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Learn more at 72 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:19.199 talis dot com Slash online security conditions apply Radio. 73 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.800 You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking 74 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.919 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 75 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:42.560 written about them. Gacy Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK every week, 76 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.560 another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous 77 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.560 killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host 78 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.479 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 79 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:08.840 Good Evening. Through two trials, America watched as Juan Martinez 80 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.520 fought relentlessly to convict Jody Arius a murder one, perviciously 81 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:19.199 stabbing her ex boyfriend Travis Alexander to death. What emerged 82 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:23.079 was a story wrought with sex, manipulation, and deceit that 83 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.680 stunned the public at every turn. Arius, always playing the 84 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.560 wronged and innocent woman, changed her story continually as her 85 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:36.079 bizarre behavior surrounding the crime and its aftermath came to light. Unwavering, 86 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.759 Arius and her defense team continued to play off the 87 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.120 salacious details of the case until she was finally found 88 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:48.399 guilty and controversially sentenced to life behind bars. Now speaking 89 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:52.120 openly for the first time, Prosecutor Martinez will unearth new 90 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.879 details from the investigation that were never revealed at trial, 91 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.920 exploring key facts from the case and the pieces of Evan. 92 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.199 Then he chose to keep close to the vest throughout 93 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:07.519 the trials. His bullish and unfaltering prosecution strategy was both 94 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:11.920 commended and criticized, and in his book, Martinez will illuminate 95 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:15.040 the unique tactics he utilized in this case and how 96 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.879 they led to a successful conviction, and for the first time, 97 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:23.439 discuss how he felt about losing the death penalty sentence 98 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:37.279 he'd pursued for years. Pardon Me Now. Speaking of Pardon Me, 99 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:45.800 going beyond the news reports, Martinez will explore the truth 100 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.480 behind the multiple facades of Jody Arius. Sparring with her 101 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:52.720 from across the stand, Martinez came to know Arias like 102 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.680 no one else could, dissecting what it took for a 103 00:05:55.720 --> 00:06:00.000 seemingly normal girl to become a deluded, cunning, and unrepentant murder. 104 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:02.839 This book is the definitive account of the case that 105 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:06.360 shocked America. The book that we're featuring this evening is Conviction, 106 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:10.800 the untold story of putting Jody Arius behind bars With 107 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:15.399 my special guest prosecutor and author One Martinez. Welcome to 108 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.759 the program. And thank you for agreeing this interview. One Martinez. 109 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:21.720 Well, it's good to be here. Thank you for having 110 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:23.560 me here so that we could talk about the book. 111 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.439 Thank you very much, and I apologize for stumbling through 112 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:33.519 that intro. Before we start. Let's have a little bit 113 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:38.319 of a background on your career as a prosecutor in Arizona, 114 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.519 and just in that brief introduction, you can tell us 115 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:43.800 a little bit about the office that you do work 116 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:47.480 in and the a community that you do serve. So 117 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.319 if you could tell us a little bit about your background. 118 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.240 Please sure. I work for the America BA County Attorney's Office, 119 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.480 and I started with the America BA County Attorney's Office 120 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:02.079 back in October of nineteen eighty eight. This is the 121 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:06.079 agency in America the county that has charged there's other agencies, 122 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:12.079 but primarily charged with dealing with the felonies and felonious 123 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:16.079 sort of actions that take place in Americopa County. I 124 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.399 started there, as I said, in nineteen eighty eight, and 125 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.079 for the first eight years, I did not so much 126 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.759 lower grade felonies, but not murder. I would say that 127 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.600 I did kidnappings, armed robberies, that sort of thing, and 128 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:35.800 I continued on in nineteen ninety six when I was 129 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:40.800 moved or to what we called back then what is 130 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.279 now known as the Litigation Capital Litigation Bureau with the 131 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.959 Homicide Bureau, and since October of nineteen ninety six, that 132 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.759 is the place that I have called home. So since 133 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.680 then I've been doing the sort of the high profile 134 00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:00.240 kind of case, well, murder cases, and now specifically I 135 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:05.079 do only or i'll do mostly but only really restricted 136 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:10.199 to the capital prosecutions where the state is seeking the 137 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:11.639 imposition of the death penalty. 138 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:17.519 Right now, how it please tell us the sort of, 139 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.519 I guess, quite ordinary way that you were assigned to 140 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.399 this case. Tell us that procedure, how you came to 141 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.480 take or be assigned to this case the Jodiarius murder trial. 142 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:39.559 Back then, the group had every attorney was assigned to 143 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:44.120 an on call day or maybe a weekend. And on 144 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.759 that particular day, I was assigned on call from June 145 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.679 ninth at eight o'clock in the morning to June tenth 146 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.279 at I'm sorry, eight o'clock in the morning to eight 147 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.360 o'clock the next morning. And what happened in this case 148 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:02.919 is the police called on June tenth at a thirty 149 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.600 in the morning, and by that time my shift was over. 150 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:10.159 Actually was at the office getting ready to do other 151 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.879 things because it was past eight o'clock. And when I 152 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:16.279 received the call from the sergeant at the Mason Police Department. 153 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.679 And when he called, he said, well, we have this 154 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:21.600 thing out here in East Mesa, and he kind of 155 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:27.519 realized that my on called duties were over, and he 156 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:29.960 was sort of apologetic and said, well, you know, if 157 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.519 you want, I will go ahead and call the next 158 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.600 person on the list. And I thought, well, no, I mean, 159 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.120 he had told me that the police had been there 160 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.240 the night before and that's when they discovered the body, 161 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.279 and it was really just thirty minutes past the time 162 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.879 that my duties were over. So I just thought, well, 163 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:49.120 in fairness, I should get out there and take a 164 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.159 look at what's there, rather than turning to the next 165 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.559 person that was on the list. So I guess it 166 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.720 was just a situation where I didn't want to slough 167 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:01.080 off the work to somebody else. 168 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.519 Now, as you point out in the book, I and 169 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.960 it's fascinating the information that you get because of your 170 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.360 unique perspective as a prosecutor. And like I'll say to 171 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.840 the audience, and probably everybody that's a real true crime 172 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.759 fan knows that this does not happen very often. I 173 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:24.360 mean there has been obviously there's Marsha Clark and Helter Skelter, 174 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.120 and there's a few books. But so with that, not 175 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:34.360 everybody knows that the involvement that the prosecution, you as 176 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.960 a prosecutor, is involved with the crime initially, so that's 177 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.159 why you're there, involved in going to the crime scene. 178 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.360 But tell us the relationship and how it is separate. 179 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:49.759 Obviously you're there at that time at the crime scene, 180 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:53.120 but you're not per se involved with the investigation. So 181 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.320 tell us how that actually works. 182 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.399 The police department called me and as they were with 183 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.840 any other killing, and I remember when I got there 184 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.440 that it was already getting hot, and so I remember 185 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:12.759 standing outside because as a person who is not a 186 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.320 member of the Mesa police department, I'm not allowed to 187 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:18.120 go in until they've secured the scene, they've taken a 188 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.799 look at things and done whatever it is they need 189 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.480 to do, and so I waited approximately thirty minutes to 190 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:27.080 go inside. As you pointed out, my role in going 191 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:33.799 inside is just to observe so that whatever the person 192 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.240 who committed the killing is apprehended, I will have a 193 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.600 better understanding of the facts involved in this case and 194 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:44.840 specifically the crime scene. So when I'm there, my role 195 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:48.360 is just to look around, take a look at what's there. 196 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:51.039 For example, in this case, it was this two story house, 197 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.080 whether or not it had an east west it faced 198 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.120 the east west, things like that, or where the body 199 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.559 was found. In this case, it was the shower, and 200 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.720 just generally look at the layout. And I remember specifically 201 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:10.240 in this case that I was struck by the cleanliness 202 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.679 of the home. Usually when there has been a murder, 203 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:18.879 there's there's there's furniture that's in disarray, knocked over, pushed about. 204 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.759 Not in this case, and the bottom there was it 205 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.679 was very clean. The only thing that I remember being 206 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:27.240 out of place was a dry vacuum cleaner, a wet 207 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:31.720 vacuum cleaner. Somebody I had obviously been cleaning the tile downstairs, 208 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.120 and and the downstairs actually belied what was upstairs, And 209 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.960 so walked through the bottom, then went upstairs. And when 210 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.000 I went upstairs, that's when I walked through the walked 211 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:46.000 through closet from the master bedroom into the into the bathroom, 212 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.480 where really you could see everything that had happened. But 213 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.039 my role there was not to advise the police and 214 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.080 tell them do this or do that. It was just 215 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.480 to take a look it's and see what was there, 216 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.120 so that I wouldn't just have to rely on pictures 217 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.360 and it would make my presentation that much more effective 218 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:04.960 at trial. 219 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.919 Now, tell us you talk about a detective Flores, and 220 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.000 of course he is very important figure in this so 221 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:17.919 as you explain that your job is just to sort 222 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:19.840 of get a feel for the place, but also tell 223 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:24.159 us it was very interesting to me to learn again 224 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.720 how does the relationship progress. The police do the investigation, 225 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:31.440 but it's not like you are not in contact with 226 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.759 the police. So tell us, please explain that relationship of 227 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.840 what you do with the information that the investigators gather, 228 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:40.639 what do you do with that information? 229 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:47.679 The mesa police department in this case, assigned Detective Estevan 230 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.039 flodis to be be what is called the case agent. 231 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.600 And as a case agent, he is in charge of 232 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:58.159 sort of being the person that's the individual that if 233 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.639 there are any questions that need to be directed, assignments 234 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.120 that need to be taking care of, he's the person 235 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.679 that does that. And part of his duties include keeping 236 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:12.200 me in the loop or informing me of any new 237 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:14.879 developments that they made me have in the case. And so, 238 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.320 even though, as I said before, I don't direct investigation, 239 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:24.120 he would call me with updates and he would let 240 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.840 me know how far the investigation had progressed, what was 241 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.960 going on, so that when there came a time when 242 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.600 I believed and at that point it would be my judgment, 243 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.279 when I believed that a charge was appropriate, I would 244 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.960 already have, if you will, all of this background to it, 245 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:42.840 because he'd been filling me in as he went along, 246 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.919 and he would submit the case, and at that point 247 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:51.120 I would decide what charge to bring forth in this case. 248 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:53.879 Based on everything that I saw and everything that was presented, 249 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:56.840 I decided to file the charge of first degree murder. 250 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.120 One another thing that I thought was interesting is that 251 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:07.720 you stress that you alone prosecute these cases, unlike other 252 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:09.960 people that would have an assistant, and it is a 253 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:13.919 big workload that you embark upon as well. So tell 254 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:18.759 us why this is important to you that you prosecute alone. 255 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:22.080 Well, I would say, probably because I'm not easy to 256 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.279 get along with it. It probably would be the first 257 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.480 things I would say. But no, the reason that I 258 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:30.519 do it is that it just makes me feel more 259 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.919 comfortable because if I'm the only one that's prosecuting this, 260 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:36.639 if I'm the only one with the case, then I 261 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.639 am entrusted or have the duty to make sure that 262 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:42.840 I review every bit of evidence that comes in. And 263 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:45.360 the benefit to me of that is that I can 264 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:50.240 take something that perhaps is designated or applies to something 265 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.440 else and take a look at it and then pull 266 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.919 it in and say, well, wait a minute, it actually 267 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.559 applies to this other thing. So it makes me I 268 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:00.120 think a bit more prepared, although I will say that 269 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.440 that requires a lot of work. I mean, I know 270 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.799 that there were many many weekends that I missed and 271 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.960 that I'm not sure where I'm going to get those back, 272 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.200 But there were many many weekends that I missed because 273 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.360 I was reading the documents in this case. This was 274 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.799 this was the most document intensive case that I've ever 275 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:24.159 dealt with, And so that way when I go in, 276 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:28.480 I would I know everything that's that's been presented to me. 277 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.000 I know everything that's gone on to the defense. So 278 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.159 for example, when it comes down to making either an 279 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.960 argument to the court or or cross examining somebody, I 280 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.200 will know what's in the file. I mean, that's not 281 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.279 to say that for other people that the other approach 282 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.240 doesn't work, But for me, maybe perhaps I'm a bit 283 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.519 of a I don't know, a person who wants to 284 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:54.200 be in control of the case. And and I guess 285 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.440 you know that there has to be one one general 286 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.279 and I guess that would be me or one chief. 287 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:01.559 I guess that would be sure. 288 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.440 Now you talked about that you went to Mace, Arizona 289 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:10.000 and to Travis Alexander's home. He had a nice home 290 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.440 and he rented it out to a couple other people. 291 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:16.119 But when you were in there, you spoke with Detective Flores, 292 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.200 and one of the things that he had is that 293 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:24.799 they discovered what everyone that's followed this case nose. They 294 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:26.880 found a camera in the washing machine. Can you tell 295 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.960 us about that conversation and how important? 296 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:35.519 Yeah? And initially when Yeah, initially, when we did the 297 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:39.440 walk through, the main focus of the walkthrough was actually 298 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:41.880 upstairs where we saw the body. And as you went in, 299 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.920 you saw the blood on the tile and the sink, 300 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.279 and then you saw the big ovoid sort of pattern 301 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.559 there between the breach between the holloway and the master bedroom. 302 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.920 So that's sort of what called. That's where we spent 303 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.079 the majority of the time. And as we walked downstairs, 304 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:03.720 he said, but you know, there's this camera that's in 305 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:05.680 the washing machine. It's been run through the cycle, so 306 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.240 you know, I'm not really hopeful that anything won't come 307 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.400 from it, but I wanted to just take a look 308 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.319 at it, see where it is and how it sits. 309 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.000 And he opened the lid and we looked inside and 310 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.880 and there was this camera and it was sort of 311 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.240 nustled among a towel and I think another article of clothing. 312 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:28.839 At that point, I to give them what I know. 313 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:30.920 It didn't seem to me that they were going to 314 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.200 be able to extract anything from from that camera, or 315 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.480 any photographs or anything that was a noteworthy. But I 316 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:42.160 remember thinking, well, why would somebody put a camera in 317 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:44.640 the washing machine? It just didn't see It just seemed 318 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:46.680 out of place. And I could I could, I could 319 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:48.799 understand why he wanted me to see what was there, 320 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.359 but at that point I can't speak for him, but 321 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.799 I thought to myself, well, I'm not sure that we're 322 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:55.960 going to be able to get anything from this. Probably not, 323 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.839 but it just sure does raise a red flag. 324 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:06.039 Sure, no Detective Flora is as well, we've cut to 325 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.920 the chase. I mean, obviously Jody Eiras's name comes up 326 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:14.000 almost immediately, is in terms of a person of interest 327 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:19.000 on her behalf. What does she do with her interaction 328 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.559 with Detective Flores? Who contacts who? 329 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:28.839 That's another aspect of the case, just like the washing machine, 330 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:32.400 just like the camera in the washing machine, washing machine. 331 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.039 That's another thing that just didn't seem to make sense. 332 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:39.400 But what happened was that that same day, while the 333 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:42.640 detective was at the crime scene, Jody area Is called twice, 334 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.720 not once, but twice, asking to speak to somebody about 335 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.480 the case. And a lot of the times you get 336 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.960 ex girlfriends and people that are feel close to the 337 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.759 victim they call in. So when he told me about it, 338 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:56.480 I was at the crime scene and her name up 339 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:58.720 came up as someone who was somewhat of a stalker, 340 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.240 kind of claim kind of girlfriend. When her name came up, 341 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:05.279 we just kind of looked at each other and he said, well, 342 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:06.960 I'm gonna call her back. I'm going to record it, 343 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.759 but I'm not sure that anything's gonna come from it, 344 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:12.480 but you know, I'll just call her. Maybe she knows something. 345 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:15.519 But at that point, we really didn't think. I didn't 346 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.359 think that it was going to lead to anything for 347 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.400 a number of reasons. Number one, mister Alexander was a 348 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.400 pretty big guy, and it seemed that a woman would 349 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.440 have a difficult time overpowering him. And if someone had 350 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.799 done this, you wouldn't expect them to be calling the police. 351 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:33.319 So we kind of agreed that that was a falloup 352 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.599 that we had to make sure was completed. And but 353 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:38.880 again she made the call, and in fact, on June 354 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.839 tenth of two thousand and eight, he actually got her 355 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.599 on the phone and they discussed a number of things 356 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:46.839 and he recorded it, and that actually turned out something 357 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.640 to be very important because that was something I was 358 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.240 able to use later where she indicated that during that 359 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.240 conversation that mister Alexander did not have a gun in 360 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.400 his house and if he was going to defend himself, 361 00:20:58.599 --> 00:20:59.960 he would only use his fist. 362 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.240 Well to let the audience know that. And again, there's 363 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:09.599 so many people that followed this to the letter. 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