Speaker 1: All too often, true crime cases are riddled with stories
Speaker 1: of children who grew up in unfortunate circumstances and situations.
Speaker 1: Today is no different. However, in this case, the circumstances
Speaker 1: were specifically injected into the child's life in a corrupt
Speaker 1: means of puppetry by law enforcement for theirrom bidding. As
Speaker 1: a result, young Richard Wirche Junior would lead a convoluted
Speaker 1: life of crime and become the infamous drug dealer known
Speaker 1: as White Boy Rick after the authorities he helped turn
Speaker 1: their back on him. My name's Ben and.
Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a
Speaker 2: true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: The following podcast and material intended for mature audience. Just question,
Speaker 1: how's it going?
Speaker 2: I have a very important question for.
Speaker 1: You forty two. Only a certain amount of people and
Speaker 1: certain type of people will get that answer. But go ahead.
Speaker 2: I know I'm allowed to eat pieces off my gingerbread.
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, can I eat pieces off of yourreadhouse? No? That's fine, Okay,
Speaker 2: So we can only eat from our.
Speaker 1: Own well unless the other person person person person sanctions
Speaker 1: the specific request of a piece.
Speaker 2: Because I'm eyeing up some pieces on yours.
Speaker 1: You're not going for the shingles, are I am? No?
Speaker 1: Fuck you?
Speaker 2: So we made gingerbread houses the other day for the
Speaker 2: first time in oh my gosh, over ten years probably, yeah,
Speaker 2: And tonight I took my first two bites and now
Speaker 2: it's just going to be a downhill spiral for me.
Speaker 1: The only thing is, at what point do you run
Speaker 1: out of stuff that is not stale that you're eating?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, when does the are you desperate enough
Speaker 1: that you're.
Speaker 2: Eating stale pieces? Well, because some of the pieces we
Speaker 2: put on there were already stale, that's true, like the cheerios, But.
Speaker 1: Some of the things, like the jelly beans, they ain't
Speaker 1: going stale anytime soon.
Speaker 2: You know. Well, I'm kind of next year when we
Speaker 2: do these again, I'm going to rethink what I put
Speaker 2: on there as like what will last the longest for
Speaker 2: me to munch on.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea, yeah, yeah. But we we
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a competition with our gingerbread house.
Speaker 1: We set a time limit time limit. Specifically, Nicole noted
Speaker 1: the time twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: I thought that was oodles of time.
Speaker 1: We had to construct our house and decorate it in
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: And also plan because we had no plan when we started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just go.
Speaker 2: It was a shit. It was fun though, it was
Speaker 2: super fun, but I did not quite realize how fast
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes would go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when building a gingerbread house, it turns out twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes is not a whole lot of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So next year we're going to do a little bit different,
Speaker 1: I think, but we'll do it competition again. Because that
Speaker 1: was fun.
Speaker 2: It was really fun. I liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, the other day we did something else that
Speaker 1: was pretty fun that we haven't done for a while.
Speaker 1: We went to a hockey game, a live hockey game
Speaker 1: here and the WHL. We watched the Cougars, the Prince
Speaker 1: George Cougar's played the Victoria Royals. Who girls, Wow, that
Speaker 1: was lame. Anyways, it was the Teddy Bear Toss. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone out there has been to a
Speaker 1: teddy bear toss before.
Speaker 2: It was really fun actually, but everyone in.
Speaker 1: The audience brings a teddy bear or a stuffed animal
Speaker 1: of some sort, and when the home team scores their
Speaker 1: first goal, everyone whips the teddy bears out in the
Speaker 1: ice and the game is basically stalled for twenty minutes
Speaker 1: as they clean it up and then they donate them
Speaker 1: all to check.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's even fun to watch, Oh it is. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Cougars didn't score until the third period, so
Speaker 2: we ought to just snuggle our teddy bears in the
Speaker 2: stand while we were awaiting.
Speaker 1: Yep, and the Cougars won won nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: It was. We've actually been watching quite a bit of
Speaker 1: hockey late. You've been getting back into it following the
Speaker 1: Canucks because we're British Columbians, so got to support the
Speaker 1: home team. Look at us go Yeah, and they're actually
Speaker 1: doing pretty good and.
Speaker 2: I should mention too though. Back to this teddy bear toss.
Speaker 2: We had to go and buy a third teddy bear.
Speaker 2: Why was that.
Speaker 1: Because Ripley, our one husky, saw the teddy bear and
Speaker 1: she has mad ocd at times and rude all old
Speaker 1: she would not give up the idea of getting his
Speaker 1: teddy bear, so we finally caved and gave it to
Speaker 1: her and went and repurchased another one. Yeah, to be fair,
Speaker 1: she's loving it.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, well there's stuffing just all over our
Speaker 2: house on a daily basis now, Yeah, pretty much.
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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. Sorry, we're chatting a lot on this episode
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Speaker 2: So without further ado, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's get into this episode, which is going to be
Speaker 1: a part one, a part one, Part one of the
Speaker 1: story known as White Boy Rick. You ever heard of
Speaker 1: White Boy Rick before?
Speaker 2: No, And I'm very intrigued by your intro that you
Speaker 2: had too. It doesn't sound like it's very good.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting one. It's and I know, interesting is
Speaker 1: something that i've I've said for a lot of cases,
Speaker 1: but that word can describe many different types of cases
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, this is intriguing, it's a murder,
Speaker 1: it's intriguing, this is a mystery, it's intriguing. This one
Speaker 1: is interesting for the very specific fact on why not
Speaker 1: I wonder how like things like that, the mystery behind it,
Speaker 1: not like I wonder what was going on in that
Speaker 1: person's head. I wonder what could have driven him to that.
Speaker 1: There is no mystery to this. It's just why the
Speaker 1: fuck did that play out like that? Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: it's like watching the best way to put it. You
Speaker 1: know what it's like when you can't turn away from
Speaker 1: a plumber doing his job. It's just see three inches
Speaker 1: of butt crack sticking out there, and you're like, why
Speaker 1: doesn't he pull up his pants? Why doesn't he just
Speaker 1: buy pants that fit? Why isn't he wearing a belt?
Speaker 2: I would very much so be able to look away
Speaker 2: from that, but you would lie, but you'd.
Speaker 1: Be like oh, and then you look back again. You're
Speaker 1: still wondering why am I looking back? It's very much
Speaker 1: so like that, because there are so many things that
Speaker 1: just like what why would they do that? And that's
Speaker 1: what makes us a very interesting case today. So White
Speaker 1: Boy Rick is obviously a pseudonym. His name is Richard
Speaker 1: Wrschey Junior. He was a young boy who was born
Speaker 1: on July eighteenth of nineteen sixty nine, and he grew
Speaker 1: up living a completely relatively normal suburban life as a kid.
Speaker 1: He grew up with a sister, Dawn, his mother Darlene,
Speaker 1: and father Richard Senior. So Richard was junior and then
Speaker 1: his father was Richard Senior Oka or Rick okay right,
Speaker 1: So his father was clearly who he is named after,
Speaker 1: and more of his family were also around quite often.
Speaker 1: His grandparents actually lived right across the street from them.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm sure there's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of like family visits on the regular sort of thing
Speaker 1: going down. I mean, Rick Junior was living a life
Speaker 1: full of love and support at the time. Now, there
Speaker 1: were some shadows in the perfect world though, things from
Speaker 1: the outside that we see that are you know, perfect
Speaker 1: or not generally always what they perceived to be. So
Speaker 1: on the inside there was much more going on. Rick's
Speaker 1: parents would unfortunately be getting a divorce, something that many
Speaker 1: people can attest to. That is not the greatest thing
Speaker 1: that happens within a family, but it's becoming more and
Speaker 1: more common nowadays and a lot of people do have
Speaker 1: to deal with it, and little five year old Rick
Speaker 1: had to deal with his parents putting up. Now, in
Speaker 1: the divorce, Rick's mother wanted to take her children with her,
Speaker 1: but both Rick and his sister wanted to stay at
Speaker 1: home with their dad. So she respected her kids wishes
Speaker 1: and said, okay, you can stay with your dad, and
Speaker 1: she left the relationship with her kids living with their father.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the neighborhood the house was in was on the
Speaker 1: east side of Detroit, about seven miles or eleven kilometers
Speaker 1: from the city center. Now, initially the area was a
Speaker 1: nice working class area. I mean, they grew up in
Speaker 1: a nice suburban neighborhood, a nice, regular, loving family. But
Speaker 1: they lived there in the seventies eighties, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of the area when it was gaining a wide
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, excuse me, gaining widespread reputation for crime in
Speaker 1: the area of Detroit, you know, crime, violence, and more
Speaker 1: specifically drugs. Okay, the influx of cocaine was on the rise,
Speaker 1: and it would cause a nice suburban neighborhood that they
Speaker 1: lived in to quickly fall and deteriorate in a place
Speaker 1: now surrounded with quote unquote crack houses.
Speaker 2: Really, hey, yes.
Speaker 1: Apparently there were crack houses now popping up just across
Speaker 1: the street or down the street from their once lovely neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Oh geez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the friendly family home was not so friendly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and almost just like picture the neighborhood almost kind
Speaker 2: of like deteriorating in my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like a time lap sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunate, but that is kind of the case
Speaker 1: that was afflicting this Detroit neighborhood and so many other
Speaker 1: neighborhoods as well, unfortunately. So despite all of that, though,
Speaker 1: Rick was just like any other kid. He played Little
Speaker 1: league baseball. He was a pitcher actually, and in the
Speaker 1: eighth grade he would actually move away from his dad's
Speaker 1: and go move in with his mom in the suburbs
Speaker 1: of Macomb County there. You know, he got good grades,
Speaker 1: he was a popular kid, and he did everything to
Speaker 1: you know, make a mother proud sort of situation. And
Speaker 1: after that year, though, Rick did decide that, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to go move back in with dad.
Speaker 1: So that's what he did. And it is unfortunate that
Speaker 1: Rick's dad, Rick Senior, was into some shady practices.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, because I was like, when how is
Speaker 2: this going to turn south? Here?
Speaker 1: Well, it's not per se Rick Senior's fault by any means,
Speaker 1: let's put it that way. But I'll fill you in here. Now,
Speaker 1: Rick Senior, he was a very bright individual to start with.
Speaker 1: He was an entrepreneur, you know, a bit of a hustler.
Speaker 1: He reportedly held, according to his daughter, more patents in
Speaker 1: the state of Michigan than anyone else had at the time.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm not too sure what kind of stuff
Speaker 1: he had patented or how many patents, but I mean
Speaker 1: that's a pretty extravagant claim in itself. Well, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of cool even to say, Like, even if she's
Speaker 1: over exaggerating, it's like, oh, he held more than anybody.
Speaker 1: Clearly he held a lot, which I've never held a patent.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever even met anyone that.
Speaker 1: Has, right, So that in itself is pretty cool feet,
Speaker 1: especially if he's had multiple totally. Now, unfortunately, he did
Speaker 1: have his darker practices as an illegal gun dealer. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so he would deal illegal guns on the black market
Speaker 1: and help individuals even get illicit permits. One individual who
Speaker 1: he did deal with actually even went on to say
Speaker 1: later that he could get you anything, like he could
Speaker 1: even get your grenades.
Speaker 2: My goodness, Yeah, how I have had.
Speaker 1: No clue, But apparently that was the case. He worked
Speaker 1: with individuals and gangs alike. He had built up a
Speaker 1: reputation as a go to guy in certain circles. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're able to get someone a grenade, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling you're probably gonna build up a certain reputation.
Speaker 1: But Rick Senior, like I said, was smart. He figured
Speaker 1: out a way to double dip. Oh so he's selling
Speaker 1: these guns to these individuals on the street, right, He's
Speaker 1: selling these firearms to whoever was looking for a firearm,
Speaker 1: collect the payment, and then once he had the payment
Speaker 1: and he had sold the firearm, he would then turn
Speaker 1: around and divulge the names of the individuals who he
Speaker 1: had sold the guns do directly to the authorities, and
Speaker 1: receive a payout for them as well for being an informant.
Speaker 2: Really, yes, how the hell is that happening and lasting?
Speaker 2: Because you think that someone would find that out?
Speaker 1: You know, yes, so I think you'd have to be
Speaker 1: very careful about it, and so would the authorities because
Speaker 1: the authorities also don't want to lose an informant, right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I imagine that the people that you're
Speaker 2: dealing with are not necessarily I don't know, how would
Speaker 2: you put it, you know, I'm trying to think of it.
Speaker 1: They're probably shady people who okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, how do I put this without
Speaker 2: you know, insulting everybody? Kind of?
Speaker 1: I see, I got you, don't worry about it. But no,
Speaker 1: like Rick Senior, he was playing both sides and he
Speaker 1: did it well. Now, of course the authorities know he's
Speaker 1: playing both sides, but I mean to get the information
Speaker 1: from him. Hey, that's the price that they're paying, right,
Speaker 1: a little bit of cash and he's doing his thing. Okay, sure,
Speaker 1: we're getting the names, we're getting the inside information. That's
Speaker 1: the important thing to them. As a result with Rick
Speaker 1: Senior and it's connections, Rick Junior would also eventually become
Speaker 1: an informant and involved with the authorities. By the age
Speaker 1: of just fourteen years old, Rick Junior will be recruited
Speaker 1: by the FBI as an informant, which is it is
Speaker 1: important to note that the FBI records actually do, in
Speaker 1: fact confirm their relationship with him being an informant. This
Speaker 1: is a documented thing, not just a claim.
Speaker 2: At fourteen years old. Correct, That doesn't even seem like
Speaker 2: that should be legal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not, oh really per se. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know about legality issues when you're talking about being an
Speaker 1: informant with the FBI and what they can do in
Speaker 1: strings they can pull, but it's certainly not a practice
Speaker 1: that I think many would say is good practice.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so that seems so young.
Speaker 1: You're literally involving a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyways, Rick's dad, being the hustler that he is,
Speaker 1: he kind of helped push it as means to earn
Speaker 1: some extra income as well. Now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: he didn't take all Rixs Junior's money. I'm certain they
Speaker 1: were both getting paid for Rick Junior now being involved
Speaker 1: is as an informant as well, because Rick Junior certainly
Speaker 1: was getting a paycheck from it, and the two would
Speaker 1: work like side by side for a while, with Senior
Speaker 1: divulging names and Junior becoming to begin to like actually
Speaker 1: infiltrate the local gangs, like physically he's on the ground,
Speaker 1: getting in there, talking with people, making relationships.
Speaker 2: And rich who Rick June.
Speaker 1: Junior at fourteen years old? The hell correct? That was
Speaker 1: my reaction too, So he would actually be there in
Speaker 1: the gang learning talking, making his way into the inner circles,
Speaker 1: and then he would go back talk to both his
Speaker 1: dad and the FBI and divulge information, names, locations, even
Speaker 1: drug activities such as arrivals of shipments or dates in
Speaker 1: times of exchanges, you name it.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm really not liking this. That just seems like
Speaker 2: they're putting him in such a dangerous situation when he's
Speaker 2: he's still a kid, Like, how is how is he
Speaker 2: going to if shit goes self, get out of a
Speaker 2: situation attention, Like he may not know how to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's the exact problem with this. It's you
Speaker 1: don't have someone who's maybe a trained authority figure who's
Speaker 1: gone through boot camps and like this is their job
Speaker 1: and they have got like they're wired up bulletproof vests,
Speaker 1: you know, they've got a gun on their hip and stuff.
Speaker 1: They literally just have a kid and they're like, go
Speaker 1: in the gang.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. This really isn't sitting well with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me either, trust Mikes.
Speaker 2: I'm also a little bit I'm not judging his dad,
Speaker 2: but I'm like a little bit surprised that he is
Speaker 2: okay with that.
Speaker 1: To allow it to happen. Ye yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree. Now. Of course to do all this, Rick
Speaker 1: Junior literally did have to infiltrate his way in. He
Speaker 1: can't just walk up in a gang and be like, sup, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the gang particularly that they were targeting and they
Speaker 1: were wanting Rick Junior to go after and learn about
Speaker 1: was the Curry Gang. So it was run by the
Speaker 1: Curry brothers, okay, and so he needed to gain their
Speaker 1: trust and show them that he wanted to get into
Speaker 1: selling narcotics and do and all this sort of stuff, right,
Speaker 1: And it only actually took Rick a couple months before
Speaker 1: he was able to get to the top of the
Speaker 1: gang and basically be the protege in the business in
Speaker 1: the industry, like next to the gang leader sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's a bit surprising, but I guess maybe
Speaker 2: he's like kind of just smart and kind of an
Speaker 2: entrepreneur like his dad potentially.
Speaker 1: But like, authorities didn't even think that this would be possible,
Speaker 1: especially even this quick. They're like, wait, what, you're sitting
Speaker 1: here next to like the Curry brothers at the head
Speaker 1: of this. Now you got all their information. You're their
Speaker 1: little like protege son, little brother sort of situation. How
Speaker 1: did you pull that off?
Speaker 2: But then the Curry brothers they may like that too,
Speaker 2: because it's like this young boy that they can mold
Speaker 2: to be turned into what they really want.
Speaker 1: Yes, so that young age could have played into their
Speaker 1: hand totally. Now, it was estimated that over the short
Speaker 1: course of Rick your informant career, he would collect up
Speaker 1: over thirty five thousand dollars in payment for his inside
Speaker 1: activities and information with the authorities. So the authorities actually
Speaker 1: paid him thirty five thousand dollars in total approximately to
Speaker 1: do this sort of stuff. And mind you, this is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: back in the day sort of thing couple years ago.
Speaker 2: At first I'm like, well, that's not really a lot,
Speaker 2: but then I guess back then that's worth a lot more.
Speaker 1: You could probably buy a house for that back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and not to mention any money he had brought
Speaker 1: in from potentially drug sales or gang affiliations or you know,
Speaker 1: being the protege. Here go off and have a good weekend.
Speaker 1: Here's a thousand bucks or something from right, you know,
Speaker 1: a drug lord sort of situation. Now, Rick no longer
Speaker 1: lived the life of a regular teenager. Clearly, if you
Speaker 1: haven't picked that up. By now, he no longer played baseball,
Speaker 1: nor did he seek out certain high school clicks to
Speaker 1: want to be a part of. Instead, he was running drugs,
Speaker 1: he was learning the business, he was learning gang operations,
Speaker 1: all at the request the FBI. I want to make
Speaker 1: that very clear. He is in the gangs. He is
Speaker 1: learning all this. He is doing this at the request
Speaker 1: of the authorities.
Speaker 2: Oh and something that you said to just like hit
Speaker 2: me so hard where he's no longer playing baseball, And oh,
Speaker 2: that's kind of hard to digest there. His child is
Speaker 2: just like gets is gone gone.
Speaker 1: It is at this point he is no longer a kid.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Now, the arrests were pouring in left, right, and center.
Speaker 1: They were even up to thirteen arrests made in a
Speaker 1: single day in nineteen eighty five, solely due to Rick's
Speaker 1: intel he had given to the authorities in a single day.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I don't know, I mean, but they're also
Speaker 2: they would probably never ever suspect him.
Speaker 1: No, you would think not, But I mean, who's to say, right,
Speaker 1: So Rick was, of course a priceless resource for the FBI.
Speaker 1: Means he had I believe around the time he was
Speaker 1: about sixteen, which is a little bit premature for where
Speaker 1: we're at now. I think he's only about fifteen right now,
Speaker 1: but it didn't write this piece in here. So about
Speaker 1: when he's sixteen, I think he had twenty what's the
Speaker 1: word when they actually go through court and their oh, convictions, convictions.
Speaker 1: He had twenty convictions within like a year of working
Speaker 1: with the FBI. That is a lot convictions.
Speaker 2: Whoa they need to give him a raise?
Speaker 1: No kidding, big time. Well, like I said, he was
Speaker 1: priceless though so clearly they know that, and as it
Speaker 1: turns out, other authority figures were having their eye on
Speaker 1: him as well. He was priceless not only to the FBI,
Speaker 1: but to other authority figures. The local police, for example,
Speaker 1: as it turns out, also began using Rick to aid them.
Speaker 1: He was taking part in nighttime drives in unmarked police
Speaker 1: cars at times, even driving around identifying people. He would
Speaker 1: be out until about three a m. When he's got
Speaker 1: school at seven am.
Speaker 2: Man, this is I this is bathroom me A little
Speaker 2: bit this.
Speaker 1: Right now, He's about fifteen years old and he was
Speaker 1: being called every which direction by the authorities. It didn't
Speaker 1: seem like they cared for his well being. Or education
Speaker 1: for that matter at all. Yeah, all they wanted was
Speaker 1: to use Rick as this tool. They're like, you got
Speaker 1: school in the morning, you got math, You're you're not
Speaker 1: doing it good at math. Yeah, we want to get
Speaker 1: like a drug dealer, So suck it up, let's go
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: And was he I mean, maybe this is too early
Speaker 2: to be asking this, but was he doing this on
Speaker 2: his own free will?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, of course it was his own free will.
Speaker 1: I mean he's getting paid, you know, it's good money.
Speaker 1: It's especially for this time and a kid. And I
Speaker 1: can't imagine a kid being in a situation where the
Speaker 1: police are like, you're helping us, Like, what's a kid
Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, no, huh, you're gonna say no to
Speaker 1: the FBI. You're gonna say no to the police when
Speaker 1: they knock on your door at at night and say
Speaker 1: let's go for a drive.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I almost wonder if he's doing it
Speaker 2: completely on his own free will or if he's kind
Speaker 2: of being like roped into it in a sense where
Speaker 2: he feels like he can't be saying no. Oh.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were certain points when that was the case.
Speaker 1: I mean, think of it this way too. If he
Speaker 1: says no, maybe he could be thinking, well, maybe they'll
Speaker 1: just arrest my dad for selling guns. Maybe he's helping
Speaker 1: police for more than that reason. Though, that's something that
Speaker 1: came from my head. I've never heard that from any
Speaker 1: research or documentaries that I watched, But that could be
Speaker 1: a possibility that was at play.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So eventually things began adding up a little bit too
Speaker 1: much for the gang that Rick had infiltrated in. Too
Speaker 1: many people are getting arrested, too many operations robusted, too
Speaker 1: many products was getting seized. They knew someone within their
Speaker 1: circle was a mole, someone was a rat, someone was
Speaker 1: talking to police, but who. Meetings began to occur within
Speaker 1: the gang and they discussed the possibility of who it
Speaker 1: could be, and eventually they landed on that it must
Speaker 1: be Rick Junior.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: So, while Rick was at one of these houses, one
Speaker 1: of these drug houses one day he went up to
Speaker 1: the top of this went up the stairs after being called,
Speaker 1: and as soon as he reached the top, someone round
Speaker 1: the corner and boom shot him in the stomach point
Speaker 1: blank with a three point fifty seven magnum The bullet
Speaker 1: entered his stomach, tore his large intestine in half and
Speaker 1: exited out his back.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Rick as a result, rolled down the stairs and began
Speaker 1: begging them to call nine one one, which of course
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Now, lucky for him, one of the girlfriends that was
Speaker 1: there did in fact actually call an ambulance, and they
Speaker 1: arrived just as Rick was getting stuffed into the back
Speaker 1: seat of a car. Whether they intended to take him
Speaker 1: to the hospital for assistance or to dump him somewhere
Speaker 1: is unknown.
Speaker 2: But I guess we could assume I think so.
Speaker 1: The ambulance was thankfully able to get him to the
Speaker 1: medical get him to medical attention, and get him the
Speaker 1: life saving help that he needed. But this wasn't the
Speaker 1: end of his working for the FBI or the authorities.
Speaker 2: It should be, though, I mean, like he's in some
Speaker 2: serious danger because if he lives that through this, like
Speaker 2: they're they're not just gonna let him go.
Speaker 1: No, you don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how it works. Hmmm, I really don't.
Speaker 1: So what do you think is going to happen if
Speaker 1: he lives through this? I'm curious where your mind's at.
Speaker 1: Fun fact, he does live through this.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean, I guess my thought is that
Speaker 2: he kind of needs to go through some sort of
Speaker 2: protective services. Is that what it's called. Yep, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and or else he's going to Basically, they're not going
Speaker 2: to stop. They're like, that's a big deal. What he's
Speaker 2: done to the gang, Like a huge deal. Yes, And
Speaker 2: I mean I can only imagine they would want him dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're thinking, Okay, so they know he's an informant,
Speaker 1: they shot him, he's now recovering in the hospital, the
Speaker 1: authorities should come seek them and put him in protective
Speaker 1: services and out of story.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I can't see it ending any other way
Speaker 2: in his favor whatsoever. Not even that ending in protective
Speaker 2: services in his favor though.
Speaker 1: Well, while Rick was recovering in the hospital, the members
Speaker 1: of the authorities that Rick had been working directly with
Speaker 1: the FBI made their way to the hospital as well.
Speaker 1: And it was in that very hospital they realized the
Speaker 1: situation they were actually in if it got out that
Speaker 1: they were taking advantage of a kid, because that's what
Speaker 1: he is, a kid starting at the age of fourteen,
Speaker 1: to infiltrate a dangerous and aries rug gang for information,
Speaker 1: and they got him shot and almost killed. They would
Speaker 1: be in some serious hot water.
Speaker 2: Are they just thinking about this right the fuck now?
Speaker 1: I mean pretty much? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, And aren't people like on the FBI so i'll see,
Speaker 2: pretty like intelligent.
Speaker 1: I'm sure some are. I'm sure some of these guys
Speaker 1: were too. Maybe they just weren't thinking. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Well, their thought process here gets even more fucked up
Speaker 1: because this is when they realized that they were going
Speaker 1: to double down.
Speaker 2: Okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: So, I mean their thought process does make sense. I'll
Speaker 1: grant them. This doesn't mean it's okay. But if Rick
Speaker 1: did not come back and the guy who shot him
Speaker 1: got arrested, then the gang would know for sure that
Speaker 1: of course Rick was the rat. Right If Rick, however,
Speaker 1: did come back and he quote lied to the authorities,
Speaker 1: this is remember the FBI is coming up with this
Speaker 1: saying that it was an accident and acted like nothing
Speaker 1: ever happened, and it should be clear that he's not.
Speaker 2: The rat because if he was, then whoever shot him
Speaker 2: would be arrested. Correct, And the FBI is came up
Speaker 2: with this correct.
Speaker 1: Not only that, it's also the best way for the
Speaker 1: FBI and the authorities to sweep the incident under the rug,
Speaker 1: thus saving their own ass from almost getting a now
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kid killed.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well they're just basically not gonna protect
Speaker 2: him and just put him back in danger.
Speaker 1: Yes, so they're saying this is the best way of
Speaker 1: not only protect our ass, but it's the best way
Speaker 1: for you to not be labeled as the rat. But
Speaker 1: you still not protected.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, this is terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and it's surprising. It's surprising, But then
Speaker 2: I guess in a way it's also not.
Speaker 1: And which way is it not?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Because lots of times you hear about
Speaker 2: like authorities being a bit dirty or whatever, right and corrupt.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 1: There's good ones out there too, don't get us wrong.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, but I mean like like point zero
Speaker 2: one percent or probably even less. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well that they say, like one bad apple
Speaker 1: spoils the bunch, right, So that's exactly yeah.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, I guess they just like had
Speaker 2: higher expectations to especially like the FBI. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm blowing now a fair deduction. I can't believe on that.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Uh, that's exactly what they did. They sent
Speaker 1: Rick right back in there.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sent him right back in with the gangs.
Speaker 1: Rick acted like nothing ever happened, like yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: actually whatever, I don't care, I'm not the rat, like whatever.
Speaker 1: And it kind of cleared his name. They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: this kid must not have been the rat.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, Well then can you just leave at
Speaker 2: that point?
Speaker 1: Well no, because they still want him working in there.
Speaker 1: They still want some.
Speaker 2: Information the FBI or the the FBI. Good God.
Speaker 1: So I mean this, like I said, it did clear
Speaker 1: his name, but not indefinitely. Some still believe that Rick
Speaker 1: was behind it all, and eventually a hit man by
Speaker 1: the name of Gil Hill was hired to kill Rick
Speaker 1: worst of all. Now this is a few months later,
Speaker 1: and by this time, the authorities had now cut ties
Speaker 1: with Rick. He was no longer one of their informants,
Speaker 1: and they didn't do so much as debriefing them on
Speaker 1: exiting their relationship either. The authorities knew what was going
Speaker 1: on and it was a high risk and that it
Speaker 1: was only a matter of time until word got out
Speaker 1: or until Rick got heart again or shot or worse killed,
Speaker 1: so they made the decision to just cut ties before
Speaker 1: they could be held accountable whatsoever for what happened to him.
Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Rick was now left at sixteen years old, fully
Speaker 1: engulfed in the gang world at the requests of the
Speaker 1: FBI and the police, and they didn't do anything to
Speaker 1: ensure that he would get out of this lifestyle or
Speaker 1: offer him any sort of resources to get out of
Speaker 1: his current situation. They simply left him high and dry
Speaker 1: and didn't even say goodbye. They just stopped calling him.
Speaker 2: Huh. I am shocked. This doesn't even seem like this
Speaker 2: is true.
Speaker 1: This is like very true.
Speaker 2: I cannot comprehend that this legitimately.
Speaker 1: Happens, see what I mean? This is such an interesting
Speaker 1: case because it's like, how could this happen? How is
Speaker 1: this still happening? Why is this still going on? Just
Speaker 1: like looking at the fucking crack of a plumber's ass,
Speaker 1: It's like, why is he not worrying a belt? Why
Speaker 1: didn't he pull his pants up?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why? Why? There's so many fucking whys.
Speaker 2: Gosh do we have to keep talking about plumber's ass?
Speaker 1: I'm committed. Now I'm sorry, Okay, So anyways, I digress.
Speaker 1: Rick had nothing else to do but to continue in
Speaker 1: the gang world. He was a kid when he was
Speaker 1: injected into it. He's a kid now. He knew nothing else.
Speaker 1: And to quote him directly, I became addicted to the lifestyle.
Speaker 1: I became addicted to the money. I became addicted to
Speaker 1: the women. I became addicted to that life. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly the case.
Speaker 2: That is just heartbreaking, it really is. When he should
Speaker 2: be at that like addicted to playing baseball or whatever, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: riding bikes on, hanging out with hiss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, discovering going fishing at the river, or the girl
Speaker 1: who sits just left of him in math class, like
Speaker 1: maybe rebuilding a new car. He's sixteen, he's at that
Speaker 1: age like those sort of things, you know, But instead
Speaker 1: he's learning how to be a drug runner, a drug lord.
Speaker 1: And just it's fucked.
Speaker 2: I mean they I don't know how this story ends
Speaker 2: or whatever, but they took his life.
Speaker 1: Away, they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they changed the director of trajectory of it. Right
Speaker 2: at fourteen. Oh, it is so young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean Rick is he's now on his own.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even have the authorities there, even though they're
Speaker 1: the ones who put him in this situation. And Rick
Speaker 1: would face the next attempt to take his life all
Speaker 1: by himself. He was in a car with a friend
Speaker 1: when a van pulled up next to him at a
Speaker 1: stomp light. The door slowly began to start opening next
Speaker 1: to the vehicle, and when it opened, there was the hitman,
Speaker 1: Gil Hill, and he began firing and unloading a mac ten,
Speaker 1: but after only a couple bullets, the gun jammed, and
Speaker 1: Rick and his friend sped through that red light and
Speaker 1: got away with their lives. Whoa the hit man? I
Speaker 1: was watching an interview with him. He's in jail now
Speaker 1: and he's saying, they're a because the gun jammed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had like a guardian angel of sort.
Speaker 1: Yes they did, because that.
Speaker 2: Probably shouldn't have happened. I'm imagining that this man has
Speaker 2: if he's a hit man. This wasn't his first rodeo.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, not at all. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: guy who hired him to shoot him for the hit
Speaker 1: and everything, Gil told him he's like when I was
Speaker 1: getting hired. In the interview, sorry I'm stumbling is here.
Speaker 1: In the interview he was talking about how the guy
Speaker 1: hired him and he said, make sure that this doesn't
Speaker 1: get back to anyone. And this hit man said, you know,
Speaker 1: none of the hits I've done have ever gotten back
Speaker 1: to anyone.
Speaker 2: H Okay, yeah, nice.
Speaker 1: So that in itself is like okay, yeah, how many
Speaker 1: what's your number?
Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And with this situation with Rick getting shot at
Speaker 1: at this point, I mean, he really didn't bat any
Speaker 1: at this at this point in time, no one in
Speaker 1: their circles really did. Honestly, their life was always on
Speaker 1: the line. They became so desensitized to it. A Rick's
Speaker 1: already been shot and survived. He's a kid. He's damn
Speaker 1: near becoming a drug well not a drug lord, but
Speaker 1: he's in these big drug circles. He's probably like super
Speaker 1: high and adrenaline and power and life. He's probably thinking
Speaker 1: he's invincible, like most kids do at the time, let
Speaker 1: alone being in his situation. It just kept going. Life
Speaker 1: went on, and as such, Rick continued to do his thing.
Speaker 1: He was dealing drugs, not only dealing, but importing and
Speaker 1: operating relatively large scale operations of multi kilos of cocaine.
Speaker 1: He was no kingpin or a drug lord, as I
Speaker 1: was saying, but he was certainly making some ripples in
Speaker 1: like the local ocean of the drug world. The media
Speaker 1: was now beginning to pick up on Rick and who
Speaker 1: he was, his name, and that is when they dubbed
Speaker 1: him and gave him the nickname White Rick, primarily for
Speaker 1: being the white boy within the groups of black individuals.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see, but.
Speaker 1: The stories that were being run about Rick were painting
Speaker 1: him as a murderer, a drug lord, something, and someone
Speaker 1: way more powerful than than he actually was. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: his name and reputation certainly was getting blown in bigger proportions.
Speaker 1: But he was a drug dealer. Don't get me wrong
Speaker 1: in that he was still in gangs. He was involved
Speaker 1: in these things, but they were making him seem so
Speaker 1: much more and so much more powerful or its dangerous.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was. I feel like the media just.
Speaker 1: Does which they do. You're not wrong there. And this
Speaker 1: all leads us to the date of May twenty third,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. Rick was working with an incoming shipment
Speaker 1: of cocaine from a Colombian wholesale dealer. Rick was in
Speaker 1: charge of ten kilos. He dropped off ten kilos of
Speaker 1: cocaine to its location and got the cash for it. Now,
Speaker 1: I do want to stipulate this. Some sources will say
Speaker 1: it's actually eighteen kilos of cocaine, and that is because
Speaker 1: of what's coming up here shortly, but that is technically
Speaker 1: up for debate. Confirmed ten potentially eighteen. So as he
Speaker 1: had the cash, he no longer had the ten kilos
Speaker 1: of cocaine. As was dropped off, he was driving down
Speaker 1: the road heading back to drop the cash off to
Speaker 1: where he needs to go because he's just kind of
Speaker 1: like the middleman. He'll get his payment, but the cash
Speaker 1: is certainly not his. So as he was driving down
Speaker 1: the road with the cash, he was stopped. He was
Speaker 1: stopped by a cop, apparently for running a stop sign,
Speaker 1: and he stopped right outside his dad's house. In that stop,
Speaker 1: Rick was told that he was under arrest for possession
Speaker 1: of drugs. But the thing is he had already sold
Speaker 1: the drugs. He didn't have any on them, just the cash.
Speaker 1: So Rick said, He's like, hey, I've got nothing on me.
Speaker 1: Like search my freaking car if you want. I have
Speaker 1: no drugs. But when the police held up the bag
Speaker 1: of cash, that's when things got a went a little
Speaker 1: bit south. Now, this part is a little bit foggy
Speaker 1: to me. I did my best research that I could,
Speaker 1: and there is one thing I'm unsure on. It's unclear
Speaker 1: to me if it was Rick Senior or Rick Junior.
Speaker 1: So what I do know is Rick Senior because he
Speaker 1: was right outside his dad's house. So he came running
Speaker 1: out and grabbed the bag of money out of the
Speaker 1: officer's hand and a tussle ensued. Now I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like a fight. It was just like a struggle for
Speaker 1: the bag of money sort of situation. And the part
Speaker 1: I'm not sure is if it was Rick Senior or
Speaker 1: Rick Junior who with the bag in hand ran.
Speaker 2: Okay, But like really, it doesn't seem they're doing anything
Speaker 2: wrong just having a bag of money. I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess the police are assuming why they have that money.
Speaker 1: Yes, but regardless, one of them ran with the bag
Speaker 1: of money, and so it would take about twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes later they would be located hiding in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: with the money, and a search in the area commenced
Speaker 1: as well to try and find drugs that may have
Speaker 1: been stashed as a result of the running off with
Speaker 1: the cash. Because hey, he ran off with the money,
Speaker 1: he probably ran off with the drugs too, right, No,
Speaker 1: So after three hours, they received a quote anonymous tip
Speaker 1: and found eight kilos of cocaine stashed one block away
Speaker 1: under someone's porch, and Rick Junior was accused of possessing
Speaker 1: it and attempting to hide it.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Rick, to this day claims he was set up.
Speaker 2: By who exactly.
Speaker 1: The authorities?
Speaker 2: WHOA my gosh.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're going to end today's episode.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm pissed right now because my anxiety
Speaker 2: for the last ten minutes is through the roof, because
Speaker 2: like when he said, this is a part one, but
Speaker 2: it almost oh man like, it almost seemed like it
Speaker 2: was you were kind of like going to close it off,
Speaker 2: but you didn't. You didn't at all. I just did, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but not in a way that I can like rest.
Speaker 1: Well, well, that's the point. I want you to listen
Speaker 1: to part two. And also, this is legitimately what happened.
Speaker 1: So the thing is, apparently I'm assuming it was Rick
Speaker 1: Junior who ran off with the cash, not Rick Senior,
Speaker 1: but apparently he ran off with the cash and eight
Speaker 1: kilograms of cocaine.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, but I have absolutely no idea
Speaker 2: what that would look like.
Speaker 1: In my mind, a kilogram is like what two and
Speaker 1: a half pounds or something like that, I think, or
Speaker 1: three and a half. Hold on, I'm gonna google it.
Speaker 1: How many pounds in a kilogram? Two point two pounds?
Speaker 1: So he's running off with what's eight times two point two?
Speaker 1: Well we go eight times two sixteen, So you're seventeen.
Speaker 2: Pounds of shit on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the cop couldn't catch him and didn't see
Speaker 1: him running with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't I don't. I don't buy that.
Speaker 1: And they got a quote anonymous tip. Huh now not.
Speaker 2: It was under someone's porch. I feel like you have
Speaker 2: found that would have just been.
Speaker 1: Like, whoa, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna personally go on the record and say
Speaker 1: I am very suspicious clearly of this quote anonymous tip,
Speaker 1: and eight kilograms of cocaine to me seems planted. However,
Speaker 1: we do know Rick is a drug dealer, so that
Speaker 1: it doesn't really change things. It just gave him means
Speaker 1: to arrest him. But I mean, they they created Rick,
Speaker 1: They literally created white.
Speaker 2: Boy Rick and now it sounds like they're turning on him.
Speaker 2: They are Oh gosh, this is just beyond messed up.
Speaker 1: It's a wild ride this case, trust me, because we
Speaker 1: aren't even into the accusations, the trial, the results, all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yet I can't even fathom what else is going to
Speaker 2: go on.
Speaker 1: It's the best words I can describe it. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's really fucking interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you're really not wrong with that description.
Speaker 2: Hmm okay, wow. I literally cannot wait for part two.
Speaker 1: There is a Hollywood movie that was actually out over
Speaker 1: this which I have not watched the Hollywood production yet.
Speaker 1: I have watched documentaries on this case. But the Hollywood movie,
Speaker 1: I believe it stars Matthew McConaughey, actually called White Boy Rick.
Speaker 2: Really I want to watch that shit.
Speaker 1: We should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna watch it. Anyways. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being here. Hopefully you enjoyed part one of White Boy Rick.
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Speaker 1: I'm rambling. Thank you, You're amazing, You're wicked.
Speaker 2: Well done. Thanks. We're going to be on the edge
Speaker 2: of our seats for a whole week probably.
Speaker 1: This was a fun case to research, thankfully. Like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's no like major death or anything in this Well,
Speaker 1: there is some death if you watch some documentaries surrounding
Speaker 1: the gangs and stuff like that. But with with Rick specifically,
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't die. He's been shot and everything.
Speaker 1: He survives. That's fantastic and.
Speaker 2: That's oh right, okay, what, well, that's good. Hint.
Speaker 1: No, he was already shot.
Speaker 2: I told you, well no, but I'm still thinking sit
Speaker 2: could go down with him potentially that he gets like
Speaker 2: super hurt or killed.
Speaker 1: No, he's he's alive today. Okay, Yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Okay, huh, Now, I like freak, I don't I thought
Speaker 2: first I was like Okay, that's helpful. I can sleep now,
Speaker 2: but now I don't actually know if it is because
Speaker 2: I still want to know what the hell's happening.
Speaker 1: No, I can strongly easily tell you he is alive
Speaker 1: today and still with confidence tell you you're gonna fucking
Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck with the rest of part two?
Speaker 2: Holy shit? Okay, yeah, well until then.
Speaker 1: Until then, stay wicked.