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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>And here we go get another episode of the Gas

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend Fix.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this is a surprise. It says, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>walking into this blindfold.

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<v Speaker 1>I am, I am, I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an intervention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'd like to talk to you. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read a letter to you. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>I really think you're great at what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>But but your personality.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's a lot of you could get through.

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<v Speaker 3>Say no to your personality. That would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Can can we send you to a center today to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of your personality?

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<v Speaker 4>It's all expensive. Page just so you know, it's all

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<v Speaker 4>on me.

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<v Speaker 3>Just have to leave you there.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this is kind of an addition to

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<v Speaker 2>the regular podcast stuff that you hear from the show,

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<v Speaker 2>because during the week we package all of that together

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<v Speaker 2>and put it in a podcast. If you miss parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, you can go back and listen. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a segment that has well today. It actually has

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<v Speaker 2>something to do with we talked about a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>earlier in the week, but it's also about stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't get a chance to expand on probably, So

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<v Speaker 2>if you do listen to the podcast, make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>you subscribe to it wherever you're listening to it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll get this gas weekend fix automatically delivered downloaded to

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<v Speaker 2>your device whatever it is, every weekend. So earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>this week, we talked about what Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg

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<v Speaker 2>had talked about when it came to friends. And when

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<v Speaker 2>we say friends, we use it a couple of different instances, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you use it in just a normal

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<v Speaker 2>sense that normal humans, it's people that you like, people

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<v Speaker 2>that you hang out with, people that you do life with,

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever term you want to use.

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<v Speaker 4>That's real world.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have friends in this digital world. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them may be the same people, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>much lower are to be a friend with someone in

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<v Speaker 2>a digital realm. You think Facebook or Twitter or whoever,

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<v Speaker 2>people you follow, people you friend, All you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do is have met that person once.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you have an odd feeling When Facebook first started

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a thing for us, I think we were probably

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<v Speaker 1>later adopters. So I want to say two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eight ish. Sure, didn't you get a feeling in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of your brain like.

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<v Speaker 3>There's something wrong with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just like I love reconnecting with friends that

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<v Speaker 1>I lost connection with after college and after college, and

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that was my age frame of like, oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>oh so and so you know, we were such good

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<v Speaker 1>friends in high school and we kind of kept in

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<v Speaker 1>contact in college and then fell out of contact and

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<v Speaker 1>then we're building our lives and our jobs and families

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<v Speaker 1>or what have you. And it was so cool, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was part of there was something in my brain

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<v Speaker 1>that was like, this seems like a bad idea, Like

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<v Speaker 1>these surface level interactions. I don't want to say it's

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<v Speaker 1>phony intimacy because they are people that you knew, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was just an odd thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that was just the tip of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>I would use a term when it comes to computer

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<v Speaker 2>animation of human beings. There's a term that has been

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<v Speaker 2>used called its uncanny Valley where if you remember the

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<v Speaker 2>old was it Polar Express? That movie Polar Express was

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<v Speaker 2>computer animate humans, and the eyes on those characters were

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<v Speaker 2>creepy and it was just it didn't sit right with people.

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<v Speaker 2>It just was it did not work, and you couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't really describe why. But you knew those weren't people.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew those weren't real actors in there. You knew

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<v Speaker 2>that was a computer thing. But what about it made

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<v Speaker 2>it creepy? What about it made something not feel right?

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<v Speaker 2>That was what they referred to as this uncanny valley.

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<v Speaker 2>You like, a computer will never be able to replicate

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<v Speaker 2>a human being very well. And I think that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, is that there's a because it goes through

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<v Speaker 2>a digital filter before it comes to you, even if

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<v Speaker 2>it's just somebody typing an update on their kid, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>barfing for the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Tha seem like friendship, but it's not the real thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend that I will I'm using friend loosely. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I went to high school with that I saw at

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<v Speaker 1>a football game or something and I said, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>good to see you. You know you're not on are

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<v Speaker 1>you on the Facebook? I haven't seen it on a Facebook?

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<v Speaker 3>And he said.

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<v Speaker 1>I opened up Facebook and I lost my freaking mind

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<v Speaker 1>and I turned it off and I never went back. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time, I was like, you fool, it's great,

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<v Speaker 1>And now I'm like, what a smart individual. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not, but but still, you know, like yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>his instant response was, this is way too much.

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<v Speaker 3>This, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is too much of everybody that I've known my

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<v Speaker 1>whole life, and they're all together and suddenly boom, here's

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<v Speaker 1>all their information and what they're doing, and I'm losing

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<v Speaker 4>It's too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's a certain amount of filter that

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<v Speaker 2>goes through just the normal course of life. You're at

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<v Speaker 2>work eight hours a day, you travel without your friends.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice to come back every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, reconnoiter and figure out what's been going

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<v Speaker 2>on in each other's life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's for us who we were in our I was

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook came out. The people that have lived with this

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<v Speaker 1>is where anxiety comes from. I'm convinced because we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have anxiety, because we weren't overwhelmed all the time growing up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we just had the normal basic like anxieties of going

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<v Speaker 1>to school, if you're not getting along with somebody or

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<v Speaker 3>The people that grew.

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<v Speaker 1>Up with this being bombarded by all of this information

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. That's that can be anxiety. That can

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<v Speaker 1>that can give you anxiety. I firmly believe the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why everyone who's twenty two or what have you feels

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<v Speaker 1>that is because their whole life, they've had access to

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<v Speaker 1>that amount of information and that's too much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird the way that you say that, because we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this time of the world, this time of

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<v Speaker 2>human evolution, is the information age. Right, we have everything

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<v Speaker 2>available to us at all times in the smaller devices

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<v Speaker 2>that we've you know, a phone right now connects you

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<v Speaker 2>to literally anybody in the world with a phone and

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<v Speaker 2>literally every you know, repository of information that there is,

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<v Speaker 2>from the Library of Congress to the library in Mariposa, California.

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<v Speaker 2>You're connected to everything at all times if you want

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<v Speaker 3>I love being connected to Mariposa.

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<v Speaker 2>But that that information age is also the time when

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing more people with so much anxiety because.

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<v Speaker 3>It's too much, so as much stimulation.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the search for information that alleviates your anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>or is it just the fact that you're not bombarded

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<v Speaker 2>with it all.

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<v Speaker 3>The time, that you're not bombarded with it.

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<v Speaker 4>The other thing that you mentioned, and I think this

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<v Speaker 4>is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you smoking? I smell cigarettes. Do you smoke on

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<v Speaker 1>the weekends?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine if you do.

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<v Speaker 4>I do, but it's only it's only Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, on the porch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's on the side, way over on the side.

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<v Speaker 2>So if my wife gets a couple of coffee, she

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<v Speaker 2>can't see me, I know. And then she comes outside

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<v Speaker 2>and I have to quickly stub it out.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's you wear your old like your old stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I point over the fence. I'm like, there

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<v Speaker 2>he is. Harry is smoking a cigar again? Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>blame it on that guy or Harry you're eight years

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<v Speaker 2>younger than I am. But I think it's important because

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<v Speaker 2>of where you were, Like you said at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of Facebook two thousand and what did you say, eight

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven eight something like that, because back

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<v Speaker 2>then it was all friend information period, that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>There weren't these giant club pages or you know, fan

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<v Speaker 2>pages for sports teams or anything. It was just your

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<v Speaker 2>group of friends and you would see what they would

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<v Speaker 2>post and you would see their information. It's now changed

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where it's all advertising.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even I haven't looked at Facebook in a

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<v Speaker 1>The only time I look at Facebook is to look

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<v Speaker 1>at our show page or like comments from or messages

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<v Speaker 1>from people, which are all lovely. By the way, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for those not true not true, but

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<v Speaker 1>I really and I rarely look at those. So and

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram too, I'm kind of the ship is saled for

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<v Speaker 3>I'm over that.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that I used to post things all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>every day, several times a day is odd to me.

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<v Speaker 3>The same way it's odd to me when.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at back at my Facebook posts from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and I'm like, who the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, you're an idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel the same way about Instagram right now, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I look back at like four years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what are you doing? You're an idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to delete everything, but then I'm like it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be the person that deletes everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what's the next thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I'm done with the oversharing I

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<v Speaker 1>think is what I think. I over I got to

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<v Speaker 1>the pinnacle of oversharing and now I'm just like E

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the digital realm of it. Mark Zuckerberg was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about getting rid of friends or sorry. People want

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<v Speaker 2>more friends in life generally, whether you're the average person

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<v Speaker 2>says they could handle one or two more good friends

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<v Speaker 2>in life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm full up.

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<v Speaker 1>I love my friends, but I don't I I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need I guess, like because for it's a female to

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<v Speaker 1>a female thing too. It's like when you have friends,

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<v Speaker 1>you are it's a full time job, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like you got to be there for your friends.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just like grabbing something once in a.

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<v Speaker 2>While, a beer every Tuesday, you know, it's like every

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<v Speaker 2>third Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Time in my life, is suddenly everyone's got problems.

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<v Speaker 3>I already feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing a good enough job with the friends

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<v Speaker 1>that I have. I guess I should.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, well, maybe you need an AI therapist. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what Mark Zuckerberg was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>have AI listen into her therapy sessions. AI will take notes,

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<v Speaker 2>and the idea I do too.

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<v Speaker 1>Furthermore, the idea that AI is listening to your therapy

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<v Speaker 2>If it's transcribing what's being said.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, If it's transcribing, you have to you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>disclose that ASA Dolex is not listening to you when

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<v Speaker 2>But the question I think that that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>pose it just in general when it comes to friends,

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<v Speaker 2>forty fifty for some people tolder than that, and if

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<v Speaker 2>do most do people feel like they are full up

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<v Speaker 2>on friends or they want more? You say, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>And then just because I want to do a better

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<v Speaker 3>I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think okay, you know how, like the kids were

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<v Speaker 1>because we didn't interact with each other. People were bad

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<v Speaker 1>and we didn't interact with each other or new people

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<v Speaker 1>or strangers or go to the store, like just talking

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<v Speaker 1>to people. I noticed that the more things that I

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<v Speaker 1>or not go to the convenient route, the more interactions

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<v Speaker 1>I have, whether it's going to a dance class or

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<v Speaker 1>have you, like that makes me a happier person at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, the more people that I

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<v Speaker 1>interact with. And I think that it doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be like your deepest friendships, that you water that garden

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<v Speaker 1>every day, although I'm sure it's lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to Jay Shetty a lot every day

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<v Speaker 2>watering that guard.

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<v Speaker 3>But you apparently good for you. I love your growth.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I think just interacting with another human.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the more you can do that every day,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you have to kind of push yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, even if it's not reaching

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<v Speaker 1>of those deep conversations where you're laughing and you're sharing

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<v Speaker 1>Just having a connection with another human I think makes

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<v Speaker 2>There is my sister, My oldest sister lost her husband

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago to cancer, and she both

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<v Speaker 2>kids are out of the house. You know, they have

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<v Speaker 2>And she's been in the same job for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty plus years. And she found something that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know existed, which is a dating app for friends, a

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<v Speaker 2>platonic platonic dating app.

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<v Speaker 3>If I've done a story on these, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And she found somebody that works in the same

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<v Speaker 2>industry that she does that lives nearby where she. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you could, you know, you could filter your results by

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who actually lives close and they spend all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>is just and they're just it's just a great it's

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<v Speaker 2>a friend thing. And as ironic as it is, because

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<v Speaker 2>we started the conversation with how awful and awkward some

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<v Speaker 2>of those digital friendships?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you had sex yet?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, No, he's not into that.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean he's not he's not into ladies? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect, So she got herself a gay that's perfect, which

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<v Speaker 2>is perfect like every Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so very happy and she they.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great relationship and they're fun and they post

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because if he wasn't gay, you would be

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here going, well, gonna have sex, right right? I

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<v Speaker 4>I'd be a little bit more protective than I am.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but you don't need to be. That's sweet. She

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<v Speaker 3>is a grown woman.

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<v Speaker 2>She's my sister, though, Yeah, like it shouldn't I have

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<v Speaker 2>some amount.

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<v Speaker 3>Of My brother has never had one shade.

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<v Speaker 4>Of that's not true. I think it is, So she

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<v Speaker 4>just kept it from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Lies.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. Okay, it's a brotherly thing. You can't stop it,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think, so I'll get them on the horn.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll ask them, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's very wonderful. I wonder how successful those are.

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<v Speaker 1>We should do, We should do some research into that.

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<v Speaker 2>I did find an article about it last night, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was an article about a woman. She

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<v Speaker 2>had again the major life change outside of losing a

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<v Speaker 2>of all things. And she actually was separated from her

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<v Speaker 2>sent her teenage kids or kept her teenage kids in

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<v Speaker 4>And she.

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<v Speaker 2>Used a dating app, Platonic dating app to find friends

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<v Speaker 2>and made she said, the closest friends that she's ever

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<v Speaker 2>had in life. But I also think part of that,

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<v Speaker 2>at least her aspect of it. No, she described it

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<v Speaker 2>as being she was desperate. Now I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of a friendship. A friendship built on desperation

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<v Speaker 2>is one that lasts necessarily unless there's some sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a new school.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I went to a couple of new schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like I need a friend. I am desperate,

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<v Speaker 1>or even moving markets.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, I was gonna say, that's the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>life change that I've had in the last outside of kids, obviously, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a kind of desperation.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving from Seattle to la you are nobody. You already married,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but but not knowing anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at the butterfly you've become.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of alone time with with my spouse

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<v Speaker 2>at that, and then we don't have any friends. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to figure out. So you got to try to

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<v Speaker 2>meet neighbors and filter out which ones are the weird

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<v Speaker 2>them not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, all right, let's go enjoy our weekend. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>not that this hasn't been enjoyable, because it has. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you put out that cigarette.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad I could spend a Saturday morning, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>meets you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gotta go finish my cigarette.

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<v Speaker 3>Runs are great.

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<v Speaker 4>Got to relight that thing? Is that what people do?

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<v Speaker 3>If you what.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mean I didn't finish You didn't finish it through.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to start recording, and then Jesus can smoke

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<v Speaker 2>while we're doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you can. You're a bad smoker. You're a bad,

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<v Speaker 3>bad smoker. You're the worst smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take that, all right. The Gas Weekend fixed your cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 3>We do traffic that a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't looked. It's probably better really, alright, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck up.

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