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here with a college football insider, get his thoughts, get

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his commentary on the Kloni Shataki situation that has been

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trending on definitely the social media accounts of all fans,

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donors within Penn State and the BYU football world. No

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official reports have necessarily come out stating that Kolani's heading

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to Penn State, just that negotiations and commentaries have have

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have been emerging Penn states being very aggressive. I've heard,

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and so I wanted to get some thoughts, some commentary

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from a college football inside or the segments. Get it

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college football insider Matt Brown of Extra Points, Matt.

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Speaker 3: How you living?

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Speaker 4: You know I'm doing great. I think we're kind of

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joking about this. A couple hours ago, I had a

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really really RESTful, resetting Thanksgiving holiday. I was I was

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getting ready to write a story about Canadian Division two

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hockey for tomorrow, getting to some real inside baseball nerd stuff,

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and wouldn't you know it, it seems like once again

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I need to talk about what's going on in your

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neck of the woods.

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Speaker 2: I know, man, I know you have a lot of

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sources throughout college athletics and college football, and one story

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kind of resides within your geography right now and also

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impacts BYU Kaloni Shaitake.

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Speaker 3: Who's been named a candidate for.

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Speaker 2: Multiple sources right now, that there's some ongoing maybe negotiations

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for the next head coach position, the vacancy at Penn State.

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What have you learned about this situation? Give us maybe

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a thirty thousand foot view synopsis.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you had asked me last week, I would

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have said this sounds kind of ridiculous. But around you know,

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late Saturday, I started getting some text text messages, and

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not originally from people in Utah, but from people in

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the Penn State universe, and from national people and people

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in the college sports industry, you know, asking, hey, have

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even following this, I want you to know this, this

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is the thing that's happening. Penn State is going to

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be in Utah. What do you think about this potential mix?

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And then you know, along with it, seems like a

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third of the rest of the internet, anyone that's not

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watching the Lane Kiff and press conference is kind of

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zooming in and talking about this. What I would say,

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and I want to use my words carefully because I

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want to be able to potentially still come back and

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visit Utah sometime, is that I do not know if

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Penn State will form offered this gig or if Kilanie

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will take it. I don't know if this is primarily

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about leverage. I don't know if this is where he

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really wants to go. I know enough from all the

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people going on my phone right now that I trust

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that those are very real conversations. And I think the

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fact that they have gotten to be very real conversations,

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given the time of year where this is, and given

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what's happening nationally, I think that's a big surprise and

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speaks to maybe some some bigger questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you wonder right, it's like, okay, what

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what would Penn State be offering? Kilanie should talk to

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you as a great resume. Since twenty twenty, he's gone

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eleven and one, ten and three, eight, five, five and seven,

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and then he's now gone two consecutive years of eleven

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and two and now eleven and one. He's in the

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college or the conference championship game versus Texas Tech. What

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type of dollar amount is that there's that merit on

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the free market right now in the college football landscape

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that we're living in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the Penn State is a top six seven

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job in eight in college football, and at this point

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right now, those coaches are making eight figures.

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Speaker 4: Those are those are those are ten million dollars a

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year games and and and that's moving up or at

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least very close to that neighborhood. I don't think either

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of us are are telling tales here to say like, yeah,

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spent either either because they don't have the money or

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it doesn't happen very It doesn't happen very often where

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a really big program comes sniffing around your coach. This

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would represent a very aggressive salary change for KLAN. You

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no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know that could be generational money, right comparatively speaking, Like,

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to say, like the number that was flowed around was

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like maybe three million after the two twenty twenty four extension.

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I want to say it was around like four million,

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four point three million, with incentives that could get up

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to five million. The average Big twelve head coaching salary,

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twice as much as that. And I don't know how

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competitive BYU could really get here. Although basketball, as I've

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conversed with others, I'm like they Brian Santiago sent a

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president for for basketball, Matt norland Er CBS Sports Reporter,

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that it was a seven year, I want to say,

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thirty million dollar deal and that's like an annual four

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point three and it could be even more than that

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after his last extension, So Kevin Young was making that amount. Uh,

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what if football runs the ship at BYU, shouldn't he

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he gets some sort of a percentage increased from that.

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the football all head coach typically get twenty thirty, forty,

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maybe fifty percent more than the college basketball coach.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's going to depend on the school,

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but that's not uncommon. And what I could say is, like,

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college football coach, I don't know how you feel. I

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would say that's I think that's a little conservative. I

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would probably put him higher than that among sitting the

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higher eight coaches. But if if that is where you

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where you where you sought him in. Being paid a

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little over four million dollars is substantially undermarket. Whether whether

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to this program knows that. Yeah, Historically, if you work

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for BYU. Whether you're in athletics or academics, or in

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development or facilities, you are generally not going to get

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the high point of your market salary. The institution does

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not pay top dollar for almost anything because they want

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you to be there for reasons other than money. And

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we can debate whether that's a good a good thing,

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or a bad thing, but that's historically been in reality.

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and I won I could understand why anybody involved with

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football would look at what's happening in basketball and potentially

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be frustrated. And I think, and I don't know the

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right answer to this, but if you're gonna be say

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we're gonna we're gonna compete for championships, we want to

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be performing at the highest level. And you've got one

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team that's in the upper quartile of spending on both

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coaches and honestly on payroll. Whether that money is coming

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from BYU or Red Bull or you know who, you know,

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the the Nancy Reagan Billboard Fund or whoever like you know,

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the money is going to the basketball players. If you're

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in the top quartile in men's basketball, I don't know

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who you're fooling if you if you say, like, but

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we're not going to be in the big money race,

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if you're if you know, by spending lesson football, Like

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are you winner?

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Speaker 1: Are you not?

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Speaker 4: And that's that's not a question I can answer. But

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that's a question you need all the answer to when

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your football coach, who has been very successful and wants

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to be here and as an alum, is saying I've

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got another offer here for a lot more money.

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Speaker 2: Like how much how much smoke is there really around

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this Penn State deal or offering?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, what I find interesting

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Speaker 2: There's been a few that have gone on record, right,

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but they're they're mostly non traditional media sources.

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Speaker 3: Right, you have kind of this calshy momentum.

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Speaker 2: It's a betting kind of he can bet on anything

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on this website, you know. I mean, there's some momentum there, Right,

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you can bet on anything. They're not tried and true, verified,

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validated sources that that no one's willing to necessarily go

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on record and say you know that that Colonisatak is

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going to the next head coach at Penn State. They

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just say that there's negotiations right, there's like but no, yeah,

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even then, like no one within the college football world,

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Pete Amble or Brett McMurphy yourself, right, no one's gone

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Speaker 3: Said, hey, this is about to happen. So what do

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we make of that?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny. It's funny. You mentioned that as we're

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talking on three put out of tweet from Brett McMurphy

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and his colleagues that says that colony has emerged as

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Penn State's top target, which is different from saying that

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he's going to take the job. People can emerge, and

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but you know, there's there's language that kind of gets

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sent out from agents and everyone's kind of cribbing the

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same verbs and and and that's how this stuff works.

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because even though they are a huge brands, they don't

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have very many full time dedicated beat writers. Right. The

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athletic laid off their staffer. The state college is like

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three and a half hours from both Pittsburgh or and Philadelphia,

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so you you, you weirdly have a team that that's

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not as exhaustively covered as some of these other things.

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And if you have an ad that really wanted to

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keep this search secret. I heard almost nothing about this

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search and the other people they talked to before Klani

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until like Saturday. It's going to be hard for people

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to figure it out. Whereas if you're LSU and you're

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holding press conferences with the freakin governor on statewide television

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and you have a beatcore of forty people, it's harder

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to move silently because everyone involved talks a little bit more.

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And that's not really how things work at Penn State,

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for good or for ill, certainly not how things work

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around here. What I would feel most, what I, you know,

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kind of shared yesterday with feel comfortable saying on the

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air in this market and writing now, is I know

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that those conversations are legitimate enough to talk about and

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that they're not just message board fodder or you know,

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ute fantasy or anything that's real. Well, will that be

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how it ends? I don't know, because people take this

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job and take other jobs for different reasons. I'll say this,

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I don't think b one you needs to offfer ten

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million dollars a year to keep it. But how how

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close they're willing to go on control or length of

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contract or revenue sharing or other things. Well, I guess

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we're gonna find out in a couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh if I'm killani right, the first thing

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I'm probably doing, Like the the dollar amount isn't as

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pivotal as probably the tenure or long term, long term

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investment from BYU as an institution.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So you know you come to them and you say,

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I want a ten year deal. Well, we don't do

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ten year deals. We can do a five year deal. Well,

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they're offering me this amount, like they're watching offering me.

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Let's say, uh, let's say it's equivalent to what James

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maybe it's ten million, right, whatever, that looks like. You

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have that on the table, you have that as a

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bargaining chip. You're like, look like, this is what they're

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off me. I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking

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for investment long term. If you give me five years

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and you come up to six point five million, does

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that do it?

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Speaker 2: Like they're gonna go back and forth here, and you

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wonder how much how much they're gonna meet in the

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middle here, because I don't think b YU will ever

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be the top team to bid on a coach. But

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like they've said, I think unofficially many sources in the

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NIL world, they're not going to be the highest bidder,

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but they're going to be competitive, right, is what they've said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I I'm trying to think of the

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best way I could I could talk about this so

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that not sounding horribly biased or angry or anything, but

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but you're you're kind of falling down, going down a

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difficult road. If your north star is we don't want

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to be the bit or, but we want to be competitive,

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because that's pretty nebulous. Is competitive in this case? Six

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seven eight? To your point, how much how much leeway

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are you willing to give for length of contract? One

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nice thing about BYU if you're a coach is historically

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they are way less trigger happy than comparable programs. And

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an institution that ever wants to pay a gigantic buyout.

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And also because there's just not that many people who

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are eligible to work at b YU. Right, like you

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and I have talked about this, we can we can

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count all of the sitting division the FBS head coaches

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who are lds on one hand, and we can count

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all of the potential hypothetical candidates for this job on

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two hands. If you don't have that many backup plans,

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you're you're not going to be itchy with a trigger finger.

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But I could also understand why somebody would want a

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longer deal if the other people in the market are

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willing to give them one. I don't want to sit

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here and say, like BYU is the hypocritical or screwing

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up if they if they if they don't go higher

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than seven or anything else. I don't know what the

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top line is for what they could conceivably pay. I

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just know that, like what they're getting right now, production wise,

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is far exceeds what they are currently paying.

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Speaker 2: In this report from On three, their stating sources have

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told ON three that the Navy Alliance have made it clear,

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made it clerics to talking that they will offer a

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lucrative salary pool, including defensive Coordinator J.

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Speaker 3: Hill.

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Speaker 2: The Cougars are fifty six and nineteen that that record

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since twenty twenty that ranks as the seventh best mark

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among FBS programs, behind only Georgia, Ohio, State, Alabama, Oregon,

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Notre Dame in Michigan. So it sounds like they're upping

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the empty to attract j Hill, right. So that would

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be intriguing to me because you know, many are saying, well,

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Jay's the the the assistant head coach, He's the head

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coach in waiting.

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Speaker 3: If Klonie were to take it talents to Penn.

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Speaker 2: State, Kalani would may be willing to say, look, I'll

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take you know, eight million, but I need you to

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make j Hill the highest paid defensive coordinator and assistant coach

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in college football.

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Speaker 3: Penn State's done that in the past, haven't they.

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Speaker 4: Matt Browns literally this year they did that with Jim

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Knowles when they hired him away from Ohio State to

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be their defensive coordinator. And uh, Penn State defense was

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terrible this year, and and and and and that happens.

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Like when you have the big ten TV money and

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you have the fan base that Penn State has, it's

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it is an enormous institution. They have a gajillion alumni,

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and they have some a couple of boosters who like,

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are you know you are as mega wealthy as anything

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that b YU has. Yeah, you can afford to do that.

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I think that would be the absolute worst case scenario

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for BYU to not only lose the second best coach

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in school history and a admirable like Avatar and advocate

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for your faith and institution, to lose him to a

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bigger job that hurts to lose the obvious backup candidate

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as somebody who has a high level coaching experience that

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has done such a good job. I think that would

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be a catastrophe, not just because the timing, because DYU

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still controls their own destiny for playing in the college

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football playoffs and potentially winning a national title. It's unlikely

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they're not eliminated yet, so that the timing for that

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is I think catastrophic. And then I think the pool

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of potential candidates you have beyond Hill are unless you

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get bronkomend and how to come back, are simply not

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at the level of experience that you'd want for a

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upper level Big twelve job. I don't think this is

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a gig where you can bring in somebody who hasn't

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been a high level coordinator for a long time, or

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somebody who's only recently become a position coach, and then

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hope that you can build a really good staff around them.

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I think the complexity of college football has moved on

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so much that it would be very, very risky to

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promote a position coach, or to grab a high school coach,

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or to grab somebody who isn't from this world. And

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losing both of these guys I think would put THEYU

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in a very difficult position.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that would be worst case scenario.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people feel like, well, if Kloni leaves,

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Jay's most definitely the guy, but Penn State is over here, like,

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not so fast. You know, we're bringing that entire staff

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with us that's been winning high level football games in

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high level places over the last six years.

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Speaker 4: I've joked about this, but I think it would be

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important for the long term health of DAU athletics for

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there to be a very targeted missionary campaign tied to

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NACTA or tied to a FCA or something. It's it's

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time to start baptizing some more coaches and get them

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into this pipeline because there's not there's there's just not

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enough people right like, and it's kind of an issue

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for basketb all too. You know, you've got you've got

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to They hopefully for their sake, they won't have to

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make any changes for a long time. But between the

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NBA and the current college, the current college ranks, there's

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just not that many people. And sometimes that works out

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because you don't need there to be a lot of

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people if you get the right person. But if there's

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only six possible people who can do the job, and

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four of them are gonna need a lot of coaching up,

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and the job has now become more expensive and more

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difficult and more more high profile, brother, you better nail it.

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And if you've nailed it, brother, you better keep that

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guy because they end up having a lot of leverage.

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I I I do not know whether whether this happens.

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I do not know which assistants go. I'd be I

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would be shocked if they took everybody because Penn State

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historically has really needed to build high school relationships in

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the metropolitan DC area, metropolitan Philadelphia, all along Virginia and

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and you're going to want some people to have ties

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to those regions besides just the Utah centric staff. But

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they have the money to bring whoever wherever they want.

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If money is the issue here.

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Speaker 2: Matt Brown, Ladies and gentlemen love chatting with you, Matt,

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when do you think we hear maybe an official word

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on this? Do you think this is extended past these

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conference championship games before we hear anything official?

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Speaker 4: I honestly, I would be pretty surprised if we're still

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talking about this and hypotheticals by the end of the

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day tomorrow. The longer the longer it drags out without

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anything official, the more likely I would think that that

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that he stays. It would be untenable to have this

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kind of hypothetic, hypothetical stuff over anybody's head coming into

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a conference championship game. That's not It's not good for anybody.

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This is happening now. The worst, like the best time

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for this to end is like now. The next best

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time is as close to now as possible for both

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for both teams.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Matt always appreciated our time to get their best

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to support you what you do, how you do it.

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Speaker 3: For all of our listeners.

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Speaker 4: You can find my work at extra Points mb dot com.

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Normally it's about off the field stuff in the college

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sports industry, whether that's concession stand revenue, conference re alignment,

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television deals, administrative changes, policy, all that stuff. I imagine I'll

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end up writing about the coaching carousel in the next

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thirty six hours.

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Speaker 2: Love it, Matt. Always appreciate our time together to all

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Matt, been my pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll talk again about happier things, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, hopefully there's some good news at

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the end of this week.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm hoping for.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, be well, my friend. I'll talk to

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you soon.

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