WEBVTT 1 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:21.120 Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha. 2 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.199 Fay, and I'm dere Bowen, and today we're. 3 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:28.600 Going to talk about something kind of scary, a little creepy, 4 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.719 and I think it's just something we all need to 5 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:36.759 consider when we're entering into intuitive development. So we're going 6 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.560 to be talking about the possibility that earth bound spirits 7 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:44.399 could be using channelers and mediums to feed off their 8 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:49.000 energy and maintain a connection to Earth. I just finished 9 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.799 a book, Deb, I've been talking to you about it. 10 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:55.240 I know a lot called The Siren Call of Hungry 11 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:59.840 Ghost by Joe Fisher, and this is exactly what that 12 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.759 book is about. But before we dive in, do you 13 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:05.719 want to tell people what a hungry ghost is? 14 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.040 Yes? I will do that, but can I just do 15 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:13.359 the usual? Deb doesn't like this stuff, navy off it, 16 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:18.560 but I think it's important. I mean, I do joking aside, 17 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:20.319 So let me tell you what a hungry ghost is. 18 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:26.959 A hungry ghost is a supernatural being characterized by an insatiable, 19 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:33.319 endless craving and a tormented existence. Yikes. They are said 20 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.799 to have huge, bloated bellies and tiny, needle thin necks, 21 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.159 meaning that they can never swallow enough to satisfy their 22 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:46.480 intense hunger and thirst. According to Buddhist tradition, this one 23 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.840 realm of the other side where hungry ghosts go. It's 24 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:54.400 a little like a level above hell, but not much. 25 00:01:55.239 --> 00:02:00.159 This is where greedy, cruel, truly negative people go, and 26 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.680 their hunger represents their spiritual hunger. They have to stay 27 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:09.759 in this level until they burned off their karma. 28 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:11.400 Think about that. 29 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:13.199 Yeah, I have to tell you that I don't know 30 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.319 a great deal about Buddhism. I really can't begin to 31 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.159 say I know a lot. But I have never heard 32 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.000 that concept in the Buddhist tradition before. This is brand 33 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:23.960 new information to me. 34 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.319 Oh really, it's pretty common, I promise you. But I 35 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.280 think the idea is, like I said at the beginning, 36 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:33.199 kind of creepy. 37 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.639 It's very creepy. And half of them have a physical description. Yeah, 38 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:39.960 kind of weird. 39 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.319 Kind of weird. But when Joe Fisher started on this journey, 40 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:47.159 hungry ghosts were the last thing on his mind. He 41 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.520 was just looking for a great story. Joe was an 42 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.800 award winning journalist. In fact, he was the youngest journalist 43 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:57.199 ever in his city. He was an investigative writer with 44 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.520 a passion for metaphysical mysteries, and read loved him. His 45 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.520 books sold over a million copies in twenty two languages. 46 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.039 He was born and educated in England, moved to Canada 47 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.280 in nineteen seventy one and had dual citizenship. After he 48 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.080 moved to Canada, he was a reporter for the Toronto 49 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:19.759 Sun and the Toronto Star, and he broke up his 50 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.400 newsroom life with a lot of long trips. He went 51 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:28.080 to Greece, Ireland, Ecuador, Morocco, Peru, everywhere. In nineteen eighty one, 52 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.960 Fischer stepped away from daily journalism to focus on books 53 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:38.159 and freelance writing. He traveled constantly. He went everywhere Australia Antarctica, 54 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:42.280 and his bylines appeared everywhere, from the National Post and 55 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:45.520 the Globe and Mail to Outpost Equinox, and on and on. 56 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:48.800 His books, including As I Said, The Siren Call of 57 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:52.400 Hungry Ghost, but also Life Between Life and the Case 58 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:58.759 for Reincarnation and Predictions, became staples of contemporary metaphysical literature. 59 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.319 The Case for Reincarnation even featured a preface written by 60 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.080 the Dali Lama. So he was clearly successful and was 61 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:11.919 also known as quite the ladies man. He was good looking, smart, romantic, 62 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.719 and looking for his soulmate. This will be important later, 63 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.040 But he wasn't a player. His sister said in an 64 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:24.000 interview that he maintained his friendships with all his past girlfriends. Okay, 65 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.560 so now it's nineteen eighty four. Joe's book on reincarnation 66 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:29.959 had just come out and was a big hit, and 67 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.399 this is when he gets a letter from a woman 68 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:37.079 named Aviva Newman. She said she had invertently become a 69 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:43.079 mouthpiece for discarnate energies who presented as spirit guides. Aviva 70 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.959 wrote in the letter that the spirits often talked about reincarnation, 71 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:51.319 and these guides were living in a state between lives. 72 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.519 Joe said, the tone of Aviva's letter assured me that 73 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.519 she wasn't a new age groupie with metaphysical stars in 74 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:03.040 her eyes, believing nothing beyond the physical sciences. She worked 75 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.639 as a laboratory technician and had always scoffed at psychic phenomenon. Indeed, 76 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:12.079 she felt vaguely troubled about being a channel for other beings. 77 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.120 She was writing to me, she said, because she was 78 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:19.800 looking for a rational explanation for this irrational turn of events. 79 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.839 I'm a normal person with normal interest, she declared, and 80 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.319 I don't want to be regarded as a candidate for 81 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:31.160 a psychiatric ward. Aviva concluded her letter with a formal invitation. 82 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.759 So of course Joe's intrigued and decides to meet her. 83 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.759 So, of course, jose in trigue. She has an interesting 84 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.959 story of Eva does. She was diagnosed with leukemia and 85 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.079 was obviously dealing with a lot of pain. She had 86 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.319 a neighbor and a friend named Roger Bellancourt, who was 87 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.879 also a hypnosis He had offered to hypnotize Viva in 88 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:01.000 order to administer corrective medical suggestions to her subconscious mind. 89 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.399 Aviva was an atheist. She didn't believe in anything, but 90 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.560 decided that it couldn't hurt so together and with the 91 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:13.519 help of her doctor, they wrote nine carefully worded commands 92 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.560 that Roger would repeat while she was in a trance. 93 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:21.680 Apparently it worked. She was getting better, and then after 94 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:26.639 a few months something happened. Aviva started speaking in a 95 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:31.199 man's voice with an English accent, and soon more spirits 96 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.160 were coming through. Eventually, people started to gather at her 97 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.920 home on Friday nights to meet their spirit guides. 98 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.279 So that's her story, and that's how she says she 99 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:49.160 kind of stumbled into becoming a channeler. When Joe went 100 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.199 over and met her, he writes that Aviva told him, 101 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:55.040 I've never believed in the so called psychic world. I've 102 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.639 never had a psychic reading that's come true. I think 103 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.959 astrology's absolute crap, and I've got no time for anything 104 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:04.240 that's supposed to be paranormal. Look at my library and 105 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.279 Joe turns around to the bookcase and sees its crammed 106 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.879 with volumes on the works of Karl Marx and Lenin. 107 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.079 She says, I think that shows you where I stand, 108 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:17.800 and it's not some airy, fairy world between incarnations. So 109 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.920 Joe's intrigued and he starts to attend these weekly sessions. 110 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.199 He's really impressed by the voices and personalities coming through 111 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:30.120 and how the information is validated by everyone present. Through 112 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.240 Aviva spoke her guide, a man named Russell who claimed 113 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.240 to be a sheep farmer from nineteenth century Yorkshire, England. 114 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:41.240 Through Aviva, these guides said there were two types of humans, 115 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.759 souls and entities, and I thought this was so weird. 116 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.920 So all of the guides speaking through Aviva said that 117 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:55.360 we as humans are divided into souls and entities. Souls 118 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:58.879 are said to be created from desire, while entities were 119 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:01.959 born of knowledge. There's a big difference here, and it 120 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:05.720 was clearly better to be an entity rather than a soul. 121 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:08.720 That's new information, that's new. 122 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.480 And it instantly this came up in like I don't know, 123 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.240 chapter three, and I instantly had alarm bells going off 124 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:22.800 because any alleged enlightened being who's already dividing groups that 125 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:24.839 should be a big red flag, don't you think? 126 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.120 Absolutely? I do. Yeah. 127 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.879 So of course Joe asks the Guides if he's a 128 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.720 soul or an entity, and what a surprise. The Guides 129 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.559 tell him, You're an entity. You have reasonable power as 130 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.360 an entity. You have in part begun some forward development, 131 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.799 although not on a conscious level. Most of your forward 132 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.240 development has been on what you would call the subconscious level. 133 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.320 You have never been a soul. You were always an 134 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:54.679 entity created from knowledge, from the pool of knowledge, which 135 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.480 has been spoken of many times in many sessions. 136 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:59.840 Now this is the Guide talking to Joe. 137 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.480 Yeah, okay, isn't that weird? 138 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.399 Yeah it is weird. 139 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.000 I mean, I would think it'd be better to be 140 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:07.559 a soul. 141 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.559 I think there shouldn't be this division. 142 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:16.360 And that too. Yeah. On top of this, the guides 143 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.080 didn't like being called guides or spirits. They would get 144 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.519 upset when someone in the group referred to them that way. Instead, 145 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:27.240 they wanted to be seen as just regular people, temporarily 146 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:33.399 without a body. And then Joe meets his guide. So basically, 147 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.120 I hope I'm explaining this well. People will go to 148 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.480 Aviva's house, her neighbor hypnotist friend would put her in 149 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.600 a trance, and then different guides who were connected to 150 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:47.440 the people who showed up would speak through her. So 151 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.200 Joe's at one of these sessions and he meets his guide, 152 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.399 and what do you know, she's a beautiful young Greek 153 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:57.039 woman who claims to be his soulmate. She says her 154 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:59.480 name is Philippa and that she and Joel have spent 155 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:04.200 many lifetimes together, always trying to be together, but some tragedy, 156 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:08.919 you know, like war or disputing families, always kept them apart. 157 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.080 It's like a Hallmark movie. I mean, that was my 158 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:14.279 red flag number two. 159 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:20.240 Yes, that is a big red flag. And you know, 160 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:25.559 this reminds me of the whole trance medium phenomenon. That 161 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:29.159 happened at the turn of the nineteen hundreds, that you know, 162 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:31.519 I'm waiting for the actoplasm to come out of closem. 163 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:37.159 Yeah, I should have said this more specifically. This book 164 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.679 was written in nineteen ninety and so this is all 165 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.679 around that time when channeling and the Seth books and 166 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:48.320 all of that was just starting and really hitting its peak. 167 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.000 So he was doing this research from eighty three to 168 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.399 eighty seven and then there was a lot Yeah, yeah, 169 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.559 so I think it's important to ground it in that time. 170 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:00.639 Yeah. 171 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:05.919 Through Aviva, Philippa tells Joe all sorts of stuff about himself, 172 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.240 and it's all true and accurate, and it's not stuff 173 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.759 like you were boarded this hospital at this time. It's 174 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:17.039 soul stuff. It's personal, deep emotions that he's been feeling 175 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.000 his whole life, and so he feels like he's being 176 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.840 seen and understood for the first time. He writes how 177 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:27.759 suddenly his girlfriend feels like a stranger to him. So 178 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.639 back he goes to Aviva week after week to hear 179 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:34.879 from his Philippa. Philippa tells him she wants more contact 180 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.840 with him too. She says, to Joe, your knowledge and 181 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.960 your self discipline and your style of thought processes make 182 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.559 you a good candidate for communication on a direct level, 183 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:51.519 then you can receive direction from me. Joe was all 184 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.559 in and asked her how he could do this. Philip 185 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.919 tells me to spend a good part of each morning 186 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.919 thinking about her. She insists that he repeats this every morning, 187 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.919 at the same time each day. This way, she explained, 188 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.200 she could link in with his energy and establish thought 189 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.759 patterns upon him. He did as she said, but it 190 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.279 was almost a year before he could sense her. Sometimes 191 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.240 he'd see flashes of their life together in Greece, and 192 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.279 he always heard a buzzing in his ears when she 193 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:26.360 was around him. So again, I thought that was interesting 194 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.799 because a lot of writers, for example, will say, you've 195 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.360 got to meet the muse at the same time every day. 196 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.320 I mean, Ray Bradberry wrote a whole essay on that, 197 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:40.039 And so there is something to this consistency of showing up. 198 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:44.120 It's just the way she tells him. It just I 199 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.879 don't know, it kind of reeks of what's that stage 200 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:49.639 before possession obsession? 201 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:50.879 You know. 202 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.360 What, I don't know this is true, but doesn't that 203 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:58.720 sound kind of weird to you? Like I'd like to 204 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:00.000 communicate with you more direct. 205 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.159 This is beginning to feel really bizarre. I mean it 206 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.399 was bizarre to begin with that this disembodied entity, so 207 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.080 whatever she is, knows all the steep stuff about him, 208 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.840 or at least appears to. And now she wants more contact. 209 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:18.399 Woo boo. Yeah. 210 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.919 And then things start getting even worse with his girlfriend, Rachel. 211 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.679 He writes, I learned to mention Philippa as little as 212 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:30.519 possible in her presence. Perhaps she questioned my loyalty, sensing 213 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:35.279 my intraction to this unearthly lover of old. Anyway, Rachel 214 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.600 no more than tolerated my striving for communion with the 215 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:42.919 next world, and over a period of several months, her 216 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:47.720 pain forbearance turned imperceptibly into withdrawal. Not that I deserved 217 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:51.799 any better. The guide's gripping expositions of life beyond the 218 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:56.440 body left me increasingly preoccupied with the non material universe 219 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.039 and less and less willing to be able to respond 220 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:03.240 to Rachel on a basic human level. He continues, There 221 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.320 seemed little I could do to prevent our feelings for 222 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:12.039 one another from drifting into cold storage. Philippa's remarkable understanding 223 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:17.720 and empathy cushioned my progressive alienation from Rachel, my friends, 224 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.279 and the world around me. In any case, I told 225 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.759 myself personal happiness in the current existence was a small 226 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.720 sacrifice to make for one's immortal welfare. Besides, I was 227 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.879 as happy as I could reasonably expect to be. If 228 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.039 life was sometimes distressing, it was because Rachel and I 229 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.879 were always arguing. So they break up, and Joe doesn't 230 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.720 seem to care. He says, Philippa was my quest and 231 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.639 getting to know my guide. I was honing my immortal 232 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.399 destiny while preparing for the time when we could be 233 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:55.320 together once more in the between life state. So again, 234 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:00.840 this to me does seem like alienation obsession, like those 235 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.879 stages before someone completely takes over your will. 236 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.320 When you just said what you said, my next thought 237 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.399 was a police, don't tell me. He's going to kill 238 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:12.840 himself so he can go be in the afterlife. But 239 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:13.559 this will be. 240 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.600 We haven't gotten to the rest of his story, dub, 241 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:19.759 so let's not okay. 242 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:25.159 Do that? Okay, okay. 243 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.039 So by this time, more and more people are showing 244 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.360 up to Aviva's to witness her channeling her guide. Russell 245 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.080 would point out which of the new attendees were entities 246 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:37.320 and which were souls, and if you were lucky enough 247 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:40.320 to be an entity, Russell would tell you who your 248 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:43.639 own spirit guide was. If you were a soul, well 249 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.919 then he couldn't help you. So as you can imagine, 250 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.399 the people who were souls, they would just leave because 251 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.960 why say, if they can't get any information. And so 252 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.919 I'm wondering if these quote unquote guides are a hungry 253 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.200 ghost or whatever. They were were seeing that some of 254 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:08.000 the people were inclined to be skeptical or at least discerning, 255 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.159 and they quickly were like, oh, you're a soul, We 256 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:13.279 can't communicate with you, only entities. 257 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.600 Oh you been absolutely. 258 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:20.840 After being told about their guides and maybe receiving a 259 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.679 message or two, the guides would then talk about life 260 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:27.639 on the other side, They said, each guide oversaw a dozen, 261 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:31.840 sometimes even one hundred, living humans. All were connected through 262 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.759 shared karmic history from past lives, so those of us 263 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:40.279 here now could eventually become guides ourselves after death if 264 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:44.320 we wanted, and the guides could also reincarnate. They worked 265 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.879 alongside apprentices who were also tied to the living person 266 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.679 through earlier lifetimes, forming a kind of spiritual team moving 267 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:55.600 together through the long journey of rebirth. The Guide said 268 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.759 they couldn't tell them a lot about God. It was 269 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:01.159 just too big for us to understand. But they did 270 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:06.079 take some time to dis Jesus Christ, and I think 271 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:10.000 that's not good and also a red flag. Joe says. 272 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.440 We were chatting about great religious leaders and their ability 273 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:17.559 to influence the masses, when Russell, remember that's the Guide 274 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:21.279 speaking through Aviva, said, the one you call Jesus Christ 275 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.119 has of course been back to the earth bound many 276 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:29.079 many times, has he? I asked incredulously, Oh, heavens yes, 277 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.440 Even after living the life of Jesus Christ, one still 278 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.119 needs to return to the earth bound plane. He was 279 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.319 just a man, but he accomplished so much in terms 280 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.559 of knowledge, and he managed to get people to follow him. 281 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.519 All he did was speak the truth. He never faltered 282 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.119 in his own religion, he never faltered in his own morals. 283 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.039 He simply acted as any teacher acts, and engendered no 284 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.359 more karma than any other teacher. But wouldn't you say 285 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:58.200 he was a particularly evolved human being, I persisted, No, 286 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.240 Russell declared, no more than the of you. It was 287 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:03.480 just that he spoke out and people needed something to 288 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.960 hang on to. For they were in desperate times. So 289 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.359 don't you find that interesting? Like, oh, we can't tell 290 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.640 you anything about God, but Jesus was just a man 291 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.480 and didn't do anything that special except you know, speak 292 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:14.960 the truth. 293 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:17.599 Well, one of the things I was waiting for you 294 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:21.039 to say, because this is a theory, is that this 295 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.200 being of light that has been a teacher for an 296 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:27.640 avatar and I use that word in the true definition 297 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.960 of the word to so many cultures, Jesus, food, and 298 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:35.640 Mohammad Bahayolah Krishna. I mean, all those different folks have 299 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.640 a it's all the same thing, it's all the same 300 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.400 energy force. But that's clearly not where he was going 301 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:42.759 with this. 302 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.519 No, no, and he asks him about some of those other 303 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.359 teachers and again he's like, oh, yeah, they're just people. 304 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:52.799 Oh boy, yeah, okay. 305 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.960 Now, meanwhile, he's getting closer and closer to Philippa. He says, 306 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.200 each morning, we were having more and more fun. As 307 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.880 I dedicated myself to making contact and stepping up my 308 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.240 meditative exercises, I had taken to visualizing myself hugging Philippa, 309 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.440 a development that drew a number of appreciative comments. She 310 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:14.680 seemed to crave the developing closeness as much as I did. 311 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:17.920 I think sometimes I get more selfish as we get 312 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.440 more because I want more, Philippa confessed one Friday night. 313 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.000 Do you mean that you want me to spend longer 314 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:26.640 with you in the morning, I asked? Or do you 315 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.119 want me to contact you on more occasions? I think 316 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.400 I just want more hugs. If Philippa could have assumed 317 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:36.400 a physical body, I'm sure I would have married her. 318 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:41.480 So see how he's really falling for this like invisible being. 319 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:45.559 This isn't going to sound right, but it's all in 320 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:47.160 this fan well. 321 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.960 I don't know what he came to believe. He never 322 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.519 doubted Aviva or the other mediums he visits, which I'll 323 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:57.359 talk about in a minute. He never doubts them or 324 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:01.720 their veracity or their ethics, and all the information coming 325 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:08.440 through these mediums that he visits, most of it is true. 326 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.920 He just thinks they're tricksters. So I think something was happening, 327 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:16.160 and I think something was communicating to him, but it 328 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:18.279 was not a beautiful Greek woman named Philippa. 329 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:21.640 I get that I'm putting ahead of the story here, 330 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.240 but what I'm saying is that his connection with her 331 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.240 was in his meditation in his mind. 332 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:32.319 Yes, exactly, or when he would go see Aviva and 333 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:36.759 she would talk through her, and she would speak through Aviva. 334 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.079 When Aviva did this channeling, I mean her vocal cords 335 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:43.279 would change, her voices would change, her accents would change. 336 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.960 And Joe recorded all of this. So everything in the book, 337 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:52.200 all these quotes I'm sharing, these are all transcribed because 338 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:57.079 he's a meticulous investigative reporter. And he actually took recordings 339 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:01.559 of Philippa speaking through a Viva in her Greek accent, 340 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:06.119 in singing Greek paragraphs, and he took it to a linguist, 341 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:10.559 a professor, who said, that is a unique dialect from 342 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:14.160 this portion of Greece, which is near where Philip has 343 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:17.279 said she was from. So he writes in Learning to 344 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:21.279 Accept My Transparency, I anticipated our chats with the potent 345 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:25.440 mix of longing and apprehension, waiting for Philippa to speak 346 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.839 through Aviva's lips. I felt nervously vulnerable, and why wouldn't I. 347 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.240 She was able to discern my every thought, indeed, an 348 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.160 attribute which made her love even more remarkable. Just as 349 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.480 she knew me, I felt intuitively that I knew her too. 350 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:43.720 But such intimacy brought in its wake a certain terror 351 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:48.960 that sometimes curdled my elation. True privacy had been surrendered 352 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:53.319 to Philippa's loving attachment, and though I was grateful for administrations, 353 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.759 my life was no longer my own. At the time, 354 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:59.079 I would have denied that the Guides were exerting great 355 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:03.400 influence over me, me, my attitudes, and my behavior. Yet 356 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.359 every time I contemplated a major decision in my life, 357 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.680 I sought Philippa's approval. So he really, at this point 358 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.119 is feeling like she's living in his mind, and that's 359 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:18.960 got to be a weird, unsettling feeling. But now his 360 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:23.160 girlfriend is gone. So Joe really dives into this world 361 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.559 and he decides to write a book about Guides. But first, 362 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:29.279 you know, as an investigative reporter, he says, he has 363 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:32.880 to gather evidence of these people's lives. Joe says, if 364 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.400 I could recover those traces and records, deeds registers, I 365 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.519 would have incontrovertible evidence that the mysterious voices had indeed 366 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:46.880 once inhabited human bodies. Most exhilarating of all this evidence 367 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.279 would confirm the knowledge of our hearts, the knowledge that 368 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.359 love and concern rain down on us routinely from the 369 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.839 next dimension. He's thinking. All the guides have given very 370 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:01.480 specific information about their most recent past live from their 371 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.720 first and last name, to their place of birth, their career, 372 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:09.119 military ring, even their home addresses. So Jill thinks this 373 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.640 will be easy. And here is where the wheels start 374 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:15.880 to fall off the cart. So before we talk about 375 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.960 his investigation journey over to England, let's take our first break. 376 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:20.880 We'll be right back. 377 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.920 Hey, y'all, many of you who missed the Fool's Calling 378 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:30.519 Course when I offered it last year have asked me 379 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.720 to teach it again, and so I am. The thirty 380 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.480 eight lessons of this course are sent to you via 381 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.680 email with Mailchimp, so you can learn at your own 382 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:46.839 pace over a fifteen week period. Now here's the important part. 383 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:53.039 Registration opens Thursday, August thirteenth at eight a m. Eastern 384 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:59.640 and closes Friday, September fourth at six pm Eastern. There 385 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:03.000 is no rowing admission for this offering of this course. 386 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.880 Registration closing date is firm, but there's a lot of 387 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:12.000 details about what you'll learn and about the registration process 388 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:16.920 on my website Debowen dot com. I so hope you'll 389 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:23.720 join me. Take care everybody, Okay, welcome back. 390 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:27.440 So Joe goes to England because this one guide Ernest 391 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.559 had said he fought in World War two, and Joe 392 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:34.160 figures that'll be easy to track down, so check out 393 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:38.680 some of the facts Ernest gave him. He said in 394 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:42.200 his past life his name was Sir William Alfred Scott 395 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:46.279 of the ninety nine Squadron, Group three bomber Command. He 396 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.920 said he was five feet eleven inches tall, with dark 397 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.240 hair and brown eyes. He was born in Brighton, raised 398 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.319 in Bristol. He gave the names of streets and schools 399 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:58.960 he attended, and the three years for three years, He 400 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:02.160 said he had attended Bristol University, where he studied math 401 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:06.480