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Speaker 2: Welcome back to.
Speaker 3: See you strong around the world. It's time for another
edition of the Fact Hunter podcast. As we record on
the Sinko de Mayo, twenty twenty six, it's eleven thirty
am due southwest of Dover, Delaware. I hope everybody is
having a great week. Beautiful day here in Delaware. Eighty
five degrees is going to be are high, lots of
sunshine and actually not a whole lot of spraying today.
Knock on wood that we can make it through the
day without being poisoned from above. Hey, a big shout
out to Shelby who has sent some contributions to the podcast,
who also joined us live in Oklahoma City back in
twenty twenty four. Shout out to Shelby, and of course
our friend Chuck in Indiana. Good to hear from him,
and of course our friend north of the border, Don
in Canada. Thank you all for your kind words, continued
support and contributions to the podcast. I don't have traditional cable,
maybe some of you all do. Maybe some of you
all have the YouTube TV. We have our Amazon Prime
subscription because we live out in the boonies. It behooves
us to pay that whatever to get free delivery out here,
and certainly as much as gas costs. But we have
the Roku thing, and when you go to the mainscreen,
they always have an advertise meant for a show, and
the advertisement the other day was for this show Kara
Swisher Wants to Live Forever, and I guess the show
airs on CNN and listen. I have no idea what
a Karen Swisher is, but apparently it was a six
part CNN original series where journalist Kara Swisher investigates the
booming longevity industry, anti aging, and Silicon Valley's obsession with
defying death. And I've mentioned many times before that that's
really what these people who are in a different world,
who don't believe in God, who want to defy God,
who want to be their own God, and many of
those people don't want to submit to their creator because
it would affect their lifestyle and they don't want to
change who they are. So again, if you have everything
in the world, well that's what it's all about. They're
examining the tech bro culture, all of this biohacking and
all of this blood drinking it's really evil, and they
don't even hide it anymore. So it's very interesting to
me to see where they are. I saw some of
the clips from the Met whatever from last night, and
you know, these people obviously paying homage to Lucifer wearing
those ridiculous outfits. You know, it's really an interesting time
that we're living in. In twenty twenty six. I said,
twenty nineteen was just seven years ago. And I don't
think if we were there and saw what we saw today,
we would recognize what we see. And again, I truly
believe in twenty thirty we're not going to recognize life today.
That's how fast things are. Per dressing and you know
this out and about longevity obsessed billionaires who are concerned
about worldly things, and that met Gala. Many of the
posts I saw, here's this lady's eighty two years old
and she's still wearing skimpy dresses. Look at her. Good
for her. You know, empower and pride and all the
things the Bible warns us about, truly, and you know,
that's one thing you're never going to overcome. You may
think that you can, but you cannot. That's why, you know,
faith is so important right now. So we have a
lot to talk about today. I just wanted to get
that that shocked me when I saw these people are
so obsessed.
Speaker 4: Right, used to be.
Speaker 3: A conspiracy theory. They used to make movies about it. No,
people are generally looking for eternal life on Earth. I
couldn't imagine being one hundred and twenty years old, no
matter what I look like, right, And I've been saying
that for years. The whole Jeffrey Epstein was more about
what's on the surface. It's about bioengineering and wanting to
live forever, cracking the code, playing god right, and you know,
kind of a parallel babble instead of getting up into heaven,
making your own heaven here on earth. That's what they believe.
But they don't change their ways. They're going to have
a rough time. Oklahoma City. We have been looking at this,
you know, for the last couple of weeks and going
back over some YouTube clips, reading some articles. You know,
I'm not sure I completely understood back in nineteen ninety
five and nineteen ninety six how evil the powers that
be truly are. I think I was still naive at
that point and believe that our government was looking out
for their best interests. And sure there were time where
maybe we had to you know, sacrifice the needs of
the few for the needs of the many. Right, we
were fed those lies, and certainly after about the second
or third tour in Iraq that that's what we kept
telling ourselves. We're fighting the bad guys over here, so
they don't mess with our family and our countrymen over there.
And of course it was about resources and it was
about division, and sadly, you know, here in twenty twenty six,
you understand that war is also about killing Christians. You
have the generation before me who believes that everybody in
Iran is evil and going to Hell, and they're you know,
being restrained by evil dictators and this, that and the
other thing, and everybody in Israel is good. They're just
we have to do whatever we can to save them.
But thankfully through the duality. Right, we use that word
for describing evil things quite often, but you can use
technology for good as well, and through YouTube and you know, rumble,
sub stack, and yes, many of those platforms have withheld
the truth. And again people who you know, support the phrase.
You know, those words are hurtful, you know, hate speech.
That's that's the term I was looking for. Well, then,
who gets to be the arbiter of the truth, Who
gets to say what is hate speech and what is not?
The truth?
Speaker 4: Is the truth?
Speaker 3: And I said today, you know about John fourteen six.
You're not saved by your zip code. You're either in
Christ or you're anti Christ. And again, the generation before
me believes that you are saved by zip code. If
you are within the borders of Israel, then God has
a special plan for you. And no matter how many
times I I show some of those people John fourteen six,
Galatians three twenty eight, on and on and on, they
shake their head like they understand, but they truly don't.
And that's one of the frustrating parts of where we
are today, trying to get that across right, trying to
unprogramm fifty sixty seventy years of indoctrination. I have a
couple audio clips to kick things off with. The first
one is April nineteen ninety five and President then President
Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5: The bombing in Oklahoma City was an attack on innocent
children and defenseless citizens. It was an act of cowardice,
and it was evil. The United States will not tolerate it.
And I will not allow the people of this country
to be intimidated by evil cowards. I have met with
our team, which we assembled to deal with this bombing,
and I have determined to take the following steps to
assure the strongest response.
Speaker 6: To this situation.
Speaker 5: First, I have deployed a crisis management team under the
leadership of the FBI, working with the Department of Justice,
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, military and local authorities.
We are sending the world's finest investigators to solve these murders. Second,
I have declared an emergency in Oklahoma City, and at
my direction, James Lee Witt, the director of the Federal
Emergency Management Agency, is now on his way there to
make sure we do everything we can to help the
people of Oklahoma deal with the tragedy. Third, we are
taking every precaution to reassure and to protect people who
work in or live near.
Speaker 7: Other federal facilities.
Speaker 4: Let there be no room for doubt.
Speaker 5: We will find the people who did this. When we do,
justice will be swift, certain, and severe. These people are killers,
and they must be treated like killers. Finally, let me
say that I ask all Americans tonight to pray, to
pray for the people who have lost their lives, to
pray for the families and the friends of the dead
and the wounded, to pray for the people of Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3: And who exactly are you praying to, Bill, Because your God,
sadly is not the one I worship. Going to start
with an article from Sign of the Times from April nineteenth,
twenty thirteenth, that would have been the twentieth anniversary of Waco,
the eighteenth anniversary of Oklahoma City. And again they start
off with a picture of the image of the Murrah
Building from April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five. And of course
that they're like, seriously, a fertilizer bomb. Did this only
in the black op world where jet fuel can melt
to skyscrapers, right, And of course I'm laughing out of frustration,
not out of jest. But on April nineteenth, nineteen ninety three,
in Waco, Texas, the government And that's interesting, isn't it.
You know, here's Clinton saying what what should happen to them?
Knowing full well that he and Poppy Bush and the
powers that be were involved in this. Right, the reason
Clinton was appointed to hand over the rains is number one.
Poppy Bush preferred to do things behind the scenes. He
did so from the early sixties all the way up
until the time he died. He orchestrated ninety one the
original invasion of the golf and remember that is the
origin of God's creation, with the Tigris and Euphrates meet.
And he was more. It wasn't just about oil. It
was about history and preserving Israel, the geopolitical state of Israel,
and so many other things. But remember during the eighties,
you know, when Clinton was the power player in Arkansas
that were running drugs out of Mina, Arkansas, and you know,
Poppy said, you do this for me, We'll pay you back,
you know, And that's what happened.
Speaker 4: Ninety two he.
Speaker 3: Handed over the reins to Clinton. You saw so many
terrible things happened ninety three with Waco, ninety five, with
Oklahoma City ninety it was either ninety six or ninety
eight with TWA eight hundred. You know, a airplane, commercial
airplane getting shot down, and they blame it on something silly,
and they mock us right to our face. And now
we say God, small g is what they're saying. And
most people and all their cluelessness just don't quite get it.
But you know, here we are thirty three years, just
over thirty three years, Waco, Texas. Our government, the people
we pay our taxes to, incinerated eighty six of its
own citizens for the crime of exercising their constitutional rights
of freedom of religion, right to bear arms, and freedom
of speech. Timothy McVeigh, who had been at the scene
to witness some of the events during the preceding fifty
day standoff with US troops, witnessed the inferno erupt on
television Two years later to the day. On April nineteenth,
nineteen ninety five, the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was
destroyed by a bomb blast. McVeigh was arrested a short
time after being pulled over this genius for driving a
car with no license plate and possession of an unlicensed firearm.
Several days later, he was identified by witnesses as one
of the two people seen getting out of a rider
rental truck that was parked in front just before the blast.
The other suspect was never identified and his existence was
denied by the government, even though he was caught on videotape. Now,
it's interesting how many of you all remember from about
four years ago, I think the King Soups shooting, and
let's fact check myself here, King Soups shooting. Now, one
thing I do remember it was store number thirty three.
That it's just a coincidence. But it was March twenty second,
twenty twenty one. Okay, so this was still, you know,
with the height of the vaccine thing that was going on,
mass shooting at King Soups, which it's called King Soupers.
It's the big grocery chain out there in Colorado. When
we lived in Colorado Springs for seven years, that was
our little grocery store, not this particular one. But they
claimed the shooter, a twenty one year old by the
name of Ahmed al Aloui al Issa, there's your five a's,
was arrested after being shot in the right leg. And
again it's interesting that it was a store number thirty three,
and the headline of March nineteenth, twenty twenty one, of
I think it was the Denver Post, was that this
gun bill was dead on arrival, and you know he
you go three days later you have this mass shooting,
which listen, it's been a while since I went back
and relooked at this, But I remember thinking how orchestrated
much of it seemed to be. And I'm not saying
that they never sacrifice one or two people for the cause,
but the numbers fifty five convictions, thirty eight counts of
attempted murder, a man waiting in line for his COVID
nineteen vaccine, witnessed the gunman shoot a woman at the
front of the line, on and on and on. But
that the biggest takeaway from that from five years ago
was that, of course because of this event, well, they
pushed that bill right through. They always if there is
some type of counter terrorism bill, some type of gun
bill that is struggling, they will pull this mass event
and then people will get behind it. Yet, please do
whatever you have to do, just keep us safe. And
Oklahoma City was very similar to that. April nineteen ninety five,
the omnibus counter terrorism bill was struggling to get through Congress,
and after Oklahoma City, the tragedy looked like it had
been tailor made to rally public support for the tyrannical bill.
What other important facts, and I think I mentioned this
last week. Right the morning of the bombing on that
April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, the ATF office that was
located inside the Murrah Building was empty. That is unheard
of at nine am on a weekday. Once you start
getting into these coincidences, you know, it's very much that
that's quite an earmark for a conspiracy something grander. Look
at all the conspiracy or coincidences with nine to eleven. Right,
Oklahoma City Congressman or I should say Oklahoma Congressman Ernest
Istouk told a victim in a tape conversation in nineteen
ninety five that the Oklahoma City bombing was a failed
national security operation that used an FBI provocateur associated with
the militia Number four. The ATF was already putting out
a story that the Murrah Building was bombed because of Waco,
only a few hours after the actual blast and before
McVeigh was ever arrested. Now, once again you have another
connection to nine to eleven. You have the greatest crime
scene in American history, and within one hour you have
Paul Bremer an NBC studio saying Osama bin Laden did it.
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 3: They had it all figured out in an hour, the
greatest crime scene. But you know when Joe Schmell on
the corner gets you know killed. You know, the police
don't want to talk about anything too. You know, we
have to preserve all this evidence, and we have to
make sure our eyes are dotted and our teaser crossed.
Oh no, they had it all figured out within minutes.
And it was the same here. They were already putting
out those story number five and again this is a
big one. An unexploded bomb was found attached to a
gas line inside the building, and a FEMA memo reports
at least two additional bombs were found in the Murrah Building.
Joe Harp, based on his military explosives experience, identified the
additional bombs he saw removed from the building as being
military in nature. Not sure what a non military bomb
looks like, but okay. Number six. General Bent and parton
which we spoke at nauseum last week, stated in his
Oklahoma City bombing report to US Congress that the Murrah
Building was not caused solely by a truck bomb. The major,
the major factor in its destruction appears to have been
detonated by explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on
supporting columns within the building.
Speaker 7: We know that.
Speaker 3: Explosives, daisy cutters, whatever they were. NATO thermite was placed
carefully on the twin towers and that is what caused
the implosion of both buildings on September eleventh, two thousand
and one. And everybody just forgets about Building seven, right.
People just figure, oh, they build all those buildings pre
wirre just in case they have to pull them. Right,
you don't set charges in building while it's on fire.
Building one, Building two, and Building seven were all wired
prior to September eleventh, two thousand and one. They were
brought down for insurance reasons. And again I believe a
lot of those had documents that could have exposed some people.
And I think gold was taken. It was such a
wide array of reasons these things were carried out, and
of course the bigger reason was to get America behind
sending people, you know, to cause mayhem in the Middle East.
We have this country has been so detrimental to the world.
Were one of the youngest countries in the world. And
if you look at all the governments we've overthrown and
all the mayhem, and that's the thing that we have
to deal with is understanding that much of our comfort
comes at the expense of so many people. Whether it's
it's just a lot, I'll stay focused anyway. Number seven.
Prior to the Oklahoma City bombing, Arlen Spector, that's another
guy you could do a deep dive on, as well
as Clinton's NSC director, Anthony Lake had been advocating federal
national security operations to stop militias in America. And I
think this is where the deeper conspiracy lies. So Ruby Ridge,
and I was gone through a lot between ninety two
and ninety five. I was not very in touch with
what was really going on in the world, you know,
Ruby Ridge, And we're going to talk about that next week.
One of the the most gross, overstepping, evil things this
government has ever done. And that's why we have to
eliminate these tyrannical forces in the name of safety.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Anthony Lake. By the way, he gave a speech to
the Council on Foreign Relations in the fall of ninety four,
just six months prior to Oklahoma City, and he said
that the chief cornerstone of government policy was to pit
our society against militias. Now for the uneducated who think, yeah,
we don't need those bad you know, militias. You don't
understand the Second Amendment very well that there's still a
plethora of people who think the Second Amendment is there
for us to go hunting. No back when they wrote
that if you weren't hunting, there's a good chance you
weren't eating, at least not meat. I'm sure they had
places where you could go and buy food and butchers, etc.
But it's not like refrigeration was as handy like everybody
else has. It was to, you know, protect ourselves from
a tyrannical government, and now they've made it to where
you root for your own demise. And my buddy sent
me such a wonderful let me pull it out here,
something he said yesterday, and I'd like your thoughts on it.
Maybe you don't agree, and that's fine. We text each
other so much here.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: To live for a political party is unworthy of a
man who professes to be a Christian. And I do
have an issue with someone who speaks partisan poulolitics from
a pulpit. I don't think something as divisive as politics
now listen, advocating against abortion is not political. I think
every pastor should stand up to evil things like that,
like I was telling my buddy. Maybe half a mile
from my house growing up, there was an abortion clinic
in the seventies. It used to be an old Wilmington
Trust building, which was one of the major bank heres
back in the day. Now I think that got bought
out by M and T or something, but the bank
closed the location and an abortion clinic took it over.
And every Saturday, and I mean every Saturday, if memory
serves me correct, there were people outside picketing that this
abortion clinic, and my father would take water down there beverages.
I don't recall him ever participating, but I remember he
would run into the shop right and grab some water
and pass it out. And I was talking to my buddy,
I was like, when was the last time you saw
someone picketing outside of planned parenthood? There's one thirty minutes
from my house in downtown Dover. We we'll mention it
every now and then, but it's evil. You look at
the numbers you have, I believe, and it's a fact.
After ninety two and Ruby Ridge, I think it was August.
You know, we'll cover it next week. But after what
happened to Randy Weaver and his wife and his child
and his dog and what happened that day it angered
a lot of people. And then of course with Waco,
which we mentioned a few weeks ago, they had this
sexual harassment laws who make national news June of ninety two.
So they said, let's kill two birds with one stone.
Let's make you know, militias look evil. Let's take care
of these branch Davidians. And you know, in turn, we'll
make militias look bad, right, and we're going to make
the ATF look good. We're going to get that budget passed.
And the exact opposite happened. They ended up killing all
those people and descent grew larger. So with that larger descent,
they drew larger false flags to bring about more draconian laws,
and with the Omnibus, they started infiltrating militias taking down people.
Rudy Davis, God bless them, has been advocating for a
lot of these political prisoners for many, many years. He's
not as active as he used to be. I think
he's burned out, but he has done more more than
most people to help advocate and to pray for and
to put these people's plights out there who have been
framed by the government. It's truly a shame. And if
you seriously believe that McVeigh right, this supposedly rarely employed
drifter who again, I do think he was part of
the club. You don't get on the PSD of General
Schwartzkoff and you're some slacker, right, He was broken alone,
and as the government would have you believe, was able
to plan a symbol a sophisticated bomb pull off the
world's largest, you know, to that point, the largest terror
attack on American soil? Why do we keep believing this stuff?
If you look at the details, you'd have to conclude
that sure, he was a part of a very large
conspirac see involving pardon me, involving CIA sponsored domestic and
Middle Eastern helpers. Yes, and Middle Eastern two. They all
play a part of it. The FBI's refusal to follow
up and ignore so many leads went beyond its ordinary
incompetence and reaked of reason. And going back to what
Clinton said in that last clip, you're right, they should
be accountable for what they did. The government, the Renos,
the Clintons, the Specters, and many of the same characters
who played a part in nine eleven as well, McVeigh.
His attorney, Stephen Jones, who worked on the case for years,
believed McVeigh was just a part of a greater conspiracy.
Of course, the last thing McVeigh would do is turn
over information on co conspirators to those he despised. I
do think there is some truth to the fact. I
haven't looked into it very deeply that they faked his death.
There's lots of rumors, the witnesses who were there when
he was quote unquote executed. And yes, there is an
FBI agent who looks exactly like him.
Speaker 4: You can just.
Speaker 3: Google McVeigh FBI look alike and you'll see the picture
side by side. It's interesting and it reminds me of
the challengers, right, all those astro Knots who had twins,
Go google that one. I think five out of the
six or seven astro Knots had twins. Just a coincidence, right,
But McVeigh wanted himself seen as someone who fired the
first shot that would start a revolution against a government
capable of atrocities such as Ruby Ridge and Waco. And
it goes so much further than that. Lying about the
Gulf of Tonkin, sending fifty eight thousand men and women
to their death. And you know Agent Orange and the drugs,
the hippie movement, the gold standard being removed, FDR making
you turn in your gold at twenty three bucks, an
ounce raising it to thirty. That the government has continued
to be parasites to us and we still blatantly defend them.
We have to pick a team. No, you don't. You
don't have to pick a team at all.
Speaker 7: You don't.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: The rumor is that he wanted to take full credit
for the bombing. He didn't want to share it with everyone.
In this view, it would make him a mythic figure,
a martyr for the revolution. I don't know about that.
The Murror Building in Oklahoma City again, that was where
all the records of the Waco siege were being kept. Also,
there are rumors that all of the Clinton's Whitewater documents
were there as well. And that hearing, I think was
four days after the bombing, so the focus was taking
off the Clintons. McVeigh was seen with many many unidentified individuals,
many with Middle Eastern features. Would you say, Masad the
same people who maybe has something to do with nine
to eleven At the trial, these facts were not allowed
as evidence. Also, at his trial, his sister read a
letter from McVeigh to the grand jury in which he
told her he was going into the Special Forces Covert
Tactical Unit. There's also a picture of a mcveyish looking
fellow from this depot Army d poet. I want to say, Wisconsin,
and you can find that on the internet as well.
There's so many, so many ups and downs with this thing.
Survivor Jane Graham tells of three suspicious two three suspicious
men she saw in the Murrah building the week prior
to the bombing in the garage, and she was shocked
by the FBI's disinterest in the matter. Virgil Steel and
elevator inspector at the scene also saw two additional bombs
being removed from the building. Reports of additional bombs were
confirmed by the Oklahoma City Fire Department, and of course
there's the video of the two explosions, which, by the way,
they have done a heck of a job pulling off
the internet. They use trained explosive sniffing dogs to locate
the additional bombs. So not only did the devices found
in the Murrah building have to look like real bombs
to full the bomb squad. They had to smell like
real explosives to the bomb sniffing dogs. A video of
Timothy McVeigh from a security camera at a McDonald's in
Junction City, along with statements from the writer employees who
rented the truck, can be seen as proof that McVeigh
did not rent the rider truck used in the bombing.
McVeigh had been filmed by the security camera at the
McDonald's just minutes before the time stamped on the rental agreement,
wearing clothes that didn't match either of the men seen
at the truck rental center. There's also no plausible explanation
of how he traveled the mile in a quarter from
McDonald's to the rental agency Carlos alone without getting soaked
in the rain. Now, the three people interviewed agreed that
John Doe's one and two were dry. According to Stephen Jones,
mcveigh's first attorney, who had seen the interview transcripts, said
it took forty four days. Forty four days for the
FBI to convince the car rental agency owner that John
Doe Number one was Timothy McVeigh. In other words, they
browbeat them. Yeah, Yeah, that's him. Whatever, just leave me alone, right.
Speaker 4: That's what they did.
Speaker 3: And in the end they didn't dare put them on
the witness stand for fear of what would happen under
cross examination. And that might explain why the initial description
of John Doe one circulated by the FBI, referred to
a man with pockmark skin fairly stocky, stood about five
to ten. McVeigh was six y three then as a
rail one hundred and sixty pounds soak and wet, had
a smooth complexion. The FBI and US Army used National
Security Operation grounds to threaten Army recruiters with court martial
if they described publicly the John Doe provocateurs the recruiters
had seen with McVeigh in the Murrah Building, twenty miles
away from the blast. Seismographs at the University of Oklahoma
recorded not one, but two explosive events just after nine
am on April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, within just a
few seconds of each other. The Omniplex Science Center in
Oklahoma City recorded the same dual disturbance, the second one
stronger than the first. Doctor Charles Mankin, director of the
University of Oklahoma Geological Survey held a press conference shortly
after the bombing and told an assembly of journalists that
the seismic graph readings clearly indicated two explosions. Clearly. Even
the news media reported two bomb blasts initially, but they
changed their story. That's why it's important. When these events happen,
you have to harness that information, pull it off the
Internet and put it on your hard drive because they'll
scrub that anything that goes against the official narrative. So again,
there is a link between the Murrah Building bombing and
the events of No. Pine to eleven. The nineteen ninety
three World Trade Center bombing materials had been purchased with
a credit card of US Muslim and FBI provocateur named
Melvin Latimore.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 3: Lattimore was seen by four witnesses in mcveigh's car at
the Oklahoma City's Traveler Aid office adjacent to the Murrah
Federal Building, just one day before the Oklahoma City bombing.
Six FBI agents spent nine months browbeating the four witnesses
trying to make them to change their story about seeing
Lattimore at the Traveler's Aid Now Latimore was the roommate
of the twentieth nine to eleven Jacker Zacharias Massawai while
he attended the Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma in
two thousand and two thousand and one. Latimore was also
the roommate of Al Haasmi and Al Shahey in Norman, Oklahoma.
Retired to Air Force. General Benton Parton informed the Attorney
General Ashcroft in August of two thousand and one of
the Traveler's AIG story in writing and in person, and
of course nothing done was about Ashcroft.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: The other thing is what we call mk ultra. It
was reported that McVeigh receive some twelve or more visits
by doctor Jolly Jolly West, the UCLA mind control expert
for the CIA, who pronounced Jack Ruby insane after he
suggested a conspiracy with the jfk assassination. And of course,
if you're going to say his name, say correctly it's
Jack Rubinstein. He was also the government psychiatrist who handled
Sir hansir Hann as he awaited trial. You know that
was a phony shooting. Jolly West was when I say
you with phony shooting, Sir hanser Hann is not responsible
for killing RFK. Obviously RFK was murdered, but it was
a conspiracy, just like eleven twenty two sixty three. But
Jolly West was infamous for his early use of using
LSD on unsuspecting victims. He was the head of the
CIA's mind control program known as mk Ultra and was
a pioneer of electric brain experimentation. With the numerous sightings
of the John does with the Middle Eastern features, along
with the known CIA links to Middle Eastern terrorist organizations,
the statements of explosive experts that the truck bomb alone
would have not possibly caused the extensive damage that we saw,
the numerous witnesses claiming that they saw bombs being taken
out of the building after the explosion, the incredible unlikelihood
of McVeigh being able to pull this off without help
in powerful places, and I mean powerful places, and of course,
along with the FBI admitting that they withheld evidence, what
you see here is a web of lies and deceit
that was never untangled. And the truth about what happened
in Oklahoma City will never be told by the government.
It'll never be written in the history books. They'll never
feel any pressure too. What's on to the next thing.
The federal government did admit in May two thousand and
one that critical pieces of evidence and witnesses were not
allowed to be presented at his trial, delaying his execution
for another month, but the execution went ahead anyway. The
murders of Ruby Ridge and Waco are free and alive.
But on June eleventh, two thousand and one, there's that number.
Timothy McVeigh was put to death by means of lethal
injection at the hands of the US government. He was
silenced forever or was he taking the secrets of Oklahoma
City with him? Three months to the day later. Isn't
that interesting? Nine to eleven came with more new laws,
new wars, and the new terror that followed the glaring
questions of Oklahoma City are now a distant, faded memory.
And because they got away with this and nine to
eleven and COVID, your government continues to lie and falsely
accuse and to kill in order to maintain their balance
of power. And they're probably going to set off some
type of huge explosion in a major city. Blame it
on Iran so he can get the people behind us again, right,
because we're saddled with an electorate that is more concerned
with watching the next episode of Cops instead of standing
up for their constitutional rights. These abuses of power continue
to grow. Let's go back to the April nineteenth, nineteen
ninety five, when NBC first reported the day's events.
Speaker 7: And good morning everyone.
Speaker 10: I'm Matt Lower in New York and we do have
a special report from NBC News. There has been a
massive explosion at a federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
It happened just a short time ago. A large portion
of that building has collapsed and fallen away from the
rest of the building. At the moment, we don't have
any specific numbers on injuries or deaths, but we can
tell you that the Red Cross in the Oklahoma City
area has asked for all volunteers to report for duty. Also,
we can tell you that they've asked for donations of blood.
So the situation is obviously serious. We're going to go
right now and join our coverage of our sister station
KFLR in Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: They're on the air, and maybe they can give us.
Speaker 6: Some more information for our viewers who may have just
joined us.
Speaker 11: Let's go ahead and recap what happened.
Speaker 12: There was an explosion. It happened about an hour ago.
Speaker 13: As you said earlier, happened at about nine o'clock.
Speaker 14: You may have felt it at about nine o'clock.
Speaker 13: It was at the Alfred Murle Federal Building in downtown
Oklahoma City.
Speaker 15: Right now, we're about to get a live report from
the news channels.
Speaker 6: Tara Bloom, Tara, what can you tell us?
Speaker 16: Well, Lee, just take a look for yourself. There's the
Alfred Murray Federal Building behind me, and you can see
just how badly damaged it is.
Speaker 12: It's about half of the.
Speaker 16: Building that is literally hanging and at the bottom, the
bottom two floors are just stacked debris. Now, there are
several other buildings right around to give you an idea
of what kind of impact has had. Look at the
Regency Towers there. Almost all the windows have been blown
out of that hotel complex.
Speaker 1: There's several block area.
Speaker 16: It's complete devastation. Windows blown out of all the buildings.
Some of these older brick buildings, the brick walls have
collapsed and they are still taking away dozens of casualties
of this explosion. They've been running out of ambulances.
Speaker 10: You are watching live coverage from our station kfo R
in Oklahoma City. They are covering the explosion that took
place in that city a short time ago at the
Alfred Murray Federal Building. And again we'll have more information
for you on this NBC station as it is available
to us.
Speaker 3: There you go, interesting kind of timeline that is more
probably connected to nine to eleven. But I think it's
important to be noted that from eighty eight to ninety five,
Khalid Sheik Mohammad's brother worked for a charity, and that's
white so important. You know, for quite some time we
got pretty deeply involved into the nine to ninety These
nonprofit tax returns and nonprofits are used, you know, as
kind of these shell organizations to funnel money. To know,
many of these terrorist organizations, a lot of them go
to Israel. You look at what whether it's the Bill
and Melinda Gates Foundation, the American Heart Association, just it's unbelievable.
You know, they pull on the heartstrings of Americans and
they give their hard earned money on top of all
the other money that's been pulled from them through taxes
and everything else. And then you see where the money
actually goes. It gets a little infuriating. But Zaheed Shaik Muhammad,
the brother of one of the players who was a
ground level player who helped carry things out. Khalid shake
Mohammad works as the head of the Pakistani branch of
the charity Mercy International. Now they used to be a
much more powerful, well funded nonprofit. I think they kind
of went by the wayside in twenty thirteen. But there
was a book published in nineteen ninety nine that alleged
that this charity that is based in the US and Switzerland. Right,
you hear about the city of London, you hear about Rome,
you hear about Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, but I'm telling
you Switzerland plays such a large role on the world stage.
Everything that goes on there, whether it's cern the World
Economic Forum, you name it. But it was used by
the CIA to funnel money to these militants fighting against
US enemies, such as places in Bosnia and Afghanistan. And
it's not known when Zaheed got involved with a charity,
but he was heading the Pakistani branch by nineteen eighty
eight when his nephew rams At Usef first goes to
Afghanistan and you all know that story. But in the
spring of nineteen ninety three, the story goes that US
investigators raise Zaheed's house while searching for USEEF, documents and
pictures are found suggesting close links and even a friendship
between Zaheed and OBL. And again, how much is this
is the CIA leading lower agency on you know, a
goose hunt, a wild goose chase to create a narrative.
I can tell you firsthand that when we were in Iraq,
or RS two or G two would get information from
the CIA, and much of it was nonsense to keep
us busy, and I think a lot of this is
probably the same. But despite the raids that Heat apparently
kept his job until about February of ninety five, just
a couple of months before Oklahoma City, when Yusef was
arrested in Pakistan, investigators learned he had made a phone
call to the Mercy Office. And there's an entry for
USEF Sieve's telephone directory for as a Heed Sheik Mohammed.
And again here's another nonprofit that has played a part
on the world stage, you know, tugging at the heartstrings,
taking our money and using it against us. It's unclear
what subsequently happens does a Heed In ninety nine, it
will be reported that he's believed to be in Kuwait,
but in two thousand and two, the Kuwaiti government will
announce he is a member of al Qaeda, and we
know they're well financed by some of the bigger players
on the world stage. Now, another story about Oklahoma City
that doesn't get talked about enough. There was an unknown
DNA sample obtained but was not provided during the Oklahoma
City bombing investigation. This story is from December tenth, twenty fifteen.
This is Fox twenty five as Oklahoma failed to honor
one of the victims in the Oklahoma City bombing, or
did investigators sit on the crucial clue to identify another
conspirator for nearly two decades. These are questions about the
bombing that many thought was closed years ago. And of
course many of the people they just think, you know
what they're told, Well, yeah, McVeigh did it. He was
killed June eleventh, two thousand and one. Moving on what
Fox twenty five, working with the Washington Times, has confirmed
that Oklahoma officials have a DNA profile that was never
identified from the April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five bombing of
the Alfred P. Mura Federal Building. That DNA sample came
from the unmatched left leg found at the seam of
the bombing. Oklahomans will likely remember the controversy surrounding the
leg back in the late nineties. Originally, an unmatched leg
was identified as a missidentified body part that actually belonged
to the unknown bombing victim or sorry, a bombing victim.
Airman first Class Lakeisha Levy now Lakisa's body was exhumed
to replace the leg, and officials discovered she'd been buried
with the wrong left leg and that leg was never identified.
The government argued that the leg was not identified because
of a paperwork error. In testimony and reports filed for
multiple trials of both McVeigh and Nichols, investigators said it
was not possible to obtain DNA from the sample. At
mcveigh's trial, his attorney, Stephen Jones argued, the leg was
proof of a third conspirator. This is huge, and it
was buried. Most people aren't even aware of this quote.
We had no DNA evidence at the trial, and the
government did not test for DNA evidence, or if they
did test, they didn't want to tell us. And it
turns out the state did indeed have a DNA profile.
The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's office confirmed it was in
possessed of a DNA profile along with tissue samples from
the leg. Amy Elliott, the chief administrative officer, told Fox
twenty five that the sample was compared to ten known victims,
but it did not match any of those people. Elliott,
who was not with the office in nineteen ninety five,
said she does not know what process was used to
determine which victims were compared to the sample now. Fox
twenty five also contacted attorneys who represented Terry Nichols for
his state trial. These attorneys say they do not recall
ever being provided a DNA sample from the unmatched leg.
Lu Keel, one of the Oklahoma County District attorneys who
prosecuted Nichols, said he was unaware if a DNA test
was ever performed on the leg, or if it was
even possible to run a DNA test on the leg.
How did the existence of an unknown DNA sample not
emerge in the twenty years since the bombing. There may
not be an answer to that question, but Jeffrey Scott
Shapiro with The Washington Times told Fox twenty five, quote,
it is my understanding that the relationship between the Oklahoma
City and the federal authorities. Was extremely contentious, part me
contentious during the investigation and the trials. And I think
there had to be some folks within the Oklahoma City
Police Department that were still pretty upset about what happened
to Terrence Yankee and they wanted no parts of the government.
And again, you know, we've been looking at this for
the last couple of weeks, reading old articles, listening to
the old YouTube videos, pulling, you know, footage from that day,
hearing the first hand reports when the incident was just
a couple hours, you know, when it had just happened.
This is some deep evil stuff. I mean, we in
this community we talk about nine to eleven all the time.
We talk about COVID all the time, and rightly so.
But because we allowed this to pass is the reason
nine to eleven was allowed to happen. And because we
gave them a pass for nine to eleven is the
reason COVID happened. And if we continue to play their game,
it's going to continue to happen. We have here people
that today still walk unaccountable for the crimes committed in
Oklahoma City, and at that time that that was the
most expensive FBI investigation on record. It's unbelievable, right, you
have an unmatched portion of a left leg. You know
it was an issue because another leg was later matched
to the DNA of Lakeisha Levy, whose coffin had to
be reopened because she was buried with the wrong leg.
And then the defense argued, well, there's a good chance
it could belong to another bomber because all the victims
had been accounted for. It's a huge issue. I've got
so many things to cover still and were already fifty
four minutes in. You know, a couple of things I
will cover. I can never get to all my notes.
Remember that the core of the Patriot Act was drafted
by Joe Biden, you know, before he he turned into
stumbling and bumbling Joe back, you know, five or six
years ago. But few people knew that it was Joe
Biden who drafted the core provisions that were included that
bill in nineteen ninety five. This article is from c NEET.
In two thousand and eight, months before the Oklahoma City
bombing took place, Biden introduced another bill called the Omnibus
Counter Terrorism Act of nineteen ninety five. It previewed the
two thousand and one Patriot Act by allowing secret evidence
to be used in prosecutions, expanding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act wiretap laws, creating a new federal crime of terrorism
that would be based on political beliefs, permitting the US
military to be used in civilian law enforcement. That that's
why our policemen look like, you know, the Marines. Now
allowing permanent detention of non US citizens without judicial review.
That's what January sixth, that's why we had people detain
Jeremy Brown. Isn't it interesting? The guy who wrote it
in ninety five was the guy who took these political
prisoners in twenty one. Man, think about that, allowing permanent
detention first of non US citizens without judicial review. But
doesn't really matter, does it. The Center for National Security
Studies said the bill would a road constitutional and statutory
due processed right though in the fourth and sixth right
out the window, authorizing the Justice Department to pick and
choose crimes to investigate and prosecute based on political beliefs
and associations. Biden himself draws parallels between his ninety five
bill and its two thousand and one cousin, the Patriot Act.
Speaker 17: Quote.
Speaker 3: I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing,
and the bill John Ashcroft sent up my bill was
my bill. Pardon me, And he said that when the
Patriot Act was debated, according to The New Republic, which
described him as the Democratic Party's de facto spokesman on
the war against terrorism. So again, Biden's proposal probably did,
indeed help lay the groundwork for the Bush administration's Patriot Act.
And it just goes to show you that the left
wing and the right wing belong to the same corrupt birds.
It really is. And we get people still, you know,
watching Fox News eighteen hours a day, getting all invested
in this nonsense where these people, they are not out
to help you, the Center for National Securities reported in
ninety five. On February tenth, nineteen ninety five, a counter
terrorism bill drafted by the Clinton administration was introduced in
the Senate as S three to ninety. In the House
of Representatives, it was HR ninety six or eight ninety six.
I should say the Clinton bill is a mixture of
provisions eroding constitutional and statutory do process protections and against
selective federalization. It's just taking away right authorizing the Justice
Department to pick and choose crimes, repealing provisions barring the
military from civilian law enforcement, expanding pre trial detention scheme
that puts the burden of proof on the accused. That's
not it was an you know, I told you about
the fourth loosen the carefully crafted rules governing federal wire taps.
That was a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Then of course,
establishing special courts that would use secret evidence to order
the deportation of persons convicted of no crimes, on and
on and on, really evil stuff. And you know, I
may do a third episode because there's some things I
have to cover, but this week I'm really stringent on time.
As I mentioned, we're also going to cover Ruby Ridge
next week as well. I may do two episodes next
week to kind of get caught up, and then the
following week, the week before Memorial Day, we're going to
kind of do the state of the Fact Hunter podcast
reflection on a few things and where we see going forward.
But I want to play some more classical audio on
the backside of this. I've got to get back to work.
You know, there are so many things to talk about.
We mentioned all the time that you could literally have
a weekly episode NonStop on nine to eleven. And the
more I dig into Oklahoma City, the more I realized
we could do a year long podcast on Oklahoma City
if you break down the individuals and the people, and
the government cover ups and the Terrence Shakes, the mcveigh's,
the Nichols, the John Doees, the Middle Eastern connections. It
is so much. And you know, they take one guy
who they probably am k ultra and got to believe
and to be a hero, to be a martyr for
the people of Waco. Meanwhile, all the other people who
actually cause this walk free. So there you go. God
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I say, Hunter, we haven't been able to dispatch
anybody yet thanks to harm.
Speaker 19: On April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, as many people were
starting their workday, A beautiful spring morning in the Heartland
became chaos when at nine oh two am, explosions tore
through the Alfred Pimura Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City.
Speaker 11: An explosion at nine o'clock this morning that did that
damage you're looking at right there, blowing off the entire
north face of that building.
Speaker 20: The federal building, located two hundred north West fifth Street,
was almost completely destroyed.
Speaker 21: A terrible tragedy has occurred here in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 5: The bombing in Oklahoma City was an attack on innocent
children and defenseless citizens.
Speaker 19: One hundred and sixty eight people were killed in the
blast and over eight hundred wounded. The hospitals were overrun
with casualties. A rescue worker was killed from falling debris
within the first few hours. But what would sear the
bombing in the hearts of Americans was the nineteen children
inside the daycare center in the building who had lost
their lives.
Speaker 22: The most beautiful memorial left by anyone is not in
the rubble of this building, but in the hearts and
the lives that knew them and loved them. We come
to day to remember their lives, and we come to
day to offer thanks thanks for the hundreds and hundreds
of people who were involved in the rescue and recovery efforts.
Speaker 19: Six years before nine to eleven, it was the first
mass casualty terrorist attack on American soil. The prologue to
a new chapter in American history had been written in blood, fear,
and shock. Terrorism had struck home. From now on, nothing
would be the same again.
Speaker 13: We know that more than Veyh and Nichols were involved.
Speaker 23: There were questions of other bombs being found at the
scene of the crime.
Speaker 6: Witnesses to the bombing.
Speaker 24: The FBI, like any government agency, is more concerned with power, prestige,
maintaining its position rather than truth and justice.
Speaker 2: Based on the damage pattern to the building, what the
government sends impossible.
Speaker 8: That life we had back before the bombing, that life
is over.
Speaker 25: For the first time in my fight with them, they
stepped forward and said it would pose a grave risk
to the national security of United States of America if
we release the CIA documents.
Speaker 4: If you know the truth and truthful, such a.
Speaker 26: Fruit, you've got the band together, or it's over for
all of us.
Speaker 4: The man on top will get.
Speaker 27: You if we don't expose the fact that Oklahoma City
stinks to high heaven.
Speaker 7: The same people that.
Speaker 27: Carried it out are going to do it over and
over and over again, and they're going to use these
frightening events to drive a stake through the United States
and kill our republic.
Speaker 19: Almost immediately, the Oklahoma City Police Department announced a be
on the lookout alert for two Middle Eastern looking suspects
wearing blue jogging suits. Shortly before the bombing, they were
seen by a witness running from the Mirror building and
getting into a brown pickup truck, then driving away from
the scene of the crime. It was soon determined that
a truck bomb had exploded directly outside the building, approximately.
Speaker 28: Two hundred feet from the bomb crater.
Speaker 19: A ven number stamped on a twisted axle identified the
vehicle as a rider rental truck.
Speaker 11: Two suspects are in custody this evening in the bombing
of Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal Building.
Speaker 19: Shortly after the bombing, a twenty six year old U. S.
Army veteran Timothy McVeigh, was pulled over by an Oklahoma
Highway Patrol officer sixty miles north of Oklahoma City. He
was stopped for speeding in his car without a license plate.
McVeigh would admit to carrying a concealed handgun and was
taken into custody without incident. It was the first time
Timothy McVeigh had been arrested in his life. The original
alert for two Middle Eastern males had been rescinded within
hours of the bombing, and the identification number on the
rider axel was traced to a rental agency in Kansas.
The renter had given a false name, but had listed
his address as a farmhouse in Michigan belonging to James Nichols.
James's brother, Terry Nichols, was a friend of Tim McVay
their time in the US Army. Upon hearing the news
that he was wanted for questioning in the bombing, Terry
Nichols turned himself into the Harrington, Kansas Police Department. Within
twenty four hours after the attack, the FBI had received
a tip from a former coworker of Tim McVeigh in Buffalo,
New York. The tipster informed the FBI that McVeigh had
often espoused militant anti government views and that McVeigh was
very angry over the siege of the Branch Davidians by
federal agents in Waco, Texas, which had ended in a
catastrophic fire two years to the day before the Oklahoma
City bombing.
Speaker 8: That Friday, they showed the FBI Briggan Tam McVeigh out
of the jail in Perry, Oklahoma. And that's when I
got angry. When I saw that it was an American
and it was a Middle easterns I had a hard
time except in the fact that Americans would that Americans
are supposed to love their children. They are not supposed
to murder their children.
Speaker 6: Shaken, disillusioned, angered that that could happen in this country.
Speaker 19: Upon learning that McVeigh was already in jail, the FBI
transferred him to federal custody and an indictment was issued
against Tim McVay, Terry Nichols, and others unknown for the
bombing of the Muraw Federal building. Another army buddy of mcveigh's,
Michael Fortier of King in Arizona, was later arrested and
charged with having advanced knowledge of the bombing plot.
Speaker 29: The last thing I remember was being thrown to the
center of that room and looking up and looking into
the sky, and there was no roof, and everything was
just suspended up in the air in the sky.
Speaker 30: When I came to you stood up stace in the south,
but all the light was behind me. I turned looked
back to the north, and the whole front of the buildings. Yahn,
I'm about four to five feet from where it dropped off.
Speaker 20: In the morning of April the nineteenth ninety five, my
dog Gunny and I arrived at the scene of the
Murror building. There was a great deal of chaos at
the scene, a lot of people being screaming, running work
from the building.
Speaker 8: I lost my two grandchildren. They were in the daycare
center at the Morrow Building. Their names were Aaron and
Elijah Coverdale. Aaron was five years old, Elijah was two.
I was living at the Regency when the bombing happened.
That morning, I was at work. I had custody of
Aaron and Elijah, so they lived with me, and I
had dropped them off at the daycare center that Wednesday morning.
I'd get up in the middle of the night and
get in a shower and turn the water on so
people wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Hear me scream.
Speaker 8: And I just scream at God and ask him what
was wrong? Why were we being punished?
Speaker 14: So I knew the Coverdale boys, Elijah and Aaron, these
two boys, they were characters. They me being single and
living in this apartment. I was kind of a party
guy at that time, twenty seven years old. At one
point in time, I had promised these two boys that
I was going to give them some toys.
Speaker 6: And problem with that.
Speaker 14: Living in the Regency and on the eighteenth floor, you
leave something in your car, you don't want to go
back down and get it because it's just a hassle
unless it's ice cream. And so I left these toys
in the car for the longest time that.
Speaker 6: I never did get them those toys.
Speaker 14: Until you know, after they passed away, when I came
to Janie.
Speaker 30: Well, then I got watching the stuff down on the
street and kind of got mesh maris of what was
going on down on the street. While I was standing
up there, there was a little girl that was taking
out a photography UCO that took a picture of the building,
and I was in that picture.
Speaker 12: You could not see anything in front of you. It
was so the smoke was so thick.
Speaker 29: And so black, and the only thing I can tell
you is it smelt like sulfur.
Speaker 12: If you were in a chemistry lab. It smelt like sulfur.
Speaker 29: And she said, you can't go that way, And I
said why, She said, there is nothing out there.
Speaker 12: It's gone.
Speaker 19: The reasons for the bombing, the perpetrators, the rumors, and
the suspects changed depending on whose viewpoint you take. Like
all controversial events, some of those closest to the event
and farthest away are bound together by the questioning of
the official story. The first questions were directed at the
Bureau of Alcohol back On Firearms, which had launched the
raid on the branch Davidians. The Oklahoma City office for
the ATF was located in the Murror building and was
the supposed target of the attack. Yet no agents were
killed or seriously wounded. Was the ATF office empty that morning?
Speaker 31: I asked if I could speak with an ATF officer
that worked in the building so I could find out
if they knew anything about my wife. And he told
me that they were in debriefing and asking, you know,
I need to talk to one of them. I need
to find out something. And he said that none of
them had been in the building, so they weren't hurt.
They had been tipped by their pagers that morning not
to come into work.
Speaker 19: The ATF told several different stories to explain their agent's
curious absence. The most fantastic story was that two agents
were indeed inside the building and we're heroes.
Speaker 28: That day.
Speaker 19: Agent Luke Freanney claimed that he was knocked unconscious by
the blast and after an aboard of helicopter Rescue, crawled
onto an outside.
Speaker 28: Ledge to escape his office.
Speaker 19: Frannie reported that he then used his martial arts skills
to break through several walls and injured his hand. Another agent,
Alex McCauley, claimed that he was in an elevator at
the time of the bombing. After free falling for five floors,
McCauley supposedly broke out and rescued several people.
Speaker 21: My crews were the crews working on the Murror billing
the day of the bombing. Immediately after the bombing, they
called me on the radios and at that point they
were going in to assist with because the fire department
hadn't even got there yet. They were going to check
to make sure all the elevators were clear. They weren't
aware because they were coming from the south side that
the building on the north side was gone, so they
went in to check the elevators and that's when they
found out how bad the damage was inside the building.
Not the ellador went the fee fall because the governor
overspeeds were not tripped. The safety mechanisms on the bottom
of the elevators were not tripped, so none of the
elevators had a free fall condition. I think it was
McCauley indicated that they were trapped in an elevator. So
at the grand jury investigation, once I got the female
report that showed to put the elevator they were in,
I said that there's no possible way they could have
been in that elevator because my men checked it and
it was still locked from the top and the doors
were the wall had came in against the doors between floors,
so that they couldn't have gotten down the elevator without assistance.
Speaker 19: Jane Graham worked in the building for over a decade,
was vice president of the Federal Employees Union, and has
testified before Congress on labor issues. She knew everyone in
the building and bore witness to suspicious behavior that morning.
Speaker 29: On the morning of the bombing. When my husband dropped
me off and I got out of the car. As
I was walking toward the end, there were two men
standing directly in front of the double doors, and there
was a little uh sitting area there, planter and so
forth there in front. They were standing right there on
the sidewalk. They had on ATF jackets which said ATF
on them.
Speaker 12: They were talking to a third gentleman who was dressed
in business clothes.
Speaker 29: And I saw them. Their backs were to me, and
I thought, it is not They don't normally. You know,
all the people we see go up there to at
and they're never identifiable, you know, they always are dressed.
Speaker 12: You know, a lot of them.
Speaker 29: Look like drug people and other things, you know, but
they're certainly not dressed for you to be able to
tell who they are.
Speaker 19: A Paramedica responded to the bombing. Tiffany Bible confirms that
the ATF were not in their office and in fact
may have been aware of some type of threat that day.
In this Affidavid, she's that immediately after the bombing, she
asked an ATF agent on the scene if any of
them were in the building. He responded, no, we weren't
in there today and that the Mirror Building was bombed
because of Waco. She further states that within the first
twenty minutes of the bombing, she saw at least eight
ATF agents outside the building in clean black jumpsuits. To
this day, the ATF has been unwilling to address their
prior knowledge of the bombing. Beyond the vague rumors of
the significance of April nineteenth, some federal agencies were aware
of an actual threat.
Speaker 23: One of the most frustrating things about prior knowledge is
that the media, some in the media and others would
accuse us of saying that the government blew the building up,
which we never said, and I do not believe.
Speaker 19: The US Marshals responsible for security of federal personnel and
facilities warned that quote Islamic terrorists may be planning suicide
attacks against federal courthouses and government installations designed to attract
worldwide press attention through the murder of Nison victims. The
ATF had placed informant Carol Howe into a white separatist
community in eastern Oklahoma called Elwim City. Another ATF agent
admitted under oath that one suspect, Andy Strassmeyer, was reported
to make quote threats to blow up federal buildings unquote
before the Oklahoma City bombing. Furthermore, Carol Howe actually drove
Strasmeyer and other suspects to Oklahoma City to scout bombing targets.
Was this the source of the ATF suspicious behavior? The
morning of April nineteenth, US Representative Ernest Istuk of Oklahoma
also displayed advance knowledge of the bombing.
Speaker 32: To my left, from the east, I saw Senator Is
took kind of work his way west. Well, he came
up to me and we started talking small talk, you know,
terrible thing all this, and really didn't know what much
to say, and he said often. He made comment, yeah,
we knew this was going to happen.
Speaker 33: I noticed the lady back behind me by back hole.
They're taking pictures. She identified herself as an attorney, Lani
Atlanta Tyree, and she was with Ernest his test and
she made a comment to me that Histock told her
that they were ware of a tomb thread since April ninth.
You didn't really think much about it until this Grand
Juria stuff our probe and into it, and people were
claiming that there wasn't any prior knowledge you know. I
started thinking about it, and we got with Dave and
we put two and two together and he said, Hey,
somebody knew about prior bomb threat.
Speaker 4: You know this, I'll be known.
Speaker 9: Everyone who knows me knows I would not sit idle
if I knew about a conspiracy of silence. I would
never rest until such a conspiracy was exposed. But I
know of no such conspiracy.
Speaker 19: This took has denied this evidence under oath, but he
has never answered the Oklahoma County shriff s Deputy's challenge
to subject his opposing versions of prior knowledge to polygraph testing.
Many witnesses have officially stated that the Oklahoma County bomb
Squad was conducting a search at the Federal Courthouse across
the street from the Murrah Building two hours before the attack.
Speaker 12: Trish Nicks I ran into her.
Speaker 29: She was another employee there at HUD and she had
asked me if I had seen the bomb squad that morning,
and I had said no, I wasn't aware that they
had been.
Speaker 12: In the building.
Speaker 29: And she said yes, she had seen their unit parked
in the parking lot of the church.
Speaker 12: Across the street.
Speaker 19: County Appraiser J. D. Reid saw the bomb disposal unit
parked outside the courthouse that morning, despite multiple eyewitnesses. The
Sheriff's department denies this claim.
Speaker 34: If that building was under threat and they were getting
bomb threats and this was a daily thing or a
weekly thing, or if they've gotten many, brand thoroughly one
that parents and the children and that daycare deserved to
have been notified. People do not keep children in daycares
where there are bomb threats made.
Speaker 19: Under the pressure of mounting evidence. ABC's twenty twenty reported
on many of these puzzling questions a year and a
half after the bombing.
Speaker 35: At issue increasingly for some of the victims and their families,
What did authorities know? Are suspect before the explosion that
federal workers and the children arriving at the oral building
did not know or were not told.
Speaker 36: There was this fairly large truck with a trailer behind it,
and it had a shield on the side of the door,
and it said bomb disposal or bomb squad.
Speaker 7: Blow it.
Speaker 37: Authorities now claim in federal investigative reports that the huge,
ominous truck with its trailer was being used by a
deputy to run routine errands. Other documents obtained by twenty
twenty showed that someone called the Executive Secretariat's office at
the Justice to Department in Washington and said the Moral
Building had been bombed, But this was twenty four minutes
before the blast. No action was apparently taken.
Speaker 19: According to the show's producer, and the Justice Department actively
intervened to prevent an in depth follow up to the
segment from Marry Nationally.
Speaker 23: Twenty twenty did a fifteen or twenty minute segment on
prior knowledge that was put together by a guy named
Roger Charles that was so explosive that he was putting
together an entire hour or whatever for twenty twenty, which
he would tell you, but the Feds came in and
stopped twenty two. We wouldn't let them broadcast the larger
segment that he put together concerning prior knowledge.
Speaker 38: The New Channel has learned of another strange development.
Speaker 3: Apparently before the.
Speaker 15: Bombing, Governor Frank Keating's brother Mark had been working on
a novel about a terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 4: Stranger Still.
Speaker 39: One of the carriacters in the novel was named Thomas mcle.
Speaker 19: Despite the official denials, the evidence confirm is that at
least some amount of prior knowledge existed. More ominously, there
are suggestions that certain government agencies were fully expecting a
bombing to occur that day.
Speaker 20: The Horsetrow, interestingly, was a very small unit and was
assisted by the County Reserve Mounted Patrol unit for whatever reason.
On the morning morning of the bombing, they had been
assigned and had already met at the Ookholm City Canine
Facility and.
Speaker 6: Had prepared their horses, their.
Speaker 20: Attack and uniforms to go downtown for crowd control. Rarely,
very rarely would they go down and patrol or work
downtown area for crowd control for anything.
Speaker 19: The importance of exposing prior knowledge cannot be understated. Those
individuals who understood the danger beforehand and did nothing are
just as guilty as those who lit the fuse on
the bomb. As the FBI and Department of Justice narrated
its focus on Tim McVay as the Loane bomber on
April nineteenth, people seeking truth and justice for the dead
were dismayed that so many reports of accomplices were being
discarded by the federal authorities. The first sketches of the
suspects released by the FBI clearly indicated that two people
were involved in parking, the rider truck in front of
the Murror building, and the original bola or be on
the lookout alert had mentioned three suspects. When the hunt
for John Doe number two was called off and he
was dismissed as a ghost, people who knew for a
fact that they had seen McVeigh with other people began
to speak out did McVeigh act alone?
Speaker 20: During that time, broadcasts were being made through the sound
suspects had been observed leaving the scene in a brand.
Speaker 14: At this time, people were trying to get together on
who was going to do what, medical personnel and such.
There was a police car sitting to my left facing
west on fifth Street, and as we were all standing
there conversing and you know, people were doing what they
were doing, he came out over the radio on this
police car that they were looking for a brown truck,
an APB for a brown truck.
Speaker 6: It was quick, but it was heard.
Speaker 8: I haven't stopped asking questions because I know that we
haven't been told the truth. I've talked to too many
people that saw Timothy mcveay that morning, saw Timothy McVeigh
in Kansas, and saw Timothy McVey and Oklahoma City not
one person saw him by himself.
Speaker 40: Timothy McVay stepped out of the truck.
Speaker 6: I walked him over to.
Speaker 40: Let's say, ten eleven feet away from the truck itself.
I pointed direction downtown, which is tomorrowright. He seemed to
acknowledge what I was talking about. At that time, the
gentleman walked back to the truck.
Speaker 6: I talked to him.
Speaker 40: I also noticed there was a passenger in the truck
at that.
Speaker 2: Time, And mostly it was a John Doe too thing,
because as you remember, the greatest manhood that has ever been,
and then all of a sudden, hey, he doesn't em exist.
If he doesn't exist, I wasn't a man. I mean
things like that that was continually coming out.
Speaker 8: I know for a fact Timothy McVeigh was with another
individual on the morning of.
Speaker 36: April nineteenth, right before the bombing. Because the evidence is
overwhelming and compelling, But there were other perpetrators and they
were not pursued. In the very early days after the bombing,
the decision was made not to pursue any more of
those individuals.
Speaker 19: In the days before the bombing, tim McVeigh was seen
making preparations with other suspects, not Terry Nichols or Michael
forty eight, but others unknown whom the authorities seemed uninterested
in finding.
Speaker 14: Yeah, the man that I saw on the phone that day,
that was actually on the phone was McVeigh.
Speaker 6: I am one hundred percent sure of that.
Speaker 14: He had a partner with him that had shoulder length
hair that was leaned up against the wall facing him.
Then at one point he turned the guy to his
right who was leaning against the wall shoulder length hair, and.
Speaker 6: Said, he told us to stay here.
Speaker 14: I did go up to the FBI at fifty pen
Place and told him my story. If I remember right,
I think they actually sketched out the second person that
I was describing, which was shoulder length hair, tan, stocky build,
a light plaid type jacket, shirt, kind of mix, kind
of goofy looking guy.
Speaker 19: A convenience store clerk reported to the FBI that McVeigh
had purchased fuel for a rider truck at her store
two days before the bombing, even pointing out on the
register tape when the purchase was made. A company in
McVay was another suspect. This example is only one of
many eyewitness accounts that diverged from the official narrative, and
although the government states that McVay never scouted inside the
Murror building, a secret Service investigator reported that she had
seen him in the building, also with a second suspect.
The official narrative dictates that Tim McVay alone rented the
rider truck in Junction City, Kansas, on April seventeen, two
days before the bombing. He and Terry Nichols supposedly constructed
the bomb on April eighteen, but the bulk of eyewitness
accounts assert that the rider truck was at Geary Lake
for several days before that.
Speaker 41: I retired April eleventh, nineteen ninety five, and after finished
that morning on decided to stop my heir and fish
at Geary State Lake, which is right in this general
area here that I was fishing from the pier or jetty,
and I stayed here most of the afternoon fishing, of course,
with no luck. And later on that afternoon I had
decided to maybe go back over this way over here
to the other point back here and see if I'd
have any luck I wanted.
Speaker 7: I noticed a.
Speaker 41: Rider truck over there. I was sitting at home one
day and my wife came in from work and she
said that she had been stopped in a roadblock up
here at Gary Lake in reference to the Oklahoma City
bombing and the making of the bomb here at Geary
State Lake, and.
Speaker 6: With a rider truck.
Speaker 41: And I said, well, you know, I had told you
about the rider truck I had seen there before this,
and that's how I became aware of it. And then
the next thing, he told the IF and FBI the
people at the roadblock that what I had seen, and
before I knew it, my house was forming with.
Speaker 6: Agents.
Speaker 19: McVeigh stayed at the Dreamland Motel just outside the gates
of Fort Riley, Kansas, while he rented the truck and
built the bomb. Once again, I witnessed his state that
he was not alone and the rider truck was there
for days before. The FBI insists it was. The maid
at the Dreamland saw mcveigh's friend with the rider truck
and when showing a sketch of John Doe number two,
told the FBI, my god, who did the sketch?
Speaker 28: It looks just like him.
Speaker 19: All these reports indicate that more than one rider truck
was involved in the bombing, and more people. Then the
government is letting on.
Speaker 4: Justice for these killers.
Speaker 5: Will be certain, swift and severe. We will find them,
we will convict them, and we will seek the.
Speaker 6: Death penalty for them.
Speaker 19: It was promised to the people of Oklahoma City and
to the rest of America that every single person responsible
for the bombing would be caught, tried, and held accountable
for the harm they had inflicted. It was expected that
this promise would be fulfilled. Nevertheless, as eyewitnessed testimony and
other promising leads were being carelessly discarded, replaced only with
the lies and inconsistencies of federal officials, a deep but
private suspicion grew in the minds of observers that perhaps
a government cover up was under way. Was this mere
and competence or was there something else at work here.
Speaker 13: I was a police officer in Tulsa Police Department for
twenty seven years, and in nineteen ninety five, when the
Oklahoma City bombing occurred, I was requested by the local
FBI office, through our chief of police, to assist any
way I could and look into the bombing and using
my contacts as an investigating journalist, which is what I
did on the side, to try to find out anything
we could find out about the bombing. McVeigh, Nichols and
just kind of followed the investigation any place it went,
just follow the leads. I was still working in the
case with Jane Davis and David Hoffman to Oklahoma City
Police officers and one of them, it was one of
the first ones in the building and he saw some
things in the building. He saw the biggest damage to
the building was the pit which was in the back
of the building and went down like two.
Speaker 4: Or three floors.
Speaker 13: He saw all of that. You know, that never came
out in the news. It wasn't part of the investigation.
It just it didn't count. In other words, it didn't
fit the mold that the Department of Justice under Janet
Reno set for the FBI. Then it wasn't put in
the case period.
Speaker 19: The FBI bragged about its handling of the deadliest terror
attack in American history, but gigantic holes in the case
were being ignored by the media. McVeigh was first suspected
because he rent of the truck under the name Robert Kling.
One of the first pieces of evidence used to lick
MCBAG to the bombing was problematic.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I went to Junction City. I went out to
Elliott's body shop, and I spoke to mister Elliott. I
told him who I was, and I said, up, I
would like for you to tell me what happened the
day Tim came to rent the right of truck. And
he said, you mean the day Tim and his friend
came And I said Tim wasn't by himself. He said, no, man.
Speaker 31: The FBI has been designated by President Clinton as the
leading federal latency in this investigation.
Speaker 19: Incredibly enough, there remains an extra unidentified leg that was
found in the rubble. Oklahoma State medical Examiner Fred Jordan
testified in court we had eight people with traumatically amputated
left legs. However we have nine left legs. We have
one leg too many. Stephen Jones, mcveigh's defense attorney, detailed
in his book Others Unknown the significance of this extra leg.
Former Chief Pathologists for Northern Ireland T. K. Marshall performed
over twenty five hundred autopsies on bombing victims and told
Jones that in all the years in Ireland we identified
every innocent person that was killed. There was never an
unknown victim. The FBI collected one thousand and thirty four fingerprints.
During their investigation, but an agent admitted under oath that
these prints were not run through the National Fingerprint Database.
Nicki Deutschmann was the jury for person for the federal
trial of Terry Nichols.
Speaker 1: I think that the government perhaps really dropped the ball.
I think that there were a large number of sightings
right around before the tide, the week before, and the
days and months after the bombing, and sketches of people
that were recognizable. In this trial, there even was a
photograph of someone who may have been involved with mixing
the bombs, with putting the bomb together, and that person
it was a photograph from a newspaper. Obviously, that person's
identity is known. I think there are other people out there,
and decisions were probably made very early on that Tim
McVay and Terry Nichols were who they were looking for,
and the same sort of resources were not used to
try to find out who else might be involved.
Speaker 23: Well, in those first couple of days, especially that first
day of the Oklahoma City bombing, there was immediate information
that came out about what caused the bombing, witnesses on
the scene of the crime, things such as that, and
it changed very significantly and drastically as the day went
by and the next several days went by. That caused
a lot of questions in people's minds about, well, what
really happened here. The reason I doubt started doubting the
official story that was coming out. You have to understand
that the state of the local media, we're doing a
good job.
Speaker 4: The first day.
Speaker 23: Local law enforcement maybe also, I believe, was doing a
good job. But once the Feds came in, things started changing.
Speaker 37: The police and emergency crews are talking about moving us
back because of the danger of a possibility of another explosion.
Speaker 17: I think you said, another pot.
Speaker 33: Oh my god, another boo.
Speaker 23: The fire crews and the various emergency crews are trying
to get in, but we keep getting.
Speaker 25: Reports that there may be other devices in the area
and they will use that.
Speaker 4: Trailer you see the bucket on the back there.
Speaker 42: Sort of This is how they would transport the explosive device.
Speaker 1: Away from this populated area to try to do something
with it.
Speaker 43: There were two unexploded devices discovered subsequent to the initial explosion.
Speaker 11: A second bomb was found on the east side of
that building. A bomb squad is on the scene. That
second bomb has not exploded. We don't know quite the
status yet if they've managed to diffuse it.
Speaker 7: But it has been confirmed.
Speaker 21: There have been cowards of two explosive devices unexploded explosive devices.
Speaker 33: Two different explosive devices were found in addition to the
one that went off.
Speaker 5: Just an hour after the initial explosion, downtown Oklahoma City
was shaken up again with word of another bomb or
maybe two.
Speaker 44: They've had to back off a couple of times because
they found I guess two or three other bombs or
at least explosive devices down there that they've had to defuse.
Speaker 40: The shut down operation for about twenty thirty minutes because
of that, and that that was very frustrating because we
clean right at the point where we had people and
we had to leaven.
Speaker 11: With the first bomb that was in the Federal building
did go off, it did the damage that you see
right there.
Speaker 6: The second explosive was found and diffused.
Speaker 27: The Oklahoma City bombing was one of the first big
stories that I covered, and it was just shocking to
know it was an inside job and to know that
the media was involved in the cover up, and that
the mainstream television stations they're in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 7: Knew what had really happened.
Speaker 27: And then years later I was able to actually talk
to some of those reporters and they discussed how they
were told to shut up. I mean, it just showed
how people were so willing to be part of the
cover up just because the truth was so frightening. And
that's really why we've become so enslaved, is that we
just give in to the lives and they start little,
but they get bigger and bigger.
Speaker 24: It's amazing when everyone we can see an event and
that gets changed into something else simply because the media
presents it that way. That means the media is complicit
in the cover up. They'ren't hapless, they're not ignorant. How
come I can figure this out in a CNN camps.
Speaker 27: The controlled, corporate mainstream media is essential to a cover
up like Oklahoma City being successful. And that's why the
mainstream media has lost so much credibility because all over
the nation people have seen things like Oklahoma City over
and over again, where you see the live footage, you
see them removing the bombs, you see the governor admitting it,
and then letter the media says, we never said that.
That's what conspiracy theorists say.
Speaker 19: At first the media reported on some of these bothersome
pieces of evidence that they became little more than perish
for the Justice Department. As the official story was railroaded
into the public mind.
Speaker 36: Been listening to Mike McCurry, President Clinton spokesperson at the
White House.
Speaker 4: Apparently at this point we know a little bit more
than that White House does.
Speaker 25: Because we have been able to confirm it was a
car explosion, that word coming to us from Mayor Ron
Nork earlier.
Speaker 11: Twelve hundred pounds of explosives parked out in front of
the Federal Building.
Speaker 45: And ATF has confirmed that as well.
Speaker 46: Who's going to investigate the investigators, who's going to investigate
the prosecutors, who's going to hold them accountable, Who's going
to hold us public officials accountable?
Speaker 36: And that's all we're trying to do here, trying in
addition to trying to find the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, initially that morning, all the media that was downtown,
they're reporting, were reporting the truth. They reported the truth
about the unexploded bombs, undetonated bombs being removed the building.
By afternoon, things begin to ease a little bit. You
could sense a difference, and by the next day everybody
but Channel four had changed his story completely.
Speaker 19: One local station in Oklahoma City KO four or TV,
did perform its duty by reporting on mcvay's accomplices, the
evidence of prior warnings, and many of the aspects of
the case. The New York Times Broadcasting Company purchased KO
four UR a year after the bombing. The programming director
was fired, the lead journalist on the bombing, Jana Davis,
was let go, and all reporting that contradicted the government vanished.
The victims turned to the government with their questions, expecting
the full truth to come out.
Speaker 28: This was not to be.
Speaker 19: Those who asked too many questions, were knew too much,
were discouraged from their efforts in other ways.
Speaker 29: Debbie Nakanashi, who was with the Post Office, she was
told not to talk to anybody about that. Her job
had been threatened to her. She went to the union
over it. Then they apologized. But she and I went
on a number of occasions to Washington, d C. We
tried to see every Senator and every congressman from Oklahoma.
Speaker 12: Not one would give us an interview.
Speaker 20: I was told by an agent, an EPI agent, that
big comments that ad made that people like me often
ended up dead, and you'd be careful what I said
if I was him, And in the way that he
put it forth, I felt like, here's a threat.
Speaker 8: I wrote letters to Janet Reno when she was the
United States Attorney General. I wrote Lewis free who was
over the FBI at that time. I wrote Senator Orrin Hatch.
I wrote everybody I could think of, asking for help.
Nothing was done.
Speaker 19: When the government decided that the investigation was over, a
federal grand jury was in panel to hand down indictments.
This is usually a straightforward process, but the federal prosecutors
were not counting on one grand juror Happy Heidelberg, to
actually ask questions of his own.
Speaker 2: My name is Hoppy Heidelberg, and I served on the
federal grand jury that was supposed to investigate the merrabill
And bombing in Oklahoma City back in nineteen ninety five. Actually,
the grand jury has two responsibilities.
Speaker 6: That are outlined in this book.
Speaker 2: The first one is says the grand jury operates as
a sword authorizing the government's prosecution of suspected criminals and
also as a shield protecting citizens from unwarrant or inappropriate prosecutions.
Now that's not something that the media or the government
ever points out. But that was actually the reason for
a grand jury in the first place, to protect citizens
from the Crown, who at the time had a habit
of prosecuting their political enemies, or anybody that chose for
any reason. The grand jury, our grand jury it was
supposed to be calling witnesses, were not allowed to call
any And it was my letter to the judge telling
him that and demanding that we be allowed to call witnesses.
He got me excused from grand jury. What you will
hear in what they say that's a lie is that
the grand jury foreman is the only one that has
the right to do this or that, and that's not true.
According to the book, any member can demand anything he
wants for any reason. Can be just his personal opinion,
it can be from information he gets. In course, they
tell us, well, you can't watch TV or you can't
read the paper. That's nonsense.
Speaker 6: That's nonsense.
Speaker 2: Grand jurors need to be well informed if they're going
to do their job properly. See, we were never allowed
to see the photo evidence from the cameras on the
mirror building that would have shown the truck being parked
and the.
Speaker 4: People who got out of the truck.
Speaker 2: That's all on tape, and we were authorized to see
all of that, but we weren't allowed to see it,
and in fact, nobody's been allowed to see it. All
those tapes have been kept under wrapped for fifteen years.
It was just too important, just too important to the
American people to know what happened there for me to
keep quiet because nobody else was going to speak up.
The other grandeurs were petrified because they observed on a
daily basis the kind of intimidation tactics that were used
by the Department of Justice attorneys to tempt to keep
me under control. And when they found out about the
FBI visits to my home, I really shook him up.
Speaker 6: Now that's even scared to talk to him.
Speaker 19: In a men's ray, Hoppy will never be silenced. In
nineteen ninety eight, he ran as an independent candidate for
governor of Oklahoma, intent on reopening the investigation into the bombing.
After being excluded from the gubernatorial debate, Hoppy walked on
stage to ask Governor Frank Heating why both they're all
record to.
Speaker 47: Saying that you think I should participate that.
Speaker 24: Thank you audience, mister Jenkins, your fall what now?
Speaker 19: Two years after the bombing, the trial of Tim McBay
began in Denver, Colorado. The trial had been moved out
of Oklahoma despite the constitutional mandate that federal crimes must
be tried in the district in which they occurred. The
truth seekers were assured that all of their questions would
be answered in court.
Speaker 23: The trial was not handled appropriately, was handled in a
way that was very prejudice against the defendants. If you
look at what Judge Match did concerning prejudicing the jury
toward the people that were being prosecuted. By two weeks,
he showed them pictures of dead babies and blood and guts,
and which is all basically my understanding of the law,
illegal to prejudice the jury like that. Yet they did
that kind of stuff, apparently on purpose.
Speaker 8: I was told that about the US attorney that if
I the trials and Denver, that all of my questions
would be answered. I gave up everything I had, my
apartment and everything, and I moved to Denver, and I
attended both trials, and by the time Terry Nichols trial
was over, I had more questions and no answers.
Speaker 19: The trial lasted three weeks. In contrast, the OJ Simpson
trial in nineteen ninety five had lasted nine months. The
jury deliberated for less than twenty four hours and sentenced to.
Speaker 28: McVeigh to death.
Speaker 19: McVeigh waived all his appeals and was fast tracked to
be the first federal prisoner executed in decades. Just before
his execution date, the FBI announced that they had withheld
thousands of pages of documents that could have influenced his trial,
which led to a month long stay of execution.
Speaker 38: I mean they weren't able to get thousands, at least thousands,
probably a lot more than that of documents from unit,
the FBI and the DOJ.
Speaker 31: They just wouldn't turn him over.
Speaker 19: On June eleven, two thousand and one, Tim McVeigh was
put to death by lethal injection at the Federal Death
Row in Terrohooe, Indiana. He left no message and was
quickly cremated without an autopsy being performed on his body,
contrary to the standard procedure for executed prisoners. Terry Nichols
was tried and found guilty in his separate trial and
received a life sentence without the possibility of parole in
two thousand and four. Terry Nichols was then tried in
Oklahoma on state murder charges in the prosecutor's hope of
imposing a death sentence. Nichols was found guilty, but a
jury once again refused to execute him.
Speaker 36: Those jurors did the best job they could with the
case that was presented to them. I think what their
statement says is they knew there was something wrong and
somebody had some involvement here. But they also, as they
have sat themselves, that there lies. There were mistruths, there
were bungling, there was arrogance, there was things that were
not pursued like the other John Doe's, and so they
felt like there was a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 19: Michael Fortier became a witness for the federal prosecutors, received
a ten year sentence, and was released in two thousand
and six directly into the witness protection program. Justice, the
government announced had been.
Speaker 17: Served Carnal's bar.
Speaker 33: We got a love.
Speaker 29: In books.
Speaker 19: As the government proclaimed justice were all impacted by the bombing.
The people back in Oklahoma still sought the truth and
knew now that they were on their own. The list
of questions continued to grow due to the mysterious death
of Oklahoma City Police Officer Sergeant Terrence Yake. Terry Yeake,
unlike the rest of Oklahoma, may have known too much.
Officer Yankee was just over thirty years old at the
time of the bombing, and the morning of the bombing,
he was issuing a traffic ticket near the Civic Center
Music Hall, which is about four blocks to the west
of where the Murray Buildings did. He dropped the ticket book,
let the woman go, and I have to obviously give
attend other things. He heard the multiple blasts coming from
the Murraough building, sped up there in his black and
white squad car and immediately started pulling out the first
of eight people.
Speaker 28: Mister Tom Hall, being.
Speaker 19: The first former employee of the GSA. Tom to this day,
in fact, they talked to him a couple of weeks ago,
still has the utmost respect for Officer Yeki.
Speaker 28: He literally saved his life.
Speaker 19: Officer Yiki, being an astute police officer for seven years
veteran of the Oklahoma City Police Department, knew that something.
Speaker 28: Was horribly wrong.
Speaker 19: He tried to get the official storyline out through his
commanding officers at the Oklahoma City police department, through his family,
through his ex wife, and he chose to withhold some
of the storyline because he was in fear of for
his family and his wife and his two young daughters
at the time. What we found out between the hours
of eight am and one pm that morning, he was
brutally murdered a mile and a half from the front
gate of the Areno Penitentiary. From that moment that his
body was found, we know that the crime scene was
destroyed and there were space shovels that were used to
turn over the crime scene, ballistics in a gunpowdered residue.
Speaker 28: Anything that had to do with his death was completely destroyed.
Speaker 4: It was corrupted.
Speaker 13: He started having problems with it, not only at work,
but his apartment got broke into, his car, got broke into,
things holding out of his house. He had accumulated reports
of evidence. I don't know all, but he was going
to take it out to a mini storage in a
reno and he left one night and he told a
friend of his that they were going to go out
to dinner, and he says, I got to run out
and put some stuff in many storage and as soon
as I tell I shake these feeds that are following me.
Speaker 4: I'll be back and we'll go to dinner.
Speaker 7: Well, he never came back.
Speaker 13: Instead, he was found the next day by a Canadian
county sheriff's deputy. Well, they found his car first, and
then they found him in a field near the Areno Penitentiary.
The damage to his body was obviously a torture homicide.
Speaker 4: It was obvious.
Speaker 13: But what intrigued me the most that he had several
cuts on both of his wrists, inside both elbows, both
jugular veins.
Speaker 7: He'd been beaten.
Speaker 13: He had ligature marks around his neck, he had handcuffed
marks on his hands, on his wrists, and he had a.
Speaker 3: Small caliber.
Speaker 6: Bullet wound that started above.
Speaker 13: On the right hand side of his temple and exited
low on his cheek with no powder brush.
Speaker 26: The day of his death, when my daughter called me,
I left work went to El Reno to help because
I could hear the seriousness in her voice that she
was getting upset. Why would the police be calling her
looking for Terrence? And when we went to the apartment
where he lived, the manager there stated to us, well,
why are you looking for him? The police have already
been here and taken his cruiser. I'm not sure what
was going on. It was strange, and about ten o'clock
at night, I had put my grandkids to bed, the
phone rang, and when I picked the phone up, I
could hear my daughter screaming in the background, and I
assume something bad had happened, but I didn't think death.
And my son said, Mom, they found Terry.
Speaker 6: He's dead.
Speaker 20: One of the things that surprised me was that there
was no autopsy performed. The other thing that really bothered
me was we were being told that Terry was high
on drugs and drunk, and of course, the Medical Exemitior's
office did a report on Terry and his injuries, which
was really not an autopsy but just an overview, and
it showed that his BAC was zero, meaning no blood
alcohol content. There was no drugs in his system. It
bothered me that they didn't treat Terry like place officer
like it was. He was a good.
Speaker 26: Guy and he never said to us that I'm depressed,
you know, I need help, not to me or not.
Speaker 17: To his sisters.
Speaker 26: I think it's only fair that we know, as Terence's
family members, what happened.
Speaker 19: Officer Yicki's official cause of death was suicide, and that
was actually laid out in the medical examiner's report at
the Oklahoma State Medical Office Examiner's office. We've since we
were able to retrieve that record. What we found out though,
is that number one, the crime scene was corrupted, went
completely in the face of a proper investigative procedure. The
extent and the amount of the number of wounds on
his body clearly shows that he couldn't commit suicide physically
and logistically. You just can't do that to yourself.
Speaker 28: Terry also, we knew was an emic.
Speaker 19: He would not have been able to traverse over half
a mile from where his car was to where his
body was found and not have passed out. His heart
would have literally given out enough blood pressure in his
body to survive.
Speaker 28: The car was locked.
Speaker 19: The winds worled up, the keys were in the console,
there was a bloody knife and in the glovebox. You
don't stay yourself thirteen times and have superficial wounds on
the along your arms and chest and your upper neck
and walk a half a mile and decide to die
next to a tree.
Speaker 26: Being the family of an officer, I expected some kind
of care and consideration for us being the family of Terrence.
There was another detective by the name of Mullanex that
told my daughter that she looked at too many movies
and she needed to see a psychiatrist. When we were
asking questions, wanting to know about his belongings, wanting to
know about things that happened doing this the course of
where they say they found my son, and I don't
think this was very kind of them and considerate of
us being family, that they should have talked to us
like that, But they did, and as far as I'm concerned,
that made me more suspicious of what happened to my son.
Speaker 19: The brutal torture and murder of Terry Yekey served not
only to silence his voice, but the voices of other
first responders who may have seen something that would shed
light on what really happened. Those who keep their silence
know exactly what Terry saw. That you will never be
forgotten by those who ask questions and demand answers. In
the absence of official action, a group of concerned citizens
decided to form their own investigative panel, the OKBIC, better
known as the Oklahoma Bombing Investstigation Committee. Their goal was
to compile enough evidence that would attract attention by the
media and the government and therefore compel a more thorough investigation.
Entirely funded by donations and their own money, the OKBIC
took Affidavid's recorded eyewitness testimony and paid for private investigators
to chase down leads.
Speaker 23: I'm Charles Key, state Representative in Oklahoma City, and I
formed the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee. I had a number
of constituents come to me and other people that started
raising their own questions about the investigation, what direction it
was going, because it seemed like there was an effort
to try to change that initial report of what took
place on the first day of the bombing. As the
days and weeks.
Speaker 27: Went by, we look at what state Representative Charles Key did.
He went on the facts, He went on the information
the grand jury gleaned, and clearly there was complete prior knowledge.
Speaker 23: I observed the fact that Charles Key seemed to be
standing up for the truth in some areas that I
felt like was not being dealt with appropriately by authorities.
The Oklahoma Bombing Investigations Committee was formed for one purpose,
and that's to obtain the truth.
Speaker 30: First, I thought let's just an know, the politician trying
to get a little publicity. Then when I met them,
met Charles Key and Colonel Wallace and They'll Phillips found
out that they were for real, and they asked me
if I would join them, and I agreed to join them.
Speaker 19: I think Charles Key's work is absolutely outstanding, and it
continues to be even to this day. We're looking at
what sixteen years on, almost coming this April.
Speaker 28: Charles took a lot.
Speaker 23: Of risks when we saw what was going on with
the investigation and that it was trying to move away
from the early facts that were presented by law enforcement
by the media.
Speaker 4: We pursued establishing a.
Speaker 23: County grand jury in Oklahoma County, something unique to Oklahoma
in just a few other states in the country that
allows citizens grand juries to be impaneled to investigate things
such as this. The committee meetings were.
Speaker 4: Very serious.
Speaker 23: We fought the government at every level, all the way
through to the Supreme Court of the state.
Speaker 30: We had a lot of people that came forward and
brought us a lot of information that we wouldn't have
gotten any other way.
Speaker 4: We were pursuing.
Speaker 30: All the information that we could get our hands on
about the bombing, and we were trying to get a
congressional investigation of the bombing.
Speaker 19: I was in awe at the amount of effort that
they put in in that first six and a half
years before the book was released, and then they have
the book released come out to the general public three
weeks before nine to eleven, recrued every single obstacle that
was thrown in their face from all the way from
the news media to financial to emotional and interviewing over
three hundred twenty nine victims, family members and survivors, and
these people were consistently basically saying, I am not going
to fail. I'm not going to quit.
Speaker 28: I want the truth to come out on this.
Speaker 23: So we formed the Oklahoma County Grand Jury to have
essentially a citizen's investigation into the Oklahoma bombing, and that
caused us to have to get together a number of
signatures from citizens of Oklahoma County, which we did. We
got I don't know eleven twelve thousand signatures we only
were required five thousand, and by getting all those signatures,
getting a validated and everything that we then got an
x amount of money, a lot of money, and the
opportunity to set up a grand jury. Well, they turned
the grand jury over to our enemy, which was Bob Macy,
and basically gave him the money, and then he proceeded
to investigate us.
Speaker 29: I wrote a letter to the District Attorney Masey told
him what I had seen and that I wanted to
testify in the grand jury. I got a letter back
from him telling me that the grand jury did not
want to hear anything I had to say about the bombing.
Speaker 23: After the Oklahoma County grand jury was actually initially formed,
then there were some efforts to try to stop that
by the Oklahoma County DA and others, And at that
time we organized ourselves in a more formal way. We
hired private investigators and some others to help us put
the information that we had gathered together in a form
that we could present to that county grand jury.
Speaker 30: Four or five six months into the investigation, we started
respecting that our phones were tapped, and I don't remember
how we got the information there. We were given a number
that we could dial and it would either confirm her doors.
After that they weren't, and we dial this number, it
would confirm it. We didn't really have anything to hide,
so it didn't really make that much difference. It didn't
affect our investigation too much.
Speaker 23: I think as we finalized our work, as we got
to the end, as that grand jury was impaneled, and
as we put this report together, we had a lot
of media that was waiting for this report. They were
ready to give it some significant coverage. And our report
came back from the book publisher about two weeks before
nine to eleven. And one of the things that we
said and some others said during that timeframe, as before
and after nine eleven, that the reason that we did
this is because if you don't ask the questions and
you don't hold government accountable in everything that it does,
not just bombings like this, but everything, then you'll have
the same mistakes happen again, and they will get worse
as time goes on.
Speaker 19: The official story dictated that the rider truck packed with
twelve hundred pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and fuel oil
called ANFO, detonated on the north east side of the
building and was responsible for all the damage. That hypothesis
later evolved into forty eight hundred pounds of ANFO, then
up to seven thousand pounds of fertilizer and nitromethane.
Speaker 28: In fact, the.
Speaker 19: Only consistent theme of the official narrative is it's inconsistency.
Speaker 4: The truck bomb just delivers an air blast.
Speaker 23: That's all it does. Is called an air blast. When
you've got eight foot thick columns of concrete filled with
rebar the size of your arm, an air blast probably
won't even even break one a break windows, that's about it.
But some of these columns were ripped up, shredded, tossed around.
Speaker 2: Because the truck bomb is going to release its energy
simultaneously in every direction. And so the damage pattern to
the building or whatever structure it's parked in front of
and intended to blow up, if it's a big enough,
big structure, bigger than the truck bomb can take out,
the damage pattern is going to be roughly a semicircle.
Speaker 13: Now I looked at the building. I was on a
bomb squad for a couple of years. I've worked some bombings,
and I looked at the building and I knew that
the damage done to that building couldn't have come from
a truck within foind it.
Speaker 20: A blasts not termed corners, and it did look like
that there is secondary explosion or more intense explosion corners
east side of the building. Explosure that portion of the
explosion did basically clear everything from the front of the
building to the south wall.
Speaker 19: The Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee was presented with evidence that
explosives planted inside the building were responsible for the collapse
and most of the casualties. In this rarely seen footage
taken by the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office minutes after the bombing,
the north side parking lot has shown littered with paper
and debris from inside the mirror building. How did this
volume of paper transport itself against the blast wave of
the truck bomb and magically appear on the other side
of the street.
Speaker 27: And then we look at the fact that you have
bombs clearly inside the building. It's blown out across the street,
pieces of it on top of buildings the opposite direction
that the rebel should have gone in. There was truly
this high powered truck bomb out front that caused all
the damage.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you that the building was blown
from the inside because all the deri he was piled
up against the General Record building clear across the parking lot.
Speaker 19: In fact, several witnesses report that bombs were going off
in the building before the truck bomb exploded outside.
Speaker 30: The first thing that I experienced I was setting there
signings and papers for Ruth. I felt the building start
shaking and never had anything like that happened before. And
I just kind of froze, and then the lights went out.
Speaker 4: It didn't get totally.
Speaker 30: Dark because the whole front of the building was glass.
The lights went out, and then the debris started falling
on my desk and then something hit me in the
back of the head and knocked me out before the
truck mom went off. What that tells you is that
there were other explosive devices in the building that actually
brought the building down.
Speaker 29: The building started to sway back and forth. It was
going back and forth, and I had sat there and
I thought, no, it doesn't feel like an earthquake. And
I was, you know, I was kind of stunned. And
then about seven or eight seconds later, Uh, I felt
this explosion and you could feel, actually feel the concrete
floor actually rising from underneath you. You could feel it
coming up from the inside.
Speaker 3: It was like slow motion.
Speaker 43: We crawled under before the glasstart was coming and everything
to just.
Speaker 7: Do we just see the fem to roll in on us.
Speaker 43: I thought it was an earthquake when it started. It
was just a kind of a shake, and then everything
started going like this, and I thought, I move under
the desk, and then all the glass came in and
the ceilings came down.
Speaker 19: Three seismic grafts at the University of Oklahoma, the Omniplex
Science Museum, and in Franklin, Oklahoma, recorded a seismic event
lasting eight to ten seconds that suggests the possibility of
two blasts. There were two energetic spikes. One was the
truck bomb, and the second spike was explained away as
there blast pushing on the ground or falling to breed,
But a representative of the Oklahoma Geological Survey stated for
the record that this spike was not the result of
floors collapsing and that the last five seconds of ground
motion did not have air blast associated with it. The
Kobar Towers bombing in nineteen ninety six and Saudi Arabia
killed nineteen US airmen. That bomb was several times larger
than the bomb supposed to have been used in Oklahoma.
It left a huge eighty five foot crater, yet there
was no major structural damage on this simple slab building.
What happened in Oklahoma City to cause the major horizontal
support beam to fail and the complete failure of these
two series of columns on the east side of the building.
This collapse was responsible for most of the casualties. The crater,
when seen from above, is offset from the major structural
damage in the building. For some reason, the official story
has inflated the size of this crater.
Speaker 20: The bomb, at least I've seen where the report from
the different agencies have said the bomb extended from the
cab to the tail of the truck. And one of
the thing that really bothers me about that is is
the rear axle from the truck went down and collided
with the car and from the Regency Tower about a
block and a half away. The front axle of the
truck was hurled eastbound and struggled a parking meter about
a block and a half way in front of the
w a mc abailing. The bomb was that big that
the rear axle would have been driven into the crater
and instead of being with the party as they were,
and the truck bomb itself, to me, had to be
between the two axles. It could not have been over
that rear axle.
Speaker 21: A surprise from the even the Female report and the
published reports that nobody could determine what the size of
the crater was. And that's one of the things I
brought up at the grand jury investigation, is that the
criter was half the size that they had proposed in
the FAMA report. The crater had a five gallon bucket
setting next to it after they had uncovered, and you
could extrapolate from the size of that bucket to the
size of the hole as to what size of the
crater was, and there was approximately sixteen feet across.
Speaker 19: August twenty four in nineteen seventy. It was a Monday morning.
Carlton Armstrong, his brother Dwight, and two other perpetrators, Leobert
and what an individual drove up to the side of
the Sterling Hall. It was a math research building. Diw
Chemical had their offices there. It was federal government as
well as the university faculty that worked there, and they
drove a forty knoline van stolen from a math professor,
laden with four metal drums, fifty gallon drums full of
ammonium nitrate and fuel oil. The Sterling Hall bombing consisted
of two thousand pounds of ANFO and it was set
off right next to to the building. The windows were
blown in, the facade was damaged, but there was no
structural damage. In fact, the Army math lab was closed
for only one day. In Oklahoma City, a similar ANFO
bomb detonated fifteen feet away from a much more robust
structure and inflicted massive structural damage. What that case did
was it said it was a bill weather.
Speaker 28: It set a standard for us to look at. Us says, Okay,
If ANFO.
Speaker 19: Was in fact used in Oklahoma City, why did it
not have the characteristics that would occurred in Madison. Furthermore,
the signature of an ANFO explosion is nitric oxide innoxious gas.
Speaker 6: There was certainly no fertilizer bomb.
Speaker 2: We know that because there was no ammonia gas in
the air in every other explosion. They and some students
blew up and did macan ammonium that great bomb, But
everybody who rested that build and left explosion had.
Speaker 6: To be hospitalized.
Speaker 2: If you ever smelled ammonia strongly, and youre talking about
going into a heart trait or something like that, that's
not strong, but that'll gag you.
Speaker 6: It will sere your lungs.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody that smelled that ammonia gas after the
ammonium not trade bomb at that university had to be hospitalized.
It would have been thirty minutes or an hour, depending
on how hard to winness one before anybody could have
even approached the Murrah building.
Speaker 6: If there had been an ammonium not treating bomb.
Speaker 19: There were other search and rescue personnel that were down
there immediately from Saint Anthony's Hospital in nearby, as well
as office employees from this running offices. They would have
approached the crime scene and buckled over almost immediately, vomiting violently.
If there was ammonium nitrate gas, it wasn't.
Speaker 27: I was watching General part In, the former head of
Air Force Weapons Development, point out that the building was
blown out, that it wasn't the signature of an ammonium
nitrate fertilizer bomb, that there had been a cover up.
Speaker 19: The damaged Murror Building drew the attention of retired General
Benton K. Parton, former director of the Air Force Armament's Laboratory.
General Parton spent his career conducting bomb damage analysis with
explosives for the military. General Parton came to Oklahoma City,
examined the available evidence and rendered a conclusion far different
than the story being pandered by the government and media.
Speaker 48: I spent over thirty years in the Air Force. Most
of that was in research and development. I went to
a two year graduate program eight Horris or Armament Engineering graduates,
the first course that was ever set up, and after
that I worked at the Blissic Research Laboratories at Aberdeen,
which was two years of hands on work designing developing
continuous road warriors for the Bluemartin Listle and other weapons systems.
Speaker 35: Well.
Speaker 48: The truck bomb, even though it was fed and massive,
it was somewhat removed from some of the structures that
were damaged that he clearly has some what you call
Broussant's damage, where the blast pressure was a way above
what you would expect to get from the truck at
that distance.
Speaker 19: Bissance damage is that caused by an explosive whose blast
wave is powerful enough to shatter and destroy the material effected.
The problem with the failed columns at the Murror building
is at that distance the air blast from an ANFO
bomb would have been ten times less powerful than what
was needed to dissolve the concrete and cut the rebar.
Those columns, had they failed due to air blast, should
have broken with sharp chunks of concrete connected by rebar,
not shared off at critical points. Pissan's damage indicates contact
explosives placed directly on the beams. Even more perplexing is
the total collapse of column B three, which caused the
floors on the east side to pancake onto one another.
The building was gutted to within feet of the other side.
Column B four, closer to the truck bomb, is completely intact,
Yet we are supposed to believe that a blast wave
traveled through before leaving the sheet rock almost untouched and
completely destroyed. The column farther away, and most of the
front columns were destroyed when the supporting head or beam failed,
but the cause of failure, supposedly being air blast, should
have thrown it into the building. Instead, it fell straight
down and rolled towards the crater. General Parton's report was
conclusive the Murow Federal Building was not destroyed by one
sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears
to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four
critical junctures on supporting columns within the building. Many independent
experts concurred with the Parton report. Sam Cohen, inventor of
the neutron bomb, issued this statement, I believe that the
demolition charges in the building that were placed inside at
certain key concrete columns did the primary damage to the
Murrow Federal Building. It would have been absolutely impossible and
against the laws of nature for a truck full of
fertilizer and oil, no matter how much was used to
bring the building down. The FBI put all their weight
behind the lone bomber theory and tailored the evidence to
fit that scenario. Doctor Frederick Whitehurst, a supervisor at the
FBI Crime Lab, turned whistleblower over the bureau's handling of
the evidence in the Oklahoma City bombing, release a.
Speaker 15: Report today condemning the FBI Crime Lab for mishandling evidence
and for slanting its analysis. The report is expected to
specifically criticize the lab's handling of the Oklahoma City and
World Trade Center bombing cases. It was the allegations of
FBI whistleblower Frederick Whitehurst that sparked that investigation.
Speaker 28: Forced to resign.
Speaker 19: Doctor Whitehurst testified in Terry Nichols trial that a fellow
FBI chemist had changed his findings and light under oath
after meeting with federal prosecutors. The Office of the Inspector
General or OIG, investigated Whitehurst charges and issued a report
which concluded that the FBI crime Lab had improperly identified
the characteristics of anfo the weight of the bomb, the
detonation system, and even what kind of explosive was used.
Speaker 49: The Oklahoma City case will get a lot of attention
because what the Inspector General goes on to at some
length to say in his analysis of an agent testimony
in some of the pre trial stages is that one
agent in particular made sort of seat of the pants
estimates about the Oklahoma City bomb but then couched them
in his reports and his written reports as being the
result of scientific evidence.
Speaker 11: The FBI laboratories built itself for many many years as
the premiere.
Speaker 4: Forensic laboratory in the world.
Speaker 41: The people that did the things they did knew dogg
on well what they were doing.
Speaker 19: The Right Armament Laboratory at Egland Air Force Base conducted
a series of explosive tests to compare their data to
the bombing in Oklahoma. The Eggland test structure was a
simple three story concrete slab building with no support columns.
The engineers at Egland tried to recreate the truck bomb
as McVay and the FBI claimed. It was constructed with
four thousand pounds of anfo ACKed into a dozen barrels,
but they found that each barrel acted as a separate bomb,
canceling out the explosive force of each other and pushing
most of the blast upwards. So they constructed a single,
more powerful bomb and exploded it outside the target building
to test the effects of air blast. They found that
their weaker test structure suffered less damage from a more
powerful bomb than was supposedly used at Oklahoma City. The
report for the Right Laboratory at Egglin Air Force Base
concluded the damage at the Muraw Federal Building is not
the result of the truck bomb itself, rather due to
other factors, such as locally placed charges within the building.
The evidence is undeniable, despite the pleas of the official
story that the writer truck bomb was not the sole
cause of destruction that day, that there were bombs placed
inside the building which caused the brunt of casualties as
floors collapsed on helpless victims.
Speaker 39: And the rescuers apparently had to abandon the people they
were trying to rescue temporarily.
Speaker 21: Were you there a minute ago when somebody yelled, they
thought they'd say the second advice, sir.
Speaker 16: We were in close to the parking area trying to
recover a victim.
Speaker 19: As rescuers desperately tried to free the victims from the rubble,
several evacuations of the site due to reports of other
bombs impeded these efforts.
Speaker 14: At some point, we got to the corner of Fifth
and I believe it was Robinson, right at the corner
of the Mirror building, and we heard second bomb. Somebody
yelled's second bomb. I stopped, I turned around. People were
running past me, and I just kind of watched what
was unfolding. Of course, nothing ever did happen.
Speaker 19: The Oklahoma Highway Patrol reported that another explosive device was found.
The Oklahoma City Fire Department confirmed that Defense Department logs
recorded that a second bomb was disarmed. A third bomb
was evacuated.
Speaker 4: The explosive that the.
Speaker 7: Disarmed last night was even larger.
Speaker 19: Who planted these bombs and had access to the Mirror
building before the bombing. A deputy sheriff recorded this footage
during one of the evacuations. Here are the ATF is
seeing pulling out several weapons and blocks of what appeared
to be plastic exploed. Was this the source of the
bomb scare or did this ordinance come from an illegal
armory that witnesses report the ATF kept in the Mirror building.
The ATF denies they kept any weapons or explosives in
the building.
Speaker 13: Day one, hour two of the bombing. The most significant
event that happened is when they said they found other bombs.
Speaker 6: In the building.
Speaker 13: The second most significant event was so we moved everybody
back and held them back. There were still people alive
trapped in the building. That they came in with two
trucks and backed them up to the Murror building, and
a bunch of these guys, dressed in blue jackets with
no letters on the back, started taking boxes of files
out and putting them on his truck.
Speaker 20: We were told by a blonde female agent that there
were files so serious the government that until the files
were relocated, it would not be any recovery effort.
Speaker 30: Do you remember the whitewater investigation in Arkansas? Although the
paperwork was stored in Themurrabelle had FBI is over in
the fields to the west of the Murra building picking
up Piper almost all day long.
Speaker 13: And it was during this time that early an investigation
that I started receiving some various phone calls. One of
them was a phone call from Little Rock, Arkansas. The
guy said that he was a federal agent. He was
not an FBI agent, He was not atf But what
he did say was during their investigation of the Clintons
on all the drug running that went through me to
Arkansas and you know Lasseter's ranch and all of that
stuff that was going on at the time during Iron Contra,
that those records when Clinton went to Washington were transferred
from there to the Murror Building.
Speaker 38: Because of the additional bomb threats are because the building
was unstable and the firefighters couldn't get to them.
Speaker 4: So those are a lot of patients I think were
lost that could.
Speaker 39: Have been saved.
Speaker 19: After rescue and recovery had been halted, the building was
prepped for demolition even though all the bodies had not
been recovered, and despite the architects report that it could
be rebuilt. The investigative team from the American Society of
Civil Engineers was not allowed on site. The defense lawyers
from McVeigh were able to visit the site one time,
but even then they were not allowed to view the crater.
Speaker 20: They were going to halt on the twenty ninth, the
barefeld that were going to halt the recovery and prepare
the building to be imploded. We went back in after
the found demolition to relocate two victims that we knew
that we had left in the possibility of a third victim,
which we also located here. I don't know why they
were in such a rush. GSA, the same building was
unsafe and needed to be brought down.
Speaker 19: A month after the bombing, the Alfred Pimura Federal Building
was completely demolished with less than two hundred pounds of explosives.
The wreckage was buried under armed guard, and one can
only think that certain officials breathed a sigh of relief
as the outstanding counterpoint to the official story disappeared in
a cloud of dust. Tid Bits of truth about the
Oklahoma City bombing would often come from the most unlikely
of places. Another stranger, brutal murder, at first seemingly unrelated
to the bombing would set the stage for some of
the most damning evidence that the government was withholding from
the public.
Speaker 25: My name is Jesse Trinidau. I'm an attorney from Salt
Lake City, Utah. My brother, Kenneth Michael Trinidao, was murdered
in the Federal Transfer Center here in Oklahoma City in
August of nineteen ninety five. Kenny had a hard life,
you know, I've often thought about that and how he
ended up the way he did.
Speaker 4: He was an.
Speaker 25: Incredibly bright man, an incredible athlete. He set the national
record in high school for the two mile runners of freshman.
Speaker 4: Went into the service, and like so.
Speaker 25: Many boys did during the Vietnam War, they come out
on the heroin addicts. He robbed banks or two banks
to support that Habit was caught me, pled guilty and
went and did his time. He was a very strong guy.
He wasn't very big, but he was very tough. It
was easy going, but he wouldn't back down. So if
you pushed him, you were going to get a fight.
It was a fight you were going to lose. We
loved him and stood behind him, and he was a
good man. Kenny was supposedly arrested for a probation violation
and sent to Oklahoma City at the Transfer Center for
a probation hearing. We now know that that's crap. I
said to him, Kenny, what are you doing there? And
he said, well, they sent me back here for probation hearing.
And we talked about getting my lawyer and the fact
that we didn't expect him to do more than a
couple of months. And so my mother called me at
work it was about seven in the morning and told
me that And I couldn't believe it that Kenny supposedly
killed himself because I had just spoken with him the
night before. There's no way in hell he would have
killed himself. This is not a guy who kills himself.
I mean, his life is the best it's ever been.
I found out later that an autopsy had already been done.
Now the government, the federal government didn't want one done,
but to stay to Oklahoma required one for a death
in incarceration, So the federal government didn't know that there
was an autopsy done, did not want the autopsy done,
and the federal government went twice to the Medical Examiner's
office asking to have Kenny cremated.
Speaker 4: It took a week to get his body released in home, and.
Speaker 25: I kept getting the run around from the federal government,
and finally I just screamed into the phone one day,
why don't you keep him? And when the body comes home,
it's totally made up so you can't see the wounds.
He was beaten head to toe. His gull was smashed
in in three places. The soles of his feet had
been beaten. You could see the figure bruises on his
arm where he'd been held.
Speaker 4: His throat was cut, and he'd been strangled, and.
Speaker 25: The federal government said it was a suicide by hanging.
When his body's turned over to the medical examiner two
hours later, he's wearing nothing but box the shorts. The
government said they don't know what happened to the clothes.
They cleaned the cell that morning, so the medical examiner
can't do an examination of it. And the medical examiner
is not allowed into the cell for six months. And
when he finally is allowed in, he does a test
this called luminol that will reveal the presence of blood.
And Fred Jordan told me that the sell lit up
like a Christmas tree. The logbooks involving my brother disappeared.
The ones that didn't disappear. The pages from the logbooks
are missing. The crime scene photographs disappear, the negatives of
the crime scene photographs disappear. The video camera supposedly malfunctions.
Within an hour of death, He'd consumed the equivalent of
the thirty bottles of coca cola, and doctor Jordan told
me that caffeine is used in a lot of countries,
like Third world countries, to enhance pain under torture. And
he also told me that the meetings on the soles
of the feet were indicative of torture. And I believe
it was the FBI. I firmly believed that for a
lot of reasons. Now, I didn't start out believing that.
I started out trusting them until I could see what
they were doing, and they would come to me asking
for information and then immediately go. And the story of
the evidence threatened the witness do everything they could to
prevent the case from being made of murder.
Speaker 4: Information was coming into me.
Speaker 25: People were leaking me stuff they wanted me to know,
They want me to know who they were. Late December
of ninety five, early January ninety six, I get a
phone call the person won't leave the name. The person said,
your brother was killed by the FBI. They said it
was an interrogation, it went bad. It was a case
of mistaken identity, that he fit a profile of people
who are robbing banks to get money to attack the
federal government.
Speaker 4: Just before he was.
Speaker 25: Executed, I get a message from Tim McVay and he
told me he said, when I saw your brother's picture
and heard what happened to him, I wanted you to
know that I think the FBI killed him because they
thought he was Richard le Gussie.
Speaker 19: Early on, the FBI had investigated the possibility that a
string of bank robberies committed by what the media dubbed
the Midwest Bank Robberies, had financed the bombing. Led by
Peter Langan and Richard Lee Guthrie aka Wild Bill. The
gang called themselves the Arian Republican Army. The purpose of
the robberies to finance a race war within the United States.
Bill closely resembled some of the John Doe number two
sketches and had a tattoo similar to that reported by witnesses.
In an Affidavid, Peter Langan revealed that a member of
the Aarra had admitted to liabilities concerning the bombing. Another
member had threatened, we're going to get them. We're going
to hit one of their buildings during the middle of
the day. It's going to be a federal building. Most
of the arare was arrested for bank robbery. Soon after
the bombing, Peter Langen offered to provide information about his
co conspirator's relationship with McVeigh.
Speaker 28: This offer was refused.
Speaker 4: And then I got a call from.
Speaker 25: A a great guy, JD.
Speaker 4: Cash.
Speaker 25: He was a hunting and fishing reporter at the McCurtain
County News in eastern Oklahoma. He'd had friends that were
killed in a mommy and family wounded. And one day
he calls me up and he says, Jesse, can I
talk to you? I said, well, sure, Who are you?
He says, I'm JD Cash. He says, I'm investigating the
bombing in Oklahoma. He said, I'm interested in your brother's death.
Can I ask you some questions? And I said yes?
And JD said, well, do you have any tattoos?
Speaker 4: And I said yes. He says what and where?
Speaker 25: I said, a dragon tattoo on his left forearm. JD said,
oh my god. He said, are you setting down? I
said yeah. He said, let me tell you this. He said,
when your brother was picked up, we sent to Oklahoma.
The largest man hunting American history is in place for
John Doe too. We didn't start out to solve the
Oklahoma City bombing case.
Speaker 4: We started out for justice with my brother.
Speaker 25: But every lead, every trail, every bit of important evidence
has brought us to the Oklahoma City bombing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 25: The Freedom of Information Act is an act Congress passes.
It says, the government's supposed to turn over documents and
information to you that you request, unless there's a good
reason not to, such as national security. I bring the
first four you suit saying I want all documents showing
the link between the FBI and the Southern Poverty Law
Center in the Oklahoma City bombing. And the FBI comes
back and says there are no documents. They didn't know
that I'd been leaked to teletypes from FBI Director Louis Free,
then Director Louis Free talking about Ellingham City, talking about informants,
talking about the Southern Poverty Law Center, talking about the
fact that they had called Ellinghem City two days before
the bombing asking.
Speaker 4: For more help.
Speaker 25: So I said to them. They walk in the court
and they tell the federal judge there's no documents. Well,
I file those two. The federal judge looks at him,
he says, you go back, you do a manual search,
and you bring everything fine back in the court.
Speaker 4: Well, then they come back and plead.
Speaker 25: With the judge, and they said, Judge, we'd promised anonymity,
and if we have to disclose these documents, it will
reveal their names and their lives of the in jeopardy.
Speaker 19: German citizen Andreas Carl Strasmeier aka Andy. The German, came
to the US in the early nineties, professing neo Nazi beliefs.
He moved to Elm City, becoming their chief of security.
He was reported by ATF informant Carol Howe and others
to make threats about bombing federal buildings and assassinations of
public officials. It has known that McVeigh called Lmcity twice
looking for the mysterious German when members of the ARA
were living with Strasmeier. They also attempted to reach Andy's attorney,
Kirk Lyons by phone. In the days before the bombing.
Speaker 13: We started looking at Strassmeyer real hard.
Speaker 4: And this guy didn't add up either.
Speaker 13: He was on special assignment and disappears and shows up
in Elm City. Came in through Texas and was placed
at Lmcity. Now why loom City? I mean nobody in Germany.
If I haven't heard of Elois City and I live
in Oklahoma, how's anybody in Germany here this place? Well,
evidently it was from a lawyer named Kirk Lyons. I
start putting dots together, and I start find out who
these people are and who they know, and who they
run with, and what their background and what their history is.
And we create a picture from this. We have Strasmeyer
doing all this paramilitary training, takes over as chief of
security of a place that didn't need any security, tells
them they need to get rid of their shotguns and
deer rifles and buy assault rifles and sks is and
aks and stuff like this because they're going to be
the next Waco. Well he scares them down there. They
don't know what to do, so they start, you know,
gearing up for the last days of the Book of Revelation.
Strassman is an interesting character. These documents we've done from
the courts. It's my understanding he's a German intelligence officer.
He is, apparently, after the.
Speaker 25: Bombings, taken out of the country by a former CIA
operative back to Germany visa as I understand, it had expired,
and no one picked him up, and he smuggled out
to Mexico and back to Germany.
Speaker 8: I said, why wasn't and Distraussmeier question And one of
the attorneys said, oh, we did question him. I said, yeah,
but you waited until he got back to back to
Germany and then you called him up over the phone
and asked him did he have anything to do with
the bombing?
Speaker 13: At Tulsa and Lady Godivas, which is a strip bar,
one of the strippers named Sean T said that McVeigh
and Strasmeyer and several people had come in a few
days before the bombing and there was a rider truck
parked out in the parking lot.
Speaker 38: What we can say about two mcvay's connections to Loking
City is that he called there at least twice, once
on April fifth and once on April seventeenth, That he
checked into a motel within miles from there, That he
received a speeding ticket within miles from there, and that
he also calls outlaying areas of Alohim City residents or acquaintances.
So very briefly, those are his provable connections to Elohim City.
Speaker 19: The Southern Poverty Law Center, along with the FBI, kept
informants in lm City. One of these may have been Straschmeyer.
This opposed Toyo Nazi, known primarily for its work in
litigating against hate groups and its outspoken Chief Council MORRISDS,
the SPLC has also become an informal intelligence gathering army
of the FBI and now the Department of Homeland Security.
They share the same interest with the federal government and
suppressing what they knew about prior knowledge.
Speaker 4: By the FBI is on and massion.
Speaker 25: They were at least between four and six informants at
Ellahem City.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the population of Elham City is,
but it sounds.
Speaker 25: Like when they ever three people get together to talk
about Olathorne the government, two of them were working for
the government.
Speaker 19: Andy Strassmayer's roommate at Lwem City was Michael Brescia, a
young skinhead from Philadelphia who was also a member of
the AARA. He was later convicted for bank robbery and
also bore a striking resemblance to the John Doe Number
two sketches. The FBI and the ATF had something to
hide in eastern Oklahoma?
Speaker 28: Was McVeigh and Lowem City? If so, what was he doing?
Speaker 50: My name's Josiah Stone, and I was on a spiritual journey.
I integrated quite quickly into Eliheim City and I was
able to identify with their concept of life because I
was looking for some answers to my own life. I
saw Timothy McVeigh at Eliheim City eight weeks prior to
the Oklahoma City bombing, and I remember him distinctly because
he has a distinct face.
Speaker 4: But he was smiling.
Speaker 6: He was smiling, He was happy as he could be.
Speaker 50: These people were loaded for bear and they were ready,
and they meant business. I believe the mindset that Ilahim
City was. They didn't give a damn whether they were
implicated in.
Speaker 4: And their moked.
Speaker 25: What was interesting, and I think no one has paid
any attention to it, is that the CIA was involved
at Elahem City. Not only were they involved, but they
had this spy satellites, the National Geospatial and Intelligence Agency.
I never heard of them before they run the spy satellites.
They had them over Ellaheim City. I think one of
the things that may be most productive beginning of the
truth was the discovery of an operation the FBI had
in place since about nineteen ninety one called pat Con.
Pat Con is short for patriot conspiracy. It was an
idea they had to infiltrate every militia group, every neo
Nazi group, every group critical of the.
Speaker 4: Government in the United States.
Speaker 25: The plan apparently was to put informants in with all
of these groups. And I think Ellheim City was a
pat Con operation. I think McVeigh was obviously involved in it. Now,
whether he was a target or an operative, I don't
know any more than I know whether the government intended
to blow up the Murrow building, But they knew it
was going to happen, and then new Vy was going
to do it, and they don't stop him.
Speaker 19: As alleged in David Hoffman's book The Oklahoma City Bombing
Into Politics of Terror, Strassmeyer first aroused suspicion that he
was an undercover operative when he was caught in Texas
entering a federal building at night with the key code.
Did he have access to the murror building.
Speaker 13: Also, when we interviewed Jane Graham, who was a survivor,
she said that when she went to work, it was
either the day before or two days before, I don't
remember which. She parked in the basement parking and when
she got out of her card was walking across the
parking garage, she saw three guys down there wearing coveralls
and placing putty on the columns and stringing wire between
the putty. Later, she picks out one of the guys
from photographs and says, that's him, and it was andrews Strasmeyer.
Speaker 29: Stratsmeyer was there listening, going over the plans. He was
listening to everything. He was what they were talking about, looking.
Speaker 12: At place, pointing to things.
Speaker 29: But when they were talking whatever, they happened to finally
be talking about, and when I was looking at him
at that point, then he left and went over to
the other side of the building so I wouldn't keep
watching him. The second man that was there, who appeared
to be military, he's the one that the man in
charge told to put the stuff back in the car.
The second man obviously was taking orders from the first man,
because he had wire in his hands, which I thought
was telephone wire. It's that real light color thin wire.
And he also had what appeared to be gray putty.
Speaker 13: Well, that's exactly how you string composition C four with debtcord.
Speaker 4: And the details are chilling.
Speaker 45: We'll also focus on surveillance cameras, cameras that caught the
bombing on tape, and maybe the men.
Speaker 7: Behind the bombing.
Speaker 45: The news channel has new information tonight that there's a
chance surveillance tapes could be the smoking gun evidence. Now
we ask candid questions and a rare face to face
meeting with ATF officials close to the investigation, we learned
that video collected from downtown businesses the morning of April
nineteenth may someday be played before adjuring.
Speaker 7: Officials won't say who or.
Speaker 4: What exactly is on the tape.
Speaker 45: However, numerous sources have confirmed the tapes exist and that
they reveal more than one bomber.
Speaker 25: And I said, I want two other things from the FBI.
I want the tapes from the surveillance cameras leading up
to the Murral buildings, on the day bombing, on the
different buildings around the Marrolebilly, and I want the tapes
from the cameras on the murrlebuilding because I had received
a government document that said surveillance cameras show the bomb
detonating three minutes and six seconds after the suspects exited
the truck. Suspects, not one plural. The fight now is
over those tapes. They don't deny the exist, they just
say we can't find them.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 25: The notion that this is the biggest crime the Bureau
had ever investigated at that point in time, the largest
mass murder in America history. The two most important pieces
of evidence you have, the rest of McVay and the
videotape showing McVey delivering the bomb to the Murror building.
Speaker 4: You can't find incredible.
Speaker 35: The enhanced thought shows a very distinct possibility of a
man standing behind that truck, and the time sequenced camera
took additional photographs. So will those additional photographs show there
was a man there? Will they show that he was alone?
Will it show it was the suspect Tom McVeigh. The
additional photographs in the trial should help point that out.
Speaker 20: I think one of the things that stands out to
me is the fact that during that first morning, while
we were being held at bay from being in recovery work.
There were FBI agents or at least ben and FBI
raid jackets dismantling the video cameras off the side of
the building.
Speaker 51: I'm Charlie Rose with Legend video transfer and the FBI
had employed me to duplicate a number of videos for
them shortly after the Murraor bombing. I was asked to
duplicate approximately four hundred tapes for the FBI. We had
to BI agents in the office. We had two studios
set up for duplication, and each FBI agent was required
to stay in the room with Each of us that
were in that room really didn't have the opportunity to
sit back and watch the videos. There's probably a lot
to learn, you know, from the videos that they saw.
Some of them are meaningless, but others, you know, could
make some powerful impact on what actually happened.
Speaker 30: The government will not release the film that was in
the video cameras on the front of the building that
would show whether I was accurate or not accurate.
Speaker 13: Of course, the other achilles heel is the videotapes of
the building itself from the different surveillance cameras that no
one's seen. If McVeigh was Lee Harvey McVeigh all by
himself the loan net with a truck. Then why don't
they show us the video tapes of the truck, show
us the videotapes of him getting out or was there
more than him.
Speaker 7: In the truck?
Speaker 23: There were like twenty twenty two films in the area
that were confiscated by the FBI that would have shown
the truck being pulled up, people getting out of the truck.
It would have shown what was going on at the
time the explosions took place, and obviously they confiscated those
And it didn't take much to figure out that the
federal authorities weren't trying to get to the truth.
Speaker 4: They seem to be covering up things.
Speaker 25: Their first objective is to protect the agency, not to
do what's right, not to do justice, not to serve
the American people. It's to protect themselves, and they will
do anything anything.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 19: Veigh was honorably discharged from the Army three years before
the bombing, leave him behind an exemplary service record. After
a brief but intense combat experience in the Persian Gulf War,
McVeigh tried out for the Special Forces. He pronounced himself
unable to continue just a few days into the testing
and returned to his unit demoralized and some say a
changed man.
Speaker 38: Through being able to see Timothy mcvay's letters to his
defense team, this is really behind the scenes stuff. Letters
to his family, the memos the defense team rights which
detail his mood from day to day, some of the
medical reports while he's in prison, which detail his thoughts.
On the one hand, you have the McVey who's mad
at the government. On the other hand, you have the
McVeigh who works for the government. The defense team themselves
could never obtain his full military records, and even though
they were ordered by a judge.
Speaker 13: Where does he turn up. He turns up in Buffalo,
New York. And while he's up there, he creates what's
not as a legend. Now legend is when you go
undercover or you get sheep dipped. Sheep dipped means you
change your identity, you change who you work for, and
become a new person, changes his personality up there, and
all of a sudden he's ranting and raving about the
Turner diaries and overthrowing the government and all this other
nonsense to where they're going. This guy's wacko. He works
up there six months and disappears. Where do we find
him again, going into militia meetings and doing the same thing,
making sure he's noticed.
Speaker 27: If you look at Lee Harvey Oswald and Tim McVeigh
and other patsy's, they're very similar. They're in the military,
they've got security clearances.
Speaker 19: McVeigh wrote a letter to his sister, who turned it
over to the FBI, in which he admits that he
was selected out of Special Forces training to participate in
covert operations, to help run drugs, to fund these operations,
and to assassinate security risks.
Speaker 28: Mire Bravado or was McVeigh telling the truth.
Speaker 38: The FBI had put wired tabs on the McVeigh family's
phone after the bombing, and so I'm reading this conversation
back and forth between his mother.
Speaker 31: And his sister.
Speaker 38: There's actually a few of these conversations where they say,
we don't understand why the FBI won't listen to us,
and why the media is reporting that Timothy McVeigh washed
out or dropped out as Special Forces. They're saying, no,
we were told that he was still active in the
military and that he was working on these covert missions, and.
Speaker 27: He told his family, He told many others Terry Nichols
to signed then aff of David that McVeigh believed he
was out there infiltrating militias and right wing grips and
was preparing to set him up. And then, of course
he later learned that he was the guy that got
set up.
Speaker 19: If McVeigh was working for the government, what are we
to make of the involvement of Terry Nichols, the only
convicted accomplice.
Speaker 25: When Nichols had been convicted were not given the death
penalty in federal court and in state court he could not.
Speaker 4: Be tried again. He wrote to Attorney General then Attorney General.
Speaker 25: Ashcroft and said, come and see me, Come and see me,
and I'll tell.
Speaker 4: You all about it.
Speaker 19: In his declaration, Nichols stated that crucial parts of this
terrorist attack remained hidden from the American people, especially the
identities of others unknown who collaborated with McVeigh and the bombing.
McVeigh told Nichols that he had been recruited to perform
undercover missions while in the US Army, always the good Soldier,
McVeigh revealed only one name in his chain of command,
Larry Potts, Assistant director of the FBI and the lead
agent on the Ruby Ridge catastrophe in nineteen ninety two,
in which a US marshal and fourteen year old Sam
Weaver and his mother, Vicki Weaver were killed. Larry Potts
later played an active role in the siege at Waco.
McVeigh was angry at Pots for going off script and
changing targets at the last minute. Another telling clue is
on Tim Vay's death certificate. Despite being officially out of
the military for nine years and having held many different
jobs since then, his listed occupation was US Army. So
why did Tim McVeigh take the fall for his accomplices.
Perhaps the intervention of a non psychological warfare expert explains
his silence till the end.
Speaker 38: The record clearly shows that doctor Johlly and West consulted
Timothy mcveigh's defense team. Doctor West had previously been psychiatrist
and consultant for Patty Hurst, Surround Staran and Jack Ruby.
Speaker 27: We know that Jolly and West was considered to be
the number two mind control expert in North American under
only doctor Ewing Cameron.
Speaker 38: Doctor West came under a lot of scrutiny during his
time as chief of Psychiaedriy in EUCLA because he was
proposing using prisoners, the general community, poor people, minorities as
test subjects. And West career continues to flourish through the
eighties and he continues his research into hypnosis, branches out
into terrorism and cults, even consulting and later writing about
the Waygo massacre.
Speaker 27: Doctor John Smith, that's even his real name, was the
protoge of doctor Joey and West, mister mind control, and
he was mcveigh's doctor in prison. Today it's reported that
he is one of the head psychiatrists, one of the
head doctors at Guantanamo Bay.
Speaker 7: The fact that you've got.
Speaker 27: The protoger of one of the fathers of modern mind
control now being the head of psychiatry at Wontanamo Bay,
which is an admitted mind control laboratory. That's even mainstream news.
I mean, you couldn't make this up in a spine novel.
Truth is always stranger than fiction, and it's all hidden
in plain view.
Speaker 19: Was the bombing the product of a sting gone out
of control, with McVeigh taking blame for a series of
government failures.
Speaker 23: They kind of set up a sting operation. It appears
to me that went back. They thought they would stop,
you know, the efforts of Strasmeyer, Malara and others through
allowing City. I eventually talked to this Senate staffer and
he informed me that the Oklahoma City bombing was actually
a sting operation that went wrong, and that the effort
to cover it up was because they were not able
to stop the sting operation when it fell apart, In
that they weren't able to stop it right before it
took place and proclaim to the public how great they
were so they could get new funding for the ATF
because the ATF had lost so much credibility due to
the Randy Weaver situation.
Speaker 25: I don't know if anybody will ever know. I know
my brother was killed, and often asked why why?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 25: I know my brother was killed for information he didn't
have about the bombing. Why the people in the mirrorbiling
were killed? As I said, I don't know if they
intended it or it just got away from them.
Speaker 4: God, I hate to think that they did it on purpose.
Speaker 19: Perhaps it was a deliberate attack by a criminal element
in this government using the range of power to execute
and cover up their crime.
Speaker 38: In two thousand and six, the American Behavioral Science has
published the whole journal on this concept that's being developed,
called a state crime against democracy SCAD for short. There's
a recognition, a growing recognition among academia that oftentimes people
have not pursued culpability into elite crimes for the fear
of being called a conspiracy theorist. When there is a
state crime against the people, what generally happens is that
inquiries into these crimes tend to be highly controlled, tightly framed,
and I'm totally reliant on agencies who stand to be
embarrassed by investigations.
Speaker 27: It's now been to classified that the Gulf of Tonkin
in nineteen sixty four to get the United States fully
committed into the Vietnam War, was a staged event, and
those LBJ tapes have been released. Or days before McNamara
is telling him on the phone how they're going to
stage the event to get the United States into the
war and what he would need to say at those
press conferences. In early nineteen ninety five, the entire United
States was politically awakening. The population was angry about Waco,
they were angry about the United States losing its sovereignty
and Bill Clinton trying to pass anti Second Amendment legislation.
Speaker 7: The federal government.
Speaker 27: Was forced to basically come in and create a crisis
so they could demonize anyone who thought the government was
too big or out of control.
Speaker 7: In nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 27: In nineteen ninety five, the Congress had tried unsuccessfully to
pass their Omnibus Crime Bill that expanded federal jurisdiction that
went after the Second Amendment, that was going to create
all these new federal agencies to spy on the American people.
And that was one of the reasons that Oklahoma and
other states were upset. They understood this was totally unconstitutional
and a huge federal overreach and it violated the Tenth Amendment.
But after the Oklahoma City bombing tragedy, suddenly they were
able to rename it as the Anti Terrorism Effective Death
Penalty Act, and that was able to sell through well.
Speaker 42: I think one of the things we'll be seeing over
the next few weeks and months a new legislation both
to deal with domestic groups and international terrorism. There's already
one bill, the Omnibus Terrorism Act of nineteen nineteen ninety
five that's on the cards. One of the dangers is
that we stepped a little bit too far, and there's
this bill is very.
Speaker 27: Controversial, but we see amazing parallels between Oklahoma City and
nine eleven. And we see it also being used as
a mass conditioning tool to launch a new war in
the case of Oklahoma City, a war against the American people,
in the case of nine to eleven, a war against
the Middle East, and an invasion for resources.
Speaker 24: President Obama's chief of staff Romamanuel recently said that you
can never let a good crisis go to waste. This
is an example of real politic taken to its extreme.
We can quote the words of Robert Shapiro, former Clinton adviser,
recently wrote an editorial that the only thing that can
save the Obama administration is another terror attack like Oaklhoma
City or nine to eleven. So they think of us
as expendable.
Speaker 4: They're willing to.
Speaker 24: Ride our ashes, stand in our graves to preserve their position.
This is an example of the noble lie.
Speaker 27: And in the months and weeks building up to the
Oklahoma City bombing, there was incredible conditioning on the news
is these people are scared of the federal government. They're terrorists,
they're going to kill you, they're going to bomb you.
You watch it's gonna happen. And then sure enough, it happened.
And then you look at the evidence and government and
black opp fingerprints are all over it. The establishment is
going to have trouble in the future orchestrating further atrocities
like Oklahoma City, because the public is now really getting
wives of their tricks. Oklahoma City is one of the
best examples we've got where we can prove clearly that
the official story is a fraud, that the government was
involved and is using it to demonize good Americans.
Speaker 19: April nineteen, nineteen ninety five. We'll live on in history
as a reminder that we must all take an active
role in holding our leaders accountable. Its legacy and lessons
must be rooted in truth, not myth. The victims demand
truth and justice. We have all witnessed firsthand the harsh
reality of a government's ability to manifest its will upon
the people, and it's up to the people to deprive
governments of the power to commit crimes and profit from
the lives.
Speaker 27: It is every patriotic American's duty, every man, woman, and
child's responsibility to research the facts contained in this film,
to verify for yourself that this information is true, that
the rabbit hole.
Speaker 7: Goes even deeper, and then take action to bring the.
Speaker 27: Criminals that perpetrated this attack to justice.
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