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<v Speaker 1>You know the world of deceit. Telling the truth is

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<v Speaker 1>a revolutionary act. It's the David Knight Show.

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<v Speaker 2>As a clock strikes thirteen, it's Friday, the thirtieth of January.

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<v Speaker 2>You're of our Lord, twenty twenty six. Well, let's hope

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<v Speaker 2>that this weekend we don't have an Iranian war started, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as Jeryl Slenty pointed out, Trump loves to kick these

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<v Speaker 2>things off on the weekend, and things are stacking up

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<v Speaker 2>that way. There's a lot of things that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want us to see. One of the things he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want us to see, that's what is going on in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a tremendous pushback against Jim Bouvard for a

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<v Speaker 2>tweet that he put out comparing what happened in Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>to Ruby Ridge. And if you don't remember that history,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you'll find this very interesting. Whether you remember

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<v Speaker 2>it or not. There's a lot of details that many

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<v Speaker 2>people have forgotten and a lot of parallels to what

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<v Speaker 2>has happen in terms of abuse of federal law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>We're also going to have the CEO of a company

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<v Speaker 2>called Securit who's going to join us. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>different approach to gun safety and to gun personal security,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we're going to talk about that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you'll find that very informative, a tactical approach to storing

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<v Speaker 2>and using your gun. So we're going to have both

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<v Speaker 2>of them, and we're going to begin with something I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get a chance to talk about yesterday, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the new RICO lawsuit that has been filed against the

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<v Speaker 2>American Academy of Pediatricians and the CDC.

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<v Speaker 3>That'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a couple of lawsuits have been filed by the

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<v Speaker 2>Children's Health Defense and by another organization accusing the American

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<v Speaker 2>Academy of Pediatricians as well as the CDC of conspiring

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<v Speaker 2>on the vaccine schedule to the harm of children. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who's been following this knows that that's the case,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a RICO lawsuit because it is a vast

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<v Speaker 2>fraudulent conspiracy. We've all heard the phrase that if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in academia, you publish or you perish, except that the

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<v Speaker 2>problem here is that if you do research and you

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<v Speaker 2>publish that you get punished by the CDC and by

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<v Speaker 2>the AAP. In January twenty first, the Children's Health Defense

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<v Speaker 2>filed a sweeping Racketeering, Influence and Corrupt Organization lawsuit against AAP. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>these are the RICO statutes that are out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>the RICO lawsuits are there, and I have spoken out

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<v Speaker 2>against them in terms of tactics used by the government

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<v Speaker 2>to basically punish people before they're found guilty. It's an issue,

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<v Speaker 2>but in this particular case, this is a civil lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a different type of thing, and I think this

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<v Speaker 2>would be a very good case for the public because

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to air a lot of this dirty criminal

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<v Speaker 2>laundry from the pediatrician as well as the pharmaceutical companies

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<v Speaker 2>and the insurance companies who are all a part of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a vast criminal conspiracy. RICO statutes in general, they

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<v Speaker 2>were there because they wanted to come after organized crime.

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<v Speaker 2>They found that organized crime had tremendous financial resources and

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<v Speaker 2>they could hire the best lawyers who could get them

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<v Speaker 2>out of these types of situations. So the response was

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<v Speaker 2>to say, well, we are going to take their money

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<v Speaker 2>first and then we'll have the trial. And so you would,

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<v Speaker 2>you would make an indictment against them, but before they

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<v Speaker 2>were found guilty, you basically punish them by taking away

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<v Speaker 2>their money. That evolved into civil asset forfeiture, which is

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<v Speaker 2>basically not even coming up with an indictment or charge

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<v Speaker 2>against people, but taking their property anyway charging the property

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<v Speaker 2>with a crime. And so we've seen the abuse of

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<v Speaker 2>RICO statute in many different areas. But again, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that in this civil lawsuit like this, it does get

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<v Speaker 2>to the heart of a racketeering and corrupt organization conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>that is there. So what they're talking about here is

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you've had some of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are involved in this not on the CDC side, but

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side. These are people who have had

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<v Speaker 2>their medical licenses revoked because of research that they published.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how you understand that it's a criminal organization.

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<v Speaker 2>When they start trying to cover up the information. They

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<v Speaker 2>hide and conceal information. Whether it's about climate science or

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's about the actions of the Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. The criminals are always going to lie and

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<v Speaker 2>to cover up the data. That is a hallmark of

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff. One of the key things I think

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<v Speaker 2>we want to focus on, though, is the way that

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<v Speaker 2>this actually works. We have seen many people who have

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<v Speaker 2>been punished when they speak out against the vaccine schedule

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<v Speaker 2>we have seen the difference the harm that is done

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<v Speaker 2>in America versus other countries that don't have that, especially

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<v Speaker 2>versus let's say, the Amish who don't follow this vaccine schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>But we understand that it's about profit. We understand it's

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<v Speaker 2>a collusion between the pharmaceutical industries and the CDC, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest sellers of vaccines, and that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But even going back to the nineteen eighty six Act

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<v Speaker 2>that Fauci shepherded through with Ronald Reagan, where they thick

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<v Speaker 2>away liability for vaccines, for childhood vaccines, they were supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to every two years produce safety results. So it came

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<v Speaker 2>out of the var's database. They've not published a single

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<v Speaker 2>one for nearly forty years now, and so that is

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the allegations. But in terms of how

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<v Speaker 2>this actually operates, it's interesting to go back and look

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<v Speaker 2>at what the immune system, what actually happens the immune

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<v Speaker 2>system was so many of these vaccines given collectively in clusters.

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<v Speaker 2>As they say on Malone News, it's immune dysregulation is

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<v Speaker 2>a mechanism of how it harms children. Vaccines are intended

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<v Speaker 2>to train the immune system, they say, except when they've

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<v Speaker 2>got a different agenda. It doesn't make any sense to

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<v Speaker 2>say that the vaccines are going to train the immune

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<v Speaker 2>system and then say that a disease is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to train the immune system. This is a problem with virology.

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<v Speaker 2>And as the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies are freaking

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<v Speaker 2>out about people pushing back against the vaccine schedule, they

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<v Speaker 2>blame it all on RK. Junior, except he's been saying

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<v Speaker 2>this for a very long time. The reality is that

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<v Speaker 2>people have seen the lies and the fraud associated with

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<v Speaker 2>the COVID so called pandemic, and that is really the

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<v Speaker 2>heart of this. And one of the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>saw were pronouncements by Fauci saying, you can't get immunity

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<v Speaker 2>from having the disease, you have to get it from

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<v Speaker 2>the vaccine or it doesn't work. Well, that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any sense. If the purpose of the vaccine is to

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<v Speaker 2>train your immune system to handle the real disease, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have survived the real disease, then you don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to have the vaccine. And so this is the

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<v Speaker 2>argument that Ran Paul had with Fauci. But again, as

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<v Speaker 2>I started looking at these inconsistencies, it's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why I've arrived at the point where I'm no

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<v Speaker 2>longer anti vaccine, I'm anti virology. It's not a science,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a tool of control and manipulation and propaganda because

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold together at all.

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<v Speaker 2>However, if you look at the analogy of how this

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<v Speaker 2>damages people in immune dysregulation, the example that malone malone

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<v Speaker 2>dot News gives so is imagine the immune system as

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<v Speaker 2>well organized beehive where each b knows its role. You

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<v Speaker 2>can recognize, response, respond, and do various things. But vaccination

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<v Speaker 2>would be essentially like kicking the beehive repeat while wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a disguise. The hive doesn't get smarter, it gets chaotic,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets aggressive, it gets confused. Soon the bees start

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<v Speaker 2>stinging anything that moves, including the queen, the worker bees,

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<v Speaker 2>even the hive itself. And there's no assurance of targeted recognition,

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<v Speaker 2>only widespread inflammation, panic, and self harm. And that's basically

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<v Speaker 2>what happens with today's autoimmune epidemics that we see happening asthma, ezema,

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<v Speaker 2>food allergies, type one diabetes, things like rheumatoid arthritis. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the mechanism that is happening. This shock to the

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<v Speaker 2>immune system, confusing it, causing it to attack everything, even

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<v Speaker 2>parts of your body. So the immune system is being

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<v Speaker 2>artificially shaped in a way that many predisposed entire generations

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<v Speaker 2>to chronic disease. Instead of immune education, we may be

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<v Speaker 2>witnessing immune miseducation with devastating lifelong consequences. And so it

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<v Speaker 2>is the things that we see in terms of these adjuvants,

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<v Speaker 2>these neurotoxins like aluminum and mercury, also known as thimerosol,

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<v Speaker 2>which is still being put into the vaccines. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>a decade ago when we were talking about thymerosol. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't put that in vaccines anymore. Well, yes they do.

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<v Speaker 2>They still put it in a lot of the flu vaccines,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are put together as a collective group.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of a single dose, they have multiple doses. Those

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<v Speaker 2>have thymerasol in them as a preservative, a known neurotoxin.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing with aluminum. And so if you remember, we

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<v Speaker 2>were told by Alex Shones, the vaccine that Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>doing is not like Bill Gates's vaccine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just sugar water. And come on, you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a little bit of mercury and aluminum injected directly

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<v Speaker 2>into your veins. That's not a problem. You can do

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<v Speaker 2>that for Trump. Just to inject the sugar water kool aid, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the way it works. Meanwhile, when we look

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<v Speaker 2>at where they want to go with the RNA vaccines,

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<v Speaker 2>we have seen Donald Trump on his very first day

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<v Speaker 2>when he returned to the mRNA vaccines and he tried

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<v Speaker 2>to combine that. Wants to combine that as part of

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<v Speaker 2>this Stargate operation that he had Larry Ellison give a

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<v Speaker 2>presentation for what they want to do is combine AI

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<v Speaker 2>with mRNA vaccines to create a new level of genetic

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<v Speaker 2>code injections. And it's not just Donald Trump, it's also

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<v Speaker 2>people like jd Vance and Vivate, the Snake Rama, Slimy.

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<v Speaker 2>They are also investing in companies that do self amplifying mRNA.

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<v Speaker 2>They are giving doses, lethal doses of synthetic viral material

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<v Speaker 2>containing artificial DNA sequences forced into animals using lipid nanoparticles,

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<v Speaker 2>all the same things that we saw with the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>shot that he is so proud of being the father of.

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<v Speaker 2>But they also include with us now electrical pulses. The

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<v Speaker 2>aim of the research is to develop replican mRNA vaccines

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<v Speaker 2>and treatment strategies, but alarmingly the work is being partially

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<v Speaker 2>funded by the US Defense establishment, the usual suspects, and

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose why would they want to self amplify these

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<v Speaker 2>genetic code injections, Well, for the purpose of getting this

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<v Speaker 2>into people who are not taking the vaccine. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to get it larger and have it spread without being

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<v Speaker 2>able without having to wait for people to take the

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine voluntarily. That is what is so subversive about all this.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course again the connection to the US military

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<v Speaker 2>industrial complex, which Trump at Davos just proudly admitted that

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<v Speaker 2>Operation Warp Speed was a military operation. In case you

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't noticed by now, Well, we're going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break and when we come back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the CEO of a company called secure It.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have a different approach to securing your guns

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<v Speaker 2>as well as making them actually more readily available to

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<v Speaker 2>you in various places. And so it's a tactical approach

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you'll find it interesting. There's I think

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<v Speaker 2>things that anybody who has a gun should think about

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<v Speaker 2>as well, as you know, what do you train, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you train with it? And where do you store it.

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<v Speaker 2>These are all important issues for anybody who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>try to defend themselves and their family. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 4>Us defending the American dream. You're listening to the David

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<v Speaker 2>Joining us now is Tom Kubanak, and he is the

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of a company called secure It. They have been

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<v Speaker 2>a military contractor in the past, but now it's about

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven percent, he said, is a consumer market. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a product that you might be interested in. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a firearm, you want to be able to secure it,

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<v Speaker 2>have a rapid access gun safe type of thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>we want to talk about Second Amendment issues. It's very timely,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, with what is happening right now, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about the gun culture, second Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>in general. And so joining us now is Tom Kubanik.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for joining us, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you very much for the opportunity. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 5>forward to the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, it really has been over this last weekend

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<v Speaker 2>people have been talking about Second Amendment rights and the

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<v Speaker 2>gun culture from a variety at different angles. Is really

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<v Speaker 2>put at front and center with the shooting in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we've seen some surprising statements from people that

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<v Speaker 2>the to the gun issue, and it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be carrying a gun. Things that look like

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<v Speaker 2>their perspective is that makes you instantly dangerous and a suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think is the really the threat and

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<v Speaker 2>what direction is it coming to us in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the individual liberty and the God given right of self defense?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your perspective on that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's it's really there's always the forces. There are

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<v Speaker 5>always the forces working to eliminate this right, and they

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<v Speaker 6>But as you said, there's a lot of very.

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<v Speaker 5>Much pro to A people who are now making statements

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<v Speaker 5>that would call into question like wait a minute, what

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<v Speaker 5>is your position? And I think a lot of that

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<v Speaker 5>is driven, I mean a if they're politically connected, they

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<v Speaker 5>want to be within a narrow realm of acceptable talking

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<v Speaker 3>But it's yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 5>Second Amendment sits you know, as an icons as one

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<v Speaker 5>of ours. It's a fundamental right of this country, of

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<v Speaker 5>our of citizens. And that means it doesn't matter, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>how bad a situations, it doesn't matter politically correct in

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<v Speaker 5>buto the you know, the horrible nature of what unfolded

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<v Speaker 5>is I mean, it's a travesty what happened. And I

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to I can't get too detailed into the

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<v Speaker 5>house and whis because you know, we don't know yet

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<v Speaker 5>exactly they're going to dig into this thing and pull

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<v Speaker 5>it apart. But regardless of what happened, the Second Amendment

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<v Speaker 5>is still stands for what it is, and we have

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<v Speaker 5>the right to carry, we have a right to own

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<v Speaker 5>and have firearms, and that right should have no bearing,

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<v Speaker 5>no impact on the events that unfolded other than there

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<v Speaker 5>was a gentleman who was exercising a right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we see this.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people talk about the fact that in

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<v Speaker 2>order for the general public at large to understand what

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<v Speaker 2>is involved here, they need to have some contact with guns.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know your background in terms of your contact

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<v Speaker 2>with guns and how long that's been around, assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a very long time, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people have hardened positions because they're not really a part

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<v Speaker 2>of that culture. They don't know anything about guns, they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't used them. But we're living in a time where

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<v Speaker 2>individual liberty is pretty much despised in all different areas.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, almost everybody has driven a car in the society,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet we see a lot of contempt for the

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<v Speaker 2>right to be able to travel freely. We just had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Republicans voted against the idea that we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to stop this kill switch that's been mandated, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so they want to get a lot of Republicans who

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<v Speaker 2>and pretty much nearly all the Democrats who said that

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<v Speaker 2>the government should be able to shut down your car

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<v Speaker 2>independent of you. We should have some device somehow that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be on the car that's going to decide

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not you should be allowed to drive and

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<v Speaker 2>then shut it down. We've seen different things like that

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<v Speaker 2>proposed for safety in terms of smart guns and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Well, we're going to have a smart car

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to decide whether or not you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Allowed to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, even though people had a lot of experience

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<v Speaker 2>driving cars, being passengers and cars and know the car

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<v Speaker 2>culture here in America, there's still a real uneasiness about

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<v Speaker 2>car ownership and operation. So of course we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>see that with the gun culture, aren't we Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>It's you know, the car thing is really strange that

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<v Speaker 5>the people are supporting this, and I'm surprised there's not

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<v Speaker 5>a bigger outrage because no, there is. There is no

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<v Speaker 5>right to own or drive a car in our constitution. However,

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<v Speaker 5>the concept of a car didn't exist when everything was drafted,

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<v Speaker 5>and we do have a right to move about in

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<v Speaker 5>our country. We do have a right to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we're self directed. We have the freedom to do what

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<v Speaker 5>we want to do as long as we're not violating

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<v Speaker 5>someone else's constitutional rights. So you could simply, very easily

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<v Speaker 5>draw a conclusion that, you know, these rights we have.

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<v Speaker 5>The car is simply a vehicle to exercise our rights.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a very accepted it's the standard way with in

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<v Speaker 5>which we Americans move around. The government's going to come

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<v Speaker 5>in and say, oh wait, we're gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 5>shut off a right. We're going to because you're not Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>you're stopping a car, but you're shutting down someone's ability

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<v Speaker 5>to move about freely.

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<v Speaker 6>And you can't argue that, well.

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<v Speaker 5>You still have that a right. You don't need a car, Well,

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<v Speaker 5>in our world. I mean, anybody knows if all of

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<v Speaker 5>a sudden, unless you live in a handful of big

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<v Speaker 5>cities with public transportation, that you feel safe riding a

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<v Speaker 5>cousin football case, well it is, but it's again. I

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<v Speaker 5>had a son who lived in New York with the

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<v Speaker 5>school there, and he was never going to own a

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<v Speaker 6>It makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 5>But I live in a small town. And if you

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<v Speaker 5>don't have a car, that is a that's that's a

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<v Speaker 5>punished that's a sentence that you are now confined, you're

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<v Speaker 6>It's just it's that.

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<v Speaker 5>Critical to our ability to move about freely in our country.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the drafters of the Constitution understood that

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<v Speaker 2>the Bill Rights is not giving us rights, and our

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<v Speaker 2>rights come from God. What they were doing was enumerating

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<v Speaker 2>certain ones that they knew that we'd be attacked at first,

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<v Speaker 2>But they made it clear that if we didn't mention,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean that we don't have that right.

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't surrendered anything to you.

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<v Speaker 2>And that really is the case when we look at

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<v Speaker 2>their intrusion into our personal papers. They don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>send a they don't have to send an officer around

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<v Speaker 2>to rummage through our desks anymore. They can do it

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<v Speaker 2>remotely through our devices, and they can get into our

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<v Speaker 2>personal papers and all these other things like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>it really is we're the point where people don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>why we have these prohibitions against actions by government infringing

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<v Speaker 2>on our individual liberty. And they don't value these things

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<v Speaker 2>because they've always had them and they take them for granted.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're on the cusp of losing so many of

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<v Speaker 2>our liberties, I think, and so the Second Amendment is

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those, and it's the one that they've

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<v Speaker 2>been coming after for the longest time.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, I think you're I mean, it is, but

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that it is, I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 5>word is brilliantly worded, but it's so well worded in

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<v Speaker 5>our constitution. Again and you said, this is not a

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<v Speaker 5>right that is given. The right is is implied that

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<v Speaker 5>the right is at birth. It simply says the government

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<v Speaker 5>is not going to infringe on this right. So and

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<v Speaker 5>that is very carefully worded in our favor. And as

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<v Speaker 5>you just mentioned, though, what we're seeing happening and a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of people are unaware of it, it's everything else,

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<v Speaker 5>it's this chipping away of our individuality and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>working us towards what was a what did the new

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<v Speaker 5>head of New York City about collectivism? This idea that

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<v Speaker 5>we're not individuals, it's the collective and the collective whole

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<v Speaker 5>will benefit if we have if the government has these powers.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that's there's no.

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<v Speaker 5>World where I could ever imagine that somehow we benefit

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<v Speaker 5>because the government has a massive power to limit our capabilities.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't care what that capability is. It's just that's

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<v Speaker 5>not who we are. We we have Again, they're not

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<v Speaker 5>our leaders. They are simply our representatives. Yeah, and when

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<v Speaker 5>they start acting like leaders and thinking they're in charge,

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<v Speaker 5>that's that should be red flags going up all over

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<v Speaker 5>the place.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course history shows just the opposite happens. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you turn over all powers to the government. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what do we do? What is real security?

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<v Speaker 2>And how you know from your perspective in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>what you make available to people, in terms of the organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us a little bit about your corporation, how you

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<v Speaker 2>got involved in it?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, secure it. We are the global leader and military

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<v Speaker 6>weapons storage.

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<v Speaker 5>We build armories all over the world, and now we

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<v Speaker 5>are in consumer products with fast access gun safes. Our

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<v Speaker 5>methodology is a little different than in the consumer retail space.

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<v Speaker 5>We're the only company that you know we come from

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<v Speaker 5>a military background. We look at firearms and firearms security

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<v Speaker 5>and safes and things like that from from the perspective

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<v Speaker 5>of why does someone own a firearm, and that storage

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<v Speaker 5>has to be conducive with why you own the gun.

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<v Speaker 5>To that end, you know, everything we produce is smaller, modular, lightweight,

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<v Speaker 5>affordable and easy, easy to live with. The idea of

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<v Speaker 5>a great, big, heavy, you know, metal box full of

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<v Speaker 5>drywall in your basement is just it's it's there's a

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<v Speaker 5>reason so many guns in America are unsecured. And I

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<v Speaker 5>talk to a lot of people and they all have

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<v Speaker 5>the same statements, Oh yeah, I've got a gun safe

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<v Speaker 5>my basement, but for personal protection, I keep one next

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<v Speaker 5>to my bed, I keep one here, I keep one there.

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<v Speaker 5>And yes, you have that right. But when you look

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<v Speaker 5>at the data of the number of tragedies accidental that

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<v Speaker 5>things that happen annually in this country that could be

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<v Speaker 5>prevented very simply by simply providing a simple barrier between kids,

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<v Speaker 5>no brainer to us. And now you know we're at

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<v Speaker 5>a point. With fast access gun safes, we can easily

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<v Speaker 5>demonstrate that it's faster to have your gun locked in

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<v Speaker 5>a fast access safe than to have it in a

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<v Speaker 5>closet leaning in the corner of a room. I can

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<v Speaker 5>demonstrate that my access in my home. You you come

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<v Speaker 5>into my home, you would never know I own firearms.

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<v Speaker 5>Yet Yeah, I'm never more than two and a half

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<v Speaker 5>can be less than a second. I also, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>as you owner of the company, I'm trying to prove

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<v Speaker 5>a point. I practice access. I make sure that I'm

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<v Speaker 5>on top of what I'm doing, but that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>one of our missions is to make sure every gun

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<v Speaker 5>in America is properly secured, and proper is defined by

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<v Speaker 5>out of sight. And you know, if you've got little

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<v Speaker 5>once they're old enough to understand, well, then they should

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<v Speaker 5>go to that. You should teach them, train them and

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00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 5>have them be very proficient with firearms. The more proficient

422
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 5>people are a firearms the safer we all are.

423
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<v Speaker 7>So it's.

424
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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we're the point where one of the reasons

426
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I went to talk to he is because we're at

427
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the point right now in our family. We have my

428
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>son has got a young toddler, he's just starting to walk,

429
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>and so we've got to make sure that we've got

430
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>everything secure for him. Absolutely, And you know, he's had

431
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 2>a very vulnerable age right now. Of course, you know,

432
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>you never know what he's going to do with anything.

433
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have the strength to pull the trigger, but

434
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 2>who knows what he would do. So we've got to

435
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 2>have this stuff secured. And that's that's a key thing.

436
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely key thing.

437
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 6>It is.

438
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 5>And I read and people send to me data all

439
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 5>the time and informous stories about accidental access to firearms.

440
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 5>And you know, with with young boys, it's a I

441
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 5>don't want to sound I mean, it's more of a boy.

442
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:19.960
<v Speaker 6>Thing than a girl thing.

443
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.599
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, absolutely, you train sets.

444
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

445
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 5>We had give hit a stick and he he ammasiately

446
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 5>points a stick and shoots it.

447
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 3>That was right.

448
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 2>We had a friend who she was very much did

449
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 2>not like the gun culture and everything, and she had

450
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 2>a young son, and she said, I finally realized that

451
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>it's just an eight. She said, Look, I kept guns

452
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>away from give him any toy guns, and I look

453
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>out and he's got a stick and he's going to

454
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>poop you out in the car with a stick. So

455
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, they know, and uh, and they're gonna they're

456
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>just wired for that. And so yeah, we have to

457
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 2>make sure we take the proper precautions with all that.

458
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.079
<v Speaker 2>That's a key part of it, isn't it.

459
00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 3>It is?

460
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:58.160
<v Speaker 6>And educate.

461
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 5>Mean, I get the argument not to have to have

462
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:05.039
<v Speaker 5>a gun unsecured, and it's an old argument, but it's

463
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.400
<v Speaker 5>based on old thinking. And when you look at what's

464
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:12.279
<v Speaker 5>available now, there's no reason not to. There's no reason

465
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 5>not to have every single firearm properly secured. We've developed

466
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 5>what we call the principles of decentralized storage, and that's

467
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 5>really looking at your home the way I would look

468
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 5>at a like a reactionary force in the Marine Corps.

469
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 5>You're trying to defend a like a base or a

470
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 5>embassy security force. How are we going to locate and

471
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 5>deploy fire in your weapons to make this place secure? Well,

472
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 5>look at your home the same way, we publish a

473
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 5>lot of information on this because the safest, most secure

474
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.920
<v Speaker 5>locations in your home to store and secure firearms are

475
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 5>also the best locations to give you a tactical advantage

476
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 5>in the event of a break in, a home invasion,

477
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.559
<v Speaker 5>or in some way that you're being threatened in your

478
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 5>home or in your car.

479
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 3>That's very, very important.

480
00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, you know, what do we do to get

481
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>people to to understand the gun culture and what kind

482
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>of messaging do we have to worry about inside of

483
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.759
<v Speaker 2>the people who understand the importance of guns, But in

484
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>terms of the way that we talk about it.

485
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think intelligent conversation is better than rhetoric.

486
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.559
<v Speaker 5>And there's a lot of rhetoric on both sides of

487
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:26.200
<v Speaker 5>this conversation. And it's my hope that on the firearms side,

488
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.440
<v Speaker 5>on the side of two A, that people think a

489
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 5>little bit and then speak and speak intelligently. You know,

490
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.519
<v Speaker 5>the Constitution is on our side. We don't need to

491
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 5>have a loud, difficult, yelling conversation about firearms. We simply

492
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 5>need to express what the Constitution gives us and what

493
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.279
<v Speaker 5>we have and what it protects, and then just talk

494
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 5>about the advantages of firearms ownership. And I think a

495
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 5>big part of that advantage is training, is understanding simply

496
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 5>buying a firearm does not make you more secure. Taking

497
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:05.119
<v Speaker 5>the time to get training, taking the time to practice

498
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 5>that does. And I got real, I mean real quick story.

499
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was such a huge win for the

500
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.519
<v Speaker 5>Second Amendment. We worked with a software developer several years ago.

501
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 5>He was out of California, very liberal. In fact, he

502
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 5>questioned working with us because we were in the firearms industry, and.

503
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 6>He was very up upfront about it.

504
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 5>He just said, guys, look, i'm a little uncomfortable. I'm

505
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 5>gonna be honest with you. I'm not a support of

506
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.319
<v Speaker 5>the Second Amendment. I'm a little uncomfortable the idea of

507
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 5>working for you.

508
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 6>Guys.

509
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 5>I simply said, look, I understand our mission is to

510
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 5>make sure every gun in America is properly secured. If

511
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.319
<v Speaker 5>I achieved my mission, do you feel safer? And he

512
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 5>agreed with me. So we started working together. And this

513
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 5>was right when the defund police all started happening, and

514
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 5>he was fairly close to some pretty bad events and

515
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 5>he was nervous about it, and he went out and

516
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 5>he bought a handgun and he talked about it. I said, look,

517
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:01.920
<v Speaker 5>getting the handgun is not going.

518
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 6>To help you. You need to take good.

519
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 5>Training, find a good instructor, find when you're comfortable with,

520
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.200
<v Speaker 5>work with them on a fairly regular basis for the

521
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 5>first couple of months. You need to make sure if

522
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 5>you're going to own a firearm, you get to the

523
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 5>range at least once a month. And he said it's

524
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 5>a commitment. And he said okay, and was fascinating. Months

525
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 5>later he called me he said, Tom, I got to

526
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 5>tell you something.

527
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 6>I love this.

528
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 5>I'm not shooting, he's now shooting. He was getting into

529
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.119
<v Speaker 5>a class. Then he was joining a club where they

530
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:34.240
<v Speaker 5>were doing competition handgun competitions. About four months into this

531
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 5>he called me. He said, Tom, I'm going to buy

532
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 5>an AAR fifteen.

533
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.759
<v Speaker 6>And I said, really, he.

534
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.880
<v Speaker 5>Goes, I just I'm watching, you know what these guys

535
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 5>can do with the rifles, as it's the safest gun

536
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 5>that I can own in my home, which I agree with,

537
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 5>properly owned, properly trained a person at the air fifteen.

538
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 5>There's no safer rifle in America. And he is a

539
00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.720
<v Speaker 5>ultraliberal computer programmer guy who now is as a second

540
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Amendment supporter, and I just watched it unfold. He felt threatened,

541
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 5>he felt alone. His vision that law enforcement is there

542
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 5>to protect me fell apart in the defund the defund

543
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 5>police mode, and all of a sudden, he realized, the

544
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 5>only thing keeping me safe is luck that they don't

545
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 5>happen to come the mob in the street doesn't happen

546
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 5>to come into my home. And he viewed it was

547
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 5>kind of a wake up call for him, and all

548
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 5>of a sudden, he did the proper steps, and I

549
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 5>commend him for doing it properly. He now owns firearms.

550
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 5>He's in a very good position to defend himself and

551
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 5>his neighbors. I'm sure his friends and his groups have

552
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 5>no idea he fire arms, but it's.

553
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>People have to think about that, and they have to

554
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>I've interviewed a guy a couple of times from South

555
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Africa and he was a missionary and he had considraencies.

556
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I should own a firearm, and you know,

557
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any interest. I don't think I could

558
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.279
<v Speaker 2>shoot somebody or shoot at somebody. And yet there was

559
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of violence in South Africa at the time,

560
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and so he said he saw people that were innocent

561
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>being shot, and he said, I realized then that I

562
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>have an obligation to protect innocent life, including my own.

563
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>And so he got a gun and he trained on it,

564
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and he only had a five shot revolver, and he

565
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.199
<v Speaker 2>was attending a very large church, over a thousand people,

566
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.639
<v Speaker 2>and he was just visiting it. But they said later

567
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.360
<v Speaker 2>on during truth and Reconciliation that they had picked that

568
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.079
<v Speaker 2>church because they didn't figure anybody would be armed. They

569
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 2>came in the side door throwing grenades and shooting the

570
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>place up of fully automatic weapons. He's way in the

571
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 2>back with just the revolver, but I'm going to try.

572
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>So he takes a shot, and he thinks, I'm not

573
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>going to hit anything with that. So he ran out

574
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the side and took some shots from there, and they

575
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 2>ran off, and they said later on they thought there

576
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 2>were being attacked from multiple angles. He didn't realize it,

577
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 2>but his first shot actually hit one of these guys,

578
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and so you never know in a situation like that.

579
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Here's one guy with a revolver, five shot evolver, and

580
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.320
<v Speaker 2>he was able to defend these people. Now when they

581
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>came in throwing grenades and firing automatic weapons. The immediately

582
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.320
<v Speaker 2>killed about fifty people, but it could have been everybody.

583
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 2>They were going to kill everyone in that church, and

584
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>he was able to defend that off. So people have

585
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>to go through these decisions again. He had to think

586
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>about this as like, would I be morally justified to

587
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>do this in defense of innocent life? And he got

588
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the right decision and he learned how to use it

589
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:25.920
<v Speaker 2>as well.

590
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and he had a result.

591
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 5>It's I always tell people, and I talked to a

592
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.239
<v Speaker 5>lot of a lot of people on firearms ownership, and

593
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.360
<v Speaker 5>I say, the decision to buy your first firearm should

594
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 5>be a life altering decision. You're if you're going to

595
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.960
<v Speaker 5>own a firearm which you're going to use actively use

596
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 5>or use for home defense, for personal defense, You're going

597
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 5>to change your lifestyle going forward. If you're going to carry.

598
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 5>If your decision is to conceal carry a firearm, you

599
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 5>will be shooting on a regular basis for the rest

600
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 5>of your life. I'm very busy executive. I travel a lot,

601
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:06.079
<v Speaker 5>and you know I have concealed carry permit, I have

602
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:10.039
<v Speaker 5>all the proper everything you need. But there's many times

603
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 5>in my life I do not carry a firearm because

604
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 5>if I'm not actively training. For me, it's about decision

605
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 5>making and if I'm if I've gone a long stint

606
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 5>where I have not been training, not been shooting, I

607
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 5>will I'll have it in a backpack, but I will

608
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 5>not carry on body because I'm not in a position

609
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 5>to execute that responsibility at that time. That's a decision

610
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.599
<v Speaker 5>I make, and some people say I'm nuts, but just

611
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 5>that's just the way I do it. And it also

612
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.800
<v Speaker 5>encourages me to make sure I block out time to

613
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 5>work with instructors, to get the reps in, to just

614
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 5>do everything required. You know, my background was a musician,

615
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 5>and we practice and rehearsal, practice and rehearsal on It's showtime.

616
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.199
<v Speaker 5>Doesn't matter if you're nervous, it's showtime.

617
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 6>That you execute.

618
00:36:58.159 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 4>It's the same.

619
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 5>It's the same thing against the same challenges. It's just

620
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 5>you've got deadly force. You've got to have it right.

621
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to look at it. Yeah, my

622
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 2>son says, after the guy gets one, he uses it

623
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:11.079
<v Speaker 2>on the range for a while, he realizes it isn't

624
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 2>the scary, uncontrollable monster that he thought it was. You know,

625
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 2>so you start to get to realize what it really is.

626
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 3>It's a tool.

627
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 2>As you point out, you need to be experienced in

628
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>the use of that tool, needs to be kind of

629
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 2>second nature. You know, there's a lot of different attacks

630
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>that are coming at us in a lot of different ways.

631
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:28.480
<v Speaker 3>And of course, I.

632
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Don't know if you saw this or not, but the

633
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 2>whole three D gun printer thing, which they really are

634
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>upset about. There's a new law that's being pushed out

635
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>in Washington and what they're trying to do is even

636
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 2>though this has been upheld as a kind of a

637
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.800
<v Speaker 2>combination of the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, the

638
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 2>code for printing gun parts was held to be protected

639
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 2>by the First Amendment by courts. It was challenged by

640
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Cody Wilson, and they won that fight. So now the

641
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>idea of the state government in Washington State is to

642
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 2>we're going to intimidate this. We're going to do it

643
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:06.639
<v Speaker 2>as a partnership with the printer manufacturers. So in order

644
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 2>for them to be able to sell the printer manufacturer,

645
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.559
<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to set up a mechanism whereby

646
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.719
<v Speaker 2>we can prohibit the printing of anything. And when the

647
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 2>guy started talking about this, this guy is a three

648
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 2>D printer guy, and he's not really focused necessarily on

649
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 2>just printing guns. But when he talked about it, everybody thought, oh,

650
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 2>you're just talking about printing guns, and we should shut

651
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>that down. He says, no, this is about everything. He says,

652
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 2>if you're a farmer and you want to print a

653
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.519
<v Speaker 2>three D part for your tractor, and John Deere says, no,

654
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 2>that belongs to us. They can prohibit that as well.

655
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 2>And so when we look at this, there's this massive

656
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 2>interconnection of freedoms. And once we start to pick and

657
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 2>choose and micromanage which freedoms are going to be exercised

658
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>and how they're going to be exercised, we all wind

659
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 2>up losing everything in the end, don't we.

660
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:56.159
<v Speaker 6>I think.

661
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 5>So it's I find the three D printing. I actually

662
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 5>follow quite a bit of that at I'm fascinated by

663
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 5>the technology. I restore old cars as one of my

664
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 5>that's my therapy. And I've always talked to you about

665
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.719
<v Speaker 5>there's gonna come a time where you don't buy parts,

666
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 5>you buy the drawing and you simply print the parts. Yeah,

667
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 5>and that's that's a long ways down. But printers are

668
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 5>getting so inexpensive and the technology is getting so cheap,

669
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 5>but it's it is new.

670
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:24.360
<v Speaker 6>And when there's so.

671
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 5>Many people, such a high percentage of our population that

672
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 5>is afraid of change, and it doesn't matter what the

673
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 5>change is, you see resistance to change.

674
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 6>Yet every morning it's a new day.

675
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 7>Every day.

676
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.519
<v Speaker 5>This you know, the secondhand is moving and every moment,

677
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 5>every every second goes by. Things are changing and advancing.

678
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 5>We should embrace this technology. It's there's so much good.

679
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about our parts, you know, Jay Leno has

680
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>been doing that for a while because he's got these

681
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>very old car cars that he's got and nobody's making

682
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>any parts for them. We're going to see that as

683
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>well for much newer parts because it'll either be the

684
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.519
<v Speaker 2>situation and where there's not enough of them out there.

685
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe the government might even prohibit it because they don't

686
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>want you driving the old cars that aren't completely connected

687
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.880
<v Speaker 2>to their control. So that is also another aspect for

688
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.840
<v Speaker 2>people to think about. It all comes to the down

689
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 2>to the point where you know, they always want to

690
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.000
<v Speaker 2>know everything that we're doing, might manage everything that we're doing,

691
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>and centralized control of everything, and that's seems to be

692
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the current thread of where everything seems to go and

693
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.639
<v Speaker 2>that's where the stuff has been coming from for the

694
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.119
<v Speaker 2>longest time for firearms, you know, centralized and control of

695
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 2>firearms from Washington and then start shutting them down one

696
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:37.880
<v Speaker 2>by one.

697
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's I'm surprised some of the things that have

698
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 5>happened recently.

699
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 6>I live in New York State.

700
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 5>We have the safe fact where now I have to

701
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 5>do a background check, a state background check to buy ammunition.

702
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 5>I don't see. I don't see how this has not

703
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 5>been thrown out yet. I'm not sure it's been adjudicated.

704
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.599
<v Speaker 5>It's a crazy rule. I'm limited in terms of magazine size.

705
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 5>I've I've got my limits. There's a list of guns

706
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 5>that I simply cannot own in the state. And it's

707
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 5>an annoyance. I mean it's for me when I look

708
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 5>at home defense, the actual firearm that I would use

709
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 5>to defend myself I can legally own. Can I own

710
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 5>a thirty round magazine?

711
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 3>I cannot.

712
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 5>It's a ten round magazine, So that that changes a

713
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 5>little bit of the aspect of of how you use it.

714
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 3>But is there a limit on how many magazines you

715
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 3>can eat? Right now? They just want somebody change out

716
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:33.119
<v Speaker 3>to another one.

717
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 5>But it's it's again, it doesn't matter what the rule is,

718
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.039
<v Speaker 5>it's that there there's a lot of people within our

719
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 5>government that just they're going to chip away at any

720
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 5>anything they can do, and it's just a big pile

721
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.280
<v Speaker 5>of dirt of freedom in the middle of this room,

722
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 5>and any bit they can pull into their little bucket

723
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 5>and eliminate, they're going to do it. And sometimes I've

724
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 5>seen people like Tom, why why are you taking on

725
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 5>this fight? This is really stupid, I said. You know,

726
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.960
<v Speaker 5>I hate to use the term slippery slope. That's overused,

727
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 5>but yes, sometimes you fight. You fight so hard for

728
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:15.920
<v Speaker 5>grains of sand because you're you're stopping something that's going

729
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.920
<v Speaker 5>to be that could become a tidal wave. And a

730
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.320
<v Speaker 5>lot of people, I mean, you see it just across

731
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.639
<v Speaker 5>across the world. A lot of people don't react until

732
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 5>it hits them personally.

733
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 6>At that point, they've missed their window.

734
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

735
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's like Himmingway said, you know the guy who

736
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 2>went bankrupt that is very rich, that's had had that happen.

737
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.400
<v Speaker 2>He said, Gradually, then suddenly that's why we have that

738
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 2>analogy of a slippery slope. You know, that's what happens

739
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 2>at first, it's just a short little thing, but then

740
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>it really picks up speed and it accelerates. If you

741
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:46.679
<v Speaker 2>don't stop the trend, if you don't see the trend

742
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 2>that's coming.

743
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.159
<v Speaker 5>No, you can stop a car rolling down hill. If

744
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.199
<v Speaker 5>the brakes don't work and the car is just starting

745
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 5>to move, you can stand behind it and stop it.

746
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 5>Once it's going five miles an hour, you better get

747
00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 5>out of the.

748
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 6>Way it's going.

749
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 5>And that's you know, it's it's Uh. We've done a

750
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 5>good job of stopping these freight trains.

751
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.320
<v Speaker 6>I really, I mean we've.

752
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 5>I believe society has done a good job. And I

753
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.880
<v Speaker 5>think the defund police was a huge as much as

754
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 5>it just shocked me what was happening. There were more

755
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 5>two A supporters created when those when those laws, there

756
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 5>was those I mean laws, it's those those sentiments, Those

757
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.119
<v Speaker 5>things are being pushed forward in cities like Minneapolis, which

758
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.000
<v Speaker 5>I used to do a lot of business. There was

759
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.119
<v Speaker 5>a beautiful city, beautiful downtown. It's never going to recover,

760
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 5>and there's a lot of people that live there that

761
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 5>for the first time in their lives woke up saying

762
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 5>there's nothing preventing chaos from walking into my apartment or

763
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 5>my condor or my home except luck.

764
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.159
<v Speaker 6>And I hated.

765
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.280
<v Speaker 5>I hate to see things like that happen to drive

766
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.960
<v Speaker 5>support for what I believe in is just the simplest

767
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 5>way and the best way to live. But we're at

768
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 5>another point now where you know Trump is a lightning rod.

769
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 5>Like him, he is a lightning rod personality, and there

770
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Speaker 5>are people that will go against the Second Amendment just

771
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 5>to smake just just because he's on that side. I

772
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 5>think it's very short, a very narrow.

773
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Focus, and he doesn't He's not very comfortable himself with

774
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it either, because he's never had any experience. I saw

775
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.639
<v Speaker 2>the interview with Scott Besson and that really got my, uh,

776
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.159
<v Speaker 2>got my attention over the weekend where he said to

777
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Carl his SoundBite that he came prepared to talk

778
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:33.519
<v Speaker 2>about was do you go to a protest with a gun?

779
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 7>You know?

780
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Do you do you go to a protest? I kept

781
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.159
<v Speaker 3>asking a question over going and.

782
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 2>He kind of got Jonathan Carl to back, now, well,

783
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I haven't really covered protest as a reporter, and no,

784
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I haven't carried a gun either. And I thought about that.

785
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I thought, I bet Scott Besson hasn't carried one. Either

786
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.119
<v Speaker 2>because he's got an army of people to protect him

787
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 2>all the time that are armed. That was before he

788
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 2>got into government, even he was somebody who was very

789
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.639
<v Speaker 2>very wealthy with George Soros, and he's got his own

790
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 2>army bodyguards who are armed to protect him.

791
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:03.239
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't need that.

792
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.159
<v Speaker 2>And so you have people who grow up in or

793
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.039
<v Speaker 2>live in that kind of a scenario. They don't see

794
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the need for self defense because they've got an army

795
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 2>of paid people who do it for them. And they

796
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>really can't sympathize with what we're doing, especially if they're

797
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.599
<v Speaker 2>coming from New York. They spent all their life in

798
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.400
<v Speaker 2>New York and they ever touched the gun. They really

799
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.039
<v Speaker 2>don't really understand what's going on with it.

800
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.400
<v Speaker 5>And they never mean having to show a force the

801
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 5>guards around you. It's not just that you're protected, it's

802
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 5>that you'll never even see it. Because the bad characters

803
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 5>I always equate them to like bullies in school. The

804
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.159
<v Speaker 5>bad guys aren't looking for a fight. They're looking for

805
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:47.559
<v Speaker 5>a pushover, and any any bit of resistance perceived or otherwise,

806
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.320
<v Speaker 5>they're going to move on. They're not you know, if

807
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 5>they believe for a minute that you might have a firearm.

808
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 6>They're not going to bother you.

809
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they're gonna look, They're gonna look. They want the

810
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.679
<v Speaker 5>easiest target they're looking for. You know, all these the

811
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.559
<v Speaker 5>looking for pushovers. And I talk about home defense, and

812
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 5>I said, guys, all you've got to do is make

813
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.920
<v Speaker 5>your home look a little more secure than the next

814
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 5>house down the street, because the robbers, the burglars are

815
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.440
<v Speaker 5>going to go for the easiest target. And that happens

816
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 5>in personal safety when you're looking at personal threats against you.

817
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, I just tell you just walk, walk like

818
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.480
<v Speaker 5>you mean it. When you're walking through an area that

819
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 5>you're a little concerned to stand up tall bull walk

820
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 5>with so much purpose, like you're ready to just take

821
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 5>on the world. Because a bad character is going to

822
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 5>look and say, I don't know who that is.

823
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.440
<v Speaker 6>But again, if you're.

824
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 5>Walking with your shoulders down, slow, your head down, kind

825
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 5>of plodding along, you just look. I mean, you look

826
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 5>like an easy mark. Sometimes that's a difference.

827
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:52.360
<v Speaker 3>And the you're the weak animal on the edge of

828
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:53.119
<v Speaker 3>the herd right there.

829
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, most people I know that shoot and train and

830
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.360
<v Speaker 5>carry fire firearms, you can just look at them and

831
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:02.679
<v Speaker 5>you're not.

832
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 4>Going to mess with them.

833
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 6>They're not gonna draw them.

834
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.400
<v Speaker 5>They're never gonna be in a situation to draw the

835
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.280
<v Speaker 5>firearm because the fight's not coming to them. The fight's

836
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.079
<v Speaker 5>going to the weak character. So, you know, the more

837
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Speaker 5>we can do to get people who feel or may

838
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 5>feel vulnerable to just pause. You don't need to go

839
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 5>out and buy a firearm. Just go to a training

840
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 5>center and take a class. They will walk you through everything.

841
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 5>They'll provide you with a firearm to try and get

842
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 5>good instruction. Do it properly and see how you feel.

843
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 5>See if it's for you. You know it's well, tell

844
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 5>us a little bit about your products.

845
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 3>You're free to do a commercial here.

846
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Tell us a little bit, tell us a little bit

847
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Speaker 2>about how these things operate, and you know what your

848
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.159
<v Speaker 2>design objectives are for it. And now they maybe or

849
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a lot of these, I don't know if

850
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>that's your product or not. That you wouldn't know that

851
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>that's the safe. You know, it looks like a bookshelf

852
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

853
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 5>Well, ours ours do look like safes. And what we

854
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:00.719
<v Speaker 5>do we take twenty five years of building military armories

855
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 5>into a line of consumer products. Our safes are smaller

856
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 5>and they're lightweight, and that's one of the biggest points

857
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 5>of difference of US gun safes are big heavy boxes

858
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 5>because they believe when people see heavy, they think security.

859
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 5>There's nothing. Weight has nothing to do with security. Gun

860
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 5>safes are breached with a circular saw and a carbide blade.

861
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.239
<v Speaker 5>If you look at any bit of crime data, they

862
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 5>simply ignore the locks. They cut a hole in the

863
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.440
<v Speaker 5>side of the safe. My safes are some you know,

864
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 5>the same thing can happen, but our safes are small, modular, shallow,

865
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 5>designed to go into closets, designed to go into discrete locations.

866
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.079
<v Speaker 5>And then we store firearms per military principles, where it's

867
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 5>straight line access to every firearm. You open the door

868
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.360
<v Speaker 5>of my safe and you've got straight line one arm,

869
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 5>one gun. You're never digging through guns. Everything is. You

870
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.880
<v Speaker 5>can glance at the safe, you know everything's there. And

871
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:54.440
<v Speaker 5>we also integrate gun and gear storage. You know, it's

872
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 5>a very modular, scalable system. Our gun safes in the

873
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 5>military are referred to as the Lego and the Tetris

874
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 5>rack because the armors just start at the bottom of

875
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 5>each one and just build like Legos. They build exactly

876
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 5>what they need in every single set, every single cabinet

877
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 5>to solve their problem. Our consumer products do the same thing.

878
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:18.719
<v Speaker 5>Our most recent breakthrough is what we call HsfA locking,

879
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:22.639
<v Speaker 5>High Stress Fast Access Locking. We were hosting a training

880
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 5>event just to learn more about access, to learn more

881
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.599
<v Speaker 5>about scenarios that unfold, and we were doing force on

882
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 5>force training in a shootouse where we were simulating home

883
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 5>invasions and office brake ins, and we determine when you

884
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.559
<v Speaker 5>trigger someone into fight or flight. These guys are all

885
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 5>experienced shooters, but we could trigger them into that panic mode.

886
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 5>They could not open a simple gun safe the buttons

887
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 5>they could because when you go fight or flight, you

888
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.760
<v Speaker 5>lose find motor skills, you develop tunnel vision, your cognitive

889
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 5>abilities reduced. So I got back from that event and

890
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:59.400
<v Speaker 5>a day later I had this new lock design drawn up.

891
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.519
<v Speaker 5>Within six months, it was incorporated across our entire line

892
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 5>and it's a locking solution.

893
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 6>It's a very simple.

894
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 5>Very secure, but it's designed to give you the fastest

895
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.960
<v Speaker 5>possible access when you're under a very high stress, like

896
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 5>if somebody home invasion, You've got a second and a

897
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.800
<v Speaker 5>half two seconds, maybe somebody's shooting at you, you're in

898
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:21.119
<v Speaker 5>panic mode. Our locking solution puts you in a position

899
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 5>to get retrieve your fire arm very quickly and defend yourself.

900
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 6>That's the newest thing we've done.

901
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 3>So how does how does it open up?

902
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 5>It's just a it's a it's a push push button

903
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.159
<v Speaker 5>locks which releases the safe, and simply it's a handle.

904
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:35.760
<v Speaker 6>You just turn a handle open the door.

905
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 5>Ergonomically, we position all the guns so that and we

906
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 5>have videos on how to set up your safe fastest

907
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.880
<v Speaker 5>possible access, whether it's a rifle or a handgun. And

908
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 5>it positions a firearm, so I retrieve the firearm, I

909
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.039
<v Speaker 5>retrieve it. Like for me, if it's an air fifteen,

910
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 5>left hand on grip, it comes up and in a

911
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.760
<v Speaker 5>one simple motion, I'm in a ready position to defend

912
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.880
<v Speaker 5>myself with handguns. The door access thing is a little different.

913
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 5>We're gonna you're positioning things so the safe pops open.

914
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 5>When the firearm comes out of the safe, you are

915
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 5>in a low ready position or high ready, depending on

916
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.519
<v Speaker 5>the location of the safe. But it's we're the only

917
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.840
<v Speaker 5>company that really thinks about the ergonomics and the actual

918
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:20.199
<v Speaker 5>flow of what people are doing when they need to

919
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.559
<v Speaker 5>access a firearm very very quickly. So we really, And

920
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.519
<v Speaker 5>this goes back to our military, working with the Marine Corps,

921
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 5>the reaction force teams, working with special forces, the high

922
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 5>speed teams, where everything has to be seconds everything, and

923
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 5>it has to be you know, the old slowest, smooth,

924
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:37.719
<v Speaker 5>smooth as fast.

925
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:43.800
<v Speaker 6>We follow that idea that the simplest path is usually

926
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 6>the best.

927
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.760
<v Speaker 5>There's there's just it's what we do is very simple.

928
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 5>It's just nobody in firearm storage ever thought about it.

929
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:51.719
<v Speaker 6>Gun saves.

930
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.159
<v Speaker 5>Nothing wrong with gun saves. They're just all the same.

931
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 5>It's a big box full a little wus and you

932
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 5>pack all your guns in there. We also do not

933
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 5>we do not offer fire ratings on our core products.

934
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:03.519
<v Speaker 5>Fire ratings are nonsense.

935
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 3>It's get it out quickly, we quickly. If there's a fire,

936
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 3>you can get it out.

937
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.159
<v Speaker 5>So the whole fire rating system, the whole fire rating

938
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:12.599
<v Speaker 5>system is not honest. It's it really, I've done it.

939
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 5>I posted a lot on this. It is a horribly

940
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.960
<v Speaker 5>flawed system. No, your guns will not survive in a

941
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 5>hot fire.

942
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 6>They won't.

943
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 5>And even if they look okay, you'll never know how

944
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 5>hot they got. Your hardened steels not hard, and your

945
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 5>annealed barrel may not be annealed, you're never gonna shoot

946
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 5>them again. We do make one. We call it the

947
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 5>True Safe. It's a double walled, cement filled safe. We

948
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 5>make it to prove a point that if you want

949
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.840
<v Speaker 5>fire safety, fire capacity, fire rating, this is what it takes.

950
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.239
<v Speaker 6>It's a beast. It's it's just under two thousand pounds.

951
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 5>When you buy it from us, we install it, We

952
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 5>send a crew, they install it. You're never gonna move

953
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.920
<v Speaker 5>this thing. Do people need it? No, We made it

954
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.519
<v Speaker 5>to prove a point. We do sell, and they're very

955
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.239
<v Speaker 5>popular with coin collectors, we find, but we do sell

956
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:00.960
<v Speaker 5>a handful.

957
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:01.280
<v Speaker 6>Of them a month.

958
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.519
<v Speaker 5>But really we made it just to show the gun

959
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 5>industry the world this.

960
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:09.400
<v Speaker 6>Is what a fire rating is. This is what it takes.

961
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.280
<v Speaker 5>But you don't need a fire rating. The risk of

962
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 5>your home burning down is so rare that you know,

963
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.920
<v Speaker 5>going through all that nonsense and all that weight, and

964
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 5>all the materials they use are all banned from use

965
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 5>in armor of the dry wall, the carpeting, the adhesives

966
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.800
<v Speaker 5>is all very corrosive.

967
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:28.280
<v Speaker 3>You know.

968
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.800
<v Speaker 5>The reason the industry sells millions of dollars of anti

969
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:35.159
<v Speaker 5>corrosion products because the traditional gun safe is very corrosive.

970
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 5>You know, all of our products our civilians are all

971
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.719
<v Speaker 5>made to the same military standards, and we don't recommend

972
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 5>using any of those products. You simply clean your guns properly,

973
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.199
<v Speaker 5>You're never going to corrode. It's and that's kind of

974
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, our whole position in the consumer market. We

975
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 5>are the I don't want to say red headed step child,

976
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:58.400
<v Speaker 5>but we're the guys. We're the outlier. We're the disruptive

977
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 5>force in the industry trying to drive We're trying to

978
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.239
<v Speaker 5>change an industry that's just been doing the same thing

979
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:05.800
<v Speaker 5>for sixty five years.

980
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Which your perspective is very different.

981
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 2>You're looking at this is how do I store this

982
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.480
<v Speaker 2>so I can get quick access to it? Instead of

983
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, how do I make this thing? It was

984
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 2>standout hurricane and a fire and all the rest of

985
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the stuff.

986
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:18.239
<v Speaker 3>You know.

987
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 2>And now let me ask you, how do you go

988
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.480
<v Speaker 2>from a locked standpoint to being able to open it quickly?

989
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about pushing a button and getting in there.

990
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.039
<v Speaker 5>Yes, okay, so our locks are all we I mean,

991
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 5>we have biometrics within our locks, but we would never

992
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 5>ever recommend use of a bi like a push you know,

993
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.519
<v Speaker 5>biometric fingerprint readers. Those are for convenience only because if

994
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 5>your hands are wet, it won't open. Your hands are dirty,

995
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 5>it won't open. If you're wearing gloves, it won't open.

996
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 5>We want everybody to use the keypad.

997
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:45.880
<v Speaker 6>Again.

998
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.880
<v Speaker 5>Our fast access keypads worked very well. But when you

999
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 5>buy my safe, if you've got to under the bed

1000
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 5>safe for a shotgun, every night when you go to bed,

1001
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.760
<v Speaker 5>turn the lights off, you're going to reach down quietly

1002
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.679
<v Speaker 5>and smoothly, do your combination, open the safe and close it,

1003
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:02.599
<v Speaker 5>go to bed. You're gonna do that every night for

1004
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 5>the first thirty six nights, and.

1005
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 6>Then you're gonna do it every week.

1006
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.920
<v Speaker 5>And what you're doing is you're building muscle memory, just

1007
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:11.320
<v Speaker 5>like a musician playing an instrument. And when you do that,

1008
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 5>once you go thirty six days, you've now ingrained that

1009
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 5>you've hardwired, that you're subconscious regardless of your state, you're

1010
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 5>gonna open that safe incredibly quickly and very smoothly. So

1011
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.480
<v Speaker 5>that's you know, we have a whole curriculum of train.

1012
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 3>With your safe.

1013
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 6>People with handguns.

1014
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 5>Always they practice their dry fire routines, they practice their draw.

1015
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.559
<v Speaker 5>If you're actively if you conceal carry. If you're into this,

1016
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, part of the Second Amendment, you should be

1017
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.960
<v Speaker 5>every morning doing your dry fire routines. I sit on

1018
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:46.920
<v Speaker 5>a on a slack line balancing just for added added uh,

1019
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, just just a workout thing. And I

1020
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.079
<v Speaker 5>do dry fire drills every morning, and I've been doing

1021
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:55.360
<v Speaker 5>that for years because that's it's just getting those reps

1022
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 5>and it's so important. Same thing with my locking system

1023
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:01.079
<v Speaker 5>is every time you go to if you've got a

1024
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 5>small safe in your closet by your front door, which

1025
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.079
<v Speaker 5>is a great location in store firearms, every time I

1026
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 5>pull a coat out to just reach in, not even looking,

1027
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:10.719
<v Speaker 5>I can open up that safe and remove a firearm

1028
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 5>in less than a second with my eyes closed, because

1029
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.480
<v Speaker 5>I've done it probably two thousand times. And that's that's

1030
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 5>kind of how we look at the whole thing is

1031
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 5>the you know, the gun safe industry has as safe

1032
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 5>as a passive piece of equipment that's in your basement

1033
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 5>that you go to after your day is done with

1034
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.199
<v Speaker 5>training or hunting or whatever you're doing. We look at

1035
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:37.320
<v Speaker 5>firearm storage as integral to the process of defending your home,

1036
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.119
<v Speaker 5>the process of defending your life. So we want that

1037
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 5>access that using that lock to be part of your process.

1038
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not the holster in.

1039
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.800
<v Speaker 5>Other words, exactly, that's the term. We've used a wholester

1040
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 5>for your home and and that's how we look at it.

1041
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:56.639
<v Speaker 5>The other side of our system is gun and gear storage,

1042
00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:59.159
<v Speaker 5>the amount of gear, and this happened at the military first.

1043
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.199
<v Speaker 5>You know, we got volved with the military because they

1044
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 5>were fielding so much high value gear their armories just

1045
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.159
<v Speaker 5>couldn't hold it. And part of our our system is

1046
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 5>that ability to store gear behind above around with your

1047
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 5>firearms in a very organized manner. So we have a

1048
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 5>real advantage our systems. When you open the doors up

1049
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.639
<v Speaker 5>of a safe that's really really decked out and take

1050
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:23.840
<v Speaker 5>a picture of it, everybody.

1051
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.079
<v Speaker 6>Goes, holy cow, that looks good.

1052
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:31.000
<v Speaker 5>And that's you know, our We made Ink Magazine's fastest

1053
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.159
<v Speaker 5>growing companies in America twice in three years and we

1054
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 5>never we never spent any money on advertising.

1055
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<v Speaker 6>It was all word of mouth.

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<v Speaker 5>There was just photographs of what people were doing with

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00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 5>our system and it just went crazy. So it's a

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're winning this idea that of you know,

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00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:54.519
<v Speaker 5>for what we do, storage and security are integral to safety,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, home defense.

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<v Speaker 2>And that really is the vulnerability that we have, you know,

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00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 2>we have if people don't use the firearms reasonably, then

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<v Speaker 2>that opens us up to the attack on firearm ownership

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<v Speaker 2>from the safety standpoint. So part of preserving the Second

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment is preserving your life and preserving the safe storage

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<v Speaker 2>of these items as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Wasn't it absolutely if we always say, if every firearm

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<v Speaker 5>in America was properly secured, would we be fighting so

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<v Speaker 5>hard to the Second Amendment? Because you're going to eliminate

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<v Speaker 5>so many what I call them stupid, so many the

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00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:31.320
<v Speaker 5>accidental the things you read about you just you just

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<v Speaker 5>you know, your roll your eyes, you drop your head.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a tragedy. We're just like, my god, it was

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00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 6>so easy to prevent that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it's we live at a time now where there

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<v Speaker 5>should never be a child getting access to a firearm,

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<v Speaker 5>or a friend at a party who's drunk, or you know,

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00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:53.440
<v Speaker 5>there's there's it's real easy now to keep firearms secured

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<v Speaker 5>yet very very available to the to the authorized person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and of course, you know we see elements of

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<v Speaker 2>this when it comes to onmobiles as well, right, and

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00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 2>you know when people don't use automobiles responsibly. Then that

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00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 2>puts all of us in a position of having our

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00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 2>rights stripped away with that. And of course it says

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00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 2>so many people don't have experience with firearms at all,

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00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:19.639
<v Speaker 2>like they do with cars. Whenever they see something like that,

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00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.719
<v Speaker 2>they think that that is characteristic of everybody rather than

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00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.440
<v Speaker 2>just one irresponsible person. So it's really important for you personally,

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00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's important for us collectively to protect the Second Amendment.

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<v Speaker 2>But the key thing is for your own use. And

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00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 2>so I really like the idea that you've got that

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00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.320
<v Speaker 2>it's another holster that's there that you train with it

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00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:41.159
<v Speaker 2>to be able to open up very quickly. That's a

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00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 2>great idea. Again, the company is yes, go ahead, Sorry,

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00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:45.760
<v Speaker 2>it's Secure Tactical.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we're working hard to get this message out.

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<v Speaker 5>We're slowly winning it. It's just not easy, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>We're trying to change the way people think and that

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<v Speaker 5>takes time.

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<v Speaker 6>It just does.

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<v Speaker 5>But we're slow we're slowly winning this war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and so the company, again, folks, is secure It.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your website? Is it secure?

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<v Speaker 6>Secure?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Secure gun Storage dot Com, Secure Tacticals, our military site.

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<v Speaker 6>These google the words secure it. We're all over the web.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, Thank you so much. Fascinating story, and we'll

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01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 2>be looking at it ourselves, I'm sure. So thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much, Tom, I appreciate Tom.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>And secure it gun Storage, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us. All right, thank you, thank you. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I should mention that they don't sell these

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<v Speaker 2>in the stores because as you heard, they've got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of training information on the site and that really

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01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.760
<v Speaker 2>does show how to use the product, how to train

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<v Speaker 2>with the product. So they're very much integrated into an

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01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.960
<v Speaker 2>online presentation. So just check out the website. You can

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<v Speaker 2>find them online if you look for secure it it.

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<v Speaker 4>Making Sense common again you're listening to the David Knight Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining us now is James Bovard. You can find him

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<v Speaker 2>at Jim Bovard dot com. He writes for a variety

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<v Speaker 2>of outlets and has for many many years. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a libertarian, or we could say a classical liberal, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that Steven Miller's wife doesn't seem to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same thing as there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't understand, are there, Jim. But he had

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting op ed piece on miss dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>The latest federal killing in Minnesota echoes Ruby Ridge, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's really right and in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different ways when we talk about how it is similar

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if.

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<v Speaker 2>You're around at that point in time, that should be

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<v Speaker 2>etched indelibly into your memory what happens Ruby Ridge and

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<v Speaker 2>Branch Davidians and things like that. But you know, even

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01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:27.960
<v Speaker 2>at that time, a lot of people were not really

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<v Speaker 2>following that very closely. And of some of the people

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<v Speaker 2>who were following it, I think they've forgotten the details

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01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 2>of it. They certainly have forgotten the lessons of it,

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<v Speaker 2>because there are a lot of parallels here in this

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to learn those lessons so we can

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<v Speaker 2>stop repeating these things over and over again. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us, Jim.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, thanks very much for having me on. Thanks and

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01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:49.960
<v Speaker 7>thanks for not forgetting about Ruby Ridge.

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<v Speaker 3>How could I It's amazing.

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01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Gary Spence did a great job in that trial, and

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<v Speaker 2>again what an interesting character he is in terms of

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01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 2>defending Randy and well not defending him, but in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of getting some compensation for him. But you can never

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<v Speaker 2>compensate for really for what he lost. Let's talk a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about the parallels, but tell us you put

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<v Speaker 2>up a tweet that really went viral about this, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the basis of your article. I guess that's why

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01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:19.239
<v Speaker 2>you decided to write the article. You had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people take exception to you, drawing parallels exception.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, you know, with their pitchforks and torses. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>it was. It was interesting if you go back to

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<v Speaker 7>folks who were politically conscious in the nineteen nineties, people

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<v Speaker 7>who were skeptical about government power, both liberals and conservatives

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<v Speaker 7>and libertarians, Ruby Ridge was a rallying cry for what

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<v Speaker 7>happens when the government is off a leash and when

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<v Speaker 7>federal agents have a license to kill. As a federal judge,

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<v Speaker 7>Alice Kozinski said, the Ruby Ridge case you had, the

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<v Speaker 7>FBI snipers were given a basically a double O seven

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<v Speaker 7>license to go out and kill people. Yeah, the basic

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<v Speaker 7>rules of engagement where if you see the adult meals

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<v Speaker 7>outside the cabin, kill them, you know, no warning or anything.

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<v Speaker 7>Even though they had never fired upon the federal Uh,

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<v Speaker 7>they never fired upon the FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>Sou But when we've seen that over and over again,

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<v Speaker 3>I talked about how apparently with this absolute immunity, these

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<v Speaker 3>people are all double O sevens. I said, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe that refers to their I Q.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I had that impression. I was wondering about that.

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<v Speaker 7>With some of the feedback I was getting. It was

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<v Speaker 7>it was interesting to see the absolute instant hatred uh

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<v Speaker 7>for for drawing a parallel between what happened at Ruby

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<v Speaker 7>Ridge and the killing of the Alex Preddy in Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 7>last Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it was.

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<v Speaker 7>It was funny. It's been a while since I since

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<v Speaker 7>I had that much visibility on Twitter, and it's interesting

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<v Speaker 7>how the standard insults have changed, because now it just

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<v Speaker 7>like about forty percent of the response it were just

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<v Speaker 7>like you were retard, Yeah exactly, or okay, Boomer, I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 7>is this the best you can do? Is this the

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<v Speaker 7>best deprecation you have in your arsenal? You were retard?

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<v Speaker 7>Then you kind of go back and forth with these people,

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<v Speaker 7>and then they started flinging the airport in every direction,

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<v Speaker 7>and you know, I like George Carlin, there's a time

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<v Speaker 7>and a place for the airport. It can be effective.

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<v Speaker 7>But when you're just kind of when this is all

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<v Speaker 7>you have, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, well, they don't even know what deprecation is that

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<v Speaker 3>to liok that up if they could even start.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, well so yeah so most so the most

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<v Speaker 7>common retort was retard and the second most common report

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<v Speaker 7>was boomer Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it, yeah, boomer yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And I mean, okay, so I know how to read.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>There was yeah, there was. There was some guy who

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<v Speaker 7>was a who kept attacking me and he was making

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<v Speaker 7>such in your comments. I finally said, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 7>what we need is go fundb drive to get you

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<v Speaker 7>hooked on phonics, you to get your software program. And

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<v Speaker 7>didn't seem to make him happy. So, you know, I tried.

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<v Speaker 7>I tried. There were there were other folks. I said,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, good luck with your grammar, you know, because

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<v Speaker 7>they were just if you're gonna call someone a retard,

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<v Speaker 7>you should be able to spell your entire sentence correctly,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, otherwise it kind of boomerangs. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 7>not a good look you to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, boomerang.

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<v Speaker 7>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>So what was the tweet? What exactly did you say

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<v Speaker 3>in the tweet?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, that's a good question. Let me pull it up here.

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<v Speaker 7>I've got this reopened. It was. It was interesting, there

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<v Speaker 7>was I had at first first commented on the on

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<v Speaker 7>the Ruby Ridge thing. Uh, first parallel on late Saturday,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I was getting so much hostile feedback. Uh,

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<v Speaker 7>so so what I did? Uh, this is an article

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<v Speaker 7>in the parallels. In both cases, the Feds suppress evidence,

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<v Speaker 7>raisingly lied about what happened, exaggerated the threat to federal agents,

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<v Speaker 7>and offered bizarre justifications for their killings. Yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 7>is let's see. Yeah, and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Start out we could add to the on my list.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a similar list like that. Uh, the needlessly

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive use of force, which seems to be a hallmark

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<v Speaker 2>of government anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and that was that was a point you know

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<v Speaker 7>that I made a Knee Macy's article on how the

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<v Speaker 7>late is killing Uh echo Ruby Ridge. But it's interesting

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<v Speaker 7>because you have so many people who are conservatives who

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01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:14.039
<v Speaker 7>understood after January sixth, twenty twenty one, after the Biden

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<v Speaker 7>posts came in and vilified everyone, every Trump's supporter who'd

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<v Speaker 7>been in the same zip code as the US capital

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01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:22.920
<v Speaker 7>right and tried to ruin your lives. And you had

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<v Speaker 7>the FBI formally classifying all these January sixth cases, eight

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<v Speaker 7>hundred or more of them as terrorism cases. That's right,

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<v Speaker 7>because someone walked into a government building.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I talked about that.

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<v Speaker 2>In one particular, I think one of the most egregious

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<v Speaker 2>ones I saw was you had a couple of elderly

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<v Speaker 2>guys that were there and they had their middle aged

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<v Speaker 2>one of them middle aged son, and they walk up

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<v Speaker 2>the doors are open going into the Capitol building and

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<v Speaker 2>they got a couple of cops and they said, is

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<v Speaker 2>there a restroom'r in here somewhere? Yeah, sure, go round here,

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<v Speaker 2>go in and use the restroom. And that's all they did.

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<v Speaker 2>They come back out and as they're getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go back out the same way they came in, as

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<v Speaker 2>a female cop and she says, no, no, no, go

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<v Speaker 2>this way. She's pointing, trying to get them to go

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<v Speaker 2>onto the floor of the Capitol building, trying to trap them.

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<v Speaker 2>And they did charge them, because that's why that came out,

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<v Speaker 2>was because they actually wound up charging them.

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<v Speaker 3>With that.

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<v Speaker 2>You would think that they would have a memory of

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<v Speaker 2>that and a perspective of it that they've got like

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<v Speaker 2>the memory of.

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<v Speaker 3>A fruit fly. It's absolutely amazing they don't. They can't.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't understand these different principles and the similarities that

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<v Speaker 2>are there. And that's a big part of it. It's

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01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.039
<v Speaker 2>a big part of the of the group think that's there.

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<v Speaker 2>The tribalism that is there is that they're going to

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01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:39.319
<v Speaker 2>go through with a fine tooth comb and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to identify how this person over here was a bad person.

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01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.000
<v Speaker 2>We've got to add hominem attack and they're not part

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01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of our tribe. So it was justified. That's basically when

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01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you peel back all the layers of this onion, that's

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01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:52.920
<v Speaker 2>what it really gets down to when you see this

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01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:56.279
<v Speaker 2>this rabid response that I've seen from a lot of

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01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:57.560
<v Speaker 2>people on social media.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it goes back to what historian Henry Adams said

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01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:05.880
<v Speaker 7>one hundred years ago. Politics has always been the systematic

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01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:12.199
<v Speaker 7>organization of hatreds, and it was it was it was

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01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:18.399
<v Speaker 7>intriguing to see the push button hatred after the after

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01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:23.600
<v Speaker 7>the protester got killed. Uh, and to see and it

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01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:26.359
<v Speaker 7>was funny because I was posting stuff on Facebook and

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01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:30.399
<v Speaker 7>then on there on Twitter, and so late on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 7>I said, well, you know, you know, there was a

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<v Speaker 7>there was a TV station there in Minneapolis. I think

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<v Speaker 7>it might have been an ABC station, and said that

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<v Speaker 7>that actually, if you look at the video, it looks

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<v Speaker 7>like the federal agent had taken away the guy's gun

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01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.960
<v Speaker 7>before he was shot, and oh my god, you think

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<v Speaker 7>I had just you know, made the biggest heresy in

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01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.239
<v Speaker 7>the world because the outrage. How could anybody say that?

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<v Speaker 7>And it was like I was, it was like I

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01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.560
<v Speaker 7>was trying. It was almost like we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 7>think the federal agents had somehow performed a miracle by

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<v Speaker 7>saving everybody from getting shot by this guy, Like it

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01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:12.880
<v Speaker 7>was that Stephen Miller or was that Bobino. I think

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01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:15.439
<v Speaker 7>it was Bobino who said the agents did a really

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<v Speaker 7>good job because they stopped this guy from killing killing police. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm thinking by that standard, they could kill everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>The demonstrations, Well, you know, it really has.

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01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:30.560
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the things I remember most about Ruby

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01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Ridge and then about Waco as well, was how people

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01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:37.000
<v Speaker 2>lined up as to whether or not they liked David

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01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Koresh and his group. If they didn't like him, oh yeah,

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01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:42.439
<v Speaker 2>do whatever you want to to him. You know, I'm

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01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:44.199
<v Speaker 2>a Christian, and so I looked at that and I

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01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.159
<v Speaker 2>saw these people said, well, you know, we don't like

1310
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:48.800
<v Speaker 2>this guy. We think he's His theology is avran and

1311
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:52.039
<v Speaker 2>they do weird things in their church and stuff. So yeah, yeah,

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01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:54.000
<v Speaker 2>go after this guy, I'm not part of it. I

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01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.720
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be associated with them, and so they

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01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:01.319
<v Speaker 2>they basically were cheering the incineration of men, women and children.

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01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Is like, what in the world is going on here?

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01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:05.800
<v Speaker 2>But of course you see that now over and over again,

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01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:09.520
<v Speaker 2>like you point out the systematic organization of hatred, you know,

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01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.319
<v Speaker 2>which is yeah, And it was.

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<v Speaker 7>The same thing with the Ruby Ridge. The part of

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01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:20.680
<v Speaker 7>what happened is the FEDS were very quick to vilify,

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01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:26.439
<v Speaker 7>vilify their victims, being the Randy Weaveman his wife. Primarily

1322
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:31.479
<v Speaker 7>they had some bad ideas, and in the writing that

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01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:35.239
<v Speaker 7>I did about it, I was very careful not to say, well,

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01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:38.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, maybe they've got a point. No, no, no, no,

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01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:42.199
<v Speaker 7>I mean bad ideas. But then there are a couple

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01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:45.079
<v Speaker 7>people out there who think that I have bad ideas.

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<v Speaker 7>That's right, So you know, you know, I don't want

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<v Speaker 7>to give the FEDS a license to kill people with

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01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:50.359
<v Speaker 7>bad ideas.

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01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:52.479
<v Speaker 3>But this is what what a lot of the.

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01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:55.600
<v Speaker 7>People who want want the government to fight extremism, This

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01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.720
<v Speaker 7>is what it turns out to be. People have different

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01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:01.239
<v Speaker 7>ideas than you do. He said, well, you know, got

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01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.640
<v Speaker 7>to take him out, you know, I mean it's it's hard.

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01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:09.600
<v Speaker 7>It's hard to have a free speech if someone's hateful,

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01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:14.399
<v Speaker 7>and what's the difference definition of hateful? Disagrees with me? So,

1337
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 7>but we've seen that ever since the Cleton administration.

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01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:19.960
<v Speaker 2>So, and of course, you know, when we look at

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01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the way people responded first to the killing of Renee Good,

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01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.000
<v Speaker 2>what I noticed was the MAGA people came out said, oh,

1341
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.039
<v Speaker 2>she's LGBT and she was part of an organization that

1342
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.199
<v Speaker 2>got some so US money or whatever. And it's like, okay, well,

1343
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you do realize Scott Bessett is a part of that

1344
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:40.199
<v Speaker 2>LGBT movement, and he do realize he got a lot

1345
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.279
<v Speaker 2>of sorous money, didn't He as a partner with the

1346
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.000
<v Speaker 2>guy for a long time. And yet you know they're

1347
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.279
<v Speaker 2>completely blind to that because now this guy is he's whitewashed,

1348
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.119
<v Speaker 2>he's baptized or whatever because Trump picked him and he's

1349
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:56.039
<v Speaker 2>working with Trump, and the same type of stuff. If

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01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:59.279
<v Speaker 2>you equated Ashley Babbitt to Renee Good, which I think

1351
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.800
<v Speaker 2>was a good comparison because they were both shot at

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01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:05.840
<v Speaker 2>point blank range when they were no threat to anyone,

1353
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:08.159
<v Speaker 2>and yet they came back and it said, yeah, but look,

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01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:10.479
<v Speaker 2>you know she's I don't like what she did with

1355
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:12.039
<v Speaker 2>this or what she says about that, I don't like

1356
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.600
<v Speaker 2>her lifestyle or whatever. So again it's the demonization of

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01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:19.279
<v Speaker 2>this kind of thing. And now we've seen it. They

1358
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:21.520
<v Speaker 2>kept digging and digging and pick a lot longer for

1359
01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:24.399
<v Speaker 2>them to find something on Alex pretty but what they

1360
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.199
<v Speaker 2>were able to find on him was a BBC video

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01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:31.880
<v Speaker 2>where he got into a fight with some Border Patrol

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01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.079
<v Speaker 2>agents or something like that. I don't know if you've

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01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.119
<v Speaker 2>seen that or not. That went viral yesterday. Yeah, I

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01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:41.720
<v Speaker 2>haven't watched all of it, but I've seen it. But yeah,

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01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:44.520
<v Speaker 2>so here's the tail light out and it's like, okay,

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01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:48.079
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't kill him that day, and would that

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01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:51.239
<v Speaker 2>justify him being killed that day even and he wasn't

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01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:52.680
<v Speaker 2>doing that the day that.

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<v Speaker 3>He was killed. It wasn't doing anything like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there was a story that I wrote that came

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01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.560
<v Speaker 7>out on the day before he was shot. Said, look,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, you have protests, you're going to have assholes

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01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:08.079
<v Speaker 7>because there's almost always people who behaved like assholes of protests.

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<v Speaker 3>And the same thing. If you've got police, you're also

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01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:11.239
<v Speaker 3>going to have all that's true.

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01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:15.800
<v Speaker 7>That's true. So there's there's an interesting point here on

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01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.359
<v Speaker 7>the looking at the at what Alex pretty did before

1378
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:27.720
<v Speaker 7>he got shot. So we don't know the names of

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01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:31.399
<v Speaker 7>the two federal agents who shot and killed him, and

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01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:34.319
<v Speaker 7>I would be very interested to see what their records were,

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01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:39.359
<v Speaker 7>if they had a record of abusive force, or if

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01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:41.439
<v Speaker 7>they had shot somebody else before.

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01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:43.720
<v Speaker 3>Or you know, or if they were new hires.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. So, I mean, this is this is a real

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01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:56.199
<v Speaker 7>big This is something which comes up in in big

1386
01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.880
<v Speaker 7>cities if some cops shoot someone, especially if the cop

1387
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.439
<v Speaker 7>shot people before, and especially if there was any kind

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01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:08.279
<v Speaker 7>of pattern to the cops killings or shootings. This is

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01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:10.720
<v Speaker 7>this is very germane to make any kind of judgment.

1390
01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:14.479
<v Speaker 7>But the Trump people have decided we have no right.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I don't know when or how federal agents

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01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:21.640
<v Speaker 7>got their right to kill anonymously.

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01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, that's right.

1394
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:25.800
<v Speaker 7>But this is this is this is what it is

1395
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.800
<v Speaker 7>at this point, and it's it's funny, but I mean,

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01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:33.199
<v Speaker 7>it's it's kind of a variation of what we saw

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01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:36.439
<v Speaker 7>a couple of months ago. There was a lot of

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01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:41.359
<v Speaker 7>controversy initially about how the how our War Department had

1399
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:46.039
<v Speaker 7>done a second hit on the survivors out there near Venezuela,

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01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:50.560
<v Speaker 7>and you know it was there was video of that killing,

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01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:53.880
<v Speaker 7>and I guess it was being seen on Capitol Hill.

1402
01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:56.359
<v Speaker 7>Then all of a sudden, our Secretary of War he

1403
01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:59.119
<v Speaker 7>sits comes out of well, of course we can't make

1404
01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:03.359
<v Speaker 7>that publicus's confidential has got this and that it's like,

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01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:05.880
<v Speaker 7>you know, so it's a license to kill.

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01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:08.399
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, you know, he put out and

1408
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:11.640
<v Speaker 2>bragged about their shots against these boats in the past,

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01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and I said that about the this is I think

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01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:16.680
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the circle back where they killed the shipwrecked people.

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01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I think that was the very first strike they did.

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01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:21.760
<v Speaker 2>And I said, of the video that he put out proudly,

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01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:25.479
<v Speaker 2>I said, that's criminal. That's an act of war. They

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01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't interdict that there's there's clearly processes for them to

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01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:33.399
<v Speaker 2>check people if they suspect them of being drug dealers.

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01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:34.920
<v Speaker 3>And again, I don't agree with any of the war on.

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01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Drug stuff, but they have their own rules about that

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01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:39.279
<v Speaker 2>and they violated all the rules.

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01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:45.680
<v Speaker 7>Well, and it's it's it's it's interesting trying to figure

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01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:49.399
<v Speaker 7>out if there's laws or you know, constitutional rights that

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01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:52.800
<v Speaker 7>the Trump administration is going to recognize and uphold.

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01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for anything.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, because it's you know, trying to understand

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01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:01.800
<v Speaker 7>what went down in minneapp list. I mean, it's it's

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01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:07.000
<v Speaker 7>amazing that the first response by the DHS, by Bovino

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01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:09.680
<v Speaker 7>and people like that was like, well, people got no

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01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:11.680
<v Speaker 7>right to know the names that we're going to shift

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01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:14.520
<v Speaker 7>them out of the states so they can't be held

1429
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:21.119
<v Speaker 7>legally libel by Minnesota officials. It's it's like, where did

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01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.960
<v Speaker 7>they get the right to kill in Minnesota? I mean,

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01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.680
<v Speaker 7>this is this is this is not a recognized federal right.

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01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:32.439
<v Speaker 7>But there again, it goes back to Ruby Ridge. And

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01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.159
<v Speaker 7>you had the FBI sniper who killed the mother holding

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01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:36.920
<v Speaker 7>her baby by the cabin door.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll never forget his name.

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01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:45.960
<v Speaker 7>Uchi, And and you had the Janet Reno and the

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01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:50.079
<v Speaker 7>Clinton Just Apartment and the Clinton President Clinton moving hell

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01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.319
<v Speaker 7>in high Water to block any prosecution by the state

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01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:58.840
<v Speaker 7>of Idaho of the FBI sniper even though a confidential

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01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:03.000
<v Speaker 7>Just Apartment report Art said that his shot that killed

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01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:06.680
<v Speaker 7>Vicky Weaver was totally illegal and unjustified.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, recount some of the details about Ruby Ridge because

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01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:13.520
<v Speaker 2>it has been a while for people and even people

1445
01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.760
<v Speaker 2>who were following it at the time. You know, there

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01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:19.159
<v Speaker 2>was a lot at the time we didn't The internet

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01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:21.479
<v Speaker 2>can be both good and bad. I got to say that,

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01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:24.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, when Ruby Ridge happened, and then when you

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01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.359
<v Speaker 2>had the very long standoff there with a branch Davidians,

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01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.560
<v Speaker 2>it was a bit difficult to get information because the

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01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:34.399
<v Speaker 2>only thing you could get was mainstream media whitewashing of stuff.

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01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:37.399
<v Speaker 2>And we did have a bulletin board that I was

1453
01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:39.279
<v Speaker 2>a part of at the time, but there was no Internet,

1454
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:43.000
<v Speaker 2>right so people in the area were getting information and

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01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.319
<v Speaker 2>putting it out, and of course it wasn't verified, but

1456
01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:48.319
<v Speaker 2>of course we knew that the stuff coming from mainstream

1457
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:52.279
<v Speaker 2>media was verified bs. So it was interesting to look

1458
01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>at these things in real time. But go back and

1459
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.000
<v Speaker 2>recount some of the things with Ruby Ridge, as you see,

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01:20:58.000 --> 01:20:59.680
<v Speaker 2>are parallels to what's happening.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'll started getting a thumbnail Ruby Rich here. It

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01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:09.800
<v Speaker 7>started when the when an undercover alcohol tobacco firearms atf

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<v Speaker 7>agent and trapped Randy Weaver into selling a salt off shotgun.

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01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:19.439
<v Speaker 7>Uh it was a Then on August twenty first, nineteen

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01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:23.520
<v Speaker 7>ninety two, three US marshals dressed in ninja outfits and

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01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:28.960
<v Speaker 7>with face masks, illegally intrude on the Weaver's land and

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<v Speaker 7>ambush Weaver's fourteen year old son and a twenty five

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01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:36.079
<v Speaker 7>year old family friend, Kevin Harris. The marshals fired some

1469
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:39.319
<v Speaker 7>machine guns at the at the UH at them and

1470
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:43.600
<v Speaker 7>killed the boy's dog. A firefight and sued ensued a

1471
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:46.960
<v Speaker 7>US Marshalls killed as the boy was running back home

1472
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:50.640
<v Speaker 7>towards his family's cabin, a marshal, a Marshall shined in

1473
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.920
<v Speaker 7>the back and killed him. Yeah, and it was a

1474
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:59.159
<v Speaker 7>big issue then in the Justice Department confidential report?

1475
01:21:59.720 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Was it?

1476
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:04.319
<v Speaker 7>The Marshal Service never separated the different marshals who had

1477
01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:07.640
<v Speaker 7>killed the boy and been in the firefight and gave

1478
01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:10.399
<v Speaker 7>them thereby giving them a chance to create their own

1479
01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:14.079
<v Speaker 7>cover story, which was later approven to be completely false.

1480
01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:17.479
<v Speaker 7>But so the marshals gave a storyline to the FBI

1481
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:22.119
<v Speaker 7>that made the FBI panic. The next day, FBI snipers arrived.

1482
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:25.920
<v Speaker 7>Within an hour of them taking position, every adult in

1483
01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:29.640
<v Speaker 7>the Weaver cabin was either dead or severely wounded. Even

1484
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.239
<v Speaker 7>though they never fired a shot at the FBI. You

1485
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:36.720
<v Speaker 7>had FBI sniper whore ugually shot Randy Weave in the

1486
01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:40.920
<v Speaker 7>back as he stood outside his shack and then fired

1487
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.319
<v Speaker 7>a shot that killed Vicky Weaver by the cabin door

1488
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:48.520
<v Speaker 7>as she was holding her baby. Now, the FBI initially

1489
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:52.079
<v Speaker 7>said that they were justified in killing Vicky Weaver because

1490
01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:55.800
<v Speaker 7>she'd been in the front yard firing at the FBI helicopter.

1491
01:22:56.640 --> 01:23:00.560
<v Speaker 7>That was a complete scam and that fell apart, And

1492
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:04.199
<v Speaker 7>so once that story fell apart, the FBI said they

1493
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:05.600
<v Speaker 7>killed her accidentally.

1494
01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:10.479
<v Speaker 2>So that sounds like Christine Holmes thing the agents were

1495
01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:15.199
<v Speaker 2>stuck in the snow. Oh yeah, yeah, just making this

1496
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.439
<v Speaker 2>stuff up, the contempt for everybody. It reminds me of

1497
01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:20.319
<v Speaker 2>what Jake Tappert just said to one of these guys.

1498
01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:22.920
<v Speaker 2>The guy's going on on about what happened with this

1499
01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Alex pretty thing, and he goes, you do realize there's

1500
01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:27.399
<v Speaker 2>a video of this, don't you.

1501
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:30.159
<v Speaker 6>Well?

1502
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:33.640
<v Speaker 7>And that's the only reason why we've got a chance

1503
01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:36.680
<v Speaker 7>of help getting the truth on this, because if you

1504
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:41.439
<v Speaker 7>think of the initial storyline that the Trump top officials

1505
01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:45.359
<v Speaker 7>put out on the Alex Preddy shooting, he had his

1506
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:48.319
<v Speaker 7>non bill meter pistol out. He was a solding law

1507
01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:50.479
<v Speaker 7>enforcement and they were you know, he was there to

1508
01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:54.279
<v Speaker 7>mask for them, and you know, to the New York

1509
01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:57.920
<v Speaker 7>Thomps credit. You know, within an hour of the Trump

1510
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:01.239
<v Speaker 7>top officials saying them, you know, New York Times were saying,

1511
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:06.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, actually there's videos, there's something completely different, and

1512
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:09.520
<v Speaker 7>so many papers came around to that quite quickly. But

1513
01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:14.000
<v Speaker 7>you had the Trump people quite acclaimed to this absolute

1514
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:18.880
<v Speaker 7>nonsense version that would whitewash the federal agents who killed Preddie.

1515
01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:23.760
<v Speaker 7>And it's like, okay, if you're gonna lie so brazenly,

1516
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.239
<v Speaker 7>why should we trust you on anything that's right?

1517
01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:28.760
<v Speaker 3>That's right exactly. Yeah.

1518
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:32.000
<v Speaker 2>It is brazen, it is arrogant. It's an insult to

1519
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.199
<v Speaker 2>our intelligence, isn't it myself?

1520
01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:38.079
<v Speaker 7>Well yeah it is, except for people on Twitter.

1521
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:44.680
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, because a lot of that intelligence because they're just

1522
01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:47.720
<v Speaker 8>you know, it was it was like, you know, but

1523
01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.680
<v Speaker 8>you know, but Stephen Miller said this, and you know,

1524
01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:54.520
<v Speaker 8>it was like it was handed down from Mount Sinai

1525
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:57.960
<v Speaker 8>and it's like, well no, actually, you know.

1526
01:24:58.039 --> 01:25:01.000
<v Speaker 7>It's that's that's that's not what that's not what happened.

1527
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:05.760
<v Speaker 7>So you're calling them liars, Well.

1528
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. You got a better wordy than the liar.

1529
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:12.479
<v Speaker 2>They were grossly mistaken.

1530
01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:14.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1531
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:15.159
<v Speaker 3>But so.

1532
01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:20.039
<v Speaker 7>An interesting thing with this was that there was there

1533
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:22.760
<v Speaker 7>were a lot of people in the just Department who

1534
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.800
<v Speaker 7>were very unhappy how it went down at Ruby Ridge,

1535
01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:29.159
<v Speaker 7>and there was an internal investigation that came out with

1536
01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:32.880
<v Speaker 7>a five hundred page report. The government kept that secret,

1537
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:39.760
<v Speaker 7>and early early nineteen ninety five, FBI Chief Lewis Free

1538
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:43.840
<v Speaker 7>does a press conference and announces basically whitewashes all the

1539
01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:47.960
<v Speaker 7>FBI policy makers and the snipers for the killing of

1540
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:50.840
<v Speaker 7>Vicky Weaver and everything else that happened in that case.

1541
01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:55.640
<v Speaker 7>So a couple of days later, I did a piece

1542
01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:59.479
<v Speaker 7>for the Wall Street Journal called no Accountability at the FBI.

1543
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:02.920
<v Speaker 7>A couple of weeks later, Lewis Free attacked me in

1544
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.560
<v Speaker 7>the article and a response he wrote to the Wall

1545
01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:10.359
<v Speaker 7>Street Journal. And so, you know, it was funny. There

1546
01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:12.600
<v Speaker 7>was a friend of mine from Argentina who had done

1547
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:15.840
<v Speaker 7>some work with and on the day that the Lewis

1548
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:20.000
<v Speaker 7>Free letter condemning me came out and the Walls Journal,

1549
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:22.520
<v Speaker 7>he calls it and says, well, I just wanted to

1550
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:31.560
<v Speaker 7>say goodbye, because you know he's Argentina. You know I'm

1551
01:26:31.640 --> 01:26:34.239
<v Speaker 7>not gonna be around very long. And I said, oh,

1552
01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:38.760
<v Speaker 7>you know, I can't imagine the federal officials ever doing

1553
01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:40.039
<v Speaker 7>anything improper like that.

1554
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:44.479
<v Speaker 3>But we're starting to approach that point. Perhaps I don't know.

1555
01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:47.600
<v Speaker 7>There you go, but so so so I kept digging

1556
01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:51.720
<v Speaker 7>and I eventually got the a copy of that five

1557
01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:56.279
<v Speaker 7>hundred page confidential report, and I wrote about that for

1558
01:26:57.560 --> 01:26:59.920
<v Speaker 7>the Wall Street Journal, and I also wrote about the

1559
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:03.520
<v Speaker 7>case for a Playboy and American Spectator. And I think

1560
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:05.359
<v Speaker 7>my stories interrupt.

1561
01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>You a second. How did you get that five hundred

1562
01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:09.319
<v Speaker 2>page report? I mean, did they give that up with

1563
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:10.159
<v Speaker 2>a four request?

1564
01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:15.199
<v Speaker 7>No? No, no, they they did not give it up.

1565
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:20.439
<v Speaker 7>Would Yeah, no, it was Look, it was not given up.

1566
01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, you found it through some alternative sources.

1567
01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.119
<v Speaker 7>Well I came into possession.

1568
01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:28.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there you go.

1569
01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:33.800
<v Speaker 7>How about that. That's the way, Yeah, like that, But no,

1570
01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:39.000
<v Speaker 7>it was Pentagon. And having that report it just completely

1571
01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:43.479
<v Speaker 7>destroyed the entire storyline the FEDS had created going back

1572
01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:47.760
<v Speaker 7>two years or more earlier. And it made a mockery

1573
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:53.520
<v Speaker 7>of Lewis Freeze claims. And they finally, uh suspended some

1574
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:59.840
<v Speaker 7>officials FBI and the in the top the top official

1575
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.720
<v Speaker 7>of the FBI Violent Crimes a Major Offender Section plaid

1576
01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:08.000
<v Speaker 7>guilty was sent to prison for destroying evidence on the

1577
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:09.159
<v Speaker 7>Ruby Ridge case.

1578
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that. I didn't think there's some details.

1579
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. That's good.

1580
01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:15.439
<v Speaker 3>Somebody went to jail.

1581
01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:18.279
<v Speaker 7>It may yeah, it may have been the evidence that

1582
01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:22.680
<v Speaker 7>he destroyed would have showed that lan Horiucci intentionally killed

1583
01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:26.239
<v Speaker 7>Vicky Weaver, or maybe at didna. We don't know, because

1584
01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:30.000
<v Speaker 7>it was destroyed and the cover up was successful.

1585
01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:32.159
<v Speaker 3>And they gave him a medal, didn't they lan Horyucci?

1586
01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.760
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, but uh, there was a story which

1587
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:37.399
<v Speaker 7>I did.

1588
01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:38.640
<v Speaker 3>The recommendation or whatever.

1589
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:43.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, maybe I'm not sure, but what the Marshal Service

1590
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:48.039
<v Speaker 7>did is wait until you know three and a half

1591
01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:52.640
<v Speaker 7>years after the marshals there killed Sandy Weaver and then

1592
01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:56.600
<v Speaker 7>gave their highest valor commendation to the marshals who had

1593
01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:00.319
<v Speaker 7>been at Ruby Ridge in early nineteen ninety six. And

1594
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:03.520
<v Speaker 7>I wrote a Wall Street Journable story about that. There

1595
01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:05.680
<v Speaker 7>was a lot of pushback among some of their editors,

1596
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:10.359
<v Speaker 7>but that's a different story. But uh no, it was

1597
01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:13.720
<v Speaker 7>it was brazen that they were. It was it was

1598
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:19.119
<v Speaker 7>a wide erb who was a US marshal, uh someone

1599
01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:23.039
<v Speaker 7>like that? I mean, it was a movie consultant, right,

1600
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:27.279
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I'm not I'm uh uh. It'd be kind

1601
01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:29.319
<v Speaker 7>of rude to stop the interview and doing an internet

1602
01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:32.279
<v Speaker 7>search and Google searts. So but no, but so it

1603
01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:36.239
<v Speaker 7>was utterly brazen. But and it's just it's just interesting

1604
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:40.960
<v Speaker 7>to see how many lies, i mean, lying and killing

1605
01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:42.640
<v Speaker 7>goes together like ham and eggs.

1606
01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:43.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1607
01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:46.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you have that with the federal agencies, like you

1608
01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:50.600
<v Speaker 7>have it with the mafia. Yeah. So, and.

1609
01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:54.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, certainly somebody's gonna kill somebody as serious as that

1610
01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.720
<v Speaker 2>crime is, they're gonna lie about it. And uh yeah,

1611
01:29:56.760 --> 01:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And so that's what we see when the government does it.

1612
01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's kind of interesting. We talk about the

1613
01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:04.159
<v Speaker 2>situation of Venezuela. One of the things that I've said

1614
01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:10.359
<v Speaker 2>is that, you know, Madison said, the weapons of defense

1615
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>abroad always become instruments of tyranny at home. And I

1616
01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>think that applies to their attitudes towards killing people, their

1617
01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>attitudes towards war, whether it's foreign or domestic. I think

1618
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:27.319
<v Speaker 2>once they have crossed that rubicon in their mind like

1619
01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:29.239
<v Speaker 2>they did with Venezuela, it's just a matter of time

1620
01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>before they start doing it domestically as well. And I

1621
01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>think it's kind of amazing too when you look at

1622
01:30:33.720 --> 01:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>border patrol and immigration control and all the rest of

1623
01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the stuff. They're so focused on their political border, but

1624
01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:44.199
<v Speaker 2>they don't think there's any boundaries whatsoever in law for

1625
01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:46.800
<v Speaker 2>what they do. So these are people who say, yeah,

1626
01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>we got to have borders and so forth, but there's

1627
01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:51.159
<v Speaker 2>no boundaries for us. I mean Trump has even said that.

1628
01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, he was asked that question. He had no

1629
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:56.239
<v Speaker 2>problem about saying, well, no, I don't think there's any

1630
01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:59.199
<v Speaker 2>restrictions that I have, any rules in any international rules

1631
01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:03.800
<v Speaker 2>or laws that I need. You, I'm constrained by my morality.

1632
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:09.560
<v Speaker 7>Oh, that was so comforting. It was just I mean,

1633
01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:13.720
<v Speaker 7>there are so many things which Trump says that which

1634
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:15.279
<v Speaker 7>are just you know.

1635
01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:18.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was a golden moment. You know, that's kind

1636
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:20.560
<v Speaker 3>of like makes insane. Well, when the president does it,

1637
01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:22.720
<v Speaker 3>it is not illegal, you know, it's.

1638
01:31:22.399 --> 01:31:26.720
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but it's going back to those border patrol agents

1639
01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:30.680
<v Speaker 7>and the ice folks. I mean, it's almost as if

1640
01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:35.720
<v Speaker 7>we those federal agents need to have absolute power in

1641
01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:37.840
<v Speaker 7>order to preserve the American way of life.

1642
01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1643
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:41.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, except that the American way of life and federal

1644
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.039
<v Speaker 7>absolute power it did not used to go together.

1645
01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:47.520
<v Speaker 3>So that's right. Well, we just had that a week

1646
01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:48.079
<v Speaker 3>or two ago.

1647
01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>We had some Israeli billionaire named SloMo and he said,

1648
01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>We're going to destroy the First Amendment to preserve it. Right,

1649
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:57.039
<v Speaker 2>So we got to destroy the rule of law in

1650
01:31:57.119 --> 01:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>order to have America. We got to destroy the Constitution

1651
01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>and everything else. Right, that's the logic behind what these

1652
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:03.920
<v Speaker 2>people are telling us.

1653
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:07.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, and some of the Trump actions on

1654
01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:11.119
<v Speaker 7>freedom speech have been appalling, oh yeah, saying with a

1655
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.000
<v Speaker 7>lot of the other things they had done. So but

1656
01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:17.039
<v Speaker 7>it's just part of what's fascinating to me. On going

1657
01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:19.520
<v Speaker 7>back to the parallels or Ruby Ridge and the killing

1658
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:22.720
<v Speaker 7>on Saturday, what were their rules of engagement for the

1659
01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:26.319
<v Speaker 7>DHS agents? There was there was there was a video

1660
01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:29.960
<v Speaker 7>I saw online Bobino was talking to the agents giving

1661
01:32:29.960 --> 01:32:32.520
<v Speaker 7>them a pep talk, and he was telling them if

1662
01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.840
<v Speaker 7>anybody touches you, then you know, take them down, arrest them,

1663
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:38.760
<v Speaker 7>you know, just you know, do maximum penalties for him.

1664
01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:43.279
<v Speaker 7>And this is the same attitude. Christy Noms said something

1665
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:47.920
<v Speaker 7>similar that if some if somebody, if some protests really

1666
01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:51.319
<v Speaker 7>touches you, boom, that's assaults so on and so forth. Well,

1667
01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:54.159
<v Speaker 7>you've seen the videos of these a lot of the

1668
01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:59.960
<v Speaker 7>federal agents being super aggressive with people down aasching them, assaulting,

1669
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:02.359
<v Speaker 7>spraying the face for no reason. Why the pepper spray.

1670
01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:07.479
<v Speaker 7>I mean, this is such an absolute disparity. Instead there's

1671
01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:10.479
<v Speaker 7>a conduct. You know, how are people supposed to be

1672
01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:13.399
<v Speaker 7>free when federal agents have the right to beat them?

1673
01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:14.199
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

1674
01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I remember years ago there was a protest at Berkeley,

1675
01:33:17.640 --> 01:33:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember what it was for, and you

1676
01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:23.039
<v Speaker 2>had all these people that were, you know, setting cross

1677
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>leg on the ground, and you had this fat cop

1678
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>go along with pepper spray right in front of their faces,

1679
01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:31.119
<v Speaker 2>just spraying, and that outraged everybody, and rightfully so it's like,

1680
01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing that for? And yet you know

1681
01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:35.399
<v Speaker 2>we have the same situation happening now with these Ice agents.

1682
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:39.119
<v Speaker 2>There's that one picture where they had this person pinned

1683
01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:41.479
<v Speaker 2>to the ground, A guy puts the spray can right

1684
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>in his face or her face and sprays them with that.

1685
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:48.479
<v Speaker 2>There was another one after the shooting of Renee Good.

1686
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I've played that multiple times video I played multiple times

1687
01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:55.319
<v Speaker 2>on the show where you got this guy going around

1688
01:33:55.399 --> 01:34:00.079
<v Speaker 2>kicking they put on they chucked up the sidewalk with

1689
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>her name and things like that, and then put some

1690
01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:05.039
<v Speaker 2>candles there and you probably saw that. He goes on

1691
01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:07.039
<v Speaker 2>kicking the candles over and guy says, what are you doing?

1692
01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:07.560
<v Speaker 2>What are you doing?

1693
01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:08.479
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what?

1694
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:11.359
<v Speaker 2>And the guy gets right up in his face and

1695
01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, it gets like about an inch from actually

1696
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.319
<v Speaker 2>hitting him with his body, says get back, get back,

1697
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>get back, you know, and keeps pushing him back. Just thugish,

1698
01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:25.359
<v Speaker 2>schoolyard behavior, just beyond belief, trying to go the guy

1699
01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>into touching him so he can go off on this guy.

1700
01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>He and all the other ones around there. It's going

1701
01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:32.720
<v Speaker 2>to be a gang bang if he just lays a

1702
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:35.159
<v Speaker 2>finger on this guy. And he's doing everything he can

1703
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:38.239
<v Speaker 2>to provoke that. And we've seen them coming up to people,

1704
01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:41.479
<v Speaker 2>knocking phones out of their hands because it's somehow. It's

1705
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:45.319
<v Speaker 2>now a rule that if you are photographing the police,

1706
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:48.119
<v Speaker 2>which you have a right to do. Supreme Court has

1707
01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:50.680
<v Speaker 2>said that over and over. I believe it's a Supreme court.

1708
01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>There's been multiple court cases. I don't know if it

1709
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:55.199
<v Speaker 2>got up to the Supreme Court or not, but you

1710
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:57.199
<v Speaker 2>have a right to film the police. We all know

1711
01:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.279
<v Speaker 2>that that should be there, whether the law says that

1712
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:02.439
<v Speaker 2>or not. But they come up to people and threaten them,

1713
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>threatened to put them in a database, knock the phone

1714
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:06.399
<v Speaker 2>out of their hands, and all the rest of this stuff.

1715
01:35:07.119 --> 01:35:07.359
<v Speaker 7>Yep.

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01:35:07.600 --> 01:35:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:11.920
<v Speaker 7>The well, the the Trump DHS has been very explicit

1718
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:15.239
<v Speaker 7>that there is no right to video tape federal agents

1719
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:20.119
<v Speaker 7>in public. There that that to video tape them, even

1720
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:25.479
<v Speaker 7>when they're wearing masks, yes to them and uh and uh,

1721
01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:29.880
<v Speaker 7>and that that is considered to be a crime and

1722
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.760
<v Speaker 7>the federal agents are entitled to use force to shut

1723
01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:37.880
<v Speaker 7>that down. And as you mentioned, there's been a Supreme

1724
01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:40.720
<v Speaker 7>Court has not made this explicit, but there have been

1725
01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:44.159
<v Speaker 7>a number of federal Appeals Court rulings that said, look,

1726
01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:46.039
<v Speaker 7>you know, people have got to write to video tape

1727
01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:49.520
<v Speaker 7>the police, uh in public. I mean there's there's a

1728
01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:52.199
<v Speaker 7>certain point where the video tape could become two a

1729
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:57.640
<v Speaker 7>grass server too interfering. But I mean there are you know,

1730
01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:01.399
<v Speaker 7>there's lots of the uh d Trump supporters would like

1731
01:36:01.439 --> 01:36:05.880
<v Speaker 7>to have a five mile zone of no cameras.

1732
01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess are they going to go around Jim

1733
01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:11.359
<v Speaker 2>and are they going to arrest Flock and Amazon for

1734
01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the ring cameras and stuff, because we got cameras everywhere

1735
01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:16.399
<v Speaker 2>in our society now, whether you like it or not,

1736
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and most of us aren't wearing masks when that's happening

1737
01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>as well.

1738
01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:25.319
<v Speaker 7>Well, And it's just it's it's it's interesting how you have.

1739
01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:30.000
<v Speaker 7>You've got two sides here. One, you've got total secrecy

1740
01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:33.159
<v Speaker 7>for the FEDS, they've got their face masks, nobody's got

1741
01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:35.319
<v Speaker 7>no age, has got a name, and people got no

1742
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:38.479
<v Speaker 7>right to know the name of the agents that killed somebody.

1743
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:42.239
<v Speaker 7>And on the flip side, you've got total surveillance. You

1744
01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:46.079
<v Speaker 7>got these these ages going around and sticking cameras in

1745
01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:49.800
<v Speaker 7>people's faces and saying that that that they're a face

1746
01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:51.279
<v Speaker 7>and the name will be in a database.

1747
01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Now.

1748
01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:55.319
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so the terrorists or whatever protests or.

1749
01:36:55.319 --> 01:36:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Database somebody does that to me, I tell them spell

1750
01:36:57.840 --> 01:36:59.439
<v Speaker 2>my name right, let me give it to you just

1751
01:36:59.439 --> 01:36:59.840
<v Speaker 2>in case.

1752
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:04.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, it's it's kind of late for me

1753
01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:05.119
<v Speaker 7>to worry about.

1754
01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:06.479
<v Speaker 3>Being a NOO data basis. That's right.

1755
01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:09.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, their society, I guess, Jim, we could look

1756
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:12.800
<v Speaker 2>at it. Their their model for society is a one

1757
01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:14.920
<v Speaker 2>way mirror, right, you know where they are On the

1758
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:16.920
<v Speaker 2>opposite side, of the mirror. You know, you look at

1759
01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:19.239
<v Speaker 2>it and you don't see them at all. You you

1760
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:22.119
<v Speaker 2>only see yourself that's there, as they as they're putting

1761
01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>you in the databases that are there, but you're not.

1762
01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Allowed to see anything they have.

1763
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:30.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and it's it's important to keep in mind. Donald

1764
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:33.560
<v Speaker 7>Trump has often said he's going to make America great again,

1765
01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:37.199
<v Speaker 7>but he never says he's gonna make America free again

1766
01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:41.880
<v Speaker 7>or make America constitutional. And Trump's idea of America great

1767
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:45.039
<v Speaker 7>and it seems to be focused on the presidential power.

1768
01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yeah, he's going to make all power. It's

1769
01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>going to make it's gonna make America a monarchy again.

1770
01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:54.800
<v Speaker 7>Well, and what's appalling to me is you got so

1771
01:37:54.840 --> 01:37:58.720
<v Speaker 7>many conservatives who are cheerleading for that. Yeah, I'm just thinking,

1772
01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:03.039
<v Speaker 7>are you that here historically ill literate exactly, But to

1773
01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:04.720
<v Speaker 7>ask that question is to answer it.

1774
01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, what are you trying to conserve at this point?

1775
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've had the terms neo con We need

1776
01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.039
<v Speaker 2>to come up with something for the Trump Trump cons

1777
01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>or something like that which says that they don't adhere

1778
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:18.399
<v Speaker 2>to any principles of individual liberty or economic liberty or

1779
01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the rule of law whatever, that's.

1780
01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:20.600
<v Speaker 3>A Trump con.

1781
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:24.680
<v Speaker 2>We're just here for loyalty to Trump because that gets

1782
01:38:24.720 --> 01:38:25.720
<v Speaker 2>us jobs.

1783
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:26.199
<v Speaker 3>It gets us money.

1784
01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:29.279
<v Speaker 7>The highest freedom, Yeah, that's right, that is the highest

1785
01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:32.760
<v Speaker 7>free having the opportunity to obey Donald Trump's orders. And

1786
01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:36.920
<v Speaker 7>it's like and it's it's unfortunate because Trump has some

1787
01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:40.000
<v Speaker 7>good ideas, He's had some good policies. I had a

1788
01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:43.760
<v Speaker 7>story in New York Post last Sunday on Trump's talking

1789
01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:47.279
<v Speaker 7>about banning the red light cameras and the speed cameras

1790
01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:50.239
<v Speaker 7>in Washington, d C. I mean, those things are an

1791
01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.239
<v Speaker 7>absolute menace. They caused so many accents, They've killed people.

1792
01:38:53.399 --> 01:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't see that he said that. I would

1793
01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:58.439
<v Speaker 2>agree with that, but I don't think that he'll do it.

1794
01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.960
<v Speaker 7>I don't think Trump had not said that. But if

1795
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:06.000
<v Speaker 7>someone in his transportation apartment, oh okay to ban those

1796
01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:11.119
<v Speaker 7>bend those cameras, and yeah, it's it's a great example

1797
01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:14.399
<v Speaker 7>of how how the government can be a scoundrel because

1798
01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:17.359
<v Speaker 7>what happens is you have those red light cameras put

1799
01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:20.880
<v Speaker 7>in in order to maximize revenue. What they do is

1800
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:24.319
<v Speaker 7>shorten the yellow light. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, and then

1801
01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:26.399
<v Speaker 7>cause a lot of accidents and fatalities.

1802
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:28.680
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I agree.

1803
01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was surprised because wait a minute, does Trump

1804
01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:32.920
<v Speaker 2>ever even drive a car?

1805
01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:34.159
<v Speaker 3>You know, this is one of the things when you.

1806
01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:37.640
<v Speaker 7>See no, no, I mean, and this is.

1807
01:39:39.439 --> 01:39:39.880
<v Speaker 3>About this.

1808
01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:43.760
<v Speaker 7>You know, this is a fascinating angle on it too,

1809
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:48.159
<v Speaker 7>because I assume that Trump has had bodyguards going back

1810
01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:49.880
<v Speaker 7>for the last thirty or forty years.

1811
01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:50.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1812
01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:55.720
<v Speaker 7>Sure, and his absolute contempt for Second Amendment rights. Yes,

1813
01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:59.199
<v Speaker 7>of anybody going to their protest is supposed to disarm

1814
01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:02.159
<v Speaker 7>and put themselves of the mercy of the feds. I mean,

1815
01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:03.640
<v Speaker 7>this is such And you.

1816
01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Can see that with that other elitist billionaire Scott Bessant,

1817
01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:09.199
<v Speaker 2>who gets a free pass. We're working for Soros from

1818
01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the MAGA people for some reason. And when he's saying,

1819
01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:14.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, I can't imagine anybody taking a gun

1820
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to a protest or whatever. And it's like he said,

1821
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I've been at protest. I didn't take guns.

1822
01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:18.760
<v Speaker 3>I thought.

1823
01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I said to my wife, I said, they were probably protesting. Bessant,

1824
01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:27.359
<v Speaker 2>that's a good point. Probably I get to Wall Street

1825
01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>or something.

1826
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:32.720
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, I've had the experience of being a

1827
01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:35.399
<v Speaker 7>protest where there were guns, in protests where the guns

1828
01:40:35.399 --> 01:40:40.319
<v Speaker 7>were banned, and it's like, you know, eh, it's life.

1829
01:40:40.439 --> 01:40:43.039
<v Speaker 7>It's like, I mean, guns are part of the American

1830
01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:46.039
<v Speaker 7>way of life, and it's also a symbol of American freedom.

1831
01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:47.000
<v Speaker 3>So that's right.

1832
01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:47.319
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

1833
01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I've said this multiple times on airs and said he

1834
01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:50.479
<v Speaker 2>said that.

1835
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:51.359
<v Speaker 3>I said.

1836
01:40:51.439 --> 01:40:54.720
<v Speaker 2>The safest protest I was at was a protest at

1837
01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the Alamo where they were trying to get the carry

1838
01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>laws changed in Texas. And you have hundreds of people

1839
01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:03.359
<v Speaker 2>with the rifles slung over their shoulders and police left

1840
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:05.760
<v Speaker 2>everybody alone. It's a great deterrent to violence.

1841
01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:08.479
<v Speaker 3>You know, Well, this is it.

1842
01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:12.359
<v Speaker 7>I mean, the the it was fascinating to see the

1843
01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:16.000
<v Speaker 7>absolute panic by the federal agents as soon as someone

1844
01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:18.920
<v Speaker 7>says gun gon gun. Oh, we got to shoot him

1845
01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:23.000
<v Speaker 7>ten times. Yeah, I mean that was an absolute disgrace.

1846
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:24.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1847
01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:26.359
<v Speaker 7>They were beating the hell out of this guy who

1848
01:41:26.439 --> 01:41:31.319
<v Speaker 7>THEYD knocked to the ground unjustifiably, and then they panicked

1849
01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:35.079
<v Speaker 7>and killed him. And it's like, how on the hell

1850
01:41:35.520 --> 01:41:39.279
<v Speaker 7>anybody can uphold that kind of behavior or see it

1851
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:41.640
<v Speaker 7>as a model or say, yeah, but he was a

1852
01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:45.319
<v Speaker 7>bad guy because he voted for Tim Waltz. You know whatever,

1853
01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:46.039
<v Speaker 7>I don't care.

1854
01:41:46.359 --> 01:41:49.079
<v Speaker 2>That's right, And I don't care about what happened, you know,

1855
01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:51.760
<v Speaker 2>in that video from the BBC that was released on

1856
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Wednesday went viral on Wednesday. I really that's not relevant

1857
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to this particular case. First of all, said, look, you

1858
01:41:57.560 --> 01:41:59.359
<v Speaker 2>can see the gun is stuck in the in the

1859
01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>back of his waistband there in his back. It's like, yeah,

1860
01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:04.359
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't pull it out, right, So what's the deal.

1861
01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:08.039
<v Speaker 2>They didn't kill him either, you know, so so if

1862
01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:08.840
<v Speaker 2>they could deal with that.

1863
01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:13.359
<v Speaker 7>Then yeah, it's totally appalling to see Trump talking as

1864
01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:18.560
<v Speaker 7>if anyone, anybody with a gun should be presumed guilty,

1865
01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:23.840
<v Speaker 7>especially if they've got a second magazine. And how many

1866
01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:25.479
<v Speaker 7>bullets did the cops carry.

1867
01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:25.479
<v Speaker 1>You know?

1868
01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:27.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1869
01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:27.640
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

1870
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Well I was at the I was at the Bundy

1871
01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Ranch stand off there.

1872
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:31.600
<v Speaker 3>On the ground.

1873
01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:33.279
<v Speaker 7>Oh that was a great one.

1874
01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was.

1875
01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>It was a big win because what was good about

1876
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:39.760
<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't just a protest.

1877
01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:41.920
<v Speaker 3>They had a specific thing that they wanted.

1878
01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:44.119
<v Speaker 2>They said, we want the cows back, you know, so

1879
01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:49.159
<v Speaker 2>that you stole from us, Okay, and so it was

1880
01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:50.800
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. But one of the things that came up

1881
01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:53.359
<v Speaker 2>in the aftermath of that when they came after several

1882
01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:56.039
<v Speaker 2>people and sent some of them to jail. They had

1883
01:42:56.359 --> 01:43:00.479
<v Speaker 2>a picture of a guy who was up above on

1884
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:03.199
<v Speaker 2>the uh, on the road, yeah, trying to present him

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<v Speaker 2>as a sniper, and he was down. Uh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the protesters side, and he was down behind

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<v Speaker 2>this concrete barrier there, you know, road road barrier, and

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01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:15.960
<v Speaker 2>so was a woman behind him. And so in the

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<v Speaker 2>court case they said, so, why is the defense attorney

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<v Speaker 2>They were trying to make this guy out to be

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<v Speaker 2>the aggressor and the only threat that was there. And

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<v Speaker 2>the defense attorney says, so why were you bending downside? Sorry,

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01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you can't ask that question. You know, obviously he's hiding

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<v Speaker 2>behind the concrete barrier because they were threatening to shoot us, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And they said, you can't ask that question.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, there's a that's the case I wrote about for

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<v Speaker 7>USA Today and it's fascinating a cross of that case.

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<v Speaker 7>And part of the reason there were armed people there

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<v Speaker 7>was was the Bundee's fear the FBI put snipers around

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<v Speaker 7>their house to kill them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh they did, Ridge, Yeah, they did.

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<v Speaker 2>They had There was actually some of the guys there

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<v Speaker 2>cleaned out a sniper is nest. One night there and

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, okay, I wasn't aware of that, but I know

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<v Speaker 7>the there was a federal judge. Her first name was Gloria,

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01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:16.920
<v Speaker 7>Hispanic lady. But so the so the Feds, I think

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<v Speaker 7>in the retrial of maybe the bundies themselves, the Feds

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<v Speaker 7>finally admitted that yes, they did have snipers around the

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<v Speaker 7>land or the home of the Abundanes, and so there

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<v Speaker 7>was a real threat, whereas what the what the Obama

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<v Speaker 7>people had done was trying to portray them and then

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<v Speaker 7>the Trump people as well. Uh, it's betrayed those protesters

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<v Speaker 7>as just kind of complete liars on trustworthy troublemakers because

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<v Speaker 7>they were saying they were FBI snipers around their house

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<v Speaker 7>and of course that's nonsense. But when they when it

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<v Speaker 7>finally came out, the federal judge was so furious, I

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<v Speaker 7>think that she just threw the entire case out of court.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have hung all of them. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if there had been there was a BLM agent who

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<v Speaker 2>became a whistleblower, well.

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<v Speaker 7>He was great, he was great, and if it had gone.

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<v Speaker 2>If it hadn't been for him, that judge would have

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01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:15.279
<v Speaker 2>railroaded because they did already send several people to prison

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<v Speaker 2>for long prison stances, and I didn't follow up on

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<v Speaker 2>that to see if they got a pardon with it

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<v Speaker 2>or not. But basically, with the whistleblower's information, she realized

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<v Speaker 2>that they'd been lying to her and that got her angry,

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<v Speaker 2>and so she acquitted them with you know, prejudice or

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<v Speaker 2>what so they couldn't come after them again. But she

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<v Speaker 2>had been really rough in terms of shutting down obvious

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<v Speaker 2>questions like that, you know, why is this person hiding

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<v Speaker 2>a crouched down behind a concrete burier like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>other people who didn't have guns were doing the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was simply the answer is because I was

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<v Speaker 2>there heard them yelling get back, you know, disperse, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to shoot, you know, and they had their guns

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<v Speaker 2>pointed at us.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow. Yeah, well, well it's pretty just good that. It's

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<v Speaker 7>good that didn't make you lose faith in the system.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have any faith in the system to start with,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I didn't lose any more faith in the system. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any faith in the system at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, Well, tell us what you're up to. And

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<v Speaker 2>I see a book there in the back.

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<v Speaker 3>Last Rights. Is that a recent publication that you have?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, that's the most recent book I've got, Last Rights.

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<v Speaker 7>It's an update of all the different government crimes and

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01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:33.680
<v Speaker 7>abuses I did Loss Rights over thirty years ago, and

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<v Speaker 7>Last Rights is how things have gotten a lot worse

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<v Speaker 7>since nineteen ninety four when the Loss Rights came out.

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<v Speaker 2>I was scraped in the bottom of the barrel. Now

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, aren't we It's.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, well, there's a lot of good examples to write about,

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<v Speaker 7>but I don't know how much good it does. So

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<v Speaker 7>I've got the books I've got. I write for various

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01:46:54.680 --> 01:47:00.880
<v Speaker 7>think tanks, Meazies, libertarians to a Future Freedom Foundation. I

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<v Speaker 7>do suffer New York posts. I do for some magazines.

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01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:08.960
<v Speaker 7>I've done some stuff recently for a reason, So you know,

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<v Speaker 7>here and there, just just trying to hustle and keep

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<v Speaker 7>positive cash flow.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, when you look at somebody who I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen more open contempt for the First Amendment than Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's surpassed Richard Nixon on this.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten that he's got against a Wall Street journal that

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<v Speaker 3>you've written for.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I mean Trump and his lawsuits is like

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01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:40.399
<v Speaker 7>ten billion dollars because you said I sent a birthday card. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>here's the freaking card. Okay, Well yeah, but you know,

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<v Speaker 7>but I'm still suing you. It's like, I mean, there's uh,

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<v Speaker 7>this is called slapsuits.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the it's an actatategic.

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<v Speaker 7>Lawsuit against public participation, I think is how the acronym goes.

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<v Speaker 7>But Trump has done that so much. Oh yeah, and

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<v Speaker 7>so I mean, uh, okay, I mean one of the

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01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:10.760
<v Speaker 7>things was most the soundings is that I think Trump

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<v Speaker 7>was suing sixty minutes because of how they edited an

1981
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<v Speaker 7>interview with Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 7>And and you had you had the White House Cress

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01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:25.079
<v Speaker 7>sectory threatening a massive lawsuit. If was that CBS did

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<v Speaker 7>any editing of Trump's uh, Trump's interview or with them recently.

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<v Speaker 7>It's kind of like, so editing is now a crime

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<v Speaker 7>or what?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't do any editing. Yeah, everybody has to do editing.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, the.

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<v Speaker 3>You got a time you got to fit this into.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, I mean, if I Trump was sparded, he

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01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:50.199
<v Speaker 7>would realize he needs an editor as much as anybody

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<v Speaker 7>his good lord, he I mean, you know, going on

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<v Speaker 7>for two hours, it's like he's inspired by Fidel Castro.

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<v Speaker 3>That's absolutely right. Yeah, so you got your ticket yet

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01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:05.840
<v Speaker 3>for the Millennia premiere that's going to be today, So

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01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:08.680
<v Speaker 3>buy a ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have a private screening because you'll be the

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<v Speaker 2>only person in the theater.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, this is this is gonna be interesting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>I hope that there's not a war to distract how

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<v Speaker 7>the movie does badly.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's kind of interesting. You know, we're talking about

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01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the law suits about don't talk about me and Jeffrey

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01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Epstein things like that, because they threatened a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people Milania did with lawsuits, as well as Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's gonna be kind of interesting what

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<v Speaker 2>happens with Michael wolf because they had threats of lawsuits

2010
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<v Speaker 2>for people who are repeating what Michael Wolfe had said,

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01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:46.960
<v Speaker 2>essentially that about Jeffrey Epstein, and I thought, well, why

2012
01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>don't they sue him. He's the one who is a

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<v Speaker 2>source of information. So they threatened him with that, and

2014
01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:55.520
<v Speaker 2>he said, Okay, that's it, I'm going to sue you.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's kind of kicked that off. It'll be interesting

2016
01:49:57.479 --> 01:49:59.680
<v Speaker 2>to see how that develops. I think we'll get more

2017
01:49:59.800 --> 01:50:02.119
<v Speaker 2>from out of that. Then we will out of any

2018
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<v Speaker 2>of the Epstein documents that are setting on Pam Bondi's

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<v Speaker 2>desk purportedly.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's just it's it's so brazen that the Trump

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01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:14.800
<v Speaker 7>folks have got total contempt for disclosure, contempt for federal law,

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01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:18.399
<v Speaker 7>contempt for their president's own promises, and the top law

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01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:23.399
<v Speaker 7>enforcement officials promising, and it's like, Okay, it's almost as

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<v Speaker 7>if they have decided that they don't need any credibility

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<v Speaker 7>with most Americans and almost all the media because they're

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01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:34.279
<v Speaker 7>so powerful, they're so wonderful, or that they can get

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<v Speaker 7>away with anything. So it's that's Nixon like in a way,

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<v Speaker 7>as you said earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you kind of got to start with Roger Stone,

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01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:45.920
<v Speaker 2>who's got a tattoo of Nixon on his back.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's one of the things though thought was me.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked there at Info Wars for a while, and

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01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, Rogers got that tattoo of Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 3>How does that square with the idea of being libertarian?

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<v Speaker 3>I never could figure that one out.

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<v Speaker 7>So well, yeah, I mean it's I won't I will

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<v Speaker 7>not ask you any questions about a former employer in

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<v Speaker 7>his position on the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, exactly, Alex Jones, It's been disgraceful.

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<v Speaker 3>I tweeted about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of people angry at me because

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<v Speaker 2>one I said, I said, I can't believe I ever

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<v Speaker 2>worked for this guy, but he completely flipped on the

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<v Speaker 2>police state. I mean he did documentary after documentary about

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<v Speaker 2>now he is all cheering it, you know, as as

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<v Speaker 2>well as foreign warriors. I mean, he's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>money talks, I guess, and we can kind of assume

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<v Speaker 2>who's paying him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. Wow, it's truly amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, I might pay off his next libel lawsuit losing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jim is great talking to you as always, And

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<v Speaker 2>again the book is last, right, so that's your most

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<v Speaker 2>recent one, and people get that anywhere books are sold,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, and they can find your your website which

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<v Speaker 2>will have I guess links to any of the articles

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<v Speaker 2>that since you write for so many different outlets, they

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01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>can go to Jim Bovar and find your op ed

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<v Speaker 2>pieces there in your articles. That's the best place for

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<v Speaker 2>them to find you.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, Hey, thanks so much for having me on,

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for your kind words, and thanks for keeping up

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<v Speaker 7>the fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you and thank you for all the work

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<v Speaker 2>in the research that you have turned up. I've done

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<v Speaker 2>some very valuable research with that. Thank you, Jim, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a good day. Well that's it for today's broadcast.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my grandson here and we're going to all

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<v Speaker 2>try to stay warm. He's got a special penguin suit here.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank everybody who has supported us this month.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about seventy five percent. But we're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>buy this afternoon Friday and check the po box again

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<v Speaker 2>and we will update the gas gauge to let you

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<v Speaker 2>know where we wound up. But like Aaron, I see yah.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you so much for joining us. Have a

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<v Speaker 2>great weekend, and again, be careful with all the ice.

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<v Speaker 2>I the common man. They created common Core and dumbed

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<v Speaker 2>down our children. They created common Past to track and

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<v Speaker 2>control us. Their Commons project to make sure the commoners

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<v Speaker 2>own nothing and the communist future. They see the common

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<v Speaker 2>man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary. But each of us has

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<v Speaker 2>worth and dignity created in the image of God. That

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<v Speaker 2>is what we have in common. That is what they

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<v Speaker 2>want to take away. Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.

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<v Speaker 2>They desire to know everything about us, while they hide

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<v Speaker 2>everything from us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's time to turn that around.

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<v Speaker 2>And expose what they want to hide. Please share the

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