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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty three, originally published

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on July first, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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Speaker 3: It's not just the clubhead to me, it's their hands.

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Very often when they're swinging, their hands are stopping at

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the ball, and that snaps that clubhead ahead. You'll hit

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behind the ball, that you can hook the ball. There's

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many unfortunate things that can happen on your handstop. So

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I want somebody to take their hands as they're hitting

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the ball and to swing their hands out to the

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target so that ensures that their hands stay forward. We

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don't want to hit at the ball, like you said,

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you want to hit through the ball. So you try

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to think of either hitting through the ball swinging your

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hands to the target. I like to have people pick

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a spot beyond the ball, maybe an inch or two beyond,

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and try to hit the ground or see their club

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go through the grass beyond the ball. It can help

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a tremendous amount in short game and long to actually

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see your club go through the grass pass the ball.

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Speaker 4: And I've also used this opposite effect.

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Speaker 3: People want to get the ball in the air, so

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what they do is they try to flip their hands,

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they stay behind the ball, they fall away. I've told people,

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I want you to hit this ball as low as possible,

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drill it five feet off the ground, and they've made

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perfect golf shots that go exactly the height they're supposed to,

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and they hit them crisply. When somebody tries to hit

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the ball low, they instinctively know, Okay, I've got to

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del off the club. I got to get my hands

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forward and try to hit this ball low and get

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my way to the left.

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Speaker 4: That's how you hit a golf ball.

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Speaker 1: How to take your a game from the range to

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the course With Ken Doherty.

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Speaker 4: This is Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Ken. Thank you,

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it's great to have you back on the show. It's

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great to have you back on the studio. I appreciate

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also let people know you and I recently did a

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video together that's on the golf Smarter YouTube page golf

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Smarter TV. And even though we did it for Marine

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Country Club, I think everybody should be aware of this

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because we did it on course care and little things

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that you should know, and most importantly to me, how

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to clean up your divots on the green.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what we did applies to every golf course, every

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single golf course.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean I now since I feel like, okay,

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this is how you put a rake back in the bunker.

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You know, some people just throw them there, they're in

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the bunker, they're sitting on the side. No, we put

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it down with the handle sticking out.

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Speaker 3: Well, there are different rules when it comes to that

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for different clubs. Some like them in, some like them out.

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So some like the head in with a handle out.

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That's how we do it, but there are different rules

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for there. But as far as fixing a ball mark

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and raking the bunker and things like that, they're pretty standard.

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Speaker 1: And I still go back to my number one rule

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that everyone should be following, which is spend more time

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cleaning up divots on the green than looking for lost balls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah if only, Yeah, okay, I guess so.

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Speaker 1: But today I wanted to talk about taking your a game.

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How do we take our a game from the driving

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range to the golf course? And you and I were

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having a conversation about this once and you mentioned that

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it's a very different type of golf on the range

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because of the balls, your mindset, things like that, and

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I thought it was worth pursuing because there's some tidbits

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in there that someone's gonna be able to walk away

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with going, Okay, I'm going to be a better player

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because of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know where to begin. I mean, there's

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so many variables when it comes to all right, let

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me let me throw one out on the range. The balls, yeah,

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well let's start with that. In most cases, they're very different.

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They're not the quality of the golf ball you use

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on the on the golf course. In fact, we took

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our yardage markers away because we have limited flight golf

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ballsk because we have a little shorter range, and we

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don't feel that are if they hit range ball, If

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they hit a range ball one hundred and fifty yards,

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a good golf ball or one that you take to

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the golf course will go further. So it's really not

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a good indication of how far they're hitting the golf ball.

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So I don't want I don't want that, for lack

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of a better phrase, that false advertisement. I don't want

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them thinking they're hitting at one hundred and fifty yards.

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They go to the golf course, take that eight iron

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or seven iron, and now they're hitting at one hundred

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and sixty hundred and sixty five yards, don't I don't

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think the range should be used for yardage anyways. I

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think that should be used for hitting the ball straight

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and working the ball and working some of those kinks.

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Speaker 1: Out well, I would tend to I don't know if

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I'm gonna disagree with you on this, but where are

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you going to learn how far you hit each club?

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It's really hard to do on the golf course because

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you need to know. It's one of the things that

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I'm having with my right now is like he's really

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complaining he's not very good, and I said, well, learn

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how far you hit each club? You don't know. You're

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asking me if I had a five iron here. I

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don't know how far do you hit a five iron?

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You know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you can do some of that on

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the range, but to be exact and know exactly how

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you hit it. I will tell somebody to go out

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in the late evening when nobody's around, and if you're

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not quite sure how far your clubs go, or how

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far your seven iron goes, or whatever the club you're

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you're looking to find out, take three or four golf

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balls from certain distances and hit them to the green

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using you know, your GPS or whatever device you have

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to see how far. And then you'll know for sure

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because it's on the golf course, it's actual yardage, it's

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the real ball, and so on.

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Speaker 1: That's fine for country clubs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, you're right. It's not an easy task.

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You're right.

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Speaker 1: No, So is there a way? Well, should we basically

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assume that every course is using low compression golf balls

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on the range? Not necessarily, So how do we find

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so we need to find that out before we even

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start hitting balls from them.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not just low compression. I don't think a

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lot of people use the the limited flight golf.

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Speaker 4: Balls as we do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I meant limited flight.

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Speaker 3: But there's also range ball differences from from your average

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golf balls. Some some country clubs use brand new titleists

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or brand new callaways for their range balls. They might

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have a stripe around them, but they're actual golf balls.

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To me, that's realistic. But how many of those practice

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on the Yeah, if they say practice, you know they're

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they're they're not the quality of a golf ball you're

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gonna be playing on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: So how are we able to compute that? When we're like, Okay, good,

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I'm hitting these limited range, limited flight balls. I'm hitting

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at one hundred and fifty yards with my six iron.

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How do I say, okay, So that means with my

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pro V one X, my pro V one, my Dixon

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How do we figure that out?

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Speaker 3: How do we I don't think you can do it exactly.

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And let's just say you've got a bucket of brand

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new range balls. Well, then you can have some idea,

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maybe calculate ten percent or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You're not going to get exact.

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Speaker 3: But the problem with with with most ranges is you've

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got some old golf balls, you've got some new golf balls.

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They're not going to fly the same. I've hit two

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shots that I thought that were the same. One falls

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out of the sky and the other one sails. That's

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too inconsistent for me to to be concerned about how

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far that ball's going.

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Speaker 4: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's a real tough one because that's the first place

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in the uh in the golf course where you definitely

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see a difference. Like I was hitting that one a

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you know, like all day long, I can hit it,

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so I know that for me, what I'll what I'll

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tend to do is with a bucket that has mixed

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balls of old and new, and you eats pretty obvious

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which they are a lot older and which ones are

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a lot newer, just by the shining, because they don't

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really clean them that well, just get the dirt off

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of it. But if it's if it's a beat up ball,

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I'll use that for my short game. I'll just use

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that to work on my stroke for the pitching and

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the chipping, which I do a lot of. Like I

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have one driving range over here Indian Valley that it's

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a line of mats, and what I do is just

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hit over the mat. It's like, Okay, I want to

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hit that mat. Now, I want to hit that because

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there's no one else there. I want to hit the

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third mat. Now, I want to hit the fourth mat,

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you know, and see if I can get it to

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bounce on each mat from thing to think. So I

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take you a much.

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Speaker 3: Better way to practice, actually because you want to You

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want to practice how far you hit the golf ball.

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There's a lot of people that are they look at

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the flag stick, and then there's others that are very

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good at chipping and pitching and they pick at location

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to land the ball. And picking a location to land

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the ball and having a lamb. There is very important.

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Speaker 1: Target oriented golf. So let let's talk about that. Okay, Well,

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I'm glad that I'm doing something right. The thing that's

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hard to figure out then is how long is it

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going to roll? You know, depending on But when we

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talked to Dave Stockton a while ago, he said that

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it's for him, it's all about is it a low

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shot or is it a high shot?

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Speaker 3: And that's how I describe them as well. If I'm

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teaching that, you know, people get confused with different shots

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and chip pitch, whatever you call them. It's a high

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ball or a low ball, and you know, the low

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ball is the one you want to hit as much

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as you can, and the green's going to tell you

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or the surrounding area is going to tell you whether

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you need to hit a high ball, and I think

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you should be hitting the high ball only when forced.

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Speaker 4: Two.

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Speaker 1: You're a big proponent of keeping the ball on the

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ground as long as possible.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, Not only do I believe people are

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more consistent that way, but they eliminate disaster too. You

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take a bigger swing and try to hit it up

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in the air and you miss it slightly, and you

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could hit it right over the green or put the

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club in the ground and leave it right in front

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of you, where if you try to hit it low

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it's more of a short putting type of stroke, or

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certainly below the waist, your inconsistency is much less, and

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obviously you can almost eliminate the disastrous shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've definitely taken to that idea and really

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worked on do I need to hit a high shot

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or a low shot here? Okay, there's a you know,

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there's a sprinkler head there if I just need to

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get over that, all right, So I'm gonna have to

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go a little higher, obviously, but I just want to

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get over it, or there's a bunker in the way,

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or the pin is close to the side of the

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green I'm on. Obviously, you don't want the ball to

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roll a lot. You want to just kind of let

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it land softly and stop.

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Speaker 3: There are some people that are one club chip pitchers

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and they use just their sandwedge or whatever it is, and.

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Speaker 4: If they're good at it, God bless them. Good good.

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Speaker 3: But if you know, if you are struggling or you

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occasionally miss one pretty badly, you probably shouldn't be using

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Speaker 1: Actually, there's a video that I put on our members

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site from Tony Manzoni a great tip about keeping it

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on the ground that when you're on the fringe or

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just off the fringe on the green. He has this

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tip and I've been using it and I cannot believe

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how close I've been getting to the pin with these.

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I take the eight iron and I use it like

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a putter, but I stand it on the toe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, toe down, absolutely, and just use.

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Speaker 1: A putting motion.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, people are like, how'd you do that? It's like,

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it's not that hard. And what's funny to watch when

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I show people when I learned with this is putting

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it on the toe. It makes them very uncomfortable. Yeah,

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people do not like to do that. Yeah, my friends

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don't at least.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw somebody using that method thirty years ago and

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he was very consistent with it. Now, it's not one

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where you want to you're going to hit it a

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long chip. I think that most of the time you're

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going to use that method, you're fairly close because the

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ball doesn't come off hot. It comes off kind of dead,

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which is kind of nice. The ball doesn't get away

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from you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it feels like a putter roll. Yeah, once

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it gets going. And I've never done it where the

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ball was in the air. And when I say in

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the air about six inches off the ground, I've never

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done it where the ball is in the air from

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more than four maybe.

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Speaker 4: Five feet exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I have a friend who likes to use his

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hybrid to do that and just get over.

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Speaker 4: But that ball, that's perfect. When you're immediately around the green,

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around that fringe area, right.

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Speaker 1: The ball explodes off the face of the hybrid.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a very different stroke than a putting

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stroke at that point because it just it goes really

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fast and I'm really good at going in other directions.

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So back to the driving range and the difference between.

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All right, so we started with balls, so there's really

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no way of knowing you know, what kind of balls

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they use. You can ask, but you're really not going

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to be able to send. So you're just saying, and

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even the older balls in these buckets that have lost

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a lot of the dimples that are worn out, are

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you going to be able to tell if you you're

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hitting the ball straight that day?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to be less curvature with a

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ball that doesn't have any dimples. So it's you know,

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I a lot of times ago it depends on the

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golf balls. But if they're not very good to me,

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that's just stretching an exercise more than practice.

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Speaker 1: So work on your short game with those bat absolutely, yeah, okay,

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all right, so just no way to know. So and

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I'm surprised that you took away the yardage things. I would.

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Speaker 4: Well think about it.

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Speaker 3: If I've got range balls that are fifteen anywhere from

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ten to fifteen percent less plus, we're hitting a little uphill.

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Speaker 1: Right, you're hitting up hills.

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Speaker 3: You've got somebody who normally hits a seven iron, and

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I'll just throw a figure out there. One hundred and

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forty five yards and now they're hitting it one hundred

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and thirty five yards and coming to me wondering, you know,

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or they're misjudging when they're going to the golf course

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and vice versa. It's just it's not a good representation

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of what they're actually doing. So I don't want to

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give them any false advertisement and believe it or not.

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I you know, out of five hundred golfers over there,

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well more than that, five hundred memberships and eight or

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nine hundred golfers, I had two people ask me about

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where they were.

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Speaker 4: No one else, really, two people.

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Speaker 1: That's it really, So it's not that big of an issue. Now,

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what is the issue that comes back to you? What

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are the members come back to you with this? I'm

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having an issue with the driving range.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's what we're going to talk about today.

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Speaker 3: Is I hit the ball great on the driving range,

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but I can't take it to the golf course.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, before we get there, how about the

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difference between hitting off of mats versus hitting off of grass.

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Speaker 3: Mats are very forgiving, and again it's not a true

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test of compression, and where you're hitting on the ground,

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you can hit behind the ball on a mat and

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get away with it right.

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Speaker 1: You can hit the ground first exactly and you're going

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to get a good stroke off against Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah again, I much prefer as most players probably prefer

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to be off the grass because there's a true test

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versus the mats, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: And some mats are very different. I mean, you guys

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have really nice cushiony mats that I mean they don't

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even the bottom of the bottom of your clubs don't

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turn green on those.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you what, if you

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want to give a lesson and have it be successful,

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put them on the mats.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was it. We'll get to the lesson in

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a minute, all right. So let's let's see how we

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can take our a game from the course, from the

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from the range to the course. How do we take

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our a game when we just leaving the range going oh,

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I feel great today, and then it just doesn't pan out.

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Speaker 3: Well. Most people that hit driving range balls don't have

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a care in the world. They're free, they let it fly,

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there's no penalty, there's no score. They've got a whole

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bucket of golf balls to hit, and they swing freely,

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and I mean mind. And when you go to the

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golf course, that's a very different scenario there. It's one ball,

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one hole, one score, and so on. So we tend

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to get a little bit tighter, we tend to steer

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a little bit course. On the golf course. Our mind

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is cluttered with information, mechanics and so on, and that

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is not conducive to hitting a good golf ball or

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playing good golf. You've got to be able to go

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to the golf course and be free. I'm sure there's

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some of you with either played a golf course that

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is wide open and you can just swing for the fences,

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and those are the days that you hit it really good.

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And then there's a golf course that you play very

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tight and you don't swing the same. You try to

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steer it or you get a little afraid to let

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it go, and you won't hit it as good. And

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you need to be able to go to that tight

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golf course or that tight hole and be loose and

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let it fly. And that's a tough thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Would you recommend if you feel that tension, if you

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know well, you know the other thing at the driving

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range is that you have multiple swings. I mean, you know,

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it's like, Okay, I just took three swings and one

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of them was worked. I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's like get three in a row.

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Speaker 4: You don't get a second serve, do you know?

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Speaker 1: You know I'm a second swing all American is what

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we will.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can go back, we can go right into

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how many times do you take a second put or

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second swing and you hit it very well. That's because

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it doesn't mean anything, So you're relaxed and you let

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it fly, and that should give you some information about

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what you should do. On the first one, we do

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get too tense and swing too tightly and steer it,

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and we're much freer on the second one when it

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doesn't matter. And I've told people it seems kind of strange,

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but you don't play well because you care too much.

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If you didn't care, you would play well better.

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Speaker 1: And it's is that, like people say, play like a

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little kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. When you're young, you're fearless and you let

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it fly. And when we're old, our mind moves a

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lot more, and different experiences make us think differently as

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we go on, and it makes a big difference.

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Speaker 1: Well, a couple of shows back Jim Waldron of Balance

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Point Golf School, and I hate to be name dropping,

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but this is my show, so I will. But Jim

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talked about on putting and this was a huge one

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for me. He says, the keys to putting are confidence

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and positive indifference. And I think that's basically what you're saying,

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the positive indifference.

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Speaker 4: Like Okay, I'm good, that's interesting, and if.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't go in, I'm okay, Yeah, I'll let it go,

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you know, just pull back and let it's okay and

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stop overthinking it and worrying about something.

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Speaker 3: But life for life for death on the golf course

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and it's not at the range around the putting green.

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It makes a big difference. Tension and what our minds

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go through makes a big difference. And there's a whole

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different mindset on that golf course than there is at

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the rain in practicing.

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Speaker 1: Stop playing for money.

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Speaker 3: Or be able to put your mind in the right

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place while you're playing for money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so you're saying, there's so much. It's

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such a mental element there is.

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Speaker 3: And there was a gentleman that came about a year

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ago at our club and he had a laptop computer,

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and he hooked me and another member up to this

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device where he put something on our head and it

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measured electrodes and all this stuff. And this program he

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had made a certain sound when you were thinking too much,

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when you were swinging the club, and it was a

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it was a tone, a long tone, and then it

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would change to a different tone if your mind was clear.

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And the member got it and it had the tone

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that was you could tell he was thinking a lot

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swinging the whole bit, and he had a very hard time,

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took a long time to get out of that tone

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and to clear his mind. And I was able to

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do it pretty quickly. And the reason why is because

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I don't think of mechanics when I play golf.

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Speaker 4: I pick a target. So I was on the range.

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Speaker 3: I picked home at the end of the range, a

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specific window, and I looked at it, studied it, and

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I swung at it.

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Speaker 4: So my mind was free. It was clear.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's many ways of you know, there's

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books out there and so on, but this actually measured

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something in your head that had your mind scrambled over

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mechanics or it was clear and let you be free.

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Speaker 4: And I believe in that.

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Speaker 3: I really do that if you are too cluttered with

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mechanics and stress and so on, and all the thoughts

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are at the front of your mind, I think you're

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going to struggle.

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Speaker 1: Then let's talk about the pre shot routine and how

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that can help you clear your mind.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, pre shot routines are very good because it's familiarity.

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So when you're familiar with your surroundings, you have more confidence.

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So that's one of the reasons why good players always

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have a.

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Speaker 4: Pre shot routine.

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Speaker 3: So if it's in the masters or hitting range balls,

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they have a familiarity with every single movement. A lot

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of the average golfers don't do that. They don't have

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the same movements every time. Uh, so there's less familiarity.

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So preshot routines I think are very important because it's

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a set arrangement and they do not deviate no matter

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the golf course, right or situation.

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Speaker 1: Right. A lot of the a lot of the range

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activity is a lot of sweep and swing and sweep

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and swing and sweep and swing.

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Speaker 3: Right, we become machine guns. Yeah right, Yeah, there's no

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there's not much quality there. It's more what do you

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learn from that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how what where's the takeaway on that that

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you're feeling looser, that you've gotten your swings in and

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you're ready to go.

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Speaker 3: It's exercise, that's you know, that to me is what

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it is mostly. And you go back to what Jack

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Jack Nicholas said he never hit a shot even on

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the range that he didn't make countract a purpose absolutely

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every single swing. I don't know many people that do that, Yeah,

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including yours, true, you know, I you know, I get

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up and just start swinging before you know, you go,

479
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whoa slow down, you know, think about this walk away,

480
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you know.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I've also noticed for myself, I've been struggling

482
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,880
with three putts lately, and the third putt being inside

483
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of five feet and that just kills me that I'm

484
00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,799
that I'm doing that. But I've recognized that that's because

485
00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:24,119
I walk up to it go yeah, I got it,

486
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and I just like, if I go it's a good. No,

487
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,839
it's not good, but you know you got to put

488
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,440
it all right, fine, so I'll just go ahead. And

489
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,480
of course I missed, you know, a half inch to

490
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the right, but I've gone back to Okay, I'm gonna

491
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,200
do my even on this short one, I'm going to

492
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:39,200
do my pre shot routine. And I had twenty eight

493
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putts the other day.

494
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know dif versus thirty eight. Yeah.

495
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Speaker 3: And when you struggle in an area like you might

496
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,160
struggle in those short puts, we tend to get more tense,

497
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,599
but we tend to rush them too.

498
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 4: Right things get them over quickly.

499
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,079
Speaker 3: So by you doing going into your pre shot routine

500
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and taking that deep breath and taking your time, I'll

501
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guarantee it helped.

502
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Speaker 1: And tell me about your pre shot routine. Walk us

503
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:00,680
through it.

504
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,279
Speaker 4: Boy, that's why I stink. I don't I don't you know.

505
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: I probably have a pre shot routine, but I don't

506
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,480
think about it. It's not conscious. I probably do the

507
00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:15,960
same thing every single time.

508
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: But do you teach a pre shot routine?

509
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,799
Speaker 4: Depends on who it is. It depends on who it is.

510
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:28,759
Speaker 3: If I see somebody who's in a big hurry, I

511
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:31,279
will start to tell them, Okay, I want you to go.

512
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,000
I want you to back away from the ball. I

513
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:34,559
want you to look at your target. I want you

514
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:36,759
to step into it and try to develop that pre

515
00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:39,680
shot routine. But most lessons, no, I don't know of

516
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,920
many lessons that are that you teach a pre shot routine.

517
00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 4: I think, you know, depends on what your goal is.

518
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: If you've got somebody that's you know, later on in life,

519
00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,119
I think that they've played golf for a long time,

520
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,480
and you know, if you want to get to a

521
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:58,480
certain level in golf playing very well and you start

522
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,240
out young, I think it's good to start with a

523
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,400
pre shat routine.

524
00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,519
Speaker 1: Of the players that are at the country club that

525
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:07,920
you're at, do you think people mostly go to the

526
00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,799
range play, go to the range play? Or are there

527
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,039
people you see a significant number, a noticeable number of

528
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,839
people who go to the range go home? I mean

529
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,920
they just come there just to be working on the

530
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:21,119
range or is it always just a warm up to

531
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,000
get out there.

532
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 3: Well, the mornings, that's when you see people just coming

533
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,359
up to warm up and hit balls to go play.

534
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,599
It's the afternoon that you see people will come out

535
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,519
just to practice and camp out over that basket of

536
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:38,640
golf balls. That doesn't usually happen in the morning. So

537
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,079
there's two different you know, two different times of the

538
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,359
day when I see people out on the range in

539
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000
the afternoon, they're out there practicing and they're there for

540
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,960
a purpose. When I see people in the morning, they're

541
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,279
just loosening up to go play. Now, there might be

542
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,839
some that are working on something specific, but for the

543
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,880
most part, they're just getting warmed up for the day.

544
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: When we talked about on the preshot routine, the word

545
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,839
that comes up a lot in mechanics and things is tempo.

546
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:14,759
But the pre shot routine has its own tempo, right,

547
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,039
has its own rhythm. I guess this is a rhythm

548
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:22,119
versus a tempo, and getting into a solid rhythm, a

549
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,480
solid tempo all the way across can really help.

550
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: Well.

551
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:27,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think everybody has.

552
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,319
Speaker 3: I I'll watch somebody's golf swing and how they are,

553
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,519
and I'll and I'll actually be able to tell whether

554
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,599
they're a type, a personality or something like that. And

555
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,160
I think that if you are, if that blood rushes

556
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,759
through your veins very quickly, that's not really conducive to

557
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:46,000
a very smooth tempo in your golf swing. It's going

558
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,240
to be very aggressive and very hard, and your pre

559
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,079
shot might be might be quick if you probably don't

560
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:52,480
even have a pre shot because you can't wait to

561
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,640
get to hit the ball. Those are the people that

562
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,559
I think would be would benefit from developing some sort

563
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,000
of a pre shot routine to slow them down to

564
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,480
take the deep breath. They need it more than anybody.

565
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,559
Other people are very relaxed and their swing you can

566
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,680
see with their swing tempo that they're kind of a

567
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,160
late back person and the blood runs through their veins

568
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,720
kind of slowly, if you know what I mean. But

569
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:20,279
I think the pre shot to routine's more important for

570
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,079
some than others.

571
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:30,559
Speaker 1: Well, it helps, It definitely does help. So one of

572
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,039
the things that you know, I've been doing the show now,

573
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,119
I'm in the ninth year of doing it, and I

574
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,440
talk to a lot of people, and I've really developed

575
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,880
a very strong I feel like I've developed a strong

576
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,839
mental game and I understand corese strategy, which has really

577
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,200
helped my game lately. But one of the things that

578
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,200
I haven't done a lot of over these years is

579
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:58,440
take lessons. And you give me a lesson recently, I

580
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:03,400
can't let me publicly thank you because I can't believe

581
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,400
what a change my game has had in the last

582
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,079
two months. I mean, the day after we had this lesson.

583
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: Your mind was spending when we had that lesson, because it.

584
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: Well, I said, I mentioned to you we were doing

585
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,680
something else was going on, and I mentioned, I said,

586
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,200
I'm really playing the best golf of my life right now,

587
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,359
but I'm struggling with my long irons. I'm either chunking

588
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,039
the ball or hitting it way right. And he said,

589
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,119
come on, let me take a look. And within four

590
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,279
or five swings you saw exactly what was going on.

591
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,759
And I've been developed that. And so the day after

592
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,279
this lesson, we spent an hour together. I went out

593
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,480
on the course and I probably lost ten balls and

594
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:43,599
shot in the high nineties. And I hadn't shot in

595
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,319
the nineties in a while. I've been playing consistently in

596
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,079
the eighties, which was great, and the next five rounds

597
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,880
I couldn't break ninety. I was really struggling. And then

598
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:58,440
it clicked. Something happened. And this last month, the month

599
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,480
of June, we've had great weather. I've played six times,

600
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,839
which is a tremendous amount of golf for me, and

601
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,640
I had one round at eighty nine, one at eighty five,

602
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,000
and everything below that. And this week I played, of

603
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,559
course San Geronimo, which I don't think I've ever had

604
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:15,119
lower than an eighty nine in that course, and I

605
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,720
shot an eighty.

606
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 4: Good for you, so thank.

607
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,039
Speaker 3: You' notly you worked hard at it.

608
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:22,839
Speaker 4: All I did was the range.

609
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,599
Speaker 1: I've never gone to the range just to hit balls

610
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,920
real since that. But I understood what you were having

611
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,559
me do. So when I see the ballflight not doing

612
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:36,240
what I was hoping it, I.

613
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:40,519
Speaker 3: Now I now know why you need to leave in

614
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,759
knowing the why. You absolutely need to know if your

615
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:47,079
ball's curving or moving in a certain direction, you've got

616
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:48,960
to know why it's doing that and what it's going

617
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,000
to take you physically or mentally to make it change.

618
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,839
And a lot of people they don't know that, and

619
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,720
then they try. I always say, people tend to reach

620
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:00,880
down in the grab bag and let me try this,

621
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,759
let me try that, and very often it's not even

622
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,279
close to what they should be doing or changing. So

623
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,799
I always believe that if if you want to improve yourself,

624
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,640
you need to go to your instructor and find out

625
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,440
why is my ball going to the right mechanically, the law,

626
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,599
the ball flight laws, whatever it is, and when it

627
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,119
does that, what do I need to do to fix

628
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880
it on the next shot, or at least minimize it.

629
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of people that don't know that.

630
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: Well, there's so many people on the golf course that

631
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:34,759
just continue to do the same thing over and over

632
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:35,319
and can't.

633
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:39,039
Speaker 3: Figure they they play their mistakes or their faults. If

634
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,279
they keep slicing it, they just aim farther left and

635
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:42,279
they play their game.

636
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they make the adjustments. And there's some people

637
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,279
that have a quality game with all these flaws, but

638
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,839
they've learned how to work it. So you just kind

639
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,079
of step back and keep your mouth shut and going yeah.

640
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: And they're so used to playing their game that when

641
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,720
you do make a change, like if you know the

642
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,319
lesson we gave you, it can be very difficult to

643
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,839
make that change because they feel like, hey, I'm playing

644
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,839
okay the way I am. But when you make a change,

645
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,920
invariably or very often, you can go backwards first.

646
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:10,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, Well look at the tour. I mean,

647
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,680
how many names can we give you guys who made

648
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,039
swing changes and disappeared for a while. Yeah, hopefully they

649
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:19,480
come back. Very few have ye, not all do, that's correct,

650
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,839
and yeah, and then they just disappear and it's kind

651
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,680
of scary. But one of the things that I also

652
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,720
learned from you, and I think that gets missed is

653
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:31,799
we were talking about when you're on the range, hitting

654
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,480
the ball, hitting the ball. Hitting the ball is the goal.

655
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,839
Really hitting the ball or hitting through the ball is

656
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:40,319
the full swing. Ball is only the middle part of

657
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:40,960
the full swing.

658
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I gave a lesson this morning and

659
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,960
that was one of the things we talked about. This

660
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,960
person was hitting at the ball. So you do things

661
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,759
to have them swing. It's not just the clubhead. To me,

662
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,559
it's their hands. Very often when they're swinging, their hands

663
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,319
are stopping at the ball, and that snaps that clubhead ahead.

664
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,319
You'll hit behind the ball. You can hook the ball.

665
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,200
There's many unfortunate things that can happen when your handstop.

666
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:06,440
So I want somebody to take their hands as they

667
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,839
follow through or as they hitting the ball, and to

668
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,759
swing their hands out to the target so that ensures

669
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,240
that their hands stay forward. We don't want to hit

670
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:15,880
at the ball, like you said, you want to hit

671
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,039
through the ball. So you try to think of either

672
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,119
hitting through the ball swinging your hands to the target.

673
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,720
I like to have people pick a spot beyond the ball,

674
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,200
maybe an inch or two beyond, and try to hit

675
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,240
the ground or see their club go through the grass.

676
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,880
Beyond the ball. It can help a tremendous amount in

677
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,680
short game and long to actually see your club go

678
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,319
through the grass pass the ball. And I've also used

679
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:43,599
this opposite effect when you see people want to get

680
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,400
the ball in the air. Okay, So what they do

681
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,119
is they try to flip their hands, they stay behind

682
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,599
the ball, they fall away, And I've told people, I

683
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,720
want you to hit this ball as low as possible,

684
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,559
drill it five feet off the ground, and they've made

685
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,839
perfect golf shots that go exact exactly the height they're

686
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,599
supposed to, and they hit them crisply. When somebody tries

687
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,680
to hit the ball low, they instinctively know, okay, I've

688
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,559
got to delf the club. I got to get my

689
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,519
hands forward and try to hit this ball low and

690
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:14,240
get my way.

691
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: To the left. That's how you hit a golf ball.

692
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: I mean you want to accentuate that even further in

693
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,440
some cases and move the ball back in your stance.

694
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,240
And so I had to hit the ball low. But

695
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,640
when you tell somebody who's been flipping their hands and

696
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,599
falling away to try to hit it low, I can't

697
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:30,799
tell you how many times it's actually had somebody hit

698
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,880
the ball properly, and so even come out of a bunker.

699
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200
I'll say, every time you hit a bunker shot, I

700
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,319
want you to try to hit it purposely.

701
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: Into the bank.

702
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: And now this doesn't apply to everybody, but to me,

703
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:46,119
it applies for those that are hanging back or flipping

704
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:48,519
and hitting behind the ball and then their club is

705
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,279
rising before it even gets to the golf ball. Those

706
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:52,920
are the people I want to try to hit it

707
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,680
into the bank and follow through and that ball comes

708
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:57,839
out every time.

709
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was this last round and there was a

710
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,400
couple of shots I had that were and I realized

711
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,599
when I started thinking about it, oh, my hands are

712
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,119
coming around to the left here, No wonder the ball

713
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,640
is doing what it's doing as opposed to going through

714
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880
it and ending up facing the target.

715
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know so.

716
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that you

717
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you didn't really touch on, but you talk about when

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you talk to your teacher, and this is a big

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one that I've just learned. You got to find the

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right teacher. I've worked with a lot of people, I've

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talked to hundreds of coaches, but finding somebody who is

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articulate enough and has you can understand what you're doing

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and can communicate that with you in a way that

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you're not getting defensive or confused. And I would suggest,

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so find a teacher that you can work.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's some better than others, but clearly there's somebody

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for everybody. And I think that you know, you can

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be a very good instructor and just not communicate the

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way that fits them.

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Speaker 4: And I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: Whether it be a doctor or an instructor or whatever

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it is, Uh, you need to find somebody that you

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understand and they communicate how you know, how you need

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them to communicate.

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Speaker 1: And that you trust, and I means you build that

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trust and because of it, right now, like I said,

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I'm playing with more confidence. Yeah, and it's really apparent.

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That's like really at one point, I was standing behind

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the ball. I was about to take a shot and

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my eyes were closed and my friend like, I guess

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I was closed for a while, and he goes, are

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you all right? I'm like, yeah, I'm just trying to

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visualize what it's this swing's going to look like?

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Speaker 4: Good for you.

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Speaker 1: I just want to because like I've had a couple

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of bad swings in a row, and I just I

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need to know what it's supposed to look like on

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my body and visualized and went up and nailed it.

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Speaker 4: So good for you.

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Speaker 1: So thank you. You're welcome publicly. Thank you. I appreciate

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I'm having so much fun. So now my goal is

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to try to have and I've only done the three

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times this year, but try to get so I more

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rounds in the seventies than in the nineties.

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Speaker 4: That good for you.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you going back to the instructor, for

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all of you out there, you need to find somebody

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that you believe what they're saying. And I asked this

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question sometimes after a lesson, are you drinking the kool aid?

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And for those of us old enough to know what

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that means, it just means do you believe?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Terrible situation, but it's do you believe in what I'm saying,

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because if you don't, you're not going to change. You're

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not going to make this change that we need to.

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And so if you're not believing in that change, well

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then you need to find somebody else, or at least

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get that person to communicate it differently to see if

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you do understand and believe.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was something else that happened to me those

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first four or five rounds where I just was not

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doing anything right. But I was committed to making it

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work because I understood what you were trying to accomplish.

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And there were so many moments where I was going,

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you know what, I'm just going back to what I

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was doing before, I'm not to do this, but I

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stopped myself and I made right exactly exactly, And then

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they don't like the teacher, and it's really.

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Speaker 4: It's their comfort zone. Well, change is difficult. It just is.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you can go to somebody and and say something

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and it it's a quick change and they tend to

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get it and move on. But then there's others that

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you know, the change is difficult to make and it's

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a commitment and it's very difficult. It's much easier to

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go back to your own swing, even if you know

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you're going to have those poor outcomes sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you once again for making

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time to be able to come over and have a

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conversation with me, because I really enjoy talking to you

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about this and you you, You and I can go

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on for a long time and hopefully we'll get these

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opportunities do so again. Thanks so much for coming.

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Speaker 4: Back my pleasure. Thank you so much,