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<v Speaker 1>well in Francis Heat York Show. They're still not an

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<v Speaker 1>easy beat. Welcome to the twenty sixth episode of Poetry

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty or should I call that Rugby League Poetry

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty or maybe I should call it John Super

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<v Speaker 1>League Poetry three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top

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<v Speaker 1>tier of British rugby league. My name is Lee Addison.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I I say you're copying your hero John? You've

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<v Speaker 1>got glasses on all or they are a bit wonky.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that affects your vision. You've You've

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<v Speaker 1>got a straighten up mate, you know if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to look good like me. I'm a coach in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>John a journalist in the UK. Please read the descriptions

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<v Speaker 1>for more detail. This podcast is being air on the

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<v Speaker 1>Ashy Rugby League Rugby League Coach podcast platforms and if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to watch a video, it'll be on the

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League Coach YouTube channel. If you subscribe to all

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<v Speaker 1>those you won't miss a thing. Are we still on

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby league dot com? John, I believe we are, Yes, regularly. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a surprise for you. I didn't prepare you

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<v Speaker 1>for this, but there's a reason for that. I want

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<v Speaker 1>your instant reactions. Jordan Melling, you may remember, wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>us about a month ago with some points about touch

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<v Speaker 1>rugby in England. Well, he's been back in touch as

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan and he called it a ramp. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>Lee's laugh, but also also there's some interesting points in here.

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<v Speaker 1>He called it a ramp, but I've called it the

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<v Speaker 1>Melling Manifesto. Okay. So he wrote me a big long

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<v Speaker 1>email highly hope you're well, just listening to this week's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and wanted to give you my unsolicited ideas on how

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<v Speaker 1>to improve British rugby league. Wanted to know both your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts as fellow rugby league realist, stroke tragics. First one

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<v Speaker 1>shortened the season, improve the product, and he says rugby

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<v Speaker 1>league is way too intense of a sport to play

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<v Speaker 1>the games they are currently playing. Stars are constantly injured

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<v Speaker 1>portions of the season like any meaning or intensity. I

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<v Speaker 1>would get rid of Magic Weekend as a quick fix

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<v Speaker 1>for this. Its purpose was to promote the sport in

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<v Speaker 1>non rugby league areas. You turn up the utilized road

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<v Speaker 1>games like Doubling Doubleheaded next year instead. I would also

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<v Speaker 1>cut four games from the season bottom fourth in the

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<v Speaker 1>previous season, only play the top four once rather than

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<v Speaker 1>home and away. This would also mean we can align

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<v Speaker 1>the season with the NRL.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's some interesting points. I do agree

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<v Speaker 2>about shorting the season. I think it is i ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>the intense sport and we don't probably see the stars

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<v Speaker 2>of the gaming off on the field because of injuries

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<v Speaker 2>and burn out and things like that. I love the

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<v Speaker 2>on the road concept. I think we should have been

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. I know we've done for ages. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should be doing it more. We need to promote

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<v Speaker 2>it properly. Vegas, Paris, Doublin, there's lots of other places.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you get rid of Magic Weekend, I'm not so

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<v Speaker 2>sure about that. I do like Magic Weekend, But if

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<v Speaker 2>we're going on the road, maybe three or four cities,

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<v Speaker 2>new cities every year, then I can understand why we

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<v Speaker 2>would part that, and it would have to be a

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<v Speaker 2>central event as opposed to clubs organizing their own on

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<v Speaker 2>the road games.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to pretend in response to your answer

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm Nigel Wood or whoever the new see always

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe they're still not announced it. Obviously I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about the bottom line. So we scrap games, or

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm a club chairman, club owner, we scrap games.

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<v Speaker 1>That means less income. How do you bring that back in? Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of Magic Weekend, I think there's a genuine

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<v Speaker 1>conversation to be had about that because I do think

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby league fans are being are being forced to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for too much now and I think something like the

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<v Speaker 1>Challenge Cup is being affected so that I think out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Las Vegas Magic Weekend trips to Dublin or

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<v Speaker 1>France Grand Final Challenge Cups, finishing bottom of the pile,

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<v Speaker 1>I think in terms of the crowd, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>they've got that balance slightly wrong. So there's a few

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<v Speaker 1>ways they've got to be imaginative, and I can do

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<v Speaker 1>person as a rule, So I think, you know, let's

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a big game package where people can

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<v Speaker 1>just buy the big games for a discounted price or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, because that's the problem, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with Jordan's manifesto, the Melling manifesto. Somebody at the RFL,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody at the clubs is always going to come back

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<v Speaker 1>with a business a business reason why they can't do

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<v Speaker 1>it or or why they're doing what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I agree with you on that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the discounting thing is interesting though, because that's what Rugby

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<v Speaker 2>Leagu's done for ages, isn't. It's like, well, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>move some tickets, so we'll give away twenty quid tickets

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<v Speaker 2>or fifteen tickets or whatever. And in a way, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I do understand that it kind of we're just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of saying our product as an indirector or a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of unconscious way of saying our product's not good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we need to do is expand the

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<v Speaker 2>fan base. And you are right, we are asking fans

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for a lot, but we need to just

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<v Speaker 2>we need more fans. We need to not just keep

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<v Speaker 2>going to the same hardcore one hundred, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand saying by this, by this, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we need to double that and make it

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I agree, but not all of that hardcore are

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<v Speaker 1>coming either, So there's a reason for that, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would have thought in the cost of living

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<v Speaker 1>crisis that we seem to have been in for five

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<v Speaker 1>years now, that would be a problem. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I don't think there's any problem when I say discounting,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say anything about bringing it down to fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>pounds or twenty pounds. I'll just you know, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what do you pay for a big

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<v Speaker 1>game ticket? One hundred pounds. Let's just use that as

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<v Speaker 1>an example. Five big events. You knock it down to

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred if you're going to go to all five

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<v Speaker 1>and you've essentially got a mini season ticket right for

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<v Speaker 1>those big events. The other thing is you can have loyalty,

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<v Speaker 1>so the more you spend, so if you've got season

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<v Speaker 1>ticket at your club, then you you qualify for this

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<v Speaker 1>extra discount kind of thing. So I just need to

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<v Speaker 1>think laterally as a game. And also because there's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely a reason why the Challenge Cup is slipping off.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely a reason. I think one of them is financial. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Challenge Cup final was in Manchester, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we'd get twenty thousand more fans just because Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>Manchester quite possibly. Yeah, bring back the War of the

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<v Speaker 1>Roses is point two of mister Melling's manifesto. The sport

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<v Speaker 1>needs more eyeballs and also needs a competitive trial for England.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know by saying bring back the War of

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<v Speaker 1>the Roses if you want Yorkshire and Lancashire to genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>have a war or the Rugby League a rugby league

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<v Speaker 1>version of it. But he says, have some humility and

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<v Speaker 1>copy and paste state of origin. I think I know

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<v Speaker 1>what it means. Now, trial it with a one off

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<v Speaker 1>game first and grow a huge opportunity. Mister pre ashes

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<v Speaker 1>when people argued between Connor and Lewis, struck Williams and

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<v Speaker 1>Smith as halfbacks. Lean into the Yorkshire Lancashire rivalry again,

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<v Speaker 1>encourage leniency on the biff. People want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm probably a little bit on the fence on

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<v Speaker 2>this one, Lee because I know it's been tried before.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you would have been across it when it

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<v Speaker 2>was around. Really caught fire, did it? I know there

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<v Speaker 2>is a rivalry between Yorkshire and Lancashire. Is it that strong?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not sure. My other concern is unlike Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>where I mean it happens to at least recently, probably

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent of the players have come from New

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<v Speaker 2>south Well and Queensland. In England there's a bit more variety,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it. Like where do the Cumbrians? Where do they fit? So?

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<v Speaker 2>Where do the people? Where are the people from London?

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<v Speaker 2>You know where they're from, Murdyside like it's I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's as clear Carda's origin to your

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<v Speaker 2>first point about it didn't really work. They didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>it very well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember, yeah, the two thousand and two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, two thousand and two, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Origin series that they had and the players were

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<v Speaker 1>played on a Sunday. They were in camp with the

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<v Speaker 1>teams on a Monday and playing on the Friday, so

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<v Speaker 1>there was no training the sort of going on. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the Lancashire Origin players from Wigan telling me that

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<v Speaker 1>Ian Millward basically took him on the drink for two

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<v Speaker 1>days to bond them so that clubs aren't going to

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy that, et cetera, et cetera. Now I want to

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<v Speaker 1>combine Jordan's Sorry, mister Mellings because we need to get

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<v Speaker 1>the Mellings manifesto. Thinking, I want to combine his first

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<v Speaker 1>two points. If there's some way we can make money

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<v Speaker 1>out of a break in the season for something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and that might include something else, I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>if we can have some kind of financial incentive for

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<v Speaker 1>clubs to promote this and get something back from it,

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<v Speaker 1>then I think it's worth a discussion. I said that

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six years ago and I still believe in that

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<v Speaker 1>concept again. And I think one of the things rugby

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<v Speaker 1>league gets very wrong in England is that we try

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<v Speaker 1>and deny that we're a northern sport. Well being a

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<v Speaker 1>northern sport is actually the core of what we are

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<v Speaker 1>as a sport. Coronation Street is unapologetically northern and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a worldwide phenomenon. Trust me, people still watch it in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>So and that's on the other side of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the rock that we inhabit. So and I

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<v Speaker 1>assume all of Asia are just obsessed with Coronation Street.

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<v Speaker 1>But my point being is is is it's it's proudly northern,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas we seem to struggle with that. So the Yorkshire

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<v Speaker 1>Lancashire rivalry has only died off because nobody plays on

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. And I think there'll be many people in

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire who still think about Yorkshire as a republic and

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<v Speaker 1>anything on the other side of the Pennines is a

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<v Speaker 1>problem to them. So whereas I think, I think Lancashire

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<v Speaker 1>as a rule has probably become a bit more manchester centric,

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<v Speaker 1>probably as a result of having a couple of Manchester mayors.

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<v Speaker 2>So having all the borders change and keep changing every

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty years as well, you know Cheshire, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, don't tell anybody in Saddleworth. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>this is above my pay grade.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the borders keep changing, it kind of makes

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<v Speaker 2>your identity to a particular area a bit fluid. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the point that, as you said, Darfl, I've done

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<v Speaker 2>it before and they didn't really do it properly. I

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<v Speaker 2>had zero faith that if we did it now it

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<v Speaker 2>would work. I think the only way it could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>work is if we outsourced it to And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it has to be the homes, but say Eddie

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<v Speaker 2>Hearn and you say, look, can you you know we'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you this event. Do what you want with it,

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<v Speaker 2>have fun with it. I think we'd need a completely

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<v Speaker 2>fresh approach and a very different way to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to market it and to get media engaged. And we

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<v Speaker 2>did a broadcaster to back it as well, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there's really a broadcaster in the UK who's

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<v Speaker 2>arguably that interested. I mean, we we'd probably have to

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<v Speaker 2>go with a full social social media approach, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stream it live on YouTube, you know, instagram the shit

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<v Speaker 2>out of it and do it that way. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there's probably the current knowledge in the game

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<v Speaker 1>Point number three of the Melling Manifesto social media promo.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoever is in charge of the Super League Instagram account

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be relieved of their duties and mid immediate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bit harsh again, copy and paste the NRL,

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<v Speaker 1>post the scores and the hits as soon as they can.

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<v Speaker 1>Every reel is embarrassing and corny. I'm just having a

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<v Speaker 1>look at it now. I don't think it's that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing about social media is everybody under the age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty five ish has an opinion on him. Opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>Opinions on social media are like oursehols. Everybody under thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five has got one.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just I've just had a cursiory glance at the

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I think the difference I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram specifically, but I think the difference with the NRL

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<v Speaker 2>is the they're very good and quick at getting up

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<v Speaker 2>the best moments, the best try is the big hits online,

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<v Speaker 2>like five minutes after they happen in a game. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>in Super League, it might take a day, it might

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<v Speaker 2>take two days, it might not happen. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's something in the future we should be employing someone

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<v Speaker 2>or a couple of people who's literally their job is

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<v Speaker 2>just to click, you know, get the highlights, the talking

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<v Speaker 2>points of the drama out and clip that up and

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<v Speaker 2>get it across all social media.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's about knowledge of social media, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also about knowledge of current employment systems. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can literally get somebody overseas to do this for pittance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>A complicated you know, I film the occasional grab or

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<v Speaker 2>interesting moment and put it on my channels, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it might be newsworthy or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't religiously go through every game or innyview, but

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't cost necessarily much at all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what the Super League are doing very well

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<v Speaker 1>is it take long for five minute highlights to come

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<v Speaker 1>onto YouTube, for example. So I think I think mister

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<v Speaker 1>Melling has been a little bit harsh there. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think some of these things can improve though. International mid

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<v Speaker 1>season test is Melling's manifesto point number four England have

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<v Speaker 1>to play a meaningful game mid year of pre planned

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<v Speaker 1>international calendar for every four years has to be put

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<v Speaker 2>Again. In theory, I'd love to say it's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 2>The reality, easily, like a lot of these things, is

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<v Speaker 2>that the English game has no money. So who they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to pay to get over? They can't afford to

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<v Speaker 2>pay a team to fly over, you know, to Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>to play or to go that way, so it isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Promote London drop Huddersfield, says mister Melling. Need a club

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<v Speaker 1>in the capitol that now seem viable and properly back.

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<v Speaker 1>Giants have offered little to nothing over the past five

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<v Speaker 1>years five years and seem unlikely to be unlikely to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to play anywhere, but Jewsbury unacceptable?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say that you'd want to unleash them in

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<v Speaker 2>the championship.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if we're going to be current, they're actually not

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<v Speaker 1>done too bad today, have they? Maybe maybe in urgence

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I was, I was at the game and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we'll talk about that later, but that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they played very well and you had to feel for

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<v Speaker 2>them losing that game in the last twelve seven eight

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<v Speaker 2>seconds because they had a real dig. They shared a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of all the character. Yeah, I mean I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think London should. I think we needed team in

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<v Speaker 2>the capitol. I think Haddersfield have been flattering for years

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't really you know that they're on field

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<v Speaker 2>for fortunes may change, but I don't see the stadium

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<v Speaker 2>or the fan base or you know, the leadership issue changing.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, i'd been favored that I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>see fifteen teams, but yeah, I could see the merits

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<v Speaker 2>of Addersfield go down and London coming in for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Point number have forgotten the number. Thursday night games have

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<v Speaker 1>to be local, no brainer. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that. I mean you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>force or make people travel, you know, six hours or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, four and a half hours on a on

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<v Speaker 2>a word. I don't know if always that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be possible with scheduling, but I think we're possible. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be That would be the beneficiar. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the idea of the Thursday night game is

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<v Speaker 2>we do struggle sometimes the crowds, but it's a perfect

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<v Speaker 2>TV night for viewing. There's hardly any live sport on

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, that's the reason why it was created,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it fulfills that purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Either scrap the Captain's Challenge or give the video rep

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<v Speaker 1>the tools to do it properly. More cameras, training to

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<v Speaker 1>actually use the cameras themselves, rather than asking another blog

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<v Speaker 1>to switch to camera five. Put a timer on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, put a time. We've said that for weeks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Move Challenge Cup final back to August Bank Holiday. The

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<v Speaker 1>comp originally was for teams that admiral chance of winning

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<v Speaker 1>the league. Therefore the final was in May a line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's somewhat with the summer season. We now have spread

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<v Speaker 1>out the games more. If you supported Hull City and

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<v Speaker 1>Hull k Are you'd have to go to Wembley twice

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<v Speaker 1>in a week. If they move the Challenge Cup from Wembley,

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<v Speaker 1>they may as well cancel it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think the Challenge Cup's got to

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<v Speaker 2>have a regular date. Moving it around every year doesn't help.

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<v Speaker 2>I think probably August or end of August is probably

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<v Speaker 2>a bit late now considering we have what semifinals in

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<v Speaker 2>September and a Grand Final in early October. I do

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<v Speaker 2>like it at Wembley, but I think there is merits

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<v Speaker 2>of taking on a bit of a road tip and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe moving it around every couple of years as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because as you've said about across the living crisis, whether

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<v Speaker 2>there's Wembley fatigue or there's just people who aren't that

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<v Speaker 2>fast with it anymore, the crowds are going down, and

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<v Speaker 2>that does seem.

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<v Speaker 1>To be I'm interested in the term crisis. I always

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<v Speaker 1>thought of crisis was relatively short term, but like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>this cost of living crisis been going on for about

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<v Speaker 1>five years. Really well, I mean, maybe it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to throw in the austerity stuff, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean started around twenty ten. So yeah, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you could just call it a malays a national malays

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<v Speaker 2>that's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Been in the UK Championship needs to become a feeder

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<v Speaker 1>comb split in two divisions Queensland Cup and New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales Cup. Style can call it the Lancashire in New

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire Cup for ceremonial purposes and split evenly. Not enough

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<v Speaker 1>money in the sport for promotion relegation, but clubs applying

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<v Speaker 1>and reviewing viability every four years could give them something

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<v Speaker 1>to work towards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think that was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>proponents about having emerged Championship with League One is regional conferences,

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<v Speaker 2>which which they didn't go with. I think they probably

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<v Speaker 2>had more merit. I mean, you're still it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>difficult one because you were still going to have I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I guess say London are in the same

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<v Speaker 2>division as Midlands Hurricanes, you know, or North Wales you

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<v Speaker 2>still might have one hundred and thirty real schooline, mightn't you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think basically we need a division for full

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<v Speaker 2>time teams and we need a division for part time

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<v Speaker 2>teams and never the Twains should meet. Really apart from

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<v Speaker 2>the Challenge Cup, there's still too many semi pro teams

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and that's a really difficult one to sort out.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you to Jordan Melling. If somebody's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take the time to write in such detail towards then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do. We'll always endeavor to go to town on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And after that though, John, I mean, we're about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes in, we probably need a high hydration break as

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<v Speaker 1>per the current World Cup that's going on. Even when

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need one, they have one. And the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing I want to know about hydration break, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>drinks break.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, unless they're going to inject themselves with liquid,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's a drinks break, isn't it and you will

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<v Speaker 1>consume it via mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know if that are they eating the

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<v Speaker 2>odd pickle or something? Isn't that true? Yeah? But you

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<v Speaker 2>outright it is a drinks break. Maybe hydration just sounds

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<v Speaker 2>more scientific.

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<v Speaker 1>Change the order on your I'm just I'm just keeping

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<v Speaker 1>you on your toes. John. Review of games from the

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<v Speaker 1>last round now Wakefield twenty nine today? Oh sorry, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>was it twenty nine or was it twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>It was twenty nine, It wasn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, Because the BBC has two different scores, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty Sorry, it was twenty nine to twenty seven I

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<v Speaker 2>was at the game. Yeah, sorry, twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty three b Yeah, this is great, This is great

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<v Speaker 1>reporting from us. Both last last ditch interception try to

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<v Speaker 1>give Wayfield the winn and apparently it was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth tries from Johnston mcneek and Simfield. Rourke

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<v Speaker 1>scored two, Jowett kicked four goals and Simfield kicked the

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<v Speaker 1>field goal. Fresh from getting his knighthood, Simfield kicked a

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<v Speaker 1>goal from Wakefield. Huddersfield's twenty three from Gaguy Geyer and

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<v Speaker 1>o'donald Jesus three. Three greats her names there from from

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<v Speaker 1>Australian rugby league folklore and Swift. Swift used to playing

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<v Speaker 1>goal for Man City and the fifties. Apparently my dad

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<v Speaker 1>told me about him. Maybe the forties goals were from

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<v Speaker 1>Franny Flanagan junior who got three and Russell got a

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<v Speaker 1>drop goal. You were at the game, so you should

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was it a game. It was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a really entertaining game. Wakefield went up ten yll early

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<v Speaker 2>and you thought, okay, yeah, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a hiding for Hoddersfield, and then Hoddersfield scored two quick tries,

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<v Speaker 2>took the lead and then it was basically tip out

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<v Speaker 2>the whole game. You know, I don't think wait for

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<v Speaker 2>or at their best, but you know, they did play

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<v Speaker 2>some good stuff at times in Huddersfield. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're really gritty. They you know, showed a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>backbone than they have all season. And then Wakefield were

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and then it got back to being tired and Sinfield,

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<v Speaker 2>with about ten minutes to go, kick the drop goal

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<v Speaker 2>that no one really saw. It was kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>usually you can anticipate when I drop goal or got

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<v Speaker 2>field goals coming. No one really saw this coming. He

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<v Speaker 2>knocked it over and we thought, okay, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Wakefield probably going to get the win. And then there

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<v Speaker 2>was about a minute and a half to go. Huddersfield

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<v Speaker 2>was throwing the ball around, weren't really going anywhere, and

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<v Speaker 2>then only Russell steps up drops a field goal and

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<v Speaker 2>we're tied up with about a minute or less than

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<v Speaker 2>a minute left and we think, okay, we'll go on

419
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<v Speaker 2>to golden point here and then Wakefield kick off. Huddersfield

420
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<v Speaker 2>bring the ball out from their trial line and Russell

421
00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.759
<v Speaker 2>throws a bit of a long pass and roke intercept

422
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.039
<v Speaker 2>certain scores with about seventy seconds left in the game

423
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>wins the game for Wed. It was Yeah, it was

424
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<v Speaker 2>very entertaining. It was a heartbreaking for hardest Field, but

425
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.119
<v Speaker 2>a sellout crowd at the do i Ware Kitchens on

426
00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:19.079
<v Speaker 2>a pretty warm summer day and it was yeah, quite

427
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<v Speaker 2>a good game, I thought.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Warrington eighteen Catalan sixteen on Thursday. I think it was

429
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<v Speaker 1>tries from Ashton, Hopowarti Bentley and three goals from Irwin

430
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<v Speaker 1>for Warrington. Catalan sixteen came from Lipovich, Coatrick and Dodd

431
00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and a goal from Oh sorry, two goals from Aspurrol

432
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<v Speaker 1>Beche Catalan's beata Warrington side that I've got a lot

433
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<v Speaker 1>of injury problems at the moment, I believe.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I watched this game. It was a terrible game,

435
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.519
<v Speaker 2>to be honest. It was just a mistake after mistake

436
00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.480
<v Speaker 2>era drop ball. Yeah, it was a real bludder of

437
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.319
<v Speaker 2>a game. I think in the most memorable bits were

438
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Aspiro Bouge obviously the tackle on Aaron Linda that was

439
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it was ugly, you know.

440
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Linda's hip drop related thing.

441
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was kind of awkward. He kind

442
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:18.240
<v Speaker 2>of fell and he tried to trip him with his leg.

443
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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't pa seic conventional hip drop, but it

444
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.440
<v Speaker 2>was just clumsy and he lind up, go down and scream.

445
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.240
<v Speaker 2>And now my understanding is that I don't think he's

446
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:31.559
<v Speaker 2>done his a cla a cl Again, it's not as

447
00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 2>serious as first feared, so that hopefully is is good news.

448
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Speaker 2>But it was horrible to see, particularly for a young

449
00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:42.119
<v Speaker 2>boat who's just come back. And then later on that game,

450
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Aspera Boujo makes a break instead of you know, pinsy's

451
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.079
<v Speaker 2>his back, instead of sort of looking around for support,

452
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:50.799
<v Speaker 2>he just tries to score on the corner. You and

453
00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Irwin makes a great tackle and Aspiro Bouja is on

454
00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:55.519
<v Speaker 2>the ground and then he passes the ball off the

455
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.079
<v Speaker 2>ground which is a penalty, and you know, the basically

456
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<v Speaker 2>kind of threw the catland through the w away. It

457
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<v Speaker 2>was damn playing and you know it was the ending

458
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>of a pretty poor game. But look what warrant and

459
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:09.559
<v Speaker 2>good at the doubt. They had quite a few injuries

460
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:10.839
<v Speaker 2>a young team, so.

461
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:13.880
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like there's something to take for both teams

462
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.240
<v Speaker 1>there though. I mean Catalans would have been big underdogs

463
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to go to Warrington and come away with the points

464
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and then they've got them close and Warrington have had

465
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<v Speaker 1>to dig deep for the win because of their injuries,

466
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>so plenty to take for both teams. Say yes, you

467
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.559
<v Speaker 1>could state that, thank you. I did cast off at

468
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:38.440
<v Speaker 1>fourteen York twenty good result for York. Tries from Vallamey

469
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.480
<v Speaker 1>who got a double, Gary Garry and Weave, a kicked

470
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to goal York's twenty from Hunter Field and off a

471
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Luma Galiano and Hunter kicked two goals late scare for York.

472
00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Very late. Yeah, first York win in a long time,

473
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 2>so very important result for them. I was at the

474
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:08.319
<v Speaker 2>league game, so I only saw the highlights, but yeah,

475
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.559
<v Speaker 2>very very very important win after everything that's been gone on,

476
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.640
<v Speaker 2>which we'll talk about it a bit financially, and after

477
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>they got absolutely batted by Wiggan the week before, so

478
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 2>a gretty performance and cast will be disappointed that they

479
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 2>couldn't real that winning. They had a late late surge

480
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 2>right at the end, but Gary Gary dropped the ball

481
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>just over the line right I think with about two

482
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>minutes ago.

483
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 1>The Lee Addison kiss of death are struck again. So

484
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>on do the luth Carry Zero Tackle podcast? And whenever

485
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 1>a praise anybody coaching wise or whatever. They then go

486
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.319
<v Speaker 1>on a six match losing run. Or if I write

487
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>an article and if you remember last week were both

488
00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:01.319
<v Speaker 1>praised Castleford and they're sort of yes, lidified approached in

489
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:06.319
<v Speaker 1>the last few weeks, and we both tipped Castleford to

490
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>win this too, so we did. Yeah, the Lee Addison

491
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>kiss of death. Leeds thirty four who KR eight, That

492
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>was a big result. I look twice when I saw that.

493
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.039
<v Speaker 1>The other day tries from Hankinson Siva only scored two.

494
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>They probably need to send him back home. He was

495
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 1>only scored two. Connor and Hanley scored a try each

496
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 1>and then Connor kicked seven goals. Jo krs eight came

497
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 1>from Booth and two Martin goals. Huge result, huge result.

498
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Microsivo is on twenty seven tries. Now the early in

499
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Island of Super League.

500
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.880
<v Speaker 2>The crazy thing is actually did quite a good job

501
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.319
<v Speaker 2>on Sevo. They got Tom Davies, got right up in

502
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>his face and closed him down in one of the chances,

503
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>and then I think another one they got about three

504
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 2>bodies over and stopped him in the corner. So they

505
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 2>actually did reason be well. But yeah, this was the

506
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Jake Connor show. Leads were very good whole car a

507
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of mistakes, a lot of stupid things, not kicking

508
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the ball out in touch to be the Panguy junior,

509
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to you know, open up a salon and give

510
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 2>out facials. There's some dumb play from whole KR who

511
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>were missing, you know, Jesse Lytton and so us So

512
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Sue and Spurgess and Luckily, but they just weren't, you know,

513
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.039
<v Speaker 2>at their best. Whole KR and Leeds you know, gave

514
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:38.519
<v Speaker 2>them a bit of a lesson and you know, you know,

515
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Leeds Leads are definitely the team to be along with

516
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Wigan and the competition at the moment. I think, you know,

517
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.359
<v Speaker 2>it's a bit of a arguably a two horse race

518
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 2>at the moment Wig in one without being great over

519
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>the weekend. But yeah, they're the two teams that are

520
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.039
<v Speaker 2>quite hot and Leads are deservedly at the top of

521
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the competition.

522
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, f C, we're close against Wigan and I believe

523
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Andy Last had something to complain about all left. He's

524
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>sixteen Wigan, twenty tries for Hull for Martin Baron cart

525
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Wright and two goals from Herdacre, but that wasn't enough

526
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>to beat Wigan, who scored tries from Eckersley, Hodgkinson, Kieran

527
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>scored his weekly try, and Smith and Kieran kicked two goals.

528
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>What was Andy Last complaining about.

529
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, I wasn't at the game. It was Steve Nascod's

530
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 2>story that one, but I believe it was to do

531
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>with the the clock disappoint disappearing sorry at several points

532
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 2>during the game. And I think he was also complaining

533
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 2>about the stoppages. Whether it was a bit of games

534
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>and ship from the opposition, I'm not really exactly sure,

535
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 2>but I think, Look, I don't think Wigan were at

536
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the try five minutes in. They did enough to you know,

537
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to come back and you know, get to win. I

538
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.079
<v Speaker 2>think there was a lovely set piece try from from

539
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>a scrum and there was a there was a horrible

540
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>kick I think it was Logan Moy the ball was

541
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>going out, tried to tap it back in but just

542
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 2>basically tapped it into Bed and French who scored a try.

543
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>So they kind of work their own worst enemy at times.

544
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Andy Last was blaming those who run the stadium clock

545
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.759
<v Speaker 2>at the MKM stadium, which is a different one. I

546
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>haven't heard that really been blawing before.

547
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Where does the official time come from? Do they still

548
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>have timekeepers who.

549
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I believe do?

550
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the clock is just the clock in the ground. Yeah,

551
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>is that just for decoration for the fans?

552
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I imagine, Well, I think the clock on the game

553
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 2>would be the game clock as well.

554
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.359
<v Speaker 1>You don't know. I suppose it depends on the technology available,

555
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it.

556
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I think he's claim that the clock

557
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.119
<v Speaker 2>was not visible on the scoreboard during the formal moments,

558
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I would imagine that's more of a stadium

559
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>issue than it.

560
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 1>But also also what a coach should do is keep

561
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>his own time. Then in that regard as well, I've

562
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 1>always done that as a coach.

563
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I Yeah, I don't think he's argument it was not

564
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 2>about the coach kiding at was that his players couldn't.

565
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Say no, no, no, you just keep your own time and

566
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.519
<v Speaker 1>then you can you know. I mean, at the end

567
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 1>of the day, mistakes do happen sometimes too, So I

568
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>mean there was nobody better than Alex Ferguson for telling

569
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the referee. This is the older United manager telling the

570
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>referee when it was full time, so he didn't rely

571
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 1>on stadium clocks or referees to determine what the time

572
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>was he used to tell them. What I find interesting

573
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 1>about the weekend too is Wigan, ok Are Warrington have

574
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 1>all underperformed this weekend really, and they're all teams that

575
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>are on the top end of the table, and therefore

576
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>in the title conversation and I just think it speaks

577
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 1>to remember last week or the week before, we spoke

578
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>about how the score lines have blown out somewhat and

579
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 1>it sort of goes in waves. Well, I think this

580
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>is another little sign as well that some of these

581
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 1>teams pushing for elite standards each week are struggling to

582
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 1>keep up with it. To lose sixteen Lee forty Lee

583
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 1>are more of a chaser, right, so their momentum is

584
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>moving them forward at the moment. Leeds, I suppose, have

585
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.559
<v Speaker 1>been somewhat inconsistent at times, so they're on an upward

586
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>trend at the moment. To lose tries came from kay Ward,

587
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Butler and Renny and two goals to Sharracks, and Lee's

588
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>forty came four from Charmly Alec WAYNK Senior and New

589
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 1>and Horn scored the rest of the tries and Cook

590
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>scored for some great names there too, so Charley, I'm

591
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>sure he was playing twenty years ago, senior related to

592
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Keith senior. Obviously, New is the same surname as David

593
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 1>New who started the game or a league in America.

594
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 1>And obviously there's been a few Horns and Cooks in

595
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 1>rugby league as well. Some great names there are you

596
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>across this game, John, I.

597
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Didn't say much of it, no, but I mean I

598
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>think it went as pretty much everyone would have predicted

599
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 2>another win for Lee. You know, they're on a bit

600
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>of a role at the moment. They're doing well. I'm

601
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 2>really putting some pressure now on Karen sixth just two

602
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 2>points below them in seventh and to loose, you know

603
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 2>pretty much. I mean they can score a couple of

604
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>tries to usually most games, but defensively, yeah, shipping forty

605
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.759
<v Speaker 2>points it's never a good sign, but.

606
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, in conditions into lose as well. Apparently.

607
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been hot all over Europe and I imagine

608
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>it was very hot in the seth.

609
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Of France Bradford ten Saint Helen's forty tries to Bradford

610
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Stein Weed and six goals sorry six points from goals

611
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>at King Kick one and Hooly got two. Saint Helen's

612
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.960
<v Speaker 1>forty came from Douglas Syon and Wellsby scored to try.

613
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Shorrecks and Hastings with the other try scorers. Hastings got

614
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 1>eight goals and the BBC described this as an nutritional contest,

615
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>which yeah, I didn't. It goes against the score line,

616
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I suppose, yeah.

617
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean I didn't really see much of this either,

618
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 2>but you know, halftime ten twelve, well Bradford behind just

619
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 2>by two points and then Saint Helen's put on twenty

620
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 2>eight points in the second half. That pretty resounding domination

621
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 2>in that second half. I thought Bradford would have given

622
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 2>him a bit more of a battle. So disappointing for

623
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 2>the Bulls, but so Helens. I think that's second win

624
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I a round now after a tough period and things

625
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 2>that are going off the field, and I'm sure we'll

626
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>talk about in a bit. So a good victory for them.

627
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 1>So everyone's played sixteen games apart from Hulkingston, Rovers and Warrington.

628
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 1>When are they going to catch that up? By the way,

629
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>it is a good question. I think it's been announced

630
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 1>stopping day.

631
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not sure off the top of my head

632
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 2>when it is, but yeah, that was the the game

633
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that had to be moved because of the World Cup challenge.

634
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>What will they do? Will they play that on a

635
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Speaker 1>Wednesday or something?

636
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something like that, I believe. Wow.

637
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 1>But everyone's played sixteen apart from those two, so Leads

638
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>are top on twenty six, Warrington second on twenty four,

639
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 1>which is good considering they've only played fifteen, Wig going

640
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>a third on twenty two. The other two on twenty

641
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.039
<v Speaker 1>two are Wakefield who were in fourth and Saint Helens

642
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 1>in fifth. We then go to Hulkington Rovers in sixth

643
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 1>who are on twenty points, but like I said, one

644
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:10.559
<v Speaker 1>less game. Lei Leppards seventh on eighteen, Catalans are on

645
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>sixteen in eight. Castleford are still in ninth on twelve.

646
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>All left c in tenth and their level with Bradford

647
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Bulls on eleventh, both on ten points to lose are

648
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 1>in twelfth with eight. They're also level with York Knights

649
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>who are thirteenth with eight and then Huddersfield Giants still

650
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.280
<v Speaker 1>prop was up.

651
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 2>York.

652
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>That result that they got John was in the shadow

653
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 1>of what has emerged this week. They might have some

654
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.239
<v Speaker 1>financial issues.

655
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did, in exclusive in the online on Thursday

656
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and in the paper on Friday. People can go out

657
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 2>and read it. But effectively, the Notts and Bolt of

658
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>the story is that York did confirm to me that

659
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 2>they asked for a advance on their monthly central distribution

660
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.760
<v Speaker 2>in May, which is about fifty grand, to alleviate some

661
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:16.360
<v Speaker 2>financial issues. Now there's a comment from Clinton Goodchild in

662
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 2>that story, but look, it's not a great look. I

663
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 2>don't know. There's a lot of rumors swelling around York

664
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>that has been we talked about last week. There has

665
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 2>been for quite some time, nothing that's been substantiated at all.

666
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Obviously I was able to stand up this central distribution claim.

667
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I think the interesting bit is that when York So

668
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 2>York applied to be in Super League last year, along

669
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>with Toulouse and I think it was five other clubs,

670
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>one of the conditions in their application was that they

671
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 2>were going to have investment from new investors. Now that

672
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 2>hasn't arrived yet. I think that's you know, that's an

673
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>issue now. You know, it's not a great look for

674
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 2>the panel that determined who would be coming into an

675
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 2>expended Superlique. But you know, my hope is that York.

676
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, can can find their way out of it,

677
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know everything's run smoothly. No one wants to

678
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.000
<v Speaker 2>see and I think some people some things tend to

679
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 2>think journalists like may love to see these stories. You

680
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 2>know that we really get excited when people don't get

681
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>paid and people you know, can't afford to pay their

682
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.039
<v Speaker 2>mortgages and they get ripped off players and stuff. No,

683
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 2>we don't. No one wants to see a club struggle.

684
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.960
<v Speaker 2>No one wants to see anyone unpaid or you know,

685
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>suffer through.

686
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 1>These reality is though you could probably copy and paste

687
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>a story, couldn't you, and just change the clubs, and.

688
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, the reality, the reality isily as you know, is

689
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 2>that these things happen, and have happened at what five

690
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 2>or six clubs in the last year or so, and

691
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're throwing a few more clubs as you go.

692
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>For you it keeps happening. And so there's a common

693
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 2>theme here and people might not want to read about it.

694
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 2>But even if I don't, you know, it still happens.

695
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Whether you want to read about it or not. You

696
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.440
<v Speaker 2>can't stick your head in the sand. And I think

697
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.840
<v Speaker 2>that you know, pretend that it's not happening. So it

698
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of does go back to the expansion, which we

699
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>all know is rush through. There wasn't a lot of detail.

700
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>And also contributing now is the fact that your can

701
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to lose. I've only got half a central distribution that

702
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the other twelve clubs have, So how would.

703
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I when we need All we need to do is

704
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:29.800
<v Speaker 1>add a couple more teams to Super League and give

705
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:34.760
<v Speaker 1>them half the money that would make Why don't.

706
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 2>We just give them no money like we did for Toronto?

707
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Just give them no money. Yeah.

708
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Your glasses, Your glasses are funny, John, When you look

709
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 1>this way out of them, they make if you look

710
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>through your lenses, it makes your head smaller inside your lenses.

711
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>That's quite funny. People can watch that on that that's

712
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.639
<v Speaker 1>what people. That's right, that's right. So, yeah, the stronger

713
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you've never worn them before.

714
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.840
<v Speaker 2>A very strong man. I wear contact lenses. But the

715
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>has been kicking my ass this week.

716
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.880
<v Speaker 1>But you've got you've got your wind screen wind screens

717
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:12.280
<v Speaker 1>on now.

718
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, getting back on points, Yeah, what we'll we'll see

719
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:19.880
<v Speaker 2>what happens with York in the new future. I think

720
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 2>you know it raises big questions about you know, the

721
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 2>finances in Super League of Clubs. You know, people quickly

722
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 2>forget what happened with Salford last year and what a

723
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, what a nightmare that was for for over

724
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:37.079
<v Speaker 2>twelve months, and that situation that Salford started with them

725
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 2>asking for an advance of central distribution in December twenty.

726
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Twenty four, promises of investment forthcoming.

727
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>And yes, and I'm not saying the same thing is

728
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 2>happening at York or will happen at York, but you know,

729
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.679
<v Speaker 2>you you'd be naive to not keep a close eye

730
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 2>on what going on. What's going on and you know,

731
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:56.440
<v Speaker 2>ask questions.

732
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Now, what Melling didn't have in the Melling manifesto, what

733
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 1>he should have is they should change the fixture list

734
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 1>and should have made Saint Helen's play Wakefield this week

735
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 1>because they were arguing off the field, so they might

736
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>as well have had a boil on the field. What's

737
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>going on there?

738
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's all about Harry robertson the well, I suppose

739
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>we call him the utility. He can play fullback in

740
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.400
<v Speaker 2>six and center, but a young glad Harry Robinson was

741
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 2>reported in the media a while back ago that Wakefield

742
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>had had a bid for him, he's under contract, had

743
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 2>a bid for him refused, and then later on, in

744
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 2>a pretty much press conference a week or so ago,

745
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Darryl Powell confirmed that they'd had a bid and that

746
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>it was rejected. And then on Friday there was a

747
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 2>quite interesting statement put out by Saint Helen's claiming they'd

748
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 2>never had any communication or contact about Harry Robinson, nor

749
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.360
<v Speaker 2>would they entertain it, and that they reported the matter

750
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 2>to the RFL and that you know, further action quite

751
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 2>be taken. So effectively they are accusing Wakefield of tapping

752
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 2>up their player. Now, I read a bit of a

753
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.840
<v Speaker 2>column about this on Friday night, which is a free read.

754
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>You can go out and read it on Patreon. It's

755
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.880
<v Speaker 2>not really about the Robinson case specifically, because I don't

756
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 2>have any inside of knowledge of who you know, whether

757
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 2>he's he was tapped up, or what's gone on there.

758
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 2>But my point is that these things, in terms of

759
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>player recruitment and players being tapped up, they happen all

760
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 2>the timely, and I'm sure you know that it happens

761
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:40.480
<v Speaker 2>with coaches too, doesn't it. It happens with coaches. It's literally,

762
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>and I mean it happens in football and in other sports,

763
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.039
<v Speaker 2>but it happens a lot in rugby league. And what

764
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:49.400
<v Speaker 2>is interesting for me is the fact that Saint Helen's

765
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.440
<v Speaker 2>have gone public about it because most clubs there's a

766
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>bit of a gentleman's agreement in it that you asked

767
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.199
<v Speaker 2>for permission before you would talk to a player or

768
00:42:59.199 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 2>a coach.

769
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>But you need, you need, you need gentlemen to have

770
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 1>that way.

771
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 2>You could say that, but as I wrote in my

772
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>in my piece, like literally this happens all the time

773
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and often what agents will do. And the interesting thing

774
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.280
<v Speaker 2>with you know, in the NRL is I think there's

775
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>probably about forty player agents or more. Is it there's

776
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a cast of thousands.

777
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:25.320
<v Speaker 1>And eighty two hundred?

778
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like it's insane. There's while in England there's

779
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 2>there's probably about ten and there's really three who have

780
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 2>probably about eighty ninety percent of the playing pool and

781
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 2>they do wield a lot of power and influence. And

782
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 2>what you know some will do is they'll leak certain

783
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>stories and this happens in Australia as well of course,

784
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 2>to certain journalists to put restaurant clubs to sell their

785
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 2>players and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But yeah,

786
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you don't generally see a club crying foul about this

787
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and asking the RFL to help them out. So that's

788
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.280
<v Speaker 2>that is an interesting one. I mean, Saint Helens are

789
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 2>a very what's the word sensitive club to a statement

790
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.119
<v Speaker 2>when they're not happy and then adding more fuel to

791
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the fire. Was at the end of the Wakefield game

792
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>today and Darryl Pearl was asked about it and he

793
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 2>called them touchy.

794
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 1>But also hasn't Lee Brias said something along the lines

795
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 1>of them having lost their identity. Responding to that that,

796
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Matt Pete said about two.

797
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 2>More tests, Yes, I believe early in the week he

798
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 2>he said, we're going to play all these young players

799
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I guess we haven't lost their identity

800
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 2>or something. So it's a really interesting time for Saint

801
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Helens because I think they're really on the defensive art there.

802
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>They've had a few more long term staff leave there,

803
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.079
<v Speaker 2>their physio, you know, the strength and conditioning guy, the

804
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.000
<v Speaker 2>head of their academy. It's a real changing of the

805
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 2>guard there, so they feel it feels like they're in

806
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 2>a bit of transition and maybe they're you know, the

807
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>they're struggling a bit it seems like they're getting it

808
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 2>from all sides, and this is a bit of a

809
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 2>response to that.

810
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe sorry, John, we've done another twenty minutes and we

811
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a hydration break and I do apologize. You're

812
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 1>not going to keel over at any point. Ye, all right,

813
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 1>make sure you have your pickle. Is the Super League

814
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>a two horse race, John, between Leeds and Wigan?

815
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean quite possibly. I don't think, Okay, our

816
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.559
<v Speaker 2>chances of doing something this year are done, but they

817
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:35.719
<v Speaker 2>are looking a bit tired and not at the elite

818
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 2>levels that they were last season. I think I still think, Yeah,

819
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I like the Broncos game. They can pull off a performance,

820
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 2>but I think if we're looking at the whole season

821
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:48.719
<v Speaker 2>as a whole, leads and we're going to be in

822
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the most consistent Warrington had been very good, but I

823
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>think without Williams and I've had a couple of other injuries,

824
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>I think they're a young team who probably haven't got

825
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.119
<v Speaker 2>a experience to go all the way, but they could

826
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>go very close. And I think Lakefield are building nicely

827
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 2>but probably aren't ready to be trophy winners just yet

828
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 2>as in this season, but I think they could. You know,

829
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 2>go quite far in the semifinals.

830
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting about what's sorry? One?

831
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.360
<v Speaker 2>No, no, that that's what I was finished.

832
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:28.599
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting about Leeds and who k Are is well,

833
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:33.559
<v Speaker 1>obviously in the NRL penrith one four straight one four straight.

834
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.840
<v Speaker 1>But the year they went to Vegas, they didn't win

835
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that competition that year. M hmm. So in other words,

836
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.119
<v Speaker 1>one proof that if you look to Vegas, you don't

837
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>win the NRL in super League. In Super League, Wigan

838
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>went to Vegas slash year against Warrington, didn't win super

839
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 1>League tailed off at the end. Who k Are Their

840
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>start to their year could definitely be a actor in

841
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>terms of them having to be ready for Vegas and

842
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the World Cup challenge. But Leeds also went to Vegas too,

843
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>so it'd be very interesting to see how that all

844
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 1>pans out.

845
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>So basically you're saying that either Wigan or Warrington or

846
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 2>someone else will win.

847
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I said, it is a study that I'm

848
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 1>carrying out currently. It's a hypothesis that I'm testing.

849
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>I think the interesting point with Leeds is they've smashed

850
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.159
<v Speaker 2>whole Gayer twice this year. I think they've beat them

851
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 2>twice last year. They do seem to be a bit

852
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.199
<v Speaker 2>of a bogie team for HOLK and they do have.

853
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>They play a much more expensive style and they've they've got,

854
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, some really great attacking weapons and I think

855
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.760
<v Speaker 2>they can they can play physical and they can play

856
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 2>grinding footy, but they also like to offload and spread

857
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.039
<v Speaker 2>the balls, so they have got a few different levels

858
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 2>to them, which you know, is a very confident team

859
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 2>at the moment.

860
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much of Hull k R's performance or

861
00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>that the man in charge is not going to be

862
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 1>in charge and they now on the phone to Nathan

863
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Kayala is trying to sort the contracts out for next

864
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:10.119
<v Speaker 1>year because he's confirmed as the new hul Kingston Rovers boss.

865
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't I don't think that really. I've seen

866
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of fans say Willie Peters has already got

867
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 2>his eyes on P and G. I think that's bollocks. Personally,

868
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's any anything to do with it.

869
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they have confirmed Kalas. We did talk about

870
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 2>this last week a fair bit. Obviously. I wrote the

871
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Speaker 2>story on Sunday that he was the front runner and

872
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 2>lo and behold, on Tuesday they announced it. Yeah, it's

873
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 2>a it's a surprising one. I don't think he's been

874
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 2>a name at the forefront of head coaching jobs. Has

875
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 2>he in the NRL or even in super recently? I

876
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.960
<v Speaker 2>think he was in a running or is it he

877
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:51.800
<v Speaker 2>put his name forward for the mainly job, but he

878
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>was never mentioned publicly for the mainly job. So look,

879
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.159
<v Speaker 2>he might prove to be the great coach, A great

880
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.639
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be very hard to when

881
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you look at the gamble to gamble, every every appointment

882
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>is a gable, isn't it.

883
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 1>But I'm talking of gambles. Tyson has signed for the Catalans.

884
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, with Toby Sexton going to Perth. They've been looking

885
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 2>for a half and gamble. I'm told hadn't offer a

886
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of superlegg glass well for this year. Had an

887
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>offer last year. I'm not sure which club, but he

888
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 2>knocked that back and he I think he's played one

889
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>n R Old game for the night, so he won't

890
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 2>be staying in Newcastle and he will be heading to

891
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the south of France.

892
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>There was a big blue this week, a big fight

893
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 1>and there were swinging and they weren't hitting each other

894
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 1>very much, but there was some There was some haymade.

895
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 1>But you you shared a video. I've seen the full thing.

896
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.679
<v Speaker 1>I've got contacts and they've got the full thing. And

897
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 1>not much happened after the bit that you showed. Quite frankly,

898
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:59.199
<v Speaker 1>it was just a lot of kerfuffle. What was all

899
00:49:59.199 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that about, John?

900
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about the Thornhill the Driddlington. Yes, I have

901
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.880
<v Speaker 2>seen the full video. The reason I didn't publish that

902
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 2>is because there's obviously children in the video and for

903
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.760
<v Speaker 2>safeguarding reasons. I know the RFL looking into it, they're investigating.

904
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.480
<v Speaker 2>But it's just a terrible look, isn't it. Lee Like

905
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>if you're a volunteer or a coach or a parent

906
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 2>at a at an under you know, the twelve year

907
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.159
<v Speaker 2>old amateur game, like why are you getting gang in

908
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 2>there throwing punches? Like? I think.

909
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>The similar issues in Australia, except that they don't always

910
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>result in fifty cours, just gang related shootings. It comes

911
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.360
<v Speaker 1>down to society as much as as much as rugby

912
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 1>league or any sport. So I understand why people get

913
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:13.320
<v Speaker 1>frustrated at sports because but it's it's just a vicious circle, right,

914
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.639
<v Speaker 1>So who would be a referee because of the abuse

915
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>the cop so therefore you get people of less caliber

916
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>or there were once at the bottom of the pile,

917
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 1>get promoted, and then they make more errors because they're

918
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>not as good, and so on and so forth, so that

919
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that causes problems on the day. There's rivalries, there's people

920
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 1>who know each other, et cetera, et cetera. But look,

921
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.039
<v Speaker 1>that shouldn't that's beyond the pale. I mean, anybody involved

922
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:50.199
<v Speaker 1>in that should not be involved again. Yeah, and it

923
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 1>should never unless unless it was self defense, unless there

924
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:56.440
<v Speaker 1>was Yes, you know.

925
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.159
<v Speaker 2>There may be there may be some greater context to

926
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 2>what happened, and the NFL is looking into it. But

927
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.320
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, for those who are who are guilty,

928
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>there should be long, long bands talking years, if not

929
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 2>life pains, because we just we don't want, you know,

930
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the message that it sends to, you know, the kids

931
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 2>who were they're playing and it's just, yeah, it's disgusting.

932
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Now. Overwhelmingly, John when when when you ask for questions

933
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:26.800
<v Speaker 1>on your social media channels, Yes, overwhelmingly. The key topic,

934
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the big topic, if if we only took one, it

935
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>would be the NRL takeover of the Super League. Steve

936
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>GASCOYN left a question on your Facebook saying when and

937
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.639
<v Speaker 1>if is this longer waited NRL takeover happening. It all

938
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.119
<v Speaker 1>seems a little cloak and dagger, and it might be

939
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.199
<v Speaker 1>a good time for you to scroll through your phone

940
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 1>John at some of the questions relating to that, and

941
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I can have a look too, because honestly, I think

942
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 1>we basically get bombarded with these questions, don't we We.

943
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we do. I mean cloak and dagger is an

944
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:05.599
<v Speaker 2>interesting way to put it. I mean literally, negotiations by

945
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 2>their nature, they're not not public, but I mean there's

946
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.840
<v Speaker 2>not really from what I've heard anyway, there's not really

947
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a strong update. What I was told a little while

948
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 2>ago was that everything was being put on hold until

949
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 2>the NRL deal was being negotiators in the NRL TV deal.

950
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.760
<v Speaker 2>That seems to have been done now by all the reports.

951
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be officially announced this week.

952
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I think something like Wednesday or Thursday. But it's a

953
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 2>big increase and you would think that, you know, by

954
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>at least the coverage in Australia that there could be

955
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, a bit of a surplus that could go

956
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 2>into the international game. So yeah, hopefully NRL Super League

957
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 2>talks are back on the agenda. But you know, like anything,

958
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.599
<v Speaker 2>there's no guarantee that there will be a takeover, a partnership,

959
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:58.800
<v Speaker 2>a merger, an investment.

960
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Even the TV deal. Right, So from what I can gather,

961
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 1>first of all, any TV deal that's leaked or announced

962
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 1>as X amount of dollars, it can actually also be

963
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 1>some part of that can be in kind part in

964
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 1>terms of contra in terms of advertising and production costs

965
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Yes, So, for example, in Australia,

966
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Channel nine and Fox Sports do a lot of the

967
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 1>heavy living lifting for the NRL with their own social

968
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:34.679
<v Speaker 1>media production. They have the NRL on nine social media channels,

969
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:40.679
<v Speaker 1>they have the Fox League social media channels as an example,

970
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>they have talk shows, etcetera, etcetera. So you know, it's

971
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a cash figure that's coming into the game. Secondly,

972
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:56.280
<v Speaker 1>since the last TV deal, there's going to be three

973
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.760
<v Speaker 1>more NRL sides for that one going to be more

974
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 1>content and there's more clubs that need some money. So

975
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.199
<v Speaker 1>it's a bit more complicated than just isn't it that

976
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>salary inflation? Apparently, in terms of inflation over the last

977
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 1>five years, I think it's actually not that big a

978
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.960
<v Speaker 1>jump really, So so you will get the announcements and

979
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.000
<v Speaker 1>it will be all fanfare, but if you actually break

980
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it down, it's a little bit different.

981
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:26.599
<v Speaker 2>There.

982
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:31.679
<v Speaker 1>I've been big rumors over here that they're not sure

983
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the narrow can afford the intervention in Super League. So

984
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that's that's something else to to consider. Also, I think

985
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:47.599
<v Speaker 1>the choice of CEO was really important because Tony Mestrov,

986
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.719
<v Speaker 1>by all accounts, was second second on the on the

987
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:57.199
<v Speaker 1>list of choices, didn't get the job, and he's got

988
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.079
<v Speaker 1>He's got a relationship with Peter Valandi, so they have

989
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 1>been a direct line there in that. Thirdly, the fact

990
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 1>that they've gone with two people that have already got

991
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the TV rights here suggests there's going to be an

992
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 1>element of status quo maybe so, but is that able

993
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>to tie it all in with the Super League? Who knows.

994
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.880
<v Speaker 1>So there's so many things to overcome. What do people

995
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.840
<v Speaker 1>ask John on this? Is any other directions we can

996
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 1>go in there on that?

997
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I think in terms of the in terms of the

998
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>NRL deal, not really. I mean, I think that's what

999
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 2>we've said is basically where it's at. But as you, yeah,

1000
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I think Mark word House, what's the update on the

1001
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 2>NRL investment and if it comes, or expecting the salary

1002
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:44.880
<v Speaker 2>captain increase. We're not really at that stage yet, Mark,

1003
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.920
<v Speaker 2>But considering there's been a majority of clubs in Super

1004
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Leigue against the salary cap increase, I don't think they

1005
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.519
<v Speaker 2>would necessarily be one. I think that would probably be unlikely.

1006
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:00.239
<v Speaker 1>We'll save all the other questions for the end. New

1007
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.880
<v Speaker 1>South Wales have announced their team.

1008
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 2>I haven't actually, I haven't actually except I think two's

1009
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in it, but I haven't actually seen the team yet.

1010
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>All right, well i'll read it to you now. Blues

1011
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 1>team for game three number one James de Desco, number two,

1012
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Jack Bostoc Brown Tottle has been dropped, number three, Bradman

1013
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Best Ca Tony Staggs has been dropped, number four, Stephen

1014
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Crichton number five, Mark now Angannita Jase number six, Mitchell

1015
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Moses number seven, Nathan Clearing number eight, Paying Hears nine,

1016
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Reese Robson ten, Mitch Barnett eleven, Hudson Young twelve, Lie

1017
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:37.199
<v Speaker 1>and Martin has been brought in so the lad Dylan

1018
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Lucas has been dropped as Ieo maintained his position at Locke.

1019
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Murray fourteen, Adam Fanower Blake fifteen, Hamole Olaquart sixteen,

1020
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Blake Brayley is back at seventeen, Ethan Strange eighteen, Tollukola

1021
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.199
<v Speaker 1>is at nineteen, and Victor Radley is at twenty. So

1022
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the team.

1023
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I agree with some of those changes,

1024
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>some of them not really. I also probably prescribe to

1025
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 2>the theory that it's not necessarily the personnel, it's the

1026
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 2>tactics and how those players play and you know, how

1027
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:18.679
<v Speaker 2>the interchanges us because Lorry Daily stuffed up badly. I

1028
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:23.639
<v Speaker 2>listened to Sunday Sin Being a Triple M show today

1029
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.199
<v Speaker 2>and they were having a big debate about whether the

1030
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:30.000
<v Speaker 2>criticism of Lorry Daily was personal or not. I don't

1031
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.280
<v Speaker 2>think any of the criticism has been personal. It's about

1032
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 2>his coaching. It's nothing to do with Lorry as a

1033
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.559
<v Speaker 2>person or you know, and I don't know Lorry Daily.

1034
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.719
<v Speaker 2>By all accounts, he's a fantastic bloke, you know, a

1035
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.840
<v Speaker 2>lovely guy and you know he was a great servant

1036
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:45.480
<v Speaker 2>for you so well. I was on the Coinstane Canberra.

1037
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.360
<v Speaker 2>But it's got nothing to do with whether he's a

1038
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 2>good coach or or whether he's done a good job

1039
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.639
<v Speaker 2>in Origin. I'd love for you so well as to

1040
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.719
<v Speaker 2>get up in the third game, but I think it

1041
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 2>is probably unlikely. I think they probably rode their luck

1042
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.280
<v Speaker 2>badly in Game one, and yeah, I think Queensland just

1043
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 2>seem to be better at these crucial moments in Origin.

1044
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:17.519
<v Speaker 1>I have a very distinct feeling and based on the

1045
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff I've consumed and belief in my own eyes want

1046
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.519
<v Speaker 1>to look at things. And I think there's every chance

1047
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Laurier Daily has accepted he's not up to this job.

1048
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I think there's all the smart money he will be

1049
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 1>on this being his last Origin game.

1050
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1051
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:40.039
<v Speaker 1>And I think that on the night of Origin apparently

1052
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.199
<v Speaker 1>they had a big pow wow. And it's also been

1053
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>reported it's had a lot of conversations with players in

1054
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the interim and it's been reported and hinted at that

1055
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.960
<v Speaker 1>it has been about the tactics and how to go

1056
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 1>about beating Queensland in Game three. If Laurie Daily has

1057
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 1>done that, he's both home and smart because there's a

1058
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of football IQ in that side that have just

1059
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:13.920
<v Speaker 1>listed that know how to win premierships at least, and

1060
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 1>some of them have won Origin Shield as well. And

1061
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.480
<v Speaker 1>there's enough football IQ in the state of New South

1062
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Wales full stop. And I think one thing malmon Inga

1063
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:29.039
<v Speaker 1>did so well as Queensland coach was he brought all

1064
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:32.440
<v Speaker 1>those talents together to get the right answers. And I

1065
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:36.320
<v Speaker 1>think there's two ways of looking at people who leave

1066
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 1>no stone unturned and change things and everything else. One

1067
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:42.760
<v Speaker 1>it can suggest panic, but two it can also say

1068
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you're scratching around and the more you scratch around looking

1069
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 1>for the answers, eventually you might find it. So I

1070
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 1>think we're going to have a real contest in Game three.

1071
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 1>So much so I may have put twenty dollars on

1072
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 1>New South Wales.

1073
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, twenty dollars for a tit Lancashire and that's that's

1074
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.159
<v Speaker 2>a big, big moves lankashireman.

1075
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I have never heard that phrase before. You are Lancastrian. It's

1076
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.719
<v Speaker 1>called and and.

1077
01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:13.880
<v Speaker 2>To that place anywhere.

1078
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm as a as a presenter here of this

1079
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 1>show and whatever else. We can't encourage people to gamble stupidly, John,

1080
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:31.519
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just promoting gambling gamble responsibly. Twenty bung. I

1081
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 1>put ten bung or twenty bung on things occasionally So

1082
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 1>I was in the company of somebody who said, Lee,

1083
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you need to put money on this horse. It is

1084
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.400
<v Speaker 1>going to win today. And I looked at the odds

1085
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and they were very good arts, and I thought, oh,

1086
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how you know that's going to win today?

1087
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.320
<v Speaker 1>So I did. I put twenty bung on and came

1088
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:55.559
<v Speaker 1>away with two hundred bun. So I've I had money

1089
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:58.760
<v Speaker 1>to put on this and I've been telling everybody who

1090
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.480
<v Speaker 1>listened to me, I think New South Wales are going

1091
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to come really strong. The shackle is going to be

1092
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:09.119
<v Speaker 1>off them somewhat. That doesn't help the interchange, but there's

1093
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:15.000
<v Speaker 1>enough people around New South Wales. Somebody can can can

1094
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 1>get in Lorrie's ear and sort that interchange out too.

1095
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's one thing about being in crisis, John,

1096
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:24.679
<v Speaker 1>you reach for You reach for things that you might

1097
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:29.360
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily reach for in non crisis time. So and

1098
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 1>people forget as well. It's one all in the series.

1099
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.400
<v Speaker 1>New South Wales just have to win one game and

1100
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:37.039
<v Speaker 1>they've won the s.

1101
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think I think we could spend all

1102
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:43.480
<v Speaker 2>day analyzing it. You know, I personally I would have

1103
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.559
<v Speaker 2>put put collar in the wing and not pick boss

1104
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Stock or kept oo lea Martin I think is a

1105
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.639
<v Speaker 2>good selection whether Ethan Strange should be standing at six

1106
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:56.519
<v Speaker 2>after Moses' game, saying that Moses is one, you know,

1107
01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:01.440
<v Speaker 2>he's had our blinders in origin before and Happy, I mean,

1108
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:04.159
<v Speaker 2>did he deserve to be dropped?

1109
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:06.960
<v Speaker 1>But Nathan Cleary, I mean, Nathan Cleary has got a

1110
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.960
<v Speaker 1>really checkered representative history after that. Apart from his first

1111
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:15.480
<v Speaker 1>two years, he's been really poor in rep football statistically,

1112
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and I've analyzed his game. You know, there's just a

1113
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:23.880
<v Speaker 1>narrative around Nathan Cleary, just automatic pick because he's Nathan Cleary.

1114
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And and I think this is part of New South

1115
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Wales problem anyway. This is Super League three sixty not

1116
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:33.079
<v Speaker 1>why not? Why New South Wales are Ship three sixty

1117
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Broncos Broncos by all accounts now are out of the

1118
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 1>NRL title race based on based on maths, and Gus

1119
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Goule says, the minute you start saying it's mathematically possible,

1120
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it's the end. So Broncos lost to Roosters the other day.

1121
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I suppose the question there is where will the Broncos

1122
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.559
<v Speaker 1>go if they don't make the finals this year? In

1123
01:03:55.639 --> 01:04:00.000
<v Speaker 1>terms of their coach, I don't.

1124
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Think they're going to sack him. They've had a terrible year.

1125
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I know they've had a lot of injuries, but it

1126
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:09.639
<v Speaker 2>just seems like players are unhappy. Jesse Arthur. Jesse Arthur's

1127
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.440
<v Speaker 2>apparently was offered a deal by the Broncos, but not

1128
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.360
<v Speaker 2>to back and it's kind of cat Leans and obviously

1129
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.280
<v Speaker 2>paying Hals is going But I think, yeah, I think

1130
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll stick with Madge. What will be interesting. I think

1131
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.880
<v Speaker 2>he's only got next year, So did they extend him

1132
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.880
<v Speaker 2>or not? You would think with the way things are going,

1133
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.079
<v Speaker 2>they aren't going to extend him at this point, but

1134
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:31.320
<v Speaker 2>stranger things have happened.

1135
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Well it is and I mean, at the end of

1136
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the day, you want to complash year? I mean he

1137
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.840
<v Speaker 1>did you know? Anyway? Like I said, this is Super

1138
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.760
<v Speaker 1>League three sixty before we go through magic weekend fixture, John,

1139
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:45.440
<v Speaker 1>do you want to have a look at the other

1140
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:46.800
<v Speaker 1>questions that we've got.

1141
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'll have a quick read through. So we've got

1142
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 2>a question from Ben Blackwell. Will there be a contingency

1143
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:59.559
<v Speaker 2>contingency playing in place of York's Fine, if York's financials

1144
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:03.280
<v Speaker 2>is okay, I'll start that again. Apologies. Will there be

1145
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.920
<v Speaker 2>a contingency playing in place of York's financial financial issues

1146
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.239
<v Speaker 2>worse than the last thing with sports Age is another

1147
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.800
<v Speaker 2>sulfured fiasco with players leaving, not getting paid, et cetera.

1148
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:16.360
<v Speaker 2>This steep into the season. Although I am advocate for expansion,

1149
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:21.000
<v Speaker 2>with hindsight, it's being rushed. I'm not aware of there

1150
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:26.519
<v Speaker 2>being a contingency plan at all. I know there was

1151
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.599
<v Speaker 2>partly one with Sulfur, but there also wasn't. So yeah,

1152
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:32.239
<v Speaker 2>in terms of it being rushed, I think we all

1153
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.960
<v Speaker 2>know it was rushed. I think we all said, well,

1154
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I think at least mainly said that there wasn't a playpool,

1155
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:43.320
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't a finances, and you know, we've been proved

1156
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.719
<v Speaker 2>right the question.

1157
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:47.599
<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm so happy about job. We've gone

1158
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.360
<v Speaker 1>through the NRL section, which we normally only do for

1159
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple of minutes, and you didn't mention manly or

1160
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.880
<v Speaker 1>fosball or anything. So that you're developing as a person,

1161
01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you're growing.

1162
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I did enjoy the game on Saturday, though.

1163
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:09.159
<v Speaker 1>They moving on that Saints blog said our coaches who

1164
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:12.280
<v Speaker 1>preach the grind and the arm wrestles sentencing the sports

1165
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:13.880
<v Speaker 1>or a slow, painful death.

1166
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a bit of a weird question because

1167
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:20.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you should probably answer.

1168
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:22.920
<v Speaker 1>This well you answer it. You answer it from a

1169
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:26.440
<v Speaker 1>journalist and spectator point of view first, because I think

1170
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a unique question. I wouldn't call it a strange question.

1171
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I call it a unique question because I think he's

1172
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.159
<v Speaker 1>looking at entertainment value there. So I think a journalist

1173
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and a spectator as such is more attuned to enter.

1174
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 1>You talk from the entertainment perspective, and then I'll talk

1175
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.480
<v Speaker 1>from the coaching well.

1176
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:47.599
<v Speaker 2>From a jealousy point of view, I would say that

1177
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:52.559
<v Speaker 2>every coach preaches the wrestle and the grind, because if

1178
01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:55.320
<v Speaker 2>you don't, then you aren't going to win many games,

1179
01:06:55.360 --> 01:07:00.360
<v Speaker 2>if any. I think once you do that, what you

1180
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 2>do when you have the ball, apart from what you

1181
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.119
<v Speaker 2>do on defense, is different, and you might play a

1182
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:06.679
<v Speaker 2>more expensive style than others. But I don't think there's

1183
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:10.119
<v Speaker 2>a huge amount of difference in philosophies of the way

1184
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the game has played, at least in Super League R

1185
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.400
<v Speaker 2>level in my experience, I don't think you can. You know,

1186
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.400
<v Speaker 2>every coach, every sorry club has a wrestle room. They

1187
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:24.159
<v Speaker 2>all practice wrestling, and that's been happening well more than

1188
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:24.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty years.

1189
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.039
<v Speaker 1>He said the arm wrestle, not the wrestle. So he's

1190
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:33.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about the field position grind basically. Yeah, I mean,

1191
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.039
<v Speaker 1>I think it is connected, but I know what you

1192
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 1>mean yet. I wouldn't blame the coaches, Saints blog man.

1193
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:44.719
<v Speaker 1>I'd blame the administrators because for something else I'm doing,

1194
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I've done. I've had a look at the evolution of

1195
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:51.039
<v Speaker 1>the game from an Australian perspective in terms of rules

1196
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:55.199
<v Speaker 1>and how that's impact coaching. Saint George won eleven straight

1197
01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Speaker 1>in the sixties, fifties and sixties, and they won that

1198
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.760
<v Speaker 1>because it was limited tackles and they could hold the

1199
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:06.280
<v Speaker 1>ball for a week in a game. And therefore they

1200
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:09.239
<v Speaker 1>brought in the four tackle rule and then the six

1201
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:11.199
<v Speaker 1>tackle rule, which.

1202
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Made you also couldn't recruit players outside of.

1203
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Your area, that's right. And therefore, once the four tackle

1204
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and the sixth tackle rule came in, it became limited

1205
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.079
<v Speaker 1>as to your possession, so you had to make the

1206
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:29.680
<v Speaker 1>best of it, right, So then we started seeing moves

1207
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:31.479
<v Speaker 1>come in and things like that because there was only

1208
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:37.319
<v Speaker 1>five meters apart or five yards. And then now what

1209
01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.600
<v Speaker 1>we've done over the years is we've got rid of

1210
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the opportunities to win possession wherever you are. So you

1211
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:46.600
<v Speaker 1>used to be able to strike at the play the

1212
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:50.479
<v Speaker 1>ball for the ball. You used to be able to

1213
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.640
<v Speaker 1>steal the ball if there was more than one person

1214
01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:56.359
<v Speaker 1>in there, and then they scrapped that and then brought

1215
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:58.199
<v Speaker 1>in a rule again where you can do a one

1216
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:03.359
<v Speaker 1>on one strip. So basically the game became a game

1217
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:06.479
<v Speaker 1>where one team would have the ball for a set

1218
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:08.640
<v Speaker 1>of six to go down the other end, and then

1219
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the other team would have a ball for six. And

1220
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.319
<v Speaker 1>so then they brought the forty twenty meter rule in

1221
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.159
<v Speaker 1>a forty twenty kick in to try and to try

1222
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:19.039
<v Speaker 1>and change that up. So I would blame the administrators

1223
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:23.439
<v Speaker 1>more if I'm honest. Any more questions, John, Yeah, We've

1224
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.880
<v Speaker 1>got a few more. One from Debbie Jones. I'd like

1225
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to know why if you're attaining a rugby league match

1226
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you can only bring in a bag no bigger than

1227
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:32.239
<v Speaker 1>an A four size, but if you turn a test

1228
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:34.880
<v Speaker 1>matches in the cricket you can take a rucksack. I

1229
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:36.760
<v Speaker 1>thought it was the same ruler or sporting events in

1230
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the UK. I think it's down to security regulations at

1231
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.800
<v Speaker 1>each individual Stadium Debbie. Debbie was the one who got

1232
01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:47.600
<v Speaker 1>was in trouble the other week with Neil Hull.

1233
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Question from Andy is it true the host of Giants

1234
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:54.880
<v Speaker 2>are buying Dewsby Rand Stadium? Now there's been rumors about

1235
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Hartsfield actually buying the Jewsbury, rams Lockstock and Barrel several

1236
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:02.079
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. That's just a rumor at this stage is

1237
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:05.319
<v Speaker 2>not being substantiated. But with obviously what's happened with the

1238
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:10.039
<v Speaker 2>shared Halifax, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.

1239
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.479
<v Speaker 2>Question from John Rogers does anybody ever monitor the depts

1240
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.560
<v Speaker 2>championship clubs are building up alongside the sildary cap? Is

1241
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:20.600
<v Speaker 2>this essentially in order to move away from overspending, declaring

1242
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.199
<v Speaker 2>back bankruptcy, start again, repeat cycle, often with the same people.

1243
01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to praise John for having Colin Bell in

1244
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:34.960
<v Speaker 1>his profile picture and everything Manchester City. That's my boy.

1245
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:38.800
<v Speaker 2>No one monitors it from the RFL. I believed John,

1246
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.800
<v Speaker 2>there's not really a central body doing it. The RFL

1247
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:46.399
<v Speaker 2>stances that their individual businesses and it's not their job

1248
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:50.039
<v Speaker 2>to run them and tell them what to do. It

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01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.520
<v Speaker 2>is the same cycle, often with the same people, because

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01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:55.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't really have any due diligence done on who

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01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.680
<v Speaker 2>owns clubs or who investments invest in them. We just

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01:10:58.760 --> 01:10:59.279
<v Speaker 2>take whatever.

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01:10:59.319 --> 01:10:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Google search.

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01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Google search is a very strenuous investigation. Really.

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01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I there was a question I just liked as well.

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01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:17.000
<v Speaker 1>If Josh Charley has not been named in the initial

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01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:19.720
<v Speaker 1>thirty man England are OL World Cup squad, why not?

1258
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.039
<v Speaker 1>That's from James Taylor.

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01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I would I mean, I'm not Brian McDonough and I'm

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01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:28.039
<v Speaker 2>not speaking for him, but I would hazard a guess

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01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:31.680
<v Speaker 2>because well, Josh Charlie is still scoring tries and still

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01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:37.239
<v Speaker 2>a talented player. Probably his best years are behind him,

1263
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and there are players in the prime of their careers

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01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.279
<v Speaker 2>and arguably better players now ahead of him in the

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01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:47.479
<v Speaker 2>pecking line. And I'm talking about Dom Young, Tom Johnston, Maddy.

1266
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Ashton, younger versions as well.

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01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, who perhaps are you know quicker more athletic, et cetera,

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01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:59.119
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Another question from Debbie how long have a

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01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:00.600
<v Speaker 2>side got there the soul where they can make a

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01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:02.039
<v Speaker 2>captain challenge or is there no time?

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01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:04.159
<v Speaker 1>That's the other question we get all the time, isn't

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01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:06.840
<v Speaker 1>it about captain's challenges and video referees.

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01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Is there thirty seconds or a minute? There is definitely.

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01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:14.399
<v Speaker 2>I thought there was a timeer on that.

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01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I think definitely well in an RL, I think it's

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01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:18.720
<v Speaker 1>about ten seconds or something like that.

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01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's definitely a there's definitely a short window. A

1278
01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:24.960
<v Speaker 2>question for Gavin Quinn is there any news on P

1279
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:27.359
<v Speaker 2>and G Chiefs and Perth grade recruitment in the Super League.

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01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I've not heard anything else Gavin that's been recorded. Obviously

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01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.039
<v Speaker 2>there had quite a few targets. I don't think necessarily

1282
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:40.479
<v Speaker 2>there'll be any other big ones name announced, at least

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01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:44.840
<v Speaker 2>for Perth because I think their squad is mostly done.

1284
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:48.079
<v Speaker 2>P and G obviously aren't playing for twenty twenty eight,

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01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:54.119
<v Speaker 2>so we could see some movement next year possibly, And

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01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:57.720
<v Speaker 2>I think on Facebook there was another question. I sure

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01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:59.479
<v Speaker 2>have you got this one, Lee or you brought me

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01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to read it out.

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01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:02.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're talking about.

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01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've got a question from me and Judson. I'll

1291
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:08.600
<v Speaker 2>let you answer it. First. We need to ditch the

1292
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.680
<v Speaker 2>video referee and all the TV gimmicks that go with it.

1293
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Our sport has much bigger priorities than pander into television

1294
01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:18.119
<v Speaker 2>and including disasters like captain's challenge. Try no, try to

1295
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.840
<v Speaker 2>consider it, and it is subsequently masking the standard referee

1296
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 2>vastly were making the standard of refereeing vastly worse than

1297
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.600
<v Speaker 2>it was before. There's a discussion for you.

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01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Did you say his name was Ian?

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01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Ian. I'm going to answer this very quickly and very

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01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:39.159
<v Speaker 1>quite brutally. Actually, the game has to pander to television

1302
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:43.760
<v Speaker 1>because it wouldn't exist without television right quite frankly right now,

1303
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:48.960
<v Speaker 1>because it forms a sport and that's it. And then

1304
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.079
<v Speaker 1>everything you say, everything he says about the the video referee,

1305
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:59.720
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, totally genuine but yeah, we've got you're unfortunate

1306
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.439
<v Speaker 1>first line of that question. It just can't happen. We've

1307
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:08.079
<v Speaker 1>got to panda television, particularly in England. They've got to

1308
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:11.279
<v Speaker 1>go cap in hand and just get what they can

1309
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:12.760
<v Speaker 1>into TV money.

1310
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Every score does, the NFL does, the Premier League does,

1311
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the NRL does the thing about the video referee. I'm

1312
01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:23.199
<v Speaker 2>old enough to remember when we didn't have it, Like

1313
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:26.840
<v Speaker 2>people have short memories, gen many like real clangers that

1314
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:31.680
<v Speaker 2>used to cost I can even remember what the ninety

1315
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.439
<v Speaker 2>five Grand Final, and you know one was a forward pass.

1316
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:37.880
<v Speaker 2>But Canterbury scored from a forward pass. Jim Dimmitt wraps

1317
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:41.479
<v Speaker 2>the ball around, passes forward. They had a seven tackle

1318
01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:45.439
<v Speaker 2>set in the Grand final. You know, there's lots of

1319
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:47.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, clangers that we don't have because we have

1320
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:48.239
<v Speaker 2>a video.

1321
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:51.199
<v Speaker 1>And it happened in the Canberra Rooster's Grand Final the

1322
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:54.800
<v Speaker 1>other year as well with all the six again.

1323
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's no there's

1324
01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.720
<v Speaker 2>always a margin of error when it comes to human being.

1325
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:05.640
<v Speaker 2>So we're not going to lose the video referee. And yeah,

1326
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:10.119
<v Speaker 2>television's here to stay, has been for what eighty years?

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01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Is that? Is that for questions? Mate?

1328
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:21.079
<v Speaker 2>That is mate? We've got Magic Weekend in less than

1329
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:26.319
<v Speaker 2>a week. I will be there at day both days,

1330
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:28.920
<v Speaker 2>all six games, looking forward to it.

1331
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Just got time for tips then Johnny's tips. Quadersfield York

1332
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.960
<v Speaker 1>at twelve thirty on Saturday, the Battle of Last and

1333
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:49.359
<v Speaker 1>second last. Look Addersfield. They impressed me today, but I'm

1334
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:54.920
<v Speaker 1>going to just go with York. Yeah, not really for any.

1335
01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Particular reason, but it's a fifty to fifty game when

1336
01:15:57.319 --> 01:15:58.279
<v Speaker 2>you've got to pick one of them.

1337
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Whole k Are versus Whole three o'clock on Saturday.

1338
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the last time I lost to Derby.

1339
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say it was probably about four years ago,

1340
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:16.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe longer. And yeah, I think I think okay win that. Yeah.

1341
01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Lee versus Warrington at five thirty.

1342
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, an interesting one, considering the injuries that Warrington have got.

1343
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I think probably with the form that Lee are in,

1344
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I might just go with the Leopards on that one.

1345
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Catalans play to lose at eight o'clock. Well, that's actually

1346
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:37.159
<v Speaker 1>in France, isn't it.

1347
01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:44.359
<v Speaker 2>It is in France. I think probably the Dragons may obviously,

1348
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:47.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, a stronger team on paper, and John cart

1349
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:50.399
<v Speaker 2>right there, I think, yeah, they're probably making some slight

1350
01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:54.279
<v Speaker 2>movements towards stronger consistency.

1351
01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I've messed up the BBC thing that I'm doing. Hang on,

1352
01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at the feet. So next week is Saturday

1353
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the fourth. Yeah, yes, and I've just done the right

1354
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.479
<v Speaker 1>thing right, So someday the fifth sorry live live podcasting

1355
01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:18.600
<v Speaker 1>someday the fifth of July. Wakefield versus Cast at lunchtime,

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01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:21.960
<v Speaker 1>twelve thirty. Yeah.

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01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I think you know, as we said, we were talking

1358
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:26.960
<v Speaker 2>about Casts turn a bit of a corner and then

1359
01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:31.239
<v Speaker 2>losing against York I think Wakey have one five of

1360
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.560
<v Speaker 2>the last six up into fourth now and I like

1361
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.720
<v Speaker 2>the look of them, even though they weren't their best today.

1362
01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I think tipping them for the results in.

1363
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:44.399
<v Speaker 1>That one lead versus Bradford at three o'clock.

1364
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if you look at the form sheet,

1365
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 2>it's got to be the Rhinos.

1366
01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:55.479
<v Speaker 1>Wigan versus Saint Helens at five point thirty.

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01:17:56.479 --> 01:18:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Again, Yeah, I think we again, particularly after what happened

1368
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:07.880
<v Speaker 2>good Friday and then what happened in the semifinals. I

1369
01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:09.760
<v Speaker 2>think Sons will be very fine out but I think

1370
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.479
<v Speaker 2>as well so I'm really looking forward to that actually

1371
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:14.760
<v Speaker 2>be very very tasty.

1372
01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they should play it after nine o'clock, after the watershed,

1373
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:23.039
<v Speaker 1>because me that makes me laugh when some media outlets

1374
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:24.800
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a fiery game. You're not

1375
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.119
<v Speaker 1>allowed to do anything anymore. Why would it be. There's

1376
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:29.640
<v Speaker 1>be a few big hits or something and a bit

1377
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of push and shove, unless, of course, you're at Driddlington

1378
01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:40.159
<v Speaker 1>and Thornhill and it's making hay mmmm. That's another episode

1379
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.479
<v Speaker 1>of three sixty Super League, three sixty done and dusted.

1380
01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:48.359
<v Speaker 1>I do apologize for those watching for John's shit shirt.

1381
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:54.039
<v Speaker 1>There is something resembling a kangaroo on there is Is

1382
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:55.840
<v Speaker 1>that a soccer roose jersey though.

1383
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.039
<v Speaker 2>This is a soccer roose chasey. Yes, and we will

1384
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:02.920
<v Speaker 2>be playing my Egyptians next for her not looking for it.

1385
01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll buy some Toby roans so I've got some pyramids. Okay,

1386
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:11.920
<v Speaker 1>take care,