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<v Speaker 1>Walter Sterling and you with Wyatt Sharp Wyatt, congratulations for

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<v Speaker 1>being on the biggest all night show in American radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now today you're in Austin. Is that your report? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what you claim?

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<v Speaker 2>I am Austin, Texas, Yes, sir, all right, very different

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<v Speaker 2>than Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Completely different than Canada. Please give us an update on

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<v Speaker 1>the news and information of interest to your your fans,

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<v Speaker 1>your audience on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there was actually becoming a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>pattern for us here in terms of true crime news.

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<v Speaker 2>But I started doing some true crime stuff after my

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<v Speaker 2>interview with the Nancy Guthrie Sheriff, and I've just been

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<v Speaker 2>continuing with that ever since. And so your listeners will

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<v Speaker 2>have known that the Luigi Mangioni investigation had a new

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<v Speaker 2>development this week. Luigi Mangioni is, of course, a man

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<v Speaker 2>who killed the CEO of United Healthcare, Brian Thompson, just

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<v Speaker 2>on a sidewalk in the middle of the street in

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<v Speaker 2>New York City. This was in December of twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, and so he actually pleaded guilty to two

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<v Speaker 2>federal stocking counts this past week in court. And the

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<v Speaker 2>reason that he did that was because of something called

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<v Speaker 2>double jeopardy, and he was facing counts in both the

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<v Speaker 2>federal court but also state charges as well, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the hope, according to his attorneys, by pleading guilty to

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<v Speaker 2>the federal charges is that they can get those state

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<v Speaker 2>chargers thrown out and that he will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>walk free sometime in his fifties. Is kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>general timeline that people are looking at right now, which

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<v Speaker 2>obviously seems very very absurd for someone who literally killed

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<v Speaker 2>a man in cold blood. But the reason that I

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<v Speaker 2>think my generation is so interested in this case in

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<v Speaker 2>particular is the reasoning behind why this happened. If you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the attorneys for Luigi Mangioni, they will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that he did this as kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for reasons of emotional disturbance that they haven't officially used

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<v Speaker 2>that line of reasoning in court, but basically saying that

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<v Speaker 2>he was so fed up with the healthcare system and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why he did this. But to me, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>so interesting, because I really don't think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as fed up as you can be with anyone or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that that type of an argument would ever

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<v Speaker 2>stand in a court setting seems quite you know, laughable

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<v Speaker 2>in that sense. It doesn't seem as if that would

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<v Speaker 2>ever be a worthwhile argument or something that would have

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<v Speaker 2>much legal standing.

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<v Speaker 1>I am shocked that they had the nerve to present

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<v Speaker 1>that he's not being tried for murder. He's being tried

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<v Speaker 1>for stalking, and the judge has agreed to let this

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<v Speaker 1>go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. I talked to I don't know if you're listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>well know his name is Mark Geragos, a very well

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<v Speaker 2>known attorney, and he told me that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>interesting things in this case is because of the legal loopholes. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that you know, Luigi Mangioni didn't commit this

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<v Speaker 2>horrible act, because he absolutely did, but it's because of

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<v Speaker 2>the way that the legal system work works, rather that

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<v Speaker 2>he very well could be out of jail within his fifties. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course that's not certain. We'll have to see how

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<v Speaker 2>the case continues to progress. But I just think that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure you would agree with this, that it

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<v Speaker 2>seems very shocking to me that someone who killed somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who is currently I think in his twenties, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>only getting you know, twenty five or thirty years for

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<v Speaker 2>that type of a crime seems quite absurd when someone

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<v Speaker 2>like Brian Thompson, you know he's not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>any of his life back, and yet here you have

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<v Speaker 2>Luigi Mangioni, who could, potentially, based off of the way

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<v Speaker 2>things are going, be released and you know, still have

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<v Speaker 2>twenty to thirty years of his life left.

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<v Speaker 1>Wyatt Sharp, who has a very active and popular channel

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube. The Sharp is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Sharp Exchange? Close enough?

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<v Speaker 1>She got no sharp Exchange Sharp Exchange Sharp Exchange on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us the latest that you you've received about the

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<v Speaker 1>Guthrie case. You had a famous interview with the sheriff,

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<v Speaker 1>anything else from that interview and then updates the past week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I've done obviously that interview with the sheriff,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've also done a couple of follow up interviews

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<v Speaker 2>with different people. And one of the gentlemen that I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to, or gentleman I spoke to with someone by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Rick Castigar, And obviously your listeners probably

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that name, but his backstory is very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because he was actually the boss of Sheriff Chris Nanos

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<v Speaker 2>for about thirty five years down in Tucson, Arizona, and

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<v Speaker 2>I interviewed him and he had some pretty interesting things

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<v Speaker 2>to tell me. He had said that the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>tension that we are sensing right now between the sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>office down there with the FBI is actually not just

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<v Speaker 2>specific to this case, and it's a law outstanding personal

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<v Speaker 2>grievance that the sheriff has with the FBI, not just

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI director currently, but with the bureau as a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says that he believes that that tension has

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<v Speaker 2>hurt the case pretty dramatically. He said that it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>the ego of Chris Nandos, the Pma County sheriff, that

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<v Speaker 2>has sabotaged the case. Was the wording that he used.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought that was really interesting just because that's

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<v Speaker 2>not you know, your average Internet commentator who's saying that

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<v Speaker 2>about the sheriff. It's someone who has had direct involvement

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<v Speaker 2>with him, who worked with him for several decades. Also

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<v Speaker 2>on the case, I've spoken to Ed Smart, who was

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<v Speaker 2>the father or who is the father of Elizabeth Smart,

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<v Speaker 2>who of course was abducted in Utah for Smart of course.

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<v Speaker 1>What a smart and interesting person to interview in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Smart's father. Please, I didn't mean to interrupt you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to yellow highlight how smart you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, I appreciate it. But yeah, the reason to

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<v Speaker 2>that point why I wanted to talk with him is

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<v Speaker 2>because his daughter was found after nine months of being abducted,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I thought to myself, let me reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to him because he might have some interesting things to

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<v Speaker 2>say about the timeline here, because I think six months

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<v Speaker 2>into this investigation, a lot of people who perhaps aren't

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<v Speaker 2>super ingrained in legal and criminal cases, think that after

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<v Speaker 2>six months these types of cases have gone cold. But

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<v Speaker 2>interviewing him was kind of to underscore that even six

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<v Speaker 2>months into this, well, Nancy Guthrie likely unfortunately, even he said,

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<v Speaker 2>is probably not likely to still be alive. That does

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<v Speaker 2>not mean the case has gone cold, and it does

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<v Speaker 2>not mean that they're not going to find out the

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrator of these crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>And in your opinion, what has happened there with Savannah

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<v Speaker 1>Guthrie's mom. In your opinion, what do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>end result is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really tough to say without speculating too much. I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of different scenarios, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that part of what has happened here and part

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<v Speaker 2>of the reason that we are left without answers. When

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<v Speaker 2>I interviewed the sheriff, you know, he wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 2>rule out the suspect from the Tucson area, which, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't want to read too much into that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought that was kind of puzzling. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think part of it is because they withheld the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>for several days from getting access to the scene. There's

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<v Speaker 2>been an extraordinary lack of communication, So you know, honestly, Walter,

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<v Speaker 2>I think right now, one of the realities here that

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of people are willing to say is

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<v Speaker 2>that even the Sheriff's office doesn't really seem to have

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<v Speaker 2>much of a clue what's going on, because if they did,

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<v Speaker 2>they probably would be saying more because quite frankly, their

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<v Speaker 2>popularity is going down quite substantially right now because of

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<v Speaker 2>the lack of answers that they are giving. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as the sheriff did give me the interview,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very grateful for that, I think the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't able to answer a lot of the questions

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<v Speaker 2>that I had for him in a direct way that

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<v Speaker 2>certainly didn't vode well for him, and it didn't vote

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<v Speaker 2>well for the public's trust or kind of their interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>of how transparent the Sheriff's office has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Whyat Sharp? Anybody who has teenage children know that if

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<v Speaker 1>an answer, if a question is asked and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get a direct answer, there's a lie at work. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's yes, It's very powerful. Wyatt Sharp? Whyatt Sharp? The

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<v Speaker 1>Sharp Exchange on YouTube, great guests. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for being Canadian, and thank you for being on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of Midnight