WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.200 Oh yes, it is that time again, time to make 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.639 a change. You are listening to you, timeous Cornel West 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:09.880 and Nina Turner. We are so excited as always to 4 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.839 be with you today, Doc. Besides, what's on your heart, 5 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:18.519 your mind and your soul today? If Minister Malcolm X 6 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:22.079 had been alive, he would be one hundred years Oh. 7 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:25.239 I know we did a teacher in Thursday about the minister, 8 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:29.239 But my god, what a great and fabulous day to 9 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.479 talk about Minister Malcolm X and all that he did 10 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:36.039 to shake this country. He shook the world in such 11 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.600 a beautiful way. You want to talk about courage and conviction. 12 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.759 He had it. Not a perfect man, because there are 13 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:46.280 no perfect men, no perfect women, no perfect people. But 14 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:50.759 he had a perfect courage and consciousness and love for 15 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.799 his people and for justice, so much so his life 16 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:59.359 was on the line before though we get to any 17 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:04.200 that Doc is in the house. What is on your heart, 18 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:05.640 your soul and your mind. 19 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:10.000 Well, my dear sister, you can imagine. We can never 20 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:15.480 say enough about Malcolm g now always add now that 21 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:20.200 he shared a birthday with the Great Lorraine Hansbury, she 22 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:24.760 was ninety five. He would be one hundred last major 23 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:29.239 public event that he attended was her funeral. He was 24 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:33.000 sitting on the front row in that blizzard right here 25 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:39.040 in the Presbyterian Church of the Master in Harlem, and 26 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:43.560 he said what he said. She resonated with me in 27 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:45.879 the same way I resonated with her. And who gave 28 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:53.120 the eulogy, Paul Robeson. He came out of house arrests 29 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:59.840 forty six, forty five Walnut Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, living in 30 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.760 his sisters out. So that the connection of Malcolm and 31 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:11.680 Lorraine is very important because two revolutionary figures artists are 32 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:16.919 part and part of a larger evolutionary tradition that deduced them. 33 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:21.680 I'm talking about Reverend Earl Little, He's my fellow Black 34 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:26.000 Baptist men's the head of the U. N. I. Garvey's 35 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:32.520 organization in Omahall was killed by cowardly white supremacist terrorists 36 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.199 there in Omaha. And his magnificent mother Louise. We also 37 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:42.960 talked about Malcolm like Lorraine with Carl and Nanny. They 38 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:52.199 got parents, they got family be when we talk about them, 39 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:58.520 they got precious skill dren who are still raising their voices, 40 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:05.240 let alone, of course, oh of sons and daughters politically, religiously, ideologically, 41 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.479 and so on, and so you're absolutely right. I was 42 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:12.159 blessed to remind my dear brothers in more House yesterday 43 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:17.520 that given their magnificent commencement day, it would be one 44 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:23.159 hundred years the next day, which is today, that Malcolm 45 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:27.879 was born, in ninety five years that Lorraine Hansbury was born. 46 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:33.759 I think most importantly, though, that Malcolm provides for us 47 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:42.360 a genuine example of what it means to be sincere, 48 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.039 what it means to be honest, what it means to 49 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:50.719 be a person of integrity. Saved you me mean what 50 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.280 you say, be willing to put your body on the line, 51 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.000 change your mind. When you change your mind, it is 52 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:02.120 a sincere change of In fact, Lauren Hansbury asked Malcolm 53 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.439 at a party one time, she said, you know, I'm 54 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.080 married to a Vanilla brother, and you come down so 55 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:11.439 hard on interracial marriage. Why you come down so hard, 56 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:15.199 Malcolm Maca. We say, with my sister, I believe that 57 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:19.879 at the I've changed my mind. I thought it through 58 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:24.920 of come back from Mecca, I say, mean, see that's 59 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.920 the Malcolm that we love. Because he loved us. So 60 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:32.759 Tabts was kind enough to play us Ozzie Davis's part 61 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:35.839 of the part of the eulogy. Yes, one of the 62 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:41.839 most profound eulogy is a black prince. He loved us 63 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.079 so that says it all. And we love him. We 64 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.560 shall never, ever, ever, ever forget him an a loud 65 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:55.000 part of his after life to be at work in 66 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:55.639 our life. 67 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.720 Yeah, we do. We love him so. And there was 68 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:03.480 a where you couldn't hardly you know, the mainstream world 69 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:08.480 wanted to separate us from Minister Malcolm X. I wanted 70 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:13.680 to vilify him, say that he was violent, which nothing 71 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.399 could be further for the truth. He was definitely for 72 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.319 self defense. You hit me, I'm hitching your back, but 73 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.959 he was not. He did not push for any violence. 74 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.560 They can't find one violent thing that he led, but 75 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.240 just these lives on top of lines and really had 76 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.439 black people at a point believe in it and pitting 77 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.839 Doctor King against Minister Malcolm X when they really complimented 78 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:37.319 each other, and we had to come to a maturity 79 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:40.160 about that. I remember being in some of my classes 80 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.879 and you know, having to pick a side, so to speaking, 81 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.720 and having people just say, Minister Malcolm X never did 82 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.759 anything for the cause because he wasn't directly involved in 83 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.639 the civil rights movement. Oh no, he did a whole 84 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:57.759 host of things for the cause outside of the formalized 85 00:05:58.079 --> 00:05:59.120 civil rights movement. 86 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:05.240 That's exactly right, exactly right. And in June nineteen sixty four, 87 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.759 of course, when my uncle said that note that Martin said, 88 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:10.360 would you be willing to go with me to the 89 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:15.959 United Nations bring the United States to international trial for 90 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.439 the box bights of black people? Martin said, yes, let 91 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:22.680 us go together. We got that on the FBI file. 92 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.240 They never could pull it off. That would have been something, 93 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.839 would have been more than just that one picture with 94 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:30.279 a smile and a handshake. 95 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:33.800 Oh, doctor, and they know it. The powers that be 96 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:35.959 knew it too, which is why they came after them 97 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.480 so hard, and ultimately the system took his life. You know, 98 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.879 they're definitely the federal government was involved. You certainly had 99 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.680 individuals involved. It was just a whole mess. They're listening 100 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.519 the truth time. But doctor Cornel West Andina Turner, we're 101 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.680 talking about if Minister Malcolm X had been alive, he 102 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.319 would have been one hundred years old. When we come forward, 103 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:58.600 we will continue talking about the one and only the 104 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:03.879 great Minnesota ex I know, brother Smiley did an interview 105 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:09.199 with one of Minister Malcolm X's daughter, always mispronounced her 106 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:11.480 first name, Dot kind of want to do that, but 107 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:21.439 we ambassador, miss yes, yes, yes, yes, And you know what, 108 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.959 as we analyze him, and we have before, he is 109 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:29.920 always worth analyzing and lifting up, contrary to what mainstream 110 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.360 society has said about him over the years, White society, 111 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:34.160 let's just put it that way. We're not talking about 112 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.879 individual white people, but white society and black people really 113 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:43.040 kind of caving in to this kind of misinformation. Now 114 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.720 we know what is really real. There have been several 115 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:51.040 really great documentaries since Minister Malcolm X was assassinated. One 116 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:56.240 is called Exonerated, and it's where the three men who 117 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.519 were ultimately charged with murdering Minister Malcolm X, the fame 118 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.199 in fact, at a point started not to believe that 119 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.800 it was them, and the facts came out that you know, 120 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.959 it was not them, and that this was a cover 121 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:13.439 up by the you know, by the local level and 122 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:19.480 also the federal levels of government. So many similarities between 123 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.600 what happened to Minister Malcolm X and also what happened 124 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:25.120 to doctor Martin Luther King Jr. And if we analyze 125 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:28.240 our freedom fighters, a lot of them. Fred Hampton the 126 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.680 same thing. You know, Hoover had a whole file. Hoover 127 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:33.720 once said that he wanted to stop the rise of 128 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.120 a black messiah, and he definitely saw that potential. And 129 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.480 people like Fred Hampton, people like Minister Malcolm X, people 130 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:44.799 like Reverend A Minister Malcolm X, people like Reverend dodtr 131 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.240 Martin Luther King Jr. And so there's this whole kind 132 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:51.440 of confluence of things that I think we have to 133 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:55.879 grapple with as black people, but White America needs to 134 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:59.559 grapple with its terrorism and crimes against humanity against Black 135 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.240 people that are really beyond chidle slavery. And Minister Malcolm 136 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:08.000 X expose the apocrisy of this nation time and time 137 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:08.879 and time again. 138 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:17.000 Absolutely both to hypocrisy but also the criminality of the nation. Yeah, 139 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:22.440 one thing, lie, it's another thing to use your lives 140 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:27.120 to hide and conceal your crimes, yes, sir, And the 141 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:32.840 lives and the crimes do go hand in hand. And 142 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.600 so you know, Malcolm always knew, of course, Martin always knew. 143 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:41.200 Of course. This is also true for Fanny Louhimer, It's 144 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.320 true for Lauren Hansbury, the FBI has massive files in 145 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.120 the sixties and seventies on each and every one of them. 146 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:55.440 Why because in a white supremacist civilization, those black folk 147 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:02.000 who love themselves enough to love black people convinced not 148 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:07.000 to hate themselves and accept white premises lives, we'll be 149 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:15.519 haunted down, We'll be failings, and under circumstances, will be killed. 150 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:19.759 We have to just be honest about that. We had 151 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:24.399 to tell the truth about America's weak will to truth 152 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:29.120 when it comes to the humanity of black people. And 153 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:33.840 what thing right now is a reversion back precisely to 154 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:38.480 those lies and to those crimes, not just here but 155 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:39.440 around the world. 156 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:43.120 Yeah, oh my god, and it is. It is shocking. 157 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:43.440 You know. 158 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:47.399 It's like being punched or slapped when you didn't expect it, 159 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.720 or being immersed in ice cold water. Just it's a 160 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:56.679 shock to the system. So, looking at Minister Malcolm X 161 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.679 through several lenses, one that I would like for us 162 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.000 to use one lens I would like for us to 163 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:06.799 use doc is what he had to say, so periodically 164 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:09.000 throughout the show, I'm a lift up what he had 165 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.879 to say. So one of my favorites, I'm for truth, 166 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.879 no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter 167 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.759 who it is for or against I am. I'm a 168 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.639 human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for 169 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.799 whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. Minister Malcolm 170 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.840 X said that it has a universal appeal and it 171 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.919 is timeless, which leads me to how he felt about 172 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:40.440 the Palestinian struggle. And he compared the Palestinian struggle and 173 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:44.720 betrayal to what happened to African Americans in this country. 174 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:48.600 He knew fuel well, it wasn't totally equal, but there 175 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:51.559 are some similarities or some connective tissue as you will, 176 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.600 to the struggle. And he said that, you know, he 177 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.519 sit up for justice and security for Palestini people. 178 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.240 He went to Gaza. We've got pictures of Malcolm in 179 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:10.279 Goza in nineteen sixty or what is that. That is 180 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:18.320 sixty one years ago. Gaza was then under occupation Gaza 181 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:25.480 and under domination. Gaza was then trying to gain resources, 182 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.279 trying to gain as to some possibility of living a 183 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:37.440 decent life under a thoroughly occupied and dominated condition. And 184 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.039 of course he knew that he was cutting so radically 185 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:45.600 against the grain. He knew not just American leadership, but 186 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:52.159 most of black leadership would be very hesitant to say 187 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:58.159 what he was saying because the risk was so high 188 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.399 and the cost was so deep in terms of someone 189 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.159 like himself. And of course, you know, Stokely Carmarker was 190 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:12.399 there and Cleveland Sellers was there. Brother Bacari's father was there, 191 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:17.360 stokely raising that issue in sixty six and sixty seven 192 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.720 coming out of Snicks. It's something that it took a 193 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.080 long time for the world to see through the lies 194 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.080 and stay in contact with the crimes. And we see 195 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.080 the genocide right now. 196 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.279 Yeah, we do. And SNICK for those who might be wondering, 197 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:43.039 stoot non violent Coordinate Coordinating Committee. That's what SNICK stands for. Yeah, 198 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.559 I mean, it's just really wild that people, you know, 199 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:49.320 I was, I'm doing practice run for I was, I 200 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:52.279 was talking about I got you know, I was in 201 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.279 this conversation with some folks that were saying that, you know, 202 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.879 Donald J. Trump, President Trump is over there and he's 203 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.480 over in the Middle East, and he's saying, hey, if 204 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:01.799 we can do a deal, we can do a deal. 205 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:04.440 We don't always have to believe in each other's the 206 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:08.360 way we run government. I'm paraphrasing them and how we 207 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.720 want to see other people's people free. And he's like 208 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:13.559 standing up in the Middle East. And I said in 209 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:17.039 this conversation, well, that may be well true, but he's 210 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:20.120 standing up in the Middle East for everybody but one 211 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:26.679 particular group. So I don't give him any extra credit 212 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.480 for doing that if he's still gonna leave out what 213 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.519 is happening to the Palestinians. Yeah, I'm glad. You know, 214 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.639 my grandmother would always say a broke clock is right 215 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:38.000 twice a day. So I don't bemoan the fact that 216 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:43.000 he's using rhetoric that may display a willingness to kind 217 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.600 of work with people who ordinarily this country would not 218 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:49.960 work within the Middle East. I'm not mad about that, Doc. However, 219 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.559 you gotta say the same thing about the Palestinians as 220 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:59.879 well and their right to self determination. That was only one, Doc, 221 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.600 I was the only one that you know in this 222 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.879 conversation that took that position. It was just absolutely mind 223 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:05.480 blowing to me. 224 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:09.639 M I mean, part of the problem is is that 225 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.399 you end up with a gangster like Trump, the neo 226 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:16.240 fashions from the United States. He goes and meets other 227 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.759 authoritarian leaders who are suppressing their masters who are who 228 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.480 are punishing it, uh and and and incarcerating most of 229 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.200 their critical voices of dissenting voices. And they want to 230 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:33.039 look like somehow they got this magnificent diplomatic process going 231 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.240 that has moral substance, that may have political force because 232 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.120 they're very rich, because they're very powerful. But we know 233 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:45.440 Trump himself carries no moral force. But they don't either. 234 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.399 They haven't been in solidarity with the Palestinians before Trump. 235 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.200 They haven't been in solidated with Palestinians before Biden. Right, 236 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:59.080 that the leaders of these nations have not been in 237 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:04.120 solidarity with Palestinians. The masses of those Arab countries have, 238 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.720 But those masses, their voices don't shape the policy of 239 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:16.240 the nation. These are unaccountable monarchs and unaccountable elites and 240 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:21.919 so forth. And so then Trump shows up. Okay, he's 241 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:27.279 elected by the deeply corrupt political system that he said 242 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:31.759 with rigg, but was only rigg when he lost, wasn't one, 243 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.039 you know, we know how that is. That's just gangs activity, gangs, 244 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.639 the perception, right, Oh no, when when he wins, the 245 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:45.120 system is the most legitimate process imaginable. Okay, Uh, stay 246 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.960 on that crack fight if you want to. It's corrupt 247 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:55.679 across the board because board he doesn't. He doesn't want 248 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:59.559 to fight it anyway for any of the working and 249 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.000 poor people said be there in God's up, be there 250 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:03.559 in any other places as well. 251 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.200 It is crystal clear we did not know. We should 252 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.720 now know. There you're listening to Truth Time got to 253 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.240 Cordas and Nina Turner. Today we're talking about if Minister 254 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.119 Malcolm X were alive, if you're just tuning in, he 255 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.000 would have been one hundred years old. Tak, I want 256 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:23.079 to pull a quote from doctor Betty Shabaz. She said, 257 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.920 I wish you power that equals your intelligence and your strength. 258 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:32.559 I wish you success that equals your talent and determination, 259 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:38.720 and I wish you faith. So the ex children or 260 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:42.039 the Sebas children are definitely lift up their mother at 261 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:43.720 the same time that they lift up their father, in 262 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.519 the same way that the King family does the same thing. 263 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.160 We talk about Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. You 264 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:54.759 cannot leave out Coreta Scott King and doctor Betty Shabaz 265 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.960 quite a force. With Minister Malcolm X had to endure 266 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.200 the hardships, the bombings, the attacks all of that. You know, 267 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.400 both families have so much trauma in common, and at 268 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:13.559 the same time they have the beauty of those two 269 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.599 men being their relatives. I mean, they got that kind 270 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:22.039 of courage coursing through their veins. But to think about 271 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:27.160 Minister Malcolm X, his only crime was that he loved 272 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.000 black people and that he was willing to stand up 273 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.039 for black people in public. 274 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.400 Oh that's true. And tell the truth, not just to 275 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.720 the powers that be. Yeah, tell the truth to us, 276 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.839 yell the truth to black people themselves. And always willing 277 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:51.079 to grow. Yes, never static. But you're so right about 278 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.319 the great Betty Shabbez, doctor Betty Shabbas that her family 279 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.960 was already a major force for good. As a little girl, 280 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:06.720 Girlyn Detroit head Black organizations, she goes down the Tuskegee 281 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.640 Institute and studying with a Missrs Harvey, who is the 282 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.039 mother of my dear brother Peter Harvey, who was the 283 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.759 first black Attorney General of New Jersey. He went to 284 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:22.920 Morgan undergrad in Columbia University Law School, but it was 285 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:27.079 his mother who was a mentor to Betty when she 286 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.319 was there. At Tuskegee is a building named after that 287 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:35.039 sister Harvey actually on Tuskegee's campus, so that when Betty 288 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:40.759 and Malcolm meet, you got two major forces meeting given 289 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:45.599 their own backgrounds. Now it's true, it's mediated by the 290 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.799 Honorbilijah Muhammad. There's no doubt about that, because the Honorbiliojah 291 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:55.400 Muhammad was a kind of father to Malcolm during those years, 292 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:59.960 because he loved Malcolm enough to convince him to transform 293 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:05.559 his prison cell into a library, to get Malcolm to 294 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:10.480 love himself and respect himself enough to become the Malcolm 295 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.160 that we know as opposed to that little gangster Malcolm little. 296 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:14.599 That he was. 297 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:20.559 Yeah, you know, but that transformation was real, the conversion 298 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:23.960 was real. And now yet another conversion later on where 299 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.319 he broke from the Honorable Lodge of Muhammad. But we 300 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.240 cannot overlook the crucial role of the Honorable Lodge of 301 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.759 Muhammad and life of Malcolm X. There's no there's no 302 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:34.519 doubt about that. 303 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.839 We cannot heuse. He was a force. And as most 304 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.200 human beings are, there contradictions, and Honorbilage of Muhammad was 305 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.400 a walking contradiction, as you are, as I am, as others. 306 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:49.599 Sometimes those contradictions are more glaring, but we are all 307 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:54.279 walking contradictions for Minister Malcolm X. You can't separate peace 308 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:59.880 from freedom. You can't separate it because without without peace, 309 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:05.839 you can't have any freedom. I mean this profound, just 310 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.799 absolutely profound. When we come forward, Dr West and I 311 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:13.240 will continue our conversation about Minister Malcolm X, who had 312 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.799 he been alive today, would have been one hundred years old. 313 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.839 This is what we do about this time. Thank you, 314 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.279 Doctor West, have muted myself. We go into our live 315 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:24.119 chat on the tube to see what you have to say. 316 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:25.960 And we appreciate each and every one of you who 317 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:31.440 navigate this space on a weekly, on a daily basis, 318 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.319 not only talking to doctor West and myself, but also 319 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.799 having conversations among yourselves. Such a great, great community. So Doc, 320 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:43.960 we have Brother Morris Phillips. Hello, Brother Phillips, Happy Mark, 321 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.759 Happy Malcolm X's day. The struggle continues, so true, it 322 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:53.039 never stops. And also Brother Phillips, Happy Monday, Doctor West 323 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:57.119 and Senator Turner, we got Ben Frank, Ben Frank, peace 324 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:02.759 and infinite blessings. See that, Darryl Evans, Hi, Doctor Weston, 325 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:07.880 Senator Nina, Happy Malcolm X Day. And our fight still 326 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:14.880 continues with so much to be done, mercy. Mm hmm, mercy, Yeah, 327 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:18.920 Lessen Peacemaker, I really loved that. 328 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:19.920 That. 329 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.839 What changed Malcolm X's mind was his travels to Mecca 330 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:28.279 and encounter encountering real kinship with brothers and sisters of 331 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.319 his faith. I wonder if he had lived, would he 332 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:38.920 had found uh, ecumenicalism, Doc, I don't know if he 333 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:40.400 would have found that or not. 334 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.599 Oh, I'm sure, oh absolutely. Look at his love for 335 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:50.400 Fanny lou Hamer. Fanny lou Hammer is a Jesus free 336 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.759 black woman and the same it's an oullah lovely free 337 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:57.720 black man. That is ecumenical. 338 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:04.480 Mm hmm. Okay, there we have it. And oh go ahead, doctor, 339 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.200 don't know just at the deepest level, you know, at 340 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:12.960 the deepest levels. Okay, we also have from the question 341 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:21.119 was asked if Malcolm never left Africa, like, where would 342 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:28.519 the world be if Minister Malcolm never left Africa when 343 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.319 he went there, if he never came back here? 344 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.920 Does she mean that if he had gone to Africa 345 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.720 to stay and live or if he never left? 346 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.960 Yeah? I need some more, Yeah, we need some more 347 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:44.240 on that. 348 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:49.480 But where on that though? But no, you had to 349 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.960 come back and see doctor Benishabath and the girls now. 350 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.519 Brought them. I mean, as we know, a lot of 351 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:05.119 our I mean, just like doctor Duvoce and others who 352 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:08.240 got so fed up that they left. You know, maybe 353 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.119 that's it, brother Miles, if you got some more clarity 354 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.200 on that, let us know that's coming from our brother 355 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:19.359 Miles side, a whole bunch of you know, Happy birthday 356 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.720 to minister Malcolm. Happy one hundredth heavenly birthday to him, 357 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:27.599 which he deserves each and every one of one of 358 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:31.359 those things. So Doc, we know that minister Malcolm was 359 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.400 brave enough to say that that charger that the that 360 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:38.200 the United States of America should go before the UIN 361 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:48.400 for crimes against African American community. What I mean if he, 362 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.240 if he were alive today, I think he would greatly 363 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.920 be disappointed and probably feel the same way that the 364 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:58.039 United States should still have to answer before a world 365 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.920 court so to speak, about its crimes not only in 366 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.160 the past against African Americans, but also about its current 367 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:06.079 current crimes. 368 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:12.279 Oh absolutely, I think the motivation behind Malcolm's courageous effort 369 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:18.880 to bring the United States to Nations was predicated on 370 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:24.880 the notion that America did not have the capacity to 371 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:29.599 treat the masses of black people with dignity and decency. 372 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.680 It had the capacity to create a black middle class 373 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:39.519 that could be assimilated if they were silenced enough to 374 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:44.039 simply fit in. But in terms of the masses of 375 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:49.319 black people, Malcolm believed that that was a structural limitation 376 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:56.720 of American civilization, that the government, that the system could 377 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:04.160 not change itself to affirm the humanity and the dignity 378 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.359 of the masses of black people, black poor, black working class. 379 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.319 So it says, America, you can't solve this issue by yourself. 380 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:17.720 You need to go to it international agency to help 381 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:24.160 them solve it for you. Now see, that's a serious move, 382 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:26.160 because that's the reason why people go to the United Nations. 383 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.160 When then at war, a war's going on, they go 384 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.440 to the United Nations and try to get it negotiated. 385 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.720 They can bring it to a close. You see. And 386 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.000 Marco was saying, well, they've been at war black people 387 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:43.720 all these years. Is clear that you haven't been successful 388 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:48.640 in treating black people decently. You've made some crucial breakthroughs, 389 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.960 no doubt about that, civil wars, civil Rights Acts, amendments. 390 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.200 Then here come another hundred years in the old slavery. 391 00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:58.519 Then we got to go through the same thing in 392 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:03.319 the sixties, crucial breakthroughs, no doubt about it. Then the 393 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.039 backlash is set in. You could see Malcolm sixty some 394 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:12.400 years later saying, America, I done told you that. It's 395 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:16.440 clear from my point of view, you don't have what 396 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.319 it takes to treat these black people the way in 397 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:24.119 which they really really deserve. And those are the ones 398 00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:28.079 I love. So I'm taking you to the International Agency 399 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.759 and Mark what's willing to go with him? That's what's crucial. 400 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.160 Yeah, very very crucial, man, I just what could have been. 401 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:43.200