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Speaker 1: Hello, we welcome into another episode of the Lowlimit Cash

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about that at the end of the episode. Right now,

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I'm going to talk about Hungry Horse Poker Mark Goon.

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I'm going to say right up front, man, so there's

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no confusion about this. I'm not questioning Mark Goon and

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Hungry Horse Poker. Guys are brilliant, amazing, top tier poker players,

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top tier poker instructors. I can't be more adamant about that.

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So I'm just telling you right up front, if you

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want to know who some top tier poker players are,

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Mark Goon and I forget what the other guy's name

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is that started that business with them, Gavin maybe top tier,

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top of the line poker instructors, top notch man. They

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they can teach you to crush the games that they're

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teaching people to crush. So I mean, if the environments

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that you're playing in are the games that they're teaching for,

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and do you have the money to pay whatever is

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they're asking, by all means they get my full endorsement.

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So why am I making this episode? Well, because I

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have a very niche audience. When I started this podcast,

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I guess starting like five years ago. Now it's been

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a long time. When I started this podcast, I'm like,

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there's nobody out there that's just teaching really basic simple

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concepts to teach people how to just beat one two

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no limit. That's what I was talking about at the time.

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I almost always just talked about one too no limit always.

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In the in the past five years, more and more

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one two games have become one three games. It's still

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the same game, but you know, it's like one two,

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one three, it's a little bit different. They play a

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little you know, it's a little bit more of a

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buy in usually, but it's still basically the same game.

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It's the bottom tier game in your room, right whatever,

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the bottom tier game in your room is one two

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or one three. And of course, uh in games that

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have soft two five games, what I teach will also

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help you very well in those games as well, but

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that's it. But mainly it's just one two. Like, there's

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just so many people out there playing one two. They

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maybe been playing for you know, twenty years, and they

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just never knew how to play, and they just enjoy

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it and they're like, eh, I'd like to win. Or

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it's somebody that's been trying, but they've been trying these

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things they see in YouTube channels and they've looked at

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solvers and they've done all this stuff and their game

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is still sucks and they don't know what to do.

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That's what I created this podcast for specifically those games.

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And so what are those games? What are the games

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I'm talking about talking about games with where eighty percent

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of the people at the table are passive. They're just

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super passive. I'm talking about games where you know, if

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you're in a one to two game, most people are

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gonna have around two hundred dollars. They're gonna have a

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round one hundred big bndes. But you'll have one or

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two people that's able, you know, they got one hundred dollars.

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I mean, these are the games we play, these are

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the spots that we see all the time. I'm talking

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about games where that are filled with calling stations. I'm

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talking about games where people don't bluff that much. They

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don't three bet bluff pre flop, they don't four bet

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bluff pre flop. Ever, they don't raise flops as a

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bluff hardly ever, they don't for sure it ever, raise

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turns is a bluff hardly ever. Like these games are

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very specific, the player pool that you're playing against, it

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at one tuner limit is a very specific player pool.

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And so what I teach is player pool dependent strategies.

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They aren't gto. They an't the best poker you can play.

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I don't teach anybody how to play the most amazing

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poker you can play. I just don't do that, because

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you don't have to. I've learned how you maximally exploit

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the pool of one two poker players. And then what

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I teach the raised sizes, the raising ranges, three bet sizes,

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the three bet ranges, the four bet sizes, the four

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bet ranges, all these things that I teach. Everything that

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I teach is taught to maximumly exploit the player pool

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at one two no limit period. Now let's talk about

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Hungry Horse. Oh I forgot multiway. So most pots are

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multiway or super multi way. That's the other defining characteristic

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of these one two, one three games. Every pot is

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going to be multi way. Uh that means more than

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you know, two people in the hands, so it's you

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and two other people minimum. I like to call that

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low stakes heads up because that's about as close to

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heads of usules ever get. Or super multi way, which

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is you and three or more other people, which happens

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a ton. It'll be you and three other people in

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the hand post flop a ton of the time. So

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these are the characteristics of the games that I teach

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people how to beat. So if you play it in

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those games, then you're listening to the right guy. Okay,

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so I want to be clear about that. Now, let's

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talk about what Hungry Horse teaches. Hungry Horse teaches you

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how to play games where you will find some people

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who will three bet bluff occasionally, four bet bluff occasionally,

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who will raise his bluffs on flops and turns occasionally,

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not a ton, not a ton more than the playerpool

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I'm talking about. So to be clear, there are some similarities,

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but the playerpool that he's talking about does it slightly

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more than the player pool I'm talking about. So that's

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number one, Number two he's talking about in player pools

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he's talking about a lot of his instruction is based

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on being heads up with somebody. So I don't know

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why people don't notice this, because I've had people ask me, well,

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hungry horses, you should do this here, and I'm like, okay,

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what can you point me to an episode or a

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video where you because I would love to because I

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watch all of this stuff. And they were, well, okay,

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it's just this video here, and I'm like, give me

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a timestamp, send me a video, and give me a

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time stamp. So they'll send me a link to the

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video and they'll put me a time stamp in there,

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and I'll go look at it and I'll reply to him.

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They're like, do you notice anything about that hand that

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may be different from from hands you play? Do you

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notice anything about that hand that's uniquely different than hands

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you play? Oh, don't know what you're talking about. Uh.

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He's given you a demonstration of him being heads up

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versus a person out of position, or heads up versus

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person in position, Like, how many times at one two

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are you heads up versus someone in or out of position, Like,

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how often does that ever happen? I mean, think about it.

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Think about how many times that you go play poker

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for five hours. How many pots do you play during

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that five hours where you and another player are heads

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up on the flop? I mean there's for sure sessions

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where it never happens. Yeah, you're just never heads up

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with a person ever. H Then there will be sessions where,

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you know, every now and then, you know, maybe out

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of the four or five hours, you maybe heads up

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with somebody three or four times. And then of course

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you there'll be some sessions where you may be heads

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up with somebody six times. So most of the time

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you're going to be going multi way or super multi

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way to a flop. And I'll be like, look at

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that video. Is he is he teaching you anything about

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what to do in this spot when there's four other

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people in the hand with you, like the hand you

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were asking about because you applied some principle he was

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teaching till hands you were in where it was you

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and four other players and you were in the fish sandwich.

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What is the fish sandwich? The fish sandwich when you're

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stuck in the middle of the action, you have players

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before you, players after you. That's the fish Sandwich. I

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did an episode about being in the fish Sandwich. I

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probably did a couple episodes a long long time ago,

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that's probably three, four or five years ago. On the podcast,

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I talked about in the Fish sealing. So you're playing

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a game where you're playing a game on the flop.

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We're in the fish Sandwich super Multiweight, and he's given

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advice on a hand where your head's up and he's

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in position, and what's the other difference in the hand.

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What's the other difference in the hand the hand you're

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asking me about where you tried to apply this advice

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that Hunger Horse taught you. You were in a hand

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where you're in a one two game and you had

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two hundred and ten dollars. The other player had eighty dollars.

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Another player had one hundred and forty dollars, another player

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had one hundred and ninety dollars, and another player had

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twenty seven dollars. Now look at the hand that he

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was teaching on in this video. He was heads up

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in position in a two to five game where both

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players had fifteen hundred dollars. That's fifteen hundred dollars. They

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had three hundred big minds. The spots that he's teaching

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is not the spot you were playing. So you were

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trying to apply advice. You learned about a spot that

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you weren't playing in. And here in lies the rubble.

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Hungry Horse, Hungry Horse. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna tell

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you this right now and again, this is not a

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slight a hungry Horse. They're brilliant. The stuff they teach

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is amazing. But Hunger Horse poker has made the one

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two streets better for good one two players. I love

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seeing a hungry Horse person sit down at my one

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two game. If I'm playing one to no limit and

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a Hunger Horse person sits down in my one too

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no limit game, I know a couple of things about them.

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They're gonna way over bluff in spots that don't make

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any sense. Now in their mind, that makes sense because

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they saw Hungry Horse teach about making this bluff on

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this turn for you know, one and a half size

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pot better whatever. And here they are hundred big blinds deep,

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and they do the bluff on the turn, you know,

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for sixty percent pot all in against four other players,

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and well shit, it didn't work that time, but Hungry

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Horse says it works, and so I'm gonna keep doing it. Well,

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that ain't what Hungry Horse said. The spot you were in,

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Hunger Horse is never taught. He's never made a single

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video about the spot you were in. Not a single

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video will you find on the Hungry Horse channel about

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that spot that you were just in against four other

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players when you had sixty percent pie left. He just

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doesn't teach it. You go find me one, Go find

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me a video where he talks about a strategy for that.

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He doesn't have one. And again it's not a slight

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of him, because that's not that's what he's teaching. So

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I love Hungry Horse Poker. I have actually learned a

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couple of neat tricks from Hungry Horse Poker. I call

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them tricks. They're not tricks. They're fundamentally sound strategies for

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specific spots that you find yourself in. And I will

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occasionally find myself in those spots in the one two

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streets and more often find them when I'm in the

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one three streets that plays bigger. So I actually do

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play a one three game that has a one thousand

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dollars cap, and then I will also play a one

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three game that's matched, that's matched the stack. It's well,

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that is the game. It's so it's a one thousand cap,

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but it's matched the stack. So the further the game plays,

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the deeper it gets. I mean, you could be in

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that game, in the one three game and people could

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have four thousand dollars stacks. Then I also occasionally not

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as much anymore because people prefer the one k matches

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that game, but occasionally in just a one three game

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with a two K cap, which is a crazy deep

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one three game. And then I do play too five

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from time to time. I don't typically play that at

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my homeroom, but when I travel, if play two five,

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I play that in spots like Texas, play at South Florida,

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play it in Jacksonville. So occasionally will play it two

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five games where to be a little bit stack. Now

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Jacksonville not necessarily wind up deeper like that. Again, Jacksonville

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has changed. I think the two fives will one K

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cap now. It was an eight hundred dollars cap forever,

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so I mean deep deep ish, I mean it's better

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now it's one k, so you can find you can

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definitely find yourself in some spots like that. Occasionally in

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one too, for sure. Occasionally in A one two those

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spots will pop up, but they're rare and you need

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to understand when those spots exist and then you can

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apply them. And so he has a couple of strategies

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and things that I've been like, oh, okay, so I've

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actually started not not only just playing it, but I've

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actually started talking about those specific spots over on my

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I've implemented it into the teaching as well. And I always,

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almost always, I think, every time I've ever mentioned it,

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I will say something like, this is something I picked

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up from Hungry Horse Love, Hungry Horse Poker. I think

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Mark Goon is brilliant, you know, man bun personal choice.

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But you know I say that in you know, somebody

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winds up sending Mark noon this podcast and he listens

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to it. Dude, it's just his joke, just trying to

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be funny. Look, if you're playing in the games and

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in the environments that he's teaching for, you should not

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be giving me any money. You should be giving all

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your money to him. I just want to be very

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clear with that. I'm never here to try to get

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money from people that I can't help. If I can't

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help you, I don't want your money because I don't

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need your money. So if you're playing in the environments

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that he's teaching for, when you watch his videos and

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you're like, yeah, I see myself in that spot a lot, man,

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I'm always heads up with some guy. But you know,

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I've always it's always folded to me. It's folding to

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me in the cut off a lot and I'm raising

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and getting three bit by the button and playing heads

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up a lot. If you're in that spot a lot,

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I mean, he's the guy you should be playing and

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you should definitely be paying him. Not that I don't

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know how to play that spot, because I do, and

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I do have some content based around spots like that,

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because they rarely have, but most of my contents not

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geared to spots like that, because you don't see spots

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like that at one to no limit hardly ever, hardly ever.

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At one too no limit does it fold to the

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cutoff who raises and then they get a three bet

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by the button and the blinds fold and they have

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to make a decision on what to do in this

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heads up spot that just doesn't happen at one two

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O limit. You just don't see that happen. So if

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I were to spend a lot of time on my

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Patreon and my Discord teaching how to play that spot,

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I would be wasting my time. I'd be wasting the

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people who's paying me time. I would just be It

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would be nonsense. It be nonsensical for me to spend

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a lot of time talking about that spot. On the

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other hand, the games that Mark Goon and Hungry Horse

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are teaching people to play in that spot comes up

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a lot. It's a pretty frequent spot, you know, So

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I want to put that out there. I think you

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should for sure follow a Hungry Horse if you can understand,

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if you can differentiate when he's talking about spots you

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find yourself in, versus when he's talking about spots that

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you never find yourself in, and don't misapply his teachings

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to spots that he's not teaching for when when he's

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talking about well, their range is really capped on the

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turn because those are on a flop and they can't

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have it. You know, I'm not running into any walls

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on the turn because they didn't do this on the flop.

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And then when I get to the river, there's no

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walls I can run into. They can't have this, they

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can't have this, they can't have this, And so I

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just ship it for two x pot and they're gonna

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fold ninety five percent of the time. And you're trying

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to apply that at a spot where you went five

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ways to a flop, your four ways to a turn,

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and now you're three ways on the river. You're just

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gonna get wrecked. Man, You're just gonna get wrecked. You're

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gonna have no money. You're gonna have to get a

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part time job driving for Lyft to supplement your full

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time job working for wherever you work, to dig out

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of the hole that you've dug yourself into by misapplying

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Hungry Horse strategies to games in spots that you're not

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actually playing in. So love Hungry Horse. I love it

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when Hungry Horse people show up at my poker table

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in one two. Again, No, I want to be clear,

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I don't love it if people who are Hungry Horse

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disciples who know what they're doing show up at my

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one two. So these are people that one know how

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to play one two already, right, and they can play

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bigger games and better games, and they've learned how to

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do all that from Hunger Horse. These are these would

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be like smart, intelligent, good poker players. They adapt to

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the game they're in. I'm not knowing about those guys.

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Those guys will crush you. I mean I might hold

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my own against them. I'm not the worst poker player ever.

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I teach how to play really soft games that are

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easily beatable, but I hold my own against tougher in

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tougher games. Not the toughest games, but in tougher games.

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So I'm not necessarily terrified, but that they're not good

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for the game. It's my point. But when I say

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when Hungry Horse guys show up, I'm talking about Hungry

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Horse guys who follow him on YouTube are playing in

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these one two multi way spots and they're misapplying what

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he teaches the spots they're in. I love when those

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Hungry Horse guys go up, because the game gets way

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better because they're just gonna be blasting off man, just

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gonna be piling money in. They're piling it in the

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worst spots, and I'm like welcome to the table, Hungry Horse.

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So I hope this has been clear. I hope I've

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been very very clear that I'm not bashing Hungry Horse.

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I hope I've been very very clear that if you're

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playing in the games that are that emulate the games

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that he's teaching spots for, give him your money. But

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if you listen to what he says when he's encouraging

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people to sign up for his courses, he likes to

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take people who are beating two, five, no limit and

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higher for three or four or five or six big

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blinds an hour. He likes to take those people and

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teach them to double that win rate. So he takes

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two five players that are making you know, thirty or

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forty dollars an hour, and he likes to teach them

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up to make seventy five, eight, five, ninety or one

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hundred dollars an hour. That is what most of his

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strategies are designed for. He's pretty upfront about it. But uh,

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he never gets disclaimers at his videos. It goes, don't

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do any of this stuff five ways post flop in

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a one to two game. He never says that stuff,

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and so people I won't I don't want to say

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people are dumb. It's not that people are dumb. People

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just don't make the connection when they're watching the videos.

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It doesn't click with them that what he's doing is

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heads up three hundred big linds effective and that they're

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playing a game that's five ways to a flop where

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you know, twenty five percent of the people in the

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hand have a hundred big linds and nobody has more

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than no more or fifty big linds. Twenty people hand

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have fifty big minds. Most everybls has around one hundred

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big minds, and maybe one person has more than a

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hundred big linds. I mean, so the spots that're just way,

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way different. I know that I'm going on about this

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now for twenty minutes. It's something that I could have

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said in five minutes. And it's not that I meant

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to waste your time, but I wanted to be very

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clear on what the differences in the games are. And

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I also wanted to be overly generous to Mark Goon

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and Hungry Horse, because I know somebody's going to send

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him a link to this and go this idiot that

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could barely meet one two is bashing you. It's not

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what's happening at all. And as a matter of fact,

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I could be wrong. But if Mark Mark Goon is

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the person I think he is, and the poker player

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I believe he is, and the teacher that I believe

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he is, he would be the first to tell you

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that what I'm saying is correct. People for sure are

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misapplying his principles and spots that he isn't teaching. And

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for sure he's not teaching stuff for everybody. He's pretty

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clear about that in most of his videos on who

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they specialize in teaching. I think he would agree with me.

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I don't think he would be offended at all by this.

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So look, people that are misapplying the hungry Horse stuff,

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welcome to my one two game. Hunger Horse players that

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are crushers and can differentiate between games and how to

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play in different environments. I'd prefer you nut show up

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them on one two table because you're gonna make me

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eat worse. Sure you're great people, and with that we'll

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wrap it up. Look, if you want to learn how

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to crush one two, if you want to learn how

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to crush games that you play in, that's what I

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teach if you play one two or one three, where

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it's often multiway to a flop where people rarely have

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more than one hundred big blinds. People are super passive.

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They rarely ever three bet or four bet as a bluff.

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Then that's the games that I'm teaching. That's that's the

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games you're playing, and that's what I teach. And low

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limit cash games dot Com, I would invite you to

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come check it out. We got you can sign't and

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follow me for free for some free stuff. Obviously, if

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you just want to get strategy episodes every single Sunday,

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it's five bucks, man, it's five bucks. I don't even

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get that. I don't even get the five bucks. Patreon

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keeps way more of that than they should. And then

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if you want to move on up like the most

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popular tier I have where you just get access to

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all the content, it's twenty five dollars, man, twenty five

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dollars is one three bet at one two, I mean

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it's way less than that. Most raises in most one

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two games are at least ten dollars, maybe fifteen dollars.

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So if you're three betting them, if you three bet

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one time in a month, in a one to two game.

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My course costs you less than that. My Patreon costs

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you less than one three bet a month, and so

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if you can't afford that, you probably can't afford to

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be playing poker. I tried to make it cheap, man,

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I ain't out here trying to get rich, and like

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all these other people, this ain't my business. It's not

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a company. I'm not an empire. I'm not trying to,

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you know, make six figures and eight figures whatever the

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hell people are trying to make with coaching size. I've

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just I like doing it. My time is worth something,

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so I charge something. But it's just cheap. Welimit cashgames

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dot com, lowlimited cash games dot com. I'm gonna hire

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some jingle singers. We'll see you in the next one. Guy,