Speaker 1: Welcome to the Auction Brief.
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Speaker 1: Taking you on a journey through fantasy football, the law,
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Speaker 1: Dominate your fantasy drafts. Your host, Drew Davenport, there are
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said,
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Drew Davenport, and thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining me for another episode. As you know, we
Speaker 2: have one goal here on the Auction Brief, and that
Speaker 2: is to help all of you win more titles. And
Speaker 2: one of the ways that we do that is by
Speaker 2: bringing the best and brightest minds in the fantasy community
Speaker 2: on here from my weekly disc Dicussions with Drew. These
Speaker 2: conversations are there to help you with the most difficult
Speaker 2: fantasy situations you're going to face in your drafts this summer.
Speaker 2: Let's not delay. Let's get right to this week's guest
Speaker 2: on another installment of Discussions with Drew.
Speaker 3: Time for Discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the
Speaker 3: brightest minds in the fantasy industry.
Speaker 2: Welcome into this week's Discussions with Drew. Our guest this
Speaker 2: week is Brian Drake from Fantasy Points and just happens
Speaker 2: to also be one of my best friends. But let's
Speaker 2: not go short on the introduction here, because Drake is
Speaker 2: the jack of all trades. He is a Fantasy Points writer, podcaster.
Speaker 2: He does a good pod with John Hansen, the Guru himself.
Speaker 2: He's also a Serious XM host and most importantly, an
Speaker 2: FSWA Award winner for Article of the Year. This guy
Speaker 2: is everywhere, He does everything, and I tell you what,
Speaker 2: he always pulls me along for the rides. So the
Speaker 2: duo is coming soon to Serious XM airwaves everywhere. Thanks
Speaker 2: for being here, man.
Speaker 1: You got it and always glad to be on the
Speaker 1: auction brief And I think I'm tying Marcus Grant now
Speaker 1: for the most appearances. I'm coming for him. I listened
Speaker 1: to that show. It was very well done. But yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: by the time this show drops will be inside of
Speaker 1: two weeks from our debut episode on Serious XM Sundays
Speaker 1: three to five in the off season or draft season
Speaker 1: as we want to call it, and then during the
Speaker 1: year you can catch Drew and I on Fantasy Points
Speaker 1: game day from seven to nine pm Eastern, so there's
Speaker 1: still gonna be that late window going on. We'll be
Speaker 1: able to talk about and everything else that's going on
Speaker 1: around fantasy football for that day. So that's super exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm fired up to get that going here. My gosh,
Speaker 1: that'll be here before you know. I have a nine
Speaker 1: mile road race earlier that day before our first show.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's no sweat for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Utica boiler Maker.
Speaker 1: It's actually a really big road race kind of on
Speaker 1: the East coast here that people might know about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be doing that and then drinking a beer or
Speaker 1: two and then coming back home and we're getting out
Speaker 1: of the air.
Speaker 2: So that'll be a great time. Nothing different, sounds awesome.
Speaker 2: So during the season, it's what hours during the season three.
Speaker 4: To During the season, we are on the air seven
Speaker 4: to nine.
Speaker 2: Okay. I was thinking it was six to eight.
Speaker 4: So you're right. I think it is six to eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I don't want to take you wrong. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, See he's on the air too much, he does.
Speaker 2: He's got all his shows get mixed up. So I
Speaker 2: tell you what, I've positioned myself here in the basement
Speaker 2: so that when we're on the air in season, I've
Speaker 2: still got my five TVs here over my shoulder here
Speaker 2: so I can see what's going on. We can recap
Speaker 2: all the day's action. I'm so stoked for all of
Speaker 2: that to get started, and again can't say thank you enough.
Speaker 2: But I'll stop now on all that stuff. What else
Speaker 2: has been going on with you?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: What other content are you creating? And where can people
Speaker 2: find your stuff?
Speaker 1: So mainly right now I'm doing the Fantasy Points podcast
Speaker 1: with John Hanson that drops twice a week wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcast, and then you know you and I
Speaker 1: will be on serious. I'll be writing an article this
Speaker 1: year as I always do the Defensive Streamer article at
Speaker 1: Fantasy Points, and also doing work at The Huddle with
Speaker 1: our friend Doug Orth, which is great. I used a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff I did for The Huddle last
Speaker 1: year to get nominated for Football Writer of the Year
Speaker 1: by the FSWA.
Speaker 4: And we'll see whatever else can come along.
Speaker 1: I always try to pick up an extra gig or two,
Speaker 1: but it's tough grinding this content out here. Man, There's
Speaker 1: only so much time in the day, and like you,
Speaker 1: I've got two young children. My son's fourteen, my daughter's eleven.
Speaker 1: So I remember last year, almost every no other of
Speaker 1: the week, I'm writing or producing some sort of fantasy content.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, let's not cry ourselves a river here.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we're digging a ditch. But
Speaker 1: it's time consuming to do all this, to write something,
Speaker 1: to record something, and to have a fresh take on it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what we're up to this year at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that it's under estimated what the creative
Speaker 2: process takes because it's not just sitting down, bang, knock
Speaker 2: it out and throw it up there. There's editing that
Speaker 2: goes along with it, and there's the creative process that
Speaker 2: has to of course be there in the first place.
Speaker 2: And I really struggled the last couple of weeks with
Speaker 2: the creative process. And so I'm back into what I
Speaker 2: believe is peak draft season mode. And that's where we're
Speaker 2: going to take you today because I know that the
Speaker 2: Auction Brief episode with Brian Drake is one of my
Speaker 2: most listened to episodes every single year, bar none, and
Speaker 2: I think it's partially because you and I. The banter
Speaker 2: that we have is born from a lot of years
Speaker 2: of fantasy football. How long you been playing fantasy football?
Speaker 4: Oh, jeez, I would imagine over twenty years at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I you know, I'd started when I was
Speaker 2: in law school, late nineties, early two thousands, So between us,
Speaker 2: we've got fifty years a fantasy football experience. And believe me,
Speaker 2: I love the innovations to fantasy football these days, with
Speaker 2: yards per rout run and the efficiency metrics about success
Speaker 2: rate and war and all that stuff. I love all
Speaker 2: of these metrics. I think innovation is great. But when
Speaker 2: it really comes down to it, and we're sitting in
Speaker 2: the draft room, a lot of times it just takes
Speaker 2: some common sense. And I think that's why people like
Speaker 2: the show that me and you do, because we're the
Speaker 2: kings of common sense here, aren't we.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think we've just spawned a tagline for the serious
Speaker 1: XM show there.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get that and cut into a promo. But yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was talking to some guys yesterday. I jumped on,
Speaker 1: I'm like in this home radio league where these listeners
Speaker 1: can join our league. And we did the draft reveal
Speaker 1: this week, so I joined the podcast and I said listen,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to win a fantasy league.
Speaker 1: Does it help you to draft good players? Of course,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of luck involved, and like you said,
Speaker 1: with common sense and we'll talk about it today.
Speaker 4: With some of these players, it's.
Speaker 1: Avoiding landmines, avoiding bad teams, bad quarterbacks, bad play callers.
Speaker 1: Like I think there's an article I want to write
Speaker 1: this summer where I'm gonna say, like, if you just
Speaker 1: want to draft a team of guys from like the McVeigh,
Speaker 1: Shanahan Kubiak tree, Like what would that look like? Round
Speaker 1: by round? Even if you gotta like jump eightyp and
Speaker 1: say I'm only drafting guys who are coached by guys
Speaker 1: from this tree, and like, what would your team look like?
Speaker 1: It might be an interesting exercise.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see if I can find enough time between high
Speaker 1: noons to bang it out.
Speaker 2: Well. Surfsiders for me these days, I don't know. You're
Speaker 2: the one who got me into surfsiders.
Speaker 4: I had some of those yesterday in the pool.
Speaker 2: Now, what's your favorite kind the serf sider?
Speaker 4: I like just straight up regular lemonade.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I like the half and half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate iced tea.
Speaker 2: I'm not an iced team at all.
Speaker 4: At least he's the worst.
Speaker 1: Iced tea sucks. Watermelon sucks. My kids are upstairs right
Speaker 1: now there. It's ninety degrees out here in central New
Speaker 1: York where I live, and they're.
Speaker 4: Oh, Dad, yeah, we're cutting up a watermelon.
Speaker 1: Ba. I would rather lick a rock than eat watermelon.
Speaker 1: Watermelon's the worst lick.
Speaker 2: It's my kids freaking love what we bring home a watermelon.
Speaker 2: That thing's gone in a day. Yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 2: absurd that it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but pineappleons. That's pineappleons where it's at. And then
Speaker 1: there's these new things out also made by surf Side.
Speaker 4: They're called sports Light.
Speaker 1: I'm not not that they're a sponsor of the show,
Speaker 1: but they're like basically alcoholic gatorade. I think they're about
Speaker 1: super light, to be honest, I'll bring some of the
Speaker 1: expo and dude, they're dangerous.
Speaker 4: You could drink forty of these.
Speaker 1: Things and you're getting electro lights while you drink, so
Speaker 1: kind of rehydrate anti you know. So it's it's interesting,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's I don't know. I've just kind of
Speaker 1: gotten off the beer kick, even though I love IPA's
Speaker 1: they're too heavy, and you know, I'm running a ton
Speaker 1: these days, so I don't want to kind of just
Speaker 1: get way down with them.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, look, we could talk about alcohol, we can
Speaker 2: talk about all the stuff we could screw around other
Speaker 2: episodes popular, but let's talk fantasy football. And I'm trying
Speaker 2: my best to get people out under an hour. I'm
Speaker 2: shooting for forty five, but I'm trying to get out
Speaker 2: under an hour because I want people to be able
Speaker 2: to consume the show and small bites, and that's important
Speaker 2: these days. So we got a couple of different topics today.
Speaker 2: We're gonna play a little game of this or that
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna give you some choices and you can
Speaker 2: tell me what you like. But before we do that,
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things to ask the guests that
Speaker 2: I have on the show is something that you've learned
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty five, because everyone's always got a different perspective,
Speaker 2: and I really enjoy smart people giving me the perspective
Speaker 2: on what they learned last year. So what did you
Speaker 2: take out of twenty twenty five you want to use
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: And this came from my home league. This didn't come
Speaker 1: from playing in the King's Classic or playing in expert
Speaker 1: Leagues or best Ball or anything. This really just came
Speaker 1: from playing with my twelve buddies, and it's a lesson
Speaker 1: that should be very obvious. But in today's day and
Speaker 1: age and where ADP is headed, I think we need
Speaker 1: to really dive headfirst into it, and it's leaning into
Speaker 1: pass catching running backs more than ever, so Drew. Last year,
Speaker 1: I did the little research here. Yes, imagine that I
Speaker 1: did some research. Fifteen running backs saw at least fifty
Speaker 1: targets last year, all but one of them that was
Speaker 1: Taja Spears average at least twelve PPR points per game.
Speaker 1: So listen, not everyone's going to get a chance to
Speaker 1: draft CMC or Bejon or Gibbs. You got to be
Speaker 1: in the top half of your draft. But you can
Speaker 1: get your hands on guys like you know, Travis etn
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams, Kyrone Williams, Chase Brown, hell, even Kenny Gainwell.
Speaker 1: To me, those guys are so much more valuable than
Speaker 1: especially in a PPR like a Jacori Krossky. Merit of
Speaker 1: the world was like a between the twenty grinder, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who didn't even get to
Speaker 1: that fifty target number laslast year.
Speaker 4: Who I think ken this year?
Speaker 1: You know, look at a guy like Camp Scattabo, Rashad White,
Speaker 1: Breis Hall who surprisingly didn't get there. So with all
Speaker 1: these running backs flying off the board, drew thirteen of
Speaker 1: the top twenty four picks by adp in redraft that
Speaker 1: I just looked at earlier today, thirteen of the top
Speaker 1: twenty four picks are running backs.
Speaker 4: So if you're waiting till the middle rounds.
Speaker 1: It's completely dried up and God knows what you're going
Speaker 1: to get at that point. So get in the running
Speaker 1: back business fairly early. Focus on the guys who catch passes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pendulum has certainly swung back to the running
Speaker 2: backs in the first two rounds. People are more nervous.
Speaker 2: And I talked about this with maybe it was rich
Speaker 2: Reebar a couple of weeks ago about there's just very
Speaker 2: few alpha receivers that are commanding that thirty percent plus
Speaker 2: target share, So instead people are swinging back to the
Speaker 2: running backs, and certainly the ones that are catching passes.
Speaker 2: So I like the first lesson out of the gate,
Speaker 2: and what we're going to do today with Drake is
Speaker 2: we're going to play our little game of this or that,
Speaker 2: and this is going to be of course, you know,
Speaker 2: when I sell us as the common sense guys, it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that we don't have numbers, so that we
Speaker 2: don't like to look at numbers. But it's just that
Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, we know that when
Speaker 2: we get in a draft room and when we go
Speaker 2: to set our lineups on Sundays, there are certain things
Speaker 2: that matter that sometimes those numbers don't tell us about.
Speaker 2: But let's do Let's try to hit both sides of this. Okay,
Speaker 2: We're going to go right out of the gate with
Speaker 2: the quagmire in Pittsburgh. It seems that nobody cares whatsoever
Speaker 2: about the Pittsburgh Steelers offense for fantasy football. I don't
Speaker 2: blame them, but there's going to be some value here.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is QB twenty eight. I think that's weird.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not a Rogers guy whatsoever, but QB twenty
Speaker 2: eight feels just completely odd. At running back. I want
Speaker 2: to ask you your first this or that question. We've
Speaker 2: got Rico Dowdell and Jalen Warren there. Now. They signed Dowdell.
Speaker 2: He's going off the board as RB thirty two and
Speaker 2: Jalen Warren's RB twenty eight. The market telling us they
Speaker 2: don't care about either one, and Jalen Warren only slightly more.
Speaker 2: But you know, both guys can be drafted as RB thre's.
Speaker 2: It feels like at least one of these guys is
Speaker 2: miss priced. Let me ask you in each of these
Speaker 2: this or that, I want to ask you, first of all,
Speaker 2: who do you want straight up? And then I want
Speaker 2: to ask you who do you want with ADP, so
Speaker 2: roll that into your answer, if you would, Rico or Jalen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, last year, my guy uncle Rico had three weeks
Speaker 1: where he finishes either the overall RB one or RB
Speaker 1: two on the week. But those are like huge volume weeks, right,
Speaker 1: He had minimally twenty six touches in those games. He's
Speaker 1: a guy who needs a ton of volume to come through,
Speaker 1: and I just don't know if he's gonna get that
Speaker 1: this year, splitting time with Jalen Warren, so I think inevitably,
Speaker 1: whoever's gonna come out of his backfield is whoever's gonna
Speaker 1: stay healthy. But Rico does reunite with Mike McCarthy, who
Speaker 1: oversaw his twenty twenty four RB twenty three finish. So
Speaker 1: Rico this is the guy, though, who can play on
Speaker 1: all three downs. Like we said, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's necessarily gonna get that in Pittsburgh, but it comes
Speaker 1: down to who Aaron Rodgers trust next to him. And
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren is not a tough runner. He's not great
Speaker 1: at really anything. To me, he's more of a change
Speaker 1: of pace back. I thought he wore down last year.
Speaker 1: Kenny Gainwell surpassed him down the stretch. You know, Tyler
Speaker 1: Warren and Tyler Warren Jesus, Jalen Warren didn't play more
Speaker 1: than fifty percent of the snaps in any game.
Speaker 4: After Week twelve.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you got Rico, who I think is going
Speaker 1: to get the goal line work, and as the season
Speaker 1: goes on, it is going to show that he is
Speaker 1: a very competent pass catcher out there. Over the course
Speaker 1: of the season, I think Aaron Rodgers is going to
Speaker 1: see that and enjoy that. And with the history with McCarthy,
Speaker 1: I'm leaning in uncle Rico here.
Speaker 4: They brought him in. He's very capable in being a
Speaker 4: three down back. So I just I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 4: I think Jalen.
Speaker 1: Warren was miscast last year as someone who we're gonna
Speaker 1: make him a feature back. I think that was a mistake,
Speaker 1: and part of that is they whiffed on Caleb Johnson
Speaker 1: on Iowa in the draft, who they thought was going
Speaker 1: to come in to be their Naji Herrit. Yes, so
Speaker 1: maybe Rico dwald will comes in and he is their
Speaker 1: Naji Harris again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it sounds like it's pretty easy for you.
Speaker 2: It's Rico in a vacuum, and he's the cheaper running back,
Speaker 2: so obviously it's Rico at his price. I think this
Speaker 2: is great. This is why I have smart people on
Speaker 2: the show, because it challenges my worldview. And I've just
Speaker 2: been thinking that Warren is a little bit too cheap
Speaker 2: because he's going to slide back into the pass catching
Speaker 2: role that sort of got stolen from him by gain
Speaker 2: Wall at the end of the year. But I think
Speaker 2: you make an excellent point that he wore down a
Speaker 2: little bit and the Steelers realized they needed to get
Speaker 2: him off the field more, and so hence Rico Dowdell.
Speaker 2: I still believe to your first point that opened the show,
Speaker 2: that we could see forty five to fifty catches though
Speaker 2: from Warren, So I like that aspect as well, But
Speaker 2: I think, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as cheap options, I'm not mad at either one
Speaker 1: on my team, like a start either guy.
Speaker 4: No, But if you're in a deep league that's gonna.
Speaker 1: Have a lot of flex spots to start, like, you
Speaker 1: don't want either of these guys?
Speaker 2: Are kings classic cough cough, Yeah.
Speaker 1: But we play in a league where it's a fourteen
Speaker 1: team league that starts two running backs and then an
Speaker 1: additional three flexes. Rico and Jalen Warren are going to
Speaker 1: start at flex every week in that league every week.
Speaker 2: You're excited to have those guys at flex every week.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to the wide receivers. They are
Speaker 2: also stuck where nobody cares about them. In fact, I
Speaker 2: think this is kind of funny because DK Metcalf, a
Speaker 2: former Fantasy Darling, is down there at wide receiver, and
Speaker 2: we've got Michael Pittman down at wide receiver forty one.
Speaker 2: So nobody cares about Rogers QB twenty eight, Metcalf wide
Speaker 2: receiver thirty five, Pittman wide receiver forty one. I would
Speaker 2: guess these guys are going to outperform their adp. It's
Speaker 2: a matter of how much do we care. So which
Speaker 2: guy do you want straight up and which guy do
Speaker 2: you want the price? The price really isn't that different
Speaker 2: at this point. Metcalf or Pittman.
Speaker 4: For me, it's Michael pitt Now.
Speaker 1: The reason behind that is Aaron Rodgers wants to get
Speaker 1: the ball out quickly. He's super old. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to get hit. They're gonna play a ton of three
Speaker 1: wide sets. They just drafted a kid, Jeremy Bernard out
Speaker 1: of Alabama. They want to Makay Lemon. Eagles made sure
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. But here's some nuggets for you. Of
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks with one hundred attempts last year, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: had the fastest time to throw. That's a stat from
Speaker 1: Fantasy Points data, at two point.
Speaker 4: Three eight seconds.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's getting the ball out short and he's
Speaker 1: getting out fast.
Speaker 4: His deep throw percentage everyone.
Speaker 1: Talking, oh, remember, well, Aaron Rodgers, all of these deep
Speaker 1: moon balls, blah blah blah. That ain't his game anymore.
Speaker 1: He was thirty fifth in the league at just nine
Speaker 1: point four percent of his deep throw percentage. So his
Speaker 1: six point two to a dot. Its average depth of
Speaker 1: target was only outdone by listening to these two gun slingers,
Speaker 1: Brady Cook and Dylan Gabriel. Okay, that's everybody who threw
Speaker 1: at least one hundred passes. So he's throwing short. These
Speaker 1: are gonna be quick routes. Michael Pittman last year, his
Speaker 1: a dout was eight point five in Indianapolis. DK Metcalf's
Speaker 1: ten point eight. Okay, now let's go dig a little deeper.
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman's best year in Indianapolis, he had over eleven
Speaker 1: hundred yards. His ad out was seven point nine. Dk
Speaker 1: Metcalf had his legit worst statistical season as a pro
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers last year. He's never been a low
Speaker 1: aid dot player. He does not fit well with what
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wants to do. So I like Pittman. I
Speaker 1: think he's a security blanket for Aaron Rodgers. And I
Speaker 1: think at wide receiver forty five is show whever's coming
Speaker 1: off board absolute steal.
Speaker 2: Football guys hasn't met forty one. But either way, he's
Speaker 2: a wide receiver four. That seems like an easy play.
Speaker 2: And again, in those deeper leagues, that's an easy play
Speaker 2: for the back of your roster. But even when you're
Speaker 2: going through and I'll slip a little auction plug in here,
Speaker 2: when you're going through the auctions and nobody cares about
Speaker 2: a guy like that, it's easy to make him your
Speaker 2: wide receiver six or seven for a couple bucks. And
Speaker 2: I just think he's gonna smash that.
Speaker 4: Michael Pitman's a good player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really could. Yeah, And I totally agree with the analysis.
Speaker 2: It's hard to finish thirty fifth in deep throw percentage
Speaker 2: when there's thirty two quarterbacks in the league. We know
Speaker 2: how much turnover the risk, but it's hard to finish
Speaker 2: thirty fifth. So excellent poll there. Okay, let's move on
Speaker 2: from the Steelers moribund offense because I did a little
Speaker 2: bit of that last week. Let's talk about some more
Speaker 2: exciting players. How about Jeremiah Love in Arizona. This is
Speaker 2: kind of a rough situation because the thing I talked
Speaker 2: about with Marcus Grant was how bad their offensive line is.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure they did a whole lot to
Speaker 2: make that better. But they bring in a coaching staff
Speaker 2: that clearly wants to run the ball. They signed Tyler Algier.
Speaker 2: They still have James Connor. They've got a three headed
Speaker 2: monster back there. They want to use it. Now. I
Speaker 2: expected Love to be a little bit higher in ADP,
Speaker 2: but right now he's RB thirteen. That seems somewhat palatable.
Speaker 2: But you're really got to still spend a mid to
Speaker 2: late second pick to make sure you get him. And
Speaker 2: there's four running backs after him that I could argue.
Speaker 2: I want more straight up, and they're going later. Let
Speaker 2: me ask you, let's do a lightning round quick, and
Speaker 2: then I'll let you roll out your love analysis. Okay,
Speaker 2: so lightning round Love or Breis Hall.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take every player over over Jeremiahave.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so play the game. Damn it, you're not
Speaker 2: playing the game. Okay. So the four guys I was.
Speaker 4: Guys on bad teams. But I'll still lean Bruce Hall.
Speaker 4: I like to going back play.
Speaker 2: More, Okay, and then Kyen Williams, you want him over Love?
Speaker 1: No one is more disrespected Fantasy football year over year
Speaker 1: than Karen Williams.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love hearing that. Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1: If you tell me, mister legal action here that he's
Speaker 1: going to play and not be suspended, like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's the foundation of the offensive Green.
Speaker 2: Bay, yeah, for sure. And then we've got Travis HM,
Speaker 2: so I refuse to.
Speaker 4: Call on that.
Speaker 1: By the way, I will never call him Travis HN
Speaker 1: on any show we do together. It's Travis Etna until
Speaker 1: the end of time.
Speaker 2: All right. So you want all those guys over Love,
Speaker 2: which tells me he's miss priced right now, somebody out
Speaker 2: there likes him. What's your take on Love this year?
Speaker 1: Listen, He's not a bad team, okay, and this is
Speaker 1: a bad team with a lot of competition, So listen,
Speaker 1: we don't know what who the quarterback is going to
Speaker 1: be for the full season.
Speaker 4: They want to tank to get a quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 1: They know that this coaching staff probably isn't long for
Speaker 1: that world there anyways, and it's literally just kind of
Speaker 1: a punt season. So do they want to run this
Speaker 1: kid into the ground? That they're paying a ton of
Speaker 1: dope highest contract of any running back in football's Jeremiah Love.
Speaker 1: He makes more money than anybody, and that's which ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But besides the point, I've just seen this before. We
Speaker 1: did this with It's not the same position, but Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior same team. You can look back to a
Speaker 1: year ago with Ashton Genty, you know, running back going
Speaker 1: to a bad team. Like, we love what these guys
Speaker 1: did in college, but they're drafted high to garbage offenses.
Speaker 1: And I got a feeling jeremih love for as flashy
Speaker 1: as he was at Notre Dame, that will not tran
Speaker 1: to this horrific Arizona team. So give me, as I
Speaker 1: always say, give me good players on good teams with
Speaker 1: good play callers.
Speaker 4: I mean, does it get.
Speaker 1: Any better than Kyron I love the Green Bays offense,
Speaker 1: always productive.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 1: I got a man crush on Kevin Moore and this
Speaker 1: New Orleans offense. Okay, Listen, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I just don't want players on bad teams. And maybe
Speaker 1: the player I want the most of anybody here is
Speaker 1: Travis etn Okay, because they paid him twenty eight million guaranteed.
Speaker 4: Who knows we're gonna get for Elvin Kamara this year.
Speaker 1: They're gonna play with pace and they're gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the teams that runs the most plays. Last year,
Speaker 1: they were top twelve in total plays for a kind
Speaker 1: of crappy New Orleans team. The Saints averaged the fifth
Speaker 1: fewest rushing yards per game, and I think they went
Speaker 1: out and they got ETN because they want to drastically
Speaker 1: improve upon that. So any of these guys fall to
Speaker 1: me as my RB two, because you know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be in the RB business early and often. In these drafts,
Speaker 1: I think, think you're really cooking with gas. If you
Speaker 1: take a running back in round one, you come back
Speaker 1: round to maybe three, get any of these guys.
Speaker 4: That's a really strong start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of these guys, like you said, you
Speaker 2: can get them in round three, so you could even
Speaker 2: slide a receiver in round two and still really like
Speaker 2: your RB two. So okay, Yeah, I think we're on
Speaker 2: the same mind. On Love. I did an auction the
Speaker 2: other night where he went for thirty four bucks. I
Speaker 2: got him. I thought that was a little bit I
Speaker 2: was expecting him to go a little bit higher. It
Speaker 2: wasn't that necessarily got stuck. I just really wanted him
Speaker 2: to go in the upper thirties before I let him go.
Speaker 2: I ended up getting him for thirty four. Then I
Speaker 2: kind of looked back on that and I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot better guys I could have had for
Speaker 2: a few bucks less. So I'm still of the mind
Speaker 2: that I agree with you on love and Hey, that's
Speaker 2: the common sense stuff that we're talking about when we
Speaker 2: talk about the years of fantasy experience. You mentioned Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 2: you mentioned Ashton Genty, these guys that go to these
Speaker 2: awful offenses. It's really hard for a rookie to perform
Speaker 2: in the NFL on a good offense, let alone these
Speaker 2: crap offenses with that offensive lines.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we love the shiny new toy. We love Oh,
Speaker 1: this is the new guy. I can't wait to get him.
Speaker 1: And I've done that in a lot of leagues where
Speaker 1: you want to look like the smartest guy in the room.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this kid that you guys have never
Speaker 1: really even heard of, and I'm gonna start him every
Speaker 1: week and.
Speaker 4: He's gonna crush you know what.
Speaker 1: Just take Kyron Williams, who we know is gonna be
Speaker 1: really good and is very boring. No one slaps the
Speaker 1: sticker on the board for Kyen Williams and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyron Williams in round three. But you know what, Kien
Speaker 1: Williams always comes through. This is the year Blake Korum
Speaker 1: takes over the jot. No, it's not, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be Kien Williams again, just scoring ten touchdowns and
Speaker 1: running for twelve hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Drake doesn't even know it right now, but
Speaker 2: he's set me up for my Thursday solo show because
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about Kyrien Williams because everyone knows I've
Speaker 2: got a little bit of a bias with him. But
Speaker 2: there's some interesting things we can know about him. But
Speaker 2: all right, let's move on because I got a couple
Speaker 2: more situations I want to hit, and then, of course
Speaker 2: my favorite thing that everyone loves. We're gonna hear some
Speaker 2: over and undervalued players that Drake's thinking about right now
Speaker 2: as we head into July. But let's talk about the
Speaker 2: Patriots backfield because it's one that we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about all summer long. And it's kind of interesting because
Speaker 2: Trevion Henderson is up to RB twenty one. You're really
Speaker 2: going to have to try to get him right around
Speaker 2: the end of the fifth round if you want him.
Speaker 2: And Vermandre Stevenson's at RB thirty one. He's the middle
Speaker 2: of the seventh round. So some of these previous questions
Speaker 2: I had for you didn't necessarily have that big of
Speaker 2: a gap. Now we've got a big gap. So I
Speaker 2: want to know which guy do you prefer in a vacuum,
Speaker 2: and then which guy do you prefer end of fifth
Speaker 2: or mid seventh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the answer has got to be
Speaker 1: at the price got to be Remandre for me. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look last year and he didn't get a ton
Speaker 1: of touches on a team that threw the ball, I
Speaker 1: think more than anybody, which was the Patriots last year,
Speaker 1: last three weeks at a season week sixteen, seventeen eighteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: ween a matter for us in fantasy, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is. Ramandra finishes RB fifteen, RB five, and
Speaker 1: RB one.
Speaker 4: A lot of that had to.
Speaker 1: Do with some receiving touchdowns on that, but okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: He still found the end zone a ton of times
Speaker 1: in the fantasy playoffs.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is.
Speaker 1: A situation where I mean, Trayvon Henderson, we know he's
Speaker 1: so good, we know he's a home run hitter. They
Speaker 1: tried to get him the ball a little bit more
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I'm just gonna take the cheaper option here, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I could dive into this the
Speaker 1: numbers on these two guys, but it really is a
Speaker 1: coin flip. I just I kind of just pounded my
Speaker 1: head against the wall, and I, I don't know. They're
Speaker 1: both good players and they're both going to get the ball.
Speaker 1: It's not who's better than who. They're just both going
Speaker 1: to see the rock. They just are.
Speaker 4: They're not going to bench one guy for the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's let's be honest, that's not happening. And
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson really was not a guy that ever saw
Speaker 2: a fifty percent snapshare unless Evenson was on the sidelines hurt.
Speaker 2: So even after he fumbled, everyone said, here comes Henderson.
Speaker 2: Stevenson's fumbled twice. They didn't care. They didn't care. They
Speaker 2: kept going back to Stevenson. They trust him. It's the
Speaker 2: same thing as Kyrone Williams. They trust him. There's something
Speaker 2: that he's doing that they trust. They're going to continue
Speaker 2: to use him, and they paid him too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Travion Henderson to your point, I'm looking at his
Speaker 1: snapshares right now. I mean down the stretch, even after
Speaker 1: their Week fourteen, by when you would think, oh maybe
Speaker 1: this is when they're gonna get the kid going. You know,
Speaker 1: he had a huge week fourteen carries for a buck
Speaker 1: forty eight and two touchdowns where he was the RB three.
Speaker 1: The next week he played nineteen percent of the snaps.
Speaker 1: You know, the following week he's fifty two percent of
Speaker 1: the snaps. It's just a case where they're going to
Speaker 1: give both guys the ball. So I know Bob Harris
Speaker 1: always loves this kind of talk, where you go, okay,
Speaker 1: I got two options, and whoever follows to me later,
Speaker 1: that's the guy I'm going to take. So I will
Speaker 1: be completely fine with Ramandre and doing some mock drafts.
Speaker 1: So far this year, I've gotten Remandre several times to
Speaker 1: fall to me.
Speaker 4: And if if he's your RB three, you can do
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the most unsexy picks on the board,
Speaker 2: but also that's just how Fantasy championships are won sometimes
Speaker 2: because you go get your upside guys, but you need
Speaker 2: boring dudes who are gonna play, and it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a little bit frustrating and lineup setting leagues. But I
Speaker 2: think you just keep running them out there and he's
Speaker 2: gonna play, So okay, I think we're of one mind
Speaker 2: on the Patriots backfield. Let's talk about the Tampa Bay backfield.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different than what I expected to
Speaker 2: see because I thought the Bucky Irving situation the end
Speaker 2: of last year seems to have clouded things up quite
Speaker 2: a bit for fantasy gamers. I mean, we're at the
Speaker 2: point where we just kind of don't know what the
Speaker 2: hell to think about Irving, not only because they're still
Speaker 2: talking about lingering shoulder problems in freaking June, and you know,
Speaker 2: and then they've signed Gainwell and Gainwell was very good
Speaker 2: for the Steelers last year, but has an RB thirty
Speaker 2: four price tag. That's pretty significant gap there. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: we like Bucky in a vacuum more than Gainwell, but
Speaker 2: with the price difference, what do you think.
Speaker 1: I'm Kenny Gainwell all day. Coaches love Kenny Gainwell, and
Speaker 1: you referenced the bad shoulder. He's still worrying about this shoulder.
Speaker 1: I think it cost him like seven games last year.
Speaker 1: And if he's still on the fence with it, what's
Speaker 1: that going to do? The coaches know he's got this
Speaker 1: bumped shoulder, you think they're going to put him out
Speaker 1: there fourth and one from the one yard line, not
Speaker 1: a chance. You got Gainwell, who's a very good goal
Speaker 1: line back, by the way, and you've got Shaan Tucker,
Speaker 1: so they gave Gainwell a bunch of money to come
Speaker 1: down there, very good blocker. We know we can do
Speaker 1: it all really good in the receiving game. So why
Speaker 1: would I want to put my chip on Bucky Irving
Speaker 1: who last year he really did become when he returned
Speaker 1: that between the twenties grinder who had almost no value
Speaker 1: for fantasy because Tucker was taking the goal line work
Speaker 1: and short yardage.
Speaker 4: And they still Rashad White back then.
Speaker 1: So I think you've got Rashad White's replacement and an
Speaker 1: upgrade in Kenny Gainwell, and Tucker's still there, who they
Speaker 1: he was a restricted free agent and who they brought back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm glad to let somebody else draft Bucky
Speaker 1: Irvy this year.
Speaker 4: And if he proved me wrong, he prove me wrong.
Speaker 4: He's a small guy.
Speaker 1: He's not a big dude who's gonna go in there
Speaker 1: and bruise between the tackles.
Speaker 2: He's just not I think that what we saw at
Speaker 2: the end of his rookie year got us very excited
Speaker 2: and that's just not coming back. And so we just
Speaker 2: need to just relax that's not coming back and assess
Speaker 2: it for what it is. And you nailed it by saying,
Speaker 2: we've got Sean Tucker at the goal line, We've got
Speaker 2: Kenny Gainwell touching the ball on their down. What does
Speaker 2: that leave for Bucky Irving? It leaves a very uninspiring
Speaker 2: guy who maybe, you know, maybe hits two hundred carries,
Speaker 2: but he'll be lucky to cross, you know, four or
Speaker 2: five touchdowns twenty passes catch. So I just think that
Speaker 2: RB twenty feels crazy to me. I don't know how
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, but you know, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: And there are a couple guys every summer that I'm
Speaker 2: wildly wrong on and who knows.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of players that we'll talk about
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the summer. And it's okay, Well,
Speaker 1: he could lose touches to this guy, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of a two headed monster. If you're already talking about
Speaker 1: three guys in a backfield, forget about it, Like why
Speaker 1: even delve into those muddy waters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gainwell costs you almost nothing. He's a bottom
Speaker 2: end RB three price, and again I'm throw another auction
Speaker 2: plug in here, but Gainwell is the kind of guy
Speaker 2: that you get for a couple bucks at the end
Speaker 2: of an auction that just helps you through bye weeks
Speaker 2: and injuries early in the season and just nobody cares
Speaker 2: about it. Nobody cares. Again, the unsexy pick sometimes are
Speaker 2: the ones that we want. So okay, let's go to
Speaker 2: the final situation here of this or that, and then
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you some under and over valued players.
Speaker 2: The Carolina backfield is I find fascinating this time of
Speaker 2: year because the steam on Jonathan Brooks is certainly happening.
Speaker 2: He's getting steamed up draft boards now. He is at
Speaker 2: RB thirty seven. I know that doesn't feel very high,
Speaker 2: but it is from a month ago, and Cuba Hubbard's
Speaker 2: at RB twenty seven. Now that tells me that nobody
Speaker 2: is again very sure about either guy. And I know
Speaker 2: that they're not ranked very high because we're still talking
Speaker 2: about a high end RB three and a high end
Speaker 2: RB four. So I get that we don't have to
Speaker 2: pay a lot for these guys. But are we believing
Speaker 2: the Jonathan Brooks hype and are we disrespecting Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't really know what to think yet.
Speaker 2: I need to dive into this a little bit more.
Speaker 2: What do you have for us?
Speaker 1: This is a team that wants to play hide the quarterback.
Speaker 1: We know that Bryce Young stinks. They don't want him
Speaker 1: to drop back and throw the ball a ton, so
Speaker 1: they want to run the rock. Problem being with a
Speaker 1: guy like Chuba Hubbard, he kind of sucks. So we
Speaker 1: saw last year. You know, early in the season he
Speaker 1: had a couple of really good weeks to start off.
Speaker 1: Maybe he got banged up and he just never really
Speaker 1: recovered and he tried to rush himself back. So Uncle
Speaker 1: Rico got a bunch of touches there. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, Chewba Hubbard was really really bad
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 4: He's not a goal line back.
Speaker 1: In fact, he handled just ten percent of the Panthers
Speaker 1: carries inside the five last year.
Speaker 4: Brooks.
Speaker 1: When healthy, he's gonna take this job. It's just a
Speaker 1: matter of time. If he can stay healthy. He's more talented,
Speaker 1: you know, he is a good back out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: They listen, they drafted this guy for a reason. I
Speaker 1: don't think that they're over the moon about getting touches
Speaker 1: to Chewba Hubbard, who is extremely inefficient. Last year, I
Speaker 1: mean you look down the stretch, you know after their
Speaker 1: week fourteen by when he came back from gonna be
Speaker 1: a little banged up. Eight carries, six carries, four carries.
Speaker 1: They weren't looking to put the ball in his stomach
Speaker 1: and let him run wild with it. And I think
Speaker 1: they'll find just anybody who can take the load off
Speaker 1: of Bryce Young, and I think that guy's gonna be
Speaker 1: Jonathan Brooks. So maybe guys in your home leagues aren't
Speaker 1: as into Brooks or they're like, oh, this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna die again and another injury is gonna fall him.
Speaker 4: And maybe it will.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think Cuba just gave us the
Speaker 1: blueprint last year of like kind of who he really is.
Speaker 4: He had that great year two years.
Speaker 1: Ago and then he got paid. But I mean, Chuba
Speaker 1: Hubbard is a very replacement level running back who's out there.
Speaker 1: He's he's I think he's like a lower lower end
Speaker 1: Kenny Gainwell, like Kenny Gainwell.
Speaker 4: To me, he's a much better running back than Chewbahubbard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I'm going to eat my
Speaker 2: own words here by saying some of the un sexy
Speaker 2: picks are what we need. I'm not sure Chewba Hubbard
Speaker 2: is one of those this year. I've always been a
Speaker 2: Cuba guy, but I'm just not sure that he's what
Speaker 2: we want because if Brooks works out, that's what they want.
Speaker 2: That's clearly what Carolina wants. And let me just say too,
Speaker 2: I've been reading some stuff on Twitter about his injuries,
Speaker 2: and number one, I love that he you know, he
Speaker 2: had a whole year off. And then also, the guy's
Speaker 2: fairly young. Still, he's pretty young, so I don't think
Speaker 2: that we need to worry about the fact that now
Speaker 2: he's a twenty eight year old coming off with two
Speaker 2: knee injuries. He's he's a young they want to use him.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things where, like you said,
Speaker 2: in your home leagues, they may not be clued in.
Speaker 2: I'm just a little concerned what kind of steam is
Speaker 2: going to happen in August once drafts start rolling. We're
Speaker 2: gonna see these ADPs converge and then eventually cross and
Speaker 2: certainly an expert league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll he'll go when we get out
Speaker 1: to Canton a month from now or so, uh, that
Speaker 1: will be the case. Jonathan Brooks will go off the
Speaker 1: board before Cheber Hubbard. Chewba Hubbard is It's two in
Speaker 1: the morning, you're at the bar. The lights come on
Speaker 1: and you realize, you know the person you've been talking to.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh Jesus, what have I been doing? How
Speaker 1: many Miller lights.
Speaker 4: Have I had?
Speaker 1: Like, all right, I'm gonna call me the uber, Like
Speaker 1: you had nothing to do with Chewa Hubbard at the.
Speaker 2: That's that's the analysis that you come to the auction
Speaker 2: brief for the uh.
Speaker 4: You're flirting with Chuba Hubbard like, well you.
Speaker 2: Knows that too many Pineapple high noons and Chewba Hubbards
Speaker 2: standing there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, he's got a big contract and he was good
Speaker 1: at one point, Like you could be good again. It's
Speaker 1: think you're talking to this your ex wife or somebody
Speaker 1: at the bar and you're like, you know what, it
Speaker 1: was good once back in you know, two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: it could be good again.
Speaker 4: No, it's not at all.
Speaker 2: He's got a big contract, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So all right, yeah, okay, well I think that again
Speaker 2: we're of one mind there, maybe we disagreed a little
Speaker 2: bit about the Steelers, but for the most part, we've
Speaker 2: lined up on what we were thinking here today. But
Speaker 2: my favorite part of the show is the beginning when
Speaker 2: I get to hear you know, your lessons from last year.
Speaker 2: But the audience's favorite part of the show is what
Speaker 2: we've come to now, and that is hearing what the
Speaker 2: analysts start thinking about some of the overvalued and undervalued
Speaker 2: players right now. When the show drops will be the
Speaker 2: day before July, so we're heading into that critical stretch
Speaker 2: that three weeks where everybody is breaking the law before
Speaker 2: we get into training camp. But ADP doesn't shift a
Speaker 2: whole lot between now in training camp. So what are
Speaker 2: a couple guys that you're thinking about. Let's start overvaluable
Speaker 2: the negative first will end on a positive note. A
Speaker 2: couple guys that you're thinking right now are just overvalued.
Speaker 2: You're not touching at their current ADP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I took a lot of guys here who are
Speaker 1: pretty high up the board, because that's that's what's sexy,
Speaker 1: that's what people are going to be debating when they're
Speaker 1: on the clock in the first two runs of the draft. First, guys,
Speaker 1: this is very simple for me. It's Devon ah Chan.
Speaker 1: It's a bad team, a horrible cast of characters around him.
Speaker 1: Last saw last year devon a chance saw it ten
Speaker 1: point one percent of his runs go for fifteen or
Speaker 1: more yards.
Speaker 4: That was second best in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Extrapolate that out, forty six percent of all his rushing
Speaker 1: yards came on explosive plays, again going over fifteen yards.
Speaker 4: So if you can look at a lot of advanced
Speaker 4: metrics and you.
Speaker 1: Could say, wow, eight Chan and Jimye or Gibbs are
Speaker 1: pretty much the same guy. You know, their numbers really
Speaker 1: add up. Here's the problem. A guy like Gibbs is
Speaker 1: on a great team. You know, good play caller, you
Speaker 1: know if it does. Dan Campbell's calling the plays at least,
Speaker 1: and I like the quarterback there, and the offensive line
Speaker 1: has been good in the past. We'll see now with
Speaker 1: a little shifting around, none of that is true in Miami.
Speaker 1: We've got a bad quarterback who is going to tuck
Speaker 1: and run and not dump off these little checkdowns, which
Speaker 1: is where Hn gets all of his value, and the
Speaker 1: line sucks.
Speaker 4: So this is a team.
Speaker 1: This is easily the least talented roster in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins, No question about it. They are playing
Speaker 1: to get a quarterback and get the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: Why in the world am I going to spend a
Speaker 1: first end of the first early second round pick for
Speaker 1: the best player on the worst team in the league.
Speaker 4: I'm simply not doing it.
Speaker 2: I'm totally with you. Chan is just a button I
Speaker 2: cannot click. For all of those reasons you broke it down.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna jumble things up any more than that.
Speaker 2: I just can't do it. I can't. It's and we
Speaker 2: have seen study after study that shows it is extremely
Speaker 2: difficult to be an RB one in fantasy football. When
Speaker 2: you play for a bottom three or bottom five offense.
Speaker 2: There just isn't enough scoring opportunities.
Speaker 1: How many players are how many times they're going to
Speaker 1: be in the red zone. Yeah, I got the biggest thing.
Speaker 4: With all of this.
Speaker 1: If Malik Willis just runs, you know, there's five plays
Speaker 1: in a game that maybe Tua would have checked down
Speaker 1: to a.
Speaker 4: Chanson't doing that.
Speaker 1: He's gonna just jet that's what he does, and then
Speaker 1: those are fantasy points you're not getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be extremely frustrating if you do
Speaker 2: end up with them on your team. Don't watch. That's
Speaker 2: been my tactic for a long time. There's certain guys
Speaker 2: that I will draft and never watch him. Ryan Tannehill,
Speaker 2: I think was the one who spawned that rule.
Speaker 1: Just Tim Tebow was great at that thoughts.
Speaker 4: That made dude.
Speaker 1: He had games where you would go to halftime with
Speaker 1: like negative points and then at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: like he would come out.
Speaker 2: You have seventeen because he'd run the ball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd run a ton. Oh my god, thank god.
Speaker 4: T Bow is the king of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Okay, so your first one devon a Chan,
Speaker 2: give me another one. That's uh, that's overvalued right now.
Speaker 4: Ken Walker super MVP.
Speaker 1: So this is the guy who last year in Seattle
Speaker 1: was really relegated to the between the twenties grinder role
Speaker 1: that I've talked about a few times today. Seattle did
Speaker 1: not want him on the field in passing downs or
Speaker 1: in goal line all right. Ken Walker last year only
Speaker 1: had twenty seven point six percent of Seattle's carries inside
Speaker 1: the five.
Speaker 4: That was forty eighth among all running backs.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until Charbonnay got hurt that he was forced
Speaker 1: into this full time role. And let's be honest, guy,
Speaker 1: did a great job, shined in the playoffs and the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I think he's a good player. I've drafted
Speaker 1: him a ton over the years, Drew, but guess what,
Speaker 1: every single time, he's screwed me over.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: If the lack of competition in Kansas City gives him
Speaker 1: longer lease he's gonna get more touches. But I can
Speaker 1: totally see bouncer ken Walker pissing off Andy Reid and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, they got a third down
Speaker 1: back in there who Mahomes likes a little more, and
Speaker 1: you know they're situationally using him here and there, and
Speaker 1: then ken Walker just becomes what we just mentioned between
Speaker 1: the twenties kind of grinder guy. He could get some
Speaker 1: goal line work, there's no doubt about it, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't in his career, and he hasn't been shown to
Speaker 1: be very good when he had the role. So I
Speaker 1: think ken Walker is extremely overvalued.
Speaker 2: I don't think that the Chiefs necessarily, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't understand the steam I guess is what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say here, because just because he goes to the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: that's not the same offense that we saw six years ago,
Speaker 2: so it isn't just all of a sudden plug and
Speaker 2: play top five guy. I'm a little bit surprised that
Speaker 2: he's gone up as much as he has. The name
Speaker 2: that we're hearing behind him is a Murray de Mercato,
Speaker 2: which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we may not see Walker as much as
Speaker 2: we want in third downs. I don't know if Emmitt
Speaker 2: Johnson's going to steal goal line looks from him or not.
Speaker 2: But one thing about Andy Reid is he throws the
Speaker 2: ball a ton inside the ten yard line. He loves
Speaker 2: to throw the ball. And now I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's a if there's a chicken or egg situation here
Speaker 2: where he was throwing because he didn't have a guy
Speaker 2: you could count on, and maybe that's gonna change. And
Speaker 2: who knows, we'll be sitting here next year talking about
Speaker 2: how we screwed this up and he had fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2: But they don't like to throw inside the ten So
Speaker 2: if that changes, it changes, and that's you know, that's
Speaker 2: a mistake I'm willing to live with. But Okay, that's
Speaker 2: a good couple of overvalue guys. Those are hot names
Speaker 2: in the top couple of rounds there?
Speaker 4: So do we bring the clickbait here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're doing. We're clickbaiting. So okay, how
Speaker 2: about some undervalue guys? And that's where I'm gonna leave
Speaker 2: you for today. Give me somebody that you think is
Speaker 2: just going too low right now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing my job as an Eagles homer
Speaker 1: if I didn't crow bar a Philadelphia Eagle in here.
Speaker 1: So how about Saquon Barkley a year ago? Barkley was
Speaker 1: a top five pick in draft. That's where you had
Speaker 1: to get him right now. He's a middle of the
Speaker 1: second round type player. So Philly's issues, and trust me,
Speaker 1: I watched every snap, folks. Their issues last year started
Speaker 1: with a horrific play caller in Kevin Bittulo, and their
Speaker 1: offensive line was decimated by injuries. Those injuries actually started.
Speaker 1: You can go back to the playoffs the year before
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. Honestly, I actually watched the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl last night. I was sitting here in my house,
Speaker 1: like just eating like a pizza and having a beer,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, there's nothing on. Let's put on
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl from two years ago. And they talked
Speaker 1: about Landon Dickerson you know the injuries that he's gone through,
Speaker 1: and you know, between center and guard, they've had a
Speaker 1: number of injuries. And last year you also missed time
Speaker 1: with Lane Johnson out. If those guys are healthy, you
Speaker 1: have anyone with half a brain calling the plays. Barkley
Speaker 1: is going to exceed expectations. So Sean Mannion's gonna have
Speaker 1: an offense drew with a lot of twelve personnel. They
Speaker 1: went out and they got themselves a blocking tight end
Speaker 1: as well. They're gonna run more motion. They were terrible
Speaker 1: at that last year. And Jalen Hurts is gonna be
Speaker 1: under center more. These are all things that are gonna
Speaker 1: bode well for Barkley, who was stuffed a ton when
Speaker 1: they were just literally doing shotgun draws to him, you know,
Speaker 1: off tackle and everyone knew it was coming. So Barkley
Speaker 1: is a guy I think people are gonna look at
Speaker 1: it and go man, Saquon Barkley is like a really
Speaker 1: good player, and what the hell nobody wanted him with
Speaker 1: the first twenty picks of the draft on a team
Speaker 1: that's probably going to win their division.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they still got a really good defense, which is
Speaker 2: always a great compliment to the running game. And I
Speaker 2: was talking about this believe it or not on my
Speaker 2: show last week, and I said, if Barkley had four
Speaker 2: more touchdowns last year. Now, I know, I know people are, oh, four,
Speaker 2: like that's a lot. I get it. But it's Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 2: and he had his opportunities last year that he didn't cash.
Speaker 2: So I think we're having a different conversation this year
Speaker 2: if he just punches in a couple more touchdowns. Because
Speaker 2: while he was a little bit quote unquote disappointing for
Speaker 2: what he had done the previous year, I do agree
Speaker 2: that with a strong defense and just marginally better play calling,
Speaker 2: I think we could see a different Barkley this year.
Speaker 2: All right, that's a good one to start. How about
Speaker 2: another guy that you considered to be an undervalued player
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: All right, and this is a guy who I still
Speaker 1: don't understand how his jersey is not hanging behind you
Speaker 1: in the studio. How about ray she Rice Baby middle
Speaker 1: of round three ADP.
Speaker 4: All Right, Yes, he's a knucklehead, we get that.
Speaker 1: But folks, when he's on the field, this guy's a
Speaker 1: PPR tsunami. Last year, in just eight games, he finished
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver one in five of them. His
Speaker 1: lowest target number in any of those games was seven.
Speaker 1: Look at the roster. Who the hell else they're throwing
Speaker 1: a ball to a You got Grandpa Kelsey, who himself
Speaker 1: might actually be a massive valued ADP.
Speaker 4: But the wide receiver group here is a joke. So
Speaker 4: Racie Rice went on.
Speaker 1: The field is a top five Fantasy wide receiver right now.
Speaker 1: You can get him as like wide receiver thirteen to fifteen, easy,
Speaker 1: easy undervalue for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right when he came back, they started throwing in
Speaker 2: the ball near the goal line too, like they had
Speaker 2: designed all these weird touches that were manufactured Andy Reid
Speaker 2: megabombs that were like, hey, we're gonna throw the ball
Speaker 2: to Rice in this weird way. And so yeah, I
Speaker 2: think the thing with Rice is, and this is what
Speaker 2: I said in the Patreon that I haven't said on
Speaker 2: the show or anywhere else yet. But if you're talking
Speaker 2: about Rashi Rice and you get into the middle of
Speaker 2: or end of August and you're having your draft and
Speaker 2: nothing else has happened, one of the things I've pointed
Speaker 2: out is that a lot of times when he gets
Speaker 2: in trouble, it's when he's got too much time on
Speaker 2: his hands in the off season. During the season, he's
Speaker 2: generally been staying out of trouble. And all you're asking
Speaker 2: in a redraft setting like we're talking about, is to
Speaker 2: make one hundred and twenty day bet. Can he stay
Speaker 2: out of trouble for one hundred and twenty days and
Speaker 2: we can worry about the rest later next offseason when
Speaker 2: he does something else done, but for one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty days, if you can stay out of trouble, he
Speaker 2: is a value right now. That is one hundred percent
Speaker 2: for sure. Okay, well, hey, we've had a little bit
Speaker 2: of technical difficulties. I hope that doesn't come through on
Speaker 2: the show. I'm going to do some creative editing and
Speaker 2: I want to thank my guest Brian Drake for powering
Speaker 2: through that stuff today because it's taken a little bit
Speaker 2: of extra time. So hey, let me just close once more,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to stop saying it, I promise, but
Speaker 2: thank you again my friend for bringing me along to
Speaker 2: the Serious Show. I'm super excited about it. Thanks for
Speaker 2: all being a big supporter of mine. And tell everybody
Speaker 2: again where they can find you on Twitter and where
Speaker 2: they can find your podcast and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so check out the Fantasy Points podcast. Whenever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts, just you know, search Fantasy Points podcast.
Speaker 1: You see a little cartoon face of the guru. That's
Speaker 1: how you know you're on the right one. On Twitter
Speaker 1: at Drake Fantasy, you can say hello to me over there,
Speaker 1: and I'll be out of the Fantasy Football Expo. If
Speaker 1: any of you guys are going out there, I'll be
Speaker 1: there Friday and yeah, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I'll be drafting
Speaker 1: the Kings Classic, doing some radio shows, and drinking some
Speaker 1: adult beverages.
Speaker 4: So come say hello out there.
Speaker 2: Heck yeah, I can't wait for the expo. I finally
Speaker 2: am dragging one of my buddies out there. So my
Speaker 2: buddy Morgan, who's coming out. Let's be honest. He's coming
Speaker 2: to see the celebrities that are going to be there,
Speaker 2: not me, but hey, it'll be cool. He's a fun guy.
Speaker 2: You'll enjoy meeting him, and I'm sure he'll be hanging
Speaker 2: around with us most of the weekend. But I can't
Speaker 2: wait to be there. And you're gonna bring some surfsiders, right.
Speaker 4: The coolers already loaded.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest here, whatever, bring me those gatorade things. Man,
Speaker 2: what are those things?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll bring that.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna crack but thirty seconds after we get
Speaker 1: off the show here, so I've got an hour break
Speaker 1: and then I record with the Guru for our show,
Speaker 1: so sneak one in between.
Speaker 2: All right, excellent, Well thank you again, mate, Yeah, thanks
Speaker 2: again for coming on the show, and thanks for being
Speaker 2: a huge supporter of the Auction Brief. You got brother,
Speaker 2: all right, mister Brian Drake at Drake Fantasy on Twitter,
Speaker 2: don't forget to go over and find his stuff and
Speaker 2: his excellent podcast with the Guru himself, John Hanson. That's
Speaker 2: going to do it for another week of discussions with Drew.
Speaker 2: All right, that's going to wrap up another week of
Speaker 2: discussions with Drew as we strive to talk with the
Speaker 2: smartest people in the business every single week. Don't forget
Speaker 2: to tune in Thursday morning for my solo time and
Speaker 2: the Auction Brief. Mike, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: us this week. I'll talk to you real soon. The
Speaker 2: Auction Brief is adjourned.
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