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True Murder with 31 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:48.599 Your Host journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good Evening Murderers, 32 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:54.120 homicidal maniacs, serial killers, the police who put them behind bars. 33 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.079 A mother kills her children one by one from home 34 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:02.040 for spring break and never returns. Rumor has it the 35 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.400 alligators devo devoured her body after a gang rape. A 36 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:10.759 loving couple starts killing prostitutes on Sunset Strip. How many 37 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.520 hookers will have to die? A man electrocutes his wife. 38 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.520 Was it murder or a sexual fetish that went wrong? 39 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:21.800 For the first time ever, twelve of Rod Cackley's shocking 40 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.439 true crime stories, previously published as ebooks and short stories, 41 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:30.520 have been compiled into a single book. Read the incredible, gripping, 42 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.080 horrific tales of people who killed at random, murdered the 43 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.879 ones they loved, and another led by the devil, along. 44 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.479 With the true stories of the police who took them 45 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:43.639 off the streets of London. Los Angeles, Georgia, Dianna, Florida, 46 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:48.439 and Kalamazoo. Each story chronicles the vilest, bloodiest, and most 47 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:53.080 heinous homicides committed by serial killers, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, 48 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.000 fathers in law, and maybe the people you see every day. 49 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.879 You will never look at your neighbors the same way. Again. 50 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.360 The book they were featuring this sevening is Murder, Twelve 51 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.360 Shocking True Crime Stories with my special guest, journalist and 52 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.520 author Rod Cackley. Welcome to the program, and thank you 53 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.479 very much for a green in this interview. Rod Cackley, Dan, 54 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:14.919 thank you. 55 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.319 I appreciate the opportunity. It's good to be back. It's 56 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:18.159 good to be on with you. 57 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:24.039 Thank you very much. An incredible collection, certainly, twelve shocking 58 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:30.319 true crime stories. Let's get to one of the incredible 59 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:34.680 stories of this twelve and this is who killed Brittany Drexel. 60 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:39.080 She's seventeen years old and she disappears April twenty fifth, 61 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:41.879 two thousand and nine. This is a five foot pound 62 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:46.000 five foot one hundred and three pound cheerleader and soccer star. 63 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.479 Her home is in Rochester, New York. Tell us a 64 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.000 little bit about her family life and the argument she 65 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.360 has with her mother, and what this was all about, 66 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.879 this argument over spring break. Tell us what the argument was, 67 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.639 and tell us a little bit about the family situation 68 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:04.680 that he has, the kind of person that she is. 69 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.439 Tell us what happens over spring break. 70 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.479 You know, Dan, when you hear and read these true 71 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.199 crime stories, a lot of times you think, Okay, this 72 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.079 person was on this path. This person was on a 73 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:21.399 path to murder, to be a victim. They were always 74 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:24.120 in the wrong place at always the wrong time. But 75 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.600 that's not the case with Britney Drexel. Britney Drexel, as 76 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.160 you said, is a beautiful seventeen year old kid, five 77 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.800 feet tall, one hundred and three pounds, high school cheerleader, 78 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.720 played soccer in or High school in Rochester, New York. 79 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:41.519 Everything was on track for a good life for Britney Drexel. 80 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.160 Her mom, Dawn, loved her daughter. There's no doubt about it. 81 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.519 They were very tight. They did everything together. But then 82 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:52.279 they reached a point where, you know, every teenager has 83 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:55.199 to break away from the parents, there's no doubt about that. 84 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.240 It just has to happen, And for Brittany, it happened 85 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.800 one night when she decided that she wanted to go 86 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.560 to spring break with her friends in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. 87 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:09.800 She argued with her mother, Dawn. Her mother never thought 88 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.160 Britney would go to Myrtle Beach. She never thought she 89 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.879 should go to Myrtle Beach. She was afraid something would happen. 90 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.720 It's that mother's intuition kind of a thing. They argued 91 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:23.439 about it all day long. I told her, Don said, 92 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.600 I just felt like something would happen to her. She 93 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.759 is not that Dawn didn't trust her. She really feels 94 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.879 I felt at the time that Brittany was a good kid, 95 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.720 a good girl. She said. I never felt that I 96 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.720 could not trust her. It wasn't that she just had 97 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.959 this feeling that something would happen to her. And you know, 98 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:47.160 when you're seventeen years old alone for the very first time, 99 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.879 you can make bad decisions. You can make the wrong decision. 100 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.480 You cannot see danger. When you're seventeen, you're invincible. Let's 101 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.920 face it, nothing can hurt you, right Well, it's you 102 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.879 know so. But Dawn, she's the adult, she's the mother. 103 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.759 It's her job to tell Brittany, no, you're too young 104 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:10.000 for this, you're not ready for this. Brittany said, Okay, finally, 105 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.399 after a whole day of arguing, and let's say, said, 106 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.120 nobody argues like a mother and a seventeen year old daughter. 107 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.120 You can just imagine what the player works were like 108 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.199 in that house. But it's a nice house. It's a 109 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:23.920 happy house. They're happy people. So they put it beside them. 110 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:26.560 They came to a deal. They came to an agreement. 111 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.360 They made a deal. Brittany asked if she could go 112 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.319 spend the night at a friend's house. Dawn said great, 113 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:37.040 you know, compromises everything in a family. She said, yeah, 114 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.680 you can go. Britney packed a small bag and left. 115 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.360 That was the last time Dawn ever saw her little girl. 116 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.360 She took a little bag, not a big bag that 117 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.399 you would think you would go to you would need 118 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.720 to go on spring break. Just a very tiny bag. 119 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:58.360 She even called. Brittany called Dawn that night after she 120 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.680 left the house to aologize for the things that she 121 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.360 had said in their argument and how she had acted 122 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.720 during the day. Yeah, Dawn said, do you want to 123 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:11.399 spend a couple of nights with your friend? Go ahead. 124 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.079 They apologized, They made up. They were best friends again, 125 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.800 as they always had been. The problem was Britney was 126 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.120 actually now calling from Rochester. She was already on her 127 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:28.680 way to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She was last seen alive. 128 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:30.439 They were going to a place. She and her friends 129 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.800 are going to a place called a hotel motel called 130 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.319 the Blue Water Resort on Ocean Boulevard. That's one of 131 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.959 the busiest streets in Myrtle Beach. And this is jammed 132 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.600 right now with high school kids, college kids, many of whom, 133 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.480 like Brittany, were a long way from home, and they're 134 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.079 out on their own for the very first time. Kids 135 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.720 like this make mistakes of face it. This is life. 136 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:57.959 Britney's mistake was venturing out alone. A surveillance camera saw her. 137 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.959 A captured video of her leaving the hotel at eight 138 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:04.959 forty five pm April twenty fifth. She's wearing a black 139 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.040 and white tank top, shorts, and flipflops. She takes the 140 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:11.319 time to text her boyfriend, who is back home. She's 141 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.600 not with her boyfriend. She's I'm sorry. She is with 142 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.160 her boyfriend, but she's not with him at the time. 143 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.639 She's telling him that she's walking back to Bar Harbor, 144 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.199 the mitel where she and her friends were staying about 145 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.399 a mile and a half away from the Blue Water Resort. 146 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:28.759 That's a distance about eight thousand feet. So she walked 147 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:32.720 that easily, right, But something goes wrong. We don't know what. 148 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.399 Somebody grabbed her. Perhaps she accepted a ride from someone 149 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.480 that she shouldn't have accepted a ride from. Whatever happened, 150 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:46.440 Britney was gone. You talk about her friend, I'm sorry, Go. 151 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.519 Ahead, sorry, You talk about her father and adopted father. 152 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.559 Really they were very close as well, just like a 153 00:08:53.600 --> 00:09:00.559 regular biological father. The boyfriend contacts the family content don 154 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.360 Soon she realizes what her daughter has done against her wishes. 155 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.120 But now it's time not to you know, it's not 156 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.200 for recrimination, it's to do to go into action. So 157 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:15.480 what does the family do and tell us how the 158 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.480 FBI get involved in? Why? 159 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:21.320 Sure, Down, I had no idea Britney was in any 160 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.360 kind of trouble, But the boyfriend calls and says he's worried. 161 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:29.799 So Dawn, rather than calling Myrtle Beach PD, Down, rather 162 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:33.559 calls her hometown PD, the Rochester, New York Police Department, 163 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.519 for help, so that obviously delays the search to the situation. 164 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:42.399 She starts calling Brittany Brittany's boyfriend descending texts to the 165 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:51.879 girl's cell phone. Britney's not getting back to them. She 166 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.799 she left all the clothes behind, her makeups behind at 167 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.440 the Blue Water Resort, and so Dawn can't believe that 168 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.000 she ran away from the Blue Water Resort on her own. 169 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.639 But FBI agents get involved. They believed the high school 170 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.159 junior who dreamt of becoming a nurser a cosmetologist, was abducted. 171 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.759 That's how they got involved with this because they saw 172 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.840 this as a kidnapping. Britney did not take her purse, 173 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.639 she didn't take any clothes, she didn't even take her makeup, 174 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.399 and Dawn says she never would have gone anywhere without 175 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:25.200 those three things FBI. FBI special ation in charge on 176 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:28.679 this case, David Thomas, told reporters at a press conference 177 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:32.200 that Britney's cell phone transmitted its last known signal from 178 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:36.720 somewhere along the South Santee River between mcclellanville and Georgetown, 179 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:41.000 South Carolina, the day after she vanished. His team assured 180 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.919 that Britney's dead, that she'd been murdered, although at the 181 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.279 time he declined to reveal what evidence they had of 182 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:51.000 the crime. He did describe the investigation as exhaustive. So 183 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.360 I the FBI gets involved because it seems to be 184 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:55.639 a kidnapping, or they believed it to be a kidnapping. 185 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:01.639 Britney's father, Chad, he adopted at me the biological daughter 186 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.480 of his then wife down Brittany A. Chad and Don 187 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.600 had split, but he told People magazine he needed everything 188 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.879 he thought he could do to find the teenager. He 189 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.799 said he was the only father that she'd ever known, 190 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.679 so he felt like he was very close to Brittany, 191 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.159 and Chad said after the FBI agent in charge, Thomas, 192 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.919 told him and Dawn that their child had probably been murdered, 193 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.799 he nearly collapsed, but he still did not give up 194 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:31.919 looking for Britney. The FBI investigation didn't reveal that Brittany 195 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.919 was probably held against her will for several days before 196 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:40.240 she died. I was shaking, Chad said. My adrenaline was going, 197 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.320 I was sweating profusely. I lived and holding back with 198 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.080 every bit of my might not to go and find 199 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:47.720 the killer or killers who did this, one of them 200 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.200 brought to justice. That's how he felt that day when 201 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.799 he'd learned that Brittany had probably been murdered. 202 00:11:53.879 --> 00:12:00.879 Yeah, you talk about this case going cold, despite the 203 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.679 FBI's efforts and despite that investigation, that somewhere along near 204 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:10.159 Mcclellanville on this route, that she because of the cell 205 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:14.279 phone pings off the towers. And then to everyone's surprise, 206 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:17.399 and really this is a surprise, as you write, seven 207 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:22.080 years later, an inmate named to Kwan Brown talks to 208 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.960 ani FBI agent. Now what does he tell that FBI 209 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.360 agent seven years later? To everyone's surprise, Now. 210 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.519 He tells the story of what he claims to be 211 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.799 a jail house confession from one of his cellmates. Now 212 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:36.840 we should make the point too that they set up 213 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.519 a tip line during this time. Rewards were offered. They 214 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:42.080 did a lot, They did everything they could to try 215 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.480 to get anything they could find out about Brittany and 216 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:46.919 her disappearance. But then, like you say, all of a sudden, 217 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:49.960 this guy to Kwan Brown, makes a jail house confession. 218 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.720 He tells an FBI agent that Brittany had been inducted. 219 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:57.240 He was serving a twenty five year sentence for voluntary manslaughter. 220 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:00.240 He tells the FBI he saw a sixteen year old 221 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:04.600 boy sexually abusing Brittany Drexel inside and drug stash house 222 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.519 in Mcclellanville. Now, remember this is a jail house, I said, 223 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.559 jail house, confection. It really should be a jail house. Informant, 224 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:14.279 I think because as he walked through the house, he 225 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.559 said this drug house to get money. To the head 226 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:19.919 of the house, he said, Brittany broke away from the 227 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:23.000 teenager who was abusing her and she ran out of 228 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.559 a house. But her attacker, that he identified as Timothy 229 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.480 to Sean Taylor, ran after Brittany, pistoled with her over 230 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.120 the head, and then dragged her back inside the house. 231 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.279 After Kwan says it's not the only time or even 232 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:39.000 the first time that he saw Brittany. He said Timothy 233 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.480 had bragged about picking her up in Myrtle Beach and 234 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:46.039 taking her to Mcclellanville. According to the court transcript, to 235 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.879 Kwan said Timothy showed her off, introduced her to some 236 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.639 friends who were there. They ended up tricking her out 237 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.879 with other friends. This is where we're getting into the 238 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.639 human trafficking and the forced prostitution. He offers her to 239 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.960 them and wound up, as to Kwan put it, getting 240 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.960 into a human trafficking situation. He admits he never saw 241 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:09.480 Brittany again after she was dragged back into the house, 242 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.840 but he does claim that they heard two gunshots and 243 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:16.320 assumed that she was killed, and he assumed that Timothy 244 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.080 was the one who pulled the trigger, the one who 245 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.679 had killed her. Then he said to Kwan, said Brittany's 246 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:23.720 body was wrapped up in a carpenter or a rug 247 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:27.960 or something like that and carried away. So he thinks 248 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.759 his jail house confession that they're trying to shave some 249 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.440 time off a sentence. How reliable is this guy? These 250 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:38.200 are questions the FBI is obviously asking themselves. And again 251 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.879 they're characterizing this information as a tidbit or even second hand, 252 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:47.360 but they were tips. The FBI said that it were 253 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.679 valuable to this case. And what did they do with 254 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.879 the body after she was rolled up in a carpet 255 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:56.799 or whatever it was and carried out of the house. 256 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:00.279 The FBI agents, one of them said, several witness has 257 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.840 said Britney's body was placed in a pit, a gator pit, 258 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.759 so that her body could be eaten, disposed of, eaten 259 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:15.000 by the alligators. Now the investigation is continuing. Obviously here 260 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.519 the jailhouse confession brings another mother into this story, and 261 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.480 we talked about don Drexel and what everything she went through. 262 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:25.519 Let's think about Timothy's mother, Joan Taylor, Timothy Taylor's mother 263 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:30.320 to Kwan's testimony came into August hearing after a new 264 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.399 charge had been filed against Timothy for a previous crime. 265 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.519 Now he was doing two years probation for being a 266 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.039 getaway driver in a twenty eleven robbery of the McDonald's restaurant. 267 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.279 He's also now indicted in connection with the federal crime 268 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.519 interference of interstate commerce for the involvement in that McDonald's 269 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.559 told up. So now he's got a lot of problems 270 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.120 his mother. Think about what his mother is going through, 271 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.720 her child, her son, her boy is facing all these 272 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:02.679 charges and now something new comes up. Accused of kidnapping, raping, 273 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.240 and killing a young girl of seventeen year old girl, 274 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:12.960 Brittany Drexel, Timothy DeShawn talks to a TV station, WMBF 275 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:17.320 News and does an interview, a long interview with Brett Davidson, 276 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:21.159 a reporter there, and he claims that he never ever 277 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.279 knew Brittany personally, never met her in person, had no 278 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.120 physical contact at all with Brittany. The only thing he 279 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.840 knows about Brittany is what he's seen on TV, heard 280 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.159 on the radio, and what the FBI had been telling 281 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.480 him in their conversations with him, the interrogations of him. 282 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.919 He claims and still does that he had absolutely nothing 283 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:45.919 to do with this case. 284 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.840 You talk about his mother, you talk about his mother 285 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:57.679 being outraged over the allegations to defend her son. There 286 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.320 is some veracity to her claim in that she said 287 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:05.880 this is absurd because along with to Kwan Brown's original 288 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:11.799 allegations was that her husband, Deshaun Taylor's father was also 289 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.359 involved in the gang rape of Britney Drexel. 290 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:21.960 Yeah, right, exactly. That was part of what Chuck she said. 291 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.279 You know, he said that Timothy's father was also a 292 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.000 part of this. Now Joe and his mother and is 293 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.640 a church pastor. She testified in her son's defense during 294 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:35.200 a bond hearing. She described him as a great kid. 295 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:39.079 She said, the whole story about her son and husband kidnapping, 296 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:42.160 raping and Kelly Britney was just a bunch of craziness. 297 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.960 I mean this again, according to John at any rate, 298 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.880 you know, this is a family that you never would 299 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.960 think would go down this path now again. Obviously, Timothy's 300 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.680 had some problems with the law before the McDonald's hold up. Okay, 301 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.200 but holding up at McDonald's restaurants, in her mind at least, 302 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:03.039 is not the same as kidnapping, raping, and killing a girl. 303 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.519 She claims that the story is that they're faced with 304 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.720 is just a bunch of craziness. To quote her, she 305 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:13.480 says she was always a tough, disciplinarian, She took no 306 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:17.759 gift from her son, never, and she repeatedly asserted that 307 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:20.319 Timothy would never be involved in a crime like this. 308 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.079 And as he said Dan, what made it even more 309 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.240 unbelievable was her husband, who was also implicated by Ta 310 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.559 Kwan's confession or his statement as one of those who 311 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:32.400 took part in the ganging, rape, and killing. Jones said 312 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.119 she wanted to scream and yell when she heard the 313 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.799 accusations because, as she put it, it's just not in our. 314 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:44.559 Nature to complicate this. And as great two crime stories are, 315 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.680 there's always something to make you maybe even doubt somewhat 316 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:54.440 your conclusions. Chad her stepfather, Drexel. He was handing out 317 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:59.000 flyers again in a desperate attempt for anyone to see 318 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:01.240 if they recognize his his missing daughter. And he was 319 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.759 handing out flyers and you write about a confrontation he 320 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:10.640 said he had with DeShawn Taylor. Tell us as you write, yeah. 321 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.920 Yeah, Timothy to Shawn Taylor. Yeah, he was handing out foers, 322 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.480 doing anything he could. He went down to South Carolina. 323 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.799 He's handing out flyers, talking to people, you know the usual. 324 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.720 Have you seen this my daughter? Have you seen this girl? 325 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.440 Have you seen her anywhere? And guess who he talked to. 326 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.839 He talked to Timothy to Sean Taylor. Deshon Taylor was 327 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:32.880 in a car with some other guys and Chad walked 328 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:35.759 up and showed him the flyer and said, have you 329 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:40.799 seen her? And he said no, Timothy, Deshan Taylor said no, 330 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.839 I have never seen her, had no idea and they 331 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.200 had something of a confrontation between the two of them. 332 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:50.680 So you know that that you know, you have to 333 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:51.680 think about that too. 334 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:57.279 Yeah. Certainly what in the end was made of that 335 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:01.559 out those allegations, that statement right, Also that it was 336 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:06.680 complicated by the police having another motivation in terms of 337 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:11.720 putting pressure on him from the original charges making a 338 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.880 second charge connected to the robbery charge as sort of 339 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:19.680 as you write, it seemed like pressure for these allegations 340 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.559 regarding it did seem like that. 341 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.240 You know, we always hear stories about guys who are 342 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:28.720 people who confess because it seems to them a better 343 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:32.039 alternative than what could lay ahead if they faced all 344 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:35.000 of the charges, you know, confessing to something relatively small 345 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.400 or just getting it over. And so there is that too, 346 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.240 where they're putting this additional pressure on him in an 347 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.559 effort to force him to or convince him to confess 348 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.599 to what happened to Dawn, or would he they get 349 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.680 him to, you know, confess to other things. So there 350 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:55.039 was that complication too. You know, Dawn and Chad obviously 351 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:58.200 they're going to life now because Dawn's body still to 352 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:01.880 this day, has never been found. So you know, they 353 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:05.519 saw the FBI report in June twenty sixteen. However, that 354 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:09.839 really laid it out. You know, as Dawn said, imagine 355 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:12.039 just having hope that your daughter is still alive and 356 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.319 then find out that she's not and she was brutally murdered. 357 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:19.200 She described it down did as a hard pill to swallow. 358 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.240 And what made it even worse was that her daughter, evidently, 359 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:25.559 according to the FBI report had been the victim of 360 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:30.079 human trafficking. Dawn said she thought that was what had happened. 361 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:32.359 She really did believe in her heart of hearts that 362 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.839 Brittany was kidnapped and was forced into a human trafficking situation. 363 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.480 She still wants to know what happened, you know, just 364 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.000 even if she believes that, yes, Brittany is killed, that 365 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.400 she was kidnapped, raped, and she wants more. She wants 366 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:55.200 somebody to be convicted of this. And she you know, 367 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:57.720 something that makes it even harder, I guess is that 368 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.079 the friends Britney's friends who were with her on spring 369 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:05.160 Break Bill as of July twenty sixteen, had not spoken 370 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.839 to Dawn or the Chad and that really hurts Dawn 371 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:10.880 for them to come back and not say a word. 372 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.759 Don said something happened down there, and I'm not sure 373 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.720 the way to connect this, but to me, she said, 374 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.480 I just think they knew something, Britney's friends. Could they 375 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:24.440 have known something that they're keeping quiet too? 376 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.000 Well, we won't go too much into that, but I 377 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.559 think that if I was one of the friends that 378 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:38.400 helped to deceive the mother and again being friends, this 379 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.839 is the kind of type. She would know her daughter's friends. 380 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.559 That's the last person I would want to face in 381 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.920 light of what all that happened, And of course feeling 382 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:54.000 somewhat responsible since you did deceive the mother and she 383 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:56.920 walked on her own and this happened. So I don't 384 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.319 know if there's anything more, but I just feel bad 385 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:03.119 for the mother to think all of these things. The 386 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.880 way she be tormented her and Chad for the rest 387 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.599 of their lives is and part of the horror of 388 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:13.519 this story. Let's go to another story, talking about a 389 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:21.640 step daughter again. This is the deliciously dead stepdaughter Gregory Graf, 390 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.799 a fifty four year old, and we talked about the 391 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:28.839 introduction about seemingly normal people. You'll never look at your 392 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:33.079 neighbor the same. Again, let's talk about Gregory Graf, fifty 393 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:38.160 four years old and his stepdaughter, Jessica Paget, thirty three 394 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.920 years old. What happens? Where's his wife? Tell us? What 395 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:46.799 happens on this date? November tenth, twenty and fifteen. 396 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.960 Yeah, let's back up a couple of days before then, 397 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:52.640 either the eighth or the ninth, Gregory goes to a 398 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:57.079 sex shop and buys sex toys, brings them back home. 399 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:01.400 We would imagine then on November tenth, and he also 400 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.559 picks up a couple of video cameras. Now, then on 401 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.519