WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:06.919 Oho winmo Kelly KFI AM six forty y is later 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:10.199 with Moe Kelly were Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app 3 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:13.560 In nineteen seventy eight, doctor Ronald McNair was selected as 4 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.280 one of thirty five applicants from a pool of ten 5 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:20.239 thousand for the NASA Astronaut Program. McNair flew as a 6 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:24.280 mission specialist on STS forty one B, a board Space 7 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:28.519 Shuttle Challenger, back on February third through February eleventh, nineteen 8 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.920 eighty four, becoming the second African American to fly in space. 9 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:35.359 But on January twenty eighth, nineteen eighty six, thirty nine 10 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:39.759 years ago. Today, McNair Paris is part of the Challenger crew. 11 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:46.240 Nine ers ken nine eight seven six. We have main 12 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:54.039 engines start four three two one and liftoff liftoff of 13 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.000 the twenty fifth Face Shuttle. 14 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:57.240 Mission and it as clear as the. 15 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:03.280 Tower Roger Challenger. 16 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:20.000 ConTroll program confirmed. Challenger now heading down range engines beginning 17 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:24.599 throttling down now at ninety four percent normal throttles for 18 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:28.760 most of the plant one hundred and four percent. We 19 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:34.799 will throttle down to sixty five percent shortly one minute 20 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.719 fifteen seconds. Flocidy twenty nine hundred feet per second altitude 21 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:40.280 nine nautical mouths down range, just at seven naugle miles. 22 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:49.840 It looks like a couple of the solid rocket boosters 23 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:55.319 blew away from the side of the shuttle in an explosion. 24 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:00.760 Controllers here looking very carefully at the situation. Obviously a 25 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:01.640 major malfunction. 26 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:11.000 Have no downey right now. His older brother, Carl McNair, 27 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:16.039 founder of McNair Achievement Programs, author and STEM education consultant, 28 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:19.000 joins me now on the show as we pay remembrance 29 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:22.120 to him and the rest of the Challenger crew. Carl, 30 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.080 my friend. Great to talk to you again. How have 31 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:24.560 you been. 32 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.520 Oh, I'm doing very well. Brother Mo. Did I call 33 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:28.120 you brother Moe? 34 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.919 Yes, you can't because we are brothers, that's right. Aside 35 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:37.000 from your brother, your younger brother's exploits, his academic exploits, 36 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:41.240 which included a PhD in physics from MIT. Ronald McNair 37 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.360 was a saxophonist, a jazz enthusiast. He was a man 38 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.199 of Omega Sci Fi fraternity like you and me. He 39 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:49.759 was a fifth degree black belt in karate. When I 40 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.960 was a young teenager, I wanted to be Ronald McNair. 41 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.360 But who was your brother beyond what most often is 42 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:57.319 publicly shared. 43 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:01.400 Well, Ron was like any of So many people think 44 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.159 he was like a bookworm, but Ron was. As we 45 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:06.840 were growing up, he was on the football team and 46 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.479 the baseball team, ran track and just like any other kid. 47 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:16.159 But he had a satiable theft for knowledge. That was 48 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:17.919 Ron in the nutshell. 49 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.039 When he was doing his thing being a baseball diamond 50 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:24.240 or track field or any of his other exploits, did 51 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.639 you see something in him which said he's not going 52 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.360 to choose any of that. He's going to be a scientist. 53 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:33.680 He is going to do something in the stem field. 54 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.599 Yes, not to mention that he was very good at 55 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.560 science and math, and as he was very good at 56 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.840 the sports and what have you. But I think this 57 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.719 was this particular time when he had a laccident at 58 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:52.000 home where he cast his kneecap, and instead of going 59 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:56.400 through the pain and agony of having gassed your your 60 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:59.719 your kneecap, he started showing me the ligaments and the 61 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.599 us I knew something was strange about me. 62 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.439 What was home like for you and your family? Were 63 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.400 your parents really tough on you as far as school? 64 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.519 Did they encourage you to pursue certain careers. What was 65 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.639 life like growing up in the McNair household. 66 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.959 Well, my mother only went to the eleventh grade. Rather more, 67 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:28.720 my father only went to the eighth grade, and my 68 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.160 mother only went to eleventh grade because they would allow 69 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:33.879 black people to go past the eleventh grade in this 70 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.920 segregated town in South Carolina. But she did find a 71 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:42.319 way to go on to school. And we saw her 72 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.199 the nasty throughout our lives and all for education, and 73 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.279 I think that inspired us. My dad he would say, hey, look, 74 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.279 whatever you want to do, just be a just do it. 75 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:54.480 Well, if you're going to be a bomb, be a 76 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.800 good bomb. That was his advice. 77 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.839 Do you remember when or was there a singular moment 78 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:05.160 when doctor Minair maybe came to you and said, Carl, 79 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.079 I have this dream of becoming an astronaut or I'm 80 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.199 going to apply for the NASA astronaut program. Do you 81 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.319 remember that moment. Was there a moment like that? 82 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:18.040 Well, there was a like that, and I'll tell you 83 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:19.279 about that moment, but I'll. 84 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:20.759 Tell you how he got to that point. 85 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:22.199 Ron. 86 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:27.000 I remember, Ron had finished his education at A and 87 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:29.120 T where he and I started at the same time. 88 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.000 That's North Carolina, A and T in Greensboro, North Carolina. 89 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.360 And it was through A and T where he got 90 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:41.399 the opportunities to spend a summer at MIT and thereby 91 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.120 having a look at Mit, Mit had to look at him, 92 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.160 and he knew the professors, and that made it I 93 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:51.639 won't say easier, but sometimes when you made relationships and 94 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.399 connections in your network, it makes it a little easier. 95 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.600 But it wasn't before he had some self doubts early 96 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.680 on why he was at A and C whether he 97 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:05.279 could compete, because he ran into these guys who was 98 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.199 in the physics program, and they came from the school 99 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:12.160 Swamp North. They had all of these great math and 100 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:16.439 science courses. In fact, they had physics, thermodynamics and classical 101 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.079 mechanics and had modern physics. And Ron only had a 102 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:23.199 class of physics one oh one taught by a teacher 103 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.160 who never saw a book of physics. So he came 104 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.759 in at a disadvantage, almost quit but to become a 105 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:33.920 music major. But his advisor, which you could only find, 106 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.720 we'd like to think that way, but usually at HPCUS 107 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:41.279 you'll find folks who will make certain that you get 108 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.399 what you need. She encouraged him to go try physics. 109 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.439 That was the confidence that he needed. He went on 110 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.199 and try try physics, and the rest is history. 111 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.160 It was a bitter, cold, but sparkling clear morning at 112 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.319 Cape canaveral Man and here at the last seconds of 113 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:56.480 the countdown. 114 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:02.040 Three two one and lift off, left off solve the 115 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:04.879 twenty fifth base Shuttle mission and it as clear. 116 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:05.399 As the tower. 117 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.079 All the communications between the shuttle and mission control indicated 118 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.839 everything was going fine. There was a sense of relief 119 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.040 that the much delayed flight was finally underway. 120 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.360 Engines had sixty five percent, three engines are running normally, 121 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:21.839 three good fuel deals, three good APUs engines throttling up, 122 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.040 three engines and owin one hundred and four percent challenger 123 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.959 goh it throttle up. 124 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:35.120 It happened just over one minute into flight. 125 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.120 One minute fifteen seconds, flanty twenty nine hundred and pet 126 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.360 per second, altitude nine augo milestown, range distance seven aug. 127 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:51.079 A mile, our mission control silence. Then the bland chilling report. 128 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.879 We have a report from the flight dynamics officer that 129 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.319 the vehicle has exploded. Flight director confirms that we are 130 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.240 looking at checking with the recovery forces to see what 131 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:02.560 can be done at this point. 132 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.279 A search effort couldn't begin for some fifteen minutes after 133 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.920 this debris, they said, just kept raining. 134 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:09.279 From the sky. 135 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.399 The head of the Space Shuttle program had no explanations, 136 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:13.920 just sorrow at the tragedy. 137 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:19.920 At eleven forty am this morning, Space program experience our 138 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:24.360 national tragedy with the explosion of the Space Shuttle Challenger. 139 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.680 Approximately a minute and a half, I have to launch 140 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:29.160 from here at the Kennedy Space Center. 141 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:33.919 Computer enhanced video shows the explosion in detail. What explosion 142 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.440 appears to happen at the rear of the spacecraft, around 143 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.960 the main engines, perhaps in one of the two solid 144 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.320 rocket boosters. Then up last, higher up, the shuttle was 145 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:47.639 instantly a blazing fireball. NASA has appointed a committee of 146 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.120 top engineers and scientists to investigate the catastrophe. Orders have 147 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.960 been issued to impound all records concerning the flight, down 148 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.200 to the personal notes of all the flight controllers. Dan Molina, 149 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.440 NBC News at the Johnson Space Center, Houston. 150 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.399 On the line right now is Carl McNair, the older 151 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.120 brother of doctor Ronald McNair, who perished thirty nine years 152 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.759 ago today on Challenger fifty one l if you old 153 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.759 enough to remember, it changed history. We'll have more with 154 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:17.320 Carl McNair in just a moment. 155 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.600 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 156 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.279 KFI AM six forty. 157 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.879 And I'm right in the middle of a very special conversation. 158 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:31.600 On this day, thirty nine years ago STS fifty one 159 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:36.440 l Space Shuttle Challenger exploded. If you old enough like 160 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.159 me to remember, it changed history. Right now on the 161 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.159 line with me is Carl McNair, the older brother of 162 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:47.519 doctor Ronald McNair, who perished along with six other astronauts 163 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:51.240 on this day thirty nine years ago. And Carl, I 164 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.080 think I remember, and I know you remember the Space 165 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.960 Shuttle program. It was after the Apollo missions. The mandate, 166 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.320 the direction of the space program was just different. What 167 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:06.600 was your brother's aspiration beyond the Space Shuttle program? Did 168 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:08.600 he want to go, maybe one day, back to the 169 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.759 move Where did he think his astronaut career would take him? 170 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.159 Well, all along Ronald wanted to be a college professor. 171 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.840 But when the opportunity came to apply to NASA, he 172 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.879 knew there was a latent desire to become an astronaut. 173 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.120 But remember now, during the dark times of the Gemini 174 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.840 and Apollo. You had to be military, you had to 175 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:32.799 be a fighter pilot, you had to be twenty twenty visions. 176 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.440 You didn't you couldn't be black. And of course he 177 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.120 certainly didn't fit the requirement of being a fighter pilot 178 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:40.120 because he never looked. 179 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.399 Playing, never was in the military. 180 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.279 So when the Space Shuttle program came around, this was 181 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:52.080 NASA's opportunity to have a more diverse space program. So 182 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.519 you had women, you had other ethnicities like white, et cetera. 183 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:02.080 And that's when he took advantage of that. That's how 184 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:04.039 he took advantage of it. And there was always this 185 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.360 laten designs. I said, I think Star Trek that was 186 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:10.759 a big plus for a lot of young people to 187 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.519 consider science degrees or work in the area of science 188 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.879 or stam if you will. And the prom was motivated 189 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.840 Prome by one person more so than anyone else, and 190 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.360 that was Lieutenant Yohora played by Michelle Nichols on Star Trek. 191 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.799 Let me tell you, folks will go back that time 192 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.559 to understand that was hour halle Berry doing those ladies. 193 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:37.840 Carl. Let me ask you this because I have to 194 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:40.440 ask you within the context of what's going on today. 195 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:46.120 The whole idea of DEI diversity equity inclusion is controversial 196 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.000 for lack of a better description, and it's been met 197 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:52.559 with a lot of resistance. But you're telling me, if 198 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:56.960 not for the public calls to diversify NASA, we would 199 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.759 not have heard about doctor Ronald McNair or his ex 200 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.919 world or his contributions within NASA. Is that correct? 201 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.639 Absolutely? And probably for women as well. They didn't have 202 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.799 any women and it was the New Space Program where 203 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.879 they had decided to diversify. I might add that was 204 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:17.840 under the administration Jimmy Carter, President Jimmy Carter's administration, So 205 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:19.879 that kind of kind of fits, doesn't it, And so 206 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:22.320 that's how that came about. 207 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.399 It would be very challenging today. I thought about this recently. 208 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:31.000 Obviously, that would being that I posted a picture of 209 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.960 the Space Shuttle Challenger fifty one L crew and I 210 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:38.519 thought to myself, would this have been possible today? 211 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:40.039 Would have been possible? 212 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:44.120 Since we're there, let's talk about it now directly. I 213 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.279 remember where I was when I got the news that 214 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.519 the Challenger Space Shuttle fifty one L had exploded shortly 215 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.639 after takeoff thirty nine years ago this week, I was 216 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.120 a junior in high school. I was walking in between 217 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.240 Spanish and ap English classes. I remember the cloud around 218 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.639 the very public investigation afterward. You know, all this is 219 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.440 just like seared in my memory. There have been plenty 220 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.440 of documentaries and movies over the years, and Karl McNair, 221 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:10.399 I've known you for some twenty years and I've never 222 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.120 asked you, but I'm asking you now. Have we, the 223 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.440 general public, or at least the families, gotten the full 224 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:17.919 truth surrounding Challenger? 225 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.919 Quite frankly, we have no real idea. 226 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.240 We know with some of the reports, We've seen some 227 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:30.480 documentaries and found out more, But the answer is no. 228 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.919 How do you look upon that some thirty nine years later. 229 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:40.759 Well, I'm very actor, quite frankly, as somebody said, whatever 230 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:42.720 they tell me, it's not going to bring Ron back, 231 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.000 not going to bring in aid of the crew back. 232 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.480 So I focus on the positive. As you well know, 233 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.000 we have a lot of mcneir's scholars program. 234 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:54.320 We have over five. 235 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.399 Thousand mcnear's scholars program, mcnehir's scholars in the program right now. 236 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:02.080 We've seen go on to do remarkable things in the 237 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:05.679 areas of science, technology, engineering, math, as well as other 238 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.279 profession as well. You know, for instance, Congresswoman Natima Williams 239 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.799 from Georgia, she's a McNair scholar, and there's others who 240 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.759 have achieved great things who are mcneir's scholars. 241 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.000 And it had it not been for. 242 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.519 The program, as I hear her from a person as 243 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:24.399 early as today, and had not been for that program, 244 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:25.440 they never would. 245 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.519 Have achieved the level of success that they have. 246 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.840 And the whole idea is inspired them be going to 247 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:36.279 graduate school ultimately to get a PhD or some other 248 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:40.759 doctor degree and return and be that person in front 249 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.600 of the classroom that many of them found themselves absent of. 250 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.639 So that's the essence of the program. 251 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.000 Carlbing there, My time is running short with you, but 252 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:51.840 I know earlier this evening and I appreciate you coming 253 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.440 on on such short notice. But earlier this evening there 254 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.039 was a candle light visual for doctor McNair as doctor 255 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.960 Ronald E. McNair Life History Memorial Park in Lake City, 256 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.360 South Carolina, where he was born. This is an annual 257 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.240 event to keep his memory alive. Along those lines, what 258 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.799 do you hear from the young people who may not 259 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.840 have any memory of him? But are now first learning 260 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:12.559 about him. 261 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.519 Well, we've found over the years. So the first thing 262 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.080 young people must do be exposed to possibilities out there. 263 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.799 As you occurred before. You can't be what you can't see, 264 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:29.200 and so we showed them, not only the professionals who 265 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.279 are in those areas as well. The Cantillot Visuals is 266 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:37.559 the annual annual event, if you will, to remember in 267 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.919 our small town, Lake City, South Carolina, when we were 268 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:44.200 coming along, it was no more than population what two thousand, 269 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.879 now maybe it's around eight if. 270 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:47.759 He fludge it a little bit. 271 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:53.360 And people need to remember that here was a country 272 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.879 bar from Lake City, South Carolina. As I mentioned, population 273 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:01.840 two thousand and segregated South Carolina was almost thrown out 274 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.240 the library. But he came out of this environment went 275 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:10.080 on to become an astronaut. And it was because of 276 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:13.320 the upbringing the school teachers at the time that we had. 277 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.759 And we remember, we remember the school teachers as well, 278 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:19.960 if it had not been for them to inspire Ron 279 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.919 to go to the Sower program at Virginia Union, which 280 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.200 is another HBCU, and that's when he got the idea 281 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.200 from a professor that he could go all the way 282 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.360 to the PhD. Didn't know what it was. 283 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:35.360 But he was going to receive a PhD out there 284 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.799 learning that that was the highest academic level that you 285 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:38.399 could achieve. 286 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.080 So that was the spark right there that carried him 287 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.919 on and some great advisors. 288 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.759 And he didn't get there by himself. 289 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.159 I want anybody to think that he just you know, 290 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.200 got to that level by himself, but people along the line. 291 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.120 I called him guarding an agents to looking over shielder 292 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:55.840 and make certain it takes the right direction. 293 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.720 He is Carl McNair, founder of McNair Achievement Program, author 294 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:05.599 and STEM Education consultant. He, like me and doctor Ronald McNair, 295 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.240 are men of Omega Sci Fi Fraternity Incorporated. Ral McNair, 296 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:11.960 I said it early, I'll stay it again. I've known 297 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.480 you for about twenty years. I've appreciated our dialogues off 298 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:19.359 air about your brother and your brother's achievements, and I 299 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.240 want to celebrate you and yours as well. Thank you 300 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.119 for coming on this show tonight, and let's keep Ronald 301 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:26.519 McNair's memory alive. 302 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:28.079 Thank you, brother. Kelly. 303 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.000 It's later with Moe Kelly k IF. I am six forty. 304 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.279 We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 305 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.359 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 306 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.440 KFI AM six forty and. 307 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.640 You've been hearing the updates. We are excited here. Fire 308 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:47.200 Aid is almost here. We were talking about this just 309 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.880 off air before the show about how much we are 310 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:55.519 excited by not only the fact we had the fire coverage, 311 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.720 but there's something good which is going to come out 312 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:01.319 of it where we as a community can come together 313 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:05.400 and make sure that these individuals who've lost their homes, 314 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.400 these individuals who don't know where to turn next, may 315 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:11.200 have lost their businesses, can get, at least on a 316 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.839 small level, some help. And we told you about fire 317 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:17.440 Aid before it was even going to be called fire Aid, 318 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.599 before they even had any artists who were signed up. 319 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:22.880 But we told you about the process. Here's what's going 320 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.599 to happen, and you'll see these big names rolling in 321 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:29.440 and now the big names are here for fire Aid, 322 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.640 which is going to be on Thursday, January thirtieth at 323 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.759 both six pm at seven thirty pm between two different venues, 324 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:41.759 the Kia Form and the Into It Dome. And let's 325 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.039 say you can't get there in person, you can watch 326 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:47.279 it on Max. You can watch it on Amazon Prime Video, 327 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:51.880 Direct Stream, Apple TV, Hulu, Disney Plus, Direct Tv, Peacock, 328 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:57.000 Paramount Plus, NBC News Now, Netflix to Doom, YouTube Tv, 329 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:03.079 Amazon Music, you can listen Apple Music, you can listen Spotify, Serious, XM, iHeartRadio, 330 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:08.920 of course, SoundCloud, Amazon Live, TikTok FanDuel. It goes on 331 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:12.359 and on and on. What about tickets, Well, I'm glad 332 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.240 you asked. The tickets are available right now and you 333 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.880 can get them at ticketmaster dot com. What time is 334 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.920 the concert? Tell you again? Starts at six o'clock at 335 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.119 the ki of Forum. The doors open at five. The 336 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:27.039 Into a Dome will begin at seven point thirty. Doors 337 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.079 also open at five pm. And if you live in 338 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:32.880 and around Inglewood like me, well you're just sol. Don't 339 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.799 try to drive in that area if you don't actually 340 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.599 have to be in that area. Well, what if you 341 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.200 want to watch both concerts, Well you probably won't want 342 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:45.279 to go to the venue if you want to see 343 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.279 both concerts. But in an effort to ensure people can 344 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.359 at least experience as much of the fire Aid benefit 345 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:55.720 show as possible, fans who buy tickets four Into a 346 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:58.400 Dome will be able to view the key of Form 347 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:04.319 show when it begins on screens inside the into a Dome. Conversely, 348 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.279 when the Key of Forms show ends, fans inside will 349 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.119 be able to view the acts at Into a Dome 350 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:12.680 on screens at the KYA Form until the end of 351 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.559 the event. If you're wondering how much ticket's gonna cost, well, 352 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.160 they start at ninety nine dollars. But here's the good news. 353 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.079 One hundred percent of ticket purchases go to benefit fire 354 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:27.960 aid relief efforts with all venue and ticketing service fees way, 355 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:30.880 so the price you see is the price you will 356 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.079 actually pay, and one hundred percent of that ticket goes 357 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:39.160 to benefit fire aid relief efforts. Now, you will have 358 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:42.920 the opportunity to go either show, but you probably won't 359 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.519 be able to go to both shows. In other words, 360 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.799 tickets are only valid for the venue that you select, 361 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.359 So be very clear are you buying tickets for Kia 362 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:55.400 Forum or into a Dome Because it will not let you. 363 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.480 Even though they're right down the street from each other, 364 00:20:57.880 --> 00:20:59.559 You're not gonna be able to drive back and forth. 365 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.880 Maybe spend an hour one venue then go over to 366 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.400 the other venue. No, they will have screens inside, but 367 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.640 you will not be allowed entrance or access to both venues. 368 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:11.640 And the question I usually get is you know, can 369 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.079 I watch it? Yes, some of us will just be 370 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:15.880 watching it. I know we may have it on the 371 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.079 screens and here inside the studio at KFI. Obviously we 372 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.000 can't listen to it per se, but we can watch 373 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:24.839 what's going on. But you you can watch it through 374 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:28.160 all those devices and streaming apps I told you about. 375 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:30.960 You can listen to any of the FM stations here 376 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:35.759 at iHeartMedia LA. They'll all be broadcasting the concert. And 377 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.599 it's going to be a wonderful, wonderful event. And I 378 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:41.960 haven't gone over yet. Let me go over it one 379 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:43.799 more time about some of the acts which are going 380 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.599 to be performing. This is just some of the acts. 381 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:55.200 I expect some last minute late announcements about huge, huge performers, 382 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:57.200 but right now we know at the end to it Dome, 383 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:02.319 you're going to have Billie Eilish Abrams little baby shout 384 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:04.039 out to Mark Runner. That's what you had me at 385 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:08.039 the infant Mark you have always been a little Baby fan. 386 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.519 So it's my job to give credit where credit is due. 387 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:16.400 Lady Gaga, Olivia Rodrigo, Katy Perry, and if that wasn't 388 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:21.160 good enough, Stevie Wonder, the Stevie Wonder, Tate mccraig, Staying 389 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:24.359 and Moore. In other words, they have other artists which 390 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:27.160 they will be announcing in the next twenty four hours 391 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.200 at the key of form. Let's say I love into 392 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.079 a Dome, but I'm more interested in going to the 393 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:34.599 Kia form. Well, here's what's waiting for you a lot. 394 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:38.960 It's more Set Green Day, Dave Matthews and John Mayer, 395 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:43.079 Red Hot Chili Peppers, No Doubt, Pink, and some other 396 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:48.519 surprise guests that they will be announcing, and you can 397 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.119 listen to all this on the iHeartRadio app. Of course, 398 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.799 you can listen to it on our terrestrial radio stations. 399 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:55.799 I told you about our FM radio stations. I'm talking 400 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:59.559 about my FM, or Real ninety two to three, or 401 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.279