Speaker 1: Get ready.
Speaker 2: May one, twenty twenty six, allegedly according to that thing
Speaker 2: we call a calendar. Does that mean it's May day? Hell,
Speaker 2: I don't remember anyway. It is what it is, It
Speaker 2: was what it was, and it going to be what
Speaker 2: it going to be. It is Friday, and therefore the
Speaker 2: open mic, and that means you can call in and
Speaker 2: join us. Now. I thought about doing a news show
Speaker 2: this week, but as soon as I started digging into
Speaker 2: the news and realized that the guy who shot at
Speaker 2: Trump or tried to shoot at Trump or whatever it
Speaker 2: was he was doing with his manifesto and telling people
Speaker 2: his truly left wing, disjointed insanity that makes no sense
Speaker 2: to anybody, but I guess him, and why he had
Speaker 2: to go after Trump and the weird reaction and Trump
Speaker 2: continuing to eat his salad, and of course the conspiration
Speaker 2: theories began. But the fact that some reports say this
Speaker 2: guy also was like one of the people that drove
Speaker 2: I don't know, the missing lady. Remember that news story
Speaker 2: that sort of disappeared from the news cycle. Somebody's mom
Speaker 2: went up and disappeared, And this guy allegedly drove somebody
Speaker 2: involved in that situation somewhere at some time and you
Speaker 2: start saying to yourself, no wonder everybody's a conspiracy theorist anymore. Anyways,
Speaker 2: that's weird enough on top of every other piece of
Speaker 2: weirdness this week, and hey, here we are still trying
Speaker 2: to breathe. So I've continued on with the interesting program
Speaker 2: a couple of quick announcements at the top of the
Speaker 2: show before I turned it over to my cost to
Speaker 2: see how he's doing.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 2: Maria Heller, who had the longest running you know, talk
Speaker 2: show podcast I do believe in internet history if somebody
Speaker 2: really wants to keep the history of this thing, because
Speaker 2: she started twenty six years ago in the year two thousand,
Speaker 2: which I think Lenosanak claims to have begun in two
Speaker 2: thousand and two thousand and one as well. But anyway,
Speaker 2: one of the longest running podcasts in podcast reality is
Speaker 2: no more because Maria has decided to say enough is
Speaker 2: enough after twenty six years. So no more hell and
Speaker 2: high water from me and her, although I may bring
Speaker 2: around the show at some point in a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks just to explain, well, you know, why she stopped
Speaker 2: and what the reason is and all that good stuff,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Et cetera. But for those of you that
Speaker 2: think I'm two left wing influence, you're gonna be happy
Speaker 2: because now I no longer have that influence as a constant.
Speaker 2: But anyway, no more hell and high Water, no more
Speaker 2: Maria Heller and Maria dot Net will probably turn itself
Speaker 2: over into her counseling business, and that'll be that. Anyway.
Speaker 2: On top of that, what else do I have? Well,
Speaker 2: I did open up the fan supporter part of the
Speaker 2: Speaker program, and I haven't put anything there yet. I
Speaker 2: haven't asked anybody to join or anything like that. I
Speaker 2: set up just a preliminary price of nine to ninety
Speaker 2: nine because I no longer collect memberships on the site,
Speaker 2: so this would allow me to sort of do that
Speaker 2: where I provide direct content on Speaker and you want
Speaker 2: to support, you go there to support, you get a
Speaker 2: little bonus material, and guess what, you support the show.
Speaker 2: So that's what's going to go on moving forward, because
Speaker 2: you know, begging begathons for donations are not exactly successful
Speaker 2: except among my usual friends, and frankly, we got like
Speaker 2: zero interest from the outside this time. And I'm not
Speaker 2: complaining because we were able to pay the bills, you know,
Speaker 2: for the year. Uh, and I almost didn't think we
Speaker 2: were gonna make that, but honestly, uh, look, there there's
Speaker 2: revenue that was lost. I need to regain it. So
Speaker 2: it's going to be there. And yeah, for ten bucks
Speaker 2: a month, you can support the show, make requests. I
Speaker 2: will put archived stuff in there if you like, because
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff is no longer available online anywhere.
Speaker 2: I still haven't determined what to do with the members
Speaker 2: section that now has nobody paying a membership, but they
Speaker 2: can still use it. I may just start to transfer
Speaker 2: everything over there, or we might just start with fresh content,
Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe just do a little rigged up
Speaker 2: sign ups so you can have a sign up on
Speaker 2: the website as well, along with the fans supporter section
Speaker 2: on Speaker. I think that might be the wise thing
Speaker 2: to do, since I don't have an accessible YouTube channel
Speaker 2: officially or anything like that, so that might be the
Speaker 2: way we go here. But anyway, Yeah, so from now
Speaker 2: on on Speaker there will be a fans supported section,
Speaker 2: but not until I really start to figure out what
Speaker 2: it is you guys want there. You'll actually be able
Speaker 2: to call the shots enough to tell me what it
Speaker 2: is you want me to cover suggest guests. If I
Speaker 2: can get them, I'll get them, you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and it'll be just for those that really support the show.
Speaker 2: And who knows, maybe that's the format I need to
Speaker 2: go to, where you know, you get the live stream
Speaker 2: or if you want the podcast, you actually have to
Speaker 2: be a supporter or the show. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: haven't determined that yet, and I'm hoping you guys will
Speaker 2: give me some feedback. So write to me either Chuck
Speaker 2: at o'helly dot com or you can write to Blind
Speaker 2: JFK researcher at gmail dot com. One way or the other,
Speaker 2: I will get the messages. You can contact me on
Speaker 2: X and all that good stuff. That's the best ways
Speaker 2: to get a hold of me. I do look at
Speaker 2: Facebook messages, but apparently I don't answer them on time.
Speaker 2: Team sucks for delivering my messages. So I'll tell you, yeah,
Speaker 2: X and the emails are the best ways to get
Speaker 2: a hold of me. And that'll be that. I may
Speaker 2: actually come up with a text only phone number soon
Speaker 2: and I'll just give that out to you guys when
Speaker 2: I decide if that's going to be the way to go.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to make minimal investments because I want
Speaker 2: to kickstart and animate the Rumble Channel as our primary
Speaker 2: video platform in the near future, and we have the
Speaker 2: program to do it, I just don't have the computer
Speaker 2: that can properly handle it. And so I got to
Speaker 2: get a refurbished computer and a few other little tidbits,
Speaker 2: and then we will have the Rumble Channel as well
Speaker 2: as the fan support section on speaker only for people
Speaker 2: who decide to support the show, and ten bucks a
Speaker 2: month I think is not unreasonable, And yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: way that's going to work going forward. The website will
Speaker 2: continue as for another year at least, and we'll see
Speaker 2: where we go if I can continue doing this or not.
Speaker 2: Still trying to recover from my injuries, etc. So those
Speaker 2: are the two things going on, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: let you know about them, and hopefully you guys will
Speaker 2: give me some feedback and let me know what it
Speaker 2: is we should be serving you with. You know, I
Speaker 2: want to serve the people that really support the show.
Speaker 2: Everybody else can listen along or whatever, follow along, but
Speaker 2: you know, I want like the Special Supporters Club to
Speaker 2: be happening, Like maybe we'll even create digital membership cards
Speaker 2: or something and create a use for them, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I have ideas about events and things
Speaker 2: like that that we can do online and in person.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily too many in person events, because hardly anybody
Speaker 2: likes to leave their house anymore, but what the hell.
Speaker 2: We can create stuff as we go, and I am
Speaker 2: willing to listen to ideas and suggestions about what to
Speaker 2: do going forward. Also, I'm going to do some more
Speaker 2: short attention span DJ theaters on a regular basis, because
Speaker 2: apparently people liked them in the replay form. They didn't
Speaker 2: listen live, but they liked catching them on the station
Speaker 2: accidentally when they just tuned in to the stream, which
Speaker 2: runs twenty four to seven. I also have that online
Speaker 2: radio station that's continuous for Apple and PC as well
Speaker 2: as Android users. Anyway, all of that is brought to
Speaker 2: you by guess what you, Mainly you who support the show.
Speaker 2: Mike Swanson is one of those people. Me, Pete is
Speaker 2: one of those people. Danny and Kelly one of those people.
Speaker 2: You know our friend ed out West one of those people,
Speaker 2: regular Joe. I don't know what happened, but sort of
Speaker 2: he hasn't been in contact with me for a little bit,
Speaker 2: but he's a supporter of the show. Jimmy James is
Speaker 2: a supporter of the show. Okay, these are the people
Speaker 2: that made things possible, but they could use a little
Speaker 2: support from the rest of you who are listening. And
Speaker 2: I know there are some left, so you know, just
Speaker 2: saying you could chip in once so you can become
Speaker 2: a supporter directly over at Speaker. I'm not even sure
Speaker 2: how the sign up works honestly, just yet, but don't worry.
Speaker 2: It's there, and there's always my cash app and missus
Speaker 2: Oh's PayPal if you want to contribute to the well
Speaker 2: being of the Performing Monkey you're listening to right now,
Speaker 2: or you know, help us expand and maintain the network,
Speaker 2: because there's still monthly bills and I try to be
Speaker 2: as efficient with them as possible, but they're still there.
Speaker 2: They're costs involved, and I'd like to be able to
Speaker 2: do things even better on a higher level, more expansive,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to do that without the budget
Speaker 2: to work with, and you guys are the ones who
Speaker 2: will provide that or not. So there you have it. Plus,
Speaker 2: I'm still doing the three hours every Monday when I
Speaker 2: can show up on Mondays on AM Wake Up, and
Speaker 2: they're calling that chuck Wagon Monday. Now. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I guess it's to separate me from the other guys
Speaker 2: named Charles that are on the rest of the week.
Speaker 2: That's okay, and I don't mind. And I go over
Speaker 2: there to have fun and read through the news and
Speaker 2: so pick up on crazy stuff happening on the internet
Speaker 2: in general. And there is never a shortage. So anyway,
Speaker 2: all of that now put out of the way. Be
Speaker 2: pete if you will. I need a drink. By the way,
Speaker 2: I'm trying not to dry up my mouth on Mike
Speaker 2: and I'm doing a bad job. Anyways, How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 2: How was your week? And maybe I'll explain mine after
Speaker 2: you explain yours.
Speaker 3: We was, I don't know, pretty good.
Speaker 4: We finally started getting some rain, which we've needed. We're about,
Speaker 4: believe it or not, ten inches down for the year.
Speaker 4: That's just what started of the fifth month. So well,
Speaker 4: I was supposed to have all day rain tomorrow, looking
Speaker 4: forward to it.
Speaker 3: We needed.
Speaker 4: It was so bad you'd walked through the grass in
Speaker 4: the yard and it would crunch. I mean, it's really
Speaker 4: been dry, so dry that snakes are wearing fleet collars.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just a usual hectic busy helping a friend out
Speaker 4: that had some health issues and trying to get stuff done.
Speaker 4: But we finally got lights in the garage so I
Speaker 4: can work at night on my work bench. They got
Speaker 4: a few more things to do to get some outside
Speaker 4: lights running.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I got two questions.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, one was Maria Heller always so grumpy for
Speaker 4: twenty six years?
Speaker 3: Two?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think someone number one? But what's two?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find here.
Speaker 4: Oh, we had mentioned this on another show, and it
Speaker 4: came up while you were talking. I was looking through
Speaker 4: my list of stuff that we had started to talk
Speaker 4: about but we never finished. And that is they figured
Speaker 4: out the lost colony and exactly.
Speaker 3: What happened to them. Oh right, yeah, yeah, kind of amazing.
Speaker 4: We didn't get We didn't cover it last week. I
Speaker 4: think it was the week before when I had mentioned
Speaker 4: it and you said, yeah, you'd like to get into
Speaker 4: that and find out what they found out. But they
Speaker 4: weren't eaten by cannibals, and they didn't just suddenly disappear
Speaker 4: they actually think they know exactly what happened, so if
Speaker 4: you want, we can get into that later. Other than that,
Speaker 4: we're watching the useful or useless Summer Football League, which
Speaker 4: I am really not impressed. I mean, I would think
Speaker 4: you'd be seeing better football from these guys. But hockey
Speaker 4: playoffs are going on right now, NBA playoffs are going
Speaker 4: on right now, So it's kind of busy in the
Speaker 4: sports end of things. But other than that, I don't know,
Speaker 4: just another typical hectic week well.
Speaker 2: As far as sports go. Look, you know, it's always
Speaker 2: weird because to my mind, there's never been enough football
Speaker 2: players to populate even the NFL fully, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, enough of the up echelon guys. Now. I
Speaker 2: know that sounds arrogant and all this stuff and how
Speaker 2: dare you because you never had to do it, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, But you know, the truth is there's a
Speaker 2: lot of NFL guys who are just hangers on that
Speaker 2: just sort of exist. So I never thought of there
Speaker 2: being such a you know, glut of talent, such a
Speaker 2: you know, huge reserve of talent that we needed another
Speaker 2: league to be populated, you know, I mean, look at
Speaker 2: all the college teams there are, and the fact is,
Speaker 2: you know, it siphons down or it's you know, shakes
Speaker 2: down to just a few NFL teams relatively speaking. And
Speaker 2: even those NFL teams are not necessarily populated by one
Speaker 2: hundred percent you know, skilled personnel. So you know, to me,
Speaker 2: it's like, why does everybody keep trying to make another league?
Speaker 2: I mean, Vince McMahon tried it. There was the USFL
Speaker 2: in the eighties. There were other attempts. It seems to me,
Speaker 2: like when they unified the AFL and the NFL or
Speaker 2: whatever it was, you know, when it became the championship
Speaker 2: game and all that kind of stuff, before the days
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl. Even it seems to me as
Speaker 2: though the evolution brought it together to just the right balance,
Speaker 2: Like the equilibrium has been met regarding NFL talent. And
Speaker 2: that's it because even like I say, among all those
Speaker 2: college teams, it narrows down to just that NFL and
Speaker 2: then there's not like this huge group of left out
Speaker 2: people that are still great. You know, when it comes
Speaker 2: to when it used to come to baseball, there was
Speaker 2: plenty of leftovers, so to speak. You know, there was
Speaker 2: like independent leagues and there was plenty of minor league
Speaker 2: systems that had decent players or entertaining players or et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Now I don't know how it is right
Speaker 2: now in the minor league system, but that used to
Speaker 2: be really interesting in the twentieth century, especially like post
Speaker 2: World War Two, when things really got you know, started
Speaker 2: back up. As far as a say like basketball, you know,
Speaker 2: you've got very small rosters there, and quite frankly, there
Speaker 2: is a glot of talent there that ends up playing
Speaker 2: in some of these like you know, weird short leagues,
Speaker 2: two on two leagues and stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 2: you could probably replace a lot of basketball players. Although
Speaker 2: I will say that year they tried to do the
Speaker 2: replacement baseball players, that wasn't such a great, you know,
Speaker 2: great event. Remember that when they were the replacement like
Speaker 2: the scam baseball players, You remember that.
Speaker 3: It's strange when that went on.
Speaker 4: We had there was a team in our league that
Speaker 4: was in Hagerstown, Maryland and the year of the strike,
Speaker 4: and they were a farm team for the Baltimore Orioles, right,
Speaker 4: and it was amazing how much they drew that year.
Speaker 4: They they actually set attendance records that drew better than
Speaker 4: the than the Baltimore team when they were playing.
Speaker 3: It was weird.
Speaker 4: They really had a successful franchise up there. But you know,
Speaker 4: the thing is with baseball, every major league team is
Speaker 4: required to carry a certain number of farm teams through
Speaker 4: the various minor leagues.
Speaker 3: So you know, you do have that.
Speaker 4: Kind of mandated you're gonna have this many teams, you
Speaker 4: got to spread them between this many leagues, so it's
Speaker 4: kind of a guarantee for guys. You don't have that
Speaker 4: in football, you know, you don't have the farm team
Speaker 4: system to bring players up. But I'm just not impressed
Speaker 4: with this UFL.
Speaker 3: It's I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, it's but see some weird rules in there, like
Speaker 4: if if you're yeah, if you're before what the fifty
Speaker 4: yard line on fourth down, you can't punt. You know,
Speaker 4: you got to you gotta make the play. So it's
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's kind of strange. But every other
Speaker 4: I guess every other sport, you've got farm teams. In baseball,
Speaker 4: you've got farm teams. In hockey, you've got farm teams.
Speaker 4: I think in basketball, well.
Speaker 2: Basketball, wait a minute, basketball, I don't think they have
Speaker 2: farm teams. But what you have is there are foreign leagues.
Speaker 2: There's enough foreign leagues in basketball.
Speaker 5: It is huge.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Yeah, the foreign market Europe and over in Asia
Speaker 4: basketball is huge.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. It's like almost going on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the international right professionals are effectively almost like a farm
Speaker 2: system for the NBA. It seems like, Uh, but the
Speaker 2: other football leagues anywhere else where they do them. I mean,
Speaker 2: they had the Canadian Football League. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if that still exists. Uh, you know, they they tried
Speaker 2: some sort of European Football League where like each country
Speaker 2: had a league at one point.
Speaker 4: Uh you had h yeah, good, You've got some football
Speaker 4: teams over in Europe. I went to one or two
Speaker 4: games when I was over in Switzerland, and it's it's
Speaker 4: kind of a I don't know, it's like it's kind
Speaker 4: of like UFL football. It's not all that spectacular. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you had the World Football League at one time. She
Speaker 4: had a team in Barcelona. Uh, you had a team
Speaker 4: in Germany Frankfurt, and I don't know when that went
Speaker 4: by the wayside, but uh, but it just seems like
Speaker 4: the NFL still still has teams or a game scheduled
Speaker 4: over in and then like England, well.
Speaker 2: They want to sell Mexico games, right, but they want
Speaker 2: to sell the spectator portion of it to other countries.
Speaker 2: But the truth is these other countries don't have the talent,
Speaker 2: it seems like, to support a full professional league. So
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is is that you know, it's a
Speaker 2: very narrow skills set apparently that you either play in
Speaker 2: the NFL or you ain't doing much. I mean, there
Speaker 2: used to be these arena league teams. There's been various
Speaker 2: leagues like that, right, I mean, yeah, sure there's still.
Speaker 3: Some independence football.
Speaker 4: Well no, it just to me that was as like
Speaker 4: playing flag football in the park on Saturday, you know,
Speaker 4: and you're looking about that caliber of sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But see, that's my point is that there was
Speaker 2: never enough talent to support and not enough like it
Speaker 2: just it's not there, so, you know, and it's not
Speaker 2: like soccer. Soccer is a worldwide thing, you know, football,
Speaker 2: whatever point is, it's a worldwide thing. There's plenty of
Speaker 2: talent to go around with that in multiple countries. You know. Again,
Speaker 2: the not necessarily at the head of the pack. But
Speaker 2: the point is that it's it's pretty widespread. Football. Is
Speaker 2: this very narrow thing American football, it seems like to me.
Speaker 2: So you know, and like I said, and I.
Speaker 4: Think this summer league, this league over the summer, to me,
Speaker 4: it just takes away from it. I mean, there was
Speaker 4: always the participation of the start a football season, right,
Speaker 4: you know, that first college game and then shortly after
Speaker 4: that first NFL game. So this league, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it just it's like it it waters it down.
Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, we still got football. Well, NFL's
Speaker 3: get ready to crank up. Well, I've been watching it
Speaker 3: for the past four months. It just takes away from it, right,
Speaker 3: And I always think of.
Speaker 2: It as the big problem of Bo Jackson and Neon
Speaker 2: Dion Sanders, right, which is where you know, look these guys,
Speaker 2: they had two careers, and the fact is that you know,
Speaker 2: every football game is dangerous enough that their career can
Speaker 2: end in a matter of seconds, and you know that
Speaker 2: could end two careers, right, So to me, like I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be trying to even like you know, you might
Speaker 2: even train year round, go to like you know, winter
Speaker 2: go play winter ball in Puerto Rico or something if
Speaker 2: you're a baseball guy. But football players shouldn't do this.
Speaker 2: Because all they're doing is risking their careers, which you
Speaker 2: know are not typically the longest things in the world
Speaker 2: to begin with. I mean, et cetera, et cetera. So
Speaker 2: it seems to me like, again, the equilibrium of the
Speaker 2: entire activity boils down to the NFL and that's it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: So these other games have systems that support that talent
Speaker 2: pool and produce that talent pool. Football doesn't. So to me,
Speaker 2: it's always been like, why do they keep trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, create this other And as you said, even
Speaker 2: if they succeeded, it would kind of suck anyway, because
Speaker 2: you know, then it wouldn't be the big anticipation for
Speaker 2: the beginning of the NFL season, right, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: if you had a good USFL, it wouldn't be you'd
Speaker 2: be having football all the time. It wouldn't be as special,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's almost like why you
Speaker 2: know the fact that they've spread out the baseball season
Speaker 2: so much that I mean it makes the games barely
Speaker 2: relevant for half of the year, you know. I mean
Speaker 2: football is not like that, thankfully, because they only play
Speaker 2: once a week. But still, if you had, you know,
Speaker 2: football year round, always and it was always highly you know,
Speaker 2: populated by talented personnel. I don't know, I think it
Speaker 2: would actually work against football. And you know, hockey's a
Speaker 2: different thing of its own, you know, practically a sub
Speaker 2: culture even though it's a mainstream sport, right, so you
Speaker 2: know they have farm systems and there are people.
Speaker 4: That are so enthusiastics. Yeah, I mean, it's a seasonal sport,
Speaker 4: just like football. You think of hockey in the winter time, right,
Speaker 4: think a football in the fall in the wintertime, right.
Speaker 2: But even so, it's just I don't know. I keep
Speaker 2: asking myself why they keep attempting this, you know. So anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know there's enough.
Speaker 4: I guess they figured there's enough fans out there to
Speaker 4: keep it going.
Speaker 3: But I've never heard.
Speaker 4: Of of a USFL or a UFL or a WFL
Speaker 4: team that was really really successful.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I guess, you know, it fills the.
Speaker 4: Niche for those people that got to have at twenty
Speaker 4: four to seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but then again, look, I used to
Speaker 2: love to play Made on video game consoles, and that
Speaker 2: was enough fun even when I wasn't watching football, you know,
Speaker 2: like as a steady thing you can get your football
Speaker 2: fixed many other ways, I think, especially with the way
Speaker 2: video and everything is, you know, it would be who knows,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So anyway, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: leave that one alone. It's just weird to me that
Speaker 2: they keep trying to do this and it never works.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: And the funniest one was the uh the XFL. Remember
Speaker 2: that Vince McMahon's uh, you know, NFL is bringing Oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna make it real extreme and it was just stupid.
Speaker 2: You know, I just don't get that again.
Speaker 4: You know, the look at a look at a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff that vincement Man's been behind and it ends
Speaker 4: up being stupid.
Speaker 3: So you know, go figure.
Speaker 4: But I just I don't I don't think the desire
Speaker 4: I mean and true NFL fans really, I don't think
Speaker 4: care about the UFL, or the WFL or the rest
Speaker 4: of them. They're NFL fans. They've got their teams they
Speaker 4: pull for. They don't need anything extra. And like I said,
Speaker 4: it's nice to have that break and you have that
Speaker 4: anticipation of the season coming up. College football. I look
Speaker 4: forward to college football. Well, to me, it's very entertaining.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see there's falls coming, so yeah, there's ready to start,
Speaker 3: right But.
Speaker 2: There's your one you know, one way street of farm system,
Speaker 2: right there is. And that's the only way I could
Speaker 2: look at college football because I've never found it entertaining.
Speaker 2: But that's your one way farm system, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, where they don't ever end up going back
Speaker 2: to the miners. They either get cut or they don't,
Speaker 2: you know. And when they get cut, they might get
Speaker 2: a job somewhere else or they don't, so they never
Speaker 2: go back to the farm league. You know, they don't
Speaker 2: go back to college ball usually. Uh, at least I've
Speaker 2: never heard of it, you know what I'm saying. With
Speaker 2: the other things, Listen, an NBA player could be an
Speaker 2: NBA player, he's not doing so good, then he goes
Speaker 2: to Italy or wherever it plays for a little while
Speaker 2: and then comes back, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: and baseball guys, they go to the miners, they come up.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some guys that you know, spend their
Speaker 2: life in a rotation between you know, Triple A, Double
Speaker 2: A and the big league team you know occasionally and
Speaker 2: you can make a living.
Speaker 3: I guess the.
Speaker 4: Closest thing to a I ain't to say but I
Speaker 4: guess the closest thing to a farm system for the
Speaker 4: for the NBA is the w NBA since they've been
Speaker 4: flipping a bill for them since they're you know inception. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but again another you know, you talk about pouring money
Speaker 4: down a drain, just look at the w n B
Speaker 4: A and and some money they're breaking in what they
Speaker 4: lose forty dollars a year, see another years.
Speaker 2: Another one way street, which is hilarious, but it's all
Speaker 2: money going down the street instead of you know, talent, right,
Speaker 2: and it's only going one way. You know what's really
Speaker 2: funny about that too is I've gotten more into the
Speaker 2: sports cards and I'm trying to, you know, learn about stuff.
Speaker 2: And you do know there's w NBA sports cards, right
Speaker 2: of course only one player sells yeah cards of course,
Speaker 2: you know it's like show Hao Tani at this point, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, show Hao Tani. If you look at
Speaker 2: like online auctions, there's people that literally have run four
Speaker 2: hour auctions selling nothing but show hey o Tani baseball
Speaker 2: cards in ten second auctions that you have ten seconds
Speaker 2: to bid on them, and they will literally do that
Speaker 2: for five hours. There's so many cards of the guy
Speaker 2: and they're in such high demand and it's amazing, But
Speaker 2: she doesn't sell like that. But she's literally like the
Speaker 2: only one that really sells these Like card dealers get
Speaker 2: frustrated because they get talked into w NBA cards and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you, I'll give you my Angel Reache
Speaker 4: rookie card for your for your Caitlyn Clark, I forget it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, nobody wants the other ones. I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, and that's what I'm observing, is the only
Speaker 2: thing selling for more than a dollar is Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: And yeah, another weird.
Speaker 4: Though you look at yeah, look at the impact that
Speaker 4: she had though when she went from college to to
Speaker 4: pros I mean it was I don't think I've seen
Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen that much of an impact
Speaker 4: in a lot of years of a player going from
Speaker 4: college to professional sport, regardless of what the sport is,
Speaker 4: that made the impact that she did. I mean, she
Speaker 4: really she was the one thing to bring people into
Speaker 4: the coliseums to see the games. You know, my team,
Speaker 4: we've been pulling for him for five years and they've
Speaker 4: lost every year they've had a you know, total was
Speaker 4: a losing record. But Caitlin Clark's coming, I'm going hey,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Speaking of news stories, they just sort of suddenly disappeared,
Speaker 2: but they were a moment of outrage, you know, for
Speaker 2: for a quick hot second in the news cycles. I
Speaker 2: don't remember what actually happened with the dildos being thrown
Speaker 2: onto the courts at WNBA games. I know it was
Speaker 2: a thing for a while and then they were like
Speaker 2: threatening to prosecute people for doing it, and then it
Speaker 2: just sort of went away. Yeah, what happened.
Speaker 4: There was wasn't that snafu over pay or something that
Speaker 4: they felt like they should be paid more because they're
Speaker 4: professional athletes, and and so they started, you know, you
Speaker 4: saw some comments in the news, and then people just finally.
Speaker 3: Kind of got tired of it and said, look, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's the NBA.
Speaker 4: What do you expect to get paid for Your whole
Speaker 4: league is being subsidized by the NBA. If it wasn't
Speaker 4: for the NBA paying the money, you guys wouldn't even
Speaker 4: be playing.
Speaker 3: So you know, shut up and be thankful. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: that one went away quick.
Speaker 2: It did go away quick. And the whole thing really
Speaker 2: started with those with the soccer team right with the
Speaker 2: women's like you know, world soccer team, the US team, right,
Speaker 2: and they were like saying, yeah, right, and she was saying, oh,
Speaker 2: we should be paid more, you know, just like the men.
Speaker 2: And they're going, yeah, you don't draw the crowds, so no.
Speaker 2: And then they did pay them, you know, some kind
Speaker 2: of upscale wage. And then the next thing you knew
Speaker 2: is WNBA was kind of going, well, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: we should do the same thing. And then I don't know,
Speaker 2: fans responded with dildo's on the court. I took it.
Speaker 4: The funny thing about the US women's soccer team was they,
Speaker 4: you know, Megan Rappnou and a few other ones started
Speaker 4: making comments about money. Yeah, and it's like, you know, well,
Speaker 4: we should be paid as much as the guys. And
Speaker 4: the funny thing was is when they went through contract negotiations,
Speaker 4: they had the opportunity to have a structured contract like
Speaker 4: the guys, but no, they chose a different contract structure.
Speaker 3: So they shot themselves in the foot from the beginning.
Speaker 4: And when it hit the news, a lot of these
Speaker 4: sports commentators were pointing out, you know, these women are
Speaker 4: complaining now, but they had the opportunity when they got
Speaker 4: the original contracts written up to do it the same
Speaker 4: way and base their pay structure the same way as
Speaker 4: the guys, and they didn't, They specifically did.
Speaker 3: Not want to do that.
Speaker 4: Now they find out they're getting short changed according to them,
Speaker 4: and they want to change in the middle of the deal.
Speaker 3: What the contract was.
Speaker 4: I mean, it just they shot themselves in the foot
Speaker 4: and then they realized they screwed themselves, and then that's
Speaker 4: what made the news.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. But you know, that.
Speaker 4: Team that Megan Rappano is on played a high school
Speaker 4: team and lost something like eleven to one.
Speaker 3: These were high school junior or high or high.
Speaker 4: School guys that they played against, and the teenagers smoked them,
Speaker 4: so they kind of didn't really have bragging rights on
Speaker 4: that one. Well, just be thankful for what you got
Speaker 4: and shut up.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. People have to realize this above
Speaker 2: all else. Sports is entertainment, even if it isn't sports
Speaker 2: entertainment like the WWE. Okay, it's entertainment. So there are
Speaker 2: various elements that play here. Sure, it's a sport, it's
Speaker 2: a skill, it's a discipline, blah blah blah, but it's
Speaker 2: also a entertainment entity. And here's the one thing you
Speaker 2: can guarantee in entertainment is that there is no rhyme
Speaker 2: or reason or egalitarian schedule that anybody is on in
Speaker 2: the entertainment business. I mean, how do you not know that?
Speaker 2: You know, in this world there are people that are
Speaker 2: gonna be overpaid and there are people that are gonna
Speaker 2: be underpaid, and it's got zero to do with their skill.
Speaker 2: It's got zero to do with what they're worth as
Speaker 2: human beings. It is just the nature of the beast.
Speaker 2: And most of the time, you know what it boils
Speaker 2: down to exactly what you just talked about, Either you
Speaker 2: got a good pin, a good contract, or a bad one.
Speaker 2: And half the time it's almost impossible to know until
Speaker 2: guess what, it's too late. And that's just the reality.
Speaker 4: We went through that with Well, we saw that perfect
Speaker 4: example of that back during the Colin Kaepernick episodes when
Speaker 4: he was with the forty nine ers and you know,
Speaker 4: he was under contract, he was going at the end
Speaker 4: of the season, he was going to become a free agent. Okay, well,
Speaker 4: he decided to quit his contract and go free agent.
Speaker 4: He was he had a guaranteed position and money, he
Speaker 4: decided to nullify that, thinking that out on the free
Speaker 4: market he could bring in more money.
Speaker 3: Well, right before he decides to do that is.
Speaker 4: When he started pulling his stunts of kneeling during the
Speaker 4: national anthem and wearing pig socks, you know, to practice
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And people started seeing it and
Speaker 4: he started causing problems, and the forty nine ers said,
Speaker 4: you want to go and play free agency, go for it, Bud,
Speaker 4: You're released.
Speaker 3: And then he found out.
Speaker 4: He couldn't draw the money because he was creating problems,
Speaker 4: and team owners didn't want to have to deal with
Speaker 4: the crap. You know, they got enough problems on our hands.
Speaker 4: Last thing they needed. Somebody's getting headlines every weekend because
Speaker 4: they want to call the NFL racist. And I'm sitting
Speaker 4: here looking at the percentage of black players in the
Speaker 4: NFL and the money that they're making, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: what other job opportunity do you have where the majority
Speaker 4: of players are of a race that now wants to
Speaker 4: say they're.
Speaker 3: Being discriminated against. And it made no sense, and it
Speaker 3: made no sense to the fans, it made no sense
Speaker 3: to the owners, and Colin Kaepernick just shot himself in
Speaker 3: the foot over that one. She had the money.
Speaker 2: Here's the argument, and he if he hadn't.
Speaker 4: Done what he did, even if he was traded, he
Speaker 4: still would have brought in the money, but he wanted
Speaker 4: to spit in the system's face and it ended up
Speaker 4: costing him. But he's you know, it's a perfect example
Speaker 4: of looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Speaker 2: Well, I look, I don't know about looking a gift
Speaker 2: horse in the mouth at all. I don't even want
Speaker 2: to judge that. Here's what I understand is that if
Speaker 2: he was good enough, they would have figured out a
Speaker 2: way to make a spot for him somewhere. That's what
Speaker 2: I figure.
Speaker 4: If he was You're right, if he was good enough,
Speaker 4: he wouldn't have to worry about being traded because he
Speaker 4: would have pulled in the money no.
Speaker 3: Matter who got him.
Speaker 4: Now. But he was just a mediocre player that didn't
Speaker 4: have the stats to back it up. Right, So being
Speaker 4: me thought, well, I'll go free agency and somebody will
Speaker 4: pick me up. And it's like, dude, I got three
Speaker 4: quarterbacks on my roster right now with better stats than you.
Speaker 3: And I've got to cut one of them. Why would
Speaker 3: I want you?
Speaker 2: Well, But that's the thing is that even with right. Look,
Speaker 2: if you removed his politics, they might put up with
Speaker 2: him because he has the potential to eventually be better, right,
Speaker 2: And so somebody might do that because that might be better
Speaker 2: than something they know is broke down that they already have.
Speaker 2: So he might have had a shot at being a
Speaker 2: backup somewhere. But he didn't have the clout or the
Speaker 2: record to justify the aggravation. And it's just that simple. See,
Speaker 2: that's a miscalculation on his part. I don't even want
Speaker 2: to get into whether he was justified or had a
Speaker 2: right to feel or I don't care, because here's the
Speaker 2: bottom line. Once again, it's you know, and people would oh,
Speaker 2: that's racist, but no, I think racist or not. If
Speaker 2: he had the skill, they would have worked it out,
Speaker 2: you know, bring him on the team, tell him to
Speaker 2: shut up. You know, listen, here's part of your new contract, chief,
Speaker 2: shut the hell up. Okay, there's part of our new contract.
Speaker 3: One percent on that.
Speaker 4: So I'll give you a good example of an organization
Speaker 4: they shot themselves in the foot. Look at this last
Speaker 4: playoff season. The Carolina Panthers two years ago had three
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that all ended up playing for playoff teams and
Speaker 4: they got rid of them for a draft pick that
Speaker 4: turned out to be lackluster and mediocre if you could
Speaker 4: even consider he was as good as mediocre. And they
Speaker 4: got rid of these guys instead of working them through
Speaker 4: the system knowing that they had potential. And hell, one
Speaker 4: of them ends up playing into them Super Bowl. We
Speaker 4: had the guy two years ago and they cut him.
Speaker 4: It just makes I don't know, and don't get me started.
Speaker 4: And and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Look, you roll the dice when it comes to sports.
Speaker 2: I mean I think back to you know, uh, Nolan Ryan,
Speaker 2: you know, part of the sixty nine Mets, but he
Speaker 2: had an in He was inconsistent, believe it or not,
Speaker 2: as a young player, as a young pitcher. So you know,
Speaker 2: he's traded away with like six other guys for one
Speaker 2: slugger and like two like utility players or something. And
Speaker 2: seven guys get traded right in order for the Mets
Speaker 2: to pick up one slugger, so because they thought that
Speaker 2: would improve the team. And he wasn't doing them that
Speaker 2: much good because he was a.
Speaker 3: Reliever right up somebody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you brought up somebody that had a mouth
Speaker 4: on him and was controversial, but he made his money
Speaker 4: because he could put.
Speaker 3: Up or shut up. And that was Deon Sanders.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: A lot of people that didn't.
Speaker 4: Like Deon Sanders, but when it came down to play
Speaker 4: in the game, Deon Sanders was the guy you wanted
Speaker 4: out there to catch that ball, regardless of his politics,
Speaker 4: regardless of the things that he would say, regardless of
Speaker 4: the stuff that came up. Neon Dion earned his money
Speaker 4: because he had the talent. Right now, he leaves and
Speaker 4: becomes a coach at Colorado because his son was quarterback
Speaker 4: at Colorado, and he ticked off a lot of people
Speaker 4: in Colorado because it seems like, you know, his son
Speaker 4: didn't turn out to be the you know, the savior
Speaker 4: of the NFL quarterback says, as everybody was making him
Speaker 4: out to be. And a lot of people are now saying, well,
Speaker 4: he wouldn't have got the exposure and he wouldn't have
Speaker 4: got this if it hadn't been from Deon Sanders becoming coach.
Speaker 3: And I was a huge.
Speaker 4: Colorado Buffalo's fan. I got hooked on them when we
Speaker 4: lived out in Colorado Springs. But he ticked off a
Speaker 4: lot of people in that college organization just from the
Speaker 4: way that you know, he was show voting and pushing
Speaker 4: his son, and then his son turns out to kind
Speaker 4: of flop his first year playing pro. So, you know,
Speaker 4: but that was somebody who created controversy. But when it
Speaker 4: came down to it, Demand had talent. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 4: the sorting about Dean Sanders. But if Demand could play
Speaker 4: football exactly.
Speaker 2: But my other point here, though, is that you know,
Speaker 2: the potential if somebody is not always realized, like you
Speaker 2: said with the quarterbacks they traded away and this, and that,
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of Listen, some people develop under
Speaker 2: the pressure of you know, stumbling at first, and some
Speaker 2: people don't. You know, I can recall a lot of
Speaker 2: number one draft picks in baseball that were supposed to
Speaker 2: be the second coming of everything. And you know what,
Speaker 2: you probably couldn't even name these guys who you know,
Speaker 2: I knew as again collecting baseball cards, you know it.
Speaker 2: I mean I would open up a pack of baseball
Speaker 2: cards and I could sell a rookie card for one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, a current year rookie card in the nineties,
Speaker 2: you know, because these guys were thought to be such,
Speaker 2: you know, great players. I'll give you two names that
Speaker 2: you probably don't even recognize at this point. Todd Zial
Speaker 2: and Todd Van Poppole, the two Todds in ninety and
Speaker 2: ninety one, and Todd Ziel was a catcher and Todd
Speaker 2: Van Poppole was a pitcher, and they were both supposed
Speaker 2: to be these superior, you know athletes. I mean, nothing
Speaker 2: like we see with show hey Otani, but they for
Speaker 2: their time period, they were going to be the next
Speaker 2: you know, superstars Hall of Famers poof Does anybody know
Speaker 2: who they are? You know what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 2: their careers weren't even long, so you know, and it happens,
Speaker 2: and Nolan Ryan think about it. There's a guy who
Speaker 2: is known for consistency, longevity, having pitched complete games. The
Speaker 2: guy would pitch, you know, entire games, not like they
Speaker 2: do today, six innings and crap. The guy go pitches
Speaker 2: all the way into his forties, right with a bad
Speaker 2: back and does eight nine innings and complete games, you know,
Speaker 2: through seven no hitters, and some of them were later
Speaker 2: in his career. But at first they disregarded him because
Speaker 2: he was a little wild. They didn't want to work
Speaker 2: him out, and the Mets just do stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but a lot of these other teams did it too. Anyway,
Speaker 2: there's a narrow talent for these things to be the
Speaker 2: superior athlete. And Deon Sanders was not a bad baseball
Speaker 2: player either, you know, Oh.
Speaker 4: He he was good.
Speaker 3: Well, look at Michael Jordan. He tried baseball and failed miserably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the goat and everything else. And then
Speaker 2: he was gonna like, hey, I'll gonna stop playing basketball
Speaker 2: since I'm so great at everything, I'm gonna go play baseball.
Speaker 2: And the White Sox said, yeah, Michael, sorry, because he
Speaker 2: just wasn't that good.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: And he was good in high school.
Speaker 2: No, no, fine, high school is one thing. But you
Speaker 2: know how many high school pitchers are gonna throw one
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour and literally be able to shave,
Speaker 2: you know, hair off your face. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: major league pitchers that can do that, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've seen some high school players here that
Speaker 3: very impressive. Even take it.
Speaker 2: Well, But that's the thing is sometimes these kids, you know,
Speaker 2: because they've been you know, pushed a little too fast,
Speaker 2: a little too hard. I mean when when I was
Speaker 2: playing as a kid, we weren't even allowed to slide
Speaker 2: step as pictures, you know, the slide that you do
Speaker 2: to like wind up. They didn't want us to really
Speaker 2: load up our arms as kids. Uh. You know, I
Speaker 2: understand that that kind of thing has changed now and
Speaker 2: some of these kids blow out their arms. By the
Speaker 2: time they're twenty two, it's over. The arm's gone. You know.
Speaker 2: Even if they were phenomenal at a certain point, they
Speaker 2: peaked too early in boom, they blow it up, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a reason why Tommy John surgery is
Speaker 2: a thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But anyway, what my other question wanted?
Speaker 2: Oh oh, listen, but before we go in anything else, though,
Speaker 2: we've been talking a while and Jimmy James has been
Speaker 2: on hold, so I do want to get to him.
Speaker 2: And I meant to segue into bringing him on earlier,
Speaker 2: but we were engaged here, so I I do want
Speaker 2: to get them on. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: The question I had of the two was this new
Speaker 4: software that you've got, does it work on Linux?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should.
Speaker 3: I have to be Microsoft, No, No it should.
Speaker 2: No, it's it should not have a problem on Linux.
Speaker 2: The problem is that it's a matter of capacity. So
Speaker 2: you know, you have to have a certain amount of
Speaker 2: processing power and speed. So if you look up the
Speaker 2: you know, the specs on it. Also they tell you
Speaker 2: don't run anything else, which is impossible for me. They
Speaker 2: tell you not to run like pretty much anything else
Speaker 2: while you're running this on a computer, because it obviously
Speaker 2: takes up a lot of resources. Uh that's the advice.
Speaker 2: Now I've tried to run it on my computer. It
Speaker 2: runs like crap and doesn't really run, so, you know.
Speaker 2: And and the advice basically that came back from the
Speaker 2: tech people is Windows eleven. Uh you know, but a
Speaker 2: year go I didn't I wouldn't have been told that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It would have worked on
Speaker 2: Windows ten, which is why I'm pissed. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: I need something that can load Windows eleven. And as
Speaker 2: I told you, even though you mentioned there might be
Speaker 2: some sort of workaround, you know, I went to go
Speaker 2: try and see. You know, can I try Windows eleven
Speaker 2: on my computer?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I can't, it says, no, I don't have the Uh
Speaker 2: you know again, I don't have the power to do so.
Speaker 2: So what you need is just something that's more powerful.
Speaker 2: And even certain Apple machines are no good now, but
Speaker 2: Apple's a different animal when it comes to this, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? No, No, So I need either
Speaker 2: a powerful laptop which I can plug to a larger
Speaker 2: screen that way I can see it, you know, and
Speaker 2: a new computer just to be able to run everything else.
Speaker 2: Or I need a very powerful computer. And you know,
Speaker 2: I forget how many how powerful the drives have to be,
Speaker 2: or how powerful the memory and the speed has to
Speaker 2: be on the computer. It's got to be something that is,
Speaker 2: you know, higher class as far as power and speed.
Speaker 2: And my refurbished machine that I bought. How many years
Speaker 2: ago did I buy the new one? Do you remember?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: Okay, I've been trying to keep up when I bought
Speaker 4: this one. I've got the same problem. I try to
Speaker 4: go to eleven, it tells me where your processor isn't
Speaker 4: fast enough?
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing. So you know, I just I need
Speaker 2: to get something with a faster processor and Windows eleven
Speaker 2: on board, which I can do with a refurbished computer
Speaker 2: again rebuilt. You know, they can always add stuff and
Speaker 2: everything else, but it's still, you know, it's the same problem.
Speaker 2: A few hundred more dollars to get a new one.
Speaker 2: But you know, I will definitely settle for going to
Speaker 2: and Besides that, I can go to a local shop
Speaker 2: picking up myself, and I've got somebody who if there's
Speaker 2: something wrong with it or it gives me a problem,
Speaker 2: I know where I can bring it, you know, and
Speaker 2: if it's within a certain amount of time, he'll repair
Speaker 2: it or deal with it and take off the responsibility
Speaker 2: for it if it's you know, within the first couple
Speaker 2: of months, which I appreciate. And also it's a local,
Speaker 2: it's a local guy. I'd rather do that. You can't
Speaker 2: buy these off of the uh, you know, the the
Speaker 2: electronics section at Walmart either something that's strong enough. If
Speaker 2: you notice, all that stuff is stripped down. That's why
Speaker 2: it's a little cheaper at Walmart and best Buy or
Speaker 2: whatever is still out there where you can still have
Speaker 2: an electronic section in a place or it's an electronics
Speaker 2: store of sorts. Most of that stuff is stripped down
Speaker 2: for the consumer and meant to be there so you know,
Speaker 2: they can watch Netflix basically they can stream video to themselves,
Speaker 2: but to actually communicate and simultaneously stream, you know, upload
Speaker 2: and download in real time, yeah, you need you need stronger,
Speaker 2: more efficient processors, and you actually better off with the
Speaker 2: like the DA You know, the what do you call it,
Speaker 2: the SD card type drive instead of the old standard
Speaker 2: disk drive as well. But whatever, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: looking to choose as a beggar here anyways. At some
Speaker 2: point that's got to get done. So I want to
Speaker 2: bring on Jimmy James.
Speaker 3: If you don't mind you ready, yeah, yeah, And of.
Speaker 2: Course anybody else can join in. Call us if you
Speaker 2: want three one nine five two seven five zero one six,
Speaker 2: that's the number to join us. It's about let's see
Speaker 2: eight forty seven as I'm reading the clock here in
Speaker 2: the Eastern time zone of what we used to call
Speaker 2: America and all that, so you know, that's where we're at.
Speaker 2: That's what was, That's what is, Like I said at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show, and this will be Jimmy James,
Speaker 2: and I got a dog barking in the background. My apologies,
Speaker 2: but here's Jimmy James. How you doing.
Speaker 7: Doing good here?
Speaker 2: Check excellent?
Speaker 7: Jimmy James, the journalist.
Speaker 2: The journalist. All right, what do you got for me?
Speaker 2: Journalist Jimmy James.
Speaker 7: Hey, I got your package.
Speaker 2: Oh great, I am so happy about that because we
Speaker 2: have had stuff lost that I've sent to you and
Speaker 2: I swear to you I've sent your stuff and it's
Speaker 2: just disappeared. One package was returned to me, but most
Speaker 2: of them do not make it anywhere. They just go
Speaker 2: into the void. So I'm glad you got it. Was
Speaker 2: it in one piece?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Thank you? By the way, Oh excellent, Uh I got
Speaker 7: oh way to go man, you know it? Jared Goff JFK.
Speaker 7: Why I even got an Ocelie baseball card?
Speaker 2: That's right. I tried to give you a little bit
Speaker 2: of everything in there that I thought you would, you know,
Speaker 2: want to keep.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you do good, Chuck, you do good.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 7: Why Chuck is the only podcaster that I trust.
Speaker 2: Well, because you know, I'm honest at least, you know,
Speaker 2: I could make mistakes. I could be stupid maybe, but
Speaker 2: I'm an honest guy, and I mean, well you know
Speaker 2: that much, right, I know?
Speaker 7: Chuck is exactly Chuck's got on it. He is what
Speaker 7: he says that, he says, what he is. He's a
Speaker 7: good man.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Jimmy. I'm glad you're feeling that way tonight.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad, and I'm also very very happy the
Speaker 2: package made it to you. So that that makes me
Speaker 2: feel real good because I was starting to worry. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I hope this doesn't get lost again,
Speaker 2: because you know, if I was you, i'd start taking
Speaker 2: Maybe Chuck just says he sends me stuff and he
Speaker 2: doesn't really send it, you know. But but you know
Speaker 2: that's not true. I mean it's just weird.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there has been stories in the papers about the
Speaker 7: post office in my area. I mean people are people
Speaker 7: were stealing stuff. I mean they got issues. In fact,
Speaker 7: now I think about it, I believe I recall Aaron
Speaker 7: mentioning that someone stole his mail too. Was that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah? At one point he you know, some mail was stolen,
Speaker 2: he thought, and then they stole a whole bank of
Speaker 2: those mailboxes. Remember there was like I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was like at the end of a duel development
Speaker 2: or if I remember.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm curious of one that happened, if by any chance,
Speaker 7: it was August to twenty four, because if so, I
Speaker 7: could help him. It turns out I know who did this.
Speaker 7: He may even recognize the names, and then he would
Speaker 7: know who did this if he does.
Speaker 3: Recognize the names.
Speaker 9: No kidding, Well, I should explain it.
Speaker 2: You should write an email.
Speaker 7: Perhaps I should well, I should explain this bit the
Speaker 7: beginning in the ending is that there's two characters that
Speaker 7: I have their names and information right in his area.
Speaker 7: And I mean, if he recognizes these names, guess what
Speaker 7: he would get the unusual pleasure of knowing who screwed
Speaker 7: him over.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, I would send him an email and you know,
Speaker 2: let him know, because that would be rather fascinating. Because
Speaker 2: I don't remember what happened with that story. It was
Speaker 2: sort of like it just sort of happened for a
Speaker 2: little bit. And you know what's funny is that that
Speaker 2: sort of happened in a wave I would say, like
Speaker 2: during the pandemic time, and then for a couple of
Speaker 2: years afterwards, there were like occurrences all over the country
Speaker 2: of like male people getting fired for doing weird stuff
Speaker 2: with the male I don't know if you remember reading
Speaker 2: about that, but it just seemed to start happening like
Speaker 2: a lot right after you know, the pandemic happened. Am
Speaker 2: I crazy?
Speaker 7: Is that now it's going on the problems that the
Speaker 7: post Office can't keep employees. I I gave my vehicle
Speaker 7: workdown from the same dude the works on the post
Speaker 7: office vehicles. He said that they've literally gone through one
Speaker 7: hundred people this year so far. They can't keep the
Speaker 7: full employed.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 7: Something else that is to say, uh uh.
Speaker 10: Well, uh.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't mean to throw you off Yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't mean to throw you off track. But it's just
Speaker 2: I was thinking of a time period where it really
Speaker 2: starting out.
Speaker 7: Oh wait, let me get this off my home before
Speaker 7: it disappears again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I also managed to find the origin point. See that
Speaker 7: was the endpoint of the shoot. But these people, what
Speaker 7: they did is they took the information off the black market,
Speaker 7: and I figured out how it got there too. The idiot.
Speaker 7: There's a perfume bureaucrat that clearly uses his work computer
Speaker 7: to view pornographic materials and got viruses.
Speaker 3: Ah, what a jerk.
Speaker 2: So he's got like those kind of tropes. He's got
Speaker 2: like those trojan horses that steal information. Right, So you know,
Speaker 2: some bureaucrats got a whole list information on people's personal
Speaker 2: stuff and then somebody can hijack it with a virus
Speaker 2: in their computer, right, that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, someone definitely did, And jeez, chuck, I I don't know.
Speaker 7: I guess I'm just a lot of people person. I
Speaker 7: of course tried to talk this fella, and my god,
Speaker 7: is he a belligerent, mouthy little man.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I am starting to imagine what you're talking
Speaker 2: about here. I guess there's links to that personal situation
Speaker 2: that you were talking to me about, uh in emails
Speaker 2: not too long ago too.
Speaker 7: Huh yes, okay, yeah, it's all connected. It's uh but
Speaker 7: I figured out what happened. I've taken actions uh one
Speaker 7: trice to uh catch any damn check of using my
Speaker 7: social Security number. They're going to go straight to prison
Speaker 7: and I'll get the money, is what my understanding.
Speaker 9: Good, So you got some kind of like, well, yeah,
Speaker 9: I got just got called the social Security to people
Speaker 9: and some other people and that that know that.
Speaker 7: Someone's munkying around. Interesting fact, bazirely, the FTC, the Federal
Speaker 7: Trade Commission, they are the ones who go after people
Speaker 7: who steal people's social Security numbers. Interesting fact that I
Speaker 7: did not realize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that links to that whole discussion I
Speaker 2: had on the show many times about how like your
Speaker 2: social Security number is a monetized commodity, and you know
Speaker 2: and all that it's true. That's why the Federal Trade
Speaker 2: Commission is involved with it, because it's their domain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that makes perfect sense to me. But I've never
Speaker 2: been involved in a situation where somebody tried to steal
Speaker 2: my identity like that. I've had people clone me online
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but they never get very far
Speaker 2: because there's just I don't have, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: really have a bank account. I don't have you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So there's nothing to steal, is what
Speaker 2: it comes down to. And my Social Security number is
Speaker 2: not worth much. I mean, my first wife made sure
Speaker 2: of that many years ago. So you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not worth anything for somebody to steal the identity,
Speaker 2: but other people might have, you know, I don't know assets.
Speaker 2: I guess you know what I'm saying. Okay, we might
Speaker 2: have lost Jimmy. I don't know. It sounds like he's
Speaker 2: still there. I'll say, I'm gonna put you on hold, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: if you can still hear me, I'm just gonna put
Speaker 2: you on hold and we'll come back you at some point.
Speaker 2: But we got dead air. You heard that, right, b
Speaker 2: Pete where there was just a little bit of static
Speaker 2: and we couldn't really hear them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll come back to Jimmy. But look, anybody
Speaker 2: else who wants to jump in in the meantime, Uh,
Speaker 2: three one nine five two seven five zero one six,
Speaker 2: that's the number to call. Listen, We're almost at the
Speaker 2: end of the first hour, and I kind of have
Speaker 2: the urge to pee anyway, So Jimmy going silent or
Speaker 2: talking to his mute button or whatever is kind of convenient. Uh,
Speaker 2: But he was in a good mood, you know. Uh,
Speaker 2: So I definitely want to get back to talking to Jimmy,
Speaker 2: especially when he's in a good mood and be pete.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can, you know, you and I can
Speaker 2: just talk to each other if his phone can't get
Speaker 2: straightened out anyway. Uh, but I would certainly love to
Speaker 2: hear from more people who are hearing us live. And
Speaker 2: if you're hearing us on Friday, May first, twenty twenty six, right, Uh,
Speaker 2: let's see at eight fifty seven and a half looks
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Speaker 2: before we go to break me Pete.
Speaker 4: Oh, I would like to say goodbye to Info Wars.
Speaker 4: They closed up last night in their last broadcast. Oh again,
Speaker 4: Alex Jones has happened to start his new network. But yeah,
Speaker 4: they are officially shut down after twenty seven years.
Speaker 2: Now the Onion has apparently worked out a new deal
Speaker 2: to take it over. Is that right?
Speaker 4: They had thought they had a deal and some judge
Speaker 4: put the kabash on it, so it's still in limbo.
Speaker 4: But Alex Jones went ahead and shut it down. Last
Speaker 4: night was his last show and he's starting his new
Speaker 4: Alex Jones Network to continue his crusade against the world.
Speaker 2: Well see the first time, Yeah, but the first time,
Speaker 2: the Onion took over the website briefly, right and all
Speaker 2: that stuff, you know, and then the court order put
Speaker 2: it to kabash on it for a while. Wasn't that
Speaker 2: like a year ago at this point, I mean or
Speaker 2: more where we're that happened, and then he started the
Speaker 2: Alex Jones network separately, and he was doing that like
Speaker 2: on x and other places, and then Info Wars got
Speaker 2: back under his control. Now, the funky thing was, even
Speaker 2: though the Onion had control of his website, if you
Speaker 2: clicked on any of the uh you know, like go
Speaker 2: buy something, you know store, you know links, you still
Speaker 2: went to info Wars. You still went to doctor Jones's stuff,
Speaker 2: which is allegedly a company owned by his father. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, He's got a vitamin company owned by his father.
Speaker 2: He's probably got vitamin companies owned by all his cousins,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Uh, but not his vitamin company his dad's.
Speaker 2: And even with the Onion supposedly controlling the site and
Speaker 2: starting to post things and changing up things on the website,
Speaker 2: which was immediately trashed as soon as Alex came back,
Speaker 2: they still had the info Wars store pretty much up there,
Speaker 2: you know, and the info Wars stuff was still for
Speaker 2: sale if you click the links on there. So I'm
Speaker 2: a little confused about who owns it and why and
Speaker 2: how much they own. So, you know, does the Onion
Speaker 2: get it or is there a new media company I
Speaker 2: don't know about yet that's supposedly gaining control of the
Speaker 2: info Wars assets. Bpete.
Speaker 4: You know, well, last I could see on X the
Speaker 4: Onion didn't get it, and I read something about a
Speaker 4: judge put some type of injunction on them taking it over.
Speaker 3: So it's still in limbo right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's where it stands.
Speaker 3: Alex is gone.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Alex has now vacated Info Wars. And of
Speaker 2: course the split with Paul Joseph Watson a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago meant that he also abandoned prison Planet dot
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Speaker 2: seems like even though a bunch of his guys kind
Speaker 2: of abandoned ship during the uncertainty, always back and all that,
Speaker 2: which I also find kind of interesting because you know,
Speaker 2: those guys were complete sycophants while they're but as soon
Speaker 2: as they leave, they usually trash Alex. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: the one guy didn't, who is you know, a classy guy,
Speaker 2: what is David Knight? You know, didn't do that exactly.
Speaker 2: He criticizes Alex now, but you know, he never like
Speaker 2: went out of his way to like, you know, publicly
Speaker 2: kind of you know, joust with Alex. After leaving, he
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Speaker 2: So that's what it was, that's what it going to be. Anyway.
Speaker 2: B Pete is with me. Jimmy James joined us so far,
Speaker 2: but like I said, we always got one hundred open
Speaker 2: lines and we never ever come close to using them all.
Speaker 2: So anyway, be Pete. We were talking sports a bit.
Speaker 2: We were talking about the farm systems, et cetera. But
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, the news has been very
Speaker 2: weird this week. Anyhow, more debates on one of the
Speaker 2: websites that I do go to for information sometimes about
Speaker 2: the death penalty. Again. I couldn't exactly suss out why
Speaker 2: that discussion was happening again, except that, you know, people
Speaker 2: want to draw the political line about who's for it
Speaker 2: and who's against it, you know, And I'm one of
Speaker 2: these weird cases where in theory, if I trusted the system,
Speaker 2: I'd be for it because it would be a balance,
Speaker 2: not that it would be preventative, not that it would
Speaker 2: you know, be a proper punishment, you know, for people
Speaker 2: who do horrendous things, because to me, it's much more
Speaker 2: rough to have to live outside of you know, dying
Speaker 2: is easy to do. But anyway, you know, what can
Speaker 2: you say anymore? Is it humane? Is it reasonable? What
Speaker 2: does the world community think about it? Et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And you know what, I don't even want to have
Speaker 2: the debate anymore. I don't care who's for it who's
Speaker 2: against it. I don't trust the system to implement it.
Speaker 2: And you know, until we have a clear and effective
Speaker 2: way of doing this and also not sitting people on
Speaker 2: death row for twenty freaking years. There are people dropping
Speaker 2: dead on death row, to the point where it just
Speaker 2: looks like a whole lot of bureaucratic waste to run
Speaker 2: them through all of their appeals and everything else. Now
Speaker 2: I believe in appeals, and of course I question everything
Speaker 2: in the judicial system, and yet I look at that
Speaker 2: and say, what a complete waste of time, energy, resources, etc.
Speaker 2: I don't even care about you know what about the prisoner.
Speaker 2: We got to pay to put them up. That's bs.
Speaker 2: That's a for profit system anyway, So I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear about how much it costs to incarcerate somebody.
Speaker 2: It's not about the cost. It's about what actually makes sense,
Speaker 2: and none of it does. With the way it's implemented
Speaker 2: and not implemented and the moratoriums and blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any damn sense. So, you know, until
Speaker 2: we can streamline things and do it directly, I don't
Speaker 2: have a solid two or you know, for or against
Speaker 2: position to take on it. And I'm frankly exhausted from it.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to discuss it anymore.
Speaker 8: The reason, yeah, the reason, the reason it came up
Speaker 8: was because the military had decided that they would use
Speaker 8: the firing squad as a form of execution, which you
Speaker 8: know they had a while back and then got rid of.
Speaker 3: And the things I see.
Speaker 16: Online, especially on x IS, you know people talking about,
Speaker 16: well the death penalty of you know, to execute somebody,
Speaker 16: and and you know five states currently have the firing
Speaker 16: squad as a form of execution. In fact, remember the
Speaker 16: Brian Colberger case up in Idaho where the four roommates
Speaker 16: were killed. In the pre trial arguments, his lawyer brought
Speaker 16: up that his client was, you know, going through undo
Speaker 16: torture in that, you know, deciding you know, if he's
Speaker 16: going to get the death penalty, and and you know
Speaker 16: which form.
Speaker 3: Would be carried out.
Speaker 4: And the state prosecutor that was that was working the
Speaker 4: case basically said, well he can end all that. You know,
Speaker 4: anticipation and nervousness just took one.
Speaker 3: Just pick a form.
Speaker 4: You know, if you know, if you have guilty and
Speaker 4: you get the death penalty, there's no sense getting upset
Speaker 4: over it. Now get all worked up and nervous over
Speaker 4: the thing. You get a choice. You can pick you
Speaker 4: this method or that method. Pick one, right.
Speaker 3: It was kind of comical to the way that they
Speaker 3: brought it up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, five states now still currently have the UH
Speaker 4: firing squad as a form of execution for the death penalty.
Speaker 4: And I'm like you, if if I trusted the system,
Speaker 4: i'd be for it, and I'm I am for it,
Speaker 4: but I don't put trust in the system, especially with
Speaker 4: some of the things that we've seen come up in.
Speaker 3: Court cases here in the past few years.
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing, guys getting exonerated after being in
Speaker 4: jail for twenty seven years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one of these guys. They found out that exactly,
Speaker 2: They find out that you know, there's zero DNA connecting
Speaker 2: the guy, but there is DNA that makes sense for
Speaker 2: the crime connected to an entirely different person, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. That's happened too many times. And my
Speaker 2: point is, and I am one of these guys. And
Speaker 2: you can call me a liberal, bleeding heart or whatever
Speaker 2: the hell else you want, but here's the thing. I'd
Speaker 2: rather not execute one hundred guys that need to be executed,
Speaker 2: as opposed to putting one to death in the name
Speaker 2: of the state, in the name of the people and
Speaker 2: all that. You know, I don't want to execute one
Speaker 2: person wrongly you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's the old saying when it comes
Speaker 4: to the legal system. You know, it's better than one
Speaker 4: hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted. Right,
Speaker 4: But we see, we see these Well, in fact, we
Speaker 4: had a case here in North Carolina. We had a
Speaker 4: guy that had been in jail for like twenty some years. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the evidence that they had was showed that another
Speaker 4: guy through fingerprint and palm print testimony. Come to find out,
Speaker 4: the guy that was doing these tests for the state
Speaker 4: SBI lab didn't have the certifications that he claimed he
Speaker 4: had had and had.
Speaker 3: Screwed up a bunch of cases.
Speaker 4: So you finally get a guy that gets out of
Speaker 4: jail after twenty something years, and it was innocent the
Speaker 4: whole time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, now I remember, Okay, there was a case
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, just let me interrupt you for a second
Speaker 2: because I can't remember if it was North Carolina or
Speaker 2: South Carolina. I mix these two up all the time.
Speaker 2: There was a case where literally like this person had
Speaker 2: committed like heinous rape murder, you know, brutalized you know,
Speaker 2: a woman and a dude. Okay, this whole thing, and
Speaker 2: it turns out it was two guys. They caught one guy.
Speaker 2: They said, oh, he just wouldn't give up his accomplish
Speaker 2: The guy was saying he was innocent the whole time.
Speaker 2: And then they did let him out something like twenty
Speaker 2: two years later, okay, because finally somebody exhumed the body.
Speaker 2: Oh right, and look, in cremations, you don't get the
Speaker 2: chance to exhume the body, okay, and you got to
Speaker 2: work with photographs and whatever else was you know, retained.
Speaker 2: But they exhumed the body and literally, we're still able
Speaker 2: to lift this person manually strangled the woman to death
Speaker 2: right with his bare hands. And the thing is, the
Speaker 2: handprint was still able to be taken off of this
Speaker 2: body twenty two years later. And I don't remember if
Speaker 2: it was North Carolina or South Carolina. And allegedly it
Speaker 2: was committed by two guys who you know, overwhelmed, they
Speaker 2: did one of those you know, nighttime invasion things and
Speaker 2: just you know, brutalized the woman and abused the dude too, actually,
Speaker 2: and like you know, but they left him alive, killed
Speaker 2: the woman after raping her, and they they didn't have
Speaker 2: at the time the uh, you know, I guess twenty
Speaker 2: two years ago or twenty two years from the time
Speaker 2: this was, you know, exonerated, like say in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five or something, So you're talking like nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: They weren't able to, you know, get more than the
Speaker 2: blood type off of the seamen somehow in North or
Speaker 2: South Carolina, and you know, this guy's blood type matched,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't the perpetrator. And when they actually ran DNA,
Speaker 2: they still could on the woman the woman's body, they
Speaker 2: ran DNA, they got a partial on the DNA, but
Speaker 2: then the handprint itself did it because they had a
Speaker 2: complete representation of this person's hand and it turned out
Speaker 2: that guy was already imprisoned for something else. Is that
Speaker 2: the story you're talking about? Or am I? Or am
Speaker 2: I thinking of a different one?
Speaker 4: I think I think that was in South Carolina. The
Speaker 4: maintains I'm thinking of was Darryl Hunt. He was in
Speaker 4: prisoned for nineteen years for first degree murdered and he
Speaker 4: was convicted based on unreliable witness testimony and a recanted confession.
Speaker 3: From his girlfriend.
Speaker 4: DNA evidence later excluded him and he was let out
Speaker 4: in two thousand and five after nineteen years.
Speaker 3: The one that's really bad.
Speaker 4: Was a case of I think these guys were cousins
Speaker 4: or they were they brothers, Henry McCollum and Leon Brown.
Speaker 4: They were prosecuted for rape and murder of an eleven
Speaker 4: year old girl and they were in jail for thirty
Speaker 4: one years.
Speaker 3: They were teenagers at the time they were convicted, right,
Speaker 3: and it.
Speaker 4: Was convicted based on coerce confessions and fabricated evidence. That's
Speaker 4: the ones that really get me is when they go
Speaker 4: back and they retry the case or they look at
Speaker 4: the evidence that was used and they find out that,
Speaker 4: you know, these kids were teenagers, they have coerce confessions
Speaker 4: and fabricated evidence. You know, these law enforcement agents sees
Speaker 4: were fabricating evidence to put these guys in jail, right,
Speaker 4: and then they found out that through DNA that had
Speaker 4: fight another uh suspect and I think that suspect died
Speaker 4: while he was in prison on another charge. But here's
Speaker 4: two kids, you know, teenagers for thirty one years, you know,
Speaker 4: having to fight for their life and then finally they're
Speaker 4: let go. It's you know, they they win settlements, they
Speaker 4: get settlements from the state for this, but you know,
Speaker 4: does that is that even you know, is it is
Speaker 4: it fair compensation for taking thirty one years from somebody?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a life, that's the prime.
Speaker 2: That's the prime of their life too. That's not even
Speaker 2: like you know, and when you get out of you
Speaker 2: get out of prison at fifty and you've been in
Speaker 2: there since a teenager, you're not in the same shape
Speaker 2: as you know, regular civilian. You've now you know, gone
Speaker 2: through a thing where you're living in a box. And
Speaker 2: plus if they were you know, marked as child killers
Speaker 2: and rapists, uh, you know, they weren't exactly making friends. Okay, yeah. Good.
Speaker 3: The guy that was the longest, this was Ronnie Long.
Speaker 4: He was convicted of rape and burglary and he was
Speaker 4: in prison for over forty four years. He was convicted
Speaker 4: in seventy six despite not matching the victims description, and
Speaker 4: you know, his evidence was mishandled and there was a
Speaker 4: rape kit that ended up missing. He was fin donerated
Speaker 4: and he got twenty five million from the state. But
Speaker 4: you know, just twenty five million make up for over
Speaker 4: forty four years of being in jail.
Speaker 2: Well no number one, number two, you know, like in
Speaker 2: that case I was talking about what's messed up? There
Speaker 2: is you know, look, they got the handprint. Okay, they
Speaker 2: exonerated him, but you know that's twenty two years twenty
Speaker 2: How do you get that back? Number one? Number two?
Speaker 2: You know, what they had as a as you know,
Speaker 2: as part of the weight of the conviction came from
Speaker 2: the living witness from the crime scene who did identify
Speaker 2: these two, you know, two guys, and they identify the
Speaker 2: one guy who was in prison, right because they said
Speaker 2: he never gave up as co conspirator, but he identified him.
Speaker 2: And then when they actually brought you know, the real
Speaker 2: guy or you know, they gave him a picture of
Speaker 2: the real guy, and you know, at the time that
Speaker 2: the occurrence happened and everything, the guy admitted, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that's the guy, and he thought they were the same person,
Speaker 2: like literally, that has to be the same guy that
Speaker 2: I testified against. And he was just wrong, dude, I mean,
Speaker 2: and I'm not blaming him. You go through a traumatic,
Speaker 2: you know situation, your memory might be a little off,
Speaker 2: you know, and you're also being presented with a guy
Speaker 2: who you're being told by the police who or they
Speaker 2: are you know, protecting you now that you you know,
Speaker 2: survived this whole event and whatever, and they're like, look,
Speaker 2: we just want to get the guy, so they're sympathetic
Speaker 2: to you and everything else. You don't think that that
Speaker 2: makes it a little easier to sort of bend the
Speaker 2: person that you're being presented with. Is this the guy? Yeah,
Speaker 2: if it's close even in appearance, you know, same race,
Speaker 2: about the same height, whatever. And I think in this case,
Speaker 2: the guy was like like Latino looking, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like they were both like Latino looking guys,
Speaker 2: so you know, they were sort of similar. And when
Speaker 2: you looked at the pictures from the same time period,
Speaker 2: because the guy who did it was older than this
Speaker 2: guy at the time, but he was already in prison.
Speaker 2: That was the weird part. He's in prison for a
Speaker 2: whole other thing. And then they had to go and
Speaker 2: you know, bring this charge on him. And I don't
Speaker 2: remember if they even caught the co conspirator, because I
Speaker 2: just thought it was so ridiculous that even after they
Speaker 2: extracted the DNA from the corpse twenty two years later,
Speaker 2: they didn't have a full DNA profile, but they had
Speaker 2: enough of a profile to exclude this guy who did
Speaker 2: share a blood type with the other guy. Because look,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, I got a positive blood, right,
Speaker 2: the majority of you know, quote, white males in America
Speaker 2: have a positive blood overwhelming majority. It's like super common.
Speaker 2: Blood type is nothing, you know. I mean, it means
Speaker 2: something if you need a transfusion, but otherwise you share
Speaker 2: a blood type with a lot of people, unless you know,
Speaker 2: you got like super like what is that AB negative
Speaker 2: or AB positive blood? Or if you got TYPO negative blood,
Speaker 2: it's kind of rare. But other than that, blood types
Speaker 2: are fairly common, you know what I mean. So like
Speaker 2: a blood type is nothing, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: You know an example of how bad it is here
Speaker 4: in North Carolina, they've exonerated fifty eight people.
Speaker 3: And this is a report.
Speaker 4: That was put out by the Wilson Center of Law
Speaker 4: and Justice at Duke University. And you know, they had
Speaker 4: a problem with people that were being exonerated. So the
Speaker 4: state put together a commission back in two thousand and
Speaker 4: six to kind of look at and make recommendations for
Speaker 4: changes in the way evidence is handled and the way
Speaker 4: witness testimony is handled. And they made these recommendations. Well,
Speaker 4: eleven cases were people who were wrongly convicted after this
Speaker 4: commission was established.
Speaker 3: And so even you know, states have a tough job.
Speaker 4: On being able to try to find the guidelines for
Speaker 4: their court system to handle things like this.
Speaker 3: But here's eleven guys.
Speaker 4: Even after a commission was established and had been working
Speaker 4: for quite some time, it was still convicted over bad evidence,
Speaker 4: bad testimony, bad shenanigans by law enforcement.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm like, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: If if I could trust the system better, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: have a hesitation. But I'd rather have somebody sitting in
Speaker 4: prison than put to death. And we find out later
Speaker 4: that it wasn't him, right, you know, look at the
Speaker 4: look at the most probably one of the most famous
Speaker 4: recent cases. Uh, you know when Netflix did that special making, uh,
Speaker 4: making a Murderer, Right, And the guy who was convicted
Speaker 4: in that he had been in jail for a rate
Speaker 4: that he didn't commit, and he had an alibi, solid
Speaker 4: alibi with receipts of where he wasn't even in town.
Speaker 4: And once he got out of of prison on that charge,
Speaker 4: he met with the victim and the victim positively identified
Speaker 4: him several times, that's the guy, this is the guy,
Speaker 4: and uh, they were able to meet after he got
Speaker 4: out of prison, and it was found that it was
Speaker 4: another guy that was in jail that actually did it,
Speaker 4: you know, and she apologized, she said, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 4: got it wrong. So you know, there you have a
Speaker 4: case of somebody who was adamant, Yes that's the guy
Speaker 4: who attacked me. And years down the road, you know,
Speaker 4: they they find out that, no, it couldn't be that guy.
Speaker 3: It was this guy. We've got the DNA to prove it.
Speaker 4: So you know, what do you do that It's that's
Speaker 4: got to sit on somebody's shoulders for a long time
Speaker 4: to think that, you know, I'm responsible for that guy
Speaker 4: going to jail. Yeah, but I made an an honest mistake.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, you know, she went out of her
Speaker 4: way to persecute the guy because she didn't like him.
Speaker 4: It was an honest mistaken mistake.
Speaker 3: Can put somebody in, you know, on death row. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I have faith in the system that allows that to happen.
Speaker 2: But that's what I brought up about that guy that
Speaker 2: survived the home invasion thing, right, is that look, the
Speaker 2: guy honestly thought that he was, you know, pointing the
Speaker 2: finger at the right guy. But eyewitnesses get things wrong
Speaker 2: regarding shop lit thing. Man, I mean, they think they
Speaker 2: see stuff that they don't, and they see stuff that
Speaker 2: they didn't. You know, it's just eyewitnesses are not super
Speaker 2: as reliable as people want to make them out to be,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, in a lot of cases.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think a bigger problem that we have
Speaker 4: right now are people that go to court and are convicted.
Speaker 4: And we're seeing a lot of this in North Carolina
Speaker 4: right now. Guys that are being convicted of assault, attempted murder,
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 3: They go to jail, they get convicted, and they get
Speaker 3: six months.
Speaker 4: We have a current case that took place up in
Speaker 4: Winston Salem not long ago. A kid, a teenager gets
Speaker 4: out of a vehicle with a I don't know if
Speaker 4: it was an AR fifteen or an AK forty seven
Speaker 4: and lets fourteen shots off into a crowd of kids
Speaker 4: in a park, in a gathering and one person dies,
Speaker 4: a bunch of people are injured, and.
Speaker 3: They let him out on five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 4: Well we didn't think, you know, the judge says, well,
Speaker 4: I don't think he's that big of a threat to
Speaker 4: the community. He just shot up a group of teenagers
Speaker 4: and you let him out on five thousand some bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, it's the problem we're seeing now is with these judges.
Speaker 4: And I'm seeing stories weekly of different parts of the
Speaker 4: country where these judges get in there and get somebody
Speaker 4: that's a fifty six time of felon, you know, fifty
Speaker 4: six charges. They go, they get caught, they get let
Speaker 4: out of jail, and they're right back, you know, assaulting
Speaker 4: somebody within a week of getting out, some of them
Speaker 4: the same day that they get out.
Speaker 3: I think our problem now is more.
Speaker 4: You know, if we're gonna if we're going to prosecute people,
Speaker 4: then hold them accountable and put them in jail. But
Speaker 4: when you attempt to kill somebody and you get six months,
Speaker 4: something's wrong with that judge.
Speaker 2: Well not only then the.
Speaker 4: Judge goes against the recommendations for sentencing that the state
Speaker 4: has come up with and give somebody six months over
Speaker 4: attempted murder. You think you're going to teach that guy
Speaker 4: a lesson six months, but you don't. Sorry, we need
Speaker 4: to start looking at these damn judges.
Speaker 2: Look, the whole thing is a problem, and it goes
Speaker 2: in all directions, you know, the the over prosecution, the
Speaker 2: the over you know, the overly rigged. You know. Conviction
Speaker 2: rate is one thing, yes, But on the other hand,
Speaker 2: you're right about this. I'll tell you something you don't
Speaker 2: even want to get into. Murder and assault and what's
Speaker 2: what you know, just if you live in a populated area,
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to freak yourself out, go
Speaker 2: ahead and look at those websites to tell you where
Speaker 2: all the pedophiles are, you know, all the registered sex
Speaker 2: offenders in your area. And I'm telling you I don't
Speaker 2: know anybody that doesn't you know, that lives in a
Speaker 2: like a densely populated, relatively densely populated area that can't
Speaker 2: find themselves surrounded by the little blue dots on the
Speaker 2: pedophile website, you know what I mean, where it's like
Speaker 2: these guys don't serve time in a lot of cases.
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as I'm upset about the wrongly convicted,
Speaker 2: the guy that are just left to, you know, continue
Speaker 2: to roam and Greek havoc are also a problem. So
Speaker 2: that's the thing. It's throughout the entire system. It is
Speaker 2: from front to back, from A to Z. It's a
Speaker 2: problem because it is not being done evenly. I've certainly
Speaker 2: complained plenty of times about how poor people get treated
Speaker 2: in there, and that's true, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: there are scumbags that seem to walk free no matter
Speaker 2: what they do. I mean, look, i'll tell you about
Speaker 2: a situation. I'm not going to name names, but this
Speaker 2: is messed up. There is somebody that I know that
Speaker 2: was like, let's just say, all right, I'll put it
Speaker 2: to you. He was cutting our grass. Okay, that's what
Speaker 2: he was doing. And I don't have a lawnmar So
Speaker 2: he's one of these guys that goes around, Hey, listen,
Speaker 2: if you need somebody to you know, he stops the
Speaker 2: neighborhoods if he sees your grass is tall, and knock
Speaker 2: on your door, right, and he gets together a little
Speaker 2: client list, and that's what he does. Okay, Well, his girlfriend,
Speaker 2: you know, after he's like, you know, doing this for
Speaker 2: a while for us, and now he suddenly disappeared, by
Speaker 2: the way, but his girlfriend for a little like suddenly
Speaker 2: pops up out of nowhere. And she was like apparently
Speaker 2: his girlfriend before, but she hadn't been around. Now she's around.
Speaker 2: She's even making calls and scheduling when to cut the
Speaker 2: grass for us and some of our neighbors. Et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Right, so you think, Okay, what's Chuck going
Speaker 2: to say about the dude? Is he a pedophile?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Hang on. The girlfriend is apparently out on bail right
Speaker 2: for killing one of her own children and one of
Speaker 2: her nieces or nephews, Okay, murdering small children. She's out
Speaker 2: on bail, and she was out on bail for, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, a year and a half. At like that,
Speaker 2: I knew of her being out on bail, right, I
Speaker 2: didn't know what she was out on bail. Four And
Speaker 2: then eventually a warrant got issued for he because she
Speaker 2: didn't show up for a court case. Okay, And somehow
Speaker 2: or other they knew that she was somewhere in our
Speaker 2: neighborhood with him. Cops came looking for and at a
Speaker 2: certain point, because I guess something happened where state lines
Speaker 2: were crossed, the federal marshals were looking for okay. And
Speaker 2: I mean, she was involved in that major of a
Speaker 2: crime and was walking around for eighteen months on a bail,
Speaker 2: two children dead, one of them her own, you know.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, you know, she's saying hello to my son,
Speaker 2: right because hey, he's here, you know, and what is it. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's the girlfriend of the guy who cuts the grass.
Speaker 2: No big deal. I was like in show that this
Speaker 2: woman was walking around after killing one of her own
Speaker 2: children and either her niece or nephew. I can never
Speaker 2: get that part of the story straight. Just decided to
Speaker 2: off them because the father wasn't paying child support for
Speaker 2: her own child. And I don't know what the reason
Speaker 2: was for the niece or nephew. But anyway, apparently I'm
Speaker 2: one of the few people that didn't know about this
Speaker 2: in like just this part of town, you know. And
Speaker 2: then when somebody told me about it, went and checked
Speaker 2: on the website and there she is, her pictures up there,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean you can go and see when
Speaker 2: people have been you know, blocked up, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about bepete where you can check on certain
Speaker 2: websites and things and you can literally see their mugshot
Speaker 2: and all that. There she was smiling in her mugshot.
Speaker 3: I remember, not long ago. I can't remember the case,
Speaker 3: but a guy.
Speaker 17: Appealed it, and this was a a child assault case.
Speaker 17: He appealed it because he felt like being on the
Speaker 17: sex offender registry was unfair. I'm sitting here thinking, well,
Speaker 17: how is it unfair for people.
Speaker 4: To know who their neighbors are. You know, if somebody
Speaker 4: has been convicted of something like that, is that, Oh, well,
Speaker 4: he did his time and he paid his price, but
Speaker 4: he's on this registry, so he's being continually punished for
Speaker 4: something that he paid his dues. And I'm sitting here thinking, well,
Speaker 4: part of the dues are people knowing that you're a
Speaker 4: sex offender and you're on the registry. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: we didn't have that thirty years ago. Now we do.
Speaker 4: And I've actually heard people argue it in court that
Speaker 4: it is unfair for someone to be on a registry
Speaker 4: like that years after that they did their time and
Speaker 4: paid their debt to society, And you know, it really
Speaker 4: makes you wonder where some of these lawyers come from.
Speaker 4: I know they get paid to represent their client, but god,
Speaker 4: there's got be a limit somewhere.
Speaker 2: Well, look, lawyers, I mean I could sit here and
Speaker 2: have a complete tie rate about lawyers in general if
Speaker 2: I wanted to, but I'm not gonna waste your time
Speaker 2: with it. The thing is this, I don't even blame
Speaker 2: the lawyer for giving every single viable defense and protection
Speaker 2: to a client regardless of whether they're guilty or innocent.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good thing in our system. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing. The only reason why they have a
Speaker 2: precedent to argue over is because, you know, again, the
Speaker 2: system itself failed somewhere else, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Because if there was a good track record here and
Speaker 2: they were able to say, listen, we keep these people
Speaker 2: from committing more crimes if we do this, we do
Speaker 2: this and that, and it works to do this or that,
Speaker 2: you would think that that would be the key here
Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, look, the sex offender registry thing
Speaker 2: works real well, but it doesn't work that well. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not like it's not like it's an automatic thing.
Speaker 2: And also, I don't think it's very fair that a
Speaker 2: guy who you know, steps over the line with an
Speaker 2: overly mature looking teenager should be in the same category,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, as a straight up you know,
Speaker 2: kitty diddler. I mean, there's a difference.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, we're seeing part of that in
Speaker 4: this Epstein files things where you know, they're talking about
Speaker 4: oh the victims, Oh the victims, Oh the victims, and
Speaker 4: it's like, well, yeah, they are victims to a degree.
Speaker 4: But then again, some of these people claiming to be
Speaker 4: victims were above the age of consent when they engaged
Speaker 4: in certain activities, So you know, are they.
Speaker 3: Really a victim.
Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3: You have an age of consent loss for a reason.
Speaker 2: Look, there's a point in which Okay, a violation is
Speaker 2: a violation. Fine, But I just think that there is
Speaker 2: some level of discernment we could use regarding the I
Speaker 2: don't know the egregious nature of the crime, exactly what
Speaker 2: level it goes to, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you kill a guy in a fight is
Speaker 2: a different story than you stalked and murdered somebody, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You slept with somebody who lied
Speaker 2: to you about their age, and you know, if you
Speaker 2: look at them, you could judge it wrong too, you know,
Speaker 2: versus the guy who tracks down you know, the clearly
Speaker 2: not matured person to violate. There is a difference between
Speaker 2: these things, you know what I mean, And I think
Speaker 2: that the pendulum swings the wrong. Look, every time there's
Speaker 2: a correction on these kinds of things, there is an
Speaker 2: over correction, you know what I mean, Like the me
Speaker 2: too movement. Sure, it shouldn't be that their entire industries
Speaker 2: that are completely seemingly insulated and allow predatory behavior to
Speaker 2: take place where you know, people are put into a
Speaker 2: position of being humiliated and violated and this and that
Speaker 2: that should not be permissible. But you know, is it
Speaker 2: on the same level as the scumbag who randomly attacks
Speaker 2: and takes down somebody or invades their home and does
Speaker 2: that to them. No, I don't think so, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like the everything becomes as salt
Speaker 2: is also bullshit. You know, there's a certain level of
Speaker 2: it's just words. There's a certain level of you know,
Speaker 2: you were asked to do something, not you were forced,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There's differences here. There's nuance
Speaker 2: if you will.
Speaker 18: And well you see you see that also when it
Speaker 18: comes to this, you know, the people that are supportive
Speaker 18: of hate crimes and it's like, oh, you murdered that guy,
Speaker 18: but you know you did it because of this or that,
Speaker 18: and that's a hate crime.
Speaker 4: And it's like, well, now you're getting into the thought
Speaker 4: crime end of things. You know, yeah, I murdered the guy,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't out of hate. It was out of
Speaker 4: this it was for this reason or that reason.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter when it comes to murder. To me,
Speaker 3: I don't care why you murder.
Speaker 4: If you're there's a difference between just fiable homicide and
Speaker 4: murder and manslaughter, you know, and that's why you have
Speaker 4: those different degrees of adjudication.
Speaker 3: So I don't care why you murdered the guy. You
Speaker 3: murdered him, you were found guilty, you were convicted.
Speaker 4: But to put extra on top of it because it
Speaker 4: was done by because of hate, well maybe it was
Speaker 4: just done out of anger, you know, and the guy
Speaker 4: said something why while he was expressing his anger verbally.
Speaker 4: So now we're gonna trump up the charges. We're gonna
Speaker 4: make it worse, you know, we're gonna tackle on an
Speaker 4: extra twenty years because it was a hate crime. It
Speaker 4: really doesn't matter why you murdered somebody. If you're convicted
Speaker 4: of murder, you're convicted of murder. You know the reason
Speaker 4: why you did it, that's on you, right. Whether it's
Speaker 4: enough to get out of murder and it be deemed
Speaker 4: justifiable homicide or manslaughter is the way it's argued in
Speaker 4: court and the way the evidence is presented to support
Speaker 4: the charges. But this hate crime stuff. That's something I
Speaker 4: have never understood. You're gonna kill somebody, I mean, if
Speaker 4: you're gonna commit murder, does it really matter what reason
Speaker 4: you did it for?
Speaker 2: Well, no, And that's the you know that to me
Speaker 2: is also is see you and I agree on this
Speaker 2: completely because here we go again, because you hated somebody,
Speaker 2: Does that change anything? I mean, in reality, think about
Speaker 2: this as the surviving victim, right, the person that means
Speaker 2: the world to you, the person that is of key
Speaker 2: importance that now your life is forever changed because their
Speaker 2: life was ended. Now that is horrible. That is a
Speaker 2: terrible thing to deal with, you know, an irreplaceable parent
Speaker 2: and irreplaceable child. I don't ever want to think about that,
Speaker 2: you know, about losing one of them. You know, when
Speaker 2: it came close a couple of times where I thought
Speaker 2: that might happen, that was one of the few things
Speaker 2: I thought I couldn't deal with at all, Right, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. If somebody took somebody who was
Speaker 2: that important to me, that close to me, that meaningful
Speaker 2: to me, am I gonna be any more or less?
Speaker 2: You know, injured, aggrieved, whatever it is you want to
Speaker 2: call it because oh they did that because they decided
Speaker 2: they wanted to kill a white person. That is not
Speaker 2: going to be like, well now I'm more upset. Now
Speaker 2: that makes the crime worse, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's you know, look at the Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: Look at the Charlie Kirk situation. Is that a reverse
Speaker 3: hate crime where the.
Speaker 4: Guy that is now getting ready to go to trial
Speaker 4: over it, could he get less of a punishment because
Speaker 4: he could say, well, Charlie Kirk was spouting hate. You know,
Speaker 4: he hated transgenders and he hated gay people. And it's like, well,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, he didn't hate him, well, but he
Speaker 4: said things that were interpreted as him hating somebody. So
Speaker 4: somebody got offended by that and decided to take him out.
Speaker 4: So he's really not as guilty as somebody that just
Speaker 4: flat out murdered him.
Speaker 3: You know, you've got that opposite effect there.
Speaker 4: So does it matter if this guy, if Todler Robinson
Speaker 4: has found guilty for killing Jarley Kirk, does it matter
Speaker 4: why he did it? You know, when we get into
Speaker 4: the argument of well, now we're into the penalty phase,
Speaker 4: so we're going to drag in twenty seven people, and
Speaker 4: half of them are psychologists and the rest are social workers.
Speaker 4: And you know five or six family members that you know,
Speaker 4: the kid had a rough life. You know, the kid
Speaker 4: grew up in a broken home.
Speaker 3: The kid was abused, the.
Speaker 4: Kid was bipolar, he had been you know, in this
Speaker 4: case I'm watching today where these two kids tried to
Speaker 4: rob a couple of girls that were walking home from
Speaker 4: the movie and there was like three of them in
Speaker 4: a car and one of them had a gun ended
Speaker 4: up shooting one of the girls and she died.
Speaker 3: And you hear the.
Speaker 4: Testimony of well, you know, coming up, he went to
Speaker 4: sixteen different schools, you know, because he was being bounced
Speaker 4: around from home to home. Okay, but does that change
Speaker 4: the fact that as a teenager he went out and
Speaker 4: killed another teenager with a gun.
Speaker 3: You know, that doesn't change the fact.
Speaker 4: But well, we shouldn't be as hard on him because
Speaker 4: he had a rough upbringing. I've known people that have
Speaker 4: had the roughest upbringings. You could imagine they were abused
Speaker 4: as kids, they were in a poor situation, the parents
Speaker 4: just didn't care and basically caused a lot of the
Speaker 4: issues that the kid had grown up. But you know,
Speaker 4: they admit, hey, I had it rough, but I never
Speaker 4: had it so bad that I would go out and.
Speaker 3: Kill somebody over it.
Speaker 2: Now, the only thing so you can.
Speaker 4: Get that opposite effect, you know, do we hold somebody
Speaker 4: as culpable if the person that they took out was
Speaker 4: the dregs of society. I've known some very racist people
Speaker 4: in my life, and I'm surprised some of them are
Speaker 4: still alive with some of the stuff that they've done
Speaker 4: over the years. But it doesn't change the fact that
Speaker 4: if someone took them out, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Murdered the guy. Does it matter that he pissed you off?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: There you go, he no, no, no. Look, we have
Speaker 2: two callers now, by the way, That's why I keep
Speaker 2: trying to jump in, but I want to get to
Speaker 2: both of them. One is Jimmy James and one appears
Speaker 2: to be Danny. So I'm gonna try and get to
Speaker 2: both of them, but just really quickly. The only thing
Speaker 2: that should make a difference there is if you know, look,
Speaker 2: let's just say, let's go to the worst possible thing
Speaker 2: that people have said, and oh, well, Charlie Kirk bubba,
Speaker 2: but whatever, Okay, let's just say it was a Nazi.
Speaker 2: Let's just say he was a hateful guy and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. If he wasn't directly killing people, or you
Speaker 2: can't prove to me that, you know, by taking him out,
Speaker 2: suffering was prevented or deaths were prevented. I don't see
Speaker 2: any way to lessen the impact of what the murder is.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I'm a fan of the guy
Speaker 2: or anything. I'm simply saying that, just in a direct sense,
Speaker 2: that would be the only way you're gonna get me
Speaker 2: to back off of. Maybe I don't punish you as
Speaker 2: harshly because you saved lives or you prevent it suffering
Speaker 2: that was eminent that was occurring currently, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that would be the only way to
Speaker 2: have me go. You know what, maybe you shouldn't serve
Speaker 2: as much or not at all. But if somebody's just
Speaker 2: spewing propaganda, if somebody's spewing hate speech for real, you
Speaker 2: know what, you don't have the right to kill them.
Speaker 2: It's just that simple, and it's not gonna make it
Speaker 2: any less egregious that you did so period, you know,
Speaker 2: and the reverse is true because you did it because
Speaker 2: you were a hateful person. Yeah, no kidding. So what
Speaker 2: that doesn't change. It doesn't make it lesser, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make it greater. I mean, I could say that some
Speaker 2: people's racism is almost like a mental disorder, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't change the fact that what they did, they were
Speaker 2: sane enough to know right from wrong. That's the end
Speaker 2: of the story, you know. And they took this go,
Speaker 2: you know, and they either did it willingly or they
Speaker 2: did it. You know, Listen, Manslaughter is a different thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe circumstances happened. You weren't intending to kill somebody, but hey,
Speaker 2: it happened, right, I understand that, and that's a different degree.
Speaker 2: But if you intentionally go and take somebody's life, how
Speaker 2: do you You don't change that with anybody's hate equation. You
Speaker 2: don't change that with anybody's bs about what you went
Speaker 2: through either, because you know what, I can compare notes
Speaker 2: with most of these bastards who try and do that.
Speaker 2: I had a bad childhood, and believe me, I'll win
Speaker 2: that contest every time. And even though I've been investigated
Speaker 2: for murder, I've never been convicted, so.
Speaker 3: You know, and.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll leave it at that. Let me get to
Speaker 2: the callers bp'te okay, Is that all right with you? Okay?
Speaker 2: So first I'm gonna go to Danny in California. How
Speaker 2: you doing, man, I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3: Just a little update.
Speaker 19: Just got back from a nephew's Little league game that
Speaker 19: was enjoyable.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, Uh, fild.
Speaker 19: Up filled up the car and I think it was
Speaker 19: the six ninety three gallon.
Speaker 3: Yikes.
Speaker 19: Wow, yeah it's in and guess what the roads are full?
Speaker 19: So go figure. Yeah, a little bit kind of tagging
Speaker 19: back on what you were talking about, you know, crime.
Speaker 3: I believe that it's equal protection the law.
Speaker 19: Nobody's above the law, nobody's below the law, no matter
Speaker 19: what the circumstances are. If you get a fair trial
Speaker 19: and you're guilty, you suffer the consequences. It's pretty simple
Speaker 19: for me. Most should be when it comes to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be. But and that's the thing in
Speaker 2: our system, the way it should work. You're correct, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But that's where this conversation started, is that me and
Speaker 2: BP said, you know, in principle, not because it's preventative,
Speaker 2: not because it's anything but a correction. I could get
Speaker 2: on board with the death penalty, but my problem is that, Hey,
Speaker 2: I don't want to have the debate anymore. And B
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't trust the system to implement
Speaker 2: in a you know, correct manner. I don't because I've
Speaker 2: seen too many mistakes. I've seen too many mistakes where
Speaker 2: people have been wrongly convicted. And you know what, we
Speaker 2: also talked about the swing on the system the other way,
Speaker 2: from front to back. The whole system is simply not trustworthy.
Speaker 2: And BP and I come to the same conclusion where
Speaker 2: it's like, even if you believed, you know what, as
Speaker 2: soon as somebody's convicted, string them up on the courthouse lawn. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't trust the judicial system to make that decision
Speaker 2: in the first place, not with the current circumstances. And
Speaker 2: it's because it'll either be you know, it's unequally applied.
Speaker 2: It just is. And yeah, I know about my conversations
Speaker 2: about rich people getting better treatment and everything else, but
Speaker 2: reality again, there is no equal treatment. There is no
Speaker 2: impartiality here. And quite frankly, there's a bunch of you know,
Speaker 2: people in the system who do things that are you know,
Speaker 2: let's just say, not in the interest of justice, whether
Speaker 2: they be prosecutors or they be defense attorneys or they
Speaker 2: be judges, or they are individuals who are involved in
Speaker 2: policing that end up twisting things one way or another
Speaker 2: because they have a conclusion in hand and they get
Speaker 2: it done, or they ignore the wrong people. It's a constant,
Speaker 2: you know, misjudgment problem, and it's a little too flawed
Speaker 2: to have such finality as the way it is. So
Speaker 2: I get it, but I'm also tired of debating about
Speaker 2: the morality of it or anything else, you know why,
Speaker 2: because look, we're all going to die someday anyway, and
Speaker 2: quite frankly, you know what, certain circumstances, I don't see
Speaker 2: any problem with you know, this person basically, you know,
Speaker 2: revoked their own right to continue to breathe because they
Speaker 2: are that much of a savage and they need to go.
Speaker 2: And quite frankly, I think it's more humane than imprisonment,
Speaker 2: you know. And I know that's a weird moral stance
Speaker 2: to take, but to me, it's more morally correct to
Speaker 2: simply say, you know what, you've gone to a certain
Speaker 2: level of you don't belong here with the rest of us,
Speaker 2: and we can't ship you out to an isolated island
Speaker 2: where you'll just live and no longer be around regular people.
Speaker 2: So wherever you go, you're a burden, and maybe you
Speaker 2: should just check out early. You know, I don't feel
Speaker 2: bad about that. I don't even though I don't think
Speaker 2: it's right to kill anybody, and I don't want it
Speaker 2: done in my name though. If it's not the proper thing,
Speaker 2: I don't want it done, and then it's a mistake,
Speaker 2: and then it's you know, oops, we discovered. No, I'd
Speaker 2: rather that people weren't put to death. I'd rather people
Speaker 2: walk free. I'm one of those guys, you know, one
Speaker 2: hundred people walks free, so that we don't put one
Speaker 2: person down, or we don't put one person in prison. Yes,
Speaker 2: I believe that that's the kind of thing we have
Speaker 2: to do. But sadly the system is not trustworthy enough
Speaker 2: in my mind for the finality of the death penalty.
Speaker 2: And you know, in principle, basically, I guess b Pete
Speaker 2: and I came to an agreement about that. I think
Speaker 2: Jimmy James is also on the line. Might have a
Speaker 2: different opinion, but we'd see it. We'll see. What are
Speaker 2: your thoughts though, or would you like to skip this subject?
Speaker 2: Because you know what, either way, I'll be happy because
Speaker 2: again I'm exhausted from this debate to be honest with
Speaker 2: you throughout my life.
Speaker 19: Yeah, go ahead, I can give it a couple of
Speaker 19: highlights of just my personal view. Sure, I can see
Speaker 19: it as a self as in a small scale society,
Speaker 19: you know, community where you don't have a really a
Speaker 19: prison system, but you got a psycho far as like
Speaker 19: for self, you know, like for just self preservation and protection.
Speaker 19: I can understand it. But in our large scale, complex society,
Speaker 19: we do have too many flaws. So I saw him
Speaker 19: against capital punishment, and I kind of came to this
Speaker 19: conclusion not as a debate. There was kind of a
Speaker 19: debate here in California, you know, they were kind of
Speaker 19: doing away with the death penalty, and I was probably
Speaker 19: about fifteen reading the Gospel, and it just kind of
Speaker 19: dawned on me that here was the savior I follow,
Speaker 19: and he was put to death and he was innocent.
Speaker 3: So I just kind of had this for a moral.
Speaker 19: Reasonissed against it on that aspect, But I was touched
Speaker 19: with a quick I'll be quick, as I had a
Speaker 19: a cousin. I won't give out the name or anything,
Speaker 19: but he was a special Forces ended up being a
Speaker 19: sheriff and he was killed by his own gun, and
Speaker 19: it ended up being a big funeral in a state
Speaker 19: funeral in the state of Washington, and I saw the
Speaker 19: political forces on all sides going out. But it was
Speaker 19: interesting is that in one of the papers I was reading,
Speaker 19: it was the sister the killer that killed my cousin.
Speaker 3: He apologized. She apologized to our family, and.
Speaker 19: It was kind of in my grief, she was trying
Speaker 19: to kind of make the case even though her brother
Speaker 19: was guilty and had a problem with drugs and mental illness,
Speaker 19: he was still loved as a child by a family
Speaker 19: and that there was two families who are going to
Speaker 19: be that are devastated by it. So I at that
Speaker 19: moment decided that I got to kind of let that
Speaker 19: go where I have still some family that still would
Speaker 19: like to see him put to death, and I can't
Speaker 19: make that decision for them, but I understand how they
Speaker 19: feel that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense well right, And to me, the reason why I
Speaker 2: say it's more humane though, to actually just follow through
Speaker 2: on a fairly speedy death penalty if you have a
Speaker 2: reliable system, I believe, is because look, if you're imprisoned,
Speaker 2: you know you're basically sentenced to a walking death. If
Speaker 2: you're never going to walk out of there alive because
Speaker 2: your family eventually abandons you. You know, you have nothing
Speaker 2: else but the institution, and whether you were wrongly or
Speaker 2: rightly convicted, you're in a state of limbo for the
Speaker 2: rest of your life, where you're in a box, you know, maybe,
Speaker 2: And to me, that is a whole lot more tortuous
Speaker 2: and rough on an individual than simply putting them down.
Speaker 2: I really feel that way, you know, because look, I
Speaker 2: believe in an afterlife and I believe in all that.
Speaker 2: So therefore you'd be setting them free and letting them
Speaker 2: go back to being something better than what they were here.
Speaker 2: You know, in philosophical terms, you're doing the more righteous thing. Now,
Speaker 2: I understand where your position comes from, but I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, you and I did for here,
Speaker 2: But you understand where I'm coming from that quite honestly exactly.
Speaker 2: If you're incarcerated for the rest of your life, you know,
Speaker 2: how fair is that? And also, you know, think about
Speaker 2: stuff like this, Sir Hans, Sir Han, who's allegedly the
Speaker 2: killer of you know, Bobby Kennedy in nineteen sixty eight, right,
Speaker 2: the guy is in prison longer than you know, people
Speaker 2: have committed three murders on three separate occasions already, and
Speaker 2: he would have been let out had the governor not
Speaker 2: decided to keep him in there, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, we don't have equality here
Speaker 2: because that was for political reasons, et cetera. And you know,
Speaker 2: and the family even had mixed feelings about that, where
Speaker 2: it's like some wanted to let him go. And I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to get into a debate about it. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that after a while, you know, there's also
Speaker 2: that element of it, how long does somebody sit there
Speaker 2: and if they're gonna you know, die in there like
Speaker 2: Manson and they get claimed by you know, a grand
Speaker 2: nephew three months later, you know, you're talking about a
Speaker 2: burden and something that's more macab than anything when you
Speaker 2: send somebody to that living death of incarceration. Anyway, Danny,
Speaker 2: I want to get to Jimmy James real quick, and
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but let me keep you on the line
Speaker 2: and get a final word from you before we go. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: thank you, excellent, Danny. Hang On, Let's see if Jimmy
Speaker 2: James wants to chime in here. He was in such
Speaker 2: a good mood. I hope it didn't change because we
Speaker 2: wound up talking about a dark subject. But Jimmy, you're
Speaker 2: back on and I don't know where you went, but
Speaker 2: you were just like a little bit of static and
Speaker 2: no voice at all before. Are you okay?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 2: Like your phone's good? Oh yeah, there you are?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 7: Well, first, kept the punishment. I think it should only
Speaker 7: be carried out when it's absolutely there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 7: I mean, these characters, they're on video cameras can fast.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's no reason to keep these people alive
Speaker 7: when it's certain DNA and everything else. So when they're
Speaker 7: absolutely guilty of capital murder, then but everyone else and
Speaker 7: there's not physical evidence in particular, I'm kind of a
Speaker 7: little funny on that. But and other than that, Danny, Hey, Danny,
Speaker 7: I'm in California. Man, what's going on? Is everyone celebrating
Speaker 7: may Day?
Speaker 2: Well? You want me to put him on so he
Speaker 2: can answer himself about may Day? Oh yeah, I thought, yeah, yeah, okay, Well, no,
Speaker 2: Usually I put only one to be on at a time,
Speaker 2: just to keep down on the noise. But here, here's
Speaker 2: Danny and uh so, so Danny, are they celebrating May
Speaker 2: Day in Commifornia? Is I think Jimmy's question, I.
Speaker 19: Am celebrating International Workers Day. You know, I appreciate that
Speaker 19: after eight hours, I get over time, and I got
Speaker 19: a weekend and all those lessons. Yeah, I'm glad that
Speaker 19: Jimmy brought up maybe the International Workers Date. No, I
Speaker 19: think everybody's too busy to to They take everything for
Speaker 19: granted that the labor movement has done well.
Speaker 2: There you go. I mean, look, there's lots of different
Speaker 2: ways to look at it. And uh, you know, as
Speaker 2: far as what Jimmy James said about the death penalty,
Speaker 2: though I agree with that as well. You know, there
Speaker 2: are certain circumstances where, you know, what, if it's like
Speaker 2: pretty much ironclad, why the hell do these guys get like,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty extra years to sit around. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I agree with giving them a last meal
Speaker 2: and all that, but there's got to be a way
Speaker 2: to streamline this so that it's like, listen, you know,
Speaker 2: you're one of these cases where we know you did this.
Speaker 2: There's no way in hell that you know, this could
Speaker 2: all be fabricated or there's got to be a standard
Speaker 2: there where you could sort of know you're the circumstance
Speaker 2: that you know, meets all the criteria to get this done.
Speaker 2: You know, speedy trial and speedy enforcement of punishment as well.
Speaker 2: You should have a right to both. And again, I
Speaker 2: just feel as though that's morally more sound than making
Speaker 2: somebody wait around for twenty years and also wait up
Speaker 2: to their execution day and get a stay of execution
Speaker 2: and all this other nonsense. You see. You know, people
Speaker 2: go on for decades in there and die waiting for
Speaker 2: the death penalty. You know, what kind of sense does
Speaker 2: that make? You know, in a civilized society, Daddy, what
Speaker 2: are your thoughts there?
Speaker 19: Like I, like I said, I where I'm where I'm
Speaker 19: per sallym for moll reasons opposed to it that I
Speaker 19: do understand the argument that you know, have an absolute evidence,
Speaker 19: especially say in a small skill society or community for
Speaker 19: actual self defense, and that that kind of I can
Speaker 19: I can understand that moral argument that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, But I mean when you've got
Speaker 2: a guy who has you know, there are cases I've
Speaker 2: seen where these guys don't even want the appeals and
Speaker 2: they do it anyway, you know, where it's like if
Speaker 2: the guy voluntarily of sound mind says, listen, get this
Speaker 2: over with. I see no reason to delay it, you know,
Speaker 2: And in some cases they are like, no, you got
Speaker 2: to go through these mandatory appeals and so on and
Speaker 2: so forth, and I don't know. To me, it just
Speaker 2: seems like a gigantic waste of resources that could be
Speaker 2: directed elsewhere, you know, on people that have surrendered and
Speaker 2: even themselves have decided, you know what, I'm a bad guy.
Speaker 2: I need to go. I've seen it, you know, some
Speaker 2: of these interviews where a guy seems pretty much a
Speaker 2: sound mind saying, look, I know I messed up and
Speaker 2: I got to pay for it, but you know, let's go.
Speaker 2: You know. I mean in a case where like Caroline
Speaker 2: Morenos or whatever her name was, you know, where she
Speaker 2: was screaming about it. You know, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: That's somebody who's obviously got mental issues and might not
Speaker 2: in a sane way make that same request. But I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're basically sitting there going, look, I know I
Speaker 2: messed up, I did this, and yeah you got me.
Speaker 2: Evidence is all there, what is the delay about, you know,
Speaker 2: firing squad or otherwise at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: as long as it's a fairly efficient way.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know. Look, you can draw this line
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways, but still I don't trust
Speaker 2: the system as it stands. And it sounds like we
Speaker 2: all kind of can agree on that at least. Anyways, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: did did you? Did you want to add anything else?
Speaker 2: Because we got to now close out real quick here.
Speaker 2: I want to give Jimmy a last word and Danny
Speaker 2: a last word because Aaron is coming up and I'm
Speaker 2: really cutting into his time now by about a minute.
Speaker 2: So go ahead, Jimmy, you got a last word.
Speaker 7: I have a good weekend piece.
Speaker 2: There you go, and I appreciate that. Jimmy short sweet
Speaker 2: and of course, ending on the word piece, Danny, how about.
Speaker 19: You, I want to I want to give a shout
Speaker 19: out thanks for Jimmy James for making me smile, because
Speaker 19: that was one of the topics that I would get to,
Speaker 19: is about May Day and International Workers Day, and I
Speaker 19: appreciate that everybody that works there's digny in their work
Speaker 19: and in their labor, so I appreciate it, and I
Speaker 19: agree with Jimmy. Peace in this world.
Speaker 2: True enough, and I'll tell you something labor or not.
Speaker 2: You know, most human beings that I encounter, unless you know, again,
Speaker 2: they have decided to act in such a way where
Speaker 2: they have personally revoked their desire to you know, participate
Speaker 2: in society. I think we all deserve some level of
Speaker 2: dignity and decency, you know, regardless of our past and
Speaker 2: so on and so forth. But but then again, you know,
Speaker 2: there are characters who have done horrible enough things that
Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's enough. Slack is all I got
Speaker 2: to say. Be Pete, you got a final word for
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 3: Well, I just appreciate Danny and Jimmy calling in.
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