WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:06.919 Night side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:09.759 So thanks to all the callers who joined us on 3 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:11.880 the SO scurity issue. And I'll tell you that tomorrow 4 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:14.880 I will have Jim Roosevelt on Boston Attorney and also 5 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:19.120 the grandson of Franklin Roosevelt. We'll talk about so scurity 6 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:26.039 tomorrow night. Now, I am very supportive of the Trump 7 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:33.799 administration's efforts to get gangland gang members and terrorist members 8 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:40.039 of MS thirteen, members of the Venezuelan gang, who they've 9 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.200 now sent at least a couple of flights, one to 10 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:45.679 Al Salvador and at least a couple of flights back 11 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:51.280 to Venezuela. I am certainly interested in pulling criminals off 12 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:55.159 the streets of the country. And I know that there 13 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:57.359 will be some friends of mine in the ACLU who 14 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.000 will disagree with me, and who will say that every 15 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.000 he has a trial, everybody should have due process. And 16 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:06.319 I think that if you have come here illegally and 17 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:10.079 you remember of a gang, or if you're someone who 18 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:14.680 has been convicted of a crime, get him out of 19 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:17.280 the country, make them serve their time, and then get 20 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:22.159 them out of the country. However, I don't understand, and 21 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:26.280 maybe someone can explain it to me why the Trump 22 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:35.599 administration has decided to do some of these arrests in public. 23 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:39.359 There's one that has taken place here in Medford, Massachusetts, 24 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:43.560 at Tufts. A woman who's here from Turkey as thirty 25 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.120 year old. She's some sort of a graduate student dealing 26 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.680 with it seems like a relatively non controversial situation. She 27 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:55.200 has apparently co edited or co written a piece that 28 00:01:55.359 --> 00:02:00.920 was supportive of Hamas. I am appalled that anyone would 29 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:05.040 support Hamas in any way, shape or form. However, she 30 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:09.039 had a visa, she was here legally, the visa was 31 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.479 terminated and she was arrested on the streets by about 32 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:17.520 five or six plane clothes ice officers. It's not a 33 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:23.400 good look. It is something that basically, I think becomes 34 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:31.280 visually so disconcerting that even people who support like me, 35 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:37.840 the deportation of gang members, the trend di Agua Gang 36 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:46.879 MS thirteen and others are a little well, I wouldn't 37 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.159 say upset, but I'm certainly somewhat quizzical. The other thing 38 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.240 is that I want to mention is that many of 39 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:59.639 these people who have been arrested taken into custody and 40 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:04.520 moved Louisiana. There's not much information other than she she 41 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:09.759 wrote a piece supporting Hamas. I mean, uh, there's no 42 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:14.639 one who is more pro Israel as far as I know. Then, 43 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:16.479 I I don't see how you can be much more 44 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.599 pro Israel than I am. But if she's here legally 45 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:23.360 on a visa, uh and she decides to write a 46 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.400 pro hamas h editorial. Uh And if you want to 47 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.599 look at at whenever the visa expires and make it 48 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:36.639 make a decision upon that. Those sort of actions administratively, 49 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:40.319 I'm okay with that, But I'm not okay with suspending, 50 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.240 terminating the visa and arresting them on the streets because 51 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:49.000 I think it's counterproductive and I think it gives ammunition 52 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:54.120 to the other side. Uh And and just because I 53 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:59.719 agree with or I disagree with the the arrest of 54 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:05.319 the graduate student. There's a professor from Brown, a medical 55 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:09.080 professor who was sent back to Lebanon because she had 56 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:13.840 attended Alma's funeral. I want to know the specifics, Okay, 57 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:19.240 I don't want to If we're going to terminate visas 58 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:23.639 which we extended, I want to know there has to 59 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:27.040 be a modicum of due process for that, and I 60 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:29.839 didn't see any modicum of due process. Now I know 61 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.199 somebody going to disagree, Bring it on. I think there's 62 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:38.600 a distinct difference between a member of a known terrorist 63 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:44.079 organization such as Trendi Agua or MS thirteen and someone 64 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.560 who's here on a visa legally who has a different 65 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:50.639 point of view than I do have that I have 66 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.759 Onjmas or the government has on Hamas. Let me go 67 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.279 next to Undan in San Francisco. Hey, Dan, it's been 68 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.720 a while. Welcome back. How are you good? 69 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.360 Dan? Thanks very much for taking my call. And this 70 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.000 is gonna be one of those nights where you and 71 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:09.000 I agree completely about what's going on. 72 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.560 Okay, I agree with you that. 73 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:19.240 The arrest of that particular student, Ramesa oz Turk in 74 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:25.199 Somerville was visually disconcerting, and I believe it is counterproductive, 75 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.439 and I do believe that it makes America look bad. 76 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:31.959 Do you let me ask you this, Do you agree 77 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.720 with me? I don't have a problem what they did 78 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:37.959 with Trent Ragua. And by the way, if in that 79 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:45.040 mass arrest there were any individuals who were picked up incorrectly, 80 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:51.240 I want them returned here. Okay, yes, you know, and 81 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:56.040 I think that the that when you have a mass 82 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.839 arrest like that and a mass deportation, the potential for 83 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.759 mistake occurs. The fact that someone was a Venezuelan soccer 84 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.360 player doesn't necessarily mean they're not a member of trent 85 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:11.319 Do Agua, by the way, but if they are not 86 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.639 a member of trent to Agua or an active member, 87 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:16.759 they should be allowed to return here. And I mean 88 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:18.680 they were talking about some guy who was a gay 89 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.519 barber or somewhere in California. He could still be a 90 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:23.920 member of trend to Agua. That doesn't But if the 91 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.279 person is living here, working as a barber or as 92 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.639 a soccer player or whatever, and they have no association 93 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.319 with the gang, bring him back. 94 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.800 And I agree with you on that too. And as 95 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:45.519 you mentioned, the student, missus Oster, was not a gang 96 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:50.079 member and she was not a terrorist. She's actually a 97 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:55.600 doctoral student and what she's studying is a child study 98 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.519 in human development at Tuff's University, and she's here on 99 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.160 a full write scholarship, and she had a valid F 100 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.399 one student visa. And the the op ed that she 101 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:10.800 wrote in the newspaper for Tufts was written a year ago. Okay, 102 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.199 so now all of a sudden she's targeted. And I 103 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.560 also want to point out that in her op ed, 104 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.759 she did not support Hamas and she did not support terrorism. 105 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.879 All she was saying she was talking about the university 106 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:30.279 divesting some of its endowment from Israeli companies, and she 107 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.839 talked about the Palestinians who are getting killed in the 108 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:35.920 war and gods of the Palestinian civilians. 109 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:41.000 Yeahs, I will disagree with that. That's the the b 110 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:47.360 d I I believe boycott divest uh the movement or 111 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.680 the BDS. Is it TI or b d I or BDS. 112 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:51.720 That I. 113 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.360 Know is she didn't support Hamas and she didn't support terrorism. 114 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:01.439 And yes, I will do agree with her on the 115 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.040 idea of boycotting Israel. I'll disagree with her on anything 116 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.439 that you know, Palestinians being killed. I'm sad that there 117 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.519 were Palestinians being killed, but guess what, the Israelis have 118 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:15.839 to defend themselves. So I will debate her on all 119 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.519 of those topics. But at the same time, I come 120 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:21.160 down to the final the place you are, and that 121 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:25.600 is that it is counterproductive when you have people like 122 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:27.759 that swopped up on the street. It is just not 123 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.959 a good look, that's all. That's that's where I'm coming from. 124 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:34.039 And it was filmed, right and just to let you know, 125 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.080 I mean, I think you know, but what the audience 126 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.240 to know that the people who arrested her were wearing 127 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.679 playing clothes, they were wearing masks. Most of they didn't 128 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.519 identify themselves to her, and they handcuffed. 129 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.360 Well, they did know they they I couldn't tell what. 130 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:53.320 Here's what I think happened. She was targeted, okay, And 131 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:57.080 I think that there were some cars that were parked 132 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:01.240 in this area of the school, whether it was on 133 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:04.039 the school campus or whether it was just off campus. 134 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:09.039 And I think there was someone in an apartment who 135 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.440 noticed the cars and they put one and one together 136 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.480 and they had their video cam and and they happened 137 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.840 to have That's why it wasn't videotaped by the government. 138 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:27.960 It was videotaped by another person, probably a student. But 139 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:29.679 there was a point in time where you could see 140 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.240 where they took their badges out, so she knew that 141 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.799 she was not being kidnapped, not that that was any 142 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.039 consolation in her, but there was an effort they showed. 143 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:40.799 I saw one of them show what look to me 144 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:44.440 like a badge. It wasn't like they were coming up 145 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.120 to her without showing any identification and they were taking 146 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:50.799 the badges. The badges were down inside their sweatshirts or 147 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:53.639 whatever their their their outer clothing was, and then you 148 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:55.919 take the badge out and you hang it so it 149 00:09:55.960 --> 00:10:00.320 can be seen. You know. So that's still at one 150 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.480 point that I wanted to disagree with you on. 151 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.919 Okay, okay, okay, But I don't know why they didn't 152 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:09.559 have uniforms on right. I mean, imagine if you were 153 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.480 surrounded by six people and they pull out something that 154 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:14.679 could be a badge, and maybe maybe not a badge. 155 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.000 They didn't look like law enforcement. 156 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.480 Well, if they were sitting in cars with you, they 157 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.639 were sitting, if they were sitting at cars, and if 158 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.879 they were sitting in the cars with uniforms, and their 159 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.559 goal was to apprehend this woman, or if their goal 160 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.399 was to apprehend a more dangerous person, sitting in cars 161 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:38.840 with uniform probably would be counter productive, don't you think, Well. 162 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.919 Let's look at her. She's a thirty year old woman 163 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.000 who's a PhD student. 164 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.600 You know, I can't look I'm with you on that 165 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:46.559 at all. 166 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:51.399 But I have. My point is that that she shouldn't 167 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:55.200 have been had her visa pulled, and if the visa 168 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:57.960 was there, she shouldn't have been was she still shouldn't 169 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.279 have been arrested. Whether they were in uniform. Look, ICE 170 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:04.879 agents are not the most popular group of people here 171 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:08.440 in in Medford, Massachusetts, as I'm sure you know, so 172 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.559 you know they they probably were doing what they felt 173 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.519 that they had to do for their own safety as well. 174 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.559 In my opinion, I mean, there are people out there 175 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:19.000 who are now saying, there's a guy on TikTok today 176 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:22.000 saying when you see an ICE agent, shoot him. 177 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:23.879 No, No, that's crazy talk. 178 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.279 Of course it's crazy talking. But if you're an ICE 179 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.519 agent and you're there to apprehend someone, and you've been 180 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.159 given an assignment, and you say do I have to 181 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.759 wear a uniform? If they say no, we want you 182 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:38.080 to go playing clothes, you will, I think that's that's 183 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:41.200 a criticism that's somewhat peripheral at the moment in terms 184 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:42.960 of the major point. 185 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:46.559 Yeah, I'll accept that, all right, Great, I do want 186 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.200 to say, if I may, is that really I mean, 187 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.639 it's making us look xenophobic, it's making us look authoritarian. 188 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.440 It's making us look hypocritical in terms of not respecting 189 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.799 freedom of speech and due process and the rule of law. 190 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.559 And it's it's just antagonizing our allies around the world 191 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.840 when Trump really should be paying attention to getting prices down. 192 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.519 That's what he ran on, that's what he was elected on, 193 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:17.159 and it's it's not all of this uh, sweeping up 194 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:18.519 people and harassment. 195 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.360 But but you are okay with getting the terrorist out 196 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.840 of the country. I hope we're in agreement on that. 197 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.159 Yeah, yes, yeah, okay, but this is going too far. 198 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.039 I good enough. Okay, we're on the We're on the 199 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.840 same page. We're on the same page. Okay, thank you much, 200 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:36.879 thank you very much. Thanks, Okay, thanks San Francisco, one 201 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.759 of my great callers from San Francisco. Okay, thanks, thank you. 202 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.200 Bye bye, all right, bye bye. The bar is not 203 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.360 that high. We'll take a quick break if you'd like 204 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.000 to join the conversation. If you agree or disagree, feel free. 205 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.440 Six one, seven, two, five four to ten thirty six 206 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.799 one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. This is one 207 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.519 you know. Look, I understand the goal and the fact 208 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.879 that there are people self deporting. That's a good thing. 209 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.639 As well in my opinion. Okay, but just as we 210 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:09.440 criticized the deportation of the Mexican the family, the mom 211 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.799 and dad who were illegals, their ten year old daughter 212 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:15.759 dealing with brain cancer and she was stopped on the 213 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.960 way to a hospital and then they were deported. That's 214 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:21.679 not America. Come on, guys, let's uh. You know, I'm 215 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:23.919 as much of a lauren on a person as anyone, 216 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.799 But there's a few there's always an exception to some 217 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.360 of these rules, and some of the rules in this case, 218 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.519 I think, just pulling visas because someone wrote something and 219 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.120 disagree with there's a big step between that and someone 220 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.679 who actually is an active terrorist. The guy in New 221 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.279 York may have a different situation because what he may 222 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.039 or may not have done in Colombia. But I've seen 223 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.120 no evidence that this Turkish woman did anything other than 224 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:53.000 write a piece for I guess a local newspaper or 225 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.559 maybe the student newspaper. Back on nights Side, right after this, 226 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:00.159 It's Night Tide. 227 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.960 With Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 228 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.600 Back we Go, Bob is in California. Bob, appreciate your patience. 229 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:09.120 You were next on Night Side, Bob. 230 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:15.519 Yes, Stan Good evening, Dan, I respectfully disagree with you 231 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.799 on this and the previous caller okay, tell us, well, yeah, 232 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:26.039 we okay, we are at war. We're at war with Hamas, Isbela, 233 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.279 and Iran, and they're expressed preppers, as you obviously know, 234 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.759 is the annihilation of Israel. They don't want Israel to exist. 235 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:39.799 And when you have somebody in this country like that student, 236 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:45.120 she's pro terrorist, Okay, she was supporting Hamas, get her 237 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:48.840 out of here. Okay. If you're supporting Hamas, you are 238 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.320 anti Semitic, and you are pro terrorist, and you are 239 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.759 obviously abilivious to what happened October seventh. You probably never 240 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.879 saw any films about the Holocaust. Okay, how dare her 241 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:08.000 come to this country national resources and then start writing 242 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:11.600 an editorial where you're supporting terrorism and of us. No, 243 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.720 there was a great move to get her out okay. 244 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.720 And I love like with Columbia. Columbia fired their president 245 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.559 as you know, they suddenly put money ahead of their 246 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:26.320 so called principles. You know, they were an incubator. Columbia, 247 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:30.080 like a lot of these universities of hate. Okay. Now, 248 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.320 the argument that some people use, like the last caller, 249 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:38.080 is oh, free speech. No, hate speech does not fall 250 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:39.039 under free speech. 251 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.559 Well, I understand your point. The problem is this, I 252 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.080 might be sympathetic to the idea of moving people like 253 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:56.120 this out of the country. However, I think the way 254 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:00.320 in which you do things is important. And I just 255 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.320 think that the optics of this woman walking down the 256 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.519 street alone and being confronted by six Ice agents again, 257 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:13.799 she did not look like a terrorist. I have not 258 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.840 read the article that she wrote. You may have, but 259 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:23.279 it would have to have really been more than just 260 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:28.879 simple simple empathy for that point of view. If she 261 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.879 celebrated if in the article, I should probably have tried 262 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.360 to find the article, and maybe I will by this 263 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:39.799 time tomorrow find it. If she had celebrated what Hamas 264 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:44.240 did on October seventh, that's a different story. That's a 265 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.919 different story in my opinion. But she if she wrote 266 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.200 a relatively bland article, and maybe in the break I 267 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.039 will try to give it a quick read here. And 268 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.639 I may have been remiss and not reading it. I 269 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.279 just I haven't seen this should have been if the 270 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.359 White House was certain, Bob, it would have been nice 271 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.680 if they said, after they arrested her, we have arrested 272 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.720 phil in her name. The reason we have arrested her 273 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.079 is her visa was revoked. The reason we revoked her 274 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:18.319 visa was because on this date, in this news article 275 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:23.400 she wrote quote whatever she said. I would feel differently 276 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:25.799 about it depending upon what they came up with. But 277 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:30.680 the only response from the White House so far is 278 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:35.359 that that she wrote an article which was a supportive 279 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.559 of Hamas. But I wish it was. I wish they 280 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.359 would lay it out. What do they mean by supportive? 281 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.799 Do you know what I'm trying, what I'm trying to say, or. 282 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.880 No, I think you have a point. But again, I'm 283 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.599 going to go write back to what I said. I'm 284 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.799 okay with what they did. Okay, we'll send a message 285 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.359 if you're in this country and or thousands or students 286 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.480 that have come here to use our resources, if they 287 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.440 hate America, like clearly she does, is she's pro Hamas, 288 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.200 then okay, go to the guys the strip, go over indeed, 289 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.160 with the Palestinians, go where you know, go over there. Okay, 290 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.559 don't come to this country and be writing hate speech. 291 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.920 Don't be doing that. And I'm totally okay with how 292 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.039 they removed her. Okay, but then I'm saying. 293 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.960 But what I'm saying is if if she was writing 294 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:27.759 hate speech, I wish they had laid it out for me. 295 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:32.440 Uh and so I could see what the what the 296 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:38.160 hate speech was. I'm looking at an article here from 297 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:50.119 National Review, which is a conservative magazine. They write, the writer, 298 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:52.359 who I do not know, says, while I can see 299 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:57.920 the legality of the administration's move against Ramasha Ousturk, I 300 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.519 reject this morality imprudence. You're a Turkish graduate student at 301 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:06.200 Tufts University named Remisa auster Co wrote an op ed 302 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.160 for the school's newspaper complaining about the administration's failure to 303 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.000 respect student government demands for the university's divest from Israel. 304 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:16.559 Few seem to have read the piece. Rather than a 305 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:21.759 statement of anti Semitic ideology, it's a bland process complaint 306 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:26.359 about anti Semitic ideology, landed with Gratruda's quotes from James 307 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.920 Baldwin typically forget to put left wing juvenilia. In other words, 308 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.160 I'm going to read the article during the break here, Bob, 309 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:39.640 and I'll, you know, I will come back and and 310 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:44.200 see what what what I might come up with here? Okay, 311 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.240 this this article was written, was published on March twenty six, 312 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:53.960 twenty twenty four. So let me see what I come 313 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:55.119 Let me see what I come up with. 314 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:01.039 Okay, Okay. Clearly she's anti Israel. Okay, she was criticizing, 315 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:04.880 you know, for the ties of Israel. She's anti Israel, Okay, 316 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.960 which means she's pro terrorist. She's pro hamas well. 317 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.000 I don't know. That might be for me a bridge 318 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.440 too far. I'm very pro Israel. Okay, But let me 319 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:18.400 let me read the article, and I can read it, 320 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.119 and I'll come back on the other side and I'll 321 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.599 have comment on it. Okay, I will. I've found it 322 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:26.720 and we will read it, I promise you. Okay. 323 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.799 Sounds good. All right, Thanks, thank you, Dan, Thanks. 324 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:32.480 Bob, good night, talk to you. So good. All right, 325 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:34.519 all right, let me take a quick break here, we'll 326 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.160 break a little early. I'm going to talk to John 327 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.319 and Bob, and if you want to join us, feel free. 328 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.359 Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, six, seven, nine, 329 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.680 three thirty. This article appeared in the Toughs Daily, which 330 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.119 is the student newspaper at Toughts. It was written co 331 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.400 written by four individuals. It was published March twenty sixth 332 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:58.759 a year ago. Twenty and twenty four. I'll read it 333 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.519 and I'll have some comments when we get back, and 334 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:03.920 i'd love to get your reaction to what we're talking about. 335 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:05.640 We'll be back on Nightside. 336 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:11.279 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 337 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:14.920 Okay, as I promised, I've just read the op ad 338 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:20.079 written by these four individuals, including Rumeisha Ostork, the woman 339 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:26.000 who was arrested last week near either on or near 340 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:30.079 the Toughs University campus. The first paragraph I'm going to 341 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.720 read to you of the is all I want to 342 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:39.880 focus on. This is only an op ed piece of three, four, five, six, seven, 343 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.480 eight paragraphs. It's not that long. On March fourth, the 344 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.319 Toughs Community Union sent it passed three out of four 345 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:56.079 resolutions demanding that the university acknowledged the Palestinian genocide, apologize 346 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:01.559 for university President Saneil Kamara's statements to close its investments, 347 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.480 and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel. 348 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:10.559 These resolutions are the product of meaningful debate by the Senate. 349 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.319 This is the tough University. It's not the United States Senate. 350 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:18.559 It's a bunch of students, okay, and represent some sincere 351 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:24.079 effort to hold Israel accountable for clear violations of international law. 352 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:29.160 Now we're getting into an area that's problematic. Credible accusations 353 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:35.799 against Israel include accounts of deliberate starvation, I don't think 354 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:43.720 that's a pretty strong allegation, indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians, 355 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:50.519 and plausible genocide. This is obviously a woman whose mind 356 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.079 is not in the right place. But there's a lot 357 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.160 of people on the left's minds or not in the 358 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.039 right place, and we can't kick them out of the 359 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.880 country for their minds not being the right place. I 360 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.319 wish my friend, I hope my friend Bob is listening. 361 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:09.720 Credible accusations, first of all, credible by whom against Israel 362 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:16.440 include accounts of deliberate starvation, really indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians, 363 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:21.720 and plausible genocide. Well, we did have indiscriminate slaughter of 364 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:27.240 Israeli civilians that we know on October seventh. We did 365 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:34.319 have plausible genocide allegations because I think the individuals who 366 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:38.319 went in and attacked the folks at the dance festival 367 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:44.319 and went into the Kobutz's area and killed older, old men, 368 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:49.319 old women as and infants. I think that was genocide. 369 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:52.160 I think they went after them because they were Jewish. 370 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:57.400 I think that's pretty clear or Israeli. Israel then has 371 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:01.279 a right to defend themselves. This is stupid, editory, stupid 372 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:07.680 position taken by people who obviously may be antisemitic, certainly 373 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:12.400 are anti Israel. But I still don't think that once 374 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.799 you give a visa to someone that you can rescind 375 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:21.599 the visa or revoke the visa because they've written a stupid, 376 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:27.279 tough daily editorial, in my opinion, and I don't think 377 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:32.200 that that's where the American people want the Trump administration 378 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:35.799 to focus, in my opinion, and I just think it's 379 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:38.680 a bad look. So if you'd like to join the conversation, 380 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.359 you can agree or disagree. I've got a couple of 381 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:43.839 lines still open. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten 382 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:46.279 thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 383 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.519 Let me go next to Bob and Rain and Bob 384 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:50.640 you were next on Nightside. Hi, Bob, how are you. 385 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:52.359 Good? 386 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:52.880 How's it going? 387 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.759 Dan going great? If I'm not mistaken, you're you're a 388 00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.559 pretty solid supporter of President Trump? Correct? 389 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.880 Yeah, I would, yeah, definitely. 390 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.680 Okay, so I am I right or wrong on this 391 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.759 issue in your opinion. I want to hear what you say. 392 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.359 So I guess I don't like the look of, you know, 393 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:17.839 actually doing it in broad daylight. But I have to 394 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:23.079 say just I think that we should be removing these 395 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:28.240 people just as they were allowed into the country at 396 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.920 two o'clock in the morning while we were sleeping. And 397 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.480 I don't know if this is a particular case. But 398 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:35.359 while I don't think. 399 00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.119 She supposedly is a full bright scholar, I don't think 400 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.960 she's too bright anyway. But that's okay. That sort of 401 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.720