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here with a college football insider, get his thoughts, get
his commentary on the Kloni Shataki situation that has been
trending on definitely the social media accounts of all fans,
donors within Penn State and the BYU football world. No
official reports have necessarily come out stating that Kolani's heading
to Penn State, just that negotiations and commentaries have have
have been emerging Penn states being very aggressive. I've heard,
and so I wanted to get some thoughts, some commentary
from a college football inside or the segments. Get it
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college football insider Matt Brown of Extra Points, Matt.
Speaker 3: How you living?
Speaker 4: You know I'm doing great. I think we're kind of
joking about this. A couple hours ago, I had a
really really RESTful, resetting Thanksgiving holiday. I was I was
getting ready to write a story about Canadian Division two
hockey for tomorrow, getting to some real inside baseball nerd stuff,
and wouldn't you know it, it seems like once again
I need to talk about what's going on in your
neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: I know, man, I know you have a lot of
sources throughout college athletics and college football, and one story
kind of resides within your geography right now and also
impacts BYU Kaloni Shaitake.
Speaker 3: Who's been named a candidate for.
Speaker 2: Multiple sources right now, that there's some ongoing maybe negotiations
for the next head coach position, the vacancy at Penn State.
What have you learned about this situation? Give us maybe
a thirty thousand foot view synopsis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you had asked me last week, I would
have said this sounds kind of ridiculous. But around you know,
late Saturday, I started getting some text text messages, and
not originally from people in Utah, but from people in
the Penn State universe, and from national people and people
in the college sports industry, you know, asking, hey, have
even following this, I want you to know this, this
is the thing that's happening. Penn State is going to
be in Utah. What do you think about this potential mix?
And then you know, along with it, seems like a
third of the rest of the internet, anyone that's not
watching the Lane Kiff and press conference is kind of
zooming in and talking about this. What I would say,
and I want to use my words carefully because I
want to be able to potentially still come back and
visit Utah sometime, is that I do not know if
Penn State will form offered this gig or if Kilanie
will take it. I don't know if this is primarily
about leverage. I don't know if this is where he
really wants to go. I know enough from all the
people going on my phone right now that I trust
that those are very real conversations. And I think the
fact that they have gotten to be very real conversations,
given the time of year where this is, and given
what's happening nationally, I think that's a big surprise and
speaks to maybe some some bigger questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you wonder right, it's like, okay, what
what would Penn State be offering? Kilanie should talk to
you as a great resume. Since twenty twenty, he's gone
eleven and one, ten and three, eight, five, five and seven,
and then he's now gone two consecutive years of eleven
and two and now eleven and one. He's in the
college or the conference championship game versus Texas Tech. What
type of dollar amount is that there's that merit on
the free market right now in the college football landscape
that we're living in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the Penn State is a top six seven
job in eight in college football, and at this point
right now, those coaches are making eight figures.
Speaker 4: Those are those are those are ten million dollars a
year games and and and that's moving up or at
least very close to that neighborhood. I don't think either
of us are are telling tales here to say like, yeah,
I don't that's not typically where b why you had
spent either either because they don't have the money or
they don't want to spend that kind of money. And
it doesn't happen very It doesn't happen very often where
a really big program comes sniffing around your coach. This
would represent a very aggressive salary change for KLAN. You
no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know that could be generational money, right comparatively speaking, Like,
I don't know how aggressive b why you would be.
You know, I've heard numbers floated around over the years, like, uh,
you know, I want to say post COVID, I want
to say, like the number that was flowed around was
like maybe three million after the two twenty twenty four extension.
I want to say it was around like four million,
four point three million, with incentives that could get up
to five million. The average Big twelve head coaching salary,
I believe is around four point nine million, and so
you know, i'd imagine Penn State could offer at least
twice as much as that. And I don't know how
competitive BYU could really get here. Although basketball, as I've
conversed with others, I'm like they Brian Santiago sent a
president for for basketball, Matt norland Er CBS Sports Reporter,
that it was a seven year, I want to say,
thirty million dollar deal and that's like an annual four
point three and it could be even more than that
after his last extension, So Kevin Young was making that amount. Uh,
what if football runs the ship at BYU, shouldn't he
he gets some sort of a percentage increased from that.
I don't know how all universities allocate funds, but doesn't
the football all head coach typically get twenty thirty, forty,
maybe fifty percent more than the college basketball coach.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's going to depend on the school,
but that's not uncommon. And what I could say is, like,
you know, if you think Kilani is a top twenty
college football coach, I don't know how you feel. I
would say that's I think that's a little conservative. I
would probably put him higher than that among sitting the
higher eight coaches. But if if that is where you
where you where you sought him in. Being paid a
little over four million dollars is substantially undermarket. Whether whether
it should be six, whether it should be eight, something
else in that range, that's about the going rate. Now
you and I both know, and I'm sure everybody listening
to this program knows that. Yeah, Historically, if you work
for BYU. Whether you're in athletics or academics, or in
development or facilities, you are generally not going to get
the high point of your market salary. The institution does
not pay top dollar for almost anything because they want
you to be there for reasons other than money. And
we can debate whether that's a good a good thing,
or a bad thing, but that's historically been in reality.
You're right starting to shift a little bit here in basketball,
and I won I could understand why anybody involved with
football would look at what's happening in basketball and potentially
be frustrated. And I think, and I don't know the
right answer to this, but if you're gonna be say
we're gonna we're gonna compete for championships, we want to
be performing at the highest level. And you've got one
team that's in the upper quartile of spending on both
coaches and honestly on payroll. Whether that money is coming
from BYU or Red Bull or you know who, you know,
the the Nancy Reagan Billboard Fund or whoever like you know,
the money is going to the basketball players. If you're
in the top quartile in men's basketball, I don't know
who you're fooling if you if you say, like, but
we're not going to be in the big money race,
if you're if you know, by spending lesson football, Like
are you winner?
Speaker 1: Are you not?
Speaker 4: And that's that's not a question I can answer. But
that's a question you need all the answer to when
your football coach, who has been very successful and wants
to be here and as an alum, is saying I've
got another offer here for a lot more money.
Speaker 2: Like how much how much smoke is there really around
this Penn State deal or offering?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, what I find interesting
is this.
Speaker 2: There's been a few that have gone on record, right,
but they're they're mostly non traditional media sources.
Speaker 3: Right, you have kind of this calshy momentum.
Speaker 2: It's a betting kind of he can bet on anything
on this website, you know. I mean, there's some momentum there, Right,
you can bet on anything. They're not tried and true, verified,
validated sources that that no one's willing to necessarily go
on record and say you know that that Colonisatak is
going to the next head coach at Penn State. They
just say that there's negotiations right, there's like but no, yeah,
even then, like no one within the college football world,
Pete Amble or Brett McMurphy yourself, right, no one's gone
out and.
Speaker 3: Said, hey, this is about to happen. So what do
we make of that?
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny. It's funny. You mentioned that as we're
talking on three put out of tweet from Brett McMurphy
and his colleagues that says that colony has emerged as
Penn State's top target, which is different from saying that
he's going to take the job. People can emerge, and
but you know, there's there's language that kind of gets
sent out from agents and everyone's kind of cribbing the
same verbs and and and that's how this stuff works.
For Penn State specifically, it's kind of a weird situation
because even though they are a huge brands, they don't
have very many full time dedicated beat writers. Right. The
athletic laid off their staffer. The state college is like
three and a half hours from both Pittsburgh or and Philadelphia,
so you you, you weirdly have a team that that's
not as exhaustively covered as some of these other things.
And if you have an ad that really wanted to
keep this search secret. I heard almost nothing about this
search and the other people they talked to before Klani
until like Saturday. It's going to be hard for people
to figure it out. Whereas if you're LSU and you're
holding press conferences with the freakin governor on statewide television
and you have a beatcore of forty people, it's harder
to move silently because everyone involved talks a little bit more.
And that's not really how things work at Penn State,
for good or for ill, certainly not how things work
around here. What I would feel most, what I, you know,
kind of shared yesterday with feel comfortable saying on the
air in this market and writing now, is I know
that those conversations are legitimate enough to talk about and
that they're not just message board fodder or you know,
ute fantasy or anything that's real. Well, will that be
how it ends? I don't know, because people take this
job and take other jobs for different reasons. I'll say this,
I don't think b one you needs to offfer ten
million dollars a year to keep it. But how how
close they're willing to go on control or length of
contract or revenue sharing or other things. Well, I guess
we're gonna find out in a couple of hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh if I'm killani right, the first thing
I'm probably doing, Like the the dollar amount isn't as
pivotal as probably the tenure or long term, long term
investment from BYU as an institution.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So you know you come to them and you say,
I want a ten year deal. Well, we don't do
ten year deals. We can do a five year deal. Well,
they're offering me this amount, like they're watching offering me.
Let's say, uh, let's say it's equivalent to what James
Frank was making. Eight point five million. Maybe it's nine million,
maybe it's ten million, right, whatever, that looks like. You
have that on the table, you have that as a
bargaining chip. You're like, look like, this is what they're
off me. I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking
for investment long term. If you give me five years
and you come up to six point five million, does
that do it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna go back and forth here, and you
wonder how much how much they're gonna meet in the
middle here, because I don't think b YU will ever
be the top team to bid on a coach. But
like they've said, I think unofficially many sources in the
NIL world, they're not going to be the highest bidder,
but they're going to be competitive, right, is what they've said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I I'm trying to think of the
best way I could I could talk about this so
that not sounding horribly biased or angry or anything, but
but you're you're kind of falling down, going down a
difficult road. If your north star is we don't want
to be the bit or, but we want to be competitive,
because that's pretty nebulous. Is competitive in this case? Six
seven eight? To your point, how much how much leeway
are you willing to give for length of contract? One
nice thing about BYU if you're a coach is historically
they are way less trigger happy than comparable programs. And
I think part of that stems to this is not
an institution that ever wants to pay a gigantic buyout.
And also because there's just not that many people who
are eligible to work at b YU. Right, like you
and I have talked about this, we can we can
count all of the sitting division the FBS head coaches
who are lds on one hand, and we can count
all of the potential hypothetical candidates for this job on
two hands. If you don't have that many backup plans,
you're you're not going to be itchy with a trigger finger.
But I could also understand why somebody would want a
longer deal if the other people in the market are
willing to give them one. I don't want to sit
here and say, like BYU is the hypocritical or screwing
up if they if they if they don't go higher
than seven or anything else. I don't know what the
top line is for what they could conceivably pay. I
just know that, like what they're getting right now, production wise,
is far exceeds what they are currently paying.
Speaker 2: In this report from On three, their stating sources have
told ON three that the Navy Alliance have made it clear,
made it clerics to talking that they will offer a
lucrative salary pool, including defensive Coordinator J.
Speaker 3: Hill.
Speaker 2: The Cougars are fifty six and nineteen that that record
since twenty twenty that ranks as the seventh best mark
among FBS programs, behind only Georgia, Ohio, State, Alabama, Oregon,
Notre Dame in Michigan. So it sounds like they're upping
the empty to attract j Hill, right. So that would
be intriguing to me because you know, many are saying, well,
Jay's the the the assistant head coach, He's the head
coach in waiting.
Speaker 3: If Klonie were to take it talents to Penn.
Speaker 2: State, Kalani would may be willing to say, look, I'll
take you know, eight million, but I need you to
make j Hill the highest paid defensive coordinator and assistant coach
in college football.
Speaker 3: Penn State's done that in the past, haven't they.
Speaker 4: Matt Browns literally this year they did that with Jim
Knowles when they hired him away from Ohio State to
be their defensive coordinator. And uh, Penn State defense was
terrible this year, and and and and and that happens.
Like when you have the big ten TV money and
you have the fan base that Penn State has, it's
it is an enormous institution. They have a gajillion alumni,
and they have some a couple of boosters who like,
are you know you are as mega wealthy as anything
that b YU has. Yeah, you can afford to do that.
I think that would be the absolute worst case scenario
for BYU to not only lose the second best coach
in school history and a admirable like Avatar and advocate
for your faith and institution, to lose him to a
bigger job that hurts to lose the obvious backup candidate
as somebody who has a high level coaching experience that
has done such a good job. I think that would
be a catastrophe, not just because the timing, because DYU
still controls their own destiny for playing in the college
football playoffs and potentially winning a national title. It's unlikely
they're not eliminated yet, so that the timing for that
is I think catastrophic. And then I think the pool
of potential candidates you have beyond Hill are unless you
get bronkomend and how to come back, are simply not
at the level of experience that you'd want for a
upper level Big twelve job. I don't think this is
a gig where you can bring in somebody who hasn't
been a high level coordinator for a long time, or
somebody who's only recently become a position coach, and then
hope that you can build a really good staff around them.
I think the complexity of college football has moved on
so much that it would be very, very risky to
promote a position coach, or to grab a high school coach,
or to grab somebody who isn't from this world. And
losing both of these guys I think would put THEYU
in a very difficult position.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that would be worst case scenario.
Speaker 2: A lot of people feel like, well, if Kloni leaves,
Jay's most definitely the guy, but Penn State is over here, like,
not so fast. You know, we're bringing that entire staff
with us that's been winning high level football games in
high level places over the last six years.
Speaker 4: I've joked about this, but I think it would be
important for the long term health of DAU athletics for
there to be a very targeted missionary campaign tied to
NACTA or tied to a FCA or something. It's it's
time to start baptizing some more coaches and get them
into this pipeline because there's not there's there's just not
enough people right like, and it's kind of an issue
for basketb all too. You know, you've got you've got
to They hopefully for their sake, they won't have to
make any changes for a long time. But between the
NBA and the current college, the current college ranks, there's
just not that many people. And sometimes that works out
because you don't need there to be a lot of
people if you get the right person. But if there's
only six possible people who can do the job, and
four of them are gonna need a lot of coaching up,
and the job has now become more expensive and more
difficult and more more high profile, brother, you better nail it.
And if you've nailed it, brother, you better keep that
guy because they end up having a lot of leverage.
I I I do not know whether whether this happens.
I do not know which assistants go. I'd be I
would be shocked if they took everybody because Penn State
historically has really needed to build high school relationships in
the metropolitan DC area, metropolitan Philadelphia, all along Virginia and
and you're going to want some people to have ties
to those regions besides just the Utah centric staff. But
they have the money to bring whoever wherever they want.
If money is the issue here.
Speaker 2: Matt Brown, Ladies and gentlemen love chatting with you, Matt,
when do you think we hear maybe an official word
on this? Do you think this is extended past these
conference championship games before we hear anything official?
Speaker 4: I honestly, I would be pretty surprised if we're still
talking about this and hypotheticals by the end of the
day tomorrow. The longer the longer it drags out without
anything official, the more likely I would think that that
that he stays. It would be untenable to have this
kind of hypothetic, hypothetical stuff over anybody's head coming into
a conference championship game. That's not It's not good for anybody.
This is happening now. The worst, like the best time
for this to end is like now. The next best
time is as close to now as possible for both
for both teams.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Matt always appreciated our time to get their best
to support you what you do, how you do it.
Speaker 3: For all of our listeners.
Speaker 4: You can find my work at extra Points mb dot com.
Normally it's about off the field stuff in the college
sports industry, whether that's concession stand revenue, conference re alignment,
television deals, administrative changes, policy, all that stuff. I imagine I'll
end up writing about the coaching carousel in the next
thirty six hours.
Speaker 2: Love it, Matt. Always appreciate our time together to all
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things in college athletics and college football.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Matt, been my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll talk again about happier things, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, hopefully there's some good news at
the end of this week.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, be well, my friend. I'll talk to
you soon.
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