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Speaker 1: What is up? Pellisiccos it is part two of the

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mailbag with Mort Jensen from the NBA podcast and you

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offer sports and Forbes and of course only fans rolling

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through a bunch of questions now before we get started,

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more any thoughts, comments, concerns, announcements, life achievement awards that

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you'd like to argue.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I just want to say I'm so grateful

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for the first question we got in the last mail bag,

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which turned out to be an entire fucking episode that

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was great. Did not anticipate that you and I were

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planning to just go completely nuts with a bunch of questions,

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and then we spoke an hour of one question, which

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was that's the longest answer I've I think I've ever

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given meilback question. So kudos to us.

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Speaker 1: For yah, shout out to Utter again, and thank you

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as always for everyone who's sent me questions. As a reminder,

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if you're not already discord best place to find those

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mailbag solicitations, I'll also throw them on Blue Sky if

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you're there, at Msjamba for moret at dan Fa Valley

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for myself. Let us waste no more time, though, because

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we have many questions that we would like to get to. Let's,

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as we say, mort belly flop into this mailbag. So

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this first question I'll start us off here comes from

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Gregor MBV. What's your perspective on how Bud is handling

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the Suns right now? Playing Tias Jones even though he's terrible,

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not playing rookies and therefore putting their development on hold,

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playing both KD and Booker more than forty minutes in

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so many games, even though there's no ambition left for

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this season. How much should he be taken accountable for

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what's going on in Phoenix more take it away.

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Speaker 2: I'm very upset at the notion of Tias Jones being terrible.

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Speaker 1: How dare you you claim that you can turn the

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Kings into title contenders? So I understand why.

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Speaker 2: Look, here's the thing we all expected by to come

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in and turn everything around, and he didn't. I do

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think he's overplayed both Booker and Durant. That is completely

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fair criticism.

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Speaker 1: Over the over thirty nine minutes per game for Durant

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since February first, over thirty eight per game since Booker

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Speaker 2: That is, that is a ridiculously high minutes amount for both.

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rookies part is super fair. Like Ryan Dunn, I want

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to go get back to this because I was skeptical

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of him coming into the NBA because it felt like

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to me, he was going to have to be, you know,

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a small ball four and five because the three pointer

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wasn't really there whatsoever. The fact that he's I know,

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he's only shooting thirty percent on the year, but like

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that shot was again non existent in college. It was

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like so bad. It was one of those things where

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we questioned whether you know, he'd even hit a three

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over the first couple of years in the NBA. For

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him to actually turn into someone who can and hit

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threes while giving you some rock solid defense, yeah all right,

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Like it's not you know, all defensive yet quite yet. Well,

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I do think he deserves the reps. And then you

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have OsO obviously, who's one of the smartest dudes, who

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just moves so well, who can play the four, who

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can play the five. It's really a lob guy but

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understands positioning so well. To not utilize those two guys more,

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especially when you're giving Book and Kdi that many minutes, Yeah,

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that's that's problematic. Absolutely, So Bud needs to get some criticism. Yeah,

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he deserves some criticism. I'm not against that, but in

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terms of how much should he be taken accountable, Like,

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I don't know how to answer that. What are we

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going off? Percentage? Like what what's the cry? Yeah? How much?

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Speaker 1: He definitely feels more accountable than he should have been,

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like three that we thought he would have been like

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three months ago. For sure. You look at ESP I

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mean the rookies point from Greg Gore, I think is

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just the biggest one. You're like, these are guys that

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if they're not you're they're not. You can't say you're there.

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They're your entire future because Devin Booker is there. But

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you should get a look at them when you know

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this season's got because even if you make it to

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the play in, you're not winning the title at this rate,

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and Sam Cooper. Those guys are great and they kind

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of positive. That is Bud daring the organization to fire

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him before the end of the season. But because that's

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how egregious the rotations specifically have been, and I don't know,

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like the most troubled. I think they should be better

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on offense, Like they're eleventh since February first, and it's okay,

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that's fine, but you have Kevin Durant and Devin Booker,

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to go up top. I don't know how good this

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defense is supposed to be. When you look at the personnel,

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even if you're playing Ryan Dunne, you're dead last in

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point slot per possession over February first span. Their transition

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defense now it's awful. I want to make that clear.

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they're not back, even kind of back after they miss

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a shot. So it does feel like a little bit

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of okay if it was certainly if he was playing

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would get back quicker. And did he lose the locker

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room to any extent? We saw Kevin Durant compliment him

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in that one post game interview following the the tiff

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or the disagreement they had on the sidelines, where he

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mentioned all of Coach Budd's adjustments. But when you watch

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the Suns, when you look at the minist distribution, doesn't

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feel like he's making a ton of adjustments. And if

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you're saying that, because again, I think most of the

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blame needs to fall up top. But if you're saying

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that he needs like Brook Lopez or Chris stops porzingis

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type center to make his defensive system work, that is

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an indictment of him more than like at that point,

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because those players are so few and far between. So

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just if more if he's them, are you getting rid

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of him? Like, are you rolling through another coach at

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're rebuilding like we in the last episode,

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know probably should blow it up. If they blow it up, yeah,

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you probably need to go into a new situation with

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a new coach. But if you want to stick with

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it one more year, you're gonna need some level of

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sustainability up run in Like in terms of the coach.

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It can't. It can't be a revolving tour. It just can't.

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I don't think that is good for anyone, unless, of course,

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the guy you get in is someone who is like

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azar of you know, NBA coaching. Is that guy out there?

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with Bud for now, but be very aware that he's

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part of the problem right now, at least right now.

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Speaker 1: And I do think though, if you're gonna keep him,

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shouldn't you make every effort possible in as part of

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the Kevin Durant trade or a subsequent move to put

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then a center in there that you believe actualizes what

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he wants to do defensively and believes that he can

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maximize the defense with. So it's not you know, now

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you have no excuses. But if you're gonna keep butt around,

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then you are kind of a right, well, let's build

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our defense in the image of how he likes to coach.

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to give him a chance to succeed, right that that's

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upgrade and everyone was like, oh yeah, like problem solved.

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good backup center like, he's clearly not the guy to

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hellm Like, I've been very very impressed with it, don't

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get me wrong, but it's still Nick Richards. How are

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you going to go into next season and an upgrade

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on the center spot like yeah, you We can almost

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ask people to go back and listen to the episode

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we did with the first question because we brought up

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Rudy Gobert, like, but do we really want to go

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that route? Do the Suns want to go that route?

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paying I say A Thomas to give you advice, then

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I have very little faith in virtually everything that they do.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they can Brook Lopez a free agent. Maybe they

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can get actual Brook Lopez at the minimum.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be about seventy one thousand year or

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Speaker 1: If you're getting him at the minimum, it'll be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, no, no, that's true. I just don't

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think you're getting him at the No.

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Speaker 1: I was being facetious. I know you want to take

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Speaker 2: Question, ain't at mort who would you rather build around

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Sire or Lamello? And that's from Andreas. Yeah, I had

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a feeling that that was good, because that is the

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point of topic on my Danish podcast A lot. I

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have a hard time seeing how you can effectively build

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around these two, or rather you can build around Lamel

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easier from like an excess to no perspective. But I

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don't know whether I trust LaMelo to be the guy

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to be built around. I know you disagree with that,

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that's totally fair, but I'm not there. I'm not there yet.

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fact that he might be the most difficult archetype ever

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to build around, which I also touched on in the

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last In the last part, I'm gonna go I'm gonna

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say Sion because I do at least trust that when

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he's healthy, he's productive in the right way. Whereas LaMelo,

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I'm not there yet. I'm still seeing a lot of

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Speaker 1: I just the thing with Zion, and I'm LaMelo hasn't

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necessarily been durable enough to just say, oh, Zion's to

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injury prone exactly. But with Zion, if you have to

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build a team under the threat of your best player

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not always being available, wouldn't it be easier to build

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said team around LaMelo than it would be Zion.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I understood that question. Could you reword.

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Speaker 1: It because LaMelo? Look, I think one of the problems

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with the Pelicans, and I don't actually know how much

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blame to assign to them for this because Zion has

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not been available enough to counter it. But they built

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their team as if we want him to be the

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central focus, but we need it to exist without him. Yeah,

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and if you have to approach it from the same

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if you needed to move LaMelo to a secondary like

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he's gonna scale down better than Zion.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, that's actually a very fair point, Like

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unless you get like the absolute right teammate alongside Zion,

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which would have to be like Wemby or something. I

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do agree that you're right, you can scale down LaMelo

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at least you hope to. LaMelo might not degree that

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could be a problem. Uh but but like, yeah, rhetically

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you could. That doesn't make it, Like I'm that doesn't

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make it easier on me to go with LaMelo though,

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because his play as well is just it's all over

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the floor, like it's it's all let's just go back

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and watch Like his last eight games thirty point eight

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percent from the field thirty point eight not thirty eight

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thirty point eight percent from the field?

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Speaker 1: Who are who are the Hornets that have played the

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most time around him during that span.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the numbers on that, but I don't

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care thirty point eight No, no, no. But what I'm saying is,

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even if you're if you're supposed to be the best

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player on your team, even if you're playing with G leaguers,

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thirty point eight percent efficiency. And it's it's not just

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the lack of efficiency, it's the it's the fact that

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I don't trust him in terms of his decision making.

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I don't trust him yet to do something over a

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sustained period of time where I can feel comfortable knowing that,

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oh yeah, he's got it. Like if I'm a coach,

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if I'm a general manager, if I'm looking at a

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rough stretch in the season, I would have zero faith

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in telling and basically saying, Okay, well I have LaMelo,

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He'll carry me through this rough stretch, I have zero faith.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. It really comes down to your

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betting on a higher peak from Zion. I think that

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you can bet on a more extended peak from LaMelo

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Ball if and when he gets there, and that might

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in that situation. Your answer did not surprise me, though,

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unk ass writing off a blockbuster Trey Young or LaMelo

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Ball deal. What moves could Orlando make to better the offense?

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Is there anything that moves the needle without getting an

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offensive superstar on the roster. They look so good fighting

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through injuries, but the offense looks untenable with this.

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Speaker 2: Core I wrote about this. So yes, there is one

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guy who can not necessarily solve anything or everything, but

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he'll give you a boost Kobe White like because you

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won't have to break the bank to get him. Is

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also financially speaking, because he's going to be at like

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twelve point three or twelve point six million next year,

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going to be an issue whatsoever. There is it's the bulls,

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don't know, ten massages, I don't know. Whatever you I

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don't know, like a dinner date, I don't know. You

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can probably get him for nothing. You can at least

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squeeze them because it's the bulls, and like the last

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time the Magic dealt with Chicago, it went pretty well

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for Orlando. Let's just put it that way, so they

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would have incentive to go back to that well. But

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Kobe White is a guy who won't overpower you offensively,

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like he won't take the ball out of Polo Benkaro

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Franz Wagner's hands too much. But he will be able

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to create off his own accord. He'll be able to

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spot off off the attention given to those two. I

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think he's a pretty clean fit on that roster.

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Speaker 1: I would agree. I'm gonna throw some more names at

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you again in the non blockbuster tier.

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Speaker 2: Fred van Vliet very expensive. I you know what, I'm

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actually gonna disagree with you on this because if there's

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one thing I would worry about with Fred as well,

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we know that this is a Magic team that's really

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struggled with this efficiency this year. Fred Lean is not

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an efficiency player. He's never been like, this is a

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guy who shoots in the high thirties, very low forties frequently.

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I know the vast majority of his shots are threes.

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I get that, But even so, I would look at

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guys who are going to be efficiency players, and especially

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if they are attached to a forty million dollar price tech.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, I'm not advocating for these names. I'm

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just throwing them at you.

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Speaker 2: Yesh, you are you just did absolutely?

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Speaker 1: What about Malik Monk?

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Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, like so he's gotten so much better

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as a playmaker, but is he a guy who you

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trust with the ball in his hands at a much

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higher extent? Like I don't hate the fit, like the

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scoring fit, I actually like a great deal. I don't

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know if I trust the ball handling in that situation.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Simons has been a very popular one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look, I mean so andbuster right coming in

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just playing off of everyone, he would what would he

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step into like twenty five points per game on that

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roster he would hit He would hit like four threes

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per game on average for the year.

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Speaker 1: That I mean you do a shot attempts go down

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because defenses are like throwing two and three bodies at

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him and like trying to defend Paolo and Franz straight

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up at that point because they're worried about the three.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, will have to find out. He does

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seem like a guy who could end up there. What

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about Colin Sexton, Yeah, I mean again, ball handling, playmaking,

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like responsibilities. I don't know if they go hand in

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hands the scoring touch does? I mean he remember the

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knock on him coming into the league was that he

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couldn't shoot. Yeah, I think he's proven pretty well that's

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not a problem. He'll do fine. Yeah, I don't hate that.

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Reasonable watch what he's on, like eighteen million.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'll be expiring. He feels pretty gettable in

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some someone that they you know, would be more it

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would be more up their alley when you're looking at

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the opportunity cost. I just when I look at it,

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I want them to get someone who can hit, like

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like stretch the floor, hit shots off the dribble, but

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like actually manage the game. He's not going to manage

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the game a ton and like it's kind of the

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same thing with Fred van Fleet. Actually think it's that

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he's improved as a passer, but it's kind of the

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same thing with Malik Monk. But I also think because

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you have Fronz in Pallow that you can get someone

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who's not necessarily a floor general type and that can

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exponentially improve your offense. I would not. I mean, if

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this was like a year and a half ago, Terry

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Rozier might have been interesting. Yeah, somewhat ironically, you know,

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if they decided to blow it up like Tyler, hero

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would be really interesting in Orlando. Maybe that's two blockbustery

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for this. He was just an All Star, so probably

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too blockbustery.

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Speaker 2: And also, again, like I may, I might be looking

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too much of playmakers instead of just scorers. But Tyler

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would just he would come in and give give them

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what they needed in terms of the scoring.

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Speaker 1: I think his playmaking is improved.

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Speaker 2: It has, But is he a guy who you trust

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to play like a pseudo point guard role.

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Speaker 1: On this team? I mean, like when Palo and Franz

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are kind of your other you have these two other

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primary options. I think you could get away with that.

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I have a couple other names. I have one more

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trade candidate and then two free agents Lonzo Ball. Yeah, yes, automatic,

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yess you think like because your Fronz and Polo kind

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of do the half court stuff, and Lonzo Ball get.

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Speaker 2: You moving up and down the He's ten million or

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next year, which in the NBA terms, when the salary

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or sorry with the cab increases, he's basically free.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you could just guarantee Gary Harris's

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deal or like wan, it'd be easy to match the

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money for them to.

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Speaker 2: Scoring punch though, that's the thing. He will give you,

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the playmaking, he'll give you some spot up three point ability,

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that's fine. The volume is scoring he won't give you though,

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So like it would have to be Lonzo Ball and

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someone else.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm elite. Beasley's a free agent type deal like

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just it doesn't have to be another ball handler. So yeah, although.

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Speaker 2: Elik Beasley's everything that KCP should have been for him, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean the other thing though, so when the seven games

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Lonzo's played since February first, he's shooting like six or

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seven to three point attempts per game in under twenty

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seven minutes. Oh that's enough volume scoring, I think, not

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from scratch, which I think is what you're you're getting

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at two free agents. This one's not gonna fit the

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scoring thing. Well, I guess it could, but not to

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a te Ti Jerome Tis Jones would work. I just

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feel like, excuse me, they need someone who's more of

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a score than Ty. What about Ty Jerome?

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Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Yeah. Do we trust that what he does

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in Cleveland is something he can duplicate on a different team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the bet you're making. I'd be intrigued

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at the very least after watching him this year.

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Speaker 2: No, I would too. Don't don't keep me wrong.

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Speaker 1: Because he's not I wouldn't call him like a caps

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loock good defender, but he's so active with his hands

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that he's also someone that you could envision the Magic

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liking because they love guys who at least do something

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on defense.

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Speaker 2: And he's as fuck though, as like as a one

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as well. Yeah six five, so like defensively, even if

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he isn't, you know, quote unquote great on that end

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of the floor, his size alone will prevent guys from

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getting to their spots occasionally here and there.

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Speaker 1: Now, this player is wildly inconsistent, But would you take

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a flyer in free agency? So we're probably talking maybe

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mid level money on D'Angelo.

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Speaker 2: Russell the for the So what the non taximile.

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Speaker 1: So around fifteen a year. Let's say he would cost it.

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Maybe it's a one plus like, maybe it's just a

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two year deal, short.

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Speaker 2: Term one plus one.

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Speaker 1: Where yeah, the year two is a team two years,

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thirty two years, and I don't know what the mid

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level deal will be, like two years and thirty million

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whatever it ends up being.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's short enough. Yeah, I'll do that. I won't.

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Speaker 1: I won't.

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Speaker 2: Like, it's not something I'm in love with.

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Speaker 1: But no, I think if they're just refusing to do

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a trade and they're gonna have enough room under the

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tax like to use the full non tax payermid level,

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I think it's at least like a somewhat interesting stop gap.

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And then if the numbers, just if it's short term,

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he becomes someone that you can use as a salary

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matcher in a trade if you ever decide to take

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a bigger swing. Any other names you'd like to nominate

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before we move on to the next question.

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Speaker 2: I already said Tys Jones, that's all the names I need.

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Speaker 1: What is our next question? More?

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Speaker 2: What do the thunder do with their six ers first

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round draft pick? Please note that ok see owns Phillies

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pick with top six protection, top four protection in twenty

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six twenty seven, What do the Thunder do with their

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six ers first round pick? I use it.

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Speaker 1: I guess so's It's like, are they they don't necessarily

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have the roster spot just to continue adding in all

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these guys. Yeah, but they're also not a team that

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I feel like if they're keeping the sixers pick and

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it's like seven, if it's the top ten, let's say,

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I have a tough time believing that they'll just trade it.

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Speaker 2: I actually just wrote a piece over a Yahoo about

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the Thunders, like the core outside of the Big three,

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whether some names are you know, if you can pencil

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them in for the future. I split it up into

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like short term future and long term future, and the

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short term future was like after Chet and Jalen like reups,

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like that's that's the future the immediate short term, and

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then the long term. There are a couple of guys

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who aren't sure to stick around, like I say, a

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Hardenstein might not be around down the line, Alex Crusoe

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might have to get traded. So and then you're looking

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at Kason Wallace, for example, is he going to be

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so good coming off his rookie rookie deal that you're

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looking at paying him in the late twenties early thirties,

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because you know, I know that he's having a bit

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of a down here this year offensively, but defensively, he's

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right there. He had a great rookie season in terms

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of offense as well. If he bridges that over the

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course of the next two years and he gets a

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bigger and big role and the numbers starts piling up,

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then you have a real conversation there in regards to

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ship with They stick with him, So I don't think

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the thunder are done making draft picks. I know that.

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I think they obviously know that they can save a

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shit ton of money just basically drafting guys, keeping them

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for four years on their rookie deals, and then when

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those deals are up, that's when they had to make

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some tough decisions. But it wouldn't surprise me if they

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basically look at each window in the coming year says, oh, hey,

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four years with a rookie or not rookie, but like

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a rookie contract player earning what like forty to fifty

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percent less of what he should compared to like production.

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I think that's the route they're going. It's a great

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way to save money.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Now you're going to get

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into the point it's right, are you going to start

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moving on from I guess there are some players right

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now that you consider expendable, like maybe moving on from

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Usman Jangs roster spot or big Jaylen Williams, maybe even

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a Kendrick Williams. I did do because I have begun

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my draft prep. I have three names that based off

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the range that their sixers pick would be in, and

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then just kind of trying to look at what the

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thunderneed or how they draft Liam McNeely of Yukon to

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get like a six seven shooter in there, who will

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really get them up.

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Speaker 2: As this question about like who they should pick though,

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because then I just misinterpreted the question.

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Speaker 1: I think it could be both. He could interpret anyway

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you want. I just I went both ways with it.

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I think, my my personal pinions, they will keep it

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if they have the sixers pick, but they could they're

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good enough where something arises in the playoffs and they say,

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oh we need this, then an opportunity bubbles to the

471
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,599
service over the offseason. It's not like a picktation. I

472
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,640
bolted down. Two other names I'd consider con canoople of Duke,

473
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:58,599
like kind of getting another shooter type in there. Can

474
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,160
he I think like positionally on defense they can. Probably

475
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,960
he needs to get stronger, at least in better shape.

476
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,839
He's gonna have athletic limitations. But the Thunder they're just

477
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,359
built to insulate a bunch of different guys. And then

478
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,839
the other one. And I can't tell if this is

479
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,400
a spot on thunder pick or if it's this guy

480
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,480
might be too Julius randall ish for them. But Colin

481
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,680
Murray Boyle of South Carolina potentially a limited shooter. But

482
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,119
if you kind of believe in the shooting and you

483
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:31,039
view his defensive tweenerness like is he a big? Is

484
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:33,480
he a wing? If you view that as versatility and

485
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:37,000
malleability rather than a limitation, that could be someone who's

486
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,880
like sort of an interesting project for them. And he's

487
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,920
shown that he can kind of put the ball on

488
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,519
the deck. Two. So those are just three names early

489
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,240
on set that if they were on the board like

490
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:47,599
seven to ten, which it seems like that's.

491
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Where Johnson though, what's that? No, Trey Johnston.

492
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,039
Speaker 1: Have not dug into Trey just yet.

493
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: No, So this is more of a neat thing for

494
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,640
me because last summer, you know, don't get me wrong,

495
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,960
I don't I didn't hate, I say, a Hartenstein acquisition,

496
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:05,960
but I did think they would go in a different direction.

497
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:08,240
I thought they would go shooter, because that's probably the

498
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,039
one thing if you can. I don't think the Thunder

499
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:15,279
have a particular weakness, but if they had one volume

500
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,079
three point shooting would probably the one to like, look at,

501
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,519
Trey Johnston should definitely solve that. Like, he would be

502
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:23,759
a guy I would be interested in.

503
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Where's he projected to go?

504
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: Uh, top five off tankathon right now though, But.

505
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:32,759
Speaker 1: I didn't even dig into anyone who's in the top

506
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,279
five or six because Philly would be keeping that pick.

507
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:36,799
But obviously that's not a hard and past.

508
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really drop down because he's not he's not

509
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,640
an all around guy. But that's a I honestly think

510
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,400
that might be an asset to the Thunder because you

511
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,079
know how they chose Dylan Jones last year. Obviously you

512
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,119
know at Weaver State, huge.

513
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: Permanent sub Dylan Jones, thank you very much.

514
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,519
Speaker 2: But he was so good and he was all around.

515
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,559
But like those roles don't really like translates to the

516
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,799
same extent at the NBA. I think a guy like

517
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:06,839
Trey Jones will have like a straight line two minutes

518
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,480
when he reaches the NBA, because it's like, no, I

519
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,480
don't really read on a whole bunch, No, I don't

520
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,119
really play make a whole lot. What I do is

521
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,400
I get buggets and I shoot a shit ton from

522
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,799
the outside. That to me just kind of makes sense

523
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,920
for a thunder team that could use a guy like that,

524
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,920
especially if they end up pivoting off of like someone

525
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,359
like I said, Joe for example, who might down the

526
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,960
line prove a little bit too expensive.

527
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,319
Speaker 1: They can also, I don't want to say they can.

528
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,920
I mean they can't afford to be riskier. But Nicolo

529
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,039
Topa is gonna be a rookie next year and they're

530
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,920
very high on him, and so if you're gonna try

531
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240
and integrate him, or you're focused more on him, you

532
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,880
can take a bigger swing with a six or thick

533
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:44,880
and just know like, we're gonna bring them along slowly

534
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,480
so they can do all sorts of things. I think

535
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,240
that they will keep it, And if I was drafting,

536
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:53,039
I probably would look at someone who's either like you

537
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:54,839
said it like kind of the higher volume shooting. I

538
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,240
don't think you're gonna find someone who's maybe they need

539
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,000
other Shock creator, but we don't really know for sure.

540
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Just with you know, all right, Hartenstein might not, might

541
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:03,680
be more temporary, but between Chet and j dubb and

542
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,000
and even Aaron Wiggins, they could be set there.

543
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Our next question, damn it, you just you beat me

544
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,559
to it, like I just because here's the thing, just

545
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:16,799
to wrap up the last one here. If we assume

546
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,279
that heart and Stein is gonna move on after his contract,

547
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
would you actually consider going the route of a big

548
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,400
man with the thunder you.

549
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they could, they could do whatever the hell

550
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,400
they want.

551
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: More No, I was thinking of Kamon Malaus, especially like

552
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,440
for the Duke Center.

553
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,839
Speaker 1: Can he play next to Chet?

554
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: I would think so, yes, then I'd consider it.

555
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: I just it's I would love to know Shock. I'd

556
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,480
love to know where that pick is gonna end up,

557
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,839
because like what if it's and if they don't, I

558
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,759
would argue they're definitely I'll say this, I think they're

559
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,640
more likely to trade it if they keep If they

560
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,599
keep it, if they get it this year rather than

561
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,319
next year, because like next year there's looser protection, and

562
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,759
now you've kind of you've put an like Isaia Heart

563
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,880
psychotechically be a free agent in twenty twenty six because

564
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,599
of that team option. So that'll be interesting to see

565
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,839
if they if you're the thunder, would you prefer to

566
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,119
get it this year or next year? I probably this

567
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,279
year because the Sixers are bad, right, so you know

568
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:14,119
it's going to be in the.

569
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: Tele So you know, from this draft seems to be

570
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:20,920
pretty solid. I do think there are some specific archetypes

571
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,240
that would fit them pretty well.

572
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: Next question, this one comes from NBA casual. Can anyone

573
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,920
step up and make a strong Rookie of the year

574
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,279
case with sub twenty games to go? And I'm assuming

575
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,880
we're just someone other than Stefan Castle or Jalen Wells,

576
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,559
which they seem like the two that are featuring heavily

577
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:44,839
the most. I have three.

578
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: Names, Oh, okay, okay.

579
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: For your consideration. Zachary Resiche number one. He's been shooting

580
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,240
the shit out of the ball, or shooting the hell

581
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,279
out of the ball. He's not shooting like shit since

582
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,680
he came back from injury, and he's been pretty good.

583
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,480
They vote he's opened, he's gotten more minutes since the

584
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480
DeAndre hu trade, which I assume was part of that logic.

585
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,000
I like him as an off ball mover. I think

586
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,119
he's I don't trust him one on one defensively, but

587
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,759
I think he moves around defensively enough. And I do

588
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:14,880
believe a lot of voters might gravitate towards all right,

589
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,640
minutes played and so you're looking at the volume he shouldering,

590
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,680
could end up mattering this is someone it's a put like,

591
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,880
this is definitely a stretch, but he has come on.

592
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,480
Kyle Philipowski is doing things in Utah, especially on the

593
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,960
offensive end, just like basically like putting the ball on

594
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,119
the floor. Better screener than I thought he'd be, and

595
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,720
been able to finish at the basket a little bit

596
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,079
better than I thought he was going to and then

597
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,319
of course the shooting, and finally, I think you can

598
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:40,559
guess where this is going if you're watching on YouTube.

599
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,759
If Donovan Clinton just had more minutes, he might be

600
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:49,039
the rookie of the year. He's already one of the

601
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,319
most impactful rim protectors in the game. Pretty good screener,

602
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,400
definitely limited offensively. You worry about kind of the touch

603
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:57,960
around the basket, but for the things that he's able

604
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,599
to do, just defensively for Poland Trailblazers team again that

605
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,160
is I don't know if you would call them outright good,

606
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,119
but they're contending for a playing spot. I think if

607
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,440
he had more minutes under his belt, he would be

608
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
someone that would get more consideration, right.

609
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: I only agree with one of those names, and that's

610
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:22,319
Lisa Shit, that's it. Basically, I don't think the rest

611
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:27,000
have a chance in hell, and I even still don't

612
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:31,559
really I think this is all down to Castle Lonstly.

613
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,039
I know Wells is a guy who's talked about like

614
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,799
Sam Masini, a man I greatly respect in terms of

615
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:42,000
his draft rep preparation, has Wells as his favorite rookie

616
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,839
of the year pick. I'm not there. I think the

617
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,119
offense is a little bit too streaky, a little bit

618
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,000
too not just inefficient because he's he's more efficient than

619
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:57,680
Castle on the season, but at least Castle asserts himself

620
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,640
in different ways where I think well is a little

621
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,200
bit more too reliant on who else is on the

622
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,519
floor with him. So to me, it's a one man race.

623
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,359
I have Stefan Castle pretty comfortably ahead.

624
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: Honestly, that seems way too dismissive of what John Wells

625
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:15,759
has done for.

626
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,119
Speaker 2: The God I didn't get into the defense, but like

627
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,559
offensively speaking right, but like defensively he's rock solid, but

628
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,039
so is Castle. I kind of think defensively both of

629
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,039
them are pretty equal in that regard. Hell I might

630
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:31,920
even give Castle the not there. I'm not trying to

631
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,039
be dismissive of Wells. I'm definitely not. I think what

632
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:38,200
he's done over the course of this entire season is tremendous.

633
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480
I just don't think he's got the consistency level the

634
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:45,960
volume behind him. I think Castle is carrying a larger

635
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,039
responsibility when he's on the floor. So it's again, love

636
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Jay Wells, huge get for the Grizzlies, absolutely long term

637
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,799
starting wing. Don't have him close to Castle on.

638
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: This There was khalil Ware was the betting favorite at

639
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,119
one point. Zach Dye is the advanced metrics love eating

640
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,960
more than I think probably anyone in the draft class

641
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,559
right now. You don't think that any By the way,

642
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,240
I think it's gonna between Castle and Wells. I want

643
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:15,640
to make that clear. I'm just trying to think of

644
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,519
players that could like emerge is because that third third

645
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:21,559
spot still feels pretty open, Like it looked like it

646
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:23,240
was gonna be a three player race at one point

647
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,839
between McCain, Castle and Wells, But now that McCain's out

648
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,599
of the fold, it's you could just go in like

649
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,599
a ton of different directions.

650
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,119
Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't it be at three?

651
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,599
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a no brainer three. Like I

652
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,400
do sometimes wonder if, like recency bias, it really impacts

653
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:41,839
us here.

654
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I like I do think

655
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:50,519
when it comes to rook of the year, that means

656
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,440
we only have one year to evaluate. So yeah, we

657
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,680
can definitely talk about recency bias, but we also have

658
00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:58,960
to conclude the games even late in the season. If

659
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,960
they're playing well, I mean, we can't ignore that. And

660
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,519
if his efficiency, which you're absolutely right, is coming along nicely,

661
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,679
that sort of matters. I also think he defensively, he's

662
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,239
a bit underrated. I think he's very mistake free. He's

663
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,599
I think if I would rank it, I would go Castle, Wells,

664
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Lisa's shit, and then there'll probably be a pretty huge gap, a.

665
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: Huge gap between that that feels like way too far

666
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,840
for me. With Resa Scha and others. I don't know.

667
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,599
If you're waiting, I guess just like in terms of

668
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,760
minutes played, I don't even know where he ranks in

669
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,320
that now because I know he did miss some time,

670
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,800
but he is, Oh, he's no longer even he's seventh

671
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,679
in total minutes Blake, he's played. He's gonna play over

672
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440
fifteen hundred minutes, which some of these rookies might not.

673
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,760
I just feel like, if you're looking at like, I

674
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,880
don't know, just like even Eves MESI like just say

675
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,480
that the zacharyche right now in world ahead of him.

676
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So again it's it might be because of the

677
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:02,320
restricted nature of you know, is a rim running, defensive

678
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,920
minded center, where I think, you know, that's obviously important.

679
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,119
I'm not trying to diminish what he's done this year.

680
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,760
He's been outstanding, but I do think being a multi

681
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:18,239
purpose wing comes with more areas of expertise orry responsibilities,

682
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,599
and I think, especially in the second half of the season,

683
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,239
Ship has kind of lived up to that. But again,

684
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000
like I'm just gonna reiterate myself, I think the clear

685
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,000
favorite here should be Stefan Castle.

686
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,159
Speaker 1: Take us to our next question, sir.

687
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: Which non Calves Celtics team in the East is most

688
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,840
likely to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. And

689
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,599
the guy who's asked the question is someone we just

690
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,880
shouldn't acknowledge doesn't exist. What the hell?

691
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, who even is Brian? To poor ek? This so I.

692
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:51,559
Speaker 2: Actually beats Pork, I don't even know if his name

693
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,280
is Brian's. That's a pretty big assumption on you. It

694
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,840
could be Bitch to Borick, We don't know.

695
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: I think my answer here is going to be unpopular.

696
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,800
It probably should be the Knicks. I think it's the Pacers.

697
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,519
I think that they have more lineup levers to pull

698
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,800
in playoff series than either the Bucks or the Knicks

699
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920
at this point. Maybe Jayalen Brunson missing time ends up

700
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,760
being a boon just for what he looks like come

701
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:17,280
the postseason. But I know Indy, there's definitely a there's

702
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,800
a very low floor on their defense, and it's probably

703
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,440
the success of it. It's probably more matchup dependent, but

704
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,159
the things that they can technically do with Siakam and

705
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,400
Turner and Nemhard specifically, and now that Knie Smith is back,

706
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,400
I just feel like in a playoff series where you're

707
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,360
gonna have time to more time to study the other team, Uh,

708
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:41,440
the fact that Indy has been what do they like,

709
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:45,440
league average in point slot per possession since February first,

710
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,320
and like they've kind of navigated this. It's an awkward

711
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,360
stretch from what I've seen of them, where they're racking

712
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,840
up losses, but yet they're still picking up wins that

713
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,360
maybe they shouldn't. So I think that just with the

714
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,440
depth and the talent and the versatility of that team,

715
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,960
I trust them to beat the Celtics or Calves more

716
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,920
than any of these other teams, which is all to

717
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,639
say I would be pretty shocked at this point if

718
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,199
we don't have Cave Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals.

719
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,679
Speaker 2: Right. I go back and forth on the Pacers and

720
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,559
the Knicks, but you and I seem to be agreement

721
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,320
that if there is a team out there non Cave Celtics,

722
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,800
it's between those two. You know. I obviously trust the

723
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,159
top tier talent of New York far more than I

724
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,079
do the Pacers. But depth seems to be a recurring

725
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,760
theme for these guys, the Pacers, and they have more

726
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,599
of it. So that's a major boon. Now, would I

727
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,880
feel far more comfortable with the Pacers if tyres Halburton

728
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,000
went back to playing like he did in the first

729
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,000
half of the season last year. Yes, absolutely absolutely. I

730
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,599
still think he's I don't know if he's just saving

731
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:55,599
himself with the playoffs, but you know, when I watch

732
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:57,559
him play now, there's a part of me that's just

733
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,719
kind of waiting endlessly on him turning on the jets

734
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,360
and becoming you know, the version that we saw last year.

735
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: What is it that you're I'm just curious, Yeah, playing

736
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,519
like really well for a few months now, he's.

737
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: Saying, well, it's look, it's it's it's the volume. It's

738
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,719
the volume. Like last season, remember he was averaging twenty

739
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,239
six and twelve, and he was like setting the tone.

740
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,400
I think it led to a lot of other players

741
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,679
on the roster kind of falling in line, you know,

742
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,320
in terms of the hierarchy, to a point where it

743
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,679
was good for them to have these more established roles,

744
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,679
Like I do think now with tyresee, he's a little

745
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,639
bit too hesitant times. He's a little bit too not

746
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,440
reluctant to shoot. I don't want to say reluctant, because

747
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,880
he's not turning down open shots necessarily, but he's also

748
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,920
not forcing the issue as much as he should once

749
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,000
in a while where I think they There have been

750
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,320
games where I've been wondering at the end of them,

751
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960
like what they've had a better chance of actually pulling

752
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,840
out a W if he'd been more assertive. So I

753
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,880
am missing something a little bit more. Can I hate

754
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,800
this word, but aggressive. I'm missing some aggressiveness from him.

755
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,639
I want to see him, you know, at least crack

756
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
seventeen shots per game, like just get up on the volume.

757
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,599
I think he's the best score of the team has.

758
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,559
I think he's the best player of the team has,

759
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,280
and I think they need to utilize it.

760
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: I think that's probably fair. But I do think a

761
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,400
lot of the shot depression from him there could be

762
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,239
some hesitance caked in there. I feel like I don't

763
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,480
see it as much now maybe I haven't seen enough

764
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,159
of him. Would be more so just looking at the

765
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,679
offensive ecosystem of those around him, like the guys who

766
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,320
can eat up shots right now and you have a

767
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,719
healthy mathren nem Hard Siakam. And the other thing too

768
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,079
is sometimes they have to work so hard just to

769
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,800
get him the ball and shots because of how keyten

770
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,320
defenses are on him.

771
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:54,159
Speaker 2: But though that that faults on Carl. They need to

772
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,639
do it, though, because I would rather have and this

773
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,000
is I'm not trying to be harsh on Beneedic mathe

774
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:03,360
In here, but I would rather relinquish like two or

775
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,400
three shots per game from him and and like funnel

776
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,559
that towards Halle if I could. I understand your point though,

777
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,360
that it is so tough for him to get the

778
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,519
ball and actually be put in those places. But you know,

779
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,239
there's also that part of me that just goes, all right,

780
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,599
tough shit. You're a Mexican of guy, you have.

781
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when he's starting possessions, like when he's

782
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,440
bringing the ball up the court, Yeah, there are probably

783
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,559
just situations a bunch of them where he could be

784
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,199
more arrestive. I think that's fair to say. On the

785
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,599
Knicks front, I mean the Bucks that they have Giannis

786
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,519
and Dame, I just I haven't seen that can hit

787
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,239
them like seen them hit like this consistent enough peak

788
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,760
for me to believe in them. And with the Knicks,

789
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,159
I know, the stat going around is that they're third

790
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,880
in points lot per possession since Mitchell Robinson rejoined the lineup.

791
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,960
They're also twenty fifth in points scored per possession. During

792
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,440
that time. I know Jalen bruns And has missed some games,

793
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:56,840
Kat missed a little bit of time there too, But

794
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,840
those are all things because I just don't. I ultimately

795
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,440
feel like the Knicks's best lineup is still going to

796
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,880
lack like either like something major where it's oh, did

797
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,679
they wind up with a real number two score in

798
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,440
a playoff series?

799
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:11,639
Speaker 2: If it?

800
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,519
Speaker 1: Do you trust Towns for Michel Bridges to do that?

801
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,639
Does the math work out in their favor? O they're

802
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,800
taking enough threes? And then if that stuff works out,

803
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:20,719
it almost feels like it has to come at the

804
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,320
expense of the defense, which I don't know, Like I

805
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,079
just don't. I don't know if Mitchell Robinson is to

806
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:29,320
solve there for them, but that's they. I will say

807
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,119
they belong in the discussion, but I think because of

808
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:34,360
the personnel optionality that Indy has, I still tilt towards

809
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,000
them a little bit.

810
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,079
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question about annobe Sure, do

811
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,199
you think given the contract that he's on, given what

812
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,559
the Knicks relinquished to get him everything of that nature,

813
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:51,599
do you think you're getting enough out of him as

814
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,519
currently constructed? Like defensively, I think he's there, But offensively,

815
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,679
do you think you're getting enough out of him?

816
00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I think you're getting, for the most part, as much

817
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,480
much offensively out of O g Anobi as you ever

818
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,480
could have hoped to get. And by that, I mean

819
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,559
like you don't want him doing more stuff off the

820
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:09,880
dribble than he is right now, because sometimes it works out,

821
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,039
but there's not like a ton of feel there, and

822
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,639
so you don't. I think the bigger myss would be

823
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,199
if we look back and say, are you getting enough

824
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,880
offensively out of player X? It winds up being a

825
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,360
town's or h mckel mchel bridge's situation. And like you know,

826
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,800
mchaal hits a game winner against Portland the other night,

827
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,960
and when he gets to like those sort of fading

828
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,360
mid rangers like he can look really good. But there

829
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,079
are also times where it feels like he's the number

830
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,440
five option on the team, and that seems like the

831
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,159
bigger problem.

832
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to clarify, I don't want Annobe to do

833
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,880
more off the bouts, No, not at all. But I

834
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,039
am wondering if there are sets or plays that could

835
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:53,440
be implemented where the target is to get him more threes,

836
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:58,760
because I feel as though the Knicks are not a

837
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,199
strong enough three point shooting team. And given that Josh

838
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,360
Hart is you know, the weakest shooter in the in

839
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,559
the starting five and Mikhale is kind of all over

840
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,760
the map this year with the three ball, you sort

841
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,320
of need that third reliant shooter because I trust Jalen,

842
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,920
I trust Towns obviously, and Nobe is the guy who's

843
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,800
like third in line there of someone who I want

844
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,559
to see take more shots three specifically.

845
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's I'm probably viewing it too much

846
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:33,679
through the lens of I think o Jannobe is maybe

847
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,719
the only player, aside from just knowing who Jalen Brunson is,

848
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,280
that's held up their end of sort of the three

849
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,239
point bargain. Like he's at six point one attempts per

850
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,519
game for the year and he's actually ratcheted that up

851
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,440
over the past you know, month and a half to

852
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,960
over seven and McHale Bridges meanwhile, is dipped below four.

853
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,079
But I think like, if you're looking at players to

854
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,360
take more, I honestly think it needs to start with

855
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,119
Towns or Bridges, And it's like in Towns, exchange of

856
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,559
those drives for just shooting those threes because I look

857
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,920
getting downhill like the Cornley Towns. Like, I understand the appeal.

858
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,079
I understand the appeal Michael getting to the spots, but

859
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:12,960
the math a lot of the times doesn't feel like

860
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
necessarily working out in New York's favor in some of

861
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:20,000
these games. Next question is more from Andreas. If you

862
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,960
were the Rockets, would you rather trade salary plus a

863
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:26,800
young player and two first round picks for Kevin Durant

864
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,159
or salary plus one to two young players and three

865
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,760
to four first round picks for Devin Booker.

866
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we've talked about this before, just in terms

867
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,079
of who, if anyone, the Rocket should go after. And

868
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,199
like I was always against like the Jimmy Butler Kevin

869
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,639
Durantz of the world because I thought they were too old.

870
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,079
I love what they've done in Houston. So Booker seems

871
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,599
to be like the reasonable aged star. Then they go

872
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,920
out and get who will still fit the timeline. Who

873
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,880
you know, you can relinquish some of the young guys

874
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,599
and you can still, you know, retain the vast majority

875
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:06,800
of the core. Yeah, you'd have to give up the

876
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,719
picks I would. I would go Booker because of the

877
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,199
age thing.

878
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,119
Speaker 1: I think it's Booker as well. And I've seen a

879
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:18,480
lot of sort of this hypothetical floating around of well,

880
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:21,519
I'd rather like keep Jalen Green in my three to

881
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,599
four first round picks than have Devin Booker, and there's

882
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,880
there's a real discussion to be had there. But I

883
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,960
do still think despite what we've seen this season in Phoenix,

884
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,760
where I don't believe that this is the best version

885
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,360
of Devin Booker. To me, that's part of the appeal

886
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,559
is that this hasn't been the best version of Devin Booker.

887
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,400
But he's not at an age where you could you

888
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,679
should expect Devin Booker, the top ten or fifteen player,

889
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:47,079
to have sort of dissipated from the discourse. Jalen Green

890
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,039
is still just one of those players who are Sam

891
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,400
Passini said this the other day on their pod, where

892
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,719
it's like he's the king of the last X Games,

893
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,239
split jail, that's Jalen Green, and like that's true. I mean,

894
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,880
maybe they get to the playoffs this year and he's

895
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,079
just lights out and he's an absolute killer. But I

896
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,079
think I lean the Devin Booker route because you're giving

897
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,519
up more picks, but you're like significantly lengthening your window.

898
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:16,239
Where with Kevin Durant, forget about the contract situation. How

899
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,239
many years are you buying yourself too? Like guarantee years.

900
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,960
I mean Kevin Durant's to fied age and injury. Let

901
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,239
me be clear. But that's just I'm always gonna pick,

902
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,960
not always, but in this case, I'm definitely picking. I'm

903
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,320
not a big that you know, the timelines need to

904
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,119
align guy necessarily when it's a team that's in the

905
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,960
rocket situation. But I'm gonna go with the younger booker

906
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,599
in this instance. And also I think he also provides

907
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:42,559
more of what they need when you look at the

908
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,199
half court playmaking. You want to take us to our

909
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,039
next question, is.

910
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,079
Speaker 2: There any player in the league you guys believe can

911
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,840
become a high level role player slash all start if

912
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,280
given more minutes, I have.

913
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: Three my all start pick, to the surprise of no

914
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,400
one would be read Shepherd. I think if he had

915
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,800
more minutes. I'm not saying he would have been an

916
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,920
All Star this year. I think there's a chance if

917
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,800
they let him work through growing pains, like we might

918
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,400
be talking about him in the Rookie of the Year

919
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,320
conversation or the top three, so long term him for sure.

920
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,320
So I tried to like journey off the like these

921
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,039
are players that I really like. This This next one's injured.

922
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,199
He's been out since January fifth with I think it's

923
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:25,639
a toe injury. Aj Mitchell. That man can defend his

924
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,320
ass off. He can get into the lane with the ball.

925
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,199
He's excellent at moving away from the ball, and if

926
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,599
you can trust him to kind of hit stan still threes.

927
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,320
That's like a rotation player on a really good team.

928
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,039
And do you know how we know this? Mort He

929
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:41,239
was in the rotation for the Oklahoma City Thunder. I

930
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,239
know they were dealing with injuries, but that's absurd as

931
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,480
a two way player on the Oklahoma City Thunder and

932
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,039
my final one. He is pictured for those watching on YouTube.

933
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,159
I'm a Bobby Clintman guy. We have not seen much

934
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:57,039
of him this year's rookie year with Detroit. I think

935
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,639
he's shooting like sub twenty eight percent from three. I

936
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,920
do trust that he will provide some stretch eventually. He

937
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,599
can do. He moves really well defensively, and I think

938
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:11,320
he could be disruptive, not just as just like being

939
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,599
all over the place. But this is a dude that

940
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,039
will block jump shots, and so I think that he

941
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,119
can turn into like a real NBA player. So those

942
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:20,920
are like my three levels. As Shepherd is the guy.

943
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,440
If he gets more minutes, I think he's the star.

944
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,079
AJ Mitchell is kind of the star role player guy.

945
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,559
This would be Bobby Clinton would be Oh. I think

946
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:29,320
that he can be an NBA player if he if

947
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,000
he gets minutes.

948
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,079
Speaker 2: He grew up about twenty kilometers for me. So yeah,

949
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:33,960
I support it.

950
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: That's the That's that's why I chose him, obviously.

951
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely, no, that's interesting. Look, I don't have that upside

952
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,320
for Clinton. I like him, but I I hope you're

953
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,519
right because that would put Scandon even more on the

954
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,400
basketball map. So I don't hate it. I absolutely don't don't.

955
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,559
Speaker 1: Why don't you feel that way about him?

956
00:48:56,519 --> 00:49:02,079
Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, I need more data before i'm Secondarily,

957
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,400
he seems like a bit of a I know we

958
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,639
shouldn't use this word in twenty twenty five in the

959
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,920
NBA because when we say sweener that's almost a compliment nowadays.

960
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,400
But I don't know whether his role is something that

961
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,320
is going to be properly streamlined. I don't necessarily trust

962
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,679
a jump shot, yet I hope that it comes along.

963
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,639
He says, what is he like? Twenty one, twenty two?

964
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:23,119
Twenty one?

965
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,679
Speaker 1: Somewhere I think he's twenty one twenty one.

966
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're I'm not at that point where I'm like,

967
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,800
I'm ruling him out, but I don't think I have

968
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:34,880
that upside yet too.

969
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: He's twenty two apparently, so excuse me.

970
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,119
Speaker 2: I look.

971
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,079
Speaker 1: I also I'm just kind of like a sucker for

972
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:42,559
someone who might have some passing feel too. And the

973
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,679
tweeter stuff is interesting because I kind of thought, defensively

974
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,679
if he wasn't so like, it looks like he's really

975
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,280
good on the perimeter, but I wonder how he would

976
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,280
handle against like more athletic wings and forwards, And then

977
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,440
you get into the conversation of, oh, should he technically

978
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:56,880
be a big but he's what is he? Six nine?

979
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,559
That's not really center material. So that's but as someone

980
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,960
who sticks on an NBA roster, that's that's who I'm

981
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,480
going with. That's the I don't think Detroit has a

982
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,880
reason to give him more minutes, but I'd like to

983
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,920
see him get more minutes.

984
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,559
Speaker 2: So one of the names that I would have brought

985
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:17,559
up and it's it's it's interesting because he's starting to

986
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,760
like prove it now. And that's Quintin Grimes. He's a

987
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,199
guy who ever since I started the season for the Mavericks,

988
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,280
I was like, yep, this guy's got another level. He's

989
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,280
living up to that right now. So very happy to

990
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,760
see that. That's a feather in my cap, something that's

991
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,119
not been a feather in my cap. And I'm still

992
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,360
I'm sticking on this island. It's Trenton Watford, damn it,

993
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,719
give me some more Trenton Watford minutes Brooklyn Nets. Here's

994
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,000
the thing, because now I'm gonna actually take a page

995
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,199
off of your book. He can grab and go, he

996
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,039
can pass on the move like there is something there.

997
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,559
There's some on ball juice that I think is interesting.

998
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,519
He also does big man things. He rebounds, he scores inside.

999
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,679
He also shoots from the outside, by the way, so

1000
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,840
that's like it's not just big man things. I would

1001
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,159
be curious to see him in a bigger role or

1002
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,679
on a better team. I'm not saying he's going to

1003
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,840
be like an All Star, but I do think he

1004
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,639
could become a high level role player. I think there's

1005
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:19,400
some juice there.

1006
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,679
Speaker 1: He's probably first team All eye Test, and then the

1007
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,599
numbers almost never match up with it, like he's for sure,

1008
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,679
Like he's for sure that time. Because I'm with you,

1009
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,599
I like Trendon Watford too. I also will say he

1010
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,079
should not be in this discussion. And it's only his

1011
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,079
first year, so you shouldn't necessarily be selling stock. I

1012
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,639
will remain a believer in Cody Williams for at least

1013
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:41,039
the next year or two.

1014
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,119
Speaker 2: So I actually have one that's really really sicko.

1015
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,199
Speaker 1: Is it more get more sicko than Bobby Clintman?

1016
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,519
Speaker 2: That's the real Yeah, I think so, Marshaun Bochamp, it's not.

1017
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,320
Is he even in the NBA right now?

1018
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: Didn't did the Clippers waive him? I can't remember. I don't.

1019
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,639
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't remember if he's even on a

1020
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,760
roster right now. I don't think the walk it gave

1021
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,800
him a fair shake. I think he's got an NBA

1022
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,960
ready body. I think he's got NBA athleticism.

1023
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,159
Speaker 1: A two way for the next I do.

1024
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,519
Speaker 2: I yeah, I forgot about that. I think his I

1025
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:21,639
don't think his jump shot is I actually think his

1026
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,840
jumper is kind of pretty and symmetrical. I think there's

1027
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,000
something there. I would love to see him, but like

1028
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,920
go to a team and get a substantial role. The

1029
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:36,400
problem with the challenge is he's what twenty I've already

1030
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:43,119
h twenty four, twenty four, Okay, like it's up there,

1031
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,679
right so, but it's just if that's the same with

1032
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,760
Trenton Wott for two, like twenty four, it's like you're

1033
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,000
on that, You're on that age like where it's like, oh,

1034
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,599
it's getting dicey. It has to be within the like

1035
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:59,119
the next like eighteen months, and if it doesn't shake out,

1036
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,760
that's that's all she wrote, right So, But I actually

1037
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:04,719
am still a believer in Marsha and Poachin.

1038
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,679
Speaker 1: This is another name too that I considered. He's getting

1039
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
like he gets some minutes, but his role has been

1040
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,440
so inconsistent, and I think he would I think he

1041
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:17,400
can really help like an actually good basketball team, Vic Crachie.

1042
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:19,719
It's just like someone that I think should be if

1043
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,480
he like, if he's on your team, give him the

1044
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:25,320
consistent and he's getting that like in his most recent run,

1045
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,599
but like give him the consistent twenty plus minutes per game.

1046
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,639
I think he sort of helps you and I will

1047
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:35,840
say the way that Eric Collins announces him. I'm inclined

1048
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,760
to just say Damian Ba in Charlotte. It's just like

1049
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,559
a name that I should believe in is becoming that

1050
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,280
he gets Eric Collins, I need him to narrate my life.

1051
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,559
Man just hypes me up no matter who he's talking about,

1052
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,679
and add some flavor to Charlotte Hornet's basketball, which at

1053
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,840
this point is tough to do. Anybody else you'd like

1054
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,599
to nominate before we.

1055
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: Move on, I think we're good.

1056
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:58,599
Speaker 1: Next up, who was the superior former Sixers mascot? Big

1057
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,719
Shot or hip hop? That comes from the lotus.

1058
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:05,079
Speaker 2: That hip hop? Come on? Of course it's hip hop?

1059
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,119
What are we doing here?

1060
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,159
Speaker 1: It's just was big Shot named after Chauncey Billips, head

1061
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:12,400
coach of the Detroit Pistons.

1062
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,679
Speaker 2: I don't know, but Big Sean's wearing a fucking diaper.

1063
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,760
I'm not with that. Hip hop was like the Allan

1064
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,960
Irison era backy clothing, like leaned up against the identity

1065
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,960
of their superstar. It's hip hop, man.

1066
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,679
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think aesthetically I agree with you for shure.

1067
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,639
Speaker 2: He's a bunny though, because he's himming and hopping shore

1068
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,480
but like, that's he looks like.

1069
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: Have you seen any of like the Blink on eighty

1070
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,800
two cover albums that have the drug Bunny on it?

1071
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,679
That's what that's what hip hop looks like. Is if

1072
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,440
he's wearing sunglasses. To me, look, I would hear.

1073
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,559
Speaker 2: You that hip hop is cleaning up in the clubs.

1074
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,519
Speaker 1: Most important question we've received so far. Thank you for that,

1075
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,119
but hello, what's this next question?

1076
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,079
Speaker 2: More? What's your issue with the Kate Cunningham Most Improved

1077
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:11,559
Player case? Mort Denmark is your future state OnlyFans sixty

1078
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:15,199
nine xoxo. That's great, that's a fantastic question. All right.

1079
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,880
My issue is not with Kate Cunningham in particular, because

1080
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,840
I love Kate Cunningham. My issue is that the Most

1081
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:29,239
Improved Player award has become the next Star Award instead,

1082
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,119
Like Kate Cunningham averaged twenty two point seven points last

1083
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,000
year and seven and a half assists. I'm sorry, Like,

1084
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:41,599
when you're averaging roughly twenty three to eight, I just

1085
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,960
cannot in good conscience look at that as an MIP

1086
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,679
player the year after Because the MIP Award used to

1087
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,440
be given to guys who kind of came out of nowhere.

1088
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,000
So I'm in favor of splitting the award, like you

1089
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:01,599
can have your Jam Moran types and Kate Cunningham's and

1090
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:04,079
then just call it the Next Star Award, but give

1091
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,400
me the most Improved Player Award to like Christian Brown.

1092
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,599
Like I on the NBA podcast, I had this thing

1093
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,440
with Brian for years where I had a criteria myself.

1094
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:19,360
I said, no lottery picks and no second year guys,

1095
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,719
like if a guy had been a lottery pick, no,

1096
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,119
this for me disqualified with the notion, of course, that

1097
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,920
if Anthony Bennett suddenly comes back into the league and

1098
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,880
starts averaging eighteen and eight, yeah, I'm gonna waive that

1099
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:36,400
rule for that year because that's that's in the spirit

1100
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,119
of the award, where it's it's a surprise, it's something nice,

1101
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:43,039
it's something that came out of left field, Like I

1102
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:46,559
didn't I didn't know. Nobody knew that Christian Brown would

1103
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:49,800
be dis efficient, Like did you know that he'd be

1104
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,239
shooting in the mid fifties all year long? I didn't know, Like,

1105
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,679
did you know he'd be that consistent all year long?

1106
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,239
I didn't know. I think that is in the spirit

1107
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,000
of the award, So I have no issue with Kate

1108
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:04,199
cunning him. I have the issue of the award being

1109
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,079
a you know, estaplished star popularity contest.

1110
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: My first instinct is to say that it feels like

1111
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,480
unfair to say that because you were a lottery pick,

1112
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:16,519
you can't be the most improved player in the NBA.

1113
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:19,599
But I've gone back and forth on the second year

1114
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,599
criteria because I say you're supposed to make a huge

1115
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,280
jump from year one to year two, you're kind of

1116
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:28,480
expounding upon that and applying it to the entire lottery.

1117
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:29,960
So I think it would make me a hypocrite to

1118
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:35,239
dismiss it. I think it's absolutely possible for bigger names

1119
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,440
to be the most improved players in the NBA. I like,

1120
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,400
and I don't know that disqualifying people because they're support

1121
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,920
like year one to year two feels different because that's

1122
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,840
it's not just oh, you're supposed to get better, that's

1123
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,199
when you would make the mega leap. But like, are

1124
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,480
you how do you differentiate between Like Christian Brown is

1125
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,480
a good example because he's not working off this sort

1126
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:01,079
of non existent or low baseline, whereas Ti Jerome as

1127
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:04,000
an example who's received some love here too. Yeah, just

1128
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,119
compared to his former self, he's one of the most

1129
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,079
improved players in the NBA. Right, how do you differentiate

1130
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:14,320
between opportunity and actual improvement for you then? And why

1131
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:19,119
does that differentiation then just qualify someone like Kid cunning

1132
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,000
Like I'm not saying Kay cunninghamserifically this season, but someone

1133
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,039
who's in Kid's Cunningham spot, where he's already an established

1134
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:26,760
name or was drafted with a high pick.

1135
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: I hear you. So here's the thing. If you're given

1136
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,079
more minutes and you're given a bigger role, I don't

1137
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,880
think we can sit there and assume that the player

1138
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:38,199
was just as talented the year before, because we have

1139
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,280
to make the assumption that the player would probably have

1140
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,199
played otherwise if he'd been that good. Now, is that

1141
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,239
flawed logic? Because there are stupid coaches out there who

1142
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:51,559
won't play certain players. Absolutely, But we're not privy to that.

1143
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:55,079
Like we're not privy to what goes on in the

1144
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,760
locker room. We have no idea if ty Jerome was

1145
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,360
actually ready to play at that level last year. We

1146
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,079
have no clue. The only thing we can go off

1147
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,639
is the data we're given year to year. So while

1148
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,880
I hear you on the you know, given more of

1149
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:13,239
an opportunity, more minutes, you know, bigger role. We can't

1150
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,639
sit there and say, oh, this guy was just as

1151
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:18,119
good last year. We just we cannot say it if

1152
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:20,440
we didn't see it, because then we're just kind of guessing.

1153
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
I'm not saying that Kate isn't improved. I'm not saying

1154
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,199
that jam Moran back in the day wasn't improved. But

1155
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,840
what I'm saying is that when you're giving these like

1156
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,760
when you want to give this award to guys who

1157
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,719
were like, you know, a formal Rookie of the Year

1158
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,360
or you know, put in Kate's case, like top three

1159
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:40,000
Rookie of the Year voter, it's like no, Like I'm sorry,

1160
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,320
but being drafted high comes with a certain level of expectation.

1161
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,800
If you also win the freaking Rookie of the Year, yeah,

1162
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,199
you're sort of solidified. Like again, we're gonna assume you're

1163
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,480
gonna get better in year two, year three, moving onwards,

1164
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:55,039
and there's just you know what it is, Dan, I'm

1165
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,360
gonna just gonna boil town to something else. And this

1166
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,360
is very unlike me because I'm a I'm a hold

1167
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:04,639
bastard I'm a robot, but this is about feelings. This

1168
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,519
is about seeing a nice story as well. This is

1169
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,119
very much also narrative driven, and we can call it

1170
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:14,559
something else if we want to, like stick the label

1171
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:18,239
with the most improved to Kate and John. Those guys fine,

1172
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,199
But there needs to be an award that encapsulates the

1173
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:29,119
feeling of seeing someone take this dramatic leap that we

1174
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,639
can celebrate that where we can say, oh, this guy

1175
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,079
sort of came out of nothing, or he sort of

1176
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:39,360
came out of left field. He defied expectations. Like Kate

1177
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,719
Cunningham right now is not defying expectations for me. He

1178
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:47,679
is realizing his potential as I figured he would, as

1179
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,079
did millions of other NBA fans. Christian Brown is a surprise.

1180
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,679
Tied to Rome is a surprise. Dyson Daniels is a surprise.

1181
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,320
Those guys I feel are far more deserving in the

1182
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,880
spirit of the award then guys who we already know

1183
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:09,320
are good and who will get plenty of awards or

1184
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,320
All Star Games or whatever. So I feel like that

1185
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,880
award deserves to go to someone who isn't going to

1186
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,880
be handed medals and awards for years on end.

1187
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: I think that makes some sense. It would be and

1188
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,360
I'm always a like defined criteria would be nice because

1189
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,960
then it makes it easier to pick from the pool

1190
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,280
of players, and right now it's sort of undefined. So

1191
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,199
when the year that Larry marketed won it and it

1192
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,920
was between him and SGA, you were a Larry Marketing guy,

1193
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,960
then I was not.

1194
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: No. I mean again, a former lottery pick. He'd done

1195
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,320
pretty well for the Bulls before that. He had a

1196
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,519
year where he was averaging like nineteen to nine, so

1197
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:50,159
I was very much against that. I thought that was ridiculous.

1198
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,519
Speaker 1: So you thought both him and SGA being involved in

1199
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:53,440
it was ridiculous.

1200
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,719
Speaker 2: So I have to remember the SGA year specifically. That

1201
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,719
was the year he came off of the nineteen point

1202
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,239
year in Okay, see you right, I believe.

1203
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,559
Speaker 1: So I'll double check though.

1204
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: Because at that point, again it was a known commodity.

1205
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,760
I think all of us were like, oh, this dude

1206
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,719
is really good, this dude is like right up there.

1207
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:18,920
So again it had to be yeah, I guess in

1208
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:19,519
that instance.

1209
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:23,519
Speaker 1: Though, what's interesting is this is someone who so twenty

1210
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:25,280
twenty two, twenty twenty three is the year I'm talking

1211
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,880
about where he went from twenty four and a half

1212
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,440
points per game the year before and then was over thirty.

1213
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,000
This is someone who went from being like an All

1214
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,960
Star or a fringe All Star to entering the MVP discussion.

1215
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: Right then call it and make another award that's called

1216
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:43,960
the Next Star Award for that for that type of

1217
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:45,360
that would.

1218
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,079
Speaker 1: Be fair, like that would be then you just have

1219
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:48,800
two separate winners. I think that would be but as

1220
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:50,719
but as long as it's set up this way, I

1221
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,840
feel that it would be unfair to exclude those types

1222
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,039
of jumps because I think you can make the case

1223
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,719
that going from what Christian Brown did and maybe even

1224
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:04,719
the way you're looking at it like you're rewarding their improvement,

1225
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,320
You're like in net where it's like you're looking at

1226
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,920
from when he was a rookie to now, so you're

1227
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,480
looking at most improved like during a span.

1228
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,519
Speaker 2: Whereas absolutely year to year for sure, don't worry that

1229
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:20,840
year to year.

1230
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: Let's say Christian Brown last year to this year, Like

1231
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,280
that's a really tough leap to make, and he deserves

1232
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,400
most improved player consideration. But it couldn't you argue that

1233
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,400
if you're already at such a high level. Making the

1234
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:34,119
leap to that even higher from All Star to m

1235
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,280
VP candidate is the harder leap to make. So as

1236
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,519
as it's defined now or set up now, shouldn't that

1237
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,199
then be considered. I know you're not for it, but like,

1238
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:46,039
just given the lay of the land at this moment

1239
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:46,880
is where I.

1240
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,719
Speaker 2: Understand what you're saying. I think for me, I'm kind

1241
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:53,599
of baking that in. You know, like Shae for example,

1242
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,199
I think it's a good example of that. Like Shaye

1243
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:02,440
was since his rookie See's and honestly, for people who

1244
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,960
paid attention to the Clippers that year, and there weren't

1245
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,159
a lot of people who did, so, it was pretty

1246
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:10,800
clear that this guy was an insane fun.

1247
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: To Bays Harris and Neil gallinaries.

1248
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people would disagree with you,

1249
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:19,039
but yes, I for for usos it was fun when

1250
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:21,320
he made it to Okay see even that first year

1251
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,239
when he was like at nineteen point that was with

1252
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:27,320
Schroeder and CP three. I believe right that was like

1253
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:27,840
the trio.

1254
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: It was pretty evident, Yeah, was the Bubble Trio the.

1255
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: Bub I think it was pretty evident that all right,

1256
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:39,599
there's a future all star here, like pretty substantially, you

1257
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:42,960
know a guy who would would absolutely rise in the rings.

1258
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,800
I understand your point of like going from All Star

1259
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:53,880
to MVP. I get that, but again then it's another tier.

1260
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,280
It's a different case because it just becomes so elitist

1261
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:00,960
if we only look at it through that prison him. Again,

1262
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:05,320
there has to be and a place for role players

1263
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,159
to get some shine on the national scene. In regards

1264
01:05:09,199 --> 01:05:12,599
to awards, I don't give a flying fuck if you

1265
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:15,519
then call the most improved player like the next like

1266
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,119
if you hand that to the next Star and then

1267
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:22,360
you give another moniker to like the Christian Brown, Dyson

1268
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,239
Danielschot Tide Robes of the world, I don't give a fuck.

1269
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,039
I just think those guys who come sort of out

1270
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:30,960
of left field deserve their shine, and I think right now,

1271
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:33,760
the most Improved Player award is the best way to

1272
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:34,119
do that.

1273
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,639
Speaker 1: Who's your most improved player? Where do you land on

1274
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:40,360
the lake career stuff? Like Norm Powell before he was

1275
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:41,800
he's going to be ineligible.

1276
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: So it's interesting with Norm right because he did something

1277
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,519
that we haven't seen before in terms of the volume.

1278
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:52,199
We have seen him be you very good before, like

1279
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,960
He's had years of averaging nineteen points per game eighteen

1280
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:59,199
and a half points per game, so we know that

1281
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,960
he's had the talent to be there before. But given

1282
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:05,519
his particular leap and the fact that he could remain

1283
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:10,480
so efficient considering, you know that the Clippers weren't exactly

1284
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:14,000
expected to be a great offense. Not that they're like,

1285
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,400
but you know what I mean. So I think he's

1286
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,920
certainly up there. My biggest gribe is when guys come

1287
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,719
back from injury, it's like where it should be, like

1288
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,159
the Comeback Player of the Year.

1289
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:26,639
Speaker 1: We should have. That would be a fun award too.

1290
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,679
Speaker 2: I would be a fun award. I would, but that's fun,

1291
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,880
Like I don't want Like, remember when grand Hill came

1292
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,039
back after a year off and he was getting MIP consideration, Like,

1293
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:39,679
what the fuck are we doing? Grand Hill who was

1294
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,000
like a superstar averaging twenty five points per game in

1295
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:46,679
his last year in Detroit, like all NBA first team,

1296
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,599
like Michael Jordan Air before he went down with injuries,

1297
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,840
and you're like, oh, most improved player, What the fuck? Man?

1298
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,559
That was the dumbest shit ever. You didn't get it, fortunately,

1299
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:58,960
So but that like that one, I'm very much against

1300
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,719
you should have a comeback player for the your award

1301
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,320
that should basically named the Grand Hill Award for what

1302
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,119
he did because those injuries were gone awful.

1303
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you shift your stance if it was something wholesale?

1304
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,840
And by this I mean I'm trying to what would

1305
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,599
be a good example. Let's just say like next year

1306
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,320
Zion wins Defensive Player of the Year doing something like that.

1307
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:24,480
Do you think that fits? Like, oh, he's Zion Williamson,

1308
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,199
but he was never expected to be this and he

1309
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,159
just became the best defensive player in the end, Like,

1310
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:31,480
how do you wait that I'm being I'm just playing

1311
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:32,199
Devil's advocate.

1312
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: I'm not That's that's interesting. Okay. I will say this

1313
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:39,800
if Sion Williamson or someone of his ilk, someone tre

1314
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:45,159
Young makes all defense next because Zion has improved defensively.

1315
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,559
Speaker 1: That's what and he he has in theory the tools. Yeah,

1316
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,840
and Trey Young has gotten better defensively, but nowhere near

1317
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:51,119
all defense level.

1318
01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Okay, So who's actually like, let's actually find

1319
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:56,800
the worst defender in the NBA, Like, who is that?

1320
01:07:57,559 --> 01:07:58,280
Is that? Trey Young?

1321
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: I think you can probably like, who's the most picked

1322
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,519
on defender in the NBA. But like, I don't there's

1323
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:06,159
just pick a bad defender. I don't like the worst

1324
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:09,880
defender in the NBA is such a subjective like that's whatever.

1325
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 2: All right, okay, but if Trey Young, but like, if

1326
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,600
Trey Young comes back next year, wins Defensive Player of

1327
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,239
the Year and he becomes I don't even know that's

1328
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:24,159
going to materialize.

1329
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: So we could do this like it would be but

1330
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,479
this is like, that's a player who fits the bill.

1331
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,560
So I'll go by dumpson threes defensive EPM. Just like,

1332
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,920
who's the big name that ranks the lowest? Because the

1333
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,399
worst defender by the air metric is Corey Kissburg. But

1334
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,880
he's someone who in theory could win Defensive Player of

1335
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,439
the Year by your criteria. Uh, there's not like a

1336
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,239
ton of big names.

1337
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 2: You mean most improved player by Mike.

1338
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,039
Speaker 1: So I get like, so Jalen Green he's the lowest,

1339
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:56,159
like of like of a big name. There we go, yes,

1340
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,880
all right, he's an all defense level defender next year.

1341
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:01,319
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he if he wins Defensive Player of

1342
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,279
the Year, that's that's right here. If Jane Green suddenly

1343
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:07,520
interests next year or it comes in next year and

1344
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,840
he averages like three steals per game at block. That's

1345
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,760
just the raw stats because you have to back that up.

1346
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,680
And his defensive influence is ridiculous, like he's switching everything

1347
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,479
and he's just like hounding guys understanding, like you know,

1348
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,279
kyp fully, like he's just he's he's got this esp

1349
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,239
on the basketball court. Yes, all right, I'll bet my

1350
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,159
fucking rules, Okay, shifted.

1351
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,319
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know where the line was.

1352
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 2: We found it. That's where we are, Like again, like

1353
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:40,000
that's that's where we are. That's where we are. That's

1354
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:43,800
it would have to be such a wild situation for me,

1355
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:46,520
Like you know who I picked going into this year,

1356
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,560
Trenton Watford, and I have egg on my face, which

1357
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,479
is fair enough, but at least I'm sticking to the

1358
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,960
guys who I think is in the spirit of the award.

1359
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:57,159
And by the way, I was so fucking close on

1360
01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:59,840
Christian Wood back in the day, who I called before this.

1361
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:05,079
I also called Jalen Johnson before last season, so close.

1362
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,359
I've got a pretty good track record with these guys.

1363
01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:11,239
Speaker 1: My most improved player has been a disaster ever since

1364
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:14,039
I picked Precious to Chewa coming in a few years ago.

1365
01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:17,159
Fits the spirit of your award though, and he actually improved,

1366
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:19,800
which he did not. Let's get to this next question.

1367
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:24,199
It comes from Andreas another kind of Pistons focused one

1368
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:28,720
three straight Detroit or Pistons ones. Should Detroit stay patient

1369
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:31,520
with their core or should they trade for a genuine

1370
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,760
number two this offseason?

1371
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:35,319
Speaker 2: Are we sure they don't have a genuine number two?

1372
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:38,039
We just haven't seen Jade and Ivy more than thirty

1373
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:38,720
games this year.

1374
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,319
Speaker 1: Well, I think that would fall under the patients.

1375
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, sure, But like the word genuine implies

1376
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,079
that they don't have a number two, right.

1377
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I don't know where the land on

1378
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:53,680
j and Ivy. I know a lot of Pistons fans

1379
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,640
are think that you should kind of throw out his

1380
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,079
rookie year because of Moni Williams, and then now we're

1381
01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:00,720
gonna have to throw out another year because of his injury.

1382
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:02,640
I just don't know where the line is on that

1383
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:05,239
I would probably do something. So I want to make

1384
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:07,760
it clear I'm not going all in to go get

1385
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,800
a number two. Where we mentioned remember we mentioned Zion

1386
01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:14,279
as like a like a as a Detroit Pistons trade option.

1387
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,960
Just throwing ideas around. I would probably try, and this

1388
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,880
is such a cop out, straddle that middle ground to

1389
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,600
where it's can I get somebody who might fit the

1390
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,520
bill of a stop gap number two while we figure

1391
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,079
it out with whether it's Jay and Ivy or if

1392
01:11:29,079 --> 01:11:31,560
you think it's Ron Holland or Asar Thompson for some reason,

1393
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:34,880
like CJ. McCollum would be a good example. Can you

1394
01:11:35,079 --> 01:11:41,279
just get him for nothing but like outgoing money? All right,

1395
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,359
I'm just I'm just throwing a name out there where

1396
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:45,600
it's you want, like I mean, especially with I mean

1397
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,680
Malik Beasley and Tim Hardaway Junior are free agents and

1398
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,840
they're both not going to be back getting someone who's

1399
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,359
better at creating off the dribble and theory conceptually, at

1400
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,640
least CJ. McCollum, like just doing something like that where it's, oh,

1401
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,399
I'll make a trade for someone who could be a

1402
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,079
stop gap number two, but I'm not trading future first

1403
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:01,640
round picks.

1404
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense, that makes sense. Yeah, I probably

1405
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,319
do that. Not CJ specifically, you know, doesn't fit the

1406
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:11,319
timeline either to too expensive too, Like I just don't

1407
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,239
I don't see the point really in getting a guy

1408
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:16,520
like that in there and taking away shots from guys

1409
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:17,159
who he.

1410
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:20,239
Speaker 1: Doesn't take that. He doesn't take away shots though, because

1411
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,239
he fits into larger ecosystems.

1412
01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: We've seen that in New Orlands shots away from Jayden.

1413
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 1: Why if if Jaden's the one operating on ball or

1414
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,560
you're running you, I guess if you're your concern is

1415
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,159
just are they gonna be inclined to run CJ independent

1416
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:36,359
of Kid more so than Jayden at that point or something.

1417
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,600
So I just don't view I mean, especially this year

1418
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,039
in Detroit, I don't know how you could look at

1419
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:43,279
the like the players they've played and think that some

1420
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:46,560
of the veterans are going to infringe upon development. Would

1421
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,760
I guess just be my stance.

1422
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,279
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I'm looking at guys, so first and

1423
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:53,279
foremost Kate is putting up twenty shots per game. I'm

1424
01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:57,359
assuming that we're gonna see improvements also to Duran, to

1425
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,720
Ron holland like there are also Tooms for example, Like

1426
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,800
I'm going to assume that those guys are gonna get

1427
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,119
big roles, Like if CJ comes in and it's sort

1428
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:11,000
of like playing off of all those sure, as long

1429
01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:13,720
as it's not everyone else playing off of CJ. Yeah,

1430
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:14,399
I'm cool with it.

1431
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: I would say, though, what the Pistons have done this year,

1432
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,279
I think it like invites patients because I think one

1433
01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:22,920
of the worst things.

1434
01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:27,279
Speaker 2: What's that most improved team? Yeah?

1435
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: They I mean they are the most improved team. But

1436
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,520
I also think you see some teams get in this

1437
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,079
situation and they they over index. I'm trying to win

1438
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,520
even more now, and progression is just not linear. So

1439
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,840
I would like if we had to pick, if this

1440
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,680
is binary of it, it has to be you trade

1441
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,800
for a number two or you wait. I'm like without

1442
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,199
doing anything. I'm waiting without doing anything because I think

1443
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:50,840
that in the long run, if it doesn't work out,

1444
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,159
is less damaging than the former.

1445
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: Is that how we give Kaid a most improved award

1446
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,800
just by making a most improved team award?

1447
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:01,520
Speaker 1: Well, you should all thought, because there's actually a question

1448
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,000
on something like that coming up. What's our next question?

1449
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: More any thoughts on Shack's recent comments about the Pistons

1450
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:13,000
being boring and getting both their record and head coach wrong. Well,

1451
01:14:13,079 --> 01:14:15,960
my thoughts would probably require that I hire a lawyer first, So.

1452
01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean it has to be tiresome. There's just no

1453
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,640
I don't. I don't even know what normal fan I'm like,

1454
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,880
and I don't maybe I don't follow MLB or NFL

1455
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,319
or n HL closely enough to just be like, actually

1456
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:34,439
has to care about the people who are covering the

1457
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,960
sport actively hating the sport on these major platforms like

1458
01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:41,920
this shouldn't even have to be a question, honestly, like

1459
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,359
if we and if you thought it was a bit,

1460
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,439
but like even if it's a bit, it's tired, and

1461
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,439
so my thoughts on it is that it's just not cool.

1462
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,920
I'm not saying they have to hero worship the game,

1463
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:55,640
but like actually cover it, actually watch it, know who's

1464
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,760
like at least don't pretend to not know who the

1465
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,399
coach of the Pistons is because it's just like you're

1466
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,800
supposed to be an authority on this and it's it's honestly,

1467
01:15:05,359 --> 01:15:07,479
it's embarrassing, and it's just so I don't know what

1468
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,840
it is about the NBA, and maybe it just is

1469
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,760
the coverage, but where fans are have to sit through

1470
01:15:13,319 --> 01:15:16,479
you and I talk about ratings and is the game

1471
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,600
covered properly enough? And does one of the broadcast partners

1472
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,119
with primary employees like of the studio show know who's

1473
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:25,760
coaching a team that they're supposed to be watching. Do

1474
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,079
they consider certain teams boring even though they're good. I

1475
01:15:29,279 --> 01:15:32,439
just it's it should be embarrassing. And I don't know,

1476
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,880
I do view like the TNT and even I mean,

1477
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,920
I don't view Espan as entertainment, but like when you're

1478
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,960
looking at the TNT guys they are trying to enter,

1479
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:44,720
there's like a showmanships there that's on purpose where sometimes

1480
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,479
it feels like they're in on the joke. But stuff

1481
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,319
like this that's not like if it ever was funny,

1482
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:53,239
it's not funny anymore. And if it's authentic to where

1483
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:56,119
you don't know that doesn't have to know their exact record,

1484
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,560
but to not even like to think that Chauncey Billups

1485
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,640
is coaching them, like my god, and to sit through

1486
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,680
the podcast of not just forget about former players even

1487
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,479
who are gonna be conditioned to think their error was better,

1488
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,600
I'm sure, but like the current players who will like

1489
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,079
say things along those lines are just like dismissed teams

1490
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,680
like okay, se hasn't done it yet, or pretending I

1491
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,119
know things, or just say even if you think there's

1492
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:23,039
too many threes to just go into it and say

1493
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,720
the three point shot has ruined the game and uses

1494
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,800
a blanket statement without providing like any additional like context

1495
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,560
or reasoning behind it. I just don't. I don't are

1496
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,000
any other is any other sports coverage or consumption like this?

1497
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:38,920
And I guess you and I are complicit in making

1498
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,520
it like this because we're responding to it. I don't know.

1499
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,760
It's just it's so wacky to me.

1500
01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:48,079
Speaker 2: You just did the PG version of what I wanted

1501
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:50,359
to say, which is why I made the lawyer joke initially,

1502
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:55,920
because I cannot talk about this unless I or rather

1503
01:16:56,359 --> 01:17:01,199
without getting enraged. That's where I am. This is one

1504
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:03,399
of those things that just strikes me at the I

1505
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,399
need to shut up because I can sense that rage

1506
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,720
building inside of me. You basically said everything that needed

1507
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,039
to be said. I shouldn't add my two cents because

1508
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:12,199
I'm going to say something that I'm gonna regret. I

1509
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,560
I but just know that everything you just said I'm fully,

1510
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:16,720
fully in agreement.

1511
01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: The next question comes from Matti L. This is a

1512
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,920
run of three questions just for you. You're entering the

1513
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,840
pressure cooker. Okay, I'm the current Bulls fan name your

1514
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:25,960
all time starting five.

1515
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a current Bulls fan.

1516
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,319
Speaker 1: Name your Bulls all time starting five.

1517
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: Umm, Joe Qiem Noah, Well all right, we have to go. Yeah,

1518
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:44,199
so Joe Kim Noah for sure? Who's the four. That's

1519
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:48,960
a good question, Todd Gibson, that those two had in

1520
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:58,720
fantastic chemistry. Yeah, it's no, it's it's probably Dennis was

1521
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,239
in the light later prime, of the latter stages of

1522
01:18:01,319 --> 01:18:04,760
his prime. I'm actually gonna say, Horace, I think Patrick,

1523
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,439
I know, I know obviously, Scotty at the three, Mike

1524
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:17,239
at the two, I don't know. Derek. The spacing issues

1525
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:21,159
there are just gonna be grotesque. Lonzo Ball at the one,

1526
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:26,760
the thirty five game version of Lonzo Ball that we

1527
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:32,039
got before his injury. Absolutely, now I see. I think

1528
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,760
at the point you need someone who's like a playmaker

1529
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,439
and who's like a shooter. But the posters just don't

1530
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,479
have shooters, like is it, Kirk Heinrich.

1531
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: I think all time starting fives, I feel like are

1532
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,399
often built in the vein of not caring about fit,

1533
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,600
in which if it's.

1534
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 2: If it's only tail, yeah, I gotta I gotta go. Derek,

1535
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,560
then even though, I'm yeah, I have some reservations about

1536
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,119
that guy.

1537
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: From Matti L Name your favorite Bulls front office of

1538
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:02,199
all time.

1539
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I mean, Jerry Krause has to

1540
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:12,760
be the one because he ultimately helped build the championship teams.

1541
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:18,680
It's definitely not guard Packs, It's definitely not ak so

1542
01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:24,079
like by default, Jerry his team. Finally, God, what are

1543
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:24,760
we doing here?

1544
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 1: There's a different structure. There's different structures that you can

1545
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,680
try to get your championship. There are two or three

1546
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,880
star players and a lot of role players, or you

1547
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,319
can build it as not nine or ten very good players.

1548
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,640
I think now we're leaning towards having a lot of

1549
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,039
solid good players nine or ten. My question is how

1550
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:48,159
many of the current Bulls players would, if the statement

1551
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:50,039
was true, be a part of that team.

1552
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:53,079
Speaker 2: Oh see, now, okay, that's actually a very good question.

1553
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,880
That could be a podcast in and of itself. Obviously,

1554
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,439
he's alluding to what our chorist Cardne Show was sent,

1555
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,640
which was can we just talk about that for a second?

1556
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,279
How dumb was that? How dumb was hold on?

1557
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,039
Speaker 1: Which thing that he said?

1558
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,239
Speaker 2: Oh the ten good places? You didn't see this after

1559
01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:11,000
the traded line.

1560
01:20:12,079 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: No I did. I saw the thing about him not

1561
01:20:14,079 --> 01:20:17,079
knowing what, which basically we have the concepts of a plan.

1562
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: That was I saw that one of the things. So

1563
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:22,520
he kind of elaborated what he said was that he

1564
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,840
actually thought you could win a championship with nine or

1565
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,840
ten very good players without them being stars necessarily. Like

1566
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,960
he basically described a lesser version of the two thousand

1567
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,680
and four Detroit Pistons as a means of we can

1568
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,880
win with nine or ten good players, which is obviously

1569
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,119
acidine because in recent history showed me a team that's

1570
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:47,479
one without a superstar, right, Like, that's just not a thing.

1571
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,920
So that's that's the thing that Maddie Ella is referencing,

1572
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:56,880
which is just egregeous, like management and an egregious perspective

1573
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:02,479
from a manager. So nine or ten good players, well.

1574
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,359
Speaker 1: Let's come we can we can reframe it to how

1575
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,239
many current Bowls players could be a part of the

1576
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,800
like the top eight of a championship rotation championship.

1577
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Kobe White, I guess as a

1578
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:17,920
six man on a good team, I think that I

1579
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,520
would buy that, right, Yeah, for sure?

1580
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:23,239
Speaker 1: What about ioh.

1581
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 2: Top eight? He'd be eight. Okay, if anything, and that's

1582
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,720
top seven, hass to be slapping?

1583
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: What about Londo?

1584
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:42,319
Speaker 2: I want like the thirty five gamer a couple of

1585
01:21:42,359 --> 01:21:45,840
years ago. Sure, the current version? Nah?

1586
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: Maddy did say current? Okay? What all right?

1587
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 2: This is?

1588
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,079
Speaker 1: This might be a tough one. What about Julian Phillips.

1589
01:21:54,279 --> 01:21:57,359
Speaker 2: I actually like Julian Phillips. He surprised me a little

1590
01:21:57,359 --> 01:22:00,640
bit this year. But no, no, not not the current

1591
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,880
Julian Phillips. Julian Phillips in like three years. Maybe we

1592
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:04,760
have a conversation.

1593
01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 1: So you're not prepared to like Vooch or Herd or like,

1594
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,560
you're only prepared to guarantee that Kobe White could be

1595
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:10,079
a top eight.

1596
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,119
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1597
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,279
Speaker 1: I might throw Io in there, but I might kind

1598
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:16,239
of smitten by Io, so I recognize.

1599
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: Like I said, I like I would be eighth, but

1600
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,239
like distant eighth, right, like the guy you bring in

1601
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:25,319
after you have gone tips on everyone and playing like

1602
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:28,680
your top seven guys forty plus minutes.

1603
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: Then I mean, I guess the way. But this might

1604
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,239
be unfair because Cleveland's like the pinnacle of depth. But

1605
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:35,640
it's like if Io was on the Cavaliers, would he play.

1606
01:22:38,199 --> 01:22:40,279
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Would he I don't know.

1607
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 1: He would for sure play in Boston, Okay, so he

1608
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,960
found a way to give aj Mitchell minutes. He'd probably playing. Okay,

1609
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:48,479
see so he played.

1610
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,279
Speaker 2: You're right, he'd playing in Boston. I don't know what

1611
01:22:50,359 --> 01:22:51,600
the hell's up with honestly.

1612
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,239
Speaker 1: To be fair, Io would play on the Nuggets, he'd

1613
01:22:54,279 --> 01:22:56,680
play on the Knicks, he'd play on the Bucks. So like,

1614
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,319
if you go through the second tierenders like he would,

1615
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:00,359
that's fair.

1616
01:23:00,359 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's sen Kobe White and Io. That's those

1617
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,279
are probably the two ones that I I'd So.

1618
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: If we gave you the over under of two and

1619
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:09,600
a half, you'd take the under.

1620
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:14,159
Speaker 2: I would, yes, all right. Notice, however, by the way

1621
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:17,279
that Josh Ginty did not feature, I just don't.

1622
01:23:17,279 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: I mean he to be fair, he played like some

1623
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,199
of his better basketball of his career. But I think

1624
01:23:22,279 --> 01:23:25,000
thunder fans recently, I mean, I think thunder fans have

1625
01:23:25,079 --> 01:23:28,319
to be watching that like Bulls fans or Bulls media

1626
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:30,359
talking about it and sort of like, oh first time.

1627
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,279
Speaker 2: Like let's just good.

1628
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: Look he's peaking at the right time for his next contract.

1629
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,119
So I mean, kudos to his wallet. I guess. I guess, yes,

1630
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,640
all right, more this one you can read it.

1631
01:23:44,319 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: I feel like it'd be fun to award more team

1632
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,000
level stuff in the regular season, like best O, d Stocks,

1633
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:52,760
most improve et cetera. Not that it stand for much

1634
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:56,800
in real life, just a curiosity mactin for folks to

1635
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:02,119
want to learn about how cool shit it is growth chain, drivers, tactics,

1636
01:24:02,199 --> 01:24:05,640
coorse gelling or blossoming together, fans to take pride in

1637
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,920
something anything besides the title from think shink.

1638
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,079
Speaker 1: That was when you were talking about most Improved Team award.

1639
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:14,159
This is the question alluding to I would hate that,

1640
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:14,720
Like I.

1641
01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 2: Generally more awards, especially team oriented awards. I love that,

1642
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,600
Like if we also apply it to like coaching staffs

1643
01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:26,920
and managerial teams, like you know, instead of Executive the

1644
01:24:27,079 --> 01:24:30,760
Year or coach of the year, coaching staff of the

1645
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,159
year or maybe not maybe not even replace it, just

1646
01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:36,600
add to it, or managerial team of the year, like

1647
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:37,680
front office of the year.

1648
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,319
Speaker 1: That's a front office of the year. That should be

1649
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:41,800
executive of the year. If you're only looking at it

1650
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,560
as like a one person thing, I'm not saying you do.

1651
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,560
But that's not a one person thing. So I like

1652
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,000
the idea of most improved team. But even if you

1653
01:24:50,039 --> 01:24:53,720
did that or most surprising team like pleasantly surprising team,

1654
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,359
it'd be funny if they had a most Disappointing Team award.

1655
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: I would love that. I would love that you should

1656
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:04,039
call the Feenix Suns Award. Yes, my one.

1657
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: Concern, and it's not so much a concern. I just

1658
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,479
wonder if we had a most surprising or most improved team,

1659
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,479
what do you think would be the correlation between that

1660
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,039
team and then Coach of the Year, Because doesn't it

1661
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:17,199
feel like a lot of the times, like Coach of

1662
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:18,800
the Year goes to that team.

1663
01:25:19,279 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: It does. Yes, that's a very good point, Like we'd

1664
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,399
have to differentiate somehow.

1665
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know, like, but I would be

1666
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:28,960
all for like some type of a team where I

1667
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,279
think most improved team is kind of the the easiest

1668
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:33,439
way to go. Best offense and defense kind of feels.

1669
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,000
I know we have scoring title and stuff, but that

1670
01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:37,960
feels just a little too easy. Where it's okay, this

1671
01:25:38,079 --> 01:25:40,399
team was first in offensive rating, they had the best.

1672
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 2: It's just super specific, like the best team in stocks

1673
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:47,079
just as an that's a sickle award for sure. I'm

1674
01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:50,000
not sure the broader public would even understand it. Stock

1675
01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:52,319
what the best Stock team of the year? What the fuck?

1676
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:57,079
Speaker 1: Maybe like the most Aggressive Defense award or something. Yeah,

1677
01:25:57,079 --> 01:25:59,279
where it's like it's a it's a subset of a

1678
01:25:59,359 --> 01:26:02,600
larger categor like the best shooting team and then like

1679
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,039
the like the most aggressive defensive team or something.

1680
01:26:05,079 --> 01:26:07,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm honestly I'm all for it. And

1681
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:10,159
here's the thing we talk about wanting to add these awards.

1682
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:14,880
I fucking forget who wins the day after. So it's

1683
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,880
like it's not even something that I'm like remembering, but

1684
01:26:18,039 --> 01:26:19,760
I just think it'd be fun in the moment.

1685
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: It's hashtag content for in the moment. Yeah, I'm with

1686
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,520
you on that one. Our next question, Oh, it's a

1687
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:30,560
super important one from Lucas Kaplan. What's the best cheesecake topping? Oh,

1688
01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:34,199
I will let you know there's a backstory here. I

1689
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:37,760
have a friend and she owns a dessert shop near me,

1690
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,720
and she doesn't have cheesecakes on her menu, and I'll

1691
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,319
never I won't even name drop the store on this

1692
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:45,159
podcast in case people try to order stuff and she

1693
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:47,039
gets mad at me because she has like a pretty

1694
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:51,319
big social media following. She makes me custom cheesecakes, Like

1695
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,359
I come up with flavors and she'll make me custom cheesecakes.

1696
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,840
The best one I've ever had is she makes me

1697
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,079
a cinnamon bun cheesecake that is so good. So I

1698
01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:05,520
would say that like cinnamon bun filling as a topping.

1699
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,920
Or she's also made me cookie dough cheesecake and then

1700
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,279
she'll put cookie dough balls on top of the cheesecake

1701
01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:15,079
in addition to like baking in or infusing it with

1702
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:15,720
cookie dough.

1703
01:27:16,079 --> 01:27:20,119
Speaker 2: So what's what's the Yeah, what do you call the crumble? Like?

1704
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:20,560
What is that?

1705
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: Is that?

1706
01:27:21,119 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: Is that from like crackers? Or is it like sponge cake?

1707
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:25,399
Like what's the bottom?

1708
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,520
Speaker 1: The bottom of which one? Like any of the cakes?

1709
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: What does she uses space for the cheesecake? Does she

1710
01:27:32,039 --> 01:27:35,800
use like crumple or like you know, cracker crumples or

1711
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,800
like sponge cake or like what what does she use?

1712
01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 1: And for the crust? Is that what you're saying?

1713
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, crust?

1714
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 1: I think that's like like crumbs, like or like the

1715
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,279
like Graham cracker type stuff, or sometimes it's oreos or

1716
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:50,560
like the crust. Yeah, oh nice, So it's like a

1717
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,399
cookie crust would be the best I think is the

1718
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,159
best way. I'm not I'm not a like a dessert

1719
01:27:55,239 --> 01:27:57,159
tear like a dessert expert. I just know what I

1720
01:27:57,279 --> 01:27:57,680
like to eat.

1721
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 2: So so my wife is a big cheesecake a ficionado

1722
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,680
as well, and she like, if I buy one ever

1723
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:10,000
that's like, you know, pre made, She's just like, I'm

1724
01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:12,920
not gonna eat any of that. Fuck that, Like she

1725
01:28:13,039 --> 01:28:16,039
wants to make her own. And she came up with

1726
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,560
because look the one you just presented, it sounds delicious,

1727
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,600
sounds a little too sweet for my taste, Like I

1728
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,479
love something again, I'm Scandinavian. We eat liquorices and all that,

1729
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,640
like we look like something that's not like too too

1730
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:31,800
like sweet on sweet.

1731
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want my desserts because I don't have desserts often.

1732
01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:37,640
I want my desserts to be on pedes.

1733
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,199
Speaker 2: Right, And that's totally fair. So my wife made one

1734
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,600
with like I don't even know what you call it

1735
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,880
in English. It's not a gel, but it was it's

1736
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,079
like a mang I'm gonna call it gel even though

1737
01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:53,319
it's not like a mango gel on top.

1738
01:28:54,359 --> 01:28:56,520
Speaker 1: And like a jelly is that where you're.

1739
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: Not even a jelly is I'm kind of I don't like,

1740
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,479
I'm never spoken about pastries in to this extended English,

1741
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,520
so I don't have the woods for it, Like I

1742
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:09,840
just flat out don't know. But that was still is

1743
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,319
shoes and it wasn't like she she didn't use like

1744
01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:17,279
store bought mangio pure ors like she bought mango. She

1745
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:20,000
did the whole things herself. Like she's really good at

1746
01:29:20,039 --> 01:29:22,560
making cakes. I've shown this on social media as well.

1747
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:27,279
She's made like like cars like cake, you know, out

1748
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:29,880
of cake and whatnot to to to our kids and whatnot.

1749
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:34,279
She's great. That's the best cheesecake I've ever had, Like that,

1750
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,640
you know, the mangl thing where she added just the

1751
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,720
right amount of like lemon juice for like the savory

1752
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,039
a little bit what do you call that, like the nuts,

1753
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,800
the sourness of it, and then just the right amount

1754
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,640
of shorts balance it. And it was great. It was great.

1755
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,199
Like that's that was to me, is the best cheesecake topic,

1756
01:29:55,279 --> 01:29:58,319
Like if you do the mangle thing right to each.

1757
01:29:58,279 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: Their own, but get fruit all the way from I dessert.

1758
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,279
Really I'm just not I'm like not that again, I

1759
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:05,720
guess because I don't have it enough off, So I

1760
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,760
really want to feel like I'm doing something wrong right

1761
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,000
Maybe is that like mentally is what it is. I

1762
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:14,840
will also say, perhaps the most underrated topping is cookie butter,

1763
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,479
like a cookie butter frosting and like covering around the cheesecakes.

1764
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:22,800
She's made me before to die for. Okay again, deck

1765
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,600
it in as hell, but it's to die for, and

1766
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:28,239
I'll nominate. You have to do this yourself. Is you

1767
01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:32,399
put the cheesecake, the entire throat in a bowl, then

1768
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,359
go get chocolate chip cookies, heat them up and throw

1769
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,159
them onto the cheesecake and that's the best. That's another

1770
01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:39,039
good cheesecake tops.

1771
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 2: Oh damn, that's diabetes in the cake. Okay, cool?

1772
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: Yes, but if you only do it once in a while, yeah,

1773
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,000
it's diabetes in a cup but less often?

1774
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,039
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, for sure. I mean look that that

1775
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:57,520
is fine. You yet I fuck with that, Like I

1776
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,880
will say with the fruit thing to each of their own.

1777
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:05,560
For sure, if I get like a fruits sort of

1778
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,199
like a fruit based asert, which could be like a

1779
01:31:08,279 --> 01:31:10,960
bunch of different fruits cut up and then with a

1780
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,960
little bit of whipped cream on it, and where the

1781
01:31:13,039 --> 01:31:17,079
fruit combination makes sense that to me is better than cake,

1782
01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:21,319
ice cream, cookies, chocolate, whatever like that gave me something

1783
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,039
that's fruit based, and I'm there, man, you.

1784
01:31:24,079 --> 01:31:25,520
Speaker 1: Know what I think it is. I've never been like

1785
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,039
a bit I like watermelon, I like grape, so I've

1786
01:31:28,079 --> 01:31:30,039
never been like a big fruit person. Like I'm not

1787
01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:32,840
a strawberries guy or a cherries guy. I've had good

1788
01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:37,000
like I had these. They were these like cupcake cheesecakes,

1789
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,279
so they were just cheesecakes, many many cheesecakes, and they

1790
01:31:39,279 --> 01:31:41,239
were blueberry and strawberry, and I think there might have

1791
01:31:41,279 --> 01:31:43,680
been like some BlackBerry and they were good. But I

1792
01:31:44,079 --> 01:31:46,479
fuck with vegetables before fruit, and like, you're not gonna

1793
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,319
find vegetables and dessert at least I don't.

1794
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,520
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, you have that for dinner though. That's

1795
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,000
the thing, right, you have all the veggies for dinner,

1796
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:56,159
and then you kind of you know you've done your

1797
01:31:56,279 --> 01:31:58,600
job there and then it's off to the fruit.

1798
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: In theory s. But the reason I take greens, which

1799
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,920
I know is a supplement and doesn't substitute, but it

1800
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,319
has like servings of fruit and vegetables in it. I'm

1801
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:09,039
so bad, like I have to remember to have like

1802
01:32:09,119 --> 01:32:11,680
if it's broccoli or green beans or lettuce or something like,

1803
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:14,920
I prefer green, like actual greens vegetables. I'm just not

1804
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,600
good about like cooking them myself. So but I've never

1805
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:19,359
been a big fruit person and that might be why

1806
01:32:19,399 --> 01:32:21,399
I'm not like a fruit on dessert person in.

1807
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,119
Speaker 2: Terms of veggies. By the way, this is not we've

1808
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:26,039
gone completely off.

1809
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:28,199
Speaker 1: People are gonna be mad they don't want small talk

1810
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:29,560
on podcasts because we're not.

1811
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,119
Speaker 2: It's true, Josh Everley, thank you for just putting us

1812
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:35,880
on blast like that. Thank you, sir.

1813
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,159
Speaker 1: No, we don't have to twenty minutes of small talk.

1814
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:42,239
It's like five and we talk time stamp it.

1815
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,199
Speaker 2: So you're well, you should know we're actually friends with Josh.

1816
01:32:46,399 --> 01:32:50,079
So this is friendly fire. But like, yeah, I I

1817
01:32:50,279 --> 01:32:53,159
I can't. I just I'm just gonna ignore what he

1818
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:56,000
said about that. Can I ask you a question about

1819
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,039
brocoli though, because here's the thing, there's a lot of people,

1820
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,600
there's a lot there are a lot of people that

1821
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,079
hate on broccoli. To me, that's one of the most

1822
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:07,479
delicious veggies out there.

1823
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: It's honestly, and you know what, it's one of the

1824
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:12,720
we talk about scaleability. Let's let's bring it back. We

1825
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:16,800
talk about scalability with NBA players. Broccoli scales to all.

1826
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,640
Like if I like carrots, I like them cold, I

1827
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,039
don't like them warm. Like I'll eat raw broccoli, I'll

1828
01:33:22,079 --> 01:33:25,560
eat steamed broccoli. I'll eat like pan fried broccoli. I'll

1829
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,079
eat all. I'll eat broccoli with stuff on it, I'll

1830
01:33:28,119 --> 01:33:31,800
eat it plain broccoli. I funck with broccoli for sure.

1831
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:34,199
Speaker 2: I can't do the raw. I can't do that. That's

1832
01:33:34,279 --> 01:33:36,560
really yeah, I don't know what it is. It's that's

1833
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:37,640
too big of a crunch.

1834
01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: Like I like, even with green beans, I'll eat like

1835
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:42,920
cold green beans work for me too.

1836
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 2: Oh nice, Yeah, I mean look, I so, I I like,

1837
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,000
I can I can do the crunch. If they've been

1838
01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:51,039
in the oven because it's a different country, they've kind

1839
01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:52,960
of been softened by the heat as well a little bit,

1840
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,640
but like it's still it's still got a little bit

1841
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,319
of a crunch to it. Like that's cool. Yeah, especially

1842
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,920
with pepri and and like freshly chrimed pepper as well.

1843
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,800
Like that's then it's it's good not.

1844
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 1: Only think about it. I'm actually not big on like

1845
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,880
warm vegetables overall, but like string beans, green beans, whatever

1846
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,039
you call them, plus like broccoli, like those I'll eat

1847
01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:16,680
warm or cold for the most part. That I prefer,

1848
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,560
like the celery, cucumbers, cold carrots type do you like?

1849
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:20,800
I don't like my veggies cooked.

1850
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:25,239
Speaker 2: I was the same way until actually recently because I

1851
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:29,680
started putting like carrots in the oven and started spicing

1852
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:34,800
them up with like chili and I'm forgetting what it was,

1853
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:41,000
lemon pepper, lemon pepper and that was lovely. And then

1854
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:45,039
of course olive oil oil on top, right to give

1855
01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:47,079
it a little bit of a vege butter and some

1856
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:50,720
crisco and no, no, no, no, just a little bit

1857
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,560
of olive oil. That's it. That's not hey, that's not unhealthy.

1858
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But I I I'm staying away from salt. I'm trying

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to put everything on you know, veggies. That's that's not

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like a lot of spice, that to me is like

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vet you and good like what do you call it that? Condiments?

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What do you call it?

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Speaker 1: Like condiments? Dressing?

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Speaker 2: That stuff that's dressing. That's not what it is, like Jesus,

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just by yeah, seasoning spices.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, before we get out of here,

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there is relatability with the cheesecake in the NBA. There

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was apparently a big story. I didn't read it when

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I was looking around, like for a picture to use

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on this part of the podcast. Apparently NBA players as

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of twenty eighteen nineteen loved the cheesecake Factory. I don't.

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I don't know why. So if you read that piece,

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let us know why.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do know that NBA guys also loved

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Chipotle and were willing to live with diarrhea.

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Speaker 1: Well, that can go hand in hand with some of

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your food choices.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just saying that's the thing that has to

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be good. Like I look, I have occasionally visited Chipotle myself.

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I've never experienced that part of it, but like to

1881
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imagine having that type of experience as an NBA player

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and just deciding, fuck it, it's worth it. Let's go back.

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Speaker 1: See I didn't see the diarrhea thing, but like Chipotle

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and even like a what's like the other big one?

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I'm forgetting Chipotle. What's the other big Mexican chain here?

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Not Cabo Fresh?

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Speaker 2: What was that Taco Bell?

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Speaker 1: Not Taco Bell?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Like like Moe's. I don't know how national that, but

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when you go to the like the Mexican cuisine, it

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is easier to eat cleaner if you're not going to

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douse it. Now, if you get like all the topics

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that it's like, will douse this in caso and like

1895
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for some people might just be simple like oh, veggies, meat, rice,

1896
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move on. Mm hmm. That's why that's why I think

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so many people do love like the Chipotle type stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we make it our own because we don't have

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a Chipotle here in Denmark. And I actually reached out

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to him at one point and they gave me an

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answer where he said we would look we'd look into

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it because Denmark is like a huge Mexican eating place,

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like weise.

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Speaker 1: You should open one yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, that would be. I don't have time, Dan,

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I'm running my only fans.

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Speaker 1: Oh could be to only fans of you franchising Chipotle.

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Speaker 2: Yes, dear Chipottele, I have an interesting.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to anyone who made it through this entire question. More,

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are you able to tell our listeners, subscribers, watchers where

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they can find you and all your fantastic work?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do, And before I do, though, because we

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just talked about food. If you go to HelloFresh dot

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links to Yahoo Sports, to Forbes, to my podcast on

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the NBA Podcast, as well as my Danish one buzzer

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beater if you're of course speaking Danish.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, shout out to Frank

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Nailatina