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<v Speaker 1>By Billy Cunningham, The Great America.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome this Friday afternoon in the tri State, getting ready,

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<v Speaker 2>of course for Reds baseball tonight in Saint Louis. Three

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<v Speaker 2>games set in Saint Louis, and back room for the Yankees.

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<v Speaker 2>The Yankees are trembling about playing the Reds at my ballpark,

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<v Speaker 2>the Great American, and we have a conversation coming up

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<v Speaker 2>late of the Paul O'Neill, who has his foot in

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<v Speaker 2>both camps. He considers himself more of a Yankee because

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<v Speaker 2>he is a minu in and minument park in center field.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the reason. Rather than the Reds.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the worst trades the Reds ever made was

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<v Speaker 2>trading Paul O'Neill for Roberto Kelly. Whatever happened to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But nonetheless, more important matters are a foot right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining you and I now is State Representative Cidny Abrams

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<v Speaker 2>of the West Side of Town and Sidney Abrams, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And relative first to

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<v Speaker 2>the Patrick Herringer situation, who was murdered in his home

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<v Speaker 2>and this can you tell the American people at this

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<v Speaker 2>point there's an investigation under way about what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the state. You're of your foot also in both camps.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many lawmakers have been Cincinnati police

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<v Speaker 2>officers as you've been and a lawmaker somewhat unusual, But

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<v Speaker 2>who dropped the ball a notifying the local authorities about

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<v Speaker 2>the walking around with a knife of Mordecai Block that

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<v Speaker 2>resulted in the murder of Patrick Herringer. What what was

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<v Speaker 2>the circumstance that happened that caused that to occur.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of.

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<v Speaker 4>All, thank you for having me on today, and I

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<v Speaker 4>will tell you that when I woke up the next

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<v Speaker 4>morning and I read about, you know, the horrific murder

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<v Speaker 4>of Patrick, I immediately started to ask questions and figure

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<v Speaker 4>out what happened and how can I, as a lawmaker

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<v Speaker 4>make positive change so that this does not happen to

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<v Speaker 4>someone else. Now that being said, to answer your question,

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<v Speaker 4>there's nobody in the General Assembly that was a Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 4>police officer, So there's that. So I went to work

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<v Speaker 4>immediately asking questions. You know, I talked to all all

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<v Speaker 4>the parties involved, and the bottom line is this, and

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<v Speaker 4>I will start by saying this, there are so many

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<v Speaker 4>politicians that just stand around and take pictures with the

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<v Speaker 4>police and say we support you, and but when push

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<v Speaker 4>comes to shove, actions speak louder than words.

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<v Speaker 3>We were all taught that as kids, at least I was.

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<v Speaker 4>And at the end of the day, I am not

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<v Speaker 4>just standing around saying, oh, I support you guys and gals.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually take action. So what am I doing? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I've done some research and I found out that at

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, there was no protocol.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what they told me, the Adult par Authority.

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<v Speaker 4>There was no protocol for them to notify that they

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<v Speaker 4>had to notify local law enforcement when they entered the warrant.

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<v Speaker 4>For I call it escape. It's not escape, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>wall or absconding. So when he cut the ankle monitor

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<v Speaker 4>off and decided not to go along with the conditions

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<v Speaker 4>of his release because he was a targeted violent defender

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<v Speaker 4>at CBO, when he walked away and decided he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to to go, you know, live his best life doing

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<v Speaker 4>god knows what, murdering people, that was a violation. So

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<v Speaker 4>at that point, the Adult Pearl Authority has to enter

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<v Speaker 4>the warrant in Leeds, okay. And so what I'm working

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<v Speaker 4>on is it's going to say that the adult parole

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<v Speaker 4>authority shall and you know in the ORC when it

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<v Speaker 4>says shall, that means you have to. There's no other

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<v Speaker 4>way about it. You shall enter that warrant within twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four hours into leeds. And you also shall notify local

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<v Speaker 4>law enforcement of this violent offender on the run. And

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean by local law enforcement your city, your county,

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<v Speaker 4>your township, your village, and the public safety answering point

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<v Speaker 4>which is our communications center. That is the law that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm working on.

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<v Speaker 2>Good more and more Kai Black's case, A little birdie

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<v Speaker 2>told me that he committed numerous felonies in prison in

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<v Speaker 2>the nine and that years he was in prison. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been locked up seventeen of his last eighteen years

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. That he committed numerous felonies in prison. So

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<v Speaker 2>why wasn't he prosecuted for felonies go over the list?

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<v Speaker 2>Selling and using methanphetamine, shanking inmates, fights in prison, and

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<v Speaker 2>no point in prison was he indicted for those felonies

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<v Speaker 2>which would have kept him longer. Why wasn't he indicted

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<v Speaker 2>for selling meth in prison?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what I see is he was under the influence

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<v Speaker 3>of hooch.

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<v Speaker 4>He was making who he was fighting he was not

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<v Speaker 4>obeying the guard's orders. He was under the influence of

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<v Speaker 4>K two and so again I'm also looking into that,

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<v Speaker 4>like why wasn't he charged with the additional crime in

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<v Speaker 4>prison and in the correct in the Administrative Code Department

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<v Speaker 4>of Corrections, they can charge him. The question was why

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't he I don't know, maybe make that in law too,

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<v Speaker 4>I will.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now another issue, he was out and he cut it

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<v Speaker 2>off within about a month of him being out, he

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<v Speaker 2>cut it off. And to get out, to have the

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<v Speaker 2>ankle monitor put on, he had to identify where is

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<v Speaker 2>he's staying, Who's he's with, who are your friends? Next

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<v Speaker 2>of ken, next of In other words, looking ahead to

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<v Speaker 2>him cutting it off, they would have had his address

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<v Speaker 2>next to Ken, phone numbers, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>People to research.

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<v Speaker 2>He committed a terrible burglary like three weeks before the murder,

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<v Speaker 2>and at that point the victims of the burglary in

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati OTR notified the police Mordecai Black is the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that did it, and a no point a CPD say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go get Mordecai Black.

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<v Speaker 2>We have his last known address, we have his friends

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<v Speaker 2>and associates, he's living in OTR. Why didn't CPD say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we got this guy, let's go find him before the murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>When you enter a warrant into leads, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>have all their information, So everything about them, named data, birth,

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<v Speaker 4>everything you mentioned. Okay, the crime they're convicted of, everything, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>And so yes, officially that LEADS that warrant for absconding

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<v Speaker 4>and going a wall was in there at the time

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<v Speaker 4>that they're investigating this other burglary that he was a

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<v Speaker 4>suspect of the issue is this times have changed sadly

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<v Speaker 4>over the last you know, twenty years in law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're short staffed.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I remember when I took the test. There

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<v Speaker 3>were thirty five hundred people there at.

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<v Speaker 4>The convention center to take the test, and they chose

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<v Speaker 4>eighty of us. And so look, there's less young people

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<v Speaker 4>that want to do this job. But what I think

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest issue is is they don't feel law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>Our cops don't feel that they're supported.

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<v Speaker 4>So if they go out and again, look at the

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<v Speaker 4>shooting that just happened, right, I'm not going to any

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<v Speaker 4>of the bad guy's names because I'm not gonna give

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<v Speaker 4>them any air. But I tell you that officer waited

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<v Speaker 4>what a month to be cleared.

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<v Speaker 3>For doing your job, doing your job.

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<v Speaker 4>So again I think that they're short staffed. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 4>do have the CIGIC and they have the task force,

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<v Speaker 4>and they go out and round up bad guys and felons.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Said, if this was put notifying them and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>here's what we got, go get them, I think that

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<v Speaker 4>that would we would absolutely prevent that murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Culturally, cops and you were one thirty five hundred for

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<v Speaker 2>eighty spots. Now CPD goes into the community to advertise

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<v Speaker 2>the fact please make an application. And so at this

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<v Speaker 2>point the cops are told directly indirectly, don't be aggressive,

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<v Speaker 2>don't take a handful of warrns. I was told twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago the cops would show up, not much going on,

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<v Speaker 2>I take a handful of warns, go find these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't happen anymore, right, That's.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, we did that. I mean, whether it's that or

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's stolen cars.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I remember again back in the day, you

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<v Speaker 4>would tape all the license plates and making models of

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<v Speaker 4>every stolen car that's in the area, so you would

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<v Speaker 4>go look for those two and you had time.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>But again, like I said, now, I mean, are you

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<v Speaker 4>supportive when you get a stolen car and get in

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<v Speaker 4>a pursuit of a felon and then they run from

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<v Speaker 4>you and full of gun I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean that's the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this cop waited six weeks to be cleared, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was on desk duty for a while and the

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<v Speaker 2>message was sent.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he close to getting indicted? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Connie Pillach did a good job at the

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<v Speaker 2>news conference and laid it out. But the next next

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<v Speaker 2>time might be a little closer, might be quick. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to make a split second life and debt decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Make the wrong one, your life is over. So the

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<v Speaker 2>law will be called? What to Sidney Abrams? What will

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<v Speaker 2>be the law called? When this thing changes?

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<v Speaker 4>My plan is to name it, of course, with Sarah's permission,

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<v Speaker 4>is to name it after Patrick Patrick Karendra.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah act and maybe in the future there'll be something

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<v Speaker 2>good and valuable coming of it. Let's talk briefly about

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<v Speaker 2>the Larry Henderson Act. I know law enforcement cares about

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<v Speaker 2>this one too. What would that do Officer Larry Henderson

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<v Speaker 2>who was murdered by the father of the kid that

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<v Speaker 2>was shot in the business of stealing cars. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the Larry Henderson Act.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So again after that horrific, So I thought about, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>what is current law. So, when you are convicted of

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<v Speaker 4>aggravated murder of a law enforcement officer, this is current law.

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<v Speaker 4>Your sentencing choices are death okay, the death bounty, or

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<v Speaker 4>life in prison with parole. And there's you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>ten twenty, thirty, forty fifty years where you can come

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<v Speaker 4>up for parole.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So then I thought to myself, first of all, why

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<v Speaker 4>is it only law enforcement officers? You know, we should

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<v Speaker 4>include all of our first responders, right, so every police

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<v Speaker 4>officer right the city, county, od and our corrections troopers,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody including the FEDS, and our first responders are firefighters,

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<v Speaker 4>are emt are paramedic, and our military members. If you

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<v Speaker 4>wear a uniform, this act is going to protect you.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone kills you on purpose, they have a plan, They

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<v Speaker 4>do it on purpose. They're convicted of aggravated murder. Your

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<v Speaker 4>sentencing choices are death or life without parole. I am

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<v Speaker 4>sick and tired of the assault on the people that

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<v Speaker 4>are here keeping us safe every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>Because at this point, if you can I'm a police officer,

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<v Speaker 2>a first responder, someone with the fire department, whatever, you

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<v Speaker 2>can get to life imprisonment, but it doesn't mean without parole.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there was a cop killer about ten years

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<v Speaker 2>ago who was paroled and he's now living on the

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<v Speaker 2>beaches of California, which is incredible, and god knows, a

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<v Speaker 2>future governor might say, it's really the death penalty largely

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<v Speaker 2>is unused completely now and people talk about life without

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of parole. But the governor can still issue a pardon.

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<v Speaker 2>And we had Dick Celeste do that in mass about

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years ago, that he took everybody off death row

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<v Speaker 2>and gave them the possibility of parole. But this law

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<v Speaker 2>that Larry Henderson Act would keep that from occurring.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>Or could a future governor down the road say, anyway, well,

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<v Speaker 2>even though Sidney Abrams would like to have somebody in

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<v Speaker 2>prison for the rest of their life, after all, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy was young, he was disadvantaged, he's already been serving

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<v Speaker 2>thirty thirty five years and as a consequence, let's pardon him.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that eliminate the governor's part in power.

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<v Speaker 4>No, but I guess the question would have to be asked, like,

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<v Speaker 4>as governor, are you going to live with that when

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<v Speaker 4>they come out and kill again?

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<v Speaker 3>But you have to live with that in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>All right now, all you can do is a lawmaker

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<v Speaker 2>is do the law and then whatever the well, it

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<v Speaker 2>is despicable and last night another kid was killed and

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<v Speaker 2>over the rhine last night again every day, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>told by city fathers and mothers they have to have

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<v Speaker 2>pure of all that it's a safe community. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's about twenty thousand shots fired every year according to

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<v Speaker 2>shot Spotter in the city of Cincinnati, twenty thousand shots fired,

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<v Speaker 2>only five hundred people are wounded. It's a terrible circumstance.

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<v Speaker 2>It begins with law enforcement. And when there's one cop

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<v Speaker 2>between the Ohio River and North otr at three o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, that's a problem. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>cops are reticent about doing their job because of fear

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<v Speaker 2>two if we can. Tony Bender, many others may have

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<v Speaker 2>a dog and what is the dog bill? I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's called the aver rebill, And what is the dog bill,

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<v Speaker 2>We had some of these vicious pit pulls running around

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<v Speaker 2>biting people, killing people, biting off parts of their body.

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<v Speaker 2>And what does the new dog Bill do if anything?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so what happened not just down here in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 4>but across the state. We had devastating, horrific people that

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<v Speaker 4>were severely injured or killed by these dogs running around

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<v Speaker 3>There was a older woman over in Circleville. She was

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<v Speaker 3>out literally just pulling the weeds in her front garden

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<v Speaker 4>And so that whenever something horrific happens, of course it

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<v Speaker 4>look at Okay, now, what are we doing here? And

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<v Speaker 4>what all this comes down to? This personal responsibility. That's

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<v Speaker 4>all it is. You have a dog, you are responsible

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<v Speaker 4>for that dog. And we're not talking about if someone

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<v Speaker 4>is messing with the dog, you know, you're wrestling with

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<v Speaker 4>the dog, or you're provoking it. No, we are talking

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<v Speaker 4>about unprovoked attacks. Just like Avery. She was eleven years old.

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<v Speaker 4>She went over for a playdate at her friend's house

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<v Speaker 4>and these the dogs mauled her so horrifically. She was

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<v Speaker 4>severely injured. She's had multiple surgeries, and let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 4>if you have a few minutes, you need to watch

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<v Speaker 4>Public Safety Committee when she came in and she gave testimony.

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<v Speaker 4>She is a strong twelve year old young lady and

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<v Speaker 4>we are so proud for sharing her story. And so

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<v Speaker 4>what this bill does basically is it holds dog owners

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<v Speaker 3>You're responsible for that dog. If you let it.

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<v Speaker 4>Run around the neighborhood and it bites a running or

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<v Speaker 4>walking or a kid riding its bike, shame on you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be a criminal penalty. You'll have a

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<v Speaker 4>misdemeanor if it's serious injury and I'm one, and if

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<v Speaker 4>it kills, if your dog kills somebody, it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a felony of the fourth degree. We're tired of it.

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<v Speaker 4>We're sending a message and it's going to give the

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to have due process in court. Every will

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<v Speaker 4>have their court and the judge will declare whether that

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<v Speaker 3>Down or not.

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<v Speaker 2>So the one bite rule is done. One bite is done.

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<v Speaker 2>A person with a vicious dog is held accountable. You

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<v Speaker 2>buy everything that dog does.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Lastly, head on a lawmaker. It might have been the

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<v Speaker 2>speaker Matt Huffman about a week or two ago. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's a vote we're going to have in Ohio in

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<v Speaker 2>November or in May that will eliminate all real estate

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<v Speaker 2>property taxes. You give the American people a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>eliminate real estate property taxes, they're likely to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that means there goes the funding for the schools,

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<v Speaker 2>police and fire, et cetera. And then he said that

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<v Speaker 2>if that goes out the window, that the sales tax

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<v Speaker 2>will be twenty percent. So that means everybody that has

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<v Speaker 2>a big purchase will go to Covington, will go to Batesville,

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<v Speaker 2>because who's going to pay twenty percent sales tax? Getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of real lif state taxes. That's a great idea. However,

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<v Speaker 4>Well, actually it sounds the folks that are collecting signatures.

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<v Speaker 4>I would caution everyone. I would say, please do not

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<v Speaker 4>sign that petition. And here's why, listen, I live in Harrison, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 4>They're fiscally responsible here, they're conservative, they're not wasting money.

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<v Speaker 4>If property taxes were totally eliminated, we would not the

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<v Speaker 4>City of Harrison would not be the City of Harrison

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<v Speaker 4>as it is. Now, what do I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 4>Their police, their fire, their streets department, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>to pay for things like I just mentioned, please fire roads,

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<v Speaker 4>right and the whole nine yards, our schools educating our children.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, the speaker is totally right. We the General

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<v Speaker 4>Assembly would have to say, Okay, well, how are we

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, you have to now what

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<v Speaker 4>I will say in the budget. And we're working on

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<v Speaker 4>the Conference committee. Now I'm not in the conference committee.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the end of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Day, we are trying to deliver property tax relief for ohiolands.

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<v Speaker 3>We get it, We also pay it.

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<v Speaker 4>We all have a tax bill that we pay, and

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<v Speaker 4>you get the program.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the state pays for a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Things, yeah, including police and fire and getting the streets

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<v Speaker 2>under control. But once again State Representative sending Abras, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show this Friday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>The budgets all that stuff important, and we have people

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<v Speaker 2>like Mordecai Black running around OTR, which is a almost

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<v Speaker 2>like Tombstone. It's like the Ok Corral, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, a good man and a good woman, a

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<v Speaker 2>man's life's taken defending Sarah against his fish's criminal because

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<v Speaker 2>this State to Ohio and city police together did not

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<v Speaker 2>go find this guy, and after he burglarized his ex

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<v Speaker 2>Mordecai Black and she identifies him as the person that

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<v Speaker 2>later he murdered Patrick Herringer in his home. Something's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be done. But Sidney Abrams, thanks again. Continue to

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<v Speaker 2>have a great day, and we'll talk later and after

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<v Speaker 2>the budget has approved and Sidney Abrams, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're a great American.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, thanks for having me. Let's continue

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