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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with the

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last installment of our annual Spring into Golf season with

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the late Tony Manzoni, whom we lost in twenty eighteen

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at the age of eighty two. This conversation, recorded in

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November of twenty seventeen, was to announce a golf school

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that Tony and two of his Palm Desert colleagues created. Unfortunately,

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not long after we recorded this, Tony received his cancer

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diagnosis and we lost him a few months later. This

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episode also includes one of my all time favorite stories,

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Tony tells about Frank Sinatra, the godfather of Tony's daughter.

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We'll bring all these episodes back next spring because we

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continue to get positive emails from new and old listeners

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thanking us for sharing Tony's wisdom. Next week, we'll go

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back to where we left off of our Friday Mulligans,

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bringing back old Golf Smarter episodes that are no longer

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available on any podcast app. Tony's book, The Lost Fundamental

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One Simple Move Better Golf Forever is available on Amazon

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and is DVD which we converted to a private link.

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Online is also available for twenty dollars or for free

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for the most comprehensive information ever collected on Tony. Please

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dot com. A golf school like no other in terms

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of experience, expertise, and price. With Tony Manzoni, this.

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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Smarter podcast, Tony.

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Speaker 3: How are you, Fred?

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Speaker 1: I am doing well. It's so good to talk to

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you again. How have you been.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been just terrific. As you know, I

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retired from the college after thirty years and had a

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great run there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations on your retirement. But knowing you, that doesn't

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mean you're gonna be retiring and playing golf. You're going

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to be playing golf, but it's not part of your retirement.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not gonna stop moving because when you stop moving,

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then you see that guy with the green reaper comes

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up behind you. Now we're gonna, in fact, I mean

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involved with the two really terrific golf professionals, and the

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three of us are going to start creating a golf

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school in the desert and very excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about your golf school in the desert. First,

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tell me about the two other teachers. You're gonna be working.

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Speaker 4: With Gary Hopkins, who played the tour and also has

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been a club professional, and Davey Evans, who's an iconic

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pro here in the Desert. He was at Lake To

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Country Club for thirty years, but he also had a

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tour background.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like me. We were good enough to get

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out there, but couldn't really stay that long, you know,

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but I probably enjoyed it while we were there.

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Speaker 4: But these guys are fantastic teachers, and I consider myself

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a good one also, and I think we're going to

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be able to put, you know, really a good school,

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something really solid for people so that they go out

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and play golf and enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: So so many people put these golf schools together, and

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it's a weekend long thing that is expensive and time

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consuming and confusing. I mean, I did a weekend golf school,

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and I felt great when I walked away, and then

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when I five days later, when I went to the

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driving range, I had no idea what I was supposed

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to do. I'd forgotten all of it. And I think

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that happened.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Yeah, unfortunately. I hear that a lot, and I

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Speaker 4: What happens in some of these cases is that the

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egos get involved and they start teaching a certain way

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Speaker 3: And I've never been an advocate of that. I think

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Speaker 4: We're all so different in age and flexibility and so forth.

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person can do so that they own their own swing.

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And that's what we're going to do. We're going to

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teach people how tore properly set up to the ball,

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and that's an absolute, and where the ball should be

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in the stands, so that's an absolute. But as for

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the golf swing itself, we're going to take what the

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person has and we're going to create a golf swing

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for them. But they're actually going to they're actually going

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to create the swing. We're just going to show them

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the avenue how to get there. And I think that's

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the best way to do it. You know, my success

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with the young people at College of the Desert on

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our golf teams, we won twenty seven conference championships out

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of twenty eight. We had an incredible run. And all

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these boys came in with all different concepts and different swings,

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and you just can't say stop. Now, this is the

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only way you do it, because that's just crazy. So

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we're going to try to take that kind of attitude

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in the school so that everybody, everybody can learn and

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improve their their their their golf swing.

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Speaker 1: Sounds so interesting to have three different teachers. Now, how

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long are your your clinics?

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Speaker 4: They're going to be an hour and a half. And

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you know, no one, yeah, no one, No one's on

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the clock. So I would imagine, uh, if we're all

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having fun, it could you.

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Speaker 3: Could lead to two hours, but not no more than that,

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you know, no more than that.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you know, when you get going, and

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especially when somebody starts hitting it well, you want to

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stay with them.

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Speaker 3: And also when they're not hitting it well, you want

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to stay with them until they are hitting it. So

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but but primarily it's an hour and a half class, Tony.

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Speaker 1: I've known you for so long now, well just through

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the podcast, but we've had some interaction. I know how

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generous you are with your time. So when you say

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an hour and a half, I'm like, I know, Tony,

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it could easily.

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Speaker 4: Go yeah, and most likely will. But that's the fun

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of doing this too, you know, to take someone that

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their skills aren't honed very well and start making them

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sharper and.

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Speaker 3: See results before your eyes. That's infectious. You know, I

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don't want to run away from that. I want to

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stay there and watch.

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Speaker 1: So so I'm curious. So when somebody signs up for

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this hour and a half golf school, golf clinic, whatever

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you want, do they have a choice of like, Okay,

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I want to work with Tony or I want to

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work with Dave, or I want to work with Gary

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for that hour and a half. Is that how it's

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going to work.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's gonna the maximum in the school is going

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to be nine people, three people per per teacher. Oh

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and if they want one person over another, that's there

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is no problem.

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Speaker 3: You know, nobody has an ego about this.

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Speaker 4: But three three guys or three else with one instructor

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really works well. The intimidation factors eliminated.

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Speaker 3: And they all they all when.

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Speaker 4: They hit a poor shot, they don't feel bad because

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they're all hitting poor shots that you know, they have

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the game mishits. So it's a lot more fun than

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a one on one because that gets that that's really

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tough on the person unless they've been taking lessons and

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we think that we're going to be getting a lot

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of middle of the rotors, or even people that are

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they've been reluctant to take lessons, maybe too expensive, to

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time consuming or whatever, whatever the reason is that they

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may like this, especially when there's other people with them.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, and when you're when you're working with

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I love the idea of just three people per teacher,

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and then when you're working with two other people as well,

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and I've you know, had this happen before. It's nice

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when it's not too many people, and when you have

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the right amount, which I think three is, then you

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can learn from what the other people are doing. You

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can watch them while they're being instructed and get a

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sense of, oh, that's what he means.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like looking at it versus feeling it and then

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tying that all together.

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Speaker 4: Certainly, I've done this before and it really works well.

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And the people taking the lessons seem to be more

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into it and more relaxed about the lessons.

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Speaker 3: Where I think, not with everyone, but a lot of

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people it's a one on one.

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Speaker 4: They get a little intimidated, they get a little too

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conscious of if they hit a bad shot, you know.

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So I think it just lessens that that feeling and

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it's a good learning environment, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And to have all three teachers there so you

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can like rotate around and get tidbits from each of them.

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Have you guys worked together before? Do you know? Do

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you come implement each other's styles?

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Speaker 3: I believe so. You know, we play golf, and we

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talk about the golf swing. We're all passionate about the

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golf swing. Uh, And we discussed it.

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Speaker 4: We talk about some of the people that you know

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make it pretty complicated and so forth.

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Speaker 3: And we're not from that school for sure.

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Speaker 4: Uh and and and during these during these lessons, Uh,

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it won't be something that doesn't occur.

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Speaker 3: I might say, David, come on over here, take a

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Speaker 4: This is what we're trying to and he may have

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a different take on it. So we're going to be flexible.

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Speaker 3: In that area.

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Speaker 4: And again, this is our Our school is not going

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to be ego driven. We're only there for one reason

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to be a resource for these people to be able

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to take their golf swing and and understand what they

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can accomplish and do when.

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Speaker 3: They go out and play golf. And the bottom line

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is to have some fun playing golf.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, absolutely because it is because it is a game.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. It's a game.

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Speaker 4: And as I used to tell my player, is that

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golf does not define you as a person, you know,

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because some of them, if they had a bad round,

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you know, it look like the world had come to

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an end.

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Speaker 3: And you just have to really be realistic about the game.

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This is a mishit game.

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Speaker 4: And what we're going to try to do to teach

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you to mishit it better, uh and than you have

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in the past, so that you can stay in the game.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: That's the whole idea, is to stay in the game.

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There's just too much emphasis on distance and all that,

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and not enough efforts on how to manage yourself, how

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to get the how to how to play your c

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game like Tiger used to talk about it and.

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Speaker 3: Still come up with a decent score.

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Speaker 1: M golf smarter. Yes, where are you going to be

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holding the clinics throughout the desert or in a specific location?

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Speaker 4: No, we're going to be at a specific location. Indian

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Springs Golf Club in Lakita really really pristine golf course

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with the emphasis on thinking it's not a real long

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golf course, so it's fun for everybody. Real nice driving range,

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a wonderful bar, restaurant and so forth, and really terrific.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is it's a beautiful site. It really is.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I've been to lakina. I have a friend who

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has a house down there, and I've played a couple

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of the different career. He's a member of the Palms.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the Palms. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he lives at PGA West. He has a house

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down there and is a member of the Palms, which

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we did an episode on the Palms a long time

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ago with their general manager. That's and so the weather

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is always great, especially now that winter is coming up.

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down here. So Lakinta, if you're not familiar, is in

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the Palm Springs area in southern California. You're out in

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the desert. So even though it's winter, don't think that

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it's still desert weather because it gets cold at night

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in the desert. But it's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it can get but in the daytime, is

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it's just heaven.

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Speaker 3: I mean you walk outside, say, Holy mackerel.

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Speaker 4: The weather is so beautiful, it really is. Don't be

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here in the summer. In fact, I'm thinking about moving

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to cord Alane. If anybody knows anybody that has a

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nice little place they want to sell, I'm interested.

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Speaker 1: Contact me. Click on the Hayfred button at golf swater

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dot com and we'll get in touch with Tony.

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Speaker 4: I got to get out of yeah, I got to

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get out of here. In summertime, it's just a little

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too it's too hot. I can't balls and do that.

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So but winter, there's no finer place, no finer weather.

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I don't think anywhere in the planet.

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Speaker 1: Actually fall winter spring. I mean absolutely, It's spectacular and

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what a great destination for golfers. A great destination for golfers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got over one hundred golf courses. Man.

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Speaker 4: I think people that if they ever have a chance

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to come out and they play this little golf course

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Springs are going to want to play it again. It's

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a good test.

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Speaker 1: So I have to imagine that if you have just

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knowing that it's anywhere from one hundred to one hundred

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and fifty dollars an hour for a golf teacher, and

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the fact that you and Dave and Gary are all

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PGA professionals, You all have tour experience, you all have

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decades of teaching experience. An hour and a half for

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the three of you, how do I say this gently?

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It's probably not inexpensive. That's the way to do it. Inexpensive,

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is it? Do you have any sense?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, are you saying that we're not going

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to make a lot of money?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying you're going to probably charge a lot

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of money.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: No, the seventy five dollars is what it's going to

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be per person. Yeah, seventy five dollars.

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Speaker 1: And per teacher per the hour and a half.

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Speaker 4: Each person taking the lessons in the in the group

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is going to be seventy five dollars.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you have nine people in this clinic for

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an hour and a half with three teachers, and the

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whole cost is seventy five dollars.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, sign us let's get signed up. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we're not you know this is We're not

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looking for a home run at this time of our life.

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Speaker 3: We love teaching the game, we know how to teach.

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Speaker 4: The game, and we want to be paid a little

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bit for our time. But we're both we're all sensitive

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about the fact that golf has been maybe pricing itself out.

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Speaker 3: Out of the industry.

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of the reason that, especially in

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some of these areas, resort areas, that a lot of

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people can't afford to play or can't afford to take

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a golf lesson. So we're going to try to do

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something for.

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Speaker 3: The common man. Okay, let's put it that way, and

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still make a.

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Speaker 4: Little, a little walking around money, as they say, you know,

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a little walking around.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to count how you're going to

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spend and collect your money, but I'm just kind of

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blown away that you can only charge seventy five dollars

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in an area that has spectacular golf courses. You get

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an hour and a half and you still have time

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to go out and play around too, even during the winter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know, I think it's this thing.

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Speaker 4: It might morph into something where we teach them and

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then go play golf of them, and we've got the

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golf right so.

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Speaker 3: They could do that. There.

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Speaker 4: We know we have, we have no boundaries that we

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can't cross. We're going to try to We're going to

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try to make this fun and a learning experience for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is spectacular. Have you started doing this yet?

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Speaker 4: No, we're in the planning stage. We're putting brochures together,

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going to hit a lot, a lot of the hotels

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and so for sure, and then start booking. And you know,

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we're pretty confident because all three of us have pretty

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decent names in this region, and I think we'll be

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able to fill our quota pretty easily.

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt. So right as we're recording this,

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we're a week before Thanksgiving twenty seventeen, and so you're

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kind of just announcing this clinic, this, this golf school,

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golf clinic. Now, when do you anticipate starting to take

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students because people are going to want to fly out

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to visit with you.

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Speaker 3: I think a week after Thanksgiving we're going to be

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rocking and rolling. Wow, I don't see great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna we're going to We're going to be

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kicking in real quick, and we're all chomping at the

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bit to do it.

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Speaker 3: The weather's great, a sky is clear, and the golf

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balls are new. So what else can you What do

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you want more than that?

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Speaker 1: You know, well, right now. Don't you going to start

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singing to me now back to your rat pack days.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Uh listen, We're going to take a short break right back,

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and then I want to ask you more about the clinic.

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And also I'm still getting emails and requests for your

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your book and your DVD The Loss Fundamentals, So we'll

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be back right after this. Okay. Now, when we first

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started talking to each other years ago, you you had

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this book that you had put together called The Loss

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fundamental Let's talk about Uh, well, first of all, is

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the book available anymore?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're going to go the e book route.

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I sold out a couple of a couple of printings

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I sold out.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations.

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Speaker 4: I think that yeah, thank you. I think that's the

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e book would be a nice way to go.

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Speaker 3: And then I have a DVD. I'm not sure how

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long I'm going to have stock on the DVD. But

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the book is really I think it's a little treasure.

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Speaker 4: I think I had a co writer with his Paul Cervante's,

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and I think we did.

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Speaker 3: A nice job. It's not a big, arduous read. It's

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something that you can go through.

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Speaker 4: But it's a real solid book, it really is.

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Speaker 1: And what is the lass fundamental?

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Speaker 4: Well, it talks about some of the things that I

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believe Ben Hogan discovered after his accident actually, and it

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is really learning to not move the weight once you

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set to the ball, not move the weight over to

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the right foot more than you did at address, to

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play more off what we call the left side, because

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when you hit a golf ball, if you're right handed,

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you have to be the majority of your weight has

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to be against your left side as you're hitting the ball,

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just like any other sport. In the past, there's been

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a lot of what we call sliders, where people slide

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their hips back and then slide their hips through and

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that's really really a tough go.

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Speaker 3: You can do it when you're young, but after.

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Speaker 4: You get past forty or forty ish, you end up

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hitting off of your right foot and not getting through

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the ball. And that's the majority of things I see

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in the years that I've been on playing in pro

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ams and so forth, that people say, I can't shift

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my weight.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're not going to be able to shift your

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weight if you've got it stored all on your right.

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Speaker 4: Foot at the top of the swing. Unless you're you know,

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Neuiav or somebody that can. I mean, you've got to

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be young to slide over and then rotate, because you

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got to rotate to the left eventually. So Hogan, I

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think figured out a way to stay centered to the

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golf ball, turn his right side back, but stay on

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the inside of that right foot, and then rotate around

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the left foot as an axis. And that's what primarily

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it's not stacking tilt.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me.

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Speaker 4: Wrong, uh And I'm not speaking against them, by the way.

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Everybody has their own concepts, but this concept is what

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Hogan said.

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Speaker 3: He says, you're going to turn through the ball a

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little bit more level.

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Speaker 4: Now, obviously your left side has to be higher than

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your right side impact, but you're not going to tilt

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down to hit the golf ball. You're going to rotate

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through the golf ball. And I think by doing that,

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you're generating your power more from your core than from

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your arms and hands. And the sequence of motion is everything,

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and that's where most people really mess up.

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Speaker 3: They take the club back in a.

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Speaker 4: Good position, but then they throw the club from the

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top with their arms and hands, so consequently they're just

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slapping at the ball and they get zero distance and

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they don't get through the ball. What my book talks

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about is how to get to the left side. And

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it's a drag you know, it's a drag hit. In

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other words, you are being they're lagging back behind you

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as your body rotates and they release through the ball

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and you can hit the ball not only far, but

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I think you can hit it very accurately.

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Speaker 3: This way.

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Speaker 4: It kind of eliminates the side spin in the swing.

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Once the arms lead, then you're subject to what your

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hands do, and that's in my in my mind, that's

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a crapshoot.

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Speaker 3: It's you're you're gonna, You're gonna.

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Speaker 4: You can block it or you can hook it, and

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sometimes it is straight. But there's there's no real consistency

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in that because most people don't have the time to

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train their hands to be at that that exact spot.

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Speaker 3: Time and time again.

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Speaker 1: When I learned how to what I refer to as quiet,

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make my lower body quiet, quieting my lower body, because

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I did have the slide and I wasn't aware of it.

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But once I learned to do that rotation and keep

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my lower half of my body ill, my back pain

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went away.

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Speaker 3: Right well. That's that's the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of people have lower back peed

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because they worked under to hit the ball and they

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came back into what we call the sea position. Now,

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obviously when you hit the ball, your your head is

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a little bit behind the ball and your body's a

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little bit forward of the ball, but but not in

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that dramatic way that that that era of when Nicholas

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and so forth played, everybody came in that sea position

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and usually got a lower back problem. This concept gets

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you to post up in a straight line. When you

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finish your swing, your.

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Speaker 3: Left your left side is is posted up.

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Speaker 4: Like I say, a straight line, so there's no tilt back,

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and it's just easier on the body. And I really

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believe that you can hit the ball a lot harder.

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Speaker 2: Why should Why would you? Why would your body go backwards?

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When you're hitting a golf ball, You're you're going to

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use your left leg as embrace. But but you're gonna

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hit through the ball. You're going to release your whole

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right side. You're not going to stay back behind it.

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from behind it too much and they stay behind it.

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Speaker 1: How many people are shocked when you how many of

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your students are shocked when you explain to them or

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show them that they slide their hip, that they you

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know that they're not keeping still and they slide from

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left to right. Most people have.

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Speaker 4: No, No, there's no feeling of it because you know,

479
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,640
you're they're concentrating so much on turning, but as they turn,

480
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:46,559
they're swaying. Okay, and then if you sway to the right,

481
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,559
you must sway to the left, or or you never

482
00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:53,440
reach the ball and you have to show them on

483
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:56,880
film or you know, we have these our iPhones now

484
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,759
are our cameras, so you can do that. But yeah,

485
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:01,799
that's the number one thing that I see most people.

486
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:05,440
In fact, when I get a customer or a client,

487
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,279
I should say that, I say, hit.

488
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: A few balls.

489
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 4: Let me just look at your actions, so you see

490
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,519
and invariably I see that right hip go past the

491
00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:13,119
right leg.

492
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: You know, I just in my mind is a bingo.

493
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,079
Speaker 4: Because we know we know that we're going to be

494
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able to.

495
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Speaker 3: Improve that in New York.

496
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,799
Speaker 4: Second, so, and you'd be surprised how many people do

497
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,240
it when you set up to that golf ball. That

498
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,640
right hip has to be aligned on the instep of

499
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,720
your right foot, and most people when they stand to

500
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:38,200
the ball, their right hip is aligned to the outside

501
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,839
of the right foot, and when you turn your shoulders,

502
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,720
you're going to if you look down at your right foot,

503
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000
I don't care what you do. If you turn your

504
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,599
shoulders in a turning motion of the golf swing, your

505
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,039
right foot's going it's going to rock over to the

506
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:53,559
to the back part of it. You're going to see movement.

507
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,480
If you put your right hip on the instep and turn,

508
00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:59,839
you'll see that your there'll be, your foot will be,

509
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,359
it'll be just nothing will be happening. That's a real

510
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,119
big thing, and no one talks about that, and it's

511
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,799
gigantic because if your body gets out of position, I

512
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:11,279
don't care how strong you are, you're not going to

513
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,079
hit the ball anymore.

514
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 3: But if you're in the right position at the backswing

515
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,359
and at impact, you can move the ball pretty far.

516
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,039
Speaker 4: That's why a lot of these little galas can hit

517
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,279
so far, because they're in the right position. They're certainly

518
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:25,119
not as strong as men, but some of them can

519
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,279
pop it out there pretty far.

520
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so as far as the paperback book, that's no

521
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,880
longer available, But you do have a DVD available?

522
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: Correct? Yes, I have a DVD available. I probably have.

523
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 4: I'm probably down to about fifty And how much are they?

524
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,319
Speaker 3: So twenty dollars?

525
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,519
Speaker 1: Okay, so if any but you don't have a website.

526
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,160
I mean I know that people have written me going,

527
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,400
I can't find Tony anywhere on the web? Where is he?

528
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640
And is he's right here? He's at golf Smarter. If

529
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,640
you want to track him.

530
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 3: Down there you go.

531
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: So if somebody wants to buy a DVD limited edition,

532
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,759
a few left right to me, Yes, Fredigolfsmarter podcast dot com,

533
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:15,720
and or click on the Hey Fred button and I'll

534
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,640
put you in touch with Tony so you can definitely

535
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,759
pick up a DVD from him. And we'll when when

536
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:23,519
the ebook is available. We've been talking about that one

537
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:28,599
for a while, but when it's available, we'll let everybody know. Okay,

538
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,519
So there is no website right now? Is there going

539
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,720
to be a website for your clinic? Or are you

540
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,240
just doing brochures? How do people get you to sign up?

541
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,599
Speaker 3: Right now? That's a good question.

542
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: Okay, right now?

543
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: We don't you know?

544
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,519
Speaker 4: You could call it Indian Springs and they could take

545
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,000
your name and contact number. But we will have a

546
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,920
website and we're going to be coming up with a

547
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,920
pretty strong.

548
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: Name for the clinic.

549
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,519
Speaker 4: Okay uh, and we'll be to tie that all together

550
00:27:58,599 --> 00:27:59,960
and that'll be happening shortly.

551
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you know, instead of calling Indian Springs, you

552
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,640
got to look it up and everything. You're on the

553
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,319
podcast right now, I probably am your best link to Tony

554
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,880
at this point. So if you're interested in signing up

555
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,839
for his clinic, just go ahead and write to me

556
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,519
and I will forward it to Tony and put you

557
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:19,839
to in touch so that you can schedule a time

558
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,319
and know when they're going to be doing How many

559
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:23,599
times do you hope to be Are you going to

560
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,680
be doing this five days a week with this clinic

561
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,599
with you guys or.

562
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,079
Speaker 4: Off listen, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do at

563
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:31,920
a minimum of.

564
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,759
Speaker 3: Three times a week.

565
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,799
Speaker 4: Okay, probably probably not on the weekends, but but and

566
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,440
that may change, but right now it's going to be

567
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:47,640
during the weekdays. It'll be two day clinic, so or

568
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,519
one day, yeah, one day or two days.

569
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: Oh I see. So if you do two days. It's

570
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,480
one hundred and fifty dollars and you get an hour

571
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,920
and a half each day type of thing.

572
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,319
Speaker 3: That's correct. Yeah.

573
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: So if someone someone wants to take a day and

574
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,519
they say, wow, I like this, I'm going to take

575
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,720
another day, and they can do that, or they can

576
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:06,839
just take one day, they can take three days.

577
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,039
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. They can come to as

578
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,240
many clinics as they want.

579
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,599
Speaker 1: And if you don't get nine people to sign up

580
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,680
for a specific date, are you still going to be

581
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:16,359
able to do this?

582
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: Or we'll still go Unless it's two people, we wouldn't

583
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:22,119
do that. But no, I mean if we get let's

584
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,279
just say we have six or seven, No, we'll still

585
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:24,799
go forward.

586
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Before we go, Tony, I've not asked you this before.

587
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,480
You've told me your incredible history down in the desert

588
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,880
and the people you've come in contact with, the people

589
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,680
you played golf with, and how it impacted your playing

590
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,039
career because you were having so much fun with the

591
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,680
guys during the fifties and sixties down in Palm Desert,

592
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:54,920
the rat pack, right, and yep, can you share a story,

593
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,279
whether it's a I think you even mentioned Gerald Ford once, right.

594
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:04,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I met the President Ford. He in fact gave

595
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:05,319
me some books out of his library.

596
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,559
Speaker 4: Although I did not play golf with him, but I

597
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:11,400
did have a chance to meet him. I didn't realize

598
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,559
what a big guy he was really, you know, Oh yeah,

599
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:16,799
he was not a little guy. He's a pretty good

600
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,960
sized guy. I think he played football in college or something.

601
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,960
But just a wonderful gentleman. I'm just a wonderful person.

602
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: Story. Does it have to be golf related?

603
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: No, No, it has to be fun related. I mean

604
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,039
something that happened, a.

605
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: Memorable I can tell you Frank Sinatra story.

606
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,799
Speaker 4: I had met Frank Sinatra and invited to the house

607
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:44,960
on many occasions with my fiance and one day, out

608
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,759
of the blue, she blurted to Frank, Frank, you've got

609
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,839
to come over to the house and I'll we'll cook

610
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,319
your dinner. And of course my eyes rolled back to

611
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:57,799
the back of my head because she was a beautiful girl,

612
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,519
but she really couldn't boil water her Okay, so when

613
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,839
we got in the car, When we got in the car,

614
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,680
I said, that are you going to serve Frank Sinatra beans?

615
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: And Franks? What are you? Are you crazy? So I said, and.

616
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:12,359
Speaker 4: She looked at me with that pretty little face, and

617
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,839
I said, I got this handled. So I called my mother,

618
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
who was in santase and I said Mom, and I

619
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,279
didn't say Frank Sinatra. I just said, I've got some

620
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,519
really important people coming over. Can you make some homemade

621
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:27,960
ravioli's and meatballs, put them on dry ice and fly him.

622
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,160
I'll pay for it, fly it from Santa'sday to Palm Springs.

623
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:35,279
So she said, sure, no problem. So she sent all

624
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:37,640
this food over dry ice. And I had a good

625
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,640
friend of mine who was a musician, and he wanted

626
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,839
to be there when Frank Sinatra was, and he was.

627
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,720
He said, I'll help you arrange everything, cook everything. So

628
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,880
we did, and Frank shows up with Jillie Rizzo, who

629
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,160
is his good time friend, and and we sit down and.

630
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:59,279
Speaker 1: Eat and look, he said, yes, she asked him to

631
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,240
come to.

632
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had said yes when at his house when

633
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:03,359
we were having dinner.

634
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: He said yes, oh yeah, OK. Yeah, So that the

635
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,319
pressure was on me. So anyway, so we're sitting there

636
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,839
and Frank says to me, or he says.

637
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: To my fiance Mimi. He said me, me, these are

638
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,799
the best meatballs I've ever had.

639
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:19,839
Speaker 3: In my life. He said, I mean, I've eaten all

640
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,519
over the world.

641
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: You got to give me the recipe. And she started

642
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,720
to say something. I said, Frank, I had the sure ade.

643
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,599
It has to be over and I told him the

644
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,079
story that what I did, and he started howling. He couldn't.

645
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,000
He thought that was the funniest thing. He says, get

646
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,480
your mother on the phone. So I called my mother

647
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,640
and my mother's name was Nina. So I said, Mom,

648
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,200
I said, Frank Sinatra would.

649
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: Like to talk to you. She didn't get the hell

650
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,440
out of here, but I said, no, no, I'm no mom.

651
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: That's who I.

652
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: Said.

653
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: Frank Sinatra would like to talk to you. So he

654
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,079
gets on the phone. And you got to remember, at

655
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,680
our house, we had a picture of Jesus and the

656
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,039
next time we had a picture of Frank.

657
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: Okay, So so.

658
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: My mother says says, hello, mister Sinatra, and he said Nina,

659
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,920
and he says, I got to tell you something.

660
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: Those are the best meatballs I've ever had.

661
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah, and can you send me the recipe?

662
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:14,400
And my mother said to them, Frank, I'll make you

663
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,359
all the meatballs you want, but you never get my

664
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,680
recipe and he broke up. He just loved that she

665
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:23,200
denied him.

666
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay, nobody did that to Frank Sinatra. Nobody said not.

667
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:30,039
Speaker 3: He just loved her for that.

668
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,559
Speaker 4: And through the years she used to make Christmas cookies

669
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all homemade, unbelievable, and she would always send him Christmas

670
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,240
cookies every Christmas. And he was so wonderful. Whenever he

671
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,960
appeared in San Francisco or wherever my folks went, they

672
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,279
sat at the Sinaptra table right against the stage.

673
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:51,599
Speaker 3: The guy was just amazing.

674
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,559
Speaker 4: But he just when Christmas comes, he say, you think

675
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:55,839
your mom's going to send the cookies?

676
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,799
Speaker 3: This is Frank. You can just count on it. So

677
00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:59,680
that's my story. That's my one.

678
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Speaker 4: I got a lot of Frank Sinantra stories, but that's

679
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,960
one that always.

680
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,839
Speaker 3: Thrills me because the look on his facement.

681
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,799
Speaker 4: My mother says that I'll make all you want, but

682
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I'm not giving you my recipe.

683
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Speaker 3: I just love that.

684
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: All that is fabulous. Well, I am so glad you

685
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,000
said you have a lot of stories, because I'm going

686
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,239
to continue to go to call you. Erry might remind

687
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,119
me and I'm not going to give the entire story,

688
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:25,000
but I do this other I did a radio national

689
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,639
syndication in the eighties that I brought back this year

690
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,800
as a podcast called Radio Baseball Cards. And the host

691
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,360
of the show is Don Drysdale, who is a childhood

692
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,760
hero of mine as a pitcher for the Dodgers, right, Yes,

693
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:40,840
And actually Cofax and Drysdale were both heroes of mine

694
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,639
as I was growing up. So the fact that I

695
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,000
got a chance to work with Drysdale in the studio

696
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,639
was pretty incredible. Right to do this show, Yes, So

697
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,360
we were recording I think it was the last episode

698
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,440
of the season, which actually just is the last episode

699
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,519
of the podcast from twenty seventeen baseball season, and it's

700
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,119
a story of Harmon Killebrew hitting a home run during

701
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,960
the nineteen sixty five World Series, his only home run

702
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,800
that he ever hit in the sixty five World Series,

703
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:13,119
and Drysdale was the pitcher, right they gave up that

704
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,400
home run. Well, he was the picture because it was

705
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,519
Game one of the sixty five World Series, which, if

706
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:21,719
anybody knows their history about this was the day that

707
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,559
Sandy Kofax said, yeah, I'm not going to pitch in

708
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:27,800
the World Series on Game one because it's home kipor

709
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:28,679
it's the.

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Speaker 3: Jewish high right, right, I remember that, right, So.

711
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: That's Sinatra and that's so Drysdale had to pitch and

712
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,920
it was terrible for him. But while we were recording it,

713
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,400
he looks at and he goes, you're Jewish? Right, yeah,

714
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he goes, did you know Kofax was Jewish? And like

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you said about the picture on you all, I said,

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I said, Don, there's two things that most Jews in

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this country know, and that's Moses and Kofax. And it

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pretty much ends right then there.

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Speaker 3: That's about it. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a great story. Don was a I

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got to meet him here and his wife, and in fact,

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he signed a baseball that I just treasure. He was

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a wonderful guy and I was god knows what a

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picture he was too, And of course cofacts, I don't

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think anybody was ever any better than him.

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Speaker 1: Nope, nope. It was amazing. And to see him in

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the World Series this year was pretty awesome, all right, Tony,

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So that was awesome. We covered Lost Fundamental. If anybody

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wants to get a DVD, get in touch with me.

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We covered your soon to be named golf clinic area

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which is going to be seventy five dollars for an

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hour and a half with three different teachers multiple times

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a week. That's a phenomenal deal. And hopefully we'll get

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to meet Dave and Gary at some point soon, right,

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we're gonna I want to get them on the show too.

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Can we do that?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And they're terrific guys, and you will enjoy the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Tony, thanks so much for coming back on and.

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Speaker 3: Good luck listen.

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Speaker 4: The same to you, Fred, and again, it's always a

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pleasure to be on your show. I just a real

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kick in the pants for me, So let's get together soon, Okay,