Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2: And here we go get another episode of the Gas
Speaker 2: Weekend Fix.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: I know this is a surprise. It says, if you're
Speaker 2: walking into this blindfold.
Speaker 1: I am, I am, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: This is an intervention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd like to talk to you. First of all,
Speaker 2: I want to read a letter to you. Oh no,
Speaker 2: I really think you're great at what you do.
Speaker 1: But but your personality.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of you could get through.
Speaker 3: Say no to your personality. That would be great.
Speaker 1: Can can we send you to a center today to
Speaker 1: get rid of your personality?
Speaker 4: It's all expensive. Page just so you know, it's all
Speaker 4: on me.
Speaker 3: Just have to leave you there.
Speaker 2: So this is this is kind of an addition to
Speaker 2: the regular podcast stuff that you hear from the show,
Speaker 2: because during the week we package all of that together
Speaker 2: and put it in a podcast. If you miss parts
Speaker 2: of the show, you can go back and listen. This
Speaker 2: is a segment that has well today. It actually has
Speaker 2: something to do with we talked about a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier in the week, but it's also about stuff that
Speaker 2: we didn't get a chance to expand on probably, So
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Speaker 2: your device whatever it is, every weekend. So earlier in
Speaker 2: this week, we talked about what Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 2: had talked about when it came to friends. And when
Speaker 2: we say friends, we use it a couple of different instances, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you use it in just a normal
Speaker 2: sense that normal humans, it's people that you like, people
Speaker 2: that you hang out with, people that you do life with,
Speaker 2: or whatever term you want to use.
Speaker 4: That's real world.
Speaker 2: And then you have friends in this digital world. Some
Speaker 2: of them may be the same people, but it's a
Speaker 2: much lower are to be a friend with someone in
Speaker 2: a digital realm. You think Facebook or Twitter or whoever,
Speaker 2: people you follow, people you friend, All you have to
Speaker 2: do is have met that person once.
Speaker 1: Didn't you have an odd feeling When Facebook first started
Speaker 1: becoming a thing for us, I think we were probably
Speaker 1: later adopters. So I want to say two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight ish. Sure, didn't you get a feeling in the
Speaker 1: back of your brain like.
Speaker 3: There's something wrong with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like I love reconnecting with friends that
Speaker 1: I lost connection with after college and after college, and
Speaker 1: for me, that was my age frame of like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: oh so and so you know, we were such good
Speaker 1: friends in high school and we kind of kept in
Speaker 1: contact in college and then fell out of contact and
Speaker 1: then we're building our lives and our jobs and families
Speaker 1: or what have you. And it was so cool, but
Speaker 1: there was part of there was something in my brain
Speaker 1: that was like, this seems like a bad idea, Like
Speaker 1: these surface level interactions. I don't want to say it's
Speaker 1: phony intimacy because they are people that you knew, but
Speaker 1: it was just an odd thing.
Speaker 3: Well, that was just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 2: I would use a term when it comes to computer
Speaker 2: animation of human beings. There's a term that has been
Speaker 2: used called its uncanny Valley where if you remember the
Speaker 2: old was it Polar Express? That movie Polar Express was
Speaker 2: really one of the big first movies that tried to
Speaker 2: computer animate humans, and the eyes on those characters were
Speaker 2: creepy and it was just it didn't sit right with people.
Speaker 2: It just was it did not work, and you couldn't
Speaker 2: You couldn't really describe why. But you knew those weren't people.
Speaker 2: You knew those weren't real actors in there. You knew
Speaker 2: that was a computer thing. But what about it made
Speaker 2: it creepy? What about it made something not feel right?
Speaker 2: That was what they referred to as this uncanny valley.
Speaker 2: You like, a computer will never be able to replicate
Speaker 2: a human being very well. And I think that's part
Speaker 2: of it, is that there's a because it goes through
Speaker 2: a digital filter before it comes to you, even if
Speaker 2: it's just somebody typing an update on their kid, you know,
Speaker 2: barfing for the first.
Speaker 3: Tha seem like friendship, but it's not the real thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had.
Speaker 1: A friend that I will I'm using friend loosely. Somebody
Speaker 1: I went to high school with that I saw at
Speaker 1: a football game or something and I said, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: good to see you. You know you're not on are
Speaker 1: you on the Facebook? I haven't seen it on a Facebook?
Speaker 3: And he said.
Speaker 1: I opened up Facebook and I lost my freaking mind
Speaker 1: and I turned it off and I never went back. Well,
Speaker 1: and at the time, I was like, you fool, it's great,
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, what a smart individual. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe not, but but still, you know, like yeah, Like
Speaker 1: his instant response was, this is way too much.
Speaker 3: This, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: This is too much of everybody that I've known my
Speaker 1: whole life, and they're all together and suddenly boom, here's
Speaker 1: all their information and what they're doing, and I'm losing
Speaker 1: my mind and I can't even process.
Speaker 4: It's too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a certain amount of filter that
Speaker 2: goes through just the normal course of life. You're at
Speaker 2: work eight hours a day, you travel without your friends.
Speaker 2: It's nice to come back every once in a while,
Speaker 2: and you know, reconnoiter and figure out what's been going
Speaker 2: on in each other's life.
Speaker 1: That's for us who we were in our I was
Speaker 1: in my twenties. I was in my mid twenties when
Speaker 1: Facebook came out. The people that have lived with this
Speaker 1: is where anxiety comes from. I'm convinced because we didn't
Speaker 1: have anxiety, because we weren't overwhelmed all the time growing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just had the normal basic like anxieties of going
Speaker 1: to school, if you're not getting along with somebody or
Speaker 1: you're worried or you have a test or whatever.
Speaker 3: The people that grew.
Speaker 1: Up with this being bombarded by all of this information
Speaker 1: all the time. That's that can be anxiety. That can
Speaker 1: that can give you anxiety. I firmly believe the reason
Speaker 1: why everyone who's twenty two or what have you feels
Speaker 1: that is because their whole life, they've had access to
Speaker 1: that amount of information and that's too much.
Speaker 2: It's weird the way that you say that, because we've
Speaker 2: talked about this time of the world, this time of
Speaker 2: human evolution, is the information age. Right, we have everything
Speaker 2: available to us at all times in the smaller devices
Speaker 2: that we've you know, a phone right now connects you
Speaker 2: to literally anybody in the world with a phone and
Speaker 2: literally every you know, repository of information that there is,
Speaker 2: from the Library of Congress to the library in Mariposa, California.
Speaker 2: You're connected to everything at all times if you want
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: I love being connected to Mariposa.
Speaker 2: But that that information age is also the time when
Speaker 2: we're seeing more people with so much anxiety because.
Speaker 3: It's too much, so as much stimulation.
Speaker 2: Is it the search for information that alleviates your anxiety
Speaker 2: or is it just the fact that you're not bombarded
Speaker 2: with it all.
Speaker 3: The time, that you're not bombarded with it.
Speaker 4: The other thing that you mentioned, and I think this
Speaker 4: is interesting.
Speaker 1: Are you smoking? I smell cigarettes. Do you smoke on
Speaker 1: the weekends?
Speaker 4: Are you.
Speaker 3: It's fine if you do.
Speaker 4: I do, but it's only it's only Saturday morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the porch.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's on the side, way over on the side.
Speaker 2: So if my wife gets a couple of coffee, she
Speaker 2: can't see me, I know. And then she comes outside
Speaker 2: and I have to quickly stub it out.
Speaker 3: And she's you wear your old like your old stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I point over the fence. I'm like, there
Speaker 2: he is. Harry is smoking a cigar again? Yeah, And
Speaker 2: blame it on that guy or Harry you're eight years
Speaker 2: younger than I am. But I think it's important because
Speaker 2: of where you were, Like you said at the beginning
Speaker 2: of Facebook two thousand and what did you say, eight
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven eight something like that, because back
Speaker 2: then it was all friend information period, that was it.
Speaker 2: There weren't these giant club pages or you know, fan
Speaker 2: pages for sports teams or anything. It was just your
Speaker 2: group of friends and you would see what they would
Speaker 2: post and you would see their information. It's now changed
Speaker 2: to the point where it's all advertising.
Speaker 3: I don't even I haven't looked at Facebook in a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 1: The only time I look at Facebook is to look
Speaker 1: at our show page or like comments from or messages
Speaker 1: from people, which are all lovely. By the way, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for those not true not true, but
Speaker 1: I really and I rarely look at those. So and
Speaker 1: Instagram too, I'm kind of the ship is saled for
Speaker 1: me on Instagram.
Speaker 3: I'm over that.
Speaker 1: The idea that I used to post things all the time,
Speaker 1: every day, several times a day is odd to me.
Speaker 3: The same way it's odd to me when.
Speaker 1: I look at back at my Facebook posts from you know,
Speaker 1: twenty and I'm like, who the hell is that?
Speaker 3: Like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about Instagram right now, Like
Speaker 1: I look back at like four years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you doing? You're an idiot.
Speaker 1: So I want to delete everything, but then I'm like it,
Speaker 1: don't be the person that deletes everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the next thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm done with the oversharing I
Speaker 1: think is what I think. I over I got to
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of oversharing and now I'm just like E
Speaker 1: shut it all down.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: So that's the digital realm of it. Mark Zuckerberg was
Speaker 2: talking about getting rid of friends or sorry. People want
Speaker 2: more friends in life generally, whether you're the average person
Speaker 2: says they could handle one or two more good friends
Speaker 2: in life.
Speaker 3: I'm full up.
Speaker 1: I love my friends, but I don't I I don't
Speaker 1: need I guess, like because for it's a female to
Speaker 1: a female thing too. It's like when you have friends,
Speaker 1: you are it's a full time job, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you got to be there for your friends.
Speaker 3: It's not just like grabbing something once in a.
Speaker 2: While, a beer every Tuesday, you know, it's like every
Speaker 2: third Friday.
Speaker 3: Especially at this.
Speaker 1: Time in my life, is suddenly everyone's got problems.
Speaker 3: Everyone's losing their breaking minds.
Speaker 1: No, they don't come to me per se, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just.
Speaker 3: I already feel like.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing a good enough job with the friends
Speaker 1: that I have. I guess I should.
Speaker 2: Say, well, maybe you need an AI therapist. Okay, So
Speaker 2: that's what Mark Zuckerberg was talking about.
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with someone this morning who has
Speaker 1: a client who is a therapist, and her client said
Speaker 1: that she works for a greater organization, a hospital like organization,
Speaker 1: not hospital like a hospital, and she's been directed to
Speaker 1: have AI listen into her therapy sessions. AI will take notes,
Speaker 1: and then she goes through the notes AI took and
Speaker 1: correct them to train the AI on how to do
Speaker 1: her job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like an awful nightmare. It's a dystopian future,
Speaker 2: and the idea I do too.
Speaker 1: Furthermore, the idea that AI is listening to your therapy
Speaker 1: session and that's not being shared is blowing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I can understand if it's just uh dictating or transcribing.
Speaker 2: If it's transcribing what's being said.
Speaker 1: Right, If it's transcribing, you have to you'd have to
Speaker 1: disclose that ASA Dolex is not listening to you when
Speaker 1: you're asking for the weather and all the other stuff
Speaker 1: you're saying when you're not talking to her, you're an idiot.
Speaker 2: But the question I think that that I wanted to
Speaker 2: pose it just in general when it comes to friends,
Speaker 2: is Okay, you reach a certain age whatever it is
Speaker 2: forty fifty for some people tolder than that, and if
Speaker 2: outside of a major life change, right outside of a
Speaker 2: job shift, moving across the country something like that. Uh
Speaker 2: do most do people feel like they are full up
Speaker 2: on friends or they want more? You say, you're you're
Speaker 2: full up right now?
Speaker 1: And then just because I want to do a better
Speaker 1: job with the friends that I have, I guess I
Speaker 1: should say.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 1: I think okay, you know how, like the kids were
Speaker 1: still dealing with like the learning laps after COVID. Sure,
Speaker 1: I think people are still dealing with the interaction laps
Speaker 1: because we didn't interact with each other. People were bad
Speaker 1: and we didn't interact with each other or new people
Speaker 1: or strangers or go to the store, like just talking
Speaker 1: to people. I noticed that the more things that I
Speaker 1: choose to do actually get out there and not order
Speaker 1: or not go to the convenient route, the more interactions
Speaker 1: I have, whether it's going to a dance class or
Speaker 1: going to FedEx or going and get coffee or what
Speaker 1: have you, like that makes me a happier person at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the more people that I
Speaker 1: interact with. And I think that it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be like your deepest friendships, that you water that garden
Speaker 1: every day, although I'm sure it's lovely.
Speaker 2: You've been listening to Jay Shetty a lot every day
Speaker 2: watering that guard.
Speaker 3: But you apparently good for you. I love your growth.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think just interacting with another human.
Speaker 1: I think the more you can do that every day,
Speaker 1: even if you have to kind of push yourself to
Speaker 1: do that, does make you feel good and connected at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, even if it's not reaching
Speaker 1: out to one of your best friends and having one
Speaker 1: of those deep conversations where you're laughing and you're sharing
Speaker 1: and all the things, because who can do that every day?
Speaker 1: Just having a connection with another human I think makes
Speaker 1: you happier.
Speaker 2: There is my sister, My oldest sister lost her husband
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago to cancer, and she both
Speaker 2: kids are out of the house. You know, they have
Speaker 2: grown kids, and she's about to welcome her first grandkid.
Speaker 2: And she's been in the same job for twenty years,
Speaker 2: twenty plus years. And she found something that I didn't
Speaker 2: know existed, which is a dating app for friends, a
Speaker 2: platonic platonic dating app.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even know.
Speaker 3: If I've done a story on these, and we've talked
Speaker 3: about them before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she found somebody that works in the same
Speaker 2: industry that she does that lives nearby where she. I mean,
Speaker 2: you could, you know, you could filter your results by
Speaker 2: somebody who actually lives close and they spend all kinds
Speaker 2: of time together and they have vacation together, and it
Speaker 2: is just and they're just it's just a great it's
Speaker 2: a friend thing. And as ironic as it is, because
Speaker 2: we started the conversation with how awful and awkward some
Speaker 2: of those digital friendships?
Speaker 3: Have you had sex yet?
Speaker 4: Oh no, No, he's not into that.
Speaker 3: What do you mean he's not he's not into ladies? Oh?
Speaker 2: Perfect, So she got herself a gay that's perfect, which
Speaker 2: is perfect like every Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: That's wonderful.
Speaker 4: I'm so very happy and she they.
Speaker 2: Have a great relationship and they're fun and they post
Speaker 2: pictures all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, because if he wasn't gay, you would be
Speaker 1: sitting here going, well, gonna have sex, right right? I
Speaker 1: would the old Meg Ryan Billy Crystal question.
Speaker 4: I'd be a little bit more protective than I am.
Speaker 3: Yes, but you don't need to be. That's sweet. She
Speaker 3: is a grown woman.
Speaker 2: She's my sister, though, Yeah, like it shouldn't I have
Speaker 2: some amount.
Speaker 3: Of My brother has never had one shade.
Speaker 4: Of that's not true. I think it is, So she
Speaker 4: just kept it from you.
Speaker 3: Lies.
Speaker 2: It's true. Okay, it's a brotherly thing. You can't stop it,
Speaker 2: you don't think, so I'll get them on the horn.
Speaker 2: I'll ask them, I think.
Speaker 1: But that's very wonderful. I wonder how successful those are.
Speaker 1: We should do, We should do some research into that.
Speaker 2: I did find an article about it last night, and
Speaker 2: it was it was an article about a woman. She
Speaker 2: had again the major life change outside of losing a
Speaker 2: spouse or something. She had to change jobs during COVID,
Speaker 2: of all things. And she actually was separated from her
Speaker 2: teenage kids late teens or something like that because she
Speaker 2: couldn't she had no money. So she went to go
Speaker 2: live with a family like a cousin somewhere else and
Speaker 2: sent her teenage kids or kept her teenage kids in
Speaker 2: their town so they could finish high school.
Speaker 4: And she.
Speaker 2: Used a dating app, Platonic dating app to find friends
Speaker 2: and made she said, the closest friends that she's ever
Speaker 2: had in life. But I also think part of that,
Speaker 2: at least her aspect of it. No, she described it
Speaker 2: as being she was desperate. Now I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: that kind of a friendship. A friendship built on desperation
Speaker 2: is one that lasts necessarily unless there's some sort.
Speaker 3: Of a new school.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I went to a couple of new schools,
Speaker 1: and it's like I need a friend. I am desperate,
Speaker 1: or even moving markets.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I was gonna say, that's the biggest
Speaker 2: life change that I've had in the last outside of kids, obviously, but.
Speaker 3: That's a kind of desperation.
Speaker 2: Moving from Seattle to la you are nobody. You already married,
Speaker 2: I know, but but not knowing anybody.
Speaker 4: And then we have to.
Speaker 3: Look at the butterfly you've become.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of alone time with with my spouse
Speaker 2: at that, and then we don't have any friends. We
Speaker 2: got to figure out. So you got to try to
Speaker 2: meet neighbors and filter out which ones are the weird
Speaker 2: ones that you don't want your hen want to as
Speaker 2: them not at all.
Speaker 1: Now, all right, let's go enjoy our weekend. I mean,
Speaker 1: not that this hasn't been enjoyable, because it has. Once
Speaker 1: you put out that cigarette.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I could spend a Saturday morning, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: meets you.
Speaker 4: I'm gotta go finish my cigarette.
Speaker 3: Runs are great.
Speaker 4: Got to relight that thing? Is that what people do?
Speaker 3: If you what.
Speaker 1: Do you mean I didn't finish You didn't finish it through.
Speaker 2: We need to start recording, and then Jesus can smoke
Speaker 2: while we're doing that.
Speaker 3: Yes, you can. You're a bad smoker. You're a bad,
Speaker 3: bad smoker. You're the worst smoke.
Speaker 2: I'll take that, all right. The Gas Weekend fixed your cigarettes.
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