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Speaker 1: You don't need no Man, don't you follow another story?

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people saying, oh, thank god, something else right, something to

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it's bad. It was bad two weeks ago, it's probably

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you recommended me this movie, I never heard anything about it.

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Speaker 1: So this movie is okay, this is how I found

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this movie. I'm old enough to have gone to video stores.

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and you're like, okay, what is there out there? And

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there's this Mickey Rourke movie. And I liked Mickey Rourke

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at the time, and it's and it has all this

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like Asian stuff on it, and I'm like, all right,

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this looks pretty good. Called Year of the Dragon came

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out in nineteen eighty five, and I look at it

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and I see, oh, co written by Oliver Stone, this

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should be this should be interesting. I liked Salvador at

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one of the best pictures he ever made. And then

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everything is just like I'm like, oh, this is this

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and over again, and because there's great lines in it,

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the actions insane. There are hit men dressed like new

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wave artists for no reason whatsoever, and You're and You're like,

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they could be they could be hit men. They could

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also be in Kasha Googu. I have no clue what's

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going on with the like who did the costuming on

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this movie, but the movie is just literally insane from

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start to finish. So yeah, I went when I saw that,

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you and You and Andy talked about Angel Heart, which

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good in that, check this out. And Mickey Rourke is

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just way over. I mean, they just I think they

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and just said, look, you could do anything, you can

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the rowdy youths, you know, break into this store. And

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of funeral scene. It's it's you know, very Chinese, or

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kind of like old timey New Yorker shopkeeper and you

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and the kid just blasts his brains out all over

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Jear Hunter, which was considered to be, you know, one

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of the it's considered one of the greatest movies of

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and he's still fighting the war, but he's fighting it

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in New York City and he's fighting it, like not

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create total chaos of a situation. And then they and

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where he's like, oh, I've lost control and I don't

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kind of butting up against the other crime bosses. There's

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the Italian mob boss he's had a trachey ectomy, so

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the need for harmony, the need to not rock the

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set piece action scene. So our our main character, Officer White,

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let's just a luttle on. That's all right, guys, come on, like,

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in uh Temple of Doom. Right, Obviously that's a different

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where it's like, okay, obviously mac ten is way worse

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don't know, whatever, it's cool. And they just ose down

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tire restaurant with bullets to assassinate one guy. And they're

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in this restaurant, shoots one of them and then wrestles

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wants to keep his cool, but he also has Mickey

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but a colleague. I think he never really makes it

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clear exactly what they are other than like childhood friends.

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we'll leave the drugs alone. We leave everything alone, you know.

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political because you look at at it now and You're like, yeah,

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this is just another example of importing another group of

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people into your country who are going to start doing

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things that their way and they're going to get power.

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one hundred Jonate's one hundred thousand dollars a year to

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the mayor. And it's like, okay, well, you bring this

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captain in who wants to kick ass on the Chinese

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and isn't just kicking ass on the gangs but the

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young kids. But he's kicking ass on gambling and every

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and anything else they have. He's turned. He's upsetting the

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apple cart while Joey's upsetting the apple carts. So you

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have too these two forces that are that are hitting

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each other causing chaos. And it's like, okay, well that's

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how you get fucking squibs, you know, you get people

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cut in half by a fucking oozy in a restaurant.

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amount of tropes as far as like NYPD, like the

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first Like in the first scene when when Tracy is

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trying to interview the captain on the on the the horse,

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that guy is a cop in like every eighties movie there,

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I mean, there's it's like they couldn't they couldn't like

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pick somebody else. It had to be that one guy

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who was just like gonna speak in euphemisms, no comment,

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We're you know, we're just here to try to keep

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the peace and help whenever we can. And then you know,

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Stanley comes in and is just like, yeah, we're just

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I'm I'm just gonna blow this place up. And the

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great scene is when he says, what does he say

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about He's addressing all the cops, all the uniformed officers,

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and he said, if you if I hear any of

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you on the take, you know, I'm gonna hit you.

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I'm gonna pune you in the mount And and he

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says what if and the woman's she's one of the

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female cops goes, what if it's a woman? He goes, well,

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then she better bend over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just way over.

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Speaker 1: I mean everything in this movie is just like they

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just told Mickey Rourke fucking act, like, take the stereotype

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New Yorker, times it by ten and make him a

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New York police captain that wants to kill every Chinese

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person he meets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's basically that's basically the movie. So another

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one of the ongoing plots is that, uh, you know,

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Mickey Rourke has his wife who is seemingly grew up

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in the same neighborhood as him, and his childhood best friend.

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for a baby. He's obsessed with the job. You know,

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he missed, he missed the window. She's real mad at him.

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one hundred miles an hour, so that we see that

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he's not helping out around the house. Right, everything's run down.

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When we meet her, his wife is like rebuilding a

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washing machine, you know, on the kitchen floor, and so

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they have a they have a fight. Of course, you know,

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their relationship obviously goes south over the course of this film.

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back kind of into the action, right, obviously, we have

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this tension between you know, Mickey Rourke's character, Officer White,

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who basically says, you know, this is all in the

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Chinese triad. The higher ups are saying, like, what are

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you talking about? This is just some youth gang, you know,

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going crazy and uh, you know, to sort of sort

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of wage I guess you could say, kind of a

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gorilla war campaign. He you know, pulls this reporter into

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it to try and you know, expose this story. But

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as part of this he realizes, well, I'm gonna need

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I'm gonna need a Chinese guy to go in undercover,

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right because they'll all know me. We need to find

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someone who you know, isn't known as a cop. So

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they go to the police academy and they pick out

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this kid. This is his name, Uh, Harry right, Harry Young.

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or something like that. It's it's a fake name. He

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even says, like, my Chinese name's too complicated. And you

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know they pick him up. He's not even a full

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police officer yet. So one of my and I figured

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you and I would have an interesting conversation about this one.

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The scene where they meet this kid is at the

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qualification range where you see the greatest old timey Hollywood

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like pistol shooting. You can imagine it's just so it's

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so good when they're well. Another thing is is I

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love how they they shot it to go down the

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line and he's literally like a head shorter than everyone else.

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And so you have all these guys who are there

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and they're all, you know, they're like, I guess proto

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tactical because police weren't really tactical back then.

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Speaker 1: That that that came much later. And then they show

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him shooting the target. He's nowhere near the nowhere near

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the center of the target. It's like, oh, we're gonna

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throw this guy out of the street. And it's just

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I mean, it's it was at least the other movie

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that did this where they went into the police academy

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was The Untouchables. They went got Andy Garcia out of

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the police academy and everything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, weapons got another one, right, very famous range scene.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, and so Andy, yeah, Andy Garcia comes in.

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But at least he could shoot. I mean, you knew

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that they were. And when they're driving in the car,

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when they picked this kid up and they tell them

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what he's going to be doing, his reaction is just

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a bad He doesn't care that this guy's a police captain.

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I mean, the way they're talking to each other is

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just it's just like the do It's like Samino to

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all them of just like talk to each other like you,

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I mean, be as belligerent to each other as possible.

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Speaker 2: Well and to that point, like his objections are so

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hilarious because he's like, all right, I still have a

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part time job. You want me to quit my job?

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Like I'm sending money back home? Like you think I

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could just quit And he's just like, yeah, quit your

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job tomorrow, you work for us. But the side part,

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and it's kind of funny because this movie has a

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very very slight fig leaf where it's like, oh, Officer

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White had to learn to not be racist a little bit.

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But it's it's a really really little fig leaf because

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when they're driving around, It've got this young kid driving

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and he is a horrible driver in the middle of.

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Speaker 1: The left plane, stay in the left lane, and.

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Speaker 2: These guys are making fun of him for the whole time.

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He's getting more and more bad. It's just like genuinely

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a ridiculous situation. Uh So, in the background, while all

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this is happening, the two shooters right, both of whom

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have been been wounded in this assassination attempt, are are

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kind of hold up in a safe house and we

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hear Officer White even say like, look if they're wounded,

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it's gonna be real hard to hide. You know. They'll

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show up in hospital or something. And we see a

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scene where are our main villain, right, Johnny Tye comes in,

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you know, offers these guys cigarettes.

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Speaker 1: Joey Tye be respectful.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'll I'll be honest. This isn't me making a point.

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Names and faces are tough in this movie, That's all.

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I'll say, Uh, what is you? What is you? Sex me?

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Speaker 1: Earlier? He sexed me. My biggest complaint with this movie

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is I can't tell half the cast apart.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's true, because what would happen is there be

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a dramatic reveal where like the camerawood pan and be like, oh,

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it's him. There's a sting and I'm sitting as it.

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H'm like, we do we know who that is? Is

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that him or just? And it doesn't help that even

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the main romantic lead has a very androgynous haircut, so

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unless it's a close up, you're kind of guessing based

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on contact of who anyone is. Uh. And obviously there

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are some characters who are much more visually distinct than others,

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but also the fact that everyone's especially the criminals are

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dressed like lunatics at all moments, right, It's actually pretty

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hard to tell. So point is when Ty comes in, obviously,

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he gives these guys cigarettes, ask how they're doing, and

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then you know, brings in a guy to shoot them.

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Is the guy who shot them a notable person or

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is he just the guy who pulled the trigger, because

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I couldn't remember if that was or I couldn't tell

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if that was another character or not.

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Speaker 1: I think that the if I remember the original VCR

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had subtitles on that point, and he was like a

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new guy, and they were, Okay, we gotta, we gotta,

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you know, break him in, so you're gonna kill these

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two guys, and that's okay, that makes sense. Very he's

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very hesitant when he's doing it. He doesn't want to

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do what you can tell. He's not like he's he

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hasn't killed anybody yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, subtitles are one hundred percent necessary for this movie

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because there's probably like thirty percent of it that's in Chinese,

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and hypothetically, if you watched the movie through an illegitimate source,

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your subtitles might not have been great. Speaking from experience,

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so there are several ports of this movie where I'm like,

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I feel like I got what happened. But uh so, yeah,

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obviously we see that, you know, just ties absolute uh

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absolute ruthlessness there and uh later when we kind of

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pick up with uh with Officer White, he's he's discovered

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their bodies, and their bodies have been dumped in like

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a noodle factory. It's super gross.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a I think they said it was a

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soybean vat or something like that where yeah, right, had

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soybeans where yeah, so and they said something like, oh

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we wouldn't. I'm surprised we discovered it. They could have

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gotten lost down there forever. It's like, well, what the

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hell's going on in Shine Town? It's like, what are

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you talking about. You're supposed to be making food down there.

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How do you have bodies in a vat? You're not

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gonna know that. It's like they're good to the top.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is one of my favorite background characters is

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the old Chinese guy who discovered these He's just while

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the while they're doing the examination, while you the police officers,

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like it was kind of like examining these bodies. And again,

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as we mentioned before, the violence is crazy over the top,

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like these guys have like bullet holes in their head.

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One of the weird ones is a lot of people

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get shot through the cheek in this movie. Yeah, which

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is face. Yeah, it's you know it. It is what

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it is. But he's just going on about how young

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people these days don't have no respect and how they

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don't think, like no interruption. He's just rattling off like

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lot minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's hilarious, and Stanley finally goes, you're He says, you're

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a good man. There should be more like you. And

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he turns around and just goes bullshit. It's like what

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And Stanley just looks at him, like what the hell

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is going on here? He says he's been working down

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there for forty years. I mean that is to bring

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it back. You're talking about a fucking This is not

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a civilization. This is not what what have you imported?

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What have you allowed to come here? You know? And

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like one thing that Joey says at one point is

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extortion and bribery when it comes to the Chinese is

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a thousand years is a thousand years of business?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so oh, where do you want to go

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from there? I mean there's a there's a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So in the kind of you know, secondary plot,

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h our main character has you know, to sort of

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patch things up with the misses, uh and says, you

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know what, like, we'll go out to a fancy restaurant, right,

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And this restaurant is seemingly owned by Joey Tye, or

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at least he's in there, and so he basically sits down,

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he's late for a date with his wife, sees Joey

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Tye and just goes apient. He just starts punching him

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and as part of that, a pack of cigarettes is

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I think he offers him a cigarette before the you

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know that the fight breaks out, and h he realizes

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that's the same brand that the guys in the Soyvat had,

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you know, so he's sort of starting to build the

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connection there, and you know, that seems funny in its

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own right. But when he comes back, you know, his

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wife is stormed out, she's gone. He comes back to

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their place and all of these clothes are just out

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in the front yard. She's done with him. So he

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basically gets drunk, drives down the street, finds this reporter.

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It just starts harassing her from a moving car. She

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invites him back to her place. He comes over, they

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like kiss for a little bit, and she's like, yeah,

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I can't do this. I've got my uh you know,

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I always just you know, making love with my boyfriend

468
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:03,720
all day. She just loses it, right because this fake

469
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,599
boyfriend we later find out he's fake, is a lawyer,

470
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,279
and she starts going off about lawyers, how there everything

471
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,519
wrong with society. She gets bad, he gets bad. He leaves,

472
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,200
walks out the door, walks back in the door, walks in,

473
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,519
still laps her in the face like four times, and

474
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,039
then you know, they go to bed together. And again,

475
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,079
this is what I'm talking about for this movie. It

476
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,240
never slows down, and it's like zero to sixty in

477
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,759
no time flat. Right.

478
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that whole the whole dynamic with the uh the

479
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:49,440
Chinese reporter is is probably if I wasn't so immune

480
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,720
to charges of racism and stuff like that, I would

481
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,799
just say that's the most over the top thing in

482
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:59,240
the whole movie, because it's like, I mean, she's she's

483
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,119
literally he's literally just treating her like a Vietnamese prostitute

484
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:09,200
the whole time, the whole movie, and it's like, and

485
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,799
I think even she even says that. At one point,

486
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,599
she says it makes a comment about him not still

487
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,240
not being in Vietnam. You know, I'm not, I'm not

488
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:21,799
I'm not a hooker in Vietnam and everything, and it's

489
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,279
just like you're looking at this dynamic, and the dynamic

490
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,319
is basically he's using her. When she says anything that

491
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:34,880
insults him, he just absolutely loses it. And then what

492
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,519
Leo like, later he finds out that she's been hurt,

493
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,640
and he's not mad that she got hurt. He's mad

494
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,160
that like a piece of my property you messed with,

495
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,640
Like you messed with a tool that I'm using for

496
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,079
my job, and now it's like I'm not gonna be

497
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:55,920
able to use this tool anymore. He's so insane. It's

498
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,680
just you realize, like you start to realize at one

499
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,359
point we'll talk about that that point. There's a there's

500
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,440
a marker in the movie that shows where he like

501
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,039
like where everything starts escalating in his mind. So, yeah,

502
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:20,640
the the Chinese Reporter is just honestly the most offensive

503
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,920
character in the whole movie.

504
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: Well, and there's a there's a seed, which again is

505
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,519
so over the top it's like the second time he

506
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,680
ends up in her place where she's like, you know,

507
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,599
oh you're you know, you're a racist, and he gets

508
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,319
like kind of offended for a little bit, but then

509
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:39,039
he's like, yeah, I hated you in Vietnam. I hated

510
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,079
and he's not talking about her, he is talking about Charlie.

511
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,359
Well we'll keep it at that, right, So and he

512
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,599
goes on this insane rant where he's like, yeah, I

513
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,920
hated you on TV. I hated the first time I

514
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,079
heard you. I hated the first time I saw you.

515
00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,400
It's the most like insane, over the top rant possible,

516
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,400
and she's kind of bothered but also not really, which

517
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:10,119
you know, if you've been around right wing people before,

518
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,680
you will have seen this dynamic right as a wide

519
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,559
man would have said, never ask a white nationalist the

520
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:22,079
race of his girlfriend. Uh. But it is not only

521
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,839
in that dynamic over the top, but there are other

522
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:26,920
moments will get too, kind of closer to the end

523
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,000
of the film, where it's just for rating her constantly.

524
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,720
Uh So there's sort of a a the one time

525
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,279
we really leave Oh, actually, I guess first we have

526
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:49,799
to have this is his uh, the conversation with the

527
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,880
Italian mob's guy with you know, Joey Tie, and basically

528
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,319
what they're he is with you know, kind of the

529
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,680
other members of the Chinese mafia. He is on paper,

530
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,720
sort of a junior partner. But through this conversation and

531
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:06,279
his actions of the film, we realize what's going on here. Right.

532
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:11,680
He wants to take over, and basically they're renegotiating a

533
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,920
deal between these Italian guys and an earlier generation of

534
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,039
you know, kind of triad guys and you know, Ties

535
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:26,400
strong arming them. The Italian guy. So one of the

536
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,240
kind of background henchmen is this sort of like like

537
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000
he looks like a character from a black exploitation film, right,

538
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,200
he's just kind of ties hired muscle, but he's got

539
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,559
like an afro. He dresses kind of like a pimp.

540
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,799
He's got a bunch of rings on, and you'll have

541
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,960
to watch it for yourself. I can't say this on YouTube,

542
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,359
but the Italian guys refer to him is equally over

543
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,079
the top. But as I said earlier, the mobster he

544
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:56,440
has the voice box, right, the traggy activity, and I

545
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,519
think that's how you say it. But point is, it's

546
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,920
just like the best gangster speech ever delivered through a

547
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,079
little like speak and spell. It's hilarious.

548
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh, the having to include the Italians is

549
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,759
really is really important if you're going to talk about

550
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:19,000
New York because maybe a lot of people don't understand

551
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,200
the geography of New York. But the Chinese are in

552
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:30,039
Chinatown and Canal Street runs across across Manhattan Island and

553
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:34,640
Mott Street and Chinatown are on the south side of

554
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,440
the island. Just right over Mott Street on the other

555
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,119
side of Mott Street is little Italy Carmine Street. Places

556
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,720
like that. I mean, they're right next to each other.

557
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,559
There's just one big avenue separating them. So they have

558
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,279
to have a if they're going to be able to

559
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:56,880
do business, there has to be some kind of truce.

560
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:03,400
There has to be some kind of some kind of understanding.

561
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:10,480
And if you're going to say, well, we had this,

562
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:15,039
you know, we've had this agreement with you talking to

563
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:19,440
the Italian mob for X amount of years and really

564
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:23,280
X amount of decades and now I'm changing it, and

565
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:26,199
you're going to have the kind of attitude that Joey

566
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Tie has that he knows more than them. He's the

567
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,440
young guy. He understands everything. You're going to expect to

568
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,199
You're going to expect an Italian guy, even one who's

569
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,440
had a tracheotomy or something. I don't even know what

570
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,639
that is. Even a guy with that, he's going to

571
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,239
you're going to hear it. And especially after that the

572
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,480
assassination at the beginning of that Jewish business store owner,

573
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,519
You're you're basically taking out that's one stream of income

574
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,639
gone now and and you have to be they're going

575
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:07,599
to see that this is the Italians aren't stupid enough

576
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,639
to think that that was just gangs. They're going to

577
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,519
know something is going on. So that's how they went

578
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,960
into that meeting. They went into that meeting that knowing

579
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,119
that someone's making a move. And you know it was

580
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,719
when I think once he starts seeing the way Joey

581
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,840
Tai talks and speaks to them, that yeah, this is uh,

582
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,800
this is a guy who's basically pulling the strings right now.

583
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:37,519
Speaker 2: So next we have kind of a diversion right where

584
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:42,840
in order to secure his supply, Ti needs to go

585
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,800
back to Thailand, which is where this heroin is coming from.

586
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,519
There are you know, triad figures there who he has,

587
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,760
you know, deal with, And then there's also this sort

588
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,000
of like group of gorillas. It's never explicitly said, you

589
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:58,559
know who they are? Apparently they were fighting with the Burmese.

590
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:01,239
Maybe we can ask Carl Dahl who they're supposed to be.

591
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,039
I don't know, jungle Asians who hate the Burmese, right,

592
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,800
But point is, so he goes back to Thailand. He's

593
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,199
got his hired muscle with him, which, again it's a

594
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,920
very funny, like it's never explicitly drawn attention to, but

595
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:20,960
seeing this sort of like stereotypical New York pimp walking

596
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,320
through like rice patties in the middle of nowhere is

597
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,920
really funny. So he goes back and he meets with

598
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,280
this guy called It's white Powder Tow.

599
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

600
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: Uh, look, man, I'm American enough that any Asian name,

601
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,119
I'm lucky to get half of it. So he goes

602
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,119
back right to sort of work on his deal with

603
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,920
with this guy, at least so we think. So he's

604
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,320
meeting with one of his associates, meets up with Ma

605
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,760
and then we see, you know, he says, hey, you know,

606
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,840
let's meet for dinner, and then the film moves on.

607
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,320
They're driving in this kind of like absurd rickety four

608
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,840
by four out to the middle of nowhere. Him and

609
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000
his kind of jive muscle like slumped in the seat

610
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:09,000
next to him. They're going around like like water buffalo

611
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:12,800
and stuff. And they get out to this rebel camp

612
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,920
out in the middle of nowhere. You later find out

613
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,039
it's like five hundred miles away from you know, the airport.

614
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,760
And you know, apparently these two guys have history. They

615
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,320
both served under the same general. Right, the general we

616
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,679
see who is Senisle and just on a constant drip

617
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,199
of heroin, right, his mind is basically gone.

618
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,639
Speaker 1: And kind of disturbing too. Yeah, No, it's definitely it

619
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,280
was very disturbed. Very that's when you start seeing the

620
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,599
deer Hunter, like the disturbing parts of the deer Hunter

621
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,239
and the jungle kind of stuff come out.

622
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I don't know if you notice he has

623
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,960
like completely black teeth, like they're just rotted out of

624
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:51,320
his head.

625
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

626
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: And so you know he sits down across from this

627
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:59,679
general and you know they're talking business. They're sort of

628
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,159
to go siating, you know, back and forth over the

629
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:06,039
details of Obviously the the general wants more money. He says,

630
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,599
you know what, will we'll refine it to an additional

631
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,519
stage for you ship you refined product. You're gonna have

632
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:15,519
to pay for it. Uh, you know, tie disagrees, and

633
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:19,800
again this kind of repeated you know motif of basically

634
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,360
you know, being for or being kind of encouraged to

635
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,119
kill someone to prove a point. The General brings out

636
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,559
you know that this mentor and says like, all right,

637
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,199
like you know, you've got to shoot him. He passes

638
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,199
the gun down the desk and obviously, you know, tie

639
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,760
Is has been shown to be completely and totally ruthless,

640
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,800
but we see a rare moment of conscience where he

641
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,320
basic says like, now I'm not going to do it,

642
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,440
but I'll pay you five grand for it, right, I'll

643
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,760
buy him. And you know, after that, the negotiations kind

644
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,320
of go south. He basically says like, look like you're insignificant.

645
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,639
I've got you know, white powder, mo, what what do

646
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:58,599
I need you? And he reaches into his back, pulls

647
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,960
out a box and holds out white power mods ahead

648
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,480
by the hair and like the rows it down the table.

649
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh.

650
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: Actually, one other thing speaking of this movie, going from

651
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,119
from like zero to sixty, when he refuses to shoot him,

652
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:17,280
the General's like, okay, well we don't need to waste

653
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,159
a bullet on him. So they tie him to a

654
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,719
stick in the back, and one of his goons has

655
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,800
like a tree branch and he's about ready to smash

656
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,199
his head in with a stick.

657
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. The it just goes to show that he at

658
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:42,280
that point, anyone who really knows anything about organized crime, government,

659
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,599
same thing, he's so out of control that there's no

660
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,239
way he's gonna be able to pull this back. And

661
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,960
he's trying to kill he's trying to consolidate everything to himself,

662
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,920
and he just as smart as he is, he just

663
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,719
you can't that with that culture. You know, it's like

664
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,960
people who it's like getting rid of Saddam Hussein. Okay,

665
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:14,800
Saddam Hussein kept that country basically from like evolving into

666
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,239
people could say whatever, Oh as kids went around doing

667
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,119
this and doing that. Okay, maybe I don't know ever

668
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,239
really seen any evidence of that. It it could be legend,

669
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,199
it could be if they were I hope they're burned

670
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,159
in hell. If they were doing that, I hope they're

671
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,599
burn it in hell. But you have to have a

672
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:36,280
certain order in order for certain cultures to be able

673
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:43,599
to exist and to be to be prosperous. I mean,

674
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:47,880
look at Singapore. If Singapore wasn't the most totalitary, one

675
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,760
of the most totalitarian countries on the planet, they would

676
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,199
devolve into chaos overnight. You have Chinese and Japanese. I mean,

677
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,079
you have all these Asian groups that absolutely hate each other.

678
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,360
There is no better racism on the planet than the

679
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,880
racism between Asian groups. They absolutely cannot stand each other.

680
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:11,079
And you just see Joey is just devolving into this.

681
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,320
He thinks that he's going to be able to rule

682
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,440
this all by himself with a couple of gangs on

683
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,199
the street. He doesn't have any plans, there is no

684
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,360
It's very much like a lot of politicians you see nowadays.

685
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,239
They get things rolling, but they don't have an end

686
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,480
Like they think they have an endgame, but the endgame

687
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,159
is cannot be had the way they're playing it. And yeah,

688
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,760
I think that's why when Joey gets back to New York,

689
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,000
I think you see a sense of urgency there, a

690
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:54,400
sense of he's not the calm guy he is the

691
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,679
first half of the movie before he goes to Thailand.

692
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: And one of the scenes that I forgot to mention

693
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,239
that is important is that when Joey is sitting down

694
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,079
with the Italians. Our main character, right, Mickey Rourke has

695
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,280
successfully gotten the ability to wire tap it. So they're

696
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,960
listening it and the higher ups are like, there's nothing

697
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,559
in this conversation. They didn't say anything illegal. They're speaking

698
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,639
in code. There's nothing here, right, you're just making it up.

699
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,519
So you know, of course, when he gets back, the

700
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,440
pressure's mounted. You know, the higher ups are saying telling

701
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:39,440
him to drop it. He's unwilling to and so as

702
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,000
you know, obviously he's been seeing this Chinese reporter even

703
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,320
though his wife kind of kicked him out. When they finally,

704
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,559
you know, meet back up, right, she basically says like,

705
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,000
I'm done. You know, you're running around with a woman

706
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,320
who's ten years younger. I don't have much time. I

707
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,360
can't afford to go waste it on you. And lest

708
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,000
you think that is going to be a scene where

709
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,039
two characters talk without something interesting happening, she goes into

710
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,360
the bathroom. He's talking to her through the door, She's crying,

711
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,159
and then all of a sudden, more sort of random

712
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,400
New wave Asians kick down the door with garroats and

713
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:24,880
grab Mickey Rourke grab his wife very brutally kill his wife.

714
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,760
He you know, fights one of them off, shoots him,

715
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,840
you know, goes into the drawer, picks out a gun,

716
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,079
chases him out the front door, and shoots him through

717
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,679
the rear glass. Like he sees brains all over the

718
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,119
front and his childhood best friend apparently lives next door.

719
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,519
He runs out with a shotgun, right and as they're

720
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,599
chasing down this little side street, the f body, the

721
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,480
f body, Kamara I think, hits the end of the block.

722
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,280
It just erupts into an explosion can full on eighties

723
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,360
car explosion and.

724
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 1: Sorry well and making Rourke like runs to the explosions.

725
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,599
It pulled the body out while his while his friend

726
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,639
is like Stanley, Stanley, stop, you can't what are you doing?

727
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,679
Because he's wasted what you can do? So he's evidence,

728
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,840
he's evidence.

729
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: And again there are multiple parts like this movie's not

730
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,960
a comedy, Like there's not a lot of jokes in

731
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,639
it per se, but it is really funny. And one

732
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:29,960
of the funniest shots is, you know, he's dragging the

733
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,440
body over and he's like bent over and picks himself

734
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:37,880
up out of the bottom of the shot. He's like smoking,

735
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,480
covered in soot, like his jacket's on fire. It's just

736
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:46,079
a like if the movie were like at a slightly

737
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,199
different tone, it would be like roll out of your

738
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:52,159
seat hilarious, Like it's a very funny movie. Uh.

739
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,199
Speaker 1: One thing I noticed about that scene where he goes

740
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,199
to talk to his wife and they both end up

741
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:01,320
getting attacked and she ends up getting freakin' her throat slit.

742
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,239
He's wearing his he's wearing his military jacket, and he

743
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,280
wears his military jacket for the rest of the movie.

744
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,719
It's almost like a signal that like he's going now

745
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,159
it's war. It's like it's just going to be a

746
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:20,360
battle from here on out. And I thought that was

747
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,280
something I picked up on just I mean, I've probably

748
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,800
seen the movie ten times. I just picked up on

749
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,960
that this last time because I was watching you know,

750
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,199
we're going to do this, So I was watching it

751
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,800
for little things to see if there was anything I

752
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,280
could pick up on. But another thing in this movie,

753
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,760
and I will say this because this movie was made

754
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,880
in It was released in nineteen eighty five, which means

755
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,239
it was made in eighty three or eighty four the Chinese.

756
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:50,519
They keep mentioning their friends in Toronto, so if you

757
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:55,239
think Canada was just invaded by Chinese in the last

758
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,639
ten years, I think again, they're basically telling you in

759
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:05,079
this movie movie forty years ago, and yeah, yeah, Chinese

760
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:11,039
are already taking over Canada. The Chinese are already in Canada.

761
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: The next scene in the nightclub is probably the best

762
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,840
scene in the movie. It's such an awesome scene because obviously,

763
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,599
you know, as you've said, and I did pick out

764
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,480
that he was wearing his military jacket, because when he's

765
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,199
sitting down talking to his wife, you have a chance

766
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,079
to actually look at him, and obviously it's not you know,

767
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,199
it's not his police uniform, it's not his long kind

768
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:34,639
of detective's overcoat. So he's mad, right, He's going after

769
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:39,480
this guy. So he goes into this nightclub, and again,

770
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:42,000
as we've said, this is full on new wave. We've

771
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:46,119
got like dyed hair, crazy makeup, people wearing like fishnets.

772
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,639
And he just walks in and starts beating the hell

773
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,079
out of him, and he drags him into a bathroom.

774
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:56,400
You know, there's bouncers behind him, there's other kind of

775
00:46:56,599 --> 00:47:00,599
you know, criminals following him in there, and in a

776
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,880
very kind of what would be a stock action movie moment.

777
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,800
He's punching him through stall doors in the bathroom, but

778
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,519
every single stall has like four people in it, all

779
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:16,559
doing drugs. It's like every time he punches him through

780
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:19,639
a door, it's like some girl like snorting coke, and

781
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:21,840
there's like a guy in a suit like pulling his

782
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,239
pants up. Like the every it's there's like four stalls,

783
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,760
and you know, eventually like more people come in. Someone

784
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,960
pulls out a gun. It's these two girls. I think,

785
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,880
you know, his one of the other policemen, I think

786
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,159
is running in to bride back up. He gets gut shot,

787
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,679
but you know, our main character basically chases them. They

788
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,119
start booking it out of there. At the club, everything's

789
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:48,559
going crazy, like the music's pounding. He's chasing them through

790
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:53,320
New York. They're trading bullets, and he just flasts this

791
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,559
woman like she gets basically like hit by a car,

792
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,840
spun around. She's lying out like on the on the pavement,

793
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,760
reading or last and he just looked over at her

794
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,960
and I don't know the exact line, but he basically

795
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,159
is like tells her like you're gonna die.

796
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're gonna die, honey. Yeah. Yeah.

797
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: It's so incredibly like it's it's very cold, and I

798
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,639
think it's safe to say that Mickey Rooke's character is

799
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,880
not what we would define as a good person in

800
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,440
this movie, but it is super entertaining.

801
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: The Yeah, the the whole thing with him is is

802
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:39,639
that it's just he's kind of if he's kind of

803
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,880
the idea of the cop that if you have, like

804
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:47,000
a an area of the city that has been absolutely

805
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:50,800
taken over and is being run by a you know,

806
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,800
by a mob, he's the kind of guy who you

807
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,960
would want to go in there and he could get

808
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,840
the job done. Yeah. The problem is is that it's

809
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,639
just decades and decades and decades of people not doing anything.

810
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,320
So nobody wants to the police don't want to do anything,

811
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,119
the mayor doesn't want to do anything, the chief of

812
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,800
police doesn't want to do anything. So he's I mean,

813
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,800
he's making this up as he goes along. He doesn't

814
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,639
really have any idea what he's doing. He's he's basically

815
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:25,000
doing like I said earlier, he's basically doing what Joey's

816
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,119
doing is he's trying to create as much chaos as

817
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,679
he possibly can, and he thinks if he creates enough chaos,

818
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,960
it will be able to bring bring him down. And yeah,

819
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:43,639
and I guess shortly after this is the he figures

820
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:48,119
this is when Joey figures out that there's a wire there,

821
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,920
and he lines up everybody who works in the UH

822
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:55,599
in the restaurant in the kitchen.

823
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, if you're wondering the exact moment,

824
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,239
when I texted you, it was this lineup. He sai,

825
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,199
I'm like, I know, it's like obviously I know that,

826
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,400
like this kid they pulled out, who isn't on screen much.

827
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,199
He's one of the guys in the restaurant, but when

828
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:13,719
they're lining him up until the camera focuses, I was like,

829
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:16,599
I mean, it beats me. I don't know what you

830
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:17,960
want of them ask the wire up?

831
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: And you know it just you see at that point

832
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,960
that Harry cannot he's not ready for the street, he's

833
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,679
not ready for undercover. He can't keep as cool. It's

834
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:35,079
obvious who it's obvious who the outsider is. It's obvious

835
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:41,679
who is who the who's planted the bug. And so

836
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:47,320
after that you see Harry he's leaving the restaurant that

837
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,239
they're in and he's walking across the street and you

838
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,039
see someone run up behind him. Now, I know you're

839
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,840
not really good with Chinese faces, but did you notice

840
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,000
who the who ran up and shot Harry was?

841
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 2: No? I didn't, of course not.

842
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: It was that kid who they page the two kids

843
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,239
in the beginning. Now he's like, now he's like a

844
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,559
full fla. I've killed two people, now I can now

845
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:15,960
I can go kill a cop basically, and he shoots

846
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,239
him in the I mean he shoots him in the

847
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,119
face like a couple of times. He shoots him like

848
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,039
it might be a through and through through the cheeks,

849
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:24,880
both cheeks, but I mean, it's just fucked up. And

850
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,800
like we find out that Stanley is just like right

851
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,280
down the street because that's where they're running the wire

852
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,199
from and everything. And he runs up to get the UH,

853
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,400
to get the information from him because it turns out

854
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,840
that Harry's UH found out where how the uh the

855
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,519
opium the heroine's coming in.

856
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: Well, and this is I forgot to mention this. One

857
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,920
of the best background characters in this whole film is

858
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,320
the person translating what they're hearing over the wire. It's

859
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,079
two nuns, one of whom is Chinese. The other one's

860
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:01,119
like a ninety year old woman and the way we were

861
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:06,400
introduced to her is she's just harassing Mickey Rourke for

862
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,159
eating meat. And then he's like like, what you're old,

863
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:11,880
You're gonna die soon, and she just rattles off like

864
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,639
all of her like her blood pressure, her hemoglobin, like

865
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:19,239
all this stuff. Just a very funny background character. And

866
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,519
every time they're on the and it's, you know, like

867
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:24,159
you've seen this scene before. It's the hard boiled detectives.

868
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,960
You the signal cuts in there like gosh shit, and

869
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,519
then he looks over to the call sorry sister, but

870
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,559
she obviously in the very dramatic moment, but she is

871
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:38,320
there reading last rites. Well, he's trying to get you know,

872
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,880
from this from this guy with the wire, you know,

873
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,559
basically you know, the information like what boat is the

874
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:49,159
heroine coming in on? So in between I should have

875
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,599
mentioned this. I saw this movie, like I finished it,

876
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,639
you know, a couple hours ago, so to be fair,

877
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,840
I have a few things out of order. But we

878
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,239
find out that again, you know, White has been using

879
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,760
this Chinese reporter and the moment where she's finally done

880
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,079
with him is she comes back to her place after

881
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,079
he's invited himself over and realizes that he has set

882
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:13,639
up a full like investigation in her house, like there's

883
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:16,159
other people she doesn't know, including this kid who is

884
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,360
you know, killed for wearing no wire another kind of

885
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,000
like old timey h New York cop and they have

886
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:26,480
a massive blowout where she kicks him out. But one

887
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,840
of the funniest interactions is an interaction between you know

888
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,639
him and the kid where he's basically, you can't treat

889
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:36,639
her like that, like she's her family were aristocrats, Like

890
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:40,760
she's not gonna put up with that. Then he decides

891
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,599
to quit. He's like, you can't. You can't just keep

892
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:47,360
calling me like Harry the Chinaman. Apparently that doesn't like Rourke,

893
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,719
kind of gets him back on side again. This movie

894
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,039
is just constant racism throughout the whole thing. The point

895
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:59,960
is so for in his his dying words, he under

896
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,679
stands like, Okay, this is where you know, this is

897
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,280
the ship that it's coming in on. And his Chinese

898
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:11,960
girlfriend has kicked him out. But because she is in

899
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:17,039
on the investigation, she goes after, she goes after Johnny, right,

900
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,119
she knows extra information and so she's bugging. He's trying

901
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,679
to get into this, you know Mercedes and she's like,

902
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,639
why were you in Thailand? Do you know anything about

903
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:28,679
white powder? Ma? And he basically says like, oh, I

904
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,400
know your sources. I'll speak to legal And what he

905
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,519
actually does is send a bunch of thugs over to

906
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,519
you know, rough her up, right, And that goes back

907
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,599
to what we were talking about earlier, right where you know,

908
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:46,320
White is more upset that his ability to use her

909
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,280
as part of this investigation has been harmed than the

910
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,639
fact that this woman has been like, you know, pretty

911
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,800
savagely abused, which again, right, think you weren't just he's

912
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,599
playing a psycho in this. Actually one thing forgot, speaking

913
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,239
of Mickey Rourke chewing the scenery is his ex wife's funeral.

914
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: It was so that part is so over the top, Okay,

915
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:20,199
so I don't know. It's one of the parts of

916
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:23,159
the movie that like bothers me, not like it's like

917
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,440
I wouldn't have done it. Where he's there trying to

918
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:30,880
grieve and the Chinese reporter is like there at the door,

919
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,280
like trying to report on what's happening, but also looking

920
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,719
at him grieving and having being sort of upset that

921
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,039
he's grieving over someone that he's you know, over his

922
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,239
wife and someone he's known since they were like little kids.

923
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,719
And she yeah that, like I said, she's like my

924
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,360
least favorite character in the movie. And at that point

925
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,440
she is exceptionally annoying, and it's just like, yeah, can

926
00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:01,719
we just please Joey kill her any plays, let's get

927
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,639
her out of the way.

928
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: So we're building to write this big crescendo, write the showdown.

929
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:13,519
And he goes and talks to the port authority. They're

930
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,840
having none of it, not interested. They're like, what do

931
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,320
you want me to do? You're search an entire container ship.

932
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,920
We don't have the time, you don't have a living

933
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,960
witness to attest to this, so, you know, pound sand

934
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:31,280
and so basically, with no real support, Mickey Rourke goes in.

935
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:35,519
And this is not he is not looking to arrest

936
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:39,599
anyone here. He is looking to kill Joey. And so

937
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:46,400
again more over the top like craziness. Joey's driving in right,

938
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:48,920
you know, we see him talking to some other guys.

939
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,079
Speaker 1: When he gets in the car with his pimp buddy.

940
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And as he goes to like circle the

941
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,559
block or something, maybe Rourke gets into like a sixty

942
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:02,159
mile an hour head on collision, comes out with a gun,

943
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:05,800
tells the you know, the pimp to beat it, and

944
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,639
then they get into a fight. Someone's hand gets blown open,

945
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,079
like right through the middle of the pall the gore

946
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,159
in this. If you're the kind of psycho that you

947
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,320
know is into that is really good. Like they're doing

948
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,559
good practical effects in this. And they just start he

949
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:27,519
just starts chasing him. They're going down train tracks. And

950
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:29,800
I don't want to say it's the most over the

951
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,239
top moment in the movie, but it's gotta be pretty

952
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:35,800
close the climac the way that this fight concludes. Do

953
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,320
you want to describe it, Pete.

954
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,239
Speaker 1: Well, first they start, Joey starts trying to drive across

955
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,280
a train bridge, of course, and and and Mickey Rourke

956
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,159
is chasing behind him, and of course the train starts

957
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:52,159
coming so that he has to back all the way up.

958
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,159
And then they he jumps out of the car. They

959
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:57,679
jump out of the car, and now Joey starts running

960
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,719
across the bridge. Mickey Rourke is shoe now with his

961
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,960
left hand because he just had his right hand shot

962
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:08,079
all the way through. And they're just shooting at each

963
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,599
other and they're screaming at each other, and they're like,

964
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,840
they're like they've gone fucking native. They're just like they're

965
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,000
not even human anymore in the way they're screaming at

966
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,599
each other. And you know, finally he gets the better

967
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:30,519
of Joey even though he's been shot. And then I mean,

968
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,280
did you expect Joey to do exactly what he did? Oh,

969
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:37,519
by the way, Mickey Rourke, of course has a desert eagle.

970
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

971
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:45,519
Speaker 1: It's it's like, were you carrying that? What are you

972
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:46,480
doing here? No?

973
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:52,159
Speaker 2: No, no, very serious green berets. When they plan a

974
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:56,440
bombing of Trump Tower and a tesla full of fireworks,

975
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:01,519
they use desert eagles, you know, a very serious.

976
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:04,119
Speaker 1: Gun because he must have got that from Joey tie.

977
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:08,199
Because that's when they're standing, they're like on their knees

978
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,719
looking at each other, and Joey asked for his gun

979
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,159
because he's had a bullet, and Joey just puts it

980
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:17,760
under his chin and blows the top of his fucking

981
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:18,360
head off.

982
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: And that's yeah.

983
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: And then you we see that they're doing the same

984
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,239
thing that they always do in Shinatown. They're having a

985
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,000
walking they're having their kind of funeral thing where they

986
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,199
have his.

987
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 2: Story back to the beginning of the film.

988
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just exactly the way the film started.

989
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:43,719
And the reporter is they're covering it and fucking Stanley

990
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,480
shows up, runs into the fucking crowd of people and

991
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:50,199
just we have to arrest these people. I mean, he's

992
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,800
just losing his shit and they just start beating the

993
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,920
lifting hell.

994
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,199
Speaker 2: Out of.

995
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the freaking reporter. Like finally, I think she

996
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,800
were supposed to believe that she tore everybody off of

997
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,880
him while he's on the ground, and you know, they

998
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:19,559
they walk away together off into the rising sunset. And

999
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,360
another thing is like her last line is Stanley, You're

1000
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:28,039
really cracked. It's just such a terrible, like B movie

1001
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,960
kind of eighties line. This is another reason why, God,

1002
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,199
I hate her character so much. But I mean, her

1003
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,519
character is important to the whole plot. But do you

1004
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:37,800
have something on the ending there?

1005
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously this is a really fun movie,

1006
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,039
and we talked about a lot of what happened. There's

1007
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:48,679
things that we didn't just for the sake of time,

1008
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:51,920
and also, like you know, if you wanted to understand

1009
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,280
the plot of the movie in over an hour watch

1010
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,719
the movie, you know, don't listen to two guys talking

1011
01:00:56,719 --> 01:00:59,719
about it. But obviously you have the element that this

1012
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,800
is this is cyclical, right, Chinatown is still there. You

1013
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,039
know that the forces that created you know, this whole

1014
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:11,199
situation are still there. Yeah, this this guy, you know, Tie,

1015
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,519
he burned out. But it's just like that, like it

1016
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:18,920
is cyclical. You know, despite all of Mickey Rourke's efforts,

1017
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,239
nothing systemic.

1018
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,639
Speaker 1: Somebody's saying, somebody's taking over the hope that the opium

1019
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:25,760
is still going to be coming in, the girls are

1020
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,840
still going to be prostituted, and the gambling is going

1021
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,440
to continue. Nothing is going to change.

1022
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: And apparently there is no stronger bond between a mentally

1023
01:01:36,159 --> 01:02:03,599
unhinged racist and his non white girlfriend. The mactagary divimtagary.

1024
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,119
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