WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.439 Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Mess Mornings with Me Jeff Grubb, 2 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:14.400 your host from giant bomb dot com. It's fishing week. 3 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:16.760 Thank you for tuning in. In this episode, we're gonna 4 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:19.640 be talking about that price for GTA six and Games 5 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:23.039 moving their date to avoid that big September pile up. 6 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:25.079 It's gonna be a good one because we have Taylor 7 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:26.879 Cock on the show. Taylor, how are you doing? 8 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:30.359 I'm doing great, man, Just stoked to be here. Yeah, 9 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:32.600 I'm glad you could make this happen. This is great. 10 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:35.679 It was awesome to see it for five minutes when 11 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:36.479 I was out in La. 12 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:39.560 Kind of like every year. But I wouldn't I wouldn't 13 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.359 change you. I'm glad we could at least make that happen. 14 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.039 But yeah, how are you doing? 15 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:46.119 I'm doing good man, you know, just hanging in there, 16 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.560 living the La life. It's funny to be here right now, 17 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:52.640 considering I haven't played a video game in quite some time. 18 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:56.240 I've been painting little guys. 19 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.079 Oh you're a little guy painter. Now I'm a little 20 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.600 guy painter. I've entered my little guy painter or. 21 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:06.280 World lifestyle, my little my little tank, the little guy. 22 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:08.719 Is it like tell me about it, Like, is it 23 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:10.200 just like, you know, kind of going there with like 24 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:11.400 tiny little brushes or. 25 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.640 Do you have like air brushes or what? Oh? 26 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.319 No, I haven't entered the airbrush life. I live in 27 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.840 a I live in an apartment in Los Angeles or simple. 28 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:22.480 So it's in the corner in the spotlight. You losing 29 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.599 not get poisoned by paint, right, yeah? 30 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:29.799 Right, I mean at a certain point, that's what we want, right, 31 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.400 just let the lead take us, uh, send us to 32 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.480 what's wherever the boomers have gone with all their lead 33 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:36.000 poisoning exactly. 34 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.840 I'm I'm completely fine with that, Like, let's let's party 35 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:39.359 at this point. 36 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:42.280 I mean, of course, I joke. I obviously play video. 37 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.319 Games as well, but like the the the painting has 38 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.200 sort of consumed my existence. 39 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.359 Yeah, I believe we have a seaman up here in 40 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:51.519 the corner here. It's fishing week. Like I said, everybody, 41 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.280 I think seaman might have been chiming in chat. Yes, yeah, 42 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.280 you can interact with with the seaman. Uh he you've 43 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:00.799 used channel point if you want to talk to him, 44 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.879 but I think you can you can tap if you 45 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.560 exclamation point tap. And so I'm pretty sure we're just 46 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:08.479 going to be tapping on this thing a thousand times 47 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:09.080 per streame. 48 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:09.919 We might we. 49 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.560 Might relegate him to the pre show for some of 50 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:14.240 these episodes, but for now, this is good. 51 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:16.319 I'm not sure I care for Sea Man. 52 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:19.479 Yeah, I look, I don't trust him. I don't trust him, 53 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:20.879 but I would never say that to his face. 54 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.120 I don't. I'm afraid of that. Oh grab, I don't know. 55 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.680 Why would you pick him up? Yeah? Touch him? No, 56 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:30.240 he's there's something wrong with see man. 57 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.639 I think I think that there's some sort of disease 58 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:34.560 that if you try to pick him up, it's a problem. 59 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.159 It's like picking up a turtle. You know. Sure, everyone 60 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:39.159 says if you pick up a turtle you're gonna get sicked. 61 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:41.919 Oh okay, I haven't heard that. I've heard if you 62 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:44.360 touch a frog you'd get warts. I've heard that. 63 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.960 Was that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, I I yeah. 64 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:51.800 I was playing umaghari or um yeah umaghari this morning, 65 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.280 which is a weird Japanese speared fishing game, and I 66 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:57.360 was like, oh, it's just spearfishing. And I went like 67 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.960 five feet out in the ocean and a giant mouth 68 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.919 with hair like popped out of the ocean and ate me, 69 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.560 and I think that is the official eventual evolutionary chain 70 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:07.599 for Seaman. 71 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:10.240 That's what he turns into. It's my guest. Don't care 72 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.599 for it. Don't care for it? Not good? 73 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.639 All right, everybody, let's get into things. Let's explain ourselves. 74 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:17.759 We're Giant Bomb. Go to giant bomb dot com slash 75 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.680 join become a premium member. 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I guess GTA six's leaked prices are probably bogus. 101 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:37.680 Reliable insider says this is from Eddie McCoo at GameSpot. 102 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.000 GTA six pre orders go live on June twenty fifth, 103 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.959 that's this week, and ahead of that, one retailer posted 104 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.199 listings for the games showing higher than expected price points. 105 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.839 A prominent and reliable reporter, however, has said those were 106 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.519 just placeholders. A retailer called f Nech in some country 107 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.759 that had GTA six's standard edition at ninety euro, which 108 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:03.040 is a about one hundred US dollars, the listings scaled 109 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.040 all the way up to two hundred euro for like 110 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:07.279 some of the collector's editions. 111 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:08.879 However, Bill bill Coon. 112 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.199 Who is someone that is able to get into these 113 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.079 retailer websites and see what listings are happening and see 114 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.560 the prices, says that he is positive that these are 115 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:22.519 just placeholders. Those are just random prices. I mean the 116 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.319 pricing thing is like, if there was just gonna be seventy, 117 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:26.839 I think they would have told us, And yet it 118 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:28.120 still could just be seventy. 119 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.759 Tailor what are you expecting to pay for grand Theft auto? 120 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:35.279 Six seventy dollars? Yeah, it seventy American dollars. I think 121 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.240 it's I think it's going to be seventy. Actually, yeah, 122 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.000 And now they could charge eighty. And I know that 123 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.439 there's all these financial people saying like, oh, if they 124 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.439 charge eighty, the kind of freeze the rest of the 125 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.639 industry up to be, like maybe one day we could 126 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.360 go to eighty. If this thing is seventy, what other 127 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:51.759 game could ever be eighty dollars? That's gonna be the 128 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:53.319 big question that I think a lot of the industry 129 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:54.160 is going to struggle with. 130 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.560 Absolutely. I mean, I think there's very little chance. 131 00:05:58.600 --> 00:05:59.959 I mean, I wouldn't be I guess I wouldn't be 132 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.639 apprized if they went eighty, but I think that the 133 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.519 there's not really any reason for them to do it. 134 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:08.199 I mean, this game is going to sell eight hundred 135 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:12.279 billion copies regardless, and then you know they're they're looking 136 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.800 to transfer those people into GTA Online or whatever the 137 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:16.399 equivalent does is for. 138 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:22.160 Six anyway, so like they're they're they're making money hand. 139 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.120 Over fists either way. I just don't see them taking 140 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:26.920 the pr hit. 141 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.319 Yes, flat, you know, I mean, and I think the 142 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.920 whole thing here is that we've learned over and over again. 143 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.720 It's a big game like this can come out five 144 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.720 days early at one hundred and twenty dollars one hundred 145 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.079 and thirty dollars, and several million people will do that 146 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:49.199 for Fort to Horizon, so I would expect ten million 147 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.319 people to do that for Grand Theft Auto and then 148 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.199 they get both right, it's just seventy dollars. It's not 149 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.199 some weird headline of this is the game that's going 150 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.480 to start moving the price up. Obviously Mario Kart's already 151 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.600 done that, but we've sort of retreated from I think 152 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.319 Mario Kurry did it, and everyone's like, oh, we were 153 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:04.120 going to try it too. 154 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:07.240 There was some other games. Was it Borderlands for Chad. 155 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.279 I think that that was gonna be eighty dollars and 156 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.160 then they went We're like, oh, never mind, that's going 157 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.639 to be seventy. So it feels like that retreats already happened. 158 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:16.120 So now it's like we're waiting for the next game 159 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.800 to go to eighty and Grand Theft Auto six. If 160 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.000 it's not going to do that, then it kind of 161 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.160 does lock down the rest of the industry. But yeah, 162 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.800 I think you're right, why take the weird pr hit? 163 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.040 You could just have all positive headlines. They really do 164 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:31.959 want that their their stock price so over at Take 165 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.240 two was down a little bit kind of going into this. 166 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.839 It's starting to boost back up now that it's like, oh, 167 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:39.560 the pre orders could happen, and then they also are 168 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.160 going to sell this game at at an average sales 169 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:45.879 price that is much higher than seventy because those first 170 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.759 the first few million sales will be people buying this 171 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:49.959 game to play it early. 172 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:52.759 Right, Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's like, if people are 173 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.920 just gonna give you that money anyway, why again, why 174 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:55.680 take the pr hit? 175 00:07:55.720 --> 00:08:00.000 Why why struggle or why why even put it out there? 176 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.199 Like, hey, you know rock Star is now a greedy company, 177 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:06.519 especially the I mean, you know obviously GTA five online 178 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:08.560 or I guess it's just grab the DOTTA online, isn't 179 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:15.079 it is is so beloved by like a massive group 180 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:20.720 of people. Why even consider messing with that? I mean, 181 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:22.600 we haven't really seen what GTA online is going to 182 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:27.319 look like for six. No, so whether that's like the 183 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:31.920 same thing but just with more island is would be 184 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.320 people would be like stoked, like and so why even 185 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.919 risk messing with the people. 186 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.840 That have formed your your core fan base? Right? I 187 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:43.480 think that's the thing. 188 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:45.960 There's like so many points of failure in this chain 189 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.759 of launching grand theft Auto six in a state that 190 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:51.840 is acceptable, making sure that people are happy about that, 191 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.639 getting the price right, sure, but then they you know, 192 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.519 it doesn't seem like at least you know, I think 193 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:59.120 the rock Stars history is the online mode usually comes 194 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.159 a little bit later, few months later. It's probably gonna 195 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.159 happen here as well. They just have said zero about it. 196 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.360 That could change, could change this week, could change in July. 197 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:09.200 We don't know. 198 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.480 Uh, but yeah, that like they want to they want 199 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:13.720 to make sure feelings are good going into whenever they 200 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.240 do launch GTA Online two or whatever. 201 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:16.840 That looks like. 202 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:19.960 Yeah, so I think that they just take the easy 203 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.559 wins here. Now do they do they Did they think 204 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:24.879 about charging eighty? Did they think about charging one hundred? 205 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:27.320 I'm sure they had those conversations. 206 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:27.600 Right, they had to have. 207 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:29.879 Yeah, Like, there's no way somebody from t K is 208 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.360 and like, yo, can you guys, let's let's let's think 209 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.960 about the upfront the upfront revenue here. Yeah, but like 210 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.039 you know, in a world where uh, in a world 211 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:42.759 where you know, you're looking at the Fortnites of the world, 212 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:44.480 you're looking at the roll boxes of the world. I mean, 213 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:46.559 I guess at this point just the roll bloxes of 214 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:51.720 the world. Uh, not to be rude to Fortnite, but uh, 215 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:53.519 the I think there's a. 216 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:55.679 There. 217 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.080 There's there's just enough evidence out there that, you know, 218 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.679 if you if you're operating out a scale, it's that's 219 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.559 grand enough that there's no really reason to like focus 220 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.840 on that on that uprun revenue. 221 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:11.840 Yeah, I guess we'll find out this week June twenty fifth. Uh, 222 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.240 they're gonna open up pre orders. They don't just open 223 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:17.039 up pre orders. Right, this is like they have to 224 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.159 like blow everything out with a lot of information, right, 225 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.159 you're trying to activate people to spend money. 226 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:23.240 This this is it, right. 227 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.320 I mean, yeah, there's gonna be ads at McDonald's and 228 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:28.120 Taco Bell and right seven eleven and and like, I mean, 229 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:33.360 this is this is the Halo two you know launch situation. 230 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.000 You know, the best buy it's gonna be I guess, 231 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.399 let's maybe not best buy. 232 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.840 Yeah, retailers, Yeah, I strussed. 233 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:44.919 Selle Maker was talking about, oh, the marketing blitz is 234 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:46.759 gonna be big, but like, how is it gonna be 235 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:48.840 different than the last time we launched a grand theft auto? 236 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.440 And the one thing he said was there will be 237 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.639 like fewer network TV ads and things like that. It's like, yeah, 238 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.759 I guess, yes, that makes sense. Yeah exactly why. 239 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.080 Yeah, you're gonna see it on on NBA broadcast for sure, 240 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.440 But like I guess, I guess is over. 241 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.840 But you know you're gonna see God, what I mean, 242 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:08.600 baseball exists? Yeah, I guess basically. 243 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.879 You know, I'm a huge football But yeah, this games out, 244 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.600 This games out November nineteenth, Is that right? 245 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.000 Uh? So they'll do a lot. 246 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.360 Of commercials during primetime football, Like, so I guess there 247 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.559 will be some network ads there and then like ESPN 248 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.919 Monday Night Football and things like that. I guess, yeah, 249 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.919 World Cup, they could do stuff during the World Cup 250 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:34.799 right now. Yeah, hydration the entire hydration break is just 251 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:36.639 a trailer for a grand Theft out of six. 252 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:37.240 Yeah, why not? 253 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.320 I mean the point is they don't super need to 254 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.080 do that, like they don't, like obviously they're gonna have 255 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.240 marketing budget that they are going to spend. They're not 256 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.679 going to not tell anybody about this game, but everyone 257 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.440 already kind of kind of knows about it. H Do 258 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.320 you like when you think about that during like, how 259 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.200 do you approach a marketing campaign like that? Do you 260 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.480 ever have any thoughts about that? Because I'm completely lost 261 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:58.200 on that kind of thing. 262 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.919 I mean, yeah, I mean, like the simple answer is 263 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.200 it's I mean, it's going to sell itself to a 264 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.919 certain degree, but you don't want to take any risks, right, Like, 265 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.039 I mean, you never want to have an instance, especially uh, 266 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:12.679 for a game at the scale of grand the thought 267 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.919 of six, in an instance where somebody is. 268 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:16.720 Like that's out this week, what. 269 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.399 You know, like and I feel like that happens with 270 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.519 Call of Duty pretty regularly, at least for me, where 271 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:25.879 I'm just thinking like, oh wait, yeah, Call of Duty's. 272 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.759 Out this week, what the hell? And uh? 273 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.159 And I think you, I think for a game at 274 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:32.840 the scale of Grand theft Ato, you don't want to 275 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:34.919 do that because you know this is an opportunity for 276 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.919 them to bring in a bunch of new players, especially 277 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.720 because what it's been what the thought of five launched, 278 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:41.960 Like it's. 279 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.039 Twenty twelve soteen years ago, yeah, coming up on fifteen 280 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.759 years Yeah, So like there's there's a whole new generation 281 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:50.200 three team. 282 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.960 I bet Yeah, there's a whole new generation of players 283 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.440 that is looking to get into this thing and start 284 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:03.399 messing around. So it's like, right, you got to build it, right, 285 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:04.399 you got to right. 286 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.080 The hype is there, so why not fuel it, right? Yeah, 287 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.279 So I guess that's what's going to look like. I mean, 288 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:11.840 of course we're talking about this stuff because we just 289 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.080 haven't seen the gameplay yet. The videos, the trailers they've 290 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:18.399 shown so far have have enticed me. There's a lot 291 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.639 of like tech happening there where I'm like, I want 292 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.120 to see what that's like during gameplay. 293 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:23.240 I want to see what that's like when. 294 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.159 I sort of play Grand Theft all of the way 295 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.360 I do, which is as a sandbox. I want to 296 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.679 see what I can make happen here. And if it's 297 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.879 like you know, it's the same kind of stuff as always, well, 298 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:35.320 that's fine because I know this game will be modern 299 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.000 to hell on PC when it eventually comes here or whatever. 300 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:39.720 And that's how I'll really have my fun. 301 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:42.679 But you know, like having this world sort of be 302 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:45.960 a baseline just look like, oh wow, this looks really amazing. 303 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.840 The twerking physics are working good for them. They got 304 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.720 it going, So yeah, I just kind of want to see, 305 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:53.519 all right, what's next? 306 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:55.320 What else do you have? What does the game look like? 307 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:56.840 Have you evolved that stuff at all? 308 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.320 If I walk ten feet off the path you wanted 309 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:01.080 to be, go to go down? Am I going to 310 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.000 get a game over like always? We'll see, I mean 311 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:09.919 probably it's probably yeah. Still Rockstar YEP Incredible PlayStation's PC 312 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:14.320 Port era appears over as Sony's scrubs key policy language. 313 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:17.519 This is from Andy Robinson at VGC, and we kind 314 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:18.679 of knew all of this, but this. 315 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.480 Is definitely making it official. 316 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.000 Sony has removed mention of bringing its first party first 317 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.360 party titles Excuse Me to PC from an annual business report, 318 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.000 seemingly confirming a major policy change. The new annual report 319 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.759 was filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission this weekend, 320 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.600 and thanks to analysis from game File, some notable changes 321 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.799 and emissions have been uncovered. Notably, a line from last 322 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.759 year's report stated that Sony plans to continue its efforts 323 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.960 to deploy its first party titles to multiple platforms such 324 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.440 as PC had been cut entirely from the twenty twenty 325 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.559 six version. This is seemingly the first public emission by 326 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.440 the PlayStation maker of a change in release strategy. 327 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.440 People are wondering, like, didn't they talk about this. 328 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.639 They did in an internal meeting where Herman Holst addressed 329 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.519 the developers, and then that leaked, of course, but they've 330 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.679 not publicly said anything about this change. Following a Bloomberg 331 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:11.679 report earlier this year, they claims Sony was pulling back 332 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.879 from its plans to release its upcoming games on PC, 333 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:15.559 with future single player games set to be. 334 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:16.960 PS five exclusives. 335 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.279 It's also important to point out multiplayer games games that 336 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.399 would make sense to be on everything will probably still 337 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.159 continue to be on most things, maybe not an Xbox, 338 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:29.159 but at least a PC. So yeah, this sort of 339 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:31.879 just puts a period on that sentence tailor where we 340 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.679 were kind of this, we knew this, but it does 341 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.320 feel very like, hey, no, they mean it. This is 342 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:40.840 definitely the case. There's no case by case basis here, 343 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:43.200 just kind of across the board. 344 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:45.320 The big single player games. 345 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:47.279 Are going to be exclusive, and I keep going back 346 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.440 to they got it, They're gonna want to have something 347 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.399 to sell. PS six is because when it comes time 348 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.000 to like sell a hardware based on getting excited about hardware, 349 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.080 that was already going to be difficult, and now in 350 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.600 twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, maybe twenty twenty nine, 351 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.440 who knows when this thing actually comes out, now it's 352 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.759 gonna be so much more difficult because you're gonna pair 353 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:10.080 it with a price that is astronomical. So this makes 354 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:11.519 sense to me, Taylor, how do you read it? 355 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:17.039 I'm I'm really curious to see, Like, you know, obviously 356 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.080 they want to sell hardware, but how important is that 357 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:21.039 gonna be the next generation? 358 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:21.799 Like that? 359 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:24.159 That's sort of what I keep going back to, is 360 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.320 or even when is the next generation gonna even be. 361 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:31.559 I mean, yeah, is. 362 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:32.279 There gonna be one? 363 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:34.399 I mean, there was going to be one, probably in 364 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.759 twenty twenty seven, maybe twenty twenty eight, But now it 365 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:39.600 just feels like if I'm with these companies. First of all, 366 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.039 I probably wasn't feeling too great about that anyhow, sentiment 367 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:44.399 wasn't super excited about that in the first place. 368 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:46.840 Everyone's like, I don't want to talk about that yet. 369 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:48.399 I don't feel like I got enough fount of my 370 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.799 PS five yet. But man, with everything going sideways, it's 371 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:52.559 even worse. 372 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.440 Now, right, Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I mean, like I'm 373 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.240 a guy who I don't own a PS five, like 374 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.080 I have a PS four. I mean, I am a 375 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.960 PlayStation guy since since the since the PS one, but 376 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.920 I never bought a PS five just because it was 377 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.519 hard to find it first. And then I and then 378 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.720 at a certain point, you know, all of Sunny's games 379 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.839 started coming to PC, and I'm I'm primarily a PC gamer, 380 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.799 and so the games that I wanted. 381 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.400 To play I could play, yeah a year later. 382 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.079 But like you know, when now that I'm not a 383 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.559 game journalist anymore, I don't have to play everything day 384 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:29.559 one anyway, So and and and as somebody who you know, 385 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.200 spent a lot of time in this space and and 386 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:32.759 is and is a guy who plays a lot of 387 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:33.400 video games. 388 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:36.000 I kind of wonder how many people are in the 389 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.000 same spot as me. 390 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.680 Where like, yeah, I want to play those games, like 391 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.119 I'm a I'm a big got A Ward twenty eighteen fan, 392 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:47.240 and I like Rag and Rock a whole lot, and. 393 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:50.079 I want to play the new one. 394 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.319 Yeah, so I want to spend you know, how much 395 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:55.920 is a PS five now for the base model? 396 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:56.880 Like six hundred bucks? 397 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.039 Yeah, something like that, Yeah, six hundred and six fifty 398 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:03.400 or something like that. But the PS five pro is 399 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:08.200 what we're approaching one thousand dollars hit, and so PS 400 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:11.599 six seems like it would be more expensive than a 401 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.000 PS five pro. It's nine hundred dollars for a PS 402 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.359 five pro. So we are talking about PS six approaching 403 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.160 one thousand dollars. You know, maybe it's not, but it 404 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.519 probably is. And I just so here here's what I'm 405 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:26.519 hearing from you, Taylor, where it's like you are talking 406 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.039 you're like already sort of talked yourself out of a 407 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.640 PS five and you're not interested in sort of convincing 408 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.359 yourself to go back and buy that thing. I think 409 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.279 that conversation's even harder for a PS six And now 410 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:39.559 that's I think Sony knows that. 411 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:41.480 That's why they're bringing back the exclusives. 412 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.440 That's why they're like, hey, these games will not come 413 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:46.279 to PC, do not wait, not going to happen. And 414 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:48.240 I think I have I think they hold that for 415 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:50.480 a while and then they flip back after some time 416 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.039 when it's like, eh, you know what, we sold enough 417 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.480 PS six's or whatever. But maybe selling a PS six 418 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:58.480 and a thousand dollars is just kind of going to 419 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:00.319 be broken no matter what they have on there. 420 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.319 I don't know, Yeah, I'm I'm really curious. 421 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.039 I mean, you know, I'm somebody who's not you know, 422 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:09.079 I'm not immune to hype, you know. Like the only 423 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:11.720 the only reason I had there's there's an Xbox Series 424 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:14.400 Acts in my living room. The only reason that that 425 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.640 is there is because on on pre order day, I 426 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.359 just hopped on Amazon and was just like, can I 427 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.160 get one? And sure enough managed to pull one off 428 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.680 because I'm me and I managed to get pre orders 429 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.920 constantly on things that I shouldn't. 430 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:37.839 Uh, And I don't know, maybe maybe maybe maybe, like 431 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:38.160 you know. 432 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:42.119 Like the there might they might drop a new exclusive 433 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:42.359 of that. 434 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:44.759 I'm like, hell, yeah, I want I want that right now? 435 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:45.359 You know. Yeah? 436 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:50.559 Uh, there was like We're Destiny three is launched title 437 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:55.720 for the p S six and be like, ship, I 438 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:56.359 gotta get that. 439 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.200 So who knows, But I mean, it's it's got to 440 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:03.240 be it's got to be. 441 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:08.039 Something at a level that like people like me are 442 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.799 are I think you're right excited enough about Yeah, And 443 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:13.640 I don't know what that game is for, like the 444 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:14.400 mass audience. 445 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.640 Yeah, And it's like that's got to be harder and 446 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.359 therefore more expensive to make than ever before. So it's 447 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:24.039 like they already are selling very expensive hardware that is 448 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:26.400 going to be hard for them to source. And then 449 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:28.559 on top of that, they got to make a game 450 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:31.880 that stands out from a crowd of amazing games, and 451 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:36.480 not just amazing games, countless games, because there's like innumerable 452 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:38.039 games that will be coming out from all kinds of 453 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.480 developers of all scales and sizes, across all kinds of devices, 454 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.279 and some of those pop off and take over the world. 455 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:46.359 And so you're gonna like, Okay, well we're gonna go 456 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:50.400 spend six hundred million dollars to make a game that 457 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:52.200 might sell PS six's. 458 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:53.920 It's a tough business. 459 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.240 To be in, and uh, yeah, absolutely they have some 460 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.519 they have some answers to this. This story continues elsewhere 461 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.039 and Sony's business report. It has added a new section 462 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.519 about how Sony is utilizing AI to unleash the creativity 463 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:10.720 of studios and further enhance the PlayStation experience. That is 464 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.440 a new thing for this business report. They had previously 465 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.039 not mentioned AI. I'll say previously up until kind of 466 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:20.599 this point, up until recently, it was Sony had been 467 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:23.559 instructing a lot of its developers to not use AI, like, hey, 468 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.240 we don't We were afraid of the legal ramifications. Obviously 469 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:29.319 that's changed and they don't want to be left behind, 470 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.240 and they are looking for some answers here because I'll 471 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.240 continue once one more paragraph here. The Sony Report has 472 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.720 also removed the word profitable from its immediate aims, likely 473 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.640 in light of the ongoing component shortage that has caused 474 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.480 hardware prices to soar. So yeah, they're like, hey, look, 475 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.000 we're not going to be profitable right now, but maybe 476 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:50.440 AI will bring it back. 477 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:52.839 And it's just like, oh, they have no answers to this, 478 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:53.720 and of course they don't. 479 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:56.000 Like we were just talking about Taylor, this is a 480 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:58.799 very difficult problem to solve. The one lever that a 481 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.880 big company like Sony could hole is they could spend 482 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:05.279 more money making a game than anyone else, and they 483 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:07.519 sort of work themselves into a shoot there where now 484 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:09.480 they kind of have top would have to do that 485 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:09.920 same thing. 486 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:10.920 They'd have to spend more. 487 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.440 Money than they're comfortable with, I think, and that's that's 488 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.160 the position they find themselves in as they. 489 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.119 Go to p S six. So yeah, it's it's a 490 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:19.279 rock and a hard place. 491 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:20.000 Man, What do you think? 492 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:22.839 I mean? I am curious. 493 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.000 I mean, like like I'm an AI skeptic for sure, 494 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.119 by a by no search of the imagination of my 495 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:31.240 giant AI guy. 496 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:36.720 But I mean I think I think there are I 497 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:38.880 I mean I I think, you know, in a lot 498 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:39.680 of ways, like. 499 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.759 The the affordability of A and the speed of AI 500 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:47.680 has sort of proven itself to be it's a less thing, 501 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.200 gayzy or whatever. Yeah, yeah, and so I think there's 502 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.680 there there's a lot to be said there where it's like, hey, 503 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.640 you know, like I think the pendulums and swinging back 504 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:02.240 pretty hard on the AI thing. I think that there's 505 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.039 gonna be a situation where a lot of companies are 506 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:07.119 being like, Okay, you know, now that we have to 507 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.400 pay for tokens, Now that we have to pay for 508 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.279 you know, the usage of this thing, Hey, maybe we 509 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:13.720 don't need to use it as much as we used 510 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:13.799 to it. 511 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:15.480 We thought we maybe a human would be cheaper. 512 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.240 Yeah, yeah, exactly, and and and you know, and we 513 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:22.799 don't have to take the pr hit again from using AI. 514 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:29.640 So so yeah, it's a whole thing. I'm really curious, uh, 515 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:36.400 you know, like it it's so hard because like A 516 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:38.720 is one of those things that I'm like, I'm I'm 517 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.680 kind of I'm not kind of I'm morally opposed to 518 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:49.000 an artistic expression, but I'm also wondering what happens when 519 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.519 it goes away. What's gonna what that crash is going 520 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.119 to look like? You know, we thought it was gonna 521 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:57.400 be the you know, the n f T thing was 522 00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:59.440 going to be this big, you know, universal crash, but 523 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:00.920 this is so much bigger. 524 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:02.960 This is much much bigger order to make. 525 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:06.559 Yeah, and it's gonna be really curious to see what 526 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.839 happens when that money is no longer coming in and 527 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.000 what's gonna happen to game developers, And I'm really really 528 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:17.799 nervous about that, especially with the state of the industry 529 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:18.200 right now. 530 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.319 Yeah, it's I think that the issue is that these 531 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.440 companies are, like even Sony at this point, like when 532 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:28.759 we kind of can look around and see that the 533 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:32.319 expenditure required to do AI on the scale that they're 534 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.200 talking about doesn't make sense. Maybe it will one day, 535 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.880 that's what they are choosing to believe, I guess, but 536 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:42.880 in this moment, it doesn't look like it. And that's 537 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.559 that's your your plot sort of to dig yourself out 538 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.839 of the hole of figuring out what's next. And it's like, 539 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.680 you know, PlayStation is on top of this heap in 540 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.079 a lot of ways. They do make a lot of 541 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.720 money from gaming, but they do like it is a 542 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.000 cyclical business and you have to sort of restart everything 543 00:24:59.039 --> 00:24:59.640 every few years. 544 00:24:59.720 --> 00:24:59.839 Now. 545 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:02.279 They did solve that in a big way with the 546 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.640 PlayStation Online PlayStation network. They're with the play we're going 547 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:09.039 from PS four to PS five. They did not experience 548 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.839 the massive decline in revenue that they saw in all 549 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.799 previous like one generation to the next transitions, and so 550 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:16.599 it's like, okay, so they can kind of pave that 551 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:20.920 over and make things work. But it's people do seem 552 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:22.839 like they're like beginning to get burnt out by the 553 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.119 things that drove that, which was Fortnight's and and maybe 554 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.720 Grand Theft Auto onlines now I guess maybe Grand Theft 555 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:30.880 Auto six comes and changes that. 556 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:32.119 We were just talking about that. 557 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.759 But yeah, they know that, like they're like this stuff 558 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.960 could fall apart on them at any moment, so they 559 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.440 have to try something. And every time we're like kind 560 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:40.880 of waiting to be like, all right, sony, you're the 561 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:42.839 big creative company with a lot of money, who owns 562 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:43.400 this space. 563 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:44.799 What are your answers? 564 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.599 And they just never seem to have anything that feels 565 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.359 like it's going to sustain them long term. 566 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.440 Yeah, oh we have clearly like obviously not right. 567 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:56.640 Yes, they like they're just completely long and they don't 568 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.319 even have the benefit of being like really profit right, 569 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.559 They're they're profit margins they were just saying are three percent, 570 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:06.759 which is below inflation. That's basically losing money therefore, so yeah, 571 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.400 like they're completely lost. 572 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:09.000 That. 573 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.240 The scary part to me though, is like the company 574 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.039 on top is also lost. It's like everyone is has 575 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.559 their back to the wall here and it's looking around 576 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.200 for an escape. And the levers they pull are AI exclusives, 577 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.079 the thing that they were doing a couple of years ago, 578 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:25.680 and they're like, well, that's not making enough money, so 579 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:27.400 it's change it. And like, well, now we're not making 580 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.720 enough money, so it's change it back. And then what 581 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:32.720 else are they? Like, are they going to do a 582 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.000 new generation that's going to be one thousand dollars? 583 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.119 Uh? It's you know, you know I feel this way. 584 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.200 I remember had Jason Tryer on the couch and kind 585 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:42.599 of like talking him about it, is like, yeah, no, 586 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.680 it's gonna get way fucking worse. I can't say this 587 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:46.599 on Bloomberg TV when I go on there, but it's 588 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.359 just gonna get worse. And it's like, yeah, I don't 589 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:51.440 think there are a lot of answers. That's what this 590 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.440 keeps saying, keeps saying to me when they talk about 591 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:54.359 ali AI. 592 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.079 Like this, Yeah, I'm really really curious. It's gonna be 593 00:26:58.359 --> 00:26:58.920 a situation. 594 00:26:59.160 --> 00:26:59.319 Now. 595 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.759 May I recommend and rather than video games, you get 596 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:05.759 into a tabletop war gaming. 597 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.640 I'm gonna paint. Look at the end of this little 598 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.559 dude like, look a little orc guy. He's got a 599 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.559 hammer and like a little like a little visor like 600 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:14.960 you know. 601 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.279 I'm telling you, man, it's the the get get back 602 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:19.599 out there into the real world. 603 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:20.480 It sucks out there. 604 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.319 It's kind of I mean, I'm again, I live in 605 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.880 La so it's uh, it's a little stinky right now 606 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:28.039 with all the we keep having fires. 607 00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.039 So uh you know that's how this that's how this 608 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:36.920 life works. So uh so yeah, it's it's it's gonna 609 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:37.680 be it's gonna be weird. 610 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:39.720 I might just I might just skip over painting the 611 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.720 little guys and go straight to like painting tanks and 612 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.240 planes and stuff, some World War II stuff. 613 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.079 I've got a tank sitting somewhere over here. Hell yeah, 614 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:48.519 he's not he's not painted yet. 615 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.359 Yeah, show me, show me what you got. I just 616 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.960 got him primed up. This is a tonk oh look 617 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:56.839 at that. That's yeah. I love that. 618 00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.240 It's got a little rott got a little rotating guy 619 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:01.079 and I I'm thinking orange. 620 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.759 I'm thinking yeah, okay, like like a nice like like 621 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:05.640 a like a like an. 622 00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:08.680 Advanced word advanced wars. Yeah, hell yeah, okay, please show 623 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:09.240 me when you're done. 624 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.559 I love I will certainly. 625 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:11.960 I will certainly show you when I when I have 626 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.720 completed my talk, shouts out the tonk, shout outs out 627 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:16.000 the talk. 628 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.720 All right, let's uh, let's wrap up that conversation. We're 629 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:21.440 going to take a break, everybody. When we come back, 630 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.880 plenty more headlines to get into, including is any mush 631 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.559 you're gonna move? We don't know yet. We'll talk about 632 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.680 it right after these messages. If you want to skip 633 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.519 out on these giant bomb dot com saus joined premium members, 634 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.440 get app reversions, We'll be right back. 635 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:36.960 We're back. 636 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.680 It's Game mess Mornings. That's Taylor coc I'm Jeff Grubb. 637 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.559 We are going to get back into the headlines here 638 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.759 with Annie Musha Way of the Sword maybe releasing earlier 639 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:47.880 than planned. This is from John Clark at Day one. 640 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.640 The year of Capcom being Awesome is set to continue 641 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.759 with their latest title, Anni Mushow Way of the Sword. 642 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.119 It's set to release in late September, in what is 643 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.599 already a very busy period. However, at least according to 644 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.079 one Retailerani Musha Way of the Sword may be releasing 645 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.400 earlier than planned. This discussion all stems from a recent 646 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.160 post shared on Blue Sky from cheap ass Gamer, which 647 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.359 I'm glad it's still out there doing their thing, which 648 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.079 lists one retailer, pm P Games as having set a 649 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:18.240 new estimated shipping date as September fourth instead of September 650 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.039 twenty fifth, Taylor, were you paying much attention to all 651 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.799 these release dates getting piled up at the end of 652 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:26.720 September because everyone wants to avoid I guess Call of 653 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.200 Duty in October and then Grand Theft Auto six in November. 654 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.119 You see all this. I was noticing this during the 655 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:34.359 during SGF. 656 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:35.920 It's like, oh wait, hold on, there's a lot of 657 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:40.960 stuff happening in September, which is I feel like it's 658 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.799 kind of a September is a weird relief, know right, 659 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:44.440 Like it's. 660 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.079 It's yeah, I mean, it's not like super crazy, but 661 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.039 it's it's not like an. 662 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:50.240 Unheard of for holidays, right if you say holidays a 663 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.160 game has come out in September after saying it was 664 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.599 coming out during the holidays before. But you're right, it's 665 00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.599 not like people usually come out for their big games, 666 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.079 like the big game that they want to sell for 667 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.839 the holidays October and November, and there were so many 668 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.799 in September and specifically that last week of September. 669 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:09.759 You like everyone knew what was happening. It is not 670 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:11.759 some mystery, it's not rocket science. 671 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.039 We know what happened here, and then it happened so 672 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.480 much that now they had the same exact problem of like, oh, 673 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.839 you know, instead of just competing with Grand Theft Auto 674 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:25.240 or Wolverine or whatever, now we're dealing with just countless 675 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.319 other games that maybe are at the same scale that 676 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:29.519 we're at, and this could be a problem, and maybe 677 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.240 even a bigger problem. So I was kind of wondering, 678 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.079 all right, if someone was gonna break, do they try 679 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:35.799 to break and go like, oh, maybe we'll come out 680 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.799 in early November and go out like come out two 681 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.200 weeks before Grand Theft Auto and hope that we can 682 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.680 sort of survive there, or do they try to move 683 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:45.279 it up and here we are the first one might 684 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:45.960 be moving up. 685 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.680 I guess we have not had this confirmed yet. 686 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.039 Yeah, I mean, I think there's I think you anywhere 687 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.119 within a I don't want to put a hard date 688 00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.160 on it, but like it feels like anywhere between like 689 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.960 three to four weeks of Grand Theft Auto is like 690 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:00.799 pretty brave. 691 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:02.519 I think. 692 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.359 I think ocriant of Time remake might do that because 693 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:06.920 it's it's oh yeah, it's where there will be no 694 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.279 Grand the Thoughto and at Zelda. 695 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.240 It'll be fine. Yeah, that'll be fine. 696 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.920 I think I think Nintendo is sort of immune to this, yes, 697 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.559 just because they're Nintendo, and you know, quite frankly, I'll 698 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.200 be buying Acreanta time before I buy Yeah, that's just me. 699 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.319 I'm I'm not a big Grand Theftoto guy, just sort 700 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:30.480 of generally. But do I even play five? 701 00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:31.960 Now they think about it. 702 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.079 I didn't like play through the story of five, but 703 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.400 I would. I would put it on install some Hods 704 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.440 and me and Steph would have I mean just me, 705 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.000 she was a teacher at the time. I would have 706 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.240 Colorado Knights and just play around and mess around and 707 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:44.839 try to see what mayhem we can get into. 708 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.160 And that was that's the way to play that. 709 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:51.839 And this is completely off topic, but the the I 710 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.319 think of Grand Theftoughto is like a game that my 711 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.119 parents like. 712 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.960 Weirdly, my parents are not gaming people, sure. 713 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.000 But like my I have a very distinct memory of 714 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.680 my mom playing Vice City and just mowing people down 715 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:06.319 and cackling. 716 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.160 I mean, it's it's a game that you could put 717 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:11.680 you put in, like especially back then, you would put 718 00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.480 it on, it would captivate the entire house party. Like 719 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:16.640 that's where I was playing it at the whole house 720 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:18.480 partyd be like oh yeah, when is it my turn? 721 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.079 And that we need but yeah, no, we'll pass the 722 00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.359 controller around and it would eventually get around to the 723 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.759 mom that was there that was like yeah, it would 724 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.119 normally just be drinking in the corner. 725 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.640 Yeah, absolutely sadistic, just lowing people down. 726 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.319 But anyway, yeah, no that I think there's like a 727 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.119 weird because we talk about this every time a grand 728 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.640 theft data comes out, right, like you know, like I 729 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:41.519 remember talking about this on some podcast in twenty thirteen, 730 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.720 talking about like you know what's gonna happen, and we 731 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:44.880 got to get the hell out of the way. And 732 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.000 then you know, every time they announced a new release 733 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.680 date that is inevitably going to get delayed, everyone gets 734 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:54.119 out of the way again. And it's it's weird because 735 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.000 like at a certain point, I do I do kind 736 00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.960 of wonder if Theft Auto holds the same cachet that 737 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.440 it once did. It's it's gonna sell a hundred billion 738 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:07.559 copies anyway, I will. 739 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.160 Probably actually literally sell one hundred million Grand Theft Auto five. 740 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.920 I think is that, like, chan't correct me? Two hundred 741 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:14.160 and fifty million copies sold? 742 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.799 Like that? Yeah, that's it's nice. 743 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:23.640 It's inexplicable, like it's legitimately hard to explain, but. 744 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:25.839 It's like at a certain point, it's like that's gonna 745 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.559 be the game that is it? Is it a one? 746 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.960 Is that a one game year? The person who buys 747 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:32.880 one game a year? Is that the one game that 748 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:33.240 they buy? 749 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.559 It's I know what I mean, I do think it is, though, 750 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:37.079 I think it is. I think it's the reason that 751 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.880 they buy a console. Now we'll see if they show 752 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.519 up for these and more expensive consoles. 753 00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:42.279 But they I don't know. 754 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:44.759 They might just be like, no matter what, I have 755 00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:48.240 to play Grand Theft Auto. I'll tell you what. When 756 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.119 we were just talking about like, oh do we move 757 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.039 the date forward or back? And you were saying the 758 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.359 three to four week period of rank Grand Theft Auto avoid, 759 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.119 I was like, yeah, do you have to? And you know, right, 760 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:02.079 I see all these companies all deciding yes, you have to. 761 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.480 And my guess here, my gut is gut reaction is 762 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.839 they know something we don't they are looking at data 763 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.519 and going, yeah, actually it is right to avoid that completely. 764 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:13.559 But I don't know. 765 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.159 I feel like one game is gonna sneak in in 766 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.679 a few weeks beforehand and do way better than anyone's 767 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.559 expecting I And there's also like gonna be yeah, oh yeah, 768 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.400 for sure a friend stop game will just like actually 769 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.199 take over that month and it will be very funny 770 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:27.039 when we're all playing that way more than Grand Theft 771 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:27.679 Auto six. 772 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:31.960 Ye, you know, the whatever, whatever the New Peak is, 773 00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:34.960 it's gonna be like this game that is like, oh, 774 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.719 why would I play Grand Theft Auto when I can 775 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.840 play Peak, you know, Peak two. It's it's gonna be great. 776 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:41.519 I'm gonna love it. 777 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.840 We do have a story about the New Peak basically 778 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.320 coming up here in a second. Let's uh, let's keep going. 779 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.559 A CD Project Read CEO cis Cyberpunk didn't finish its 780 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.760 Redemption arc. This is from Chris Scullion at VGC and 781 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.320 basically the CEO basically said, er co CEO that Cyberpunk 782 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.360 twenty seventy seven never full won back the trust that 783 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:06.079 that CD Project read once had, And I think that's 784 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.199 that's accurate. I think that game redeemed itself, but maybe 785 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:11.679 didn't complete it to the point where it's like and 786 00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:15.119 now CD Project Read is unassailable the way it was 787 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.679 coming out of Witcher three and going into Cyberpunk twenty 788 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:18.360 seventy seven. 789 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.679 I look, what does this story really mean. 790 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.760 I'll just say to me, what it says is that 791 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.440 it's good that they are still thinking that way, that 792 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.559 they don't think that they have redeemed themselves completely, and 793 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:33.440 that they're going to like maintain some humility and be 794 00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.719 kind of humble going into whatever Witcher four is gonna be. 795 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:38.800 And that's what that's what the story says. 796 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:40.559 He's like, Hey, we're we intend to sort of like 797 00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.559 get back to that point with the next game and 798 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.760 make sure that it launches in a way that is 799 00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.480 nothing like Cyberpunk. I. You know, at this point does 800 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.920 feel like a little bit forgotten just how bad Cyberpunk 801 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:55.000 was at launch, Like it got delisted from PlayStation. Jeff 802 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.760 Kerseman did an interview in Germany because the news that 803 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.119 the news there was like what's going on with the 804 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.519 Cyberpunk game? Like it was crazy, it was off the 805 00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:06.960 chain crazy. So, yeah, they got that game to a 806 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.360 point where most people like it quite a bit. I 807 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.519 think it's a good game. I don't think it never 808 00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:13.159 became a great game for me, but it's clearly a 809 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.920 good game at least, and a lot of people do 810 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.599 think it's great. So now this studio going into Witcher four, 811 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.800 I don't think they're in some like precarious footing, but 812 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.840 they are not on the same footing they once were. 813 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.440 Do you think they can regain it? I mean shit, 814 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.280 I hope so. And like you know, the Witcher three 815 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:30.760 is one of my favorite games of all time. Like, 816 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:36.719 I fucking love the Witcher three. I don't know, I 817 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:36.920 have this. 818 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.719 I have this really odd memory of so back when 819 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.400 in when that game was coming out. It was twenty 820 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.360 twenty right, or might have been early twenty twenty one. 821 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.840 Here comes my cat the. 822 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.719 The I was working at a company called ven TV. 823 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:03.039 I don't know if people remember ven TV almost don't worry. 824 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:04.840 Yeah it was uh. 825 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.119 It was a good way to make a bunch of 826 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:13.760 money and then get fired. Yeah one of those industry Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 827 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.760 But I remember we we we were playing it, playing 828 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:21.519 one point zero on stream and having our I was 829 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.480 a writer, and then our hosts were playing it on 830 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.480 stage and. 831 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:28.719 Holy ship. 832 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.039 That game was bad, like it was immediate, like it 833 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.239 was crazy, like we we did we did like a 834 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.960 week of cyberpunk, or we planned to do a week 835 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:38.559 of cyberpunk. 836 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.400 The first day we did character creation. The second day 837 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:41.760 we started you know, the first. 838 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.719 Mission, and it was like, oh, this is fucked like 839 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.039 it's it's we We stopped doing it like after day 840 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:51.000 two because we're like this game just it looks bad 841 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.960 like we had. You know, this is a company that 842 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.519 spent way too much money on hardware. If you if 843 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.039 anyone nobody remembers mean TV. The only people in the 844 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:02.719 industry remember me. But uh, we had this massive stage 845 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.800 with led lights and the blah blah blah and like 846 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.079 you know, super fancy screens and everything, and so we're 847 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.039 putting it up on the big screen and we got 848 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.000 you know, whatever we must have had. 849 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:12.840 I think it was probably thirty nineties at the time, 850 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.800 whatever the high whatever the high end shit in the 851 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.239 hardware was, and it was just it looked bad, It 852 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.360 played bad. It was buggy as shit, and. 853 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.360 It was like whoa okay, you know, coming off the 854 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.599 Witch of Three, which again I don't want I want 855 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.519 people to remember this like like this is something that 856 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:34.840 people don't talk about. The Witcher three enough, that was 857 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.440 also fucked at launch, Like it was fucked. 858 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.719 But like right, and the reputation built over time, and 859 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.119 it was like set by the way people came to 860 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.519 that game, which is most people who played Witcher three 861 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:47.519 came to it years later. 862 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.440 The majority of that audience came into it years later. 863 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.519 The majority of the audience that played Cyberpunk twenty seventy 864 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.119 seven at this point probably still is on day one. 865 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:57.800 It sold a ton of copies on day one. So yeah, 866 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:02.239 that's the big difference. There'll so Zaric, Yes, shout out 867 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.079 to Fife. Emma's was the best. Yes, uh but uh 868 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.119 yeah I was Emma's writer. I wrote a lot of 869 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.039 ones that came out of m as my Emma's mouth. 870 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.960 Uh but uh no, but uh yeah, like it's again, yeah, 871 00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:21.119 the Witcher three, Like they changed the way that garyl 872 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.480 moved in that game, Like yes, that's right, Like they 873 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.639 they revamped movement in that game, not just like bug 874 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:31.119 fixes or anything, like, they. 875 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.280 Revamped the way it feels to interact with the character. Yes, yes, 876 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:37.880 like and and and. 877 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:39.920 If you go back even further, like I mean, I 878 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.639 think I'm I'm a Witcher two guy, like I love 879 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.480 Witcher three, but like I'm a Witcher two guy. 880 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:46.880 But if you go back, you can play the first Witcher, 881 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:49.960 which I think that remake just came out. They're doing. 882 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:51.880 I think they're doing a full remake that's coming soon. 883 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:53.800 Ye oh right there, right, yeah, yeah, there's like the 884 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:54.559 enhanced editions. 885 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.320 Sorr. I'm gonna make sure my other cat doesn't jump 886 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.320 on my don't jump on my knise, my kiddy cat. 887 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.760 The there are too many cats in this household. And 888 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:06.039 by that I mean too you mean two is too 889 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:10.400 many cats? Uh huh uh. But the. 890 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.079 But no, yeah, you go back to the Witch A one, 891 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.079 and I think people were when they played the remaker 892 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:18.199 are going to realize. 893 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.199 That game is also fucked, like like like City Project 894 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.239 Red doesn't make at least on. 895 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.280 Launch when a game. When when a new Wacher game 896 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:33.440 launches or new City Project Red game launches, it's oftentimes 897 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:34.079 not great. 898 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.440 They're they're doing so much and yeah, and I think 899 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.880 they focused on a handful of things and then they 900 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.679 almost just do need that brute force of a critical 901 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.760 mass of people playing it to be like here's where 902 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:52.920 the real friction points are uh. Now, of course they 903 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.639 probably could test that stuff out, but they they've been 904 00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.400 they were kind of like a scrappier than you know, 905 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.239 Central European develop part that was just like we're going 906 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.719 to figure this out and put it out there and 907 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:04.760 try to make some money and then we'll go uh. 908 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.559 And now they they kind of don't have that that 909 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:08.480 pass anymore. 910 00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.599 They do have to get it right at launch because 911 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:14.039 people have such huge expectations for these things. Now, that's 912 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.800 not the way people people like people talked about the 913 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:18.639 Witcher and then Witcher two was like, oh, you know 914 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:20.760 that this kind of continues, and then they got better. 915 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:22.199 And then Witcher three came out and said, wait, this 916 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.360 is pretty good except for this and this and this, 917 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.519 and then as the expansions came out for Witcher. So 918 00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.239 that's when things really clicked. That's when it really changed. 919 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:33.880 So now, yeah, blood and Wine is the name of 920 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:38.119 the lesion. I think so, yes, oh the exceptional. It's 921 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.760 just tremendous, like it's it's when they hit they hit. 922 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.519 Yes, but no, but I mean I think, yeah, I 923 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.119 think you're right, like you're talking about like you know, 924 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.320 you heard whispers of the Witcher early on, like I remember, 925 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.320 you know, thinking of it like twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty. 926 00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:54.880 I remember, I remember Vinnie talking about it. Yeah, I 927 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.000 remember him like being a Witcher guy, which are one. 928 00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.360 Yeah, and you just sort of heard like, you know, 929 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.199 this sort of like euroslop is what we were calling 930 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.239 it at the time. We've been calling games slop for 931 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.519 a long time. It was like that, and like Metro 932 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.880 twenty thirty three and like Stalker, we're sort of all 933 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.119 in the same conversation. Was there like this weird like 934 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:15.800 Eastern European. 935 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.519 Like chance then, you know, and that we were calling 936 00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.079 it euro jank but maybe euro jink. That's what it was, 937 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:26.679 absolutely euro jank. My apologies, chat that was my bad. 938 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.199 They take their very seriously over here. 939 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:30.480 Yeah, So like. 940 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.039 There's but there is, uh, there's a lot of that 941 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.480 sort of stuff floating around at the time. And and 942 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.519 when the Witcher two came out, sort of that that 943 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.920 sort of like euro jank thing kind of exploded and 944 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.159 and saying like oh, this can sort of transcend that 945 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:52.760 these aren't these aren't games for complete sickos. These are 946 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.400 games that can sort of like be interesting in their 947 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.000 own rights and I think and and and I have 948 00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.960 a theory here, but like we can talk about this later, 949 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.719 we'll talk about this scrub, but it's it's it's I 950 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.320 think I think from Soft did a lot of work 951 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:11.039 for them. Yeah, in that like those when Demon Souls 952 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.119 and Dark Souls started to get it started to pop off, 953 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.400 They're like people like, oh, we can play junky games 954 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.719 and get weird with it, and so like then people 955 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.719 were kind of more ready for the Wincher two. People 956 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:21.320 were kind of more ready to go back to the 957 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.639 Witcher one. People were ready to play you know, those 958 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:25.719 metro games or Stalker. I think I think there was 959 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.199 like that sort of like change in mentality of like hey, 960 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.199 we can play these jinky hard games kind of shifted 961 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:33.920 over and people were saying like, oh now we can 962 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:35.840 now that this feels a little bit better to uh 963 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:36.719 to play those games. 964 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.960 Yeah, I think from Stuff did a lot of work. 965 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.039 You're right to like sort of open up people's tastes 966 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.119 and and kind of get it get it away from 967 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.480 the shiniest, most most machene, most polish, just massive games 968 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.400 that obviously had a ton of money spent on them, 969 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.920 and instead it was like, what's actually. 970 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.599 Happening here, like what can I actually interact with? How 971 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:59.599 does it feel to play? And from stuff does should 972 00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.239 get somedit for that? All right, let's keep going here. 973 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.320 Unreal Engine veteran leaves Epic Games says the industry is 974 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.599 at a pivotal point. This is from Chris calling at 975 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.360 VGC sort of just used this as a jumping off 976 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.760 point for kind of where that Unreal Engine developer updates 977 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.440 sort of left things sejored DeJong has worked with Unreal 978 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.679 since he was fifteen back in nineteen ninety nine, and 979 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.960 he's been at Epic, I think for the last twelve years. 980 00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.960 And he just said, after twenty seven years of Unreal 981 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.360 Engine and twelve years at Epic Games and Unreal Engine, 982 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:32.480 I have decided to move on. 983 00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:34.880 Last week was my last week at Epic. 984 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.239 This has been an awesome ride that has been truly 985 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.239 has been truly life changing in so many ways. I 986 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:43.119 didn't have an easy child, childhood or youth, and things 987 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.000 weren't going anywhere, but all that changed entirely when I 988 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.480 discovered Unreal Engine. Unreal Engine one, two, three put me 989 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.360 on a very interesting trajectory for life, which in turn 990 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.679 had a profound impact on myself as a person, my 991 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.119 personal growth and opportunities that opened up, and then Unreal 992 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.239 Engine four and five did it all over again. Having 993 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.360 gone through the whole of the Unreal Engine four era 994 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.880 and then the Unreal Engine five era. While at Epic, 995 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.719 it gave me a tremendously wide and deep view across 996 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.679 the industry and the world, dozens of countries visited. 997 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:13.519 Blah blah blah. Let me kind of jump here. 998 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.159 But all that being said, I feel this era has 999 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.159 come to a close and it is time to move forward. 1000 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.000 The industry is in a very interesting place. The games 1001 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.039 industry has always been an interesting uh an industry where 1002 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.559 change is relentless and inevitable. But it feels like we 1003 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.440 are reaching a pivotal pivotal point now and a potent 1004 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:33.800 mix of things. As much as I love the old 1005 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.000 ways of working, I think it would be strategic to 1006 00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.280 come to terms with where this is heading and to 1007 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.599 work out how to adapt and excel at solving the 1008 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.320 challenges and opportunities that we face. 1009 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:44.440 Let's see where we end up. 1010 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.000 Jeong does not say that he's leaving because of AI, 1011 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.239 but this does come as Unreal Engine six the sort 1012 00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:56.559 of debut of that thing, made a big deal about Hey, uh, 1013 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.880 you know that thing, that visual scripting language that UNRE 1014 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.800 had that Expedition thirty three was coded in, and that 1015 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.360 Game of the Year was coded in that everyone really loved. 1016 00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:08.599 Well, we're we're getting rid of that. We're not going 1017 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:09.360 to have that anymore. 1018 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.320 Instead, just use claud code to do everything, rigging, to 1019 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.280 make the textures for your characters, animations, everything will be 1020 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.159 done in Claude code. And I think people who sort 1021 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:24.039 of here's what it sounds like to me, this person DeJong, 1022 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.559 is it like fell in love with the with becoming 1023 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:31.280 an expert in how these systems work together to make games, 1024 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.800 And to them that was the art, that was the 1025 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.159 thing that drove their passion. 1026 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:37.760 And I think that comes through here. 1027 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.079 And I think it's also one of the things that 1028 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.199 probably made this industry special over the last fifteen years 1029 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:46.719 or so and going far beyond that. And they see 1030 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.880 that slipping away and getting replaced by something else. Now, 1031 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:56.039 the very optimistic argument would be, well, this is democratization. 1032 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.880 Everyone can now make something. But I think there's something 1033 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:03.119 be said for uh, there was a there's a wizard 1034 00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.239 back there working an epic that really knows how all 1035 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.960 this stuff works and they're making magic happen. 1036 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.920 And that's my own experience, right, Like you know, you 1037 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.199 like try. 1038 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:13.880 To see how these people like you go play some 1039 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.800 like vibe coded games or whatever, like okay, let's see 1040 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.239 if anyone's actually making anything here, and then you go 1041 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.280 play something by someone who actually knows what they're doing, 1042 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.440 or like, you know, we have Chuck made a game 1043 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.840 for us, you know, a while back, and it's like 1044 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.320 that was just someone figuring out how this stuff works. 1045 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.480 And having that person that actually knows how things work 1046 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.559 is still special to me, and I don't want this 1047 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.000 industry to lose that, but they might be opting to 1048 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.079 leave because they don't see a future for themselves. 1049 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.880 This is yeah, Grant Wild, Yeah, it seems it seems dark, 1050 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.760 Like I mean, it's it's it's. 1051 00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:50.039 We obviously have to have creatives in the industry, right, 1052 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.920 Like I mean, that's that's that's important. But like you know, 1053 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:58.960 games are so technical and making games is such a 1054 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:03.159 technical endeavor that it when you start losing the people 1055 00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:09.440 that can kind of do both, it gets a little wonky. 1056 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:16.159 I think it's it's I don't even know where I 1057 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:17.679 don't even know where to start with it, because. 1058 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.639 It's it's one of those things where you're like, yeah, people, 1059 00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.400 you know, you have the classic concept in the videogame 1060 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.519 industry of the idea guy, right, and every every sixteen 1061 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.039 year old kid imagines himself to be the idea guy 1062 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.800 for a new game. Yeah, and I've got this great 1063 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.320 idea for a game and I and I just need 1064 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.360 to find somebody to code it. 1065 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:37.000 You know. 1066 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.119 It's like, when you're sixteen, that's like a thought that 1067 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:46.039 at least I had, And when you start losing that 1068 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:51.639 sort of technical know how, it's it's such a bummer. 1069 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.559 It's like it even like goes like I'm trying to 1070 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.280 think of other examples, Like there's that whole idea in 1071 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.800 painting of like my kid could paint that, right, and 1072 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.400 and it's like okay, yeah, well, but why does it 1073 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.199 feel different when Jackson Pollock does it? 1074 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:09.519 Like why does it feel bad? 1075 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.159 Why does it feel better when Picasso, who could paint 1076 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.079 perfectly photorealistic pictures if he wanted to, then decide to 1077 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.800 do something different that you that you claim you could do, 1078 00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:20.599 and maybe you could do something that looks sort of 1079 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.000 has the same shape to it. But does it have 1080 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.360 the understanding underneath? And that understanding comes through the art 1081 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.159 and is noticeable, It makes it adds power to it. 1082 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.400 And I think that's the thing that we're talking about 1083 00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.920 losing here, and that like that the struggle of going 1084 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.440 through all the learnings, the processes and the lessons of 1085 00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:44.519 becoming someone who can build anything. And then if they 1086 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.360 then decide to try something else that is simple and basic, 1087 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.119 you're like, oh, wait, what do they know that I don't? 1088 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:50.639 And I want to go discover it. 1089 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:55.199 If it's just some Yahoo typing in a prompt, it's 1090 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.480 so devoid of meaning that it kind of it breaks 1091 00:49:58.519 --> 00:49:59.239 the entire thing. 1092 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:03.239 Yeah, it's it's it you have to have. 1093 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:05.440 Yeah, you have to have that intentionality there, right, Like 1094 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.800 you have to like and and art is so much 1095 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.000 better when there's an understanding of the of the background 1096 00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.559 behind it. Like you said, I mean I think a 1097 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.519 lot about like uh oh, oh, oh my god, four 1098 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.880 thirty three. Uh Jesus Christ the composer. Oh that's gonna 1099 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:22.519 drive me crazy. 1100 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.400 Yeah, go ahead, look it up real quick. Yeah. 1101 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.920 John Cage, John John Cage, Who's was a was a 1102 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:35.400 uh proficient Like and then you think about four thirty 1103 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.119 three which is just silence for for minutes and thirty 1104 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:42.239 three seconds. It's brilliant, right, and and like you know 1105 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.039 that that's sort of like the base level of that, 1106 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.119 like and people go, oh, you know, it's you know, 1107 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:48.079 it's it's it's just him sitting. 1108 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:48.480 There, and it's like. 1109 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:54.119 No, man, like you like, the intention is there, and like, 1110 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:56.039 you know, the end of the understanding is you know, 1111 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:58.239 it's about depth and it's about listening and it's about 1112 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.679 blah blah blah. The man under stands in the art. 1113 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:01.519 Yeah. 1114 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.400 And so like when you think about a game, like, oh, 1115 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.119 what's a good example, Uh, thirty Flights of Loving is 1116 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.480 a great example of a game that just got an 1117 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:12.280 update for summer. 1118 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.280 Why do they add saves? Why do they had saved 1119 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.000 the thirty Flights of Love in the games like seventeen 1120 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.960 minutes long? Weird? Just just play it. Also, if you 1121 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.159 haven't played thirty Flights of Loving, chat play thirty Flights 1122 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.679 of Loving. It's amazing. I'm not I will, I'm gonna 1123 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.360 go do. It's great. Uh it's such a simple game. 1124 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:31.119 I mean, it's not simple in the on the back 1125 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:33.280 end of the technology that I'm sure that the technology 1126 00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.119 behind it is is sure. 1127 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.719 But it presents its like anyone could do that, right, yeah, 1128 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.599 right or yeah, And and the graphics are kind of 1129 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:44.719 you know, minimalists and like style very stylized. Uh uh. 1130 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.039 And you know it's it's a it's a it's a 1131 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:49.960 collection of short snippets and there's not really a lot 1132 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.760 of game quote unquote gameplay behind it. But then you 1133 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:56.000 you think about the the the intent behind it, and 1134 00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.599 and and the artistry and the the way that these 1135 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.360 guys crafted. 1136 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:07.760 Are very core experience or very tight experience. 1137 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:09.840 That that. 1138 00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:14.880 You start to understand what's going on in that world, right, 1139 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:15.960 like you start to really write it. 1140 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:18.880 I mean, even like where it's like a game where 1141 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.199 I don't care about the intention, the fact that it's 1142 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.840 there I think does matter. Like even if like it's 1143 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:28.719 something I ignore, the fact that that's something that I 1144 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.840 can ignore matters to me. It kind of makes it 1145 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:33.920 feel like I'm making a choice separate from the artist. 1146 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:36.159 I'm in conversation with them, but I got to feel 1147 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.400 like they are at least on my level. If I'm 1148 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:40.360 going to put my time and engagement into this thing, 1149 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:42.960 I want to feel like that's a conversation worth having, 1150 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:44.679 And again, I'm not going to feel that way if 1151 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:49.000 it's just pooped out in a prompt. So yeah, I 1152 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:51.159 think we are going to see a little bit of 1153 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:54.280 a lot of people like who are who have built 1154 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.679 their careers by being experts look around and go, wait, 1155 00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.880 do I need to find some other ground to go to? 1156 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.719 And I'm interested to see how it shakes out, and 1157 00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:04.880 I hope that they don't go too far because we're 1158 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.639 probably gonna need them again once all this insanity goes away. 1159 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.519 All right, last couple of stories here. Devil May Cry 1160 00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.679 remake kind of got it got rumored like there's a 1161 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.760 remake of the first one. Maybe it's a claimed that 1162 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.400 it's pretty far along. Andrew Hint, heightened over Insider Gaming, 1163 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.119 was like, hey, there's someone who's an Elika that's been 1164 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.239 hit or miss saying this. I'll just point out that 1165 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.559 Devil May Cry five had its best year ever, like 1166 00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.239 this last year, like better than it's its launch year. 1167 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.159 It's sold more cop It's sold more copies, I should 1168 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.320 say did obviously, probably it probably didn't make more money. 1169 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.639 Those are probably selling for five dollars, but more people 1170 00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:46.519 are playing those games than ever before, and the idea 1171 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.719 here that Capcom wouldn't remake a game is insane. 1172 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.039 They clearly are the masters of that right now. 1173 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:56.039 So them looking at Devil May Cry, seeing that franchise 1174 00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:59.119 sort of on the upswing, I think that naturally leads 1175 00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:00.800 them to this. And if it's not in the works now, 1176 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.199 I think it probably will be. So yeah, I expect that. 1177 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:04.880 I said, how about you? 1178 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.480 I mean, like CAPCOMs on a roll right, like Captain Yeah, 1179 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.719 crushing it, might as well keep it going, like I mean, 1180 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.800 like they have like what I was, like like three 1181 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.440 games coming out this year, and like all of them 1182 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:23.679 are looked sick, yes, and so why not have another 1183 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:25.480 piece of little bit of filler? I mean, Don't make 1184 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:25.960 Cry is cool? 1185 00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:29.119 Man? Like those kids are sweet? Yeah, I mean Dover 1186 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.280 May Cry one is no d m C. That's right, 1187 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.440 hell rest in Peace Ninja theory. 1188 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:40.840 Uh but uh, but like those games are cool, Like 1189 00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:42.599 like I would I would love to go back and 1190 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:43.559 play the first time with Might Cry. 1191 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:46.199 I have, I would years and years and years. I 1192 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:47.519 think this would be great. I think this is the 1193 00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:49.800 exact sort of thing you do. And then, like Chat 1194 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.320 says you, then you remake DMC two into a good game. 1195 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.360 And that's that's what Capcom does. It's like, yeah, we'll 1196 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:57.039 give you the game you love again, We'll make a 1197 00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:58.960 new game. Now, we'll take this other game that was 1198 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.239 a little bit spotty more turn into something else that. 1199 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.440 They have this down to a science now, and Devil 1200 00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.320 May Cry is definitely one of those ones that feels 1201 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.320 like it's on the precipice of reaching that next tier 1202 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.519 of popularity, and I think they can sort of bring 1203 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.159 that home. We Cry on the RI engine would be 1204 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:16.519 rad I think it's it's yes, absolutely, and I think 1205 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.800 we're gonna kind of see how that expands here pretty soon. 1206 00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.599 I did skip that story about Mecha Chameleon selling seven 1207 00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:22.320 million copies. 1208 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:26.480 That's that. Yeah. I had a good bit about putting 1209 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.159 on my Mecca hat. Yeah, oh there, it's good. Yeah. 1210 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.360 Have you seen what Mecha Chameleon is. It's that game. 1211 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.519 It's it's a friends slap game where players are basically 1212 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.320 just like stick figures and you go into a detailed 1213 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.960 world and it's hide and seek, but you can paint 1214 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.519 your body. So people who are really good artists are 1215 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:44.719 like putting themselves in front of the Mona Lisa and 1216 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.320 then like repainting the Mona Lisa on their body and 1217 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.199 blending in perfectly with the painting, and then people can't 1218 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.519 or like that's cool, or like three friends will come 1219 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.480 together and the like they painted themselves to look like 1220 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:58.079 the turtle next to another turtle and they did get caught, 1221 00:55:58.119 --> 00:55:59.559 but it's great. The one player just comes out with 1222 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:00.840 a gun. You got to look for the person and 1223 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.920 see if you can find them. It looks like a 1224 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:04.800 lot of fun. I would be terrible at this game. 1225 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.079 I kind of wanted I would be truly truly dog 1226 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:11.519 shit at it. Yea, and the I I mean, anytime 1227 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.320 I get to shoot my friend with a gun, that's cool. 1228 00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.840 But that's what for. That's that's all. That's all, that's 1229 00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:19.360 all you need. No, but I think that there wouldn't 1230 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.199 be no that sounds rad I'm like, I'm kind of 1231 00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:25.960 I'm not. I'm sure there. It's popping off on Twitch 1232 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.440 right now, and I will certainly social media check that out. 1233 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.840 I see a lot of clips on Instagram. That's kind 1234 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.800 of where I've been seeing. Although yeah, I was told 1235 00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:36.559 to play this like as it was coming now, I'm like, 1236 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:37.840 I will get around to it, and I'm like, oh, 1237 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:39.559 we should have played it earlier, but we'll make it 1238 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:40.119 happen soon. 1239 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:42.480 Last story is a PSA. 1240 00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.239 If you have not reserved or like pre ordered your 1241 00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.519 Steam controller yet, it's out, but you've kind of have 1242 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.519 to pre order to get into the queue, Yours will 1243 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.239 not be fulfilled until twenty twenty seven at the earliest, 1244 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.920 to says Steam the hell, so those things are selling 1245 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:02.719 like crazy? Yeah, it's what Yeah, it's it's June. In 1246 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.920 case you're yes, and that's what you're asking, it's June now, Yeah. 1247 00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.320 It's June. It's twenty twenty six, right, Yes. 1248 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.079 It's twenty twenty six, so twenty like so six months 1249 00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.000 from now you might get one like they have. 1250 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.199 You said twenty twenty. When you said twenty twenty seven, 1251 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:18.320 my brain went, oh, it's that's two years from now. 1252 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:22.320 Yeah, yeah, right, I hope. No, this is this is 1253 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.559 where we're at. We're just barreling forward through time in 1254 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.599 a way that is just unconscionable. All right, that does 1255 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.840 it for the headlines. Yeah, obviously they got a pair 1256 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.719 of Steam controllers with a lot of Steam machines and 1257 00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:34.320 stuff like that, so they got to save some aside, 1258 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:37.840 all right, everybody. Let's see here, let's start wrapping things up. 1259 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.199 There was no poll question from Friday or because we 1260 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:42.239 were off on Friday, but then on one from Thursday either. 1261 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.440 So we did the Bomb twelve. We'll have a new 1262 00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.480 Bomb twelve this week. Go over to giant bomb dot 1263 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.119 com submit your game for the Bomb twelve. There's a 1264 00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:49.920 vote here button. 1265 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:50.559 To the left. Click on that. 1266 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.320 I do have a new pole question, which we'll get 1267 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:55.920 to here in a second before we do that, Taylor Cock, 1268 00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.280 why don't you tell people where they can find you 1269 00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.480 on the internet what you have going on and all 1270 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:00.320 that good stuff. 1271 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.320 Sure, yeah, you can find me on Blue skuy uh 1272 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:05.719 tailor cocked up Blue Sky or whatever that tailor my 1273 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.199 handles tailor Cock there you'll find me. 1274 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:07.639 Yeah. 1275 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.920 Uh, it's it's the one where my last name is. 1276 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:12.679 The penis is the penis word with an e on 1277 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:12.960 the end. 1278 00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.400 Yeah, penis word with any That should just be your handle. 1279 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.079 Actually it was for a while. 1280 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:21.480 And then if you want to find I have just 1281 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:25.199 recently started a blog writing about amateur or writing about 1282 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:27.079 miniature war gaming. So if you want to find me, 1283 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:33.079 there is amateur our War dot games. Uh So, if 1284 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.679 you want to find me over there. I will be 1285 00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.719 writing a blog at least once a week about the 1286 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:41.800 games that I've been playing. This week, I will be 1287 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:45.920 writing about this Quar's War, which is these little dudes 1288 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.079 right here, little anti your motherfuckers. This guy man, This 1289 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.320 guy's got a tea kettle. 1290 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.679 And I bet my kids would be in this too. 1291 00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.639 Into painting miniatures as well. Actually they love little craft 1292 00:58:58.679 --> 00:58:59.159 stuff like that. 1293 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:03.960 I get. It's an it's a blast, a lot of fun, 1294 00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:04.519 more skills. 1295 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.119 H excellent, all right, let's see her new poll question. 1296 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:09.920 Did you get a Steam controller yet? 1297 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:10.239 Yes? 1298 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:10.880 Or no? 1299 00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:13.920 Or I'm not get anyone? That's your poll question. We'll 1300 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.480 get the results on Wednesday, because tomorrow's Tuesday, and we 1301 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:18.960 do the BombCast on Tuesday. Then we're back with the 1302 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.280 Games Mornings show for the rest of the week after that. Uh, 1303 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.760 let's see, it's it's fishing week, everybody, It's fishing week. 1304 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.079 You could see c Man partying with us up there, 1305 00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.119 I think, or maybe up there. Yeah, well we don't 1306 00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:32.960 trust him, but he's there. You could tap on the 1307 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.280 glass just exclamation point tap and chat. You got to 1308 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.519 use your channel points to talk to him. It's incredible work. 1309 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.800 I'm so excited about this, but hey, then we're gonna 1310 00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.440 be playing fishing games. This morning, I played Umagari, which 1311 00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:48.719 is a Japanese spear fishing game, where I got eaten 1312 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:50.800 by a giant mouth in a way that I wasn't expecting. 1313 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.320 There was a there was a fish in a schoolgirl outfit. 1314 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:55.360 Didn't like that. 1315 00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.000 Worse, there was a school or No, there was a 1316 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:01.000 fish in a straight jacket. Didn't didn't even like. 1317 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:03.760 That seems better considering the fish is contained. 1318 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.119 Yeah, well, okay, right, we're keeping it sort of into 1319 01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:08.199 itself and away from us. 1320 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:08.719 That's fair. 1321 01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:12.519 Yeah, yeah, man, seaman should be on a straight jacket 1322 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:14.639 for sure. I'm gonna play through the rest of that 1323 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:16.320 game in the morning the rest of this week. But 1324 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.280 then we have all kinds of other fishing games happening. 1325 01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.480 Let me see here, I got some stuff sort of 1326 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.679 generally planned out. Uh later today we're gonna do voodoo fishing. 1327 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:27.880 We're gonna do some voodoo fishing. This is a friends 1328 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.840 slop fishing game. Uh so look out for that. And 1329 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.920 then we'll have stuff like Sega bass fishing later this week, 1330 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.960 and we're gonna do some web fishing for upf We're 1331 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.519 gonna hang out all this week. It's gonna be great. 1332 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:40.920 Go to store dot giant bomb dot com to check 1333 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.480 out our Fishing Week merch. It's really really good, and 1334 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.000 thanks everybody for hanging out with us this week. Really 1335 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:49.559 gonna enjoy it all, right, let's see her, I think. 1336 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.119 With all that out of the way, let's hop out 1337 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.719 of here. Taylor Cock, thank you so much for hanging 1338 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.320 out with me today and talking about video games. 1339 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.079 Man, I really appreciate it. Of course. 1340 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.039 Same time, thank you all for watching and listening. You're 1341 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.760 the best audience gaming. Until next time, have a good one. 1342 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:03.159 Take care of yourself. 1343 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:06.280 It's colding here. I'm getting scared.