Speaker 1: You know the world of deceit. Telling the truth is
Speaker 1: a revolutionary act. It's the David Knight Show.
Speaker 2: As a clock strikes thirteen, it's Friday, the thirtieth of January.
Speaker 2: You're of our Lord, twenty twenty six. Well, let's hope
Speaker 2: that this weekend we don't have an Iranian war started, because,
Speaker 2: as Jeryl Slenty pointed out, Trump loves to kick these
Speaker 2: things off on the weekend, and things are stacking up
Speaker 2: that way. There's a lot of things that he doesn't
Speaker 2: want us to see. One of the things he doesn't
Speaker 2: want us to see, that's what is going on in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: There was a tremendous pushback against Jim Bouvard for a
Speaker 2: tweet that he put out comparing what happened in Minnesota
Speaker 2: to Ruby Ridge. And if you don't remember that history,
Speaker 2: I think you'll find this very interesting. Whether you remember
Speaker 2: it or not. There's a lot of details that many
Speaker 2: people have forgotten and a lot of parallels to what
Speaker 2: has happen in terms of abuse of federal law enforcement.
Speaker 2: We're also going to have the CEO of a company
Speaker 2: called Securit who's going to join us. They have a
Speaker 2: different approach to gun safety and to gun personal security,
Speaker 2: and so we're going to talk about that. I think
Speaker 2: you'll find that very informative, a tactical approach to storing
Speaker 2: and using your gun. So we're going to have both
Speaker 2: of them, and we're going to begin with something I
Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to talk about yesterday, which is
Speaker 2: the new RICO lawsuit that has been filed against the
Speaker 2: American Academy of Pediatricians and the CDC.
Speaker 3: That'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Well, a couple of lawsuits have been filed by the
Speaker 2: Children's Health Defense and by another organization accusing the American
Speaker 2: Academy of Pediatricians as well as the CDC of conspiring
Speaker 2: on the vaccine schedule to the harm of children. Now,
Speaker 2: anybody who's been following this knows that that's the case,
Speaker 2: but it's a RICO lawsuit because it is a vast
Speaker 2: fraudulent conspiracy. We've all heard the phrase that if you're
Speaker 2: in academia, you publish or you perish, except that the
Speaker 2: problem here is that if you do research and you
Speaker 2: publish that you get punished by the CDC and by
Speaker 2: the AAP. In January twenty first, the Children's Health Defense
Speaker 2: filed a sweeping Racketeering, Influence and Corrupt Organization lawsuit against AAP. Now,
Speaker 2: these are the RICO statutes that are out there, and
Speaker 2: the RICO lawsuits are there, and I have spoken out
Speaker 2: against them in terms of tactics used by the government
Speaker 2: to basically punish people before they're found guilty. It's an issue,
Speaker 2: but in this particular case, this is a civil lawsuit.
Speaker 2: It's a different type of thing, and I think this
Speaker 2: would be a very good case for the public because
Speaker 2: it's going to air a lot of this dirty criminal
Speaker 2: laundry from the pediatrician as well as the pharmaceutical companies
Speaker 2: and the insurance companies who are all a part of this.
Speaker 2: It's a vast criminal conspiracy. RICO statutes in general, they
Speaker 2: were there because they wanted to come after organized crime.
Speaker 2: They found that organized crime had tremendous financial resources and
Speaker 2: they could hire the best lawyers who could get them
Speaker 2: out of these types of situations. So the response was
Speaker 2: to say, well, we are going to take their money
Speaker 2: first and then we'll have the trial. And so you would,
Speaker 2: you would make an indictment against them, but before they
Speaker 2: were found guilty, you basically punish them by taking away
Speaker 2: their money. That evolved into civil asset forfeiture, which is
Speaker 2: basically not even coming up with an indictment or charge
Speaker 2: against people, but taking their property anyway charging the property
Speaker 2: with a crime. And so we've seen the abuse of
Speaker 2: RICO statute in many different areas. But again, I think
Speaker 2: that in this civil lawsuit like this, it does get
Speaker 2: to the heart of a racketeering and corrupt organization conspiracy
Speaker 2: that is there. So what they're talking about here is
Speaker 2: the fact that you've had some of the people who
Speaker 2: are involved in this not on the CDC side, but
Speaker 2: on the other side. These are people who have had
Speaker 2: their medical licenses revoked because of research that they published.
Speaker 2: This is how you understand that it's a criminal organization.
Speaker 2: When they start trying to cover up the information. They
Speaker 2: hide and conceal information. Whether it's about climate science or
Speaker 2: whether it's about the actions of the Department of Justice
Speaker 2: or whatever. The criminals are always going to lie and
Speaker 2: to cover up the data. That is a hallmark of
Speaker 2: all this stuff. One of the key things I think
Speaker 2: we want to focus on, though, is the way that
Speaker 2: this actually works. We have seen many people who have
Speaker 2: been punished when they speak out against the vaccine schedule
Speaker 2: we have seen the difference the harm that is done
Speaker 2: in America versus other countries that don't have that, especially
Speaker 2: versus let's say, the Amish who don't follow this vaccine schedule.
Speaker 2: But we understand that it's about profit. We understand it's
Speaker 2: a collusion between the pharmaceutical industries and the CDC, one
Speaker 2: of the biggest sellers of vaccines, and that type of thing.
Speaker 2: But even going back to the nineteen eighty six Act
Speaker 2: that Fauci shepherded through with Ronald Reagan, where they thick
Speaker 2: away liability for vaccines, for childhood vaccines, they were supposed
Speaker 2: to every two years produce safety results. So it came
Speaker 2: out of the var's database. They've not published a single
Speaker 2: one for nearly forty years now, and so that is
Speaker 2: a part of the allegations. But in terms of how
Speaker 2: this actually operates, it's interesting to go back and look
Speaker 2: at what the immune system, what actually happens the immune
Speaker 2: system was so many of these vaccines given collectively in clusters.
Speaker 2: As they say on Malone News, it's immune dysregulation is
Speaker 2: a mechanism of how it harms children. Vaccines are intended
Speaker 2: to train the immune system, they say, except when they've
Speaker 2: got a different agenda. It doesn't make any sense to
Speaker 2: say that the vaccines are going to train the immune
Speaker 2: system and then say that a disease is not going
Speaker 2: to train the immune system. This is a problem with virology.
Speaker 2: And as the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies are freaking
Speaker 2: out about people pushing back against the vaccine schedule, they
Speaker 2: blame it all on RK. Junior, except he's been saying
Speaker 2: this for a very long time. The reality is that
Speaker 2: people have seen the lies and the fraud associated with
Speaker 2: the COVID so called pandemic, and that is really the
Speaker 2: heart of this. And one of the things that we
Speaker 2: saw were pronouncements by Fauci saying, you can't get immunity
Speaker 2: from having the disease, you have to get it from
Speaker 2: the vaccine or it doesn't work. Well, that doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. If the purpose of the vaccine is to
Speaker 2: train your immune system to handle the real disease, well,
Speaker 2: if you have survived the real disease, then you don't
Speaker 2: need to have the vaccine. And so this is the
Speaker 2: argument that Ran Paul had with Fauci. But again, as
Speaker 2: I started looking at these inconsistencies, it's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why I've arrived at the point where I'm no
Speaker 2: longer anti vaccine, I'm anti virology. It's not a science,
Speaker 2: it's a tool of control and manipulation and propaganda because
Speaker 2: it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Hold together at all.
Speaker 2: However, if you look at the analogy of how this
Speaker 2: damages people in immune dysregulation, the example that malone malone
Speaker 2: dot News gives so is imagine the immune system as
Speaker 2: well organized beehive where each b knows its role. You
Speaker 2: can recognize, response, respond, and do various things. But vaccination
Speaker 2: would be essentially like kicking the beehive repeat while wearing
Speaker 2: a disguise. The hive doesn't get smarter, it gets chaotic,
Speaker 2: it gets aggressive, it gets confused. Soon the bees start
Speaker 2: stinging anything that moves, including the queen, the worker bees,
Speaker 2: even the hive itself. And there's no assurance of targeted recognition,
Speaker 2: only widespread inflammation, panic, and self harm. And that's basically
Speaker 2: what happens with today's autoimmune epidemics that we see happening asthma, ezema,
Speaker 2: food allergies, type one diabetes, things like rheumatoid arthritis. This
Speaker 2: is the mechanism that is happening. This shock to the
Speaker 2: immune system, confusing it, causing it to attack everything, even
Speaker 2: parts of your body. So the immune system is being
Speaker 2: artificially shaped in a way that many predisposed entire generations
Speaker 2: to chronic disease. Instead of immune education, we may be
Speaker 2: witnessing immune miseducation with devastating lifelong consequences. And so it
Speaker 2: is the things that we see in terms of these adjuvants,
Speaker 2: these neurotoxins like aluminum and mercury, also known as thimerosol,
Speaker 2: which is still being put into the vaccines. I remember
Speaker 2: a decade ago when we were talking about thymerosol. Well,
Speaker 2: we don't put that in vaccines anymore. Well, yes they do.
Speaker 2: They still put it in a lot of the flu vaccines,
Speaker 2: the ones that are put together as a collective group.
Speaker 2: Instead of a single dose, they have multiple doses. Those
Speaker 2: have thymerasol in them as a preservative, a known neurotoxin.
Speaker 2: Same thing with aluminum. And so if you remember, we
Speaker 2: were told by Alex Shones, the vaccine that Trump is
Speaker 2: doing is not like Bill Gates's vaccine.
Speaker 3: It's just sugar water. And come on, you can.
Speaker 2: Take a little bit of mercury and aluminum injected directly
Speaker 2: into your veins. That's not a problem. You can do
Speaker 2: that for Trump. Just to inject the sugar water kool aid, Well,
Speaker 2: that's not the way it works. Meanwhile, when we look
Speaker 2: at where they want to go with the RNA vaccines,
Speaker 2: we have seen Donald Trump on his very first day
Speaker 2: when he returned to the mRNA vaccines and he tried
Speaker 2: to combine that. Wants to combine that as part of
Speaker 2: this Stargate operation that he had Larry Ellison give a
Speaker 2: presentation for what they want to do is combine AI
Speaker 2: with mRNA vaccines to create a new level of genetic
Speaker 2: code injections. And it's not just Donald Trump, it's also
Speaker 2: people like jd Vance and Vivate, the Snake Rama, Slimy.
Speaker 2: They are also investing in companies that do self amplifying mRNA.
Speaker 2: They are giving doses, lethal doses of synthetic viral material
Speaker 2: containing artificial DNA sequences forced into animals using lipid nanoparticles,
Speaker 2: all the same things that we saw with the Trump
Speaker 2: shot that he is so proud of being the father of.
Speaker 2: But they also include with us now electrical pulses. The
Speaker 2: aim of the research is to develop replican mRNA vaccines
Speaker 2: and treatment strategies, but alarmingly the work is being partially
Speaker 2: funded by the US Defense establishment, the usual suspects, and
Speaker 2: the purpose why would they want to self amplify these
Speaker 2: genetic code injections, Well, for the purpose of getting this
Speaker 2: into people who are not taking the vaccine. They want
Speaker 2: to get it larger and have it spread without being
Speaker 2: able without having to wait for people to take the
Speaker 2: vaccine voluntarily. That is what is so subversive about all this.
Speaker 2: And of course again the connection to the US military
Speaker 2: industrial complex, which Trump at Davos just proudly admitted that
Speaker 2: Operation Warp Speed was a military operation. In case you
Speaker 2: hadn't noticed by now, Well, we're going to take a
Speaker 2: quick break and when we come back, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk to the CEO of a company called secure It.
Speaker 2: And they have a different approach to securing your guns
Speaker 2: as well as making them actually more readily available to
Speaker 2: you in various places. And so it's a tactical approach
Speaker 2: and I think you'll find it interesting. There's I think
Speaker 2: things that anybody who has a gun should think about
Speaker 2: as well, as you know, what do you train, how
Speaker 2: do you train with it? And where do you store it.
Speaker 2: These are all important issues for anybody who wants to
Speaker 2: try to defend themselves and their family. We're going to
Speaker 2: take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 4: Us defending the American dream. You're listening to the David
Speaker 4: Knight Show.
Speaker 2: Joining us now is Tom Kubanak, and he is the
Speaker 2: CEO of a company called secure It. They have been
Speaker 2: a military contractor in the past, but now it's about
Speaker 2: eighty seven percent, he said, is a consumer market. It's
Speaker 2: a product that you might be interested in. If you've
Speaker 2: got a firearm, you want to be able to secure it,
Speaker 2: have a rapid access gun safe type of thing. But
Speaker 2: we want to talk about Second Amendment issues. It's very timely,
Speaker 2: I think, with what is happening right now, and so
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the gun culture, second Amendment
Speaker 2: in general. And so joining us now is Tom Kubanik.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much for the opportunity. I'm looking
Speaker 5: forward to the conversation.
Speaker 2: And well, it really has been over this last weekend
Speaker 2: people have been talking about Second Amendment rights and the
Speaker 2: gun culture from a variety at different angles. Is really
Speaker 2: put at front and center with the shooting in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: and so we've seen some surprising statements from people that
Speaker 2: are Republicans, people that are supposed to be allies to
Speaker 2: the to the gun issue, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be carrying a gun. Things that look like
Speaker 2: their perspective is that makes you instantly dangerous and a suspect.
Speaker 2: What do you think is the really the threat and
Speaker 2: what direction is it coming to us in terms of
Speaker 2: the individual liberty and the God given right of self defense?
Speaker 2: What's your perspective on that.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's really there's always the forces. There are
Speaker 5: always the forces working to eliminate this right, and they
Speaker 5: will seize on every opportunity to steer and manipulate and
Speaker 5: whatever they can.
Speaker 6: But as you said, there's a lot of very.
Speaker 5: Much pro to A people who are now making statements
Speaker 5: that would call into question like wait a minute, what
Speaker 5: is your position? And I think a lot of that
Speaker 5: is driven, I mean a if they're politically connected, they
Speaker 5: want to be within a narrow realm of acceptable talking
Speaker 5: points without you know, alienating their base.
Speaker 3: But it's yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Second Amendment sits you know, as an icons as one
Speaker 5: of ours. It's a fundamental right of this country, of
Speaker 5: our of citizens. And that means it doesn't matter, you know,
Speaker 5: how bad a situations, it doesn't matter politically correct in
Speaker 5: buto the you know, the horrible nature of what unfolded
Speaker 5: is I mean, it's a travesty what happened. And I
Speaker 5: don't want to I can't get too detailed into the
Speaker 5: house and whis because you know, we don't know yet
Speaker 5: exactly they're going to dig into this thing and pull
Speaker 5: it apart. But regardless of what happened, the Second Amendment
Speaker 5: is still stands for what it is, and we have
Speaker 5: the right to carry, we have a right to own
Speaker 5: and have firearms, and that right should have no bearing,
Speaker 5: no impact on the events that unfolded other than there
Speaker 5: was a gentleman who was exercising a right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we see this.
Speaker 2: A lot of people talk about the fact that in
Speaker 2: order for the general public at large to understand what
Speaker 2: is involved here, they need to have some contact with guns.
Speaker 2: I don't know your background in terms of your contact
Speaker 2: with guns and how long that's been around, assuming that
Speaker 2: it's been a very long time, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people have hardened positions because they're not really a part
Speaker 2: of that culture. They don't know anything about guns, they
Speaker 2: haven't used them. But we're living in a time where
Speaker 2: individual liberty is pretty much despised in all different areas.
Speaker 2: I mean, almost everybody has driven a car in the society,
Speaker 2: and yet we see a lot of contempt for the
Speaker 2: right to be able to travel freely. We just had
Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans voted against the idea that we're
Speaker 2: going to stop this kill switch that's been mandated, you know,
Speaker 2: so they want to get a lot of Republicans who
Speaker 2: and pretty much nearly all the Democrats who said that
Speaker 2: the government should be able to shut down your car
Speaker 2: independent of you. We should have some device somehow that's
Speaker 2: going to be on the car that's going to decide
Speaker 2: whether or not you should be allowed to drive and
Speaker 2: then shut it down. We've seen different things like that
Speaker 2: proposed for safety in terms of smart guns and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Well, we're going to have a smart car
Speaker 2: that's going to decide whether or not you're.
Speaker 3: Allowed to use it.
Speaker 2: And so, even though people had a lot of experience
Speaker 2: driving cars, being passengers and cars and know the car
Speaker 2: culture here in America, there's still a real uneasiness about
Speaker 2: car ownership and operation. So of course we're going to
Speaker 2: see that with the gun culture, aren't we Absolutely.
Speaker 5: It's you know, the car thing is really strange that
Speaker 5: the people are supporting this, and I'm surprised there's not
Speaker 5: a bigger outrage because no, there is. There is no
Speaker 5: right to own or drive a car in our constitution. However,
Speaker 5: the concept of a car didn't exist when everything was drafted,
Speaker 5: and we do have a right to move about in
Speaker 5: our country. We do have a right to you know,
Speaker 5: we're self directed. We have the freedom to do what
Speaker 5: we want to do as long as we're not violating
Speaker 5: someone else's constitutional rights. So you could simply, very easily
Speaker 5: draw a conclusion that, you know, these rights we have.
Speaker 5: The car is simply a vehicle to exercise our rights.
Speaker 5: It's a very accepted it's the standard way with in
Speaker 5: which we Americans move around. The government's going to come
Speaker 5: in and say, oh wait, we're gonna be able to
Speaker 5: shut off a right. We're going to because you're not Yes,
Speaker 5: you're stopping a car, but you're shutting down someone's ability
Speaker 5: to move about freely.
Speaker 6: And you can't argue that, well.
Speaker 5: You still have that a right. You don't need a car, Well,
Speaker 5: in our world. I mean, anybody knows if all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, unless you live in a handful of big
Speaker 5: cities with public transportation, that you feel safe riding a
Speaker 5: cousin football case, well it is, but it's again. I
Speaker 5: had a son who lived in New York with the
Speaker 5: school there, and he was never going to own a
Speaker 5: car in New York.
Speaker 6: It makes no sense.
Speaker 5: But I live in a small town. And if you
Speaker 5: don't have a car, that is a that's that's a
Speaker 5: punished that's a sentence that you are now confined, you're
Speaker 5: not moving around.
Speaker 6: It's just it's that.
Speaker 5: Critical to our ability to move about freely in our country.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: And of course the drafters of the Constitution understood that
Speaker 2: the Bill Rights is not giving us rights, and our
Speaker 2: rights come from God. What they were doing was enumerating
Speaker 2: certain ones that they knew that we'd be attacked at first,
Speaker 2: But they made it clear that if we didn't mention,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that we don't have that right.
Speaker 3: We haven't surrendered anything to you.
Speaker 2: And that really is the case when we look at
Speaker 2: their intrusion into our personal papers. They don't have to
Speaker 2: send a they don't have to send an officer around
Speaker 2: to rummage through our desks anymore. They can do it
Speaker 2: remotely through our devices, and they can get into our
Speaker 2: personal papers and all these other things like that. So
Speaker 2: it really is we're the point where people don't understand
Speaker 2: why we have these prohibitions against actions by government infringing
Speaker 2: on our individual liberty. And they don't value these things
Speaker 2: because they've always had them and they take them for granted.
Speaker 2: And we're on the cusp of losing so many of
Speaker 2: our liberties, I think, and so the Second Amendment is
Speaker 2: just one of those, and it's the one that they've
Speaker 2: been coming after for the longest time.
Speaker 5: I think, I think you're I mean, it is, but
Speaker 5: the fact that it is, I don't know if the
Speaker 5: word is brilliantly worded, but it's so well worded in
Speaker 5: our constitution. Again and you said, this is not a
Speaker 5: right that is given. The right is is implied that
Speaker 5: the right is at birth. It simply says the government
Speaker 5: is not going to infringe on this right. So and
Speaker 5: that is very carefully worded in our favor. And as
Speaker 5: you just mentioned, though, what we're seeing happening and a
Speaker 5: lot of people are unaware of it, it's everything else,
Speaker 5: it's this chipping away of our individuality and you know,
Speaker 5: working us towards what was a what did the new
Speaker 5: head of New York City about collectivism? This idea that
Speaker 5: we're not individuals, it's the collective and the collective whole
Speaker 5: will benefit if we have if the government has these powers.
Speaker 6: Well, that's there's no.
Speaker 5: World where I could ever imagine that somehow we benefit
Speaker 5: because the government has a massive power to limit our capabilities.
Speaker 5: I don't care what that capability is. It's just that's
Speaker 5: not who we are. We we have Again, they're not
Speaker 5: our leaders. They are simply our representatives. Yeah, and when
Speaker 5: they start acting like leaders and thinking they're in charge,
Speaker 5: that's that should be red flags going up all over
Speaker 5: the place.
Speaker 2: And of course history shows just the opposite happens. You know,
Speaker 2: when you turn over all powers to the government. So
Speaker 2: you know, what do we do? What is real security?
Speaker 2: And how you know from your perspective in terms of
Speaker 2: what you make available to people, in terms of the organizations.
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about your corporation, how you
Speaker 2: got involved in it?
Speaker 6: Well, secure it. We are the global leader and military
Speaker 6: weapons storage.
Speaker 5: We build armories all over the world, and now we
Speaker 5: are in consumer products with fast access gun safes. Our
Speaker 5: methodology is a little different than in the consumer retail space.
Speaker 5: We're the only company that you know we come from
Speaker 5: a military background. We look at firearms and firearms security
Speaker 5: and safes and things like that from from the perspective
Speaker 5: of why does someone own a firearm, and that storage
Speaker 5: has to be conducive with why you own the gun.
Speaker 5: To that end, you know, everything we produce is smaller, modular, lightweight,
Speaker 5: affordable and easy, easy to live with. The idea of
Speaker 5: a great, big, heavy, you know, metal box full of
Speaker 5: drywall in your basement is just it's it's there's a
Speaker 5: reason so many guns in America are unsecured. And I
Speaker 5: talk to a lot of people and they all have
Speaker 5: the same statements, Oh yeah, I've got a gun safe
Speaker 5: my basement, but for personal protection, I keep one next
Speaker 5: to my bed, I keep one here, I keep one there.
Speaker 5: And yes, you have that right. But when you look
Speaker 5: at the data of the number of tragedies accidental that
Speaker 5: things that happen annually in this country that could be
Speaker 5: prevented very simply by simply providing a simple barrier between kids,
Speaker 5: between unwanted people and your firearms. It seems like a
Speaker 5: no brainer to us. And now you know we're at
Speaker 5: a point. With fast access gun safes, we can easily
Speaker 5: demonstrate that it's faster to have your gun locked in
Speaker 5: a fast access safe than to have it in a
Speaker 5: closet leaning in the corner of a room. I can
Speaker 5: demonstrate that my access in my home. You you come
Speaker 5: into my home, you would never know I own firearms.
Speaker 5: Yet Yeah, I'm never more than two and a half
Speaker 5: seconds away from being armed if I may. If I'm
Speaker 5: at my closet or at one of my locations, I
Speaker 5: can be less than a second. I also, you know,
Speaker 5: as you owner of the company, I'm trying to prove
Speaker 5: a point. I practice access. I make sure that I'm
Speaker 5: on top of what I'm doing, but that you know,
Speaker 5: one of our missions is to make sure every gun
Speaker 5: in America is properly secured, and proper is defined by
Speaker 5: out of sight. And you know, if you've got little
Speaker 5: kids in your home, they don't need to know. And
Speaker 5: once they're old enough to understand, well, then they should
Speaker 5: go to that. You should teach them, train them and
Speaker 5: have them be very proficient with firearms. The more proficient
Speaker 5: people are a firearms the safer we all are.
Speaker 7: So it's.
Speaker 3: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're the point where one of the reasons
Speaker 2: I went to talk to he is because we're at
Speaker 2: the point right now in our family. We have my
Speaker 2: son has got a young toddler, he's just starting to walk,
Speaker 2: and so we've got to make sure that we've got
Speaker 2: everything secure for him. Absolutely, And you know, he's had
Speaker 2: a very vulnerable age right now. Of course, you know,
Speaker 2: you never know what he's going to do with anything.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the strength to pull the trigger, but
Speaker 2: who knows what he would do. So we've got to
Speaker 2: have this stuff secured. And that's that's a key thing.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely key thing.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 5: And I read and people send to me data all
Speaker 5: the time and informous stories about accidental access to firearms.
Speaker 5: And you know, with with young boys, it's a I
Speaker 5: don't want to sound I mean, it's more of a boy.
Speaker 6: Thing than a girl thing.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, you train sets.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 5: We had give hit a stick and he he ammasiately
Speaker 5: points a stick and shoots it.
Speaker 3: That was right.
Speaker 2: We had a friend who she was very much did
Speaker 2: not like the gun culture and everything, and she had
Speaker 2: a young son, and she said, I finally realized that
Speaker 2: it's just an eight. She said, Look, I kept guns
Speaker 2: away from give him any toy guns, and I look
Speaker 2: out and he's got a stick and he's going to
Speaker 2: poop you out in the car with a stick. So
Speaker 2: you know, they know, and uh, and they're gonna they're
Speaker 2: just wired for that. And so yeah, we have to
Speaker 2: make sure we take the proper precautions with all that.
Speaker 2: That's a key part of it, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 6: And educate.
Speaker 5: Mean, I get the argument not to have to have
Speaker 5: a gun unsecured, and it's an old argument, but it's
Speaker 5: based on old thinking. And when you look at what's
Speaker 5: available now, there's no reason not to. There's no reason
Speaker 5: not to have every single firearm properly secured. We've developed
Speaker 5: what we call the principles of decentralized storage, and that's
Speaker 5: really looking at your home the way I would look
Speaker 5: at a like a reactionary force in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 5: You're trying to defend a like a base or a
Speaker 5: embassy security force. How are we going to locate and
Speaker 5: deploy fire in your weapons to make this place secure? Well,
Speaker 5: look at your home the same way, we publish a
Speaker 5: lot of information on this because the safest, most secure
Speaker 5: locations in your home to store and secure firearms are
Speaker 5: also the best locations to give you a tactical advantage
Speaker 5: in the event of a break in, a home invasion,
Speaker 5: or in some way that you're being threatened in your
Speaker 5: home or in your car.
Speaker 3: That's very, very important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, you know, what do we do to get
Speaker 2: people to to understand the gun culture and what kind
Speaker 2: of messaging do we have to worry about inside of
Speaker 2: the people who understand the importance of guns, But in
Speaker 2: terms of the way that we talk about it.
Speaker 5: You know, I think intelligent conversation is better than rhetoric.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of rhetoric on both sides of
Speaker 5: this conversation. And it's my hope that on the firearms side,
Speaker 5: on the side of two A, that people think a
Speaker 5: little bit and then speak and speak intelligently. You know,
Speaker 5: the Constitution is on our side. We don't need to
Speaker 5: have a loud, difficult, yelling conversation about firearms. We simply
Speaker 5: need to express what the Constitution gives us and what
Speaker 5: we have and what it protects, and then just talk
Speaker 5: about the advantages of firearms ownership. And I think a
Speaker 5: big part of that advantage is training, is understanding simply
Speaker 5: buying a firearm does not make you more secure. Taking
Speaker 5: the time to get training, taking the time to practice
Speaker 5: that does. And I got real, I mean real quick story.
Speaker 5: I thought it was such a huge win for the
Speaker 5: Second Amendment. We worked with a software developer several years ago.
Speaker 5: He was out of California, very liberal. In fact, he
Speaker 5: questioned working with us because we were in the firearms industry, and.
Speaker 6: He was very up upfront about it.
Speaker 5: He just said, guys, look, i'm a little uncomfortable. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be honest with you. I'm not a support of
Speaker 5: the Second Amendment. I'm a little uncomfortable the idea of
Speaker 5: working for you.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 5: I simply said, look, I understand our mission is to
Speaker 5: make sure every gun in America is properly secured. If
Speaker 5: I achieved my mission, do you feel safer? And he
Speaker 5: agreed with me. So we started working together. And this
Speaker 5: was right when the defund police all started happening, and
Speaker 5: he was fairly close to some pretty bad events and
Speaker 5: he was nervous about it, and he went out and
Speaker 5: he bought a handgun and he talked about it. I said, look,
Speaker 5: getting the handgun is not going.
Speaker 6: To help you. You need to take good.
Speaker 5: Training, find a good instructor, find when you're comfortable with,
Speaker 5: work with them on a fairly regular basis for the
Speaker 5: first couple of months. You need to make sure if
Speaker 5: you're going to own a firearm, you get to the
Speaker 5: range at least once a month. And he said it's
Speaker 5: a commitment. And he said okay, and was fascinating. Months
Speaker 5: later he called me he said, Tom, I got to
Speaker 5: tell you something.
Speaker 6: I love this.
Speaker 5: I'm not shooting, he's now shooting. He was getting into
Speaker 5: a class. Then he was joining a club where they
Speaker 5: were doing competition handgun competitions. About four months into this
Speaker 5: he called me. He said, Tom, I'm going to buy
Speaker 5: an AAR fifteen.
Speaker 6: And I said, really, he.
Speaker 5: Goes, I just I'm watching, you know what these guys
Speaker 5: can do with the rifles, as it's the safest gun
Speaker 5: that I can own in my home, which I agree with,
Speaker 5: properly owned, properly trained a person at the air fifteen.
Speaker 5: There's no safer rifle in America. And he is a
Speaker 5: ultraliberal computer programmer guy who now is as a second
Speaker 5: Amendment supporter, and I just watched it unfold. He felt threatened,
Speaker 5: he felt alone. His vision that law enforcement is there
Speaker 5: to protect me fell apart in the defund the defund
Speaker 5: police mode, and all of a sudden, he realized, the
Speaker 5: only thing keeping me safe is luck that they don't
Speaker 5: happen to come the mob in the street doesn't happen
Speaker 5: to come into my home. And he viewed it was
Speaker 5: kind of a wake up call for him, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, he did the proper steps, and I
Speaker 5: commend him for doing it properly. He now owns firearms.
Speaker 5: He's in a very good position to defend himself and
Speaker 5: his neighbors. I'm sure his friends and his groups have
Speaker 5: no idea he fire arms, but it's.
Speaker 2: People have to think about that, and they have to
Speaker 2: I've interviewed a guy a couple of times from South
Speaker 2: Africa and he was a missionary and he had considraencies.
Speaker 2: I don't think I should own a firearm, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't have any interest. I don't think I could
Speaker 2: shoot somebody or shoot at somebody. And yet there was
Speaker 2: a lot of violence in South Africa at the time,
Speaker 2: and so he said he saw people that were innocent
Speaker 2: being shot, and he said, I realized then that I
Speaker 2: have an obligation to protect innocent life, including my own.
Speaker 2: And so he got a gun and he trained on it,
Speaker 2: and he only had a five shot revolver, and he
Speaker 2: was attending a very large church, over a thousand people,
Speaker 2: and he was just visiting it. But they said later
Speaker 2: on during truth and Reconciliation that they had picked that
Speaker 2: church because they didn't figure anybody would be armed. They
Speaker 2: came in the side door throwing grenades and shooting the
Speaker 2: place up of fully automatic weapons. He's way in the
Speaker 2: back with just the revolver, but I'm going to try.
Speaker 2: So he takes a shot, and he thinks, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to hit anything with that. So he ran out
Speaker 2: the side and took some shots from there, and they
Speaker 2: ran off, and they said later on they thought there
Speaker 2: were being attacked from multiple angles. He didn't realize it,
Speaker 2: but his first shot actually hit one of these guys,
Speaker 2: and so you never know in a situation like that.
Speaker 2: Here's one guy with a revolver, five shot evolver, and
Speaker 2: he was able to defend these people. Now when they
Speaker 2: came in throwing grenades and firing automatic weapons. The immediately
Speaker 2: killed about fifty people, but it could have been everybody.
Speaker 2: They were going to kill everyone in that church, and
Speaker 2: he was able to defend that off. So people have
Speaker 2: to go through these decisions again. He had to think
Speaker 2: about this as like, would I be morally justified to
Speaker 2: do this in defense of innocent life? And he got
Speaker 2: the right decision and he learned how to use it
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he had a result.
Speaker 5: It's I always tell people, and I talked to a
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of people on firearms ownership, and
Speaker 5: I say, the decision to buy your first firearm should
Speaker 5: be a life altering decision. You're if you're going to
Speaker 5: own a firearm which you're going to use actively use
Speaker 5: or use for home defense, for personal defense, You're going
Speaker 5: to change your lifestyle going forward. If you're going to carry.
Speaker 5: If your decision is to conceal carry a firearm, you
Speaker 5: will be shooting on a regular basis for the rest
Speaker 5: of your life. I'm very busy executive. I travel a lot,
Speaker 5: and you know I have concealed carry permit, I have
Speaker 5: all the proper everything you need. But there's many times
Speaker 5: in my life I do not carry a firearm because
Speaker 5: if I'm not actively training. For me, it's about decision
Speaker 5: making and if I'm if I've gone a long stint
Speaker 5: where I have not been training, not been shooting, I
Speaker 5: will I'll have it in a backpack, but I will
Speaker 5: not carry on body because I'm not in a position
Speaker 5: to execute that responsibility at that time. That's a decision
Speaker 5: I make, and some people say I'm nuts, but just
Speaker 5: that's just the way I do it. And it also
Speaker 5: encourages me to make sure I block out time to
Speaker 5: work with instructors, to get the reps in, to just
Speaker 5: do everything required. You know, my background was a musician,
Speaker 5: and we practice and rehearsal, practice and rehearsal on It's showtime.
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter if you're nervous, it's showtime.
Speaker 6: That you execute.
Speaker 4: It's the same.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing against the same challenges. It's just
Speaker 5: you've got deadly force. You've got to have it right.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to look at it. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: son says, after the guy gets one, he uses it
Speaker 2: on the range for a while, he realizes it isn't
Speaker 2: the scary, uncontrollable monster that he thought it was. You know,
Speaker 2: so you start to get to realize what it really is.
Speaker 3: It's a tool.
Speaker 2: As you point out, you need to be experienced in
Speaker 2: the use of that tool, needs to be kind of
Speaker 2: second nature. You know, there's a lot of different attacks
Speaker 2: that are coming at us in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3: And of course, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if you saw this or not, but the
Speaker 2: whole three D gun printer thing, which they really are
Speaker 2: upset about. There's a new law that's being pushed out
Speaker 2: in Washington and what they're trying to do is even
Speaker 2: though this has been upheld as a kind of a
Speaker 2: combination of the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, the
Speaker 2: code for printing gun parts was held to be protected
Speaker 2: by the First Amendment by courts. It was challenged by
Speaker 2: Cody Wilson, and they won that fight. So now the
Speaker 2: idea of the state government in Washington State is to
Speaker 2: we're going to intimidate this. We're going to do it
Speaker 2: as a partnership with the printer manufacturers. So in order
Speaker 2: for them to be able to sell the printer manufacturer,
Speaker 2: they're going to have to set up a mechanism whereby
Speaker 2: we can prohibit the printing of anything. And when the
Speaker 2: guy started talking about this, this guy is a three
Speaker 2: D printer guy, and he's not really focused necessarily on
Speaker 2: just printing guns. But when he talked about it, everybody thought, oh,
Speaker 2: you're just talking about printing guns, and we should shut
Speaker 2: that down. He says, no, this is about everything. He says,
Speaker 2: if you're a farmer and you want to print a
Speaker 2: three D part for your tractor, and John Deere says, no,
Speaker 2: that belongs to us. They can prohibit that as well.
Speaker 2: And so when we look at this, there's this massive
Speaker 2: interconnection of freedoms. And once we start to pick and
Speaker 2: choose and micromanage which freedoms are going to be exercised
Speaker 2: and how they're going to be exercised, we all wind
Speaker 2: up losing everything in the end, don't we.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: So it's I find the three D printing. I actually
Speaker 5: follow quite a bit of that at I'm fascinated by
Speaker 5: the technology. I restore old cars as one of my
Speaker 5: that's my therapy. And I've always talked to you about
Speaker 5: there's gonna come a time where you don't buy parts,
Speaker 5: you buy the drawing and you simply print the parts. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and that's that's a long ways down. But printers are
Speaker 5: getting so inexpensive and the technology is getting so cheap,
Speaker 5: but it's it is new.
Speaker 6: And when there's so.
Speaker 5: Many people, such a high percentage of our population that
Speaker 5: is afraid of change, and it doesn't matter what the
Speaker 5: change is, you see resistance to change.
Speaker 6: Yet every morning it's a new day.
Speaker 7: Every day.
Speaker 5: This you know, the secondhand is moving and every moment,
Speaker 5: every every second goes by. Things are changing and advancing.
Speaker 5: We should embrace this technology. It's there's so much good.
Speaker 2: You're talking about our parts, you know, Jay Leno has
Speaker 2: been doing that for a while because he's got these
Speaker 2: very old car cars that he's got and nobody's making
Speaker 2: any parts for them. We're going to see that as
Speaker 2: well for much newer parts because it'll either be the
Speaker 2: situation and where there's not enough of them out there.
Speaker 2: Maybe the government might even prohibit it because they don't
Speaker 2: want you driving the old cars that aren't completely connected
Speaker 2: to their control. So that is also another aspect for
Speaker 2: people to think about. It all comes to the down
Speaker 2: to the point where you know, they always want to
Speaker 2: know everything that we're doing, might manage everything that we're doing,
Speaker 2: and centralized control of everything, and that's seems to be
Speaker 2: the current thread of where everything seems to go and
Speaker 2: that's where the stuff has been coming from for the
Speaker 2: longest time for firearms, you know, centralized and control of
Speaker 2: firearms from Washington and then start shutting them down one
Speaker 2: by one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I'm surprised some of the things that have
Speaker 5: happened recently.
Speaker 6: I live in New York State.
Speaker 5: We have the safe fact where now I have to
Speaker 5: do a background check, a state background check to buy ammunition.
Speaker 5: I don't see. I don't see how this has not
Speaker 5: been thrown out yet. I'm not sure it's been adjudicated.
Speaker 5: It's a crazy rule. I'm limited in terms of magazine size.
Speaker 5: I've I've got my limits. There's a list of guns
Speaker 5: that I simply cannot own in the state. And it's
Speaker 5: an annoyance. I mean it's for me when I look
Speaker 5: at home defense, the actual firearm that I would use
Speaker 5: to defend myself I can legally own. Can I own
Speaker 5: a thirty round magazine?
Speaker 3: I cannot.
Speaker 5: It's a ten round magazine, So that that changes a
Speaker 5: little bit of the aspect of of how you use it.
Speaker 3: But is there a limit on how many magazines you
Speaker 3: can eat? Right now? They just want somebody change out
Speaker 3: to another one.
Speaker 5: But it's it's again, it doesn't matter what the rule is,
Speaker 5: it's that there there's a lot of people within our
Speaker 5: government that just they're going to chip away at any
Speaker 5: anything they can do, and it's just a big pile
Speaker 5: of dirt of freedom in the middle of this room,
Speaker 5: and any bit they can pull into their little bucket
Speaker 5: and eliminate, they're going to do it. And sometimes I've
Speaker 5: seen people like Tom, why why are you taking on
Speaker 5: this fight? This is really stupid, I said. You know,
Speaker 5: I hate to use the term slippery slope. That's overused,
Speaker 5: but yes, sometimes you fight. You fight so hard for
Speaker 5: grains of sand because you're you're stopping something that's going
Speaker 5: to be that could become a tidal wave. And a
Speaker 5: lot of people, I mean, you see it just across
Speaker 5: across the world. A lot of people don't react until
Speaker 5: it hits them personally.
Speaker 6: At that point, they've missed their window.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like Himmingway said, you know the guy who
Speaker 2: went bankrupt that is very rich, that's had had that happen.
Speaker 2: He said, Gradually, then suddenly that's why we have that
Speaker 2: analogy of a slippery slope. You know, that's what happens
Speaker 2: at first, it's just a short little thing, but then
Speaker 2: it really picks up speed and it accelerates. If you
Speaker 2: don't stop the trend, if you don't see the trend
Speaker 2: that's coming.
Speaker 5: No, you can stop a car rolling down hill. If
Speaker 5: the brakes don't work and the car is just starting
Speaker 5: to move, you can stand behind it and stop it.
Speaker 5: Once it's going five miles an hour, you better get
Speaker 5: out of the.
Speaker 6: Way it's going.
Speaker 5: And that's you know, it's it's Uh. We've done a
Speaker 5: good job of stopping these freight trains.
Speaker 6: I really, I mean we've.
Speaker 5: I believe society has done a good job. And I
Speaker 5: think the defund police was a huge as much as
Speaker 5: it just shocked me what was happening. There were more
Speaker 5: two A supporters created when those when those laws, there
Speaker 5: was those I mean laws, it's those those sentiments, Those
Speaker 5: things are being pushed forward in cities like Minneapolis, which
Speaker 5: I used to do a lot of business. There was
Speaker 5: a beautiful city, beautiful downtown. It's never going to recover,
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of people that live there that
Speaker 5: for the first time in their lives woke up saying
Speaker 5: there's nothing preventing chaos from walking into my apartment or
Speaker 5: my condor or my home except luck.
Speaker 6: And I hated.
Speaker 5: I hate to see things like that happen to drive
Speaker 5: support for what I believe in is just the simplest
Speaker 5: way and the best way to live. But we're at
Speaker 5: another point now where you know Trump is a lightning rod.
Speaker 5: Like him, he is a lightning rod personality, and there
Speaker 5: are people that will go against the Second Amendment just
Speaker 5: to smake just just because he's on that side. I
Speaker 5: think it's very short, a very narrow.
Speaker 2: Focus, and he doesn't He's not very comfortable himself with
Speaker 2: it either, because he's never had any experience. I saw
Speaker 2: the interview with Scott Besson and that really got my, uh,
Speaker 2: got my attention over the weekend where he said to
Speaker 2: Jonathan Carl his SoundBite that he came prepared to talk
Speaker 2: about was do you go to a protest with a gun?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 3: Do you do you go to a protest? I kept
Speaker 3: asking a question over going and.
Speaker 2: He kind of got Jonathan Carl to back, now, well,
Speaker 2: I haven't really covered protest as a reporter, and no,
Speaker 2: I haven't carried a gun either. And I thought about that.
Speaker 2: I thought, I bet Scott Besson hasn't carried one. Either
Speaker 2: because he's got an army of people to protect him
Speaker 2: all the time that are armed. That was before he
Speaker 2: got into government, even he was somebody who was very
Speaker 2: very wealthy with George Soros, and he's got his own
Speaker 2: army bodyguards who are armed to protect him.
Speaker 3: He doesn't need that.
Speaker 2: And so you have people who grow up in or
Speaker 2: live in that kind of a scenario. They don't see
Speaker 2: the need for self defense because they've got an army
Speaker 2: of paid people who do it for them. And they
Speaker 2: really can't sympathize with what we're doing, especially if they're
Speaker 2: coming from New York. They spent all their life in
Speaker 2: New York and they ever touched the gun. They really
Speaker 2: don't really understand what's going on with it.
Speaker 5: And they never mean having to show a force the
Speaker 5: guards around you. It's not just that you're protected, it's
Speaker 5: that you'll never even see it. Because the bad characters
Speaker 5: I always equate them to like bullies in school. The
Speaker 5: bad guys aren't looking for a fight. They're looking for
Speaker 5: a pushover, and any any bit of resistance perceived or otherwise,
Speaker 5: they're going to move on. They're not you know, if
Speaker 5: they believe for a minute that you might have a firearm.
Speaker 6: They're not going to bother you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're gonna look, They're gonna look. They want the
Speaker 5: easiest target they're looking for. You know, all these the
Speaker 5: looking for pushovers. And I talk about home defense, and
Speaker 5: I said, guys, all you've got to do is make
Speaker 5: your home look a little more secure than the next
Speaker 5: house down the street, because the robbers, the burglars are
Speaker 5: going to go for the easiest target. And that happens
Speaker 5: in personal safety when you're looking at personal threats against you.
Speaker 5: You know, I just tell you just walk, walk like
Speaker 5: you mean it. When you're walking through an area that
Speaker 5: you're a little concerned to stand up tall bull walk
Speaker 5: with so much purpose, like you're ready to just take
Speaker 5: on the world. Because a bad character is going to
Speaker 5: look and say, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 6: But again, if you're.
Speaker 5: Walking with your shoulders down, slow, your head down, kind
Speaker 5: of plodding along, you just look. I mean, you look
Speaker 5: like an easy mark. Sometimes that's a difference.
Speaker 3: And the you're the weak animal on the edge of
Speaker 3: the herd right there.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, most people I know that shoot and train and
Speaker 5: carry fire firearms, you can just look at them and
Speaker 5: you're not.
Speaker 4: Going to mess with them.
Speaker 6: They're not gonna draw them.
Speaker 5: They're never gonna be in a situation to draw the
Speaker 5: firearm because the fight's not coming to them. The fight's
Speaker 5: going to the weak character. So, you know, the more
Speaker 5: we can do to get people who feel or may
Speaker 5: feel vulnerable to just pause. You don't need to go
Speaker 5: out and buy a firearm. Just go to a training
Speaker 5: center and take a class. They will walk you through everything.
Speaker 5: They'll provide you with a firearm to try and get
Speaker 5: good instruction. Do it properly and see how you feel.
Speaker 5: See if it's for you. You know it's well, tell
Speaker 5: us a little bit about your products.
Speaker 3: You're free to do a commercial here.
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit, tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about how these things operate, and you know what your
Speaker 2: design objectives are for it. And now they maybe or
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of these, I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's your product or not. That you wouldn't know that
Speaker 2: that's the safe. You know, it looks like a bookshelf
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 5: Well, ours ours do look like safes. And what we
Speaker 5: do we take twenty five years of building military armories
Speaker 5: into a line of consumer products. Our safes are smaller
Speaker 5: and they're lightweight, and that's one of the biggest points
Speaker 5: of difference of US gun safes are big heavy boxes
Speaker 5: because they believe when people see heavy, they think security.
Speaker 5: There's nothing. Weight has nothing to do with security. Gun
Speaker 5: safes are breached with a circular saw and a carbide blade.
Speaker 5: If you look at any bit of crime data, they
Speaker 5: simply ignore the locks. They cut a hole in the
Speaker 5: side of the safe. My safes are some you know,
Speaker 5: the same thing can happen, but our safes are small, modular, shallow,
Speaker 5: designed to go into closets, designed to go into discrete locations.
Speaker 5: And then we store firearms per military principles, where it's
Speaker 5: straight line access to every firearm. You open the door
Speaker 5: of my safe and you've got straight line one arm,
Speaker 5: one gun. You're never digging through guns. Everything is. You
Speaker 5: can glance at the safe, you know everything's there. And
Speaker 5: we also integrate gun and gear storage. You know, it's
Speaker 5: a very modular, scalable system. Our gun safes in the
Speaker 5: military are referred to as the Lego and the Tetris
Speaker 5: rack because the armors just start at the bottom of
Speaker 5: each one and just build like Legos. They build exactly
Speaker 5: what they need in every single set, every single cabinet
Speaker 5: to solve their problem. Our consumer products do the same thing.
Speaker 5: Our most recent breakthrough is what we call HsfA locking,
Speaker 5: High Stress Fast Access Locking. We were hosting a training
Speaker 5: event just to learn more about access, to learn more
Speaker 5: about scenarios that unfold, and we were doing force on
Speaker 5: force training in a shootouse where we were simulating home
Speaker 5: invasions and office brake ins, and we determine when you
Speaker 5: trigger someone into fight or flight. These guys are all
Speaker 5: experienced shooters, but we could trigger them into that panic mode.
Speaker 5: They could not open a simple gun safe the buttons
Speaker 5: they could because when you go fight or flight, you
Speaker 5: lose find motor skills, you develop tunnel vision, your cognitive
Speaker 5: abilities reduced. So I got back from that event and
Speaker 5: a day later I had this new lock design drawn up.
Speaker 5: Within six months, it was incorporated across our entire line
Speaker 5: and it's a locking solution.
Speaker 6: It's a very simple.
Speaker 5: Very secure, but it's designed to give you the fastest
Speaker 5: possible access when you're under a very high stress, like
Speaker 5: if somebody home invasion, You've got a second and a
Speaker 5: half two seconds, maybe somebody's shooting at you, you're in
Speaker 5: panic mode. Our locking solution puts you in a position
Speaker 5: to get retrieve your fire arm very quickly and defend yourself.
Speaker 6: That's the newest thing we've done.
Speaker 3: So how does how does it open up?
Speaker 5: It's just a it's a it's a push push button
Speaker 5: locks which releases the safe, and simply it's a handle.
Speaker 6: You just turn a handle open the door.
Speaker 5: Ergonomically, we position all the guns so that and we
Speaker 5: have videos on how to set up your safe fastest
Speaker 5: possible access, whether it's a rifle or a handgun. And
Speaker 5: it positions a firearm, so I retrieve the firearm, I
Speaker 5: retrieve it. Like for me, if it's an air fifteen,
Speaker 5: left hand on grip, it comes up and in a
Speaker 5: one simple motion, I'm in a ready position to defend
Speaker 5: myself with handguns. The door access thing is a little different.
Speaker 5: We're gonna you're positioning things so the safe pops open.
Speaker 5: When the firearm comes out of the safe, you are
Speaker 5: in a low ready position or high ready, depending on
Speaker 5: the location of the safe. But it's we're the only
Speaker 5: company that really thinks about the ergonomics and the actual
Speaker 5: flow of what people are doing when they need to
Speaker 5: access a firearm very very quickly. So we really, And
Speaker 5: this goes back to our military, working with the Marine Corps,
Speaker 5: the reaction force teams, working with special forces, the high
Speaker 5: speed teams, where everything has to be seconds everything, and
Speaker 5: it has to be you know, the old slowest, smooth,
Speaker 5: smooth as fast.
Speaker 6: We follow that idea that the simplest path is usually
Speaker 6: the best.
Speaker 5: There's there's just it's what we do is very simple.
Speaker 5: It's just nobody in firearm storage ever thought about it.
Speaker 6: Gun saves.
Speaker 5: Nothing wrong with gun saves. They're just all the same.
Speaker 5: It's a big box full a little wus and you
Speaker 5: pack all your guns in there. We also do not
Speaker 5: we do not offer fire ratings on our core products.
Speaker 5: Fire ratings are nonsense.
Speaker 3: It's get it out quickly, we quickly. If there's a fire,
Speaker 3: you can get it out.
Speaker 5: So the whole fire rating system, the whole fire rating
Speaker 5: system is not honest. It's it really, I've done it.
Speaker 5: I posted a lot on this. It is a horribly
Speaker 5: flawed system. No, your guns will not survive in a
Speaker 5: hot fire.
Speaker 6: They won't.
Speaker 5: And even if they look okay, you'll never know how
Speaker 5: hot they got. Your hardened steels not hard, and your
Speaker 5: annealed barrel may not be annealed, you're never gonna shoot
Speaker 5: them again. We do make one. We call it the
Speaker 5: True Safe. It's a double walled, cement filled safe. We
Speaker 5: make it to prove a point that if you want
Speaker 5: fire safety, fire capacity, fire rating, this is what it takes.
Speaker 6: It's a beast. It's it's just under two thousand pounds.
Speaker 5: When you buy it from us, we install it, We
Speaker 5: send a crew, they install it. You're never gonna move
Speaker 5: this thing. Do people need it? No, We made it
Speaker 5: to prove a point. We do sell, and they're very
Speaker 5: popular with coin collectors, we find, but we do sell
Speaker 5: a handful.
Speaker 6: Of them a month.
Speaker 5: But really we made it just to show the gun
Speaker 5: industry the world this.
Speaker 6: Is what a fire rating is. This is what it takes.
Speaker 5: But you don't need a fire rating. The risk of
Speaker 5: your home burning down is so rare that you know,
Speaker 5: going through all that nonsense and all that weight, and
Speaker 5: all the materials they use are all banned from use
Speaker 5: in armor of the dry wall, the carpeting, the adhesives
Speaker 5: is all very corrosive.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: The reason the industry sells millions of dollars of anti
Speaker 5: corrosion products because the traditional gun safe is very corrosive.
Speaker 5: You know, all of our products our civilians are all
Speaker 5: made to the same military standards, and we don't recommend
Speaker 5: using any of those products. You simply clean your guns properly,
Speaker 5: You're never going to corrode. It's and that's kind of
Speaker 5: you know, our whole position in the consumer market. We
Speaker 5: are the I don't want to say red headed step child,
Speaker 5: but we're the guys. We're the outlier. We're the disruptive
Speaker 5: force in the industry trying to drive We're trying to
Speaker 5: change an industry that's just been doing the same thing
Speaker 5: for sixty five years.
Speaker 3: Which your perspective is very different.
Speaker 2: You're looking at this is how do I store this
Speaker 2: so I can get quick access to it? Instead of
Speaker 2: you know, how do I make this thing? It was
Speaker 2: standout hurricane and a fire and all the rest of
Speaker 2: the stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And now let me ask you, how do you go
Speaker 2: from a locked standpoint to being able to open it quickly?
Speaker 2: You're talking about pushing a button and getting in there.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, so our locks are all we I mean,
Speaker 5: we have biometrics within our locks, but we would never
Speaker 5: ever recommend use of a bi like a push you know,
Speaker 5: biometric fingerprint readers. Those are for convenience only because if
Speaker 5: your hands are wet, it won't open. Your hands are dirty,
Speaker 5: it won't open. If you're wearing gloves, it won't open.
Speaker 5: We want everybody to use the keypad.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 5: Our fast access keypads worked very well. But when you
Speaker 5: buy my safe, if you've got to under the bed
Speaker 5: safe for a shotgun, every night when you go to bed,
Speaker 5: turn the lights off, you're going to reach down quietly
Speaker 5: and smoothly, do your combination, open the safe and close it,
Speaker 5: go to bed. You're gonna do that every night for
Speaker 5: the first thirty six nights, and.
Speaker 6: Then you're gonna do it every week.
Speaker 5: And what you're doing is you're building muscle memory, just
Speaker 5: like a musician playing an instrument. And when you do that,
Speaker 5: once you go thirty six days, you've now ingrained that
Speaker 5: you've hardwired, that you're subconscious regardless of your state, you're
Speaker 5: gonna open that safe incredibly quickly and very smoothly. So
Speaker 5: that's you know, we have a whole curriculum of train.
Speaker 3: With your safe.
Speaker 6: People with handguns.
Speaker 5: Always they practice their dry fire routines, they practice their draw.
Speaker 5: If you're actively if you conceal carry. If you're into this,
Speaker 5: you know, part of the Second Amendment, you should be
Speaker 5: every morning doing your dry fire routines. I sit on
Speaker 5: a on a slack line balancing just for added added uh,
Speaker 5: I don't know, just just a workout thing. And I
Speaker 5: do dry fire drills every morning, and I've been doing
Speaker 5: that for years because that's it's just getting those reps
Speaker 5: and it's so important. Same thing with my locking system
Speaker 5: is every time you go to if you've got a
Speaker 5: small safe in your closet by your front door, which
Speaker 5: is a great location in store firearms, every time I
Speaker 5: pull a coat out to just reach in, not even looking,
Speaker 5: I can open up that safe and remove a firearm
Speaker 5: in less than a second with my eyes closed, because
Speaker 5: I've done it probably two thousand times. And that's that's
Speaker 5: kind of how we look at the whole thing is
Speaker 5: the you know, the gun safe industry has as safe
Speaker 5: as a passive piece of equipment that's in your basement
Speaker 5: that you go to after your day is done with
Speaker 5: training or hunting or whatever you're doing. We look at
Speaker 5: firearm storage as integral to the process of defending your home,
Speaker 5: the process of defending your life. So we want that
Speaker 5: access that using that lock to be part of your process.
Speaker 3: It's not the holster in.
Speaker 5: Other words, exactly, that's the term. We've used a wholester
Speaker 5: for your home and and that's how we look at it.
Speaker 5: The other side of our system is gun and gear storage,
Speaker 5: the amount of gear, and this happened at the military first.
Speaker 5: You know, we got volved with the military because they
Speaker 5: were fielding so much high value gear their armories just
Speaker 5: couldn't hold it. And part of our our system is
Speaker 5: that ability to store gear behind above around with your
Speaker 5: firearms in a very organized manner. So we have a
Speaker 5: real advantage our systems. When you open the doors up
Speaker 5: of a safe that's really really decked out and take
Speaker 5: a picture of it, everybody.
Speaker 6: Goes, holy cow, that looks good.
Speaker 5: And that's you know, our We made Ink Magazine's fastest
Speaker 5: growing companies in America twice in three years and we
Speaker 5: never we never spent any money on advertising.
Speaker 6: It was all word of mouth.
Speaker 5: There was just photographs of what people were doing with
Speaker 5: our system and it just went crazy. So it's a
Speaker 5: I think we're winning this idea that of you know,
Speaker 5: for what we do, storage and security are integral to safety,
Speaker 5: and you know, home defense.
Speaker 2: And that really is the vulnerability that we have, you know,
Speaker 2: we have if people don't use the firearms reasonably, then
Speaker 2: that opens us up to the attack on firearm ownership
Speaker 2: from the safety standpoint. So part of preserving the Second
Speaker 2: Amendment is preserving your life and preserving the safe storage
Speaker 2: of these items as well.
Speaker 5: Wasn't it absolutely if we always say, if every firearm
Speaker 5: in America was properly secured, would we be fighting so
Speaker 5: hard to the Second Amendment? Because you're going to eliminate
Speaker 5: so many what I call them stupid, so many the
Speaker 5: accidental the things you read about you just you just
Speaker 5: you know, your roll your eyes, you drop your head.
Speaker 6: It's a tragedy. We're just like, my god, it was
Speaker 6: so easy to prevent that.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's we live at a time now where there
Speaker 5: should never be a child getting access to a firearm,
Speaker 5: or a friend at a party who's drunk, or you know,
Speaker 5: there's there's it's real easy now to keep firearms secured
Speaker 5: yet very very available to the to the authorized person.
Speaker 2: Yes, and of course, you know we see elements of
Speaker 2: this when it comes to onmobiles as well, right, and
Speaker 2: you know when people don't use automobiles responsibly. Then that
Speaker 2: puts all of us in a position of having our
Speaker 2: rights stripped away with that. And of course it says
Speaker 2: so many people don't have experience with firearms at all,
Speaker 2: like they do with cars. Whenever they see something like that,
Speaker 2: they think that that is characteristic of everybody rather than
Speaker 2: just one irresponsible person. So it's really important for you personally,
Speaker 2: and it's important for us collectively to protect the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2: But the key thing is for your own use. And
Speaker 2: so I really like the idea that you've got that
Speaker 2: it's another holster that's there that you train with it
Speaker 2: to be able to open up very quickly. That's a
Speaker 2: great idea. Again, the company is yes, go ahead, Sorry,
Speaker 2: it's Secure Tactical.
Speaker 5: You know, we're working hard to get this message out.
Speaker 5: We're slowly winning it. It's just not easy, you know.
Speaker 5: We're trying to change the way people think and that
Speaker 5: takes time.
Speaker 6: It just does.
Speaker 5: But we're slow we're slowly winning this war.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and so the company, again, folks, is secure It.
Speaker 3: What is your website? Is it secure?
Speaker 6: Secure?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: Secure gun Storage dot Com, Secure Tacticals, our military site.
Speaker 6: These google the words secure it. We're all over the web.
Speaker 2: That's great, Thank you so much. Fascinating story, and we'll
Speaker 2: be looking at it ourselves, I'm sure. So thank you
Speaker 2: very much, Tom, I appreciate Tom.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And secure it gun Storage, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining us. All right, thank you, thank you. And by
Speaker 2: the way, I should mention that they don't sell these
Speaker 2: in the stores because as you heard, they've got a
Speaker 2: lot of training information on the site and that really
Speaker 2: does show how to use the product, how to train
Speaker 2: with the product. So they're very much integrated into an
Speaker 2: online presentation. So just check out the website. You can
Speaker 2: find them online if you look for secure it it.
Speaker 4: Making Sense common again you're listening to the David Knight Show.
Speaker 2: Joining us now is James Bovard. You can find him
Speaker 2: at Jim Bovard dot com. He writes for a variety
Speaker 2: of outlets and has for many many years. He is
Speaker 2: a libertarian, or we could say a classical liberal, because
Speaker 2: that's something that Steven Miller's wife doesn't seem to understand.
Speaker 2: That's the same thing as there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: that they don't understand, are there, Jim. But he had
Speaker 2: a very interesting op ed piece on miss dot org.
Speaker 2: The latest federal killing in Minnesota echoes Ruby Ridge, and
Speaker 2: I think he's really right and in a lot of
Speaker 2: different ways when we talk about how it is similar
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 3: You know, if.
Speaker 2: You're around at that point in time, that should be
Speaker 2: etched indelibly into your memory what happens Ruby Ridge and
Speaker 2: Branch Davidians and things like that. But you know, even
Speaker 2: at that time, a lot of people were not really
Speaker 2: following that very closely. And of some of the people
Speaker 2: who were following it, I think they've forgotten the details
Speaker 2: of it. They certainly have forgotten the lessons of it,
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of parallels here in this
Speaker 2: and we need to learn those lessons so we can
Speaker 2: stop repeating these things over and over again. Thank you
Speaker 2: for joining us, Jim.
Speaker 7: Hey, thanks very much for having me on. Thanks and
Speaker 7: thanks for not forgetting about Ruby Ridge.
Speaker 3: How could I It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Gary Spence did a great job in that trial, and
Speaker 2: again what an interesting character he is in terms of
Speaker 2: defending Randy and well not defending him, but in terms
Speaker 2: of getting some compensation for him. But you can never
Speaker 2: compensate for really for what he lost. Let's talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about the parallels, but tell us you put
Speaker 2: up a tweet that really went viral about this, which
Speaker 2: is the basis of your article. I guess that's why
Speaker 2: you decided to write the article. You had a lot
Speaker 2: of people take exception to you, drawing parallels exception.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, with their pitchforks and torses. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 7: it was. It was interesting if you go back to
Speaker 7: folks who were politically conscious in the nineteen nineties, people
Speaker 7: who were skeptical about government power, both liberals and conservatives
Speaker 7: and libertarians, Ruby Ridge was a rallying cry for what
Speaker 7: happens when the government is off a leash and when
Speaker 7: federal agents have a license to kill. As a federal judge,
Speaker 7: Alice Kozinski said, the Ruby Ridge case you had, the
Speaker 7: FBI snipers were given a basically a double O seven
Speaker 7: license to go out and kill people. Yeah, the basic
Speaker 7: rules of engagement where if you see the adult meals
Speaker 7: outside the cabin, kill them, you know, no warning or anything.
Speaker 7: Even though they had never fired upon the federal Uh,
Speaker 7: they never fired upon the FBI.
Speaker 3: Sou But when we've seen that over and over again,
Speaker 3: I talked about how apparently with this absolute immunity, these
Speaker 3: people are all double O sevens. I said, I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe that refers to their I Q.
Speaker 7: Well, I had that impression. I was wondering about that.
Speaker 7: With some of the feedback I was getting. It was
Speaker 7: it was interesting to see the absolute instant hatred uh
Speaker 7: for for drawing a parallel between what happened at Ruby
Speaker 7: Ridge and the killing of the Alex Preddy in Minneapolis
Speaker 7: last Saturday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 7: It was funny. It's been a while since I since
Speaker 7: I had that much visibility on Twitter, and it's interesting
Speaker 7: how the standard insults have changed, because now it just
Speaker 7: like about forty percent of the response it were just
Speaker 7: like you were retard, Yeah exactly, or okay, Boomer, I'm thinking,
Speaker 7: is this the best you can do? Is this the
Speaker 7: best deprecation you have in your arsenal? You were retard?
Speaker 7: Then you kind of go back and forth with these people,
Speaker 7: and then they started flinging the airport in every direction,
Speaker 7: and you know, I like George Carlin, there's a time
Speaker 7: and a place for the airport. It can be effective.
Speaker 7: But when you're just kind of when this is all
Speaker 7: you have, you.
Speaker 3: Know, well, they don't even know what deprecation is that
Speaker 3: to liok that up if they could even start.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, well so yeah so most so the most
Speaker 7: common retort was retard and the second most common report
Speaker 7: was boomer Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's it, yeah, boomer yeah.
Speaker 7: And I mean, okay, so I know how to read.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: There was yeah, there was. There was some guy who
Speaker 7: was a who kept attacking me and he was making
Speaker 7: such in your comments. I finally said, you know, maybe
Speaker 7: what we need is go fundb drive to get you
Speaker 7: hooked on phonics, you to get your software program. And
Speaker 7: didn't seem to make him happy. So, you know, I tried.
Speaker 7: I tried. There were there were other folks. I said,
Speaker 7: you know, good luck with your grammar, you know, because
Speaker 7: they were just if you're gonna call someone a retard,
Speaker 7: you should be able to spell your entire sentence correctly,
Speaker 7: you know, otherwise it kind of boomerangs. You know, it's
Speaker 7: not a good look you to them.
Speaker 3: Okay, boomerang.
Speaker 7: There you go.
Speaker 3: So what was the tweet? What exactly did you say
Speaker 3: in the tweet?
Speaker 7: Oh, that's a good question. Let me pull it up here.
Speaker 7: I've got this reopened. It was. It was interesting, there
Speaker 7: was I had at first first commented on the on
Speaker 7: the Ruby Ridge thing. Uh, first parallel on late Saturday,
Speaker 7: and then I was getting so much hostile feedback. Uh,
Speaker 7: so so what I did? Uh, this is an article
Speaker 7: in the parallels. In both cases, the Feds suppress evidence,
Speaker 7: raisingly lied about what happened, exaggerated the threat to federal agents,
Speaker 7: and offered bizarre justifications for their killings. Yeah, and that
Speaker 7: is let's see. Yeah, and we.
Speaker 2: Start out we could add to the on my list.
Speaker 2: I made a similar list like that. Uh, the needlessly
Speaker 2: aggressive use of force, which seems to be a hallmark
Speaker 2: of government anymore.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that was that was a point you know
Speaker 7: that I made a Knee Macy's article on how the
Speaker 7: late is killing Uh echo Ruby Ridge. But it's interesting
Speaker 7: because you have so many people who are conservatives who
Speaker 7: understood after January sixth, twenty twenty one, after the Biden
Speaker 7: posts came in and vilified everyone, every Trump's supporter who'd
Speaker 7: been in the same zip code as the US capital
Speaker 7: right and tried to ruin your lives. And you had
Speaker 7: the FBI formally classifying all these January sixth cases, eight
Speaker 7: hundred or more of them as terrorism cases. That's right,
Speaker 7: because someone walked into a government building.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I talked about that.
Speaker 2: In one particular, I think one of the most egregious
Speaker 2: ones I saw was you had a couple of elderly
Speaker 2: guys that were there and they had their middle aged
Speaker 2: one of them middle aged son, and they walk up
Speaker 2: the doors are open going into the Capitol building and
Speaker 2: they got a couple of cops and they said, is
Speaker 2: there a restroom'r in here somewhere? Yeah, sure, go round here,
Speaker 2: go in and use the restroom. And that's all they did.
Speaker 2: They come back out and as they're getting ready to
Speaker 2: go back out the same way they came in, as
Speaker 2: a female cop and she says, no, no, no, go
Speaker 2: this way. She's pointing, trying to get them to go
Speaker 2: onto the floor of the Capitol building, trying to trap them.
Speaker 2: And they did charge them, because that's why that came out,
Speaker 2: was because they actually wound up charging them.
Speaker 3: With that.
Speaker 2: You would think that they would have a memory of
Speaker 2: that and a perspective of it that they've got like
Speaker 2: the memory of.
Speaker 3: A fruit fly. It's absolutely amazing they don't. They can't.
Speaker 2: They can't understand these different principles and the similarities that
Speaker 2: are there. And that's a big part of it. It's
Speaker 2: a big part of the of the group think that's there.
Speaker 2: The tribalism that is there is that they're going to
Speaker 2: go through with a fine tooth comb and they're going
Speaker 2: to identify how this person over here was a bad person.
Speaker 2: We've got to add hominem attack and they're not part
Speaker 2: of our tribe. So it was justified. That's basically when
Speaker 2: you peel back all the layers of this onion, that's
Speaker 2: what it really gets down to when you see this
Speaker 2: this rabid response that I've seen from a lot of
Speaker 2: people on social media.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it goes back to what historian Henry Adams said
Speaker 7: one hundred years ago. Politics has always been the systematic
Speaker 7: organization of hatreds, and it was it was it was
Speaker 7: intriguing to see the push button hatred after the after
Speaker 7: the protester got killed. Uh, and to see and it
Speaker 7: was funny because I was posting stuff on Facebook and
Speaker 7: then on there on Twitter, and so late on Saturday,
Speaker 7: I said, well, you know, you know, there was a
Speaker 7: there was a TV station there in Minneapolis. I think
Speaker 7: it might have been an ABC station, and said that
Speaker 7: that actually, if you look at the video, it looks
Speaker 7: like the federal agent had taken away the guy's gun
Speaker 7: before he was shot, and oh my god, you think
Speaker 7: I had just you know, made the biggest heresy in
Speaker 7: the world because the outrage. How could anybody say that?
Speaker 7: And it was like I was, it was like I
Speaker 7: was trying. It was almost like we were supposed to
Speaker 7: think the federal agents had somehow performed a miracle by
Speaker 7: saving everybody from getting shot by this guy, Like it
Speaker 7: was that Stephen Miller or was that Bobino. I think
Speaker 7: it was Bobino who said the agents did a really
Speaker 7: good job because they stopped this guy from killing killing police. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I'm thinking by that standard, they could kill everybody.
Speaker 3: The demonstrations, Well, you know, it really has.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things I remember most about Ruby
Speaker 2: Ridge and then about Waco as well, was how people
Speaker 2: lined up as to whether or not they liked David
Speaker 2: Koresh and his group. If they didn't like him, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: do whatever you want to to him. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: a Christian, and so I looked at that and I
Speaker 2: saw these people said, well, you know, we don't like
Speaker 2: this guy. We think he's His theology is avran and
Speaker 2: they do weird things in their church and stuff. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: go after this guy, I'm not part of it. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be associated with them, and so they
Speaker 2: they basically were cheering the incineration of men, women and children.
Speaker 3: Is like, what in the world is going on here?
Speaker 2: But of course you see that now over and over again,
Speaker 2: like you point out the systematic organization of hatred, you know,
Speaker 2: which is yeah, And it was.
Speaker 7: The same thing with the Ruby Ridge. The part of
Speaker 7: what happened is the FEDS were very quick to vilify,
Speaker 7: vilify their victims, being the Randy Weaveman his wife. Primarily
Speaker 7: they had some bad ideas, and in the writing that
Speaker 7: I did about it, I was very careful not to say, well,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe they've got a point. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: I mean bad ideas. But then there are a couple
Speaker 7: people out there who think that I have bad ideas.
Speaker 7: That's right, So you know, you know, I don't want
Speaker 7: to give the FEDS a license to kill people with
Speaker 7: bad ideas.
Speaker 3: But this is what what a lot of the.
Speaker 7: People who want want the government to fight extremism, This
Speaker 7: is what it turns out to be. People have different
Speaker 7: ideas than you do. He said, well, you know, got
Speaker 7: to take him out, you know, I mean it's it's hard.
Speaker 7: It's hard to have a free speech if someone's hateful,
Speaker 7: and what's the difference definition of hateful? Disagrees with me? So,
Speaker 7: but we've seen that ever since the Cleton administration.
Speaker 2: So, and of course, you know, when we look at
Speaker 2: the way people responded first to the killing of Renee Good,
Speaker 2: what I noticed was the MAGA people came out said, oh,
Speaker 2: she's LGBT and she was part of an organization that
Speaker 2: got some so US money or whatever. And it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: you do realize Scott Bessett is a part of that
Speaker 2: LGBT movement, and he do realize he got a lot
Speaker 2: of sorous money, didn't He as a partner with the
Speaker 2: guy for a long time. And yet you know they're
Speaker 2: completely blind to that because now this guy is he's whitewashed,
Speaker 2: he's baptized or whatever because Trump picked him and he's
Speaker 2: working with Trump, and the same type of stuff. If
Speaker 2: you equated Ashley Babbitt to Renee Good, which I think
Speaker 2: was a good comparison because they were both shot at
Speaker 2: point blank range when they were no threat to anyone,
Speaker 2: and yet they came back and it said, yeah, but look,
Speaker 2: you know she's I don't like what she did with
Speaker 2: this or what she says about that, I don't like
Speaker 2: her lifestyle or whatever. So again it's the demonization of
Speaker 2: this kind of thing. And now we've seen it. They
Speaker 2: kept digging and digging and pick a lot longer for
Speaker 2: them to find something on Alex pretty but what they
Speaker 2: were able to find on him was a BBC video
Speaker 2: where he got into a fight with some Border Patrol
Speaker 2: agents or something like that. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: seen that or not. That went viral yesterday. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: haven't watched all of it, but I've seen it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so here's the tail light out and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: but they didn't kill him that day, and would that
Speaker 2: justify him being killed that day even and he wasn't
Speaker 2: doing that the day that.
Speaker 3: He was killed. It wasn't doing anything like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a story that I wrote that came
Speaker 7: out on the day before he was shot. Said, look,
Speaker 7: I mean, you have protests, you're going to have assholes
Speaker 7: because there's almost always people who behaved like assholes of protests.
Speaker 3: And the same thing. If you've got police, you're also
Speaker 3: going to have all that's true.
Speaker 7: That's true. So there's there's an interesting point here on
Speaker 7: the looking at the at what Alex pretty did before
Speaker 7: he got shot. So we don't know the names of
Speaker 7: the two federal agents who shot and killed him, and
Speaker 7: I would be very interested to see what their records were,
Speaker 7: if they had a record of abusive force, or if
Speaker 7: they had shot somebody else before.
Speaker 3: Or you know, or if they were new hires.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So, I mean, this is this is a real
Speaker 7: big This is something which comes up in in big
Speaker 7: cities if some cops shoot someone, especially if the cop
Speaker 7: shot people before, and especially if there was any kind
Speaker 7: of pattern to the cops killings or shootings. This is
Speaker 7: this is very germane to make any kind of judgment.
Speaker 7: But the Trump people have decided we have no right.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know when or how federal agents
Speaker 7: got their right to kill anonymously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 7: But this is this is this is what it is
Speaker 7: at this point, and it's it's funny, but I mean,
Speaker 7: it's it's kind of a variation of what we saw
Speaker 7: a couple of months ago. There was a lot of
Speaker 7: controversy initially about how the how our War Department had
Speaker 7: done a second hit on the survivors out there near Venezuela,
Speaker 7: and you know it was there was video of that killing,
Speaker 7: and I guess it was being seen on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 7: Then all of a sudden, our Secretary of War he
Speaker 7: sits comes out of well, of course we can't make
Speaker 7: that publicus's confidential has got this and that it's like,
Speaker 7: you know, so it's a license to kill.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, you know, he put out and
Speaker 2: bragged about their shots against these boats in the past,
Speaker 2: and I said that about the this is I think
Speaker 2: wasn't the circle back where they killed the shipwrecked people.
Speaker 2: I think that was the very first strike they did.
Speaker 2: And I said, of the video that he put out proudly,
Speaker 2: I said, that's criminal. That's an act of war. They
Speaker 2: didn't interdict that there's there's clearly processes for them to
Speaker 2: check people if they suspect them of being drug dealers.
Speaker 3: And again, I don't agree with any of the war on.
Speaker 2: Drug stuff, but they have their own rules about that
Speaker 2: and they violated all the rules.
Speaker 7: Well, and it's it's it's it's interesting trying to figure
Speaker 7: out if there's laws or you know, constitutional rights that
Speaker 7: the Trump administration is going to recognize and uphold.
Speaker 3: Yeah for anything.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, because it's you know, trying to understand
Speaker 7: what went down in minneapp list. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 7: amazing that the first response by the DHS, by Bovino
Speaker 7: and people like that was like, well, people got no
Speaker 7: right to know the names that we're going to shift
Speaker 7: them out of the states so they can't be held
Speaker 7: legally libel by Minnesota officials. It's it's like, where did
Speaker 7: they get the right to kill in Minnesota? I mean,
Speaker 7: this is this is this is not a recognized federal right.
Speaker 7: But there again, it goes back to Ruby Ridge. And
Speaker 7: you had the FBI sniper who killed the mother holding
Speaker 7: her baby by the cabin door.
Speaker 3: And I'll never forget his name.
Speaker 7: Uchi, And and you had the Janet Reno and the
Speaker 7: Clinton Just Apartment and the Clinton President Clinton moving hell
Speaker 7: in high Water to block any prosecution by the state
Speaker 7: of Idaho of the FBI sniper even though a confidential
Speaker 7: Just Apartment report Art said that his shot that killed
Speaker 7: Vicky Weaver was totally illegal and unjustified.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, recount some of the details about Ruby Ridge because
Speaker 2: it has been a while for people and even people
Speaker 2: who were following it at the time. You know, there
Speaker 2: was a lot at the time we didn't The internet
Speaker 2: can be both good and bad. I got to say that,
Speaker 2: you know, when Ruby Ridge happened, and then when you
Speaker 2: had the very long standoff there with a branch Davidians,
Speaker 2: it was a bit difficult to get information because the
Speaker 2: only thing you could get was mainstream media whitewashing of stuff.
Speaker 2: And we did have a bulletin board that I was
Speaker 2: a part of at the time, but there was no Internet,
Speaker 2: right so people in the area were getting information and
Speaker 2: putting it out, and of course it wasn't verified, but
Speaker 2: of course we knew that the stuff coming from mainstream
Speaker 2: media was verified bs. So it was interesting to look
Speaker 2: at these things in real time. But go back and
Speaker 2: recount some of the things with Ruby Ridge, as you see,
Speaker 2: are parallels to what's happening.
Speaker 7: Well, I'll started getting a thumbnail Ruby Rich here. It
Speaker 7: started when the when an undercover alcohol tobacco firearms atf
Speaker 7: agent and trapped Randy Weaver into selling a salt off shotgun.
Speaker 7: Uh it was a Then on August twenty first, nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety two, three US marshals dressed in ninja outfits and
Speaker 7: with face masks, illegally intrude on the Weaver's land and
Speaker 7: ambush Weaver's fourteen year old son and a twenty five
Speaker 7: year old family friend, Kevin Harris. The marshals fired some
Speaker 7: machine guns at the at the UH at them and
Speaker 7: killed the boy's dog. A firefight and sued ensued a
Speaker 7: US Marshalls killed as the boy was running back home
Speaker 7: towards his family's cabin, a marshal, a Marshall shined in
Speaker 7: the back and killed him. Yeah, and it was a
Speaker 7: big issue then in the Justice Department confidential report?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 7: The Marshal Service never separated the different marshals who had
Speaker 7: killed the boy and been in the firefight and gave
Speaker 7: them thereby giving them a chance to create their own
Speaker 7: cover story, which was later approven to be completely false.
Speaker 7: But so the marshals gave a storyline to the FBI
Speaker 7: that made the FBI panic. The next day, FBI snipers arrived.
Speaker 7: Within an hour of them taking position, every adult in
Speaker 7: the Weaver cabin was either dead or severely wounded. Even
Speaker 7: though they never fired a shot at the FBI. You
Speaker 7: had FBI sniper whore ugually shot Randy Weave in the
Speaker 7: back as he stood outside his shack and then fired
Speaker 7: a shot that killed Vicky Weaver by the cabin door
Speaker 7: as she was holding her baby. Now, the FBI initially
Speaker 7: said that they were justified in killing Vicky Weaver because
Speaker 7: she'd been in the front yard firing at the FBI helicopter.
Speaker 7: That was a complete scam and that fell apart, And
Speaker 7: so once that story fell apart, the FBI said they
Speaker 7: killed her accidentally.
Speaker 2: So that sounds like Christine Holmes thing the agents were
Speaker 2: stuck in the snow. Oh yeah, yeah, just making this
Speaker 2: stuff up, the contempt for everybody. It reminds me of
Speaker 2: what Jake Tappert just said to one of these guys.
Speaker 2: The guy's going on on about what happened with this
Speaker 2: Alex pretty thing, and he goes, you do realize there's
Speaker 2: a video of this, don't you.
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: And that's the only reason why we've got a chance
Speaker 7: of help getting the truth on this, because if you
Speaker 7: think of the initial storyline that the Trump top officials
Speaker 7: put out on the Alex Preddy shooting, he had his
Speaker 7: non bill meter pistol out. He was a solding law
Speaker 7: enforcement and they were you know, he was there to
Speaker 7: mask for them, and you know, to the New York
Speaker 7: Thomps credit. You know, within an hour of the Trump
Speaker 7: top officials saying them, you know, New York Times were saying,
Speaker 7: you know, actually there's videos, there's something completely different, and
Speaker 7: so many papers came around to that quite quickly. But
Speaker 7: you had the Trump people quite acclaimed to this absolute
Speaker 7: nonsense version that would whitewash the federal agents who killed Preddie.
Speaker 7: And it's like, okay, if you're gonna lie so brazenly,
Speaker 7: why should we trust you on anything that's right?
Speaker 3: That's right exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is brazen, it is arrogant. It's an insult to
Speaker 2: our intelligence, isn't it myself?
Speaker 7: Well yeah it is, except for people on Twitter.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because a lot of that intelligence because they're just
Speaker 8: you know, it was it was like, you know, but
Speaker 8: you know, but Stephen Miller said this, and you know,
Speaker 8: it was like it was handed down from Mount Sinai
Speaker 8: and it's like, well no, actually, you know.
Speaker 7: It's that's that's that's not what that's not what happened.
Speaker 7: So you're calling them liars, Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You got a better wordy than the liar.
Speaker 2: They were grossly mistaken.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But so.
Speaker 7: An interesting thing with this was that there was there
Speaker 7: were a lot of people in the just Department who
Speaker 7: were very unhappy how it went down at Ruby Ridge,
Speaker 7: and there was an internal investigation that came out with
Speaker 7: a five hundred page report. The government kept that secret,
Speaker 7: and early early nineteen ninety five, FBI Chief Lewis Free
Speaker 7: does a press conference and announces basically whitewashes all the
Speaker 7: FBI policy makers and the snipers for the killing of
Speaker 7: Vicky Weaver and everything else that happened in that case.
Speaker 7: So a couple of days later, I did a piece
Speaker 7: for the Wall Street Journal called no Accountability at the FBI.
Speaker 7: A couple of weeks later, Lewis Free attacked me in
Speaker 7: the article and a response he wrote to the Wall
Speaker 7: Street Journal. And so, you know, it was funny. There
Speaker 7: was a friend of mine from Argentina who had done
Speaker 7: some work with and on the day that the Lewis
Speaker 7: Free letter condemning me came out and the Walls Journal,
Speaker 7: he calls it and says, well, I just wanted to
Speaker 7: say goodbye, because you know he's Argentina. You know I'm
Speaker 7: not gonna be around very long. And I said, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, I can't imagine the federal officials ever doing
Speaker 7: anything improper like that.
Speaker 3: But we're starting to approach that point. Perhaps I don't know.
Speaker 7: There you go, but so so so I kept digging
Speaker 7: and I eventually got the a copy of that five
Speaker 7: hundred page confidential report, and I wrote about that for
Speaker 7: the Wall Street Journal, and I also wrote about the
Speaker 7: case for a Playboy and American Spectator. And I think
Speaker 7: my stories interrupt.
Speaker 2: You a second. How did you get that five hundred
Speaker 2: page report? I mean, did they give that up with
Speaker 2: a four request?
Speaker 7: No? No, no, they they did not give it up.
Speaker 7: Would Yeah, no, it was Look, it was not given up.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you found it through some alternative sources.
Speaker 7: Well I came into possession.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.
Speaker 7: How about that. That's the way, Yeah, like that, But no,
Speaker 7: it was Pentagon. And having that report it just completely
Speaker 7: destroyed the entire storyline the FEDS had created going back
Speaker 7: two years or more earlier. And it made a mockery
Speaker 7: of Lewis Freeze claims. And they finally, uh suspended some
Speaker 7: officials FBI and the in the top the top official
Speaker 7: of the FBI Violent Crimes a Major Offender Section plaid
Speaker 7: guilty was sent to prison for destroying evidence on the
Speaker 7: Ruby Ridge case.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I didn't think there's some details.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. That's good.
Speaker 3: Somebody went to jail.
Speaker 7: It may yeah, it may have been the evidence that
Speaker 7: he destroyed would have showed that lan Horiucci intentionally killed
Speaker 7: Vicky Weaver, or maybe at didna. We don't know, because
Speaker 7: it was destroyed and the cover up was successful.
Speaker 3: And they gave him a medal, didn't they lan Horyucci?
Speaker 7: I don't know, but uh, there was a story which
Speaker 7: I did.
Speaker 3: The recommendation or whatever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe I'm not sure, but what the Marshal Service
Speaker 7: did is wait until you know three and a half
Speaker 7: years after the marshals there killed Sandy Weaver and then
Speaker 7: gave their highest valor commendation to the marshals who had
Speaker 7: been at Ruby Ridge in early nineteen ninety six. And
Speaker 7: I wrote a Wall Street Journable story about that. There
Speaker 7: was a lot of pushback among some of their editors,
Speaker 7: but that's a different story. But uh no, it was
Speaker 7: it was brazen that they were. It was it was
Speaker 7: a wide erb who was a US marshal, uh someone
Speaker 7: like that? I mean, it was a movie consultant, right,
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not I'm uh uh. It'd be kind
Speaker 7: of rude to stop the interview and doing an internet
Speaker 7: search and Google searts. So but no, but so it
Speaker 7: was utterly brazen. But and it's just it's just interesting
Speaker 7: to see how many lies, i mean, lying and killing
Speaker 7: goes together like ham and eggs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you have that with the federal agencies, like you
Speaker 7: have it with the mafia. Yeah. So, and.
Speaker 2: Well, certainly somebody's gonna kill somebody as serious as that
Speaker 2: crime is, they're gonna lie about it. And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: And so that's what we see when the government does it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of interesting. We talk about the
Speaker 2: situation of Venezuela. One of the things that I've said
Speaker 2: is that, you know, Madison said, the weapons of defense
Speaker 2: abroad always become instruments of tyranny at home. And I
Speaker 2: think that applies to their attitudes towards killing people, their
Speaker 2: attitudes towards war, whether it's foreign or domestic. I think
Speaker 2: once they have crossed that rubicon in their mind like
Speaker 2: they did with Venezuela, it's just a matter of time
Speaker 2: before they start doing it domestically as well. And I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of amazing too when you look at
Speaker 2: border patrol and immigration control and all the rest of
Speaker 2: the stuff. They're so focused on their political border, but
Speaker 2: they don't think there's any boundaries whatsoever in law for
Speaker 2: what they do. So these are people who say, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got to have borders and so forth, but there's
Speaker 2: no boundaries for us. I mean Trump has even said that.
Speaker 2: You know, he was asked that question. He had no
Speaker 2: problem about saying, well, no, I don't think there's any
Speaker 2: restrictions that I have, any rules in any international rules
Speaker 2: or laws that I need. You, I'm constrained by my morality.
Speaker 7: Oh, that was so comforting. It was just I mean,
Speaker 7: there are so many things which Trump says that which
Speaker 7: are just you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a golden moment. You know, that's kind
Speaker 3: of like makes insane. Well, when the president does it,
Speaker 3: it is not illegal, you know, it's.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's going back to those border patrol agents
Speaker 7: and the ice folks. I mean, it's almost as if
Speaker 7: we those federal agents need to have absolute power in
Speaker 7: order to preserve the American way of life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, except that the American way of life and federal
Speaker 7: absolute power it did not used to go together.
Speaker 3: So that's right. Well, we just had that a week
Speaker 3: or two ago.
Speaker 2: We had some Israeli billionaire named SloMo and he said,
Speaker 2: We're going to destroy the First Amendment to preserve it. Right,
Speaker 2: So we got to destroy the rule of law in
Speaker 2: order to have America. We got to destroy the Constitution
Speaker 2: and everything else. Right, that's the logic behind what these
Speaker 2: people are telling us.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and some of the Trump actions on
Speaker 7: freedom speech have been appalling, oh yeah, saying with a
Speaker 7: lot of the other things they had done. So but
Speaker 7: it's just part of what's fascinating to me. On going
Speaker 7: back to the parallels or Ruby Ridge and the killing
Speaker 7: on Saturday, what were their rules of engagement for the
Speaker 7: DHS agents? There was there was there was a video
Speaker 7: I saw online Bobino was talking to the agents giving
Speaker 7: them a pep talk, and he was telling them if
Speaker 7: anybody touches you, then you know, take them down, arrest them,
Speaker 7: you know, just you know, do maximum penalties for him.
Speaker 7: And this is the same attitude. Christy Noms said something
Speaker 7: similar that if some if somebody, if some protests really
Speaker 7: touches you, boom, that's assaults so on and so forth. Well,
Speaker 7: you've seen the videos of these a lot of the
Speaker 7: federal agents being super aggressive with people down aasching them, assaulting,
Speaker 7: spraying the face for no reason. Why the pepper spray.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is such an absolute disparity. Instead there's
Speaker 7: a conduct. You know, how are people supposed to be
Speaker 7: free when federal agents have the right to beat them?
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I remember years ago there was a protest at Berkeley,
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what it was for, and you
Speaker 2: had all these people that were, you know, setting cross
Speaker 2: leg on the ground, and you had this fat cop
Speaker 2: go along with pepper spray right in front of their faces,
Speaker 2: just spraying, and that outraged everybody, and rightfully so it's like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing that for? And yet you know
Speaker 2: we have the same situation happening now with these Ice agents.
Speaker 2: There's that one picture where they had this person pinned
Speaker 2: to the ground, A guy puts the spray can right
Speaker 2: in his face or her face and sprays them with that.
Speaker 2: There was another one after the shooting of Renee Good.
Speaker 2: I've played that multiple times video I played multiple times
Speaker 2: on the show where you got this guy going around
Speaker 2: kicking they put on they chucked up the sidewalk with
Speaker 2: her name and things like that, and then put some
Speaker 2: candles there and you probably saw that. He goes on
Speaker 2: kicking the candles over and guy says, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Do you know what?
Speaker 2: And the guy gets right up in his face and
Speaker 2: you know, it gets like about an inch from actually
Speaker 2: hitting him with his body, says get back, get back,
Speaker 2: get back, you know, and keeps pushing him back. Just thugish,
Speaker 2: schoolyard behavior, just beyond belief, trying to go the guy
Speaker 2: into touching him so he can go off on this guy.
Speaker 2: He and all the other ones around there. It's going
Speaker 2: to be a gang bang if he just lays a
Speaker 2: finger on this guy. And he's doing everything he can
Speaker 2: to provoke that. And we've seen them coming up to people,
Speaker 2: knocking phones out of their hands because it's somehow. It's
Speaker 2: now a rule that if you are photographing the police,
Speaker 2: which you have a right to do. Supreme Court has
Speaker 2: said that over and over. I believe it's a Supreme court.
Speaker 2: There's been multiple court cases. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: got up to the Supreme Court or not, but you
Speaker 2: have a right to film the police. We all know
Speaker 2: that that should be there, whether the law says that
Speaker 2: or not. But they come up to people and threaten them,
Speaker 2: threatened to put them in a database, knock the phone
Speaker 2: out of their hands, and all the rest of this stuff.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: The well, the the Trump DHS has been very explicit
Speaker 7: that there is no right to video tape federal agents
Speaker 7: in public. There that that to video tape them, even
Speaker 7: when they're wearing masks, yes to them and uh and uh,
Speaker 7: and that that is considered to be a crime and
Speaker 7: the federal agents are entitled to use force to shut
Speaker 7: that down. And as you mentioned, there's been a Supreme
Speaker 7: Court has not made this explicit, but there have been
Speaker 7: a number of federal Appeals Court rulings that said, look,
Speaker 7: you know, people have got to write to video tape
Speaker 7: the police, uh in public. I mean there's there's a
Speaker 7: certain point where the video tape could become two a
Speaker 7: grass server too interfering. But I mean there are you know,
Speaker 7: there's lots of the uh d Trump supporters would like
Speaker 7: to have a five mile zone of no cameras.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess are they going to go around Jim
Speaker 2: and are they going to arrest Flock and Amazon for
Speaker 2: the ring cameras and stuff, because we got cameras everywhere
Speaker 2: in our society now, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 2: and most of us aren't wearing masks when that's happening
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 7: Well, And it's just it's it's it's interesting how you have.
Speaker 7: You've got two sides here. One, you've got total secrecy
Speaker 7: for the FEDS, they've got their face masks, nobody's got
Speaker 7: no age, has got a name, and people got no
Speaker 7: right to know the name of the agents that killed somebody.
Speaker 7: And on the flip side, you've got total surveillance. You
Speaker 7: got these these ages going around and sticking cameras in
Speaker 7: people's faces and saying that that that they're a face
Speaker 7: and the name will be in a database.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so the terrorists or whatever protests or.
Speaker 2: Database somebody does that to me, I tell them spell
Speaker 2: my name right, let me give it to you just
Speaker 2: in case.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's it's kind of late for me
Speaker 7: to worry about.
Speaker 3: Being a NOO data basis. That's right.
Speaker 2: You know, their society, I guess, Jim, we could look
Speaker 2: at it. Their their model for society is a one
Speaker 2: way mirror, right, you know where they are On the
Speaker 2: opposite side, of the mirror. You know, you look at
Speaker 2: it and you don't see them at all. You you
Speaker 2: only see yourself that's there, as they as they're putting
Speaker 2: you in the databases that are there, but you're not.
Speaker 3: Allowed to see anything they have.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's it's important to keep in mind. Donald
Speaker 7: Trump has often said he's going to make America great again,
Speaker 7: but he never says he's gonna make America free again
Speaker 7: or make America constitutional. And Trump's idea of America great
Speaker 7: and it seems to be focused on the presidential power.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, he's going to make all power. It's
Speaker 2: going to make it's gonna make America a monarchy again.
Speaker 7: Well, and what's appalling to me is you got so
Speaker 7: many conservatives who are cheerleading for that. Yeah, I'm just thinking,
Speaker 7: are you that here historically ill literate exactly, But to
Speaker 7: ask that question is to answer it.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, what are you trying to conserve at this point?
Speaker 2: You know, we've had the terms neo con We need
Speaker 2: to come up with something for the Trump Trump cons
Speaker 2: or something like that which says that they don't adhere
Speaker 2: to any principles of individual liberty or economic liberty or
Speaker 2: the rule of law whatever, that's.
Speaker 3: A Trump con.
Speaker 2: We're just here for loyalty to Trump because that gets
Speaker 2: us jobs.
Speaker 3: It gets us money.
Speaker 7: The highest freedom, Yeah, that's right, that is the highest
Speaker 7: free having the opportunity to obey Donald Trump's orders. And
Speaker 7: it's like and it's it's unfortunate because Trump has some
Speaker 7: good ideas, He's had some good policies. I had a
Speaker 7: story in New York Post last Sunday on Trump's talking
Speaker 7: about banning the red light cameras and the speed cameras
Speaker 7: in Washington, d C. I mean, those things are an
Speaker 7: absolute menace. They caused so many accents, They've killed people.
Speaker 2: So I didn't see that he said that. I would
Speaker 2: agree with that, but I don't think that he'll do it.
Speaker 7: I don't think Trump had not said that. But if
Speaker 7: someone in his transportation apartment, oh okay to ban those
Speaker 7: bend those cameras, and yeah, it's it's a great example
Speaker 7: of how how the government can be a scoundrel because
Speaker 7: what happens is you have those red light cameras put
Speaker 7: in in order to maximize revenue. What they do is
Speaker 7: shorten the yellow light. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, and then
Speaker 7: cause a lot of accidents and fatalities.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was surprised because wait a minute, does Trump
Speaker 2: ever even drive a car?
Speaker 3: You know, this is one of the things when you.
Speaker 7: See no, no, I mean, and this is.
Speaker 3: About this.
Speaker 7: You know, this is a fascinating angle on it too,
Speaker 7: because I assume that Trump has had bodyguards going back
Speaker 7: for the last thirty or forty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Sure, and his absolute contempt for Second Amendment rights. Yes,
Speaker 7: of anybody going to their protest is supposed to disarm
Speaker 7: and put themselves of the mercy of the feds. I mean,
Speaker 7: this is such And you.
Speaker 2: Can see that with that other elitist billionaire Scott Bessant,
Speaker 2: who gets a free pass. We're working for Soros from
Speaker 2: the MAGA people for some reason. And when he's saying,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, I can't imagine anybody taking a gun
Speaker 2: to a protest or whatever. And it's like he said,
Speaker 2: I've been at protest. I didn't take guns.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 2: I said to my wife, I said, they were probably protesting. Bessant,
Speaker 2: that's a good point. Probably I get to Wall Street
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I've had the experience of being a
Speaker 7: protest where there were guns, in protests where the guns
Speaker 7: were banned, and it's like, you know, eh, it's life.
Speaker 7: It's like, I mean, guns are part of the American
Speaker 7: way of life, and it's also a symbol of American freedom.
Speaker 3: So that's right.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've said this multiple times on airs and said he
Speaker 2: said that.
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 2: The safest protest I was at was a protest at
Speaker 2: the Alamo where they were trying to get the carry
Speaker 2: laws changed in Texas. And you have hundreds of people
Speaker 2: with the rifles slung over their shoulders and police left
Speaker 2: everybody alone. It's a great deterrent to violence.
Speaker 3: You know, Well, this is it.
Speaker 7: I mean, the the it was fascinating to see the
Speaker 7: absolute panic by the federal agents as soon as someone
Speaker 7: says gun gon gun. Oh, we got to shoot him
Speaker 7: ten times. Yeah, I mean that was an absolute disgrace.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: They were beating the hell out of this guy who
Speaker 7: THEYD knocked to the ground unjustifiably, and then they panicked
Speaker 7: and killed him. And it's like, how on the hell
Speaker 7: anybody can uphold that kind of behavior or see it
Speaker 7: as a model or say, yeah, but he was a
Speaker 7: bad guy because he voted for Tim Waltz. You know whatever,
Speaker 7: I don't care.
Speaker 2: That's right, And I don't care about what happened, you know,
Speaker 2: in that video from the BBC that was released on
Speaker 2: Wednesday went viral on Wednesday. I really that's not relevant
Speaker 2: to this particular case. First of all, said, look, you
Speaker 2: can see the gun is stuck in the in the
Speaker 2: back of his waistband there in his back. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he didn't pull it out, right, So what's the deal.
Speaker 2: They didn't kill him either, you know, so so if
Speaker 2: they could deal with that.
Speaker 7: Then yeah, it's totally appalling to see Trump talking as
Speaker 7: if anyone, anybody with a gun should be presumed guilty,
Speaker 7: especially if they've got a second magazine. And how many
Speaker 7: bullets did the cops carry.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I was at the I was at the Bundy
Speaker 2: Ranch stand off there.
Speaker 3: On the ground.
Speaker 7: Oh that was a great one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a big win because what was good about
Speaker 2: that it wasn't just a protest.
Speaker 3: They had a specific thing that they wanted.
Speaker 2: They said, we want the cows back, you know, so
Speaker 2: that you stole from us, Okay, and so it was
Speaker 2: very interesting. But one of the things that came up
Speaker 2: in the aftermath of that when they came after several
Speaker 2: people and sent some of them to jail. They had
Speaker 2: a picture of a guy who was up above on
Speaker 2: the uh, on the road, yeah, trying to present him
Speaker 2: as a sniper, and he was down. Uh, this is
Speaker 2: one of the protesters side, and he was down behind
Speaker 2: this concrete barrier there, you know, road road barrier, and
Speaker 2: so was a woman behind him. And so in the
Speaker 2: court case they said, so, why is the defense attorney
Speaker 2: They were trying to make this guy out to be
Speaker 2: the aggressor and the only threat that was there. And
Speaker 2: the defense attorney says, so why were you bending downside? Sorry,
Speaker 2: you can't ask that question. You know, obviously he's hiding
Speaker 2: behind the concrete barrier because they were threatening to shoot us, right,
Speaker 2: And they said, you can't ask that question.
Speaker 7: Well, there's a that's the case I wrote about for
Speaker 7: USA Today and it's fascinating a cross of that case.
Speaker 7: And part of the reason there were armed people there
Speaker 7: was was the Bundee's fear the FBI put snipers around
Speaker 7: their house to kill them.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh they did, Ridge, Yeah, they did.
Speaker 2: They had There was actually some of the guys there
Speaker 2: cleaned out a sniper is nest. One night there and
Speaker 2: that's interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I wasn't aware of that, but I know
Speaker 7: the there was a federal judge. Her first name was Gloria,
Speaker 7: Hispanic lady. But so the so the Feds, I think
Speaker 7: in the retrial of maybe the bundies themselves, the Feds
Speaker 7: finally admitted that yes, they did have snipers around the
Speaker 7: land or the home of the Abundanes, and so there
Speaker 7: was a real threat, whereas what the what the Obama
Speaker 7: people had done was trying to portray them and then
Speaker 7: the Trump people as well. Uh, it's betrayed those protesters
Speaker 7: as just kind of complete liars on trustworthy troublemakers because
Speaker 7: they were saying they were FBI snipers around their house
Speaker 7: and of course that's nonsense. But when they when it
Speaker 7: finally came out, the federal judge was so furious, I
Speaker 7: think that she just threw the entire case out of court.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: They would have hung all of them. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: if there had been there was a BLM agent who
Speaker 2: became a whistleblower, well.
Speaker 7: He was great, he was great, and if it had gone.
Speaker 2: If it hadn't been for him, that judge would have
Speaker 2: railroaded because they did already send several people to prison
Speaker 2: for long prison stances, and I didn't follow up on
Speaker 2: that to see if they got a pardon with it
Speaker 2: or not. But basically, with the whistleblower's information, she realized
Speaker 2: that they'd been lying to her and that got her angry,
Speaker 2: and so she acquitted them with you know, prejudice or
Speaker 2: what so they couldn't come after them again. But she
Speaker 2: had been really rough in terms of shutting down obvious
Speaker 2: questions like that, you know, why is this person hiding
Speaker 2: a crouched down behind a concrete burier like that, and
Speaker 2: other people who didn't have guns were doing the same thing,
Speaker 2: and it was simply the answer is because I was
Speaker 2: there heard them yelling get back, you know, disperse, we're
Speaker 2: going to shoot, you know, and they had their guns
Speaker 2: pointed at us.
Speaker 7: Wow. Yeah, well, well it's pretty just good that. It's
Speaker 7: good that didn't make you lose faith in the system.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any faith in the system to start with,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I didn't lose any more faith in the system. Well, no,
Speaker 2: I don't have any faith in the system at all.
Speaker 3: It's a.
Speaker 2: That's great, Well, tell us what you're up to. And
Speaker 2: I see a book there in the back.
Speaker 3: Last Rights. Is that a recent publication that you have?
Speaker 7: Oh, that's the most recent book I've got, Last Rights.
Speaker 7: It's an update of all the different government crimes and
Speaker 7: abuses I did Loss Rights over thirty years ago, and
Speaker 7: Last Rights is how things have gotten a lot worse
Speaker 7: since nineteen ninety four when the Loss Rights came out.
Speaker 2: I was scraped in the bottom of the barrel. Now
Speaker 2: at this point, aren't we It's.
Speaker 7: Well, well, there's a lot of good examples to write about,
Speaker 7: but I don't know how much good it does. So
Speaker 7: I've got the books I've got. I write for various
Speaker 7: think tanks, Meazies, libertarians to a Future Freedom Foundation. I
Speaker 7: do suffer New York posts. I do for some magazines.
Speaker 7: I've done some stuff recently for a reason, So you know,
Speaker 7: here and there, just just trying to hustle and keep
Speaker 7: positive cash flow.
Speaker 2: And again, when you look at somebody who I've never
Speaker 2: seen more open contempt for the First Amendment than Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: I think he's surpassed Richard Nixon on this.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 3: Ten that he's got against a Wall Street journal that
Speaker 3: you've written for.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean Trump and his lawsuits is like
Speaker 7: ten billion dollars because you said I sent a birthday card. Yeah,
Speaker 7: here's the freaking card. Okay, Well yeah, but you know,
Speaker 7: but I'm still suing you. It's like, I mean, there's uh,
Speaker 7: this is called slapsuits.
Speaker 3: What's the it's an actatategic.
Speaker 7: Lawsuit against public participation, I think is how the acronym goes.
Speaker 7: But Trump has done that so much. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 7: so I mean, uh, okay, I mean one of the
Speaker 7: things was most the soundings is that I think Trump
Speaker 7: was suing sixty minutes because of how they edited an
Speaker 7: interview with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 7: And and you had you had the White House Cress
Speaker 7: sectory threatening a massive lawsuit. If was that CBS did
Speaker 7: any editing of Trump's uh, Trump's interview or with them recently.
Speaker 7: It's kind of like, so editing is now a crime
Speaker 7: or what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do any editing. Yeah, everybody has to do editing.
Speaker 7: I mean, the.
Speaker 3: You got a time you got to fit this into.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, if I Trump was sparded, he
Speaker 7: would realize he needs an editor as much as anybody
Speaker 7: his good lord, he I mean, you know, going on
Speaker 7: for two hours, it's like he's inspired by Fidel Castro.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. Yeah, so you got your ticket yet
Speaker 3: for the Millennia premiere that's going to be today, So
Speaker 3: buy a ticket.
Speaker 2: You can have a private screening because you'll be the
Speaker 2: only person in the theater.
Speaker 7: Well, this is this is gonna be interesting. I mean,
Speaker 7: I hope that there's not a war to distract how
Speaker 7: the movie does badly.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of interesting. You know, we're talking about
Speaker 2: the law suits about don't talk about me and Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein things like that, because they threatened a lot of
Speaker 2: people Milania did with lawsuits, as well as Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And I think it's gonna be kind of interesting what
Speaker 2: happens with Michael wolf because they had threats of lawsuits
Speaker 2: for people who are repeating what Michael Wolfe had said,
Speaker 2: essentially that about Jeffrey Epstein, and I thought, well, why
Speaker 2: don't they sue him. He's the one who is a
Speaker 2: source of information. So they threatened him with that, and
Speaker 2: he said, Okay, that's it, I'm going to sue you.
Speaker 2: So he's kind of kicked that off. It'll be interesting
Speaker 2: to see how that develops. I think we'll get more
Speaker 2: from out of that. Then we will out of any
Speaker 2: of the Epstein documents that are setting on Pam Bondi's
Speaker 2: desk purportedly.
Speaker 7: Well, it's just it's it's so brazen that the Trump
Speaker 7: folks have got total contempt for disclosure, contempt for federal law,
Speaker 7: contempt for their president's own promises, and the top law
Speaker 7: enforcement officials promising, and it's like, Okay, it's almost as
Speaker 7: if they have decided that they don't need any credibility
Speaker 7: with most Americans and almost all the media because they're
Speaker 7: so powerful, they're so wonderful, or that they can get
Speaker 7: away with anything. So it's that's Nixon like in a way,
Speaker 7: as you said earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well, you kind of got to start with Roger Stone,
Speaker 2: who's got a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things though thought was me.
Speaker 2: I worked there at Info Wars for a while, and
Speaker 2: you know, Rogers got that tattoo of Richard Nixon.
Speaker 3: How does that square with the idea of being libertarian?
Speaker 3: I never could figure that one out.
Speaker 7: So well, yeah, I mean it's I won't I will
Speaker 7: not ask you any questions about a former employer in
Speaker 7: his position on the shooting.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, exactly, Alex Jones, It's been disgraceful.
Speaker 3: I tweeted about that.
Speaker 2: I got a lot of people angry at me because
Speaker 2: one I said, I said, I can't believe I ever
Speaker 2: worked for this guy, but he completely flipped on the
Speaker 2: police state. I mean he did documentary after documentary about
Speaker 2: now he is all cheering it, you know, as as
Speaker 2: well as foreign warriors. I mean, he's just you know,
Speaker 2: money talks, I guess, and we can kind of assume
Speaker 2: who's paying him.
Speaker 3: You know. Wow, it's truly amazing.
Speaker 7: Oh, I might pay off his next libel lawsuit losing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Well, Jim is great talking to you as always, And
Speaker 2: again the book is last, right, so that's your most
Speaker 2: recent one, and people get that anywhere books are sold,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, and they can find your your website which
Speaker 2: will have I guess links to any of the articles
Speaker 2: that since you write for so many different outlets, they
Speaker 2: can go to Jim Bovar and find your op ed
Speaker 2: pieces there in your articles. That's the best place for
Speaker 2: them to find you.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: So yeah, Hey, thanks so much for having me on,
Speaker 7: Thanks for your kind words, and thanks for keeping up
Speaker 7: the fight.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you and thank you for all the work
Speaker 2: in the research that you have turned up. I've done
Speaker 2: some very valuable research with that. Thank you, Jim, appreciate it.
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