WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:10.599 All too often, true crime cases are riddled with stories 2 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:14.800 of children who grew up in unfortunate circumstances and situations. 3 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:20.039 Today is no different. However, in this case, the circumstances 4 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:23.719 were specifically injected into the child's life in a corrupt 5 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:29.039 means of puppetry by law enforcement for theirrom bidding. As 6 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:33.039 a result, young Richard Wirche Junior would lead a convoluted 7 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:37.159 life of crime and become the infamous drug dealer known 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:41.520 as White Boy Rick after the authorities he helped turn 9 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:45.439 their back on him. My name's Ben and. 10 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:48.759 I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a 11 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:50.119 true crime podcast. 12 00:00:52.479 --> 00:01:00.679 The following podcast and material intended for mature audience. Just question, 13 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:26.000 how's it going? 14 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:27.959 I have a very important question for. 15 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.560 You forty two. Only a certain amount of people and 16 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.599 certain type of people will get that answer. But go ahead. 17 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.159 I know I'm allowed to eat pieces off my gingerbread. 18 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:37.799 No? 19 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:43.200 No, can I eat pieces off of yourreadhouse? No? That's fine, Okay, 20 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.120 So we can only eat from our. 21 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.879 Own well unless the other person person person person sanctions 22 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:53.599 the specific request of a piece. 23 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.200 Because I'm eyeing up some pieces on yours. 24 00:01:57.239 --> 00:01:59.200 You're not going for the shingles, are I am? No? 25 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:00.000 Fuck you? 26 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.719 So we made gingerbread houses the other day for the 27 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:07.760 first time in oh my gosh, over ten years probably, yeah, 28 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:12.599 And tonight I took my first two bites and now 29 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.599 it's just going to be a downhill spiral for me. 30 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:17.039 The only thing is, at what point do you run 31 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:19.439 out of stuff that is not stale that you're eating? 32 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.000 You know, yeah, when does the are you desperate enough 33 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:23.439 that you're. 34 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.080 Eating stale pieces? Well, because some of the pieces we 35 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:29.759 put on there were already stale, that's true, like the cheerios, But. 36 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:31.719 Some of the things, like the jelly beans, they ain't 37 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:32.919 going stale anytime soon. 38 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.159 You know. Well, I'm kind of next year when we 39 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:37.520 do these again, I'm going to rethink what I put 40 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.120 on there as like what will last the longest for 41 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:40.919 me to munch on. 42 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.520 That's not a bad idea, yeah, yeah. But we we 43 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.280 had a little bit of a competition with our gingerbread house. 44 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.319 We set a time limit time limit. Specifically, Nicole noted 45 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.240 the time twenty five minutes. 46 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.000 I thought that was oodles of time. 47 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.120 We had to construct our house and decorate it in 48 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:58.919 twenty five minutes. 49 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.840 And also plan because we had no plan when we started. 50 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:02.960 Yeah, it was just go. 51 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:05.479 It was a shit. It was fun though, it was 52 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.280 super fun, but I did not quite realize how fast 53 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:09.520 twenty five minutes would go. 54 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.039 Yeah, when building a gingerbread house, it turns out twenty 55 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:13.680 five minutes is not a whole lot of time. 56 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:14.360 Yeah. 57 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.680 So next year we're going to do a little bit different, 58 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:19.840 I think, but we'll do it competition again. Because that 59 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:20.240 was fun. 60 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:21.800 It was really fun. I liked it. 61 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.759 Yeah. Actually, the other day we did something else that 62 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:26.840 was pretty fun that we haven't done for a while. 63 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.120 We went to a hockey game, a live hockey game 64 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:33.120 here and the WHL. We watched the Cougars, the Prince 65 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:39.120 George Cougar's played the Victoria Royals. Who girls, Wow, that 66 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:43.400 was lame. Anyways, it was the Teddy Bear Toss. I 67 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:44.879 don't know if anyone out there has been to a 68 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:45.960 teddy bear toss before. 69 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.159 It was really fun actually, but everyone in. 70 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:51.080 The audience brings a teddy bear or a stuffed animal 71 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.039 of some sort, and when the home team scores their 72 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.000 first goal, everyone whips the teddy bears out in the 73 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.199 ice and the game is basically stalled for twenty minutes 74 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:00.599 as they clean it up and then they donate them 75 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:01.280 all to check. 76 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.800 Yeah, but that's even fun to watch, Oh it is. Yeah. 77 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.439 So the Cougars didn't score until the third period, so 78 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.960 we ought to just snuggle our teddy bears in the 79 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:10.159 stand while we were awaiting. 80 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.000 Yep, and the Cougars won won nothing. 81 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:14.199 Yeah, it was awesome. 82 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:16.160 It was. We've actually been watching quite a bit of 83 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.759 hockey late. You've been getting back into it following the 84 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.639 Canucks because we're British Columbians, so got to support the 85 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.839 home team. Look at us go Yeah, and they're actually 86 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:25.680 doing pretty good and. 87 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.120 I should mention too though. Back to this teddy bear toss. 88 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.000 We had to go and buy a third teddy bear. 89 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:31.639 Why was that. 90 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.959 Because Ripley, our one husky, saw the teddy bear and 91 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.920 she has mad ocd at times and rude all old 92 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.480 she would not give up the idea of getting his 93 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:43.279 teddy bear, so we finally caved and gave it to 94 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.920 her and went and repurchased another one. Yeah, to be fair, 95 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:47.639 she's loving it. 96 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.079 So oh yeah, well there's stuffing just all over our 97 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.639 house on a daily basis now, Yeah, pretty much. 98 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.800 We do have a big old thank you to thrill 99 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.959 it there to everyone who showed us their Spotify wrap 100 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.240 this year. We had an incredible amount of you showing 101 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.600 that we were in your top ten percent, five percent, 102 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.360 top five and how much you listen, how many minutes? 103 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.680 And it's incredible the support we have from you guys. 104 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.759 Thank you so much for sharing that. Unfortunately, we had 105 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.319 so many people send the wrap up wrapped results to us. 106 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.399 If we couldn't post all you guys in our stories 107 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.399 or even unfortunately respond to all you guys, but we 108 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.759 do see the messages. Thank you so much. It blew 109 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:29.120 our mind the support that we had. 110 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.920 I actually love that time of year. It's so fun 111 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.439 just to see I don't know where we kind of 112 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.920 rank on some people's and like who they also have 113 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.319 on their list and then like how many minutes and stuff. 114 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.759 Yeah. I've seen some social media posts on people talking 115 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:44.639 like I don't want to see your page or your 116 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.240 Spotify wrapped and like stop sharing it, and it's like 117 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:49.680 it's not for you. 118 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.680 I think it's awesome. I don't know. I love seeing it. 119 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.439 First of all. I feel like it's awesome to be like, yeah, 120 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:57.600 like look at my artists like I'm supporting these artists, 121 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.279 whether it's music or podcast or books or whatever, and 122 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.800 then it's the artist seeing that recognition. It's between the 123 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:10.040 artist and the listener. That's who it's for in my opinion. Yeah, 124 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.800 because man, we felt so much love with you guys 125 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.360 as wrapped stuff you sent us, so we want to say. 126 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.959 It's almost like rejuvenating. Really it really is. Yeah, so 127 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.360 thank you that. I just I don't know, I get 128 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.839 excited for Spotify Wrapped every year, so do I. 129 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.040 It's fantastic. Sorry, we're chatting a lot on this episode 130 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:28.879 here at the beginning. We're gonna wrap this up here 131 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.079 and get to the episode, but before we do, we 132 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.720 also have to thank our patrons. We have some Patreon 133 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.839 members who were just awesome in general, and we had 134 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:41.079 someone sign up this week over on Patreon. 135 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:42.120 We sure did so. 136 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.560 And thankfully Dallas sent us how to pronounce. 137 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.240 Their name, because when I saw it, I was like, 138 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:49.079 good luck with this one. 139 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.879 Yeah, so Dallas's last name. I'm gonna try and do 140 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.800 my best, though they kind of broke it down for me. 141 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:59.319 It's Dallas Schwetfiguer. Oh, I think, I think is how 142 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:03.720 I say it. Or this sweet. I think I'm gonna 143 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:04.959 go sweat sweat figure. 144 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:06.959 Okay, wow, thank you Dallas. 145 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.160 Yes, So, Dallas is our lone patron who signed up 146 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.480 this week. Over on Patreon, you can join everyone else 147 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.199 over there. I think we're well over. We got a 148 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.920 couple hundred people over there. Anyways, who get theah, we 149 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.040 get exclusive content, we got some posts, we got the 150 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.160 exclusive episode at the end of the month that gets 151 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.079 posted all the time. So head over there for all 152 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.639 that good awesomeness. But we are officially like five six 153 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:30.600 minutes into this intro. 154 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.720 So without further ado, let's go. 155 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.439 Let's get into this episode, which is going to be 156 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.759 a part one, a part one, Part one of the 157 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.160 story known as White Boy Rick. You ever heard of 158 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:47.360 White Boy Rick before? 159 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:49.920 No, And I'm very intrigued by your intro that you 160 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.000 had too. It doesn't sound like it's very good. 161 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.480 It's an interesting one. It's and I know, interesting is 162 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.120 something that i've I've said for a lot of cases, 163 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.720 but that word can describe many different types of cases 164 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.319 where it's like, oh, this is intriguing, it's a murder, 165 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.160 it's intriguing, this is a mystery, it's intriguing. This one 166 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:13.240 is interesting for the very specific fact on why not 167 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.759 I wonder how like things like that, the mystery behind it, 168 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.800 not like I wonder what was going on in that 169 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.560 person's head. I wonder what could have driven him to that. 170 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:29.399 There is no mystery to this. It's just why the 171 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:33.080 fuck did that play out like that? Oh my goodness, 172 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:38.919 it's like watching the best way to put it. You 173 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.440 know what it's like when you can't turn away from 174 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:45.519 a plumber doing his job. It's just see three inches 175 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.000 of butt crack sticking out there, and you're like, why 176 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.799 doesn't he pull up his pants? Why doesn't he just 177 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.440 buy pants that fit? Why isn't he wearing a belt? 178 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:55.840 I would very much so be able to look away 179 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:57.799 from that, but you would lie, but you'd. 180 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.320 Be like oh, and then you look back again. You're 181 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:01.879 still wondering why am I looking back? It's very much 182 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.799 so like that, because there are so many things that 183 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.919 just like what why would they do that? And that's 184 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:13.840 what makes us a very interesting case today. So White 185 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.840 Boy Rick is obviously a pseudonym. His name is Richard 186 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.519 Wrschey Junior. He was a young boy who was born 187 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.279 on July eighteenth of nineteen sixty nine, and he grew 188 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:31.159 up living a completely relatively normal suburban life as a kid. 189 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.559 He grew up with a sister, Dawn, his mother Darlene, 190 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:39.200 and father Richard Senior. So Richard was junior and then 191 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:44.360 his father was Richard Senior Oka or Rick okay right, 192 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.240 So his father was clearly who he is named after, 193 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:51.159 and more of his family were also around quite often. 194 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.200 His grandparents actually lived right across the street from them. 195 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:55.399 Oh, I love that. 196 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:57.200 Yeah, So I'm sure there's going to be a lot 197 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:59.440 of like family visits on the regular sort of thing 198 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:03.639 going down. I mean, Rick Junior was living a life 199 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.879 full of love and support at the time. Now, there 200 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:11.120 were some shadows in the perfect world though, things from 201 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.559 the outside that we see that are you know, perfect 202 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:17.120 or not generally always what they perceived to be. So 203 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:22.480 on the inside there was much more going on. Rick's 204 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.080 parents would unfortunately be getting a divorce, something that many 205 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.120 people can attest to. That is not the greatest thing 206 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.559 that happens within a family, but it's becoming more and 207 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:33.360 more common nowadays and a lot of people do have 208 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.679 to deal with it, and little five year old Rick 209 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.039 had to deal with his parents putting up. Now, in 210 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.440 the divorce, Rick's mother wanted to take her children with her, 211 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:45.919 but both Rick and his sister wanted to stay at 212 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.279 home with their dad. So she respected her kids wishes 213 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.440 and said, okay, you can stay with your dad, and 214 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:55.279 she left the relationship with her kids living with their father. 215 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:55.840 Okay. 216 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:58.840 So the neighborhood the house was in was on the 217 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:02.240 east side of Detroit, about seven miles or eleven kilometers 218 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:05.240 from the city center. Now, initially the area was a 219 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.159 nice working class area. I mean, they grew up in 220 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.919 a nice suburban neighborhood, a nice, regular, loving family. But 221 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.279 they lived there in the seventies eighties, and it was 222 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.600 kind of the area when it was gaining a wide 223 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.919 I'm sorry, excuse me, gaining widespread reputation for crime in 224 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:24.840 the area of Detroit, you know, crime, violence, and more 225 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:30.639 specifically drugs. Okay, the influx of cocaine was on the rise, 226 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.480 and it would cause a nice suburban neighborhood that they 227 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.879 lived in to quickly fall and deteriorate in a place 228 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:41.080 now surrounded with quote unquote crack houses. 229 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.039 Really, hey, yes. 230 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.720 Apparently there were crack houses now popping up just across 231 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:49.559 the street or down the street from their once lovely neighborhood. 232 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:50.440 Oh geez. 233 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.960 Yeah, the friendly family home was not so friendly. 234 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.159 Yeah, and almost just like picture the neighborhood almost kind 235 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:58.919 of like deteriorating in my mind. 236 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.879 Yeah, kind of like a time lap sort of thing. Yeah, 237 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.320 it's it's unfortunate, but that is kind of the case 238 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:08.480 that was afflicting this Detroit neighborhood and so many other 239 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:12.759 neighborhoods as well, unfortunately. So despite all of that, though, 240 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:15.919 Rick was just like any other kid. He played Little 241 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:19.200 league baseball. He was a pitcher actually, and in the 242 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:22.200 eighth grade he would actually move away from his dad's 243 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.480 and go move in with his mom in the suburbs 244 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.320 of Macomb County there. You know, he got good grades, 245 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:30.679 he was a popular kid, and he did everything to 246 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.639 you know, make a mother proud sort of situation. And 247 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.440 after that year, though, Rick did decide that, you know what, 248 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:38.679 I think I'm going to go move back in with dad. 249 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.960 So that's what he did. And it is unfortunate that 250 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:47.200 Rick's dad, Rick Senior, was into some shady practices. 251 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:51.639 Oh no, okay, because I was like, when how is 252 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:52.960 this going to turn south? Here? 253 00:12:54.200 --> 00:13:00.600 Well, it's not per se Rick Senior's fault by any means, 254 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.879 let's put it that way. But I'll fill you in here. Now, 255 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:06.440 Rick Senior, he was a very bright individual to start with. 256 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.039 He was an entrepreneur, you know, a bit of a hustler. 257 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.759 He reportedly held, according to his daughter, more patents in 258 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.320 the state of Michigan than anyone else had at the time. 259 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:16.960 Oh wow. 260 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.080 Yeah, so I'm not too sure what kind of stuff 261 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.559 he had patented or how many patents, but I mean 262 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:25.159 that's a pretty extravagant claim in itself. Well, yeah, that's 263 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.679 kind of cool even to say, Like, even if she's 264 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.200 over exaggerating, it's like, oh, he held more than anybody. 265 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:33.519 Clearly he held a lot, which I've never held a patent. 266 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.679 I don't think I've ever even met anyone that. 267 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.639 Has, right, So that in itself is pretty cool feet, 268 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:43.159 especially if he's had multiple totally. Now, unfortunately, he did 269 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:48.159 have his darker practices as an illegal gun dealer. Okay, yeah, 270 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.879 so he would deal illegal guns on the black market 271 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:55.519 and help individuals even get illicit permits. One individual who 272 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:59.360 he did deal with actually even went on to say 273 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.120 later that he could get you anything, like he could 274 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:02.120 even get your grenades. 275 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.200 My goodness, Yeah, how I have had. 276 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.600 No clue, But apparently that was the case. He worked 277 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.360 with individuals and gangs alike. He had built up a 278 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.159 reputation as a go to guy in certain circles. I mean, 279 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.519 if you're able to get someone a grenade, I have 280 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.679 a feeling you're probably gonna build up a certain reputation. 281 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:25.559 But Rick Senior, like I said, was smart. He figured 282 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:29.879 out a way to double dip. Oh so he's selling 283 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.360 these guns to these individuals on the street, right, He's 284 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:37.080 selling these firearms to whoever was looking for a firearm, 285 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:40.559 collect the payment, and then once he had the payment 286 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.600 and he had sold the firearm, he would then turn 287 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.759 around and divulge the names of the individuals who he 288 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.240 had sold the guns do directly to the authorities, and 289 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.200 receive a payout for them as well for being an informant. 290 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.879 Really, yes, how the hell is that happening and lasting? 291 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:59.399 Because you think that someone would find that out? 292 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:01.759 You know, yes, so I think you'd have to be 293 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.679 very careful about it, and so would the authorities because 294 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:07.200 the authorities also don't want to lose an informant, right. 295 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:08.960 Well, yeah, and I imagine that the people that you're 296 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.559 dealing with are not necessarily I don't know, how would 297 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.679 you put it, you know, I'm trying to think of it. 298 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:18.720 They're probably shady people who okay. 299 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.480 Yeah, I was like, how do I put this without 300 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.399 you know, insulting everybody? Kind of? 301 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:26.080 I see, I got you, don't worry about it. But no, 302 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.200 like Rick Senior, he was playing both sides and he 303 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.000 did it well. Now, of course the authorities know he's 304 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:34.600 playing both sides, but I mean to get the information 305 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.799 from him. Hey, that's the price that they're paying, right, 306 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:39.480 a little bit of cash and he's doing his thing. Okay, sure, 307 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.080 we're getting the names, we're getting the inside information. That's 308 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:46.360 the important thing to them. As a result with Rick 309 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:51.159 Senior and it's connections, Rick Junior would also eventually become 310 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:55.120 an informant and involved with the authorities. By the age 311 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:58.720 of just fourteen years old, Rick Junior will be recruited 312 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:02.759 by the FBI as an informant, which is it is 313 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:06.080 important to note that the FBI records actually do, in 314 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.320 fact confirm their relationship with him being an informant. This 315 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.080 is a documented thing, not just a claim. 316 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:17.360 At fourteen years old. Correct, That doesn't even seem like 317 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:18.360 that should be legal. 318 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:23.799 Yeah, it's not, oh really per se. Yeah, I don't 319 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:26.320 know about legality issues when you're talking about being an 320 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.000 informant with the FBI and what they can do in 321 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.039 strings they can pull, but it's certainly not a practice 322 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.279 that I think many would say is good practice. 323 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.559 Well yeah, so that seems so young. 324 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.240 You're literally involving a child. 325 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:40.799 Yeah. 326 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:45.159 So anyways, Rick's dad, being the hustler that he is, 327 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.679 he kind of helped push it as means to earn 328 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.120 some extra income as well. Now, don't get me wrong, 329 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:54.600 he didn't take all Rixs Junior's money. I'm certain they 330 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:58.360 were both getting paid for Rick Junior now being involved 331 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.679 is as an informant as well, because Rick Junior certainly 332 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.480 was getting a paycheck from it, and the two would 333 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.039 work like side by side for a while, with Senior 334 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.720 divulging names and Junior becoming to begin to like actually 335 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.480 infiltrate the local gangs, like physically he's on the ground, 336 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:19.359 getting in there, talking with people, making relationships. 337 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.160 And rich who Rick June. 338 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:26.160 Junior at fourteen years old? The hell correct? That was 339 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.559 my reaction too, So he would actually be there in 340 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.480 the gang learning talking, making his way into the inner circles, 341 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.480 and then he would go back talk to both his 342 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:40.720 dad and the FBI and divulge information, names, locations, even 343 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.079 drug activities such as arrivals of shipments or dates in 344 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.680 times of exchanges, you name it. 345 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.920 Wow, I'm really not liking this. That just seems like 346 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.839 they're putting him in such a dangerous situation when he's 347 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:56.960 he's still a kid, Like, how is how is he 348 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.440 going to if shit goes self, get out of a 349 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:01.920 situation attention, Like he may not know how to. 350 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:07.160 Yeah, exactly, that's the exact problem with this. It's you 351 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.079 don't have someone who's maybe a trained authority figure who's 352 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.559 gone through boot camps and like this is their job 353 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.799 and they have got like they're wired up bulletproof vests, 354 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.039 you know, they've got a gun on their hip and stuff. 355 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.000 They literally just have a kid and they're like, go 356 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:21.680 in the gang. 357 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.359 Oh, I don't know. This really isn't sitting well with me. 358 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:27.599 Yeah, me either, trust Mikes. 359 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.319 I'm also a little bit I'm not judging his dad, 360 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:32.920 but I'm like a little bit surprised that he is 361 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:33.799 okay with that. 362 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.200 To allow it to happen. Ye yeah, no, I agree. 363 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:40.519 I agree. Now. Of course to do all this, Rick 364 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:43.759 Junior literally did have to infiltrate his way in. He 365 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:46.039 can't just walk up in a gang and be like, sup, guys. 366 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:47.000 Yeah. 367 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.160 So the gang particularly that they were targeting and they 368 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.720 were wanting Rick Junior to go after and learn about 369 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:57.759 was the Curry Gang. So it was run by the 370 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.240 Curry brothers, okay, and so he needed to gain their 371 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.839 trust and show them that he wanted to get into 372 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.960 selling narcotics and do and all this sort of stuff, right, 373 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.599 And it only actually took Rick a couple months before 374 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:11.640 he was able to get to the top of the 375 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.759 gang and basically be the protege in the business in 376 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.200 the industry, like next to the gang leader sort of thing. 377 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.240 Wow. Yeah, that's a bit surprising, but I guess maybe 378 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:24.519 he's like kind of just smart and kind of an 379 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.160 entrepreneur like his dad potentially. 380 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.680 But like, authorities didn't even think that this would be possible, 381 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.279 especially even this quick. They're like, wait, what, you're sitting 382 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:35.119 here next to like the Curry brothers at the head 383 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:37.559 of this. Now you got all their information. You're their 384 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:42.440 little like protege son, little brother sort of situation. How 385 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:43.640 did you pull that off? 386 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:46.319 But then the Curry brothers they may like that too, 387 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.599 because it's like this young boy that they can mold 388 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.920 to be turned into what they really want. 389 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.960 Yes, so that young age could have played into their 390 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.319 hand totally. Now, it was estimated that over the short 391 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:02.559 course of Rick your informant career, he would collect up 392 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.559 over thirty five thousand dollars in payment for his inside 393 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:11.000 activities and information with the authorities. So the authorities actually 394 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.319 paid him thirty five thousand dollars in total approximately to 395 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:19.240 do this sort of stuff. And mind you, this is like, yeah, 396 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:21.440 back in the day sort of thing couple years ago. 397 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:23.480 At first I'm like, well, that's not really a lot, 398 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.720 but then I guess back then that's worth a lot more. 399 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:27.440 You could probably buy a house for that back then. 400 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:27.880 Yeah. 401 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:31.440