Speaker 1: The mafia. When they want to take action with regard
to people, they never do it themselves, and they never
do it, so they're going to be investigated. The best
example is Oswald, because I've been able to prove in
the book a relationship there with them, which Dorothy found
out about a connection there. And so when you know
he can't let JFK become president anymore, he goes ahead
and he implements this strategy of getting read of JFK
using I believe two shooters from Europe that he brought in,
and then using Oswald as a patsy.
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Speaker 3: Welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial Survival Network.
I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Next guest somebody who really
has done amazing work throughout his life, a person who, well,
if you wanted to call him, an investigative bloodhound. That
would be an understatement. Mark Shaw is with us. Mark,
You've written so many books. Your latest book is out
and well, Abuse of Power. You just keep pumping them out.
It's amazing how many of these books have you written?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Well, I started with you know, I'm a former criminal
defense lawyer. So I was first of all a criminal
defense lawyer, and then after a few too many times
of being involved with high profile murder cases, I decided
to do something else. I end up as a legal
analyst on the networks with OJ and Kobe Bryant and
Mike Tyson and all of that, and started then to
think about writing books. The first book was actually about
the Mike Tyson trial because I was there right in
that courtroom and it happened, and I was really dissatisfied
with what happened to Tyson. I didn't feel like the
evidence was there to convict him, and so I wrote
a book called Down for the Count. And I think,
like you, with the many books you've written, I'm amazed
at what you've done, too, wrote I like the process.
I like the investigative party part part of it of
looking and finding the evidence like a detective would or
a prosecutor would, or whatever defensive lawyer would or whatever.
I liked the process, and so I started in writing books,
and there were a number of them that were done.
I wrote some books that you know, some people got
upset with, for sure. But everything changed when I found
out a book about a woman named Dorothy Kilgallan, who
I believe you're familiar with because your your parents named
you after Dorothy's son, Carrie, and I think that's when
we first got in touch with each other years ago.
And it's amazing because what knowing about Dorothy did for me.
There are now seven This will be the seventh Abuse
of Power, seventh book that touches on Dorothy kill Gallen
JFK and now RFK, and it's been quite a journey
because one book leads to the other. The first one
that happened, actually the name of Dorothy kill Gallen came up,
and I didn't know that it would. I practiced law,
and maybe you'll know this name with a rather controversial
criminal defense lawyer. And more than that, you know a
lawyer who sued all the pharmaceutical companies and everybody else
named Melvin Belly, of course, and he was a San
Francisco attorney and I practiced law actually with him in
the nineteen eighties. He had a building up on Montgomery Street.
I was just up near there the other day, and
he and I got to be pretty close friends. Had
an office in that building. He took me to the
Major League Baseball All Star Game in his Rolls Royce.
But he was a bigger than life character. He was
mostly known at the time for suing all the pharmaceutical
companies he got to some of the first was.
Speaker 4: That he was ahead of his time there and he got.
Speaker 1: Some of the first million dollar verdicts and everything else
like that. But when bell I died in nineteen ninety six,
I decided to write a book about him because, get this,
he had written two autobiographies, but they conflicted. This was
his own story, So I yeah, So I decided to
write a book, and that became Melvin Belly. King of
the Court, was published in two thousand and seven, I believe.
And I talked about the things that really interested me
with him, especially him being a mafia want to bee.
Bell I loved the mafia, and I knew that when
I was a friend of his, he would go to
Las Vegas and hang out with him. His main client
me Cohen, who was a Los Angeles West Coast gangster,
and that'll play into when we're going to talk about
the Robert Kennedy assassination. But bell I really loved the mafia,
and as one of his friends said, the mafia loved him.
So I wrote that book about him, and then I
was going to quit. But it really bothered me that
bell I represented Jack Ruby, and we'll talk about that
in a little bit, the guy who shot Lee Harvey Oswell.
But I was very interested in how bell I and
the mafia had anything to do with the nineteen sixty election.
And since you're a historian like me, and in fact,
in this book there's three two crime murder mysteries that
we'll go into. But the first one came about because
I learned that the nineteen sixty election, Joe Kennedy wanted
to be or may remember president of the United States.
He was ambassador a Great Britain and unfortunately, yeah, Joe
made a friend of Adolf Hitler. So when he got
back in the United States, his reputation was tarnished and
he couldn't run for president. And so Joe said, and
this has been documented in my books and others, Okay,
if I can't be president, then first, well we'll be
Joe Kennedy Junior, but he got killed in the war.
Then it'll be Jack Kennedy. Then it'll play Bobby Kennedy.
Then it'll be Teddy Kennon Kennedy. But the key to
all of that, you got to win the election in
nineteen sixty and he knew as he got closer and
closer that JFK was going to lose that election. So
Joe called in some of his underworld character he knew
from his bootlegging days and stuff like that, Sam g
and Kanna, Carlos Marcello, SnO Trofa, Connie, some of these
people and said, all right, look, you help us win
the election and we will leave you alone. And unfortunately
they did help him win the election. But on the
very day that they were in office, Bobby Kennedy was
appointed Attorney General and he went after the mob. He
went after several of those individuals, but especially this guy
named Carlos marcel You know, Bobby Kennedy hated the mafia,
and he and Jack at Kennedy had hearings to try
to weed out the mafia and do something about it.
But the real key to almost everything that happened Carrie
is this book Enemy, the Enemy Within. And Bobby Kennedy
wrote this book in nineteen sixty one. And if you
can imagine some of the things that he said about
the mafia in that book, just think about and you know,
you can't mess around with those guys. He wrote, their sleek,
often bilious and fat, or lean and cold and hard.
They have the smooth faces and cruel eyes of gangsters.
They wear the same rich clothes, the diamond ring, the
jeweled watch, the strong, sickly smelling, sweet smelling perfume. So
you can imagine what their thoughts were about him. But
then as his first act as Attorney General, he illegally
sent Carlos Marcelo, deported him to the wilds of Central
America and tricked him into going an immigration office in
New Orleans. And we'll talk about who Marcelo was, but
you can't mess around with those guys. And so he
sent Marcellan to New Orleans. Marcello got back on the
unit United States. And because I was a former criminal
defense lawyer, I look a motive. And so when Marcello
gets back in the United States and he was one
of the most dangerous mobsters in the United States. He
controlled all of the rackets, the prostitution, the gaming, everything
in New Orleans, stretched on to Dallas and all of that.
And he when he came back to the United States,
he wanted to kill as he said that sob Robert Kennedy.
But he knew if he did, then Jack Kennedy and
the government would come after everything, come after with him
out with everything. And so what did he do? As
I've proven in my books, he decided to orchestrate the
death of Jack Kennedy so Bobby Kennedy would be powerless.
And that's exactly what happened. Bobby never went after him
or any thing like that. That sets up everything that
has happened, and that led to my books. Then I
wrote a book about the sixty election, The Poison Patriarch,
and I started writing books about those players who were
involved in the JFK assassin Nation by covering it, covering
it up, and all of that. I want to mention
right now the most important document in the in the
new book, and then we'll go back and we'll talk
about Dorothy Kilgallen. When the JFK assassination records were released
earlier this year. That was really a big deal. President said,
we're gonna transparency. We're all going to come out, We're
going to We're going to give the American people these records,
the JFK assassination records, Robert Kennedy assassinations, Martin Luther King assassinations,
and so forth. Well as you can imagine, that has
never happened. And the ones that they did send out
that I looked over and everything released, a lot of
it was redacted. But in while I was looking at
those records, I came across some FBI files that were
had been hidden, and it basically I was amazed to
see what I found because in there was what we
may call and we can call is a document that
the FBI had hidden, and it's the confession of Carlos
Marcelo that he killed the President of the United States.
And I have the document right in front of me,
and it's in the new book, and I think it
will actually just flabbergasted your viewers because it was never released.
And here's what it said. On March fourth, nineteen eighty six,
John that Ronald Van Lanningham inmate Federal Correctional prison in Texas,
was interviewed and the following information. On December fifteenth, nineteen
eighty five, he was in the company of Carlos Marcelo
and another inmate at the Federal Corrections Institute in Texar Kenneth, Texas.
Carlos Marcello discussed his immense dislike of the former President
John Kennedys often did unlike other times, however, the other
tirades against Kenny. In this occasion, Carlos Marcello said, referring
to President John F. Kennedy, Yeah, I had the son
of a bitch killed. I wish I did. I'm sorry
I couldn't have done it myself. Yeah, I had the
son of a bitch killed. I'm glad I did. I'm
sorry I couldn't have done it myself. That document which
has been verified it was audio taped. We're finding the
audio tapes now. It just changes everything about any of
the assassinations of JFK the murder of Dorothy Kilgallen and
the assassination of Robert Kennedy, and I one of them.
When we have a chance and you go ahead and
ask any questions, you do, Carrie, because you're very observant.
What do you want to know about that document? And
then we'll go back and talk about Dorothy Kilgallen.
Speaker 3: All right, so it's been authenticated, and what were there
any notes from the FBI on that document?
Speaker 1: That not on that document, but it was audio taped.
Now that audio tape has been hidden for years and
I've been trying to find it. It is part of
the court case. What they did is the FBI operated
a sting against Carlos Marcello, who had been convicted in
Louisiana actually for the first time he was ever convicted
of trying to bribe a state officials on some labor
jobs and stuff like that. So they sent him to
Texas and this was called Operation Brie Lab And basically
what the FBI wanted to do was to get evidence
excuse me, against Marcello regarding the jfk assassination. So they
found out about this Jack ck Van Lanningham, who was
a bank robber sentenced to a number of years in
the Texas prison, and one way or another then the
FBI compromised him and they were able to go ahead
and get him close to Marcelo, including at one point
being a cell made of Marcello. So then they got
a fold of Dingham, and we have documentation in the book.
Readers will learn that what they offered Van Lenningham, as
you can imagine, is that the moment he could get
evidence against Marcello regarding the assassination, he could walk out
of prison.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: So they gave him a transistor radio with a recorder
in it, and he recorded these comments from Marcello in
nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six. But those that
document and the audio tape were hidden from the public,
just like this task Force on Government Secrets that was
convened early in the year has hidden it from the
public now. Because you have to realize that by exposing
that to the American public, it first of all, just
obliterates anything to do do obviously with the Oswald alone
file Oswollen theory, because that makes no sense probably the
whole Cia situation, the Russians, the government, all of these,
the Cubans, everything. It really if you're a prosecutor, you
would use that document and the testimony of Van Lanningham
to show that there was only one person who had
the strongest motive to kill JPK, and that was Carlos
Marcello M hm.
Speaker 3: So, but obviously the CIA was involved in it, LBJ
was involved, Right, They're all players in this raps.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't agree with you there. You don't say
here's the problem with any No, here's the problem with
all of those possible theories. You have to go through
a bunch of hoops. I've never been able to show
a direct connection. For instance, of course LBJ can benefited
from JFK's death because he became president. But I've never
been able to and never has anybody else been able
to show direct evidence without having to go through all
these hoops that the CIA was involved in jfk His death,
that l b J was, the c I A was,
and so on and so forth, And in my book,
this new book, and in the other ones too. Uh,
there's no question that there's a direct link in there,
because you've got this motive by Marcello and he cannot,
let just think about it, common sense logic. He cannot
let John F. Kennedy become president of the United States
because if he, if he does, then Robert Kennedy, who
knows that jf that uh that uh uh, that Marcello
set up JFK for the kill, is going to go
ahead and come after Marcello or come after uh uh,
come after Marcello. So if you think about it, that
is common sense logic and makes a great deal of sense.
And and the books that I wrote about this, including Uh,
the the Uh, the next one, which is the Reporter
who Knew Too Much, which you know about Dorothy Kilgallen,
then denial of Justice, then the collateral damage that connected
Marcella with the deaths of Dorothy and marily Monroe as
a matter of fact, then fighting for Justice, and now
abusive power. I'd been able to set up one thing
that is so important that's never been in any book
whatsoever before. I look at the deaths of JFK. JFK
sixty three, Dorothy kill Gallen sixty five, and Robert Kennedy
sixty eight in context with each one the other ones
with each one, and what you're going to hear me
talk about today is that in each particular case there
was a patsy that was used. The first one was
Oswald with the JFK assassination. The second one was this
Ron pattacky that you may be aware of, who is
Dorothy Kilgallen's love interest, you know, just before she died
because she shared her JFK assassination Investigation five was with him,
and then Marcella was able to compromise him. And then
with regard to Robert Kennedy, we will show that Sir
Hans Sir Han was used as a patsy in the
death of Robert F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy.
Speaker 1: That's the difference between any my book and any others
here is you able to show them in context. You
can eat it, you can look at them individually. But
it's so interesting to see the pattern that took place
because remember one thing the mafia, when they want to
take action with regard to people, they never do it
themselves and they never do it, so they're going to
be investigated. The best example is Oswald because I've been
able to prove in the book a relationship there with them,
which Dorothy found out about a connection there. And so
when you know he can't let JFK become president anymore,
he goes ahead and he implements this strategy of getting
read of JFK using I believe two shooters from Europe
that he brought in, and then using Oswald as a
patsy so that the the FB I J. Edgar Hoover.
They're going to go after this, this theory about Oswald.
Remember that's what Hoover did right when Oswald was arrested.
It's it's it's Oswald alone. And we all believe that
that that was what happened, because Hoover cannot let there
there be a I like to call it a plot
to kill the president, because if there's a plot and
more people are involved, Carrie, then the FBI could have
stopped it.
Speaker 3: And Hoover.
Speaker 1: The last thing Hoover wants to do is that have it,
have that happened, because what he wants to keep his job,
and then he will do the same thing with the
cover up of Dorothy's death, and the same thing with
the cover up of Robert Robert Kennedy's death.
Speaker 3: All right, but what about the Warren Commission. So once uh,
once LBJ was president, he had no interest in letting
the truth get out, right.
Speaker 1: Not at all. And I want to insert in here
Garrett Dorothy for a minute, because that's so important. I
know it's important to you because there's new evidence in
the book about her. And then I want to get
I want to get back to LBJ the and the
war and commission. Dorothy Kilgallon, as you know, was an
amazing story. And you and I both were just at
the ceremony back in New York City that I want
to talk about in a minute. But she was a
colleague dropout. Her father was a very well known reporter
for the New York Evening Journal, which became the New
York Journal American. In fact, I don't know if you
know it, but Dorothy's father was the first reporter to
expose the Docou prison camp during World War Two. Really,
so his credentials were amazing. And there's Dorothy. She doesn't
want to go to college. She asked him to do
her a favor and let her become an intern at
the New York Evening at the New York Evening Journal.
So that happens. Dorothy right away faces gender discrimination and
sexual discrimination. They won't let her write any any big
time articles. A lot of the editors are jealous of
her even getting the job. I have an example in
the book Carrie where she went ahead and wrote an
article about one criminal trial because she was really interested
in criminal trials, and she had to write it ten times.
That would never happen with a male reporter. She had
to write it ten times before they ever published it.
So she started going ahead and trying to get assignments
for big trials. The first one was Charles Lindbergh's baby
kidnapping case, but they wouldn't let her handle that, but
she kept after it and kept after it and kept
writing her articles. So the next one that she was
involved in was the nineteen fifty four trial of doctor
Sam Shepherd, which you may remember was the fodder the
foundation for the Fugitive movie and television show and all
of that. And there's a photograph that I have in
front of me that's in the book of Dorothy in
the middle of the courtroom at the doctor Sam Shepherd
case with all of the other reporters around her in admiration.
But one question and maybe asking herself that a lot
of readers do and probably your viewers will to it,
where did Dorothy kill Gal and get all this guts
to go ahead and have the courage to not only
write these articles, but later on we'll talk about what
she gets involved in the JFK assassination basically called j
Edgar Hoover and the other people involved in the FBI liars,
and that they are not telling the truth about the
JFK assassination. Well, where she got the courage, as I
think I said in New York and we'll talk about that,
is from it is chronicled in this book Girl around
the World. What did that have to do with? Dorothy
is twenty three years old in nineteen thirty six, there
is going to be what they called a race around
the world, and there are three or four men, two
men who are first of all the competitors. They're going
to go around the world using commercial transportation available to
the public. Buses, the subway, cabs, you know, cars, primitive
air air travel, all of these things. And so she
hears about it, and she convinces her father and the
people at the Evening Journal to let her compete. So
she did, and she spent I think twenty three days
traveling around the world all the way we started. They
started in New York City with traveling with the Hindenburg,
which blew up a year year later, by the way,
And she ended up going to London, Paris, Spain, Portugal,
and then kept going around the world South America into China.
And there's a great story in here when I mentioned Indo, China,
all the way around to it was Australia, and then
to Hawaii and finally back to New York City. And
in this book people will read I'm going I was
able to get a copy of a rare copy of it.
I've gotten the pushing permission of the copyright a holder
to go ahead and republish this book. And I'm going
to do that in probably February of March. Because I
took I changed hardly any of the words that Dorothy
used because, as you know, as Ernest Hemingway said at
the time, she was one of the greatest female writers
in the world. She wouldn't have liked female writers because
she was one of the greatest writers. If I could
write half as well as Dorothy, I would have had
ten best sellers instead of one. And she goes ahead
and she talks about the plane she's in, which is
a small plane kind of carish, landing in Indo, China,
and she says, finally the pilot shrugged his shoulders in
oriental despair and nose down for landing. While thoughts of bandits, kidnapping, murders,
and revolutions sizzled in my head. Bump bump, splash, splash,
we thumped down, jarling in the middle of the field.
The plane was not damage, but in a second I
thought all of my worst feels fears about this province
were realized, occurring like gnomes from the ground. Almost six
hundred natives surrounded the plane with spears in their hand,
and you know she was able to go ahead and
use the courage that she had there. I think you'll
barely be interested in those kinds of stories, because you know,
Dorothy was a it was a first person who was gutsy.
As Larry King told me during an interview, she was
one who would stand up for the truth. She was
a woman of the truth. I like to say, And
if you don't mind, I'm going to I think that
you have some lineage from Dorothy, because you're a man
of no you're a man of the truth, Carrie, and
you're a namesake and you and I'm sure you're very
proud of her. And as you know, about a little
more than a month now ago, you joined me in
New York City because Dorothy Kilgallen was the recipient of
the Poe naming of a street in New York City
at East sixty eighth Street and Park Avenue, and it's
named the now Dorothy kill Gallen Way. The New York
City Council set that up. We were both there. We
both listened to exactly what they said about here, and
one thing they did in a flyer was say, join
us as we honor the extraordinary legacy of Dorothy Kilgallen,
pioneering journalist, author, and fearless for us for truth. Dorothy's
groundbreaking career in printed television, broke barriers for women in media,
and her commitment to investigative reporting make a last date
meeting a lasting impact on American journalism. We probably recognize
her life work and contributions to our city and our
nation with his special street co naming. So that street
sign is now right there at East sixty eighth Street.
Remember she lived on at forty five East sixty eighth Street.
We stood you and I and others who were there
right in front of that building. And I had some
goosebumps when I did, because that's the place where Dorothy
did all of her work, and we should say it
right now. That's where she wrote her Voice of Broadway
column for the New York Journal American syndicated to two
hundred newspapers. Across the country. That's where she got ready
and prepared for being the star performer on the television
show What's My Line, which was on CBS every Sunday night.
I'm sure you probably watched it if you're old enough.
She had a radio show listened to by a million
people a day. I mean, Dorothy was the real thing.
And this tribute to her by the New York City
Council meant so much to me, and I'm sure it
did to you. But Dorothy then found out about what
happened with JFK. And why was she interested? She was
interested because none other than JFK used to come to
forty five East sixty eighth Street and go ahead and
play charades there. They became friends. Jackie came there. They
knew each other. And so when Dorothy killgall when John F.
Kennedy died, the first column she wrote, Carrie said this
what I remember is a tall man stooping over a
little boy, making a lot of fuss over the letters
he had brought from his third grade class. Because JFK
had invited Dorothy and her son Carrie to the White House,
he made a big fuss. He gave her a PT
one O nine pen and all of that, and so
unlike me, unlike anybody else who's ever looked into the
JFK assassination, and she's the most credible journalist to have
done so. And we'll talk about what she uncovered. She
it was personal with her. She wanted to find out
what happened to her friend, and when he was assassinated,
she left for Dallas and then she started looking the assassination.
She first of all interviewed Jesse Curry, who was the
Dallas police chief, and that what he told her triggered
the rest of her eighteen month investigation into JFK's death.
Because Jesse Curry, one of the first things he told
her and I found this very rare book, he reveals
his personalis JFK assassination file. First thing he told her was, Dorothy,
the shots came from the overpass and the grassy knoll
and you see right Awaven. She knew that this Oswald
alone theory that j Edgar Hoover was shouting out, you know,
made no sense whatsoever. The first column she wrote, Carrie
was the Oswald file must not close. She wrote, they've
killed the president. The government is not prepared to tell
us the truth, and I'm going to do everything in
my power to find out what really happened. Was you
can imagine she put a target on her back because
she's going up against probably other than the President of
the United States, which was LBJ. The second most powerful
was j Edgar Hoover, and he could not, as I said, again,
let there be known that there was a plot to
kill the president, because we would have shown for sure
that the FBI should have stopped it. That's the woman
that your mother named you after. It's not of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, so okay, you know, that's just like
so many things to unpack there, but the the whole
idea of the breadth of the cover up, and and
supposedly j Edgar Hoover was compromised by the mob as well, right,
so he wasn't going to do any investigating.
Speaker 1: And I like to say that I'm not only a historian,
but an educator in some way, just like you are.
In in the book, people are going to be amazed
when they say they see an account of j Edgar
Hoover and LBJ deciding who they want on a Warren Commission.
On the Warren Commission, well, of course they don't want
anybody that's not going to go with the Oswald alone theory.
So the first guy they pick is Gerald Ford, who's
going to be President of the United States, and they
use that old adage he can't think and chew gum
at the same time, he's not going to be a
thread at all, all right. They use Alan Dulles who
JAMA went ahead CIA and a j who went ahead
and was fired by JFK Well AKA, he wants to
close the case. And then they go ahead and you'll
see some of the things in there they say. But
one point they say, well, we're a little concerned because
there's a dirty columnist out there that we have to
be afraid of in terms of what she might do
to find out what we're doing with the Warren Commission.
And we know who. That was no question about it.
So they convene the Warren Commission. They picked a couple senators,
one of whom became a very good friend of Dorothy's.
She's able to get the inside dope and what the
Warren Commission, what they investigated, and what they didn't and
that's in the book. And I think people will be
amazed to read the accounts line by line of what
these two men said to cover up the truth about
what happened with JFK.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 3: So again we should repeat the name of the book,
Abusive Power, connecting Robert Kennedy's assassination with the murders of
JFK Dorothy Kilgall and exposes who was responsible and why
Sirhan Sirhan deserves a new trial. Definitely, Sirhan was a
patsy because we know that the bullet wounds from of
RFK came from behind, not from in front, where Sirhan
was shooting from. And that's a story in itself. What
amazes me, Mark is how corrupt these local police departments,
these city police departments were a lot of them. They
had CIA infiltration, FBI infiltration, and they basically did what
they were told.
Speaker 1: Oh with regardless Sir Hans. So I'm going ahead in
the reporter into too much and showed what happened to
Dorothy with the patsy ROMP ATTACKI I got, I've gone
ahead and showed with JFK the patsy with Oswald. So
now I was always interested in the Robert Kennedy assassination.
I never could figure out. You know, they never proved
a motive on Oswald's part, and we have in the
Book of Fact. You know, he says I'm a patsy
and all that. But with Rfk's death, I could never
figure out how this Palestinian named Sir Hans sir Han
could have possibly gone ahead and killed, set up or
killed Robert Kennedy, you know, set it all up and
done it himself. So I got to thinking, all right,
can I connect who has the strongest motive? I think
you'll be interested in this. Who has the strongest motive
to have Robert Kennedy silenced? Well we go back to
Carlos Marcelo because he can. He finds out, of course
that Robert Kennedy may become President of the United States.
Well if he does, then Robert Kennedy is going to
come after him. So what I was able to do
in the book and just summarize a bit, is to
go ahead, I have connected Sir Hans sir Han with
Carlos Marcello via Mickey Cohen, who was Belli's, you know,
a client, and showed how that stream of evidence leads
right up to the fact where I show that just
a few days before Robert Kennedy was assassinated. A paddock
captain at Santa Nita Racetrack south of Los Angeles provides
a videotaped interview in the book that shows he saw
Sir Han in the accompaniment of two hoodlums, he had
a brand new suit on, even that even though he
was unemployed, they would later find four one hundred dollars
bills in his pocket, and that he reported this information
to the LAPD, just like you're talking about in the FBI.
They never got in contact with him at all, And
obviously that was a part of the plot to cover
up the what happened to Robert Kennedy. So I think
people will see that pattern there through the use of
three Patsy's by Marcelo that he was responsible for JFK,
Robert JFK, Dorothy Kilgowan, and Robert Kennedy's deaths.
Speaker 4: Wow, amazing, amazing, and it all ties in. It all
makes sense.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, the logic behind it, because all
of the explanations we've been provided why these people were
killed don't hold water. They make no sense, the official explanations.
But with the backbone of the case that you're making
it's kind of a unified theory of why these people
were taken out.
Speaker 1: You're very perceptive the pattern of what happened with the three. Unfortunately, though,
the Warren Commission corruption or the Warren Commission cover up
has lasted to today because the President of the United
States went ahead and appointed the task force on something
like that task Force Uncovering Classified Secrets or whatever was called.
They put in charge a congresswoman from Florida, Anna Paulina Luna.
Speaker 5: Who you may be aware of, who had no experience
whatsoever with investigating anything, and they went ahead the task force,
and they went through an investigation of ja FK's death.
Speaker 1: They went through, you know, they looked at all of
the possibilities there. They went ahead, and it really basically
has come down to the fact, which is very disappointing,
that it was all political theater. They never permitted. For instance,
I sent several letters to Luna telling of my research.
They wouldn't let me testify, they wouldn't let what other
people do that because they were all about the Oswald
alone or CIA or whatever it may be, possibilities of
killing JFK. And it's very disappointing. Now, one thing I
have done that. I want to mention in just a
little time I'm sure we have left. And that is
that I have written a letter to Robert F. Kennedy Junior,
and he got it Monday, and I have said in
that week ago and I've said to him, listen, I
want you to be able to go ahead and see
if you can help Sir Hans Sir Han be released
from prison. And in the book people will see all
of the statements that RFK Junior has made over the years.
He went to the in where Sir Han was in
San Diego, he hugged him, he said, I know you're
not responsible for my father's death, and so on and
so forth. That's those are in the book. They're verified.
People can look at them on the internet. And so
I also tried in twenty seventeen and was successful in
helping get Sir Han a parole, and then of course
the governor of our state in California, who wants to
be president, reversed the parole decision by the parole board.
So I have written to him and said, Okay, you
know this man is innocent, you know that you believe
that is true. I want you to take action perhaps
going to the president or doing something to get him
another parole board hearing, whatever it may be, to hopefully
get this man who's eighty years old, who has been
in prison for almost sixty years for a crime he
did not commit, be released as soon as possible. Now
I'm holding out. I know it's a long shot, but
I'm holding out because I want justice for Sir Hans, Sirhan,
just as I want justice for Dorothy Kilgallen and for JFK.
And I'm going to try it until the day I
die to get this justice for them, especially Sir Han,
who's an innocent man in prison, and he should be released.
He shouldn't spend one more day in prison, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's crazy, but these things happen.
Speaker 3: Mark can't thank you enough for coming back on the
show and for really filling in the blanks in my knowledge.
I have, for whatever reason, been a lifelong student of
the Kennedy assassination, not so much RFK because to me
that was open and shut.
Speaker 4: Yeah it didn't do that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there was like no way that you get
bullet wounds in the back from somebody, and we knew
about LA and you know the Martin Luther King assassination. Dorothy,
I never really knew died a mysterious death, you know,
I didn't know. And Marilyn Monroe is kind of like
a little bit before by time. Never really check that
one either, But they all have, you know, this web
that connects them, and it makes makes your explanation really compelling.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And one of the things I say,
because your viewers are going to say, why do we
care about this? It happened sixty years ago, And I
say to them, listen, here's the problem with these these
deaths in six in the nineteen sixties, JFK to Dorothy,
Marilyn Monroe, Robert Kennedy, nobody asked any questions, okay, and
they didn't ask the right questions. Dorothy is the only
one that stood up against Hoover. They didn't ask the
right questions. And so it's the same thing that's relevant today.
You have to ask questions of your government. You cannot
take for granted them telling the truth no matter what
comes out of Washington or with the government. You have
to do your own research. You have to go and
then ask the questions, because if you don't, then you've
got nothing to gripe about. And that's the relevance of
connecting what happened in the sixties today for sure.
Speaker 3: And I'll just further state that from the time of
JFK's assassination, this country seems to have been on a
marked decline downward slope, whether you know. And I tie
back to monetary policy too. One of the first things
that LBJ did as president was take silver out of
the coinage. And you know, that was sixty five, So
sixty years later, we're still feeling the effects of these assassinations. Yeah,
I wrote a whole piece about it because I just
remember when it happened, I was only eight years old.
But then to actually go through the details of it,
the history of it, how it occurred, it was kind
of shocking. A lot of things they were new, Like
they had already made the decision to demonetize silver, to
take it out of the coinage, but then the commemorative coin,
which was the nineteen sixty four a half dollar to JFK.
They felt that they couldn't make it a copper clad
coin because that would deepen JFK's image and there would
be there would be, you know, feedback negative feedback from it,
so they made it silver and instantly all of those coins,
the sixty four Kennedys, which were ninety percent silver, were
immediately hoarded.
Speaker 4: Out of circulation.
Speaker 3: So they said, well, we can't do this because we
can't just produce these then they hoard them. So then
they made sixty five to sixty nine forty percent silver,
which was the minimum they could use to make it
look like a silver coin, and those coins got hoarded
out of existence. So all of these things, Mark are connected,
and what you're doing is unraveling that web. Like I say,
things never went right for America after JFK was assassinated,
Vietnam and Nixon, Watergate, all of this, it's all connected.
Speaker 1: Excellent, boy, you're a lot smarter than I am with
regard to those things. But I never knew about that
LBJ connection. I'm going to look into that a little
bit more, and people should read your book and I'm
going to get a copy of it as well.
Speaker 4: Good, All right, excellent, Well, hey appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 3: Your book is available at Amazon, Barnes and Nobles and
wherever fine books used to be sold, and hey, can
thank you enough. We'll put it out a newsletter because
you're doing really valuable work here. Obviously, you're doing your
purpose as am I, and that makes all the difference.
Speaker 4: It makes you ageless, and it makes you age with grace.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're a good man. Thank you so much, Kerriy.
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