WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:19.480 Welcome friends, Jacky, Welcome to movie Film. It's episode three 2 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:21.519 forty five. I'm Zaki has sign. I'm here with Brian Hall. 3 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:22.719 Hey, let's going Zachi. 4 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:26.399 Hey you staying cool down there in Socaw. 5 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:32.320 Yeah, it's well, typically it's it's June as we record 6 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:35.119 right now, and typically we have something called June gloom, 7 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.439 where the month of June it tends to be sort 8 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:44.079 of overcast. But yeah, it's been no gloom here. Really sunny, 9 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.600 but not an oppressive heat yet, like I would say, 10 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:51.079 like low eighties, so not that crazy August through October 11 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.600 whether we get out here quite yet, thank god. So 12 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:54.840 what about you up there? 13 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.759 Oh, it's we're in the midst of a heat wave, 14 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:02.240 which is less than ideal. 15 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:02.799 Yeah. 16 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:08.000 You so the ac is blasting indoors. Yeah, you know, 17 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.359 I'm in my recording space, so it's a little warmer 18 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.599 than i'd like. But hey, that's okay. Yeah. 19 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.799 Yeah, you have kind of a converted garage space that 20 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.799 you record in, right, so there's not like vents blasting 21 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:18.799 in cool air for you. 22 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.159 That is true, but that's okay. You and I we 23 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.319 generate enough cool all by ourselves. 24 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.359 Yeah, cumbers wish they were this cool. 25 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.200 That's right. That's the way I like to see it. 26 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:35.239 Mister Freeze wishes he was this cool? 27 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:35.959 That's right. 28 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.400 What are we going to get another big screen mister Freeze? 29 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:42.079 I think I think it's time. Brian, I agree. 30 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.040 And isn't that sort of online speculation, you know, for 31 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.760 the next Matt Reeves the Batman movie, because I think 32 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.719 the still frame image that they released from it had 33 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:56.560 snow in it, so people are like, oh, it's clearly 34 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:58.359 that means it's mister Freeze. 35 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.519 But I would like a stretch, doesn't it. 36 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.400 Yeah, yeah, no, but I would love to see, Yeah, 37 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:08.919 a good mister Freeze story without the camp that's right, right. 38 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:11.879 Less camp less Austrian accent. 39 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:15.919 I mean, we love our Austrian brothers and sisters, of course, 40 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:22.560 but yeah, let's less uh puns. 41 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:27.120 There you go. Yeah, Well, well, every I mean everything 42 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.840 I've heard about The Batman Part two is that it's 43 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.080 gonna be another two face joint. 44 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:37.000 Yes, and getting into his family right. 45 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:42.360 Yeah, so so uh, which I would assume is pulling 46 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.560 from from The Long Halloween, which is a terrific story 47 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.400 if you haven't heard that. Uh, And we got Sebastian 48 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.479 stant playing playing Harvey. 49 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:50.280 Dent love it. 50 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.599 That's a good choice, yep. But yeah, get us our 51 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.120 mister Freeze. I want, I want ice guns, not so 52 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.680 much the ice puns, like you said, you know, let's 53 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:03.479 do that. Let's let's work our way back there. It's 54 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.120 been it's been almost thirty years. I think it's time. 55 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.039 It's like that that I know, it's from the eighties, 56 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.719 like hugs not drugs, you know, guns not puns. 57 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.879 That's right. But it's yeah, long enough to let mister 58 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:21.400 Freeze back in from the cold, back to you, Brian. 59 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:32.319 Tonight the weather looks like. But hey, good newscasters, I 60 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:33.039 think so right. 61 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:34.919 We got the banter, we got the you. 62 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.159 Know, we should do an episode where we do that 63 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:38.919 sort of newsman Cadence. 64 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.680 It's it's you know, it's it is a specific skill. 65 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:44.840 I'll tell you. I have a student who I taught, 66 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:49.039 uh eighteen years ago, who when I when I taught her, 67 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.120 she said, my goal is to be a TV newscaster, 68 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:57.080 and by gum, she has achieved that goal amazing. And 69 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.560 so every once in a while, I see, I see, 70 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.360 you know, she'll post clips of her of her reports, 71 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:09.080 and she she shifts into newscaster voice mode, and it's extraordinary. 72 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:11.879 I mean, is that something they teach them. Is that 73 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:16.839 a way for you to speak probably quickly, yeah, but 74 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:20.319 in a way that is very understandable when you're speaking 75 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:21.920 so quick conveying a lot of information. 76 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.360 I see it as like, you know, some version of 77 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.560 like you know, in the stage acting. You know, you 78 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:32.319 have like the mid Atlantic accent, yes, which actors are taught, 79 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:34.639 you know, and that's for the stage and screen. I 80 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.720 feel like there's something similar with like newscaster voice. 81 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.560 Yeah, yeah, I mean I assume there must be some 82 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:46.639 sort of reason for it. I'm guessing it just has 83 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.839 to do with making them as understandable as possible. Yea. 84 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.040 And yeah, like you said, it's interesting no matter where 85 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.720 you go, what region, you just see newscasters speaking with 86 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:57.839 that that yeah, that cadence. 87 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:02.040 That's that specific way. It's it's it's hypnotic. Yeah. 88 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:02.439 Yeah. 89 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:06.399 You know, some people are just some people have that 90 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:10.519 broadcaster voice. Right. My friend Bob Sesca, who was a 91 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.959 podcast you know, and I was on his show a 92 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:15.240 couple of years ago. He's just somebody man. It's like 93 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:20.040 he's just he just has broadcaster voice, and he's just 94 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:21.800 very good at it, you know, and I'm so I'm 95 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.279 so jealous of that, Yeah, because I've just got whatever 96 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:25.680 this is. 97 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.639 I know, I've thought about that too. Actually, regarding myself, 98 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:30.959 I'm like, I wish I had more of a radio 99 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:33.519 voice or broadcaster voice for this, but you know, it 100 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:34.160 is what it is. 101 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.279 It's what it is. It's three hundred and forty five 102 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:41.319 episodes in five hundred plus if you count the pot 103 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:42.399 the commentaries. 104 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:43.000 This is. 105 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.360 We've done okay with what we have said. Yeah, yeah, 106 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.639 that's your takeaway. That's true. Speaking of what we have, 107 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.240 we haven't had a ton of stuff to discuss. You 108 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.600 and I we were like, like, what are the headlines? 109 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:58.360 But I think we've made the most of what we 110 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.839 have with the things we have lined up just gus today, Yeah, 111 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.000 I think so. Well. 112 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:04.800 Yeah, I was gonna say, actually, you and I have 113 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.160 kind of covered a lot of what's out there between 114 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:08.639 the two of us, which is kind of nice. So 115 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:10.839 I'm I'm looking forward to hearing you talk about the 116 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.920 things you've seen because I haven't seen them, although this 117 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.160 one I think you have seen. I can't remember if 118 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.079 I mentioned this on the last episode, but I've gotten 119 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.720 really into pop culture Jeopardy. 120 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.959 Yes, I remember telling you about the first season like 121 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:26.639 a year ago or whenever it dropped. 122 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.800 Yeah, so the like a week or two ago. I 123 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:33.040 was looking for something to just fall asleep to basically, 124 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.639 and I opened Netflix and they had the season two 125 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.879 of Pop Culture Jeopardy, hosted by Colin Jost, and I 126 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.079 thought it would fall asleep to it. It was like eleven 127 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.720 thirty at night and I was up till three binging it, 128 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.759 which is it's great because it's I've always loved Jeopardy, 129 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.480 but with this version, I can answer most of the questions, 130 00:06:55.560 --> 00:07:00.720 so it's really fun. Yeah, and it is kind of 131 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.519 fascinating also because I did know, well, not the majority 132 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:07.199 of the answers, but I at least understood the majority 133 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:09.399 of the realms they were covering. But every now and 134 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:11.759 then they would get into something that was very modern, 135 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:13.439 or they would talk about a TikTok star. 136 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:19.199 Yeah, you would have an entire question slash answer that 137 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:23.759 sounds like they're summoning a demon from Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 138 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:25.800 it's just a bunch of nonsense words. 139 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.439 Yeah, there's a thing. I read it a lot. When 140 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.680 there's a headline about like two TikTok couples breaking up 141 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.720 or something, and usually the top comment, which is to 142 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:40.040 indicate I have no idea who these people are. Someone 143 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:41.800 once did a tweet that was like, this is what 144 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:44.920 modern headlines with young stars I don't know sound like. 145 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:49.040 And it says, curtains for Zuska, you know such and 146 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.600 such caught flipping a grunt or something like that. It's 147 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.800 just nonsense, but it makes sense to some audience out there, 148 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.319 but it makes no sense to us. And so yeah, 149 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:00.879 a couple of the questions feel that way, but not enough. 150 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.480 I was able to enjoy it. But I burned through 151 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.959 the whole thing and really really enjoyed it. There are 152 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.279 some good twists and turns, you know, people coming back 153 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:11.759 that you didn't expect in whatever. 154 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:15.279 So am I wrong to think it's just arrogance on 155 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:16.839 my part to think that you and I would just 156 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:18.040 destroy on that show. 157 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.439 No, I thought about it. I thought about it well 158 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:25.160 because I was answering all the questions, and well a 159 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.639 lot of them, a lot of them, and enough of 160 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.160 them that I was like, dude, we would really do well. 161 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:31.920 If we could get the buzzers right, we would do 162 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:32.480 really well. 163 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:34.440 That's the thing. That's what you realize it is a 164 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:35.080 buzzer game. 165 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.919 Yeah, because I mean, you can know the question, but 166 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:39.840 if someone gets it before you, or gets the timing 167 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:42.840 a little bit better than you, you know. But anyway, 168 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:44.919 I burned through the season two on Netflix, so I 169 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:48.279 went back to season one on Amazon Prime and I'm 170 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.279 watching that one right now. So I'm loving it. I 171 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:52.639 think a lot of people who listen to the show 172 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:53.440 would enjoy it too. 173 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:56.720 Oh yeah, season one had the three person teams. 174 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:58.360 Yeah, it's a little different. 175 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:00.200 It's a little different, so I think that that was 176 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.360 a smart thing. They made it two person teams instead. 177 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.200 Yeah, I agree. It felt I don't know how to 178 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.440 explain it. It's very much a feeling in the back 179 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:12.159 of my mind. But it does feel like they've polished 180 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:13.559 it up a little bit for season two. 181 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:14.480 Yeah. 182 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.159 I'm sure a lot of that has to do with, yeah, 183 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:19.320 just making a duo versus three people. 184 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.919 Yeah, I was. I watched the first episode, I think 185 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.559 it was the first or second episode of this season, 186 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.960 and one of the categories I texted you about this. 187 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.320 One of the categories was our cartoon crushes. Yeah, And 188 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.159 as soon as I said, like, I saw the category 189 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:39.200 unconsciously I'm like, oh, Chatara, I'm like telling on myself 190 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:42.480 now to our audience. You know, well, I well totally. 191 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.360 I mean it's like we've all had that moment like 192 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:47.639 Garth right where he's like telling Wayne, you know, do 193 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.879 you ever find bugs bunny attractive? When you dress up 194 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:50.639 with a good bunny? 195 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.799 It does unconsciously Chatara from the ThunderCats pops into my head. 196 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.759 And then wouldn't you know that was the first question 197 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:01.200 slash answer. It was a picture of Chatar from Thundercuts. 198 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:05.559 I'm like, well, I'm not alone. I guess that's right, 199 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.919 right right, I'm part of I'm part of a mass 200 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:10.720 of humanity of some size. 201 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.679 So yeah, yeah, you know, I love is. I think 202 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:15.559 a lot of people if it was like family feud, 203 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.360 maybe the number one answer would be something like Jessica rabbit. 204 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.600 You know, but I like, I liked it. That's like 205 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.799 a deeper cut. And yeah, Jeopardy was on your wavelength, like. 206 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.399 Pretty sure, pretty sure Jessica made the cut in that 207 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:31.720 in that category. I'm sure. 208 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:32.320 I'm sure. 209 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.960 Yeah, yeah, it was about her line. I'm not bad, 210 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.679 I'm just drawn that way right right right right anyway, Yeah, 211 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.159 so that that's a fun one first season is is 212 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:44.320 still on Prime Video. 213 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.320 I believe, right, Yeah, I'm I've just started it and 214 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.000 it's a lot more episodes. I want to say. The 215 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.759 Netflix one was like twenty something, and I feel like 216 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.720 the Amazon Prime one is forty. I'm not sure that wor. 217 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:58.559 Yeah, because they dropped it in waves, which I liked better, 218 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:03.399 and like like, you know, chunks of ten or twenty 219 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.320 or something like that, which made it last a little longer. 220 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:08.000 You know. 221 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.039 It's interesting. By the way, as I'm watching it, Colin 222 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:12.320 Jost is a great host. 223 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:14.600 I was thinking the exact same thing. I was like, 224 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.279 he is very gifted at that job. 225 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.080 Yep, yeah, and he knows when to make a kind 226 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:23.879 of a rye remark. But he's also good at, you know, 227 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.879 I don't know, bantering with the contestants and ooh almost 228 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:29.799 and oh you were so close. You know, He's got 229 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:31.799 the whole game show hosting down. And it made me 230 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:36.480 think it's funny that when he wrote a little memoir 231 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:40.000 not so long ago, he felt like he had to 232 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.759 call it. I think it's called a punchable face or 233 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.159 a very punishable face, because for a minute, if you 234 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:46.720 thought of Colin Jos it was like, oh, yeah, that 235 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.600 guy I kind of want to punch. And I'm not 236 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:50.559 saying that for myself, but like that was sort of 237 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.960 when he and Michael Jay started doing Weekend Update, they 238 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:59.399 weren't very popular. You know, people found them. I don't 239 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.519 know secifically, Colin josts I feel like people just did 240 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:06.320 not take to him immediately and so right and in 241 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:08.360 that moment, that's what he felt compelled to title his 242 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:12.519 own memoir, Very Punishable Face. And it's amazing. Now. I 243 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:14.960 think they are the longest running duo at the Weekend Up. 244 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.240 They does buy a wide margin. 245 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.039 Yeah, and I've seen a lot of people online be like, 246 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.879 I hope they never leave. So it's just funny that 247 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.759 Lorne Michaels just was like, no, this will work. You'll 248 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:29.960 catch up to me, you know what I mean, he 249 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:30.360 knew it. 250 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:37.799 See Colin Jost ignore the haters. Yeah, eventually, eventually you'll 251 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:42.240 get your way. Sure, you're married to Scarlett Johansson and 252 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:48.759 long running SNL creator, but eventually things will come around. 253 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:51.600 We're rooting for you, Colin. 254 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.519 Yeah, you needed our love too, well, you got it. 255 00:12:55.559 --> 00:13:02.120 I think that the you know, the recurring bit on 256 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:04.919 the show where on SNL where you have you know, 257 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:07.919 the they're right, they write jokes for each other right 258 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:12.240 without without telling each other, Like I think that Colin 259 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:15.879 very smartly leans into that and allows himself to be 260 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.879 the butt of the joke. And that's what makes that 261 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:20.639 that whole bit work totally. 262 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:22.879 You know, maybe that's part of it too. And you 263 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.840 know Sarah Sherman when she goes on just her whole 264 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.159 stick is dunking on him and him being game for that. 265 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.840 Maybe that helps, right, And he doesn't look like such 266 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.360 a haircut, you know, or a stiff shirt or whatever, 267 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:44.279 and I don't know, but anyway, Well what else you got, Brian, Well, 268 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:46.720 I'm just I gotta do it. It's there's only one 269 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.559 episode left. I gotta throw out some love again for 270 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.960 Widow's bay Man. I love the show Apple TV. 271 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.799 Plus, I'm telling you you you were on the leading 272 00:13:58.919 --> 00:13:59.840 edge of the wave. 273 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.200 That's okay. So I it's so funny because this is 274 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:04.799 not happening in my algorithm. 275 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:05.679 So fascinating. 276 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:08.559 Just a lot of posts about it. 277 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.159 A lot of a lot of talk. Yeah, people people 278 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:11.919 loving this show. 279 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:18.440 Man. It's just it is such a unique and specific 280 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.639 tone and it continues to thread that needle of creepiness 281 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:27.240 and laughs and you know, riffing on horror tropes while 282 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.720 creating its own fun, spooky, unique mythology. And I'm really 283 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:33.799 going to miss it when it's gone. There's only one left. 284 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:36.639 But and I just watched you know, the one this 285 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:38.440 week and was like, joh, they still got it. 286 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:39.960 They still got it. 287 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:41.440 It's funny because I want to talk about it. I 288 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.600 want to like talk about some of the the jokes 289 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:45.159 and things that made me laugh, but I wouldn't dare 290 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.399 spoil them. I just I'm just going to recommend the show. 291 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:54.080 So finally I went. The only thing I've really seen 292 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.240 in theaters recently besides Disclosure Day is I finally went 293 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:05.200 and checked out Obsession. So this is a really interesting 294 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:11.080 story really about this movie itself, right, I mean comes 295 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.559 from a director named Curry Barker who did videos on YouTube, 296 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:17.919 much like the director from back Rooms. 297 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.159 And trend Yeah. 298 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:24.799 Yeah, Well, and then the big story around this is 299 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:29.600 it was made for under a million dollars. It comes 300 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:34.559 out in theaters makes a lot of money, but most 301 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:37.240 movies make the most amount of money and their opening 302 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.799 weekend and then it sort of diminishes week by week, 303 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.440 even if it's just a little bit, but this keeps 304 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:47.960 making more money every weekend. And that is the last 305 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:52.039 time that happened. Apparently is the movie Et, which is insane, 306 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.000 and so currently it's aid one hundred and sixty one 307 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:03.120 million domestic and two hundred and thirty four million worldwide, 308 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:04.879 made for under a million dollars. 309 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:06.159 It's extraordinary. 310 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.120 Yeah, And so I was very curious about this, and 311 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:13.759 I mean, those are interesting statistics. But I heard it 312 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.440 was good also, and I had a good friend of 313 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:21.440 mine say, he said, I loved it, but I didn't 314 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:26.240 like it. And I think what he means is it's 315 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.240 really well done and there's a lot to admire, but 316 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.279 it's intense. It's a hard movie to say you enjoy 317 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.759 because there's a lot of intense things happening in it. 318 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.600 So we were talking about this before we started. We 319 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.600 both had interest in this, but we were like, Okay, 320 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:41.240 what night am I going to be in the mood 321 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.799 for something upsetting, you know? And well I kept looking 322 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:55.360 at my regal app sponsorship sponsorship, and and every night, 323 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.240 every night, the thing was almost sold out, and so 324 00:16:58.440 --> 00:16:59.799 I kept sort of putting it off. And then one 325 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:01.120 night I was like, well, I want to talk about 326 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.039 this before the next episode. So I went and I 327 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.599 was sitting elbow to elbow on a Tuesday night, you know, 328 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:11.200 packed theater, and basically, I should say, the premise of 329 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:15.599 this movie is this guy has a crush on a 330 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.000 girl in his friend group, but he is not sure 331 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.279 if she likes him back. And he goes to this, 332 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.759 you know, sort of new age store and sees this 333 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:28.039 novelty toy where it's like it's called like a one 334 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.960 wish willow. It's a stick and basically you make a wish, 335 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:33.880 break the stick, and you know, it's like a fortune 336 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.759 cookie kind of situation. But what he wishes is I 337 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:39.519 wish that this girl, Nikki would love me more than 338 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:42.359 anyone else in the world. And he breaks the stick. 339 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.200 Oh, man, don't want to do that, uh huh. 340 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.480 And it turns out the stick works. And you could 341 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.880 imagine the romantic comedy version of this, you know, with 342 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.039 like Kate Hudson or on Adam Sandler or something, and 343 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.240 oh and then she loves me and she keeps buying 344 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:00.440 me balloons and filling my house with Teddy Bear and. 345 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.319 It went in a different direction, I'm assuming. 346 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.400 So This is like, we know, what if a person 347 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.880 was basically borderline obsessed with you, well, not borderline she is, 348 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.720 she's obsessed with you. She loves you. Yeah, And so 349 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.960 if you know, you need to leave the house for work, 350 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.640 and you turn around and your door is completely shut 351 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.920 with duct tape because she can't stand you leaving, and 352 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:25.359 you know, as soon as you walk out the door, 353 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.240 she basically stands with this really creepy smile on her 354 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:32.599 face and then pease herself standing there because she's going 355 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.680 to wait for you to come home. Like what would 356 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.519 realistically happen if you put someone under that spell? It 357 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:43.000 would be hell for that person and so and eventually 358 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:47.279 for for you, you know, and she would become obsessed 359 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.680 and not let anyone else get near you and whatever. 360 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.440 So anyway, what a brilliant idea. I mean, I don't 361 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.480 know if this has been done before. It's so simple 362 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.759 and straightforward. It's kind of shocking that we haven't seen 363 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.160 this intense take on like what is the dark side 364 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:03.640 of a wish? 365 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:04.880 Like that? Right? Right? 366 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:09.839 And So I gotta say I really like this movie 367 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.960 a lot. Nice really liked it, and I completely understand 368 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:19.400 that it's upsetting it is upsetting, and it's mostly an unpleasant, 369 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.000 upsetting feeling. I'd say there are one or two moments 370 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:26.680 of just outright horror, like, oh good Lord like kind 371 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.200 of moments, but not as many as you might think. 372 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:35.599 It's okay, just the psychology of it, which I don't 373 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:39.160 want to spoil, but like, there are glimpses throughout the 374 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:46.640 movie where the person, her real person, is trapped inside 375 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:50.440 the non wish, the person who is not under the spell, 376 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.839 and occasionally that will like reveal itself and she'll kind of, 377 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.079 you know, and so you know she is experiencing a 378 00:19:59.119 --> 00:19:59.920 form of torture. 379 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.839 She's an unwilling participant. 380 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.960 In this, yes, And so that is if you really 381 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.240 think about it, what makes it so upsetting and disturbing 382 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:13.559 and the implications happening here. But I got to say, 383 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:17.359 as upsetting as it was, and I understand that a 384 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:22.079 lot of people have found it super upsetting, I think 385 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.920 part of me was watching the movie and enjoying it 386 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.880 but also just marveling at it, and I couldn't help 387 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.079 but think about as I was watching it, Wow, these 388 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:35.559 people had no idea when they probably made like two 389 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.240 thousand dollars for a month's worth of work, you know, 390 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:45.079 being a cinematographer, being the actors doing the score, that 391 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.720 they were making the greatest calling card they could have 392 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.960 ever imagined, you know. And this movie does not look 393 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:57.119 like a scrappy movie that was put out, and you 394 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:58.839 can imagine that they're going to do so much better 395 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:04.480 with the next one. This is a really remarkable, remarkably 396 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:12.960 made movie, and like very mature decisions in the filmmaking. 397 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:17.519 I mean, it looks gorgeous, it looks like twenty million dollars. 398 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.400 Wow. 399 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:24.559 And he decides not to do a lot of cuts, 400 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:30.119 and I don't know if that has to do with budget. 401 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.920 You know, maybe he couldn't do as many setups and 402 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:35.200 but and if that's the case, I don't I don't 403 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:36.799 want to put that on him, because maybe this was 404 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.599 all creative intention from the beginning. But if that was 405 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:41.480 the case, that could be sort of like Jaws, the 406 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.119 Shark is not working, where like your limitations made your 407 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:49.480 movie ten times better because what it allows is there 408 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.319 are a lot of really uncomfortable moments between these two people. 409 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:54.559 And when you allow them to sit and you don't cut, 410 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.680 you're existing in this moment with them, and we don't 411 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:03.480 get the relief of a cut. We're stuck, and the 412 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:08.680 performances are so strong, and the framing and the lighting 413 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.759 and the storytelling at the script level are just so 414 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.319 top notch that like, you would never know that this 415 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:20.880 was an underdog movie that would be very unlikely to 416 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:24.319 become this breakout hit. Just so I couldn't help but 417 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.640 also be admiring the movie as I was watching the movie, 418 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:29.480 and I think that might have softened the blow a 419 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.119 little bit for me, you know what I mean, because 420 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:34.519 I was thinking, like, man, good for them a lot 421 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.599 while I was watching it, which didn't diminish it for me, 422 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:39.319 Like it didn't take me out of it. I just 423 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:42.160 made me, in my own personal way, appreciate the movie 424 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:49.359 even more, I guess. Yeah. But for people it's just funny. 425 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:52.559 It is a horror movie, and so I can't like 426 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.240 broadly recommend it. You know, people I think know what 427 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.839 they're able to stand when it comes to that, right, 428 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:04.799 But knowing what it is, I definitely recommend this movie. 429 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:11.440 This is a very good dark tale. And you know, 430 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.640 it also made me think because now we're having this 431 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.599 sort of explosion of new exciting voices in horror, right, 432 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:23.079 I mean, several years ago it was Jordan Peel. You know, uh, 433 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.920 we had what's his name? Oh gosh, I should have 434 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:27.400 in front of me. 435 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:27.720 I don't. 436 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:32.440 But the filmmaker who did back Rooms Kill, Kane Parsons, 437 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.759 Kane Parsons, forgive me. And and then now this guy. 438 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.240 And it's it's interesting because you know, you and I 439 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.480 for the longest time have said we are not horror guys. 440 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.160 And it used to be we're not horror guys, period, 441 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:46.960 and then it became, well, we're not horror guys. But 442 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.440 I kind of enjoyed this. And then in the past 443 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:53.839 couple of years, several of my favorite movies of the 444 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.000 year were horror movies, right, you know, you had Companion 445 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.680 and weapons and this and back Rooms and and I 446 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:06.079 was thinking, it's interesting because there was this thinking several 447 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:08.519 years back, why are all these big movie stars doing 448 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:13.720 TV shows. It's like, well, movies have become this sort 449 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:15.720 of thing where they have to make a certain amount 450 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.759 of money. They cost so much money, they have to 451 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.480 perform and get the biggest audiences to show up for 452 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.440 them possible. So they're making these things that don't feel 453 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:31.599 as specific. You know, they're they're big, you know, theme 454 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:35.039 park rides for everybody, which can be a fun experience, 455 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.119 but that doesn't mean you're going to get the most 456 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.960 nuanced or complicated characters or stories that might not appeal 457 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.480 to everyone, but they're very rich and something exciting for 458 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.279 an actor to chew on. That became television, so all 459 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.559 the big TV movie stars went to TV because that 460 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:57.599 was where all the exciting, textured, nuanced, complicated stories were happening. 461 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.799 For me, it feels like, strangely, that's what's happening with horror, 462 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:09.960 like and theatrically, all the really interesting concepts, stories, storytelling, 463 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.079 delicious parts for actors seem to be happening in horror 464 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.599 at this moment, right, And I mean I would love 465 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.359 to see that open up. I would love to see 466 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:24.000 that happen with comedies again, with thrillers, with dramas you 467 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.839 know and all that. But it is funny how I 468 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:29.359 have kind of become a horror person because that's where 469 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:31.680 the most interesting stories are happening in this moment. 470 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.880 Fascinating, right, So we should say depending on the horror 471 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:36.000 Oh no, no, no. 472 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.799 Absolutely, Well, okay, what I want to say, Yeah, I 473 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:41.319 want to clarify because. 474 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:43.119 For a long time you're not you're not waiting for 475 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.599 Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey Too or whatever. 476 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.720 No, No, no, great point, great point. But what I 477 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:56.279 mean is these really interesting. Yes, Like I didn't used 478 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.559 to like horror because it was mostly what are ten 479 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:01.960 creative ways we can kill teenagers in two hours? 480 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.359 Yeah? Stupid teens? 481 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:05.559 Yeah, And I just had no interest in that. Like, 482 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:10.319 I'm not entertained by different forms of mutilating people, you 483 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:12.200 know what I mean. And I know some people are, 484 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.759 and they have a detachment from it, and they just 485 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.240 see it as like a you know, a hunted house 486 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.480 experience or something. Totally get that, not for me. But 487 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:25.119 with these stories that I'm mentioning weapons this companion, they're 488 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:31.839 really fascinating stories and have fascinating themes and fascinating characters, 489 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.440 and they just happen to have horror elements woven throughout them. Now, 490 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.920 would I have preferred this movie if it didn't have 491 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:44.440 one or two insanely discussing things. Yeah, like personally, yes, 492 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.000 you know, I wouldn't mind if they had scaled back 493 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:51.279 one moment in particular. But that's that's what it is, 494 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.799 you know what I mean. And I'm willing to stomach 495 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:59.319 that because I'm getting to enjoy such a great story. 496 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.240 On the big screen. Now I understand, my man, Andy 497 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:03.519 Richter is in this movie. 498 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.680 Yeah, it's kind of a small part, but is really 499 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.200 warms your heart seeing him, for sure. 500 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.359 It's it's fun seeing both Conan and Andy branching out 501 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.839 into a non comedic you know. 502 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:17.680 Well, that's right, yeah, Conan, And if I had legs, 503 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.839 I would kick you last year. And then he's going 504 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.960 to be in Toy Story five this month, that's right. Yeah. 505 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.039 Now you said you're familiar with the actress from this 506 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.559 indy Yeah Indian ever. 507 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:31.240 Yeah, yeah, she was one of the regulars on Superman 508 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.079 and Lois, which, as longtime listeners know, is one of 509 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:40.000 my very favorite Superman adaptations. She she was the daughter, 510 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.640 she played the daughter of Lana Lang. So you know 511 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:47.400 that's Clark's, you know, girlfriend from his Smallville days. He 512 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.039 moves back to Smallville and now you know, her daughter 513 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:54.119 starts dating Clark's son, and and you know, she was 514 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:57.160 she was a solid part of a very solid ensemble. 515 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.440 That's well, that's great, and I know she's kind of 516 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.680 blowing up, you know now with this movie, which I'm 517 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.319 really happy about because you know, we were saying right 518 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:10.359 before we started recording, I mean, like it doesn't you 519 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.240 can be the greatest actor in the world, but you 520 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.359 need the material that's going to be the right showcase 521 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.720 for you for everyone to see it. And it's amazing 522 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.759 that this movie that she probably had very little expectations about, 523 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:28.480 you know again, with its budget and everything, and this 524 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:32.680 was just a show stopping showcase for her. Like, she 525 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.960 gets to show such a range where she plays a 526 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.279 really nice, normal person that any you know, person would 527 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:43.440 have a crush on at the beginning, and then she 528 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.039 goes through this sort of metamorphosis phase where she's the 529 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.279 spell is taking over and she's a little confused, but 530 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.680 she's also feeling these sorts of feelings that are unnatural 531 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.759 and also being herself a little bit. But then she 532 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.960 becomes maniacal and she gets to do some really fun, 533 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:04.160 showy maniacal stuff, and it's unsurprising that she's being talked 534 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:05.599 about so much after that. 535 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.920 You know, the mark that somebody's made it is that 536 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:13.240 people start feverishly fan casting them as various superhero characters. 537 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.279 So that's the you know, right, It's like, you know, 538 00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.559 there's other roles believe it or not, everybody is like 539 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.240 reaching for that superhero dream and sure, sure, but right 540 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.920 away I saw oh she's got to play Harley Quinn 541 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.519 and I was like, well, that seems a little on 542 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.319 the nose, doesn't it right? 543 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:31.960 Well, I mean you, yeah, you can imagine of course 544 00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:33.519 because of this, because she does a lot of creepy 545 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:39.680 smiles and this incredible creepy frown. And then also Michael Johnston, 546 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.319 who plays the guy who makes the wish, I mean, 547 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.920 he it's a again, It's it's so good because it's 548 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.119 so meaty. It's not just about Okay, she's under the spell. 549 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.480 How many discussing things can she do for two hours? 550 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:57.079 Like it really is about what is this like for 551 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.079 a person under that spell? And what is it like 552 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.240 for this person who's put that person under the spell 553 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.240 who is kind of getting their wish come true? But 554 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.480 then you also realize that maybe this is a bit 555 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.519 against her will and what do you do about that? 556 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.359 You know, do you try to fix it? Do you 557 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.640 try to just you know, plug your ears and ignore it? 558 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:16.920 Do you? 559 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.279 And he plays that sort of that person really well, 560 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.880 you know someone who who you know, I don't want 561 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.440 to get into it, but like it's that's I think 562 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.839 it's also a media role, so it's there's a lot here, 563 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.319 And I can see why this movie is doing so 564 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.359 well because there is a lot here to enjoy versus 565 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:42.839 it just being you know, grotesque and. 566 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:42.920 And also. 567 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.720 Strangely for people who can tolerate it. I can't see 568 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.119 this being kind of an interesting date movie, you know, 569 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.680 sort of like to discuss it afterwards. 570 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.519 So this sounds like the perfect thing for me to 571 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.240 go tell Amana to watch without telling her what it's about. 572 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.039 I did the same trick earlier this year, would send help. 573 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.240 Oh, oh, she didn't know that it was kind of it. 574 00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.599 Yeah, I was just like, oh, it's like Rachel McAdams, 575 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:09.960 like crash lands on this island with her boss who 576 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.319 like doesn't like her, and she wasn't expecting what came next. 577 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:16.599 But she liked it, right. 578 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.799 I think her exact words were, I hate you for 579 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.640 telling me to go see that, but she did like 580 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.920 she did like the movie though, Yeah, yeah, it's a 581 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:28.599 little bit like we've talked about this before, you know. 582 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:32.759 I watched Fall with her, and that's another one that 583 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.000 had she known what it was about. I don't think 584 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.640 she would have co signed it, right, right, But that's 585 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.759 a great bruised forearm movie, you know. 586 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.319 Oh yeah, and there's a second one coming out this 587 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.480 year that is an official thing. Yeah. 588 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.400 I saw the poster for it and it's but it's 589 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:55.119 not the same person. I don't believe, so that that 590 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.200 right there is disappointing. I think I've said this before. 591 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.759 I want a franchise built on the same person ending 592 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.680 up in this situation again and again and again. 593 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.960 Yeah. So it's sort of like John McClain, like, how 594 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.519 many times can a guy end up in a tin 595 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:11.559 can every Christmas? 596 00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.720 You know? Yeah, So for those of you who don't 597 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.640 know Fall, it's about these two friends they decide to 598 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.920 go climbing up this tower that's like three times the 599 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.880 size of the Eiffel, Yeah, like a radio tower. Yeah, 600 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.720 it's in like the middle of Texas or something. And 601 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.720 then they just end up stuck there and hilarity ensues 602 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:33.839 as we're living Zachi Hassan's nightmare for the next ninety minutes. 603 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:38.200 You know. It's a captivating watch, but it's also it's 604 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.920 not a pleasant watch, you know. It's one of those Yeah, yeah, 605 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.160 I guess similar to obsession based on what you're describing. 606 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:47.359 Yeah, and obsession definitely more intense, grows, Like I said, 607 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.920 some gruesome moments, but also just psychologically, I mean just 608 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:55.279 thinking about it is really upsetting, really, you know, when 609 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.160 you get down to it. But very very well done. 610 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:03.160 A remarkable feature debut with by Curry Barker. I mean, 611 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:08.079 just so assured and like you'd think he's been doing 612 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:09.039 this for ten years. 613 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.319 Well in that van let's shift gears slightly because I 614 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.160 too saw a horror movie. 615 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.559 Oh what's happening to us? 616 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:26.200 Who are we this? This is a horror lampoon, I 617 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.640 should say more accurately. It will be known now and 618 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.960 forever as the he Man Killer. Oh no, I'm talking 619 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:35.000 about scary movie. 620 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.480 Yeah, scary movie slash, Scary movie six. 621 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.319 Scary movie six. Which of the scary movie catalog? How 622 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:44.759 many have you watched? 623 00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:51.319 Definitely four? I don't know if I ever saw five. 624 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.880 Okay, so you saw you saw, but you saw the 625 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:55.480 first three. 626 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:57.960 Wait, I take that back, I did not see two. 627 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.359 Okay, yeah, I I've never seen too. That's what I 628 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.240 realized after watching this one, which. 629 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:07.720 I'm seeing online seems to be everyone's favorite. But yeah, 630 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:09.920 I've seen one and I even saw one again recently. 631 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:11.760 It's been on Pluto and I watched the whole thing. 632 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.800 Really, so I have not. I saw it opening night 633 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.719 back in two thousand. Yeah, I haven't seen it since then. 634 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.639 Okay. And then yeah, then the Waynes did the one 635 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.519 and two, and then I think like Zuckers. 636 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.880 Did at least one man, there was some Zucker involvement. 637 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.079 I don't know how extensive that was. Yeah, for three 638 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.599 four and five, and then that that Zucker involvement kind 639 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:39.159 of you know, they also did Superhero movie, yeah, which 640 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.800 which is not terrible. I will say, that's. 641 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.119 What I've heard. Yeah, I've not. I've seen chunks of it. 642 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.639 But what about you with a scary movie. 643 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:52.000 So, like I said, I I've seen bits and pieces 644 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:56.880 of three four and five. I think I couldn't tell 645 00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.559 you which is which. I know. Lesley Nielsen is in 646 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:02.599 one of them. 647 00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.840 I think the thing I will never forget is he 648 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.360 plays the President and it turns out the alien and 649 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.199 he peees out of his pointer finger, that's right, and 650 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.239 then he like taps the pointer finger to get the 651 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.119 drips off. That's what I remember. That's what I remember. 652 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:22.000 Classy classic, So I I remember watching the first one 653 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.760 in the theater and finding it uproariously funny. I remember 654 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.639 very distinctly, right, I have not seen it, since I 655 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.000 cannot speak to that, I will say watching this, I 656 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:31.880 was like, man, this is. 657 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:33.440 Rough, really okay. 658 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.400 I mean, I'm just like, well, I'm I'm pushing fifty, 659 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.679 so I'm you know, on the one hand, I'm like, well, 660 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:43.719 maybe I'm just not the audience for this anymore. Then 661 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.119 I'm like, well, I think I am the audience for this, 662 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.559 because right so I was having this weird you know, 663 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.039 I just it. It wasn't even like I just found 664 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.559 the jokes mostly very broad and obvious. So it wasn't. 665 00:35:57.920 --> 00:35:59.800 It wasn't they were tasteless or whatever all of that 666 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:05.400 you expect. But it's like the movie itself is is 667 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:11.280 is following the structure of Scream, the twenty twenty one Scream. Okay, 668 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.800 so already you're like parodying a five year old movie 669 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.320 at this point, you know, right right right, and then 670 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.599 you know they work in you Got, you Got, the 671 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.960 substance is parodied, and and and get Out and like 672 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:30.840 a lot of the recent stuff, we've got some sinners 673 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.559 in there, you know. But to me, it just felt 674 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.880 very obvious and and unfunny in that way, you know. There. 675 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.679 I think that Marlon Wayne's who I like a lot 676 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.199 like his character Shorty is who is in the first two. 677 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.599 He gets like he gets a lot to do in this, 678 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.119 and it was like way too much. Mmm, okay, because 679 00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.800 I'm like, he's just like a stoner. That's his whole thing, right, 680 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.519 that's it. And I'm like a little goes a long way, 681 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.400 you know, right. I think that you have Sean Wayne's 682 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:12.119 playing Ray, who's like the closeted gay guy. M he 683 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.239 he has stuff in this that I think is funnier, 684 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.400 even though it's all very one note, but it's it's 685 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.280 at least funny, you know. But like other than that, 686 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.960 you know, it's like Anna Farius is doing like she's 687 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.960 like Jamie Lee Curtiz and the Halloween reboot movies. Okay, 688 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.920 and she's she's woven in and then and then you've 689 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:33.480 got you've got a new cast to I don't I 690 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.320 don't remember their names, but like it's again, it's it's 691 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.119 very laborious, you know. 692 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:39.840 Really wow, Okay. 693 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.639 I I found it. I'll put it this. I found 694 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.639 it mostly unfunny up until the very end, and I 695 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.239 won't reveal it, but like the third the third act, 696 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.960 as as we're winding up the story, I laughed at 697 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.760 some of the things they did. I thought those were 698 00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:01.920 pretty funny. Okay, but I just you know, I my 699 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.000 question is like how much of an afterlife do these 700 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.119 movies have? Anyway? 701 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:10.039 You know, Well, that's my question for you actually, because 702 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.559 we had the Nicked Gun reboot recently and they did 703 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.800 a really good job. I know, we were sort of nervous, 704 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.000 like can they even come close to replicating that kind 705 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.440 of humor all these years later, because it seemed unlikely 706 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.239 we hadn't seen it in so long, And they actually 707 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.920 did a really good job of doing a similar style 708 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.440 of humor, which is a lot of visual gags, a 709 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.800 lot of wordplay, and they brought it into the twenty 710 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.679 first century. Also, it was I thought it was successful. 711 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.360 But there were also those terrible parodies several years ago, 712 00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:47.320 like date Movie, Meet the Spartans, epic movie, And the 713 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.199 problem with those was all they did was try to 714 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.880 be like, remember this are you look at this thing? 715 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.559 This movie? Hey, we're doing this movie now, so they'd 716 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.719 always have to say a right, I remember they had, 717 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.599 you know, when Britney Spears shaved her head or whatever, 718 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.920 it was like meet the Spartan's kind of a moment exactly, 719 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.079 So like Britney Spears would be there shaving her head 720 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.400 and someone has to go, hey, oh no, it's Britney Spears, 721 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.639 and then like you know, he'll kick her into the 722 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:17.719 pit or something, and it's like, well, that's I hate 723 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:20.119 to break it to you, that's not a joke, right, 724 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.960 Like you could maybe work with that, maybe you can 725 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.800 find something there. But like so, I guess my question 726 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:29.559 is does this skew more that kind of parody or 727 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.199 does this go a little bit more closer to the 728 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:33.159 Naked Gun. 729 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.119 That I think it's somewhere in the middle. Like, I 730 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:41.480 don't think it's as amateurish as those other ones, you know, 731 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.280 but I think that I think so much of the 732 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.719 humor in this is reliant on recognizing the reference, and 733 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.639 it's not funny on its own. Yes, I see, right, 734 00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.440 like the substance sequence unless I mean, granted I haven't 735 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.679 seen the substance, but I'm familiar with I know. But but 736 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.719 if I would imagine that that not everybody watching this 737 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.760 movie has seen that, so would it just not make 738 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:10.920 any sense at all, you know. 739 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:15.840 So they don't take that scenario from the substance and 740 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.440 craft jokes within it. They just present the substance and 741 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.199 expect you to laugh at recognizing it. 742 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.559 I think. So right, Like the there there's one bit 743 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:29.400 where it's you know, the the the Marlon Wayin's character 744 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:34.159 is is gets stoned and then ghost Face shows up. 745 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:35.760 That's the other thing, by the way, is that is 746 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.519 that they can they call him ghost Face And I'm like, yeah, 747 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.559 I guess because it's all like within the same studio. 748 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:43.440 Yeah, that's right, paramount now. 749 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.440 But so so ghost Face does like the teacup thing 750 00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:54.599 like from from get Out, okay, and then Sean or 751 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:58.800 sorry Marlon Wayne's goes into the sunken place and it 752 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.719 turns out to be a parody of K pop Demon 753 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:09.679 Hunters okay, And I mean, yeah, that's that's me. I'm like, okay, yeah, 754 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:10.840 I guess I was trying to imagine it. 755 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:12.239 What do you mean like it becomes. 756 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.480 It becomes like an animated Yeah. But it's like, well, 757 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:18.760 I mean I don't find that funny, you know what 758 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.159 I'm saying, Like, I totally totally. 759 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.000 But I can understand in the heat of the moment 760 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.840 on a Friday night, if you're excited about this, you 761 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.400 know those things that sort of oh that's the thing, 762 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.280 I know, and you have some sort of response to it. 763 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.239 But to your point, is that something that's going to 764 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:34.719 live on? Are you ever going to watch it again? 765 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.800 Maybe not and probably not. 766 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.559 But but on the other hand, you know what, they 767 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.559 spent thirty million dollars making this movie. It made like 768 00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:45.079 fifty something opening weekend. Wow. Yeah, So, I mean they 769 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.800 got their bag right, And guess what, I'm glad that 770 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.159 the Waynes brothers who got kicked kicked to the curb 771 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.800 before from a franchise that they started, they got to 772 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.559 come back and sort of have their their triumphant homecoming. 773 00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:59.679 Good for them, you know, right, there's plenty of waynees 774 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.159 is in here. I mean, we got we got, we 775 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:06.360 got Sean and Marlon, but I saw a Damon Junior 776 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:11.119 is in here. He gets a cameo, Greg Wayns, Who's 777 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.079 Who's and Kim Wayne's is and we got we got, 778 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:14.559 we got, we got a whole bunch of Waynes. 779 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.000 That's great. 780 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.679 Yeah, plenty of cameos though, my gosh, lots of lots 781 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.280 of people popping in Okay, yeah, but but largely forget 782 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.840 about I again, I will say the last ten minutes 783 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.199 or so, I did laugh. I found the gags and 784 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.599 sort of the way they wound together what they were doing. 785 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:39.440 I found it amusing. Okay, okay, but not enough to 786 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.440 recommend it, you know, right. 787 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:47.199 Right, So if you're feeling like this might be your 788 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.440 thing and you just want to kick back and visit 789 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.519 a familiar place, maybe you'll enjoy it, but you can't 790 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.559 broad recommend it's not like yeah, and. 791 00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.760 Well, and the thought I had is it's been it's 792 00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.239 been what like twelve years I think since the last 793 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.960 one thirteen years mm hmm. So it's like this one 794 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.639 was playing catch up with all the shit that's like 795 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.559 horror in thirteen years you get it. Like now, based 796 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.960 on how this one did, they're gonna be like they're 797 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.000 gonna have another one in theaters like next week, you know. Yeah, 798 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:14.679 and it's like, well, what are you gonna what are 799 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:20.039 you gonna parody? Right? Well, one presumes obsession and back rooms. 800 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:24.400 Mm hmm. Okay, right right right right. 801 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:26.639 I mean you know it kind of makes you wonder too. 802 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.639 I saw something online where on the poster they had 803 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.719 a squid game mask. And you know, these movies tend 804 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.880 to be like eighty minutes, right, and you wonder if 805 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.440 they have like two and a half hours of material, 806 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.480 and some worked better than others, and you wonder what 807 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.119 they did shoot that they didn't include. 808 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.320 Yeah, you know, well it it definitely felt. You know 809 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.000 what I'm gonna this is like one gag which I'll 810 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.920 I guess I'll spoil it somewhat. I'm just to make 811 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.440 the point I'm making. So you've got you know the 812 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.360 way the movie creates it. Anna Faris is character has 813 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.320 has two daughters and they're in essence, Melissa Brera and 814 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:09.360 Jenny Ortega, right, and and then you've got the boyfriend, who, 815 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.519 like the whole movie is very obviously telegraphing is the 816 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:13.719 killer just like Jack. 817 00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.440 So literally scream five or whatever. 818 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:19.239 Absolutely, und okay, right, it's it's doing that. It starts 819 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.920 with her name is Tuesday. That's how obvious it is. Okay, Okay, 820 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.639 there take a character take, so so we're following them 821 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:27.519 throughout and then and then we also see that there 822 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:33.960 is a Halloween party at at Regina Hall's house, and 823 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.280 you know, all the kids are there at her house. Okay, 824 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:40.760 So then the doorbell rings and it's it's this is 825 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.880 not them, but it's it's you know, Melissa Brera, Jener 826 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:47.840 Ortega and Jack Quaid whatever there those characters. Yeah, but 827 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:53.079 they're like the vampires from Sinners at the door. Okay, 828 00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.000 at the door and can we come in? It's like no, 829 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.400 go away, right, and and it's like, we get it. 830 00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.199 That's the thing from Sinners. But I'm like, but why 831 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:04.480 are there those why are they doing that? Like what 832 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:05.840 do you get what I'm saying? 833 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:07.199 Yeah, no, totally totally. 834 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.840 I'm like, I don't I understand the reference, but I'm 835 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.599 not understanding it's placed in this other than you guys 836 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.199 are like, oh, we got to do a Sinners. 837 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.880 Thing, right, which is interesting because that does sound less 838 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.960 like the First Scary Movie. Yeah, right, the First Scary 839 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.480 Movie actually works as a movie, and it has references 840 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.480 and obviously absurd things happening, but it's all within the 841 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.440 context of that story, right where I remember there's that 842 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.360 matrix fight between ghost Face and on A Ferris, but 843 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.599 that's because they're scaring off, and it's like, as they're 844 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.239 scaring off like they did In't Scream, But what if 845 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.960 she lifted in the air like Trinity, and but it 846 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.800 wasn't like randomly inserting, you know, punching in a moment 847 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.760 that doesn't necessarily fit in context just because you recognize 848 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:50.039 it from me. 849 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.280 Well, and I'll say that moment in particular bump me 850 00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.840 because it it felt in congress within this movie even 851 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.719 you know, it's funny you mentioned about Anna Faris doing 852 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.199 the matrix thing in the first film, because in this 853 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.760 we have her doing a John Wick basically as all 854 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.760 these ghost trace people come at her. And I was 855 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.480 a little thinking. I was like, man, look at that, 856 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.039 like like twenty five years later, twenty six years we 857 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:20.719 go from one Keanu to another. 858 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:26.000 That's right, Wow for him? How many iconic characters as 859 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.880 he played, right that you could do that as Shorthand 860 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.039 and everyone knows what she's doing. 861 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.320 Yeah, thought I thought that was very I thought that 862 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:37.320 was very funny. Yeah, so you know, I think this 863 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:38.599 is I don't I don't think you need to go 864 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:40.840 to the theater to see this, but but I suspect 865 00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.000 a lot of people are gonna it will be a 866 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:43.719 streaming hit. 867 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.280 Absolutely, I could definitely see streaming it at some point. 868 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:53.440 Yeah, But as I said, this one ended up demolishing 869 00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:57.519 Masters of the Universe over the box office. But we'll 870 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.480 talk about that later in this episode. But what the 871 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.519 what the box office fate of he Man and Company? 872 00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.480 It may portend for the future, if there is any 873 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:10.920 for that franchise. But hey, we got some listener letters. 874 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:16.480 Brian, Well, I believe you have been after it for 875 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:18.679 me eighteen thousand. 876 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:28.400 Lass All addressed that, SA, You've got me all right. 877 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.400 So you know, just a couple of weeks ago we 878 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.400 dropped our commentary track for the nineteen eighty seven Masters 879 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.920 of the Universe. Got some comments on that. 880 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:37.440 Oh love to hear it. 881 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.440 So here's a note we got from Mark la Chance 882 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.119 who says, I remember seeing this movie in the theater 883 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.079 when I was twelve, and I enjoy it. However, now 884 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.639 I realize its flaws and limitations, but I can still 885 00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:53.880 appreciate it. Lastly, one more leading actor that was dubbed 886 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:56.159 in a film. Now, if you remember, you and I 887 00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.159 we were talking about how we were debating about alf 888 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:05.159 Lundgren's delivery in the eighty seven movie, and you know, 889 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.119 we talked about how the initial intent was for his 890 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.039 voice to bed. He said, well, it's last time that happened. 891 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.719 I mentioned nineteen eighties Flash Gordon as one example. I 892 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.880 think I think we were perplexed as to whether there 893 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.639 were any others. Well, here comes Mark writing to the rescue. 894 00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:25.199 Great he says that Clinton Spillsbury was dubbed. That's not 895 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.119 a made up name, Brian, that's a real person. Doesn't 896 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.239 that sound like something like, what's your name? Son? It's 897 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.679 Clinton Spillsbury? 898 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:35.199 It totally does. 899 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:39.760 Yeah, real guy. He starred in nineteen eighty one's Legend 900 00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:44.239 of the Lone Ranger. Huh did you know that movie exists? 901 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:45.280 I know, I didn't. 902 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.360 So this is a movie not to be confused with 903 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.880 the twenty thirteen one. It stars, as we said, Clinton Spillsbury, 904 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.599 who was apparently dubbed. I think I knew that. I 905 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.800 may have blocked it up. But also Christopher Lloyd plays 906 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.159 the villain in that movie. Okay, he plays the guy 907 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:06.519 that you know in the recent one, William what's his name? 908 00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:10.079 William Fickner played him. Okay, same guy. So that that 909 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.920 movie it was. It flopped. It's another infamous flop. You 910 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.679 think they would learn, right, They keep conect to like, 911 00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:18.800 I don't think people are into the Lone Ranger anymore. 912 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:22.719 That's my sense. But that film when it came out, 913 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.360 it was meant to be. It was meant to do 914 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.320 for the Lone Ranger, what like what you know Superman 915 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:31.880 did for for well, for Superman, you know, okay, Christopher 916 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:37.079 uh did not happen obviously, But at that time, Clayton Moore, 917 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.599 who had played the Lone Ranger on the on television 918 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:42.559 in like the nineteen fifties and stuff, he was a 919 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.920 he was an older fella, and he would make appearances, 920 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.840 you know, as the Lone Ranger. Okay, so like he 921 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.199 would go to places and you know, meet meet the 922 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:56.800 original Loan Ranger, and the studio making this movie made 923 00:49:56.840 --> 00:50:01.679 him stop. And it became this like big story. 924 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.119 Because they wanted everyone to think of this movies Lone 925 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.639 Ranger as the Lone Ranger. 926 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.840 So yeah, exactly, they're like, hey, old man, take off 927 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:12.679 the mask. 928 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.440 Oh that's so sad. And it's so things have changed 929 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.880 so much now, right, I mean, these meet and greet 930 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.480 sorts of things are so enormous these days. 931 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:24.320 Yeah, huh. So I think there was that bit of 932 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:29.599 bad you know, bad karma slash bad publicity, right, which 933 00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:30.599 may have sunk the movie. 934 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:30.639 It. 935 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.079 My recollection is it's not very good. It's been a 936 00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:35.360 long time since I've seen it. 937 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.400 But you know, well, it's interesting you say that this 938 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.440 was hoping to be like the next Superman in that moment, 939 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.840 and it's funny because the twenty thirteen Lone Ranger feels 940 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.480 like it was trying to be the next Pirates of 941 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:48.079 the Caribbean. 942 00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:51.840 You know. Yeah, Well, we see a trend, you know, 943 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.639 tall things this season, and some of these things are 944 00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:57.840 just not meant to live on in the same way 945 00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:01.719 that they did. You know, not everything gets to be Batman. Yeah, 946 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.800 it's true, right, or Superman? I guess, I guess Superman 947 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:06.840 is an evergreen right? 948 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:09.360 Oh yeah, yeah, you know. 949 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.440 Mark continues. I also didn't realize there was a post 950 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.880 credits scene in the eighty seven Masters of Universe. I'll 951 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:18.119 have to check that out. No, you don't need to, 952 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:22.079 it's fine or you on YouTube. Yeah exactly, you don't 953 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.280 have to rewatch the whole movie for that. Let me 954 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:26.679 spoil it for you. It's just Franklenzella poking his head 955 00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:31.159 out of water saying I'll be back spoiler alert. He 956 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:35.199 did not in fact come back, right, He says, I 957 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.039 don't think that's the first post credit scene in film history. 958 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.719 In the movie Young Sherlock Holmes from nineteen eighty five, 959 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.280 the main villain is actually revealed to be Mori Yardy 960 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.079 in a post credits scene when he signs the register 961 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:51.840 at an inn. Now, I have not seen Young Sherlock 962 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:54.239 Holmes since the late eighties. 963 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:56.280 I don't think i've ever seen it. 964 00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.480 Oh you've never seen it. Oh it's a good movie. 965 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.239 Yeah, I only know it as the first movie to 966 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:04.840 have a full character. 967 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:11.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's I mean, might 968 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.320 be worth revisiting. I suppose, you know. Yeah. 969 00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:20.360 Well it's funny too, because now, of course people attribute 970 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.559 to post credit sequences to Marvel films and say, like, 971 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.400 you know, nobody left Masters of the Universe when I 972 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.880 saw it, because we're all thinking, well, there must be 973 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.199 a post credit sequence here, because Marvel has conditioned us 974 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.280 with these big blockbusters like Blasps. Wow, I'm not even 975 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:44.360 gonna cut that out. That's staying. Uh. You anticipate most 976 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.039 big blockbusters are going to have some sort of joke 977 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:48.800 in the middle of the credits and a setup for 978 00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.360 something else at the end. Right, But growing up in 979 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.480 the eighties. All the John Hughes movies had those, right 980 00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.360 Farris Bueller obviously, Planes, Trains and Automobiles has the ad 981 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:03.320 executive from the beginning of the movie still looking at 982 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.760 the two mock ups, like and I think there's a 983 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.880 Thanksgiving turkey on the table, implying that he's been there 984 00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.119 for several days. That's in front of the credits, and 985 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.920 then Adventures and Babysitting Nut John Hughes. But you know, 986 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.519 a bad guy follows a girl out to the outside 987 00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:20.760 of a skyscraper. Then after the credits, you see he's 988 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.280 still stuck on the skyscraper. So that like used to 989 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:25.920 be a thing. Yeah, and then it feels like they 990 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.599 went away for a little bit. And then Marvel, you know, 991 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.039 conditioned us to no matter what the movie is, now 992 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:34.360 we expect there to be a post credits scene. 993 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:40.280 Yeah, every Yeah, I mean, like I'm trying to think of, 994 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.840 like even in terms of Marvel, Like, what what was 995 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:51.039 it like, cause I stuck around for iron the end 996 00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.960 of Iron Man, and I'm like, how did I know 997 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.760 to do that? Right? Yeah? 998 00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:59.519 I mean was there online chatter like don't leave? 999 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.599 Must have been in fact, you and I and Sean 1000 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.880 we watched Iron Man together and we all I must 1001 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.320 have read somewhere like, oh, there's a thing after the credits. 1002 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.760 I'm guessing yeah, right. 1003 00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:12.079 Interesting. 1004 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:14.480 By the way, just in case anyone's wondering the same 1005 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.079 thing I was, I just googled it. This is off 1006 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:19.199 of Wikipedia, so I don't know, but it says the 1007 00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.400 first general release film to feature a post credits scene 1008 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:29.320 is The Silencers from March nineteen sixty six. Wow, And 1009 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.519 it features Dean Martin. He's on us rotating sofa with 1010 00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:37.960 densecantly clad women and during the scene, text overlays are. 1011 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:39.079 They just filming his life? 1012 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.119 And then they just put it in right right, and 1013 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.400 it says coming up next, so maybe it was setting 1014 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.599 up a sequel or something. And then the next one 1015 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.519 it lists is nineteen seventy nine of them up at 1016 00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:50.159 movie so wow. 1017 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.119 Okay, so there was a big gap there. 1018 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:55.400 According to Wikipedia and what they've listed here, and then 1019 00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:59.639 and then it says airplane young Sherlock Holmes, Masters of 1020 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.079 the Universe, skeletory at the bottom of a pit saying 1021 00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:02.679 I'll be back. 1022 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:10.000 Yeah, but what what like? What does the two thousands 1023 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:10.360 look like? 1024 00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:23.800 Contemporary film examples all five Pirates of the Caribbean films, Napoleon, Dynamite, Daredevil. 1025 00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:26.599 I remember that Bullseye when he's in the full body cast. 1026 00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.280 It's like a mid credit scene. Okay, x men, the 1027 00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:33.000 Last Stand I remember that. Yeah, Harry Potter and the 1028 00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:38.800 Chamber of Secrets. Uh well, I don't know if this 1029 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.079 is matrix reloaded. That wasn't That was a trailer for 1030 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.880 the next trailer. Yeah, I call foul come on now, 1031 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.559 Uh yeah, well then, of course not. It's getting into 1032 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:50.559 Marvel basically. 1033 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.400 All right, Well, it's easier to blame Marvel as people. 1034 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.039 All right. Nowadays it's like all Marvel ruined everything. 1035 00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:59.360 Right, right, But it was with the Masters of the Universe. 1036 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:01.559 I mean, I was just convinced. I knew there would 1037 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:02.000 be something. 1038 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.679 You know what's funny is I did not stick around 1039 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:11.559 for the final final post credit scene because I thought 1040 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:16.599 that was just the the two the earlier too. 1041 00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:20.400 You know, something told me because the movie seemed a 1042 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.000 little reverential for the first one by giving delfh Lungrin 1043 00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.320 an entire scene and not just one line. In passing, 1044 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.000 I wondered if they felt like compelled, they would feel 1045 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:32.480 compelled to put something at the end, like. 1046 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.039 The to mirror the end the post credit scene of 1047 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:35.719 the eighty seven. 1048 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:36.480 Yeah, and they did. 1049 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.559 They did. Indeed, we'll talk more about Master's Universe in 1050 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.280 a second. Oh. Actually, on one other comment we got 1051 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.280 this is also about voiceovers. This is from mister Roro 1052 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.480 on YouTube says, I don't know of a recent voice 1053 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.880 over dubbed, but zach Efron's singing voice was dubbed over 1054 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:56.800 in the first High School Musical. So I know you've 1055 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:58.239 always wondered about that, Brian. 1056 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:03.119 He was just he was He was so handsome, and like, well, 1057 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:05.559 we need that face, we need the face. Just tell 1058 00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:06.840 you something about that voice. 1059 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:11.599 Just the just the singing voice. Anyway, thank you for that. 1060 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:22.960 And got some headlines here, Brian extra. So we're talking 1061 00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:26.280 about Masters of the Universe. The big question is what 1062 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.840 does the future of this franchise look like? Does it 1063 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.079 have a future? It? It opened in a way that 1064 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.280 I have to say, you and I have been absolutely 1065 00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:39.920 consistent about that this movie was not going to do well. Yeah, 1066 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:42.559 I mean we as soon as the first trailer dropped, 1067 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.639 you and I talked about it and we were both like, well, Amazon, 1068 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:47.760 MGM about to lose a lot of money on this movie. 1069 00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:53.000 Yeah, and I mean the main reason was maybe the 1070 00:57:53.039 --> 00:58:00.000 window for this ip has all but closed at this point, 1071 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:01.920 you know, I mean, this is something that would appeal 1072 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.960 to us and people our age. But I don't know, 1073 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.320 I know there have been other iterations of he Man 1074 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:11.119 throughout the years, but I don't feel like, you know, 1075 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:13.320 a ten year old in this day and age knows 1076 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.800 what he Man is and is asking their parents to 1077 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:16.280 go see it. 1078 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:17.000 Yeah. 1079 00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:19.440 Yeah, it was an uphill battle for it. 1080 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.920 It was always an uphill battle. And you know, this 1081 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:28.440 film has been you know, a hypothetical for as long 1082 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.360 as we've been making this podcast. Yeah, we've said pretty 1083 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:36.519 consistently the window is closing, you know. We were saying that 1084 00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:37.480 like ten years ago. 1085 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:37.920 Yep. 1086 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.840 So it indeed has closed based on at least just 1087 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:43.880 the box office. But I think I think there's a 1088 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.800 comma at the end of that rather than a period, 1089 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:50.280 because yeah, look, we're a far cry from whatever the 1090 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.119 first Michael Bay movie Transformers movie made, you know, twenty 1091 00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.599 years ago almost, and if you remember, in the aftermath 1092 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.000 of the first Transformer, they were trying to get like 1093 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:02.719 g I Joe out the door and all this other stuff. 1094 00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.840 I think this one two was a result of Barbie 1095 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:07.960 doing as well as it did. 1096 00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.960 I believe it or not. I completely forgot about the 1097 00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:16.079 Mattel connection. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think what 1098 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:19.880 Barbie had gone for was several factors. One, Barbie has 1099 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:26.480 never ever gone away be you know, Greta Gerwig had 1100 00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:29.639 a point of view, and see, you know Margot Robbie 1101 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.239 was sort of a zeitgeisty star at that moment, right, 1102 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:37.039 So it was this unique alchemy of premise filmmaker and 1103 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:41.440 star working together. And so I certainly understand Mattel just 1104 00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:43.880 jumping on that being like, hey, he man, you know 1105 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:44.400 Hot Wheels. 1106 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:47.880 I'm sure Hot Wheels is somewhere in the development pipeline infinitely. 1107 00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:52.760 But yeah, it was always like, again, as I say 1108 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.400 this as a fan, it's like, look, it burned white 1109 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:59.880 hot from like eighty two to eighty six, and it's 1110 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.599 ever burn that hot again. And that's okay. So, as 1111 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:06.239 you and I discussed, it's like, well, at the end 1112 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.320 of the day, do we have a movie that we liked? Yeah, 1113 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:11.480 you know, and at least for me, that's all I need. 1114 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.119 I can't remember if I said this to you, but 1115 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:18.840 but exactly thirty years ago to the date, like the 1116 01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:24.079 same weekend thirty years ago, another movie opened that I 1117 01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:27.400 happened to like quite a bit, which flopped catastrophically, which 1118 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:28.199 is The Phantom. 1119 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:31.280 Mmm, wow, thirty years ago. I was thinking further back. 1120 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:32.840 He said thirty. 1121 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.840 Yeah, thirty years ago. And then you know, exactly thirty 1122 01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:41.039 five years ago this summer was The Rocketeer. And you know, 1123 01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:43.400 my point is, it's like, look, don't I don't need 1124 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.039 a shared cinematic universality of this stuff. I don't need 1125 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:49.079 trilogies or anything. I'm like, just give me one movie 1126 01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.639 that I enjoy. I'm I'm I've had one he Man 1127 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.480 movie for forty years. Now there's two and that's fine. 1128 01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.920 You know yeah, And you you saying Rocketeer is the 1129 01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:02.840 perfect example that makes me understand because that came out 1130 01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.719 when I was young. I wasn't really following box office. 1131 01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.559 I just knew I loved it. I've always loved it. 1132 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.199 I still love it. I watch it now and I 1133 01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:14.199 think it completely holds up. I think it is a 1134 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.599 wonderful movie. And I don't even think about I'm sure 1135 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.639 the executives back in the you know who are working 1136 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.599 at Disney at the time thought a lot about its performance, 1137 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.480 but that doesn't have anything to do with how I 1138 01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:28.559 feel about that movie. Yeah, it's just a wonderful movie 1139 01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.639 that I'm always going to get to enjoy. And so 1140 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:33.559 it's unfortunate in this moment for the people who have 1141 01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:37.360 money in on Masters of the Universe. But to your point, 1142 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.559 we've got a great movie that a lot of people 1143 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.679 have enjoyed. Most people I've seen who've watched it, critics 1144 01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:45.559 and fans and everyone alike, have enjoyed it. And we 1145 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.760 will always have it and that's nice that. 1146 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:51.760 Yeah, and this is acknowledging that, you know, not everybody 1147 01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.679 loved it, you know. I Luke Smail sent us a 1148 01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:59.199 note sort of listing the reasons didn't work for him, 1149 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:00.760 and he's not a loan you know. I think some 1150 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.840 people had issues with the tone. Yeah, you know, it 1151 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.880 was a little joke or whatever, you know, and Marvel 1152 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:09.320 hashtag Marvel ruins everything, you know, and I want to 1153 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.000 acknowledge that. Look, the tone's not gonna work for everybody. 1154 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:16.840 So so it's not like it's it's without flaw, right, 1155 01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.920 But I agree with you in that, by and large, 1156 01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.079 it seems to me that folks who are checking it 1157 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.199 out are coming out like that was that was fun? 1158 01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:25.760 You know. 1159 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:31.039 And and you know, I've seen it just since we 1160 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.000 last record, I've seen it twice more so, I've seen 1161 01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.039 it three times total. I've enjoyed it each time. I've 1162 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.280 seen it with a different uh, you know, a group 1163 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:43.119 of people each time, you know, different group of kids. 1164 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.480 My kids all have enjoyed it. My wife loved it, 1165 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:47.800 Oh my, oh good, she was just over the moon. 1166 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:51.159 My brother loved it. For me, my brother and I 1167 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.239 we we watched the original one in you know, in 1168 01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:55.920 eighty seven, so we were like, oh, we're going to 1169 01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:00.480 go see this one, and that was just a very 1170 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.800 surreal experience for me just having that, you know. 1171 01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:07.480 Yeah, right, so the movie it to me, it's. 1172 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.760 Like it's another John Carter or any of these one 1173 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:14.519 and done's that are just fine. You know. However, I 1174 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.119 saw a piece up at Nerdous with which I thought 1175 01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:19.719 was interesting just looking at the reaction of the film 1176 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:25.480 in terms of, yes, the budget is astronomical and it 1177 01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:27.639 doesn't make a lot of sense, but factoring in well, 1178 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:32.400 Amazon had to have known that, They're like that was 1179 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.840 a lot of money to spend on this, so like, 1180 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:39.239 what was the thinking behind it? And it's it's you know, 1181 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.639 I saw a statement from somebody from Amazon. It was like, well, 1182 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.000 it's performing, you know, in line with what we expected, 1183 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:50.880 and we're you know, it's gonna have a long afterlife 1184 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.840 on our platform or whatever. And I'm like, well, a 1185 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:57.119 lot of that's a little coia, right, Like I wouldn't like, 1186 01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.719 if I'm hoping for a sequel, I wouldn't take heart 1187 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:02.280 in a statement like that. Yeah, yeah, Like what are 1188 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.079 they gonna say, Oh, we shit the bed with this 1189 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:08.960 one bad? Obviously they're not gonna do that. But I 1190 01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:13.599 I find it interesting that a lot of the discussion 1191 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.039 I've seen online has been something in the vein of, 1192 01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:20.360 you know, they should have put it on streaming, and 1193 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.679 and I'm like, how fascinating isn't that fascinating? Like how 1194 01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:27.760 like like we're now we're we're at the point where 1195 01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.599 obsession and back rooms, which would have been the streaming 1196 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:35.159 movies five years ago, Yes, those are the theater movies. 1197 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.400 And this we're like, it's put it on streaming. Voltron, 1198 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:39.639 that's going to streaming, right? 1199 01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:40.760 Saw that? Yeah? 1200 01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.559 Right? And and and think about it, right, like two 1201 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:52.239 years ago, you and I watched Axel Foley Yeah right, 1202 01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:55.440 right right, And and the conversation we had at the 1203 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.360 time was like, why didn't they put this in theaters? 1204 01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.320 And then now I kind of like the that may 1205 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.679 have been the smart move, not putting in theaters. 1206 01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:08.159 Yeah, because then it wouldn't have maybe a stigma yees 1207 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:11.239 do it if it didn't perform. 1208 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:14.960 Right, because remember just the year prior to Axel f 1209 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:19.800 was in the five Yeah, which was also a famous 1210 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:22.320 calamity in terms of how much they spent versus much 1211 01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.840 they made. But we're seeing the trend here, which is 1212 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:31.440 that you know, our time in the sun is rapidly dwindling. 1213 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:35.199 When you say are who are you referring to us old, 1214 01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:37.119 our stuff, the stuff? 1215 01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:39.719 We yeah, well, let me let me let me quote you. 1216 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.440 This portion from Nervous says, so what becomes of mo 1217 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.679 tw next? Should Mattel give up all attempts at making 1218 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.920 the brand relevant and just keep selling high end replicas 1219 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:54.039 of older toys to its AARP ready audience. So a 1220 01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:56.039 little piece of me died when I read that sentence 1221 01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:01.760 as I nervously glance at my power Sword replica on 1222 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:10.480 my shelf. So I don't know. You know, this is 1223 01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:15.039 from Nerdous. They say Amazon MGM should simply read the 1224 01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:18.400 tea leaves on the non theatrical future of Masters universe 1225 01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.639 and release the film to prime video now. Don't wait 1226 01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:24.159 two or three months. Do it in three weeks, drop 1227 01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:26.119 it while the film is still in the conversation. If 1228 01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.800 the streaming numbers are good, then pivot and let Motu 1229 01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:33.760 become a streaming franchise. And weirdly, I look at that 1230 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:36.559 and I'm like, you know, maybe that might not be 1231 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:37.519 the worst idea. 1232 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:40.519 I as long as I get one more chance to 1233 01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.119 check it out on the big screen, because I do 1234 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:46.840 want to. Yeah, yeah, maybe not. I mean, this is 1235 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.159 twenty twenty six. If that works for that and that, 1236 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.440 I'm glad they made it. I want them to be 1237 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.639 rewarded for making it, if that's what's gonna help them 1238 01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:00.800 get make it most successful for them and profitable and 1239 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:05.639 whatever new metric sure sure. So. 1240 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:08.920 One data point I think is worth mentioning here when 1241 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:11.559 we talk about Amazon sort of having a plan, is 1242 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:14.679 that as soon as the movie was released, they put 1243 01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:20.320 the four K Blu ray up for pre order, and 1244 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:24.840 which is fast. I think, yeah, yeah, And it's been 1245 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:30.280 like the number one pre ordered, number one seller in 1246 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.239 that category in Amazon, like since since it went up. 1247 01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.079 See that's cool, right. 1248 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:40.119 If that's really just just anecdotal, maybe it doesn't mean anything, 1249 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:41.599 but it's a data point. 1250 01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:43.760 Yeah, and that's not something that could have happened in 1251 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:44.760 nineteen ninety six. 1252 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:46.880 That's a good point, you know what I mean. 1253 01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.559 So there's just so many unique factors right now, and 1254 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.599 I'm having to catch up to like, oh, well, it's 1255 01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:54.159 only in theaters for a couple of weeks, and that 1256 01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:56.440 must mean that it's this you know, it's it's not 1257 01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:58.320 gonna make its money back and that makes me feel bad. 1258 01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:00.719 But it's like, well, no, we've got Dreaming to account for, 1259 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:02.280 and they're going to license it out to you know, 1260 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.519 who knows who else to stream it. And the four 1261 01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:07.079 K is already number one seller. I mean, that's not 1262 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:08.719 something we ever had when we were kids. We had 1263 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:12.119 to wait a year for the home video release of anything. 1264 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.119 So they have, like you said, these executives probably had 1265 01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:17.199 this mapped out. 1266 01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:20.800 They they must have some kind of metric knowing that 1267 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.159 this movie is going to be living on that service 1268 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:29.039 for you know, and and it'll be a driver of traffic. 1269 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.800 And then and then again, if you've got these ancillarious things, 1270 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:37.279 like like the people people pre ordering the disc tells me, well, 1271 01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:39.199 they're they're already. People are like I want to watch 1272 01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.119 this again. I want to have it so I can 1273 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.439 revisit it, right, And and yeah, I mean I I 1274 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.159 don't begin to know what the calculations are as far 1275 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:51.279 as merch and how that's split between Mattel and and 1276 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:55.039 and and MGM Amazon, But I don't know interesting data 1277 01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:59.600 point anyway, Yeah, yeah, Like I I could easily see 1278 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:04.279 a situation where a sequel is has more of an 1279 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:06.079 audience because of goodwill from the first one. I just 1280 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:09.600 think that this is this isn't like a Batman Begins 1281 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.239 situation where the first one did reasonably well and then 1282 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.399 the second one just blew up right right like this, 1283 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.399 I mean, this is a there's no spinning this. This 1284 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.439 is a catastrophe in terms of money spent versus money out, 1285 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:25.680 you know. Yeah, but anyway, I just I just I 1286 01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:30.319 find all of this interesting in terms of realizing that, yeah, 1287 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:35.680 you know, twenty years ago was probably the peak window 1288 01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:38.840 to put this out there. And you're like, well, this 1289 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:44.640 is primarily a gen X franchise, and you know gen 1290 01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:49.119 X Millennial to some extent, and you know that window 1291 01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:52.399 is is rapidly closing, if not closed already. 1292 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:55.159 And like you were saying earlier, they can't all be 1293 01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:57.600 batman like some things are just going to have their 1294 01:09:57.640 --> 01:09:58.439 windows closed. 1295 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:05.239 Yeah, and especially when we talk about nineteen eighties kidvid. 1296 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:10.840 You know we've discussed this before. Other than Transformers and Turtles, 1297 01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:13.279 nothing else has hung in there. 1298 01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:19.000 Yeah, ThunderCats, all right, all that stuff Inspector Gadget, ThunderCats 1299 01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:20.000 movie ain't happening. 1300 01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:22.920 Yeah, no, no, sorry for anybody who was hoping to 1301 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:26.359 see a live action Shitara, not me. I'm just in general, 1302 01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:30.399 if anybody who is hoping to that, it probably won't happen. Sorry. 1303 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.560 That reminds me. By the way. So speaking of algorithms 1304 01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.279 and the things we're seeing, I have this thing now. 1305 01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:41.000 It's AI generated and it shows a red carpet for 1306 01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:44.600 a movie premiere of eighties cartoons. I mean this sounds 1307 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.439 so of course this has like been sent to me, 1308 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.680 but I remember there was one for Inspector Gadget and 1309 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:54.640 I got it looks incredible, like the lighting is perfect, 1310 01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:58.439 and it's Jim Carrey as Inspector Gadgets. 1311 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.960 And oh, that's what they should have done in the nineties, right. 1312 01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:04.560 Oh man, that's the thing. The casting is always perfect. 1313 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:08.239 And then what was the one? Oh I saw ThunderCats 1314 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:09.920 and it was Margot Robbie as Chaitara. 1315 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:11.520 Oh perfect, it's perfect. 1316 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:14.560 Yeah, and it's really well done. Do you ever see these? 1317 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:16.640 I have not seen that. 1318 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.319 Yeah, okay, I'm gonna send them to you and infect your. 1319 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.079 Are you gonna screw up my altho too? 1320 01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:21.359 Yeah? 1321 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:22.039 No, you love it. 1322 01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:22.920 It's right up your alley. 1323 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:26.000 Oh you know you mentioned Inspector Gadget And I feel like, 1324 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:31.039 weirdly that that late nineties movie may have put just 1325 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:33.199 enough juice in the tank for them to come back 1326 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:36.039 like that. That's the thing that people may have nostalgia for. 1327 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.520 Isn't that hilarious? I've noticed that because I'm a big 1328 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:42.880 Inspector Gadget person. That was one of my huge cartoons 1329 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:46.000 as a kid. Yeah, And so when I sometimes will 1330 01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:47.640 google it or look things up, or I'm like, did 1331 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.359 they ever are the old episodes anywhere? 1332 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:50.479 Do they make new episodes? 1333 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:53.399 I'm noticing there's a lot of nostalgia for. Yeah, that 1334 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:57.119 Matthew Broderick one, which I'm like, oh, fascinating, that is fascinating. 1335 01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:00.479 Yeah, so so you know that may be one that 1336 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.199 gets another turn at the grinder. 1337 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:04.840 Yeah, we shall see. 1338 01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:11.439 Yeah. Hey, speaking of a belated sequels, the truth is, 1339 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.960 no matter how much time passes, the windows never completely closed. 1340 01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.279 Because look at this. They just announced this week that 1341 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:22.600 a twenty four Jump Street is in the works. This 1342 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.279 is a new Jump Street sequel. Now you you may 1343 01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:29.199 realize that they skipped twenty three Jump Street. Yeah, so 1344 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:32.520 we got twenty one Jump Street in twenty twelve, and 1345 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.000 then twenty fourteen or twenty two, and then and then 1346 01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:42.680 twelve years later twenty four Jump Street. So that's a 1347 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:45.720 clever meta acknowledging that it's been a long time. 1348 01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:48.720 Yeah. Well, and at the end of twenty two Jump 1349 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:51.279 Street they do set up twenty three Jump Street, do 1350 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.560 you remember that? Well, yeah, and they set up like 1351 01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:57.760 through thirty something Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I don't know 1352 01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:01.159 if that's in reference to that or whatever, but those 1353 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.319 movies have been on Pluto lately. I almost always stop 1354 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:11.560 on them, and they are just like a joke a minute, Yeah, 1355 01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:15.560 and they and they land. You know, it's I really 1356 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:17.239 really enjoy those movies. So when I saw that they 1357 01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:20.319 were making another one, this is something I'm I'm like perfect. 1358 01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:24.359 I really love the brand of humor. Jonah Hill and 1359 01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:27.640 Channing Tatum are hilarious together. I would definitely want more 1360 01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.159 of this. So this is great. 1361 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.039 Yeah, so I'm looking at Variety. Here it says a 1362 01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.319 third installment of the franchise has been development at Tony 1363 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:37.560 for more than a decade. Remember they were they were 1364 01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:41.079 plotting a Men in Black crossover. 1365 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:43.239 Which don't you wish we could have kind of seen 1366 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:43.760 what that was? 1367 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:46.760 Well, Channing Tatum has said that's the best script he 1368 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:52.039 ever read. Well, which maybe just to comment on the 1369 01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:54.600 type of scripts he's getting. I don't know, there's that, 1370 01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:56.840 But also, I mean that's what they all say, that 1371 01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:58.560 the unmade one. 1372 01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:02.199 Yeah yeah, but when that never leaked? Did it in 1373 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:02.840 the Sony leak? 1374 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:07.960 I that's it, not the script but the the I 1375 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:10.239 wasn't that when it first got out that they were 1376 01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:12.039 thinking about doing that? Yeah? 1377 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:12.600 Interesting? 1378 01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:16.079 Yeah? Yeah, so it says here again, this is this 1379 01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.199 is from Variety. Why skip ahead to twenty four Jump 1380 01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:20.800 Street for starters. Sony's Jump Street movies are already a 1381 01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:24.399 self aware reboot plus the code of twenty two Jump Streets. 1382 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:26.960 He's Schmidt and Jenko take on a series of other 1383 01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:29.560 undercover missions that could serve as a potential twenty three 1384 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:33.680 Jump Street. The duo infiltrated middle School, medical School, culinary School, 1385 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:36.399 Firefighters School, Dance School, Da Da Da Da eventually become 1386 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:39.000 a video game animated series. Thus Sony titling the fourth 1387 01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:42.479 Cooming film, twenty four Jump Street, continues the running gag. 1388 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:48.039 At present, Tatum only has an offer to return for 1389 01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.439 twenty four Jump Street. Negotiations are expected to take place soon. 1390 01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:53.640 But Lord and Miller are not. 1391 01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:55.680 They're producing, Yeah they're not. 1392 01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:58.399 Yeah, they won't be directing. But I guess someone named 1393 01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:02.239 Rodney Rothman who directed or co directed one of the 1394 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:06.399 Into the Spider Verse movies. Yes, we're doing this, So 1395 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:08.319 so it's in the Lord and Miller family. 1396 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.880 Yeah. Well see, now Lord and Miller are you know 1397 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:14.560 they're too they're too high falutin now now that they've 1398 01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:16.960 got their like dramatic success. 1399 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:17.760 That's right. 1400 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:25.159 You know, I've seen enough stories like this drop where 1401 01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:27.359 it's like, hey, another one of these in the works. 1402 01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:31.399 X fill in the blank franchise, m that I'm slightly 1403 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.359 I'm not getting too excited. 1404 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:35.319 That's a good point. That's a good point. 1405 01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:37.279 Because it feels like this could very well be like 1406 01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:40.319 at testing the waters strategic drop you know. 1407 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:43.680 You know, I bet because they do track you know 1408 01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:47.399 how many times things are referenced on social media and whatever. 1409 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:49.359 So maybe it's like, yeah, they they put a little 1410 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:51.079 drop of blood in the water and see how many 1411 01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:52.000 people bite. 1412 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:56.880 Yeah. Yeah, Now that said, I think it is a 1413 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:59.760 good idea, and I feel like we're talking about windows 1414 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:04.439 closed saying this. This pretty much is like your window. Yeah, 1415 01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:08.319 maybe another couple of years. But it's very hard to 1416 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:13.560 get Jonah Hill and Channing Tatum to pass for students anymore, right, right, right, right, 1417 01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.560 Suppose they could pretend to be teachers, right, that would 1418 01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:20.880 be the next lotch Oh that's good. Right, yeah, but yeah, 1419 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:24.880 I've said this before in the in the second Jump 1420 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:32.800 Street movie, when Channing Tatum figures out that that Jonah 1421 01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:34.880 Hill slept with with Ice Cube's daughter. 1422 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:36.640 Yeah, yeah, it. 1423 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:41.119 I I have never laughed that hard in a movie theater, 1424 01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:44.520 Like I was doubling over, like for the rest of 1425 01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:45.800 the movie my stomach was hurt. 1426 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:47.039 You're still thinking about it. 1427 01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:50.119 Yeah, Oh my god, it just brilliant, so funny. 1428 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:53.359 Yeah, so I will watch this, oh same, Yeah, and 1429 01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:56.239 then like you said, speaking windows, I mean, this could 1430 01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:58.079 inject new life into this thing. And then you get 1431 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.000 two more if it were we. 1432 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.560 Had a whole roadmap after the post credits scene. 1433 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:05.279 And that's right. 1434 01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:11.439 We're gonna be talking about this fella's latest release in 1435 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:14.399 just a little bit. But Steven Spielberg's making the rounds, Brian. 1436 01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.039 Yeah, you know, it's I was telling you, it's pretty 1437 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:22.279 fascinating with Steven Spielberg because he is very gregarious and 1438 01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:24.960 he does good interviews. But if you start to watch 1439 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.800 a lot of his interviews, you begin to notice that 1440 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:30.039 they're a little crafted. 1441 01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:32.640 They're pre produced. 1442 01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:34.680 Pre produced, like he has his talking points, and he 1443 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:38.119 tends to repeat his talking points in his stories when 1444 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:41.600 you know, we of course would enjoy any new morsels, 1445 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.800 you know, just about himself and his process and all 1446 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.000 these things, but he always sort of gives us exactly 1447 01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:52.760 the amount he's going to give us, right, And he 1448 01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:57.920 doesn't do director's commentaries explaining his films, And when he 1449 01:17:57.960 --> 01:17:59.760 talks about his films, he tends to tell the same 1450 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:03.199 storyorries about them right that we've heard before, and he 1451 01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:09.279 doesn't do long form interviews until now. We were noticing 1452 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:12.760 that in the lead up to Disclosure Day, Spielberg has 1453 01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:16.279 really been making the rounds, pounding the pavement more than 1454 01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:21.960 I think I have ever seen. And that involves or 1455 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:26.520 includes him being in a bunch of podcasts as a guest. Yeah, 1456 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:28.960 and it's been kind of exciting for me. I mean 1457 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.439 I listened to him on the podcast It's called on 1458 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:38.119 Film with Kevin McCarthy, nice long form podcast where he 1459 01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:42.079 discusses craft. And then just before we got on, I 1460 01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.399 was listening to The Rewatchables and they had him for 1461 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:48.840 over two hours amazing talking about the movie two thousand 1462 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:49.119 and one. 1463 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:50.239 Wow. 1464 01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:56.640 So that's sort of the launching, you know, discussion like, okay, 1465 01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:58.640 let's talk about two thousand and one. But then that 1466 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:01.079 will inspire questions like, oh, well, that's interesting because in 1467 01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:03.479 this movie that reminds me of what you do and 1468 01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:05.960 Raiders of the Lost Arc and would you mind talking about 1469 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:09.159 what that was like that experience, And you start getting 1470 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.279 these stories I've never heard before where he's talking about 1471 01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:15.479 meeting Stanley Kubrick or having dinner with him or I 1472 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:18.640 just heard him talking about he didn't like The Shining 1473 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.840 when he first saw it. Spielberg and he went and 1474 01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:23.640 had dinner with Kubrick, and Kubrick was like, so, what 1475 01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:25.000 did you think of the Shining? And he's like, oh, 1476 01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:29.159 it's great, Stanley, and he goes, you didn't like it? What? No? 1477 01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:32.319 I know? And he goes, well, he goes, tell me 1478 01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:35.720 what you missed? What wasn't there that you wanted? And 1479 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:38.039 so he talked about the things from the book, you know, 1480 01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:40.119 the topiary animals coming to life, and he's like, ah, 1481 01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:41.439 it would have been cool to kind of see that. 1482 01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:43.479 And he goes, well, what did you think of Jack Nicholson? 1483 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:49.000 And he's like, well, I love Jack, but it's a 1484 01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:53.560 little big you know. And he's like, it's almost Kubuki performance, 1485 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:56.039 you know what he's doing here. And then he said, 1486 01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:58.159 you know, people can listen to the conversation. But then 1487 01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:02.800 Kubrick Spielberg is like, sharing this with us. Kubrick explained 1488 01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:07.239 these decisions and the performance decisions with Jack Nicholson, and 1489 01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:10.319 Spielberg was like, I see it now and it's just 1490 01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:15.640 my gosh, news stories, interesting stories, personal stories with him 1491 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:19.680 and not just Kubrick, but he talks about the Palma 1492 01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:21.600 and Lucas and all these other people, and it's just 1493 01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:24.560 what a time as a Spielberg fan to get to 1494 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:27.159 hear all these long form conversations with him right now. 1495 01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:30.920 So it's I'm really happy about that. But you and 1496 01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.920 I were also saying, it's also a little indicative of 1497 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:37.800 this maybe is the first time Spielberg's felt like he's 1498 01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:39.560 had to go out there and do this sort of thing. 1499 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.319 He's not the top of the heap anymore, right, Like. 1500 01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:46.239 He needs to go out there and spread the word 1501 01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:48.520 a little bit about his movie because when we were 1502 01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:52.000 growing up, I mean certainly in the eighties nineties, he 1503 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:54.359 didn't have to lift a finger. You know, Spielberg Movie's 1504 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.439 coming out. We were there, the world was there. Yeah. 1505 01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.199 And the last few movies he's had, which have been 1506 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:03.199 very good, the post Fableman's West Side Story, they have. 1507 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:04.720 Not performed right. 1508 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.359 And there's been the COVID of it all and all 1509 01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:09.960 that stuff to factor in as well, but they have 1510 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:12.439 not been the taken the world by storm the way 1511 01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:14.880 that his movie is used to. And so now you 1512 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.600 see him like, okay, like I'll go out there I'll 1513 01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:19.640 talk about my movie. You know, more than we've ever 1514 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:20.520 seen him before. 1515 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:22.880 He has to job own it a little more than 1516 01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:24.000 than he's used to having to do. 1517 01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:29.560 Yeah. Yeah, have you watched any of these conversations or I've. 1518 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:33.039 Seen not not what you're describing, but I I saw 1519 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:38.720 him on a Colbert Show about a month ago, and 1520 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:41.640 and I was thinking, like, you know, there there's a 1521 01:21:41.720 --> 01:21:46.840 short list right of people of like directors who who 1522 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.079 would show up on late night shows, m right, and 1523 01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:53.760 and Colbert is one of one of the ones who 1524 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:57.199 can who would do that because he had he had 1525 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:03.319 Christopher Nolan also, oh right, Yeah, yeah, I think I 1526 01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:08.680 think that the the movie landscape, I mean, this is 1527 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:10.399 this is just one of those things where you and 1528 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:12.920 I we have been around long enough to see all 1529 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:17.600 of the the waves, you know, how these things go. 1530 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:21.680 And and I think it, you know, I think there's 1531 01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:24.600 a discussion and I had before where it's like every 1532 01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:29.960 director gets a certain number of at bats and and 1533 01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:36.119 at some point, you know, just the the the zeitgeist 1534 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:40.920 moves on, and you know that's sort of where Spielberg 1535 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:41.640 is at right now. 1536 01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:48.800 You know, he's a fascinating case, right because everyone still 1537 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:50.439 knows who he is, and I do feel like there 1538 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:52.640 is still a reverence for him. I mentioned this on 1539 01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:56.800 the show, but you know, the first trailers for Disclosure 1540 01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:59.560 Day weren't doing a ton for me, right, and they 1541 01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:01.720 weren't give me a lot. I wasn't quite sure I was. 1542 01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:06.359 I wasn't finding something to hook onto necessarily, but of 1543 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:08.279 course I was going to go, it's Spielberg, it's Aliens, 1544 01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:11.199 all that. But I was picking up on and I 1545 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.920 had multiple experiences of this people next to me not 1546 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:18.520 quite jiving with the trailer, and then as soon as 1547 01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:22.279 it said from Steven Spielberg, I multiple times I heard 1548 01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:26.680 people go oh, you know, like sort of ugh huh. 1549 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.560 And then there are these two young people next to me. 1550 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:33.039 I told the story and I'm like, what does he 1551 01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:36.960 mean to them? You know, like does he I don't know. 1552 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.840 And when the thing ended, I heard someone go eh, 1553 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:44.159 and then the other kid went well but Spielberg, and 1554 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:48.159 I was like, Okay, So, I mean he's not dominating 1555 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:50.359 like he used to, but I do feel like people 1556 01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:56.600 still look to him as elevated. Yeah, so we'll see. Though. 1557 01:23:56.960 --> 01:24:00.159 The frustrating part about recording this episode is this is 1558 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.079 before it's really come out, so we have no idea 1559 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:05.039 how this is going to do. I'm very curious. 1560 01:24:05.479 --> 01:24:07.840 Well how about this, Brian, why don't you and a 1561 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:12.479 guy let's let's go see it, okay, and then we'll 1562 01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:13.039 talk about it. 1563 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:14.079 Look forward to. 1564 01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.720 It, see you soon, all right, see you in a 1565 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:24.680 couple hours. Okay, And now we're pleased to bring our 1566 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:31.960 features and we are back. And you know who else 1567 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:32.640 is back? Brian? 1568 01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:33.800 Who's that, Zachie? 1569 01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:37.479 Why it's Steven Spielberg making his movie. 1570 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.640 Making his movie. 1571 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:43.359 He has a certain what we're seeing now is like 1572 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:47.359 a trend line that he that he tends to gravitate right. 1573 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:50.399 Back towards I see what you're saying now. Yes, absolutely, 1574 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:51.600 this seems. 1575 01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:53.760 About every twenty years or so. It seems like. 1576 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.600 Exactly this is. This is always running in the back 1577 01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:59.319 of his mind, and every now and then he goes 1578 01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:01.560 back to it because he loves it so much. 1579 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.520 We see where his heart truly lies. I should say, 1580 01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:08.000 before we even get to our discussion of disclosure day, 1581 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:10.479 you and I we were talking about how he's been 1582 01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:13.399 making the rounds every which way, you know, and he 1583 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.640 was on the Josh Horowitz podcast. 1584 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:17.560 Oh I haven't heard that one yet. 1585 01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:20.760 Yeah. I just saw some clips on YouTube and I 1586 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:23.159 you know, he basically he did what you do. It's 1587 01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:28.079 just like asking all the questions. And he said, did 1588 01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:33.720 did Elliott and e t ever meet again? And Spielberg says, 1589 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:38.239 they never met again, but Elliott always dreamed about him 1590 01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.960 because of you know, when Et touched him on his forehead, 1591 01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:44.279 he created a psychic link that he had for the 1592 01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:45.039 rest of his life. 1593 01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:49.560 Ah. I like that, you know, when you said the 1594 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:52.000 question like did they ever meet again? I was literally 1595 01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:55.239 leaning forward like this was like world news, like and 1596 01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.399 what did he say? Well? 1597 01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.800 And I love that that Spielberg beyond just know he 1598 01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:02.319 actually thought it through. 1599 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:03.560 Yes, yes. 1600 01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:08.720 And then the second question was whether Roy Neary ever 1601 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:12.760 returned home? Oh my gosh, yes, and he said yes, yes, 1602 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:14.880 he did, just like all the other people you know 1603 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:18.520 in that we see in close encounters who came back eventually. 1604 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:22.439 Right, it's like a fairy like they take people, then 1605 01:26:22.439 --> 01:26:24.439 bring them back, then pick up new people bring them back. 1606 01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:25.319 That's right. 1607 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:26.520 Okay, I like that. 1608 01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:30.079 Okay, so there you go. So I'm those are just 1609 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:32.000 the snippets that I saw. 1610 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:34.479 I you know, it's been interesting He's been on so 1611 01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:38.680 many different podcasts that have different formats. Yeah, it's been 1612 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:40.760 kind of nice because I listened to one where he 1613 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:45.000 talked a little bit more about technical craft. Now this 1614 01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.399 person is asking the questions that I would be asking, 1615 01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:50.079 and I'm really excited to hear that. And then of 1616 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:52.479 course the two thousand and one one was amazing because 1617 01:26:52.600 --> 01:26:54.279 you get to hear him geek out about a movie 1618 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:54.880 that he loves. 1619 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:55.680 That's right. 1620 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.399 So this is ah what a time I know. 1621 01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:03.359 Well, speaking of time, it has been about twelve hours 1622 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:07.760 since you and I watched Disclosure Day. Yes, yes, I 1623 01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:10.680 will say I went to a seven o'clock screening last 1624 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:15.039 night and that joint was packed really and that made 1625 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:15.560 me happy. 1626 01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:19.199 Yeah, I saw. I want to say the Thursday night 1627 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:22.199 box office was around twelve million I saw, which is 1628 01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:22.960 really good. 1629 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:29.680 Yeah that is good. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, well do 1630 01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:32.239 you do you want to get the ball rolling? Oh? Man? 1631 01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:38.520 Yes, okay. So I am thankful we had a lot 1632 01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:44.279 of time to process. Yeah, because much like when your 1633 01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:47.880 favorite band comes out with a new album, you know, 1634 01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:52.840 you know all their previous albums, they touch your soul 1635 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:55.359 in a way they remind you of moments of your life, 1636 01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:58.960 you have deep connections with them. So when this isn't 1637 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:01.399 just like a summ or movie coming out. This is 1638 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:05.760 one of my favorite artists in my lifetime presenting something 1639 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:11.680 new and just like you know you that happens with 1640 01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:13.680 a new album and you're like, Okay, great, I heard it. 1641 01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.359 I might need a couple listens to really understand how 1642 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:19.079 this fits with me or how I connect with this. 1643 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:21.319 I do feel that experience a little bit with this. 1644 01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:26.439 So this these are first impressions, and I would say 1645 01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:28.319 I was a little surprised how much I had to 1646 01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:33.520 process afterwards. This wasn't an immediate thing where I had, 1647 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:36.760 oh this these are my feelings about this movie. I 1648 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:41.479 would say, uh, I enjoyed my time with it a lot, 1649 01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:46.800 but I can't say I ever felt fully all in dude. 1650 01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:52.600 Yes, I'm just like people sometimes are like, do you 1651 01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:56.000 guys always agree and I promise, I'm like, I promise 1652 01:28:56.079 --> 01:29:00.960 we don't talk about it beforehand, but I'm just like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1653 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:04.359 Wow, okay, this is gonna I have been counting the 1654 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:06.520 minutes to this discussion so. 1655 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:09.199 Literally as I was walking out of the theater, my 1656 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:13.800 second Mikile goes, what did you think? And I said, 1657 01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:16.199 I said I liked it, and then I paused, I 1658 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:21.720 was like, I liked the swing. Yeah, And that's kind 1659 01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:23.439 of where I'm at. I'm like, there is a lot 1660 01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:26.399 in this that I really admired, and there's a lot 1661 01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:31.920 that is singularly Spielberg. I don't think the whole is 1662 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:34.680 greater than the sum of the parts. 1663 01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:41.439 One hundred percent. Wow, we have some sort of psychic 1664 01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:44.720 link between us here. We're holding that little metal piece, 1665 01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:52.159 hands clasped together, I guess, And oh my gosh, I 1666 01:29:52.159 --> 01:29:53.640 can't wait to dive into this. I can talk about 1667 01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:57.239 this for an hour, but I'll say this right off 1668 01:29:57.239 --> 01:29:59.359 the bat because I really did try, and I actually 1669 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.199 did write this down so I could say this clearly. 1670 01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:03.760 But I was trying to figure out specifically how to 1671 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:08.279 express what I was feeling and what I was wrestling 1672 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:13.359 with a little bit. So bear with me here. Thinking 1673 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:19.600 about his previous alien movies, they're never necessarily about the aliens. 1674 01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:23.119 Sure, so by way of context, we have War of 1675 01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:27.000 the World's two thousand and five, Yeah, well, nineteen eighty two, 1676 01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:31.399 and then Close Encounters seventy eight exactly, So. 1677 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:38.960 With et that movie is actually about loneliness and fear 1678 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:43.560 and friendship, and it's about two souls that needed one 1679 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:48.199 another and they make a connection and it's beautiful. And 1680 01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:51.319 I watch it forty years on and I still my 1681 01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:55.039 heart melts right and close encounters to me, I think 1682 01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:57.560 it could be about different things to different people, But 1683 01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:01.119 to me, that movie is about belief and it's something 1684 01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:05.720 that you're you specifically, are grappling with that others may 1685 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:09.479 not understand, but that thing is very real and present 1686 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:12.479 to you, and it may drive you crazy, but it's 1687 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:14.760 a belief that you can't resist and you have to 1688 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:17.840 reach out and try to touch and understand. And what 1689 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:19.680 I love about that movie is at the end, his 1690 01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:24.199 belief is rewarded in really wondrous and cathartic ways. Right 1691 01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:30.039 this movie, I think it's about the potential for the 1692 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:34.119 truth capital t and a greater perspective of the universe, 1693 01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:38.439 you know, possibly being able to unite a fractured world. 1694 01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:43.000 And I like that theme, but I don't know that 1695 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:47.319 the execution of that theme resonated with me as strongly 1696 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:50.800 as the themes in those other movies I mentioned. Yeah, 1697 01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:53.239 And I don't know if it's because I didn't quite 1698 01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:55.439 connect with the characters. I don't know if I didn't 1699 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.119 quite connect with the world the way it was depicted, 1700 01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:02.439 you know, like I'm with Roy Neary in his mania, 1701 01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:08.760 I'm with Henry Elliott in his loneliness and the kinship 1702 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.600 and everything. And I never quite was able to resonate 1703 01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:14.319 with what this movie was presenting to me to get 1704 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:18.600 me completely on board with the theme. So we'll talk 1705 01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:21.159 about in spoilers. I thought the ending was very cool, 1706 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:25.800 but it didn't land as powerfully for me as I'm 1707 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:30.520 seeing some other people say. And and it's still a 1708 01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:33.600 rip roaring yarn, but I think for me this one 1709 01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:35.880 might be more in line with something like War the. 1710 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:39.399 World's Yeah, I would put it in the in the 1711 01:32:39.439 --> 01:32:40.399 same category. 1712 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:45.640 Ash, Yeah, that less than his more emotionally impactful films. Yeah. 1713 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:50.479 And if I can draw comparison to you know, one 1714 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:53.399 of his recent films, which was positioned as kind of 1715 01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:58.439 a throwback to to his his Popcornspielberg era, you know, 1716 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:02.159 Ready one is a movie that as soon as it ended, 1717 01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:04.239 I was like, I did not like that at all. 1718 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:06.760 I did not like it on a bench, I did 1719 01:33:06.760 --> 01:33:12.079 not like just not at all. You know, it just 1720 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.279 did not work for me. And that's fine. I know 1721 01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:16.199 people listening who liked him, that's great. It's just for 1722 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.159 me personally, and it felt like he wasn't into it. 1723 01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:23.479 That was my I felt his disinterest in the material. 1724 01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:25.760 You know what, that almost feels like just real fastle's scuse. 1725 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:27.760 I don't want hijack you, but it feels like what 1726 01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:32.680 Zamechis does where he's almost more interested in the technology 1727 01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:35.640 than the craft of it, the craft than the story. 1728 01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:38.600 And that's where Zamechis is gonna drift. And that feels 1729 01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:40.159 like that was his little dabbling in that. 1730 01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.079 I agree with that. Yeah, And so you know, anyway, 1731 01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:46.159 all that is to say, that's not a movie I 1732 01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:49.680 felt compelled to to revisit for just the reason. This one. 1733 01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:54.960 I never doubted how how connected to the material Spielberg was. Yeah, 1734 01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:01.199 and I I appreciated that aspect of it. I could, 1735 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:04.640 I could feel his warmth for what was being said. 1736 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:09.479 I think the film let me actually, let me start 1737 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:12.159 by saying what what I what I did like quite 1738 01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:15.640 a bit. I think I think this was a fantastic 1739 01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:19.520 performance by Emily Blunt. Oh yeah, probably one of her 1740 01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:22.399 best and honestly I think the entire top line cast. 1741 01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:26.159 I thought Josh O'Connor was great. Coleman Domingo is having 1742 01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:29.319 quite the moment. He's fantastic in this, like everybody's you know, 1743 01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:34.520 Colin further, like Eve Houston. I thought it was fantastic yep, right, 1744 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:37.359 So so I liked all of them. I I do 1745 01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:41.319 feel like this and this is not a spoiler, because 1746 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:43.159 I mean it's in all the trailers that I mean, 1747 01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.159 it's it's a story about aliens. I mean literally the 1748 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.560 last trailer, like two weeks ago, is just Spielberg talking 1749 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:50.960 to the camera like, so what if aliens were real? 1750 01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:53.479 You know, like right, right, right. So I don't feel 1751 01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:57.439 like I'm spoiling anything, but I do feel that to 1752 01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:02.119 a large extent, the story terrain that this movie exists 1753 01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:06.479 in no longer feels new, right, because we're living in 1754 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:11.359 a post X Files and posts like all these things world. 1755 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:13.159 Right, Yeah, so. 1756 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:17.600 It it feels a little familiar. 1757 01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:22.760 Yeah, not as novel as you would expect from him, yes, right. 1758 01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:28.840 And then and then related, but almost contradictory. I feel 1759 01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:35.399 like it's it's assuming a knowledge of the inner workings 1760 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:40.520 of this world. Yes, yes, that I feel like it 1761 01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:43.039 was like, bro, I think you got to feel some 1762 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:44.520 of this in a little bit. 1763 01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:49.199 I totally agree, because there's you get glimpses of what's 1764 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:52.920 happening in that world in the movie, but it's you know, 1765 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:54.640 talking heads on the news, and I was like, wait, wait, wait, 1766 01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:57.319 I didn't catch that. What like, yeah, right, and I 1767 01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:00.479 got the gist, right, but uh, yeah, I agree, it's 1768 01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:01.680 a pretty important component. 1769 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:04.920 Yeah, And I think just to pick up on what 1770 01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:10.119 you were saying, I think that in order for the 1771 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:17.359 third act to land more effectively, I think we needed 1772 01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:21.760 a greater sense of sort of the world, like what 1773 01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:26.520 was happening in the world. And this is this is 1774 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:30.479 me trying very hard to talk around spoilers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1775 01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:32.479 I feel like, let me let me just say, for 1776 01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:35.399 anybody listening and you want you want to get my 1777 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:37.600 non spoiler thoughts there, it is there's a lot to 1778 01:36:37.640 --> 01:36:41.239 admire and if you like Spielberg, if you have enjoyed 1779 01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:44.199 his work, then then this is this is not an 1780 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:48.520 insubstantial entry in his catalog. But it's not a movie 1781 01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:50.800 I can wholeheartedly recommend, and I don't know that it's 1782 01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:54.800 a movie I'm gonna end up rewatching a ton I 1783 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:55.600 it used to come. 1784 01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:59.399 Yes, I definitely. Well, I know for a fact that 1785 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:00.760 you and I are going to be seeing it again. 1786 01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:01.960 Yes, that's right. 1787 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:07.399 But I'm looking forward to that because, like I said, 1788 01:37:07.479 --> 01:37:10.640 I mean, it is important to note, speaking for myself, 1789 01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:15.159 just how much anticipation I have for this man's work. 1790 01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:18.560 I am now happy that I know what it is 1791 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:20.399 and if experienced it, and I do feel like this 1792 01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:24.439 is I am giving a valid take on my feelings 1793 01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:26.680 on it right now, but I am very curious watching 1794 01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:28.800 it a second time if it will play a little 1795 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:34.600 smoother for me or something, or possibly the flaws stick 1796 01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:38.399 out more that's possible. Yeah, and I guess too. I mean, 1797 01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:40.720 I'm really looking forward to diving into this because there's 1798 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:44.880 a lot that I liked also, but yeah, I wanted 1799 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:48.119 to at least set the tone for what I walked 1800 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:48.520 out with. 1801 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:52.039 Yeah, and one thing I'll say is, you know, my 1802 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:56.640 man knows how to execute on action sequences, like he 1803 01:37:56.760 --> 01:37:58.800 still got it. You know what. There is a scene 1804 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:04.000 involving a car and a train, I'll say, yep, where 1805 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:06.720 I'm just like, I'm just like leaning back taking it in. 1806 01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:07.920 Uh huh. 1807 01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:09.640 I'm like my man, I know. 1808 01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:13.880 Actually there, Well there's two things there. We'll get into 1809 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:15.399 spoilers about one of them, but there was there's a 1810 01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:18.800 set piece in here when I went there, you are there, 1811 01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:22.960 you are it is. It is action, It is wondrous. 1812 01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:28.880 It is something I've never seen before. It's delightful. And 1813 01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:32.239 I was like, wow, okay, we did. That was the 1814 01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:33.680 thing that I felt like I got from him that 1815 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:35.119 was new that I was like, oh, I love it. 1816 01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:37.920 I love it only from you, only from you. And 1817 01:38:37.960 --> 01:38:39.560 the thing that I can say that isn't a spoiler. 1818 01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:42.520 I mean this is clear in the trailers that Colin 1819 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:46.479 Firth is the antagonist. And in the opening scene when 1820 01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:50.039 he's introduced this, the camera is spinning around an suv 1821 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.159 slowly kind of revealing all these you know, henchmen kind 1822 01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:55.920 of taking position or whatever. And then someone opens a 1823 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:59.680 door and the camera pushes in on the door and 1824 01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:05.119 so the window frame frames Colin Firth as a light 1825 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:08.920 is shining down the top of his head and it's like, ah, 1826 01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:11.920 I was like, yes, like I'm sitting down for fill 1827 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:16.279 a you know, like I just nobody does that stuff. 1828 01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:23.079 And so the the technical stuff is fully here and 1829 01:39:23.239 --> 01:39:24.800 just so delicious. 1830 01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:28.079 Absolutely And one other thing I'd like to say is 1831 01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:30.319 as the movie ends, and you know, the credits come up, 1832 01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:32.319 and I'm just sort of sitting and just like watching 1833 01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:34.399 the credits, letting it come in and letting this great 1834 01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:36.119 score wash over me. And then you know, it says 1835 01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:38.199 music by John Williams, And there's that part of me 1836 01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:42.079 where I'm like, is this the last Steven Spielberg film 1837 01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:44.159 with music by John Williams? You know, you can't help 1838 01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:45.039 but have that thought. 1839 01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:48.800 I did, and I people got up and left and 1840 01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:51.000 I did not move until the lights came up. 1841 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.039 I mean, it's it's it's it's John Williams. You know, yep. 1842 01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:56.920 I was like, I what else can you say? 1843 01:39:57.199 --> 01:40:02.680 Yep, yep. You spoilers, Yeah, I mean that's there's really 1844 01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:03.680 not much else we can say. 1845 01:40:04.119 --> 01:40:17.199 Yeah, let's do it. Spoiler all right, go for it. 1846 01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:24.520 You know what I really loved. I loved Emily Blunt's character. 1847 01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:25.439 Yeah. 1848 01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:30.479 I loved her being this weather girl and her kind 1849 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:34.600 of okay relationship with her boyfriend. And then when she 1850 01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:37.920 suddenly starts speaking other languages, I thought that was really fun. 1851 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:40.039 And then she also has this you know, sort of 1852 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:46.399 psychic impath ability and we've seen things sort of like that, 1853 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.600 but the way that they employ that in this movie 1854 01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:53.880 and the way that she portrays it was just that 1855 01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:59.720 was magical. And specifically when they are, you know, surrounded 1856 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:01.960 by the bad guys and then she appears to Firth 1857 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:06.840 as his wife. Yeah, like, what a an amazing thing 1858 01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:12.600 and it was captured so magically. And then everyone sees, 1859 01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:15.800 you know, like a mentor figure or a son or 1860 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.159 a you know, or daughter I think it is, you know, 1861 01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:21.279 and and that's how they're able to escape from the warehouse. 1862 01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:23.680 And I was like, wow, so that part by this 1863 01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:25.319 is just how my brain works. But you know, yeah, 1864 01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:28.880 we're seeing she's like, it's like he sees this. One 1865 01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:30.960 guy sees an old man, he's like, I always loved you, 1866 01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:33.239 like a son. And that's one lady. She sees a 1867 01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:35.119 little Girl's like, oh, we're gonna go play it right. 1868 01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.680 And I just thought it'd be funny if one, like 1869 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:43.359 one person just sees a clown who's just like Bongo 1870 01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:46.079 forgives you and we just move it like there's like 1871 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:50.960 no explanation, We have no idea what that means. This 1872 01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:51.960 is how my brain works. 1873 01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:57.800 That is hilarious, dude. 1874 01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:57.600 But I and then at the very end, when we 1875 01:41:57.640 --> 01:41:59.720 have the montage of all the people who are watching, 1876 01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:02.239 we see Bongo the clown, and we're like, huh. 1877 01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:03.359 Yes, oh there he is. 1878 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:07.680 Yeah, anyway, sorry, go on. I just I had that 1879 01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:09.079 thought in my head. I was like, I need to 1880 01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:11.159 mention this because I I forget dude. I'm glad. 1881 01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:13.000 You know. I remember thinking of a joke too during 1882 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:15.239 the movie, and I didn't I didn't write it down, 1883 01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:16.680 And now I'm like, ah, I wish I could share 1884 01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:24.359 with zech. But I thought she there was an amazing performance. Yea, 1885 01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:27.359 and she she plays all that so well. That moment 1886 01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:29.159 where she's it's you know, we've seen it over and 1887 01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:31.600 over in the trailer where she's sort of possessed a 1888 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:36.359 little bit and speaking that clicking language. I was wondering 1889 01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:37.600 how that would play because I've seen it like a 1890 01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:41.960 hundred times. But it's great, Like it's very still uncomfortable, 1891 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:46.319 and she plays it so well, like someone who is 1892 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:51.920 really confused and concerned about everything that's happening, but able 1893 01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:54.800 to have genuine connections with people. 1894 01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:56.239 Yeah. 1895 01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:02.199 Yeah, I thought she was probably the strongest part of 1896 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:02.720 the movie. 1897 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:04.359 She I mean, she was good. I thought I thought 1898 01:43:04.439 --> 01:43:06.560 Josh O'Connor was very solid. 1899 01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:07.479 He's very good. 1900 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:14.520 Yeah, yeah, I think that. Obviously, you put Colin Firth 1901 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:19.119 and Coleman Domingo in a movie, you're gonna get great performances, right, 1902 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:22.640 And they have I think one scene together, which is fantastic, 1903 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:25.239 and I'm like, sitting there, I'm just like, man, I 1904 01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:26.960 just love watching these two guys play off each other. 1905 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:27.159 You know. 1906 01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:31.199 I think the problem is they are positioned as sort 1907 01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:40.199 of the moral opponents, but truly I don't know where 1908 01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:44.880 either of them is coming from. Yeah, yeah, right, And 1909 01:43:44.920 --> 01:43:49.000 that feels like a big problem because because I'm fine 1910 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:54.520 with leaving things unset and not diving just whole hog 1911 01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:57.159 into a whole bunch of backstory, but I feel like 1912 01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:00.960 I feel like you needed something I don't know what, 1913 01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:05.760 maybe maybe like a like a scene before the credits 1914 01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:08.840 where it's the two of them together as co as colleagues, 1915 01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:12.600 just to contrast with what comes later, right, Because the 1916 01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:15.279 movie drops us right into the story and that's fine, 1917 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:18.199 and it expects us to catch on and that's fine. 1918 01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:20.159 I'm fine with all of that, but I do feel 1919 01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:23.560 like there's certain pieces that are necessary to make the 1920 01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:24.840 ending hit. 1921 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:27.920 Agreed, And to your point, even if it's just shorthand, 1922 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:29.560 I mean, it makes me think of the true Fox 1923 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:31.640 character in Close Encounters. 1924 01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:33.359 Right, Yeah, that's a perfect example. 1925 01:44:33.439 --> 01:44:35.319 Yeah right, because we don't I don't know who that 1926 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:41.239 guy is, but I understand him completely, you know, and 1927 01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:43.239 you know, even down to his line at the end 1928 01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:51.880 where he's like, I envy you to NEARI yeah. So yeah, 1929 01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:54.199 and you know, I had similar feelings. I thought Josh 1930 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:57.039 O'Connor did great with what he was doing and playing 1931 01:44:57.079 --> 01:44:59.359 the type of guy he was playing, but I'm not 1932 01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:02.319 even sure I under stood his character entirely, and I 1933 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:05.760 didn't feel a lot of chemistry between him and his girlfriend, 1934 01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:10.159 which is typically that human element is something you expect 1935 01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:13.600 a little bit more from Spielberg, you know. 1936 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:17.359 And so, well, what's funny is I was I agree 1937 01:45:17.399 --> 01:45:19.600 with what you said about the chemistry, but in my head, 1938 01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:23.640 I was like, well, he's gonna end up with Emily Blunt. 1939 01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:26.079 That's what I was thinking too, right, So that's why 1940 01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:27.920 I was sort of like fine with that. But then 1941 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:31.520 you realize that, oh, Jane is like she she does 1942 01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:35.520 not pull a Wyatt Russell, Yes, right right, she does not. Nope, 1943 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:37.399 out and so I was like, oh, okay. 1944 01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:44.000 Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean, not bad sketches ideas 1945 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.079 for these characters, but I don't know that they felt 1946 01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:48.880 as rounded out as I would have liked if I 1947 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:50.000 you know, I think. 1948 01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:53.119 Maybe part of the problem is there's just too many characters. 1949 01:45:54.439 --> 01:46:00.680 Like I feel like, I feel like Eve Huston's arc, 1950 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:06.119 which is, you know, how does a person of faith 1951 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:11.880 reconcile their faith with knowing this new thing? Right, I'm like, 1952 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:16.039 that's a movie all by itself, totally right. So I'm like, 1953 01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:21.079 you know, could you have given her business to another character, 1954 01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:24.920 to you know, to Josh or to Emily Blunt? And 1955 01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:29.600 you know, like it feels like too many, too many 1956 01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:33.880 things are happening happening because like you've got so many 1957 01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:36.319 characters you're sort of moving him through the pieces, Like 1958 01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:38.319 you literally have characters who are like I have to 1959 01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:40.319 go here. Why I don't know, I just I have 1960 01:46:40.399 --> 01:46:43.079 to go here. And I'm like, well, that's a problem, 1961 01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:49.079 because like, I think that only gets you so far, right, 1962 01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:52.920 because I don't know how many times throughout the film 1963 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:56.600 we hear some version of like, you know, what's going 1964 01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:59.760 to happen is going to change everything or whatever. Right, 1965 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.600 that's the thing that's sort of pushing us along. Right, 1966 01:47:03.479 --> 01:47:06.439 And just to be clear, I don't mind how it 1967 01:47:06.640 --> 01:47:08.880 ended in terms of where it ends things. I feel 1968 01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:11.000 like that was probably the only way to end it. 1969 01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:18.600 But I think that we need we need a greater 1970 01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:23.279 focus on what this world is and therefore what this 1971 01:47:23.399 --> 01:47:32.119 change represents. And without part A, we don't really get 1972 01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:36.640 Part B, and so it doesn't land as effectively as 1973 01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:36.920 it might. 1974 01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:40.880 Yeah, because I mean the implication is it reminds me 1975 01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:44.960 a little bit of Watchmen, right where you drop a 1976 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:48.520 giant squid alien on New York. Maybe the world will 1977 01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:51.279 forget about its problems with one another and we can focus. 1978 01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:55.079 We can become united. That's right in something else, something 1979 01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:58.359 discovering something bigger than not killing each other. Yeah, And 1980 01:47:58.520 --> 01:47:59.960 so I think, you know, it's kind of a similar 1981 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.600 idea here where I think, instead of you know, us 1982 01:48:04.760 --> 01:48:07.319 thinking we're meeting an enemy, it's more like, Wow, the 1983 01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:11.079 world is bigger than we understand. Maybe our problems aren't 1984 01:48:11.199 --> 01:48:14.079 so big, and you know, this greater perspective will help us. 1985 01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:18.039 Right, So, just to you know, contextually, the film is 1986 01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:21.000 like we're on the verge of world War three, the 1987 01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:25.319 end is nigh, and so that is the ticking clock 1988 01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:33.239 that the film is operating within. But I it feels 1989 01:48:33.359 --> 01:48:40.239 like the it feels like the disclosures of Disclosure Day 1990 01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:43.760 are not directly tied to the World War three part. 1991 01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:46.520 Does that make sense? Yeah? 1992 01:48:46.600 --> 01:48:48.479 Oh no, completely? Yeah right? 1993 01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:53.079 And I think that's what would have made it work 1994 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:55.680 better for me. It would have added a level of 1995 01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:59.880 tension above and beyond. Our characters are trying to get 1996 01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:05.600 away from these bad guys, you know, and and and 1997 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:11.520 I think for me that would have allowed me to 1998 01:49:11.560 --> 01:49:15.359 squint past some of the sort of logic problems I 1999 01:49:15.399 --> 01:49:18.960 had a little more Like I I I I think 2000 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:25.560 that uh hm when when you say, oh, this group, 2001 01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:29.640 I forget what the organization, you know, Hydra whatever, I 2002 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:33.479 think Colin Fertz group. It's like, oh, we're we're like 2003 01:49:34.479 --> 01:49:38.960 above presidential level right right? And I'm like, okay, I 2004 01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:40.920 get that. And that feels very hand to wav. But 2005 01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:44.520 just on like a logistical level, Make that make sense 2006 01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:44.800 to me? 2007 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:46.000 Sure? Sure? 2008 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:48.359 Like where do they get all the resources to do this? 2009 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:48.680 Where? 2010 01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:52.640 You know, if you can dispatch a battalion to freaking 2011 01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:57.920 Kansas City, right, Like, how does that work, you know, 2012 01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:03.239 and so so oh and this is the other thing. 2013 01:50:03.239 --> 01:50:06.520 Sorry I'm jumping around, but this is important. The climax 2014 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:10.439 of the movie feels like it was made by somebody 2015 01:50:11.319 --> 01:50:15.560 who grew up in the fifties and sixties and seventies 2016 01:50:16.359 --> 01:50:22.159 and still views linear media as like the arbiter of 2017 01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:25.439 social change, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, because 2018 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:29.720 to me, I'm like, I'm like, hey, I'm a fan 2019 01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:33.079 of the news media. If but if we actually of journalism, 2020 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:35.920 I not news media, of journalism, but if we believe 2021 01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:40.960 that the way this climax is staged could have this 2022 01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:44.119 kind of social impact, I think that's that sort of 2023 01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:45.720 blissfully naive. 2024 01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:50.439 Yes, I agree completely because and just every other news 2025 01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:53.680 affiliate is just like, whoa, We've got to run this. Yeah, 2026 01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:56.680 and I would be like what is this? You know, 2027 01:50:56.760 --> 01:51:01.600 like I would immediately be questioning its authenticity. And also 2028 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:04.600 this is a little different, but you know, it ends 2029 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:06.840 as everyone is seeing this for the first time. That's 2030 01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:09.920 the ending, and the cynic in me thinks the world 2031 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:12.880 is a little bit more like Springfield, you know from 2032 01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:15.680 the Simpsons, where immediately they'd be like, wow, look at 2033 01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:20.680 that thing. Kill it, right, you know like that's probably 2034 01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:26.560 da sadly, you know, or or more realistically, nobody would 2035 01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:29.600 believe what they're seeing. And part of me this is 2036 01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:33.319 again I hate this, but seeing the footage, which I 2037 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:35.880 wish had made the hairs stand on the back of 2038 01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:39.439 my head, and you know, I was like, I mean, 2039 01:51:39.600 --> 01:51:42.399 it does look like visual effects from a movie. 2040 01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:43.720 You know what I mean. So if I saw that 2041 01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:47.840 on the news, it looks like alien autopsy. 2042 01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:51.560 Right right, and some of the ships coming out of 2043 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:54.920 you know, storm cloud looking thing. I just even my 2044 01:51:54.960 --> 01:51:57.039 eyes weren't buying it in the movie. So like, if 2045 01:51:57.079 --> 01:51:58.640 I saw that in the news, I don't know that 2046 01:51:58.680 --> 01:51:59.119 I would. 2047 01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:02.359 Have bought it. I mean, they they literally have characters 2048 01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:05.159 in the control room saying like this is this AI, right, 2049 01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:07.119 And that's sort of like their way of just acknowledging 2050 01:52:07.159 --> 01:52:08.279 that that's the world we live in. 2051 01:52:08.399 --> 01:52:12.479 Yeah, and someone runs a check right with pixels, Yes, 2052 01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:13.840 that's right. Yeah. 2053 01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:18.319 And so I think that that that climax was clearly 2054 01:52:18.439 --> 01:52:21.159 meant to hit in a different way and and I 2055 01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:23.640 just don't think it does because of the world we 2056 01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:28.359 live in. M And on one level that makes me sad, yeah, 2057 01:52:28.439 --> 01:52:31.399 because right, because it's very much Spielberg wearing his heart 2058 01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:33.800 on his sleeve, and this idea that no, if aliens arrived, 2059 01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:36.560 everything would change, and I'm sure it would. I don't 2060 01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:38.600 I don't doubt that. And by the way, I want 2061 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:43.880 to mention Courtney Grace, the actress who plays the newscast 2062 01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:48.399 Oh yes, yes, watching the footage go out, like sure, 2063 01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:51.399 what this is like a starmaking role for her. 2064 01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:54.760 I was thinking that as it was happening, like, is 2065 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:57.680 this person like she just got maybe the most crucial 2066 01:52:57.800 --> 01:53:00.359 part in this movie and she's nail it. 2067 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:02.399 She was terrific. 2068 01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:02.760 Ry. 2069 01:53:05.439 --> 01:53:08.720 I think that this notion though that, oh, we got 2070 01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:11.960 to get to the TV station before this goes out. 2071 01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:14.560 We got to cut the backup generator. I mean, I'm like, 2072 01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:17.640 this is a great nineteen ninety seven story. 2073 01:53:17.720 --> 01:53:18.960 Yeah, that's so true. 2074 01:53:19.159 --> 01:53:21.680 Yep, that was my thought. I'm like, we don't live 2075 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:22.920 in that world anymore. 2076 01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:23.720 Yeah. 2077 01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:32.479 And and other than alien ships landing on every single 2078 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:34.920 front door of every single person, I don't know what 2079 01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:35.720 people would believe. 2080 01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:37.680 That's the other that's I know, I know that's what 2081 01:53:37.720 --> 01:53:40.800 I mean, right, Like, I mean, recently, in real life 2082 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:43.520 history things have been sort of documents have been an 2083 01:53:43.920 --> 01:53:47.840 or opened and video shown, and I've like ignored all 2084 01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:48.119 of it. 2085 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:50.119 Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 2086 01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:55.520 Well, it's just real quick. I wanted to specify when 2087 01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:57.680 I said that the newscaster had the most important role. 2088 01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:01.119 It's because she's the person we're watching having the reaction 2089 01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:02.560 to the footage. 2090 01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:02.920 In real time. 2091 01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:04.800 In real time, I mean, we can see people watching 2092 01:54:04.840 --> 01:54:09.880 on their phones on buses and baggage pickups at airports, 2093 01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:12.399 but like she is reacting in real time, and so 2094 01:54:12.520 --> 01:54:17.520 we're following her and experiencing all this through her and 2095 01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:20.880 believing it through her. And I thought she did a 2096 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:25.800 really wonderful job of being confused and then surprised and 2097 01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:29.039 then emotionally moved and then trying to keep her composure 2098 01:54:29.079 --> 01:54:31.920 because she realizes she's on camera as a guide. I 2099 01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:34.800 just she nailed all of that, that journey. 2100 01:54:35.800 --> 01:54:39.920 That all I was. I really liked again this notion 2101 01:54:40.159 --> 01:54:43.079 that everyone everywhere is staring at their device, people are 2102 01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:51.680 on the airplanes. What I I just I want I 2103 01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:56.319 want to acknowledge Spielberg's spirit of optimism and say I 2104 01:54:56.720 --> 01:54:59.840 love it. Yeah, I love you for feeling that way, 2105 01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:05.920 mister Spielberg, sir. It just it doesn't register as real 2106 01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:11.079 for me. Yeah, I mean I almost wonder if like 2107 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:17.279 you do like a like I'm and see if you 2108 01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:21.039 follow me on this, like as like a montage of 2109 01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:26.159 the aftermath, like like quick shots of what the aftermath 2110 01:55:26.239 --> 01:55:30.079 of this looks like without fully revealing the scope of it. 2111 01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:33.800 And then we come back to Emily Blunt saying listen, 2112 01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:37.000 m just to sort of give us a sense of like, 2113 01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:39.760 this is what happened next without without just fully revealing it. 2114 01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:40.560 Does that make sense? 2115 01:55:41.399 --> 01:55:43.000 Yeah, I mean I can see it both ways, Like 2116 01:55:43.039 --> 01:55:46.560 there's cutting it off before we can see any of 2117 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:51.000 the aftermath. I guess gives us something to chew on. Yeah, right, 2118 01:55:51.720 --> 01:55:55.439 but there would it would be nice. It feels a 2119 01:55:55.520 --> 01:56:00.119 little not incomplete, but I am eager to see just 2120 01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:01.399 like a second after, I guess. 2121 01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:04.920 Yeah, Well it's funny because because you know, we they 2122 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:09.199 wheel out senior citizen Et as I call him. Yes, 2123 01:56:09.439 --> 01:56:10.720 he's back and he's pissed. 2124 01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:14.239 Was there a split second where you wondered if it 2125 01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:15.039 might be et. 2126 01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:20.520 Hundred percent? Yeah? Yeah, anyway, okay, got so yeah, uh yeah, 2127 01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:24.079 when you just see the silhouette, right, yeah, but but 2128 01:56:24.239 --> 01:56:26.840 like he like whispers in Josh O'Connor's ear, and I 2129 01:56:26.920 --> 01:56:29.159 was like, hmm. And then I looked at my watch 2130 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:31.359 and I was like, oh, we're not going to hear 2131 01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:35.000 anything he says. Yeah. So literally, I was already as 2132 01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:38.119 soon as we go to Emily Blunt, I was like, 2133 01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:39.880 it's gonna she's gonna like open her mouth and it's 2134 01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:40.640 gonna go to credits. 2135 01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:43.520 Oh. I was not far off, I know. 2136 01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:46.520 I was like, okay, So I was not like disappointed 2137 01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:48.880 in that way, huh. And I was thinking about it, 2138 01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:51.680 I was like, that's almost the only way you can 2139 01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:54.199 end it, because like, what can you what can possibly 2140 01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:55.439 live up to the build up? 2141 01:56:55.560 --> 01:56:56.479 I completely agree. 2142 01:56:56.640 --> 01:56:59.560 Yeah, right, so so I because and I was talking 2143 01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:01.600 about this kids last night, I was like, I just 2144 01:57:01.640 --> 01:57:03.640 don't think there was any other way they could end it. Yeah, 2145 01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:07.079 So I don't have a problem with that. I just 2146 01:57:07.319 --> 01:57:10.720 feel like what they give us could have hit harder 2147 01:57:11.560 --> 01:57:17.840 with a little bit more plot, plot and emotional runway. 2148 01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:23.560 I agree, Yeah, I agree. And at the same time, 2149 01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:27.680 it's it's, uh, it's fun, you know what I mean, 2150 01:57:27.760 --> 01:57:33.479 Like it's it's fun. I just he's taken us on 2151 01:57:33.760 --> 01:57:40.159 such potent, powerful, resonant, unforgettable journeys before and seeing him 2152 01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:42.920 back in his wheelhouse, like you were saying, right, with 2153 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:45.439 these alien stories and the things he likes to tell, 2154 01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:49.720 the things he likes to express or convey through alien stories. 2155 01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:53.600 I was just a little surprised that when it ended 2156 01:57:53.640 --> 01:57:58.239 as like, oh, like I didn't quite get onto the 2157 01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:01.760 ride I was hoping to, right, and for the reasons 2158 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:04.880 I think you just said, like just not quite connecting 2159 01:58:05.399 --> 01:58:10.279 with the world, the steaks, and just not quite feeling 2160 01:58:10.359 --> 01:58:12.159 the impact. I think the ending wanted me to have. 2161 01:58:13.600 --> 01:58:17.640 Yeah, well, a couple couple questions I had you already 2162 01:58:17.720 --> 01:58:22.479 mentioned about about Danny and how how he got caught 2163 01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:25.039 up in all this, like what his connection is to Hugo, 2164 01:58:26.199 --> 01:58:33.359 the Coleman Domingo character. I was thinking about Margaret and 2165 01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:37.399 how she gets sort of activated, right, and it's because 2166 01:58:37.439 --> 01:58:40.680 that cardinal flies in the window. Yeah, And I'm like, 2167 01:58:42.840 --> 01:58:44.399 was that like an alien thing? 2168 01:58:45.079 --> 01:58:48.239 I think so, right, because the aliens disguise themselves as 2169 01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:53.119 animals so they won't alarm us. Okay, so that cardinal 2170 01:58:53.399 --> 01:58:59.760 was an alien, that's my understanding. Okay, So, and that's fine, 2171 01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:03.800 but the whole thing hinges around, Oh, she and he 2172 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:06.960 are like the it was always them. They were meant 2173 01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:10.399 to communicate with the aliens or whatever. I'm just like, well, 2174 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:15.600 why them? Yeah, that's a good question, because they're imbued 2175 01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:19.680 with abilities that would make them good go betweens for 2176 01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:23.239 humans and aliens. But was there something specific about them? 2177 01:59:23.960 --> 01:59:26.720 Yeah, because we see the process when they're children. 2178 01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:30.319 See, that would be nice to know. Yeah, that Danny, 2179 01:59:30.520 --> 01:59:32.760 you know, for when he's a little boy, he had 2180 01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:34.680 like a bigger heart. You know, maybe he was kind 2181 01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:36.479 of a sensitive kid and he's very empathetic as a 2182 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:37.920 child or so, you know what I mean. Well, actually 2183 01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:39.640 he was the math one. Maybe that'd be more Margaret, 2184 01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:42.079 but no, that's yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying, 2185 01:59:42.159 --> 01:59:45.640 right Like the I would like this their characters colored 2186 01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:46.840 in just a little bit more. 2187 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:51.239 Yeah, Well, cause you know, Margaret talks about her fear 2188 01:59:51.279 --> 01:59:54.920 of having Parkinson's because that's what her dad had, and 2189 01:59:55.079 --> 01:59:58.640 I sort of expected that to be more of like 2190 01:59:58.760 --> 02:00:02.199 a thing like we'll we'll get this reveal of her 2191 02:00:02.279 --> 02:00:07.119 childhood and that'll reveal that fear and how that ties 2192 02:00:07.159 --> 02:00:09.920 in with the aliens, And unless I missed it, there 2193 02:00:09.960 --> 02:00:10.600 was nothing like that. 2194 02:00:10.960 --> 02:00:11.159 Yeah. 2195 02:00:11.560 --> 02:00:13.560 Yeah, but it's like she's lying in her bed, the 2196 02:00:13.600 --> 02:00:16.239 aliens come in her room and they're like follow us basically, 2197 02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:22.560 and I'm just like, well, why her, right, because because 2198 02:00:22.600 --> 02:00:24.880 I'm like, well she alludes to like, oh I ran 2199 02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:28.319 away because I was scared of my dad's shaking or something. 2200 02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:30.880 I'm like, well, maybe like the aliens found her then, 2201 02:00:31.039 --> 02:00:35.439 like she was like they rescued her. I'm not saying 2202 02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:39.760 you needed to do that, but I'm just like, if 2203 02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:44.520 you're situating Margaret as like she is, she has these 2204 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:51.800 extraordinary gifts, right, She's like a new deity, right, why 2205 02:00:52.000 --> 02:00:52.439 why her? 2206 02:00:54.159 --> 02:00:57.079 Yeah? Yeah, I actually liked that moment too, by the 2207 02:00:57.119 --> 02:01:01.279 way where she showcases her and that woman just starts 2208 02:01:01.319 --> 02:01:04.159 praying to talk. She's like no, no, no, no, no, yeah, 2209 02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:05.640 like I'm not a religion you know. 2210 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:09.279 That's really interesting And actually I agree the sequence that 2211 02:01:09.439 --> 02:01:12.960 follows where she uses that you know, artifact to like 2212 02:01:13.520 --> 02:01:17.279 keep Colin Firth's team from from seeing them, that was awesome. 2213 02:01:17.600 --> 02:01:19.479 That was the set piece I was talking about in 2214 02:01:19.680 --> 02:01:22.239 the non spoiler section where I was like, ah, this 2215 02:01:22.479 --> 02:01:27.399 is something wholly original captured in such a fun and 2216 02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:30.560 dazzling way where you see them. I was like, actually, 2217 02:01:30.600 --> 02:01:33.000 think wondering when they're the swat or whatever they are, 2218 02:01:33.039 --> 02:01:34.560 we're approaching the house, I'm like, are they just going 2219 02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:37.079 to like bump into it? And then they proceed to 2220 02:01:37.279 --> 02:01:38.720 for like the next two or three minutes in the 2221 02:01:39.960 --> 02:01:42.479 most fun, you know sorts of ways. 2222 02:01:43.159 --> 02:01:50.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel I just feel like, on 2223 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:54.840 the on the script level, this one fell apart from me, 2224 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:56.960 not on not on the craft level, not on the 2225 02:01:57.600 --> 02:02:01.520 not on the the film construction level, but just at 2226 02:02:01.560 --> 02:02:05.000 a basic story and script level, it didn't. It didn't 2227 02:02:05.039 --> 02:02:06.000 work the way I would have liked. 2228 02:02:07.279 --> 02:02:11.840 Yeah. Same, And it's interesting too because this story it 2229 02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:14.119 didn't occur to me till this morning. But this story 2230 02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:20.159 is Spielberg's first draft of Close Encounters. When he and 2231 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:22.079 I mean literally like when he was coming up with 2232 02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:24.359 the story for Close Encounters, the first story was someone 2233 02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:29.000 who worked for Project Blue Book taking the secrets and 2234 02:02:29.279 --> 02:02:30.279 people pursuing him. 2235 02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:31.520 That's fascinating. 2236 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:33.439 So in a way, he's had this story in his 2237 02:02:33.600 --> 02:02:38.159 head for fifty years or so, and it kind of 2238 02:02:38.199 --> 02:02:40.000 makes sense. Now he's a little older and he's like, 2239 02:02:40.199 --> 02:02:43.279 I still just really need to get this out, and 2240 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:46.319 maybe he did, Maybe he got all his ideas out, 2241 02:02:47.720 --> 02:02:48.279 But I'm not. 2242 02:02:48.520 --> 02:02:49.399 So sure that. 2243 02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:52.319 I don't know the heart and the soul of it 2244 02:02:53.199 --> 02:02:55.880 completely rounded out as well as I know he's capable of. 2245 02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:01.520 You know that said, I do think as like a 2246 02:03:01.640 --> 02:03:08.680 fifty years later bookend to Close Encounters, it's worth examination 2247 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:13.039 in that sense too. Oh yeah, sure, right, Like like 2248 02:03:13.479 --> 02:03:18.039 that's the other thing is like this movie is not 2249 02:03:18.199 --> 02:03:21.039 going to be viewed wholly on its own. It's going 2250 02:03:21.119 --> 02:03:23.159 to be viewed as part of the Spielberg catalog. It's 2251 02:03:23.159 --> 02:03:26.680 going to be viewed in contrast with his other alien films, 2252 02:03:26.760 --> 02:03:31.079 and so I think it'll always be worthy of discussion 2253 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:36.359 in that way. M hm. But I think that on 2254 02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:40.840 its own it it could have held together a little 2255 02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:41.279 better for me. 2256 02:03:41.560 --> 02:03:43.520 You know, you talking about it as a bookend to 2257 02:03:43.520 --> 02:03:45.800 Close Encounters. I would have loved if in the last 2258 02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:50.199 ten minutes when they wheeled out that you know, little 2259 02:03:50.399 --> 02:03:52.079 I don't know coffin sort of thing, and then the 2260 02:03:52.439 --> 02:03:54.000 character was inside. I would have loved if it was 2261 02:03:54.119 --> 02:03:58.079 Roy neary, like old Richard Dreyfus, and he's like okay, okay, 2262 02:03:58.399 --> 02:04:00.680 and he like pushes Emily Blame out of the seat, 2263 02:04:01.159 --> 02:04:04.520 Scoon over, sister. I'll take it from here. Aliens are real, 2264 02:04:04.720 --> 02:04:09.159 you know, you just get the I'm back, Hi, Terry Garr, 2265 02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:09.600 you know. 2266 02:04:10.239 --> 02:04:13.960 He He's like listen, and then corrected by Steven Spielb. Yeah, 2267 02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:16.079 I would have loved that. 2268 02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:25.399 Yeah, Yeah, it'd be funny if that's what was Spielberg's idea. 2269 02:04:25.439 --> 02:04:30.880 And David Kep was like, ah, David Kep, it's like 2270 02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.039 the Laser Cats sketches on SNL. 2271 02:04:33.640 --> 02:04:42.119 Yes, get out, let's work shot this a bit, but yeah, 2272 02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:45.800 but there is still a lot to enjoy, right, I mean, 2273 02:04:46.520 --> 02:04:48.880 as you said, I mean the craft is incredible and 2274 02:04:48.960 --> 02:04:51.319 it pulls you along. I didn't realize this movie was 2275 02:04:51.359 --> 02:04:53.119 about two and a half hours long. It did not. 2276 02:04:54.319 --> 02:04:57.039 I never felt the time I was pulled along the 2277 02:04:57.079 --> 02:05:00.840 whole way. Everything I'm talking about is when I walked out, 2278 02:05:00.880 --> 02:05:05.560 How did I feel? And I didn't quite feel, you know, 2279 02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:10.920 as connected as I wish I had to the characters 2280 02:05:10.960 --> 02:05:15.680 in the material. But I was pulled along, you know, 2281 02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:18.640 masterfully through it. And so I think that's almost why 2282 02:05:18.880 --> 02:05:20.640 it makes me a little bit more disappointed that I 2283 02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:21.479 didn't feel those things. 2284 02:05:21.520 --> 02:05:25.359 On top of it, I agree, there's one scene this 2285 02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:28.439 is where we're talking about, like you start questioning the 2286 02:05:28.479 --> 02:05:32.800 internal logic of the movie, where we see we've established 2287 02:05:32.920 --> 02:05:35.800 that Colin Firth is able to it's called diving, where 2288 02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:38.520 he's able to see the world through different characters' eyes. 2289 02:05:39.319 --> 02:05:43.239 And he's done that already with Eve Houston's character, right, 2290 02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:46.760 So Josh O'Connor he knows that that's a possibility. So 2291 02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:48.720 we see him go through their hotel room and just 2292 02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:54.119 anything that identifies the where they're at the hotel, right, 2293 02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:57.119 and then she's like, I need you to tie me 2294 02:05:57.239 --> 02:05:59.479 up because I'm a danger Okay, So she does that 2295 02:06:00.199 --> 02:06:02.680 and then in the middle of the night, she wakes up, 2296 02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:05.439 but it's it's with Colin Furt's eyes, yeah, and she 2297 02:06:06.199 --> 02:06:08.800 she glances over at Josh O'Connor who's sleeping, and he's 2298 02:06:08.800 --> 02:06:13.039 got his like notes in his hand. Yeah, and then 2299 02:06:13.079 --> 02:06:14.880 she kind of like nudges his hand and you see 2300 02:06:15.039 --> 02:06:16.600 that on top of the notes it says, you know, 2301 02:06:16.960 --> 02:06:20.239 Indiana or like the name of the hotel, and now 2302 02:06:20.319 --> 02:06:23.000 they know where they are. And so this is where 2303 02:06:23.319 --> 02:06:25.079 as I'm watching the movie, I'm like, come on, bro, 2304 02:06:25.319 --> 02:06:30.159 really right right right, like you know, like you you 2305 02:06:30.279 --> 02:06:33.159 went through the whole room, you're throwing random stuff with 2306 02:06:33.319 --> 02:06:34.119 this piece of paper. 2307 02:06:34.199 --> 02:06:36.279 It doesn't occur to you well, and it's the piece 2308 02:06:36.279 --> 02:06:39.159 of paper he stared at the longest because he wrote 2309 02:06:39.199 --> 02:06:42.359 on it, right, And and maybe it's a little thing. 2310 02:06:43.079 --> 02:06:46.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it feels very Oh, this is 2311 02:06:46.159 --> 02:06:48.520 like we got to do this to like get to 2312 02:06:49.000 --> 02:06:51.960 have the plot move, you know. Yeah, anyway, that's that's 2313 02:06:52.000 --> 02:06:55.079 in a nutshell, it's all. It's all well executed, but 2314 02:06:55.199 --> 02:06:58.760 there's these these plot construction issues that that do that 2315 02:06:58.880 --> 02:06:59.920 do niggle a little bit. 2316 02:07:00.239 --> 02:07:03.880 Yeah, you know another thing. I almost hesitate to bring 2317 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:06.359 this up because this might be too nippicky, But this 2318 02:07:06.520 --> 02:07:11.720 is the time right again. As much as I loved 2319 02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:15.880 the idea of wheeling out this elder alien and we're 2320 02:07:15.920 --> 02:07:18.039 gonna he's in a newsroom, that's so cool. This is 2321 02:07:18.279 --> 02:07:20.920 this is peak that thing I love, right, fantasy in 2322 02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:23.560 your backyard, like seeing an alien in a in a 2323 02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:26.119 you know, a Kansas City newsroom or whatever. 2324 02:07:26.399 --> 02:07:26.640 Yeah. 2325 02:07:29.239 --> 02:07:32.560 And I don't know if I ever really felt the 2326 02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:36.039 wonder in Awe I was supposed to feel seeing it, 2327 02:07:37.199 --> 02:07:39.079 and I was trying to figure out why. And I 2328 02:07:39.159 --> 02:07:42.359 wonder if it's because we already saw a few earlier 2329 02:07:42.359 --> 02:07:44.920 in the movie or if I'm so familiar with that design, 2330 02:07:46.399 --> 02:07:48.439 or you know, the the what do they call them, 2331 02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:50.560 the grays? You know they starts with the big eyes. 2332 02:07:52.600 --> 02:07:57.439 Or when I see e T he's there, I can 2333 02:07:57.720 --> 02:08:00.640 touch him, he and Elliott when they hug, I can, 2334 02:08:00.800 --> 02:08:02.159 you know what I mean? Like I can feel the 2335 02:08:02.279 --> 02:08:06.560 embrace right and and likewise, even you know, the aliens 2336 02:08:06.560 --> 02:08:11.199 in close encounters, even though they're like stop motion and 2337 02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:13.960 whatever sort of janky looking thing they are now, they 2338 02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:16.880 still look like something I could poke, you know, and 2339 02:08:17.079 --> 02:08:21.159 like shake its hand and like a tangibility. And I 2340 02:08:21.560 --> 02:08:24.840 read online that apparently it was a puppet that was 2341 02:08:24.960 --> 02:08:26.079 enhanced with CGI. 2342 02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:29.119 Honestly, I would never have believed that. I thought it 2343 02:08:29.159 --> 02:08:29.640 was CGI. 2344 02:08:29.800 --> 02:08:32.479 I feel really really happy hearing you say that, because 2345 02:08:32.479 --> 02:08:35.119 I felt the same thing, and I was like, there's 2346 02:08:35.880 --> 02:08:41.720 just even if it's half a degree of disconnect from 2347 02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:43.960 feeling that that thing is actually in the room with them, 2348 02:08:44.039 --> 02:08:47.399 and I do feel like that is bringing the experience 2349 02:08:47.479 --> 02:08:49.199 down for me a little bit, Like if I saw 2350 02:08:49.319 --> 02:08:52.359 something that was brushing up against things, or even like 2351 02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:54.199 maybe it was having a hard time walking and it 2352 02:08:54.359 --> 02:08:56.560 put its hand for support on one of the cameraman's 2353 02:08:56.560 --> 02:08:59.000 shoulders and the guy's like, oh my gosh. Yeah, you know, like, 2354 02:08:59.399 --> 02:09:02.159 but seeing that would have brought me into it even more, like, 2355 02:09:02.239 --> 02:09:06.079 holy crap, there's an alien in a newsroom. And unfortunately 2356 02:09:06.680 --> 02:09:10.359 I didn't quite feel the wonder I wanted to with 2357 02:09:10.520 --> 02:09:14.920 that specific thing. Yeah. I don't know, maybe it's just me. 2358 02:09:15.039 --> 02:09:19.760 Yeah, well, I think again, I truly feel like it 2359 02:09:19.840 --> 02:09:23.479 would have meant more separate from the way the creatures depicted. 2360 02:09:23.560 --> 02:09:27.640 I think if if the stakes of what he represented 2361 02:09:28.000 --> 02:09:30.119 were emphasized more, I You're. 2362 02:09:30.039 --> 02:09:34.520 Right, what that moment meant. If it had meant like, Wow, 2363 02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:36.359 this is the conclusion we need to this. 2364 02:09:36.479 --> 02:09:37.760 Story, that's right. 2365 02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:38.199 Yeah. 2366 02:09:39.239 --> 02:09:42.319 One thing I really do want to emphasize that I 2367 02:09:42.439 --> 02:09:46.760 really admired a lot about this movie is that it's 2368 02:09:46.880 --> 02:09:52.680 so quintessentially Spielberg in that it's not cynical. Hmm. 2369 02:09:53.319 --> 02:09:53.520 Yeah. 2370 02:09:54.159 --> 02:10:01.840 There there is a broadly optimistic view of human nature 2371 02:10:02.880 --> 02:10:06.119 that I liked. Yeah, And what does it come down to. 2372 02:10:06.199 --> 02:10:10.399 It comes down to people's decency, people's empathy. And you 2373 02:10:10.479 --> 02:10:12.680 know you know this, you and I when we've talked 2374 02:10:12.680 --> 02:10:15.039 about E T. One of my favorite things about E 2375 02:10:15.239 --> 02:10:20.359 T is that it's about trust and trust being rewarded. 2376 02:10:21.119 --> 02:10:21.239 Right. 2377 02:10:21.680 --> 02:10:28.840 Each time Elliott broadens his circle of trust, it's rewarded, right. Yeah, 2378 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:33.039 yeah right, he tells Michael, Michael becomes his ally. He 2379 02:10:33.159 --> 02:10:34.920 tells Mom, Mom becomes the ally. 2380 02:10:35.359 --> 02:10:35.520 You know. 2381 02:10:35.800 --> 02:10:41.239 Keys is like Elliott grown up. Yeah, yeah, right, I 2382 02:10:41.319 --> 02:10:45.560 love Keys in that movie, you know, And and that 2383 02:10:45.840 --> 02:10:50.359 to me is something really you know, people might say 2384 02:10:50.479 --> 02:10:53.960 naive about Steven Spielberg, you know, but I love that 2385 02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:58.319 about him. Yeah right, I agree, wonder you know, And 2386 02:10:58.840 --> 02:11:02.760 that's something that I like in this movie, this idea 2387 02:11:03.319 --> 02:11:07.840 that this revelation would be the thing potentially that brings 2388 02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:11.000 the world together. So I like that conceptually, I love that. 2389 02:11:12.439 --> 02:11:15.319 Execution wise, I don't feel like we get there. And 2390 02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:17.560 that's what I find frustrating. Not that I think the 2391 02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:19.239 notion is unbelievable. 2392 02:11:19.680 --> 02:11:21.760 Mmm, yes, does that make sense? 2393 02:11:21.880 --> 02:11:23.359 Like even at the end when you think about it, 2394 02:11:23.439 --> 02:11:27.439 like Scanlon the whole movie, he's set up as the heel, Yeah, 2395 02:11:27.520 --> 02:11:30.800 and yet at the end of it he allows it 2396 02:11:30.880 --> 02:11:32.119 to happen. He doesn't stop it. 2397 02:11:32.800 --> 02:11:35.520 He just kind of gives up. Yeah. Well, and it'd 2398 02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:40.319 be interesting to understand why exactly. Yeah, Like see, I 2399 02:11:41.239 --> 02:11:43.439 I think it's interesting that we don't. It's not like 2400 02:11:43.600 --> 02:11:46.600 we see Emily Blunt become his wife and then he 2401 02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:51.439 gives up. M I don't think that's what happens. Yeah, 2402 02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:54.000 I think he has this realization of like, no, this 2403 02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:54.920 is the right thing to do. 2404 02:11:55.640 --> 02:12:01.840 Right, which I'm not sure I highly got No, I 2405 02:12:02.039 --> 02:12:04.960 agree with you, Like that's that's the point, right. 2406 02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:09.039 I would have loved for that, the moment when he's like, no, 2407 02:12:10.800 --> 02:12:13.119 this is the right thing, Like that really needed to 2408 02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:18.039 mean something. And so this is this is my like frustration, 2409 02:12:18.319 --> 02:12:24.640 Like I'm I'm fully on board with where Spielberg is 2410 02:12:24.800 --> 02:12:28.680 trying to get us. I'm just not sure the way 2411 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:34.680 he gets us there is the most efficient or fulfilling 2412 02:12:34.720 --> 02:12:37.199 you know, it's it's not it's not the efficient route, 2413 02:12:37.239 --> 02:12:42.279 it's not the scenic route. And that's that was my frustration. 2414 02:12:42.359 --> 02:12:47.359 But it's like, I feel like only Spielberg has that 2415 02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:51.800 even now, at at this age, has that childish belief 2416 02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:57.720 that that not childish childlike that No, this is like 2417 02:12:57.960 --> 02:12:59.079 this will bring us all together. 2418 02:12:59.319 --> 02:13:00.479 You know, how could it not? 2419 02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:04.680 Exactly? You know how could? And and and yeah, man, 2420 02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:06.760 I want that too, I know. 2421 02:13:07.039 --> 02:13:09.880 I Yes, you're still right, because then if they had 2422 02:13:10.039 --> 02:13:13.119 sold it. Maybe it would make us feel the same thing. 2423 02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:19.840 How could it not exactly? Yeah, uh but yeah, that's 2424 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:22.159 that's our disclosure about disclosure day. 2425 02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:25.119 Yeah, well, actually we have to say real quick John 2426 02:13:25.119 --> 02:13:31.680 Williams wonderful hearing his music, surprising how little of it 2427 02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:32.079 there is. 2428 02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:35.680 Yeah, I think I don't. I didn't hear a lot 2429 02:13:35.760 --> 02:13:39.119 of big sweeping motifs. Yeah. 2430 02:13:39.159 --> 02:13:40.880 I would say even the first half of the movie, 2431 02:13:41.039 --> 02:13:43.239 I noticed there was a lot of action in things 2432 02:13:43.319 --> 02:13:47.960 happening without any score. It was an interesting unusual Spielberg. 2433 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:51.720 Ye choice, Hey, the man's earned his break, the man's 2434 02:13:51.720 --> 02:13:55.239 earned his rest, that's sure. Yeah. I think he was 2435 02:13:55.239 --> 02:13:56.880 probably just sitting back and be like, hey, the you know, 2436 02:13:57.039 --> 02:14:00.439 like the the music of the car chase speaks for itself, 2437 02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:03.560 and and and Spielberg's. 2438 02:14:02.960 --> 02:14:06.560 Like, okay, right, right, right, right right. 2439 02:14:07.600 --> 02:14:10.560 No, yeah, there's there's like, you have some action riffs 2440 02:14:10.600 --> 02:14:15.239 that are very very John Williams. Yeah. But but weirdly, 2441 02:14:17.439 --> 02:14:21.720 there wasn't like yeah, you know, like yeah, I mean, 2442 02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:24.279 and this is the obvious comparison, but like the Close 2443 02:14:24.399 --> 02:14:31.560 Encounters theme or the you know, something suitably uh sweeping 2444 02:14:31.680 --> 02:14:34.319 in that in that singularly John Williams way we did 2445 02:14:34.399 --> 02:14:35.199 not get. 2446 02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:39.880 Yeah, that's okay, I that's fine. 2447 02:14:39.920 --> 02:14:42.319 I actually the music score, I really have no no 2448 02:14:42.439 --> 02:14:46.079 real complaints about m m uh. That's just something I noticed, that's. 2449 02:14:45.960 --> 02:14:49.319 All, you know, now that you say it, I'm remembering 2450 02:14:50.319 --> 02:14:54.520 in Close Encounters Williams and his music quotes when you 2451 02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:58.239 wish upon a star, and in this movie, Emily Blunt 2452 02:14:58.279 --> 02:15:02.119 when she's a child sings a song from snow White. 2453 02:15:03.199 --> 02:15:06.319 So that's just a interesting point of connection, I suppose 2454 02:15:06.359 --> 02:15:12.159 between the two songs from old Disney movies. Okay, yeah, 2455 02:15:12.720 --> 02:15:14.800 just just throwing it out there because I got nowhere 2456 02:15:14.800 --> 02:15:15.159 else for it. 2457 02:15:16.520 --> 02:15:17.239 Well, there we go. 2458 02:15:17.560 --> 02:15:20.640 I like the observation, Oh man, this is great. I 2459 02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:23.199 really it was hard. I saw it by myself last night, 2460 02:15:23.239 --> 02:15:26.760 and it was really hard not being able to discuss it. 2461 02:15:27.239 --> 02:15:30.199 So this I was really looking forward to this. You know. 2462 02:15:30.560 --> 02:15:32.159 One thing I will say though, You know, for the 2463 02:15:32.199 --> 02:15:34.359 two and a half hours, I was never bored while 2464 02:15:34.439 --> 02:15:38.720 watching it. Yeah, exactly, same, right, Like it was definitely 2465 02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:41.560 there were aspects of confusion or whatever, but I was 2466 02:15:41.720 --> 02:15:45.000 fully I was you know, I was I was fully 2467 02:15:45.039 --> 02:15:48.079 plugged into the experience, and I think that that is 2468 02:15:48.199 --> 02:15:53.319 something worth acknowledging as a plus that that, you know, 2469 02:15:54.159 --> 02:15:55.279 like you said, I mean, it was two and a 2470 02:15:55.279 --> 02:15:58.800 half hours. It went by pretty pretty pretty efficiently, I 2471 02:15:58.800 --> 02:16:05.000 would say, And so it's certainly at the craft of filmmaking. Spielberg. 2472 02:16:06.199 --> 02:16:07.119 He still knows what. 2473 02:16:07.159 --> 02:16:11.960 He's doing, absolutely, And I mean, that's what makes discussing 2474 02:16:12.039 --> 02:16:15.479 this so interesting, is this is like a rip roaring 2475 02:16:15.640 --> 02:16:18.880 yarn and also just us being who we are, and 2476 02:16:19.000 --> 02:16:21.520 you know, again speaking for myself, I mean close encounters 2477 02:16:22.680 --> 02:16:25.840 like exists somewhere in my soul, you know what I mean, 2478 02:16:26.079 --> 02:16:27.920 and having this movie be a bit of a companion 2479 02:16:28.000 --> 02:16:30.920 piece to it. I'm old enough now I've learned that 2480 02:16:31.079 --> 02:16:34.440 you just can't expect things to hit the same way 2481 02:16:35.600 --> 02:16:37.200 things have in the past when you were a certain 2482 02:16:37.280 --> 02:16:39.360 age and experienced at a certain time and whatever. So 2483 02:16:39.440 --> 02:16:42.959 I never expected this to reach that. But you can't 2484 02:16:43.079 --> 02:16:47.360 help but you look at them together, right, you know. 2485 02:16:47.520 --> 02:16:50.639 And so that's just kind of what I'm processing right now. 2486 02:16:50.840 --> 02:16:54.760 And it's a little bit easier to talk about the 2487 02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:56.719 things that were like, oh, it would have been nice 2488 02:16:56.760 --> 02:16:58.639 if this and oh, you know, I wasn't quite feeling this, 2489 02:16:58.719 --> 02:17:00.879 and I wish I had, but I'm glad that you 2490 02:17:01.000 --> 02:17:03.360 brought it up. It is also a good time at 2491 02:17:03.399 --> 02:17:03.920 the movies. 2492 02:17:04.479 --> 02:17:08.520 Yeah yeah, yeah, but hey, let us let us know 2493 02:17:08.600 --> 02:17:11.799 your thoughts. Can You can email us at Moviefilm Podcast 2494 02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:13.479 at gmail dot com. You can also hit like on 2495 02:17:13.520 --> 02:17:16.239 our Facebook page Facebook dot com slash movie Film Podcast 2496 02:17:16.520 --> 02:17:18.719 and message us there. As always, please go to Apple 2497 02:17:18.760 --> 02:17:20.879 Podcasts and leave review, leave us star rating. Every little 2498 02:17:20.879 --> 02:17:22.840 bit helps, And if you're listening to the show on YouTube, 2499 02:17:22.840 --> 02:17:25.360 please hit like, hit subscribe and leave a comment because 2500 02:17:25.399 --> 02:17:27.559 we do read those on the show. 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You can also read my reviews 2518 02:18:12.520 --> 02:18:16.000 at the San Francisco Chronicle, including my thoughts on Masters 2519 02:18:16.040 --> 02:18:18.719 of the Universe, which we discussed this episode, as well 2520 02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:19.520 some other fun stuff. 2521 02:18:19.559 --> 02:18:22.040 What about you, Brian, You can find episodes I've written 2522 02:18:22.079 --> 02:18:24.760 of Puppy Dog Pals and Young Jedi Adventures streaming on 2523 02:18:24.879 --> 02:18:25.760 Disney Plus. 2524 02:18:26.799 --> 02:18:29.600 And with that on behalf of my partner Brian Home. 2525 02:18:29.680 --> 02:18:31.479 My name is Zaki Sad. This has been Movie Film 2526 02:18:31.520 --> 02:18:33.920 three forty five. We'll catch you next time. Thanks everybody, 2527 02:18:35.840 --> 02:18:38.879 Welcome friends Podcast 2528 02:18:42.520 --> 02:18:42.920 Jackie