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Our guest today is Sean Karney, founder, president and CEO

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of Forty Days for Life, an internationally coordinated campaign that

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aims to end abortion locally through prayer and fasting, community

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outreach and a peaceful all day mitchell in front of

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abortion businesses. Sean joins us to talk about the Catholic

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Church's new pope, Leo the fourteenth and what it all

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means to the pro life movement and the fight for

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the unborn. Sean, thank you so much for joining us

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on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's an honor to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely remarkable times these I wanted to get your first

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take on the Conclave, the White Smoke, and then the

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first ever United States born pope. This is history in

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the making.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome. Yeah, the first American pope. Who would have

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thought it? You know, he was on my I guess

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pope bracket like we do for college basketball. But I

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didn't think there was a realistic chance at all that

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we would have an American pope. I didn't have him

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going out of the first round, if we want to

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stick with that.

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Speaker 1: I got him at pretty strong five seed. Yeah, it's

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just kind of I knew he was going to take

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out Pepperdine in the first round, but really to go

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on to the national championship, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't gonna He definitely was not a dark horse.

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He ended up being like Gonzaga of like the mid

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nineties where they came out of nowhere. Yeah, so it

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is surprising in that sense, but not totally surprising. I mean,

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he I like that he's only been a cardinal for

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two years. He worked in the Vatican intimately the last

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two years, which is not a long time in Catholic world.

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That's just like basically a weekend. And so he's not

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this insider. He is a missionary. He started the pro

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life group at Villanova when he was there. He's got

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strong statements on things that we would like him to

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have strong statements on, particularly very critical of the Western

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media for their sort of onslaught of the homosexual agenda

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and forcing it on everybody and promote in gay marriage

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and promoting you know, sarrogacy for gay couples, a very

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very strong language against that. He prevented the transgender insanity

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from getting into Peru. He's had very strong comments on

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that he's not going to ordain women priests. We can

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be done, you know, with just some of the confusion

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that the Francis papacy had frankly, where we were just

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sort of like he would toed up to the line

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of something crazy and then be like, yeah, we're not

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doing that, or he would say things that were a

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little crazy. And I think that with Leo the fourteenth

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phenomenal name by the way, we're really going to get

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He's an intelligent man. He's a clear thinker, he's a

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clear communicator. His first sermon as pope was awesome. It's

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like eleven minutes long, yest, Yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 2: It was very very good and very solid.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, I think he's kind of an unknown

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twenty four hours, it kind of makes sense that they

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chose an American. You know, he was head of his

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religious congregation, the Augustinians. He was in charge of them,

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a CEO and kind of an adult in the room

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because there was a lot of chaos under Francis. They're broke,

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they spent money like crazy, they're in debt, and you know,

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they Americans make good CEOs and and I think that

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they kind of need that, and that's one of the

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positive things of being an American, and so I think

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that that I think that that's one of the reasons

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that they that they picked him.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. He raised a lot of a lot of

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interesting points that I think we need to unpack here

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as well. If hare has immediately been from the accomplished

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media players from the leftist press, corporate media, oh well,

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you know, they picked Leo the fourteenth to as the

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first American and some of his retweets would suggest that,

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you know, he'll take on Donald Trump and the MAGA

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movement in this country and all of those sorts of things.

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see the volleying for ownership of this new pope. Not surprising.

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of the retweets that we've heard expressed by some in

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the conservative movement in America when it comes to some

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of those leftist ideas that Pope Francis had pushed forward

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over the term of his papacy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have those concerns, and I think those

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concerns are natural and they're not political. I mean, one

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of the reasons Catholics are sort of looking at the

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balcony and everything's going to be okay, right, is that

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it's it's it's.

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Speaker 2: The way Francis governed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was an onslaught of you know, him

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taking the talking points from the UN or trying to

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tell the UN how to operate, and it was constant environment,

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it was constant refugees. And you know the issue with

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for refugees. We don't want anybody out on the street,

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but that's just the Catholic Church teaches that states have

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a right to govern themselves, and certainly that entails having

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a border or having a wall, or not having a

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border or not having a wall. They can decide whatever

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they want to do. It's the same on the death penalty.

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the teaching, and and you know, it was just this

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onslaught that you weren't a Christian unless you let everybody

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who wanted to come into your country and your country,

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and that this is not what the Church teaches. And

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so I think that that sort of fear of is

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this going to be a beat down.

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Speaker 2: Over the head, because look, the secular.

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Speaker 3: World is trying to fix the environment, The secular world

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is trying to you know, take in all refugees. Nobody

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is going to try on a global scale to proclaim

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the gospel of Jesus Christ, the harms of sin, the

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joy of forgiveness and resurrection if the Pope's not doing

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it above all.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that there is a little bit

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in the word that I got from inside the Vatican

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is they got it, they understood it, they needed to

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write the ship, they understood that it was. It was

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at times kind of a chaotic papacy with some of

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the things Francis would say. And Francis was extremely strong

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on abortion. He said, if you know, hiring having an

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abortion was like hiring a hitman. He said the doctors

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that aborted disabled babies were no different than Nazi doctors.

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I mean, he was strong on abortion. It was kind

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of like, where'd that come from? And and so it

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wasn't that, it was just that there there was a

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lot of distractions. And that's probably it's totally unfair to

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Leo the fourteenth, right when you follow somebody like that,

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and you follow somebody who is is not shy, who's loud,

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who's charismatic, and you know Leo the fourteenth is not.

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level headed. And I think that's that's the perfect you know,

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following to Pope Francis.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Whatever you think about Pope Francis and

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his clear left bent on so many social issues and

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so many other policies around the world. He was very

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strong and very committed to pro life and was very

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clear in his position on that. What does the record

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show us on Cardinal Robert France's prevost? Now, of course,

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when it comes to supporting the unborn.

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Speaker 2: A very strong, very strong.

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Speaker 3: In fact, this morning he quoted Jeremiah twenty nine to

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eleven that the Father knew us when he knitted a

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senate in our mother's wombs in his first sermon. So

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he started the pro life group at Villanova. He has

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consistently just talked about abortion and defended the unborn. And

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that's just not that's not surprising. It's not like, oh, great,

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a pro life pope. I mean, he's pope with the

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Catholic Church. He's pro life, and so that's that's not

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Speaker 2: By far.

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Speaker 3: The most liberal a pope we've had in the last

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you know, a couple hundred years was certainly Francis, and

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he was extremely strong on abortion. And so that's not

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really something for people to be concerned about.

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Speaker 2: I hope.

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Speaker 3: And I want to go back to something you you

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made a great point about. You know, there's a phrase.

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funeral was best friends with the dead guy. And I

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think it's it's the same whenever you get a new pope,

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everybody's like and he agrees with me on everything, take it,

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you know, and and everybody sort of rushes to judgment. Now,

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part of that's just just our American nature of like

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Speaker 2: Us or against us? You know, are you blue or

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your red? And it doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's responsible for leading one point four billion,

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you know, Catholics and also being certainly a strong voice

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for the moral good, for natural law, for God in

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the world and a very secular continent and a very

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secular world. So his voice is political. There's no doubt.

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Paul Benedict was good at that. I think Francis tried

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to do it. Sometimes it was good, sometimes it was

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a complete disaster. But you know, there is a political

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element to it because of papal authority and speaking on

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behalf of of of the marginalized, whether it be you know,

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the unborn, or or the poor or frankly people who

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just try to live their Christian faith every day. They're marginalized,

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concerns about his tweets.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt. I mean, if the media.

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Speaker 3: Runs out, and they will, I think we're in like this. Hey,

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it's the first American pope. It's really cool phase. But

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that'll end. And if they do the thing where they

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say we've got an anti immigration American pope versus evil,

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you know, build the wall, Donald Trump, I hope and

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pray and I'm sure you do too, that Pope Leo

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the fourteenth doesn't take the bait and that that's not

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a thing that's not healthy for anybody. And and you know,

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it's like anything else, the immigration thing has gotten, I believe,

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just as a Catholic and an American, out of control

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as an issue of just the state has a right

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to govern who comes in and leaves. It's just not

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I mean, we're not shooting people at the border. We're

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not hanging people at the border. It's just some of

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Speaker 2: You know, and and and.

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Speaker 3: You know, I know people are tired of hearing Trump

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go on and that they're sending.

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Speaker 2: Their rape business, ending their murderers.

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Speaker 3: There's ending their wordspeople the dam But people, you know,

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and everybody kind of rolls their eyes.

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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of truth to that. There's a

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lot of truth to the fentanyl.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of truth to to to a lot

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of different things. And so, you know, I hope that

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that doesn't happen. I know the media will try to

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do it. But but there is a list of things

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that everybody's like, how is Pope Leo the fourteenth going.

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Speaker 2: To be We're going to see, we are going to see.

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it's one pope to another. You know, is he going

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to allow the Latin Mass? That was a huge source

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of division that Francis Man he went after He just

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for Catholics, and and and that's why I believe that

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they went for Leo the fourteenth as a as a

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calming presence and as one that's that's not rash and abrasive.

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up to that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Pope Leo, as I understand it, is

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a long time Chicago White Sox fan, which means that

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he fully understands the holy idea of suffering, long term suffering,

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and how that brings one closer to our Lord. And

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I was telling someone today that as a White Sox fan,

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he must be obviously very clear, very close to the

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Lord with the amount.

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Speaker 2: Of you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: This is what's just fun about me in an American

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is we could we could politicize like dollar hot dog

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night at the stadium. But it's funny because you know,

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you everybody hears Chicago and they're like, oh, no, Obama

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came from Chicago. This is the end of the world,

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you know, right, But uh, Leo the fourteen, it was

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very quick to leave Chicago and move to another country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was. He got out of that leftist enclave.

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Speaker 2: He's pretty smart. Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 3: I saw his tweeting about how he voted Republican his

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entire life. I don't know how they get all this stuff,

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but it is. He voted Republican at every election, including

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the last one. So it's just funny to see all

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this stuff come out. But what we need is what

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he is, which is in what he's called to be

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now with this great honor of being the successor of Peter,

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and that's a holy father who leads the flock, who

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corrects when necessary, and who you know, joyfully and unapologetically

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you know, preaches the Gospel. And frankly, there's just nothing

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out there that says he's not going to do that.

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any new new leader, and we don't want to be

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you know, let down, but we also you know, and

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trust this responsibility to him. Pray for him and watch

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what he does and listen to what he says. And

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about Branci's two point zero because they're slapping that on him,

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which is totally unfair. He's failing that test because he

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came out in the traditional investments. He said, he did

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the blessing, the traditional blessing in Latin, he did an indulgence.

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So you know, these are things that frances wasn't exactly

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running around doing all day. So you know it's it's

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very encouraging and we need to pray for him and

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allow him to do his job.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and he took the name Leo Leo the fourteenth

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I would very much assume referential to Leo the thirteenth.

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There's been a lot of talk about Leo the Reformer,

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and those again on the left want to want to

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claim that Leo as a social justice warrior, but that

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Leo was very much a traditionalist. And it seems the

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signs that we're seeing again a traditionalist in the Catholic Church,

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someone who is very devoted to Canon. And I ask

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you all of this, from all that you said, all

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the experiences that this man has lived through, and that

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is will do you believe he will when it comes

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to the pro life movement, be able to do what

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I don't think that his predecessor was able to do,

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even though he was a strong pro life proponent, and

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that is change hearts and minds first and foremost in

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his church.

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Speaker 2: And around the world on the.

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Speaker 1: Holocaust that is going on with the unborn, So the

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lives lost every year to this horrifying catastrophe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I'll tell you the big difference.

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So John Paul the second right, he saw the injustice

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of removing the humanity from a human being, first with

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the fascists in Poland and then unfortunately they were replaced

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by the Communists, and so that was near and dear

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to his heart, as.

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Speaker 2: Did Pute Benedict.

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Speaker 3: On the other end, you know, growing up as a

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child in Germany, seeing the Nazis take off and all

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of the insane and the hostility towards the Catholic Church

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in Germany, that spoke out. I mean, he's from Bavaria,

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one of the most Catholic places on earth, and just

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seeing that Ope Francis Argentina was abortion free. I mean,

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Argentina just legalized abortion a couple of years ago. He

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was in pope. He was the Pope in Rome at

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the time, and so there was a little bit of

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a distant relationship in a healthy way from abortion. That's

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not the case with Leo the fourteenth. He was in Peru.

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I think, especially as an American, it's one of the

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things that when I go down there, you're just kind

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of ashamed of. And that is those people have abortion

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because of Us and the Brits. That is plain Pearenthood International,

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who Praise God. Donald Trump defunded again last January when

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he was after the inauguration, but plam parent International goes

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down there and says youve got too many kids, you

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don't have any money, you don't need to have children

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here to get on contraception. And here's abortion, and they

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set up abortion facilities. And even in countries where it's illegal,

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it's tolerated, and it's forced on the people. It's not cultural,

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like half of Americans want abortion, right, it's not like

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that in Latin America. And a Leo the fourteenth saw that.

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He probably saw it as the healthy disease of the West.

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You know, like our iPhones are awesome, our Coca cola

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tastes good, our genes fit better than any other country.

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Speaker 2: But our culture is sick.

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Speaker 3: And we will tell you need abortion via Bill Gates

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or via our government or via the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: And it's a very shameful thing.

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Speaker 3: So he's been on kind of the receiving end of that,

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and that's why I think he has a great global perspective.

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Being a missionary. In Latin America, you see like plamed

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parenthoods setting up shop trying to do abortions on teenage girls,

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and it makes you sick. And so that was one

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of the first things that crossed my mind, is having

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an American who has been a missionary in Latin America

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who's already strongly, strongly vocally pro life. So I'm very

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optimistic on that end. I think he's going to be great.

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Speaker 2: I also, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, we just didn't hear anything from Francis when Ruby

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Wade was overturned, which I thought was shameful as an

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American Catholic. It's picture, particularly with an overtly Catholic Supreme Court.

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So I just think things like that are going to

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change for the better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see an end time, and the signs

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are very encouraging so far. Our guest today is Sean Karney, founder,

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president and CEO of forty Days for Life, an internationally

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coordinated campaign that aims to end abortion locally through prayer

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and fasting community outreach, a peaceful all day vigil in

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front of abortion industry businesses. Let's talk about this how

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it's all tied in with some of these left leaning

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Catholic related groups instantly coming to mind, the groups that

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have benefited through the criminally wasteful and corrupt USAID. I

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think immediately of Catholic charities. Again, I don't know how

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much time the new pope is going to devote to

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these sorts of NGOs organizations surrounding the church. But to

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a lot of people, this is a messy part of

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business within the Catholic Church. And let's face it, as

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you mentioned earlier on in our conversation, it's part of

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an expensive part of the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 2: No it is in.

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Speaker 3: Catholic Charities has done some great work in certain parts

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of the world and here at home. But mismanagement is mismanagement.

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And if you're dependent upon the federal government, particularly as

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a nonprofit, you have to know that you're playing with fire.

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They're either going to take it over or they're going

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to do a basic audit and say, hey, we think

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you're wasting money, we're not going to support you anymore,

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or we just don't agree with your mission.

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Speaker 2: And we're not going to support you anymore.

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Speaker 3: And so you run the risk of being so embedded

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with the federal government. So when the government comes along

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and says we're not funding Catholic Charities anymore, you know,

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as a Catholic, I'm like, I don't really understand the

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fit I'm supposed to throw, you know, I mean, this

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is I run an international nonprofit forty Days for Life.

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We don't get a nickel from the federal government. We

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go out and do what most nonprofits do, which is

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share our mission.

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Speaker 2: People want to.

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Speaker 3: Give great, they don't great, and you move on. You

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can't be dependent upon the federal government. By the way,

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like plain parenthood is another you know million the reason

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why they need to be defunded of their seven hundred

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million dollars. So you know that that is I think

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we we always want to defend sort of the victim,

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and so we make a bunch of victims out of

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organizations or people. And I just didn't see that in

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this case with Catholic charities. They're it's always kind of

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been known. There's been a lot of mismanagement. There's been

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a lot of reckless spending. They are big and fat

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and sort of.

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Speaker 2: Ingrained in the government.

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Speaker 3: And Trump went in and ran on cutting government, you know,

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needless spending and government spending, and you know, to say, well,

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now the American government is hurting and to point to

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all these people because Catholic charities can't hurt them, just

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the American model. That is not the responsibility of the

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US government, right, That's not You're not going to find

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that in the federalist papers. And if charities you know,

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are called, which they are, we all are to serve

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the poor, to be missionaries around the world. We need

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to do that and we need to pay for it,

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and we do more than any other country in the world.

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Americans are more generous by far than any other people

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in the world. That's what I hate when we get

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criticized is like we're so selfish and greedy, Like, no,

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we're not. We fund more things overseas personally than any

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other organ than any other country by far. And so,

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you know, cutting the government spending, cutting Catholic charities, I

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understand it, and it's it.

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Speaker 2: But I think for non.

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Speaker 3: Catholics to say, hey, good, they're all corrupt, that's not true.

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Catholic charity has done a lot of good. They have

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understand a lot of tremendous good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are two sides to every coin. One of

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the areas I think that a lot of Americans have

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concerns about is the It looks a lot like that

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there are some in Catholic charities aiding and abetting violent

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illegal immigrants into this country, and then when they are

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called to justice, they're trying to hide them. Those those

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are concerns obviously from the border crisis that we've seen.

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Speaker 2: Over that to me, that's the worst part.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we can get mad about the funding, right,

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and I'm glad they got cut, but the the whole notion,

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I mean, that's criminal that you're going to, you know,

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aid a criminal coming across the border. And by the way,

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this is basic example of just misguided mercy and you're

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not helping anyone. You may feel good about yourself. You

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may feel good because you know, we can kind of

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eat whatever we want, we have access to everything, and

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this person doesn't. Maybe they had a rough childhood, maybe

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they have a rough criminal record, nobody's perfect.

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Speaker 2: All of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to help them, but you are endangering your

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own citizens. You're not helping them. They don't need to

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be roaming around having access to people. And it's just

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it's just a false notion of mercy and of charity.

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And so you know, I think that's why a lot

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of this stuff was uncovered and it doesn't bode well.

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Speaker 1: I think you just summed up Paupe Francis and his papacy.

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I think that's one of the big questions that we

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have the idea of mercy, and it sounds so good,

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and at its core it is the Christian faith mercy

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for bearns. But there is also the idea of national

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sovereignty and the common sense of national sovereignty, the common

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sense of having borders. And you know, this is the

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problem that we've seen over and over again. You mentioned

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something I think that's very interesting. I'd like to expound

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upon this because now we have the first American pope.

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America has been bludgeoned. It has been just absolutely knocked

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around by the UN and the globalist in the international concerns.

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It has been knocked around by Pope Francis. You know,

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the largest and most powerful, the most wealthy country in

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the world, is also the most generous country in the world.

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You believe that this pope, with his American origins, his

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Chicago origins, will finally will have a pope that stands

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up for the United States of America like we have

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not seen since Pope John Paul the Second.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I would say Pope Benedict, he loved America.

485
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He got along very very well, absolutely George W. Bush.

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Speaker 3: And he was also very grateful for America for ending

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the war World War two. I don't think that's not

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the word I would use. Is he going to stand

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up for the US, because that's not the job of

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the pope. But I do think that the pope. It's

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good for America to have pope's criticize us.

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Speaker 2: We need it.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome in nineteen ninety four when John Paul

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the Second went to the Denver airport and stood six

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yards away from Bill and Hillary Clinton and said that

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every nation will be judged on how they'd treat their

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most vulnerable, particularly the unborn child in the womb. And

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everybody's just like, hey, is anybody else uncomfortable? And it

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was awesome. And when Mother Teresa called out the Clintons

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at the prayer breakfast, saying, you want to kill the child,

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bring the child to me.

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Speaker 2: I'll raise the child. You know, that's what we need.

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Speaker 3: The thing with Francis is it was always just sort

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of it was either passive or you know, a lot

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of it was immigration, which is fine.

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Speaker 2: But my hope for Leo the fourteenth.

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Speaker 3: And of course we're not in the business of telling

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popes what they should tell us, but we need to

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be called out.

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Speaker 2: On a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, America invented and then spread gay marriage around

512
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the world. And there has been no institution in the

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world that has protected the sanctity of marriage that it

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is for life right out of Matthew nineteen than the

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Catholic Church. I mean, Christ reinvented marriage and established it.

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That yes, Moses allowed you to get divorced because of

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your hardness of heart, but in the beginning it was

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not so. He made the male and female, and the

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00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:01,200
Catholic Church has been the strongest defender of marriage, and

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we have butchered it as a country in the United States,

521
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we have distrew taken a baseball bat to the family.

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Over the last fifty or sixty years since the sexual Revolution,

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it's been a complete and utter disaster what has happened.

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And of course the culmination of the sexual revolution is

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to deny gender itself, that we are all the same,

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or we can just be whatever we want to be,

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and so our cultural illnesses, or why we need something

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like the papacy that's outside of.

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Speaker 2: Us and independent of us and can call us out.

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Speaker 3: And John Paul did that, everybody knowing he absolutely loved America,

531
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and Ronald Reagan and Pope Benedict did that. I think

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the thing with Francis. Honestly as a Catholic, I just

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as an American. Guth I was always like, does he

534
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not like us? Does he not like our country? And

535
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that's fine, right, some people just have biases or whatever.

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But he did come here, and he did spend a

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lot of time here, and he was very gracious to

538
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Congress and all of that.

539
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Speaker 2: So I don't want to beat up on Poe.

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Speaker 3: Friends, it's too much, but I think that, you know,

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Pope Leo the fourteenth, it's a tremendous opportunity to point

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out the good and the gift of America and to

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reprimand us.

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Speaker 2: For some of the things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, half of our politicians think you can leave

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a baby girl on the table who survives an abortion

547
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left to tie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is horrifying. Yes, that's not a healthy culture.

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Speaker 3: That's not a culture that necessarily needs to be exported

550
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everywhere around the world.

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Speaker 1: Well, that raises a good point then, and we talk

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about the communication of this pope. We've already learned through

553
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eleven minutes that this pope is a pretty good communicator.

554
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He has a handle on the languages, knows many Is

555
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this the kind of pope who is going to truly

556
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drive home the fact that we need to turn away

557
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as Christians and as people who care about the present

558
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,400
of humanity itself. We need to turn away from a

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death culture because that's what we have lived in for

560
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a very long time in this country. And as you noted,

561
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the sexual revolution in this country exploded the death culture

562
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in America, and we have exported that elsewhere.

563
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Speaker 2: I hope so.

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Speaker 3: And I think it would continue the line that John

565
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Paul the Second did and that Pope Benedict did, and

566
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it's just speaking, you know, to truth. And Pope Benedict

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did in a very calm, easy, systematic way that anybody.

568
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Speaker 2: Can understand because he's German.

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Speaker 3: And John Paul did it in a very charismatic, you know,

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sort of glorified way. And Mother Teresa did it. I

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mean when Mother Teresa said and this, this is what

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I hope the angle is because he is an American,

573
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so he's in a unique position. But you know, Pope

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Leo the fourteenth kid followed the Mother Teresa line of

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when she was at Harvard and she said that that

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America needs to repent and get back to her roots.

577
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And when America gets back to her roots, she will

578
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end abortion in the world will follow and sort of

579
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propping America up as this leader and we are and

580
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,039
that's been really really good for a lot of people,

581
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and that's been bad for some people.

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Speaker 2: And that, you know, notion that.

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Speaker 3: If America does something, we are going to follow. You know,

584
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the Europeans have this, I don't know, that's kind of

585
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,599
a smarter like phrase. When America sneezes, the world gets

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the flu. I'm sure you've heard that. It's a global thing,

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and yeah, but when you know, when we're healthy, the

588
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world's healthy too. So you know, I think that that

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really is a good challenge to us. Look at our country.

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We have spread abortion around the world more than any

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other country, yet we are on the brink of ending

592
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it more than any other country. We have twenty six

593
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essentially pro life abortion free states, are highly regular abortion states.

594
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We are doing well. No one thought Roe v. Wade

595
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would ever be overturned. So you know, there's a lot

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of good to point out that you can be a

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superpower in the West and you don't have to be

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married to abortion. And America is highlighting that, and I

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hope the Pope highlights it, and I hope he continues

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to challenge us to uh to, to to be the

601
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leader in fixing our errors in the airs of other countries.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess it was a good first sign that

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we saw. We continued to see white smoke and we

604
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didn't see rainbow Pride smoke.

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Speaker 2: I thought that.

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Speaker 1: One point we were going to see the Pride flag

607
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and the Vatican under the last pope. This so far,

608
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based on my understanding and based what based on what

609
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I'm gathering, this is not a dei pope. Where where

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do you think Pope u Leo the fourteenth stands on

611
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the issues of course that Pope Francis took on as

612
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a banner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we already have some evidence of just what

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he has said. He has spoken strongly against gay marriage

615
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and you know, the idea that homosexuals want to adopt children.

616
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He has spoken very strongly against the transgender ideology. And

617
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that's good. And the reason that's good is because he's

618
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a reserve, shy guy. So if he's taking on those issues,

619
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we know he has the fortitude and the courage to

620
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do it. You know, I think he's a leader. Look,

621
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the guy turned down Harvard law to go serve in Peru,

622
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and people can say whatever they want about that, but

623
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that's a tremendous sacrifice. He forfeited a lot of comfort.

624
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That's what was beautiful about his sermon today. His sermon

625
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,719
today was not de His sermon was not woke, and

626
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,719
you know, it easily could have been your first one

627
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,559
out of the gate, but it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: And it was very true to the gospels.

629
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Speaker 3: So so yeah, I think we definitely give them a chance.

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I love being a Catholic. What a beautiful moment for

631
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all Christians in the world. We paused for a moment,

632
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:17,000
you know, that was just nice yesterday. And and you know,

633
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,760
he is the Holy Father. The Catholic Church is a family,

634
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the family of God, and we have a father and

635
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,960
and just like all families, you love your father no

636
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matter what.

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Speaker 2: You don't agree with them all the time, and maybe

638
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you get in an argument, but you know.

639
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: No pope, the worst popes who have been scoundrels have

640
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,760
never changed doctrine. They've had affairs, they've been corrupt, they've

641
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taken bribes, they've killed people, you know, but they've never

642
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:45,880
changed doctrine. They've just been morally corrupt themselves.

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Speaker 2: And so you know that is that's very very important.

644
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Speaker 3: And you know, the first three hundred years of popes

645
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were all murdered for the faith, which which is you

646
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know something that I guess is the most countercultural thing

647
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thing you can do is give your life for Christ

648
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and it's not conformed to the world. So we need

649
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to pray for Leo the fourteenth and also as an American.

650
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,039
Come on, now, it's just a little cool that we

651
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have an American pope. This is a very anti Catholic

652
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,719
country for a long time early on, and you know,

653
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,840
everybody celebrated when Kennedy, who in my opinion, was not

654
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a good president.

655
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Speaker 2: You know, he was the first Catholic president.

656
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Speaker 3: Now we we have an American who's a pope. I

657
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,119
love seeing the memes of like Costco going up in

658
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Saint Peter's Square.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was hysterical.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's make Vatican City great again with that. Absolutely, yeah, exactly. Okay,

661
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So the final question for you as we look out.

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You know, everybody of late has been talking about the

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first one hundred days of Donald Trump's second administration one

664
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hundred days from now, and obviously this is the long

665
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,039
game for the Catholic Church. Every time there's a new pope.

666
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That's what the concent iteration ultimately is, where do you

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see this Catholic Church ultimately going years from now, decades

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from now under the leadership of Pope Leo the fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons I think they also chose them

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as an American is the Catholic Church in America is booming,

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particularly in the South. We just had you know, diocees

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report thirty to seventy five percent increase and people becoming Catholic.

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The church is getting younger and more conservative here. It's

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one of the reasons you saw Trump gain the Catholic vote.

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A lot of that was was younger people eighteen to

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twenty four and the reason that, you know, I think

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he went up from one percent lead in twenty twenty

679
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to a nine percent of lead to the Catholic vote.

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Speaker 2: And they cited abortion.

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Speaker 3: They cited the church's teaching on abortion and how nuts

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you know, the left has gotten with all that. And

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so those are good signs. The seminarians are younger, they're

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more conservative, they love you know, tradition, and I think

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that you are going to see, you know, this pope

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support that and not make you feel like you're on

687
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the periphery because you know, you love the richness and

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the beauty and the traditions of the church. He clearly

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does from what we saw yesterday, and so it's really

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really something beautiful. It's an Apostolic church and it should

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be preserved and celebrated. And I think in the first

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hundred days his tone, which he's already done, maybe we'll

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get a comment or something about the Latin Mass, you know,

694
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being allowed again, and we'll just see where it goes.

695
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But I'm very optimistic. I think you're going to see

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the Catholic Church in America continue to boom. And it

697
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really really is in parts that were not traditionally very Catholic,

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you know, in the South and the Southwest.

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Speaker 2: So it's very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Finally, ultimately, finally tell us about forty days for Life,

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the mission and where where you stand right now and

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where you are heading.

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Speaker 2: Well, our demand is at a record high.

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Speaker 3: We hold peaceful vigils outside of abortion facilities.

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Speaker 2: Across the country and around the world.

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Speaker 3: We're in eighteen hundred cities in sixty four countries, and

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so you know, we've helped saved twenty six thousand babies

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we've helped two hundred and seventy eight abortion facility workers

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have a change of heart and leave their jobs. We

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go out law abiding, we're peaceful. It's helped close one

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hundred and sixty one abortion facilities because it kills the

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bottom line of an abortion facility when we're out there peacefully,

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praying and offering alternatives. So it's been a wonderful thing.

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And I'm very proud of our team and our legal

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arm which has really helped preserve free speech for everybody

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in America because they're constantly coming after us on free

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speech issues to try to get rid of us, but

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we're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you are at the forefront of the battle over

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the previous four years of an absolute targeting campaign and

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against Christians in this country. And I'm very happy to

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see the executive order from President Trump going after the

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attack on Christians in so many different areas, particularly on

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the pro life side. We could spend a long time

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talking about those experiences, perhaps another time, but I want

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to thank you for joining us on this edition to

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the Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much, you bet.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to my guest today, Sean Carney, Founder President CEO

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of Forty Days for Life. You've been listening to another

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edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior

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Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more.

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Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the

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fray