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<v Speaker 1>Ladies, gentlemen, theyse and them's. Welcome to Halloween Week with

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacko and for the second annual Halloween Week, I am

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<v Speaker 1>pleased to be your master of ceremonies. For the next

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<v Speaker 1>seven days, we will be taking you through wicked tales

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<v Speaker 1>and grim stories, from the paranormal to the murderous events.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting with this evening, we will be discussing Jamie Oh Sooner,

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<v Speaker 1>the man with a foul faces. Jamie's a man of evil,

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<v Speaker 1>beyond belief, with no remorse for his actions, numb to

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<v Speaker 1>the bone. However, that is more for our host to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss with you, so I shall pass you over to

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<v Speaker 1>them to give you more of those details. So, without

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<v Speaker 1>further Ado introducing the hosts of Wicked and Grim, Ben

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicole.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you Jacko. My name's Ben and I'm Nicole. And

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<v Speaker 3>you're listening to Wicked and Grim Halloween Week, a true

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<v Speaker 3>crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go or true crime podcast Halloween Week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time, finally, the preparation, the suspense, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Boom are ye official. It is finally here. It is

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<v Speaker 3>so exciting. I just can hardly contain myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the excitement and freaking Jacko, Jacko jack That was

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<v Speaker 2>one hell of an intro.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's wondrous to be back freaking Jacko, the Man, the myth,

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<v Speaker 4>the legend. Oh shit, yeah yeah, Okay, we've been planning

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<v Speaker 4>for months and weeks and we've been talking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>So much is happening with Halloween Week. If you don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what Halloween Week is, Nicole tell them all about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is our second annual, so if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what Halloween Week is, you can go listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the first annual. Then you get like two which is

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<v Speaker 3>super cool in seven days of episodes, seven days, seven

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<v Speaker 3>days of episodes. So it goes start today and it

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<v Speaker 3>ends on Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep So instead of us dropping one episode a week

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<v Speaker 2>for the next seven days, you get an episode every

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<v Speaker 2>single day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, it's pretty much the coolest thing in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only that, we're dropping some other cool stuff too.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah, like it's grown a little bit from last year.

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest, I think, oh yeah, definitely, here will

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<v Speaker 3>probably grow a little bit just because we're extra, just

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit, just a little extra.

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<v Speaker 2>So for example, today, as this episode drops, we are

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<v Speaker 2>also dropping two new merch items over in our Red Bubble.

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<v Speaker 4>Store, drawn by Ben himself, myself and fun fact.

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<v Speaker 2>This contains It's very exciting a Jacko merch. Yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>first ever merch available to everyone. We had one other

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<v Speaker 2>Jacko line that was available for our patrons the very

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<v Speaker 2>first week it opened up. That was it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one week and it was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Gone, never to be released again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we have a legit Jacko that anyone can buy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>So go check that out if you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>Jacko on a T shirt or a coffee mug or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Socks, you know, I always the socks are always what

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<v Speaker 3>comes to my mind. I'm obsessed with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this design will be applicable to socks,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a little bit too detailed.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but we should put that hint if you're getting

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<v Speaker 3>a T shirt. So Ben and I we pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>live in our merch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we just do.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I wearing one right now? No? I'm not. Actually

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<v Speaker 3>that's weird. You have to get the T shirt? What

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<v Speaker 3>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>The try try Blend. The Try Blend T shirt on

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<v Speaker 2>Red Bubble is highly recommended by us. It Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>we no other merch from any sort of that is it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So that's our recommendation.

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<v Speaker 2>So are you looking for her forward to Halloween week?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I have been looking forward to Hellowe a week for

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<v Speaker 3>like the last month.

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<v Speaker 2>I know our patrons are looking forward to Halloween week.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of patrons, we have some patrons to thank

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<v Speaker 2>for signing up this past week. So we have Kristin Blood,

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<v Speaker 2>which is ideal for Halloween week. Yeah, Will Wolski, Kevin Walker,

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Porsche. I really hope I said that right, and

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<v Speaker 2>Alyssa Selberg amazing. Thank you so much for joining us

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<v Speaker 2>over our Patreon. If you want to join, feel free

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<v Speaker 2>to join. Link is down below. If not, you can

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and just chill with us on a regular

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<v Speaker 3>And speaking of chilling, we're gonna also be doing two

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<v Speaker 3>lives this Halloween week. So we're doing one on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're gonna be carving pumpkins which will then turn

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<v Speaker 3>into a pumpkin carving contest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, so stay tuned for that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we're also going to be going live just

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<v Speaker 3>for a little chill maybe Q and a hangout on Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a Halloween and Chill. Yeah, there we go

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<v Speaker 2>non adult rated version because the Netflix and Chill. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get anyone confused with that. There.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I didn't go there, but in.

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<v Speaker 2>Case someone did, so, yeah, it's here. I'm stoked. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you ready to dive into the very first episode of Halloween?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we should just do it. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as Jacko eluded, this is about Jamie Osuna. Now

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<v Speaker 2>this guy. We've covered some murderers before, We've covered some psychopaths,

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<v Speaker 2>We've covered some seriously deranged individual.

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<v Speaker 3>Some nasty mofos.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy chilled me to the bone seriously during my research,

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<v Speaker 2>probably the most out of any individual we've covered.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, this has me very alarmed.

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<v Speaker 2>So quite fitting to start off because the.

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<v Speaker 3>Name honestly does not ring a bell. I have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea who this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you're about to find out. So to start off,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start off from a quote from his

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<v Speaker 2>ex wife. Okay, in an interview with a new source,

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<v Speaker 2>she quoted off quote, very few people are born evil.

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<v Speaker 2>It's rare. I believe it's nurture over nature.

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<v Speaker 3>With Jamie, Well, I mean, the ex wife is probably

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<v Speaker 3>not going to say the best about you. But uh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's deep. Actually it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very concerning. Yeah, Now I'm not too sure if

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with her. However, she probably knows a lot

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<v Speaker 2>better than me spending time with him, being married to him.

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<v Speaker 2>So just throwing that out there, I'm not too sure

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<v Speaker 2>I agree that he was necessarily not born evil. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you very much could have been. Because she's saying,

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<v Speaker 3>Up, it's the upbringing a lot, it was nurtured, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it makes you evil.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was more nature in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, but this is where you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys get to make your own call. So listen up,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what you guys think. Let's dive

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<v Speaker 2>into Jamie O sooner shall we do? Okay? So? Jamie

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<v Speaker 2>Osuna was born March seventh, nineteen eighty eight, same age

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<v Speaker 2>as us. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, well that's a good birth the year,

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<v Speaker 3>but uh, carry on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was only one month older than me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so just young. It's a young pop.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in Baker's feat Kern County in California, USA,

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<v Speaker 2>which is approximately one hundred miles north of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>So a little bit of a geography location there for

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<v Speaker 2>you to picture. He was born into an underprivileged, mixed

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<v Speaker 2>ethnic Christian family. Now, on the surface level, we can

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<v Speaker 2>predict that Jamie could probably be born into a loving

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<v Speaker 2>family after all, like they're one of religious faith, which

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<v Speaker 2>you know, preaches love, forgiveness and that sort of stuff. Right. However,

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<v Speaker 2>these assumptions would be very wrong. Jamie's mother went by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Michelle, and her presence in his life

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<v Speaker 2>was rather minimal. Jamie's father, however, was never there at all.

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<v Speaker 2>When and why he left is a little unclear, but

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<v Speaker 2>we do know he wasn't in Jamie's life from a

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<v Speaker 2>very early age. That's said it is. Jamie did, however,

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<v Speaker 2>have a stepfather, which is good, a man by the

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<v Speaker 2>name of Jeff, though Jamie probably would have been much

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<v Speaker 2>better off without a father figure at all.

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<v Speaker 3>In my bay, so we don't like Jeff. We do

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<v Speaker 3>not like Jeff as a douche cano.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff is a major douche Canoe could call him that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well done. So Jeff and no other male figures in

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie's life for that matter, did not treat Jamie with

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of kindness or love. He would often be

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<v Speaker 2>subject to harsh and brutal behaviors.

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<v Speaker 3>That sucks. You need you need at least like some

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<v Speaker 3>authority in your life that you can look up to

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<v Speaker 3>and learn from and adapt their habits in a sense,

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<v Speaker 3>and decide what you like and not like, and then

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<v Speaker 3>decide what you're going to carry on.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, Jamie did not have that. That's sad, which

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<v Speaker 2>kind of leans in the direction of why his ex

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<v Speaker 2>wife was saying nurture over nature right now. Among the

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<v Speaker 2>daily psychological and physical abuse that and the tortures that

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie allegedly suffered through, Jamie was left to fight his

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<v Speaker 2>demons completely alone. His mother, Michelle would not stick up

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<v Speaker 2>for her son. Now, this is because she was threatened

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<v Speaker 2>and was afraid for the subjects and tortures she would

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<v Speaker 2>go through from her from her new husband as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so Jamie would endure hell such as being forced to

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<v Speaker 2>sit at the dinner table watch all his siblings get

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<v Speaker 2>to eat dinner while he did not, what the shit,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he finally was fed, he was forced to

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<v Speaker 2>eat off the floor like a dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Yes, that is next level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, soul is shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Another event later described by Jamie's mother tells a day

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<v Speaker 2>when Jeff kicked Jamie out of a moving vehicle while

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<v Speaker 2>strapped into his car seat. What yeah, Holy So, after

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<v Speaker 2>rushing back to find him on the road, Jamie's mother

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<v Speaker 2>found him still strapped into the seat, luckily luckily sitting

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<v Speaker 2>upright on the road.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the car seat is probably what saved his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Most likely now he miraculously seemed fine, But whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not he was fine is hard to say because Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't about to take him to the hospital and get

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<v Speaker 2>checked out. He just kind of shrugged off. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's fine, and then they continued on with their day.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's like super traumatizing too. But I guess

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<v Speaker 3>he could be at a young en off age that he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now this could be a significant impact in

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<v Speaker 2>his life. Though there's nothing significantly found with any psychological

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<v Speaker 2>issues with Jamie later on in life. This could be

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<v Speaker 2>something that maybe like a bump on the head or

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of trauma that triggered something. So there is

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<v Speaker 2>argument of that later on. So most of Jamie's torment, though,

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<v Speaker 2>would go on document undocumented. There we go, and can

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<v Speaker 2>only be validated by family members, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding the incidents at the time. However, some police reports

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<v Speaker 2>would survive and would show that his stepfather, for example, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah, wow, yeah, okay, I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how about what do you have to say to this?

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<v Speaker 2>Another document report shows an instant where his uncle threw

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<v Speaker 3>His uncle too, his uncle, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Jamie was quite literally enduring torture and brutal

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<v Speaker 2>physical abuse he likes, and mental for that matter.

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<v Speaker 3>You just picture this little five year old like trying

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that they just don't like they're learning

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<v Speaker 3>and everything and like their brain's a little sponge, but

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<v Speaker 3>like trying not to screw anything up at five. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's devastating.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie later on in his life would go on to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss his earlier years, and he would specifically himself say

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<v Speaker 2>he never learned the difference between right and wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh not because everything he did was wrong basically right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he never learned the difference, whether it was

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<v Speaker 2>from a fatherly type figure or a parental figure doing

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<v Speaker 2>wrong themselves. He didn't know if that was okay or

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<v Speaker 2>not to do. And if he was doing right, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get reprimanded. There was no boundaries of what is

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<v Speaker 2>right or wrong no matter which way he goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he could do no right, really, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He could do no wrong also in that same sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeez, Okay, I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets much worse.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I feel like I'm also not gonna like him.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is a terrible upbringing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a terrible upbringing. But we're not going to like

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie in his later years. No, So this whole time,

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<v Speaker 2>his mother, Michelle would be subject to abusive relationships in

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<v Speaker 2>the past, would have been sorry, subject to abusive relationships

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<v Speaker 2>in the past. She would apparently hug her son only

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<v Speaker 2>when Jeff's back was turned, because he wouldn't let her

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<v Speaker 2>embrace her son. It would be you need to embrace

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<v Speaker 2>me before him. Wow he came before Jamie ever did.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah, that just shows what kind of person he

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<v Speaker 3>is right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so she would only kind of do a

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<v Speaker 2>would just let the incidents occur. Otherwise, for fear of

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<v Speaker 2>recommended on Jamie and herself. Now, later in life, Jamie

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<v Speaker 2>would confide in his wife during a therapy session about

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<v Speaker 2>also being molested as a child. Now, though who committed

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<v Speaker 2>this is unclear or the facts around it again are unclear,

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<v Speaker 2>but Jamie grew up not learning the difference between right

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<v Speaker 2>and wrong. Like I said, this is an assumption straight

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<v Speaker 2>from Jamie. And around the age of nine, we would

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<v Speaker 2>get the first glimpse of the man that he would become,

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<v Speaker 2>as he would begin to kind of be that argumentative

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<v Speaker 2>product of his environment. He began killing and torturing animals.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh. Hat.

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<v Speaker 2>In an interview, he recalls being home alone and putting

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<v Speaker 2>a cat in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Freezer okay from a live cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Live cat in the freezer for about fifteen minutes before

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<v Speaker 2>letting it out, then repeating the same thing but instead

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<v Speaker 2>with an oven. Okay. Now, to clarify, he never said

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<v Speaker 2>if the oven was on, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty damn sure it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to assume it was as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not that it mattered to Jamie. But when he

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<v Speaker 2>was only about twelve years old, his stepfather would pass

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<v Speaker 2>away in August of two thousand due to a heart attack,

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<v Speaker 2>something that would have only taken stress off his shoulders.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, but I have it too late. Really, he

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<v Speaker 3>already rect.

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<v Speaker 2>Him Yeah rectum.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if anyone else caught onto that before you

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<v Speaker 3>said maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, So that aside, Jamie was actually living with his

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents by this time, so it's not like it mattered

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<v Speaker 2>in any sense. It's not like he became free either.

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<v Speaker 2>He was already living with his grandparents. However, his grandpa

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't much of a father figure and reportedly hated Jamie

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, why why?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's sad it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Now in Jamie's ten years, his behaviors only be only

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<v Speaker 2>worsened as he would join local gangs, begin using drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course crossing paths with the law. Now, at

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<v Speaker 2>the age fifteen, he would be arrested for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time with the street name Lo Keto, which means the

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<v Speaker 2>little crazy one.

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<v Speaker 3>Low Keto.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I really hope I pronounce it right. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a Spanish guy, yeah, but yeah, low keto.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But his second arrest was a rather significant one that

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<v Speaker 2>would write many more of his years to come. In

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight, when Jamie met a woman whose

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<v Speaker 2>name is being protected, so we will call her Jane

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<v Speaker 2>Jane yet now, Jane and Jamie met at a party,

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<v Speaker 2>and the party was Jane's son's sixteenth birthday party, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie was twenty years old. Jane was enjoying the evening

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and at one point she was dancing with

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<v Speaker 2>one of her son's friends. Now, this didn't sit well

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<v Speaker 2>with Jane's son, that she was dancing with one of

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<v Speaker 2>his friends or whatever, Okay, so he ended up running

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<v Speaker 2>over to Jamie and got Jamie to chase said friend off.

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<v Speaker 2>The only problem is Jamie grabbed a butcher knife from

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen and chased after this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>And did he just chase or did he do some damage?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he did a little bit of damage. We'll touch

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<v Speaker 2>on that in a second, Okay. The whole situation was

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<v Speaker 2>almost as if he was kind of like protecting Jane's honor.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like even though it was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>these two were meeting, and Jane was a bit older

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<v Speaker 2>than Jamie as she was thirty seven and he's twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just editing a wedding though, and it's like

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<v Speaker 3>there was a ton of the wedding party dancing with

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<v Speaker 3>like the parents, Like that was fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's nothing wrong with it having fun exactly. So

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie would go to jail for this incident as he

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<v Speaker 2>did stab the kid now the victim. Thankfully, it was

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<v Speaker 2>okay and mostly just shaken up. His wounds were fairly

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<v Speaker 2>shallow and by the sounds of it, sounds mostly superficial, thankfully.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jamie would be arrested for assault with the deadly weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and he also probably scared the shit of that person.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh fuck yeah, Like, holy heck. I couldn't even imagining

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<v Speaker 3>chase with someone with a butcher knight.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy didn't know Jamie prior to either. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like they were own or anything or had any history.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was just like before. It'd be worse

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<v Speaker 3>if they knew him, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh probably actually, I guess. So while Jamie was in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>he began to write to Jane and the two had

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a pen pal type relationship. Okay, Jane

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<v Speaker 2>didn't exactly think much of Jamie, but by the sounds

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<v Speaker 2>of it, she was kind of liking the attention she

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<v Speaker 2>was getting from him. So about a year later, in

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<v Speaker 2>November of two thousand and nine, he was released from

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<v Speaker 2>prison and he quickly as he was released, called Jane

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<v Speaker 2>and he was like, hey, can you pick me up

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<v Speaker 2>from prison? I'm out? So what do you think she does? No,

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<v Speaker 2>she picked up Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought she's gonna be like, actually no.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, she picks him up. She's okay, sure, why not?

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<v Speaker 3>That surprises me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So she drives over to the prison and he's

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<v Speaker 2>standing there, fresh out of prison, with new tattoos across

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<v Speaker 2>his face. Oh wow, which began his transformation to look

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<v Speaker 2>like the Joker from Batman.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So he is donning a sinister a sinister smile tattooed

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<v Speaker 2>from the corner of each mouth, and clown makeup above

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<v Speaker 2>his above and below his left.

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<v Speaker 3>Epe that's legitimately tattooed on his face.

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<v Speaker 2>Legitimately tattooed, amongst some other smaller tattoos. But he does

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<v Speaker 2>have these permanently on his face.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna have to see a picture of this.

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<v Speaker 2>On the drive, Jamie mentioned, hey, we should go get

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<v Speaker 2>a hotel room, which Jane knew exactly what he was meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>and she obliged.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, yeah, Okay, she's surprising me a little bit because

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<v Speaker 3>one I thought that after he got out it'd just

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<v Speaker 3>be like, oh, well, I didn't mean any of this,

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<v Speaker 3>and then too like after seeing what his new appearance,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you could say, looks like I think you'd

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<v Speaker 3>like want to run for the hills.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, don't judge a book by the cover.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying that right.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I know, but that's I don't know. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have.

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<v Speaker 2>To say it is a bit much.

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<v Speaker 3>Your description seems terrifying to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It is terrifying. I'm just saying you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>judge a book by the cover. She knows him a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more on a personal level.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows, right, But he is also just getting out

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<v Speaker 3>of jail too, so we are know that he's not

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<v Speaker 3>like the best person in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 2>And he chased someone off with the butcher knife and

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed them exactly. So I'm the tattoos. Don't judge by

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<v Speaker 2>the tattoos, judge by the fact that he almost murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, there's a lot to it there.

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<v Speaker 2>You go for the both of them, though, getting the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel room. It was just sex. Jane said that it

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<v Speaker 2>was one night stand. It was one and done. That's it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's all probably would have been if she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, yes, So.

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<v Speaker 2>She quickly broke the news to Jamie. And Jamie, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you think he took it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say that he was ecstatic. He was ecstatic, Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I got one on one right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Excited to be the father he never had. He wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do right for his kid, and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be there for him. He wanted to just he was

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<v Speaker 2>so excited. He was quote like a dad's zilla, like

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<v Speaker 2>a little Hinton wants to come here. In the next

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<v Speaker 2>few sentences, he was a groomzilla. So okay, yeah, Now

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't the relationship Jane was exactly looking for. But

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie's love for her and her family and the new

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<v Speaker 2>kid on the way, and the kindness that he was

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<v Speaker 2>showing her and everyone is what made her fall in

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<v Speaker 2>love with what he was providing. She wasn't really in

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<v Speaker 2>love with him, but she was in love with the

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<v Speaker 2>way he was providing and caring.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So it almost sounds like he could potentially turned

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<v Speaker 3>over a new leaf here a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred short time. So the two did decide

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<v Speaker 2>to tie the knot. Like I said, he's a groomzilla

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<v Speaker 2>in a good way, in a good way, caring for

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding, making sure things are perfect, like that's oh good,

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<v Speaker 2>not like raining down terror like he's like, oh no,

430
00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.319
<v Speaker 2>we got to get the most beautiful cake like that sort.

431
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.279
<v Speaker 3>Of well, like he's actually putting a lot of attention

432
00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:10.200
<v Speaker 3>and cares.

433
00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:13.559
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, which yes, So they decided to tie

434
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.599
<v Speaker 2>the knot in February, and they had a small wedding

435
00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.400
<v Speaker 2>with an elaborate cake at Jamie's grandparents house prior to

436
00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:19.279
<v Speaker 2>the baby being born.

437
00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Nice.

438
00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Then in August of twenty ten, Jane and I've put

439
00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Jane and no sooner, but it's Jane and Jamie welcome

440
00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:32.720
<v Speaker 2>their child into the world. Jamie was instantly an amazing debt.

441
00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.839
<v Speaker 2>He had given up gang life, and he was caring

442
00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and loving. Okay, I'm impressed, so was I until things flipped. Okay,

443
00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:46.920
<v Speaker 2>this didn't last. The following month in September, Jamie was

444
00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:52.039
<v Speaker 2>becoming very controlling and becoming very abusive, both mentally and physically.

445
00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.000
<v Speaker 2>There's even at one point, I'm not too sure when

446
00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:57.039
<v Speaker 2>it was, but during an argument in a fight, Jamie

447
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:02.000
<v Speaker 2>actually stole Jane's mother's ashes, which she never got back.

448
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

449
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, that's the worst. Yes, I mean actually, there's

450
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:10.960
<v Speaker 3>probably gonna be worse shit in here. But that's terrible.

451
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:11.920
<v Speaker 2>That is horrendous.

452
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:12.640
<v Speaker 3>That's terrible.

453
00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:15.519
<v Speaker 2>So he, on more than one occasion, would end up

454
00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.119
<v Speaker 2>being arrested and sent back to jail and released for

455
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:23.759
<v Speaker 2>various different reasons, their marital issues and abuse being several

456
00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:28.400
<v Speaker 2>of them. On occasion specifically was for assault, like I said,

457
00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:32.440
<v Speaker 2>with James's wife, but their relationship crumbled over all this

458
00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.359
<v Speaker 2>course of the time, and Jane would quickly file for

459
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:38.000
<v Speaker 2>divorce and restraining order on him, and the friction between

460
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>the two of them would only intensify from there.

461
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<v Speaker 3>That's sad. It seemed like he was going to go

462
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.759
<v Speaker 3>the right direction there. He wanted to do better.

463
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.359
<v Speaker 2>He did. He wanted to be the figures in that

464
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 2>he didn't have in his life, but for whatever reason,

465
00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:54.480
<v Speaker 2>cards weren't playing right and he just went the other way.

466
00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Now was the evening of Halloween. Oohluckily enoughenty eleven when

467
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Jamie was paroled for from prison, this time with his

468
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:09.559
<v Speaker 2>face completely covered in tattoos. Now and his joker makeup

469
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:15.039
<v Speaker 2>or joker tattoos would complete his look. Wow, yeah, clown,

470
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:19.119
<v Speaker 2>I makeup, the big permanent smile all fixated on his face,

471
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and this is where things would take a very very

472
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:24.640
<v Speaker 2>dark turn.

473
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we have to do a tiny pause. What's this

474
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:28.519
<v Speaker 3>person's last name again?

475
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Souna?

476
00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:30.359
<v Speaker 3>How the heck do you spell?

477
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh? S una?

478
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm just looking up a photo because I can't

479
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Speaker 3>listen anymore without knowing. Oh, okay, yeah, I have actually

480
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:39.160
<v Speaker 3>seen this guy.

481
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep, okay, yep, terrifying.

482
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:45.319
<v Speaker 3>Hey, yeah, Like I mean, if I passed this person

483
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.359
<v Speaker 3>on the street, I probably probably wouldn't well, I would

484
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.319
<v Speaker 3>try not to judge, but i'd also be like, wow,

485
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.319
<v Speaker 3>yeas a lot because those are prison tattoos too, right, he.

486
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Got those in prison? Yeah. Now, by around this time,

487
00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:58.559
<v Speaker 2>I do want to let you know that he is

488
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<v Speaker 2>not a very big individual. I believe he's only about

489
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 2>like five six or something like that, one hundred and

490
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:09.039
<v Speaker 2>fifty pounds, but he's still intimidating. He's still a scary dude.

491
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.640
<v Speaker 2>So it was hardly a week after being released from

492
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:17.240
<v Speaker 2>prison on Halloween that he began to harass his ex wife, Jane.

493
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Poor Jane.

494
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.319
<v Speaker 2>One night, he began driving up and down her street,

495
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:24.920
<v Speaker 2>calling her on the phone, repeatedly threatening her with things

496
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>like he's going to blow her head off.

497
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, that's terrifying.

498
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Terrified, and rightfully so. Jane called police several times over

499
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>in panic, hoping to receive some help.

500
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, she also has kiddos in there, she does.

501
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>However, the help did not come immediately. Why well, Jane

502
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:50.640
<v Speaker 2>had essentially been triaged with several other emergency calls, and

503
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.359
<v Speaker 2>many people were waiting for the police to arrive already

504
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.680
<v Speaker 2>that night, the resources were spread thin and Jane was

505
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 2>forced to wait. Unfortunately, Dane, so by the time the

506
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:05.160
<v Speaker 2>police had arrived, Thankfully, Jane and her family was okay.

507
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, good.

508
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:10.079
<v Speaker 2>But Jamie was gone. But before he had left, he

509
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.440
<v Speaker 2>had made one final phone call to Jane where he said, quote,

510
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:18.839
<v Speaker 2>this is sorry. This is Jane quoting what Jamie said

511
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>on the phone, and this is directly from the nine

512
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:26.799
<v Speaker 2>one one call that night. She says, quote watch the news, bitch,

513
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I killed the woman at the El Morocco Hotel.

514
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Wow. Yeah, so he's just admitting to a murder

515
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.359
<v Speaker 3>and also terrifying her to the next degree.

516
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep. So Jane of course called the police. Yeah, and

517
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I'm curious, like has there been anything committed

518
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 2>or reported at the Morocco Hotel And nothing had been reported?

519
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so he was just threatening her.

520
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was probably just an empty threat, or at

521
00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>least they thought until five days later, a hotel room

522
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>staff at the Morocco Hotel called the police and reported

523
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Speaker 2>a murder.

524
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Shit.

525
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>One of the clean up individuals opened a room to

526
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>find a bloody scene.

527
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, in that room would have just been smelly. Yeah,

528
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 3>really smelly.

529
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>So the woman who was found at the Morocco Hotel

530
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 2>was thirty seven year old Yavette Pagna. She was brutally

531
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:27.400
<v Speaker 2>slain and tortured, with graphic details remaining unreleased, but coroner

532
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.720
<v Speaker 2>officials ruled Paya's death of blunt force injuries, sharp force injuries,

533
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.240
<v Speaker 2>and exphyxiation.

534
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:36.319
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

535
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 3>So she just went through hell.

536
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

537
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

538
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Now the police knew where they were going to look

539
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 2>for their murderer. Of course, because they had this phone

540
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>call five days prior to they obviously know Jamie is

541
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 2>on the radar, he's this immediate suspect.

542
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:53.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're guilty.

543
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 2>So police went undercover in search and even had a

544
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:02.079
<v Speaker 2>lookalike officer driving Jane's car around to try and lure

545
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Jamie out of hiding.

546
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow.

547
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 2>And it only took another five days where an anonymous

548
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>tip told him that Jamie was hiding at his great

549
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>grandparents' house. So they went over there, Jamie was found

550
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.200
<v Speaker 2>and he was subsequently arrested.

551
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and then he should be put in jail forever.

552
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 2>He was definitely arrested, definitely put in jail, but he

553
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>denied having anything to do with Yvette's death. Of course,

554
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:33.559
<v Speaker 2>during questioning, all he did was deny and obsess over

555
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 2>the relationship with his wife. Now, any allegations that came

556
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>from his wife, he said were simply just lies or

557
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 2>taken out of context. He said things to scare her.

558
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 2>But he denied having anything to do with the murder.

559
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Which doesn't make any sense though, because he knew about

560
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 3>the murder before anybody else knew about the murder. But

561
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 3>did he Well, he said some or what you think,

562
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 3>that's just the world's biggest coincidence. So that happened.

563
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:00.759
<v Speaker 2>That's his argument.

564
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if it is, that's crazy. But I don't

565
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 3>know if I believe that they would be able to

566
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.720
<v Speaker 3>also be able to tell her time of death is

567
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:08.279
<v Speaker 3>ishue you'd.

568
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Think they would.

569
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 3>So.

570
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>While locked up in a waiting trial, Jamie would be

571
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 2>interviewed by a reporter where he stood by his claims

572
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>of innocence, and in early twenty seventeen, his trial was

573
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>set to begin. Just before he also accepted another interview

574
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.319
<v Speaker 2>from another reporter. Now that second reporter goes by the

575
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 2>name of Olivia Lavoice. She sat down with Jamie expecting

576
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to hear the same old denial, and she hoped that

577
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 2>some of the evidence she knew that was about to

578
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 2>come out in the upcoming trial would give her a

579
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 2>little bit of leverage in the interview to get him

580
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>to talk or maybe get him to squirm and might

581
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 2>get some juicy details right now. What she wasn't ready

582
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>for was for Jamie to coldly admit to it all

583
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>and spill every single detail about the entire crime on

584
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>how he killed ve Pina.

585
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I wonder why he decided to do that, And

586
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 3>can you imagine how would you even react to that?

587
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Because you want to get all the details, but then

588
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 3>you're also like, shit, I gotta leave. This is terrifying.

589
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, she interviewed him for quite some time and got

590
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of detailed out of there.

591
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so she just sat there and took it all

592
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 3>in eh.

593
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Now, a lot of the details have not been

594
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>released due to the graphic nature, but he did to

595
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>talk to Olivia about a lot of this stuff. And

596
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>now right here, I do want to take a moment,

597
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:30.680
<v Speaker 2>and I do want to thank Olivia a Voice for

598
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>her information and research. In this case, most of, if

599
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.559
<v Speaker 2>not all, of this information has been brought to light

600
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>thanks to her work. So shout out to her. Ninety

601
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>nine percent of the research for this podcast was taken

602
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:46.319
<v Speaker 2>directly from her stuff.

603
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 3>Wow. So I wonder what on earth got him to

604
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 3>admit to her. It was just like random or is

605
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 3>there anything that you have to say about that, like

606
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:54.240
<v Speaker 3>in here?

607
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 2>No? Not really. He just so, yeah, I did it

608
00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>And it was as simple as that.

609
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

610
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Now, he admitted to killing her, and his reason was

611
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 2>he's seen an opportunity and he took it. That was it.

612
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Shit, that was it.

613
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 3>That's a shit reason.

614
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Now, his defense in court didn't want him to plead guilty,

615
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>but that's exactly what Jamie wanted to do. He's like, yeah,

616
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 2>I just want to plead guilty. He was like, but

617
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 2>my defense basically won't let me. That's what he told

618
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Olivia in this interview days before his trial.

619
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Okay, he probably didn't want a trial. I just wanted

620
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 3>to move on. Like, that's exactly why I was served

621
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 3>my time.

622
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I did this well, Jamie.

623
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Claimed there was no point in dragging it on. He's like,

624
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>let them have their fucking closure or whatever they need,

625
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 2>not that he cared for them to have closure. He's like,

626
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I did it. I was like, what's this fucking trial for. Basically,

627
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 2>it was his attitude he did it. The whole court

628
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>thing was in his mind useless. So during the first

629
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 2>day on trial, Jamie was seen mocking Vett's family while

630
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.839
<v Speaker 2>they were on the stand. Wow, he simply was on

631
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>there in handcuffs, yawning, using hand gefesters to show that

632
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 2>they were talking a lot, like you know when someone

633
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 2>like blah.

634
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Blah blah, what a freaking asshole.

635
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, showing he did not give a fuck.

636
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 3>That is beyond disrespectful.

637
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there's a photo of him full on yawning

638
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 2>in the courtroom when he's just like, not a singer

639
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 2>in the world.

640
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Understand the yawn. I'm not going to super fault him

641
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.359
<v Speaker 3>with the yawn ie on and almost everything.

642
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>This yawn came when Yvette's family was giving a speech

643
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>in the courtroom.

644
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well he was probably like not paying attention, but

645
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 3>the whole like hand gestures and stuff.

646
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 2>That's freaking yeah, definitely. Well, the same day, Olivia mentioned

647
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>to the family that Jamie confessed to her on tape.

648
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>She has a confession that he did this because in

649
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 2>the court his defense is saying he's not guilty.

650
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Huh, that lawyer should probably just give up.

651
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Well can you imagine trying to defend someone like that

652
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 2>in court? Honestly.

653
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

654
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, this information gave more than enough evidence in trial,

655
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.079
<v Speaker 2>which because of this, a plea deal was agreed upon.

656
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Jamie would plead guilty and he would be able to

657
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>avoid the death penalty. So that's exactly what happened. On

658
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>May fourteenth, twenty seventeen, Jamie was sentenced to life without parole.

659
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And this occurred, or sorry as this occurred, Jamie sat

660
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 2>in handcuffs giving a thumbs up to the prosecutor.

661
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.559
<v Speaker 3>What, Yeah, okay, that's interesting. Generally you're just supposed to

662
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of keep to yourself and like not make the

663
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:34.559
<v Speaker 3>jury think that you're.

664
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.039
<v Speaker 2>A complete tool. Yeah, douche canoe.

665
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I had a lot of words coming through my brain,

666
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 3>but I'm like, should I say these?

667
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? This, however, was not the end for Jamie. In fact,

668
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 2>his most gruesome act was yet to come. As Jamie said,

669
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>in prison, he was considered extremely dangerous, he was not

670
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>able to have a cell mat, and he sat alone. However,

671
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>for one reason or another, he was given a cell

672
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:09.199
<v Speaker 2>mate in March of twenty nineteen. Shit Prison guards were, however,

673
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.719
<v Speaker 2>scheduled to check up on cells approximately every fifteen to

674
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes. There's no it hasn't been clarification on when

675
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the schedule was, but it's somewhere in that window when.

676
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to be A lot can happen in that time.

677
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Spam it can.

678
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.400
<v Speaker 2>And even still if a window or a cell is

679
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.639
<v Speaker 2>covered up by a bedsheet or something, that's a violation.

680
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 2>They got to like open the cell up or whatever.

681
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 2>They have to be able to see. End. Clearly, this

682
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 2>schedule didn't make a difference. Though, seven thirty am on

683
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 2>March ninth, twenty nineteen, Jamie's cellmate Louise Romero, would be

684
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 2>found dead inside the cell with Jamie. It was only

685
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>about twenty four hours after Louis had arrived at prison Dang. Now,

686
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Luis was forty four and had already spent more than

687
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 2>two decades in prison for a fatal shooting of a

688
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 2>woman in la But he had just arrived with this

689
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 2>prison and had just been put into the cell with Jamie.

690
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Why was he put in the same cell as Jamie?

691
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Then?

692
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 3>Was not in a mistake of We'll talk about that

693
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:10.719
<v Speaker 3>a little later, Okay.

694
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Now, however, he was completely massacred beyond belief. Guards found

695
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Jamie had cut out Louise's eyes, chopped off one of

696
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:23.920
<v Speaker 2>his fingers.

697
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Whoa.

698
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>He had also removed one of Luis's ribs, carved out

699
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 2>his lungs, and then decapitated him and cut slits in

700
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>his cheeks from the corner of his mouth extending up

701
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 2>to his ears. Oh my god, which would be kind

702
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 2>of a reminiscent of the joker smile.

703
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

704
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Which is an injury or infliction of a wound, which

705
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.079
<v Speaker 2>is famously nicknamed Glasgow Smile.

706
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.599
<v Speaker 3>And he did all this in fifteen minutes. And what

707
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 3>the hell did he have to do this? Well, well,

708
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:54.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, gosh, they have lots, They end up having

709
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of things in person.

710
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:01.880
<v Speaker 2>He managed to do all this with a single razor blade. Really,

711
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 2>which impossible to do this in fifteen minutes. This would

712
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>have been over the course of hours.

713
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, you're.

714
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Kidding hours upon hours.

715
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 3>So the guards were not checking right clearly. Then oh

716
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.519
<v Speaker 3>my gosh.

717
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Now the cell was covered Wow, top to bottom in

718
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 2>blood splatters and bloody writing on the walls that read this,

719
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:33.400
<v Speaker 2>I am the man with a thousand faces. Gosh, I

720
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>am not mad, I am just differently sane.

721
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

722
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>You will never be lonely, you will never be sad.

723
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.280
<v Speaker 2>You will always have me to dance with. Now that

724
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 2>you will always have me to dance with is apparently

725
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.039
<v Speaker 2>a reference to an old Batman comic. That is something

726
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 2>that the Joker says to Batman. I couldn't find which

727
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Batman comic it was from, but apparently that is a

728
00:36:56.239 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 2>reference from that. And then ha ha written in blood

729
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>all over the wall.

730
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:04.679
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

731
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 2>All these writings apparently in very surprising penmanship.

732
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 3>And so this I guess prior to they had never

733
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 3>decided if he was sane. I mean, I'm assuming after

734
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:23.320
<v Speaker 3>this they're going to check on that now. He actually

735
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.199
<v Speaker 3>was completely saying.

736
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of things we can discuss that are

737
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 2>note worthy about Jamie, but some of the more notable

738
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 2>ones are that he was deemed legally sane to stand trial,

739
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>though at one point he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

740
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, because that's nuts, Like, I'm sorry, but like to

741
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:45.639
<v Speaker 3>literally think, okay, you finally get someone in your jail cell.

742
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:47.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how long you'd been alone or whatever,

743
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 3>and then you're in your brain like right away you're

744
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 3>like I'm going to just kill this person, and not

745
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 3>just kill them, but like completely demolish them.

746
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, the final fact about what they found when

747
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>they went into the cell is Jamie also had an

748
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 2>necklace made of body parts around.

749
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:03.400
<v Speaker 3>His neck of this guy.

750
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

751
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I mean, I'm sorry, but to think of all

752
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 3>that stuff, like I can't maybe killing like you're a

753
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 3>bad person, but to have a necklace of this person's

754
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 3>organs and you're you're fine, like you're just good to.

755
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Go, Well, he was.

756
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 3>He was legally saying that's nuts to me.

757
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm gonna push this a little farther though, Jamie,

758
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>if you listen to him speak, he is very well articulated.

759
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:29.559
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

760
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>He seems extremely intelligent. Apparently he would read incredible amounts

761
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 2>of books when he was younger, and he also began

762
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 2>to study psychology.

763
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

764
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.760
<v Speaker 2>So when Jamie talks about killing, when he talks about

765
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 2>why he kills, how he kills, the feeling of killing.

766
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.599
<v Speaker 2>He uses this as a bit of an example. When

767
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 2>someone tells a joke that is funny and he knows

768
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 2>it's funny, he can't laugh. He doesn't feel anything. He

769
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 2>knows it's supposed to be funny, but he does he can't.

770
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Laugh, doesn't have that emotion.

771
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have emotion. He said, drugs began to lose

772
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>their luster and killing is really the only way he

773
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:16.599
<v Speaker 2>can feel anything. He goes on to describe some people

774
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 2>kill with a gun, and he said, Okay, the gun

775
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 2>is doing most of the work. And not that I

776
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>agree with what he's talking about, but it makes sense. Okay,

777
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>this is why I think he's so scary, because what

778
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 2>he's talking about makes sense. Not that I agree, but

779
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>what he's saying, there's logic to.

780
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 3>It, Okay, and you're a very logical person.

781
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 2>So when you shoot someone with a gun, the gun

782
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 2>is primarily doing the killing. Yeah, you're pulling the trigger,

783
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you're causing it, but the gun is causing the damage.

784
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>And so Jamie saying, after like two years, he would

785
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.920
<v Speaker 2>forget that feeling. It's gone. However, the reason why he

786
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>tortures is for things like the texture, the smell, the

787
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 2>feel wow, the moment, the rot afterwards, the days afterwards,

788
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 2>taking it in those mental pictures so he has something

789
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:11.039
<v Speaker 2>to revel in later on, and so he can feel

790
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 2>for longer.

791
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for those mental pictures.

792
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that so fucked up?

793
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.159
<v Speaker 3>That's so disgusting.

794
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>He is like one hundred percent a madman. Yeah, makes sense,

795
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.320
<v Speaker 2>but it is so fucked up.

796
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, honestly, that's I just can't even believe that that

797
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.360
<v Speaker 3>poor man in the cell, Like, okay, no one would

798
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>be able to hear him or anything. I'm still I'm

799
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.559
<v Speaker 3>still not over how that even happened.

800
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's part of it. Though. There is another

801
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.559
<v Speaker 2>inmate at the time who talked to a reporter and

802
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 2>they said that it was apparently like an inside job. Now,

803
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 2>there's a few different theories or stuff that was bouncing around,

804
00:40:52.000 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 2>but apparently he was given this cellmate on purpose. One

805
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>of the thought processes is Luis Ramiro was a bigger

806
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 2>guy than Jamie. I think that people were expecting Jamie

807
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.840
<v Speaker 2>to get killed, or the guards were expecting Jamie to

808
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>get killed.

809
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so they couldn't even have thought that. I mean,

810
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't even have been doing this in self defense.

811
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:20.719
<v Speaker 3>Then at some.

812
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Point potentially potentially, hey, potentially.

813
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean he went a lot further than self defense.

814
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 2>But yes, So there's never been anything to come forward

815
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>about why the guards hadn't checked up on him, uh huh,

816
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.800
<v Speaker 2>anything like that where he got the razor flumb from

817
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.559
<v Speaker 2>why this guy was in there. But there's theories of

818
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 2>it was done on purpose. Whether it was to get

819
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Jamie killed or the other guy killed is up in

820
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 2>the air. But those are the theories that it was

821
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 2>done on purpose and a blind eye was turned on purpose. Now,

822
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 2>also noteworthy, Jamie actually had some pull in prison with

823
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 2>some different things. He was harassing his exife in different ways.

824
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Letters were found where he was actually giving someone a

825
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>letter with her address to go burn down her house,

826
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 2>but that letter was intercepted. He had mailed her a

827
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 2>dead rat at some point.

828
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

829
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:14.159
<v Speaker 2>So he had some poll inside those walls. So another

830
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 2>theory is he got the guards paid off to bring

831
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.400
<v Speaker 2>him someone so he could kill someone, so.

832
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 3>He could enjoy killing. I guess yes, yeah.

833
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Because he did promise Olivia in the interview that he

834
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>would kill again. Really yes, He's like, I will do

835
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 2>this again.

836
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

837
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 2>So also while he was talking and confessing with Olivia interview,

838
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Jamie also confessed to killing two more individuals, his first

839
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.880
<v Speaker 2>being his first kill when he was thirteen years old,

840
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and he had a mentor showing him along the road.

841
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, because I was going to actually ask

842
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 3>you because so far we've only talked a book two right.

843
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and apparently there's two more Okay. However, he never

844
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 2>gave any details regarding these cases. He did give some

845
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.880
<v Speaker 2>minor details, one being a man, one being a woman.

846
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 2>He gave ages, and then something about there being an orchard.

847
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 2>So there are some theories on some other missing person's cases,

848
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.800
<v Speaker 2>but nothing definitive. He also said that he had left

849
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.199
<v Speaker 2>behind evidence on the crime scene with Yuvett on purpose.

850
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 2>He wanted to get caught. He said, if I want

851
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.360
<v Speaker 2>to get caught, I wouldn't have left my fingerprints. I

852
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.039
<v Speaker 2>would have cleaned up with bleach. I would have done this.

853
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I would have done this, but I left it behind.

854
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 3>I didn't care, like you said, doesn't give a shit.

855
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Not a single fuck.

856
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

857
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 3>This, honestly, this case makes me feel sick to my stuff.

858
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, well it really does.

859
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>He's one of the worst individuals we have covered.

860
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<v Speaker 3>Like I feel nauseous.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether he was born evil or he was a byproduct

862
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<v Speaker 2>of his childhood environment, it's one hundred percent unknown. But

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<v Speaker 2>we do know is Jamie knew exactly what he was

864
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<v Speaker 2>doing and if given the chance, he would do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it again. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is the case of the man with a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand faces, Jamie Yos.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's still alive. I'm assuming he's still alive. Awesome,

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<v Speaker 3>that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>But he will be serving life in prison with no

871
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<v Speaker 2>parole thankfully.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I can imagine. But it's just like, hopefully he

873
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<v Speaker 3>never is able to get his hands on anyone else.

874
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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, sometimes if there's a will, there's a way.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, he seems to have had poll

876
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<v Speaker 2>in prison in different ways before so who knows he

877
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<v Speaker 2>might be able to do it again.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, five ten years, people will drop their guard, right, yeah,

879
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 3>and then he will probably just be ready to strike.

880
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Like I say, the worst part about this is

881
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>he seems totally sane. He seems totally smart. He seems

882
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>very intellectual. He studied psychology, He knows what he's talking about.

883
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 2>When he speaks, he speaks with intent, and he speaks

884
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<v Speaker 2>with truth, and he speaks without remorse.

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<v Speaker 3>He's probably still in their educating himself, I would imagine too,

886
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<v Speaker 3>with his free time and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well probably, yeah, he's very much so. He reminds me

888
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like Hannibal Lecter, not the Hannibal, not

889
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 2>that he's a cannibal by any means, but Hannibal Lecter

890
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<v Speaker 2>very educated, very smart, very calculated. Jamie is the same

891
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 2>way that. In that manner. It's fucking scary.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot I feel are also just the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>he could endure the pain of those tattoos on his face.

894
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<v Speaker 2>I bet you'd be pain.

895
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<v Speaker 3>That would be incredibly painful.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also actually I should mention this too, there's reports

897
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<v Speaker 2>though I couldn't see any scarring on his face of

898
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>myself or find actual evidence of it. But there's reports

899
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.719
<v Speaker 2>of him actually cutting his face so that his smile

900
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.440
<v Speaker 2>was scarred, just like the Joker from the Dark.

901
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:46.559
<v Speaker 3>Knight The Joker. This has inspired other bad things. Yes,

902
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<v Speaker 3>it is, which I don't love. I don't love that

903
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 3>at all. Yeah, huh so, wow, what a way to

904
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<v Speaker 3>kick off Halloween there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Hopefully you guys enjoyed that case. I mean, you

906
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<v Speaker 2>can't enjoy Jamio sooner, but I hope now, hopefully you

907
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<v Speaker 2>got something out of this. He's bothered me for a

908
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:08.760
<v Speaker 2>few weeks now researching him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, honestly, there is a couple tidbits in there that

910
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<v Speaker 3>were familiar to me, but I didn't recognize his name

911
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 3>or anything. And it's interesting. It's pretty new, really, all

912
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<v Speaker 3>this is quite new, yep. But that's also something you

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<v Speaker 3>just hear about and block the fuck out after, because

914
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<v Speaker 3>that's brutal.

915
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'll ever be able to block

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<v Speaker 2>out this case personally. I wish I could.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, sometimes it's harder to do when you have researched it. Yeah,

918
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie. It is way harder, that's true,

919
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<v Speaker 3>way harder.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe to get your minds off it you can

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<v Speaker 2>go check out our new merch which is linked down below.

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<v Speaker 2>We got those two new ones you can go check out,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like an American Gothic style with our faces

924
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<v Speaker 2>on it. And then, like I said, the Jacko exclusive.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll post on institute, we will about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so make sure you go check that out. Check

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<v Speaker 2>out our Instagram, our Facebook, or our YouTube, are website

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<v Speaker 2>or Patreon if you're up for it. Even if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not up for that, we appreciate you being here regardless.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess what what, we're back tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>We are Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is only day one of Halloween Week, which

934
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<v Speaker 2>means there's six more to come boom, So another case

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and some more stuff to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Tomorrow as well, So time to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Day tuned for it, but of course, until then, stay

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<v Speaker 2>wicked