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Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 4: Greetings, Bilbo, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 3: Good? It's up Cliff.
Speaker 4: All sorts of stuff just up to my neck and
Speaker 4: various things, various Bigfoot related you know, distractions all distracted
Speaker 4: me from the other Bigfoot related things I need to
Speaker 4: get done. What about you.
Speaker 3: I just got back last night from going down seeing
Speaker 3: my mom and brothers and stuff, and yeah, just getting
Speaker 3: back in the swing of things.
Speaker 4: Nice swinging good. Well, we have a guest today. Should
Speaker 4: just hop on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't have anything new to that.
Speaker 4: All right, very good, very good. Our guest today has
Speaker 4: been Bigfoot in a long time. I don't know how long.
Speaker 4: I know very little about this guy. Right here, there's
Speaker 4: a really really nice cast out of Oklahoma that this
Speaker 4: guy pulled a number of years ago. I think it's
Speaker 4: absolutely fantastic. Matt Prouton, He's been a friend of yours
Speaker 4: for a long time.
Speaker 3: Is that corraged.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've known Joel for like fourteen years. We
Speaker 2: met he attended to be a FRORO expedition that I
Speaker 2: led in southeast Oklahoma in twenty eleven, and then we've
Speaker 2: been very close friends and field partners ever since. Like
Speaker 2: pretty much anytime I've been in that part of the country,
Speaker 2: I've been out in the field with Joel. So we've
Speaker 2: had a lot of experiences together out of the field
Speaker 2: over the years.
Speaker 4: Fantastic. This is Joel Thomas out of Oklahoma. Joel. Thanks
Speaker 4: so much for coming on the podcast with us.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Been looking forward to this talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for coming aboard. Matt Speaks Holady. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to getting some info out of some knowledge.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm going to be able to
Speaker 1: say anything that you don't already know, but we'll see.
Speaker 4: All right, You've been working a lot of different cases,
Speaker 4: and certainly you know them a lot better than any
Speaker 4: of us here would. So how long have you been
Speaker 4: doing this big foot thing?
Speaker 1: So I kind of got into it, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people, you know, just by watching Monster Quest and
Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries and anything that had a sasquatch related stuff
Speaker 1: on TV. But when I grew up in northern California
Speaker 1: and then moved to Oklahoma and around two thousand and
Speaker 1: then I found out that they're around here, which kind
Speaker 1: of blew my mind because I was always of the
Speaker 1: thought that it was a Pacific Northwest kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So funny enough watching Finding Bigfoot one night, you know,
Speaker 1: at the end it said, hey, sign up for these
Speaker 1: BFRO expeditions and stuff. So I got online and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my goodness. Told my wife I said
Speaker 1: there's one here in Oklahoma, and she's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: got to go to it. And she ended up getting
Speaker 1: me it for my birthday. And so that's kind of
Speaker 1: how it all started and how I got to meet
Speaker 1: Matt Bruit. You know, I guess I hit the lottery
Speaker 1: in that respect, because no other better expedition to go
Speaker 1: on than Matt Breud.
Speaker 3: So where'd you live in Norco?
Speaker 1: I was around Well, the specific town was called Loyalton.
Speaker 1: It's a little south of Trucky or a little north
Speaker 1: of Trucky, I'm sorry, And uh, kind of in the
Speaker 1: Tahoe area.
Speaker 3: So oh, so you're right, you're in prime squash hab
Speaker 3: attack grown.
Speaker 1: Uh didn't know that though.
Speaker 4: Uh so, tell us about that first expedition that you
Speaker 4: went on, like, what did anything actually happen? Did you
Speaker 4: hear or see anything? And tell us about that.
Speaker 1: Well, not, I wasn't in the group, but uh Matt
Speaker 1: had a group of folks with him that we believe
Speaker 1: was approached and maybe heard some vocalizations one night, maybe
Speaker 1: a whistle, and so it was. It wasn't a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but uh boy, it was so much fun. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: So if you didn't have the bug already, you certainly
Speaker 4: got it theresolutely.
Speaker 1: And uh so I knew immediately that I had to
Speaker 1: get some friends involved in this so I can get out,
Speaker 1: and uh that's exactly what I did. So Matt got
Speaker 1: me on taking reports for the BFRO, and uh that
Speaker 1: kind of put me on some areas and kind of
Speaker 1: going through some witnesses and you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: calling through and I ended up getting quite a few
Speaker 1: pretty good witnesses. And and there was a couple that
Speaker 1: were like within a quarter mile of each other and
Speaker 1: both had prints, one had a sighting, and so I
Speaker 1: immediately kind of feeling this might be a really good area.
Speaker 1: And so I ended up bringing some friends and kind
Speaker 1: of frequenting that area as much as I could, and
Speaker 1: we ended up started getting quite a bit of activity.
Speaker 3: Where was that at?
Speaker 1: The closest town is Tallaheena, Oklahoma, And so it's a
Speaker 1: little outside of Tallahena in the mountains.
Speaker 2: It's right there in the Washington it's close to Hannaby
Speaker 2: or Yeah.
Speaker 4: So how far of a drive is that for you?
Speaker 4: How long does it take you out there?
Speaker 1: It takes me a little over an hour.
Speaker 4: That's not bad at all.
Speaker 1: No, And we have some spots that are even closer
Speaker 1: that we've had some pretty good activity.
Speaker 4: This one particular spot that you mentioned here, was it
Speaker 4: one of the first BFRO areas you started looking into
Speaker 4: after you started taking reports.
Speaker 1: This is the first witness led area that we started
Speaker 1: to or I started to kind of really look into
Speaker 1: because they were the most credible witnesses that I had
Speaker 1: talked to. Of course, I had quite a few witnesses
Speaker 1: that wouldn't meet with me. You know, they wanted to
Speaker 1: tell me their story and they wanted to get that
Speaker 1: off their chest, but they really didn't want to pursue
Speaker 1: it any deeper than that. But this particular area had
Speaker 1: two different witnesses, Like I said, they had contacted me
Speaker 1: and they proved to be very, very valuable.
Speaker 4: Well, what was their story then? What would intrigue you
Speaker 4: in Because you know, if you're a BFR investigator, especially
Speaker 4: in a state like Oklahoma, Yeah, you kind of have
Speaker 4: your choice of various witnesses to choose from who you
Speaker 4: want to reach out to. What was it about one
Speaker 4: of their sightings or encounters or something going on, like
Speaker 4: basically tell us what was going on there that drew
Speaker 4: you to start wanting to look into this particular area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the first witness, his name was Josh. He
Speaker 1: had a little medical issue that he couldn't work real well.
Speaker 1: So every day when his daughter got home from school,
Speaker 1: they would go on a walk because he wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to be off by himself very much because he had
Speaker 1: seizures and stuff. And they'd go on a walk and
Speaker 1: they would walk down this, for lack of better term,
Speaker 1: a whole little old log road, and they would walk
Speaker 1: to this pond and it'd get him some exercise and
Speaker 1: they would spend some time together. And one particular day
Speaker 1: they went out there to this pond and he said
Speaker 1: when they got there, he immediately seen something go down
Speaker 1: on the other side of the pond, and his daughter
Speaker 1: just kept playing. She didn't notice it, and so he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think that was a bear. So he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to sit here and wait for it to
Speaker 1: come out, you know, because it didn't leave. It went
Speaker 1: down in these reads that were in the pond, and
Speaker 1: pretty soon, all of a sudden he noticed a rock
Speaker 1: comes thrown tossed into the water, which got his daughter's attention,
Speaker 1: and pretty soon another rock come out, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what in the heck, you know, he's thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: bears can't throw rocks. What's going on here? And about
Speaker 1: that time, it stood up and it ran over the
Speaker 1: pond dam and just went crashing through the woods. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, making all kinds of ruckus and noise, and
Speaker 1: so he sent in this report. Well, it was about
Speaker 1: two or three weeks before I can get over there
Speaker 1: to meet with him. By the time I got over
Speaker 1: there to meet with him, he's like, hey, I had
Speaker 1: another encounter. And I said, oh yeah, he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: same place, same thing. We were walking this day. We
Speaker 1: were a little later getting out there, so it was
Speaker 1: almost dusk and some started paralleling us walking in the
Speaker 1: woods next to us, and my daughter got scared, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it started throwing rocks at us.
Speaker 1: But he said, this time it wasn't like what was
Speaker 1: happening in the pond. It wasn't just tossing the rocks in.
Speaker 1: He said, these were zinging, you know. He said they'd
Speaker 1: throw them much harder, and so I immediately decided we needed
Speaker 1: to leave, and so we started walking back to the house,
Speaker 1: and it just followed them all the way to this
Speaker 1: one spot where there was a dump. And when it
Speaker 1: got to the dump, you know, it's just a place
Speaker 1: in the woods where folks would throw their garbage, you know,
Speaker 1: and or like their metal garbage and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: not so much food garbage. But once it got to
Speaker 1: that little clearing, it stopped and left them alone. So
Speaker 1: it basically escorted them ount and I was like wow.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is like all classic stuff here,
Speaker 1: and so we you know, I did that investigation, and
Speaker 1: literally three days later, another guy sent me in the
Speaker 1: report where he told me he was I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this might be really close to Josh. But he told
Speaker 1: me to come a whole different route. So I followed
Speaker 1: his route because I don't want to miss his house.
Speaker 1: And then I come up to his road. I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: I gotta keep going. I got to see how far
Speaker 1: Josh lives from here. And literally it is one turn,
Speaker 1: one turn on the black top and boom, there's Josh's house.
Speaker 1: So I went back and met with this fella, and
Speaker 1: he was a preacher and he would was building a
Speaker 1: gate to his place, and he noticed these footprints in
Speaker 1: the mud and they had about a six foot stride.
Speaker 1: Maybe I think that's what he told me. I have
Speaker 1: to look back at my notes, but and there was
Speaker 1: three of them come out of the woods, walked the
Speaker 1: road for three steps, and then went back in the woods.
Speaker 1: And I got a picture of his foot next to him,
Speaker 1: and he had sized twelve boots and you can tell
Speaker 1: it's it's quite a bit bigger. He's like, what could
Speaker 1: this be? You know? And I think someone told him.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's probably a sasquatch, and he's like, what,
Speaker 1: we don't have those things. And he had just moved
Speaker 1: here from another state. And so anyway, he decided to
Speaker 1: put in a report. And so when I met with
Speaker 1: him and was talking to him, I was like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I got another witness in this local area and I
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, do you know this stuffle the
Speaker 1: named Josh, And he's like, no, I don't know him.
Speaker 1: I haven't lived here very long. One of the things
Speaker 1: he told me when I came, he's like, hey, don't
Speaker 1: come with anything like bigfoot or bfro on your truck
Speaker 1: or anything. Because I got some neighbors that asked me
Speaker 1: not to turn in a report on this. He said
Speaker 1: that he sees it walking the roads every once in
Speaker 1: a while and he don't want people in here looking
Speaker 1: for it. Anyway. I asked him if he knew the
Speaker 1: other witness, and he had not, and so he literally
Speaker 1: lived just one road turn away from the other guy,
Speaker 1: and so that kind of put us on the on
Speaker 1: the area. And from there I started going out there
Speaker 1: bringing a new friend. I was like trying to find
Speaker 1: friends that I knew that they were into the bigfoot
Speaker 1: subject and stuff, and so I talked a few friends
Speaker 1: into going out with me. One night, a friend named
Speaker 1: Dave Anderson went with me, and I think the first
Speaker 1: night we went there, we didn't have anything. We went
Speaker 1: back again the next night and we started getting this
Speaker 1: low moan sound. I just thought it was a cow
Speaker 1: or something. And so the next day I called Josh
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, is there cows in there, because
Speaker 1: it's on the side of the mountain and he's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: there's no cows over here. I said, are you sure?
Speaker 1: I said, I go because where I heard a cow
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I promise you there's no cows
Speaker 1: in this area. He says the closest cows would be
Speaker 1: down in the valley. So a couple of weekends later,
Speaker 1: I bring another friend in the area. Dave couldn't go,
Speaker 1: so I bring a friend, John Sullivan, and we're sitting
Speaker 1: there in the dark and I said, hey, I just
Speaker 1: want you to listen, just listen for any kind of response,
Speaker 1: And I did a wood knock on a it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a drum kit wood wood thing, and so
Speaker 1: I did a wood knock and almost immediately we got
Speaker 1: a rock clack return. And I could tell John was
Speaker 1: hooked from the moment, and he literally was. So he
Speaker 1: was the first of us to get thermal and all
Speaker 1: kinds of equipment.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: He was found and determined we were going to figure
Speaker 1: this out. So yeah, I ended up getting quite a
Speaker 1: few friends into it from there, so.
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Speaker 4: How often would you make it out to the property
Speaker 4: or we were actually let me ask you, were you
Speaker 4: working that guy's property or just areas nearby? Or how
Speaker 4: did that work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we worked the property where Josh lived in
Speaker 1: a little bit of the surrounding properties, but we would
Speaker 1: get out that summer because of that happening, We probably
Speaker 1: were out there every weekend, maybe out of fifty two weekends,
Speaker 1: maybe forty six forty eight weekends. I mean, we really
Speaker 1: were out there because it was and we had an
Speaker 1: activity almost every one of those, not every one of them.
Speaker 1: Seemed like anytime we had a full moon it was
Speaker 1: kind of a dead night. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: we had either vocalizations or we started getting rock throws,
Speaker 1: we'd have a tree pushovers, all kinds of stuff happened there.
Speaker 1: There's a cabin in there. It got slapped a few times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can vouch for how hard they were
Speaker 2: hitting it because we were communicating all the time. I
Speaker 2: think by that point I had already moved from Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: but you know, Joel and I would talk all the time,
Speaker 2: and so I was getting regular updates about that property.
Speaker 2: In those situations, and those guys were hitting it hard.
Speaker 2: It'd be like, hey, who wants to stay up late tonight?
Speaker 2: And they'd run over there and stay out there all
Speaker 2: night and then come home in the morning and do whatever.
Speaker 2: But they were out there a lot, really diligently.
Speaker 3: When you got the cabin slapped, was did you guys, like,
Speaker 3: would it be like where someone's head was that they
Speaker 3: were land like, did it seemed like where they knew?
Speaker 1: Like did.
Speaker 3: It seemed like they that they knew where you were
Speaker 3: inside the cabin, like would hit where you were sleeping
Speaker 3: or sitting.
Speaker 1: We weren't in the cabin. We were probably two hundred
Speaker 1: yards from the cabin, sitting at this pond, and the
Speaker 1: cabin's up this road on top of this hill. And
Speaker 1: almost like clockwork, when we were there, they would there's
Speaker 1: a ravine there and we could almost hear them coming
Speaker 1: up out of the ravine. You know, we'd start hearing
Speaker 1: movement over there, and they would come up to the
Speaker 1: pond and kind of work from left to right around
Speaker 1: the pond, and I think that they would kind of
Speaker 1: observe us from that position. But that night it was
Speaker 1: me and Dave Anderson, and we heard something coming up
Speaker 1: out of the ravine, but then it went quiet for
Speaker 1: a long time, and then all of a sudden we
Speaker 1: hear we'd hear what sounded like something just walloped that
Speaker 1: wall of that cabin, and then we heard a take
Speaker 1: off run and going back down the ravine, and we
Speaker 1: could hear rock slides and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 1: where it was just scramble and back down them into
Speaker 1: the ravine.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about this cast a little bit because that
Speaker 4: property is that where your fantastic cast came from.
Speaker 1: Yes, so one night again bringing in a new friend.
Speaker 1: Bringing in a friend that night is so it is
Speaker 1: his first time ever going and I told him, I
Speaker 1: was like, it's pretty much downhill for here for you, buddy,
Speaker 1: unless you see one. So as we were walking in,
Speaker 1: we come across a great print on that road and
Speaker 1: we didn't cast it immediately. I just kind of left it,
Speaker 1: and I knew that I was going to come back
Speaker 1: early in the morning to cast it.
Speaker 4: So and I have to congratulate you because one of
Speaker 4: the one of the successes here with this particular footprint
Speaker 4: is first of all, it's excellent. I have not seen
Speaker 4: a better cast out of Oklahoma. It is really good there.
Speaker 4: But also in the middle of it, of interest, I
Speaker 4: think you're very very lucky to get it at all, frankly,
Speaker 4: and because it had to have been very fresh, because
Speaker 4: in the middle of the print there's a couple of
Speaker 4: things going on in it. In fact, when I'll get
Speaker 4: to that minute. But first of all, a scorpion walked
Speaker 4: across it as you watched it. Is that correct? As
Speaker 4: you're looking at the print in the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're we're all huddled around it. There's four
Speaker 1: or five of us there that night, and as we're
Speaker 1: looking at it, we observed a scorpion come walking across
Speaker 1: and walk right through it. And even in the in
Speaker 1: the in the cash you can see the trail that
Speaker 1: it left, you know, from its dragging its tail through there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now we'll go ahead and post set on a
Speaker 4: prootal post set, probably just for the members, I guess,
Speaker 4: another reason to be a member if you want to
Speaker 4: be a member of big Foot and Beyond. But on
Speaker 4: that cast, on the lower left hand side is a line.
Speaker 4: It looks from from our perspective looking at the picture
Speaker 4: it's on the lower left hand side of the heel,
Speaker 4: going diagonally up to the right, about almost to the
Speaker 4: ball of the foot, I guess. And there's a line
Speaker 4: in the middle with small little scraggly's going out on
Speaker 4: either side, and that is the trail at the scorpion
Speaker 4: left and underneath that are a couple of little round
Speaker 4: marks basically on the heel, which is where unfortunately, I'm
Speaker 4: like an OUCHI here Joel that you guys made a mistake.
Speaker 4: You touched the footprint before you cast it. But You're
Speaker 4: not alone in that. All sorts of people have done that,
Speaker 4: some of the greats. I mean, peterburn cast has finger
Speaker 4: marks all over it, Bob titmas stuff down in high
Speaker 4: and Palm has finger marks on it. That's one of
Speaker 4: the things that happens with footprints in the ground. But
Speaker 4: you told me at the time, and I remember working
Speaker 4: with you about this ten years ago or more, that
Speaker 4: you were curious how soft the soil was. Is that right?
Speaker 1: That's exactly I was like, Oh, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: to finally tell him. And so when we found this
Speaker 1: what I went back to cast it. So we were
Speaker 1: in kind of like a mini drought for around here.
Speaker 1: We usually get a lot of rain, and I think
Speaker 1: would have been like a couple months since we've got
Speaker 1: any rain. So the ground was super hard, and I
Speaker 1: tried to jump and with all my weight and I'm
Speaker 1: way two thirty five and to make a print with
Speaker 1: my boot not right next to it, but you know,
Speaker 1: just down from it, in the same substrate, and I
Speaker 1: could barely make a dent in the ground. And if
Speaker 1: you look at the the picture of the print before
Speaker 1: we cast it, you can see that the soil is
Speaker 1: all crust is all broken up around the edges of
Speaker 1: it and stuff, and so I was like, I wonder
Speaker 1: how long this has been here? And so actually the
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I touched it like right in the middle,
Speaker 1: and if you when the members see it, you'll see
Speaker 1: that scorpion line, and it's just above the scorpion line,
Speaker 1: so in the heel area. I think it's a dog
Speaker 1: print or something.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's gonna say it kind of looks
Speaker 4: like a cat print right here.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a dog because at that time,
Speaker 1: you know, I had tried putting some cane cameras out
Speaker 1: over there, and I think someone threw some hunting dogs
Speaker 1: out or some hunting dogs were lost and staying at
Speaker 1: that pond, and I kept getting those dogs on my
Speaker 1: game camera.
Speaker 3: Is there a big casts there?
Speaker 1: There's reports of them. I haven't seen any, but I
Speaker 1: know that there's pretty good sized bobcats in the area.
Speaker 3: But how big was the cast?
Speaker 1: I thought it was like fourteen, but I think Cliff
Speaker 1: didn't you major it at like twelve?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a little bit. I think it's a little
Speaker 4: bit longer than that. But you know, the picture I'm
Speaker 4: looking at, it has a scale item right behind it.
Speaker 4: It's this matter of counting the little squares, I guess.
Speaker 1: So interestingly enough, that night that we found the cast,
Speaker 1: we heard a dog get attacked down in the ravine
Speaker 1: and so and then there was only one dog around,
Speaker 1: you know, and so I don't know, I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a lot that happened that night, but that was
Speaker 1: one of the things.
Speaker 5: So a dog did get attacked, Like what did you hear? Oh,
Speaker 5: it just screamed and there was a squad scream or
Speaker 5: the dog the dog, you know, Yeah, it sounded pretty horrible.
Speaker 5: You could tell something got him.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: The track's about thirteen or fourteen inches long, depending on
Speaker 4: where you want to take the measurements from, so whatever
Speaker 4: that's worth there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I measured it fourteen or fourteen and a half
Speaker 1: I think, is what I wrote on the back. But
Speaker 1: you know, I know that the hill was messed up, so.
Speaker 3: Well there's two that you got a left or is
Speaker 3: it just like a reversed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one, right. We did find some disturbance, so that
Speaker 1: was like in the edge of this road and coming
Speaker 1: off of this hill we could see where maybe another
Speaker 1: track or something, or where it had stepped previous and
Speaker 1: then of course we looked for tracks on down. It
Speaker 1: was like going down into that ravine. That's the direction
Speaker 1: it was headed. We did look for other tracks along
Speaker 1: this trail, so it was going down into a trail.
Speaker 1: So that step was very you know, it was like
Speaker 1: it was headed into a trail.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll make sure all these pictures are available, because there's
Speaker 2: pictures of the track in the ground from a couple
Speaker 2: of angles. There's a great picture of when you first
Speaker 2: discovered the track, and so it's illuminated at night with
Speaker 2: a red headlamp. And then pictures of the cast after
Speaker 2: Joel pulled it in. Pictures of the cast as measured
Speaker 2: by Cliff. Now, wasn't it the case, like you couldn't
Speaker 2: find plaster and you had to find a different material.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you remember, I called you like first
Speaker 1: thing in the morning, hoping that I didn't wake you up,
Speaker 1: because we stayed out that night till about three or
Speaker 1: three thirty four, and I just went home, got a
Speaker 1: couple of hours sleep, and I think I was up
Speaker 1: around six. I was just so jazzed up to get
Speaker 1: back out there and cast this before it got ruined.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know how to cast. You know,
Speaker 1: I had never even practiced. I haven't done any of that,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, I remember getting on the
Speaker 1: PFRO website because I remember I had seen something on
Speaker 1: there about how to cast, and so I kind of
Speaker 1: read that and I was like, I gotta called Matt.
Speaker 1: Matt will know what to do. And so I think
Speaker 1: you just told me. He's like, yeah, you just got
Speaker 1: to get whatever you get. And so I went to
Speaker 1: a local hardware store and all I could find that
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't want like regular quick creek
Speaker 1: because it has pebbles and stuff in it, so I
Speaker 1: bought some. It's like an anchoring concrete. It's just super
Speaker 1: fine concrete and so but it was like, had no
Speaker 1: gravel and stuff in it. And anyway, it's just by
Speaker 1: sheer luck that it turned out the way it did,
Speaker 1: because I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks fantastic. Just whatever that's worth.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, And of course Matt put
Speaker 1: me in touch with you, which then I mailed that
Speaker 1: to you, and you, I think, made some copies of
Speaker 1: it and gave me some copies which I ended up
Speaker 1: giving to I gave one to the witness that kind
Speaker 1: of put us on the area. And then I gave
Speaker 1: another one to my friend John, who he pretty much
Speaker 1: went out with me almost every weekend, so he was,
Speaker 1: you know, a very dedicated guy.
Speaker 4: So well, the latex mold is still in good conditions.
Speaker 4: So if you ever want another copy, let me know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I may it may take you up on
Speaker 1: that and just buy some.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to go back to my memory because I
Speaker 2: do remember other things happened that night, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: the audience would would love to hear about that, because
Speaker 2: I don't even remember all the details of the stuff
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 1: So that night was probably by far my greatest encounter
Speaker 1: and I ever. And so not only did we find
Speaker 1: the print, but as we went in, we split up.
Speaker 1: Like I said, there was five of us, so we
Speaker 1: split up into two groups. We had radios and kind
Speaker 1: of sat on different ends of the pond, and I
Speaker 1: was sitting on the pond dam with a couple other
Speaker 1: fellows and so we sat there for a long time
Speaker 1: and nothing happened. We did hear that dog get attacked,
Speaker 1: and then I decided I needed to get up and
Speaker 1: stretch my legs and so I did, and then Josh
Speaker 1: he was like, ah, I need to stand up too. Well, Josh,
Speaker 1: I was standing right next or sitting next to a
Speaker 1: big old cedar tree. When Josh stood up, he was
Speaker 1: kind of out in the open, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: something just literally feet away, six feet away at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the pondam just got up and ran away
Speaker 1: on two feet and so went trucking back to that ravine.
Speaker 1: You know, the ravine was safety.
Speaker 4: So six feet away from you or your friend.
Speaker 1: From both of us. So we were just sitting next
Speaker 1: to each other. But it didn't see me stand up
Speaker 1: because of that cedar tree. But Josh stood up. There
Speaker 1: was three of us there, and then Josh stood up,
Speaker 1: and it freaked it out and it bolted off down
Speaker 1: into that ravine.
Speaker 4: What do you think it was doing.
Speaker 1: I think it was sneaking up on us. Be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I don't know. I mean, I have a
Speaker 1: you know, I can't prove this by no means. I
Speaker 1: think it was a juvenile that we were dealing with there.
Speaker 1: Josh had seen it in a tree once and so
Speaker 1: he said it was about five six foot tall. What
Speaker 1: made the print may not have been him because he
Speaker 1: would also tell us about you know, he would hear others. Well,
Speaker 1: he actually had a bluff charge at one time, which
Speaker 1: I didn't believe him to be honest with you. But
Speaker 1: the more I was there and the more things that happened,
Speaker 1: I started to leave him. I just thought there's no
Speaker 1: way that all this could be happening, you know. And
Speaker 1: so so there was a bigger one in the area.
Speaker 1: But I do think that we were dealing with a juvenile.
Speaker 1: And what makes me think that, Well, he's seen it
Speaker 1: in the tree and the size, he said. But I've
Speaker 1: always just felt like it had to be like a
Speaker 1: juvenile that was more curious than others. You know. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it made me think of like two other stories. You know.
Speaker 2: There's the story from Area X where he had gotten
Speaker 2: right behind out behind his tent and you remember, like
Speaker 2: the view was obscured, and so he kept saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm hearing something back here, and they were like, we
Speaker 2: don't see anything behind your tent with the thermal. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's a raccoon or a possum or armadillo. And then
Speaker 2: it stood up and they saw it. And then there
Speaker 2: was an expedition that I did in twenty eleven in
Speaker 2: Georgia where we had a little bit of action in
Speaker 2: this one draw and for a couple of nights, and
Speaker 2: so one of the final nights, I'd put a group there.
Speaker 2: It was mostly women and two guys and they just
Speaker 2: brought camp chairs and sat and I just told them like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let the women talk and sing and make a lot
Speaker 2: of noise, and so they did that for we were
Speaker 2: probably out there for like three hours, and they didn't
Speaker 2: have any optics, so no thermals or night vision, but
Speaker 2: they were just sat there in the dark and let
Speaker 2: the girls talk and sing. And after hours it was
Speaker 2: like nothing was going on, and they said, all right, well,
Speaker 2: I guess it's time to go back to camp. And
Speaker 2: they all kind of stood up at once. And my
Speaker 2: friend Kevin Zork, who's he was the fire chief in
Speaker 2: Nag's Head, North Carolina on the Outer Banks, he was
Speaker 2: there in that group, and he said, the brush next
Speaker 2: to them, same thing like six ten feet away, exploded
Speaker 2: and this big, huge thing took off running up the
Speaker 2: draw and they it terrified them because they were like,
Speaker 2: how did that thing get so close to us? And
Speaker 2: we had no clue it was here, but it was
Speaker 2: the same reaction when everyone stood up, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: time to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly. I mean, we never heard it at all.
Speaker 1: So was it already there when we got there and
Speaker 1: it just hunkered down? Or did it sneak in on us?
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, but I just that's exactly what
Speaker 1: it is, just like stood up and exploded and took
Speaker 1: off running down to this ravine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bobo and I had something like that happened to
Speaker 4: both of us at the water spot that one night.
Speaker 4: You remember that, Bobo? Oh yeah, yeah, something was sneaking
Speaker 4: up from the ravine to us, and Bobo heard it
Speaker 4: come in and included me in on it. And then
Speaker 4: as we we didn't stand up, but I sat up
Speaker 4: because we're just lying on the road. I sat up,
Speaker 4: and when it did, it started making a huffing, puffing
Speaker 4: sort of noise like that, and then stomping its way
Speaker 4: down into the ravine. I wonder what that is, you know,
Speaker 4: trying to sneak up on us like that.
Speaker 3: They don't like it when when you call them out
Speaker 3: when they're trying to be sneaky. Who does.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and bogo,
Speaker 4: we'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: That wasn't all that happened that night either, And so
Speaker 1: once it ran away, we sat there for a good
Speaker 1: little bit and then we started getting Ohio house from
Speaker 1: that ravine. We got I think two of them, and
Speaker 1: I think they were maybe two or three in a series,
Speaker 1: you know, like a whoa, whoa. So in that one night,
Speaker 1: we just had so many awesome things happened, you know.
Speaker 1: It was didn't sleep that two hours that I went
Speaker 1: home and went to bed.
Speaker 4: Does that property where you got the track from, does
Speaker 4: it still have activity or is it kind of died
Speaker 4: away or have you just as your attention been brought
Speaker 4: somewhere else, whatever happened with that property, because that was
Speaker 4: what that was in twenty twelve, I.
Speaker 1: Think yeah, it did eventually d wind out and we
Speaker 1: got less and less and pretty much we stopped going there.
Speaker 1: We have went back somewhat recently and thought we had
Speaker 1: and may have had a encounter and it was very interesting,
Speaker 1: but we were unable to verify what we see. To
Speaker 1: put it plainly, we thought, number one, we thought there
Speaker 1: was someone at the cabin, so we walked up there
Speaker 1: to see if there was anyone in the area, and
Speaker 1: we were going to leave and we get up to
Speaker 1: the top of the hill and my friend looking through
Speaker 1: a thermal and he's like, oh, stop, I think there's
Speaker 1: someone there looking at us. I was unable to get
Speaker 1: up high enough on this road to see what he
Speaker 1: was looking at, and so we backed away and we left,
Speaker 1: and as we were leaving, he's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't remember seeing any clothes. I don't remember seeing any
Speaker 1: facial features. He says, it was just a big uniform
Speaker 1: hot spot anyway, So we bounced it around and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, why did you not see? We have
Speaker 1: really good thermals. We have a they're like the sixty
Speaker 1: series and stuff, so that you know, they got really good.
Speaker 1: I mean you could see hair on some mammals with them.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you.
Speaker 1: Didn't see any facial features. He's like, I didn't see
Speaker 1: any facial features or any folds in the in the clothes.
Speaker 1: So I was like, could you have seen the back
Speaker 1: of a sasquatch maybe watching the cabin? And that's when
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, my gosh, maybe that's what we see.
Speaker 1: Maybe we snuck in there and it was watching the
Speaker 1: cabin because there was someone at the cabin and we
Speaker 1: snuck up on it. We have went back and tried
Speaker 1: to recreate it, and unfortunately we haven't been able to
Speaker 1: determine whether or not what we've seen was a guy
Speaker 1: or it was a saasquar. So we just have to
Speaker 1: leave it asnown.
Speaker 4: Sounds like you need to keep on working that spot.
Speaker 1: Man, Oh we're gonna walk. We have started working a
Speaker 1: little bit of the surrounding areas a little more since
Speaker 1: in that ravine that they were always come out of
Speaker 1: as a couple of artesian wells, you know, they were
Speaker 1: just so that year that we had all that drought,
Speaker 1: there was two very large, six foot diameter, nice cold
Speaker 1: water in the middle of the summer natural wells in
Speaker 1: that in that ravine, So I'm pretty sure that's what
Speaker 1: was keeping them there of it. Now the water's so
Speaker 1: readily available all around, so I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: what made them move on or what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point to bring up, is
Speaker 2: you know, in these places where there's so much activity
Speaker 2: that seems to be concentrated, Like the first time that
Speaker 2: I went down to Scout where I held the expedition
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, Joel met me there to scout with me,
Speaker 2: and that was, you know, the year prior to Joel
Speaker 2: casting that track. But there was a big drought. It
Speaker 2: was very hot, the creeks were almost like bone dry,
Speaker 2: and then you know some of the rivers were pretty
Speaker 2: darn low, and then we were near a lake. But man,
Speaker 2: you know, we saw bobcats in the daylight, you know,
Speaker 2: two days in a row. Basically, because anywhere that there
Speaker 2: was water, when you walked up on it, you were
Speaker 2: going to see animals. I mean every puddle you could
Speaker 2: toss a rock and a puddle and six cotton mouse
Speaker 2: would come out of that puddle. It was crazy like
Speaker 2: because it was so little water. And so I absolutely
Speaker 2: think Joel's spot on with that that like during those
Speaker 2: Southeast Oklahoma it's brutally hot, and then you get in
Speaker 2: those drought conditions and like if you find cold, fresh
Speaker 2: running water, like you got to stick very very close
Speaker 2: to it because it might be a long distance before
Speaker 2: you find another substantial source of it.
Speaker 4: Now, was that just a typical of that area or
Speaker 4: is that specifically that year because you mentioned the drought.
Speaker 1: It was basically that year because I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: that scenario to play out again since, and it hasn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because other year.
Speaker 2: I mean there's times Joel and I've been an Area
Speaker 2: ACTS and just sit in a torrential downpour for a.
Speaker 1: Day, two days or five.
Speaker 2: You show up to a bone dry camp and then
Speaker 2: within hours like there's you know, foot and a half
Speaker 2: deep water all through camp except for the little high
Speaker 2: point that the cabin's on. So it does when it's
Speaker 2: a regular year or a rainy year, it rains a
Speaker 2: lot in southeast Oklahoma. But yeah, those drought conditions those years,
Speaker 2: and you remember the last one of the last years
Speaker 2: that you and I were in Area X, it was
Speaker 2: really hot, the heat index and the drought was such
Speaker 2: that I don't know if it was technically a drought,
Speaker 2: but it was definitely a dry season and extremely hot,
Speaker 2: and like midsummer it looked like autumn because the heat
Speaker 2: stress was killing the leaves on all the trees. So
Speaker 2: you're down there in the summertime and everything's like auburn
Speaker 2: and gold and red is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And and you know, even the the rivers
Speaker 1: in that time were also very down, and there would
Speaker 1: be stretches of no water and there'd just be big puddles,
Speaker 1: you know, or big pools now.
Speaker 2: Were there are other things that happened, Like I'm trying
Speaker 2: to remember the chronology of you know, after the track
Speaker 2: was cast and you know, I know it did decline,
Speaker 2: but were there other things that happened on the way
Speaker 2: to it being sort of just totally quiet there?
Speaker 1: Well, I did have a I don't want to call
Speaker 1: it a sighting. I seen something on the pond dam
Speaker 1: in the lightning strike. And it wasn't like we were
Speaker 1: having big lightning, but you know, the atmospheric lightning, and
Speaker 1: I seen two dark figures on the pond dam. And
Speaker 1: then a few moments later we get another atmospheric type
Speaker 1: of lightning where it just lights up the whole place.
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's daylight, you know, and the dark
Speaker 1: figures are gone. And that that particular night, we did
Speaker 1: have other things that followed that that made me believe
Speaker 1: that what I seen was of the Sasquatch. You know,
Speaker 1: everything got quiet again, and we decided, hey, let's walk
Speaker 1: up to the cabin. So we walked up this road
Speaker 1: and we got just a little ways up the road
Speaker 1: and we had a rock fly just a few feet
Speaker 1: over our head and strike a tree in front of us.
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever through it. It is like it through
Speaker 1: it with some velocity because we could hear the rock
Speaker 1: go by us. You know, we didn't find the rock,
Speaker 1: but we did look for it. But when it hit
Speaker 1: that tree, I would say it is as big as
Speaker 1: a probably a softball. That's the only time I've been
Speaker 1: at that area where I thought, I think we might
Speaker 1: need to get out of here, and that the bad
Speaker 1: thing was is whatever through that. We had to walk
Speaker 1: back by it because we had walked past it and
Speaker 1: it threw it over our heads from our back to
Speaker 1: our front. And so that's the only time I've left
Speaker 1: that area with lights on.
Speaker 4: So this this area, it's probably safe to say that
Speaker 4: this was one of those long term witness situations where
Speaker 4: the thing was hanging around, and there was probably indications
Speaker 4: that it was hanging around, and maybe your presence as
Speaker 4: an investigator kind of solidified that for the witness, for
Speaker 4: the person living there. After speaking to the witness and
Speaker 4: after your experiences on this property, what are some of
Speaker 4: the other behaviors that are probably but not for sure,
Speaker 4: but or maybe for sure are probably attributed to the
Speaker 4: sasquatches being there and examples. Okay, tree knocks and vocalizations,
Speaker 4: those are obvious ones. But what are some of the
Speaker 4: perhaps less obvious signs that these people or you either
Speaker 4: observed or heard about while there.
Speaker 1: Tree pushovers? We had quite a few trees get pushed
Speaker 1: over and limb breaks and snaps. Sometimes they would sneak
Speaker 1: up on us and not want to be heard, you know.
Speaker 1: And one night was really interesting. We could hear them
Speaker 1: kind of soft loop back and forth to each other.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd hear a little whoop from over here,
Speaker 1: and then a few seconds later you could hear another
Speaker 1: one from another little area, and that was pretty neat.
Speaker 1: But and then there was other nights where they wanted
Speaker 1: to know that, you know, that they were there, and
Speaker 1: they were snapping limbs off and just making a ruckus
Speaker 1: as they come up out of the ravine.
Speaker 4: So did you ever find signs of these broken trees?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: What did they look like?
Speaker 1: I got a good picture of one and it's it's
Speaker 1: a good sixteen seventeen feet off the ground, I think
Speaker 1: is what we measured. It's about the size of a
Speaker 1: Louisville slugg or bat in circumference at the end, you know,
Speaker 1: just snapped right off the pine tree limb. We found
Speaker 1: a few that were kind of the break twist, you know,
Speaker 1: the classic got the classic twist to it. But never
Speaker 1: was they wile to really find any of the trees
Speaker 1: pushed over it. We'd hear them and then we'd come
Speaker 1: back and look for the trees and we couldn't find
Speaker 1: the trees. We'd come across trees that were down, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's the forest. There's trees. Yeah, there's trees everywhere.
Speaker 4: Did the property owners live on the property.
Speaker 1: They lived really close to the property. They lived by
Speaker 1: the black Top. We would walk in, we'd park at
Speaker 1: his house and we'd walk in probably half a mile
Speaker 1: from his place. You know.
Speaker 4: Okay, so they just owned a bunch of property and
Speaker 4: that their home was next to the road for convenience.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Anything happened at their house. Things get moved around, or
Speaker 4: their house gets slapped from the outside or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Nope, he never had that. He said that they're On
Speaker 1: multiple occasions he'd be outside grilling or something in the
Speaker 1: evening and he said it sounded like someone was building
Speaker 1: a house out in the woods. You know, the wood knocks.
Speaker 1: He always talked about like every once in a while
Speaker 1: he thought a mail was in the area, and he
Speaker 1: said the woods would change, you know, he said things
Speaker 1: always seemed a little more tense around there, talking about
Speaker 1: like the wood knox would be louder and the vocalizations
Speaker 1: would be louder.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't see deer or with the deer coming into
Speaker 3: the yard and like hide out.
Speaker 1: Yeah there was deer around, but uh, he'd never mentioned
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 3: So was there What about seasonality? How that how that
Speaker 3: plan the things?
Speaker 1: That was pretty much year round we were having stuff
Speaker 1: And like I said, the only time that we really
Speaker 1: go in there and not have anything would be a
Speaker 1: full moon night. And uh, you know how them full
Speaker 1: moon nights are is just the visibility so well, And
Speaker 1: I was equated it they could see us, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't need to approach us to see us or something.
Speaker 4: You've been big footing now for over a decade. So
Speaker 4: have you had the opportunity to investigate other long term
Speaker 4: witness properties And I know you were in in you know,
Speaker 4: they need w a C with every X and stuff.
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm talking about, and I'm talking about
Speaker 4: other places that is kind of similar to this, this
Speaker 4: initial property that you were working.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, no, I have not been able to find another
Speaker 1: spot like that. I mean, we have some other areas
Speaker 1: that we we hit and we'd have a little bit
Speaker 1: of activity or we'd have a long distant howl or
Speaker 1: something from there. And we've had a few places where
Speaker 1: we had rock throws and stuff like that, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it like you know, it's very hit or
Speaker 1: miss whether we get activity there. And we've kind of
Speaker 1: been in a drought for a while. We haven't had
Speaker 1: much activity in quite quite some time, maybe a year
Speaker 1: or two.
Speaker 4: A big Foot trout, not a water drought then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, big fit drought. And we have here recently
Speaker 1: had a place where we've started to get wood knocks again.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe the future is starting to turn back up.
Speaker 4: So hopefully stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 4: Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: So you've had some general success and I know that
Speaker 4: we're coming around the end of the hour here. What
Speaker 4: sort of advice now that you've been doing it for
Speaker 4: a while, what kind of advice would you give to
Speaker 4: people who are interested in doing the bigfoot thing, either someone,
Speaker 4: because you know, you can give advice to newbies or
Speaker 4: oldies or anybody in between. What do you think you
Speaker 4: have learned?
Speaker 1: Well, I've learned. I've made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 4: That's how you learned too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many things I wish I'd have done differently,
Speaker 1: But I would say some of the advice, like you guys,
Speaker 1: give find an area and continue to go to it,
Speaker 1: because I think we went to that spot a good
Speaker 1: for four or so times before we really started having anything.
Speaker 1: But just continue to put yourself in a good place.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I know a ton of hunters that have been hunting
Speaker 1: and they don't think this thing exists, And I always
Speaker 1: tell them, well, you're not in the right place. So
Speaker 1: if you find a good place, that's that's gonna up
Speaker 1: your chances immensely. Well.
Speaker 2: I think you also did a great thing by like
Speaker 2: putting together a group of other outdoors folks, you know,
Speaker 2: people like who were like minded but also just loved
Speaker 2: being outside and exposing them to activity.
Speaker 1: Because man like.
Speaker 2: I was always just so like wishing I could be there, envious, like,
Speaker 2: oh man, I wish I could be a part of
Speaker 2: that because you guys were and continue to be. You
Speaker 2: and John especially like out so often for all these years.
Speaker 2: And that's a really special thing because like when I
Speaker 2: think about all my favorite squatching people like you, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'd love to be in the field with Joel, but
Speaker 2: he's eight and a half hours away, or you know,
Speaker 2: Cliff in Bobo across the country. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: having a group of people that you trust and you
Speaker 2: get along and you don't argue or fight.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. And I'll tell you maybe another bit of
Speaker 1: advice to just have fun with it, because there's been
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you how many nice we had absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing and it's the majority of them. But I always
Speaker 1: come home feeling like I had a great time because
Speaker 1: I was in the woods with some good friends and
Speaker 1: we always have good conversations. You know. Of course when
Speaker 1: we're hoping that we have activity, everything's nice and but
Speaker 1: you know, eventually you start talking and and uh, it's
Speaker 1: just I've never had a bad night in the woods
Speaker 1: with my friends.
Speaker 3: So that's what I asked real quick, Joel, what's the
Speaker 3: what's the craziest story you heard from a witness that
Speaker 3: you found like just like kind of blew you away,
Speaker 3: But you found credible.
Speaker 1: Oh that I found credible, because I've heard some newsies
Speaker 1: that I don't think incredible.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to hear one of those next.
Speaker 1: Then, So I was at a big Foot conference and
Speaker 1: still well, helping a friend out selling some T shirts,
Speaker 1: and a lady come up and we got to talking
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, I'm from Southeast Oklahoma too, And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah. I said, have you ever
Speaker 1: had any encounters or anything? And she's like, she says, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never told this story to anyone. I only recently
Speaker 1: told it to my husband. I said, well, you're in
Speaker 1: probably the safest place to ever share a story if
Speaker 1: you would like to retell it. And she's like, when
Speaker 1: I was a young girl on the Black Fork, we
Speaker 1: had a birthday party, and so we had like four
Speaker 1: or five little girls come and stayed with them, and
Speaker 1: they all stayed in the camper, you know, the camping
Speaker 1: trailer out there, so that they wouldn't you know, they
Speaker 1: could stay up as late as they wanted and they
Speaker 1: wouldn't annoy the parents and stuff, and so so they're
Speaker 1: staying out in this camper and it got to be
Speaker 1: very late and the girl that you know, the birthday girl,
Speaker 1: the girl that was telling me the story, decided that
Speaker 1: she was super tired and they were winding down any
Speaker 1: so she decided that she was going to go in
Speaker 1: and sleep on the couch and let the girls just play.
Speaker 1: And she opened the door of the camper and was
Speaker 1: on our way out and something grabbed her arm and
Speaker 1: it had all black fingers said, it looked like almost
Speaker 1: a sleeve of hair. The hair came to an end
Speaker 1: at the hand, you know, almost like it was a cuff.
Speaker 1: But she said, the hand was all black, the nails
Speaker 1: were black, and you know, of course, it shocked her
Speaker 1: and scared her, and she screamed and slammed the door back,
Speaker 1: and when she screamed, it let go over her and
Speaker 1: she closed the camper door and locked it. And all
Speaker 1: the other girls heard her scream and they looked and
Speaker 1: they seem just like a glimpse of what had happened.
Speaker 1: And so now you got like five little girls. They're
Speaker 1: just scared to death. And this is pre cell phone days,
Speaker 1: so they had no way to communicate with the adults
Speaker 1: in the house of what had happened. So they all
Speaker 1: got up into the top little bunk of this little
Speaker 1: camper and huddled there and they were scared, and this
Speaker 1: thing started beating the side of the camper and rocking
Speaker 1: the camper. It was trying to get in there. And
Speaker 1: she said this went on for so long that these
Speaker 1: little girls exhausted themselves and passed basically fell asleep. Eventually
Speaker 1: it ended they fell asleep. The daylight comes and they're
Speaker 1: scared to go outside, you know, and because they don't
Speaker 1: know if it's still out there. And she said her
Speaker 1: dad came out to the camper and he was cussing
Speaker 1: and going on, and she could tell he was very upset,
Speaker 1: and so she opened the door and he's like, how
Speaker 1: the heck could this thing get out here? And so
Speaker 1: the camper was actually moved like thirty feet out into
Speaker 1: a field, was all beat up, dense all on the
Speaker 1: side of it. And so she retailed what happened, and
Speaker 1: she said that no one would believe her except for
Speaker 1: her grandpa. Her grandpa used to always tell him like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can play here, and you can play in the field,
Speaker 1: but don't go up.
Speaker 4: On that hill.
Speaker 1: And so she always figured that after that, that's why
Speaker 1: we weren't supposed to go up on that hill.
Speaker 3: That is crazy. It just grabbed your arm and she
Speaker 3: screaming to let go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she thinks it scared it. And at the same time,
Speaker 1: the door hitting its arm, you know, kind of shocked
Speaker 1: it and let go enough that she was able to
Speaker 1: get the camper door closed. And she said it was
Speaker 1: a type of camper lock that had the button, you know,
Speaker 1: and so she pushed the button down same time locking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't see any problem with that. No. Now, as
Speaker 4: a closer, I guess for the regular episode, tell us
Speaker 4: the most ridiculous story that you absolutely don't believe that
Speaker 4: you've heard.
Speaker 3: I love these or you may or may not believe it.
Speaker 3: Just wild.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't believe this one bit. So so I
Speaker 1: was told that this villa was trying to kick a addiction,
Speaker 1: and so he went out to his family's cabin which
Speaker 1: was out in the woods and was going to live
Speaker 1: there for a little while to just kind of break
Speaker 1: this habit. So he would go for long walks through
Speaker 1: the woods on this trail that was kind of looped
Speaker 1: around on the property, and it would come back to
Speaker 1: the cabin and he would smoke cigarettes, you know, and
Speaker 1: he would walk around and eat smoke cigarettes, and he
Speaker 1: would eat Snickers a little like a fun sized Snicker bars.
Speaker 4: You know, I've had I've had Snickers. They're all fund sized.
Speaker 1: Yes, some some more fun than others. And so he
Speaker 1: started seeing glimpses of what he thought were a bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and so he would leave a cigarette on a stump
Speaker 1: and a lit cigarette by the way, and a fun
Speaker 1: sized Snickers, and then he would leave and he would
Speaker 1: come back and the cigarette would still be there. He
Speaker 1: said he'd left the cigarette because of the smell, and
Speaker 1: the snickers would be gone. And then one day he
Speaker 1: was out there walking and he didn't have any more snickers,
Speaker 1: you know, and so all he had was of a
Speaker 1: large Snickers, like a full size Snickers bar.
Speaker 6: A funner size, yeah, the funter size. And so he
Speaker 6: was walking on the trail and this little one started
Speaker 6: following him, and he was like, oh man, I don't
Speaker 6: have any snickers to leave him, and so he stopped
Speaker 6: and sat, and then all of a sudden, this female
Speaker 6: comes out and is like following the little one which
Speaker 6: was following him, and.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh my gosh, what am I going
Speaker 1: to do? And so he said he pulled out that
Speaker 1: large one put it out towards it, and he said here,
Speaker 1: and it kept coming closer, kept coming closer, and finally
Speaker 1: grabbed the snickers and then ran away. But then it
Speaker 1: turned and it came back, and it put its hands
Speaker 1: out like to give him knuckles, and so he gave
Speaker 1: him knuckles, and then it turned and walked away back
Speaker 1: to the female. And as it got down to the
Speaker 1: bottom of the draw with the female, he noticed a
Speaker 1: large male at the top of the hill come out,
Speaker 1: and they walked up and got met up with the
Speaker 1: big one, and they went over the hill and he
Speaker 1: never seen them again.
Speaker 4: I believe it like a fist bump.
Speaker 2: In other words, Yeah, squat for a snickers, bubos into it,
Speaker 2: Bobo would give him the belly bump.
Speaker 4: Well all right, well, thank you for that so much.
Speaker 4: Actually from the right source. I wouldn't have too much
Speaker 4: of a problem with that one. I would make me wonder.
Speaker 4: But right, I've heard crazier. That's for sure.
Speaker 1: You changed my mind. I believe it.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm not saying, believe the guy. Trust me.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: Well, you know we had a lot of you have
Speaker 4: a lot more experiences that we want to talk about.
Speaker 4: When you're in the n AWAC down at Area X,
Speaker 4: and some stuff that happened down there. So why don't
Speaker 4: we stick around here for the memo. We'll all stick
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Speaker 1: I loved it. Appreciate it, guys.
Speaker 3: Thank you Joel. We appreciate it very much. All right, folks,
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