1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,960 your support. Last hour I explained why Gary mcfatten, the 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,359 sheriff of Mecklenburg County, is no different than the judge. 11 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:41,240 Hang on a second, hang on, get her name? What 12 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:41,920 is her name? 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,719 Speaker 2: I know it's. 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:51,439 Speaker 1: Dugan, Sarah Hannah Hannah Dugan up in Milwaukee. How she 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,840 helped an illegal criminal alien escape out of her courtroom. 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,719 McFadden is doing the same thing. He's just doing it 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,280 via policy, and he's doing it on a larger scale, 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,280 no difference. The practical effect is the same. And so 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:12,439 the North Carolina Legislature is trying to once again close 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,480 a loophole that McFadden and about four other sheriffs across 21 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:22,040 the state are exploiting, are abusing in the law. So 22 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:25,200 they can continue to not cooperate with ICE and so 23 00:01:25,239 --> 00:01:29,760 they can continue to help illegal criminal aliens avoid deportation. 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,920 The bill is House Bill three eighteen, and it passed 25 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:43,000 the House yesterday. After passage, the House Republican Press account 26 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:45,480 took to the Twitter machine or the X machine, if 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,120 you will, and took aim at Democrats opposition to the bill, saying, quote, 28 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:54,680 based on today's debate on the Criminal Illegal Alien Enforcement Act, 29 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:57,920 it's clear Democrats have not learned any lessons from the 30 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:01,640 twenty twenty four election. The CAN people have spoken clearly, 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,519 if you are an illegal alien and you commit crimes, 32 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:09,159 you gotta go. The House Republican Caucus also sent out 33 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:13,639 a tweet calling out specific Democrats and offering to pay 34 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:17,080 for them to fly to El Salvador to meet MS 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,439 thirteen gang members. If you would like to go down, 36 00:02:21,439 --> 00:02:24,879 they will pay your plane ride, which I don't know 37 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:27,080 if they I don't know if they will now because 38 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:32,800 there was a scoop over at the bulwark that Hakim Jeffries, 39 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,599 the House Minority Leader up in DC, the US House 40 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:43,240 Democrat Leader Hakim Jeffries has apparently told his caucus all 41 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,960 his fellow Democrats no more trips to El Salvador, which 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,159 is so weird because I thought it was such a 43 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,560 brilliant photo op. It was such a brave and heroic thing. 44 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,599 Why would you tell them to stop doing the brave 45 00:02:55,719 --> 00:02:59,960 and heroic thing, Hakim? What's up with that? Oh? Maybe 46 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,919 it actually doesn't actually look good to voters to see 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,039 Democrats flying down to El Salvador to do photo opsipping 48 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:13,599 margaritas with an MS thirteen gang member. Maybe that's not 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,360 the right play here, guys. I mean, I'm not saying 50 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,199 that you don't still agree that all the MS thirteen 51 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,120 gangbangers should be in the country illegally and never deported. 52 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:25,719 You still believe that. Let's just keep that under wraps though. 53 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:31,520 We don't need to advertise this sort of thing. So 54 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,080 I said in the last hour that I had audio clips, 55 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:35,919 and I do that was not a line. I have 56 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,240 audio clips of some of the arguments that were made 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,400 by Democrats and Republicans. But the Democrats were arguing against 58 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:51,360 this bill, for example, Marsha Moury, Democrat from Durham. This 59 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:55,879 woman was a judge. Just keep this in mind when 60 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:59,520 you hear her make these arguments. This woman was a judge. 61 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,840 She said, this bill is not about safety, not about 62 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:07,520 public safety. She says, it's really about do you want 63 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,960 to know due process? That's right, it's about due process. 64 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,720 And this new legislation expands the types of felonies beyond 65 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:21,480 just the violent ones, and she's got a problem with that. 66 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,639 Speaker 3: So we're not really talking about safety here. If you 67 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,800 have a gift card that you're trying to pass illegally 68 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,720 at a department store after Christmas, that's a felony and 69 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,560 that could be covered by this. It's not a violent crime. 70 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,199 So we're expanding it. We're expanding it to a one 71 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,920 misdemeanors as we just amended it. The problem is there 72 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:46,000 are legal issues to do process. A warrant is not 73 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:50,000 a detainer in the eyes of a law. A detainer 74 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:54,279 is not an official document signed by a judge. It 75 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,000 is a detainer request by ice. And I know we've 76 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,040 gone over this many times. A a person in jail 77 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,319 has not been convicted, they have been charged with a crime. 78 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:09,439 There is a due process right of innocence until you're 79 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,480 proven guilty. If you are in jail, you are right 80 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,120 to do process of bail. It is in our constitution 81 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,639 and what HB. Ten did, and what we are doing 82 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,639 today is saying, if you make bail or if you 83 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,000 have served your sentence, if there is a suspicion you 84 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:31,240 are not a resident, we will hold you for forty 85 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,160 eight extra No. 86 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,319 Speaker 1: No, not a resident, a citizen. You're not supposed to 87 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,720 be in the country in the first place. What is 88 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:47,439 her argument? What is the underlying assumption here that anybody 89 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:51,040 that comes in gets to stay even if they get 90 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:58,519 arrested for something, even if then she wants quote due process, 91 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,079 because they're innocent until proven guilty. So we know they're 92 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,439 in the country illegally. They can tell that because they 93 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:08,639 come in, they get identified and they figure out, oh, 94 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,480 you're not a citizen. We have fingerprints, right, Sometimes they 95 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:17,920 offer up their real identity. If they don't and they're 96 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:22,360 in some system a global fingerprinting, you know, identification system, 97 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:26,199 then we figure that out and it's like, oh, okay, 98 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,360 they're not supposed to be here and they were picked 99 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:33,439 up on this charge. So what you're demanding that they 100 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,279 only get deported if they get convicted of that crime. 101 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:38,839 Is that what you're saying, because that's what it sounds 102 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:39,439 like she's saying. 103 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: Hours and today we are redefining what those forty eight 104 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,319 hours means. No longer is it when the ICE attainer 105 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:55,319 is issued. Now it is when the person is ready 106 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,680 to be released, the forty eight hours will begin. And 107 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,040 then this bill says, not only will it be forty 108 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:04,079 eight hours when they're ready to be released, it will 109 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,560 be another two hours for the official at the jail 110 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,480 to call ICE and say, in two hours the person 111 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:14,319 will be released. Are we going to get something from 112 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,199 you to halt and deport them? 113 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:23,839 Speaker 1: Right? So, here's a question. If this is a due 114 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:28,040 process problem for the non violent felonies, wouldn't it also 115 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:33,319 be a due process problem for the violent felonies as well. 116 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:39,000 There's no daylight between this argument and one that says 117 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:42,319 anybody that's ever arrested, any illegal alien that's arrested for 118 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:50,000 any crime, can ever be handed off to ICE. There's 119 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:55,560 no daylight. The severity of the charge is irrelevant. If 120 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,680 you're making a due process argument. The severity of the 121 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,879 charge does not matter. The only thing that matters is 122 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,680 the due process right. She called it an attack on 123 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:14,759 undocumented people in the state, an attack. You've already ended 124 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:20,600 up in jail. You cross the border illegally, you did 125 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,759 something that got you, that got the cops called on you. 126 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:27,360 They found probable cause that you committed some sort of 127 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:30,439 a crime. They then process you into the jail. They 128 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,679 find out you are not here legally, and they contact ICE. ICE, then, 129 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,679 by the way, has the opportunity to say we're not 130 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,320 going to pick them up, and they do that. By 131 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,279 the way, ICE does that. ICE sometimes they issue the 132 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,039 detainer and then they never come and get them. Sometimes 133 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,360 they don't even issue the detainer for illegal aliens. So 134 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,360 this isn't like the CMBD is running around arresting everybody 135 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,320 that they can just for the way they look or 136 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,600 the car they drive it they speak a to different language. 137 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:04,879 That's not happening. But this is what the Democrats need 138 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:09,159 you to believe is happening, so you will oppose any 139 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,799 effort to clamp down on illegal immigration. And again, all 140 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:15,840 of this works only if you have a secure US border, 141 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,519 which we now have something that resembles it, once again 142 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,799 proving that it was a lack of will to close 143 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:27,000 the border. It was a lack of will to get 144 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:30,519 control of the border. 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Let's head over to the phone lines and 167 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:42,559 chat with Ray, Hello, Ray, Welcome to the show. 168 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,159 Speaker 4: Hello fat How are you doing? 169 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing well, sir, How are you pretty good? 170 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:52,399 Speaker 4: H Every time I hear about I'm reminded of people 171 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,840 like from Gary McFadden all the way up to Joe 172 00:10:55,879 --> 00:10:58,799 Biden and all the incoonfidence in between, and people that 173 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:02,200 don't do the right thing. I'm reminded that they are 174 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,799 a product of the of the uninformed or ignorant voters 175 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,320 or both. And I'm also reminded of that when I 176 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,519 when I watch a news story on TV about another 177 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,000 shooting in Charlotte, the people get on there that are 178 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:22,519 the loved ones of the person that was killed and say, 179 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:27,320 why does this happen? Why can't we stop this? And 180 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:32,039 you know, I'm just thinking to myself, they they want 181 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:35,360 all this killing to stop, but yet on election day there, 182 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,320 I guess they're too uninformed to go down there and 183 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,519 figure out who to vote in to make these things stop. 184 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:50,159 Speaker 1: Well, they're they're usually afraid of Republicans, right, that's fearselves 185 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:53,159 and Democrats have been selling fear to their voters for 186 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,879 a very very long time, whether it's throwing Grandma off 187 00:11:55,879 --> 00:11:58,799 a cliff or they're going to take all of your Medicaid, Medicare, 188 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:02,879 social security benefits, whatever. They're going to fire you, all 189 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:04,759 of these types of air. They're going to take control 190 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:08,000 of your body. They're going to be inspecting your your genitalia. 191 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:13,000 All of these things are done specifically to motivate people 192 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,679 based off of fear, and so voters, once they buy 193 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:22,559 into the fear, then yeah, they go in there and 194 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:25,279 they think, well, the other team is worse, so I'm 195 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,559 going to keep voting for this team and maybe they'll 196 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:30,720 maybe now they'll listen to me. Oh, they said the 197 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:33,360 right things on the campaign trail, but yeah, nothing changes. 198 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:35,879 But then again, when it comes to the violence part 199 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:41,360 of your statement, that's not something really that can be 200 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:47,000 corrected by by government. That starts at the personal and 201 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,240 family level, right, Like, those are things that you have 202 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,480 to inculcate that inside the family unit. And you know, 203 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,320 a lot of times they are looking for people to 204 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,720 solve a problem that they themselves should have solved or 205 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:04,320 should have helped to ameliorate in the first place. 206 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, Yeah, that's it's just terrible that people have 207 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:15,240 to you know, keep seeing their son keeled and then 208 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,720 they just you know, organize the march with signs and 209 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:23,559 march around then in the streets and say stop the killing, 210 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,279 stop the killing, and it just keeps on going on. 211 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And again I've said this about many things, 212 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:34,519 but this does not stop until people choose for it 213 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,159 to stop. And that would require people to make a 214 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,360 different decision. And I think we see what happens. Like 215 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,720 look with Donald Trump and and you know, closing the border. 216 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,480 He promised that this is what he would do. He 217 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,200 made it very clear in the campaign that he was 218 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,159 going to close the border and he was going to 219 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,080 do mass deportations, and people voted for him, so like 220 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:01,159 nobody should be surprised by what he's doing. But also 221 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,000 the public attitude has shifted on this issue, so it 222 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:10,360 can happen, but people have to arrive at a different position. 223 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,720 They have to kind of see the error of their 224 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:17,960 previous belief. So yeah, yeah, right, all right, I appreciate it. 225 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Good to hear from you, sir. Here's a message from 226 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,000 uh Gigi who says, listening about the detainers and does 227 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:30,559 Gary not my fault? McFadden answer to the county commissioners, Uh, 228 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:35,039 he does not, really, he answers to the voters. He 229 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,679 gets funding from the County Commission, and so they can 230 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,759 squeeze him on the funding front. But no, he answers 231 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:48,840 to the voters. If not, who is his boss? He 232 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,039 is the boss he is. It is an elected office. 233 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,000 He is his own boss. We are the boss of him, 234 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,720 the citizens of Meckleberg County. Now that's not to say 235 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,440 that there aren't things that can be done to fire 236 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:11,320 him besides defeating him at the ballot box. I've gone 237 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,600 over this before, but this is the general Statute sixteen 238 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:23,120 Officers subject to removal. Any sheriff or police officer shall 239 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:27,960 be removed from office by the Judge of the Superior 240 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:36,519 Court upon charges made in writing. So you have to 241 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,120 you've got to, you know, write up charges, file them 242 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:47,799 with the county attorney or the district attorney, and then 243 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:50,919 the judge of the Superior Court would here and I 244 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:53,240 assume that means chief judge, but maybe any judge I 245 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:58,799 don't know, would then hear the case and could remove 246 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:05,639 that share for cause. And there are six causes intoxication, 247 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:12,960 conviction of a felony, extortion, corruption, willful or habitual neglect, 248 00:16:13,039 --> 00:16:16,879 or refusal to perform the duties of his office. So 249 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,799 if he persists in this obstruction against Ice. This could 250 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:23,639 be something that they could tag him for, but I 251 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,720 would submit that the one that you could already nail 252 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:34,840 him on is maladministration in office. Maladministration which you look 253 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,120 at what his staff has been saying for years, the 254 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,120 way he's running the sheriff's office. I feel like there's 255 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,360 plenty of evidence. Now, how do you get the written 256 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:49,759 petition in the first place, Well, that can be filed 257 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,320 upon the relation of any five qualified electors of the county. 258 00:16:55,159 --> 00:16:59,879 So five Mecklenburg voters can get together and submit in 259 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:06,839 writing some complaint basically upon the approval of the County 260 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:09,880 Attorney of such county or the DA of the district, 261 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,960 or by any such officer upon his own motion, so 262 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,599 he could remove himself. There is already a law for this. 263 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,920 Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to 264 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,480 a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina? 265 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,279 Just a quick drive up the mountain and cabins of Asheville. 266 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,160 Is your connection. 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And just because you snuck in 291 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,720 through the back window doesn't mean you get excuse me, 292 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:09,519 any more rights to quote due process than somebody who 293 00:19:09,599 --> 00:19:13,759 has legally come through the system. He says, why are 294 00:19:13,839 --> 00:19:17,440 we even discussing illegal immigrants who have been charged being 295 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,519 turned over to Ice or which felonies would merit deportation 296 00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:23,599 right because they have to come up with some sort 297 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,920 of an excuse. They have to formulate some kind of 298 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:34,400 an argument. For example, here is Representative Jordan Lopez, Democrat 299 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,279 from Mecklamburg County. He said he was angry when he 300 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:41,319 saw the White House lawn signs with all the people's 301 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,359 faces who had been deported. You've seen this, right. The 302 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,200 White House went and put yard signs and put pictures 303 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,359 of the criminal aliens that were deported in the crimes 304 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,319 that they were charged with, and they put like a 305 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,400 hundred of them or something across the White House lawn. 306 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,759 Forcing all of the reporters that were doing their live 307 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:01,599 shots out there to have to have these in the background. 308 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:06,480 Some outlets even blurt out the photos, Jordan said, or 309 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:10,799 Jordan Lopez said. Everyone cares about public safety, of course, 310 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,680 but then he said, why are we doing the federal 311 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,400 government's job for them? He said, in the first month 312 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,640 of the Trump administration, four hundred and forty seven detainers 313 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,480 were issued in North Carolina by ice, but only fifty 314 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,400 three people were taken into ice custody. See, so it's 315 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,559 not even effective. 316 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 5: It gets us no closer to the safe for North 317 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,559 Carolina that we all want. It only plays into a 318 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,160 narrative created by a deeply unpopular federal administration to escapego 319 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,279 people who don't look a certain way, who don't speak 320 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:42,839 a certain way, or who come from different places for 321 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,240 the issues that we have. And that's just not the case. 322 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,799 Speaker 1: Alright. So okay, I'm confused by your argument. Now are 323 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,160 you telling me that with the four hundred and forty 324 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,519 seven detainers that were issued, only fifty three people were 325 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:57,519 taken into ice custody. So it's not effective. But also 326 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,519 this is a really effective scapegoting operation or something. You 327 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:03,920 guys got to you have to pick one side of 328 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,319 this argument. Okay, it's either the worst thing ever or 329 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,599 it doesn't work right. You can't say that, oh, they're 330 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,960 just trying to target all of these different people, but 331 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,119 then they're not actually taking them into custody. You can't 332 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,480 say that they're you know, trying to racially profile people 333 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:23,599 and deport wrong people in all of this, but then 334 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,039 turn around and say that it's actually not effective. Which 335 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:34,519 is it? Right? Which is it? And to this to 336 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:40,000 the question of whether or not we're doing the federal 337 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:43,839 government's job for them, we're actually not doing their job 338 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,559 for them. The locals are not doing The state is 339 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,440 not doing the federal government's job for the federal government. 340 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:55,200 They're cooperating with the federal government as the government attempts 341 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,079 to do its job. The state is simply trying to 342 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,200 cooperate to help the feds do what they're going to 343 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,920 do with an aim towards public safety. He said, Also, 344 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:12,519 it would open up the possibility for lawsuits this old canard, 345 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:17,000 which I obviously has not happened. There haven't been lawsuits 346 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,920 against all of the sheriffs that have been cooperating with Ice. 347 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:24,200 That is a red herring. Then you've got Maria Servanna 348 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:27,279 Democrat from Waite County. She said she was pulled over 349 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,920 years ago. She was pulled over and stopped for having 350 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,599 out of state plates. I don't know how she knows this, 351 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,839 she says, that's why she got stopped. She was asked 352 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,519 where she was born by the officer that pulled her over. 353 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:46,279 She was detained, and she's from Oakland, California. She was 354 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:48,319 detained for three hours on the side of the road, 355 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,599 she said, and threatened with being sent to an ice 356 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,960 detention center. 357 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:55,599 Speaker 3: If we don't continue. 358 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: Oh, hang on a second, my bed's that's Carla Konia. 359 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,000 This is Maria Servie. 360 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: You this orders law enforcement people to hold people longer, 361 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,160 not just because they're guilty, because they still haven't been 362 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,640 charged for a crime. 363 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: Not true. They are charged with a crime. That's how 364 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,000 they ended up in the jail. They haven't been convicted. 365 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:18,960 See this like the This is like the gun control debate. 366 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,680 I feel like it's important for us to kind of 367 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,160 get an understanding of your understanding of this issue before 368 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,960 we listen to what you're saying. Okay, because when you 369 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,960 say that they haven't even been charged with a crime, 370 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,880 they have been. That's how they're in the jail. 371 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: Not because of evidence, but simply because of suspicion because 372 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,240 who they are or they're assumed to be. HB Three 373 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,799 eighteen doesn't protect our communities. It profiles them. 374 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: It actually does not do that either. Again, if you 375 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,039 are arrested for some sort of a serious crime, then 376 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,039 it forces the share to relay your identity and your 377 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,400 presence in the jail to ICE. ICE would still determine 378 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,519 whether or not to come get you and deport you. 379 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:14,200 And that's a determination that ICE makes and the judge 380 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,519 in the immigration court makes. 381 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: Doesn't deliver justice, it delays it. Oh, it doesn't make 382 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,559 us safer, it makes us smaller. And if ICE doesn't 383 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:30,519 pick you up, what happens You lose hours in your life, days, 384 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:36,640 maybe your job, maybe your family's trust in the system forever, 385 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359 the trust that we should have for law enforcement, the 386 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,240 law enforcement that we respect to serve law and order. 387 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: Again, I'm kind of confused. Didn't you just say that 388 00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:52,640 some racisty cop pulled you over on the side of 389 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,240 the road because you look like you were a foreigner 390 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,039 and then said like, I'm going to send you to 391 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,960 ICE and all this. But then on the other hand, 392 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,079 they're like, oh, we respect all the law enforcement officers, 393 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:05,799 and so the only reason that cop was acting that 394 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:09,720 way was because a law allowed him to act that way. 395 00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,960 And if we just allow any illegal alien to stay, 396 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,400 then cops won't act all racisty or something like. These 397 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:20,000 arguments are so dumb. They're so dumb. But then again, 398 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,640 I can sympathize. I can. I don't know how I 399 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,640 would defend this crap either. I'm not saying I could 400 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,359 come up with a better argument, not at all. 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Mail orders 418 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,400 are accepted to get all the details that create a 419 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:36,119 video dot com. Here's a message from James who says, 420 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,000 are there any provisions in the North Carolina House bill 421 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,759 or Senate bill that would allow victims to pursue litigation 422 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,920 against the sheriff and or community leaders should an illegal 423 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:49,279 be released out into the community and then repeat their 424 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:54,519 crime or crimes. The Senate version I have in my hands. 425 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:56,799 I don't have the House I did not print out 426 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:04,759 the House version. The Senate version states quote A county 427 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,079 in violation of this section shall have waived its governmental immunity. 428 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,519 A county shall shall have waived its immunity from civil 429 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:19,039 liability in tort if it does not comply with General 430 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:23,200 Statute one fifty three A five and an unauthorized alien 431 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,559 commits a crime against a person or property within the 432 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,480 corporate limits of the county. So yes, you would be 433 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:34,039 able to sue the county, the sheriff, the officials personally 434 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,079 and at the governmental level. I don't know if that 435 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,440 provision is in the Senate version or sorry, the House 436 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:46,400 version that passed yesterday. But if they pass their own versions, 437 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,920 then they will get together with a conference committee and 438 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,519 hammer out revisions and then send them back to the 439 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:01,240 chambers for sign off for approval. So I hope, I 440 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,480 hope it survives that conference if it isn't already in 441 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,519 the House version. Now, there is a Republican out of 442 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,680 Caberi's county named Brian at Shavaria, and he got up 443 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,759 and spoke to he's a Republican. He says he is 444 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:20,519 from an immigrant family, and he supports this order. On 445 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:24,720 a second, gosh, that's twice real, professional pete, he says 446 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,519 he is from an immigrant family and he supports the bill. 447 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 6: We're closing loopholes because five or so sheriffs have refused 448 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,920 to cooperate with the spirit of this law. And so 449 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,079 while it can be debated like a new bill, it's not. 450 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:45,079 What it is is a it's addressing abuses of our 451 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:51,720 current statue. Yes, and as the descendant of legal immigrants. 452 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,440 I know my ninety two year old grandfather who immigrated 453 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,880 from Cuba, agrees with this. He agrees with the idea 454 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,960 that he did it right, that there is a big, 455 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,839 beautiful door, that there is a way to seek asylum, 456 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,759 and that if you came illegally and you're committing a crime, 457 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:16,519 you're actually begging for a ride back to your country, 458 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,640 whatever country that is. 459 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: Now. 460 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:26,559 Speaker 6: What's interesting is we like to conflate illegal immigrant an immigrant, 461 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,440 and as a descendant of immigrants, they are not the 462 00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:38,640 same legal immigrants. People who go through the process are 463 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:43,119 often insulted by the idea that people want to skip 464 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,960 the line, break the law, and not pay the price 465 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:54,000 for doing so now unfavorably. I also come from a 466 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,480 family well acquainted with consequences, and far too often we 467 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,720 have a conversation in here and someone is attempting to 468 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:10,359 deliver someone from the consequences of their action. Yes, the 469 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,839 truth is, if you're here illegally, you cross the border, 470 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:17,920 you're not an asylum seeker. I have family that came 471 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,039 over and over state of visa and it cost them 472 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:24,599 ten years back in their country before they can apply 473 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,119 to come over again. They paid the price. They are 474 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,359 familiar with consequences. 475 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,559 Speaker 1: This has been one of the I'm so glad, he 476 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:39,640 said this. This has been one of the unspoken, unreported 477 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:47,079 tensions inside this debate between legal and illegal immigrants. When 478 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,599 when you look at polling, you see that people who 479 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:54,400 have come to this country the proper way, the legal way, 480 00:30:55,039 --> 00:31:00,000 and have gotten their citizenship, they've become naturalized citizens, they are, 481 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:05,119 as he said, insulted. They take great offense at the 482 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,480 others who did not do it correctly and are being rewarded, 483 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440 or at least they're being told they could be rewarded 484 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,359 with the same prize that people who came legally spent 485 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:24,920 years and thousands of dollars to achieve. It is insulting 486 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,000 to them. It's not fair. It's also not fair, by 487 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,359 the way, to people from all over the world that 488 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,599 want to come as well, but don't have the luxury 489 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,039 of doing so because they don't live on a connected 490 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:47,720 land mass. This House measure introduces new pre trial release procedures, 491 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,640 whereby judicial officials would be required to attempt to verify 492 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:59,240 a defendant's legal residency or citizenship status through questioning, document examination, 493 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:04,720 or or both. This was the two eighty seven G program, right, 494 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,359 this is what sheriff's offices were doing. Our sheriff's office 495 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,480 was doing this. We were actually a national leader in 496 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,799 the two eighty seven G program, and then this sheriff 497 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,720 scrapped it, got rid of it, promised to do so, 498 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,640 and then did so. So now they're saying, no, you 499 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,000 have to actually try to find out the identity and 500 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,319 residency of the people in your jail. If officials cannot 501 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:31,440 determine legal status, they must set standard pre trial release 502 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,640 conditions and commit that individual to a detention facility where 503 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:41,039 they will be fingerprinted. An ICE query on that individual 504 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240 must be made and the prisoner is held for two 505 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,160 hours and then either be released if there's no detainer 506 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,279 issued or processed under the detainer procedures, if they do 507 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,799 get a detainer request from ICE. And under the approved 508 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,880 bill version, this verification would apply to individuals charged with 509 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,240 any felony, certain Class A one misdemeanors, violations of domestic violence, 510 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:10,359 protective orders, and impaired driving offenses. The expanded list would 511 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:17,440 include burglaries, theft, embezzlement, fraud, forgery, and drunk driving. Law 512 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,400 enforcement officers would also receive immunity protection from civil or 513 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,200 criminal liability for actions taken in compliance with these requirements. 514 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,640 So that takes this argument of oh, we're going to 515 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,200 get suit, takes it off the table for Sheriff Gary. 516 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,880 Not my fault, mcfatt. All right, that'll do it for 517 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,599 this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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