WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.599 The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot com 2 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:10.320 and this missus liking yeah, nostivated in. 3 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:11.480 A media. 4 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:19.239 February twenty seven, twenty twenty six, allegedly according to that 5 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.320 thing we call a calendar and know I'm not having 6 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.760 a stroke. That's the date anyway, how you doing. It's 7 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:27.800 Friday night and we are live just about five minutes 8 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:31.199 after eight pm Eastern here in what we used to 9 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.679 call America. So I did really manage to release a 10 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.759 couple of podcasts this week, and one of them was 11 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.320 with Larry Hancock, and unfortunately, you know, part of the 12 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.759 discussion with Larry didn't go well. But upgrades are a coming, 13 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:47.640 so sometime in April we should be on a completely 14 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:52.799 different platform. Also still on the existing platforms as per usual, 15 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.079 just expanding and we're gonna see what happens when the 16 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:59.759 Ocell Effect goes live on Rumble, because I'm not gonna 17 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:04.359 bother with YouTube, which is an unfortunate thing, but uh look, 18 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:07.599 uh Google told me I'm unwanted, so therefore we're not 19 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.319 going there anyway. It's gonna be an interesting test, not 20 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.319 only for my dwindling audience, but for the people I 21 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:17.319 partner with and we're going to see who puts in 22 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:19.480 some skin into the game because that's the only way 23 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:22.640 the game is going to get played, uh from now on. 24 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.000 And uh oh. In that regard, we do have Aaron 25 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.840 comeing live at ten pm Eastern tonight, so the Age 26 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.239 of Transitions will happen, and then Uncle the podcast will 27 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.280 be live also at eleven pm Eastern, So you know, 28 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:37.840 stick around and keep listening to the Ocelli dot com 29 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.599 radio feed if you're hearing us live, and if not, 30 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.359 you're hearing a podcast, and that stuff is likely on 31 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.959 the feed or soon to be there. Anyway, There it is, there, 32 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.120 it was, and that's what it is. You can join 33 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.560 in with this if you like. You me, my co 34 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:56.760 host b Pete is with me, and uh you can 35 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.560 do that too. Three one nine five two seven five 36 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.359 zero one six. That's the number to call. And you know, 37 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:04.439 when we go over to the video thing, I was 38 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:06.200 just telling Bpte, we're gonna have to figure out a 39 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:08.039 way to kind of like, you know, put one of 40 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.280 those banners that keeps running by, that keeps telling you 41 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.240 the number to call in which I think Aaron does 42 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.599 on the stream for Uncle already on the various platforms, 43 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:18.439 and we'll see how many things we can plug into, 44 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:23.560 uh maybe with riverside as, are as, our you know, 45 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:26.719 off off site software, and we'll see if that's the 46 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:30.479 conduit for us, you know, but a whole year that's 47 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:33.599 going to be paid for by an anonymous benefactor, So 48 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:38.400 we shall see how that goes and see if I 49 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.439 get rejected over there. I have a feeling not so much. 50 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:44.719 I think we're gonna actually rebuild the audience that has 51 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.840 slowly been destroyed over the past couple of years, because 52 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:51.199 you know, we're down to just a couple thousand people 53 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.719 really and at one point, oh, it's more like one 54 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:58.159 hundred thousand people listening to what it is I was doing. 55 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.000 But now audio not in vogue. You got to be 56 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.520 out there with a YouTube channel, you know, that's the 57 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:07.199 only way to be somebody, apparently that and have an 58 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:12.280 interesting Twitter account excuse me x account, you know, and 59 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:14.919 and put on douchebags like Bart Sebrel to tell you 60 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.599 that the moon landing was faked. You know, That's that's 61 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.879 the key to success, Joe Rogan. Well, that and also 62 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:23.879 to declare yourself the king of comedy even though you're 63 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:26.560 not funny, but anyway, you know, it is a thing, 64 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.319 and podcasting is now not just a joke, it is 65 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.800 something else. And is there alternative media? Maybe we'll get 66 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:37.039 into that discussion tonight. And my annoyance with a whole 67 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.680 bunch of emails from people who seem to think that 68 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.759 it's a surprise to me that I was correct again 69 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.680 about what's happening to the mainstream corporate media. But you know, 70 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.639 I'm getting bored with this. You hate me because I 71 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.400 tell you something you don't want to hear. Six months later, 72 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.360 you figure out what's happening. Then you email me and 73 00:03:57.400 --> 00:03:59.879 tell me you're sorry. You didn't support me for six months, 74 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.560 and guess what the punchline is. You still don't support me, 75 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.319 so you know you're not getting your emails red on air. 76 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:08.879 I do read all the crap in the box, though 77 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.199 it's that simple. If you actually supported me, I might 78 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:17.240 read or reference your emails. Just ask my friends who 79 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:23.959 do that. Anyway, enough of the personal stuff, let's try 80 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.240 to have some fun because I don't want to discuss 81 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.360 the state of the union. I already made my statement 82 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.439 about that. I gave you guys a snap who news 83 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.800 with as little commentary for me as possible. You got 84 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.240 Larry Hancock this week and now be Pete. So you 85 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.480 know my co host who is going to carry over 86 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.000 to the new platform, and hopefully we'll bring Aaron and 87 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.959 Uncle over there as well. But who knows who else 88 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:50.680 might join the network in the transitional period, which I 89 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:54.480 hope to begin in April. So stick around and listen, 90 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:59.000 pay attention and watch for the media spheres for that. Anyways, 91 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.000 that I put in a nice long plug for about 92 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.759 what four minutes almost Pete, Pete, How are you doing 93 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.120 this week before we get to any callers or anything, 94 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.399 because God knows what they might have to say this week. 95 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:17.600 Oh, I'm doing well, but it's been a regular monsoon 96 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.879 here all. We haven't been able to get much done 97 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:22.240 outside has been raining off and on every damn day 98 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.040 for five days. But other than that, we're doing well. 99 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.680 Spring is getting ready to kick in, so should be 100 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:29.800 getting busy with a lot of stuff, a lot of 101 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.959 projects that got lined up and. 102 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:32.600 Other than that. 103 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.040 I just got a list of five things that I 104 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.279 picked up during the week that maybe we can discuss 105 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.600 tonight if somebody wants to call in and discuss any 106 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.519 of them, and so I'll start my list real quick. 107 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:47.439 Number One, Sure, the team USA hockey Team one gold, 108 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.920 forty six years after we beat the last communist country 109 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:54.920 that we played, Canada, is you know, trying to be 110 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.120 the bigger sport. But niner, niner, we don't give a 111 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.800 damn well. One, I'll leave it at that. Two the 112 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:05.639 State of the Union. I didn't watch it. I don't care. 113 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:08.839 All I know is my pizza index is telling us 114 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.600 we're getting screwed royally. You used to can get three 115 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.399 tombstone pizzas for ten bucks. Now you're lucky if you 116 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:18.959 can find two for ten bucks. It's getting ridiculous. Number 117 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.800 Three in the UK turmoil. They just had an election. 118 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:27.639 They've got their great gangs going on. You know, if 119 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.879 you know what I mean, Tommy Robinson had to flee. 120 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.360 And to tell you the power of suggestion, I was 121 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.560 listening to the Red Hot Chili Peppers when I wrote 122 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:40.800 that down and spelled flee fla no figure. 123 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:43.199 Okay, let's see what else we got. Oh. 124 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:48.399 The two thousand and three Bohemian Grove attendance list has 125 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:54.319 been released by a journalist named Daniel bogus Law. So 126 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.560 I downloaded that and I'm will peruse that sometime in 127 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:58.560 the next few days just to figure out who was 128 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:02.680 buddying up with who and number five and this one 129 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.079 may be the most important the Rock and Roll Hall 130 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:11.040 of Fame. Now, they've only been around since eighty six 131 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.959 receiving inductees, and I think they started out on a 132 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:24.000 good note. But there's been some questionable picks over years, 133 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.759 and that is they have nominated Shakira for a position. 134 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.639 I believe Luther Vandross was also one of the people 135 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:39.839 that they're nominating for induction, and controversies aside. For years 136 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.000 has been said that a bunch of non music people 137 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.199 are showing favoritism when they make these selections. But I 138 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.839 found out some things about Shakira. I didn't know that 139 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:56.079 woman is fifty years old. Now, anybody the feminine skin 140 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.759 care beauty products business is a multi billion dollar business. 141 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:04.279 All you've got to do is go ask Shakira whatever 142 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:07.279 the hell she's been doing and do that. I have 143 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:11.000 never seen a more well preserved fifty year old anything 144 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.800 than her. She had to look a day over her 145 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:20.079 late twenties. She's awesome. But on top of that, you know, 146 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.480 to be considered you have to go twenty five years 147 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:27.639 since your first commercial release, and she had I think 148 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.439 four albums. She had four albums out before she even 149 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:35.960 hit the English market. She was predominantly on the Latin market. 150 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:41.000 In fact, she's probably more influential than a lot of 151 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.360 people you would think for bringing Latin music into the mainstream. 152 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:48.120 She's had. 153 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:54.679 Had four Grammys, She's had fifteen, I believe Latin Grammys. 154 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.639 She started in nineteen ninety one at fourteen years old. 155 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:04.440 Does she Kira count as rock and roll? And that's 156 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:05.240 my big question? 157 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.960 Okay, So shall I go front to back or back 158 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.519 to front on your list and explain to you how 159 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.519 it is that we are so different, which is going 160 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:17.919 to make this partnership really really interesting as we go forward, 161 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:21.440 because you know, for many years I tried to change 162 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:23.919 your mind, and I've now decided that instead, what I'm 163 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.440 going to do is my very best effort to weaponize 164 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.600 what it is that you are insistent on. So but 165 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.799 but in the meantime, I want to demonstrate the difference 166 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.799 in our thinking really quickly. Here. So shall I go 167 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.519 with your your toplet of your list or the bottom 168 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.320 of your list? First? Oh? 169 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.840 I don't care. You can mix it, mix them up 170 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.080 if you want a little from column, a little Collin b. 171 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.480 Okay, well just keep me on track here. Let let's 172 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:52.600 start with the first thing you mentioned, which I believe 173 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.559 was the Olympic hockey team and the victory of the men. 174 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.000 And I think you mentioned the men, but I don't 175 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.399 know if you mentioned the women's hockey. But either way, 176 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.679 hockey teams last week okay, they yeah, they had already 177 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.279 gotten their medal by last Friday. 178 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.360 We didn't win our goal until Sunday. 179 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.320 Well, because this has never been anything other than a 180 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:19.480 weapon of propaganda and an encouragement of tribalism, I see 181 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.759 almost no relevance in this. I mean, do people actually 182 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.440 still like swell? Oh? Yes, Team USA one? Yeah? USA. 183 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.200 I mean, I know we saw that performatively on Capitol Hill, 184 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.039 but I mean I don't believe most of the performances 185 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.399 I see there. I mean literally, we just watched, you know, 186 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:39.639 the Epstein hearings go sideways with Hillary Clinton come out 187 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:44.519 with a straight face saying a dude, nothing, So you know, 188 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.159 what do you what are we supposed to believe here? 189 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:53.360 Is that a real relevance to you, to anybody in reality? 190 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.000 Or is that just one of those like remnants of 191 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:59.159 a time when we still had an idea about a 192 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.399 national idea entity that didn't put us at each other's 193 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:06.639 throats necessarily. I mean, what are your thoughts on that? 194 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.399 Is it relevant even? And why is it relevant to you? 195 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:10.720 That's my question. 196 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.840 Well, damn, I they're gonna know. I'm going to get 197 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.679 the third degree. Go ahead and get a rubber hose 198 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.159 out and cut the lamp on. 199 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:19.840 It's sports. 200 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.399 You're not a sports fan, so. 201 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:24.840 But I am. Don't get it, But I am not 202 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:25.840 a hockey fan. 203 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.679 No. We just took a gold medal from the one 204 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:34.720 country who does nothing twenty four to seven three sixty 205 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.720 five but play hockey, and we just whooped their ass. Okay, 206 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:42.000 So it was a hard fought battle and we won. 207 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.879 Yeah, but that's not about the game. I'm asking about 208 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.080 this whole we thing. Why is it a wee? 209 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:49.559 It's not about the game? 210 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.679 Okay, what do you mean we? Oh? I understand. 211 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.519 Oh I never slapped a puck in the game, So 212 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.080 how can I consider being a part of a US 213 00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:59.639 national team support. 214 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:01.799 I'm accepting. I'm accepting that. 215 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.159 Pant No, we went through this over the Panthers when 216 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.879 I pitched about our draft picks and what we did 217 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.879 with them and how we didn't capitalize on having a 218 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.600 quarterback that just played in the Super Bowl, thank you 219 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:17.399 very much. So I don't want to hear it. If 220 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.360 you can't, if that's if that's a tribe that you 221 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.480 don't want to be a part of and you don't understand, 222 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:28.519 then culturally you are missing out. It's a good thing. Okay, 223 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:30.840 So don't understand it. I can't explain it. 224 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:35.840 No. See, I like certain sports. I appreciate the performance. 225 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:40.000 I appreciate the skill level. I find it remarkable that 226 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.600 we are actually alive in the time of sho Heyo Tani, 227 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.039 you know, just saying. And I used to love the 228 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.000 New York Rangers, even though they didn't win. I loved 229 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.759 them because of their character, the way they played the 230 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:55.519 fact that they were kind of dirty and nasty and 231 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.879 they still couldn't pull it off even when they tried 232 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:00.600 to bring Gretzky in there and they had Mario and 233 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.279 it was amazing. It was, you know, Gretzky. 234 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:10.600 Now there's a source spot the Canadians for the whole 235 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.519 time during the Olympics when they show to pick sure 236 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.240 Gretzky while he was watching games or around the site, 237 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.919 he was getting food left and right by Canadians. Why 238 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:26.879 he played roughly half of his career for Canadian teams. 239 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.879 He was on the Edwinson Oilers, but when he decided 240 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:34.399 to retire, he retired to the US. And that's got 241 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.440 them all pissed off. They can't stand it. So Gretzky 242 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:39.799 is really a bad word in Canada right now. 243 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.639 Yeah. But just because he moved where the money was 244 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.759 and capitalized on his talent, I mean, is that not 245 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:47.720 what you do is if you have a talent to 246 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.559 sell and you can market it, is that not you know, 247 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.759 a worldwide something that should be celebrated. If you have 248 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.919 a talent that doesn't harm anyone, that happens to entertain people, 249 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:02.080 and it is marketing, Who the hell has anybody else 250 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.039 to tell him not to take it somewhere else where? 251 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:07.840 Automatically the exchange gets you better paid. I mean, you know, 252 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:10.720 and and Gretzky argue with it. You know. It's like 253 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.000 Michael Jordan. You might not like him, but damn you 254 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.840 got to say he was an incredible player, right, I mean, 255 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:21.080 Mike Tyson despicable human being, awesome to watch fight. I mean, 256 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:23.200 I'm just saying there is something too. 257 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:28.440 Side a side note on Michael Jordan. His NASCAR team 258 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.320 last weekend just won their first race. 259 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.200 Cool, but you know, and that's a weird mix right there. 260 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:38.159 And there's this whole weird meme thing that went on 261 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.240 recently about you know, white people in NASCAR. But I'm 262 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.519 not even going to get into that. But here's the thing. 263 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.559 I appreciate the business of sports. I appreciate the the 264 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:51.759 the actual sport itself, without the money and all that. 265 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.679 I'm just asking about the tribalism and why it is 266 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.080 that you've just kind of gone into that. I mean, 267 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.919 let's just look at your your your heritage, per say, right, 268 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.120 you know before you were Americans. I was going to 269 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.279 ask a new once question. Okay, let me cancel my question. 270 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:15.399 Let me explain something. Sure, all right, the US versus 271 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.799 Canada in hockey at the Olympics is nothing more than 272 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:25.120 basically the NHL North playing the NHL South. Okay, right, 273 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:27.320 so you can look at it from that point of 274 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.919 rivalry too. I Mean, the half of the teams are 275 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:32.960 made up Canadians, nothing wrong with that, But we had 276 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:37.759 a bunch of homegrown guys that put it on the ice. 277 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:43.639 They left it on the ice, and they played the extraordinary. 278 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.320 There was some excellent hockey in that whole series. 279 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:51.000 Okay, that no arguments there. I did not, you know, 280 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:54.360 I was not invested in the tribalism. It didn't motivate 281 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.360 me to find a way to watch the stream. It 282 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:59.080 was complicated, to be honest with you. So you know, 283 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:02.000 I didn't see it. But I've watched hockey just to 284 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.519 watch hockey, you know, because it's going on, and it's 285 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.759 fascinating when people are skilled, that's for sure. It's just 286 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.879 the investment of tribalism. And that's another interesting point, by 287 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.399 the way, is the Team USA thing. You know, for 288 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:17.559 a long long time, it used to be if you 289 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:21.279 were a professional athlete, you couldn't be in the Olympics, right. 290 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.799 You had to be an amateur. You had to be 291 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:26.960 somebody who relied on other people to support you in 292 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.879 a weird, sort of convoluted way as opposed to being 293 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:33.720 a directly paid professional. That's how you got disqualified from 294 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.720 being in the Olympics at one point. And then that 295 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:39.759 sort of switched, right, and we have Team USA basketball. 296 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.480 We had the major league players, you know, famously honest. Yeah, good, 297 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:45.200 I'll be honest. 298 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:47.600 I think they should go back to amateur status. I 299 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.960 don't think they should allow pros. But the problem is, 300 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:53.720 and this started the whole argument. You've got countries like 301 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:58.919 China or Russia who were paying their Olympic athletes. That's 302 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.159 all they did, that their job, and people were saying, 303 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:04.519 well that how come they're not considered professional. They're being 304 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.319 covered by their country, right, you know, all their expenses, 305 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.920 they live a good life, and so that's what brought 306 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:11.960 the argument out, and they said, okay, well we'll open 307 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.319 it up to pros. I mean, look what has done 308 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:16.599 to the Summer Olympics in basketball now that you got 309 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:19.599 the Dream team every year that they call it, although 310 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:24.319 sometimes it's a nightmare of a dream, but still, I mean, 311 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.519 I think they should go back to amateur status. 312 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:27.440 Well, and it's hard. 313 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:31.960 It's hard for an athlete to compete around the world 314 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:34.839 to get the recognition, to be able to get on 315 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.880 these teams to win the you know, the Nationals and 316 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.440 this and that. It's hard for them, and it's very 317 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.480 expensive with travel and everything else. So I can see 318 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.319 both sides of it, but to me, the Olympics should 319 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.880 be all amateur. That was the whole setup to begin. 320 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.119 With, because the problem is they've gotten away from the 321 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.920 sport and more into the propaganda because of the tribal pride. 322 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.480 And therefore, you know, there are some people not only 323 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.400 are they, you know, Olympic athletes, but there are people 324 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:05.279 that are part of their professional teams in their region 325 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:07.759 of the world. We're allowed to compete when we weren't 326 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.599 allowing ours. And I remember this whole argument going on 327 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.000 when I was much younger because of the Team USA baseball, 328 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.680 and we assembled a hell of a team, the Team USA, 329 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:19.720 if you remember anything, it was like what eighty six 330 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.279 or eighty seven. They blasted like every pro we had 331 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:26.519 pretty much they asked to play in the Olympics, didn't they. So, 332 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.279 I mean it was crazy. But here's the thing. When 333 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.119 you don't have a level playing field, right and they say, well, 334 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:36.160 we're going to send our young people to play your 335 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:38.799 young people, and their young people are in their twenties 336 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:42.079 and our young people are in their teens, it usually 337 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.759 is not a good matchup or vice versa, right, Or 338 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:47.559 they say, look, we have a pro team. You have 339 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.240 a pro team, and our girls show up and their 340 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.680 guys show up. This is not a level playing field. 341 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.400 I don't care what anybody says, liberal or conservative about this. 342 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:01.440 Guys versus girls in any sport is uneven at best, 343 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:06.559 if not dangerous. So the thing is, you know, at 344 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:08.240 the end of the day, it is more about the 345 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.440 tribalism than the sport. So I always find it interesting 346 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:16.200 when people take a secondary or a voyeuristic pride into 347 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:19.880 it and it's like it's part of them now, even 348 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.160 though you had nothing to do with the corporate sponsorships, 349 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:23.839 You had nothing to do with the people that actually 350 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:26.640 slaved away in order to achieve amateur status, to get 351 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.519 into the Olympics, to qualify, who dedicated their lives to stuff, 352 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.319 you know, and all that, and you weren't invested. But 353 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.440 now that they slapped the right colors on these people's chests, 354 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:39.240 which by the way, not all of our players might 355 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.359 even necessarily have been born in the USA or whatever else, 356 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:46.000 that's okay because that's the way the America works, right. 357 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:50.200 We import a lot of people. This is how almost 358 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:53.680 all of us got here anyway, you know, And and 359 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.240 importation could take on many different terms. I don't want 360 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.839 to hear about it. The point is, this is not 361 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.000 something that I feel personally vested in, and I'm just 362 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.720 always fascinated by somebody who does. So anyway, let's move 363 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.319 on to the next. What was the next thing you 364 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:17.319 brought up in order after the Olympics was a. 365 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:19.079 State of the Union. I didn't watch. 366 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:19.640 I don't care. 367 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:20.799 I don't give a damn. 368 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.839 Now you might find this interesting, but to me, I 369 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:27.880 thought it was perfectly appropriate. And why because it matches 370 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:32.680 all of the mainstream rhetoric and it's just another advertisement 371 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.400 and another opportunity for Trump to have an hour and 372 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:41.240 forty seven minute commercial on television, which he has had 373 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.480 now for a decade, where he's you know, constantly on 374 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.920 the networks. And oh, by the way, the liberal media 375 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:53.319 is clearly no longer owned by the liberals. But okay, 376 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.079 it's cool. But I say, I don't object anything you 377 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.720 have to say. Good. I'm just saying I'm just trying 378 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.279 to fit is my personal view on it. But okay, 379 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:02.839 go ahead. 380 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:09.119 Well, the reason the reason I didn't watch is because, 381 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:13.359 for one, I cannot stand to hear Donald Trump go 382 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:18.839 on about anything. I just it's it's just he puts 383 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:23.319 me off. His expressions, the way and the things that 384 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:23.839 he says. 385 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:25.119 Half of what he says. 386 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:30.480 Is complete cleave Faxel. I'll be glad when he's gone. 387 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:37.279 But I don't understand almost the state of the union. 388 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:39.680 People know the state of the Union every day when 389 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:41.599 they have to go buy groceries or when they have 390 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:44.440 to fill up their car, when their insurance premium shoot 391 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:48.640 the roof. And we've got people up there in Washington 392 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.279 that are supposed to be doing ship for us, and 393 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:58.720 they clearly aren't. They clearly don't give a damn about us. 394 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.200 So to I'm not going to give an hour and 395 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:07.039 forty seven minutes to the upa loompa that wants to 396 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.039 sit there and show the world what a flaming narcissist 397 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.359 he is. See, I just can't do it. 398 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:19.319 Okay, I've seen clips. Okay, you know, but it's it's 399 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:20.200 the circus. 400 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.839 I can't afford the bread anymore to sit there and 401 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:23.279 watch it. 402 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:26.480 Oh, I hear you. But at the same time, it's 403 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:32.319 the same blind tribalisms USA. Those chants broke out and oh, 404 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.480 by the way, the guys hockey team participated in this. 405 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:37.799 After somebody gifted Trump one of the gold medals by 406 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:39.559 the way. I don't know if he kept it for 407 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:41.240 real or if it was just for the photo op, 408 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:43.920 but I mean he actually brought those guys out as 409 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.319 a special announcement in the midst of the State of 410 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.319 the Union address while telling us that we are the 411 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.200 hottest country ever, We are in the Golden Age of America. 412 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.759 Everything is great, USA USA, and that he has fixed 413 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:00.000 the economy. Everything is, you know, so much cheaper since 414 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.160 he's been in office and all that stuff. And it 415 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.079 sounds to me like that's exactly the kind of cheerleading 416 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.839 that you would want to do if you're into the 417 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:13.039 tribal just slap on the official coat of USA USA 418 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:16.720 for the moment. But you disagree with him. Is it 419 00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:19.319 because of his narcissism or is it because of the 420 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.400 delusional rambling? Or is it because of the length? What 421 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:24.880 is the big turn off for you personally? 422 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.200 It's a combinat well. The first thing is just having 423 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.119 to listen to him. I'm sorry, I don't see how 424 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.839 Milania has stayed with him. She must stay in another 425 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.440 room because if you have to listen to that MF 426 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.839 twenty four to seven, I'd be slapping him so hard 427 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.640 that hairspray would not straighten out his damn hairdo when 428 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.160 I got done. He's just for a rich man. I mean, 429 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.960 if you're going to get up there, he doesn't have 430 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.839 to sell anything because he's in office. He knows he 431 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:54.880 can't run again. You know, he's going to make the 432 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.440 best of it and make it all about Donald One. 433 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.599 I can't stand a narcissist at all. I mean, if 434 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:02.839 you want to get up there and tell the state 435 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.319 of the union, tell the state of the union. But 436 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.000 if you employ a bunch of people and you're paying 437 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.759 them a bunch of damn tax dollars to do what 438 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.440 they're supposed to do, you would think they could fact 439 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:15.440 check a few things before you get up there and 440 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.039 start making comments. What was it he said something like 441 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.200 three or was it three hundred million or something people? 442 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.279 And I'm sitting there thinking, there's only three hundred and 443 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:25.240 fifty million people in the damn country. Where do you 444 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:26.319 get this three hundred million? 445 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:27.720 At stuff? 446 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:35.079 Just little stuff that makes him look so damn stupid 447 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:40.480 world stage. They can't get straight for a simple I 448 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.559 hate that we have a brain trust. They're supposed to 449 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.359 be running this country. On either side of the aisle, 450 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.960 and they're all just a bunch of corrupt politicians who 451 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:52.640 you could I don't trust them as far as I 452 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:53.240 could throw them. 453 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:56.519 Well, that almost sounds like a liberal complaint, because you know, 454 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.839 I was called a liberal for pointing out the fact 455 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.599 that he was talking about one thousand percent decreases in price, 456 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.519 which mathematically causes an issue, even if it is run 457 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.480 through the new Trump RX website, which I didn't name it. 458 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.039 I didn't name it. I didn't want to call it. 459 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:15.279 Trump the guy who slaps his name on everything, said that. 460 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:17.920 I found that to be the most remarkable funny thing. 461 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.599 And don't you think fact checkers are a little exhausted 462 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:23.200 from getting yelled at that they have trumped arrangement syndrome. 463 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.519 I mean, I would not bother if that was my business. 464 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:29.119 I would be, you know, working at a drive through somewhere, 465 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:31.559 because at least i'd be serving people something they wanted. 466 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.039 Nobody wants the fact checking and the people that know 467 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.759 that facts need to be checked here, and the facts 468 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.680 are not in existence in most of the speech, guess what, 469 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.920 they know it automatically, So the fact checkers serve no purpose. 470 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.000 And it seems to me like it's perfectly appropriate for 471 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.200 what the majority seems to have decided in this country 472 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.160 is reality. And I got to say, there is a 473 00:25:55.200 --> 00:26:00.799 scientific basis for the observer changing the reality itself by perception. 474 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.599 There's a whole quantum physics argument about this, where the 475 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.119 physical reality can literally change based on the way people 476 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.480 are observing it. And I'm starting to understand the twisted 477 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.039 rationalizations of the world around me. But you can look 478 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.640 at the last snap who news for the formula on 479 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:23.480 that hint. It does involve agreeing with being in agreeance 480 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.799 with one another about certain things or not. But anyway, 481 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:29.880 so I just find it interesting because I think it 482 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.839 was perfectly appropriate and not even really worthy of commentary 483 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.519 for the most part, because did you expect anything different. 484 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.599 I'm not surprised by any of it, and the fact 485 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:41.839 that he was at least able to set yet another 486 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.839 record by making it the longest state of the Union 487 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.599 I think in history, or at least in modern history 488 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.400 for sure. Time wise, I don't know. It just seems 489 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.839 to track. So, you know, the objection and the demonizing 490 00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.720 the Democrats and pulling out you know, Team USA as 491 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:00.920 if there were his own personal action figures and all 492 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.279 of that and trying to point to hey, listen, I've 493 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:06.279 got the mother of a murdered person, and that's who 494 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.599 we're doing the ice thing for over here on the side. 495 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:13.799 And yeah, it all tracks, plus even pointing at the 496 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.559 you know, the the Supreme Court, which he says, hey, listen, 497 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.759 Supreme Court shot me down. I'm very disappointed, but I'm 498 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.680 just gonna go ahead and reinstate the tariffs again. All 499 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.640 of this tracks. I don't see why there's any shocks, surprise, 500 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:30.720 or even interest in watching it, So I don't blame 501 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.960 you for not watching it. But at the same time, 502 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.559 I'm confused by the you know, still insistence of people 503 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.680 about complaining about what you know. It's like saying, man, 504 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.160 I'm gonna be real pissed when the sun comes up tomorrow. 505 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.160 This is just what's going to happen now. And the 506 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.519 only objection I have in your whole set of statements 507 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.359 really is you really think he's not going to try 508 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.480 for a third term. You really think that's not going 509 00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:02.000 to happen one way or another. Seriously, No, I don't 510 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:02.240 think so. 511 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:03.720 I don't think his health is gonna let him do it. 512 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.000 I'll really go. 513 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.119 Do you think that'll be the loan factor that prevents it. 514 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.720 Oh that or somebody eventually ends up successful in trying 515 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:19.279 to shoot him. 516 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:22.720 That's another weird point saying, oh. 517 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.160 He's setting things up so that he can take control 518 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:30.640 and make this to an authoritarian state. Well, you know, 519 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.680 we're already in authoritarian state. It's just that we switch 520 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.480 sides as to who's the authority, you. 521 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.359 Know, fair enough for years, fair enough. 522 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.839 I don't know. I don't think he's gonna try. 523 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.359 You know, I hate to kick people back into reality, 524 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.480 But here's something about those assassination attempts that people are 525 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:50.200 missing again in that reporting, because there was in the meantime, 526 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:53.240 yet again another alleged attempt on his life at more 527 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:58.319 a lago. Right in reality, it has actually been, as 528 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.200 far as what we publicly know, a fairly low amount 529 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.720 of assassination attempts on this guy that have come to 530 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.200 any sort of anything. Because if you track back and 531 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.440 realistically look at maybe what the media didn't cover, but 532 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.880 if you take a look back at Secret Service records, 533 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.759 and you take a look back at stuff that they 534 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.519 have memorialized in publicly accessible documents, quite honestly, he has 535 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.440 not had a high frequency of attempts on him, as 536 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:30.240 opposed to some of our very recent presidents, including Bush 537 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.200 and Obama. Guess what now, I don't know Biden's assassination 538 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.880 attempt record. I mean, you know, there is such a 539 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.200 thing as beating a dead horse or shooting a corpse. 540 00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:43.279 I guess, so no point there. But I don't know 541 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:48.319 the statistics. But so far from what I can observe 542 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.480 from Trump's first term and this one, even what we 543 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:59.720 know publicly is actually relatively non eventful. There's always assassination 544 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.279 against our president, every single one of them. There have 545 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.599 been attempts. Sometimes, you know, stupidity blocks the assassination attempt. 546 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.039 Occasionally the Secret Service takes care of it. Sometimes accidental 547 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.440 things happen. Sometimes a guy shows up with, you know, 548 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.000 a semi automatic rifle at the White House, goes all 549 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.079 the way in the residence and the guy's not home. 550 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:25.640 That's happened a few times. Okay, just saying, given our history, 551 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.480 to be honest with you, he hasn't even suffered a 552 00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.440 relatively high amount of incidents when it comes to this 553 00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.680 so far. But you know, then again, everybody's telling me 554 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.599 that a civil war is coming, So what do I know? 555 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.200 So would you mind moving to the next topic, because 556 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.519 now I've totally forgotten it. Was it shakiri yet or 557 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:44.839 are we onto something else next? 558 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:52.319 No, all the all the purmoil in the UK and 559 00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.279 they've just had an election. They've got, you know, people 560 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:01.839 are fighting for Islam. Took offense to him and threatened him. 561 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:07.640 So he's in the state by the way red car 562 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.240 at one Miami airport. He had to go to another 563 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.680 airport so that he could use his debit card because 564 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:13.200 he's been. 565 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.680 Deb m So we have the controversy in the UK, 566 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.759 which I find fascinating because the main thrust of that 567 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.039 over here is, uh, this guy had to go because 568 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.920 Epstein Poof. This guy had to go because Prince whatever 569 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.880 the hell was over there actually involved with Epstein and 570 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.079 now is no longer a prince whatever his new name 571 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:40.759 is Poof. You know, it's interesting. There's like more Andrew 572 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:46.200 Andrew sorry this Andrew Baton windsor thank you. But there's 573 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:51.599 more fallout in Great Britain over the Epstein thing than 574 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.000 there is in the US. Honestly when it comes to 575 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:55.799 people in power. 576 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.559 Yeah, I don't know there and neck about neck and 577 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:06.599 neck because we had what Larry Summers stepped down. Oh crap, 578 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.000 there was somebody else that just somebody with one of 579 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:17.200 the financial firms just stepped down. Hillary Clinton's lawyer or no, no, 580 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.119 Obama's legal advisor in the White House just had to 581 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.039 step down from whatever, uh financial institution she was working for. 582 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.720 So the funny thing is though in the UK they're 583 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:34.279 going after uh, the former prints because of him using 584 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:40.519 trade data, uh, giving it to Epstein and possibly influencing markets. Uh. 585 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.759 There was also a lot of emails covering when Libya 586 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.039 fell and Epstein was talking to people about you know, 587 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.079 how can we how can we benefit off this monetarily? 588 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.559 What do we need to do? And apparently Andrew was 589 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.880 giving him info then on trade deals and and certain 590 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.000 information that was supposed to not be public, but come 591 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.160 to find out through emails, the now king his brother 592 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:11.000 knew about this. So they arrested Andrew. He got out 593 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:15.039 on bail. They're investigating him funneled. Funny that they're not 594 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.279 doing much in the way of investigating him towards the 595 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:23.079 Virginia Giuffrey situation, which I fell into a rabbit hole 596 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.680 this week, and also I'll fill you in on but 597 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.440 they're going after him for this business deal thing. Now, 598 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.359 if the King knew about it, that's where they're starting 599 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.920 to say, Okay, well, what are you going to do? 600 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.319 We already have evidence that the King knew that his 601 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.400 brother was pulling this shit, didn't do anything about it, 602 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.680 didn't do anything until recently by stripping his titles. Are 603 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:48.400 we going to drag the king into it? And is 604 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.799 he going to have to step down which will then 605 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:55.279 bring in the golden child William. So it's interesting to 606 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.799 see how this was going to play out well kind of. 607 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.119 But on the other hand, I was reminded this week 608 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.880 from somebody who actually got, you know, the archive of 609 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.559 a whole lot of MP three's from the earlier shows 610 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.960 of the Ocelli Effect. They were like, wait a minute, 611 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.719 you were talking about this stuff that these people are 612 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.239 stepping down about ten years ago, and I go, thank you, 613 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.199 but it's twelve and yeah, I know, but nobody wanted 614 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.199 to listen because it was just you know, the kookie 615 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:27.800 conspiracy guy. But the reality is that a whole bunch 616 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.159 of this stuff back, yeah, goodhead. 617 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:35.519 Back in back in two thousand, yeah, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, 618 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.239 when this stuff was coming out. It just got ignored, 619 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.360 which you know you're hearing part of that in the 620 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.360 debate on this side of the pond when it comes 621 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.880 to well, oh, everybody in the Obamama administration knew about this, 622 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.840 but they do didn't do anything about it. Yeah, Harvey Weinstein, 623 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.239 everybody in Hollywood knew what the hell was going on 624 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.639 there for twenty years and didn't say it, damn think 625 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.840 till he finally got busted. I mean, he's crazy. 626 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.039 Yeah, But that's the funny thing is that everybody scoffs 627 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.480 at the outcry people and the people to connect the 628 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.280 dots until what they get confirmation from the bias institution 629 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.920 they want to hear it from. And that's the funny 630 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.280 thing where Okay, you know, for a while there it 631 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.119 was nobody but the conspiracy people and a couple of 632 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.280 people that were involved in things directly, and believe it 633 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.199 or not, like him or not, Ed Opperman was directly 634 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.239 involved in some of those cases, which is why I 635 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:33.639 had him on talking around some of them because he 636 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.599 couldn't disclose stuff that he had signed paperwork on, but 637 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.880 he was letting certain things be known. Okay, so when 638 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.800 did I start having him on twenty fourteen. Sorry, I 639 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:48.719 didn't take the podcast live till twenty fourteen. Anyway, that's 640 00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.159 when I was talking about it with people that you know, 641 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.840 had some information as best we could gather it. And 642 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:59.039 that was without any of these you know files. Okay, 643 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.519 these files now vindicate a whole bunch of stuff that 644 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.840 we were told we were crazy about talking about. So now, 645 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.280 the funny thing is the right wing fringe media picked 646 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.039 up on it for a little while because they thought 647 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.880 it paired nicely with Pizzagate, which you know, still to 648 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:18.280 this day is remarkable to me that with no proof, 649 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.679 we're going to keep insisting that happened, just because of 650 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.679 weirdness and because people are you know. And the funny 651 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.159 part is there are patterns of discussion in some of 652 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.599 the Epstein files that are still being ignored, that are 653 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:38.559 coded okay, like there is a whole Pizzagate type thing happening, 654 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.039 but it ain't Pizzagate in the Epstein files. And yeah, 655 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.360 I talked about it years ago and nobody's talking about 656 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:45.920 it yet and nobody wants to hear it from me. 657 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.239 So am I gonna take all my time and invest 658 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.199 into No, But the funny thing is right wing fringe 659 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.119 media picked up on it because it paired nicely with 660 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:56.719 Pizzagate and they could go after the Democrats. Then it 661 00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.639 was found out that you know who your golden boy is. 662 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.159 That's an in all this, I mean practically, it's not 663 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.400 like Trump is in the Epstein files. It's like Epstein 664 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.639 is in the Trump files. It's like who got their 665 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.719 peanut butter in my chocolate? Or but their chocolate and 666 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.239 my peanut butter over there. This guy is all sorts 667 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.079 of involved with him. People in his cabinet are involved 668 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.280 with him, and nope, paying no attention to that. Uh, 669 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:23.119 from the other side. And now the left wingers, but 670 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.559 the left wingers who are completely hip. Wait, wait, wait, 671 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:27.320 let me get to the hypocrisy of the left. Don't 672 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.000 cut me off until I balance it. The hypocrisy of 673 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.639 the left is they didn't give a damn about any 674 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.519 of it until it pointed in the right direction, the 675 00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.599 same as the right wing. And now we are literally 676 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:44.440 witnessing this circus of an oversight committee yelling at people 677 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.519 and then not answering questions, yelling back, and it is 678 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:53.119 a completely incongruous and nonsense conversation. I mean, it is 679 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.360 like the clown shoes have taken over the entire circus 680 00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:58.840 and that's all there is to it. And then there's 681 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.320 a lot of people out there going, well, what about 682 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:06.559 the actual crimes. Yeah, nobody's getting prosecuted, and Galaine has 683 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:11.119 puppy time in her minimum security situation for being a 684 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.559 sex trafficker. And that's the funny thing is that trafficking, 685 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.599 which is funny to me, also has changed in its terminology. 686 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.519 Wait a minute, it's changed in its terminology because now 687 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:27.440 even simple prostitution is being called trafficking, which convolutes the 688 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:31.960 whole issue and makes it into something else. But meanwhile, 689 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.880 who's getting prosecuted, who's getting taken to task? Is anybody 690 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.039 going to ask for yet another deposition from Trump or 691 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.079 anybody else in the cabinet whose name is in the files? 692 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.159 And you can also find Jackie the joke Man in 693 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.239 those files, by the way, if you want to just 694 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.760 go for name recognition. But it is amazing to me 695 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.719 the like pick your poison, as far as what you're 696 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.679 not going to pay attention to regarding this thing. And 697 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.000 it's an issue being kicked around constantly, and that's all 698 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.119 it's gonna be. I'm sorry, to say, guys, they are 699 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.480 going to neutralize this by confusion. That's it, and it's 700 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.519 gonna be for the benefit of guess what, everybody in power, 701 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.920 everybody who had dirt on them, and nobody's gonna finally 702 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.239 talk about any of the stuff that is still valid 703 00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.960 as all sorts of blackmail that nobody seems to know 704 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.800 where it is. They can't show it, you know, on 705 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.519 and on and on. So But meanwhile, cash Pateel can 706 00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:31.760 go party with the hockey team in Italy when they win. 707 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.199 I mean, he's got time for that, and he can 708 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:37.440 jet over there do that. But yeah, somebody solved this. No, 709 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.199 they're not going to is my whole thing? Go ahead, 710 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:41.800 say whatever you want. I'm done. 711 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.360 Well, all I was going to say is this whole 712 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.119 Epstein file thing is just show. 713 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:55.519 I'm not messing with it. 714 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.599 Disingenuous get to the left. They're realizing that that people 715 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.159 are stepping down. Most of these people that have stepped 716 00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:06.679 down from positions have been die hard liberals all time. 717 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.480 They're stepping down and they're you know, fading back into 718 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.519 the shadows. One thing that irritates me, though, is you've 719 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.519 got people like Thomas Massey, I agree with him on 720 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.159 a lot of his stuff in fighting the bullshit that 721 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.039 the Republicans have been pulling for years trying to say 722 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.559 they're looking out for you, and they're not. But Massey 723 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:31.719 has just made this massive little cult following him and 724 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:36.199 Marjorie Taylor Green, although she's not there anymore. She got 725 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:41.039 her damn retirement and hauled ass, so screw her. But 726 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.559 these two have gotten together and formed this little cult 727 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.400 over Oh, yes, the names, the names. You know, Massey 728 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:49.599 has been saying for what four months now, I've got 729 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.199 a list of ten or twenty people that they are 730 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.119 not going to release, and I'm going to release. Well, 731 00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.159 they released four names and people with nuts over it, 732 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:01.000 and come to find out people were getting docs who 733 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.360 were simply in a lineup that was used for one 734 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.000 of these I think it was when Epstein was arrested 735 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:12.400 the second time they had some lineup information. Anyway, come 736 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:13.960 to find out two of the guys that were using 737 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.960 the lineup didn't even know who the hell Epstein was. 738 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.400 One of them was an auto mechanic in New York 739 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:22.159 or something. Anyway, he puts these names out there, the 740 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.280 names that he's put out there. You and I both 741 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.320 knew back in twenty fourteen. It's nothing new, but they're 742 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.760 trying to make some big damn headline out of it. 743 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:36.519 And it's like, I told you there is no list. 744 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.639 What if we found out there is no list. I've 745 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.880 told you. Epstein this whole time was not working for Mosad, 746 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.320 and Epstein was working for himself. Now, he had a 747 00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.639 lot of clients, He had a lot of customers for 748 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:55.920 the crap he had, including the CIA, the FBI, MOSAD, 749 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.519 every other intelligence agency that had the money could go 750 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.000 to Epste and get whatever the hell they wanted. He 751 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.719 was working for himself. This is not some huge Jewish 752 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.760 cabal that is running the world, and they put Epstein 753 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:14.039 out there. Epstein above all else was worried about Epstein, 754 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.519 and Epstein was working for himself. I don't care what 755 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:19.599 anybody says. You're never going to get me to change 756 00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:23.559 my mind. Now on the letting the files out there, 757 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:30.119 I don't understand why they can't sit down and redact 758 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:33.400 whatever Victim's name victim and I put that in quotes 759 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.280 because you can redact that. But why are we getting 760 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.719 emails from Epstein that has somebody else redacted? When you 761 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.599 read the information in the body of the email. They say, Oh, well, 762 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.719 it's to protect the privacy of people who were innocent. Well, 763 00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.199 how in the hell do you know if they're innocent. 764 00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.880 Put their damn names out there and let these people 765 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.280 start investigating this crap, because it's going to be the 766 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.239 independent guys out there digging holes, one of which I 767 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.199 came across the other day that got into this whole 768 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.960 Virgin give your Geffrey thing, and how her story has 769 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.239 changed twenty times since the beginning, and every time it changed, 770 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:21.320 money was changed hands. So you know, I see a victim. 771 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.239 According to some of the stuff I've read in the 772 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.559 past week, she was just as guilty as the rest 773 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.239 of them. She was just as bad as EPs. She 774 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.280 was making her money off bringing her friends in and 775 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.480 letting them get paid, and she was getting a cut, 776 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.559 plain and simple. Epstein had the money to burn, and 777 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.639 he burned it. Also read some information on his first 778 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.960 case down in Florida and what the legal wranglings were 779 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:53.199 behind that. And I'll tell you what, that guy he 780 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.000 got set up big time, big time. And not only 781 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.000 did they set him up, but they set him up 782 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.440 purposely to tell him we'll create a list of people 783 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.719 that we say are victims, and we're going to allow 784 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.000 those people to sue you. In fact, we're even going 785 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.239 to provide lawyers to cover them to take care of 786 00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.239 suing you. And then we're going to build you for 787 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:19.199 the damnly eagle fees. That's how bad he got hit 788 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.199 over a dan pandering charge. Okay, plain and simple. Well 789 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.800 that was a railroad, and you can see from then 790 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.000 how things got so screwed up. 791 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:33.760 See, sometimes people get railroaded, Sometimes people get railroaded after 792 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.400 they escaped, a lot of other things. And here's what's 793 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.760 interesting about this whole Epstein saga. And I'll just put 794 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.840 a punctuation on this and hopefully we can move to 795 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.239 the next thing. But here's the parts that I guaranteed 796 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.199 you haven't looked at, which is the casual discussions of torture, 797 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:57.039 porn being exchanged, and you know, and cannibalism possibly occurring 798 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.199 in emails along with along with you know, listen, here's 799 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.519 the list of innocent names we're not going to publish 800 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.559 being published because of the absolute chaos with which nobody 801 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.280 knows how to redact. You know, it's like they were 802 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.199 expert as far as keeping you know, parts of files 803 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.480 redacted from us for many, many decades regarding JFK stuff 804 00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:24.039 until they weren't. And you know, it seems like, I 805 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.280 don't know, maybe your girl Tulsa over there is not 806 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.280 the best head or needs to hire better people, because 807 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.840 she doesn't even have people knowing how to sort these 808 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.360 things properly, apparently missing deadlines and not dropping the files 809 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:41.320 like they're supposed to, and releasing the wrong stuff and 810 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:47.719 hilariously supposed Yeah, well that's true, that is true on 811 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.760 top of true. But she can only also do what 812 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.039 she knows how to do. And I don't believe for 813 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.840 a second that she knows how to handle a massive 814 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.559 amount of data like this. Okay, I just don't see 815 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.079 it in her skill set based on what we know 816 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:09.880 about her history. It doesn't. I mean, miraculous organizer. 817 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:12.880 Nobody is. I'm going to take up from a girl here. 818 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.719 Nobody has the ability to handle the amount of data 819 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.000 that they're trying to handle and shove through a funnel 820 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.480 into the public eye. You know, And I'm sure there 821 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.639 has been some heated discussions in the background as to 822 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:31.280 what's going on now. If I were and they said, oh, 823 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:33.480 we're gonna let doll. We're gonna let Tolsa Gabbert, head 824 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.519 of National Security, handle this. I'd have said, wait a minute, 825 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:42.119 ain't my job. Here's what we're going to do. Each 826 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:47.599 individual department is going to handle their corrections or redactions, 827 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.360 whatever the hell you want to call it, and we're 828 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.199 going to put this shit out there. They haven't even 829 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.360 got the JFK files out there. They were supposed to 830 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.000 do that years ago. Now we're worried about this massive 831 00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:00.239 amount of data, and folks, there may be a of 832 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.119 a lot more because what has come out is Epstein 833 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.400 cleared out a lot of places and had shit put 834 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:09.960 into storage, and they're still trying to track down the 835 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:13.119 storage units where all these shit's boxed up. So you 836 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.800 think there's six million files now, there may be another 837 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.559 six million files come out before it's all said and done. 838 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:20.840 This is not going to end anytime soon. 839 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:21.639 It's going to be. 840 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:23.880 Drug on for years. It's going to be argued about 841 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.960 for years. But the thing is, oh and about Gallaine Maxwell. 842 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.159 Have you seen the footage on X where somebody was 843 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:36.480 walking down the street and recognized a woman and called 844 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:41.320 her by name, and she turned and said, excuse me, 845 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.760 what have you seen that, yet that woman ain't in jail. 846 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.000 That's why when you mentioned puppy time, I wanted to 847 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.679 break in and say, might not be puppy time for Galline. 848 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.239 It might be puppy time for someone that looks an 849 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.000 awful lot like Michael o' myers when it gets up 850 00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:56.519 in the morning. 851 00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:00.559 Could be. But here's the funny thing and why the 852 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.920 defense of Tulsey, I'm sorry, still fails if she is 853 00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.280 not capable of doing the whole job. I get it, 854 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.440 because there are many jobs where you could be the 855 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.320 responsible party for running somethings. That's why they make you 856 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.320 the head of it. In order to create something. If 857 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.480 you had to build a house, you wouldn't do it 858 00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.039 single handedly usually I know men have done that in 859 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.159 the past. But in order to do it efficiently, quickly 860 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.800 and with good skills intact on all aspects of construction, 861 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.360 you would bring in people that know how to do 862 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.039 those things, and you would assemble a proper team. And 863 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:40.440 that clearly was not done. So the head of National 864 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.480 Security did not assemble or oversee a team. 865 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.559 Time out, Okay, time out? 866 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:47.159 Sure? 867 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.079 How do you know she didn't try and was kept 868 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.960 from doing it? I mean, plain and simple. Think of 869 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.360 it this way. She's the guy that's the contractor building 870 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.320 the house. She's got a sub who does all the framing. 871 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:08.119 Case Cash, Ptel, and the FBI or above here the 872 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:13.480 company that owes that subcontractor, the Department of Justice and 873 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:18.320 Pam Bondi. Now she goes to Cash and says, I 874 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.559 want this, and Cash says no and goes run into Pam, 875 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.079 and Pam says no. Part of the problem that you're 876 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.400 dealing with here is Pam Bondy in her position, not 877 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.480 being able to get all those agencies under the Justice 878 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.679 Department to do what the hell they're supposed to do. Now, 879 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.639 I don't know, I've heard there have been some rumblings 880 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.480 between Tulsi and a few of these people in front 881 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.440 in charge of these other things. And that's the problem 882 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.599 that you're seeing. She's you know, yes, you're right, she 883 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:49.079 should have hired the people to come in. We don't 884 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.840 know that she didn't. And the DOJ and the FBI 885 00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.679 all said, oh, hell no, no you're not. That's something 886 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.199 you have to take into consideration. Oh yeah, because Pam 887 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:01.599 Bondi and Patrick and Cash to tell I don't understand 888 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:06.119 why they're still employed, let alone in this administration. I'm 889 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.159 surprised they haven't had their ass fired and then nobody 890 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:10.400 would hire them later on. 891 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.239 Listen, that's how bad he's gott. I totally agree with 892 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.039 you on those two, but put that aside for a second. 893 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:22.760 I'm sorry Tulci fails because if she were an adequate 894 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.400 enough head there, she could figure out how to work 895 00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:29.519 around that. I mean, do you think anybody that accomplished anything, 896 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:33.239 whether for nefarious or positive reasons, in the past, did 897 00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:36.559 it with just the best people available to them right away. No, 898 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.440 Sometimes they had to go outside, Sometimes they had to 899 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.760 get innovative, sometimes they had to import training. 900 00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:47.719 Or about this though, yeah. 901 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:47.760 Think about what s her job? 902 00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:50.320 What is her position? Head of National Security? Correct? 903 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.800 Correct? Right? 904 00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.280 Okay, let's see who makes up the intelligence agency. The 905 00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:03.280 most egotistical, hard hit headed assholes in government work for 906 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:10.440 the NSA, the CIA, Naval Intelligence, Army intelligence, all of 907 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:15.639 these what seven intelligence agencies that come under the NSA. 908 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.400 She's got to deal with them, people like Clapper and Brennan. 909 00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.679 So she doesn't have the easiest job to do considering 910 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.559 the assholes she has to work with. Oh, true, they're 911 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:27.960 the most. 912 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.199 I'm true, true, absolutely true. 913 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.039 Level of government. I like to test people to a 914 00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:37.599 certain amount. But those those three letter agencies under the 915 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.119 NSA are the ones I have the biggest problem. 916 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.519 With, well right, seventeen of them that we know of, 917 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:47.360 plus the ancillary adjunct pieces of other agencies like, for instance, 918 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.519 you know you got NASA. Well, NASA has an intelligence, 919 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.039 you know, our apparatus to it, et cetera, et cetera. 920 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.840 So I mean you have an immensely complex maze of 921 00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:02.039 possible moronic idiots in in the frame. No problem, all true. 922 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:05.239 But with that being the case, and the fact that 923 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.280 we haven't just you know, self inflicted wounded our asses 924 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.800 off of the planet already, with all these you know, 925 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:15.280 jabbering monkeys in place, it must mean that that something 926 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.480 gets accomplished from time to time. But she has failed 927 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.320 to bring together the right group of people that could 928 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.679 have overseen this whole thing and could become because every 929 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:28.480 time she gets consulted and then not talked about again, 930 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.119 even though she I'm just saying, listen, you want to 931 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.440 defend her, you're gonna I could come back and answer 932 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.199 you again with you know, look, this is how you 933 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.760 innovate and fix. And we know that none of these 934 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.199 people operate according to the standards that we know of 935 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:46.559 in public majority of the time, for good or bad reasons. 936 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.199 It just is. So we'll just call that one a 937 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.199 stalemate and leave it at that. But I gotta tell you, 938 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.199 I still will stick to my position and you'll probably 939 00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.480 stick to yours. What was the next thing on your 940 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:04.440 list though? Are we getting to shakiri? Oh? 941 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:04.639 No? 942 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.119 Right before number four was the Bohemian Grove list from 943 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.239 twenty twenty three, from. 944 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:20.440 Twenty twenty three. That's interesting. Clue, Yeah, I'm here, you're hearing, yes, okay, 945 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.920 so the thing is okay, Bohemian Grove from twenty twenty three. 946 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.039 You're saying, well, I. 947 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:31.800 Was gonna say, yes, twenty twenty three. And that's something 948 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:33.920 I hate out them statistic You know, even when you 949 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:36.159 try to look up something and this is twenty twenty six, 950 00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:43.719 but for a lot of population and demographic information and 951 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.280 taxo and DP you look at. 952 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:56.159 This date, well, okay, you can. 953 00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:59.320 Find is roughly two years twenty five. Their heart is 954 00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.400 held to find, but the most recent stuff is twenty 955 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:04.920 twenty three. This is kind of the same thing. Yes, 956 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:09.239 was going on three years ago the attendance list, and 957 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:10.199 I haven't had a chance. 958 00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:10.920 It's a long. 959 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:17.440 List if I had had to just go and see 960 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:18.360 exactly who was there. 961 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:23.760 Okay, but here's the reality in collecting data. Instantaneous collection 962 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:27.840 of data is not done by human beings. If you 963 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.920 rely on instantaneous collection and the numerical values of those things, 964 00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.880 guess what you're trusting a computer to do all the work. 965 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.079 And therefore a lot of nuance is not understand understood 966 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:48.079 even with AI as it exists right now. So, and 967 00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.480 this is always my argument to people when they're cheering 968 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.119 or they're screaming about, oh, we know this is happening 969 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.800 right now, this is absolutely solid numbers. Actually, you're lying 970 00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:00.519 to yourselves always because those numbers don't settle down. There 971 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.400 are always corrections and adjustments which need to be made 972 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:08.719 because there were misunderstandings in the collection. There was misunderstandings 973 00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.320 in the data entry, whether a computer or a human 974 00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:15.159 being did it. So unless you're dealing with statistics that 975 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.880 are a couple of years old and settled, guess what 976 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.360 you're dealing with estimations that are based on a whole 977 00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.880 bunch of premises that are not settled. So yeah, that's 978 00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.719 the reality of that. So sorry, And I'm not surprised 979 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:33.239 that it would take until twenty twenty three to you know, 980 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.920 from then to now to actually verify and vet the 981 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:40.880 names on the list so that you're not making an error. 982 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.840 It takes them three years to tell you about it, 983 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.199 and people go, see, he held it for three years. 984 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:48.639 He's lying. Either way, people will take it as they're 985 00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:52.639 either being disingenuous or lying when they delay statistics when 986 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.719 the truth is in order to get real solid, confirmed numbers, 987 00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:01.719 it's not done instantaneously. I can never understand these arguments. 988 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.239 It drives me crazy because people go, oh, well, what 989 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.760 about this year's numbers, Well, this year isn't over yet, 990 00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.719 so you have estimate, you know what I mean, Like 991 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.360 a lot of things can happen. I'm sure in two 992 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.480 thousand and one people did not expect a bunch of 993 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:22.280 shifts in public attitudes and behaviors. You know, going into August, 994 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.440 they had an idea about the way two thousand and 995 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.719 one was going to turn out. Then September eleventh happened. 996 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.239 You know what I'm saying. You might think you know 997 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:32.320 what the production is going to be and what people's 998 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:33.960 lives are going to be like in a certain part 999 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:36.159 of a country or in a country in general. And 1000 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:40.199 then as tsunami hits it, there are things that occur 1001 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.079 that disrupt the estimation and projection. So you have to 1002 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:48.480 wait for things to actually occur, and then for the 1003 00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.519 data to be collected, and then for the data to 1004 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:56.840 be you know, just looked over, actually verified, And people 1005 00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:00.440 don't understand that does take time, even with computer and 1006 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.960 try to use them. Even if you let the computer 1007 00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.840 do it, you've got to have you know, human human 1008 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.679 interaction here to double check it because guess what occasionally 1009 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:14.199 do to data error entry mistakes by people, The computers 1010 00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:15.920 make a mistake, and then you've got to go back 1011 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.159 and readjust it. All kinds of anomalies come up in 1012 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:21.840 collecting things. This is why it drives me nuts when 1013 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.599 people are like, you know, do this math now, and 1014 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:29.559 it's like, look, that can't be done accurately. So I'm 1015 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:32.000 not surprised that it takes that long. Now, how relevant 1016 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.639 do you think? This is my ultimate question? How long 1017 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:38.760 do you do you think is it relevant anymore? Actually 1018 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.639 what's going on at Bohemian growth? Do you think that's 1019 00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:46.599 still one of those elite super secret but yet we 1020 00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.599 know about it kind of meeting places like the Builder 1021 00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:52.719 Like you don't hear much about Builderberg. Now, Alex Jones 1022 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:56.360 certainly isn't talking about Builderberg anymore, is he? It was 1023 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.760 his obsession for many years, but he's not talking about 1024 00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:00.760 it at all anymore. Matter of fact, I don't think 1025 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.079 Alex Jones brings up Boheming Grove anymore. Huh. I wonder why, 1026 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.079 because that was supposed to be the center of the universe, 1027 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:11.920 of the grand conspiracies of all and so I'm just curious. 1028 00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:13.800 I mean, I'm not saying I agree with Alex Jones, 1029 00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.719 but I'm wondering, from your point of view, how relevant 1030 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.559 is the weird little queer meeting out in the woods 1031 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:25.480 of powerful and rich men in California there, Because that's 1032 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:27.679 the way I see it. Let's dress up and let's 1033 00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:31.599 you know, a cremate care and chant and run around 1034 00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.440 and dresses and do this all in secret in the 1035 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:39.400 woods for you know, our vacation time alone. A bunch 1036 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:42.079 of guys running around in the woods, and some things 1037 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.639 happen that are not exactly heterosexual. Just saying, how relevant 1038 00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.159 is that to the circles of power and actually the 1039 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.679 true power structure in the country, in the world at 1040 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:55.719 this point in your mind, be Pete, what do you think? 1041 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.159 Is it relevant anymore? Is it a relic of the past, 1042 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:00.840 Is it a joke? What do you think? 1043 00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:04.519 I think it's a relic of the past in a 1044 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:09.440 lot of senses. But it's comparable to the Epstein Files. 1045 00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:11.760 Now that these things are being released and people are 1046 00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:17.880 reading what rich weird people do with their money, it 1047 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.719 would be similar in that here we have a bunch 1048 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.880 of elite, rich guys going into the woods for a hour, 1049 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.960 many long days it last, I don't know, but the 1050 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:32.440 stories that would come out of there would show you 1051 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:38.159 that rich weird guys doing weird shit with their money. 1052 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.639 In the Epstein Files also goes on there, maybe to 1053 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:45.079 a smaller degree. Anytime you get that people with that 1054 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.840 much money and a bunch of I mean, you've got egos, 1055 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.800 you've got fetishes, you've got shit in the closet, You've 1056 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:56.079 got all sorts of stuff going on that people don't 1057 00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.280 hear about every day. They're starting to get a glimpse 1058 00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:59.960 of what some of these people did through the Episod 1059 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.920 files and what their hobbies were I mean Bill Gates, 1060 01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:06.280 look at him. The story on Bill Gates has done 1061 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.000 a one eighty from years ago. Oh he's this guy 1062 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:11.800 that came up in his garage with his operating system, 1063 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.920 and he was a brilliant guy. And then he switched 1064 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.559 into the we want to make a fake everything, so 1065 01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.239 we don't have cows and we don't have butter, and 1066 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.519 we don't have this. And I got guys in a 1067 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:26.639 lab working on all this mad science to shit, and 1068 01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:28.840 then we have COVID come out, we find out what 1069 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.679 happened with the vaccines. I think Bohemian Grove would just 1070 01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:37.039 be another chapter in weird rich people doing shit that 1071 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.480 they can't do anywhere else because they get in trouble 1072 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:39.840 for it. 1073 01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.440 That's where it is, That's what it is. But if 1074 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:45.800 that's the case, then really what we're looking at is 1075 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.119 just a you know, a getaway weekend for the elite 1076 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.199 and bizarre. You know, those that have become bored with 1077 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.920 all of the natural pleasures out there, so now they 1078 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:59.599 seek the unnatural and supernatural. You know, maybe that's all 1079 01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:00.000 it is. 1080 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.920 Wonder though, Well, but think about this. I saw a 1081 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:07.840 picture of Clarence Thomas that was supposedly a Bohemian grove. Now, 1082 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.760 Clarence is a wheeler dealer, he's you know, he's the 1083 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.800 sense oh what's his name died, Scalia died. You know, 1084 01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.559 Clarence is the conservative rock on that side of the 1085 01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.880 of the court. And it's like he's got a guy, 1086 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:28.840 a friend of his is that takes him to all 1087 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:33.280 these places, expensive vacations, a motor home and this and that. 1088 01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.159 And you wonder what it is about Bohemian Grove that 1089 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:42.280 would interest somebody like Clarence Thomas. You know, you think 1090 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.719 about it. Is it just rubbing elbows with you know, 1091 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.559 rich people? And you can sit down that I'm not 1092 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.000 a judge, You're not a corporate magnet. You know, we're 1093 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:54.440 just out here having a good time. Or does Clarence 1094 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:56.079 have a whole bunch of shit in the closet. We 1095 01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.800 don't know about that. We'll probably never know about. But 1096 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:02.039 you know it's free kingdg weekend at the Bowiemian Grove. 1097 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.280 It makes you wonder, well, look remember from the Anita 1098 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.920 Hill thing. You know, who the hell starts talking about 1099 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.760 pubic hairs on a coke? Can you know what I mean? 1100 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.960 So strange proclivities are in play. As far as I'm concerned, 1101 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.480 whether you believe any of that stuff or not, it's 1102 01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:19.039 kind of weird that they would make up weirdness for him. 1103 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.960 Number one. Number two, I think it's actually not all 1104 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.760 that bizarre or sophisticated. It's two things. Look, a guy 1105 01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:30.280 who's gonna have business before the court definitely would like 1106 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.239 to have a friendly judge there, that is, you know, 1107 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:37.159 super friendly to him. And I think, you know, Thomas 1108 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:41.800 is simply not immune to the allure of free vacations, 1109 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.280 because this guy, when he was asked about a bunch 1110 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.440 of this stuff pretty much you know, snapped immediately, no 1111 01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:51.199 lawyer's advice, said, Look, you know, the guy offered me 1112 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:53.519 trips and stuff, why wouldn't I go When he was 1113 01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.400 asked about other trips, you know, the hunting trip or whatever, 1114 01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.719 even though he doesn't hunt. You know, this getaway out 1115 01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:03.199 of lake on an island that you know, happens to 1116 01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:06.800 have its own lake and isn't on any normal maps anywhere, 1117 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.440 doesn't even have a name. All this kind of stuff. 1118 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.920 And whether they gave him a trip to Bohemian Grove 1119 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:14.360 or they gave him a trip to Vegas, what's the 1120 01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:18.800 difference maybe he just, hey, free vacation, let's go. Why not. 1121 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.960 Maybe he's just you know, frugal and by the way, 1122 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:25.079 I would take a free trip to Vegas. I'm not 1123 01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:28.760 sure if I would go to Beemian Grove, but maybe 1124 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.239 just to see what the hell is going on and 1125 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:35.000 be sworn to secrecy and whatnot, so long as I 1126 01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:39.519 don't have any mandatory participation attached to that trip, you know, 1127 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:41.840 or anything else. I mean, I'll go to Vegas. It 1128 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:45.119 doesn't mean I gotta get hookers and blow and you know, 1129 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.280 and blow my whatever money I have, which wouldn't be much, 1130 01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.679 take me about two minutes. But I mean, you know, 1131 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.599 would I turn down the free trip and hotel room. 1132 01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:58.000 I don't know. Maybe not, especially if it's you know, 1133 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.960 gonna make them friendly in the future for things I 1134 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.440 might want to do or my wife might want to do. 1135 01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:06.400 Uh you know, hey, look, this guy can supply my 1136 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:08.599 wife with cool stuff. So you know, what he offered 1137 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:11.159 me a free trip, I should be friendly and accept it. 1138 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.559 I don't know, but I don't think it's all that complicated. 1139 01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:16.800 I think it's actually just something as simple as that. 1140 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:22.840 What are your thoughts, man, I don't know. 1141 01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:26.199 I would think. You know, I can see one to 1142 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:28.119 go for a guy's weekend. We're gonna hang out, we're 1143 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.800 gonna do some silly shit, we're gonna have fun. Okay, fine, 1144 01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.519 but I don't I don't see what the fascination is 1145 01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:37.440 with these people that attend. 1146 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:39.440 It's it's the cultural. 1147 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.840 Personality all over again. You know people that are up 1148 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:47.440 there that other people seem to have these cult feelings for, Well, 1149 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:51.000 they're a little cult among themselves. You know, hey, I 1150 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.280 rubbed elbows with three presidents two x you know, presidents 1151 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.400 of major banks. And okay, fine, you know, well, hey' 1152 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.679 all next week where I'm going fly fishing with one 1153 01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:05.840 of them. Great, that's fine, But I just I don't know. 1154 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.159 I've really not had any interest in it. It's just 1155 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:13.000 to me, another example of rich weird people getting together 1156 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:14.880 to do stuff with other rich weird people. 1157 01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:18.159 Well, right, But then again, a guy who doesn't necessarily 1158 01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.679 have to be weird, although I think Clarence Thomas is 1159 01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:24.800 pretty well off. But even if he was or wasn't irrelevant. 1160 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:28.719 I mean, if you and I just doing this radio show, right, 1161 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:32.280 somebody said, listen, I know that you guys are going 1162 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.480 to be you know, covering news stories about us in 1163 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:36.199 the next few weeks and all that, But put that 1164 01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:39.719 aside for a moment. What would be a mutually acceptable 1165 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.559 thing for you and me? How about like a massive 1166 01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:45.440 music festival where there's a whole lot of bands where 1167 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.199 you know, you and I could pick from Colin Ay 1168 01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:49.679 and Colin be Boy. I'd love to see them again live, 1169 01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.559 or these are people I think have been fascinating, or 1170 01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:55.880 we're never going to be able to see these groups again. Whatever. 1171 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.320 Let's think about a twenty twenty six version of Live 1172 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.800 Aid that's going to be all day concert. Right. If 1173 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.679 somebody said, we'll send you to where that is, put 1174 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.400 you up in the hotel where the musicians are gonna 1175 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:13.039 be and give you backstage passes just because we like you. 1176 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:14.639 You and I might look at that and go for 1177 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:17.840 free for real, And they might say, yeah, and would 1178 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.320 you go? I might, And I don't care if it 1179 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:22.360 was Elon Musk that offered it to me, even though 1180 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:25.559 I believe he's going to be partially responsible for destroying 1181 01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:29.760 the world at some point. But even if if Elon 1182 01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.840 Musk offered that to us, I would take it, and 1183 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:35.760 I definitely consider him to be a super rich weirdo. 1184 01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.639 But definitely you know what I'm saying. So you know, 1185 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:43.400 and why not if somebody said, hey, look, just general 1186 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.719 trip to Vegas. There happens to be a poker tournament there. 1187 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.400 Tell you what, guys, I'll give you the hotel, plane fair, 1188 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:51.360 I'll make sure you get their private jet and your 1189 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.559 meals are covered all that, Plus you're entered in the 1190 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.639 poker tournament. You and I would be hanging out playing 1191 01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:58.719 cards in Vegas for at least the weekend. You know 1192 01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.880 what I'm saying. Just because, And again, if it was 1193 01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:05.639 Elon Musk or somebody like that, I would take it. 1194 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:09.719 And I'm why not, ain't gonna hurt him and gives 1195 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:13.199 me something interesting to do, and who knows how I 1196 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:14.000 would do it good? 1197 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:17.159 I would do it just because it would give me 1198 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.360 the opportunity to tell some of these people to fuck off. 1199 01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:23.320 Well, that would be fun too, That's always that's always 1200 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:27.559 a bonus. But okay, so fair enough. Now what is 1201 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:28.719 the next thing on the list? 1202 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:32.800 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? 1203 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:42.360 Okay, and this is where Shakira comes in, right, Sorry, 1204 01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:43.400 did you say something? 1205 01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.679 Did you commentary that someone had put out? 1206 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:53.480 Okay, so yeah, no, you broke up a little. It's 1207 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:56.840 all right. We're gonna be upgrading soon. But let me 1208 01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:00.800 just get to it. First of all, Shakira being fifty, 1209 01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:05.719 that's weird enough to me because I'm certain she's been 1210 01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:10.039 around for thirty years at a bare minimum as somebody 1211 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.760 that I was aware of, which is weird to me 1212 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.119 that she's only fifty now because I didn't think she 1213 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:20.720 was very young then. But she hasn't aged really, and 1214 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:21.479 I think she. 1215 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:24.560 Has not aged a bit, right, not one bit. 1216 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:25.479 But that's what I'm saying. 1217 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.439 I don't know what she's doing, but I wish she'd 1218 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.640 put it in a damn bottle. I would pay nineteen 1219 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:32.520 ninety nine for it. 1220 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:34.720 Well, so with almost anybody. But here we go with 1221 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.560 the weirdness. Like I know, I've aged since I first 1222 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:41.520 heard of Shakira to now a lot everybody I know 1223 01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:45.199 has aged a lot since I heard of Shakira. A 1224 01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:49.239 lot of people are dead anyway. The point is that 1225 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:54.199 you can't bottle it. It's called genetics, and she has 1226 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.199 a certain set of genetics there that just simply are 1227 01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:01.680 not aging quickly. There's that, plus she keeps herself in shape, 1228 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:04.880 and really she was first known and came to like 1229 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.760 everybody's attention for her unique way of shaking her ass, 1230 01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:12.319 which has become a whole other, you know, cultural staple. 1231 01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.279 And you got to admit, dancing is part of rock 1232 01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.760 and roll, and rock and roll is not this you know, 1233 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.800 easily definable thing. You know, when they say the rock 1234 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.920 and Roll Hall of Fame, even to call something rock 1235 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.399 and roll at this point is weird. Uh. In in 1236 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:36.960 our current you know, artistic malaise that we find ourselves 1237 01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:39.880 in where AI is doing a lot of work, rock 1238 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:44.039 and roll is almost an outdated phrase now for somebody 1239 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:49.079 to clearly define it. I got to say, when you 1240 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:53.239 listen to certain people's definitions of it, they are at 1241 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.000 the valid and at the same time completely different one 1242 01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:59.359 way or another. Like there are people that would tell 1243 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:01.479 me that let Me Killmeister has nothing to do with 1244 01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:04.640 rock and roll. He was a metal guy. Let Me 1245 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:08.039 Kill Meister was rock and roll, you know, and so 1246 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:09.760 was Guess Berry. 1247 01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:12.720 Yeah, sorry, good, but I've heard In fact, I heard 1248 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:16.079 a guy. I heard a guy just two days ago saying, hey, 1249 01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:18.600 when we look at these lists, granted, there have been 1250 01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.760 inductees that were kind of questionable over the years. But 1251 01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:26.439 when you're going to consider someone like Shakira over Motorhead, 1252 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.920 how can you even make that comparison when it comes 1253 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.439 to the subject of rock and roll? And I have 1254 01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:36.239 to agree with him. There's people, you know, Phil Collins 1255 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:40.560 was inducted under Genesis when he was part of Genesis, 1256 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.279 but now he's up for an individual induction. And I 1257 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.159 could consider Peter Gabriel, Yes, still a part of rock 1258 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:50.840 and roll. But when you don't have Motorhead in there. 1259 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:56.159 As long as Motorhead was out there pounding live performances, 1260 01:10:56.359 --> 01:11:04.159 they didn't. Their live performances were asked pnomical compared to albums. 1261 01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:06.079 You know, you look at King Floyd. They would do 1262 01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.000 a tour every other year, every year for a while, 1263 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:11.840 then they didn't for a few years. Now, Damn, Motorhead 1264 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:14.960 was out there pounding the pavement every damn day. Why 1265 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:19.680 are they not in there? And why are they not 1266 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.479 in there when you're considering someone like Shakira. Don't get 1267 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.760 me wrong, she's a fantastic artist. She puts out good 1268 01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:31.399 music and correction, she's forty nine. She just turned forty 1269 01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:34.520 nine February second. I said fifty. I was wrong, Wow, 1270 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:37.199 But still at forty nine. God damn, she's the best 1271 01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:39.840 preserved thing I've ever seen. But still, you know, things 1272 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:45.680 like Motorhead, they're considering Oasis and groups like that. Dolly 1273 01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.159 Parton is in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame 1274 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.279 and Motorhead isn't something's wrong there? 1275 01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:54.640 Okay, now there is something wrong with Motorhead not being there, 1276 01:11:54.920 --> 01:12:01.560 But Dolly Parton belongs there, Shakira belonged there because they 1277 01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:06.039 are elemental pieces of what can see. That's the thing 1278 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:08.760 about rock and roll that is really bizarre that I 1279 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:13.640 think is so misunderstood and winds up people backing into 1280 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:18.399 their own little cultural corners mostly and rejecting different things 1281 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.840 for different reasons. The thing is, it is a giant 1282 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:26.920 eclectic thing. This wasn't you know, some sort of you know, 1283 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:31.680 staple of music that existed forever. What it did is 1284 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:35.560 it cobbled together many things and took on many forms. 1285 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:38.239 You know, you could look at the the you know, 1286 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.520 the blues, which was effectively developed here in the United States, 1287 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.880 and jazz, which pre existed that by a long time period. 1288 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:50.000 Those two things put together do make rock and roll, 1289 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:53.560 but they are not the only formula. That's like saying 1290 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:57.640 you can only get drunk on vodka. It's it's no good. 1291 01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.119 You know, you got to understand that rock and roll 1292 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:04.079 is not a single drink. It is the bar. And 1293 01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:05.079 that's well. 1294 01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:08.479 I understand that, but when you look at it this way, 1295 01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:10.600 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has had a 1296 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:14.079 problem with heavy metal bands. You look at the heavy 1297 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:18.239 metal bands, Scorpions, Iron Maiden, motor Head, you know they 1298 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:25.960 the When you consider Shakira now, she says that a 1299 01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:28.199 lot of influence came from you know, rock artists, and 1300 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.520 I understand that, but you look at the product that 1301 01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:34.840 you're putting it putting out. It's hard now for rock 1302 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.600 and roll to be considered rock and roll because it's 1303 01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:43.039 been devalued and dewatered over the past fifteen twenty years. 1304 01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:45.359 You don't have rock station. If you have a rock 1305 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.239 and roll radio station, they're playing shit from Zeppelin and 1306 01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:51.279 Queen and everybody else. Back in the Dinosaur days, there's 1307 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:56.720 not really a lot of new rock bands. So by 1308 01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:02.560 diluting it, I don't understand. I don't consider I don't 1309 01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:04.960 think Dolly Parton should be in the Rock and Roll 1310 01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.720 Hall of Fame unless you can show me all the 1311 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.640 songs that she wrote for rock and roll artists, which 1312 01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:13.800 there are very few. Most of her songs that were 1313 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.479 written that were done by other than country artists. Was 1314 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:21.359 pop radio Top forty that's not rock and roll. Rock 1315 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:23.960 and roll is a sub section of pop music, or 1316 01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:27.920 Top forty. Rock and roll is rock and roll. I 1317 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.520 don't think Shakira fits. I don't think Luther Vandross would 1318 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:35.640 fit into that group. So why are they even in consideration? 1319 01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:38.119 Maybe I'm more of a purist. I don't know. 1320 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.000 Well, you have a certain purest point of view. But 1321 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:43.560 here's the thing. Does Michael Jackson belong in the rock 1322 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:47.439 and roll Hall of Fame? You know, there's a big question. 1323 01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:51.399 Oh no, see now, the king of pop in my education. 1324 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:53.079 He wasn't the king of rock. He was the king 1325 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:53.520 of pop. 1326 01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:57.479 Okay, But oddly enough, I'm weird like this. I think 1327 01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:01.560 he belongs because rock and roll. Again, Look, you go 1328 01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:03.239 back to the argument about the rock station. 1329 01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:04.720 Well, let me give you an example. 1330 01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:06.279 Well, let me just let me just run by part 1331 01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:07.520 of what you said, and then you can give me 1332 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:10.279 an example because exactly, well wait, wait a second, the 1333 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:13.600 radio station you were talking about, right, every major market 1334 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:16.000 has a rock station. You're right, and they all have 1335 01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:19.319 the same formula, and it runs roughly from the late 1336 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:24.600 sixties to the mid nineties. Is basically ninety nine percent 1337 01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.439 of the music they play, if it's not something new 1338 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.840 released by an artist from that time period, that's what 1339 01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:34.239 they play on all these rock stations all across the country. 1340 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:37.560 And to me, there is plenty of rock and roll 1341 01:15:37.560 --> 01:15:41.359 that occurred before that time period and after that time period. 1342 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:45.720 I think Luther Vandros belongs. I think that anybody that 1343 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:51.239 introduced an element which especially changed things regarding rock and 1344 01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:57.479 roll and even influenced it to a heavy degree, is eligible. 1345 01:15:57.520 --> 01:15:59.880 That's why I think Dolly belongs there, which is weird 1346 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.439 to probably hear from some people because I'm the heavy 1347 01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:06.199 metal guy. It took them forever to accept Black Sabbath, 1348 01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:11.479 which was ridiculous because Black Sabbath literally created a whole 1349 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:16.079 new genre of music from rock and roll. I mean, 1350 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:21.199 so this is the evolutionary and the precursors to the 1351 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:25.479 thing itself. I think it all qualifies and all belongs 1352 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.880 to be recognized if it played a part in the 1353 01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:32.399 overall bar, that's the thing. Not every bar has the 1354 01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:36.039 super expensive you know, whiskey. But every bar has got 1355 01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:39.319 some whiskey, and there's a reason, you know what I'm saying. 1356 01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:41.800 And every bar has the weak little girly drinks, and 1357 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.079 you know what every other bar has too, is some water. 1358 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:49.359 Almost everything to some degree you know that exists in 1359 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:54.720 modern music is either touched by, influenced by, or generated by, 1360 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:58.760 or is an element which is then later on added 1361 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:01.960 into guess what what I consider to be rock and roll. 1362 01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:05.439 So there is a circular loop here where even people 1363 01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:08.520 have complained about hip hop artists, right, they're hip hop, 1364 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.479 they're not rock, Well what is hip hop? And didn't 1365 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:16.760 hip hop then become cycled back into rock music and 1366 01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:19.720 become part of it as well? See what I'm saying. 1367 01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.680 It's not a straight line. It's a circular thing that 1368 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:27.600 keeps rolling. Literally, that undone rock and roll keeps rolling 1369 01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:31.920 itself into new things. And even with the stagnation in 1370 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.800 creation as it exists now, we still see the older 1371 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:39.640 elements of pop, electronica and all these things that technically 1372 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:43.479 at their inception we're not rock and roll becoming integrated 1373 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:51.000 into this huge sort of massive collaboration, collective collaboration that 1374 01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:54.600 has occurred here as a result of this genre snowballing, 1375 01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:58.920 that's rock and roll to me. Now to you, rock 1376 01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:01.439 and roll might have a different formula. Maybe you could 1377 01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:03.399 tell me what that formula is. But every time I 1378 01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:07.079 ask a purist about this, they give me bands, they 1379 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.840 give me examples, but they don't seem to tell me 1380 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:14.560 exactly what the formula is that makes something rock and 1381 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.720 where it deviates away and becomes something else, or what 1382 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.319 it lacks in order to not qualify as rock and 1383 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:25.199 roll exactly. It sort of fails in one way or 1384 01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:27.720 another because I can find an example that'll counter that, 1385 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:31.119 even in their own arguments. Usually, So I'm curious, what 1386 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:33.600 do you think qualifies as rock and roll? And you 1387 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:35.159 want to give me an example, So go ahead. 1388 01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.399 Well, I was gonna say, for example, to Jean Luke Ponpeig, 1389 01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:45.640 he's a violin player. He's very heavy in jazz. His 1390 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.920 start was in classical, he's gone on to jazz. He 1391 01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.439 was playing with people like Frank Zappa back before Zappa 1392 01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.279 was with the mothers of invention. That goes a long 1393 01:18:55.399 --> 01:18:58.359 way back in music history. I mean, you're talking the 1394 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:03.920 late sixties now. I would never even consider Jean Luponti 1395 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:06.960 to be a part of the rock and Roll Hall 1396 01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:10.800 of Fame. That's not his genre. It's not what he 1397 01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:14.159 does as a main emphasis of what he does. I 1398 01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:16.439 don't think hip hop acts should be in there. The 1399 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:18.279 only hip hop act should that should be in the 1400 01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:23.800 rock and Roll Hall of Fame is was it run 1401 01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:28.000 DMC with their collab with Aerosmith. Other than that, that's 1402 01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.920 a separate genre of music and the majority of what 1403 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:35.560 they do is in that separate genre of music. Who 1404 01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:39.279 is the guy, oh Jacko Pactorius. He was with Weather Report. 1405 01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:44.439 They were a jazz group, they were a fusion jazz, 1406 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.479 progressive jazz, whatever you want to name them. I wouldn't 1407 01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:50.000 consider him in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 1408 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:53.680 And that guy, sadly he's passed away, but that guy 1409 01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:56.079 was on the forefront with all of these rock and 1410 01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.720 roll artists way back in the sixties, seventies on up 1411 01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:00.520 through that eighties. 1412 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.920 Does Public just quickly does put a jazz artists? Yeah? 1413 01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:05.000 Don't quickly? 1414 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:08.319 Does Public Enemy qualify because they collaborated with Anthrax on 1415 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.479 Bring the Noise? And I would definitely I'm not saying 1416 01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:14.920 Anthrax is the Hall of Fame worthy, but if they 1417 01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:17.720 were Hall of Fame worthy? Would that not also drag 1418 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:21.039 Public Enemy into the discussion because they collaborated with a 1419 01:20:21.159 --> 01:20:23.479 metal band which is an offshoot of brock and Roll 1420 01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:28.600 no or yes, no, I don't, I don't, I don't. 1421 01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:31.359 Run DMC was doing some other things in addition to 1422 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.359 what they did with Aerosmith. I wouldn't consider that one 1423 01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:36.640 collaboration with Anthrax would put him. 1424 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:40.439 Well, this is Hall of Fame, Well this was public Enemy. Well, 1425 01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:43.119 this was Public Enemy who did the collaboration with Anthrax, 1426 01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:44.800 and they were definitely off doing a lot of other 1427 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:47.760 things like Run DMC was previous to do and bring 1428 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:48.159 the noise. 1429 01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:52.479 They are Public Enemy as far as I'm desern is 1430 01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:55.239 a rap hip hop group. They're not. They shouldn't be 1431 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:56.239 in the rock and roll Hall of Fame. 1432 01:20:56.920 --> 01:20:59.319 Okay, but you do know they collaborated with Anthras for 1433 01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:03.199 a crossover very similar in formula to what Run DMC 1434 01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:08.359 did with Aerosmith, Right, Okay, just checking, yes, but. 1435 01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:12.119 I think that I think I think Public Enemy Run 1436 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:14.159 DMC was one of those that were kind of on 1437 01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:17.079 the board a rap was really just coming out when 1438 01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:19.199 they were big time. I mean, look at that's like, 1439 01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:23.560 would you consider Will Smith to be a rock and 1440 01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:27.000 roll artist, well his hip hop days. 1441 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:29.159 Well no, but I mean run DMC is part of 1442 01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:32.960 the pioneering end of hip hop because they actually charted 1443 01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:37.520 on the rock charts with a rap album before collaborating 1444 01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:41.199 with Aerosmith, who was actually on a downslide in their 1445 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:43.840 career at the time. That walked this way was redone. 1446 01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.760 So it's interesting to me that, you know, and and 1447 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:49.760 by the way, there are plenty of rap artists before 1448 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.199 Run DMC, and they had you know, rap charts, hip 1449 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.880 hop charts are and beach charts, et cetera. But run 1450 01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:58.960 DMC actually broke straight on into the rock charts with 1451 01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:03.039 their out and then you know, you know, cashed in 1452 01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:06.560 on it by collecting with Aerosmith after and then did 1453 01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:09.760 I think the album was if you can show. 1454 01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:13.239 Well, and that's one thing, if you can show that 1455 01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:16.119 a group was was charting on the rock charts at 1456 01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:18.720 that time and pulling in the numbers, I mean, you've 1457 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:20.600 got to you've got to make an impression to even 1458 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:25.880 hit the chart. If you're able to chart those those 1459 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.119 entries that they've got, that's one thing, but just a 1460 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.920 one off, No, I don't I don't think they should 1461 01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.439 be considered I think that's a different genre of music 1462 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.560 rock and roll. It's kind of like what was it 1463 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:40.800 they used to say about obscenity laws. It's really hard 1464 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:42.680 to define, but I can tell you what it is 1465 01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:44.600 when I see it. Rock and roll is kind of 1466 01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:46.760 the same thing. You hear it, you know, it's rock. 1467 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.760 This all this other crap is just I don't know. 1468 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:55.720 Maybe it's more the cult of personality taken over. But 1469 01:22:55.800 --> 01:23:00.000 I don't consider Shakira. God bless her. She's an excellent artist. 1470 01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:02.439 I don't think she deserves to be in the rock 1471 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:03.119 and roll all of lame. 1472 01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:07.199 Okay, Well, I've heard other people even argue that like 1473 01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:12.000 dancing no cool. I've heard other people argue that dancing 1474 01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:14.359 is an essential element to the you know, at the 1475 01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:17.279 inception of rock and roll, and it's certainly always been 1476 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:21.560 part of it. And it's not dancing in the traditional sense, 1477 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:25.920 and it's definitely not you know, disco, but dancing along 1478 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.680 with rhythmic stuff has always been part of it. Right 1479 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:32.720 even when you saw the earliest possible images of anything 1480 01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:35.600 called rock and roll with Little Richard and you know 1481 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:38.560 and Chuck Berry and these guys you know, back in 1482 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:42.920 the fifties even right, you know, dancing was an essential 1483 01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:46.600 element of it. What about the argument that Shakira basically 1484 01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:49.479 innovated and created a whole new thing with this whole 1485 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:52.279 what do they call that twerking? I mean, it wouldn't 1486 01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:55.800 exist without the influence of Shakira and that wild ass 1487 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:59.920 shaken that she did. That was really her memorable trait 1488 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:04.640 that broke her through into mainstream recognition regardless who even 1489 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:07.960 knows what she was singing because people were just mesmerized 1490 01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:11.600 by that ass movement. I mean, let's be honest, right, 1491 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:13.800 So what about that sort of argument when you have 1492 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.640 an element that is not necessarily directly related to a 1493 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:19.760 formula of music, but might be related to the culture, 1494 01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:22.560 Because rock and roll is not just a music, it's 1495 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:23.920 a culture as well, isn't it. 1496 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:36.800 Minch Yeah, they were playing dance music. Dance was a 1497 01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:39.920 part of the beginning of rock and roll until an 1498 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.560 artist sat down and said, hey, if I put out 1499 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:48.479 this album, I might have a few songs on here 1500 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:51.479 nobody's going to be dancing to. And they found out 1501 01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:54.800 they could do it. Look at the progression from say 1502 01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:58.560 Bill Haley and Chuck Berry and what it went to 1503 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:03.199 up to the bands where suddenly you had Jethro Tolls 1504 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:07.159 shooting off in a progressive form, and yes and these 1505 01:25:07.399 --> 01:25:10.359 I mean Rush, that's all progressive rock. Pink Floyd was 1506 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:14.680 progressive rock. It was a subunit of rock and roll 1507 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:19.119 where albums people would sit down and listen to an album. 1508 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:25.279 It wasn't geared again to change from forty five rpm 1509 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:29.039 records to full albums. You know, singles were the thing 1510 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:33.199 back during Bill Haley and the comments. It progressed into 1511 01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:37.760 album stage where Okay, we're gonna put fifteen songs on here, 1512 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:43.840 and two of them you won't be able to dance to, 1513 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:46.640 but you end up sitting there hitting your ball and 1514 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:49.880 listening to them, and it becomes a part. I don't 1515 01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:52.039 know if there's a progression there in rock, but I 1516 01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:56.039 don't think past the point to where you include every 1517 01:25:56.039 --> 01:25:58.520 top forty radio artist in the list. 1518 01:25:58.720 --> 01:25:59.479 Yeah, I don't think. 1519 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.279 I don't think Shakira is part of that evolution. I 1520 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:05.239 don't think Luther Vandross is a part. I don't think 1521 01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:07.159 Barry White should be in the rock and roll all 1522 01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:11.159 of vein. He was singing soul of music, and there's 1523 01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:11.800 a difference. 1524 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:16.119 Okay, look fair enough, but when you take a look 1525 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:20.920 at somebody like Dion Warwick or you know, Aretha Franklin 1526 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.159 or something like that, I think we're you know, we're 1527 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:27.000 in a different category. But it is interesting to note 1528 01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:29.520 that we went from a time period where a musician 1529 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:32.560 was like, sell a single and maybe your B side 1530 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:35.960 will be happy too, you know, to well, sell a 1531 01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.640 single so that we can sell the album, to concept 1532 01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:43.680 albums and double albums, you know, the glut of it all, 1533 01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.680 and then they could fit much much more on a CD. 1534 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:51.039 You know, on and on it goes. But the evolution 1535 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:54.760 there were some steps along the way that necessarily might 1536 01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:57.960 have been you know, kind of not exactly on the 1537 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:01.119 point of the exact formula you might look for. But 1538 01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:03.720 it's weird because at the end of the day, it 1539 01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:07.159 does come down to the what is pornography? Question? Right? Well, 1540 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:08.880 I don't know how to describe it, but I know 1541 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:13.760 it if I see it. Okay, but that's kind of odd. 1542 01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:16.920 I'm just saying just my mind, and to my mind, 1543 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:18.800 there's a lot of elements that come in, and there's 1544 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:22.760 people that don't belong there, that were purely you know, nothing, 1545 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:24.239 but marketing me. 1546 01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:28.800 Yeah, look at this kind of like you look at 1547 01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:33.239 the Grammys. Meat Loaf Bat Out of Hell album was 1548 01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:36.479 one of the highest selling albums of all time, never 1549 01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:39.399 won a Grammy. Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon 1550 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:42.159 was on the top two hundred for Billboard for over 1551 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:47.199 seventeen freaking years, never won a Grammy. You know it's 1552 01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:50.800 you wonder about things like that. Did they not win 1553 01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:54.159 the Grammy because they were too rock and roll? Well, 1554 01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:58.119 I mean, who doesn't know the Grammy by the dashboard 1555 01:27:58.159 --> 01:27:59.279 lighte from meat Loaf? 1556 01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:04.079 Yeah, Look, the Grammys are a garbage thing reality. I 1557 01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:07.640 know they're great rewards for musicians and all, but I 1558 01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:10.600 mean the laughable. I remember the year that the Jethro 1559 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:15.399 Tull won in the heavy metal category over Metallica, who 1560 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:19.279 still deserved to win that heavy metal category at that time, 1561 01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:23.039 and Jethro Tull won for an album that I didn't 1562 01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:26.159 even know anybody who heard it. It was like it 1563 01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:28.920 didn't belong in the category they put stuff. You want 1564 01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:30.439 to talk about people who don't know what rock and 1565 01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:33.399 roll is. The people at the Grammys, which is not 1566 01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:35.880 just rock and roll, but the people at the Grammys 1567 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:40.079 have no idea what they're doing. They miscategorize everything, and 1568 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:44.399 I have no explanation for what goes on at the Grammys. 1569 01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:48.079 The Grammys are like, you know, listen, my toddler doesn't 1570 01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:52.800 like ACDC, or my toddler loves ACDC. Either one of 1571 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.720 these things is not a qualifier or disqualifier for me. 1572 01:28:56.359 --> 01:29:00.920 It bears no weight on my scale. What the Grammys do? 1573 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:01.359 You know? 1574 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:03.640 Because good God will give. 1575 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:07.520 You an example. A perfect example you've got was this 1576 01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:11.479 Sabrina Carpenter, who was one of Disney's prodigies that got 1577 01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:14.760 brought up and now she's a huge artist on pop radio. 1578 01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:19.600 She won an award for Best New Artist four years 1579 01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:25.920 after she put out her music. It's like, wait a minute, 1580 01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:28.640 why are you even given a Best New Artist award 1581 01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:31.680 to somebody whose first album sold so many copies for 1582 01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:35.000 Disney on her Hollywood Records or whoever it was they 1583 01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:37.880 had four years ago. Why is she a new artist? 1584 01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:41.319 It's crazy. Maybe we should look at who's doing the 1585 01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:44.800 voting at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I 1586 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:49.520 would think that you would take the inductees and let 1587 01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:52.720 them vote that before it got to the point that 1588 01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:54.800 it's at now, Because now it's beyond repair. 1589 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:57.279 See, that would be great if they did that. But 1590 01:29:57.319 --> 01:30:00.880 that's the thing about these, you know by vote situations, 1591 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:05.439 is there are so many weird agendas, you know, involved 1592 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:08.479 in this. And I mean, you know, asking a bunch 1593 01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:10.119 of guys who figured out a way to make a 1594 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:14.920 living as musicians to begin with, to quantify and qualify things, 1595 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.479 you're asking for trouble. But but that might be better trouble 1596 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:20.800 than whatever the hell they have is going on there, 1597 01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:23.720 I know, but I'll tell you what I mean. 1598 01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:27.079 Just saying a good example face brings it up in 1599 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:30.800 the room. He mentions the band Kansas. Now, when Kansas 1600 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:32.239 first came out, people thought. 1601 01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:33.199 Who the hell are these guys? 1602 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:36.079 But look at what they went on to do over 1603 01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:38.520 the course of them being a band. I mean, they 1604 01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:43.560 put out some phenomenal stuff that was full of orchestrated 1605 01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:50.199 cuts a classical elements, and yet look at how big 1606 01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:52.359 Kansas became. They're one of them. I mean, to me, 1607 01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:55.560 that was one of the bands I grew up on. 1608 01:30:56.000 --> 01:31:00.000 But you don't get the accolades. I mean, I don't 1609 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:03.439 understand how Iron ma I don't think I is iron 1610 01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:05.840 I don't think Iron Maiden is in there no, I 1611 01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:09.239 can Iron Maiden not be considered rock and roll over 1612 01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:10.319 someone like Shakira. 1613 01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:19.199 Yeah, look, Ila entirely with your objections regarding metal bands 1614 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:24.640 that have not been included, artists who literally innovated genres 1615 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.920 and created subgenres that are now three, four to five 1616 01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:32.079 generations deep, still not being involved in the rock and 1617 01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:35.920 roll Hall of Fame where they absolutely belong. There's a 1618 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:38.920 ton of them because Nope, metal's not rock. And I'm 1619 01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:41.079 telling you that's that's the kind of thing that it's like, 1620 01:31:41.159 --> 01:31:43.720 it's so arbitrary that I. 1621 01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:47.840 Don't understand anybody. I don't understand anybody that could make 1622 01:31:47.920 --> 01:31:53.960 that comment that metal is not wrong. Awk, if it's 1623 01:31:54.039 --> 01:31:56.239 not rock, in the hell is it? Well? 1624 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.960 I asked the same question about punk. Most of punk music. 1625 01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:03.399 I'm not talking about performance artists who make noise. I'm 1626 01:32:03.399 --> 01:32:07.239 talking about people that actually make music, and it's punk. 1627 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:11.039 It belongs in the rock category as well. It belongs 1628 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:13.680 in the rock and roll Hall of Fame. It just does. 1629 01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:17.000 I know. It originated as the anti rock statement, but 1630 01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:22.439 honestly it became just the slightly wilder cousin of the 1631 01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:27.359 original rock and roll. You know, a formula that's all 1632 01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:30.560 was and heavy metal for the most part. There's a 1633 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.640 whole lot of bands that people like consider to be 1634 01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:35.880 heavy metal bands that really aren't as well. Like AC 1635 01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:41.199 DC is nothing more than a honestly a kind of 1636 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:46.840 a formulaic, repetitive rock band. They've basically been playing the 1637 01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:50.279 same kind of rips now for I don't know, fifty years. 1638 01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:54.399 They've gone through two singers, that's not too many, and 1639 01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.399 they've had the same lead guitarist for you know, half 1640 01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:01.439 a century, and pretty much it's almost like the Ramones. 1641 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:04.800 It's the same song, just slightly rearranged over and over again. 1642 01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:08.560 And I enjoy them, I do, you know something, not everything, 1643 01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:12.000 but I enjoy the majority of a CDC's material. But 1644 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:13.520 there are some people that would argue to me, that's 1645 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:16.319 a heavy metal band. That's not a rock band. I 1646 01:33:16.359 --> 01:33:19.079 don't even hear heavy metal. That is rock and roll. 1647 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:24.239 It's all isn they they should they should be in exactly, 1648 01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:26.159 they should be in a rock and roll Hall of Fame. 1649 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:28.960 I hung there with any If you see DC doesn't 1650 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:32.520 it's not rock and roll. You have no concept of 1651 01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:33.399 what rock and roll. 1652 01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:36.640 Is absolutely true, and you know, look, I know it's 1653 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:39.640 a little odd, and for some people it's a little aggressive. 1654 01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:44.199 But aggressive is not wrong, you know what I'm saying. 1655 01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.119 There are a couple of different ways to go about this, 1656 01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:49.439 and yes, some of it, you could make love songs 1657 01:33:49.479 --> 01:33:52.359 out of it. You can make a you know, holy crap, 1658 01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:55.079 I think you're good looking. Hello, I love you. The 1659 01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:58.159 Doors is rock and roll. Also, you know what I'm saying, 1660 01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:02.399 it's not all one sound. There's a great eclectic collection 1661 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:06.560 of things here, and that's my argument. But again, you know, 1662 01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:09.159 I get told I'm crazy, you're good. 1663 01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:13.640 Well, a lot of people that have opinions like that, 1664 01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.720 I'm sorry. I don't think they have a very good 1665 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.479 opinion of music because they would only consider certain things. 1666 01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:22.119 I listen to all kinds of music. But the Moody Blues. 1667 01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:29.319 Look at how many bands they influence. Now, they were 1668 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:31.840 progressive as hell, they were one of the first progressive 1669 01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:34.239 hop bands. But they were rock and roll, and they 1670 01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:36.600 influenced the hell of a lot of music down the way. 1671 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:39.159 Well, I'll tell you a lot of people object to 1672 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:41.840 when I say this, but I think Eric Clapton sucks. 1673 01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:46.039 He's overrated as hell. But here's the thing I wouldn't 1674 01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:48.079 object I don't object to him being in the Rock 1675 01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:49.920 and Roll Hall of Fame. He's been entered in there 1676 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:52.640 with what Derek and the Dominoes, the Yardbirds, I don't know, 1677 01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:56.239 five different bands. I don't object to it. I just 1678 01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:59.279 think it sucks. I don't think it's very good, but 1679 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:02.119 it belongs to because a lot of people enjoyed it 1680 01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:03.960 and it became part of the culture. And there's a 1681 01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:06.640 lot of people that count him as an influence, et cetera. 1682 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:10.319 But I think he's one of the most overrated guys 1683 01:35:10.479 --> 01:35:15.520 ever to strap on a freaking guitar. Really, I don't understand. 1684 01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:18.079 It's like, you know, the Oh Wow is a. 1685 01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:23.439 Lot of people. A lot of people have the same 1686 01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:27.000 opinion that you do. Eric Clapton's overrated, and in some 1687 01:35:27.039 --> 01:35:31.279 aspects he may be. But Eric Clapton was part of 1688 01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:34.600 that blues foundation over rock and roll. If you want 1689 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:36.760 to hear good Eric Clapton, you need to hear him 1690 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:42.600 live when he's playing just live jam. I saw him 1691 01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:46.239 down at the House of Blues in Rurtal Beach, and 1692 01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:52.800 I mean he's Yes, he's overrated by a lot of people, 1693 01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:55.000 but he's damn good at what he does. And when 1694 01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:58.359 playing the blues. He's he's right up there with some 1695 01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:01.920 of the best. Another example, Patrick Travers, guy out of Canada. 1696 01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:04.600 He was over in London when the punk scene was 1697 01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:07.279 kicking off. He couldn't make it over here. He wanted 1698 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:10.920 to go over there, started playing clubs. Eventually he came 1699 01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:14.560 back to the States. But Pat Travers isn't in there. 1700 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:18.960 He's got five, i know, five solid rock and roll 1701 01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:25.399 albums that should put him in consideration. But again, we're 1702 01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:29.520 talking about Shakira, Luther Vandross well In shouldn't even be 1703 01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:30.399 in a discussion. 1704 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:33.960 But here's the thing. I don't feel that way. Now 1705 01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:36.640 here's the thing about it again, just going over this 1706 01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:39.640 part of it. You know, Eric Clapton is part of 1707 01:36:39.680 --> 01:36:44.840 that English imitating blues situation where an American blues artist, 1708 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:46.800 when asked about it in the seventies. I can't remember 1709 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:49.920 the guy's name, but I'll never forget the quote. He said, well, 1710 01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:53.039 you know, these English guys they want to play the BRUEs, 1711 01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.159 real real bad. And you know what, that's what they do, 1712 01:36:56.199 --> 01:37:00.439 they play the blues, real, real bad. I appreciate that because, 1713 01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:03.840 you know, when Clapton toured with Stevie Ray, Vaughan. I 1714 01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:08.359 was really sad that the wrong helicopter crashed. Seriously, Stevie 1715 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:13.800 Ray Vaughan was an amazing artist and weirdest looking guy 1716 01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:18.159 you know. And two other guys who look like they 1717 01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.359 probably just you know, put down the the squeegees at 1718 01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:23.880 the gas station to come to play drums and bass 1719 01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:28.000 double Trouble. It was hilarious, but you can't argue with 1720 01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:31.439 the results. The guy did things with a guitar that 1721 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:35.439 I don't believe other people are able to replicate, you know, 1722 01:37:35.640 --> 01:37:39.359 much like Hendricks and you know, here we go. Hendricks 1723 01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:42.399 may be overrated a touch, but not really when you 1724 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:46.960 listen to his studio work anyway. Put him aside. A 1725 01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:49.760 guy like Zach Wilde, in my mind, has to go 1726 01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:53.159 in at some point, you know, not just for playing 1727 01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:58.199 with Ozzie, but the guy is an incredible just you 1728 01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:02.319 know artist with his chow An instrument and even though 1729 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:06.039 he looks like you know, I don't know a Pennsylvania 1730 01:38:06.199 --> 01:38:09.520 biker got thrown back from a time machine, you know, 1731 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:14.880 in the nineteen seventies to now, the guy is amazing 1732 01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:18.119 as a guitarist, and not just because he's from Jersey. 1733 01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:21.520 Do I appreciate him. But there's a lot of people 1734 01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:24.720 whose elements are going to come into play here. And 1735 01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:28.760 there's also the cultural consideration. Shakira is on the borderline 1736 01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:31.319 in my mind, but I think she goes in Luther 1737 01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:33.920 Vandros not on the borderline. I think he goes in 1738 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:38.039 who else did you object to in the recent considerations 1739 01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:40.600 in class? Or who else do you celebrate? By the way, 1740 01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:41.960 did you happen to examine any of that? 1741 01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:47.680 Let me pull up the list of who they're considering 1742 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:49.960 this time. Let's see I saved that article. 1743 01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:52.199 Let me go, well, I'll tell you what. You pull 1744 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:55.199 that up. Let us take a quick break here, because well, 1745 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:58.520 let's just take let's take a quick break here. You 1746 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:02.159 pull that up, Okay, and uh, hopefully somebody will join 1747 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:04.119 us here in the last little bit because we're almost 1748 01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:06.520 out of time for this Friday night. Nobody called in 1749 01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:09.920 three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six. 1750 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:13.199 We got lost in our conversation, but there you go. Uh, 1751 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:16.920 and I kind of enjoyed this gives you a different 1752 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:20.319 perspectives about b peach list what he thought, what I thought? 1753 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:23.399 And we went back and excuse me, back and forth 1754 01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:25.119 a little bit. But I need just a quick break, 1755 01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:27.720 so I'm gonna take it here on the Ocelli effect 1756 01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:30.039 and return as quickly as I can. But you can 1757 01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:33.720 join us after this three one nine, five, two seven, 1758 01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:43.359 five zero one six and yeah, that sounds like fun. 1759 01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:52.000 Revelation through conversation. 1760 01:39:52.920 --> 01:40:00.520 Revelation through Conversage. 1761 01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:04.000 The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national 1762 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:07.039 transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in 1763 01:40:07.079 --> 01:40:10.479 the context of the times and reveals never before published 1764 01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:14.199 information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not 1765 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.880 have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred 1766 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:20.279 years ago. 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Wall streetdo dot dot 1799 01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:51.239 go there, Now go there, Now. 1800 01:42:51.239 --> 01:43:29.920 Go there, now you. 1801 01:43:30.199 --> 01:43:34.439 Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and 1802 01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:40.439 listeners like you. No, I know the most d all 1803 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:45.640 media suck chilli revelation through conversation. 1804 01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:48.199 And returning to it here for the last little bit. 1805 01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.359 On a Friday night, nobody called in three one nine, 1806 01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:54.119 five two seven five zero one six. I guess nobody's 1807 01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:56.600 interested in our music talk, be Pete. I don't know, 1808 01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:00.359 you know, nobody wants to join in on that, but 1809 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:02.560 you were gonna give me a continuation on your list, 1810 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:04.640 So let's just close it out with that. If nobody 1811 01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:08.399 bugs us, we'll do it otherwise. Aaron begins around ten 1812 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:12.560 pm Eastern, so stick around for that. So what else 1813 01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:14.520 you got there? You said there were some other people 1814 01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:16.800 that were considering for the Hall of Fame and we 1815 01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:18.920 were having a spirited discussion about this. 1816 01:44:19.079 --> 01:44:28.560 I thought, yeah, this editorial ran across today. Girl down 1817 01:44:28.600 --> 01:44:31.000 in Miami wrote it, and I mean she makes it. 1818 01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:33.439 She doesn't make an argument, She just asked the question. 1819 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:36.279 I mean, the title of the thing is does Shakira 1820 01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:38.319 deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? 1821 01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:43.000 And I'll read just a short part here says with that, 1822 01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:45.800 the rock and Roll Hall of Fame is announced seventeen 1823 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:49.239 nominees for his class of twenty twenty six, including major 1824 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:54.960 names like Lauren Hill, Phil Collins, Charde, Luther Van Dross, Oasis, 1825 01:44:55.479 --> 01:44:59.560 Iron Maiden, and Wu Tang Clan. Now, of that list 1826 01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:02.000 right there, just those few, I would think Phil Collins, 1827 01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:09.960 Iron Maidens, Oasis. I wouldn't consider Wu Tang Clan, Luthros 1828 01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:13.880 or Lauren Hill be included in the Rock and Roll 1829 01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:16.800 haller Game. I mean it's it's hip hop names basically 1830 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:20.720 on that list, other than Oasis, Iron Maiden, and Phil Collins. 1831 01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:24.640 Okay, well, I understand you don't like the hip hop names, 1832 01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:27.520 but I would include the hip hop names. I would 1833 01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:34.399 not include Shade because there is a pure pop marketability 1834 01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:38.600 thing that's created. I'm not certain about Lauren Hill, you know, 1835 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:40.960 as as to including her there either. 1836 01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:47.000 But well, she was with her solo stuff plus the fujis. 1837 01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:49.439 Would she qualify under the fujis? 1838 01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:55.039 Yeah? Now, see here's a weird thing. The fujis, as 1839 01:45:55.119 --> 01:46:01.840 I remember them, they're definitely an American genre of music. 1840 01:46:02.079 --> 01:46:04.800 But I don't know where I would put them, you 1841 01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:06.720 know what I'm saying, Because there are certain things that 1842 01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:11.520 are and let's get this straight. Every other country did, 1843 01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:15.680 at least as far as I'm concerned, follow America when 1844 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:19.359 it came to rock and roll, so you know, it 1845 01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:24.159 was created here. As for how it was marketed elsewhere, 1846 01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:28.840 and you know, and reimagined elsewhere, etc. That came back 1847 01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:31.560 to varying results. I mean, you had the British invasion 1848 01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:34.239 where they pretty much spat back a whole lot of 1849 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:38.319 American music at us one way or another, whether it's 1850 01:46:38.359 --> 01:46:42.039 the Rolling Stones really really wanting to play the blues, 1851 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:44.960 or it's Eric Clapton really really wanting to play the blues, 1852 01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:47.319 or it's you know, and so on and so forth, 1853 01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:53.079 or lifted Rips slash led Zeppelin ripping everybody off, you know, directly, 1854 01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:57.199 you know, either way, that was a natural sort of 1855 01:46:57.399 --> 01:47:00.920 imitation them aping us. But then after that things get weird. 1856 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:05.199 So I don't know, you know, Wu Tang Clan, you know, 1857 01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:10.000 because you object to hip hop, but there is plenty 1858 01:47:10.119 --> 01:47:13.800 of rock and roll in the culture, and hip hop, 1859 01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:17.000 as much as it wants to be separate from rock 1860 01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:20.760 and roll, is not. And you know, some people go, well, 1861 01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:23.000 that's black music and rock and roll is white music, 1862 01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:26.239 and gee, I'm sorry, but I think you forgot about 1863 01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:30.800 people like Little Richard, you know, founding members, not because 1864 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:34.600 they're the only ones, but founding members of this creation 1865 01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:37.439 of this thing. In my mind is Little Richard is 1866 01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:42.039 Bo Diddley is guess what you know, Chuck Berry obviously, 1867 01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:47.520 So you know, you can't say that black people had 1868 01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:49.720 nothing to do with rock and roll. If you do, 1869 01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:52.079 then I guess you consider that rock and roll began 1870 01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:54.880 in the nineteen sixties, and you're still forgetting a lot 1871 01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:58.680 of people. So if it's a black and white thing, 1872 01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:02.520 then it's dumb. But if it's a purely like that's 1873 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:08.359 a completely separate genre, well maybe yes, maybe no, because 1874 01:48:08.479 --> 01:48:14.279 some of the previous genre folds straight on into hip hop. 1875 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:16.920 For instance, where would you put James Brown? Does he 1876 01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:18.640 belong in the rock and roll Hall of Fame in 1877 01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:29.000 your mind? Yes? Okay, so a whole lot of it. 1878 01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:33.119 I think structurally it's similar, it's unique, but it also 1879 01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:36.600 fits into R and B, rhythm and blues, you know 1880 01:48:36.640 --> 01:48:39.600 what I'm saying. James Brown, certainly that's rock and roll also. 1881 01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:44.600 But here's the thing about it. James Brown fundamentally forms 1882 01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:48.159 a whole lot of the sampling foundation for a huge 1883 01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:52.920 amount of the initial hip hop artists. Funky Drummer in 1884 01:48:53.039 --> 01:48:55.800 and of itself generated something like one hundred and fifty 1885 01:48:55.920 --> 01:49:01.279 records just saying you know, and those rhythmic cues and 1886 01:49:01.479 --> 01:49:05.960 beats were re sampled back into what was foundationally hip hop. 1887 01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:10.880 At a certain point, Wu Tang gets even weirder with it. 1888 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:13.800 You know, I understand your point. 1889 01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:16.319 Yeah, I understand your point. 1890 01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:19.520 But to me, you know, if you want to have 1891 01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:22.000 a rock and roll Hall of Fame and you want 1892 01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:24.920 to have a hip hop hal and you want to 1893 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:28.239 have this as a sub unit, you know, whatever you 1894 01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:30.560 want to do, that's fine. I mean, when it comes 1895 01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:32.560 to I agree with you. The black and white argument 1896 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:37.359 is stupid. But I've gotten into battles on X over well. 1897 01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:41.000 I don't know why you say that, because black music 1898 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:43.279 is responsible for all of us, and it's like, okay, 1899 01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:46.960 I'm not even going to get into that argument. Screw you, block, 1900 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:49.279 I'm not even going to go there, because if you 1901 01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:51.800 think about it, who's the greatest rapper of all time? 1902 01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:55.960 A white boy that goes by Eminem Marshall Mathers and 1903 01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:58.560 you have people in rap will tell you he's the 1904 01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:02.039 greatest of all time you think about it, it's just skills, 1905 01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:05.680 is yes, stupid? It should even come me. 1906 01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:12.479 I don't know. 1907 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:14.600 Maybe I'm different, Maybe I'm too much of a pure 1908 01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:19.039 Maybe maybe I just don't think Shakira should be there, no, 1909 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:19.760 no problem. 1910 01:50:19.840 --> 01:50:21.800 But this is why we have these discussions. I think 1911 01:50:21.960 --> 01:50:23.319 is you know, let's air it out and see what 1912 01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:26.840 it looks like. Uh and quite frankly, look it just 1913 01:50:27.159 --> 01:50:29.800 I go back to the foundation. You know, if you 1914 01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.159 want to talk about the originators of this stuff, you 1915 01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:36.159 can't have rock and roll without the blues whose music 1916 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:40.000 is that? That is not the white man's music. I'm sorry. However, 1917 01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:45.039 you also can't have it with just the black man's music. 1918 01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:47.039 See that's why I love that song. You ever hear 1919 01:50:47.079 --> 01:50:48.199 that song by ac DC? 1920 01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:49.399 Uh? 1921 01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:55.359 What is it called? Let's oh let there be rock? Right? 1922 01:50:57.239 --> 01:51:01.199 You ever hear that one? Well? So you know it's 1923 01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:04.600 an interesting it's an interesting deconstruction. Oh yeah, no, I 1924 01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:07.600 love that. Matter of fact, my favorite version was off 1925 01:51:07.640 --> 01:51:10.159 of a live album which was called is If you 1926 01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:13.279 Want Blood You've Got It, which was kind of weird. 1927 01:51:13.359 --> 01:51:16.359 It's like agus young and paled by a guitar on 1928 01:51:16.479 --> 01:51:23.039 the cover. Is a weird thing anyway, But that song 1929 01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:26.199 pretty much lays out the story. Look, these things came 1930 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:32.199 together and that's what happened. It was, you know, jazz, blues, 1931 01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:36.079 rhythm and blues, and that stuff got cranked up a 1932 01:51:36.119 --> 01:51:38.319 little louder. And then a guy turned around and figured 1933 01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:40.600 out a way to amplify the guitar a little differently. 1934 01:51:41.279 --> 01:51:44.600 And then some idiot in England decided to slice his 1935 01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:48.159 speakers to make him buzz, and holy crap, we've had 1936 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:51.079 an evolution going on for a while. And there was 1937 01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:54.680 a guy named what Ray Perkins who did a whole 1938 01:51:54.760 --> 01:51:57.640 lot of groundwork that nobody even thinks of, which, by 1939 01:51:57.680 --> 01:51:59.479 the way, to cap this all off, you know what 1940 01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:02.680 I saw recently in a video short, which means I've 1941 01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:06.840 definitely lost my mind watching video shorts. A guy has 1942 01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:12.640 now come out that they say is actually Elvis. Elvis 1943 01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:20.239 is still alive, believe it or not. Did you see it? 1944 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:26.000 No, I've not heard anything about this one. I mean, 1945 01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:28.640 al is he actually Elvis? 1946 01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:32.439 I mean, is this guy? Is he Elvis at the 1947 01:52:32.600 --> 01:52:35.640 right age? Apparently he would be Elvis at nearly the 1948 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:37.840 right age, you know, depending on how you look at 1949 01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:40.800 it and the gap the gap in his teeth matches 1950 01:52:40.920 --> 01:52:45.000 the early Elvis gap in his teeth, and he has 1951 01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:48.000 a special problem with his hips that Elvis had his 1952 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:51.880 weird you know, one leg was longer than the other, allegedly, 1953 01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:56.159 you know, just like Elvis. And when one of Elvis's 1954 01:52:56.279 --> 01:52:59.199 children died, he even went to the funeral. This guy 1955 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:04.319 he photographed there and apparently has been the Elvis living 1956 01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:07.119 in exile all these years. And he's got some like 1957 01:53:07.239 --> 01:53:10.439 common name like Ray Brown or something, and he says 1958 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.000 that finally he's decided to come clean. He is Elvis. 1959 01:53:16.239 --> 01:53:18.479 I think you might see some more news stories on 1960 01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:22.439 this when stuff gets slow. But yeah, apparently there's some 1961 01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:25.079 videos out there that are trying to get viral telling 1962 01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:28.920 you Elvis is indeed still alive. So goes to show 1963 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:32.359 the old supermarket tabloid tricks are still not dead in 1964 01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:34.319 this day and age. B Pete, what do you think? 1965 01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:38.560 I don't know. 1966 01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:43.279 I mean, I can understand the argument that Epstein is 1967 01:53:43.319 --> 01:53:46.560 still alive, Glene Maxwell ain't in jail based off what 1968 01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:49.640 I've seen, but it's hard for me to accept that 1969 01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:55.800 Elvis is still alive. I mean, has has Lisa Marie 1970 01:53:56.520 --> 01:53:58.680 been No? What was his wife? 1971 01:53:58.800 --> 01:53:59.399 Was that his wife? 1972 01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:02.840 Yeah? Has she been sending in money all this time? 1973 01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:03.760 Well? 1974 01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:05.560 I mean with all the problems that they've had with 1975 01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:08.119 the estate and this and that and everything else. I mean, 1976 01:54:08.159 --> 01:54:09.159 what's he doing for a living? 1977 01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:13.720 Wasn't Priscilla his wife? And then Lisa Marie was the 1978 01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:16.239 kid that died not long ago? Or am I mixing 1979 01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:17.000 the month Priscilla? 1980 01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:17.319 That's it? 1981 01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:17.720 Yeah? 1982 01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:22.159 Okay, yeah, right, yes, No, you're right Priscilla. I mean 1983 01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:25.119 hasd Was she just slipping in a check every week 1984 01:54:25.159 --> 01:54:27.319 while he was in hiding? I mean that's a that's 1985 01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:28.800 a tough one to pull off this long. 1986 01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:32.520 Well no, and then there's some allegation that he literally 1987 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:37.119 showed up at Graceland around the New Year, uh, and 1988 01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:40.800 was welcomed into areas that only the family knows about. 1989 01:54:42.640 --> 01:54:48.199 There's another odd Trump related Elvis conspiracy thing too that 1990 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:52.720 I saw on these video shorts, which was crazy. You 1991 01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:55.680 know that that also points to Elvis still being alive. 1992 01:54:56.039 --> 01:54:58.239 So I don't know what they're preparing for, but I 1993 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:02.359 see them preparing for some viral marketing campaign coming soon. 1994 01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:05.079 Elvis is still alive. And you know what's interesting to 1995 01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:07.079 me about this is they just had this you know, 1996 01:55:07.239 --> 01:55:10.479 found footage of like we have this old film that 1997 01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:12.479 Elvis meant to release and now you're going to see 1998 01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:16.239 an Elvis performance like you've never seen it before, restored 1999 01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:22.520 in modern technology and all that. Have you seen that? No, 2000 01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:26.319 I haven't telling you man. The Elvis thing is about 2001 01:55:26.359 --> 01:55:30.279 to make a comeback. That's my prediction. And you can 2002 01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:32.840 put that in your bank anyway you want, but it's 2003 01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:37.079 coming anyway. I'll close on that note, but leave you 2004 01:55:37.279 --> 01:55:39.600 with the last word, be Pete before we get started 2005 01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:42.479 with the Age of Transitions and Aaron Franz. 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