WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:02.560 It's with d Y. 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:11.199 I'm all right, welcome back everyone, and we're going from 3 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.599 an hour that was really a fun hour with Joeke 4 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:20.120 of State Leone to a much more serious issue, much 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.480 more serious topic. In the Boston Herald today there was 6 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:30.399 an article by Rick Sobe which talks about an effort 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:36.119 that is now underway by an organization called Students and 8 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:40.000 we can probably probably put question quotation markets around students, 9 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:45.320 but students for Justice in Palatine Palestine. This is at 10 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.280 a moment as we're approaching the anniversary of the horrific 11 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:55.479 October massacre of last October seventh, and this so called 12 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:59.679 week of rage, that's what they're calling it, a week 13 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:04.760 of age across college campuses, according to Rick Sobey, is 14 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.000 sickening those in the Jewish community. You can understand why 15 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:12.480 this week of rage will also bracket some of the 16 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:16.079 holy days of the Jewish calendar, which culminates next week 17 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:20.599 with Yam Kapor and has already started with Rashashana. If 18 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:24.280 you want to go to the website National Students for 19 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:28.799 Justice in Palestine, you'll see what I'm talking about and 20 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:30.959 some of the language that they use. I just want 21 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:33.599 to just touch on this quickly, and then I want 22 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.120 to have as many of you respond to this as possible. 23 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:41.120 They write, for over eleven months now, the Zionist entity 24 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.239 that's what they call Israel, with the backing of the 25 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.719 US and our universities, has committed a horrific assault in 26 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.920 the nearly two million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip. 27 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:55.000 Since the start of this genocide, the people of Gaza 28 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:58.400 have continued to stand steadfast, resilient, and unwavering in the 29 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:01.680 face of these crimes. It is for them that we rise. 30 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.719 This is the statement in part from the National Students 31 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:09.840 for Justice and Palestine. Forgetting, of course, that Israel never 32 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:13.199 started this problem. This problem was started on October seventh 33 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:19.199 by himas joining us now is a longtime friend of 34 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:22.840 this program, a journalist, a lawyer in Boston with a 35 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:28.120 great law firm, Minskin Levin, a First Amendment specialist. Jeff Robbins, Jeff, 36 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.680 welcome back tonight's side. I'm happy you're here. I'm not 37 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.319 happy under the circumstances on which you're joining us tonight. 38 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:36.599 How are you this evening? 39 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.639 Dan? Thank you so much for having me in. More fundamentally, 40 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.159 thank you for the attention that you insist, persist in 41 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:49.840 focusing on this ananity, this moral depravity that we have 42 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:55.199 of people celebrating, celebrating the slaughter of innocence and actually 43 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:00.560 mocking the victims, victims who are victims of kidnapping, rape, 44 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:08.919 being blown apart, being executed at gunpoint, and all out 45 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:13.800 of a genocidal urged by a genocidal organization to slaughter Jews, 46 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:19.159 and supported amazingly by students who regard themselves as progressives 47 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:23.639 and as humanitarians. It beggars the imagination well. 48 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.120 Their slogan from the River to the Sea, Palestine will 49 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.560 be free, clearly, as Rick Sobey writes today, and as 50 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:35.719 the Anti Defamation League says in his column, is an 51 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.680 anti Semitic slogan. It calls for a Palestinian state, quoting 52 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.919 now from Rick Sobey's piece of the and the Boston Herald, 53 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.680 extending from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, territory 54 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.080 that includes the state of Israel, which would mean the 55 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.039 dismantling of the Jewish state. How can college students in 56 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:59.479 America be so naive to allow themselves to be really 57 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:06.280 pawns by this group that has, you know, their instincts, 58 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.199 If not their actions, certainly their instincts are terrorist. How 59 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.360 can so many college students allow themselves to be to 60 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:17.959 be used in this way as unwitting accomplices. I mean, 61 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.040 did they teach anything in high school and college today 62 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:27.240 about world history, about what happened you know, seventy or 63 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.720 eighty years ago, you know, eighty eighty five years ago 64 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:35.279 in Europe? What does none of this ring bells in 65 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.800 their heads. I just don't understand it. I mean, I 66 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:40.319 can understand where you can have people who are just 67 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:47.360 clearly anti Semitic, the the offspring of the far right 68 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:50.800 from a couple of generations ago, who have now fantastasized 69 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:55.160 over on the far left. But you see these these 70 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:59.000 crowds out in the street, Jeff, and it's like, what's 71 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:00.879 going to happen on college campus? Is in the next 72 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.560 few weeks? Next week? Actually? 73 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.720 Yeah? Well, as you have before, you've posed the question, 74 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:11.519 the profound question, which is, how can people be sucked 75 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:20.959 up or gulled or basically dumbed down into embracing something 76 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.920 which is just antithetical to human decency. You've got a 77 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:30.240 group that has has its purpose annihilating Jews, that invades 78 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:36.040 another country, annihilates twelve hundred is only stopped eventually. They 79 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.800 tended to annihilate even more than twelve hundred. Rapes, People 80 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:43.399 blows them to pieces, kidnaps them, babies, toddlers, holds them 81 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.319 in tunnels. And you have to beg and plead to 82 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.040 have people who hold themselves out as humanitarians and as 83 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:55.759 progressives say, you know, that's just unequivocally outrageous and it 84 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.439 has to be stopped. And it's not enough to simply 85 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.800 say always real has the right to do itself, as 86 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.160 though you know that in and of itself means anything, 87 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:07.279 but that Israel has an obligation to prevent this from 88 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.720 happening again. And to look one step further, some of 89 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.759 these students, who you might imagine have the wit to 90 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.720 understand this, that what has happened here is not quote 91 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.800 unquote only to slaughter Jews, but to consign tens of 92 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:25.399 thousands of Palestinians to death, which is exactly what Hamas 93 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.199 sought to bring about and has brought about. It does 94 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:34.319 not take Einstein to understand how morally depraved this conduct was, 95 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.240 and how morally depraved it is to support it, or 96 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.959 embrace it, or whitewash it. And yet, as you point out, 97 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:41.560 that's the dilemma we have. 98 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:46.000 My guest is Jeff Robbins. Jeff, as I said, is 99 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:51.639 a journalist, a syndicated columnist. Is columns up here once 100 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.759 a week in the Boston Herald, amongst other newspapers. He's 101 00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:01.759 a lawyer, first amendment scholar with Minskin Levin, a representative 102 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.639 of the Clinton administration at the United Nations on the 103 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:08.839 whole questions a question of human rights. We see what's 104 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.959 going on. We saw what happened yesterday, one hundred and 105 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:19.199 eighty two hundred ballistic missiles fired in on Israel. If 106 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:22.639 Israel did not have the defense system that they have 107 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.920 and that they have built, if it were on fire 108 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:29.560 two hundred ballistic missiles in on any other country in 109 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.399 the Middle East, that country would have been obliterated. Thank 110 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.720 God that Israel has the Iron Dome and some other 111 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:41.120 ways in which most of these missiles were knocked down. 112 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.920 But I just if there are people out there who 113 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.759 are empathetic, I'd love to hear from you. And if 114 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.480 there are people out there who are just sick of it, 115 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:53.800 and I don't want to go through what we went 116 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:58.480 through last fall. It cost university presidents their jobs because 117 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.839 they had no backbone. They didn't even know how to 118 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.879 respond to questions that were asked of them in Congress. 119 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:11.360 These were college presidents. I hope, and I really mean that, 120 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.759 I hope that there is order maintained so that students 121 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:19.560 can go to classes. Jeff, you're a First Amendment scholar. 122 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:24.480 You represent people on First Amendment cases. These students, they 123 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:29.399 have the right to protest, but the protest always gets 124 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.679 to the point where a building is occupied, where Jewish 125 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:36.960 students are harassed, where Jewish students are prevented from actually 126 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.000 entering onto the campus that they have paid their tuition to. 127 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.279 Why is it that these college administrators don't understand there 128 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:45.960 is a difference between speech and action. 129 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:50.480 Well, for one thing, let's let's call a spade a spade. 130 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.720 There is a certain amount of gutlessness and fear that 131 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:58.480 pervades university administration buildings. They're afraid of students, they're afraid 132 00:08:58.519 --> 00:08:59.200 of faculty. 133 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:00.600 You have, for. 134 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:04.480 Example, the president of Brandeis Ron Leebwoods, who resigned a 135 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.360 couple of days ago after the faculty voted by a 136 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.399 narrow margin, by a ten vote margin, a no confidence resolution. 137 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:17.399 Why the no confidence resolution, apparently because he had expelled 138 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.480 Students for Justice in Palestine, when they had disrupted campus, 139 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:25.120 when they had vandalized the campus, when they had intimidated kids. 140 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:32.120 So you have faculty being just as witless in some 141 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:37.559 cases as the students are not all faculty but a 142 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.840 group of faculty, And so you have university halls and 143 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:48.679 college administrations petrified of blowback if they have the stones. 144 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.799 I think that's the first Amendment phrase, to stand up 145 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:54.159 and say no, you can't do that, you can't do that. 146 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:57.840 So there's been a wave of intimidation on campuses on 147 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:01.799 many levels. Jewish kids are intimidated. Non Jewish kids who 148 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.320 are who have an inkling that they want to stand 149 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:09.279 up for their Jewish friends and against this crap are intimidated. 150 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.519 You've got intimidation and university halls and it is purposeful 151 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:16.200 and frankly, Students for Justice in Palestine, as you point out, 152 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.600 you can put quotes around students, quotes around justice and 153 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:23.720 quotes around Palestine is an organization that has gotten very, 154 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.399 very effective at intimidating people. And that's this is where 155 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.120 the rubber meets the road. Whether or not people students 156 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:36.799 faculty Jewish non Jewish administrations, whether they stand up to 157 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.679 the intimidation or not. We're going to see whether that 158 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:39.720 happens this school year. 159 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:42.840 When we get back, I want to talk a little 160 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:47.000 bit about the amount of financial support that many of 161 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:51.720 these universities are receiving from Middle Eastern countries and whether 162 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.960 or not that plays a role in their lack of 163 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.679 spine or their seeming lack of spine. My name is 164 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.159 Dan Ray. This is Nightside. I'd love to have you 165 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.120 join the conversation, whatever your point of view on this is, 166 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.320 because we need to talk about this, and that's why 167 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:14.480 we're doing this tonight. Tonight is Thursday. The anniversary Tonight 168 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:19.399 is Thursday, October third. The anniversary of what happened a 169 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:23.559 year ago will be on Monday, and it was timed 170 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:28.320 that way, I'm sure, by Hamas, to do it during 171 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.720 a period of time of reflection and prayer in Israel, 172 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:38.000 and here we have a year later. As opposed to 173 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:43.360 all of us memorializing and remembering those who were lost 174 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:47.200 and those who were still captive, Students for Justice and 175 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.639 Palace Design are going to try to turn it around 176 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:54.240 and turn the spotlight away from the real victims towards 177 00:11:54.639 --> 00:12:00.080 what they claim a victims Palestinians who live in Gaza. 178 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.600 But those Palestinians have been placed in the line of fire. 179 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:08.320 They are basically being held against their will by Hamas 180 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:13.600 in Gaza. And you know, Hamas from a tactical point 181 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.279 of view, has been brilliant, but from a moral point 182 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:19.720 of view, absolutely corrupt. We'll be back on nightside if 183 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.200 you'd like to join the conversation from whatever point of view. 184 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:24.879 Six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty, six 185 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.480 one seven, nine, three one ten thirty and triple eight 186 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:30.639 nine to nine, ten thirty were back on night side 187 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:37.200 with my friend Jeff Robins, who has stood on the side. 188 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.039 And by the way, you know, Jeff and I disagree 189 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:42.000 on a lot of political things, but in this we 190 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:47.399 are united, okay, as every American should be united. Never again. 191 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:51.120 We are seeing the beginnings of something that we should 192 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:57.200 that we should denounce immediately, immediately and forcefully. And unfortunately 193 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.639 many people are quiet. They are they are averting their 194 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.440 stay or they were averting their eyes, and they are 195 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:08.720 nonetheless contributing to what could be could be a holocaust, 196 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:13.399 even worse, if it's possible, then what happened because there 197 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:17.840 were six million Jewish people who were killed by Hitler 198 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.399 Germany and his henchmen. This is a group of people 199 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.240 who want to eradicate a nation, a nation because they 200 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:27.639 happen to be Jewish. Back on Nightside after. 201 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:31.840 This, Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World. 202 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.759 Night Side Studios on w b Z the news Radio, 203 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.080 back with Jeff Ross Robins. He used to work with 204 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:42.840 a guy named Jeff Ross for a long time ago. 205 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.120 I was the news director of w BZ TV. But 206 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:49.000 this is Jeff Robins, Boston attorney with Mince Levin, former 207 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.000 head of the Anti Defamation League here in New England, 208 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:58.960 a journalist and a student of Israel. He also teaches 209 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.320 courses in in different colleges, so at least one of 210 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.480 which I know of which need not be mentioned, but 211 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.360 it's an Avy League college. So we'll leave it right 212 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:10.960 like that. Let's go. We're talking about We're going to 213 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.799 talk about Israel and about what may be happening in 214 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:17.679 American college campuses in the weeks in this next week ahead. 215 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.200 They have said what they want to do, and generally, 216 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.080 when these radical groups say what they want to do, 217 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:25.600 they do exactly that Davis in San Antonio, Texas. Dave, 218 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:27.480 you first, this hour and nightsager. 219 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:34.559 Right ahead, Oh god, how you doing. You know, I'm 220 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:39.720 half Jewish, half black, and my father, my grandfather, when 221 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.639 he was over in this country, he parked his car 222 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.559 in front of a railroad car and left the home 223 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:47.639 note let the note home saying I'm worthboard Dad alive 224 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.600 because are the persecution that he suffered at that time. 225 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.200 I think that you got to you got to stop 226 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:04.639 talking giving those kids the attention that they're getting. Society 227 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:09.679 should metaphorically put a privacy sensor around that school, keep 228 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.120 their kids from going to that school, elect officials that 229 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.559 will limited export exchange students from attending that school, and 230 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:19.200 teach them a financial lesson. 231 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.639 Well, it's just not one school, Dave, Dave, it's just 232 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.799 not one school. This was on campuses across the country. 233 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:28.600 Uh you know from M I T. 234 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:34.240 Yeah, your your your ivy league and your elite thing, 235 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:36.960 your elite ones were ones where all the rich people 236 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:43.440 are there, not the majority. It's smart majority. 237 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.200 Let's have a conversation. Okay, okay, all right, it is. 238 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.440 There were campuses all over the country. Okay, including you're 239 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.799 far from the majority. Okay, you know what, Dave, let 240 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.639 me step aside. Let's let mister Robbins respond to you 241 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.399 and see if you can control yourself and agent a 242 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:02.320 conversation with him, because you're not able to gauge your 243 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:04.320 conversation with me. Go ahead, Jeff, good luck. 244 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.159 Well, Dan's obviously right, this is non isolated instance. It 245 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:13.200 kind of took on a wave across certain college campuses. 246 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.240 You're right that it wasn't all college campuses, but it's 247 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.960 it's it's kind of difficult to ignore something as profound 248 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:24.639 as what occurred. I think Dan is right, you know, 249 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:28.320 to the to the ninth power here, it is morally 250 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:34.159 depraved to celebrate the slaughter of civilians. It is morally 251 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.360 I guess my point is that, Dave, do me a favor. 252 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.360 You can interrupt me, but if you interrupt the guests, 253 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:45.480 you're going to walk the plank. So just listen to 254 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.679 what Jeff has to say and then comment. It's called 255 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.080 a conversation. You're going to enjoy it. Go ahead, Jeff. 256 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:55.080 I understand the hope that you can kind of ignore 257 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.120 this and not pay attention to it, would that it 258 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.360 were so. I think the point is that it's so 259 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:07.240 profoundly morally depraved. It reflects so badly on our campuses 260 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.559 and on certain segments of our society, on basic decency, 261 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:13.960 that it's just very tough to ignore it, tough to 262 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:15.079 the point of impossible. 263 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:20.119 I think, I agree with you, but you don't have 264 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.519 any law enforcement in this country that's going to do 265 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.000 anything to make them people regret what they're doing. 266 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:35.680 Well, I mean, you know, you raise generally. 267 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.319 Jed Dave. He was starting to formulate. 268 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.799 Okay, wow, I haven't finished yet. 269 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:47.160 A couple of things. A couple of things. I mean, 270 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:53.400 there is you know, beyond law enforcement. You can't apply 271 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:59.920 law enforcement to loathsome views. The more fundamental problem is 272 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.599 the loathsomeness of the views, the ignorance. I mean, I've 273 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.000 said often that I don't think a lot of these 274 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.480 students can tell you the difference between the Gaza strip 275 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:12.519 and the Louisiana purchase. So you've got an ignorance problem. 276 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.880 But as Dan points out, people have really been gulled 277 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:22.880 into a kind of moral witlessness that's really problematic, too problematic, 278 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.559 I agree with Dan, way too problematic to ignore. You 279 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.680 can't it's not a law enforcement problem. Really fundamentally it's 280 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.480 a problem much deeper than that. 281 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.519 They're almost like useful idiots in the sense that they 282 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:40.880 apparently know nothing of history. They know nothing of World 283 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:43.359 War two and the events leading up to World War two. 284 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:46.839 They know nothing about the founding of the state of Israel. 285 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:50.599 They know nothing of what happened actually happened on October seventh. 286 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.359 But they're out there in the streets. So I don't know, Dave. 287 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:56.799 Let me give you in this conversation, final work. Go 288 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:57.359 right ahead. 289 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.880 I remember a conversation on DAAN that Morgan Freeman was 290 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.039 having with one of the prominent host hosts there, and 291 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.279 at the end of the conversation, the host said to him, 292 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:10.880 what do we do about all this racism here in 293 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:14.119 this country? And Morgan looked at him and said, stop 294 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:14.920 talking about him. 295 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:18.720 Okay, Dave, thank you very much for you call. Appreciate 296 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.079 your call. Maybe what we'll do is we'll stop talking 297 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.720 about it. I won't stop talking about it, but Dave 298 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.160 is welcome to stop talking about it as well. Jeff, 299 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.200 I don't think that's the answer to stop talking about it, 300 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.480 because if you ignore it, just like any sort of 301 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.079 a cancer, if you ignore it, it's only going to 302 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:36.160 metastasize further. 303 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.960 Yeah, it's fanciful to hope you can ignore it. It's 304 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.240 it's way too entit and cancer, truthfully, is a pretty 305 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.519 good analogy. You just got this kind of you know, 306 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:51.880 it's it's cool to celebrate the slaughter of people. It's 307 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.880 okay to embrace that, to celebrate it, to you know, 308 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.920 to advocate for it, to embrace it, to whitewash it 309 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:01.519 for that's too fundamental problems to ignore. 310 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:05.160 I'm afraid, Jeff, I've never asked you this question before, 311 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.640 and I'll be really interested in what you how you answered, 312 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:11.880 not only as my friend, but also as a First 313 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:16.599 Amendment scholar. I believe that the horrors that were inflicted 314 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:23.039 on those innocent civilians last October seventh has never been 315 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.680 shown to the American people. It almost it gets sanitized. 316 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.559 I'm sure you have seen some of the videotape that 317 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.279 were taken by that that was taken by the terrorist 318 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:40.599 and made available. For some reason, the folks who have 319 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:44.519 run network newscasts have said, we don't want to show 320 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.799 this in its full horror to the American people, and 321 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.799 I understand that, But have we got to the point 322 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:55.160 where we need to kind of show people to get 323 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:59.480 their attention and maybe to make them truly understand how horrific, 324 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.839 how horror to think that that morning was. 325 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.039 Yeah, I think you're right. I just think, like I 326 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:13.519 know you do, that the moral failure, the moral frivolity 327 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:17.759 of this segment of the American left, to the American 328 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:24.039 purported left, it's so troublesome, it's so dangerous that you 329 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.960 have to try something to crack, you know, the conscience 330 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.319 of the you know, let's face it, the TikTok generation. 331 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:34.799 And therefore we're not left with anything, I think, other 332 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.720 than to try to show them what it is that occurred, 333 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:43.400 what was deliberately carried out, planned for months, if not years, 334 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:49.160 and that which these particular individuals on campuses or elsewhere 335 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.240 on the left, on the so called progressive side of things, 336 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:54.720 which is a phrase I can't understand in this context, 337 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.119 to try to crack the consciousness so basically people understand, 338 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.720 this is what they're getting behind when they say they're exhilarated, 339 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.720 when they say harmas is us, when they say we 340 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.680 are harmas, that's what they're getting behind. 341 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:11.759 I think you're right, exactly, and I don't know if 342 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:13.839 there's going to be a network. I mean, the network 343 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.279 could put up, hey, folks, get the kids out of 344 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:19.000 the room, or whatever they want. We're going to show 345 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:23.359 this in its full horror so you understand what we're 346 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:28.359 dealing with. I think that, for example, the American people 347 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:33.119 turned against the Vietnam War because the networks showed what 348 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.519 was going on in Vietnam. If they had sanitized that, 349 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:39.880 the war would have gone on longer. There would have 350 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.720 been more Americans who would have died. I just think 351 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:48.480 that sometimes you have to basically say it as it is, 352 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.640 tell it as it is, and maybe even show it 353 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.359 as it is. And we'll take a break. We've got 354 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:56.640 a newscast coming up, and we get back. We'll get 355 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.400 to more phone calls. I'd love to have some of 356 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:01.880 you respond to that. I think that I really think 357 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:05.440 that is necessary. It's one thing to say, oh, children 358 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:09.839 will be headed and women were raped and grandparents were 359 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:12.200 shot and killed in front of the grandchildren. It's something 360 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.160 quite else to show it, to show it and it's 361 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.880 all it's horror. You can use it so that the 362 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.279 faces are not shown. Okay, you can do some editing. 363 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.759 I know that you can do that. Back on Nightside, 364 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:29.240 right after this if you're on the night Side with 365 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:34.680 Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio, Oh, we will 366 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:40.160 be continuing that conversation. Jeff Robbins Boston Herald, a syndicated columnist, 367 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:44.440 also a lawyer of First Amendment lawyer with a mince 368 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:50.119 Levin here in Boston, very powerful law firm. Join the conversation, 369 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:52.799 and if you disagree with what we're saying, and I'd 370 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:54.599 love to find out here from some of you. I 371 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:58.599 think the American public is able to We should have 372 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:02.200 been shown what actually happened, and we got a sanitize version. 373 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.920 We got verbal descriptions that that children were slaughtered in 374 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.920 homes and that people were hand grenades were thrown into 375 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:13.839 you know, it was like very personal killing. So I'll 376 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.720 be interesting if people agree with that or not. As 377 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.079 I said, Jeff, I think it can be sanitized to 378 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:20.880 the point we don't have to show the image of 379 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.680 the person's face, but to show somebody, you know, on 380 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:28.680 the ground who has lost a limb. I think the 381 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:32.960 horror of this, we think about this as like what 382 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.440 we see on television. You know, the bad guy gets 383 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:37.799 shot and he falls over, and we know that's not real. 384 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:40.400 I don't know if we can differentiate as a country 385 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.960 anymore the amount of slaughter that we see in the 386 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:48.359 movies and on television with what is actual slaughtered. Does that? 387 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:50.039 Am I making any sense to you on that? 388 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.319 Yeah, very much so. And you're harkening back to the 389 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:57.599 images of Vietnam and the depth in Vietnam and the effect, 390 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.839 for example, the coverage of the tet offensive nineteen sixty 391 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:06.119 eight had on America is a very apt analogy. I 392 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:09.079 think you're right that words like blowing apart and raping 393 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:13.319 and kidnapping and limbs and all the rest of it, 394 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:19.240 it does not do justice to what occurred. And you know, 395 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:22.960 I think that helps sort of facilitate a kind of 396 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.559 a coldness on the part of some people about what 397 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.000 happened on October seventh. And by the way, let's not 398 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:34.160 forget what happened on October seventh was calculated not just 399 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:38.160 the slaughter Israelis, but to lead immediately to the deaths 400 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.759 of Palestinian civilians, thousands of them. This is the responsibility 401 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:43.680