Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of
geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts, the
Little Tom taylor Field, and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the Nut Lord Kirkland Pats are better yet
known as the Donut Lord.
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Speaker 2: And later on, if you're interested, pled and just deter
a bunch of listeners with my powerful name. But yeah,
if you're If you're interested, stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Uh, we are here to talk Sonic three spoilers. Sonic
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Speaker 3: We have War of the Hero review that was all
this month too. Can you believe that? I?
Speaker 1: You know, I I'm not gonna lie. I think I
feel burnout because it's like se so much.
Speaker 2: It's towards our holidays too. I feel like, yeah, it's rough,
it's rough, it's creeping in and it's all good content.
Speaker 1: It's all really really good content because we've got Dexter
that we're starting up or reviews tomorrow. We've got Creature Commandos.
We're gonna we're sliding that to tomorrow because we're gonna
be talking about the Superman trailer. Also tonight. We have
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and greatest Skeeekers content. But unless I missed anything, Kirklin,
I feel free to give us like a quick retro
recap of like your Sonic one, Sonic two, and Knuckles
TV show, and then give us your non spoilers for
Sonic three.
Speaker 2: I you know, most days go on and I don't
remember Knuckles is even a thing, And yeah, no, I'm
I'm sad I went through that because I was that
was a rough review for me. I feel like that
might have been I feel like that might have been
the hardest reviews that we did because even Halo that
was a bad show, it was still like enjoyable to
talk about with like you guys and just the ridiculous
things that were happening. Like, sure the show aggravated me
at times, but it got so silly that I was
just enjoying it. And there was also moments that I
was enjoying, But with Knuckles, it was just it was
very few and far between of the enjoyment level for me.
And thankfully, because I never think about it, I didn't
really have that shadowing no pun intended over me going
into this movie. I feel like just all of the
trailers and the idea of what the plot is got
me super hyped. And I thoroughly enjoy the first two
Sonic movies. I feel like I haven't really revisited them
in a while, Like I haven't Rewald. I probably never
rewatched the second movie. Actually i've seen the first one
a couple of times, but yeah, I didn't really feel
the need to go through all of them leading up
to this. I feel like just the idea and set
up at what it was, I trusted that it was
going to be just a good standalone title. And in fact,
some of the people I went with tonight they had
never seen any of the Sonic movies, and you know,
they said not necessary. They were able to have a
good time, and honestly, having a good time is what
I had with this movie. I think it was a
really good maybe I'll say this, one of my favorite
video games growing up was Sonic Adventure to Battle, and
I feel like this movie is a recreation of what
that game is for the main story at least, and
there's many things that they do kind of deviate from,
but it feels like the same pillars of what the
story is follow the events of what that game is.
And you know, if you're like me and you really
enjoy that game, I feel like you are gonna true
really enjoy this movie there. I like, I just had
a great time at the theater this evening. I was
laughing throughout. The theater was pretty full, honestly, and I
felt like everybody was having a good time. All ages
were in the theater, and it was funny because everyone
was laughing. It seemed at like different periods, Like I
don't think there was one laugh that came out where
like the entire theater actually laughed like inn synchronicity.
Speaker 3: I think there was just goofy things going on that
just caught me off.
Speaker 2: Guard and I just burst out laughing and then yeah,
there was one liners that would just not hit at all,
But then like the other members of the theater were laughing,
So I feel like overall it was just Yeah, people
were super positive in my theater about this movie. There's
moments where I don't, yeah, like the humor doesn't fully
hit with me, but that's that's a next to impossible
tasks used to get these days, to especially for like
a family movie, like get every joke hitt and everyone
really well.
Speaker 3: There's yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Enjoyment wise, definitely, definitely, I'm gonna say like two thumbs
up for me right now. I think it was really awesome.
Shadow is probably my favorite Sonic character, like besides just
the main boy Sonic himself. I feel like, yeah, I
just I love the idea what Shadow was back in
the day. Like I'm more dark and gritty, you know me,
I'm all about my Sith and like Red and Black
is just always like contributed like or not contributed attributed
to like the Sith characters, and of course Shadow is
just kind of like a darker version of Sonic with
like syth like powers almost to an extent, So it
makes sense my alignment there. Maybe Yeah, I know very
interesting character, and I think they did a really good
job with him in this movie. I again, like it's
pretty much what you get in Sonic Vinchju Battle. But yeah,
I thought Keanu Reeves was really good is the voice
for it. I still really liked Sonic Tales, and like
even Knuckles, like like it's nice to just have him.
It's like the thing with me and Aaron Taylor Johnson,
like I just like him as a side character so
much more than him in the lead role and in
his show Knuckles, I feel like, honestly, he's not even
the lead role.
Speaker 3: He's got it. He got waited for.
Speaker 2: That, And I'm just gonna stop bringing up that show.
Maybe I'll bring up one more thing later on in
the review, but yeah, I know it was a good time.
There is some like technical issues that I have and
maybe just some weak story points that it's just like, really,
we're just throwing that in just to get to this point.
So it's kind of lazy in that sense. So it's
nowhere near perfect film. Jim Carrey man like like say
what you will about like what actually like the writing
is for like the specific character. I honestly enjoyed it.
I think especially his performance, like he is going one
hundred and ten percent in every single scene that he
is in. Honestly throughout every movie like Sonic one, two
and three, I feel like he's always got it and
this one it's ramped up literally.
Speaker 3: Times too, and like he's just the type.
Speaker 2: Of goofball where like I feel like, although maybe not
all of the forest humor works for me around the character,
I'm just drawn to him and like my eyes are
just on him, like he just commands attention, I think,
And I can only imagine what it would have been
like on set of him, just like doing some of
these sequences, because like he's playing two characters in this
and a lot of the times they're just going off
of each other. And I'm like, this is just so wild.
But now respect man, like like he earned that paycheck.
He went all out on it, and uh yeah no
it was. It was a great performance, I'll say there
then Yeah, no, I think that's kind of my overall
thoughts right now. Spil Wise, I really liked the little
game easter eggs that they have pretty much throughout the
whole movies. Like I think the first movie maybe had
more than what the second one did. But in this one,
it felt like it was ramped up again on just yeah,
like the Easter eggs, whether it was a theme song
or an idle animation that some characters are doing, or
they run through a sign and it like spins around
like it would in the game, all the way to
like minor spoiler, there's a big action moment and it
they literally just played the theme song of Sonic Events
to battle and like, you know, like for me.
Speaker 3: Like where the hell is that video? Where the hell
is this?
Speaker 1: Was just as sure as a rock is covered in
chills already.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the surrounding scenes about like around
that moment wasn't really hitting me, but just the combination
of what was going on and the theme song like
literally just just just as sure as the rock at chills,
That's where I was. So yeah, I had a good
time with it, and I'm I'm glad that I feel
like this Sonic universe I am like envious of, Like
let's say, like I think my past self is envious
of where I am right now, just because like when
I was in the peak Sonic mode, when I was
watching like the TV show, I had the VHS recordings
of episodes playing Sonic, a bunch of two battle playing
Sonic like two on Sega Genesis, Like I was just
in that sphere. I like, if these movies came out
at that age, it would have just totally blow up
my mind. I think like it would have just I
would have been in awe. So I am glad that
I'm able to enjoy it now, as you know, pushing
almost thirty, I'm.
Speaker 3: Getting up there. So yeah, no, it's it's good, good
movie right on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the first one caught me off
guard because, yeah, Jim Carrey was He's great. I'm a
huge Jim Carrey fan. I love the guy. He's so
freaking funny and he's just been He's such a he's
such a wonderful just like I don't know, do I say,
like manifestor just a person that can just optimistic and
will things and just you know, just preaching good energy.
He's just such a character. And for him to be
in this role just being his quoky, quirky self, it's
just it's great. And I love how as you said,
he just really amped it up in Sonic three. I
was not expecting him to be in Sonic two and
then here we are another film and we have him
back playing two different egg Man characters, which is just
mind boggling. So these movies, for sure have definitely been
tapping into the the Sonic verse a little bit when
they introduced Knuckles and Tails through that first one and
the second one and then the Knuckle Show, which that
Knuckle Show, yeah, check out our review, but it was
not the greatest for me. The highlight in this movie is, yeah,
Robotanic And if I had to pick one of the characters,
I'm a I really really like Knuckles, and I always
found Knuckles was always he was always such a tricky
character to unlock in those og Sonic games. Camember the
one that was It's got the original on my phone
that I still play, and I have number two on
my phone. I want to say, maybe it's a third one.
Speaker 2: I think the three is when Knuckles is there, like
in the end and you have to get the you
have to get the chaos em roles. Yeah, the intro
like you're super Sonic and then Knuckles like steals it
back from you, and then that's like the start of
Sonic three.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I'll pull that.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, because it's either that or maybe okay,
maybe it was Sonic No Sonic Advance three for game
Boy at game Boy Advance. Yeah, that's what I played,
heart out.
Speaker 3: Oh is that what you play as him?
Speaker 1: You can unlock him, like, so this is a four game.
So this is a much much more later one. But
this one had I mean, it had a whole yeah,
the whole roster, like Knuckles Tails, Sonic Amy, and then
it also had oh, I can't remember what her name was,
there's another character that was in there you could play as.
But I digress. I think that this movie, uh, not perfect,
but it was definitely a gauging. I was having a
fun time, and I think you said it spot on.
There were many different times where Okay, these jokes are
hitting this part of the audience, and then these other
jokes are hitting this part of the audience. O Sonic
and Knuckles three.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not Sonic three and Knuckles. That's kind of
a weird title. But yes, that's the Sega Genesis one
that I remember I remember getting, but sorry to interject.
Speaker 1: No, that's definitely not the one I tried. So yeah,
I think that the fact that they can set this
up where everyone has a little bit of something that
they can laugh at, and the jokes were really hitting
with my theater. My theater was fairly full, actually to
my surprise. But yeah, everyone was laughing. There was a
kid right behind me who was I think they were
crying at times. They were calling shadows sonic, but that's okay.
And they were just like how old, Like pretty young,
sub ten I'd say sub ten for sure. Yeah, yeah,
but they were having a great freaking time. And I
got to two applauses as soon as credits rolled at
the start, everyone was clapping in the theater. After the
next post credits scene, everyone clapped again. It was nice.
Speaker 2: My group was clapping. We were the only ones clapping
at the end of the movie. But also, how many
end credits was this? Because I only watched one, there
is two? Oh my god, this happened again with the
last movie. I walked out of the theater like right away,
and of course that's when they hinted at the knuckles reveal.
That's so funny because we're sitting there end credit plays,
it's like, okay, that's nice. And then and then and
then you know, talking with some friends and They're like,
is there another one? I'm like, no, there's not gonna
be another one, so let's just go. So yeah, we'll
discuss that in the spoiler in the spoiler section. Well, man,
I normally do google it, but I'm like, no, there's
not gonna be two. Come on, this is this is
already an end credit here.
Speaker 3: But and it was a long end credit.
Speaker 1: It was a long end credit. Like the guy in
front of me, he whipped the second post credits scene.
He whipped his phone out and filmed it, and I
was like, oh, you know what, I'll take a quick photo.
I don't know if I should share that photo and
we get the spoilers. I'll show me to you privately
so you can see it and then I'll.
Speaker 3: Pull it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, no, I think I think, uh it was.
It was just a great time. It was a really,
really a big, large amount of fun seeing this and
just everything going on, and yeah, just it's it's cool
to have all these different things that they've established in
this universe kind of come together and create this awesome
narrative and this dynamic. I will say I think James
Marson's character felt just completely.
Speaker 3: Dotted and this packed on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, there's one moment I feel like
you could maybe make an argument on the importance of
him being there actually a couple of moments, so maybe
maybe I'll try and play Devil's advocate when we get there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I uh.
Speaker 2: I'm not even that bothered by it, because I feel
like the human moments have always been my least interesting
part of these movies. I'm always more interested in our hedgehogs,
the kidneys and foxes, I guess. So, yeah, And I'm
just glad that like this isn't this is a universe,
like a cinematic universe that I can just enjoy, you know,
like they're not perfect movies, but it's not atrocious. It's
not like I'm watching Sony movies. You know that that
Marvel Sony weird echelon that we are covering.
Speaker 3: So glad that's over at least right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that pretty much covers are non
spoilers thought, unless you got anything else you want to
slide in there.
Speaker 3: No, it's a good, good spot. All right.
Speaker 1: Well, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna we're gonna go into
our spoiler free section. Are in three two one. All right,
where are we going to start off? What do you
want to talk about?
Speaker 3: You're so kind. This is where we're gonna start off with.
Speaker 2: We are gonna start off with our main Hedgehog, which
is not Sonic Shadow of the Hedgehog.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I got to the theater pretty damn late, even to
my standards, so I actually walked in when like some
action was already going on.
Speaker 3: But you know, I saw the main mainten potatoes.
Speaker 2: I at least saw like the opening Sonic three with
the again, it's literally like, the logo is the logo
of Sonicovinch two Battle. You know, if you got time,
maybe you can pull up the comparison just for your
own because you've played that game, right I.
Speaker 3: No, Jessica was a big fan of that one. We've
played it on the Gauntlet in the past.
Speaker 1: I think that's the only time I played it.
Speaker 2: Is okay on the Gauntlet, No. I. I was obsessed
with that game, and I feel like this whole movie
overall is just such a good credit to what that
story is. But yeah, no, the the opening I thought
was really just a good place to start with the
whole setup of I guess the threat of what Shadow
is I get like, it's it's pretty much this the
opening of what Sonovich two Battle is, so I think,
like right away, I was just excited and uh yeah, no,
it was a good way to to art the movie
and his whole kind of motivation and just yeah, his
path of what we're following for that specific character throughout
the whole film.
Speaker 3: How do you like it?
Speaker 2: Because for me, this is like I just I love
this character. Like the first time I think I ever
saw Shadow was through that game and it's pretty much
this that that we watched. And yeah, he's just like
a dark, dour guy, very upset with the world, just
just ready for vengeance. And of course he's just like
super saiyand level in comparison to everyone else. But yeah,
how do you like Shadow?
Speaker 1: I thought he was awesome And I feel like when
he was first introduced after he broke out of the
prison island and then we see him walking through Tokyo,
is like, wow, I feel like John Wick because you
got even Kenner Reeve's voice people walking by, Yeah, that's
exactly it. Oh and he gets on the bike with
the gun after I'm like, yeah, this is this is
Bubbiaga for sure. So I was really digging in and
he did a really good job voice in the character,
and yeah, he's just full of woe is me, and
I love seeing him interact with their team Sonic. I
thought that was a lot of fun seeing the characters
all together and just his yea, his powers. I didn't
I don't think I ever really fully understood what his
powers were. So when he was teleporting, I thought, that's
super cool. That's kind of like how he's moving fast,
how he's like running on water too, he's just like
gliding to.
Speaker 2: Like his running animation too that they were using. It's
like the exact same from the game. So it was
just really smooth, like pluck from the video game right
into the movie screen. And man, like halfway through this too,
it just hit me. I'm like, imagine if they never
redesigned Sonic and we're like here in the third movie,
we probably wouldn't have gone a third movie, but like
we're here with a third movie and we have teams Sonic.
Imagine what Shadow would have looked like if we had
that Sonic design.
Speaker 3: Like what That's one of the.
Speaker 2: Greatest in Madic decisions in history was to completely redesign
that character.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like Sonic one was made, they did
the trailer, they had that film ready to go, and
then everyone saw the horrendous like Sonic, and so they
redid Sonic. But that movie had Tales in a post
credit scene. So I'm telling you that there's a version
of Tales that looks pretty shitty like Sonic used to too.
It exists over there, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, watching Creature Commandos right now, but.
Speaker 1: That would, yeah, be absolutely horrible to see a shadow
like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, Like like I don't think we would
have been here in those movies. I just don't think
would have done well financially. But yeah, they did resign it,
which is great, and we gotta be here, and yeah,
in terms of shadow and like just Keanu voice acting,
I feel like I never would have like fancasted that,
but in hindsight, that's like this, it's just like the
perfect pairing.
Speaker 3: I haven't played Sonoviny.
Speaker 2: Battle in a while, but in my like distorted memory,
I feel like the voice is very similar to Keanu's voice,
like like the voice in this movie. It felt very
much like the shadow that I played in the Shadow
of the Hedgehog Game or Sonic meshut to Battle and
again like it's probably not, but still like because Keanu
is not doing a voice, He's just Keanu, Like I
guess he's doing John Wick.
Speaker 3: But but how much is John Wick not just Keanu?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I feel like all of his characters are just versions
of him, So well that's kind of a redundant thing
to say, but still it's.
Speaker 3: Just it's just Keanu anyways.
Speaker 2: In terms of his powers and such, Yeah, I think
when it comes like for me and like Sonic's powers,
like in the video games, I never think of what
it kind of is in these movies. Where in these
movies they put like a big emphasis on his quills, right,
like like he just harnesses this power.
Speaker 3: It's like electric.
Speaker 2: It comes like his eyes glow and then all of
a sudden his quills are like lit up and then
and like it makes sense because he kind of does
that animation in the video games and then this is
just like a different explanation for why that happens, Whereas
in the video games, I feel like it's more so
he's just moving fast and that's why it looks blurry
or like a blue distortion. But yeah, like in these movies,
I never really like think too much about the origin
of Sonics powers because we don't really get anything about
like his species, right, or like anything else like that,
or just why he has powers and why Tales doesn't
or Knuckles kind of well, I guess he's super strong,
so they all do kind of have their own something
about them, their own power or quirk. But yeah, so,
because I've never like thought too much about Sonics here,
when they were like explaining Shadows powers and such, I
feel like I didn't really need that at all. It
does make sense story wise why they do have to
explain it, because he generates chaos power and that's why
they because I don't think it's anything like that in
the video game. If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure
he's just like a weapon, not so much an emphasis
on the power that he makes like chaos power.
Speaker 3: And I could be completely wrong play this.
Speaker 2: I haven't played that game in a long time, even
though I did play it a lot. A lot of
it was in the chow Garden, which is hilarious that
we went there, but with Shadow, Yeah, no, I think
it worked for the story. And when he's like blinking around,
I kind of just took that he's moving like that fast.
It's almost like in Dragon Ball Z when you see
characters just like teleporting, but they're just like moving really fast.
So it looks like that. And like the animations just
look so good, Like all of the Sonic stuff, whether
it's the powers or the characters, Chef's kiss, it looks
so beautiful. It looks pretty iffy when we have like
human characters just standing in front of like a super
bright London backdrop, and it's like, oh man, this is
like this is like like Volume. It's funny how you know,
a while ago we were like just praising the Volume,
but now that we've seen it so many times, it's
just so obvious to see and that that's where a
lot of those scenes felt. I'll kind of, you know,
look at it like this, like some some of this with.
Speaker 3: With John Marson's character.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I think just all of the animated
character stuff, it just looks so beautiful. And that's kind
of just what I've been echoing I think on all
these reviews that we've been doing is just all of that.
I just want more of it because it looks so great.
So I don't think we're ever gonna fully go there.
I think we'll always be grounded in the the human world.
But I don't know, I still like it. It still looks good.
Speaker 1: It would be cool to go to one of those
other worlds. I just remember when that first Sonic movie
had the Green Hills, and it was just like, this
is super super cool, like just it's all of course CGI,
but dang, it looks nice, looks super super awesome and smooth.
But I don't I'm okay with it being on Earth.
There's a lot of fun that they can still have there,
especially just them walking around fighting in like Tokyo just
looks super cool, the neon and just him moving like
driving on his motorbike going up the building and Sonic
like in his ball smashing into it. Like it just
was so visually appealing and satisfying to witness. I really
liked it.
Speaker 2: Yeah cool and then Shadow, Oh, I feel like I had.
Maybe I'll just list off a couple of Easter eggs
that I noticed, because I feel like I'm gonna forget
about them as we go along. So at the start
of the movie when they do like their land race,
I thought that was just really, I don't know, it
was fun. I feel like it got a little bit
like cringey when we got to the camp and again
it's just like introduction of John Mars's character, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I forgot how much I don't love Tom in these movies.
And that was our sidecloths. This guy here, he is
just being the donut Lord. And yeah, the reason why
my name is that is because later on when he's
wearing the donut Lord shirt, when I first saw it,
because it's like a D and then a literal donut,
like a three D donut, and then it just says
Nutlord and I literally just read it as nut Lord,
and I just laughed so hard on myself when like
he's just standing there as the nut Lord and it.
Speaker 3: Just it was goofy.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was just a little bit dyslexic, but yeah,
it was terrible sweater. I'm sure it was warm, but
I thought it was just so cheesy. But yeah, when
they're doing the land race, of course, you know he
runs by the sign does like the little spinny thing.
But then also when he gets to like the finish line,
and then like knuckles and Tails are just waiting for him,
it's revealed that they're holograms, but just like they're doing
like the like the little foot tap, which like on
the old Saga games, if you just don't hold your controller,
like Sonic would just do that and like wait for you.
So I thought that was fun. I yeah, I, well,
we'll talk about the ending. But I already mentioned like
the theme song that played that just totally totally got me,
just just super hyped in the in the chills department.
Speaker 1: What else.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're gonna hit me as we keep
going along, and certain scenes remind me of things. But
uh yeah, no, damn it. There was another one that
I had, but then as I was talking about something else,
it fleeted me. But I'm sure it'll come back. But yeah,
where do you want to go next?
Speaker 1: Well, one of the only other Easter eggs I noticed
was when we were looking at Tom and I can't
remember the lady's name. They were together in the home
after Sonic and Co left and they were just taking
up all these hobbies because they were just on their own.
And while we were in their home with them and
they were talking about all their hobbies and stuff, the
music playing in the background was like a soft piano
of the like Sonic theme. Pretty sure. It was like
the loading screen from the original Sonic. I could be mistaking.
It's been a while, but it was just a super soft,
like melody off the piano version. I really liked it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you reminded me of another one when what's his name,
Tom and Maddie, that's her name, Maddie when they're going
in to put in the USB and then it doesn't
work and they take it out and then they blow
on the cartridge and it's like not proven to work,
and then it just works, which is just hilarious because
that was what everyone did back in the day and it.
Speaker 3: Would work for whatever reason. And then.
Speaker 2: And then that was always what was said. It's like
that doesn't actually doing anything. It's like, okay, well I
think it does because it literally worked for for some people.
So that was another one. Y. I kind of yeah,
it went on too long. They're like, oh, yeah, nineties
best decade ever. I'm like, oh, shut the fuck up.
This is so stupid. And like again, that's where like
other parts of the theater were just giggling and stuff
like that, and I'm like, that is the worst thing
I've ever heard of in my life. But no, I
thought that moment was kind of funny. So yeah, as
we keep going, more more strikers will bounce out at me.
But doctor Eggman, we got two of them in this movie, which, uh, I.
Speaker 3: Not my favorite version of the character.
Speaker 2: Like, if I have to be honest with myself, I
feel like just the classic big paunch egg Man with
like the super lanky legs and just like the the
big goggles. I feel like that's just more iconic to me,
especially because I was such a big fan of those games,
so it's just like the big villain in these in
these games. But I do appreciate Jim Carrey's version in
and of itself, like it's hard to do that cartoon Well,
he's doing a cartoon character very much so, with all
of his mannerisms and just going off the rails. But
uh yeah, we got two different versions of him here.
And as I was saying in the spoiler free section,
I feel like there's moments when I'm just like I
can't believe that, Like you know, this is the golden
inked script that got that got him back in this character.
He he like he read this, Yeah, no, this is
this Oscar level. I'm hyperbolyzing a little bit, but still
and but throughout the whole thing, like I'm just totally
locked in with his character, like I can't not just
stare at what is happening in front of me, and
it's just yeah, he got me. Many times, I feel
like a lot of my enjoyment were, like humor wise,
was just around those two characters. I was very surprised
that they did like a fourth wall break a joke
too felt very like dead Pooley, which I thought was
hilarious when you know, it's like it's almost like we're
two characters played by one actor in a movie and
then they just turn and stare at the screen. That
got pretty much the whole theater laughing at that moment.
But uh yeah, no, he he went all for it,
and I just there was moment I just couldn't believe
like what was actually on screen, what he was doing.
I'm like, man, this guy is like he's not he's
not a young buck anymore, but he's like still has
this energy of like all of these famous roles that
he's done, whether it's ace Ventura or the Grinch, like
he's just always been at this level and he is
not slowing down for doctor Doctor Robotnik. He is, yeah,
he is, He's going all out and uh yeah, no,
I think I just liked also the main hitting points
of what the plot was, with the dynamic of the
grandpa and and him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, uh, I'm going to share my thoughts
with Robotnik after this quick at break and we are bad.
So for me, yeah, Jim Carrey is for me growing up.
Jim Carrey is now where I'm out of my life.
One of the last of the greats in my opinion.
And for me, my greats are Robin Williams, Jim Carrey.
Short list, Yeah, pretty shortlist. Those are my two growing up.
They were my childhood. They were just always making me laugh.
I absolutely love them. They were so funny and so
Robert Williams went, that was just the one of the
worst days of all time. He's such a kind person.
And with Jim Carrey, I just when he said he
wasn't going to go into acting anymore and that was it,
I thought, oh, you know, that sucks. And that's why
Sonic has kind of like a very important place in
my heart because I really thought, oh, this is going
to be his last hurrah on the big screen, and
he just he's so freaking funny. But to see him
go through with this and just as you already mentioned
the times too of just different characters and just giving
it his all, it's great because, yeah, he does tap
into those moments of ace Ventura and the Grinch and
and whatnot, but he still feels like it's there's a
little bit of his own kind of unique kind of
thing he's putting in here, whether he just starts talking
in different languages, because he'll just be like, oh, I
speak French, and I love how it just it continues
on because then Gerald comes out He's like, I know,
I speak French. There's just it's just it's it's the
same thing and it's stupid, but it's funny and it's
the way he sells it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: The one that really got me was when he like
says like Spanish to Shadow, like at the end, like
it's just totally caught up guard. It just credits come
up or not credit sorry, like subtitles. But yeah, know,
I like the different languages he was in corporate.
Speaker 1: That that too. When he was first introduced in this movie,
when his hench was trying to prove his innocence and
it just he's this this like Spanish like soap opera
thing going on. Was I was laughing at that. And
then when you see him just there watching it and
he just looks so grangey and he's his his robot
like pours like the sauce on the brito, it opens up.
Speaker 2: And the microwave is like the dirtiest thing ever. I
was laughing so hard at that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it grows, but yeah, that he's just like playing
on his big gut and as he turns around and
everyone's there, that just that got me. That was hilarious.
And they actually really shaved his head too.
Speaker 2: It looked I'm like this, I'm getting PTSD or twenty
four hours stream.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that that was legit. And yeah, everything
from that him putting a suit on, like him him
not even being able to fit the suit on, and
he the guy's like, I don't have the proper materials.
He just rips his shirt off like all those silly,
stupid little.
Speaker 3: And the whole back of his jacket was just like
the guy's shirt the whole the whole movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, and I do love his wardrobe like I
I've ever since the first movie. I know, the first
movie he was very different and he had like the
false head of hair and the smaller mustache and like
his like much more like lean as a Robotnick and
with his suit. And then the second one he got
his uh more red suit on, and I've just loved
every iteration of him. He's just looks so cool. And
after seeing him in these movies, it actually tempted me
to like want to coseplay as a robot Nick and
do like that mustache, grow the mustache out, yeah, because
his his style is just I really like it. And yeah,
he's just like always like like he makes the deal
with Sonic's Sonic's crew to team up and go figure
out where Shadow is and who's stealing bags tech and
he's like, you know what I want And then Sonic
gives him a quill like this is weird, and then
he like buzzes it and gets his high off of
the quill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's doing like fentanyl hits off this like second.
Speaker 1: Hedgehog quill, which I guess exactly is what is his
grandfather is, which it's hard for me to kind of
I guess it makes sense that the time jump of
fifty years, but it was just hard to kind of
see between Like I guess his sister would be the
girl who ends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Maria.
Speaker 2: That's something that I wish they at least touched upon
at some point, like, well, I guess old Doctor Eggman
says like you're no Maria at some point, but really
they don't ever mention anything about that, like he's never
and like, I guess I don't really need that from
the character, but I would have maybe, Yeah, I think
I would have preferred to at least have some sort
of acknowledgment of who this character would have been, because
I don't know, does that mean that like our young
doctor Eggman was like that same age when all these
events were happening, or like how different parents, Like, I
don't know, just I was a little bit confused about
where it aligned because.
Speaker 3: They just didn't really talk about it.
Speaker 1: And Gerald he said he was one hundred and ten
too in this movie, which makes him pretty old.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, yeah, yeah, because I feel like if they
if it's just his grandpa, like they should be not
so close in age at least appearance wise. I guess
he's one hundred and ten, so there's some separation there,
but yeah, old bastard, old bastard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he at the end of the day, I
think they're they're kind of dispute at the end and
them kind of like fight each other. I don't know why,
but that just made me laugh because he's oh, he
goes like scorpion mode and then like uh yeah, good
Robotnik is like mantis and then he does this. It
just happens so seamlessly where his little wings come out.
He's like ha, and he like glides around and like,
oh yeah, his mustache.
Speaker 2: That's like where I was having an out about experience
and I'm just like, what am I even watching right now?
And then like, of course it makes me think of
like the onset things because it's just what have been
Jim Carrey probably like like someone filling in just to
like actually have someone to look at. But who knows,
maybe not, maybe he was just on his own and
just the faces that he's doing and like, yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Little mannerisms and just weird noises.
Speaker 2: I was just like I just couldn't stop laughing the
whole time that they kept showing his little grass or
uh praying mant his hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then defeats him with a quill to the ass
and just gets shot up into the old.
Speaker 1: The kids in my theater lost it. I like one
needed like and haler or something because he was laughing
and losing oxygen, like, oh my god, that just hit them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like there wasn't a lot of kids, like
as many as I would have expected. Like there's a
couple groups of families, but it wasn't just like you know,
sometimes you go in and there's like, okay, there's like
a birthday party. That's how many kids there, because they're
like taking up a whole aisle or like two aisles
or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just kind of surprised about the age demographic
in my theater, but everybody was enjoying.
Speaker 3: It seemed good.
Speaker 1: Oh so what else do we got here?
Speaker 2: So we got gun right, the big government agency, yes,
I can't remember the Guardians United Nations or something. I
don't remember what they're uh what their acronym is, but yeah,
that they're like the big threat again. In that game
Sonic Covintion to Battle, when you first meet Shadow, they're
like trying to recapture him because he escapes from the
gun operatives and we have director Rockwell played by the
great Kristian Ritter. I knew like she was in this,
but I also completely forgot that she was in this,
So I was still just shocked to just see her
on screen. Not the best character, like, especially for Kristin Ritter,
like being such a phenomenal actress as what she is,
very much like a nerved role, Like it just didn't
seem like they were really using her to her full potential.
The one moment that I actually burst out laughing or
laughing at and I'm just surprised it happened was when uh,
Tom and Maddie are doing like their their disguises and
then Maddie so they're like married, right, Tom and Maddie
they got married in like the first movie or something.
Maddie like turns into Christian Ridder and and James Marsden's
reaction was just like oh, like like he's just like
like ready to go now, He's like, all right, this works,
And I was just like, I cannot believe they just
did that joke, Like it's so obvious that he just
got all horny for the idea of his wife being
Christian Ridder And I just I just laughed so hard
because it is it's not even subtle, it's just quick,
and I just burst out laughing, and I just couldn't believe.
Speaker 3: What I was seeing. It was so hilarious.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the movies overall never do jokes
of like sexual inn windows or something. And it just
he looked he looked ready to go right in that moment,
like oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like let's do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, the fuck me eyes and then she
punched him right away.
Speaker 3: It was just yeah, it got me mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She definitely caught me off guard playing this character.
And you're right, it definitely was a little bit more
kind of like brought down. I thought it was funny
when they were in the the emergency building or not
the emergency like the vault of the gun headquarters, which
you were very close or actually maybe you were right
the guardian units of Nations, oh.
Speaker 2: I said, United Nations. So definitelytions deviated there.
Speaker 1: When they were basically like magnetized down to the floor
and they both like robotneck looks up and sees the
key guard and she does too, and then they like
start like weirdly like bodies like snailing towards it that
was really funny.
Speaker 3: That was one that did not get me at all.
I was like, this way too long, just taking way too.
Speaker 1: It was a long it was a long scene. But yeah, no,
I think I think she was great. Could have had
something a bit bigger, but very weird to justification because
we get a Waller Walker maybe Command of Gutten basically
meets in this wal Japanese Walters meets in this Japanese
the chow Garden, The chow Garden with Sonic and co.
Speaker 2: I I another moment I just absolutely burst out laughing,
and I think it was like just my group that
was laughing in the scene because it's like the chow Garden.
It's the most like deep anime like Tokyo, like just
with like the Japanese music going on. People are dancing
in costumes and it's just like so over the top
like anime weeb like and U. And then it goes
to our gang and then just this like it's just
like Commander General wearing like an army uniform. He just
sits down and then he just and then he just
does some like really depressing exposition dump of just like
this is the origin of Shadow and his Yeah, murdered
all these people, and like the whole the music just
completely shifts and it felt comedic because it's just such
like a a wild.
Speaker 3: Spectrum comparison. I know it was a word there.
Speaker 2: I can't think of to describe it, but it was
just such a yeah, like a polar opposites thing, and
I just.
Speaker 3: Like it would be it would be his story and.
Speaker 2: Then it would go back to the chow garden and
then it's just like over the top fun things that
are going on. Uh, and then and then just back
to him and then like right after that, he gets
murdered and they just like lift this like piece of
rubble off of him, and he's just like he looks
charred almost, I'm just like.
Speaker 3: Dirty, just dying.
Speaker 2: I just I could not stop laughing the entire scene
because it was just such a wild like character.
Speaker 3: Insertion, Like he just was so out of.
Speaker 2: Out of the environment, like he just seemed like he
was plucked out of like another universe in comparison to
everyone else in that scene, and like why is he alone?
Speaker 3: Like like why like white.
Speaker 1: Guards no one else with them?
Speaker 3: It's so random, like why why do they have this
meeting here?
Speaker 2: They just never even had to explain that because he
just died two minutes later, and uh yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Got the photo of them in his pocket. And then
they're like Chris Rider's like, oh they never trust an alien.
Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So stuff like that where I'm like, Okay, this is
just weak as fun, but the actual what was going
on I was laughing at. And that was another I
guess easter egg is like the Chow Garden from specifically
Sonic Adventure to Battle. They had a big element of
the Chow Garden, which is like, when you're not doing missions,
you can go to the chow Garden. You can raise
your chows, which are like those little creatures. And I
guess that's another Easter egg that you know, we kindly
led myself right into remembering was when our heroes team
Song Escape, they're running down the street and they're each
wearing a chow head and in like the mechanic, I'm
saying chow a lot. Now it's kind of losing its meaning.
Now it's sounding weird in my mind. But in the
Chow Garden, you can go there with any character, any
like playable character, and when you interact with chows, it'll
like change their behavior, like if you if you have
like a dark side character, you'll make like an evil
chow or like yeah, it's just like there's so many
elements to the breeding of chows and like customizing and
like if you raise it as knuckles, it'll look more
like knuckles, like it'll just have those traits. And then
there's like relay games and stuff you can play, so
then like they would be like stronger if it's trained
by knuckles, for example, or if you're tails, they're like flyers.
So like again, like just hundreds of hours probably spent
into the chow garden for me back in the day.
But it was cool because when they were escaping, each
character was wearing like the version of their chow if
they would have raised it. So it was like the
tails one, the knuckles one, and sonic. So I thought
that was cool. Again, like it's subtle. It's not like
an over the top easter egg like Dylan and I
just did rowe herem and minor spoilers just like a
moment when a character is just like, oh, yeah, there's
a wizard out here, and he goes by many names
and then it's like tailing off and it's like his
name's Gandalf. It's like, okay, guys, like we fucking know
who this is. Like you don't have to just dummy
it down for us. But yeah, like it was nice
for it to be not like so nudge nudge, elbow, like, hey,
this is this is a video game reference. Like I
feel like they're subtle enough. If you know them, you'll
catch on to them. But if not, like it's not
taking you out of the movie. Like it feel like
sometimes other properties do, like you'll hear them in that
one example.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I did not know about the Chows and
that kind of Easter Egg with their representation. Was they
wearing those masks. I just thought it was freaking hilarious.
When the missiles started going and the people in these
mascot suits, I felt like it was like they were friendly,
but then they were like pushing people out of the way,
like get the fuck out.
Speaker 2: Look like a hell fire like airstrike nuke coming right
at them.
Speaker 1: It's like wild, Yeah, that cracked me out, but very cool.
That's just the full on like Easter Egg sequence in there.
Then that's really really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole child garden, and it's cool because it
was like the big feature of Sonic Grench jew Battle.
And that's just another thing on why I feel like
this movie is just like a remake of that and
obviously a major factor on why I enjoyed it as
much as I did. Another I don't even know if
i'd call an easter egg, but just a nod is
when Shadow goes on his motorcycle, which is just so random.
It's so random that he has like a perfect motorcycle
that fits him. It's like God is aesthetic to it.
I'm assuming he can't just supercharge like any vehicle like
it seemed like it was very like tune to his power.
And he has this handgun that he never uses at
any other point in the movie. It was just mostly
to be like, hey, remember the game Shadow the Hedgehog,
because that's like like in that game, you ride on
a mostcycle and you have guns and shit, and and
this was a lot more of like a maybe a
more appropriate version of like instead of just having him
with like a glock ten just fucking shooting like he's
the super Predator, it was more of like a laser blaster,
like it was just like different audio effect. I'm like, yeah,
this makes more sense in a kid's movie as opposed
to just having him with like a glock ten. But yeah,
he never uses it again at any other point in
the movie, and there's no like mention to like why
he has that device. I guess the Professor might have
made it for him, but it just seems weird that
he would even need it because he's just so.
Speaker 3: Powerful without weapons and stuff.
Speaker 2: Which device the handgun when off the ground, right, Oh, Okay,
I missed that stole Okay, sorry, I missed that. I
thought he just had like he just pulled it out
of his pocket, so I definitely missed that, So that
makes more sense. But it just felt like a credit
to like the game Shadow of the Headshot, because it
was like the exact same imagery right when he's on
the motorcycle.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, On the note of things that the doc
would have actually made for him, I mean, he did
whip out that like black hole sucking or like a
true fear, right, So there's that. And then we saw
him after he meets up with Robotnick he starts using
his like jet pack shoes, which is really cool how
he's just floating in the halls. So I feel like
Robotnick or I should say Gerrawl actually kind of decked
him out with some stuff when they met.
Speaker 2: Finally, No, that's true, and that that's again like another
like I guess example, on what he got out of
like the gun research. It looked like when they like
pulled them out of the meteorite, he already had the
boots and everything on.
Speaker 3: And there is no explanation.
Speaker 2: It's just I was always the under the impression that
like gun gave him that stuff because he is this
like military weapon, so of course they're gonna be like
souping them up. And actually you reminded me too, I
remember in Sonic Finish too battle because he never has
this like chaos power to what it is, like he
uses the chaos emeralds to really pop off and like
do the blinking that he does. So I always just
and I don't even know it was just my own
hand cannon or if it was actually explained, but I
always just assumed that he had the rocket boots because
in the video game, when you start moving and you
get like full tilt, that's when the boots turn on.
So I always said, like that's how he's able to
go as fast as Sonic, So Sonic is always faster
than him, so he has these like gadgets to be faster,
and then of course he gets the Chaos Emeralds, and
then he starts just really getting to what more the
chaos powers are. And now that I say that more,
it's funny because they are still calling it chaos powers.
It's just they're not attributing it to the Chaos Emeralds,
which is probably more to what like the I'm not
gonna say the True Cannon, but like the original stories
and stuff kind of went about because yeah, and like
with his the Black Orb thing, I just imagine that
would have been again like the Professor turning his natural
chaos energy into like devices, and obviously for Gun because
that's how they got this big, you know, star killer base,
right like the Death Star. Essentially it was it was
the Gun guys that wanted to make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that space station was freaking crazy. Yeah goodness.
Speaker 2: So in the again going to the game, sonovis do
battle like the big Death Star thing. It's actually just
called the Arc and it's it's like a base in
the moon. So the is like revealed to like break
off and then it's like this it literally looks like
the Death Star, but it has like Eggman's face, and
that's like the weapon. It's kind of Doctor Evil in
the sense of like I'm gonna destroy the world unless
you give me a million dollars or like, you know,
whatever the whatever it actually was in the game, but
that was kind of the difference there is it's like
a space station as opposed to just like this big weapon.
But I mean when it's actually moving around, like, it's
very similar in the game. It starts like crashing towards
Earth kind of like what happens. He well, I guess
it's not really crashed towards Earth, but yeah, it's it's
firing on Earth. So just very similar in that sense,
but a little bit different.
Speaker 1: That cracked me up when Jim carreyes again Robotic they
successfully moved the firing beam off of Earth and he's like, oh,
I did it. I did it. Then it like slices
the fucking moon in half. He's like, what did you
guys do? Like it's just so so seamless, And I
was not expecting that. That was just it's crazy, a
crazy shot. But in the fallout of that as well,
that the station blows up, it's gonna have all this
like it's gonna basically annihilate the Earth with the radioactive atmosphere,
and Sonic here really or sorry, Shadow really really shines
because he kind of cemments himself in his hero mode
with Robotnick because they both team up to save the Earth. Yeah,
save the Earth. And I really liked that scene a lot.
That was a lot of fun. I had another thing
I want to shut out, and I have it no
longer on my mind.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite moments was like when that like
theme song comes in when Sonic and Shadow both go
super mode and they're just popping off and that's like
the last level in the game, and that was like
just always my favorite climax sequence because there's two campaigns
in the game. There's the good story and then there's
like the evil story or dark story, whatever you're calling it.
And the last on both of those campaigns was either
Sonic like handling the Arc or Shadow handling the Arc,
and they're very similar missions, so like depending on what
character you are, that's when you go like supermode and
you kind of just handle the biz of what it is.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I like that moment.
Speaker 2: I found it hilarious when it just like goes like
freeze frame and they're like posing in front of the camera,
you know, it like goes slow and they just stand there.
I kind of chuckled to myself, but yeah, no, I
I did like the whole climactic ending, and I don't know,
I thought it was a decent enough like evil reveal
from like the older Robotnik, like he's just so angry
at the world, he's just gonna murder it. And he's
like and then US two and then just like again
young young Jim Carrey or young Doctor Eggman as Jim
Carrey is just like his reaction and like wait a minute,
like what did I sign up for? And just yeah,
his uh what followed was just really hilarious for me
because we already kind of talked about the battles that
they did and it was just.
Speaker 3: So goofy and wonky and yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take probably our last ad break here and
we'll be right back. I keep just remembering different things
with Robotnik, like when they had those suits on that
were like reflective and like we talked about it off
air briefly, but the whole dance number was so quirky
and like when long too, it was a long sequin.
It felt like a blade a glory kind of moment
because Geral just like he like jumps up and wraps
his legs around robotneck's waist and his like arms back
like a full on crazy crazy performance. But I enjoyed it. It
made me laugh. It was freaking hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so shocked when it happened because it's
just it like it's like CGI level of just movements.
I'm like, this is like it's clearly not Junkard doing
some of these actual dance moves here. And yeah, I
thought it went on very long, but I enjoyed the
most most of it, that's for sure. Yeah, it was
just so wild, like it's just like so random, like
we could just dance in there and then they just
do these like almost Fortnite level emotes, like it's just
so ridiculous. Everything else going on with the lights didn't
really make sense. How like their heads weren't getting just
decapitated because you only.
Speaker 1: Go up to the neck, so it made zero sense.
Speaker 2: It didn't and like you can see like lasers like
bouncing off of them, and it just didn't really do anything,
so a little bit uh inconsistentcy there.
Speaker 1: But the the other thing I want to shout out
was I love Knuckles in this movie so much, and
it just pains me that that Knuckle show did not
ah I didn't do better because he's so frickin funny
and the way he talks when they're like one, two
three team Sonic and he's like team Knuckles, Like I
just Alba does such a great job voice in his character.
He just cracks me up with his humor and how
he's just like talking and mumbling about like like well,
my teeth are also muscle. He's so freaking funny. And
then when we get this moment here where he's scared
of ghosts and it cuts to like them watching Casper
and he starts to like scream and squeezes Sonic and
tails his hands and they're like freaking out from the pain,
and it cuts off after that where how does Knuckles
say it? He's like ghosts aren't friendly or that ghost
wasn't friendly or something like that. He's so freaking just adorable.
It just cracks me up. So he's definitely a highlight
for me in this Tails was just Yeah, he's cute.
I liked him having that little one on one moment
with the Henchman Robotics Henchman where he's like, oh, you know,
I'm best friends with Sonic. I'm not as like subservient
or anything like that, Like I just like your friends
with Robotic and the way the guy is just like
I don't I think he was okay and how it was,
but I would have loved Scenari. You're like a Tim
Curry from home alone to quivering like the bell hop,
like after he was slapped, Like I would have loved
it if you get that moment where he's like, yeah,
I am friends with Robotnik and then give me like
that tear and like the quivering lip.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that was a character that I enjoyed.
I enjoyed him the most.
Speaker 2: In this movie out of all of his appearances, and
like it like the humor that was meant to be
funny off the character I feel like didn't really work
for me. It was mostly just like seeing him and
his reactions to like things that were going on, and
like when the two Robotanicks are like going up and
they're like, yeah, you guys, stay back and uh you know,
keep the crab on a low boil, he tells them,
and then he's going down there. He's like, come on, Shadow,
I got some avocados. We can make some guac. And
it's just like I just like burst out laughing because
it was so fucking random, and I'm like, this character
is so goofy, but if it very much fits and
he's extremely loyal to h to Robonic.
Speaker 1: I forgot about the guac. That was really funny. Ah,
I can't necessarily think of anything else. Do you have
anything come into your minds?
Speaker 3: Uh East d Eggs not so much.
Speaker 2: You brought up Knuckles, and yeah, I was so upset
as soon as Wade appear. I completely forgot about that character,
honestly until he appeared on screen.
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was just grumpy because a the whole thing with the
Chaos Emerald in this movie, I thought it was so
fucking lazy, Like they're just like, no, we can't use
it at all, no matter what we all sign a pack,
we can't use it as soon as they need it.
It's like, okay, let's go, let's go get it. And
then Knuckles is like, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna fight
you now, which is like a big build up moment,
and then he's like, you can't make decisions right now,
you're so angry.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna kick your ass.
Speaker 2: And then what does he say, you know, I'm gonna
trust you because we made a friendly pact, even though
you're not trusting me right now, and then he just
lets him go gets the Chaos Emerald, like he's the
worst fucking guardian of the Chaos Emerald. I could have
ever imagined the Master Emerald. I keep saying Chaos Emerald,
but the Master Emerald and then the Chaos Emeralds I
guess are a part of the big Master Emerald in
this universe. But yeah, I was just so bothered by
how easy it was, where like he went through a
portal and then it's just fucking Wade, who we don't
even need to have him in this movie. I was
so grumpy because he just reminded me of Knuckles, and
I'm like, for fox sake, like I was audibly upset
when he appeared on screen. I was like shaking my head, like, oh,
I hate this, but anyways, um, yeah, I thought that
was so extremely lazy. It's just yeah, no, we don't
have the Chaos Emerald. I keep saying that the Master Emerald. Uh,
and now we have the Master Emerald, and now I
can just go up into space. I don't really know
how else they would have got into space. I feel
like maybe Tails could have like crafted a ship or something,
because he does have at least like a biplane in
the games. I feel like it's plausible you would have
made like a space ship, but you got to have
the big sonics, super Sonic and super Shadow like appearance
at the end. So I'm not bothered by the use
of the Master Emerald. I think just how we got
to it was just so lazy and just so so stupid,
like like have Knuckles be like, yeah, no, I think
we need to use it, and here it is.
Speaker 3: But so that that bothered me.
Speaker 1: Well, I forgot actually that they were gonna well I
shouldn't say forgot. I didn't expect them to actually tap
into it and use it. I totally believe them when
they was mentioned like, oh, we're not able to use it.
We had a pact and that was going to be it.
But seeing that power with Shadow and Sonic was like
that was nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool. How it worked, where like Sonic
is just super Oh my.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I'm passing you my mice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it went through the mic, through the mic, what
you had. I liked the big battle of Supersonic and
then just Shadow like straight up like I thought it
was very good visual wise. They go to like some
like ancient like Roman like architecture, ruin or something. They
just completely destroy it. But it's very ani anime like,
which is the scale of the explosions and everything that
was going on. So I was chewing that up. I
was pretty shocked when he just punched him and he
went all the way to the moon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck it.
Speaker 2: It happened though, and we went there, and I don't
know it it kind of fit the overall movie, but
uh it was just strange just seeing get punched all
the oy the moon anyways. Uh and then they just
go to collide and then of course that's when they
both get the power and uh yeah, I don't know
it worked for me, like the use of it, as
I kind of already touched upon. I just had more issues
with how they got there. But no, I thought the
battle was really awesome. Maybe a little bit too easy,
how like Shadow turns over I guess you have like
the comparison of what happened to Maria and Tom and
like very similar I did, like how uh Shadow kind
of like got that similarity, like this is the exact
same thing that he was feeling for Maria. It just
seemed like it seems like we skipped a couple steps,
I think, which is the overall transitions and even with Sonic,
like I just feel like he turned really quick to
like be super angry. I get it he was upset
over Tom, but I feel like the build up of
the last couple movies has been about like Team Sonic
and it's just like, no, fuck the team, Like I'm
gonna go on my own, and I'm like, I feel
like we're just always been here, like this is the first,
second and third movie, like same rationale through like Sonic's mindset,
curious what will happen for the next title because the
team's just only gonna be growing a noo that we
keep getting like a new version. Were you surprised that
you know, we don't see bodies or anything, So no
one's truly dead if you don't see a body, but
both Robotnik and Shadow, oh no, Shadow is in the
end credit in the second one. Right, Oh you do
know you did see the end credit.
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. I just I felt something through
the nether sphere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you got a photo for me? Okay? Uh yeah,
he shadow is definitely alive Robotic. That's where it ties
into the first post credits scene.
Speaker 2: With Metal with Metal Sonic exactly. It wasn't that created
by Robotic and like all the games and everything, So
that's where I was. I was confused because it seems
like Robotic has his hero turn right in this movie.
I guess it's a common enemy, so it makes sense
the the hero moment.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it all depends on what I mean, how
they're going to tackle the story. Because did you see
the Sonic four news that they dropped this week?
Speaker 3: No? What is it?
Speaker 1: So? From Variety Parma Pictures, Sonic the Hedgehog four is
coming Spring twenty twenty seven, a couple of years, a
couple of years, so who knows. You might see Jim
Carrey coming back to play this character again.
Speaker 3: If it's a golden script.
Speaker 1: If it's golden script, yeah, so did you see anything?
I will send you the photo right now so you can.
Speaker 2: Because I like the first end credit scene. Of course,
seeing Metal Sonic is like a big villain. I thought
that was great, and then I thought like the Amy
appearance was just really hype. Yes, in the video games
and even like the old show I used to watch,
Amy actually always kind of annoyed me, like she's just
super obsessed with Sonic and she's just like in love
with Sonic throughout all of them, and like she's just
annoying at that at that point. But you know, her appearance,
it was like a it was like when Captain Marvel
shows up in endgame or yeah, endgame, uh and just
completely pops off Like That's that's how it felt with
her big hammer.
Speaker 3: So I thought it was I thought it was a
cool reveal.
Speaker 1: The crowd went wild when they figured out it was
Metal Sonic, Like my theater was just oh yeah, oh
my god. They were just going absolutely bonkers. But in
that photo I sent you there, so basically, do you
remember when Shadow was about to push the spaceship he
takes his ring. Yeah, that's exactly it. And so in
here in the end credits scene, and you see this
like crater on Earth and you see the rings in
the crater and then you see these shoes him walk
up and he picks up his rings.
Speaker 3: I see cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's basically just confirming that he's still alive,
which I'm glad. I like seeing the more characters kind
of keep on growing and hearing and all that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think because I did have some
issues with is like the speed of like house Shadows
going through all these different decisions, it just was like
very simple. It's like, Okay, yeah, no, I'm a good
guy now, Like they just bonded pretty easily. Now that
we're gonna be getting the character back, I'm just hope
that maybe I'll have more time to flesh out the
character because if he was just like shown here, it
would have been a little bit of a rush, like
full character arc for me. And yeah, but who knows,
maybe if we see him again, he's just like a
straight up good guy and he's just he's just a
part of the Sonic crew now, and there isn't much
more about it. But I think there's just an interesting
thing about the character is that he is like so
dark and like just he has different goals than like
what a traditional like robotic villain has or something, because
he's not just a straight villain's he's mad at the
world and specifically like Gun, and he's very powerful, but
he's still you know, he's got a niggody center. He's
still a little softy in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if they kind of continue
on with that a little bit where I mean, he's
still a wanted fugitive from Gun Sonic's team and family.
They're not so even after breaking into the headquarters, but
you have maybe Gun still tailing after him and Shadows
just kind of like fighting them off. Still here and
there on the run, trying to hide. But yeah, I'm
I know, I don't think he's gonna be going elsewhere.
He's gonna be sticking around for sure, I imagine, especially
now that we got Metal Sonic and Amy. So that
was really cool. That was really really awesome to see
more of these characters. It's just such a big, loud
collection of characters that we got and oh, it's exciting.
Speaker 2: Wait till we get Big in there. Do you remember
Big Big the Cat? No, he was a giant cat
with a fishing rod and he would I think he
was in the TV like one of the TV animated
shows but he was also in Sonic DX. That's where
they had more of those different side characters. I don't know, I,
like I said earlier, like my favorite parts about these
are the actual Sonic characters themselves, and they just look
so good animated wise, So let's just get more of
them in there, you know, let's just rack up this budget.
Speaker 3: Let's let's get this right up there.
Speaker 1: There's definitely a few like Jet a Hawk, Rouge the Bat.
Speaker 2: She was a big character in Sonic Benshed two Battle.
She was like a Knuckles equivalent. So, like again how
I said, there's a hero side and a dark side,
and every time that would be like a Tails level,
it would be a Doctor Robotic equivalent level. Anytime that
there was a Knuckles level, there was a Rouge equivalent level.
And then of course the same thing with Sonic in
Shadow because it's like there's a good sign of dark side,
but it's basically like the exact same version of the character,
just you know, doing their own levels, but they're still cool.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Silver the Hedgehog?
Speaker 3: Yes? I did. What game was that in?
Speaker 1: That was one of the Sonic rivals Sonic and Sonic Riders. Oh,
sporting characters Sonic and the Secret Rings.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I played the reason why I was
exposed to this character, and same thing with like Blaze
the Cat. Uh, there was I think in Sonic DX
there was like a cassine No level where you like
go through and you play like basically pinball. You're like
on a pinball track, and there's like different like aesthetics
of characters. And I remember seeing those characters in there,
but didn't really like experience them through the show or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that through them, well, depending how many more
movies we get, they're just gonna be trickling in characters
and like a kind of a cohesive way moving forward.
And I feel like that way is how characters were
kind of introduced. Now I am not an expert on
how these characters are introduced, but I feel like originally
it was Knuckles, then Tail are Sorry Sonic, then Tails,
then Knuckles, and then Shadow and then you had Amy
and Metal Sonic. I feel like they're just kind of
bringing out these characters the same way that they're kind
of introduced in the games over time, which is great
because you can't just do like Sonic and Sonic One
then Sonic two comes out, and you just do like
Vector the Crocodile or Bark the polar Bear or Metal
Sonic forgot about that one. Just those those crazier obscure characters.
But they're all very very cool though, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think I hit like all my main all
my main points. Yeah, No, I think I'm east dragged
out as well. I probably like there's probably even more
that I didn't even catch honestly throughout the film. But yeah,
I I and closing, I really really had a great
time with this film. I'm really glad that I saw
it with friends. It would have been I think a
different experience scene alone. There was just a good So
you didn't go with Madison alone.
Speaker 1: I was alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you still had a good time though. Yeah,
you're feasting off the energy of the crowd. Where do
you sit when you go to a solo movie? Like
for me, I notoriously go like in the corner, you know,
the the fucking Harry Osbourne gift of me up in
the crowd looking down. That's always that's always kind of
my specific.
Speaker 1: Even Travis got weird like spots you gotta go to
and you just go dead center, as I'm always dead center.
Speaker 3: This guy sitting right I was writing, and then you
sit right in front of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, between in between two kids from two separate groups,
and they're just like wide kid. When I sat down,
the kid on my right, he had he moved his
drink from his cup holder to the other side of
his cup holder and his snacks. I was like, man,
I don't know, I'm not gonna lean over there. I'm
gonna lean on the other side. And if you're being mean,
I'm just a thirty year old man alone at a kid's.
Speaker 3: That's fair, though.
Speaker 2: I feel like whenever I sit down, my drink is
not going on the stranger side who knows you roofing
me or something? Who knows you can't trust, can't trust
the people out there that they can't.
Speaker 1: Continue.
Speaker 3: I will continue now what was I continue?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, final final new thoughts. Yeah. No.
Speaker 2: I had a great time with this film as like
a hardcore Sonic bench too battle fan. This was this
was a good time. I think I would have preferred
more of like those classic songs because like they had
the theme in here, I think it was like a
little bit different, but like I literally still listen to
songs from from that soundtrack, like City Escape.
Speaker 3: That's like an.
Speaker 2: All time banger for me, And uh, I gotta add
that to my snowboard playlist actually, because like the first
level in the game is sonic and he he's like
captured by gun, jumps out of a plane and he
like gets a snowboard out of like one of the
helicopter propellers. It makes no sense, and then he just
he's like snowboarding down like the street, like there's no
snow or anything. It doesn't make any sense, but let's
just he's escaping from the city. And yeah, the soundtrack
is just popping. So I think personally I would have
enjoyed more of it, but for what we got, it
was it was good. So yeah, I liked like the
whole adventure and yeah, it was just it was such
a goofy, weird time with Jim Carrey in that role
and he brought his egg. I'm okay if we say
goodbye to Maddie and Tom going forward, you know, like
I guess there are our pillars that keep our characters
to this Earth world, but yeah, I'm just they don't
really do much for me overall in the story. But uh, regardless,
I still had a really good time with this movie,
and I like I was saying, like, I'm a fan
of this universe. I'm excited to keeping like going with
this franchise. And has it just been me, you and
me for all these reviews.
Speaker 1: I could have swore Travis was on on the first one.
Maybe the first one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I felt like we had a third. But regardless,
I'm gonna be there for four. I'm sure you'll be
there with me. I'll be there, yeah, hell yeah. So
for this movie, I don't really know what I rate
the other ones at. I'm gonna give this one for
enjoyment wise. It's tough because because I don't remember what
I rat it at. I like this more than all
than the other one. So it is my favorite Sonic movie.
But I think I'm gonna give it.
Speaker 1: TheInk.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it an eight.
Speaker 2: Point nine, not quite that nine ranking, and like again,
it's just based on my personal enjoyment of it. Technical wise,
it's probably it's probably much lower than that, but uh
maybe not much lower than that.
Speaker 3: It's lower than that, but uh, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Know I this is the this is the movie that
I wish I had as a as a wee young lad,
and I still enjoyed it as an old lad.
Speaker 3: So yeah, eight point nine is my is my rating?
Speaker 1: Tonight point nine? Well, well said, yeah, So I think
Jim Carrey was great. He was fantastic as robot Nick.
I loved it. Not all the jokes hit, that's okay,
I was still laughing. And it's just a fun movie.
You have a really good time with it. The action
is awesome, and you just you have to go in thinking, Okay,
it's not a perfect movie, but kids are gonna have
a great time. There's some stuff in here that you
know you're gonna enjoy as a as an adult too,
because like even when Sonic and Friends are talking to
James Marsten and the dog is like you stole my
my Humans and stuff with quick little things like that,
that's like subtitles. So not every kid's gonna pick up
on that. But if it's jokes for the adults, and
I appreciate that, keeping engaging moments for both younger and
older audiences, I think that I think that they should
absolutely continue doing this universe. It's great. I'm excited that
Sonic four is a thing and as long as they
keep it to the big screen, don't do any more
TV shows. I think we're onto something there. I yeah,
I'm gonna go probably, I'm not gonna go as high
as you. I'm gonna go an eight out of ten,
eight out of ten. I was thinking maybe like a
seven out of ten, but talking with you and all
the highlights and whatnot, at eight eight seems a bit
more reasonable because it's it's definitely a lot of fun
and I think I think seeing in theaters is good.
But I'm not gonna hold it against you if you
choose not to, because it's something could definitely wait and
just watch at home. But it's definitely a good I'd
say it's a very good, actually Christmas family movie, especially
like your kids are into the into the Sonic stuff
and into playing video games in general. It's this movie
is definitely gonna do better than the Minecraft movie and
the borer Lands movie. That's those are my predictions. Although
I did get a Minecraft preview when on this movie
was in the theater, and the kid behind me when
Jack Black's character made like his Minecraft sor the kid
behind me like it sounded like he was gonna just
ascend he was like, ah, like holy fuck, that was
like the be all end all moment for him.
Speaker 3: But well, yeah, who knows, I praise, I praise. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, Sonic The
Hedgehog three Review in the books, we will be back
with Dexter Couture Commandos and all this other fun stuff.
And if you don't hear from us, or you're just
choosing it to drop out now, then yeah, well Merry Christmas,
Happy holidays, and uh sinara.
Speaker 3: Syonara, my boy m