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Speaker 1: From Studio A and Beautiful West Michigan and proven winners

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Color Choice Shrubs. It's the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy

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Hervella me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson.

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Well today, Stacey, we're going to give us sprout Out

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to all those who attempt to grow fresh produce in

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their homes. I mean, in early August we did a

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show on garden Topia, so why don't we do a

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show on sprout Topia. Our show is made with homegrown ingredients,

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no sugar, no fat, no cholesterol, and proven to promote

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clean air and good health. Can you tell my doctor's

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been talking? Is it practical to grow vegetables indoors? Maybe

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some leafy greens and some herbs. Remember there are people

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who believe that it's not practical to grow vegetables outdoors.

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Remember reading the book the sixty four Dollars Tomato.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Yes, that made quite the stir. But you know

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what I have. I take a huge objection to that now,

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as I have many of me mentioned on the show before.

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I am a knitter, and let me tell you, as

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any knitter can attest, you do not knit because you

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are saving money you knit, and you pay for hobby

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time and then you get something great at the end.

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Speaker 3: And it's the same with the tomatoes here.

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Speaker 2: You're here, You're not like, oh, I'm going to save

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so much money, Like how many tomatoes are you buying?

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That you think that growing your own tomatoes is going

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to be a money saving endeavor.

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Speaker 3: It is not.

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Speaker 2: It is a hobby, a vocation, a calling, an experiment.

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Speaker 1: However, however, there is I mean, a tomato that comes

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out of your backyard taste so good. I wouldn't say

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so with an indoor tomato, but a tomato that comes

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out of your backyard, Wow, does that taste good?

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Speaker 3: Right? I mean, it really does.

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Speaker 2: And there is certainly some mental aspect to that where

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you are you know, pre programmed to like it since

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you worked so hard growing it. But on the other hand,

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and you know, the biggest advantage you have growing your

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own produce is that you eliminate the need to transport it.

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And increasingly in the US, produce has declining quality because

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it's the you know, the riper it is, the softer

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it is, so it doesn't make that trip very well

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from wherever it was grown to you. Even that includes

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frummer's markets really because you know, big old truck on

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bumpy country roads and people have absolutely zero tolerance for

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quote imperfect produce.

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Speaker 1: And today a lot of talk about these giga farms

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that are indoor growing facilities growing vegetables that they build

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and go vertical and put them near heavily populated areas.

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It's fascinating when I hear giga farms. I think of

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giga wants and doctor Brown was it and Marty with

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the Back to the Future. But anyhow, yeah, it's it's

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real futuristic, I guess. And so growing in plants indoor

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or growing vegetables indoors, obviously you need reliable light, air,

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temperature space for both roots and top growth, drainage, air movement, nutrients, source, maintenance,

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probably some bugs thrown in. So how about a little

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easier solution. Sprout it from the rooftops sprouts.

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Speaker 2: You know, I am a big believer in sprouts, and

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I have to say I am surprised. I've been sprouting

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for a long time, not consistently, but you know, I

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started doing it a long time ago, and because I

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just really liked sprouts, and of course there have been

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all through time. You know, different food recalls concerning sprouts,

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a lot of surface area there. They're very delicate, and

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you know, I'm I have to say, I am shocked

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in this day and age of all sorts of gadgets

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and Instagram and people glamorizing all of this, you know,

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plant lifestyle that sprouts to this day still have not

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really caught on in the way that they should.

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Speaker 1: That's true, and I agree with you because they're fun

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to grow, they're nutritious, they're.

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Speaker 3: Easy, they're so easy.

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Speaker 1: I mean there was a time when I got into

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kombucha and I got myself a Scobie and I gave

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up on it because it was so much work. I

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but sprouts are relatively easy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sprouts are compared to kombucha, sprouts are much easier. Yes.

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And you know, I was once in a little bit

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of a kombucha phase and when it came time and

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you know, as our listeners, no I am not really

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squeamish like bugs, don't freak me out. The time came

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that I had to separate out the kombucha mother oh man,

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ib out lost it. It was horrendous. I couldn't after that,

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I couldn't do it. But sprouts aren't gross at all.

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And you know, I think again going back to like

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all of these gadgets and things that are marketed to

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us on Instagram as ways to grow vegetables indoors, I

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think we have to kind of think critically about, Like,

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you wouldn't want to live in one of those gigafarms,

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right it would be you know, you'd be living under

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weird led pink lights, which might be fun for a

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brief period, but not long term really you know, cold,

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because you need really good air circulation. A farm is

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not an indoor farm, is not a place to live,

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and your place to live is not really an indoor farm.

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So I think, you know, I never want to discourage

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people from trying anything when it comes to plants in gardening, like,

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by all means, try it, but I think very often,

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as is the case with many things these days, expectations

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are not always realistic about what you can do indoors,

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whereas with sprouts, what you see is what you get.

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Speaker 1: That's very true and stacy as far as sprouts are concerned, too,

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you don't have to worry that much about light. We'll

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figure that out today as we have an interview in

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segment four with the Sprout people.

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Speaker 3: The sprout people, but.

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Speaker 1: I do want to mention and I had a conversation

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we had them on our show a few weeks ago.

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Noah dear o'hanian, and he said that in the winter months,

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you've got to get the light right, especially if you're

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going to try and grow some leafy vegetables. So today

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there are units and all kinds of kits that you

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can buy to grow indoor leafy vegetables. But the key

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component is the availability of indoor lighting today is unreal

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compared to what we used to have. And the LED

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lights are unreal. Noah would say to me, get something

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that's full spectrum. And if you're going to look online

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for something like that, you want to CRII, which is

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a color rendering index of at least ninety or better.

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you're looking for something in that five thousand to six thousand,

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five hundred K range. So those are the key things

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to look for if you're going to go online. But Stacey,

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if you're out there shopping for LED grow lights today,

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it's un believable what's available.

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Speaker 2: And you know what else, is unbelievable at them is

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the price. They are so affordable, and I think you

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and I can certainly attest to a time where you

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would have to be so serious about indoor growing to

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invest in lights, and now it's just like it's nothing.

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They run cooler, they're not expensive to run. But you know,

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lighting is obviously crucial. You cannot grow most food aside

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from sprouts, indoors without light. But you know, light is

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not the only thing. It's also the air circulation, it's

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also the warmth. And it just goes back to these

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conditions that we don't want to live in, and neither

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do the vegetables.

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Speaker 3: So what's going to give?

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Speaker 1: Right, I don't want to live under a shop light

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that I bought from the hardware store, and that's how

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I used to do it, with the fluorescent bulbs in it.

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look at the list and we'll talk about it in

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segment for brassica sprouts like broccoli and cabbage, grain sprouts,

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a arugola. There's even of course doggies sprouts. Adriana was

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talking to us about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got them, and she got the four legs

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of love mix from sprout People and gave it to

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her dog, So please be sure to check it out

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on YouTube and see the dogs enjoying the sprouts. So

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sprouts are also not just for people.

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Speaker 1: I always had a cat in the house and grew

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wheat grass. I have a lot of friends, a number

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of friends who are into lawn care and they go

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through withdrawal in the winter, so they grow some wheat grass,

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have a scissors on their desk. They groom the lawn

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now and then it makes.

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Speaker 3: Them Really the lawn people do that.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's fun because you go through withdraw Actually,

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for me and I brought this along. I'm going to

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share it with you and Adriana, I brought this along.

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But this is this is my juice. It is made

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from wheat grass, alfalfa grass and beats. I brought along

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shot glasses if you want to try it for those

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watching on you. But wheat grass is so much fun

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to grow. Obviously, people love to grow mung being sprung

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yes arguably the most popular, and then of course pea shoots. Now,

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pea shoots are really cool to grow because you can

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grow them in coconut coir and have fun growing something

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in the dead of winter that's nutritious, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think it really is just that people need to

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kind of if you want to grow food indoors, I

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think it's important to start shifting your mentality from I'm

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going to grow tomatoes and basil and rosemary to I

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am going to grow sprouts and microgreens, all in wheat

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grass and things that have a short life cycle. Because

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all of these things are ready very quickly, yes, and

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they don't need special equipment. They're not going to disrupt

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your life or your bank account, very easy to kind

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of just work into your regular life, and even if

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you don't eat them that you know, as a gardener,

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I think that process of watching things grow, like your

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lawn buddies with their wheat grass, it's so refreshing. It

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really truly does help you get through the depths of winter,

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which we are most certainly in at this very moment.

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Speaker 1: And the sprouts are delicious because I have full transparency

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here that wheat grass and alfalfa grass juice. I hate it.

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It tastes awful, it tastes terrible, but it lowers cholesterol.

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It's supposed to be good for an old guy like me.

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So I drink it, but I'd rather eat sprouts. So

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we're going to talk about it in segment four today

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with Gil and Laurie, the sprout people. Coming up next,

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Stacy will talk to us about plants on trial. We'll

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see what she has on her mind today. That's next

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welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. We are talking

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about sprouts and growing things indoors to get you through

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the winter, things that you can eat and Rick. You know,

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I couldn't help, but notice a tiny bit of resentment

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in your voice talking about how the wheat grass and

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alf alpha grass stuff that you drink tastes horrible.

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Speaker 1: It's awful. But let me quickly mention Stacy, Gill and Laurie,

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who will talk to in segment four. They have a

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wheat grass smoothie that allegedly tastes much better than what

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I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, this is what I'm onto is. You know,

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we often say on the show golden age of plant breeding.

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So maybe there is a plant breeder out there who

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can work on, you know, making those things just as

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nutritious and just as healthy, maybe new and something about

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the flavor.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Maybe it's possible.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not like pecan pine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. You never know, you never know.

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Speaker 2: Far be it from me to claim what might be

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possible for the numerous talented plant breed There you go,

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that's exactly it, and maybe it'll sprout. So anyway, I

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always try to tie, of course, the plants on trial

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into the theme of the show, and it was not easy.

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Today I would say it was nihon impossible. Now we

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do have in the proven Winner's Color Choice line some

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plants that have edible fruit. Some of them are so

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new that they're not even really out on the market

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yet and won't be until twenty twenty six. So I

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obviously can't talk about those and get you all excited

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about something you can't grow yet. And most of the

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other things that we have that have some sort of

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edible component I've already talked about, you know, and so

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it kind of left me with few options. So I

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turned to the plant names, and that is how I

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settled on today's plant on trial, Soft serve false Cypress.

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Speaker 1: Love it ice cream? You scream, We all scream for

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ice And.

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Speaker 2: It may be the middle of winter, and that might

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be a good excuse for you to not eat your veggies.

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Nothing growing not, didn't go to the store. All you

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have is ice cream, soft serve. False Cypress gets the

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first part of its name, the soft serve part, because

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it is a beautiful structural conical shaped evergreen, so almost

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like you know, the proverbial soft serve ice cream cone

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where they you know, do the swirly bits there.

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Speaker 1: My grandson loves it.

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Speaker 3: Who doesn't, you know, So it has a little bit

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of that. Of course, it is.

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Speaker 2: Green and not striped white and brown, chocolate and vanilla,

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and so that's where that part of the name came from.

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But as I was writing all of this up and

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thinking about it, I realized that the name false Cypress has.

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Speaker 3: A whole lot of confusion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of plants out there. Good

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point called cypress, or that somehow have cypress in their name.

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And I think, especially for those of us who live

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in a cold climate, we're a little bit unsure of

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just precisely what a cypress is. Now, if you've been

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to Italy, you have seen the archetypical cypress, those beautiful, narrow,

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tall evergreens that just dot the landscape throughout the Mediterranean.

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That is a cypress Cupressus sempervirons, also known as Italian

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cypress and false cypress Cama ciprius. So not Cupressus is

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in the cypress family, but it's not a cypress. And

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you want to hear how it gets even more confusing,

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So the name false cypress, So the name Cama ciprius

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does not translate to false cypress. It actually translates to

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dwarf cypress. And it's not dwarf, No, they're not. It's

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not dwarf. I mean maybe compared to like a really

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mature Italian cypress, which could easily probably get to be

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near fifty feet tall, Cama Ciprus pacifera, which is the

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species of today's plant on trial soft serve, false cypress

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probably taps out around fifteen feet, which I would not say,

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really quite Counts's dwarf. So I think Linnaeus got that

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a little bit wrong as he was doling out botanical

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names beck in the day. The pacifera part of the name,

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so Cama Cippus pacifera here is the scientific name of

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soft serve. Cama cipress false cypress translates to the Latin

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for pea bearing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is getting more confusing as we go, right.

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Speaker 3: And it's yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if you look up a picture of the fruits

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of Camma Zipprus pacifera, I mean, I guess they're a

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little bit pe like. They're round, they're green when they're fresh.

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They end up turning brown as a pea would as well.

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They don't come into pod. They just look like a

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little green kind of like a little round ball of

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It reminds me of shields, like the shape of a

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shields kind of multiplied over a sphere, but tiny, like

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about the size of a pee. So Camasiperus pacifica, soft serve.

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What's in a name? You know? I guess when I

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started thinking about today's plan on Child's based on the name.

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Of course, I had to go deep into the name

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and the etymology there so there we are. So as

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you know already and you can see on the YouTube

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version or in the show notes at Gardeningsimplified an air

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dot com. This is a conical evergreen looks like one

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of those, and one of the reasons that we introduced

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it was as an alternative for Dwarfelberta spruce. How do

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you feel about doorfel bertuspruce?

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just going to say that we in

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one show talked about touchable plants, and for me, Hammi

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cyprus is one of those touchable plants compared to a

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Dwarf Aulburta spruce. Now, I like dwarf Alberta spruce, Oh

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you do, but they're kind of ubiquitous.

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Speaker 3: Ubiquitous is one way to put it. Yes, I mean

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I do.

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Speaker 2: I do feel like this is a plant that kind

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of is like the blue spruce was in the seventies

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and eighties, where everybody and their brother planted it. I

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would say Dwarf Alberta sort of had its day maybe

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in the late eighties.

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Speaker 3: Nineties, Yeah, eighties.

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Speaker 2: Very nineties plant and the nineties are in right now.

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Please don't bring back the Dwarf Elberta spruce with all

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of those crazy sweaters.

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Speaker 1: Remember, Stacey, I come from the gardens right now.

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Speaker 2: And that's but that's the other thing about dwarf Alberta spruce. Right.

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People go to the garden center and they see this cute,

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little like one or two gallon dwarf Alberta spruce and

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they're like.

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Speaker 3: I love that cute.

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Speaker 2: It's cute, it's small, it's tidy. I like that shape.

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And then they bring it home and they plant it,

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not looking at the tag and they say, okay, well

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it says it's going to be, you know, up to

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thirteen or fifteen feet tall. Yeah, right, I don't think

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this little cute thing is going to turn out to

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be fifteen feet tall and ten feet wide. Time goes

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by and next thing you know, you got this giant

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dwarf al bird of spruce.

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Speaker 3: That's like eating your house.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 2: And dwarfel bird of spruce also have another substantial liability,

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and that is because of that very very dense branching,

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they are quite susceptible to spider miight.

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Speaker 1: Spider Miight City wash with a hose constantly.

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Speaker 3: So that works.

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Speaker 2: That's one way, but I don't think most people will

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wash their dwarf. That's just another thing that makes your

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neighbors wonder about you. But they are naturally susceptible to

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spider rights. So add in the fact that people tend

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to plant these around their front door so near the

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house where they're not getting super great air circulation. They

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tend to not always space them properly because they don't

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believe in as they can't be blamed, don't believe it's

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going to get to be such epic proportions. And they

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also revert. And you've seen this, I know we've talked

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about it on the show before. So dwarfilbert of spruce

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is what is known as like a witch's broom or

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a sport off of a white spruce. Now, a white

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spruce is like a full size spruce tree, big old

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spruce tree, you know, sixty feet or more tall and

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certainly very very wide. And this is just a little

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mutation that someone picked up on and is propagated and

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sent all over North America and the world. But they

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they seem to be especially susceptible to reverting back to

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that full tree form. So you have your cute, little

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dense dwarfelberd of spruce and then all of a sudden,

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white spruce just busting out of it like the Hulk.

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Speaker 1: It's the perfect thing to sell at Christmas time. Put

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a little red bow some ornaments on it, sold millions

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of them.

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Speaker 2: If you do have a dwarfel bird of spruce that reverted,

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that's what you should do. Wait until Christmas to prune

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out the reversion. Just prune that out and then you

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got your Christmas tree right there. If you have a

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dwarfilbird of spruce that has a big old tree coming

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out of it, that is not a seedling that fell

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through the middle. That is literally the plant reverting back

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to its old self. So you want to cut that

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out as soon as possible, or if not, a Christmas

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so you have your own Christmas tree. So suffice it

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to say, dwarfilberder spruce has a lot of liabilities, but

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people love that conical shape. They love the dense branching.

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And that's where soft serve comes in, is it provides

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that same nice, beautiful dense shape. It has really lovely

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fern like branching.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at a single branch, it does

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quite look like a fern sort of bluish undersides with

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a white stripe that's kind of interesting, a nice resiny,

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piny kind of smell. People do get them confused often

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with arbiidy and don't understand the difference between chemisippress and arbivity.

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But one of the things, of course, is that arbividy

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smells deliciously fruity. Where's cammisipsus smell very kind of resinous.

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And you can also tell because if the plan has

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been decimated by deer, it's an arbor vidy, and if

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it hasn't been touched, it's a false cypress. Because they

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are a great alternative for people who want the look

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of an arbor vity but have deer. They aren't quite

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as shade tolerant as an arbor vidy, but they do

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have similar cold and heat tolerance and are pretty much

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just as easy to grow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're perfect for the home landscape.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they really are.

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Speaker 2: And it's just a refreshing change from all those dwarfell

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Berdus bruces.

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Speaker 3: So if you are in the.

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Speaker 2: Market for a beautiful, tight, conical evergreen with that great

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structure in year round beauty looks great with Christmas lights

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on it. Soft served camisiperus. Learn more about it at

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Gardeningsimplified on air dot com and be sure to ask

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for it at your local garden center this spring when

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shopping season begins. We're going to take a little break.

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Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome

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back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's time for us

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to answer your gardening questions, celebrate your gardening successes, or

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just you know, commiserate, because yeah, if you don't have

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other gardeners in your life who you can commiserate with,

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you know that can be kind of a sad thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so nice to hang around gardeners.

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Speaker 2: They're nice people, and I you know that's gardeners truly

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are nice people, and they tend to be very generous

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with their knowledge. You know, there's certainly other things where

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people are very secretive, they don't want to share their

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discoveries and they guard it all up. And gardeners are

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and I think traditionally have always been very generous. You know,

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if you have a gardener in your life, you're probably

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not leaving their your house. You're probably not leaving their

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house without a plant. And if you are, it's because

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they've already tried and you've declined.

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Speaker 1: As gardeners will dole out advice whether you want.

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Speaker 3: It or not.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's true to you, as we can attest. But

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a listener, Sandy wrote us with some great suggestion. She

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is using a dead red seedar, which is Juniperus virginiana,

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popular landscape plant, especially in the Northeast and southeast, and

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she had one that died and she sends pictures of it.

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She covered it with a single like round of chicken

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wire and is using it to grow up a honeysuckle

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line that I love that too, And you know, the

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great thing is that, yes, the honeysuckle vine will absolutely

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be able to find its way. It's not a huge tree,

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much like my maple tree that was a subject of

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some questions a few weeks ago. So not a huge tree,

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but that chicken wire really helps to provide more surface

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area for it to find its way up. So she

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sent a picture of the chicken wire around the dead

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tree trunk in the winter, as well as one when

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the honeysuckle is in flower, so you can see that

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as the plant starts to leaf out in winter, that

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chicken wire is very apparent, but you know, you're not

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looking out the window anyway, hopefully, but then by the

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time summer rolls around, it just completely covers that. And

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she just has this beautiful, flowering, giant mushroom looking thing

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in her yard.

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Speaker 1: And Sandy can go beyond that. We've had jan Johnson

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on our show, The Garden Topia Show, and she did

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a great article on stumpery's or something called a stumper ye.

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So you know, if we celebrate dead and dying foliage

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in the fall, why not celebrate dead stumps and use

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them for something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they're great for birds too. Yeah,

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woodpeckers love them. So there's if you can safely leave

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a dead tree in your yard, there's so so many benefits.

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And if your neighbors are like, why is my crazy

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neighbor not taking down the dead tree in their yard,

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you just cover it with a vine and all as well.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: That is my strategy anyway. So what do we got

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in the mailbag?

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Speaker 1: Patricia? I think I got that name?

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Speaker 3: I'd say probably Patricia.

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Speaker 1: Patricia writing to us from Italy, watching from Italy thirty

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five kilometers north of Venice, USDA Zone equivalent eight, writes

476
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to us, says loves the show. I have a small

477
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:52,039
urban garden this autumn had a nine meter Chantelier Sanchanta

478
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,799
clear calorie pear removed as it had outgrown the space

479
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and suffered from city mold. Covered everything from the terraces,

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blinds all plants underneath. Trying to be organic? Is going

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to plant a crepe myrtle locally grown? How can I

482
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help the nutrient plants I'll be putting back into my

483
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,319
blue border thrive as the soil is trampled, super washed

484
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,680
out by heavy rain. Bear now in winter, even weeds

485
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have stopped growing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and She also goes on to say, if you

487
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have time, how to help my osakazuki Japanese maple suffering

488
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from iron deficiency.

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Speaker 1: I think that is one of the best fall color Japanese.

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Speaker 3: Mape It is a beautiful one.

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Speaker 2: And she sends a picture, so you can check that

492
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out on the YouTube version or in the show notes

493
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at Gardening Simplified on air dot Com. So two questions here.

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Number one, how to deal with the bad soil where

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she had the Bradford pear. So Shanta clear, I always

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say Bradford paar. Bradford is actually a specific variety of

497
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calorie pear, but it kind of stands in like you know,

498
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Kleenex or band aids. So she specified a specific variety

499
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of it, but it's basically a Bradford paar. So that

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got removed kind of destroyed the oil. She had a

501
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heavy rainfall, So how does she restore that soil? So

502
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you know, the truth is, when you need to improve

503
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,519
any soil, the number one thing you got to do

504
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,559
is get organic matter back in there. In Organic matter

505
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,200
is going to make the plant the conditions more favorable,

506
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:20,759
favorable for plant growth. It's going to improve the texture

507
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:25,039
and structure of the soil, but it's not always practical,

508
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,240
especially if there are already some plants there to you know,

509
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,640
go and till in or dig in a whole bunch

510
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,880
of organic matter. So to me, the key here really

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00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,160
is compost and or mulch. And you can put you know,

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a thin ish layer, say two to three inches five

513
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:43,799
to seven centimeters of compost over that without really tilling

514
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:45,440
it in. If your soil is not super heavy clay,

515
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you can just kind of rake it in. But I

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00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:49,839
think malch really for Patrizia is going to be the

517
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,039
key to starting to revitalize this area. And I think

518
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,079
you can still plant the great myrtle that you're thinking

519
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,440
about planting, and then just cover that area with mulch

520
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,279
and let the mult do its thing. Let it sit,

521
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:06,079
let it start to decompose, let those microorganisms start to work.

522
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Keep that mult topped up over the next couple of years,

523
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and I think that that will not only help to

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build up organic matter, but it prevents further soil loss

525
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,160
in erosion and other nutrient loss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah here here, if you that's the great thing about

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00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,640
organic matter is if you want to add that to

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00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,960
the soil, it works. If the soil is well drained

529
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,400
or too drained, And it also works in clay soil. Yeah,

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it works both ways.

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Speaker 2: It works in sandy soil too. Anyway, your soils are

532
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,599
so sandy that they don't hold much water. Now, when

533
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,839
we say organic matter, what we really just mean is

534
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,079
a soil amendment made from something that was living. So

535
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,200
this could be composted manure. Of course, composts are made

536
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,880
of you know, decomposed vegetables and vegetation and all of that.

537
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,559
So we're looking in bark is a leaf, Beef compost

538
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,319
is another one. So just something that was made from

539
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:02,240
something that was once living or from a living organism.

540
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:05,599
That is organic matter. And that's what really works those

541
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,680
wonders for troubled soils to again revitalize the structure, revitalize

542
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,480
the nutrition, and yeah, mulching is one really easy way

543
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,160
to do that. Now, as for the iron deficiency on

544
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,720
the maple, maples in general are fairly susceptible to iron deficiency.

545
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,920
But the key here is you don't want to just

546
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,039
keep putting a band aid on a problem. You need

547
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,920
to discover what is the cause of the iron deficiency

548
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,359
in the maple, and some common causes for that are

549
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,240
soil pH high soil pH so basically a more alkaline

550
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:44,400
soil above like seven seven point five that will bind

551
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,799
any iron that's in the soil and prevent the plant

552
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:48,440
from taking it up. So you need to know what

553
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,880
your soil pH is. If you say put iron key latis,

554
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,240
she mentions that she's done for her hydranges, but doesn't

555
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400
seem to be helping the maple. Again, you're not changing

556
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,480
the problem. You'll just have to continue doing that. So

557
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,960
you would then want to instead put something on your

558
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,680
soil to lower that pH into a more favorable you

559
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,599
know level. High calcium. Calcium will also tie up nutrients

560
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,759
in the soil, so you could naturally have high calcium

561
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,559
if you have limestone soil, and that will also tie

562
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,160
up nitrogen or sorry iron high salt content. You know,

563
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
I say, I don't know anything about the soils in

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00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,480
Italy at all, much less thirty five kilometers north of Venice,

565
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,559
so I don't know exactly what you're dealing with. And

566
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you know, she does mention in talking about the.

567
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,079
Speaker 3: Removed pear tree.

568
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:36,359
Speaker 2: Heavy rain and excessive leeching from heavy rains or excessive

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00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,839
watering can also take out the iron. So I would

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00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,680
recommend Patricia that you figure out what is the cause

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of the iron deficiency and then you can work on

572
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,000
resolving it so you're not just you know, putting down

573
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,240
chemicals every single year and getting you know, low to

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00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,440
mediocre results.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have an erborus friend who taught me years ago.

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When he would approach a tree trying to diagnose a problem,

577
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,240
he always said, looked down, not up. Our tendency is

578
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,720
to look up in trees, but look down. Is the

579
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,319
soil compacted? Is it a heavy clay soil? Possibly the

580
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,359
roots are girdling. There are a host of different roads

581
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,079
you could go down. Yeah, with this problem.

582
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:18,519
Speaker 2: So you have to be a little bit of a detective.

583
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,440
But that'll get you started. And I will post some

584
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,079
iron amendment links on the show notes for you.

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Speaker 1: Neil writes to us this week, my area southeastern Ohio

586
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,519
has had about six to eight inches of accumulated snow.

587
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,599
I feel your pain. Over the past few days, both

588
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,359
Stacy and I have had somewhere in the area of

589
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:39,519
what about twenty.

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00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: Inches, I'd say we've got about two feet yeah, probably

591
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last week.

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00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,359
Speaker 1: Wow, So a lot of time to be inside and

593
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,880
be bored says Neil. A rumor has been spreading that

594
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:53,839
is this a good time to throw out some wildflower seed?

595
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,079
Being bored? And I thought, well, what can it hurt?

596
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,000
So I went out to the shed, found some wildflowers

597
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,359
seed and threw it out in a flower bed that

598
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,200
was full of snow. Am I gonna have wildflowers? Or

599
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,079
should I have found something else to cure my board? Well,

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00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:12,599
you know, this is certainly something you can do. And

601
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,559
one thing I would suggest is getting online, Neil and

602
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:21,240
looking at all these people who are taking milk containers

603
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:25,000
one gallon jugs, cutting them and then retaping them with

604
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:28,559
duct tape and putting seeds in there, and sowing seeds

605
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,680
from yarrow to colendula to poppies, parsley, whatever it may

606
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,559
be fun thing to do. So no, I think that

607
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:44,000
that freeze thaw cycle of stratification for a lot of seeds.

608
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:46,279
We can take advantage of it in the winter.

609
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: Especially wildflowers or native plants. So what Rick is talking

610
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,440
about is a process called winter sown sown. And yeah,

611
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,319
gardeners basically take milk jugs, cut them in half, like

612
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:59,640
you said, label them. Got to make sure you know

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00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,240
what's in there. And then it's a great way to

614
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,480
start all sorts of things, certainly native perennials, but people

615
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,880
use them for annuals for cold hardy vegetables like kale

616
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,759
and lettuce and onions, and there's just tons and tons

617
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,839
of resources online. So Neil, the bottom line is what

618
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,519
you did could result in wildflowers, but you have to

619
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,240
also consider we still have many more weeks of winter

620
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,039
here in the Midwest. Birds are hungry, squirrels are hungry,

621
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,119
possum raccoon are all hungry, and they just found that

622
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,200
wildflower seed that.

623
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,319
Speaker 1: You put out there.

624
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:33,319
Speaker 3: So it's been put to good use.

625
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,599
Speaker 2: But the fact is, if you want to keep your

626
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,359
wildflower seed, probably storing it away in one of these

627
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:41,599
milk jugs would be a safer way to make sure

628
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,960
it makes it all the way to spring. So we

629
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will put some resources for this process of winter sewing

630
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,440
in the show notes. We're going to take a little

631
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break before we come back with Lori and Gil from

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Sprout People and learn all about sprouting. So please stay tuned.

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We have a very special treat for you. You know,

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we've been talking about things that you can grow indoors

640
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,280
in the winter and have a little bit of a

641
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,440
refreshing break from all of the cold and gloom and

642
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,679
actually hopefully get something to eat. And you know, one

643
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,679
thing that we've said repeatedly is that you know, sprouts

644
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,039
like alfelfas sprouts, bean sprouts, all of these things deserve

645
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,719
to have their day. And we're really surprised that after

646
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,320
all of this time and Instagram and TikTok and all

647
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of these opportunities for people to learn about them, that

648
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,599
it does not seem like they've really taken off. Well,

649
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,199
they've taken off from the Gardening Simplified Show because Adriana

650
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,039
and I have been growing them and having a great time,

651
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and we ordered our sprouts from a company called called

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sproutpeople dot org. So we thought that the owner, one

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00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440
of the owners, Gil Frishman, would be a great guest

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to help our listeners learn more about sprouts, sprouting and microgreens.

655
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So welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Gil Oh, thanks so much for having me and thrilled

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to be here.

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Speaker 2: Now, you guys own sproutpeople dot org, which not only

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00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,559
has one of the best selections of sprouts and sprouting

660
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:30,960
supplies and microgreens, seeds and microgreen supplies, but an incredible

661
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,679
treasure trove of resources and information on sprouting. I was

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00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,400
really impressed. There was nothing that I felt was lacking

663
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,239
when I was sort of educating myself on it. So

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I think a lot of people sort of going to

665
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,840
start with a basic question like what is the difference

666
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,320
between sprouts and microgreens.

667
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:55,199
Speaker 4: That's an excellent question and it's a pretty simple answer.

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00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,320
A sprout is something that is a seed that we

669
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,440
grow solely with water, and really a sprout is nothing

670
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,480
but a germinated seed. It can be grown to different links.

671
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,880
But once the seed has soaked up it's fill of water,

672
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:11,880
it is alive and therefore it goes through its greatest

673
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,960
nutritional gain just by soaking up its fill of water.

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00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,760
And we've finished sprouts in a matter of days solely

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00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,079
with water, rinsing and draining and greening. In the case

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00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,239
of sprouts like alfalfa will expose them to light so

677
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,519
that they can perform the magic of photosynthesis. A microgreen

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00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:36,320
is a seed that you plant on a medium of

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00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,280
some sort, whether it be soil like or soil lists,

680
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,039
and it grows roots into that medium and it is

681
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:52,400
harvested anywhere from several days to a few weeks in

682
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,880
some cases later by cutting above that medium. When you

683
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,320
cut them above that medium, they're no longer alive, they're

684
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,960
still packed with nutrition. So that's the difference with sprouts

685
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,920
or solely water. Microgreens are grown on a medium and

686
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:14,519
harvested by cutting the cutting above the medium.

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00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: So, Gil, I'm interested in growing pea shoots using coconut choir.

688
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,039
If I do that, I'm essentially growing a microgreen. Correct, correct?

689
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,679
Speaker 4: Okay, you are rick and a good choice, very in

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00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,719
a very easy place to start, and I think always

691
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,280
wise to start easy, because I mean, the great the

692
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,199
greatest thing about this is just grow some food for yourself,

693
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,320
grow plants. I mean, if you don't want to grow food,

694
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,559
grow flowers and growing things. It's good for it's good

695
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:46,199
for your soul.

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00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,159
Speaker 1: You're preaching to the choir, Gil, Yuh, really, who's listening

697
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,079
that isn't already there.

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00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,519
Speaker 2: So my question then is that how do they compare

699
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in terms of space, because you know, a lot of

700
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,519
us have smaller kitchens, some of us have huge kitchens.

701
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: But like how much space.

702
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: You need to grow microgreens versus growing sprouts.

703
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: Now the fascinating question, Stacy. You know, in the case

704
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,679
of sprouts, they tend to take up less space. Well,

705
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,519
depending on what you grow them in. They can be

706
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:25,159
stacked or just squeezed together. I mean, we have a

707
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:31,199
preference for certain certain sprouters, but in the case of microgreens,

708
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,360
you always need horizontal space for them to grow. So

709
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,280
however much you want to grow, they just they always

710
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:44,280
That's not to say sprouts can't mimic this. I mean,

711
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,320
if you want to grow a bunch of alfalfa or

712
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,599
a bunch of what we refer to as leafy sprouts,

713
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,199
which are either clover or alfalfa and things mixed into those,

714
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,679
those all require or prefer. Photosynthesis is the last part

715
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,320
of what they do, so they end up spreading out

716
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:03,280
to and all need access to light. There's no stacking

717
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,239
at that point. But I've always felt that sprouts are

718
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,280
much more space efficient myself, it's just in there. They

719
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,679
the crop is done sooner too. So I have a

720
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,800
small kitchen and I have pictures and I've done some

721
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,280
of our videos will show I'll have a dozen or

722
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,039
more sprouts sometimes, and boy, it impacts my cooking. There's

723
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,079
just not enough room in the kitchen to have so

724
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,400
much stuff out. But I find that sprouts take up

725
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,280
less space.

726
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,679
Speaker 3: Now, what about time?

727
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 4: Definitely, I mean if you're growing the high end for

728
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,679
sprouts is like six days. Alfalfa sprouts and clover sprouts,

729
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,360
those are six day crops in my book, and microgreens.

730
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,480
The only seeds that will harvest that soon closer to

731
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:03,159
seven or eight days are some small seeds like arugula, broccoli.

732
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,760
Broccoli as a sprout finishes in five days. As a microgreen,

733
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,119
it takes about seven or eight, possibly ten. Besides the

734
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,719
actual climate we're in, there's also just the time of

735
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,079
the year. I had a friend when we were in

736
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,519
the business of growing sprouts before we just went into

737
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,280
selling seeds. When we were growing sprouts in the Midwest

738
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,239
and distributing around Wisconsin mostly but also up into Minnesota

739
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,800
and down into Illinois and Iowa, it had I had

740
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,679
a friend who grew at a much bigger facility than

741
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,599
us in Chicago, and she always said, I just don't

742
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:42,719
understand why the wheat grass takes a day longer in

743
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,480
the winter. Why everything's the same. I'm inside, it's you know,

744
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,119
how do the seeds know it's winter? And we always

745
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,760
just said they're just smarter than us, you know, something

746
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,840
we don't know. So it's there's there, there are some

747
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,119
so like like they said, the leafy sprouts are a

748
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,079
six day crop in my book, in the summer, you

749
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,639
can end up with them in five days, but you

750
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:13,360
know they they'll seldom go longer, but definitely longer in

751
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:13,760
the winter.

752
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: I actually found something very similar. So I got my

753
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,840
sprouts from you guys, my seeds and Sprouder at the

754
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,000
beginning of January, and last week we had very, very cold,

755
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,400
very cold conditions, and I would say that that batch

756
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,159
of sprouts that I was trying to grow last week

757
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,519
took longer than the ones that I'd had, you know.

758
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:33,719
I mean, of course we had our heat at the

759
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,719
same level, but just you know, the cool coming in

760
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,639
from the windows and everything else just made it slower.

761
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,119
I think one of the best reasons to grow sprouts

762
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:44,079
of course is that again, it's something that you can

763
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,519
successfully grow that I think is delicious and very easy

764
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:51,679
to grow, very low maintenance, works well even if you

765
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,960
have a full time job and a busy life. But

766
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,000
the fact is they are also extremely nutritious. Can you

767
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,480
tell us more about sort of nutritional in health benefits?

768
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: Sprouts are the most nutrient dense food that exists as

769
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,280
far as I know, because they're a living food and

770
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,599
you even if you grow them, so you grow a

771
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,199
crop of sprouts, bean sprouts take just two to three days,

772
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:22,440
the leafy sprouts six days. When you harvest them and

773
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,119
put them in the refrigerator, they don't stop growing. They're growing,

774
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,000
just goes way down and so when you eat them,

775
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,239
they're still alive. And like I mentioned earlier, the soaking

776
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,320
of the seed is the greatest nutritional gain that happens

777
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:45,719
over the course of sprouting. Additional vitamins and nutrients can increase,

778
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,159
but there's no gain like just soaking them. So when

779
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,599
you eat them, you're just you're getting the full potential

780
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:57,519
of a plant. I think that broccoli which it was

781
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:02,360
September of nineteen ninety seven that broccoli sprouts became famous

782
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,960
when the doctors from Johns Hopkins released their study about

783
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:12,280
the antioxidant sulfur fine content in broccoli sprouts being up

784
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:18,119
to fifty times that of mature broccoli. And yeah, and

785
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:24,000
it's in my non educated way because Laurie and I

786
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:27,360
went to art school. We didn't go to We didn't

787
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,519
we've never studied growing. We just loved to grow food.

788
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:35,800
We gardened, and so everything's just just a learning experience

789
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,599
for us, or everything has come through learning. But since

790
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,039
you're eating the seed, the only part of the seed

791
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,360
you're not eating when you have to you've grown a

792
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,039
sprout is the hull. If the holl's gone and the

793
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:53,920
whole has no no great benefit one way or the other.

794
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,000
If you could eat it, you don't have to. We

795
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,840
get rid of them because there they can lessen the

796
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,559
shelf life of the the finished crop. But you've got

797
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:05,639
the full potential of the plant. That's what you're eating.

798
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:10,039
So it's not any surprise to me that they're so

799
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:12,559
much more powerful. I mean, we eat a lot of

800
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:16,239
vegetables too. We don't just eat sprouts. We garden obsessively. So,

801
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,039
but as far as nutrient density, it's just there's nothing

802
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,960
like sprouts because I really, again uneducated, it's just the

803
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,440
full potential of the plant you're consuming, you know. I mean,

804
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,800
if you take any one of those seeds that you've

805
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,800
germinated and you put it in a garden and you

806
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,440
see what it grows into. Just imagine that you're getting

807
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:41,280
all of that just in this tiny little package, because

808
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,800
that's what it is. But I will say I have

809
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:50,679
taken We've been asked about nutrients forever, and I've always

810
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,320
told people, really, I'm just a grower. I just I

811
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,079
have a terrible tendency. I'm much older. So this line

812
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:02,480
actually is kind of out of date now because but

813
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,199
for years I just told people if I had, if

814
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,440
I was not constrained by thinking or anything, I'd probably

815
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,320
just be eating cheeseburgers all the time and ice cream.

816
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,480
And I know sprouts are way better than that because

817
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,400
I can feel it when I eat them.

818
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: If you're keeping score at home, we're chatting with Gil

819
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,840
Frishman and the website if you want to check it out.

820
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,719
As Stacy mentioned at the outset, so much great information there.

821
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,639
Also watch some of the YouTube videos. It's sproutpeople dot org.

822
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:41,559
Sproutpeople dot Org. I had a lot of fun watching

823
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:44,920
YouTube videos also, but the information there on the website

824
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,719
Stacy are great. And as long as we're on the

825
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,159
topic of nutrition, Gil I shared with Adriana and Stacy

826
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,239
my wheat grass and alfalfa grass juice that I make

827
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,039
and I drink tastes terrible, and so I am very

828
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,320
excited about the wheat grass smoothie recipe I saw on

829
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,400
your website. But I wanted to give you a plug

830
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,079
there for folks listening of course on podcasts and radio

831
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,280
as well as YouTube sproutpeople dot org. Gil I would

832
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,159
suspect that sprouts are very, very popular and going to

833
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,719
continue to become more and more popular. I remember HY

834
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,800
two K and the impact and then, of course being

835
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,719
in the garden center industry, the impact of the COVID pandemic.

836
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,320
You've probably seen a lot of interest in seed growing

837
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,480
and growing of sprouts, especially in the last couple of years, right.

838
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:50,559
Speaker 4: Rick, It's true those two things highlight the two biggest

839
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:54,119
points we're actually nineteen ninety seven with the issuance of

840
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,000
the Johns Hopkins Report on broccoli, really was the first

841
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:05,519
thing in our experience that elevated sprouts to the greater

842
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:09,079
consciousness and it's a shame that. I mean, they really

843
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:14,679
they were kind of discovered by n Wigmore in the

844
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,239
sixties seventies, and there was a group of people who

845
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,280
grew sprouts, and of course, you know during the hippie days,

846
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:25,719
people just they appreciated them. It's just the communication was

847
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,360
so different back then that selling anything, you know, is

848
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,280
a completely different experience. But both Y two K and

849
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:39,400
COVID created an incredible demand for sprouting because people wanted

850
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,760
to grow into all different things, right. Y two K

851
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,440
was just good fear of these end of everything. But yeah,

852
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,960
I would say that those things have unfortunately not sustained.

853
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,960
I mean, there are people that got in because of

854
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,320
those things that have stayed long term. We see our

855
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,159
repeat customers that have been around, some of them with

856
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,960
us for over two decades and some that's just started

857
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,599
in twenty twenty and have been avid since.

858
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,039
Speaker 1: The whole point Gil here is that not only easy

859
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:15,159
to grow, but nutritious, nutritious for us as people. But Stacy,

860
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,280
you and Adriana brought to my attention that they're well

861
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,079
pets too that really dig sprouts.

862
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Adriana bought the Four Legs of Love mix

863
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,400
from Sprout people for her dogs, and again we have

864
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,639
photos of that on the YouTube version of them enjoying

865
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,519
it and gil Another thing, so you guys made that

866
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,920
mix especially for dogs because you guys are pet lovers,

867
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,079
you and Laurie. But another thing I noticed when I

868
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,639
was researching is that Sprouting is really big for bird

869
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:49,960
owners as well, very.

870
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,039
Speaker 4: Very We was in the late nineties of one of

871
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:58,199
our customers called I think Maybe, emailed and asked if

872
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,920
we would consider making a mix for birds. In talking

873
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,480
to her, I've never met a seed I don't like,

874
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,360
so I was completely enthralled by the idea, and I

875
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,960
did some research and she sent me some directions as

876
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,639
to companies to direct me to companies who sold similar

877
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,760
products so that I could see what bird owners were

878
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,000
used to. And we talked to our vet and to

879
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,920
a bird specific veat that happened to be across the

880
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,480
street from where our vet was, and just decided on

881
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,000
a mix that worked well. And we sent some samples

882
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:39,159
to this particular customer and she shared them with her friends,

883
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,639
and we just came up with our mixes and we

884
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,599
named them. We had three mixes for different sized birds,

885
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:49,719
but we were told by the vet that it doesn't

886
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,159
make any difference. They could eat them all. They're all

887
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:58,159
incredibly good for them. Every seed, a seed that has

888
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,239
been soaked has gained that amazing nutrition. But it's also

889
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:08,239
no longer has enzyme inhibitors. It releases those so that

890
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,920
your body is not required to spend enzymes to digest it.

891
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,079
And this is true of the animals that consume these two.

892
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:21,119
So that's why it's better to at least soak seeds,

893
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:24,599
if not actually germinate them further for all of us,

894
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:29,280
for all species involved here. So the bird, the bird people,

895
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:34,159
God bless them. They are the sweetest people. I don't

896
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:38,599
think we've had but one ever complain about anything to us,

897
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:44,119
and they've offered advice or asked for things that we've

898
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,119
We dropped peanuts from our mid and big bird mixes

899
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,239
because several people said their allerg and there's there's issues

900
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,079
with them that we'd rather not have. And we said

901
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,239
that's that's fine. I mean, we had enough people that

902
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,119
said so, and we dropped them and nobody ever said

903
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,360
anything but thank you. So they've offered us advice and suggestion. Again,

904
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,760
they somebody asked, can you make one without any grains

905
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,440
again for birds with allergies. So we've made up doctor

906
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,880
Bird and it's like they can. I'm waiting for more

907
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,239
suggestions from the avian community because they're just the dearest people.

908
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,480
And I don't know. We always have critters. I mean

909
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,559
we've we've always I mean I'm sitting here next to Ira,

910
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,679
our current dog. He's an only dog. I'm sorry to say.

911
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,000
We often usually have had multiple dogs, and we do

912
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:45,440
have a couple of cats as well. But the so

913
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:51,280
anybody who's caring for another species, I just I relate

914
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,159
well to that and feel a kinship with those folks,

915
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,239
and I'm really happy to be of assistance to them.

916
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,599
The bird people. We had this customer in Hawaii who

917
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:05,880
told us her her package was coming slower because the

918
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,280
shipping method was the shipping method was slower, and her

919
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:17,119
birds were just given her heck for not having her sprouts.

920
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:19,639
She was like, she tries, she ran out, so she's

921
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,199
giving them vegetables. They're like throwing them at her. Where

922
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:28,360
are my throats? Dogs opening boxes to get its seeds.

923
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,119
You know, It's just great. The birds, they know the

924
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:32,840
good stuff.

925
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: So I want to go back to sort of producing

926
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,280
sprouts or microgreens, So you're right, Like I have found

927
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,239
since I started order my kit from you guys, it

928
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,400
doesn't take me much more than thirty seconds a day,

929
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,719
and every single morning, I can't wait to get up

930
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,679
and look and see what they've done overnight, and I

931
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,400
can't wait to get home and see what they've done

932
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,920
during their day. But I'm curious, so I understand the soaking.

933
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,239
Of course, you need the seed to imbibe, and this

934
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,079
is the same thing that would happen if you're growing

935
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:03,719
seeds outdoors for anything, but the rinsing. So you recommend

936
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,920
rinsing twice a day, which I've been doing, and you know,

937
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,559
maybe in the summer, when it's warmer, I might need

938
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,199
to do that more often. Is the rinsing primarily intended

939
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,039
just to keep the seeds moist and to keep that

940
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:17,320
germination process going, or is there something else happening with

941
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,840
that rinsing process.

942
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 4: That's a great question, Stacey. It is really largely to

943
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,719
keep them moist and to just keep them fresh. I've

944
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,719
read a lot of different people's things over the years,

945
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,079
and there are definitely other ways to sprout than we

946
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:37,400
do it. Putting a lot of water in just seems

947
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:43,239
to freshen them and oxygenate them. By you, I use

948
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,119
I like water pressure, and I will I just go,

949
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,800
I go over everything so that it gets a nice

950
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:56,400
thorough drink. I learned this just by doing it. We

951
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:00,519
read from several books ways to grow sprouts, and we

952
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,760
found that the way we were growing them successfully just

953
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,360
couldn't be done. In some cases, we were like violating

954
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,679
rules that people had and I'm just like, my god,

955
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,800
this is it's nuts. I mean, they're just too much dogma. Yeah,

956
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,360
and that certainly has become even more an issue with

957
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,760
the with the internet. I mean, it was it's harder

958
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,599
to get a book published then to publish a website,

959
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,679
and so people will say you have to do this,

960
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,039
you have to do that. Feel free to experiment here,

961
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,079
you know, there's no rules. I've always felt that the

962
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:37,760
rinsing is just a process of giving the seeds not

963
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,760
only water but more oxygen.

964
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful that you have done such a great

965
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,559
job on your website of documenting the process and showing

966
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:49,679
the seeds, you know, through the process, so people know

967
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,480
because there is a point. Even though I've really only

968
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:55,639
been sprouting again for about a month where I'm like, really,

969
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,679
these are going to be ready in two more days,

970
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,280
three more days, and I'm kind of wondering, and then

971
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,199
you know, the next morning or the next evening, I

972
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,719
come I opened the lid of the sprout and I'm like, yep,

973
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,760
oh yeah, they were right. And so that has been

974
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,840
really a great sort of handholding. But I agree, you know,

975
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,039
it's it is kind of just a common sense. You're

976
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:21,719
just germinating seeds in water instead of, you know, in

977
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,719
the soil. So another thing that makes sprout people so

978
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,119
unique that I have absolutely loved. I got the Leafy

979
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,079
Sprout Kit from you guys to get started, just so

980
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:34,000
I could try a whole bunch of different things is

981
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,960
your mixes. So people, most people they think about sprouts,

982
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,039
they think alfalfa sprouts, maybe they think bean sprouts. But

983
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,280
you and Laurie have obviously put a lot of time

984
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,239
into developing these mixes of all sorts of different types

985
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,199
of seeds together. And we tried the Russian next last

986
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,719
week and absolutely loved it. That was the thing that

987
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,880
made me go I actually might need more than once

988
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:05,079
router yea. So tell us about your mixes and what's your.

989
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 4: Favorite mix that's fantastic. Russian mix was actually our first

990
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,679
leafy sprout mix, and the very the brief story is

991
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,400
that alfalfa sprouts were an enemy of mine early in

992
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,320
my life. I grew up. I grew up in the

993
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,440
Midwest near Chicago. I came to school in San Francisco.

994
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,159
I'd go to the to the cafe cafeteria at the school.

995
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,760
I went and I asked I'd order a bagel and

996
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,440
it came not with just cream cheese, but with sprouts

997
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:41,559
alfalfa sprouts, and I was just pissed off. I'm sorry,

998
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,400
I really was like, what are these doing here? I mean,

999
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,920
I was just they put him on everything. I was like,

1000
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,400
this is just unnecessary, this doesn't belong here. And so

1001
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:54,239
I being nineteen at the time, I just had attitudes

1002
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,239
about all sorts of things. And I mean I was

1003
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,920
at the point where I would have just I would

1004
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,480
have worn that said I hate alfalfa s brods. So

1005
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,960
the day the day Laurie came home with like eight

1006
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,480
different kinds of seed and said, we're going to sprout

1007
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:12,039
these for the farmer's market next week. I was like,

1008
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:18,000
go ahead, you do it. I hate sprouts. So the

1009
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,480
thing with me though, is I love seeds like I'm

1010
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:24,119
weird about seeds. I collect seeds from trees. I mean,

1011
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:28,960
I just any seed anywhere attracts my attention because I'm

1012
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:34,639
fascinated by plants and how they reproduced. So I saw

1013
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,920
the marvel that seeds could be sprouting, and I was like, Okay,

1014
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,400
I can totally embrace this. But I got to do

1015
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,880
something better than alfalfa. So I looked for other seeds

1016
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,280
that I could germinate that would add flavor, and that

1017
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:57,039
really that teamed with our art school education, allowed us

1018
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,880
to come up with mixes that were aesthetically pleasing as

1019
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:06,679
well as taste tasting better than plain alfalfa. I mean,

1020
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,920
I have nothing against I do eat alfalfa sprouts occasionally,

1021
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,440
though I almost always grow mixes or grow a clover

1022
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,840
because they shed their holes easier, so that's largely my preference. Again,

1023
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,079
holes not a problem. We've probably eaten half a ton

1024
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:28,039
of them each in our lifetimes and so not an issue.

1025
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:32,039
But we got into mixing because I hated sprouts and

1026
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,400
I needed to find a way to like them, and

1027
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:38,159
in that process I got to more seeds, which was

1028
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:43,639
just my heart's content. Unfortunately, that then leads to needing

1029
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:47,199
to find sources of more and more and more seeds,

1030
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:51,559
which is a very difficult reality, especially as the years pass,

1031
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:55,800
because seed farming is another thing completely and there are

1032
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,639
not many people who do it, and they have to

1033
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:02,400
be organic or they just don't matter to us organic

1034
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,480
seed farming. Very few people do it, so it's hard

1035
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:10,000
to keep everything in stock at all times. But the

1036
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,440
Russian mix was our first mix, and I called it

1037
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:16,119
Russian mix being of Russian descent. We realized we're never

1038
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:18,199
going to get to go anywhere because this is the

1039
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:20,639
same as being a dairy farmer. You've got a job

1040
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,039
you do twenty four seven, three sixty five. You know

1041
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,159
you've got to be here twice a day to do this,

1042
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,760
and there's there's no day off for Christmas. You know,

1043
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,119
there's no day off period. And so we thought, well,

1044
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,400
I chose Russian mix because of my descent. But then

1045
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,519
we came up with other mixes in short order and

1046
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:44,320
named them geographically purely so we could have the vicarious

1047
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,039
pleasure or hope of travel. So I just have to say, Stacey,

1048
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:53,559
I have been growing. I have literally myself grown over

1049
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,039
one hundred and fifty tons of sprouts by hand because

1050
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,199
we did all that growing for stores for all those years,

1051
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:05,920
and I've supervised another fifty thousand, another half a ton whatever.

1052
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,960
It's an amazing amount of stress. But yet every time

1053
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,119
I grow, I too go at the spreader and I

1054
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,960
think I got the are you going to be ready? Really? Still?

1055
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:21,079
I mean I'm growing. I'm growing broccoli and some crimson

1056
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:24,159
clover currently, and I was looking at the broccoli this morning.

1057
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,320
Shouldn't you be further by now? So don't feel bad

1058
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:28,920
about that.

1059
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: That's good.

1060
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 4: That will never go away.

1061
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:32,159
Speaker 3: But you know, I think.

1062
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: That's what it's about, is it really is just such

1063
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,679
an incredible process to watch. And as gardener's, you know,

1064
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,360
it's a process that we participate in, but we don't

1065
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,480
usually get to witness it all firsthand. And at the

1066
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,239
end of it, we're not always eating that product. So

1067
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,760
it's just been I think, you know, so much fun

1068
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,239
for me, especially in winter here in Michigan, gloomy cold,

1069
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,239
super snowy winter. I have just really loved it, and

1070
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,480
I really encourage anyone who wants to grow some of

1071
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:02,280
their own food, you know, to try and as Adriana said,

1072
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:04,559
if you happen to not like it, and you have

1073
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:08,480
a dog or maybe a bird, you're you know, your

1074
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:11,320
dogg or bird will be happy to to take any

1075
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,440
sprouts that you aren't find.

1076
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:16,119
Speaker 1: After listening to Gil talk about alfalfa sprouts, I need

1077
01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:19,320
to either get a pet or give up on my

1078
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,199
alfelfa grass juice. Yeah, but that's why I'm going to

1079
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,599
try your smoothie. I'm going to give the smoothie a

1080
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:30,519
try it and try and make things a little more appetiting.

1081
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1082
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we found mixing it with apple juice and carrot juice.

1083
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,760
We got a rather high end juicer at some point

1084
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:41,119
and we would just juice a bunch of carrots and

1085
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:43,400
apples and mix wheat grass in it. And it was

1086
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,119
it's on our site as drink Me. That's the name

1087
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:50,039
of that particular recipe. So that that was just it's

1088
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,760
not a smoothie, but that was our way to get

1089
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,360
wheat grass into our kids and it was easier for

1090
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,599
us too, Plus we were getting the benefit of apple.

1091
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,679
Speaker 2: So one last question Gil before there we go. Yeah,

1092
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:02,800
Ezrik was saying, you guys also have a bunch of recipes.

1093
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,039
I think for the most people, most people who have

1094
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:07,880
not really sprouted. They're just like, yeah, sprouts, you put

1095
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,639
them on a salad, you put them on a sandwich.

1096
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:13,400
So what is you guys have tons of recipes ways

1097
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,119
I've never thought of using them, But what is your

1098
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,920
favorite way to enjoy sprouts?

1099
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:24,159
Speaker 4: You know, it's pretty seasonal, Stacey, And when we have

1100
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:30,760
tomatoes in the garden, it's leafy sprouts constantly. We do

1101
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,360
broccoli sprouts fairly regularly. On and off. We'll go through

1102
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,280
periods where we really just want a whole broccoli because

1103
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,480
I love we all love broccoli the vegetable too, and

1104
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,440
I do have to say our broccoli sprouts are the

1105
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:49,159
seeds we get are are the best I've found anywhere.

1106
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,360
I've tested my competition stuff, and they tend to be

1107
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,960
a little spicier than I prefer. But because most brassicas

1108
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,840
are spicy, radishes are also in the same family. So

1109
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:07,039
I but broccoli, we love grown broccoli. It's just there's

1110
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,239
nothing like a crown of broccoli more the stems. I'm

1111
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,559
actually particularly fond the stems. But so we grow broccoli

1112
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:21,679
as a regular thing, and we generally just make we

1113
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,119
make the same recipes over and over. We focus a

1114
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:29,400
lot we like our curried lental sprout salad. That's a

1115
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,880
that's a major Yeah, it's just it's lentils, which is

1116
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:37,119
we just love lentils. We've been bringing that to our

1117
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,880
block party for fifteen years or more and people are

1118
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,719
angry if we don't. We did bring a San Francisco

1119
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,239
Spicy sprout mix I believe is the name of that recipe,

1120
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:52,679
which is just San Francisco mix sprouted with some spices

1121
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:56,000
on it. But we also in this time of year,

1122
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:00,159
we eat We eat them a lot as soup, which

1123
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,039
is not the height of nutrition because you're cooking them,

1124
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:06,679
so you're killing off a fair amount of the nutrients

1125
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:10,320
in them. But it's great food. So we have a

1126
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,239
recipe called perfect Soup that we use a lot, but truly,

1127
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,840
for the most part, it's just adding to salads on sandwiches.

1128
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:22,000
It really is the most common thing. So our website

1129
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:24,599
is largely big because I wanted to make sure people

1130
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:28,239
didn't fail, because the first time you grow, the first

1131
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,559
time you try something, success is such a much better

1132
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:35,599
result than failure, you know. I mean I failed a

1133
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:38,960
lot when we started as sprout people, because, like I said,

1134
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,599
I didn't read books. I just used what I knew

1135
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,840
from gardening and came up with my own methods and

1136
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:49,360
they worked. I found what worked. But draining is the

1137
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:56,480
main thing, the soaking necessary. It's done only once we

1138
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,719
actually altered our restructions, our brief instructions we added to

1139
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,880
our website a few years ago for the people who

1140
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,679
could not stand my long winded instructions, and anybody who's

1141
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,119
now listening to me, I'm sure would be terrified to

1142
01:05:09,199 --> 01:05:15,679
read my but the brief instructions say, soak for this

1143
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,559
much time, never soak again. Because we had We've had

1144
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:22,280
too many customers over the years who they're like, they're

1145
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,679
not growing, they're not growing, they're not growing. And it

1146
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,199
turned out they were soaking them, not rinsing them. They

1147
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,760
just kept soaking them, draining the water, soaking them. So

1148
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,320
you soak them, you rinse them well, but every time

1149
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,000
you're done rinsing, draining is the key.

1150
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: You know. As you said, I think sprouts are such

1151
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,880
a great way to get through winter and beyond. If

1152
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,119
you have small space, you can't grow your own vegetables.

1153
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,519
You just want to have them, You just love them.

1154
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,639
I have to say, I have truly, truly been enjoying it.

1155
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,000
I think I know Adriana has two. She's over there nodding,

1156
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:56,719
and I would encourage all of our listeners to give

1157
01:05:56,719 --> 01:05:59,760
it a try. And I think sproutepeople dot org is

1158
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,039
a great place to start because you guys definitely answered

1159
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:06,039
all my questions without me ever having to reach out.

1160
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:09,679
And I've been so so happy and just loved your mixes.

1161
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:11,280
And yeah, like I said, I've been doing it for

1162
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,480
maybe a month and I'm already thinking about.

1163
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:14,079
Speaker 3: A second sprouterer.

1164
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,119
Speaker 2: So that's great, a great place to start for anyone

1165
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:22,440
interested in sprouts or microgreens. Sproutpeople dot org. Thank you

1166
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,800
so so much, Gil for being on the show and

1167
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,320
for sharing all of your experience and knowledge and thoughts.

1168
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,519
Speaker 4: Thank you, it was a great pleasure with Anne, Stacy

1169
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:35,320
and Abrianna. I'm so glad that you found us and

1170
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,840
we're flattered that you that you wanted us on your show,

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and thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, happy sprouting, Gil.

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Speaker 2: I am already a fan of sprouting, as you have heard,

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so I hope that makes you start thinking about getting

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sprouts into your life as well.

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Speaker 1: Sprout it from the rooftop.

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Speaker 2: I think we are so thank you so much. To

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Gil and Laurie from sproutpeople dot org for their time

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and all of that information. Thank you you, Rick, thank you,

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thank you Adriana, and thanks to all of you for listening.

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We hope you have a wonderful week ahead.

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