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Speaker 1: The mafia. When they want to take action with regard

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to people, they never do it themselves, and they never

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do it, so they're going to be investigated. The best

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example is Oswald, because I've been able to prove in

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the book a relationship there with them, which Dorothy found

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out about a connection there. And so when you know

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he can't let JFK become president anymore, he goes ahead

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and he implements this strategy of getting read of JFK

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using I believe two shooters from Europe that he brought in,

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and then using Oswald as a patsy.

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Speaker 3: Welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial Survival Network.

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I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Next guest somebody who really

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has done amazing work throughout his life, a person who, well,

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if you wanted to call him, an investigative bloodhound. That

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would be an understatement. Mark Shaw is with us. Mark,

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You've written so many books. Your latest book is out

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and well, Abuse of Power. You just keep pumping them out.

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It's amazing how many of these books have you written?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: Well, I started with you know, I'm a former criminal

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defense lawyer. So I was first of all a criminal

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defense lawyer, and then after a few too many times

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of being involved with high profile murder cases, I decided

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to do something else. I end up as a legal

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analyst on the networks with OJ and Kobe Bryant and

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Mike Tyson and all of that, and started then to

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think about writing books. The first book was actually about

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the Mike Tyson trial because I was there right in

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that courtroom and it happened, and I was really dissatisfied

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with what happened to Tyson. I didn't feel like the

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evidence was there to convict him, and so I wrote

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a book called Down for the Count. And I think,

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like you, with the many books you've written, I'm amazed

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at what you've done, too, wrote I like the process.

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I like the investigative party part part of it of

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looking and finding the evidence like a detective would or

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a prosecutor would, or whatever defensive lawyer would or whatever.

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I liked the process, and so I started in writing books,

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and there were a number of them that were done.

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I wrote some books that you know, some people got

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upset with, for sure. But everything changed when I found

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out a book about a woman named Dorothy Kilgallan, who

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I believe you're familiar with because your your parents named

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you after Dorothy's son, Carrie, and I think that's when

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we first got in touch with each other years ago.

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And it's amazing because what knowing about Dorothy did for me.

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There are now seven This will be the seventh Abuse

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of Power, seventh book that touches on Dorothy kill Gallen

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JFK and now RFK, and it's been quite a journey

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because one book leads to the other. The first one

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that happened, actually the name of Dorothy kill Gallen came up,

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and I didn't know that it would. I practiced law,

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and maybe you'll know this name with a rather controversial

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criminal defense lawyer. And more than that, you know a

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lawyer who sued all the pharmaceutical companies and everybody else

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named Melvin Belly, of course, and he was a San

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Francisco attorney and I practiced law actually with him in

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the nineteen eighties. He had a building up on Montgomery Street.

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I was just up near there the other day, and

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he and I got to be pretty close friends. Had

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an office in that building. He took me to the

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Major League Baseball All Star Game in his Rolls Royce.

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mostly known at the time for suing all the pharmaceutical

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companies he got to some of the first was.

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Speaker 4: That he was ahead of his time there and he got.

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Speaker 1: Some of the first million dollar verdicts and everything else

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like that. But when bell I died in nineteen ninety six,

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I decided to write a book about him because, get this,

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he had written two autobiographies, but they conflicted. This was

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his own story, So I yeah, So I decided to

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write a book, and that became Melvin Belly. King of

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the Court, was published in two thousand and seven, I believe.

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And I talked about the things that really interested me

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with him, especially him being a mafia want to bee.

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Bell I loved the mafia, and I knew that when

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I was a friend of his, he would go to

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Las Vegas and hang out with him. His main client

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me Cohen, who was a Los Angeles West Coast gangster,

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the Robert Kennedy assassination. But bell I really loved the mafia,

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and as one of his friends said, the mafia loved him.

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was going to quit. But it really bothered me that

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bell I represented Jack Ruby, and we'll talk about that

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in a little bit, the guy who shot Lee Harvey Oswell.

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But I was very interested in how bell I and

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the mafia had anything to do with the nineteen sixty election.

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in this book there's three two crime murder mysteries that

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we'll go into. But the first one came about because

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I learned that the nineteen sixty election, Joe Kennedy wanted

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to be or may remember president of the United States.

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made a friend of Adolf Hitler. So when he got

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he couldn't run for president. And so Joe said, and

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Joe Kennedy Junior, but he got killed in the war.

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all of that, you got to win the election in

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nineteen sixty and he knew as he got closer and

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closer that JFK was going to lose that election. So

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Joe called in some of his underworld character he knew

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from his bootlegging days and stuff like that, Sam g

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and Kanna, Carlos Marcello, SnO Trofa, Connie, some of these

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people and said, all right, look, you help us win

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the election and we will leave you alone. And unfortunately

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they did help him win the election. But on the

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very day that they were in office, Bobby Kennedy was

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appointed Attorney General and he went after the mob. He

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went after several of those individuals, but especially this guy

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named Carlos marcel You know, Bobby Kennedy hated the mafia,

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and he and Jack at Kennedy had hearings to try

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to weed out the mafia and do something about it.

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But the real key to almost everything that happened Carrie

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is this book Enemy, the Enemy Within. And Bobby Kennedy

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wrote this book in nineteen sixty one. And if you

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can imagine some of the things that he said about

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the mafia in that book, just think about and you know,

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you can't mess around with those guys. He wrote, their sleek,

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often bilious and fat, or lean and cold and hard.

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They have the smooth faces and cruel eyes of gangsters.

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They wear the same rich clothes, the diamond ring, the

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jeweled watch, the strong, sickly smelling, sweet smelling perfume. So

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you can imagine what their thoughts were about him. But

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then as his first act as Attorney General, he illegally

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sent Carlos Marcelo, deported him to the wilds of Central

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America and tricked him into going an immigration office in

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New Orleans. And we'll talk about who Marcelo was, but

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you can't mess around with those guys. And so he

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sent Marcellan to New Orleans. Marcello got back on the

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unit United States. And because I was a former criminal

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defense lawyer, I look a motive. And so when Marcello

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gets back in the United States and he was one

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of the most dangerous mobsters in the United States. He

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controlled all of the rackets, the prostitution, the gaming, everything

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in New Orleans, stretched on to Dallas and all of that.

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he wanted to kill as he said that sob Robert Kennedy.

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the government would come after everything, come after with him

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out with everything. And so what did he do? As

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I've proven in my books, he decided to orchestrate the

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death of Jack Kennedy so Bobby Kennedy would be powerless.

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or any thing like that. That sets up everything that

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has happened, and that led to my books. Then I

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wrote a book about the sixty election, The Poison Patriarch,

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and I started writing books about those players who were

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involved in the JFK assassin Nation by covering it, covering

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it up, and all of that. I want to mention

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right now the most important document in the in the

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new book, and then we'll go back and we'll talk

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about Dorothy Kilgallen. When the JFK assassination records were released

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earlier this year. That was really a big deal. President said,

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we're gonna transparency. We're all going to come out, We're

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going to We're going to give the American people these records,

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the JFK assassination records, Robert Kennedy assassinations, Martin Luther King assassinations,

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and so forth. Well as you can imagine, that has

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never happened. And the ones that they did send out

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that I looked over and everything released, a lot of

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it was redacted. But in while I was looking at

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those records, I came across some FBI files that were

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had been hidden, and it basically I was amazed to

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see what I found because in there was what we

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may call and we can call is a document that

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the FBI had hidden, and it's the confession of Carlos

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Marcelo that he killed the President of the United States.

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and it's in the new book, and I think it

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will actually just flabbergasted your viewers because it was never released.

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John that Ronald Van Lanningham inmate Federal Correctional prison in Texas,

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and another inmate at the Federal Corrections Institute in Texar Kenneth, Texas.

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John Kennedys often did unlike other times, however, the other

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tirades against Kenny. In this occasion, Carlos Marcello said, referring

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to President John F. Kennedy, Yeah, I had the son

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of a bitch killed. I wish I did. I'm sorry

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I couldn't have done it myself. Yeah, I had the

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son of a bitch killed. I'm glad I did. I'm

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sorry I couldn't have done it myself. That document which

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has been verified it was audio taped. We're finding the

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audio tapes now. It just changes everything about any of

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the assassinations of JFK the murder of Dorothy Kilgallen and

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the assassination of Robert Kennedy, and I one of them.

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When we have a chance and you go ahead and

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ask any questions, you do, Carrie, because you're very observant.

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then we'll go back and talk about Dorothy Kilgallen.

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any notes from the FBI on that document?

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Now that audio tape has been hidden for years and

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I've been trying to find it. It is part of

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the court case. What they did is the FBI operated

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a sting against Carlos Marcello, who had been convicted in

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Louisiana actually for the first time he was ever convicted

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of trying to bribe a state officials on some labor

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jobs and stuff like that. So they sent him to

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what the FBI wanted to do was to get evidence

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excuse me, against Marcello regarding the jfk assassination. So they

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found out about this Jack ck Van Lanningham, who was

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a bank robber sentenced to a number of years in

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the Texas prison, and one way or another then the

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FBI compromised him and they were able to go ahead

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and get him close to Marcelo, including at one point

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being a cell made of Marcello. So then they got

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a fold of Dingham, and we have documentation in the book.

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evidence against Marcello regarding the assassination, he could walk out

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Speaker 1: So they gave him a transistor radio with a recorder

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nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six. But those that

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just like this task Force on Government Secrets that was

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public now. Because you have to realize that by exposing

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whole Cia situation, the Russians, the government, all of these,

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the Cubans, everything. It really if you're a prosecutor, you

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would use that document and the testimony of Van Lanningham

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to show that there was only one person who had

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the strongest motive to kill JPK, and that was Carlos

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Speaker 3: So, but obviously the CIA was involved in it, LBJ

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was involved, Right, They're all players in this raps.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't agree with you there. You don't say

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here's the problem with any No, here's the problem with

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all of those possible theories. You have to go through

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a bunch of hoops. I've never been able to show

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a direct connection. For instance, of course LBJ can benefited

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from JFK's death because he became president. But I've never

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been able to and never has anybody else been able

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to show direct evidence without having to go through all

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these hoops that the CIA was involved in jfk His death,

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that l b J was, the c I A was,

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and so on and so forth, And in my book,

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this new book, and in the other ones too. Uh,

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there's no question that there's a direct link in there,

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because you've got this motive by Marcello and he cannot,

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let just think about it, common sense logic. He cannot

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let John F. Kennedy become president of the United States

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because if he, if he does, then Robert Kennedy, who

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knows that jf that uh that uh uh, that Marcello

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set up JFK for the kill, is going to go

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ahead and come after Marcello or come after uh uh,

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come after Marcello. So if you think about it, that

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is common sense logic and makes a great deal of sense.

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And and the books that I wrote about this, including Uh,

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the the Uh, the next one, which is the Reporter

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who Knew Too Much, which you know about Dorothy Kilgallen,

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then denial of Justice, then the collateral damage that connected

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Marcella with the deaths of Dorothy and marily Monroe as

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a matter of fact, then fighting for Justice, and now

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abusive power. I'd been able to set up one thing

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that is so important that's never been in any book

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whatsoever before. I look at the deaths of JFK. JFK

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sixty three, Dorothy kill Gallen sixty five, and Robert Kennedy

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sixty eight in context with each one the other ones

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with each one, and what you're going to hear me

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talk about today is that in each particular case there

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was a patsy that was used. The first one was

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Oswald with the JFK assassination. The second one was this

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Ron pattacky that you may be aware of, who is

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Dorothy Kilgallen's love interest, you know, just before she died

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because she shared her JFK assassination Investigation five was with him,

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and then Marcella was able to compromise him. And then

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with regard to Robert Kennedy, we will show that Sir

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Speaker 4: Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference between any my book and any others

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here is you able to show them in context. You

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can eat it, you can look at them individually. But

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it's so interesting to see the pattern that took place

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because remember one thing the mafia, when they want to

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take action with regard to people, they never do it

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themselves and they never do it, so they're going to

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be investigated. The best example is Oswald because I've been

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able to prove in the book a relationship there with them,

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which Dorothy found out about a connection there. And so

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when you know he can't let JFK become president anymore,

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he goes ahead and he implements this strategy of getting

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read of JFK using I believe two shooters from Europe

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that he brought in, and then using Oswald as a

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patsy so that the the FB I J. Edgar Hoover.

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They're going to go after this, this theory about Oswald.

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Remember that's what Hoover did right when Oswald was arrested.

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It's it's it's Oswald alone. And we all believe that

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that that was what happened, because Hoover cannot let there

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there be a I like to call it a plot

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to kill the president, because if there's a plot and

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more people are involved, Carrie, then the FBI could have

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stopped it.

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Speaker 3: And Hoover.

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Speaker 1: The last thing Hoover wants to do is that have it,

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have that happened, because what he wants to keep his job,

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and then he will do the same thing with the

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cover up of Dorothy's death, and the same thing with

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the cover up of Robert Robert Kennedy's death.

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Speaker 3: All right, but what about the Warren Commission. So once uh,

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once LBJ was president, he had no interest in letting

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the truth get out, right.

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Speaker 1: Not at all. And I want to insert in here

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Garrett Dorothy for a minute, because that's so important. I

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know it's important to you because there's new evidence in

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the book about her. And then I want to get

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I want to get back to LBJ the and the

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war and commission. Dorothy Kilgallon, as you know, was an

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amazing story. And you and I both were just at

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the ceremony back in New York City that I want

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to talk about in a minute. But she was a

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colleague dropout. Her father was a very well known reporter

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for the New York Evening Journal, which became the New

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York Journal American. In fact, I don't know if you

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know it, but Dorothy's father was the first reporter to

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expose the Docou prison camp during World War Two. Really,

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so his credentials were amazing. And there's Dorothy. She doesn't

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want to go to college. She asked him to do

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her a favor and let her become an intern at

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the New York Evening at the New York Evening Journal.

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So that happens. Dorothy right away faces gender discrimination and

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sexual discrimination. They won't let her write any any big

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time articles. A lot of the editors are jealous of

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her even getting the job. I have an example in

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the book Carrie where she went ahead and wrote an

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article about one criminal trial because she was really interested

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in criminal trials, and she had to write it ten times.

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That would never happen with a male reporter. She had

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to write it ten times before they ever published it.

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So she started going ahead and trying to get assignments

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for big trials. The first one was Charles Lindbergh's baby

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kidnapping case, but they wouldn't let her handle that, but

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she kept after it and kept after it and kept

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writing her articles. So the next one that she was

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involved in was the nineteen fifty four trial of doctor

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Sam Shepherd, which you may remember was the fodder the

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foundation for the Fugitive movie and television show and all

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of that. And there's a photograph that I have in

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front of me that's in the book of Dorothy in

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the middle of the courtroom at the doctor Sam Shepherd

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case with all of the other reporters around her in admiration.

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But one question and maybe asking herself that a lot

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of readers do and probably your viewers will to it,

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where did Dorothy kill Gal and get all this guts

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to go ahead and have the courage to not only

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write these articles, but later on we'll talk about what

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she gets involved in the JFK assassination basically called j

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Edgar Hoover and the other people involved in the FBI liars,

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and that they are not telling the truth about the

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JFK assassination. Well, where she got the courage, as I

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think I said in New York and we'll talk about that,

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is from it is chronicled in this book Girl around

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the World. What did that have to do with? Dorothy

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is twenty three years old in nineteen thirty six, there

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is going to be what they called a race around

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the world, and there are three or four men, two

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men who are first of all the competitors. They're going

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to go around the world using commercial transportation available to

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the public. Buses, the subway, cabs, you know, cars, primitive

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air air travel, all of these things. And so she

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hears about it, and she convinces her father and the

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people at the Evening Journal to let her compete. So

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she did, and she spent I think twenty three days

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traveling around the world all the way we started. They

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started in New York City with traveling with the Hindenburg,

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which blew up a year year later, by the way,

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And she ended up going to London, Paris, Spain, Portugal,

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and then kept going around the world South America into China.

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And there's a great story in here when I mentioned Indo, China,

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all the way around to it was Australia, and then

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to Hawaii and finally back to New York City. And

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in this book people will read I'm going I was

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able to get a copy of a rare copy of it.

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I've gotten the pushing permission of the copyright a holder

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to go ahead and republish this book. And I'm going

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to do that in probably February of March. Because I

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took I changed hardly any of the words that Dorothy

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used because, as you know, as Ernest Hemingway said at

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the time, she was one of the greatest female writers

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in the world. She wouldn't have liked female writers because

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she was one of the greatest writers. If I could

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write half as well as Dorothy, I would have had

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ten best sellers instead of one. And she goes ahead

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and she talks about the plane she's in, which is

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a small plane kind of carish, landing in Indo, China,

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and she says, finally the pilot shrugged his shoulders in

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oriental despair and nose down for landing. While thoughts of bandits, kidnapping, murders,

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and revolutions sizzled in my head. Bump bump, splash, splash,

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we thumped down, jarling in the middle of the field.

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The plane was not damage, but in a second I

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thought all of my worst feels fears about this province

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were realized, occurring like gnomes from the ground. Almost six

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hundred natives surrounded the plane with spears in their hand,

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and you know she was able to go ahead and

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use the courage that she had there. I think you'll

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barely be interested in those kinds of stories, because you know,

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Dorothy was a it was a first person who was gutsy.

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As Larry King told me during an interview, she was

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one who would stand up for the truth. She was

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a woman of the truth. I like to say, And

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if you don't mind, I'm going to I think that

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you have some lineage from Dorothy, because you're a man

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of no you're a man of the truth, Carrie, and

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you're a namesake and you and I'm sure you're very

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proud of her. And as you know, about a little

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more than a month now ago, you joined me in

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New York City because Dorothy Kilgallen was the recipient of

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the Poe naming of a street in New York City

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at East sixty eighth Street and Park Avenue, and it's

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named the now Dorothy kill Gallen Way. The New York

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City Council set that up. We were both there. We

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both listened to exactly what they said about here, and

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one thing they did in a flyer was say, join

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us as we honor the extraordinary legacy of Dorothy Kilgallen,

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pioneering journalist, author, and fearless for us for truth. Dorothy's

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groundbreaking career in printed television, broke barriers for women in media,

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and her commitment to investigative reporting make a last date

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meeting a lasting impact on American journalism. We probably recognize

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her life work and contributions to our city and our

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nation with his special street co naming. So that street

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sign is now right there at East sixty eighth Street.

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Remember she lived on at forty five East sixty eighth Street.

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We stood you and I and others who were there

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right in front of that building. And I had some

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goosebumps when I did, because that's the place where Dorothy

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did all of her work, and we should say it

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right now. That's where she wrote her Voice of Broadway

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column for the New York Journal American syndicated to two

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hundred newspapers. Across the country. That's where she got ready

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and prepared for being the star performer on the television

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show What's My Line, which was on CBS every Sunday night.

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I'm sure you probably watched it if you're old enough.

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She had a radio show listened to by a million

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people a day. I mean, Dorothy was the real thing.

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And this tribute to her by the New York City

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Council meant so much to me, and I'm sure it

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did to you. But Dorothy then found out about what

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happened with JFK. And why was she interested? She was

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interested because none other than JFK used to come to

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forty five East sixty eighth Street and go ahead and

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play charades there. They became friends. Jackie came there. They

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knew each other. And so when Dorothy killgall when John F.

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Kennedy died, the first column she wrote, Carrie said this

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what I remember is a tall man stooping over a

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little boy, making a lot of fuss over the letters

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he had brought from his third grade class. Because JFK

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had invited Dorothy and her son Carrie to the White House,

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he made a big fuss. He gave her a PT

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one O nine pen and all of that, and so

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unlike me, unlike anybody else who's ever looked into the

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JFK assassination, and she's the most credible journalist to have

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done so. And we'll talk about what she uncovered. She

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it was personal with her. She wanted to find out

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what happened to her friend, and when he was assassinated,

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she left for Dallas and then she started looking the assassination.

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She first of all interviewed Jesse Curry, who was the

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00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:47,640
Dallas police chief, and that what he told her triggered

477
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,319
the rest of her eighteen month investigation into JFK's death.

478
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Because Jesse Curry, one of the first things he told

479
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her and I found this very rare book, he reveals

480
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:01,480
his personalis JFK assassination file. First thing he told her was, Dorothy,

481
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,759
the shots came from the overpass and the grassy knoll

482
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and you see right Awaven. She knew that this Oswald

483
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:15,960
alone theory that j Edgar Hoover was shouting out, you know,

484
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:19,279
made no sense whatsoever. The first column she wrote, Carrie

485
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,880
was the Oswald file must not close. She wrote, they've

486
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,319
killed the president. The government is not prepared to tell

487
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,839
us the truth, and I'm going to do everything in

488
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,279
my power to find out what really happened. Was you

489
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:35,880
can imagine she put a target on her back because

490
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,880
she's going up against probably other than the President of

491
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,519
the United States, which was LBJ. The second most powerful

492
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,160
was j Edgar Hoover, and he could not, as I said, again,

493
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,279
let there be known that there was a plot to

494
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,559
kill the president, because we would have shown for sure

495
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,559
that the FBI should have stopped it. That's the woman

496
00:28:55,279 --> 00:29:01,720
that your mother named you after. It's not of the.

497
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:05,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, so okay, you know, that's just like

498
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:11,359
so many things to unpack there, but the the whole

499
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,079
idea of the breadth of the cover up, and and

500
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,039
supposedly j Edgar Hoover was compromised by the mob as well, right,

501
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,920
so he wasn't going to do any investigating.

502
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: And I like to say that I'm not only a historian,

503
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,559
but an educator in some way, just like you are.

504
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,039
In in the book, people are going to be amazed

505
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,759
when they say they see an account of j Edgar

506
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,839
Hoover and LBJ deciding who they want on a Warren Commission.

507
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,240
On the Warren Commission, well, of course they don't want

508
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,039
anybody that's not going to go with the Oswald alone theory.

509
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
So the first guy they pick is Gerald Ford, who's

510
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,440
going to be President of the United States, and they

511
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,000
use that old adage he can't think and chew gum

512
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,000
at the same time, he's not going to be a

513
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:56,240
thread at all, all right. They use Alan Dulles who

514
00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,000
JAMA went ahead CIA and a j who went ahead

515
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,279
and was fired by JFK Well AKA, he wants to

516
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,319
close the case. And then they go ahead and you'll

517
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:08,839
see some of the things in there they say. But

518
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,880
one point they say, well, we're a little concerned because

519
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,720
there's a dirty columnist out there that we have to

520
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,319
be afraid of in terms of what she might do

521
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,799
to find out what we're doing with the Warren Commission.

522
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,119
And we know who. That was no question about it.

523
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,640
So they convene the Warren Commission. They picked a couple senators,

524
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,400
one of whom became a very good friend of Dorothy's.

525
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,240
She's able to get the inside dope and what the

526
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,920
Warren Commission, what they investigated, and what they didn't and

527
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,960
that's in the book. And I think people will be

528
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,200
amazed to read the accounts line by line of what

529
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,039
these two men said to cover up the truth about

530
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:46,119
what happened with JFK.

531
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating, fascinating.

532
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: So again we should repeat the name of the book,

533
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,079
Abusive Power, connecting Robert Kennedy's assassination with the murders of

534
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,039
JFK Dorothy Kilgall and exposes who was responsible and why

535
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,920
Sirhan Sirhan deserves a new trial. Definitely, Sirhan was a

536
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,119
patsy because we know that the bullet wounds from of

537
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,519
RFK came from behind, not from in front, where Sirhan

538
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,160
was shooting from. And that's a story in itself. What

539
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,720
amazes me, Mark is how corrupt these local police departments,

540
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,359
these city police departments were a lot of them. They

541
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:35,599
had CIA infiltration, FBI infiltration, and they basically did what

542
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,559
they were told.

543
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,839
Speaker 1: Oh with regardless Sir Hans. So I'm going ahead in

544
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,400
the reporter into too much and showed what happened to

545
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,559
Dorothy with the patsy ROMP ATTACKI I got, I've gone

546
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,920
ahead and showed with JFK the patsy with Oswald. So

547
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,319
now I was always interested in the Robert Kennedy assassination.

548
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,920
I never could figure out. You know, they never proved

549
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,519
a motive on Oswald's part, and we have in the

550
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,519
Book of Fact. You know, he says I'm a patsy

551
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:05,200
and all that. But with Rfk's death, I could never

552
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,759
figure out how this Palestinian named Sir Hans sir Han

553
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,240
could have possibly gone ahead and killed, set up or

554
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,400
killed Robert Kennedy, you know, set it all up and

555
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,799
done it himself. So I got to thinking, all right,

556
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,880
can I connect who has the strongest motive? I think

557
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,359
you'll be interested in this. Who has the strongest motive

558
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,519
to have Robert Kennedy silenced? Well we go back to

559
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:31,880
Carlos Marcelo because he can. He finds out, of course

560
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680
that Robert Kennedy may become President of the United States.

561
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,160
Well if he does, then Robert Kennedy is going to

562
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,279
come after him. So what I was able to do

563
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:42,000
in the book and just summarize a bit, is to

564
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,480
go ahead, I have connected Sir Hans sir Han with

565
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,400
Carlos Marcello via Mickey Cohen, who was Belli's, you know,

566
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,640
a client, and showed how that stream of evidence leads

567
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,400
right up to the fact where I show that just

568
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,960
a few days before Robert Kennedy was assassinated. A paddock

569
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:10,200
captain at Santa Nita Racetrack south of Los Angeles provides

570
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:13,720
a videotaped interview in the book that shows he saw

571
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,920
Sir Han in the accompaniment of two hoodlums, he had

572
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,839
a brand new suit on, even that even though he

573
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,319
was unemployed, they would later find four one hundred dollars

574
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:29,079
bills in his pocket, and that he reported this information

575
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,680
to the LAPD, just like you're talking about in the FBI.

576
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,240
They never got in contact with him at all, And

577
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,680
obviously that was a part of the plot to cover

578
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:43,039
up the what happened to Robert Kennedy. So I think

579
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,000
people will see that pattern there through the use of

580
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,160
three Patsy's by Marcelo that he was responsible for JFK,

581
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,559
Robert JFK, Dorothy Kilgowan, and Robert Kennedy's deaths.

582
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: Wow, amazing, amazing, and it all ties in. It all

583
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:00,319
makes sense.

584
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:05,359
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, the logic behind it, because all

585
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,519
of the explanations we've been provided why these people were

586
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:13,719
killed don't hold water. They make no sense, the official explanations.

587
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,880
But with the backbone of the case that you're making

588
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,880
it's kind of a unified theory of why these people

589
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,719
were taken out.

590
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,039
Speaker 1: You're very perceptive the pattern of what happened with the three. Unfortunately, though,

591
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:31,239
the Warren Commission corruption or the Warren Commission cover up

592
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,440
has lasted to today because the President of the United

593
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,880
States went ahead and appointed the task force on something

594
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,400
like that task Force Uncovering Classified Secrets or whatever was called.

595
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,440
They put in charge a congresswoman from Florida, Anna Paulina Luna.

596
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,199
Speaker 5: Who you may be aware of, who had no experience

597
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,360
whatsoever with investigating anything, and they went ahead the task force,

598
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,960
and they went through an investigation of ja FK's death.

599
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,159
Speaker 1: They went through, you know, they looked at all of

600
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:10,320
the possibilities there. They went ahead, and it really basically

601
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,280
has come down to the fact, which is very disappointing,

602
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,920
that it was all political theater. They never permitted. For instance,

603
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,719
I sent several letters to Luna telling of my research.

604
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,599
They wouldn't let me testify, they wouldn't let what other

605
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,960
people do that because they were all about the Oswald

606
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,440
alone or CIA or whatever it may be, possibilities of

607
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,400
killing JFK. And it's very disappointing. Now, one thing I

608
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,000
have done that. I want to mention in just a

609
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,519
little time I'm sure we have left. And that is

610
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,000
that I have written a letter to Robert F. Kennedy Junior,

611
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,679
and he got it Monday, and I have said in

612
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,880
that week ago and I've said to him, listen, I

613
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,760
want you to be able to go ahead and see

614
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,079
if you can help Sir Hans Sir Han be released

615
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,880
from prison. And in the book people will see all

616
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,719
of the statements that RFK Junior has made over the years.

617
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,159
He went to the in where Sir Han was in

618
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,519
San Diego, he hugged him, he said, I know you're

619
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,880
not responsible for my father's death, and so on and

620
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,639
so forth. That's those are in the book. They're verified.

621
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,800
People can look at them on the internet. And so

622
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,239
I also tried in twenty seventeen and was successful in

623
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,280
helping get Sir Han a parole, and then of course

624
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,440
the governor of our state in California, who wants to

625
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,639
be president, reversed the parole decision by the parole board.

626
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,079
So I have written to him and said, Okay, you

627
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,079
know this man is innocent, you know that you believe

628
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,800
that is true. I want you to take action perhaps

629
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,880
going to the president or doing something to get him

630
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,039
another parole board hearing, whatever it may be, to hopefully

631
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,599
get this man who's eighty years old, who has been

632
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,480
in prison for almost sixty years for a crime he

633
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:56,079
did not commit, be released as soon as possible. Now

634
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,000
I'm holding out. I know it's a long shot, but

635
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:02,360
I'm holding out because I want justice for Sir Hans, Sirhan,

636
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,599
just as I want justice for Dorothy Kilgallen and for JFK.

637
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,280
And I'm going to try it until the day I

638
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,320
die to get this justice for them, especially Sir Han,

639
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,480
who's an innocent man in prison, and he should be released.

640
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:19,239
He shouldn't spend one more day in prison, that's for sure.

641
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's crazy, but these things happen.

642
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 3: Mark can't thank you enough for coming back on the

643
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,400
show and for really filling in the blanks in my knowledge.

644
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:36,480
I have, for whatever reason, been a lifelong student of

645
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:40,280
the Kennedy assassination, not so much RFK because to me

646
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,880
that was open and shut.

647
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: Yeah it didn't do that way.

648
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there was like no way that you get

649
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,639
bullet wounds in the back from somebody, and we knew

650
00:37:54,679 --> 00:38:00,519
about LA and you know the Martin Luther King assassination. Dorothy,

651
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:06,320
I never really knew died a mysterious death, you know,

652
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,480
I didn't know. And Marilyn Monroe is kind of like

653
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,880
a little bit before by time. Never really check that

654
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,880
one either, But they all have, you know, this web

655
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,280
that connects them, and it makes makes your explanation really compelling.

656
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And one of the things I say,

657
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:27,440
because your viewers are going to say, why do we

658
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,880
care about this? It happened sixty years ago, And I

659
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,159
say to them, listen, here's the problem with these these

660
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:36,840
deaths in six in the nineteen sixties, JFK to Dorothy,

661
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:43,239
Marilyn Monroe, Robert Kennedy, nobody asked any questions, okay, and

662
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,239
they didn't ask the right questions. Dorothy is the only

663
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,760
one that stood up against Hoover. They didn't ask the

664
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,800
right questions. And so it's the same thing that's relevant today.

665
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,719
You have to ask questions of your government. You cannot

666
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,239
take for granted them telling the truth no matter what

667
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,440
comes out of Washington or with the government. You have

668
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,000
to do your own research. You have to go and

669
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,760
then ask the questions, because if you don't, then you've

670
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,400
got nothing to gripe about. And that's the relevance of

671
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,960
connecting what happened in the sixties today for sure.

672
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,639
Speaker 3: And I'll just further state that from the time of

673
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,400
JFK's assassination, this country seems to have been on a

674
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:29,239
marked decline downward slope, whether you know. And I tie

675
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,280
back to monetary policy too. One of the first things

676
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,800
that LBJ did as president was take silver out of

677
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,880
the coinage. And you know, that was sixty five, So

678
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:48,480
sixty years later, we're still feeling the effects of these assassinations. Yeah,

679
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:50,800
I wrote a whole piece about it because I just

680
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,760
remember when it happened, I was only eight years old.

681
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,719
But then to actually go through the details of it,

682
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,559
the history of it, how it occurred, it was kind

683
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,199
of shocking. A lot of things they were new, Like

684
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,760
they had already made the decision to demonetize silver, to

685
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,480
take it out of the coinage, but then the commemorative coin,

686
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,800
which was the nineteen sixty four a half dollar to JFK.

687
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,519
They felt that they couldn't make it a copper clad

688
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,920
coin because that would deepen JFK's image and there would

689
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,840
be there would be, you know, feedback negative feedback from it,

690
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,920
so they made it silver and instantly all of those coins,

691
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,920
the sixty four Kennedys, which were ninety percent silver, were

692
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,559
immediately hoarded.

693
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: Out of circulation.

694
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: So they said, well, we can't do this because we

695
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,800
can't just produce these then they hoard them. So then

696
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,039
they made sixty five to sixty nine forty percent silver,

697
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,280
which was the minimum they could use to make it

698
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,519
look like a silver coin, and those coins got hoarded

699
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,920
out of existence. So all of these things, Mark are connected,

700
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:07,559
and what you're doing is unraveling that web. Like I say,

701
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,360
things never went right for America after JFK was assassinated,

702
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:18,599
Vietnam and Nixon, Watergate, all of this, it's all connected.

703
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Excellent, boy, you're a lot smarter than I am with

704
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,840
regard to those things. But I never knew about that

705
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:26,280
LBJ connection. I'm going to look into that a little

706
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,920
bit more, and people should read your book and I'm

707
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,199
going to get a copy of it as well.

708
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,119
Speaker 4: Good, All right, excellent, Well, hey appreciate you coming on.

709
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: Your book is available at Amazon, Barnes and Nobles and

710
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,960
wherever fine books used to be sold, and hey, can

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thank you enough. We'll put it out a newsletter because

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you're doing really valuable work here. Obviously, you're doing your

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purpose as am I, and that makes all the difference.

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Speaker 4: It makes you ageless, and it makes you age with grace.

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