WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.279 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bulbo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.119 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.199 It five star and me. 4 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:20.960 Just on us today and listening. 5 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:24.039 Watching Limb always. 6 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:24.879 Keep its watching. 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay. 8 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:32.560 Greetings, Bilbo, how you doing? Man? 9 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:33.960 Good? It's up Cliff. 10 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:36.719 All sorts of stuff just up to my neck and 11 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:41.560 various things, various Bigfoot related you know, distractions all distracted 12 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.520 me from the other Bigfoot related things I need to 13 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:44.920 get done. What about you. 14 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.840 I just got back last night from going down seeing 15 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:51.960 my mom and brothers and stuff, and yeah, just getting 16 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:53.039 back in the swing of things. 17 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.200 Nice swinging good. Well, we have a guest today. Should 18 00:00:57.240 --> 00:00:57.799 just hop on that. 19 00:00:58.520 --> 00:00:59.799 Yeah, yeah, I don't have anything new to that. 20 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.479 All right, very good, very good. Our guest today has 21 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:05.719 been Bigfoot in a long time. I don't know how long. 22 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:08.480 I know very little about this guy. Right here, there's 23 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.359 a really really nice cast out of Oklahoma that this 24 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.599 guy pulled a number of years ago. I think it's 25 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.280 absolutely fantastic. Matt Prouton, He's been a friend of yours 26 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:18.799 for a long time. 27 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:19.400 Is that corraged. 28 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:21.879 Oh yeah, I've known Joel for like fourteen years. We 29 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:23.959 met he attended to be a FRORO expedition that I 30 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:28.079 led in southeast Oklahoma in twenty eleven, and then we've 31 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:30.599 been very close friends and field partners ever since. Like 32 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:33.280 pretty much anytime I've been in that part of the country, 33 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:35.159 I've been out in the field with Joel. So we've 34 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.519 had a lot of experiences together out of the field 35 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:38.640 over the years. 36 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.319 Fantastic. This is Joel Thomas out of Oklahoma. Joel. Thanks 37 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.840 so much for coming on the podcast with us. 38 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.200 Thanks for having me. Been looking forward to this talk. 39 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.920 Yeah, thanks for coming aboard. Matt Speaks Holady. So I'm 40 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.879 looking forward to getting some info out of some knowledge. 41 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:56.000 Oh. 42 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.560 I don't think that I'm going to be able to 43 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.159 say anything that you don't already know, but we'll see. 44 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:03.959 All right, You've been working a lot of different cases, 45 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.040 and certainly you know them a lot better than any 46 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.960 of us here would. So how long have you been 47 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:09.879 doing this big foot thing? 48 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.360 So I kind of got into it, like a lot 49 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:15.919 of people, you know, just by watching Monster Quest and 50 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.840 Unsolved Mysteries and anything that had a sasquatch related stuff 51 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:24.759 on TV. But when I grew up in northern California 52 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.439 and then moved to Oklahoma and around two thousand and 53 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.280 then I found out that they're around here, which kind 54 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:33.159 of blew my mind because I was always of the 55 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.479 thought that it was a Pacific Northwest kind of thing. 56 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:41.039 So funny enough watching Finding Bigfoot one night, you know, 57 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.840 at the end it said, hey, sign up for these 58 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.520 BFRO expeditions and stuff. So I got online and I 59 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:50.000 was like, oh, my goodness. Told my wife I said 60 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.840 there's one here in Oklahoma, and she's like, oh, you 61 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.599 got to go to it. And she ended up getting 62 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.000 me it for my birthday. And so that's kind of 63 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.680 how it all started and how I got to meet 64 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.080 Matt Bruit. You know, I guess I hit the lottery 65 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.759 in that respect, because no other better expedition to go 66 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:10.680 on than Matt Breud. 67 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:12.800 So where'd you live in Norco? 68 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.240 I was around Well, the specific town was called Loyalton. 69 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:19.879 It's a little south of Trucky or a little north 70 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.360 of Trucky, I'm sorry, And uh, kind of in the 71 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:23.159 Tahoe area. 72 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.319 So oh, so you're right, you're in prime squash hab 73 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:26.919 attack grown. 74 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:28.680 Uh didn't know that though. 75 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.039 Uh so, tell us about that first expedition that you 76 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.240 went on, like, what did anything actually happen? Did you 77 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.680 hear or see anything? And tell us about that. 78 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.960 Well, not, I wasn't in the group, but uh Matt 79 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.120 had a group of folks with him that we believe 80 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:50.240 was approached and maybe heard some vocalizations one night, maybe 81 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.639 a whistle, and so it was. It wasn't a whole lot, 82 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.159 but uh boy, it was so much fun. It was 83 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:56.159 a lot of fun. 84 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:58.520 So if you didn't have the bug already, you certainly 85 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.520 got it theresolutely. 86 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.560 And uh so I knew immediately that I had to 87 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.080 get some friends involved in this so I can get out, 88 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:10.240 and uh that's exactly what I did. So Matt got 89 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.280 me on taking reports for the BFRO, and uh that 90 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.000 kind of put me on some areas and kind of 91 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.600 going through some witnesses and you know, just kind of 92 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.920 calling through and I ended up getting quite a few 93 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.279 pretty good witnesses. And and there was a couple that 94 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.720 were like within a quarter mile of each other and 95 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:32.560 both had prints, one had a sighting, and so I 96 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.160 immediately kind of feeling this might be a really good area. 97 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:38.560 And so I ended up bringing some friends and kind 98 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:41.439 of frequenting that area as much as I could, and 99 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.000 we ended up started getting quite a bit of activity. 100 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:46.560 Where was that at? 101 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:51.480 The closest town is Tallaheena, Oklahoma, And so it's a 102 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:53.879 little outside of Tallahena in the mountains. 103 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.040 It's right there in the Washington it's close to Hannaby 104 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:58.279 or Yeah. 105 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:00.160 So how far of a drive is that for you? 106 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:01.439 How long does it take you out there? 107 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:03.879 It takes me a little over an hour. 108 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:05.319 That's not bad at all. 109 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.519 No, And we have some spots that are even closer 110 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:10.720 that we've had some pretty good activity. 111 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.959 This one particular spot that you mentioned here, was it 112 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.480 one of the first BFRO areas you started looking into 113 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:19.279 after you started taking reports. 114 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.759 This is the first witness led area that we started 115 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.240 to or I started to kind of really look into 116 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.959 because they were the most credible witnesses that I had 117 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.279 talked to. Of course, I had quite a few witnesses 118 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.600 that wouldn't meet with me. You know, they wanted to 119 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.120 tell me their story and they wanted to get that 120 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.079 off their chest, but they really didn't want to pursue 121 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:44.319 it any deeper than that. But this particular area had 122 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.480 two different witnesses, Like I said, they had contacted me 123 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.839 and they proved to be very, very valuable. 124 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.399 Well, what was their story then? What would intrigue you 125 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.560 in Because you know, if you're a BFR investigator, especially 126 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:59.480 in a state like Oklahoma, Yeah, you kind of have 127 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.519 your choice of various witnesses to choose from who you 128 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:04.920 want to reach out to. What was it about one 129 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.759 of their sightings or encounters or something going on, like 130 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:10.120 basically tell us what was going on there that drew 131 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:12.560 you to start wanting to look into this particular area. 132 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.759 Yeah, So the first witness, his name was Josh. He 133 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.959 had a little medical issue that he couldn't work real well. 134 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.839 So every day when his daughter got home from school, 135 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:28.600 they would go on a walk because he wasn't supposed 136 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.560 to be off by himself very much because he had 137 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:34.399 seizures and stuff. And they'd go on a walk and 138 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:37.959 they would walk down this, for lack of better term, 139 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.399 a whole little old log road, and they would walk 140 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.759 to this pond and it'd get him some exercise and 141 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.160 they would spend some time together. And one particular day 142 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.920 they went out there to this pond and he said 143 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:54.199 when they got there, he immediately seen something go down 144 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.439 on the other side of the pond, and his daughter 145 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.920 just kept playing. She didn't notice it, and so he's like, oh, 146 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.040 I think that was a bear. So he's like, I'm 147 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.079 just going to sit here and wait for it to 148 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.720 come out, you know, because it didn't leave. It went 149 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.079 down in these reads that were in the pond, and 150 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.720 pretty soon, all of a sudden he noticed a rock 151 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:19.720 comes thrown tossed into the water, which got his daughter's attention, 152 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:24.199 and pretty soon another rock come out, and he's like, 153 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.199 what in the heck, you know, he's thinking, you know, 154 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.480 bears can't throw rocks. What's going on here? And about 155 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:32.600 that time, it stood up and it ran over the 156 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.720 pond dam and just went crashing through the woods. He's like, 157 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:40.000 you know, making all kinds of ruckus and noise, and 158 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.199 so he sent in this report. Well, it was about 159 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.600 two or three weeks before I can get over there 160 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:48.360 to meet with him. By the time I got over 161 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.600 there to meet with him, he's like, hey, I had 162 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.560 another encounter. And I said, oh yeah, he says, yeah, 163 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.160 same place, same thing. We were walking this day. We 164 00:07:58.160 --> 00:07:59.920 were a little later getting out there, so it was 165 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:07.240 almost dusk and some started paralleling us walking in the 166 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:12.360 woods next to us, and my daughter got scared, and 167 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:14.600 all of a sudden, it started throwing rocks at us. 168 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:17.879 But he said, this time it wasn't like what was 169 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.319 happening in the pond. It wasn't just tossing the rocks in. 170 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.079 He said, these were zinging, you know. He said they'd 171 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.600 throw them much harder, and so I immediately decided we needed 172 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.120 to leave, and so we started walking back to the house, 173 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:31.600 and it just followed them all the way to this 174 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.960 one spot where there was a dump. And when it 175 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.639 got to the dump, you know, it's just a place 176 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.360 in the woods where folks would throw their garbage, you know, 177 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.639 and or like their metal garbage and stuff like that, 178 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:46.360 not so much food garbage. But once it got to 179 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.559 that little clearing, it stopped and left them alone. So 180 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.799 it basically escorted them ount and I was like wow. 181 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.000 I was like, man, this is like all classic stuff here, 182 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.320 and so we you know, I did that investigation, and 183 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.480 literally three days later, another guy sent me in the 184 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.600 report where he told me he was I was like, man, 185 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.600 this might be really close to Josh. But he told 186 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.720 me to come a whole different route. So I followed 187 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:15.440 his route because I don't want to miss his house. 188 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.720 And then I come up to his road. I was like, ah, 189 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:20.559 I gotta keep going. I got to see how far 190 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:22.759 Josh lives from here. And literally it is one turn, 191 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.759 one turn on the black top and boom, there's Josh's house. 192 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.960 So I went back and met with this fella, and 193 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:33.600 he was a preacher and he would was building a 194 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.000 gate to his place, and he noticed these footprints in 195 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.679 the mud and they had about a six foot stride. 196 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.919 Maybe I think that's what he told me. I have 197 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.360 to look back at my notes, but and there was 198 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.240 three of them come out of the woods, walked the 199 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.879 road for three steps, and then went back in the woods. 200 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:55.279 And I got a picture of his foot next to him, 201 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.360 and he had sized twelve boots and you can tell 202 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.320 it's it's quite a bit bigger. He's like, what could 203 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:04.480 this be? You know? And I think someone told him. 204 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.679 I was like, oh, that's probably a sasquatch, and he's like, what, 205 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.519 we don't have those things. And he had just moved 206 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.360 here from another state. And so anyway, he decided to 207 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:15.360 put in a report. And so when I met with 208 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.039 him and was talking to him, I was like, yeah, well, 209 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:21.559 I got another witness in this local area and I 210 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.200 asked him, I said, do you know this stuffle the 211 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.120 named Josh, And he's like, no, I don't know him. 212 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:28.720 I haven't lived here very long. One of the things 213 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:30.600 he told me when I came, he's like, hey, don't 214 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:35.039 come with anything like bigfoot or bfro on your truck 215 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.240 or anything. Because I got some neighbors that asked me 216 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.759 not to turn in a report on this. He said 217 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:44.200 that he sees it walking the roads every once in 218 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:46.440 a while and he don't want people in here looking 219 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.080 for it. Anyway. I asked him if he knew the 220 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.799 other witness, and he had not, and so he literally 221 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:57.360 lived just one road turn away from the other guy, 222 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.159 and so that kind of put us on the on 223 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.759 the area. And from there I started going out there 224 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.519 bringing a new friend. I was like trying to find 225 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:11.320 friends that I knew that they were into the bigfoot 226 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.879 subject and stuff, and so I talked a few friends 227 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:19.279 into going out with me. One night, a friend named 228 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:23.879 Dave Anderson went with me, and I think the first 229 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.039 night we went there, we didn't have anything. We went 230 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.440 back again the next night and we started getting this 231 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.399 low moan sound. I just thought it was a cow 232 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.799 or something. And so the next day I called Josh 233 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.360 and I said, hey, is there cows in there, because 234 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.559 it's on the side of the mountain and he's like, oh, no, 235 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.240 there's no cows over here. I said, are you sure? 236 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.679 I said, I go because where I heard a cow 237 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.159 And he's like, no, I promise you there's no cows 238 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.840 in this area. He says the closest cows would be 239 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:55.639 down in the valley. So a couple of weekends later, 240 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.960 I bring another friend in the area. Dave couldn't go, 241 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.559 so I bring a friend, John Sullivan, and we're sitting 242 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.440 there in the dark and I said, hey, I just 243 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.879 want you to listen, just listen for any kind of response, 244 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.919 And I did a wood knock on a it's kind 245 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.919 of like a drum kit wood wood thing, and so 246 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.799 I did a wood knock and almost immediately we got 247 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:20.000 a rock clack return. 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Or how 292 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:42.960 did that work? 293 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:47.000 Yeah, so we worked the property where Josh lived in 294 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.440 a little bit of the surrounding properties, but we would 295 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:55.279 get out that summer because of that happening, We probably 296 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:00.480 were out there every weekend, maybe out of fifty two weekends, 297 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:04.440 maybe forty six forty eight weekends. I mean, we really 298 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.639 were out there because it was and we had an 299 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.759 activity almost every one of those, not every one of them. 300 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.799 Seemed like anytime we had a full moon it was 301 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.360 kind of a dead night. But for the most part, 302 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:21.080 we had either vocalizations or we started getting rock throws, 303 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:26.240 we'd have a tree pushovers, all kinds of stuff happened there. 304 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.840 There's a cabin in there. It got slapped a few times. 305 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.759 Yeah, And I can vouch for how hard they were 306 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:33.799 hitting it because we were communicating all the time. I 307 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.320 think by that point I had already moved from Oklahoma, 308 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.240 but you know, Joel and I would talk all the time, 309 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.639 and so I was getting regular updates about that property. 310 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.360 In those situations, and those guys were hitting it hard. 311 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:46.919 It'd be like, hey, who wants to stay up late tonight? 312 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.440 And they'd run over there and stay out there all 313 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.720 night and then come home in the morning and do whatever. 314 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.399 But they were out there a lot, really diligently. 315 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.399 When you got the cabin slapped, was did you guys, like, 316 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.519 would it be like where someone's head was that they 317 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:01.519 were land like, did it seemed like where they knew? 318 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:02.080 Like did. 319 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.399 It seemed like they that they knew where you were 320 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.360 inside the cabin, like would hit where you were sleeping 321 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:06.879 or sitting. 322 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.000 We weren't in the cabin. We were probably two hundred 323 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.440 yards from the cabin, sitting at this pond, and the 324 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:17.600 cabin's up this road on top of this hill. And 325 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.440 almost like clockwork, when we were there, they would there's 326 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.720 a ravine there and we could almost hear them coming 327 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:25.519 up out of the ravine. You know, we'd start hearing 328 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.039 movement over there, and they would come up to the 329 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.919 pond and kind of work from left to right around 330 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.600 the pond, and I think that they would kind of 331 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.799 observe us from that position. But that night it was 332 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.039 me and Dave Anderson, and we heard something coming up 333 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.720 out of the ravine, but then it went quiet for 334 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:46.480 a long time, and then all of a sudden we 335 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:50.440 hear we'd hear what sounded like something just walloped that 336 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.799 wall of that cabin, and then we heard a take 337 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:55.600 off run and going back down the ravine, and we 338 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.759 could hear rock slides and stuff like that, you know, 339 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.440 where it was just scramble and back down them into 340 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:02.960 the ravine. 341 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.160 Let's talk about this cast a little bit because that 342 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.920 property is that where your fantastic cast came from. 343 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.920 Yes, so one night again bringing in a new friend. 344 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.480 Bringing in a friend that night is so it is 345 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.960 his first time ever going and I told him, I 346 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:23.079 was like, it's pretty much downhill for here for you, buddy, 347 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.960 unless you see one. So as we were walking in, 348 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:29.880 we come across a great print on that road and 349 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.319 we didn't cast it immediately. I just kind of left it, 350 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.039 and I knew that I was going to come back 351 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:38.400 early in the morning to cast it. 352 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:42.000 So and I have to congratulate you because one of 353 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.160 the one of the successes here with this particular footprint 354 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:47.319 is first of all, it's excellent. I have not seen 355 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:52.039 a better cast out of Oklahoma. It is really good there. 356 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:54.240 But also in the middle of it, of interest, I 357 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.920 think you're very very lucky to get it at all, frankly, 358 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.880 and because it had to have been very fresh, because 359 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:03.960 in the middle of the print there's a couple of 360 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.240 things going on in it. In fact, when I'll get 361 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.759 to that minute. But first of all, a scorpion walked 362 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:13.559 across it as you watched it. Is that correct? As 363 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:15.359 you're looking at the print in the ground. 364 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.960 Yeah, so we're we're all huddled around it. There's four 365 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:21.960 or five of us there that night, and as we're 366 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.519 looking at it, we observed a scorpion come walking across 367 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.200 and walk right through it. And even in the in 368 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:31.400 the in the cash you can see the trail that 369 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.079 it left, you know, from its dragging its tail through there. 370 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.720 Yeah, now we'll go ahead and post set on a 371 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.799 prootal post set, probably just for the members, I guess, 372 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:40.160 another reason to be a member if you want to 373 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:42.720 be a member of big Foot and Beyond. But on 374 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:45.920 that cast, on the lower left hand side is a line. 375 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.079 It looks from from our perspective looking at the picture 376 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.079 it's on the lower left hand side of the heel, 377 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.880 going diagonally up to the right, about almost to the 378 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.079 ball of the foot, I guess. And there's a line 379 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.240 in the middle with small little scraggly's going out on 380 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.200 either side, and that is the trail at the scorpion 381 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:08.640 left and underneath that are a couple of little round 382 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.279 marks basically on the heel, which is where unfortunately, I'm 383 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:14.359 like an OUCHI here Joel that you guys made a mistake. 384 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:19.359 You touched the footprint before you cast it. But You're 385 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:21.599 not alone in that. All sorts of people have done that, 386 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.160 some of the greats. I mean, peterburn cast has finger 387 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.799 marks all over it, Bob titmas stuff down in high 388 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:29.880 and Palm has finger marks on it. That's one of 389 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.599 the things that happens with footprints in the ground. But 390 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:34.480 you told me at the time, and I remember working 391 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.960 with you about this ten years ago or more, that 392 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.119 you were curious how soft the soil was. Is that right? 393 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:43.720 That's exactly I was like, Oh, I'm going to get 394 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:47.480 to finally tell him. And so when we found this 395 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.200 what I went back to cast it. So we were 396 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.960 in kind of like a mini drought for around here. 397 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.200 We usually get a lot of rain, and I think 398 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.200 would have been like a couple months since we've got 399 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:01.400 any rain. So the ground was super hard, and I 400 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:05.839 tried to jump and with all my weight and I'm 401 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.079