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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mix in some vodka. We call it a podcast from

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the Mac of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven

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by Victor Chrysler Dots. Gee rahm, it's Billified, the Bill

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. I am so excited because, uh,

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doctor Rob Rice has agreed to come back become friends

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with Rob through the podcast, believe it or not, Like

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I think I since I started this, like all the

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people I've met because of the podcast has been amazing.

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And then doctor Rice comes in He's got guinness, and

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I go, this is amazing. And then what's that article

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over there?

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Speaker 3: This is for your studio? Okay, I thought might be here,

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and he was here when I first got here, so

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I and I wasn't sure where things are at right now.

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In terms of drink drinking, I've been asking you to

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have a beer with me forever, yes, and uh it

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hasn't worked out. And so I figured, well, then drink,

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I'm going to bring it here and we'll have a

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beer together on the podcast. It might be the only

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way that it can happen. So and in just in

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case there are any objections, I brought you evidence that

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guinness is actually good for you, and I thought that

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this would be good for the podcast.

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Speaker 2: WHI is great for the podcast?

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Speaker 3: So h so yes, that's it actually legitimately is good

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for you. I've been living by that for a long time. Yeah,

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I do dried January, but Guinness doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: How about how about the same guinas that beer expert

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Michael Jackson, this British King of Hops calls the world

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uh classic dry stout. It's a favorite bono obviously Madonna

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with a good cigar. I love this beer. I have

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loved this beer for years. This is really cool. We

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can hang this up in here. Yeah, that's oh thanks,

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that is really cool of you.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Williams. Who you know Tom Williams. He calls it

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the only true breakfast beer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to call it my chocolate milk when

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I was you know, or mother's milk. Yep, Mother's milk

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is another stout like this. Do you ever have that?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: There's a real really yeah, just they have a really

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good at Aurora Brewing right now. They have one called

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for Fook's sake, Where's uh? Aurora is right on It's

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in bushtos Basin right on.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the one. Yeah, I haven't been to there

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when it was a seventh story.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, i'd be there, that would be And they

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have they have something that tastes like I'm really critical

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of anything that that says that they're like a nitro

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stout and they try to because a Guinness, I think

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is really unique. It is, but this, for Fook's sake,

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at uh at Aurora is solid.

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Speaker 2: It's really I like that is it like a Japanese

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I don't know why Irish because it means like for fox,

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it's excuse me, was the size of the planet that

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way as.

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Speaker 3: To say it? And you'll know what it's believe me.

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Speaker 2: I know. I wanted to have you back because I

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felt like the last time you were on, I didn't

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we didn't talk about your book well enough, and I didn't.

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I felt like I underserved you on that one. And

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I really really connected with your book. And I thought

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it would be because the whole portion of the book

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where you talk about and it's it's let me step

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back here cliff notes, and I thought was the final

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title of cliff Notes, contemplating Life's meeting on the edge Okay,

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so this is about you and your family and I

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think another family or another couple. We're going to go

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and it's is it mohawks, mox the Mountains, mox A Mountain,

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That's what it was, mox the Mountain and your daughters

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and dogs are up ahead, and all of a sudden

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you hear the scream and the dog you think is

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over the cliff, and it's just hanging on on this

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ledge and then you don't even I think in the

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book you're almost just down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I wouldn't have. I don't think I would have

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had the guts to go down their head.

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Speaker 2: I had been conscious and I'm reading all that and

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my palms got sweaty. It's so well written and so

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well descriptive of that event. But everything that comes out

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of that is the idea that we're one, the idea

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that you and the dog are one, the connection you

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had to Walter, which I think was, you know, very special.

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And I went back four years later. Yeah, and all

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that's laid out in the book, but I go, boy,

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that that's it's just amazing. And the connection and the

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people that come along, like the I don't I'm forgetting

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the names muscular guy with the mohawk and then was

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separate from Carl. Right.

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Speaker 3: I actually never learned the most.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure. I just know I have

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the book and I didn't have time to go back

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and really check it out.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, Okay, I'm wondering someday maybe these guys

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will like come across the book and be like, I

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think that was me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm friends with the actual guy who you know, ultimately,

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you know, led the rescue and rescued me. You know,

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spoiler alert, you know all that we called called for

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a helicopter.

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Speaker 2: We didn't need one, yeah, but it seemed like the

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helicopter was taking forever it would have.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I was. I was down twenty thirty feet

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down on the side of the cliff, nothing to really

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hold on to other than you know, the little bit

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of graveled and stuff that I could grab on the

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and then I had Walter on my shoulder.

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Speaker 2: Did Walter slip down?

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Speaker 3: He I didn't watch it, my daughter saw it, but

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you know they they made it sound like he got

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too close to the edge and the slipped and felt, yeah, just.

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Speaker 2: Like the earth moved out from under his sposs pretty much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And it was like Indiana Jones and the

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Temple of Doom level stuff, right like straight down probably

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a thousand feet, So yeah, I wouldn't have. I think

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it was one of those moments where you know, Walter

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is just my best friend, and I saw that, and

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the next thing I knew, I was on the side

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of the was on the side of the cliff with

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him kind of resting in my shoulders, and and so yeah,

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the book's about that hour really on the side of

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the cliff and things that I was thinking, and when

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I came back from the cliff, the conversations I had

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with people like well you and and Tom Williams and

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doctor McCabe and doctor LaRue, all the folks that we

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just how it all like. It's just the wildest thing.

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Speaker 2: There's so many things in the book because you think

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about you, you talk about your family, you talk about

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your daughters, you talk about you know, your wife's up there,

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and am I ever going to see them again? And

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all I think in my mind with the book, you

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were just hearing their voices. No one was getting that

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close to the edge to look over and go, or

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your wife did.

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Speaker 3: My wife got your wife at the edge and she

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said it was dizzying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I think everybody else was more just their voices.

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Speaker 3: You could hear, yeah, yeah, you couldn't get very close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually he fell the first time, but luckily

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not the full thousand feet, you know, just just above

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me and was able to grasp onto the side of

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the clip and kind of scurry back up.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, it was. It was crazy, but all

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the things that went on in your mind and contemplating

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life and its meaning and what is our purpose here?

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many many I feel like there's been many i'll call

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them teachers that have come to try to tell us

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that and show us that and prove it to us.

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I'd even say Bob Marley to a certain extent, was

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always saying we are are one and relax and all this,

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and you know, then Bob did with a lot of people, yes,

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and then there's a lot of people like you know,

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religion sometimes can be made to manipulate people, and I

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think they've changed Rastafarians so they could have sex with

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the younger girl. I don't know, there's all theory on that,

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but the point is that there's always this message and

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to feel that connection and to be alone with your

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thoughts in a moment of I don't know what's next.

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a plan as human beings, we want that. We want

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to know what's.

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Speaker 3: Coming until it comes, right until it happens, and then

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we're there right exactly. And that's what that was, right

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when you know they couldn't imagine being in that situation

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until you're in that situation m m. And then time

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slows down and mystical things happen and you know it's

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it's uh and I feel like there's so many of

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these cool things that not just me, anybody experiences in

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their life. And then afterwards, immediately afterwards, you've got this

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kind of hypomania and adrenaline running and you can't believe

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that it happened. And then over time kind of life

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gets in the way and you kind of forget, Wow,

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there was that was amazing. There was something, you know,

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really mystical about that and so, and that was one

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not just afterwards, but on the cliff, because there's something

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happened while I was on the cliff, right, And then

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it became a good structure for talking about you know,

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our aubuntu, as doctor LaRue would say, right right, you

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know I am because of you, you right, you know

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that we we exist because we're in this place together

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's strange because I've even gone in

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my own world more that everything is a reflection of you,

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which is weird, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's weird. I mean there are people

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will say that, you know, the the universe is like

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a mirror, right, yes, and then everything to you, what you.

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Speaker 2: Got, what you offer it, or what you were offering

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or because then I was even talking to a family

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member who said, I have been trying to manifest a

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job and a different job and different this and that,

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and I just I don't like the person that I do.

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All she does is complain. And then I sat there

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and realized, Yeah, that's me. It's just me. Being reflected

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back to me through that person and you go, whoa,

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and it is weird and we don't think of life

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that way almost because it's I don't know that it's

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too hard to but it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. It's I was thinking about this

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this morning, and because I knew we'd cover some of

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this stuff, and I was I'm always trying as a

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you know, as a tenured professor, I want to make

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sure that I'm not coming across as too woo woo

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and things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me give that real quick. You are the

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head of the psychology department at St.

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Speaker 3: John Fisheral Council.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a graduate program at Saint John Fisher

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University at Fisher. Yeah, great place to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is impressive what's going on over there.

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Speaker 3: That was originally why I reached out to you, is

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because when I wrote the first book, which I had

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nothing to do with you know, this kind of it

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was actually about using the oh yeah, yeah, yeah, with

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young people in therapy. I thought of you is because

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I knew you were a Fisher Graham and I'd always

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appreciated some of the thoughts you had on things on

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the radio, like you know, you know it's this idea

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that you know, what we put out there back to us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if that's the case, like you, I mean,

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do you feel like when you got off the side

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of the cliff, And I know this is in the

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in the book, but I'll like you kind of the feeling,

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did you ever stop and think that's me coming back

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to me? I I I saved myself. I know. It

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the hoisting up and dropping leashes down and swinging it

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over and when you're reaching for the leash. God, I'm

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reading this in bed, I'm.

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it really came across.

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you so maybe but it wouldn't matter or I was like, wow,

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but did you ever feel like that's me being reflected

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back to me? It's exactly what I would have done

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these people.

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Speaker 3: That are here, Jeez, I never thought about.

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a lot of good, and I think sometimes we don't

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recognize that within ourselves because we're told we shouldn't right,

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we should We're always told, you know, be humble, be this,

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be that, and maybe it's okay to privately go I'm

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a good person and I do good stuff. And it

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forty six hig Peaks in the Aroundics with my oldest

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daughter just a couple of years ago, and which we

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actually did after this experience, and I really enjoy that

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kind of thing. This, this particular hike was a family hike. Yeah,

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you know, we had my our really good friend and

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their dog with us too, and I kind of felt

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responsible for the whole group. It wasn't high peak, it

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wasn't an especially difficult mountain. It was only like five

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Speaker 3: And so I going up there, you know, as I

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was climbing, I felt like this, Oh geez, I just

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want to be you know, part of this. I just

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want to enjoy this right now. But I've got all

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kids are Okay, everybody's said and every time I hear

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someone get I guess.

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to listen to the trees, yes, bathing, You want to yeah, right,

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we want to hear them sucking the water up, like

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hear the sounds that you can't hear.

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the idea. It's a nature based approach to approach to

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therapy called forest bathing, and and I teach it to

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my clients. But you know, in this particular moment, it

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was a hard place. It was hard to do that

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just this intense gratitude, right, Like you know, I was

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that I had all these you know, obligations and things

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an hour on the side of the cliff, I was

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just filled with gratitude, right. I was grateful to the

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people who helped me out. I was grateful to the

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dogs because they had the leashes that we were able

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to tie together. I was grateful to my wife for

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throwing me the cliff bar because my sugar went low.

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I was grateful, so, you know, and like all of

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those things. Yeah, Like it's it's like, you know, it's

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like when you lose your keys and then you find

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them and everything is great again. Right, not only great again,

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but better than it ever was before you lost your keys.

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Right right inside? That was I think the feeling that

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like a diner and seen you know, the five eighty

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year old guys in the corner, you know, drinking coffee

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and you know, because I used to go in that. No,

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well I had or maybe sometimes yes, but I always

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was envious of those I felt like, what a life

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dinner with people who you relate to. And I and

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we ended up finding a group like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then we'll have breakfast with those folks every once

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in a while. And so I had one of those

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breakfasts coming right back from this, uh, this experience, and

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I shared it with them, and you know, they're the

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ones who encouraged me to write it up and because

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I was still, you know, really amped up about it,

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uh and yeah, just kind of took off from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a great read, and you can

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get on your website.

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Speaker 3: You can get it right, Yeah, yeah, so cliff book,

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cliff notesbook dot com. Okay, Cliff where you can get

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an Amazon or on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say give it a read. It it's

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something people in this area may have hiked that mountain.

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It's very possible to posh. But it doesn't matter if

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you did or didn't. It doesn't matter. There's something in

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there that you will walk away from this read as hmm.

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I never thought that way about this possible, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that's the ulterior motive there as a yeah,

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as someone who's.

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the metaphysical side of it is almost the point to

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me that was very interesting because I don't think that

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we ever explored that people don't talk about that stuff.

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Speaker 3: They don't And honestly, this this was in many ways,

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that story was the beginning of you know, it's been

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trying to think it's been six years since that happened.

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metaphysical type conversations.

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Speaker 2: In my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so in a lot of ways, I was.

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Speaker 2: That pretty deep or pre deep. It was pretty deep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not know it was pretty deep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and so in fact, uh, you know, doctor

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Deep shows up in the book a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: Yep, just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That's the current book is uh working on writing up

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all the stories from the times that we've had visits

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with doctor Deep, the things he's taught me, the interviews

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that I got to do with global experts about you know,

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what he does and how energy impacts things like genes

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and cerebral spinal fluid and all that kind of stuff.

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In a lot of ways, I feel like Cliff notes

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writing that gave me the confidence to write this now.

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it's to me It's about momentum, right and then and

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pot and it's the idea of feeling positive but feeling

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confident I can do it. It's not. I think the

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biggest fear with anything is Anne I was going to

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read it and always going to do it. I don't

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want to see he why why why? But when you

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did it and how good you felt after the finishing

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that to do another one, I think would it totally

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makes sense.

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Speaker 3: It's like the two minute mile, right, like when somebody

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that you keep doing, oh god, that that uh the

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and that was a very I knew I could do

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that because it was academic writing, right like I've done

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that forever, you know. Cliff Notes was the first time

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doing something more creative.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, not more creative and very personal life.

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Speaker 3: And super personal, right, which which is still anxious for me.

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Speaker 2: I did put yourself out there, kind of didn't want.

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to read it first. Yeah, I've been happy that it's

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been getting good feedback, but it's it's one of those

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things where like I'm not putting it on social media

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or things like that.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't. That's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so and then that gave me the confidence

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to do this one and so yeah, and then we'll see.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be cool there. I have a whole I

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don't know if I so with the class that we're

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teaching right now, which you're gonna you're a part of.

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Oh I forgot these. I was, I gotta get these

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to you too. They're Guinness mini pints. What yeah, they're well,

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they're like chocolates. It was a Guinness theme.

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Speaker 2: Who knew? Yeah, wow, oh nice, thank you.

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Speaker 3: But in this class that we're doing, the Complimentary Treatment

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Methods class, where we talk a lot about different types

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of energy healing and including Noddy and the stuff with

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doctor Deep, I've been pulling quotes from the book and

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we've been reviewing them in classes. So I brought a

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bunch of those quotes with me. Maybe after a break

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or something, I can we can pull a couple and

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talk about them. But it's been really cool taking interviews

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with Deep and with these different global experts who in

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some cases have pretty poor English, and then getting the

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transcription and running the transcription through AI and AI will

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take that transcription and clean it up and make it

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easier to under sure. Yeah, and just the stuff that's

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coming out of that process has been so cool really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what I find the most interacting is

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and I think you're the perfect vehicle for this. And

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sometimes I wonder even about myself. We talk about this

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stuff as woo woo. Right, the alternative healing methods. My

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mother did reiki, but she didn't do reiki I think

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until she left she and my dad split. I don't

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know that she would have done yeah, but she got

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into reiki as a thing for herself. She's part of

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a fifth dimension group now. Yeah. But the thing is that, like,

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I don't know that she would have done that with

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my dad's influence. I don't know he was as open

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to that sort of stuff. And you look at Rob

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and doctor Rob looks like he could swing a hammer.

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They build a house, right, And if you've been around

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guys who do that, they're not into woo woo. They don't,

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you know what I mean? And I love that you

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are because I am. I buy it all. I had

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a healing yesterday. I was telling you I had the

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last of three healing and I said to you. They

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said to me, this will be like drink a lot

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of water, will be detox. I came in here and

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I drank a lot of water, and then I had

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stomach issues and other things that I just didn't have

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for like part of a day, and I had and

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not because of that. I altered my day yesterday, but

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not because of that prior. And I was very glad

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it did, because I you know, but it was just

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it's interesting, and I think there's so much with the

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human that we just don't understand.

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Speaker 3: Right, And that's it's funny we say wo wo yeah,

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because it's because we can't explain it. We can well, no,

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because we can't explain it. And I was typing this

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conversation with my class the other day too, right that

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sometimes the first people to say this is wu wu

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are the first people to line up for communion? Yes, yes, Yes,

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it's it's really tough sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god, that is so fantastic that you

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, I'm I grew up Catholic, no,

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I guess, and so I have. And for me, I

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try to make sense of and I feel like there's

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connection between some of the things I learned growing up,

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as you know, in a religious household, and some of

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the things I'm learning now about you know, quantum you know,

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quantum biophysics, yes, and things like that. That's one of

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the things that makes this tough, right, is in one

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of the reasons why I think people a lot of

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people stay away from it. You know, doctor McGinnis is

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a great example, right he Uh you know, I think

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has faced a lot of you know, discouragement from pursuing

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that that research in his career.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's because there's stigma around it. People see

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it as woo wooh, and it's it's it's almost like UFOs, right,

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going on, right, but there's also a whole bunch of

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misinformation and and just bullshit, right and so and it's

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00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,799
really hard to parse out, you know, what's what's legitimate

476
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,920
and what's and what's not right. And there's certainly, you know,

477
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,880
there's there's healers, people like doctor Deep who I I

478
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,039
at least believe that he absolutely has full confidence that

479
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,519
he's doing what he thinks he's doing, and I've seen

480
00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:08,640
him do some amazing things. But then there's also snake

481
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,279
oil salesman out there, right. There are kind of that

482
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,039
make it hard for a lot of people to accept that.

483
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,319
Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, I think you're You're absolutely right.

484
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,400
I think that there are there are people that take advantage.

485
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,000
I think that there are people who can truly channel,

486
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,319
and I think there are people that are Charlatan channel

487
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,799
and telling you what you want to hear or whatever,

488
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,599
and so that gives it a bad name. But what

489
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,680
I was thinking back to is as you talked about,

490
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,519
you know, the aliens and the UFOs and this sort

491
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,519
of thing, and yet we don't bat an eye. And

492
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,559
this will sound very accusatory, maybe almost mockery to a

493
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:55,680
man who says I'm going to dedicate my life, I'm

494
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,200
never gonna get married, I'm gonna wear these robes. And

495
00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:02,119
then we had a problem of hind cag men right

496
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,839
inside of such. I just feel like that whole message

497
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,960
got so controlled. It was a way to control other

498
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,680
people and not let things be of free will so much,

499
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:15,799
and run.

500
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Speaker 3: Of those people get in the way. Yeah, and that's

501
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:22,720
it's this isn't about the self, right, And for the

502
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,960
people who really who I really trust and listen to

503
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,160
who talk about this kind of stuff. They don't believe

504
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,319
that there is a self. Yes, you know that there's

505
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,839
I forget who it was who suggested that that dogs

506
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,720
have a lower level of consciousness because they don't recognize

507
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,200
themselves in the mirror. And I always suggest the opposite,

508
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,240
right like that, I think dogs have a higher because

509
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,960
they don't recognize themselves in the mirror because they know

510
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
it's not about them, it's about every It's it's about

511
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,200
their connection to everything around That's very interesting.

512
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting it's it is the connection to

513
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:59,680
everything around them. And you see, uh, I would say,

514
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,240
even and with other people will tell you that the

515
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,880
human mind is only capable of so much. So any inspiration,

516
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:10,720
any anything is coming from a higher consciousness which anyone

517
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,599
can tap into and is there for everybody, and you

518
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,400
can have anything you want as long as you believe it.

519
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,240
And that's where I think we trip up as human beings,

520
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:23,160
because we go yeah, right, okay, all right, yeah, I

521
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,480
got it. I got it that one of maserati out here,

522
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:26,039
you know what I mean.

523
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:28,599
Speaker 3: That isn't for me, but it's easy to say if

524
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,359
you don't get it, it's easy for someone to say,

525
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,599
well it wasn't your time. Yes, you get it when

526
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,000
you get it when you're supposed to get.

527
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,319
Speaker 2: It, right. But we use the term with religion faith, yes,

528
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,440
and we won't use it in the secular world as

529
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:43,839
much because we use it as a religious term. But

530
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,400
I think you gotta have that or whatever that is.

531
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,839
I mean, Eric Clapton had the band blind Faith. Uh,

532
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,720
you know what I mean. You got to almost take

533
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,920
that leap and trust that it's there. And I think

534
00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,400
that you are so unconditionally loved by the universe source

535
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:05,279
God that whatever you believe, they will support.

536
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've and we've talked about that in our group, right,

537
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,119
like we in the universe wants us to do well

538
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,359
because we are the universe, right. I would actually my

539
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,720
favorite Roomy quote quote is you know, we're not a

540
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,200
drop in the ocean where the entire ocean drop. Ye

541
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:25,200
quote is a roomy it's an Indian philosopher, but it's

542
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,960
we aren't the entire We aren't a drop in the

543
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,680
ocean where the entire ocean and a drop. And I

544
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,319
really do believe that. I think that that's that's where

545
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,559
this is at. Again. The problem is people can take

546
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,720
that in their own ways add language to it and

547
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,279
and uh, add ego to it and and that's when

548
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:47,319
it becomes hard to believe sometimes and maybe legitimately woo woo.

549
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we take a moment. I do have

550
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,720
some questions for you, just general psychological questions almost about

551
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:01,319
modern day things and mental health that I think that

552
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,720
a lot of people struggle with. And I would love

553
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:07,680
to hear some of the quotes. I do want to

554
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,440
talk to you a little bit about Benson Boone and

555
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,240
we'll see where it kind of goes from there, go

556
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,559
to S's great to see you.

557
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 3: To speed up. I've got another beard. Oh my apologies,

558
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,279
I'll for you another one.

559
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Speaker 2: I'm a volume. That's terrible. It's terrible. This is why

560
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:25,400
I end up in problems.

561
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Speaker 3: Uh.

562
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Speaker 2: We will take a moment and be right back feeling stressed, anxious,

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Speaker 4: Beyond the sweat. I talking to your for Sony Shue noise,

601
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so it's not all of the nice side spent. And

602
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then what days cons ten.

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Speaker 2: Something about Benson Boone's voice that I just I really

604
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,640
like that. It's I guess I've always been more singer songwriter,

605
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:15,160
and I suppose he exudes that somewhat somewhat.

606
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: He writes, I think he participates in writing his songs. Yeah,

607
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,559
when he made a joke at the concert, there's a

608
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,039
lyric in one of his new songs Moon Moonbeam ice Cream.

609
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,920
So the song is kind of like poppy and they've

610
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,559
been catching some flag for it because people said that

611
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,720
he kind of sold out with it. And I think

612
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
it was on Jimmy Fallon and they talked about it

613
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,440
and they ended up eating like a gallon of some

614
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,880
company named their ice cream Moon being ice cream, Benson Boone.

615
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,839
He made some jokes about it on the concert. He said,

616
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,880
he said, if you see me and Fanlon the other night,

617
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160
you may you may know that we talked about moon

618
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,200
by night being ice cream. I don't know what it means.

619
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,799
You don't know what it means. He said, it really

620
00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:58,359
doesn't matter.

621
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,039
Speaker 2: Leave it alone.

622
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,359
Speaker 3: He was actually hilarious during the concert.

623
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,119
Speaker 2: He seems to have a real good personality.

624
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: Oh, he was great. I was so I brought I

625
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,599
was telling you I brought a friend who had never

626
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,480
heard him before, and he left saying that he was

627
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:09,799
a fan.

628
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.

629
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: At one point he did that whole thing where someone

630
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,960
threw their phone up on the stage, and uh, so

631
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,279
he grabbed the phone and they made a joke. Oh

632
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,759
and she's got snapchat and started, you know, snapchatting her

633
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,119
friends and saying things. Uh. And then he you know,

634
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,799
he's got a song called pretty Slowly, and she was wasted,

635
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,400
I guess. And so he handed the phone back to

636
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,440
her and he said, so there you go. Take that.

637
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,839
He goes in and drive home pretty slowly. So now

638
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,319
I'm going to sing pretty slowly, which is how is

639
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,680
how you should get home tonight?

640
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: That is that's really funny, Uh, doctor Rice. The I

641
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,400
always think it's very interested to sing the path. People

642
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,279
go like, what what took you the academic to keep

643
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:59,160
going on the on the mental health and the doctory program,

644
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,319
Because that's that's a lot of work, man, And that's

645
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,680
a lot of work. And I will tell you, having

646
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:07,279
done what I'm not their mind. Let's that's not right.

647
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,799
But it's more physical than writing a paper at times,

648
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,880
is more exhausting than building a brick wall.

649
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,279
Speaker 3: It's a different kind of Yeah.

650
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,359
Speaker 2: I mean, is it really can train you?

651
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: It can, I think mainly because of you know, the

652
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,799
the rewrites and you know, being able to accept feedback

653
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:31,279
and things like that.

654
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:31,519
Speaker 2: Right.

655
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: That's the difference between I think writing something and building

656
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,440
a brick wall. Right, you build a brick wall, you

657
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,799
can get all this energy out. You can stand back

658
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,599
and you can look at it and you can admire what, right,

659
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,519
And you know no one's gonna come and say, oh,

660
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:44,039
you put that brick in the wrong place and put

661
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,039
a different brick in there. Right, I'm writing. It's like

662
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:48,960
you build that brick wall, and then you got to

663
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,920
knock it down, and then you build again, and then

664
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,759
someone comes over and points something out and you got

665
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,680
to knock it down, and then over time you're just

666
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:57,839
knocking down little parts and rebuilding those, right. But and

667
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,559
so yeah, I think that's for me probably the difference

668
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:03,160
between writing and building a brick wall. And I think

669
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,319
I said on here before you know it's it's also

670
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,440
a way of just sharpening your tools, right, yeah, twenty

671
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,519
five percent of the time, twenty five We got to

672
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:13,759
one of my mentors, doctor McCabe, who you know, is

673
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,319
a woodworker, and he suggests that no matter you know,

674
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,720
what we want to do, if it's meaningful, we should

675
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,240
dedicate twenty five percent of our time to sharpening our tools,

676
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,480
which basically means, you know, we're not going to get

677
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,000
you know, one hundred percent productivity out of you know,

678
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,480
out of a day, right, we're going to go you know,

679
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,079
twenty five percent of that was sharpening our tools and

680
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,880
helping us do what we need to do. And that's okay, right,

681
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,119
they were not going to do the other seventy five

682
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,880
percent really well unless we dedicate that twenty five percent

683
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,640
to sharpening.

684
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: I think that's yes, I've heard him say that, and

685
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,720
I think that it's very true and something that many

686
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,440
times we don't do. So sitting in the practice of

687
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:59,279
whatever it is, you know, even exercise or meditation, all

688
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:03,200
of it is sharpening your tools, your body or whatever.

689
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: The results, right, yes, yes, the results You've got to

690
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,320
If you're not seeing results, then it's you gotta make

691
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,119
sense of it somehow.

692
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: But I've been impressed because I remember saying to you,

693
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,599
how are you doing all this?

694
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: And he said to me, I don't watch TV.

695
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just go and do it. And

696
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,880
I was asked for an intention for the healing that

697
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,760
I had, and I said, I want to have a

698
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,000
follow her. That's what I want follow her. And it

699
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:36,840
made me think of you because I go boy, doctor

700
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,920
rig I mean everything from your daughter is an elite athlete,

701
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,400
which he just.

702
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:48,519
Speaker 3: Picked for just Thursday. She got she's the only kid

703
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,239
in Western New York to make it to the US

704
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,400
and the nationals for USA field hockey. So there's a

705
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,800
one hundred and thirteen girls from around the whole country

706
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,800
who got chosen for this. It's in Virginia Beach and

707
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,679
lie and twenty seven of them will end up being

708
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,800
on the US national team.

709
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the US national team is this the

710
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:11,400
the Olympic team or potentially or is this the under

711
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:12,400
like a certain.

712
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,079
Speaker 3: But I think they it changes every year, right, and

713
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:17,679
so some of the girls would would be potentially on

714
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,960
the Olympics. You know, my daughter's young right now, she's

715
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,440
only sixteen. Yeah, but it's that's it's that's the pathway.

716
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,599
This is the Yeah, you know, you get to nationals,

717
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,760
you make it and then it's incredible. Yeah, I'm so,

718
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,480
it's so cool.

719
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: It's how did she how did that come about?

720
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: She grew up playing ice hockey. So at some point

721
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,400
I got to talk to Kevin and I respect him

722
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,119
so much as a as a hockey daffy.

723
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: Today, Saint Lawrence university.

724
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 3: Maybe that's where my oldest daughter goes.

725
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

726
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,039
Speaker 3: It's a great hockey program. And yeah, I respect any

727
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,000
hockey parent. It's a lot of a lot, a lot

728
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:50,519
of work, a lot of travel.

729
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,559
Speaker 2: But I mean she started, yeah.

730
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, she started playing ice hockey and then that kind

731
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,519
of she learned how to play really fast. And then

732
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,880
once she started playing field hockey, it was just kind

733
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,400
of comically good because she was used to playing on

734
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,639
the ice and now everything was moving slow for her,

735
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,800
and so it's so much fun, so much fun to watch.

736
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: I love it. She uh wow. And then she's going

737
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,840
college on yep.

738
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,639
Speaker 3: Yep, she's going well, she's going to Wagner, which is

739
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,679
so now I got to talk to Doug yep, because

740
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,320
he went to Wagner. When I listened to the podcast Wrestler,

741
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,679
I'm like, oh my god, I got to talk to

742
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,039
that guy for that. Yeah, I gotta get Dougs in president.

743
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,199
So she's going to Wagner. Played d one field hockey,

744
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,280
and yeah.

745
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,599
Speaker 2: It goes amazing.

746
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's man, the process is ridiculous. I feel something again.

747
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,039
You know, you've got famous and a freshman right now.

748
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,880
I know he got some aspirations around basketball. You know,

749
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320
it's not too early to really start thinking about these things.

750
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,719
You know, we probably were a year late getting avas

751
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,800
started in the recruiting process. Uh, you know, the the

752
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,800
D one programs are their kids are committing in their

753
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,000
front their sophomore year.

754
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: I think I just read a separate a young man

755
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,599
from Monroe High School. I think he's a junior committed

756
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:10,440
to Oregon football.

757
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: I saw that on Yeah, I saw it on prime

758
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,719
time on their primetime five five Instagram feed.

759
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Kids like, why that's impressive, but you have another

760
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:21,519
year of high school. Yeah.

761
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:25,519
Speaker 3: Well, mean, actually it's late to commit to his school

762
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,840
like Oregon. You know, a lot of I'm going to

763
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,239
guess that he was one of their last commits because

764
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,719
a lot most big D one programs now the kids

765
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,960
are committing their sophomore year. Wow, it's crazy. Yeah, it

766
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,280
doesn't seem right right, Like, you.

767
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,639
Speaker 2: Know, it doesn't usually time to develop. Yeah, and you know,

768
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:46,119
all of a sudden, somebody shoots up and I don't

769
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:50,760
know for sure. Yeah, yeah, it so this has got

770
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,880
to be a big deal in the family for everybody.

771
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,119
It's exciting, I think, I mean, to me, it's it's

772
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,079
amazing and I I love that you. I love your

773
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:04,360
enthusiasm with it, your post and you've been along for

774
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,440
the ride. You've really been the passenger in this. But

775
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:08,840
it's giving us all a view of it.

776
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 3: It's the greatest. I'm a equipment manager, yeah, and it's

777
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,480
it's the greatest. And I'm probably the last person she

778
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,800
wants to hear from, but you know, I have those

779
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,039
rare moments where she wants to know what I think

780
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:21,960
about something and I just did just Uh, It's it's fantastic.

781
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,039
I've got three daughters and they're all super different.

782
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: You know.

783
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,079
Speaker 3: My oldest is a you know, mountaineer. She's guiding this

784
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,679
summer in the Adirondock. She's living on a in a

785
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,519
in a yurt on an island for the fall semester.

786
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:37,079
Instead of studying abroad, she's going and living on an

787
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:38,840
island in a yurt for the whole semester, and her

788
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,400
professors will paddle out to her, you know, each week.

789
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,280
What Yeah, where Saint Lawrence University?

790
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and then yeah, what time of years is

791
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:51,480
this in the fall? Yeah? I know.

792
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: And there's no showers, there's no running water, there's no

793
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,400
electricity that there she's it's uh, it's badass. I'm so impressed.

794
00:38:59,599 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

795
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, ok, I'm jealous and kind of like amazed that

796
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,480
she would want to do this, but yes she does.

797
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,360
And then you know, Ava's the field hockey player. And

798
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,039
then I had a twelve year old who's you know,

799
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,440
a puppy parent at the moment.

800
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,159
Speaker 2: That's great, Yes, he knew puppy in the house. Yeah. Yeah.

801
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: A lot of questionable decisions happening this spring.

802
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,519
Speaker 2: That's all right. It makes it all fun, It makes

803
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:25,320
it interesting, interesting for sure. So you with your daughters,

804
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,239
and then I know you you see a lot of

805
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,960
youth through mindfit gym. Yeah.

806
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: So mindfit is my private practice. And I love the name,

807
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,039
by the way, I appreciate that.

808
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: Only because I think that is absolutely the best way

809
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:41,400
to look at mental health.

810
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 3: Well that was the original idea, right, and it's still

811
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,559
somewhere there in my mind. And you and I are

812
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,519
in a similar place in life, and that we've I

813
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,320
think you feel kind of the time clock taking right.

814
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I said that. The other day. I go,

815
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,480
if there's if the average human lives to seventy eight

816
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,639
in America, and I got twenty four years left. I

817
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,880
gotta get moving, yep.

818
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's motivation and this is all that.

819
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:06,800
The idea for Mindfit came about about ten years ago,

820
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,960
and what I really wanted to do is I wanted

821
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,199
to essentially create a gym for mental health. And so

822
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,760
the idea I see a lot of people who are neurodivergent,

823
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,440
people on the autism spectrum, and I use a lot

824
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,199
of like biofeedback and neurofeedback and that type of technology

825
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,719
and my work video game stuff, and so I wanted

826
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,480
to create a space where we would have all that

827
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,679
technology available, you know, stations for positive thinking, stations for mindfulness,

828
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,280
stations for biofeedback, things like that, just like you'd see

829
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,760
you know, stations for different you know, muscle groups in

830
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,880
a gym, and then have interns from Saint John Fisher,

831
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,239
you know, essentially play the role of trainer. And then

832
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,239
instead of having a like you come to an appointment

833
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,199
and you know, talk about your problems type model, right,

834
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,639
we would have sure, sure you could access individual group

835
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,719
or group of counseling. But once you feel like you've

836
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,880
got the what you need, we can provide the biofeedback

837
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,320
te technology. We can provide, you know, the tools that

838
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,639
you need to come in and practice that on your own.

839
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,360
And so like a gym, you would come in and

840
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,320
use your membership and there might be a class going

841
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,000
one day on mindfulness that you could participate in if

842
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,480
you remember. And so yeah, that's still the kind of

843
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,599
vision is that we would have essentially a gym for

844
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:21,159
mental health.

845
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: I love it because I do think that I don't know.

846
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,000
If we look at you hear a lot about mental

847
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:38,679
health awareness, But what's the next step beyond awareness the

848
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,360
society needs to know about. And that's the stuff that

849
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,199
I because here's why often I'll hear things that would

850
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,880
fall into mental health. It's my anxiety, but it's said

851
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,079
in a glib way like you know, almost as though

852
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,840
I you know, And I thought, how do you make

853
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:04,679
meaningful change in those areas when I don't know that

854
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,960
we fully grasp or understand what mental health is. And

855
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,159
just like your body, if you're not going to the gym, slowly,

856
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,719
you gain the weight and you get out of shape

857
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,719
and you can't lift as much, and you can't because

858
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,280
you're not exercising those muscles. And that's why I love

859
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,480
the idea of the mind fit gym. But what in

860
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,559
mental health? How do we kind of change that with everybody?

861
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think part of it's the words we use. Right.

862
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,960
I don't even I don't even love. I don't love

863
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,400
the term mental health issues. Right, it's it's mental illness.

864
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Let's call it what it is. Right, you mentioned anxiety

865
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,960
when you When I teach anxiety how to work with

866
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,519
anxiety to my graduate students and fisher, the first thing

867
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:50,519
I do is I have them, you know, get in

868
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,159
groups and come up with a sentence without using Google

869
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,719
that they can all agree on a one sentence definition

870
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,840
of anxiety, right, and and nine out of ten times

871
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,000
that definition is something like, you know, excessive worry that

872
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:08,280
causes you know, pain, and you know it makes it

873
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,679
hard to do the things you need to do. And

874
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,920
you're like, you know, it's all sorts of really problem

875
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:16,840
based ideas. And I know that I'm doing this when

876
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,760
I when I ask them to do this activity, but

877
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,360
I'm really catching them to remind them, Hey, I know

878
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,119
you've been in school to learn about mental illness all

879
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:26,639
this time, and how to treat mental illness. Anxiety isn't

880
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,920
a mental illness. We need anxiety anxiety is super important, right,

881
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,920
And I work with athletes, you know, when we talk

882
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,360
about anxiety and how to manage anxiety, right, that's where

883
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,880
we start with the kind of the definition of that word.

884
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:40,159
Speaker 2: Right.

885
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,559
Speaker 3: You know, most athletes will say, well, anxiety is what

886
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,400
you know, is what prevents It's what makes me think

887
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,800
that I can't do something or perfects me from doing

888
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,400
what I want to be.

889
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 2: Able to do.

890
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,119
Speaker 3: Right, And I said, no, No, anxiety means that you care, right,

891
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:53,880
and what would you rather be doing than something you

892
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,599
care about? Right? And if you can really reframe it

893
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,199
that way, right, like, remember, okay, I'm feeling this way,

894
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,239
name it right, I'm feeling this way because I care, right,

895
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,039
Rename it this is because I care, right, And then

896
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,119
remind yourself what would I rather be doing right now

897
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:10,599
than something I care about? It's great, yeah, right?

898
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: But sometimes it is that simple switch. And I think

899
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:20,800
sometimes when you say I think mental health is easier

900
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,519
for people to digest than mental illness, yeah right, because

901
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,360
I can't be mentally ill, right, So why would you

902
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,719
say that? And I do think that there are things

903
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,519
like depression, where does that fall? Would that be mental illness?

904
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,440
And is there such a thing as mild versus severe

905
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:40,920
and where where does it fall on there?

906
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: And I think, great example, Yeah, yeah, well in their sadness, yes, right, right, right,

907
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,280
And you know there's reactive depression, right, you get you grief,

908
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,320
you grieve after something, you lose someone important to you, right,

909
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,000
And so yes, yeah, I agree with you. I think

910
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,719
that there's a lot of still you know, we say

911
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,639
mental health awareness, and maybe the next step is to

912
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,719
build some more refined awareness around these concepts and these ideas,

913
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,079
because I think people put things like depression and anxiety

914
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:12,800
all in one bucket and they're really not they're not.

915
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,719
Depression is adaptive. Right. The reason why we stay in

916
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,119
our room and and don't want to do the things

917
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:19,800
we normally want to do and things like that when

918
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,199
we're depressed is because our body is telling ourselves it's

919
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,719
not safe for you to go out right now, right,

920
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,880
it's not it And so it certainly can't be like

921
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,480
that forever. You're going to lose your job.

922
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: Right.

923
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: But but there's there's reasons why we have these emotions,

924
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,559
and if we can name them, and if we can

925
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,079
recognize that these things all exist on a spectrum, then

926
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,679
I think that that goes a long way.

927
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,119
Speaker 2: It does.

928
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: I was talking to you about externalization, right, and the

929
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,840
idea that you know, really from my perspective a good.

930
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:52,000
So I practice narrative therapy is my primary approach. I

931
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,400
use a lot of CBT in the first step in

932
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:58,280
either of those approaches is to externalize the problem, right,

933
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,480
and that would include things like anxiety or any diagnosis

934
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:02,400
that we might give someone.

935
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:02,599
Speaker 2: Right.

936
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 3: And so when as soon as I the problem comes

937
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
up in therapy, for me, I'm no longer even looking

938
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:09,920
at the person when I talk about the problem. I'm

939
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,960
looking I'm looking next to them, as if the problem

940
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,320
is sitting there next to them, right, Because that's going

941
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,559
to force me to change my language. So now instead

942
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:18,760
of saying, you know, when you're anxious, I'm going to

943
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,559
say when anxiety is around, right, because anxiety has become

944
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,039
another character in your story.

945
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: And by doing that, it's.

946
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,159
Speaker 3: It's not defining you, it's not becoming part of your identity.

947
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,079
And maybe even more importantly, because I work with kids, right,

948
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,320
it allows you know, the parents to unite with the

949
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,559
child against the problem.

950
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: Right.

951
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,559
Speaker 3: And so now we're together looking at the problem, examining

952
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,440
it effectively. Instead of the child feeling like, you know,

953
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,519
the problem exists within them and anything that someone tells

954
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,320
them is going to be you know, approach with judgment

955
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,840
because they're going to feel judged.

956
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: Wow, that's really really insightful.

957
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,039
Speaker 3: It's really sure it's common therapy techniques.

958
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:01,159
Speaker 2: No, but I don't know if they are. I have

959
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,320
no idea. What don't know. But yeah, that's what I'm saying.

960
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,039
Is like, and it's it's amazing to me. But I

961
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,400
just feel like mental health has become a buzzword.

962
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:10,679
Speaker 3: It is mindfulness.

963
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, mindfulness, And I would say that you have

964
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,719
to do I think that's the real work in life.

965
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,880
Not so much of the mindfulness but maybe. But the

966
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:29,039
real work is the idea that I'm going to look

967
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,679
away from the problem and focus on something that's going well.

968
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,280
And when I do that, I feel better and my

969
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,320
mental health is better.

970
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,119
Speaker 3: And never say that all the time, right, focus on

971
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:39,320
the better feeling thought, Well, the.

972
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:45,639
Speaker 2: Better feeling thought. Yes, I even sometimes I often sometimes

973
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,159
go Okay, easy to say, right, but I could have

974
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,639
four things going well, one going bad. If I focus

975
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,000
on the one going bad, everything goes right in the shitter.

976
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,039
So how do I keep it this way? And sometimes

977
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,639
I think like that's where I often believe that we

978
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,199
have misinterpreted Jesus. And the idea of turn the other

979
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,840
cheek was to turn away from focusing on the problem

980
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,800
and let's focus over here. And you almost like sometimes

981
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,119
if you, even if you hurt yourself, if you start

982
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,159
to think of something else, it goes away. Or a child,

983
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,679
you try to distract the child from whatever just happened,

984
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,039
and they're laughing and running and playing and within seconds

985
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:30,079
versus five minutes of crying over something that really wasn't And.

986
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're ignoring the problem either, right, No, No,

987
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,960
when you know, when I start, I don't even talk

988
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,960
about a problem. In therapy, usually into late in the

989
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,880
first session, we're spending a lot of time talking about

990
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,599
strengths and things and interest and strengths and things like.

991
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: That just show you all the good stuff.

992
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,679
Speaker 3: And actually there's research that says that you learn more

993
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,360
about someone's problems if you ask about their strengths. Right,

994
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,119
if you ask someone about their strengths, they're gonna have

995
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,880
a hard time. They're gonna start to talk about it.

996
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,440
They're gonna say, I like to do this, but you know,

997
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:56,079
anxiety gets on the way and I can't, right, and

998
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:59,639
they're gonna oftentimes be more open to and more you know,

999
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,719
uh forth right with what they're you know, with the

1000
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,840
problems are if you're asking them about their strengths, because

1001
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,719
they're you know, you're at that point you're not the

1002
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,679
expert judging them. You're you're someone who's trying to understand

1003
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,039
them as a person. Right, And so the research is

1004
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,320
pretty clear that you can actually learn more about someone's

1005
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,079
problems by asking them about their strengths. And then there's

1006
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:23,159
another narrative therapy technique called reauthoring, which is essentially shining

1007
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:25,559
a light on moments of competence and asking people what

1008
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:26,159
they notice.

1009
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: Right.

1010
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,519
Speaker 3: And so you're not ignoring the problem, right, You're you're

1011
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,199
focusing on an example outside of the problem.

1012
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1013
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: If someone's late all the time and they show up

1014
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,800
one day on time, then spend a lot of time

1015
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,440
talking about that, right, like, how'd you do at that time?

1016
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:40,920
That's awesome? How'd you get here on time? What did

1017
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,559
you change about?

1018
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: Right?

1019
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: Really, instead of focusing on how come you're late all

1020
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,239
the time?

1021
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,159
Speaker 2: Right? And this one time exactly.

1022
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: Right, because it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Right, You

1023
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,800
know what, kids live up to our expectations. We live

1024
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,719
up to the expectations that we have for ourselves. I

1025
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,880
was telling you about some really cool research that looks

1026
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480
at free will that I learned about recently. I have

1027
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,199
one of my clients, his father is probably got the

1028
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,039
coolest job I've ever heard. It's it's a neuroscience philosopher

1029
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,920
and amazing teaches neuroscience philosophy at our I T And

1030
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,119
so he talks about, you know, the origins of consciousness

1031
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:20,880
and all that kind of stuff that that that we

1032
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,239
talk about in group and think that we're understanding at

1033
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,039
the higher level. And you do, You're you're right in there.

1034
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,400
And and see, he shared with me some really cool

1035
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,360
research around free will. And they've done some studies where

1036
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,440
they've examined people's you know, hooked people up to EEG

1037
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:42,440
monitors and they looked at their brain activity while giving

1038
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,880
them certain tasks or things like that, and consistently there's

1039
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,719
brain activity in an area suggesting that they're going to

1040
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,840
do something before they actually become consciously aware that it's

1041
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,159
something that they might do. Right, And so the evidence

1042
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,639
says that our brain, something in our brain is happening

1043
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,800
before we make any decision, before we're any consciously aware

1044
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,760
of any decision. Right as if you know, as we

1045
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,679
talk about sometimes, you know, there's this universal consciousness that's

1046
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,360
feeding us, right, and so from that perspective, there is

1047
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:20,000
no free will. But there's also you know, a strong

1048
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,960
evidence that once that we can say no.

1049
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: Right.

1050
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,199
Speaker 3: So once that impulse, once we are urged to do something,

1051
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,119
we can say, you know, by the universe, we can

1052
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:31,800
say no, I'm not going to do that, right, And

1053
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,800
so there's no free will, but there is free won't.

1054
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that because I've never thought of it

1055
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,320
that way. But you're right because everybody, not everybody, but

1056
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,440
people will tell you tap into the higher consciousness. There

1057
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,119
are people who say the human brain is incapable of

1058
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:53,840
whatever kind of thoughts. Don't get mad at yourself or

1059
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,199
feeling this way, but try to tap in to the

1060
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,760
higher self, the higher conscious software.

1061
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,519
Speaker 3: Right where the heart where the higher consciousness.

1062
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,679
Speaker 2: Yes, and those are where inspiration comes from. That's where

1063
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,519
all these great ideas are. And I mean you need to, yeah,

1064
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:13,239
you need to be the follow through for that stuff.

1065
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,840
And it's it's a different I think you say that

1066
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,199
to enough people on the street, though, think'll have you

1067
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,559
locked up again right away, real fast, going. That guy's

1068
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,760
gonna be almost in a week, you know. And it

1069
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,840
bothers me because I think, boy, I think we've been

1070
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,440
taught wrong. I think meaning well, but I think taught

1071
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:38,960
wrong yea.

1072
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,519
Speaker 3: And I mean the end we've we're always doing our best, right, yes,

1073
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,760
you know you know how many meaning a couple hundred

1074
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,480
years ago, we were drilling holes in people's heads to

1075
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,320
let the demons. I know, I just saw an article

1076
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,519
about that was the thing to do, and we were

1077
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:55,280
doing our best at the time. We were trying to

1078
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,199
help people right. But now, like I and I believe

1079
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,639
fifty years from now, we're going to look at the

1080
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:01,719
medicine that we're using now the same way we looked

1081
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,480
at drill and holes in people's heads to let the

1082
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:04,000
demons up.

1083
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it is it is interesting today. Also, I

1084
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:14,519
really feel like this may be the biggest impact on

1085
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,280
mental health today. Is our hyper connectivity? Yeah, I mean

1086
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,079
we are hyper connective in the world. And what do

1087
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:27,880
you see as the most underestimated psychological challenge people face?

1088
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,239
And is there a way to build resilience against it?

1089
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: As it pertains to well, I would.

1090
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: Say the hyper connected digital world. The hyper connected digital

1091
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,159
world meaning everything from FaceTime to whatever. I mean, I

1092
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,039
can see, I can see anything I want to see

1093
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,920
in my hand right now. And I'm not sure that

1094
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:52,440
that is a good thing.

1095
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like anything, right, Like, there's probably there's two

1096
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,360
sides to that coin. I don't know. I don't think

1097
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,119
I think of any one tries to tell you they

1098
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:07,039
know what the you know, the harmful effects of are

1099
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,480
being so connected to technology are? I think that I

1100
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,159
don't think anybody knows. I think from my perspective, anything

1101
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:20,079
that pulls you from nature is concerning, right, And so

1102
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,599
if there's and that doesn't mean that being connected to

1103
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:27,639
technology precludes you from being connected to nature, right. There

1104
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,719
is clear evidence. And there's a guy named Richard lou

1105
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,719
who wrote a book called The Last Child in the Woods,

1106
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,440
really good book that reviews all the literature that looks

1107
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,679
at the relationship between nature and development. And there's clearly

1108
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:43,239
evidence to suggest that, you know, kids who don't have

1109
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:47,159
as much exposure to nature don't develop in the same

1110
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,760
way as kids who do, and oftentimes end up with

1111
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,400
issues around focus and anxiety and depression. And things like that.

1112
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,000
There's actually a movement right now in Australia to create

1113
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:01,800
a new diagnosis called nature deficit disorder, which would be

1114
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,599
used as an alternative to attention deficit disorder for kids

1115
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,280
who we we think their their issues with focus could

1116
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,639
be attributed to to you know, lack of exposure to nature.

1117
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,519
And so for me, I'm concerned about that. I'm concerned about, uh,

1118
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,440
not being as connected to our natural world as we

1119
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,440
need to be because we're we are, like we started

1120
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,360
this whole podcast, right, We're it's not just that we're connected.

1121
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,480
We're connected to everything.

1122
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1123
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:31,519
Speaker 3: Right, there's quantum and that's you know, from a non

1124
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:34,760
woo woo, more scientific perspective, right, you know, there's you know,

1125
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,719
some cool quantum stuff going on around us, right, and

1126
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,840
we know from research that you know, our quantum connection

1127
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,400
to things like trees and nature is important. Uh, And

1128
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:48,119
so that's what worries me about, you know, our connection

1129
00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:50,719
to technology is that it pulls us away from some

1130
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,199
of those things that are just inherently you know, healthy

1131
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,960
and important for us, especially during.

1132
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,639
Speaker 2: Development zert development excuse me and things. Do you see

1133
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:08,880
the hyperconnectivity, but maybe constant exposure to I don't know,

1134
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,760
the grass is greener over here. I want this. I

1135
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,079
wish it could have affecting self esteem.

1136
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: Dopamine, right, yeah, dopamine hits. Right, there's that, It's it's

1137
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,920
every time, and so I sure, I'm sure that there's

1138
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,880
some of that. Right, there's the I'm sure I look

1139
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,079
a lot, you know, happier and more successful on my

1140
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:33,719
social media profile than I really am. Right, and then

1141
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,840
when you see that, you know, constantly all day long

1142
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,480
and your friends and other people, then you know, I'm

1143
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,360
sure it has the tendency to make you feel not

1144
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:47,519
great about yourself. Again, that's not my main concern. Yeah,

1145
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:50,199
but I do think that, you know, you do get

1146
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,480
these dopamine hits from getting likes and stuff like that.

1147
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:55,960
And there's more, there's research that says that there's a

1148
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,639
problem that that's problematic as well.

1149
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always think that if you can help someone

1150
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:07,320
get their self worth from within than without that, Boy,

1151
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,440
that's hard in this world.

1152
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: Maybe the most important thing about you know, that's.

1153
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:17,199
Speaker 2: That's that's things like you writing the book and then hey,

1154
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,239
now I feel like I could write another book. That

1155
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,039
to me is the real self esteem stuff. But then

1156
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:28,039
I read research that says self compassion is more important

1157
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:32,440
than self esteem. Uh well, so let me say, let

1158
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,719
me maybe I should say change the words over They

1159
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,480
would put self compassion over self esteem in terms of

1160
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:44,960
the overall mental health balance. Yeah, so that I don't know.

1161
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,239
Speaker 3: I don't know either. What I like about the idea

1162
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,679
of self compassion is you're allowing for mistakes, You're allowing

1163
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,360
for uh imperfection, right, and you're you're you're giving yourself.

1164
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: More in a world that rewards perfection, right, right.

1165
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,599
Speaker 3: So the the self compassions you know, addressing right, Whereas

1166
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:07,679
you know, self esteem I suppose could get away from

1167
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,039
you and it could become at some level narcissisms. So

1168
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:16,400
I like that element of self compassion, but I think

1169
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,519
that they're two different things. And I think that self

1170
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:20,880
esteem and kids is important, you know. And that's my

1171
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,960
criteria for when I have a parent who comes to

1172
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,920
me with a kid who's doctor wants to prescribe them

1173
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,639
a stimulant. Right, my criteria is as to whether or

1174
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:34,000
not they shouldn't they should go with it and take

1175
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,519
the medicine. Is how's the kid self esteem?

1176
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:36,679
Speaker 1: Right?

1177
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,159
Speaker 3: If the kid it feels like they're falling behind, and

1178
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:41,599
everybody's looking at them and they feel bad about themselves

1179
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:43,360
because they know they could do better, but they're just

1180
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,920
trying their best and they're not and it's really hitting

1181
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,039
their self esteem. Then give them the stimulant. It's going

1182
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:51,199
to help. And you know the problems that can happen

1183
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,519
from having a damaged self esteem, you know, during development

1184
00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:56,840
far out out weigh the risks of the stimulant. Right.

1185
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,920
If the kid's fine, if they don't really notice that

1186
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,079
other people are are, you know, performing better than them,

1187
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:05,800
they still got to good self esteem. They seem content, right,

1188
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,880
then hold off. You can always catch up on the

1189
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,000
academic stuff. But you know, stimulant is gonna stunt your growth,

1190
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,440
right and so uh, you know, I'd rather have the kid,

1191
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,840
you know, grow appropriately and then I will catch up

1192
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,480
on the academic stuff as long as their self esteems Okay.

1193
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting because the self esteem is so important,

1194
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:31,199
and yet I feel like so fragile sometimes with young

1195
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:36,159
young people, I mean even people people. I'll put it

1196
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,159
to just people. Adults too.

1197
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,159
Speaker 3: I would have been awful with if we had the

1198
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,880
social media and all the stuff. I would have been

1199
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,960
so fragile. Are you kidding me, like I would have

1200
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:45,679
been a mess.

1201
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: Uh, I would have been I would be right, and

1202
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,159
so we I'm just thinking of this poor girl who

1203
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:01,039
we superposed your face over a cow O shop, not

1204
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:05,119
even photoshops and tigraphy class, and then I and then

1205
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:08,239
somebody hung it in the office window and changed your

1206
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,239
name to cow Yeah, it was horrible that a person

1207
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,800
would probably be sitting across from you, and I just go,

1208
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:19,360
this stuff is terrible. I wouldn't want that done to

1209
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,440
my kids. I wouldn't want that. It happens all the time,

1210
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:25,920
so fast, so fast, we can't even we don't even

1211
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:29,679
know it's it's it's almost impossible for parents to know.

1212
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 3: It's processed information, right, Like we don't want our kids

1213
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,880
to have processed food. This is processed information. Man, that's

1214
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,320
a great the same same ideas.

1215
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,519
Speaker 2: It's uh, well, you wonder why they're in a bad mood.

1216
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:44,880
You wonder why something would happen, and you don't know.

1217
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,480
But sometimes we as adults look at something online. It's

1218
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,719
not affecting us, not in our house. It's not here

1219
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,239
right now, it's not coming through our front door. And

1220
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,000
he had a boy. It just makes us our whole

1221
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:02,039
demeanor changes, mood changes, and we're not pleasant to be around,

1222
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,719
and no one knows why. And everybody's sort of walking

1223
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,039
on eggshells. And that's the stuff that I think is

1224
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:10,519
is bad. And if you can, you know, you hear

1225
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,440
the detox from the phone. I don't know. New York

1226
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,960
State just implemented the no Touch law, where you were

1227
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:18,960
not allowed to touch your phone while behind the wheel,

1228
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:23,000
even at a stop sign. I know many people don't.

1229
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: I have the best excuse. I have Type one diabetes.

1230
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:29,480
You can't and my phone controls my pancreas and so

1231
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,039
and uh, you know I could get out of it.

1232
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:34,719
Speaker 2: I think you could. And any if you're calling nine one,

1233
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,800
one year, okay, But.

1234
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:38,679
Speaker 3: It's it's a good trick at concerts too. I've shown

1235
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:42,199
my Uh, I never get I'm cheap, so I get

1236
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:44,280
lawn seats at CMAC, but everyone's in.

1237
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: A while, they're just everything so expensive. Oh my god.

1238
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: So I think it was the Chris Stapleton concert or

1239
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,440
something like that. We wanted to go into the shell

1240
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:54,840
just for a little bit. I think it might have

1241
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,480
been raining and we wanted to get a closer look,

1242
01:01:57,039 --> 01:01:59,880
and uh, and security came up came up and I

1243
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:01,599
just quickly said, my sugar is really low. I just

1244
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:04,760
can't move, and they said, oh, no problem, sir, stay

1245
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,679
here as long as yeah. Yeah, so yeah, that's every

1246
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:09,039
once in a while. You got to use it when.

1247
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: It's awful every other way, why not use it to

1248
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,639
your advantage. We'll take a moment. I'd love to hear

1249
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:21,400
some of these quotes that AI interpreted and a little

1250
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,960
bit about uh, your last visit with deep sounds good,

1251
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,000
and get to that right after this. Connors and Ferris

1252
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:32,880
handles workers' comp, social security, disability and personal injury cases. Listen,

1253
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,159
I get it. Workers' comp claims can be real pain.

1254
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:39,719
But Connors and Ferris are here to fight for you

1255
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,239
and get you the compensation you deserve. Whether you threw

1256
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,239
out your back on the job, slipped when you should

1257
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,920
a grip, or your boss thinks overtime means free labor. Spoiler,

1258
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,199
it doesn't. They've got your back at Connors and Ferris,

1259
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,920
with offices in New York City, Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo.

1260
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,840
They're the go to team for getting the compation you deserve.

1261
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:06,320
No gimmicks, no nonsense, just real results. Call Connors and

1262
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,360
Ferris two six' two. Comp that's two six' two Comp

1263
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:13,199
for Connors. In ferris have you Been To leo's Bakery

1264
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:15,599
and Deli And east? Rochester, recently oh you got to.

1265
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:18,119
Get there they're open, every day so it's. Very convenient

1266
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,280
it'll satisfy your, sweet tooth your. Sandwich cravings Get. The

1267
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,480
cubano Tell them billified said to Have the, cubano sandwich fresh,

1268
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:30,000
baked bread hand, crafted pastries, deli favorites and Desserts like

1269
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,960
canol's that'll make you rethink your. Self control it's all waiting.

1270
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:38,039
For you so what's the best Thing About? Leo's everything

1271
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,400
check them Out At deskbast Drive In east rochester because

1272
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:44,239
every day is a good Day. For leo's because the

1273
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:54,199
best Thing about leo's. Is everything you've seen? THEM live

1274
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,039
i HAVE not? I have yeah?

1275
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: Is?

1276
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: GREAT yeah i bet do you go? A Lot.

1277
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: As i've, Gotten older i've really grown to appreciate live

1278
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,159
music more. And MORE but i WOULDN'T say i go.

1279
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,679
A lot i. Get out, you know probably three or

1280
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:14,519
four concerts, a season some.

1281
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:17,159
Speaker 2: Pretty, good yeah that's. Pretty good and nowadays that's. An

1282
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:21,480
investment it is. The, cow yeah what HAPPENED to i

1283
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:27,559
remember Like the stones paying damn near a hundred. YEARS

1284
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,679
ago I mean i'm talking like. Early nineties i'm thinking that.

1285
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,280
Was outrageous it's.

1286
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:37,079
Speaker 3: That Live aid ticketmaster deal they got. Going that it's

1287
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,239
everything ends up. Being aftermarket you've tried to go on

1288
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:42,800
and buy, the tickets they've got bots buying all the

1289
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:46,159
all the tickets up before you can. Buy them i've

1290
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,199
actually learned that if someone's Playing, in canada go. Up

1291
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:50,000
there it's going to be half.

1292
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:50,079
Speaker 2: The.

1293
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:53,639
Speaker 3: Price really, oh yeah we did that, last year Went,

1294
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:57,480
to ocega which Is in Montreal. And sowerful, it's Great

1295
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:00,639
soa noakan there and it was it was paid like

1296
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,159
one hundred bucks for Tickets. For noakhan there were four hundred.

1297
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:03,880
Everywhere else oh. My.

1298
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:08,199
Speaker 2: Gosh. Wow yeah and a lot of. TIMES too i

1299
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,119
will tell, people THAT and i don't know what it

1300
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,719
does to the, ticket price but day of they'll release

1301
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,119
the friends and family usually because they always. Hold back

1302
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:19,920
and THAT'S how i got great seats to hauling, oats

1303
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:21,360
right because somebody knew.

1304
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 3: The drummer sometimes if you're willing to take, the risk

1305
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:25,760
That's my THAT'S what i do For the. Bills games,

1306
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,880
BILLS games i Don't even we go and. We plant

1307
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,039
we figure we might not get into, the game but

1308
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:33,480
we'll have, fun tailgating and so we go plan, our

1309
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:35,800
tailgate we go do our, tailgate thing and then right

1310
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,079
as the, game starting we look to see if we

1311
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:40,639
can get something to. Get tickets and it's every time.

1312
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:41,119
Speaker 2: It's worked.

1313
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 3: You know one time we were two, years ago maybe

1314
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,280
maybe three, years ago we did that and we ended

1315
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,760
up getting box SEATS.

1316
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:50,119
Speaker 2: WITH. O.

1317
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,719
Speaker 3: J simpson, what, yeah yeah like we were in.

1318
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: A yeah i got. A picture, oh yeah this is.

1319
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:57,480
The greatest.

1320
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,519
Speaker 3: It's, crazy, yes yeah. It was so we were, in

1321
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,360
separate like we're in the same kind of, box area

1322
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,079
but he had a, different Door and i'm pretty sure at,

1323
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:09,119
some point LIKE because i saw HIM and i saw what,

1324
01:06:09,239 --> 01:06:11,679
was HAPPENING and i just started laughing uncontrollably because it

1325
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:13,519
was just one of those kind, of, nervous weird oh,

1326
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:15,320
MY god i can't believe this is happening. Type things

1327
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:18,559
and he looked, at me, you know as if, you

1328
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:22,039
know what's this guy laughing at? Me for and he closed,

1329
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:25,639
the door AND so i in my in, MY fantasies

1330
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:27,880
i think that like that night he was going to

1331
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:28,760
bed thinking why was that?

1332
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,599
Speaker 2: Guy laughing did you get any picture?

1333
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 3: OR anything i got a picture of him with other

1334
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,559
people getting. A picture. I didn't it. FELT icky i

1335
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:40,239
am so with.

1336
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: You, On THAT but i find. THE whole i find

1337
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,079
human beings just.

1338
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:47,519
Speaker 3: So much people are so wanting to get selfies. With,

1339
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:49,639
them yeah they were smiling and so happy.

1340
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: To get INTERESTING, because oj for a lot of the

1341
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,199
people that were, taking pictures they never saw him carry.

1342
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:57,679
A football i will be honest. With you my dad

1343
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,719
was not a. FOOTBALL fan i became a foot at a.

1344
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,440
Young AGE but i was at an AGE where oj

1345
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,559
was on the Cover Of sports illustrated as a forty.

1346
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:11,360
NINE er i didn't know he played For The, buffalo

1347
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,119
BILLS and.

1348
01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: I told him as that actor and the. Naked, GUN

1349
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,079
yeah i had.

1350
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,559
Speaker 2: No idea, and then of course we know what happened

1351
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,760
In ninety it was, ninety three, ninety four, ninety, four,

1352
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,599
yeah yes, ninety four and then the trial was ninety

1353
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:28,239
five and and just all, of, that right and since

1354
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,039
then we've seen all. This stuff and then. He DIED

1355
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:34,199
but i would love to Go on twitter and Hear.

1356
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,360
HIS twitter i couldn't Follow him i'd try To. Find,

1357
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:42,599
twitter Yeah hate. TWITTER world i found, him, interesting, intelligent

1358
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:45,880
likable all the things that made him what. HE was,

1359
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,920
i mean, come on but yet this dark side to,

1360
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:53,880
this GUY and i always wanted, to know like what

1361
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,440
is in? That head and maybe you can even answer

1362
01:07:56,519 --> 01:08:00,599
this to some degree without being. The person but how

1363
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:04,119
do you? Walk around i'm not saying he. Did it

1364
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:07,599
i'm saying everybody thinks he. Did it how do you?

1365
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:10,079
Walk around how do you show your face? In public

1366
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:13,880
how are you? This thing and then there is this

1367
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,039
weird Thing in america where we come around full circle.

1368
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:20,920
With people we, want you we love when you're, on

1369
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,359
top and then we want to knock you off and

1370
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,800
then we'll bring you. Back AGAIN and i was just

1371
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,079
saying to, the guys because we taped to an, EPISODE

1372
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:30,680
earlier I Go tom cruise is an example. OF that

1373
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,079
a few, years ago he's Jumping on oprah's couch and

1374
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:36,600
we're calling him, awful guy and he's yelling about postpartum

1375
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,880
depression and the depression Meds That brooks shields, is on

1376
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,319
and he's Arguing With matt lauer and we know what Happened,

1377
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,640
to matt and we see all this stuff and now

1378
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:47,399
like he was kind of, You Know, tom cruise he's crazy.

1379
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,760
As scientologists. He's this now, we're, going hey you saved

1380
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,079
the movie industry, DURING right, i mean do? We not

1381
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,199
you saved the move into INDUSTRY During covid, and oh by,

1382
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,279
the way hell of a stunt man could have been

1383
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,359
a great. Stunt man matter, Of fact i'm. PRETTY sure

1384
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,000
i keep Reading as i'm very excited for this RIDICULOUS

1385
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:08,760
movie f one. Coming out but it's the same people

1386
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,000
who produced The second, maverick Movie The top, Gun movie and, they,

1387
01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:15,079
said yeah we Didn't.

1388
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: WANT tom i heard that thought he'd. Kill, himself, yeah yeah.

1389
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: Because he would take it. Too FAR and i, go

1390
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,479
you but again somewhat of us. FULL, CIRCLE oj i

1391
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,600
felt like went from hero to zero and almost almost

1392
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,560
back in. Some way we certainly got on the plus

1393
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,560
side of that because every time he Came, to BUFFALO

1394
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,479
and I thought, i COULDN'T but i would certainly WATCH

1395
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,439
because i want, to say what? Is that and nothing

1396
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,520
else was? EVER like oj did nothing? Else, Bad right

1397
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:50,079
he stole his own stuff back and they punished him for.

1398
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 3: The, murders yeah probably think there was probably some domestic.

1399
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:53,880
VIOLENCE stuff, i.

1400
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,520
Speaker 2: Think oh, there was but prior, to, that yes but

1401
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:57,079
we didn't know.

1402
01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:00,199
Speaker 3: About it we didn't know, about it. ALL RIGHT i

1403
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:03,760
i don't know how you would walk around, having that,

1404
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,520
YOU know i tend to think that he.

1405
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:06,239
Speaker 2: Did it, you know my.

1406
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: ME too i thought your question was going to be

1407
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,159
around how can you like walk around as how can

1408
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,560
you on one hand do that something like that and

1409
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,119
then on the other hand like be this, you know

1410
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:19,520
larger in the life person Go on twitter and all

1411
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,199
it you and, You know that's my answer to that

1412
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,279
IS there's i think we we, assume that, you know

1413
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,680
mental illness and violence are, are correlated and. They're not,

1414
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,159
you know people who are mentally ill are far more

1415
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:39,000
likely to be victimized than. The, sure, yeah then and

1416
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:43,359
so there's only two diagnoses that have any correlation or relationship,

1417
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,039
to violence and that's a particular type of schizophrenia uh

1418
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,159
and a particular type of post traumatic. Stress disorder outside,

1419
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:53,039
of that it's far less likely that you would be

1420
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:55,439
violent if you have a. Mental illness and and so

1421
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,960
there's lots of reasons that cause violence and those types

1422
01:10:58,960 --> 01:10:59,239
of things.

1423
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:00,359
Speaker 2: To happen and what is.

1424
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 3: A sociopath a sociopath. Would be it's it's a kind

1425
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,760
of more in the personality. Disorders, Category right if you've

1426
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,560
heard of antisocial, personality disorder, you know some people assume that, that,

1427
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,960
means oh that person's. Not social they don't they won't

1428
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,760
hang out, with you they don't look you in. The

1429
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,199
eye that's actually. The, opposite usually someone who has antisocial

1430
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:22,399
personality disorder is some time to be some of the

1431
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,000
most charming people that you're ever going, to meet like

1432
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:30,119
a PERSON like oj right and have absolutely no regard for,

1433
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:36,000
you know rules or norms or in many cases, you

1434
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:37,399
know your feelings or.

1435
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,359
Speaker 2: Your well BEING that i. DON'T know. I thought i've

1436
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,760
read in the past that CEOs of companies have some of,

1437
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,239
those traits not that they, are sociopaths but they have that,

1438
01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:53,680
COLD blooded i don't want, to say cold mind ability

1439
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,920
to fire somebody make make, hard decisions make hard decisions

1440
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,079
that will affect people's lives for the betterment of, the

1441
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:06,039
company or we like to think that, or WHATEVER but. I,

1442
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:06,960
DON'T yeah, I.

1443
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,239
Speaker 3: Mean i think there's some research that says that people

1444
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:13,920
get to a high level oftentimes have some. Narcissistic qualities

1445
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:20,520
but that's different than being. A sociopath, I yeah. I am.

1446
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: It's a. Tough one it's a. Tough, one yeah it's

1447
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,199
just the oj THING is i. FOUND it i find

1448
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:34,399
it fascinating just watching people and how they interact with something,

1449
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,560
like that someone, like that someone who was accused. Of

1450
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,840
that And again, I'LL say i think he. Did it

1451
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,800
we never got a definitive answer in the court of

1452
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,159
law other than we didn't fit a. Civil trial but,

1453
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,079
even there at, that point you're kind, of going he

1454
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:52,239
ain't paying the, money anyway so he's not going. To

1455
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:56,880
jail so what's the real consequence? Of THIS and, i,

1456
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,720
go boy how do you HOW do i feel? About this,

1457
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,439
in word what's my reaction? To IT and, I go

1458
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,399
i am fascinated by people and how they react. To

1459
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,600
that i'm fascinated by people and how they react to.

1460
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,319
Famous people. It's amazing it's.

1461
01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 3: Fascinated by how people function. ON it, I mean I

1462
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,520
sometimes i SOME days i feel, really stupid but, IN

1463
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:24,359
general i Feel like i'm a relatively intelligent person and life, is, hard,

1464
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,760
Yes right SO and i look AROUND and i see

1465
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,960
like all the people who are somehow Managing and, I'M

1466
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,479
like i, don't know how is everybody. Doing this but, that.

1467
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,319
Speaker 2: Okay so back to like what we talked about earlier

1468
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,000
and some of the doctor deep things that you have

1469
01:13:37,319 --> 01:13:40,600
certainly experienced MORE than. I have but the idea that it's,

1470
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:46,439
already done just relax the sayings that we've heard all,

1471
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,119
our lives like Going, like god like going, like it but.

1472
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:51,680
We can't what? Is that why do we have to

1473
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,359
feel like we need to be in control of everything

1474
01:13:55,079 --> 01:13:58,880
where instead of go with. The flow, you know it's

1475
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,239
so much harder to just upstream than it is to

1476
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:01,920
just go with.

1477
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 3: The, FLOW yeah, I don't i, don't know BUT this

1478
01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:06,840
i think the self has to do with. It, Again

1479
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,159
yeah like we we have this connection to the self

1480
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:12,800
when we're in this body and, you know living, this

1481
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:16,640
life and that's gotta it's it helps, keep us, you

1482
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,960
know on on track when we're in. This life maybe

1483
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,800
if we were going with a flow all, the time

1484
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,239
right then then there would be that you Know that

1485
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,039
i'm assuming that the self exists for, a, reason, right

1486
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:31,800
yes and that you know we these mechanisms within us

1487
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,840
exist for, a reason? Right right, but, UH yeah i

1488
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:41,800
also agree that it seems like at everything when you

1489
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,600
look at it from a quantum perspective or all the

1490
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,640
stuff that we're. Learning about, you know it kind of.

1491
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,720
Doesn't matter everything's already. Been done it's almost like people

1492
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,279
talk about, simulation THEORY which i don't necessarily, ascribe TO

1493
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:57,680
but i do like the idea of simulation theory from a, therapeutic, perspective, right,

1494
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,560
because uh the idea is that we chose, this, life

1495
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,560
right We chose it's it's not that this is it's

1496
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,159
not that we're a player in someone. Else's game we're

1497
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,000
still a player in our. Own game we chose. This life,

1498
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:13,880
you know people who talk about, simulation theory including quantum

1499
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,439
physicists and people, like that, will say you know that

1500
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,000
we our soul at, some level chose to play, this

1501
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:22,680
life and every difficult thing that happens in our life

1502
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,279
is has, already happened but it's intended to be part of,

1503
01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:28,640
that game and it's intended to be something that teaches. A,

1504
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,800
Lesson right and so even if that's a, ridiculous theory

1505
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,359
thinking about things from that perspective sometimes can, be, helpful

1506
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,920
right because, ask YOURSELVES if i really did, choose this

1507
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:41,800
if this is, a simulation then what is this Thing

1508
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,560
that i'm dealing with, right now what is it trying to?

1509
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: Teach?

1510
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,039
Speaker 3: Me right WHY did i choose to have? That experience

1511
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:48,600
and WHAT did I think i needed? To learn and

1512
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:53,239
IT'S it's i think about just a better way to.

1513
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: Live RIGHT and i think it also keeps you from,

1514
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:05,800
blaming others which is very easy to do and never solves. Your,

1515
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,439
Problem right if it's not, your fault whose fault? Is

1516
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,199
It and i'm not saying that we Need to maybe

1517
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,840
maybe there's a softer word, than fault but that's the

1518
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,880
one we've all been conditioned. To SAY and i think

1519
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,560
sometimes when there are problems, that arise to look inside, and,

1520
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,680
go okay, you know sit and. Be still that's the

1521
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,640
THING is i was going to say, earlier TOO is

1522
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,159
i think a lot of the answers we know they're.

1523
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,479
From inside we know whether it's the higher consciousness that's

1524
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,920
coming through whatever. It is we kind of know what

1525
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:45,000
we choose. To, do again it's not, free will but

1526
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:50,279
free won't is than. THE thing i. Love that BUT

1527
01:16:51,119 --> 01:16:54,159
when i think about, THESE things i, Often, Think okay

1528
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,520
so in, any moment you have a number, of choices

1529
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:02,039
it's easy, to say choose the one that's gonna feel,

1530
01:17:02,079 --> 01:17:05,000
the best do it to its fullest without any worry

1531
01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:07,119
about the outcome of, it all and it'll all. Work

1532
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:11,079
out and we've probably had experiences that we can all

1533
01:17:11,159 --> 01:17:13,319
look back on, and, go yeah. THAT'S true i did,

1534
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,800
that THERE but i didn't do it, over HERE and

1535
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,640
i didn't, over here and YOU know i didn't. Over

1536
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,439
here it is because you were a PRICK and i couldn't,

1537
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:21,640
get it you KNOW what. I mean and we start

1538
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:25,760
pointing fingers and, blaming THINGS and, i, think ah that's.

1539
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,359
The thing it is all. Your fault but faults an.

1540
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,720
Ugly word it doesn't certainly isn't one. Of compassion and

1541
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:35,680
so that's, where, like well you guys got a lot

1542
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,960
of work you gotta do over there talking to People

1543
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:42,319
because i'm. Unbraveling this, i'm, thinking boy that's a lot

1544
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,359
to say. To someone is it's? Your fault but. It's

1545
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,520
not and we can massage this thing and there really

1546
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,680
is no meaning to any of it other than the

1547
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,319
meaning you apply. To it so what are you, Gonna

1548
01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:56,520
say i'm a bad person, for THIS or i just

1549
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,079
made SOMETHING that i thought was the right decision And

1550
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:02,079
now i'm gonna pivot for here because that didn't work the.

1551
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 3: RIGHT way i. Don't know have you Read The? FOUR

1552
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,920
agreements i have.

1553
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: NOT read i am certainly familiar With The, four agreements, but.

1554
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 3: Yes that's kind of as you'm listening to you talk

1555
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,880
about it being everything being, our phone you know that

1556
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:20,399
that's for, whatever reason that's What's those that's what's resonating.

1557
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:25,960
With me is this idea that it's, everything happens we

1558
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:29,520
have a role, in everything and without getting, to again

1559
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,720
maybe instead, of fault it's your frequency rights that frequency

1560
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,960
that you're on. That day but ultimately we're all still

1561
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,520
living in our own little drops, of water our own, little,

1562
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,920
Bubbles right and so the four agreements are be impeccable with,

1563
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,520
your word which basically, means like, you know, don't gossip

1564
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,000
don't focus you know when, you're talking don't make, you

1565
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:54,079
know make it a point, to that, you know always

1566
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:56,800
be trashing other people as part of what you're putting.

1567
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,119
Speaker 2: Out there so much fun, TO do.

1568
01:18:58,279 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 3: I know it's that's the, tough part right, it is

1569
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,600
that's the. Tough part sometimes sometimes it feels like they.

1570
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:06,079
Speaker 2: Deserve it.

1571
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 3: Don't make, any, assumptions right because, you know assumptions are. Just,

1572
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,399
Killers right and that's part of getting back to like

1573
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,800
social media and our connection. To technology it's you know,

1574
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,239
the INTENT and i think we tend to make a

1575
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:23,479
lot of assumptions when we're seeing something on social media without, the, context,

1576
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:28,319
right right don't take, anything, personally, yeah right these are

1577
01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:30,319
easy things to say about. Other things to do right

1578
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,319
and always do your, best right which which is doesn't

1579
01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:36,199
mean that you're always going to be at. Your best

1580
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:37,479
it means you're going to do your best on. That

1581
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,600
day if you're sick of, that day then your best

1582
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,039
isn't going to be as good as the day before

1583
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:42,640
when you weren't feeling when you were, Feeling better but

1584
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,399
you're doing your best on, that, Day right and so

1585
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,359
if you're doing all four of, those things then that

1586
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,239
idea of everything is, YOUR fault i think. Becomes less

1587
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:56,079
it feels like like you're getting boxed in a little,

1588
01:19:56,119 --> 01:19:59,479
bit less right, because, now yeah everything is under, your

1589
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,359
control including the way that you, interpret things including the

1590
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:07,399
way that you decide, to uh, you know to, name

1591
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,159
things or you know how much you allow things to get, at,

1592
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:14,239
You right and, So yeah i've heard you say. That

1593
01:20:14,359 --> 01:20:17,199
before everything's everything's YOUR following i don't.

1594
01:20:17,039 --> 01:20:20,319
Speaker 2: Disagree, with IT and i, think, that yes but the

1595
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,960
word is a. Harsh one it's a harsh one to

1596
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:26,039
to kind, Of, swallow well what do, you mean it's.

1597
01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:27,039
MY fault i didn't.

1598
01:20:27,079 --> 01:20:27,279
Speaker 3: Do that.

1599
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,079
Speaker 2: But you have a plane in that you brought it

1600
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,880
in in. Some way you attracted that in some way

1601
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,119
our BRAINS are i think an antenna attracted.

1602
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: That in and sometimes it goes the, opposite, Way right

1603
01:20:41,359 --> 01:20:44,960
sometimes you're, so, high right you're on such a high

1604
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:47,760
or your frequency is, so high and you're feeling so great.

1605
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,680
About something i've had to watch myself with this lately

1606
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,880
because of the good news with my daughter and the

1607
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,359
puppy and that kind. Of stuff zone, noticing Well but

1608
01:20:54,399 --> 01:20:58,479
i'm noticing myself feeling, really, Good right and, you know

1609
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:01,560
people who are aren't feeling, really good, you know they

1610
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,800
find people who are feeling good and they try to bring, them.

1611
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,920
Down right and, you know there's people that will say

1612
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,960
that you don't need to actually even be with the

1613
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:12,319
person who's, you know not in a good place or

1614
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:14,880
in a more vulnerable place to be impacted by their, negative,

1615
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:15,479
energy right.

1616
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: You know AND so.

1617
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: I think that there's also this kind of art to

1618
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,800
not letting yourself get too. High, Either RIGHT it's i

1619
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:28,520
imagine kind of life is on, a circle right and

1620
01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:33,039
and UH and i most people are just riding it like,

1621
01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:35,279
a ride and, you know they're happy up here and things,

1622
01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:37,079
are great and then they're kind of man and then

1623
01:21:37,119 --> 01:21:39,720
they're down here and things are and things aren't, very

1624
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,920
good and you're just feeling it in, the. Moment right

1625
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,479
but if you kind of take a step back and

1626
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,119
realize that it's just always going in, this, circle right

1627
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:50,840
then then you can, name. It right you can you can, Be,

1628
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,000
Like Okay i'm i'm feeling really good, right NOW but

1629
01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:55,920
i know this isn't, gonna Last so i'll soak. It

1630
01:21:56,039 --> 01:22:00,840
Up but, I'll said DEEP say I wanted.

1631
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1632
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 3: One of, Our breakfasts, deep said what's ONE thing i

1633
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,760
can say that will make you happy when you're sad

1634
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:09,720
or sad when? You're happy.

1635
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,279
Speaker 2: Mm hmm what's ONE thing i was there? FOR that?

1636
01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:19,399
I think? Were? You that is that? Your?

1637
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,119
Speaker 3: House yeah that Was a i'm not sure if you were.

1638
01:22:23,119 --> 01:22:23,359
Speaker 2: There for.

1639
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:28,520
Speaker 3: So we, all, guessed right we All took we all guessed,

1640
01:22:29,079 --> 01:22:31,039
you know things that might answer. That question we were.

1641
01:22:31,039 --> 01:22:33,640
ALL wrong i mean the answer is this tool, will, Pass,

1642
01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:37,399
Right yeah because if you, remember that, You know i'm

1643
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,039
feeling good, right now this is going, to pass then

1644
01:22:39,119 --> 01:22:41,199
that's going to bum. You out and if you, remember

1645
01:22:41,319 --> 01:22:44,000
that you know this tool pass when you're not, feeling

1646
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:45,680
great then you know you can get past it and

1647
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,119
you can see, past, It right AND so i think

1648
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:50,680
it's seeing the, whole, picture right it's looking at that,

1649
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,520
whole ride that, whole circle and being able to recognize

1650
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,920
where you're at, on that appreciate where you're at on

1651
01:22:57,039 --> 01:22:59,000
that name where you're at on.

1652
01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:03,119
Speaker 2: That, right, sure. YEAH great i remember coaches often saying

1653
01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:04,720
you're not as good as you think, you are and

1654
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:05,920
you're not as bad as you think.

1655
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 3: You are and that what you said your son when

1656
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,239
he was driving the four wheeler into.

1657
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:11,119
Speaker 2: The tree.

1658
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 3: You're not as good as you think.

1659
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 2: You are we we hadn't even gone. There yet ROB

1660
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:23,159
and i sat THERE and i had. Been fishtailing NOT

1661
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:24,920
that i am as GOOD as I think, i AM

1662
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,640
but i was holding it TOGETHER and i was. Having

1663
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,560
fun so if you, punch it but it's all about

1664
01:23:31,279 --> 01:23:35,680
it's not about the break in. Those situations it's strictly about.

1665
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,680
The accelerator so take your foot off of it and

1666
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,760
let it ride and just ride. That wave that's all.

1667
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,880
It is and it's a great you're. Saying this, i'm

1668
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,960
going oh, my god it is because the break, is

1669
01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:51,520
resistance and resistance knocks. You over you know we. Need

1670
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:55,159
resistance we don't. Need resistance we need contrast in life

1671
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:56,560
to show us what we do want and what we,

1672
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,560
don't want and what we do want and we. Don't

1673
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,359
want but we don't need to slam on the brakes

1674
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,640
on things because then. We crash and that's Exactly what.

1675
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:09,000
Jordan did we're DRIVING and i probably had a couple

1676
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,279
of drinks and said, to him you, take over and

1677
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,119
he's doing IT and, i go and then all of

1678
01:24:13,159 --> 01:24:14,479
A sudden i could. Feel it i'm.

1679
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:15,399
Speaker 3: JUST one i just.

1680
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,520
Speaker 2: FELT that, i, go buddy you're not as good as

1681
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,640
you think. You are, slow down take your foot off,

1682
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,560
the accelerator but you're screaming over. A motor and then

1683
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,920
the NEXT thing, i know he does, it again AND

1684
01:24:27,119 --> 01:24:30,560
all i heard myself was saying he was. Oh shit

1685
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,119
and then over we went and landed back on all.

1686
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:36,920
Four wheels but you know the damage. Was done it was.

1687
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,119
All dented it's cracked.

1688
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,039
Speaker 3: And you knew we have that intuition before it's. Gonna

1689
01:24:41,079 --> 01:24:43,199
happen what is? THAT like i could see.

1690
01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:45,119
Speaker 2: IT coming i just was LIKE and I AND i

1691
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,560
i tried really hard not to be that Dad that

1692
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:53,439
i'll call it the dick dad for lack of, bigger

1693
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,840
vocabulary but just the dick dad that's. Gonna go, come

1694
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,760
on don't do it. That way i'm not here to.

1695
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,840
SHOW you i want you to skin. YOUR knee i

1696
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,119
want you to flip, the vehicle just not The one. I'm,

1697
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:04,920
in yep you KNOW what. I mean That's all i'm.

1698
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,039
Asking it don't do it The one, i'm IN and

1699
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:10,039
i want to show you how to do. It without.

1700
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,119
You know BUT when i say, slow down it's like an.

1701
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:17,399
Electric car just take your foot off. The accelerator let's

1702
01:25:17,399 --> 01:25:19,119
not even call a, gas pedal and we'll just try to,

1703
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,720
slow down try to downshift a. Little bit we don't

1704
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,560
need to jam the brakes because that makes. Everything.

1705
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 3: Bad, yep yeah but bas he just had. LAST year

1706
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,439
i brought you To The, oh god that was so.

1707
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,720
Much fun the mud, truck, party right which for, people

1708
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,039
listening this is like a legit mud, Truck party like

1709
01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:41,840
the people have never seen anything. Like this it's, you

1710
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,520
know dozens of these giant. Monster trucks and this guy's

1711
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,800
got this huge property with a, you know basically a

1712
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,840
pond in it that they're. Driving through AND so i

1713
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,279
went about a month ago to the most recent iteration

1714
01:25:53,399 --> 01:25:56,399
of this mud, truck PARTY and i was with my

1715
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,640
friend who invited, me there and he has his big,

1716
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,680
mud truck and we were driving around and going through the.

1717
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,000
Mud puddle we went through maybe, three times and then

1718
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:06,800
before he goes through the, Fourth time, i'm like this

1719
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,439
doesn't like he's. Getting cocky this isn't going. WELL this

1720
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,880
I really i just had this feeling like we really

1721
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,079
shouldn't go through this. Fourth time it's not a.

1722
01:26:16,119 --> 01:26:16,279
Speaker 2: Good.

1723
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:21,079
Speaker 3: Idea uh and it was, that intuition and he went

1724
01:26:21,159 --> 01:26:23,119
into the mud puddle and all of, a sudden you just,

1725
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:25,399
hear it like felt like everything in the engine like

1726
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:29,079
broke at the, same time and it. Just stopped and, you,

1727
01:26:29,159 --> 01:26:31,720
KNOW fortunately i. FELT bad i thought that he was

1728
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,439
going to be out a bunch. Of MONEY and i

1729
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:34,920
turned to him and he just looks at me, and,

1730
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,359
goes well that's, mud trucking.

1731
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,279
Speaker 2: That is it is part of. THE sport i suppose,

1732
01:26:42,399 --> 01:26:45,359
what happened, you know did like something with the engine

1733
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:48,039
had taken too. Much water it was THAT the i

1734
01:26:48,079 --> 01:26:48,359
don't know.

1735
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 3: A lot i'm Not a i'm not, a gearhead but,

1736
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,880
you know there was, YOU know i think they, you

1737
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,239
know the axle. Like broke, there was and we ended

1738
01:26:56,319 --> 01:26:58,840
up getting towed out by another mud truck and we were.

1739
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,399
In there we were in the puddle for a while

1740
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,640
and pretty and another guy installed next, to us and

1741
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,359
we're yelling back and forth at each other in the.

1742
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,359
Mud puplers it was. Pretty funny why.

1743
01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:10,239
Speaker 2: Don't we take one last break and then we'll do,

1744
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:13,640
the QUOTES because i do want to. Hear these the

1745
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:14,640
quotes are from.

1746
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 3: So these are from the INTERVIEWS that i did with

1747
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,479
gold experts soon After meeting deep and so a, genetic

1748
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:22,920
EXCTION and i.

1749
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: Want to hear a little bit about The doctor deep, visit,

1750
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,279
too SURE because i think there's more happening in that

1751
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:29,600
world than where it's.

1752
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 3: Always going EVERY time i have a chance to connect,

1753
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,600
with them there's something cool and. Magical happening we will

1754
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:36,479
get to that right.

1755
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,319
Speaker 2: After this when life takes an, unexpected turn you need

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i love this SONG because i think it just speaks

1787
01:29:51,079 --> 01:29:53,359
to everything that we. TALK about i almost FEEL like

1788
01:29:53,399 --> 01:29:56,520
i can give you a great theme for a. Wise

1789
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,079
counsel reach out and.

1790
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Grab it.

1791
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:04,039
Speaker 2: If you, want it.

1792
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:06,039
Speaker 1: You can.

1793
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 2: Have it all you've got to do is just reach

1794
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:15,039
right out and. Grab it step into.

1795
01:30:15,279 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 5: Your power that's one of those THINGS that i think

1796
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:23,039
that we often put ourselves in, the role for lack

1797
01:30:23,079 --> 01:30:25,840
of a better term of, the victim like, YOU know

1798
01:30:26,199 --> 01:30:29,640
i can't because and THAT'S where i, always go, the arguing,

1799
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,960
foreign limitations no self.

1800
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,039
Speaker 3: Fulfilling, prophecy yeah get out there and.

1801
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Do it just.

1802
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 3: JUMP jump i remember the FIRST time, i REALIZED like

1803
01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:42,479
i realized. THAT idea i was working as a applied

1804
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,319
behavioral science as SPECIALIST At CDs monarch because one of

1805
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:48,880
my first jobs out of my, master's program and so

1806
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:52,079
my job was to write behavior plans for people with

1807
01:30:52,119 --> 01:30:54,520
disabilities living in different. GROUP homes i had eighteen group

1808
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,439
homes on my CASELOAD and i was in charge of

1809
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,319
the behavior plans for all. Of THEM and i have

1810
01:30:58,399 --> 01:31:01,079
to do a, functional assessment right, the plan go in train.

1811
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:03,920
The staff and we had this one house on massive

1812
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,920
in road that it was all adults with at the time. Autistic.

1813
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:14,319
Disorder uh and uh everything was like, locked up, you

1814
01:31:14,399 --> 01:31:18,039
know plexiglass on all, the windows all of the TVs were,

1815
01:31:18,199 --> 01:31:19,000
you know bolted to.

1816
01:31:19,039 --> 01:31:19,079
Speaker 6: The.

1817
01:31:19,159 --> 01:31:22,359
Speaker 3: Floor uh and it was, you know there were d

1818
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,239
grade there was the doors, were locked but there were

1819
01:31:25,319 --> 01:31:29,239
like delayed egress locks on. The DOOR and i went

1820
01:31:29,319 --> 01:31:31,840
in and everyone told me like watch out for. This place,

1821
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,880
you know. It's dangerous you gotta be really careful when.

1822
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,640
You're THERE and i remember going in and just, feeling like,

1823
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:38,600
oh my as SOON as i, WALKED in i, FELT like,

1824
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:42,520
I like i'm not comfortable, in, here right it's just

1825
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:46,159
there's not because, the people but because everything was locked

1826
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:49,159
up and you could tell you, walked in everyone expected

1827
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:52,079
the worst of whoever was, in. There, Right yeah AND, so,

1828
01:31:53,079 --> 01:31:55,479
i uh, you know at, THE time, i was, you know,

1829
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,560
my TWENTIES and i didn't know, any better AND SO i,

1830
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:01,000
i said it's got to be a way to do.

1831
01:32:01,079 --> 01:32:03,039
This better and so we pulled together a big committee

1832
01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:05,920
and we ended up creating a plan that allowed us

1833
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,239
to pull back on all those restrictions and unlock the

1834
01:32:08,319 --> 01:32:10,560
doors and get the plexiglass all the windows and all,

1835
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,000
those things and everyone's all of the people who lived

1836
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,600
there started, behaving, Better right and so we saw them

1837
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:18,680
really live up to.

1838
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 2: Our.

1839
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,319
Speaker 3: Expectations right and that was the first TIME that i

1840
01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:24,239
really realized that people just have to just go out

1841
01:32:24,279 --> 01:32:25,560
and do. It right like it was one of those

1842
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,119
things where, you know it's people get things done because they.

1843
01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:33,359
Speaker 2: Do. Them yeah you brought up to the idea of

1844
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,039
the of the four minute, mile, earlier right and want

1845
01:32:36,359 --> 01:32:39,119
a banister. Does IT and i think it was like two,

1846
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:42,000
weeks later three or four got it. Done it but

1847
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:44,840
it was a. Mental BLOCK and i often wonder in

1848
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,960
that situation that you're saying is we're, so bad we need,

1849
01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:50,720
this stuff so we're going to be bad, because hey

1850
01:32:51,319 --> 01:32:55,279
and then when the, expectations raised we're all running at

1851
01:32:55,319 --> 01:32:56,520
a better pace and a.

1852
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,159
Speaker 3: Kinder page there's also this have you ever heard of? Morphic?

1853
01:32:59,239 --> 01:33:03,359
Resonance no, All right so there's this concept called. Morphic

1854
01:33:03,399 --> 01:33:05,920
resonance they've done a bunch of rat studies and they

1855
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,800
would what they do is they take rats from the

1856
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,239
same family and they would put half of Them in

1857
01:33:11,319 --> 01:33:13,840
california and they would teach them how to run through,

1858
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,199
a maze and they would have half of them On

1859
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:19,199
The east coast and they would just they would have

1860
01:33:19,319 --> 01:33:22,159
them run through. The maze and they they found that

1861
01:33:23,319 --> 01:33:26,000
when they if the Rats in california who were part

1862
01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:27,800
of the same family learned how to run, the maze

1863
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:30,760
that the rats In The east coast would run the

1864
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,239
maze more quickly after the Rats in california learned, How

1865
01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:36,560
right and so the theory is that there is this

1866
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,439
especially for people who are connected in some way that

1867
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,439
this kind of, mutual, learning right like if we if,

1868
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,800
you know one part of the unit learns something that

1869
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,640
there's something that impacts the other part of the unit

1870
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,800
so that they're become better at it or they become

1871
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:52,720
more Able to.

1872
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,520
Speaker 2: And this is mice that were. Genetically. Connected, yep yeah

1873
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,279
it's called different coasts.

1874
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:01,079
Speaker 3: Called Morphic resident it's if you look a research and

1875
01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:03,640
rat learning and, more resonance it's.

1876
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:08,119
Speaker 2: Right there so almost like they telepathically in some way

1877
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,159
connected on who was doing what. Or understanding doesn't it

1878
01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:12,479
seem to?

1879
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 3: You good that's. One, argument Yeah.

1880
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 2: Because i'm, you know the telepathy tapes. ARE interesting i

1881
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,359
know you sent me. Another Episode i'm i'm a, little

1882
01:34:21,399 --> 01:34:23,840
BEHIND but i. HAVE enjoyed I think i've listened to

1883
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,359
seven episodes. OF that i find, it fascinating. Super cool

1884
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:28,640
it is really find.

1885
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,119
Speaker 3: It fascinating it's TOUGH because i work with a lot

1886
01:34:31,159 --> 01:34:34,000
of parents of people, with autism and and, you know

1887
01:34:34,039 --> 01:34:38,479
there's some, concern that, you know this type of thing

1888
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,159
is giving people false hope and stuff, like that And

1889
01:34:41,239 --> 01:34:43,520
so i'm really cautious ABOUT who i talk to about

1890
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,720
it AND how. I present but. It's fascinating.

1891
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:54,520
Speaker 2: IT'S fascinating i almost feel like there's some truth. TO

1892
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,399
that i did a. WEIRD experience i had two nonverbal

1893
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:05,359
young MEN when i, was subbing and the one each

1894
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,039
one of them had one to, one aides and the

1895
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:12,800
one guy's aide went to lunch and so he plopped

1896
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,880
them down in a chair and he was sort of

1897
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,399
sitting near me and we just. Started TAPPING so i,

1898
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,560
WAS like i know you can, Hear ME so i,

1899
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,760
start tapping and then he'd taking my hand and he's

1900
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,520
tapping and we're. Doing it and then another boy who,

1901
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,279
doesn't speak he. Comes over now we're on on this giant,

1902
01:35:28,319 --> 01:35:30,439
bean bag and that kid's laying next to me and

1903
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,960
puts his head in my lap and is like taking

1904
01:35:34,039 --> 01:35:37,319
my hand to hit his ribs to keep, the Rhythm and, i'm,

1905
01:35:37,399 --> 01:35:40,640
like boy there was SOMETHING that i was trying, To, say,

1906
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,079
HEY hey i know you're. IN there i know you're,

1907
01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:47,359
in THERE and i can't, nothing right, NO experience i can't.

1908
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,399
Say anything but it was after hearing some of the

1909
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,319
telepathy TAPES and, i went this, is amazing and we're.

1910
01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 3: Underestimating, things yeah WELL we, i mean would be ignorant

1911
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:01,119
to say to think that. We do don't you know

1912
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:04,479
that we, understand? EVERYTHING right i think it's fair to

1913
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,960
say that we are consciously aware of maybe one percent

1914
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:10,319
of what's happening, Right right and so if that's, the case,

1915
01:36:10,359 --> 01:36:12,279
then yeah there's lots of stuff that we don't understand

1916
01:36:12,359 --> 01:36:15,720
and we need to keep an. Open mind the tricky

1917
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,680
part again is where, you know sometimes we try to

1918
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,960
create words to describe, these things and we can kind

1919
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,359
of take it go off on our own narrative and agenda,

1920
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,039
with them and then that's when it becomes hard to

1921
01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:30,119
accept or believe because we kind of get in, the.

1922
01:36:30,119 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 2: Way right exactly exactly what are the these these are

1923
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,479
quotes from, so yeah we don't have to go THROUGH

1924
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:38,560
many i would like to hear some.

1925
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:44,079
Speaker 3: Of the so this IS after i started working With. Doctor,

1926
01:36:44,119 --> 01:36:48,880
deep yes he somehow identified me to do these interviews

1927
01:36:49,039 --> 01:36:52,399
with these. Global experts it's hard to explain the, whole

1928
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:57,079
CONTEXT but i had an opportunity to meet with over

1929
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:00,720
twenty just, brilliant people some of Them no, bell laureates

1930
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:03,880
you know people who, you know Professors at Harvard and

1931
01:37:04,039 --> 01:37:08,800
cambridge AND. U c L a uh and in the

1932
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,920
new Book that, I'M writing i transcribed the INTERVIEWS that

1933
01:37:12,039 --> 01:37:15,840
i did, with THEM and i AM actually ai wasn't

1934
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,399
involved in the quotes that we're going to look, at

1935
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,720
now but for some, of them they were, you know

1936
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,680
folks who didn't speak Very, good english AND so i

1937
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,479
ran THEM through ai and it cleaned it up and

1938
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:28,239
it made it easier to understand and. Pretty amazing and

1939
01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:30,840
So what i'm trying, to do what we're trying to

1940
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,800
do With This Complimentary treatment methods Class at fisher is

1941
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,479
start to open the eyes of mental health counselors and

1942
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,840
other professionals to some of these concepts and think about

1943
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:44,479
how they can integrate them into their practice without becoming,

1944
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:48,960
you know, woo woo or without being, you know without, losing.

1945
01:37:49,039 --> 01:37:52,520
Credibility right and so we're taking things like, you know

1946
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,359
the telepathy tapes and reiki and all these different areas

1947
01:37:56,359 --> 01:37:59,680
where there's there's plenty of evidence to suggest that there's, something,

1948
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,920
there right and we're trying to examine. It critically we're

1949
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,159
trying to, Think, about okay what could, this mean what's

1950
01:38:07,239 --> 01:38:09,960
safe for us to bring to our clients and. Talk

1951
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:15,720
about and so these INTERVIEWS that i did were kind

1952
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,880
of along. Those lines and there were three interviews in

1953
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:22,800
PARTICULAR that i isolated to. Focus on one Was With,

1954
01:38:23,399 --> 01:38:26,800
madame thengelovu who is a genetic researcher Out. Of cambridge

1955
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,760
he's amazing guy who cuts up genes and studies what's inside.

1956
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:37,159
Of them, and yeah he's really interested in the eighty

1957
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:39,880
percent of genes that We don't actually it's higher. THAN

1958
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,199
that i forgot the, exact percentage but there's a high

1959
01:38:42,279 --> 01:38:44,680
percentage OF each dna that we don't know what, it,

1960
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:46,840
does right and we call IT. Junk, dna yeah we

1961
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,920
don't know what. It does and he examined that's his

1962
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:51,520
specialty is looking AT junk dna and trying to figure

1963
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,520
out what. It does so he was one of the

1964
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,760
GENTLEMEN that. I interviewed I Interviewed, moro zapatara who IS

1965
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:00,880
a Phdmd from harvard now WORKS at ucla studying cerebral SPINAL.

1966
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:04,399
Fluid UH and I Interviewed John, stuart reid who is an.

1967
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:08,359
Acoustic PHYSICIST. He uh he did an amazing experiment where

1968
01:39:08,399 --> 01:39:12,479
he went Into the pyramids and ran sound through the

1969
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,399
different through the carsophagus and when there was when he

1970
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:20,319
ran certain frequencies through. The carsophagus hieroglyphs showed up in. The. Sand,

1971
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,680
wow yeah he wrote a book. About it there, were

1972
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:26,640
witnesses there's uh and AND so i got to speak

1973
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,600
with all three of them because they all have their

1974
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:32,680
own particular along with a number of. OTHER people, i

1975
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,359
mean they all had their own particular interest and connection

1976
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:38,199
to naddi and to energy and its potential uses and

1977
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:41,840
healing and so so the goal was it's kind of.

1978
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,079
Dense STUFF and i asked the students to watch. These

1979
01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:46,720
INTERVIEWS but i knew that coming into class and, saying

1980
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:48,920
okay would you think of the interview wasn't going to go.

1981
01:39:49,079 --> 01:39:53,039
Very far they were gonna probably going to be pretty

1982
01:39:53,079 --> 01:39:55,840
quiet and not be able to to really. Talk much

1983
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,880
AND so i pulled out some of the quotes from

1984
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,279
those INTERVIEWS THAT i i thought were, especially cool and

1985
01:40:01,399 --> 01:40:03,319
we just passed them around and we just went around

1986
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:05,479
in a circle and each student would read one of

1987
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,560
the quotes and then on a scale of one, to

1988
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,359
five they would say how much it resonated. With, them so,

1989
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,680
you know one would be that it didn't really resonate

1990
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:14,640
with me. At all five would be that resonated really

1991
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,800
strong with me for, Whatever reason and then we would

1992
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,680
talk about what are some potential applications to, your work

1993
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:24,079
what are some potential applications to being a mental health

1994
01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:27,039
counselor that you could pull? From this and, SO yeah

1995
01:40:27,039 --> 01:40:29,159
i brought a few of those TODAY because i wasn't

1996
01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:34,039
sure where this conversation was going. To go and it's

1997
01:40:34,119 --> 01:40:37,840
fair and they are. Pretty cool, so yeah maybe maybe

1998
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:41,199
pick like two of them, and okay we'll. Do that

1999
01:40:41,319 --> 01:40:43,279
maybe pick like two of them that, you like and

2000
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,239
we'll do the same thing with YOU that i did with.

2001
01:40:45,319 --> 01:40:47,279
My students don't you.

2002
01:40:47,319 --> 01:40:47,640
Speaker 2: Want me to?

2003
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 3: Read it, so yeah, go ahead.

2004
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,560
Speaker 2: And okay this perspective shifts how we view. The world

2005
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,560
if we dwell on the idea, long enough it can

2006
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:59,920
transform how we interpret life and. DECISION making i often

2007
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,279
and ask people to reflect on a seemingly simple yet,

2008
01:41:03,319 --> 01:41:08,560
profound question why did you choose? Your Parents m?

2009
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:11,199
Speaker 3: All, right, so uh scale a one? To five how

2010
01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:12,119
much did that resonate?

2011
01:41:12,199 --> 01:41:18,359
Speaker 2: With you why did you choose? Your? Parents Well probably

2012
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:23,000
i'm going to my kneed drink, answers THREE but i

2013
01:41:23,039 --> 01:41:24,039
think it's actually higher.

2014
01:41:24,119 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 3: Than, that, okay, Yeah yeah and then we would again

2015
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,680
have a conversation about potential applications to. Mental. Health right

2016
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,920
this is that idea that, you know in, some, ways

2017
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:35,960
chowse you signed, a contract the future informs, the, Present

2018
01:41:36,079 --> 01:41:38,640
right and and it also speaks to that idea, that

2019
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,319
yes you signed a you made, this decision you signed. A,

2020
01:41:41,359 --> 01:41:44,680
CONTRACT yeah i mean so this is the person who

2021
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:49,239
said That Was, madame thanglovu the. Genetic scientist, Really ye

2022
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:54,680
and that quote, comes from, you know his own interpretation

2023
01:41:55,039 --> 01:41:57,239
of a lot of really cool genetic research that, he's,

2024
01:41:57,279 --> 01:42:00,199
done right and he, YOU know i will not do,

2025
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:02,720
a justice but, you know based on cutting apart genes

2026
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,319
and looking at jeans in, you know kids, and parents,

2027
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,039
you know he's able to make a reasonable argument that,

2028
01:42:10,199 --> 01:42:12,840
you know the kids probably chose their parents at some

2029
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,800
point in order for the genes to parse out.

2030
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:21,119
Speaker 2: Like that, really yeah yeah sometimes, YOU yeah i mean

2031
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,279
you ever see like there's a kid that does an

2032
01:42:24,319 --> 01:42:27,720
amazing something and becomes somebody where the parents were not

2033
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:31,479
even close, to that and it is something. Like that,

2034
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,640
all right let's see. One more we'll do, one. More

2035
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:39,560
okay the concept of, the observer, the observed and the

2036
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:45,439
process of observation a trinity forms an essential Foundation in. Indian,

2037
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:50,640
philosophy okay the perspectives lead to the realization that the

2038
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,479
observer and the observed are, not separate but part of the,

2039
01:42:54,520 --> 01:43:00,960
same unit the observer and. The, observe okay, If intelligent if,

2040
01:43:01,039 --> 01:43:06,720
intelligent operates if intelligence operates within this, unified framework then

2041
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:12,840
all intelligence is finite yet capable of integrating with deeper

2042
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:18,520
realms beyond. Conventional understanding that, one's yeah that. ONE'S deep

2043
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,359
i don't want. To say that was like a sixth

2044
01:43:20,399 --> 01:43:25,920
for me because it was the last sentence that intelligence,

2045
01:43:26,039 --> 01:43:28,600
is finite there's there there's an end, to, it yep

2046
01:43:29,039 --> 01:43:32,800
or there's an amount, to it yet capable of integrating

2047
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:37,760
with deeper realms beyond, conventional, Understanding, right so which almost

2048
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,359
makes it sound like it wouldn't be finite in a certain,

2049
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:46,960
you know going with, VERSE depth i, don't know, but yeah.

2050
01:43:47,039 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 3: That's interesting it also speaks to that idea that we

2051
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,079
were just. Talking about it's ironic that you chose, that,

2052
01:43:52,119 --> 01:43:54,239
one right this idea that everything's kind of, our, fault,

2053
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:57,239
Yeah right and this is that kind of idea that,

2054
01:43:57,399 --> 01:44:00,960
you know we, you know that nothing happens without not

2055
01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:03,600
just our engagement, in it but our observation of it

2056
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:04,920
and our, you know making meaning.

2057
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:05,039
Speaker 2: Of.

2058
01:44:05,079 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 3: It right, you know there's research that says that there's

2059
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:13,600
certain things like if you look at in, an, atom

2060
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,880
right there's certain uh forget if it's the protons or

2061
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,479
the electrons that will only appear if we're looking at,

2062
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:24,199
them right if we're observing, them right, All right and

2063
01:44:24,319 --> 01:44:28,119
so that quote speaks to some extent to that process,

2064
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:33,560
of uh, you know nothing really is without us making meaning. Of,

2065
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,359
It yes and that's something you say all.

2066
01:44:35,399 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 2: The time why there's no meaning to any of this

2067
01:44:38,079 --> 01:44:40,560
other than the meaning apply, to it which is basically the.

2068
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,920
Same THING and i only say that because a lot

2069
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:47,680
Of times i've seen, my kids myself get upset about

2070
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,760
something that when you step away, From It oh, god

2071
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:52,800
said really didn't. Mean anything WHY did i? Do THAT and,

2072
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,199
i thought WHY did i give it? That? Meaning There

2073
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,279
because i'm the only one given at? That meaning, you

2074
01:44:58,359 --> 01:45:00,600
know nobody else. Is wanted can a round with their?

2075
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,880
Head down? That's IT can i do? One more do? You?

2076
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 3: Mind hey, go ahead.

2077
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:08,640
Speaker 2: Go ahead when we explore deep aspects of physics, and

2078
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:13,159
casualty we typically assume that the past determines. The present

2079
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:19,720
that events unfold in a. Linear, sequence however there's an intriguing,

2080
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,680
counter argument the future decides.

2081
01:45:23,039 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 3: The present so that was Also. Doctor thanglou so YOU

2082
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,720
chose i think two of the three of THE.

2083
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,680
Speaker 2: Ones i just told about random without.

2084
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Really prereading but and that's that was maybe one of

2085
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,640
my favorite quotes from all of the INTERVIEWS that, i

2086
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:40,279
did and probably the one that influenced my life the

2087
01:45:40,399 --> 01:45:44,319
most in my way. Of thinking this idea, that again

2088
01:45:44,399 --> 01:45:47,079
and it's it's this simplifies that we're trying to put,

2089
01:45:47,279 --> 01:45:50,640
you know language. To it but this idea that on,

2090
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:56,159
some level everything's, already happened, right yeah uh and, logically

2091
01:45:56,399 --> 01:45:59,760
right linear time kind of doesn't, make, Sense right like

2092
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:04,000
if if the only way tom exists is the way we, experience,

2093
01:46:04,079 --> 01:46:05,520
it right then there has to be a beginning in,

2094
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,279
an end right in The Big big bang isn't, an,

2095
01:46:08,319 --> 01:46:10,359
Excuse right that's a miracle in and, of itself and

2096
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:12,800
there had to be something, before, That right and, so

2097
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:17,840
uh this is that kind of idea that time energy

2098
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,079
flows in, multiple, directions right and this is just happens

2099
01:46:21,159 --> 01:46:23,039
to be the, you know we happen to be living in.

2100
01:46:23,159 --> 01:46:27,600
Linear time but that. Time itself that is way more complicated, than,

2101
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,560
That right it's it's it's, uh operating it's going in

2102
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,800
every direction all, the time right and and at, some

2103
01:46:33,039 --> 01:46:36,600
level all of these things have. Already happened, so yeah

2104
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,079
that's that was one of my favorite quotes from the

2105
01:46:39,159 --> 01:46:40,680
INTERVIEWS that, i yeah that's a.

2106
01:46:41,319 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 2: Great quote as, YOU'RE saying i often think of everything

2107
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:49,960
is happening, right now all, of it all that's happening,

2108
01:46:50,039 --> 01:46:54,239
right now and all we have is a different perspective.

2109
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: On.

2110
01:46:55,159 --> 01:46:57,039
Speaker 3: Now, YEAH right i think that.

2111
01:46:57,159 --> 01:47:04,039
Speaker 2: That's MEMORY but I can't i can't seem to fully grasp.

2112
01:47:04,279 --> 01:47:05,960
THAT idea i don't.

2113
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,359
Speaker 3: Think we're supposed to be. Able to and that's the

2114
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:09,399
fun of. These groups we get to talk about it.

2115
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 2: AND try i. LOVE that i freaking love. THIS stuff

2116
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,520
i don't, KNOW why i don't know what, it IS

2117
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:18,359
but i. LOVE it i love the idea of, thinking

2118
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:23,000
differently looking at, something differently and not the same thing all.

2119
01:47:23,039 --> 01:47:26,680
THE time i like IT because i think. IT does

2120
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:28,439
i think as, a group it taps into a.

2121
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,239
Speaker 3: HIGHER consciousness i like to think that we're, you know

2122
01:47:31,399 --> 01:47:35,439
creating our or our own. Morphic residence right when we

2123
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,960
have these conversations that somehow it's even though we're, having

2124
01:47:39,039 --> 01:47:41,840
them that that it's it's, you know other people are

2125
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,720
somehow benefiting, from it or learning, from it or maybe

2126
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:46,960
thinking that we're crazy and making other decisions because. Of

2127
01:47:47,039 --> 01:47:49,239
it that's, All fine, BUT yeah i agree. With you

2128
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,920
it doesn't feel like when we have these conversations that. They're,

2129
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:54,119
meaningless no not.

2130
01:47:54,279 --> 01:47:57,560
Speaker 2: AT all i thoroughly enjoyed it and can't thank you

2131
01:47:57,680 --> 01:47:59,760
enough for allowing me to come and hang out with

2132
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:03,199
those at those groups and be part of all. This stuff,

2133
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:09,359
the uh your connection with doctor deep, gets deeper, you

2134
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,840
know it. Really does and the book that you're, putting TOGETHER.

2135
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:14,399
Speaker 3: Which i need help NAMING because i don't. Want to

2136
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,560
i'm so worried it's gonna be the Because Remember deep

2137
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,520
Thoughts With. Jack candy i'm trying to stay away from

2138
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,840
anything that reminds people of. Deep thoughts but it's kind.

2139
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:28,239
Speaker 2: Of funny it's different because it's it is literally. Deep.

2140
01:48:28,319 --> 01:48:33,279
Thoughts uh but he Was In New, york city he was.

2141
01:48:33,319 --> 01:48:36,279
Speaker 3: In yes, so uh, he said maybe three. Weeks ago

2142
01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:40,159
now it's a really. INTERESTING story i HAVE ben't i

2143
01:48:40,279 --> 01:48:42,640
haven't seen you since, this Happened so i'll share this

2144
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:47,000
story on. The podcast is, That, okay yeah, that's FINE

2145
01:48:47,239 --> 01:48:49,439
that's i don't feel like you have to, you know it's.

2146
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:51,199
It's okay i'm trying to think OF how i can

2147
01:48:51,399 --> 01:48:57,319
communicate it so that it. Comes across so about three

2148
01:48:57,399 --> 01:49:00,439
WEEKS ago i HAD gotten i gotten e mail from

2149
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,199
a former student and it was just. Really upsetting there

2150
01:49:03,239 --> 01:49:06,439
was a student that, hated, ME right i know who

2151
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,720
who could who? Could imagine and.

2152
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:11,520
Speaker 2: So wait a former student that? Hated you.

2153
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 3: Former student it was five so it was she had

2154
01:49:14,079 --> 01:49:17,720
been this Person was i'm not GONNA get i can't

2155
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:21,239
give much but this student but then reaches out to

2156
01:49:21,279 --> 01:49:26,840
you five years later and was just actually emailed me

2157
01:49:27,039 --> 01:49:32,680
and all my colleagues and uh just said title of

2158
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,079
the email was a true story About. Rob rice and

2159
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:39,800
she talked about three THINGS that i did or taught

2160
01:49:40,359 --> 01:49:42,880
that really upset her while she was in. The. Program

2161
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:47,359
right one of them was this idea that we can

2162
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:50,800
that are that we can heal ourselves even, you know

2163
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:53,119
like digestive issues and back pain and a lot of

2164
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:58,840
physical issues can be attributed to our. Mental health this

2165
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,199
person really didn't like. That idea they had some of

2166
01:50:01,239 --> 01:50:02,840
their own physical issues and felt.

2167
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:03,119
Speaker 2: Like that was.

2168
01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:08,279
Speaker 3: It was minimizing their, physical.

2169
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 2: Aspect.

2170
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:12,159
Speaker 3: Right uh and then a couple other THINGS that i

2171
01:50:12,199 --> 01:50:15,399
won't get into that are all, you know part of,

2172
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,640
the literature part of teaching. This work but for this

2173
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,079
particular person at that time in, their life they weren't

2174
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:23,600
in a place to really hear it the way, YOU

2175
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:25,800
know i intended for them to, hear it and so

2176
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,119
they but, it's, really uh it's really hard for me

2177
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:30,720
to hear write this idea that there was someone that

2178
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:31,199
was out.

2179
01:50:31,079 --> 01:50:33,159
Speaker 2: There for, five years five years five.

2180
01:50:33,239 --> 01:50:36,319
Speaker 3: Years, later YEAH so i HAD so I was i

2181
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,399
was like really beat up for this day because it,

2182
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:41,279
felt like, you know this is just this person who's

2183
01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:43,399
been the person has been out there for five years just, hating,

2184
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,600
me right, and UH and i had, no idea and

2185
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:48,399
it made, me think like who else is out there and?

2186
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:52,159
Hates me and and, you know one of, MY things

2187
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,239
i one of my PROBLEMS is I think i like to, be,

2188
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:56,600
Liked right and so this is really hard, to sure

2189
01:50:57,359 --> 01:50:58,039
it was really hard.

2190
01:50:58,079 --> 01:50:58,119
Speaker 2: To.

2191
01:50:58,199 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 3: Accept uh and so so that evening after really just

2192
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,479
kind of beating myselfself up all day, and, wondering jeez

2193
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,760
you know five, years ago HOW could i have said?

2194
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:12,720
That differently and why did this person choose to. TARGET

2195
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:16,399
me i got a call From from deep and, he said, Uh,

2196
01:51:17,079 --> 01:51:19,239
UH rob I had i had a feeling that you

2197
01:51:19,319 --> 01:51:22,520
needed to talk, to me and so you basically just

2198
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,319
called me and AND SAID i i had had a

2199
01:51:25,359 --> 01:51:28,279
feeling that you needed, to TALK which i. Absolutely did

2200
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:31,000
or actually, HE said i had a feeling that you

2201
01:51:31,079 --> 01:51:35,119
needed a session. With me, he, Said coincidentally I'm, in WASHINGTON.

2202
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:38,079
D c, right now, he said, we said we, must be,

2203
01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:40,560
you know on the same on the. Same wavelength this,

2204
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,239
is awesome, that's great and. Thank, YOU yes i really

2205
01:51:43,279 --> 01:51:44,960
do need to hear from you. RIGHT now i don't

2206
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,239
take any SUPPORT that i. Can get i'm feeling pretty awful.

2207
01:51:47,239 --> 01:51:50,000
About myself talked to him for a. Little while he

2208
01:51:50,279 --> 01:51:53,840
actually reiterated some of what we talked about earlier in

2209
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:58,079
terms of how, you know sometimes, you know when you're

2210
01:51:58,119 --> 01:52:00,560
at a particularly high frequency and you're feeling, really good

2211
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,760
people who are especially vulnerable and not in a, good place,

2212
01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:07,119
you know will, tend to, you know find you and

2213
01:52:07,319 --> 01:52:09,119
try to bring. You down and that was one of

2214
01:52:09,159 --> 01:52:10,880
the ways that he was trying to help me make

2215
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:13,800
sense of that email and my role in it and

2216
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:17,920
some of. Those, things well you long, STORY short i learned.

2217
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:22,920
His itinerary he was GOING from Dc To New york

2218
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,800
city and then he was Going to miami to meet

2219
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:26,439
with some people At the University of miami and then

2220
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:30,039
back Up To New. York CITY and i asked HIM

2221
01:52:30,039 --> 01:52:32,079
if i could, see him and, he, said, sure come

2222
01:52:32,199 --> 01:52:33,439
this is the day that you. Can come AND so

2223
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:35,600
i arranged for it SO that i could go down and.

2224
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:39,760
See him fisher is super supportive of all this work

2225
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,520
and allowed me to use my professional development money to

2226
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:44,079
go down and have a meeting with him and do.

2227
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:44,560
Speaker 2: My thing.

2228
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 3: AND so i went down to, see him and it

2229
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,800
was just another one of these, magical visits as all

2230
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:58,920
of them seemed to. HAVE been i got to my

2231
01:52:59,039 --> 01:53:01,640
hotel and gave him. A call, he said this Is

2232
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:04,399
Where i'm he stays At the Ambassador to pakistan's house

2233
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:05,920
when He's In New, york city which is On The Upper.

2234
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,359
East side AND so i had brought a Couple of

2235
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:10,840
cuban cigars For the Ambassador to PAKISTAN because i knew

2236
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:12,840
he Really liked, cuban CIGARS and i was excited to.

2237
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:14,920
See him, he said this Is where. I'm AT and

2238
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,479
i left the hotel to go walk to meet, him

2239
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,760
there and within five minutes he comes pulling right by

2240
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:22,840
me in a. Black van he's, not driving he's in.

2241
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:25,640
The back it was an uber of, some sort and

2242
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,199
he looks out. The window, he said doctor, rob, come

2243
01:53:28,279 --> 01:53:29,520
come come in the, you know come in.

2244
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:30,039
Speaker 2: The van come.

2245
01:53:30,079 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 3: With me we're going somewhere. VERY important i don't even

2246
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:34,199
know how he. FOUND me i don't know how he

2247
01:53:35,079 --> 01:53:37,239
KNEW where, i was but he KNEW that i was

2248
01:53:37,279 --> 01:53:39,359
on my way to that house and he came and picked.

2249
01:53:39,399 --> 01:53:42,159
Me up so we've got someone really important that we need.

2250
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:45,600
To meet, so okay here. We go i'm, you know doing.

2251
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,840
This again and so on the, way there he told

2252
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:51,039
me a little bit about the Person that i'd. Be

2253
01:53:51,159 --> 01:53:54,479
meeting made it sound like he was pretty important In the.

2254
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:59,319
Indian healthcare turns out he's like one of the most

2255
01:53:59,359 --> 01:54:03,520
important People and. Indian healthcare and then we get to

2256
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:07,079
the to the building and greeted at the base of

2257
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:07,640
the building and.

2258
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 2: Go up.

2259
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,039
Speaker 3: You know so that second time in My life i've

2260
01:54:10,079 --> 01:54:11,920
been in one of These Amazing new york. Pet houses

2261
01:54:12,359 --> 01:54:14,720
the first time was also With doctor deep. Here before

2262
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,399
and you get to the top of the building and

2263
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,399
the elevator door, opens up and we're just in this.

2264
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:23,680
Person's house and it's amazing because, you've got, You know

2265
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,279
florida ceiling glass all the, way around and you just

2266
01:54:26,279 --> 01:54:29,720
See The New york city skyline. Around you and there's

2267
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,720
this probably eighty at least eighty Year old indian gentleman

2268
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,039
AND what i perceived to be his wife sitting next

2269
01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:38,239
to him at the far end of. The room and

2270
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:42,039
so we. Go in deep sits down next to, the

2271
01:54:43,159 --> 01:54:47,319
gentleman the, older GENTLEMAN and i sat Next. To deep

2272
01:54:47,399 --> 01:54:49,760
they Started. SPEAKING hindu i had no idea what they.

2273
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:53,039
WERE saying i didn't THERE'S but i was just kind

2274
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:54,680
of it gave me a chance to take a mental

2275
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:56,720
break and just kind of admire the SITUATION that i

2276
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,279
was in AND where i. Was at and then over

2277
01:54:59,319 --> 01:55:02,399
the course of the, next hour, like one more people

2278
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:04,359
just started coming into the room and sitting on, the

2279
01:55:04,399 --> 01:55:07,359
floor and there's different family members of. This gentleman his son.

2280
01:55:07,479 --> 01:55:11,640
Came in he son actually Went to cornell and Lives

2281
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,359
In New. York city now it was. His apartment he

2282
01:55:13,479 --> 01:55:15,479
came in his kids came in And gave deep a

2283
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:19,000
hug and and, And said i've got my. Magic water

2284
01:55:19,079 --> 01:55:20,920
and you know you could, tell that, You, know deep

2285
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,079
it was really connected to all these people and they

2286
01:55:23,279 --> 01:55:26,560
thought highly. Of them and so at SOME point i

2287
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:30,479
noticed that everyone except for me and this guy and

2288
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,920
his wife And, doctor deep we were sitting on. THE floor,

2289
01:55:33,039 --> 01:55:35,199
i mean we were all SITTING and i felt KIND

2290
01:55:35,239 --> 01:55:38,039
of i felt bad. ABOUT that i didn't feel RIGHT

2291
01:55:38,079 --> 01:55:39,479
that i was in this other person's house AND that

2292
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,119
i was sitting up in the chair and everybody else

2293
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:42,640
was sitting on the on. The floor AND so i

2294
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:44,119
sat down on. The floor and as SOON as i,

2295
01:55:44,199 --> 01:55:47,159
did that this, older gentleman the eighty five year, OLD

2296
01:55:47,239 --> 01:55:48,680
go i don't know how old, he is he might

2297
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:52,279
not be, that old but he started giggling and just

2298
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:54,960
it DID a b line for me and sat down

2299
01:55:55,039 --> 01:55:56,800
on the ground next, to me sat down on the

2300
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:59,119
floor next to me and just like held my hand

2301
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:01,479
and looked, at, me laughing looked at me giggling and

2302
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:03,439
laughing while he held. My Hand and, i'm like this is.

2303
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:06,119
Really odd, but again kind of one of those LIKE

2304
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:07,760
when I met deep for the, first time where it,

2305
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,840
was like this is, really strange but this just feels,

2306
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:14,840
oddly comfortable and like there's something going on Here that i'm,

2307
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:17,159
not understanding AND if i just sit and, be Open

2308
01:56:17,239 --> 01:56:20,279
then i'm going to. Understand, It right and so this went.

2309
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:20,680
Speaker 2: On for about.

2310
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 3: Five minutes at some point he grabbed my hands and

2311
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:26,520
put them together and started going then and started going.

2312
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:28,239
Like this and then he grabbed his hands and he

2313
01:56:28,319 --> 01:56:30,359
started going, like this and like when we were kids

2314
01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:31,960
and we tried to make like fart noises with, our,

2315
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:35,520
hands right he was like going, like that and he

2316
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,079
and then he grabs my palm and he starts pressing

2317
01:56:38,119 --> 01:56:40,279
on my palm and. He goes he goes that the

2318
01:56:40,359 --> 01:56:42,760
pom connected to, the brain the palm connected to. The brain,

2319
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:44,680
HE said i can see. You're anxious, he said this.

2320
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,600
Will help and So now i'm. Doing this he's, doing

2321
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,119
this everybody in the room starts like slapping their hands

2322
01:56:50,199 --> 01:56:54,199
together and they're. All laughing and it was just like the, wildest,

2323
01:56:54,279 --> 01:56:57,279
Thing right like everyone was just in, it together, you

2324
01:56:57,359 --> 01:56:59,720
know doing this ridiculous Thing that i've never. Seen before

2325
01:57:00,039 --> 01:57:01,560
probably should. KNOW about i, should have. YOU know i

2326
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:04,600
guess THAT'S if i were. AN acupuncturist i would realize

2327
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:07,560
that there's a connection between the palms and, the areas

2328
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:15,199
and so we're all. Doing this the, NEXT morning i

2329
01:57:15,319 --> 01:57:19,279
Went to deeps for breakfast and the cook who uh

2330
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:24,399
cooks for the Ambassador from pakistan made us some some

2331
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:26,560
fish and some. Other Things and i'm eating the fish

2332
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:29,680
And doctor deep is kind of Like an, italian grandmother

2333
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:32,079
like he will make he touches all your food and

2334
01:57:32,119 --> 01:57:33,520
gives it to you and make sure that you. Try

2335
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:38,640
Everything and i'm eating the fish and he says it's, really,

2336
01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:40,239
Good RIGHT and, i, said yeah. It's good, he Goes

2337
01:57:40,319 --> 01:57:44,000
That's bobby kennedy's. WIFE'S fish i said what, He, said yeah.

2338
01:57:44,039 --> 01:57:45,880
He SAID when i WAS, IN dc i was Meeting

2339
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,359
With Robert. Kennedy jr and, his wife and his wife

2340
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:55,239
gave me. This fish and so Somehow like i'm sitting

2341
01:57:55,319 --> 01:58:00,720
in the Ambassard of pakistan's you know house ander, east side,

2342
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:04,319
you know eating Fish From bobby. Kennedy's wife no have

2343
01:58:04,439 --> 01:58:08,079
no idea how Like the deep ended up, with them

2344
01:58:08,279 --> 01:58:10,359
or how she thought to give, him fish OR how

2345
01:58:10,439 --> 01:58:12,720
i ended up. Eating it but it's just another great

2346
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:15,760
example of one of These, jask, oh no you think.

2347
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:18,479
OF it i didn't get to talk. To, her yeah

2348
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:19,039
it's just.

2349
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:23,479
Speaker 2: To him How About, kurb, Kurb Right. CHERYL hines, i,

2350
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,000
thought yes, You're, right yeah. You're right She Was larry

2351
01:58:26,079 --> 01:58:28,520
davids wife. About that and then they.

2352
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 3: Get divorced apparently she's really interested In and naddy and

2353
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:34,039
some of The Good doctor deep. Does, good yeah and

2354
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:37,319
so he's, you know you, Know him, he's like everything's gonna.

2355
01:58:37,319 --> 01:58:39,119
Be wonderful she'll talk to her husband and he'll make

2356
01:58:39,159 --> 01:58:42,119
sure that that people IN the us start to learn.

2357
01:58:42,199 --> 01:58:42,239
Speaker 6: This.

2358
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:46,600
Speaker 2: STUFF yeah i think it's. UH interesting i think the

2359
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:50,720
resistance to it is also interesting because where is it.

2360
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,439
Coming from. It's fear what it?

2361
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 3: Is?

2362
01:58:54,079 --> 01:58:57,359
Speaker 2: Money money money with money is, another, One right so.

2363
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:59,359
You're right so if we can strike the fear and

2364
01:58:59,439 --> 01:59:02,840
make you, Hate, whatever yeah that's that's. ALL true i

2365
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:06,119
think that. That's amazing i'm sorry about the, student THING

2366
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:10,359
but i find a student piece of this very interesting

2367
01:59:10,439 --> 01:59:15,520
to me in that it, to me it feels like

2368
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,840
someone who is arguing for. Their LIMITATIONS now i don't know,

2369
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:22,279
this PERSON but i say that because what you're teaching

2370
01:59:22,479 --> 01:59:26,239
is telling them they have the power. Within themselves to

2371
01:59:26,439 --> 01:59:30,000
correct some of, these things and they're mad because they've

2372
01:59:30,039 --> 01:59:32,960
been taught their. Whole, LIVES no i need the DOCTOR

2373
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:35,199
and i, need MEDICATION and i, need THIS and i

2374
01:59:35,319 --> 01:59:37,359
need my mom to bring me my inhale. It Whatever

2375
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:39,800
and i'm not saying that any of those things. Are

2376
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:45,279
bad please. Understand that but if we can raise things

2377
01:59:45,439 --> 01:59:49,319
and get off that, and live you've got. The power

2378
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,319
and it's interesting that someone wouldn't want to. Hear, that,

2379
01:59:53,399 --> 01:59:57,199
yeah no but how resistant. People are i'm. This person it's.

2380
01:59:57,279 --> 02:00:00,880
Not isolated i'm sure there's others not saying. About it

2381
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,119
i'm sure. There, ARE well i got to think there's

2382
02:00:03,159 --> 02:00:05,079
got to be at least ten percent of the class hates, you.

2383
02:00:07,439 --> 02:00:09,479
Speaker 3: Well and that's, you know when you, read evaluations, you

2384
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:13,279
know you get the nineteen or, you know seven out

2385
02:00:13,279 --> 02:00:15,199
of seven, and everybody and then you got that one

2386
02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:17,079
that doesn't, like you and that's always the one where your,

2387
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:19,039
eye goes and that's the one that you remember. The,

2388
02:00:19,079 --> 02:00:23,720
MOST sure i think if you're not and this is,

2389
02:00:24,279 --> 02:00:27,880
partly me, you know talking, to myself making myself, feel

2390
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:32,760
BETTER but i think partly if you're not pissing a few,

2391
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,000
people off then you're not doing, It, right. Yeah right

2392
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:38,560
in order to really learn, and change you need to be. Uncomfortable,

2393
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:43,000
sometimes yeah so if there's the resistance, at all it

2394
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,720
would be to the resistance to. Being UNCOMFORTABLE and i think.

2395
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:49,920
Speaker 2: That's important it is interesting to ME when i hear.

2396
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:51,680
This stuff but then at the same time you try, to,

2397
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:54,199
go well LET'S say i am the person who has

2398
02:00:54,399 --> 02:00:57,399
whatever whatever, it is and now you're TELLING me i

2399
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,680
have the power to, cure It but i've but a

2400
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:03,079
mom and, dad's INSURANCE and i hear them bitching and

2401
02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:05,600
complaining about the, you know the expense of the doctors

2402
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:07,800
and the blah blah blah and this, and that and

2403
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:12,359
you know this makes, no sense and you're teaching it

2404
02:01:12,439 --> 02:01:15,520
to me in a formal. Educational center what is wrong?

2405
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:19,199
With YOU and i, would say what? Is wrong what

2406
02:01:19,439 --> 02:01:22,079
has been wrong for so long that we haven't taught

2407
02:01:22,119 --> 02:01:25,159
this or made it more. Readily acceptable we're not telling

2408
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:27,920
you to, believe it do what, you want but it's,

2409
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:29,520
an alternative and that's what. It.

2410
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:32,199
Speaker 3: Is, YEAH well i mean at this point that particular

2411
02:01:32,279 --> 02:01:36,279
idea isn't even, an. Alternative right there's plenty of research

2412
02:01:36,359 --> 02:01:39,600
that says in psychotherapy can be more effective for certain

2413
02:01:39,640 --> 02:01:45,600
types of pain. Than, medication, okay so, UH yeah i

2414
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:48,520
think we're coming. Along Right The corset fisher is one

2415
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:51,600
step in the right direction for teaching this kind. Of

2416
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:54,760
STUFF and i think that's, you know that's that's where.

2417
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,439
We're at. It's exciting if, this all if everybody believed

2418
02:01:57,479 --> 02:01:58,800
this and it was all out there and we, knew

2419
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,760
everything then we wouldn't be able to have these. Exciting,

2420
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:01,640
conversations no but.

2421
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:04,319
Speaker 2: They, are. Yeah, Exactly yeah i'll leave. It there that's

2422
02:02:04,359 --> 02:02:09,920
true exciting conversations, For sure Doctor, rob rice the head

2423
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:12,399
Of The Mental health Department Of Saint John. Fisher university

2424
02:02:13,039 --> 02:02:17,439
UH and i please go get The Book Lift Notes

2425
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:21,119
Contemplating life's meaning On. The edge it's a great it's a.

2426
02:02:21,159 --> 02:02:24,840
Great read that, whole scene like how you just turned

2427
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:27,600
into the flash and THE one i FELT like i

2428
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:30,399
just needed to talk to you a little bit more.

2429
02:02:30,439 --> 02:02:33,800
Speaker 3: About that you read you read the manuscript, for that

2430
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:35,399
the original and gave, me.

2431
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:39,479
Speaker 2: Yes yes and then the uh YEAH what i thought

2432
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:44,600
that was one Of these we all have the power

2433
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:45,000
you gotta.

2434
02:02:45,039 --> 02:02:48,640
Speaker 3: Tap in you're the REASON why i kept the fart story.

2435
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:53,640
Speaker 2: In there, that's right.

2436
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:56,399
Speaker 6: YOU were i forgot you were On the that's like

2437
02:02:56,560 --> 02:03:02,279
the greatest, story ever just getting. Massage uncomfortable malma sus. Comes,

2438
02:03:02,359 --> 02:03:04,000
in yeah ripped a.

2439
02:03:04,039 --> 02:03:06,520
Speaker 3: Big one my head was stuck in that padded. TOILET

2440
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:06,920
seat i.

2441
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:09,159
Speaker 2: Couldn't move but. Ripped it it, just, said oh. Excuse

2442
02:03:09,239 --> 02:03:09,880
me oh it.

2443
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:11,720
Speaker 3: Was terrible and it happened when he was doing the.

2444
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:12,600
PERCUSSION thing.

2445
02:03:14,479 --> 02:03:17,760
Speaker 2: I forgot. ABOUT that i forgot. About, that well it's

2446
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,239
your Fault that i've actually tried to do MORE because, i,

2447
02:03:20,279 --> 02:03:24,520
Thought yeah, rob's right used the time while you, got

2448
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:27,079
it make hay while the. Sun shines. Let's go you're.

2449
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:29,159
Doing it you know what you're doing For Doctor. Rob

2450
02:03:29,279 --> 02:03:32,520
Rice I'm. Bill moran we will see. You tomorrow it

2451
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:34,640
wouldn't let us in the nut would land It and

2452
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:38,279
mamma's locks rich No sand calma's bestay bowl a bark

2453
02:03:38,359 --> 02:03:39,840
in the. Breast mandates

2454
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:42,119
Speaker 3: Let's see what