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I'm going to talk about Hungry Horse Poker Mark Goon.
I'm going to say right up front, man, so there's
no confusion about this. I'm not questioning Mark Goon and
Hungry Horse Poker. Guys are brilliant, amazing, top tier poker players,
top tier poker instructors. I can't be more adamant about that.
So I'm just telling you right up front, if you
want to know who some top tier poker players are,
Mark Goon and I forget what the other guy's name
is that started that business with them, Gavin maybe top tier,
top of the line poker instructors, top notch man. They
they can teach you to crush the games that they're
teaching people to crush. So I mean, if the environments
that you're playing in are the games that they're teaching for,
and do you have the money to pay whatever is
they're asking, by all means they get my full endorsement.
So why am I making this episode? Well, because I
have a very niche audience. When I started this podcast,
I guess starting like five years ago. Now it's been
a long time. When I started this podcast, I'm like,
there's nobody out there that's just teaching really basic simple
concepts to teach people how to just beat one two
no limit. That's what I was talking about at the time.
I almost always just talked about one too no limit always.
In the in the past five years, more and more
one two games have become one three games. It's still
the same game, but you know, it's like one two,
one three, it's a little bit different. They play a
little you know, it's a little bit more of a
buy in usually, but it's still basically the same game.
It's the bottom tier game in your room, right whatever,
the bottom tier game in your room is one two
or one three. And of course, uh in games that
have soft two five games, what I teach will also
help you very well in those games as well, but
that's it. But mainly it's just one two. Like, there's
just so many people out there playing one two. They
maybe been playing for you know, twenty years, and they
just never knew how to play, and they just enjoy
it and they're like, eh, I'd like to win. Or
it's somebody that's been trying, but they've been trying these
things they see in YouTube channels and they've looked at
solvers and they've done all this stuff and their game
is still sucks and they don't know what to do.
That's what I created this podcast for specifically those games.
And so what are those games? What are the games
I'm talking about talking about games with where eighty percent
of the people at the table are passive. They're just
super passive. I'm talking about games where you know, if
you're in a one to two game, most people are
gonna have around two hundred dollars. They're gonna have a
round one hundred big bndes. But you'll have one or
two people that's able, you know, they got one hundred dollars.
I mean, these are the games we play, these are
the spots that we see all the time. I'm talking
about games where that are filled with calling stations. I'm
talking about games where people don't bluff that much. They
don't three bet bluff pre flop, they don't four bet
bluff pre flop. Ever, they don't raise flops as a
bluff hardly ever, they don't for sure it ever, raise
turns is a bluff hardly ever. Like these games are
very specific, the player pool that you're playing against, it
at one tuner limit is a very specific player pool.
And so what I teach is player pool dependent strategies.
They aren't gto. They an't the best poker you can play.
I don't teach anybody how to play the most amazing
poker you can play. I just don't do that, because
you don't have to. I've learned how you maximally exploit
the pool of one two poker players. And then what
I teach the raised sizes, the raising ranges, three bet sizes,
the three bet ranges, the four bet sizes, the four
bet ranges, all these things that I teach. Everything that
I teach is taught to maximumly exploit the player pool
at one two no limit period. Now let's talk about
Hungry Horse. Oh I forgot multiway. So most pots are
multiway or super multi way. That's the other defining characteristic
of these one two, one three games. Every pot is
going to be multi way. Uh that means more than
you know, two people in the hands, so it's you
and two other people minimum. I like to call that
low stakes heads up because that's about as close to
heads of usules ever get. Or super multi way, which
is you and three or more other people, which happens
a ton. It'll be you and three other people in
the hand post flop a ton of the time. So
these are the characteristics of the games that I teach
people how to beat. So if you play it in
those games, then you're listening to the right guy. Okay,
so I want to be clear about that. Now, let's
talk about what Hungry Horse teaches. Hungry Horse teaches you
how to play games where you will find some people
who will three bet bluff occasionally, four bet bluff occasionally,
who will raise his bluffs on flops and turns occasionally,
not a ton, not a ton more than the playerpool
I'm talking about. So to be clear, there are some similarities,
but the playerpool that he's talking about does it slightly
more than the player pool I'm talking about. So that's
number one, Number two he's talking about in player pools
he's talking about a lot of his instruction is based
on being heads up with somebody. So I don't know
why people don't notice this, because I've had people ask me, well,
hungry horses, you should do this here, and I'm like, okay,
what can you point me to an episode or a
video where you because I would love to because I
watch all of this stuff. And they were, well, okay,
it's just this video here, and I'm like, give me
a timestamp, send me a video, and give me a
time stamp. So they'll send me a link to the
video and they'll put me a time stamp in there,
and I'll go look at it and I'll reply to him.
They're like, do you notice anything about that hand that
may be different from from hands you play? Do you
notice anything about that hand that's uniquely different than hands
you play? Oh, don't know what you're talking about. Uh.
He's given you a demonstration of him being heads up
versus a person out of position, or heads up versus
person in position, Like, how many times at one two
are you heads up versus someone in or out of position, Like,
how often does that ever happen? I mean, think about it.
Think about how many times that you go play poker
for five hours. How many pots do you play during
that five hours where you and another player are heads
up on the flop? I mean there's for sure sessions
where it never happens. Yeah, you're just never heads up
with a person ever. H Then there will be sessions where,
you know, every now and then, you know, maybe out
of the four or five hours, you maybe heads up
with somebody three or four times. And then of course
you there'll be some sessions where you may be heads
up with somebody six times. So most of the time
you're going to be going multi way or super multi
way to a flop. And I'll be like, look at
that video. Is he is he teaching you anything about
what to do in this spot when there's four other
people in the hand with you, like the hand you
were asking about because you applied some principle he was
teaching till hands you were in where it was you
and four other players and you were in the fish sandwich.
What is the fish sandwich? The fish sandwich when you're
stuck in the middle of the action, you have players
before you, players after you. That's the fish Sandwich. I
did an episode about being in the fish Sandwich. I
probably did a couple episodes a long long time ago,
that's probably three, four or five years ago. On the podcast,
I talked about in the Fish sealing. So you're playing
a game where you're playing a game on the flop.
We're in the fish Sandwich super Multiweight, and he's given
advice on a hand where your head's up and he's
in position, and what's the other difference in the hand.
What's the other difference in the hand the hand you're
asking me about where you tried to apply this advice
that Hunger Horse taught you. You were in a hand
where you're in a one two game and you had
two hundred and ten dollars. The other player had eighty dollars.
Another player had one hundred and forty dollars, another player
had one hundred and ninety dollars, and another player had
twenty seven dollars. Now look at the hand that he
was teaching on in this video. He was heads up
in position in a two to five game where both
players had fifteen hundred dollars. That's fifteen hundred dollars. They
had three hundred big minds. The spots that he's teaching
is not the spot you were playing. So you were
trying to apply advice. You learned about a spot that
you weren't playing in. And here in lies the rubble.
Hungry Horse, Hungry Horse. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna tell
you this right now and again, this is not a
slight a hungry Horse. They're brilliant. The stuff they teach
is amazing. But Hunger Horse poker has made the one
two streets better for good one two players. I love
seeing a hungry Horse person sit down at my one
two game. If I'm playing one to no limit and
a Hunger Horse person sits down in my one too
no limit game, I know a couple of things about them.
They're gonna way over bluff in spots that don't make
any sense. Now in their mind, that makes sense because
they saw Hungry Horse teach about making this bluff on
this turn for you know, one and a half size
pot better whatever. And here they are hundred big blinds deep,
and they do the bluff on the turn, you know,
for sixty percent pot all in against four other players,
and well shit, it didn't work that time, but Hungry
Horse says it works, and so I'm gonna keep doing it. Well,
that ain't what Hungry Horse said. The spot you were in,
Hunger Horse is never taught. He's never made a single
video about the spot you were in. Not a single
video will you find on the Hungry Horse channel about
that spot that you were just in against four other
players when you had sixty percent pie left. He just
doesn't teach it. You go find me one, Go find
me a video where he talks about a strategy for that.
He doesn't have one. And again it's not a slight
of him, because that's not that's what he's teaching. So
I love Hungry Horse Poker. I have actually learned a
couple of neat tricks from Hungry Horse Poker. I call
them tricks. They're not tricks. They're fundamentally sound strategies for
specific spots that you find yourself in. And I will
occasionally find myself in those spots in the one two
streets and more often find them when I'm in the
one three streets that plays bigger. So I actually do
play a one three game that has a one thousand
dollars cap, and then I will also play a one
three game that's matched, that's matched the stack. It's well,
that is the game. It's so it's a one thousand cap,
but it's matched the stack. So the further the game plays,
the deeper it gets. I mean, you could be in
that game, in the one three game and people could
have four thousand dollars stacks. Then I also occasionally not
as much anymore because people prefer the one k matches
that game, but occasionally in just a one three game
with a two K cap, which is a crazy deep
one three game. And then I do play too five
from time to time. I don't typically play that at
my homeroom, but when I travel, if play two five,
I play that in spots like Texas, play at South Florida,
play it in Jacksonville. So occasionally will play it two
five games where to be a little bit stack. Now
Jacksonville not necessarily wind up deeper like that. Again, Jacksonville
has changed. I think the two fives will one K
cap now. It was an eight hundred dollars cap forever,
so I mean deep deep ish, I mean it's better
now it's one k, so you can find you can
definitely find yourself in some spots like that. Occasionally in
one too, for sure. Occasionally in A one two those
spots will pop up, but they're rare and you need
to understand when those spots exist and then you can
apply them. And so he has a couple of strategies
and things that I've been like, oh, okay, so I've
actually started not not only just playing it, but I've
actually started talking about those specific spots over on my
Patreon where I teach people how to crush low steaks.
I've implemented it into the teaching as well. And I always,
almost always, I think, every time I've ever mentioned it,
I will say something like, this is something I picked
up from Hungry Horse Love, Hungry Horse Poker. I think
Mark Goon is brilliant, you know, man bun personal choice.
But you know I say that in you know, somebody
winds up sending Mark noon this podcast and he listens
to it. Dude, it's just his joke, just trying to
be funny. Look, if you're playing in the games and
in the environments that he's teaching for, you should not
be giving me any money. You should be giving all
your money to him. I just want to be very
clear with that. I'm never here to try to get
money from people that I can't help. If I can't
help you, I don't want your money because I don't
need your money. So if you're playing in the environments
that he's teaching for, when you watch his videos and
you're like, yeah, I see myself in that spot a lot, man,
I'm always heads up with some guy. But you know,
I've always it's always folded to me. It's folding to
me in the cut off a lot and I'm raising
and getting three bit by the button and playing heads
up a lot. If you're in that spot a lot,
I mean, he's the guy you should be playing and
you should definitely be paying him. Not that I don't
know how to play that spot, because I do, and
I do have some content based around spots like that,
because they rarely have, but most of my contents not
geared to spots like that, because you don't see spots
like that at one to no limit hardly ever, hardly ever.
At one too no limit does it fold to the
cutoff who raises and then they get a three bet
by the button and the blinds fold and they have
to make a decision on what to do in this
heads up spot that just doesn't happen at one two
O limit. You just don't see that happen. So if
I were to spend a lot of time on my
Patreon and my Discord teaching how to play that spot,
I would be wasting my time. I'd be wasting the
people who's paying me time. I would just be It
would be nonsense. It be nonsensical for me to spend
a lot of time talking about that spot. On the
other hand, the games that Mark Goon and Hungry Horse
are teaching people to play in that spot comes up
a lot. It's a pretty frequent spot, you know, So
I want to put that out there. I think you
should for sure follow a Hungry Horse if you can understand,
if you can differentiate when he's talking about spots you
find yourself in, versus when he's talking about spots that
you never find yourself in, and don't misapply his teachings
to spots that he's not teaching for when when he's
talking about well, their range is really capped on the
turn because those are on a flop and they can't
have it. You know, I'm not running into any walls
on the turn because they didn't do this on the flop.
And then when I get to the river, there's no
walls I can run into. They can't have this, they
can't have this, they can't have this, And so I
just ship it for two x pot and they're gonna
fold ninety five percent of the time. And you're trying
to apply that at a spot where you went five
ways to a flop, your four ways to a turn,
and now you're three ways on the river. You're just
gonna get wrecked. Man, You're just gonna get wrecked. You're
gonna have no money. You're gonna have to get a
part time job driving for Lyft to supplement your full
time job working for wherever you work, to dig out
of the hole that you've dug yourself into by misapplying
Hungry Horse strategies to games in spots that you're not
actually playing in. So love Hungry Horse. I love it
when Hungry Horse people show up at my poker table
in one two. Again, No, I want to be clear,
I don't love it if people who are Hungry Horse
disciples who know what they're doing show up at my
one two. So these are people that one know how
to play one two already, right, and they can play
bigger games and better games, and they've learned how to
do all that from Hunger Horse. These are these would
be like smart, intelligent, good poker players. They adapt to
the game they're in. I'm not knowing about those guys.
Those guys will crush you. I mean I might hold
my own against them. I'm not the worst poker player ever.
I teach how to play really soft games that are
easily beatable, but I hold my own against tougher in
tougher games. Not the toughest games, but in tougher games.
So I'm not necessarily terrified, but that they're not good
for the game. It's my point. But when I say
when Hungry Horse guys show up, I'm talking about Hungry
Horse guys who follow him on YouTube are playing in
these one two multi way spots and they're misapplying what
he teaches the spots they're in. I love when those
Hungry Horse guys go up, because the game gets way
better because they're just gonna be blasting off man, just
gonna be piling money in. They're piling it in the
worst spots, and I'm like welcome to the table, Hungry Horse.
So I hope this has been clear. I hope I've
been very very clear that I'm not bashing Hungry Horse.
I hope I've been very very clear that if you're
playing in the games that are that emulate the games
that he's teaching spots for, give him your money. But
if you listen to what he says when he's encouraging
people to sign up for his courses, he likes to
take people who are beating two, five, no limit and
higher for three or four or five or six big
blinds an hour. He likes to take those people and
teach them to double that win rate. So he takes
two five players that are making you know, thirty or
forty dollars an hour, and he likes to teach them
up to make seventy five, eight, five, ninety or one
hundred dollars an hour. That is what most of his
strategies are designed for. He's pretty upfront about it. But uh,
he never gets disclaimers at his videos. It goes, don't
do any of this stuff five ways post flop in
a one to two game. He never says that stuff,
and so people I won't I don't want to say
people are dumb. It's not that people are dumb. People
just don't make the connection when they're watching the videos.
It doesn't click with them that what he's doing is
heads up three hundred big linds effective and that they're
playing a game that's five ways to a flop where
you know, twenty five percent of the people in the
hand have a hundred big linds and nobody has more
than no more or fifty big linds. Twenty people hand
have fifty big minds. Most everybls has around one hundred
big minds, and maybe one person has more than a
hundred big linds. I mean, so the spots that're just way,
way different. I know that I'm going on about this
now for twenty minutes. It's something that I could have
said in five minutes. And it's not that I meant
to waste your time, but I wanted to be very
clear on what the differences in the games are. And
I also wanted to be overly generous to Mark Goon
and Hungry Horse, because I know somebody's going to send
him a link to this and go this idiot that
could barely meet one two is bashing you. It's not
what's happening at all. And as a matter of fact,
I could be wrong. But if Mark Mark Goon is
the person I think he is, and the poker player
I believe he is, and the teacher that I believe
he is, he would be the first to tell you
that what I'm saying is correct. People for sure are
misapplying his principles and spots that he isn't teaching. And
for sure he's not teaching stuff for everybody. He's pretty
clear about that in most of his videos on who
they specialize in teaching. I think he would agree with me.
I don't think he would be offended at all by this.
So look, people that are misapplying the hungry Horse stuff,
welcome to my one two game. Hunger Horse players that
are crushers and can differentiate between games and how to
play in different environments. I'd prefer you nut show up
them on one two table because you're gonna make me
eat worse. Sure you're great people, and with that we'll
wrap it up. Look, if you want to learn how
to crush one two, if you want to learn how
to crush games that you play in, that's what I
teach if you play one two or one three, where
it's often multiway to a flop where people rarely have
more than one hundred big blinds. People are super passive.
They rarely ever three bet or four bet as a bluff.
Then that's the games that I'm teaching. That's that's the
games you're playing, and that's what I teach. And low
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two games are at least ten dollars, maybe fifteen dollars.
So if you're three betting them, if you three bet
one time in a month, in a one to two game.
My course costs you less than that. My Patreon costs
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