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Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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a UFO hanging in We don't want to report every

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thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,

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we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do

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you wish to find a report of any kind of it?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

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Speaker 1: Time areas thirty one me neither there.

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Speaker 3: See if it was actually uh above us to pass us,

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like thirty seconds ago, we.

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Speaker 1: Were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but it's from at

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least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed

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right over.

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Speaker 2: The top of US.

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Speaker 1: Ninety one one. You just called both to me before

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they're after staying the airplanes.

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Speaker 2: Here to God on an unidentified object every liberty four

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call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I cannot believe

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it's December already. How are you all doing. I'm Nick

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Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest

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is Matt in Colorado, and he has two UFO signs

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to share with us. He had been living all summer

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in his RV when he witnessed a close up UFO

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over the Mountain Ridge. Matt is also an experienced small

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airplane pilot, so he's more than familiar with what it

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wasn't Matt is up next, but first, if you enjoyed

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help is very much appreciated. Now on the show. Hello, Matt,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Nick. It's great to be on herd

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your show. In the past, I asked and enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. It's great to have you with us today.

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And you'll call in from Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Colorado, United States, don't tell anybody, but it's the

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best state, and don't tell them because we don't want

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them all moving here.

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Speaker 3: I've heard, I've heard. Now, Matt, you have some experiences

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you're going to your share. Would you like to start

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at the beginning, please, sir?

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sort of background stuff out there so it sets the context.

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I'll try and keep that a little bit short and

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try and get to the experience. I think it'll help

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people sort of understand it a bit better or maybe

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answer some questions before they come up. So, yeah, this

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I was always interested in UFOs my whole life. At

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the time this happens, which is the summer August of

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twenty twenty two, I'm fifty five years old. So I'd

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been interested in UFOs for decades and always wanted the

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sea one, wish for, prayed for seeing one, never saw

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one my entire life, and so that's the backstory. So

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it's not like I've had a lot of sightings in

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my life. This is the first one. And so yeah,

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this takes place in the state of Colorado, pretty much

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in the middle of the state where the Colorado Rockies

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go through and pretty high up in the Rockies. So

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the location, I'm not going to be too specific, but

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it's like a mountain subdivision. Not too many houses up there.

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so for people that want to think meters are on

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that system, you know, that's probably three one hundred meters.

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pine trees, aspen trees, that sort of thing. And where

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ridge and a dirt road is going through this little subdivision.

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lots and people will come park RVs on them or

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parked on one of those lots in you know, a

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camp trail an RV for the summer. So that's the location.

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this little subdivision, I did own a house up there

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familiar with the location, the geography. You know, this is

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not just a place I arrived at that night and

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trained private pilot, and so you know, I'm familiar with aircraft.

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ten pm, and so by now it's dark. So for

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good cell phone reception, I had to get in my

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facing south, and I've just finished a radio show. I'm

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still sitting in my truck. And then all of a

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sudden something catches my attention, not totally my purifer, but

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to the left slightly of looking straight forward, and it's

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in my driver's side mirror, okay, and I see this

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bright light, like really bright. So this catches my attention.

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I'm like, what is that? And so I look into

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the mirror at this light, and I can tell from

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the angle that this is up in the air. This

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is not a car behind me on the road, and

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it's just a bright white light. This is not car headlights,

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it for a second or two and I'm like, wow,

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it's behind me, and I walk maybe ten steps away

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from the truck and face it. I see this bright

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white light, but it's moving very slowly, and I see

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in front of it is a red light, but the

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white light is higher than the red light, and it's

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moving out from behind these trees. So these are Douglas

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fir trees. They're one hundred to one hundred and twenty

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angle of view have it's two thirds of the way up.

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than that is a white light. And then as it

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continues to come appear from behind these trees pretty slowly,

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green light is at the same level as the red light.

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the two sides and ninety degrees at the top up

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to this white light. And in the first it probably

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about this at first, but my mind went through this

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process very quickly of trying to figure out what the

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heck I'm looking at right, So it's like a process

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of elimination. And so I started with like airplane, and

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and it's not shaped like an airplane, and it's flying

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way too slow to be an airplane. Airplanes camp fly

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that slow. So then I go to helicopter. No, if

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it was a helicopter and that close to me, I

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would hear it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I sat up there all summer and had helicopters fly over,

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and I hear them coming from five miles away, and

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I hear them leaving for five miles and this is

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making no sound whatsoever, totally silent like a helicopter. Then

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I'm start grasping at straws at some kind of drone

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or something, and I'm like, no, I've been around drones.

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and it's bigger than a drone. So I've kind of

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gone through and like I said, one second, I've eliminated

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all normal, regular aircraft and explanations. So I realized I'm

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seeing something really bizarre and unique, and so I have

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this idea pop into my head. Immediately, I need to

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grab my cellphone, which I just used to be on

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the radio show, but it's in my truck. Oh man,

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back to my truck to get the cell phone. I

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take two steps and it was I don't know if

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it was a thought in my head or a voice

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in my head, but it was like, no, don't get

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the cell phone. Well, I'm the kind of guy that

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pays attention to that sort of thing, so I'm like, okay.

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and you have to know the distance to give you

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to estimate the speed. You know, something real far away

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looks like it's, you know, max, two hundred feet in

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the air. With the angle, maybe it's above the trees,

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but the trees are closer to me, so I'm seeing

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it appearing to be behind the trees. So I'm I'm

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thinking it's two hundred feet in the year, it's going

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about eight miles an hour. And then I've done a

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lot of thinking, you know, in the more than a

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year since, about how big it was and how far away.

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somewhere around eight hundred feet to one thousand feet away,

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and my best guesses are dependent on that distance, that

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it was somewhere between sixty feet across to perhaps one

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hundred feet across, you know, in length, and it was

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probably thirty feet tall. So that's my distance, speed and size.

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seeing something really abnormal here, and you know, call it UFO.

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anti gravitic ship, right, anti gravity craft, And so because

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of that, I'm trying to pay attention to every detail

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and everything about it and make a very close observation.

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front red light is sort of blinking, but I wouldn't

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would sort of glow brighter, and it would stay brighter

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you have these slowly pulsing, increasing intensity glowing light. But

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they didn't blink like an airplane. An airplane lights blink

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once per second, and they kind of twinkle blink, blink, blink, blink.

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a red light on the other wing. And that's so

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coming towards you or flying away from you, by which

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side the colored light is on right. So if the

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green's on the right, it's headed at you, you better

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take a base of action. If it's red on the right,

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you know it's fine. In the opposite direction, you're not

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seems very obvious to me. It's one craft. It's not

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three different lights flying in formation. It just moved as

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lights on it. I would assume the craft was, you know,

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sort of pyramid shaped, and the lights were at the front, back,

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and top. It was really dark that night, and the

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lights weren't bright enough that it illuminated. If it was

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a solid ship, I couldn't see the ship or craft right,

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I'm just seeing the lights. And now I get to

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watch it. I've replayed it in my mind. I get

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to watch it for probably a total of twelve seconds,

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which doesn't seem that long, but it's one of those

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things where time slows down, like if you're having a

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car accident or something that you know, or time dilation,

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or like if you're having a dream and it time

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was dilated. So it was really long in my mind,

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and that's actually a pretty long time to have a

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sighting like this. Well, the reason that it ended was

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because after this clearing, there's more trees which are on

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the other side of a dirt road that's going vertically

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down this and so it goes behind those trees, and

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I can still get kind of these flicker of lights

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as it goes in between gaps in the trees, and

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so I proceed to walk after it and see if

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I can keep following it or see where it goes,

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and I lose sight of it. So that's pretty much

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the sighting itself in terms of the pragmatic details. Now,

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one interesting thing I guess to share about it from

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an experiential point of view was that when I first

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went out of the truck and saw it, and after

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the one second where I went through the alternatives and went, no,

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this is something very abnormal and unusual and unexplainable. This

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interesting thing happened when I first thought to get my

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camera Nick, I couldn't move. I wanted to go get

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my phone and camera, but my feet were like glued

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to the ground. I'm not sure I could even lift

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in my hand. It's like my body was paralyzed. I

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don't think that was some effect of the ship doing

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something to me or anything. I think it was a

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natural sort of fear response that humans have. You've identified

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a predator or a thread or something you can't figure out,

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so you immediately become motionless and you know, small animals

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will do that. They you know, a mouse sees a

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hawk or a coyote and it'll freeze so it can't

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be seen. So I had that sort of fear freeze

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reflex response, and so that lasted like maybe one second.

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But I noticed that a little bit at the time.

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But when I recalled the experience, it was more profound.

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I was like, Wow, that was a really weird part

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of it. And then I'm going to skip ahead here

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to another thing I found very interesting about this experience,

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and that is, at the time it happened, immediately after,

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I made a phone call and told friend or one

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of my best friends would have just happened, and I mean,

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I had to tell somebody, But after that I didn't

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tell anyone else for at least seven months. But here's

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the really odd thing. I actually forgot about it or

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didn't think about it, like it never occurred to me.

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I can't remember if I thought about it the next

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day or two. I probably did. I probably remembered it

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the next day and thought about it for a couple

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of days, but then it just seemed to disappear from

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my mind. And I'm the kind of guy I got

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a pretty good memory. This is an event I've been

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waiting my whole life for. You would have thought I'd

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been thinking about it a lot, maybe even telling some

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other friends or family member about it, But it just

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disappeared from my content his mind, and I didn't think

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about it for more than six months, and then one

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day it just popped back in. I was like, Holy crid, Matt,

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you know you saw UFO. How could you forget about that?

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And so then I told my brother. And he's not

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the kind of person that's going to be a naysayer

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or not believe me, and he's an open minded guy,

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so it's not like I had any fear of telling

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him or another family member or a different friend. I

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just for some reason forgot about it and didn't tell

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any friends about it. And I've wondered about that, and

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I think it was almost a repressed memory. Or when

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people have a traumatic event, you know, maybe in childhood

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or something really intense happens to him, it becomes a

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repressed memory. Your mind can't deal with it and can't

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explain it, and doesn't want to deal with it, so

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it files it and buries it away. And so that

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was an interesting part of the process and experience for me.

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And then once I remembered it, I thought about it

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every single day for months. I couldn't shake it. It

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was just really important for me to remember it and

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contemplate it. It was. I didn't think it was a

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particularly amazing sighting based on some you hear about and stuff.

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And then I was listening to your show and listening

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to different sightings and experiences, and I thought, you know,

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a lot of times people they see some cool stuff,

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but it's more like lights in the sky, or they

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make interesting, you know, unexplainable movements or things like that,

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but they're usually pretty far away. And so I thought,

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you know, I had technically what's called a close encounter

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of the first kind, which I guess part of the

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definition is within by one hundred feet away, so I'm

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close on that at eight hundred to one thousand feet.

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And so the other thing, like I said, it was

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really low elevation, so it's close and fine low, And

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I thought, maybe it's a more interesting sighting than I

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thought it was, and perhaps a good one to share.

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And I, you know, I had right about that time

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been listening to your show, and I thought maybe I

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should contact Nick and see if he wants to have

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me on the show and tell my story. And before

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I leave that story, because I do have a second

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one that I would like to share too. Before I

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leave that second that one to go to the second one,

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there's another really weird part of that night of what happens.

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After I have the sighting, I get back in my track.

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I'd call my friend to tell her, and I'm all

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pretty excited, and I got adrenaline going through my body

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and I'm telling her the story. And in the middle

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of that, I don't know, five minutes into telling her,

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now I'm facing forward the opposite direction. I'm sitting in

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my truck and I see this bright light appear in

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front of my eyes that you could say it was

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like as big as a bright star if you're looking

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at Venus or Jupiter, you know, total first magnitude, so

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about that size, but maybe even a bit brighter. It's

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right in front of me. But here's the weird thing, Nick,

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It's not outside my truck. It's not in the sky.

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It almost appears to be like at my windshield two

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or three feet away from me. You're two feet away

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from me, So this bright light appears and then another

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one appears real close to it, like a couple inches away,

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and then fairly quickly, about five more appear. And this

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may sound weird, but it looked like a geometric form,

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but not one you would recognize. There was seemed like

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some math or geometry behind it, but it was a

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regular poly polygon or you know, octagon or hexagon or

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something like that. But they seem to be configured a

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certain way. And then but they're all stationary, and then

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all of a sudden, in unison, they very quickly move,

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and in relationship to each other, they all move and

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sort of form something different. And this all happens very fast,

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and then they zoom street at me at light speed

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if you picture Star Trek when they jump into warp speed,

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and it's show and it just flies straight at me

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and either goes into my eyes or through my head

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or something like that. And I'm still on the phone

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with my friend, and I screamed, and I screamed as

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it was I was seeing it. What is that? What

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is Oh? My god, my god? And then when it

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did that thing and zoomed at me, I screamed out

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loud and I started I was so shook it up.

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I was breathing hard. I wouldn't say hyperventilating, but I

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was really freaked out. And the interesting thing is I

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had a more intense reaction and was more freaked out

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than by that then what I had just seen with

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the craft by, you know, in the mountains, and I

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don't know what the heck that was. I know, you know,

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there's this thing, you know, I'm sure you're familiar or

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listeners are, with prana like life forks energy that you

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see as little sparkling white lights almost looks like snow,

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and you're kind of seeing perhaps etheric energy, and you're

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seeing it with you know, what they call your third eye.

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But I've seen that since I was twelve years old

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and seen it my whole life, and that's not at

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all what this was. These lights were much bigger than

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anything I've ever seen with kind of seeing energy third

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eye type thing. Yeah, I've never seen anything like that.

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And how weird it was that this happens within eight

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minutes after seeing a UFO. I don't know. I don't

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know what to make of that. I can't explain it,

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but it's an interesting part of the story. Now. I

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just want to give my tentative or analysis about what

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I saw in terms of the craft I saw, and

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I contemplated this and gone back and forth on it,

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and I know it wasn't anything normal aircraft type thing.

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From its speed and lack of sound, I'm thinking it's

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an anti gravitic craft. And so I'm going to go

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with two basic ideas would be this would be an

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alien craft not from Earth, or this is a US

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government reverse engineered anti gravitic craft. Okay, we could start

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with fifty to fifty. But I have to wonder why

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if it was a government craft, they would be flying

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low through the mountains at ten fifteen at night, you know,

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doing practice drives with their craft in the middle of nowhere.

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I mean, I'm so far from military bases and airports,

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and why would they be doing that. And that's a

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pretty risky to be flying that low and through the mountains.

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And I'm sure if they've got those things, which I

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think they do, they're probably pretty expensive. I don't know

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that's possible. There is in Colorado the nord you know,

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central command and control, you know, for all our military,

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but that's on the whole eastern side of the state.

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Could it have been a government craft that had flown

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out of you know, that area, and we're flying around

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at night for whatever reason. Yeah, that's possible. Could it

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have been an alien craft, Well, certainly that's possible, And

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for a long time I just considered it was more

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likely a government craft. I don't know why. Part of

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it was. I actually tried to communicate with it telepathically

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and spoke something out loud. I skipped this part of

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the story. I was trying to just describe the events

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and physical details. But when I knew it was a UFO,

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I was if you're beings of love and light and benevolent,

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you have my permission to come closer to me, you know,

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come closer. But if you're not, stay the heck away,

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and you do not have my permission, because I'm like,

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I don't want to deal with these gray aliens and

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be abducted. I don't like them. I'm of the mindset

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there's sort of good guy aliens and bad guy aliens.

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So I made an invitation out loud and telepathically to

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communicate with it, and I got no response. So at

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that point I'm going either there were bad guys and

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stayed away, or it wasn't extraterrestrial, so the telepathy didn't work,

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so maybe it was just a government craft. So I

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don't know what it was. I'm not saying it was

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an alien spacecraft. I certainly don't know, and I'm not

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making that claim. I am very absolutely convinced it was

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an anti gravity craft for all the reasons I said.

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So that pretty much wraps up that that story in

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my first encounter.

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Interesting we look at the fact that there's a possibility

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that I could have in government. There is some very

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strange stories which circlate with government secret projects and especially abductions,

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that kind of thing. So you know, you can never

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rule that out. But these lights that you saw, that's

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00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,240
the strange bit. These lights that you saw in front

476
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,680
of your cab after seeing the ship directly after, wasn't it.

477
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it was eight ten minutes later when those.

478
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: Lights came at you. Do you remember feeling anything of unscreaming.

479
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:27,720
Is there anything that you felt, Well.

480
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,279
Speaker 1: They might have been I don't know if they were

481
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,680
physically they're or not, or I'm seeing them in sort

482
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,440
of my mind's eye or interdimensionally or something like that.

483
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,160
I had the feeling I was seeing, I don't know

484
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:48,279
how to explain it, sort of a interdimensional energy coming

485
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:55,799
into the third dimension and presenting itself to me for

486
00:33:56,279 --> 00:34:00,960
some reason and either giving me a show or like

487
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,319
a blast of energy, or maybe some information like people

488
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,960
talk about downloads. You know, I had the feeling it

489
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,559
was a visitation. Let me put it that way. It

490
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:19,280
was a visitation, a demonstration of visitation. I don't know.

491
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,159
Speaker 3: You also didn't make the invitation, right, Oh.

492
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe those were the benevolent They're like, oh,

493
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,239
you just saw a government craft, or maybe those were

494
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,079
the gray aliens, but you made the invitation to the

495
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,039
benevolent beings. So here we are.

496
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,559
Speaker 3: We were in the vicinity.

497
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did just recall two other tidbits I wanted

498
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,920
to mention. So this is almost the punchline of the story.

499
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,280
So I mentioned I had gotten off this radio show

500
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,880
Troubled Minds. Shout out to Michael Strange and Troubleminds dot Org.

501
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,039
So they talk about paranormal stuff and a lot of

502
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:57,719
interesting topics on that show, which is why I'm on it.

503
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,119
I'm interested in that sort of thing. Well, that night's

504
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:08,800
discussion had been somewhat about the multiverse and sort of

505
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,880
like things got into maybe aliens or interdimensional beings or

506
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480
are there things like angels? And you know, it got

507
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:21,800
off into that kind of topics, and I had called

508
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,679
into the show like I usually did. Actually the show

509
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,360
topic that night was kind of along those lines and

510
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,760
in particular about multi dimensional beings, which that was the

511
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:42,519
majority of my call content on the show. And so

512
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,559
then fifteen minutes after the show, I have a UFO

513
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,199
side right, And then eight minutes after that, tying back

514
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,679
into what you just said, these lights in front of

515
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,280
me kind of the windshield. Maybe that was that sort

516
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,440
of interdimensional beings that I had just been talking about

517
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,440
an hour before and maybe had like you said, I

518
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,639
hadn't thought about that. I appreciate you mentioning that that

519
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,679
I had put out that invitation and and maybe they

520
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,519
they heard my call.

521
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah you and you invited them. Yeah, that's really interesting.

522
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,519
You know some people that you know, they would have

523
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,599
they would have just really have mentioned by their first

524
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,039
experience my cat jumping on the desk, and a lot

525
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:27,360
of people probably would have left out, you know, seeing

526
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,719
those those lights outside of the truck.

527
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Nick, in thinking about you know, we

528
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,599
took us a couple of times and coordinate our scheduling

529
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,159
for me being on. But in contemplating what I was

530
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,559
going to say in the order, and you know, sort

531
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:47,119
of planning it, I contemplated several times whether or not

532
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,320
I wanted to or was going to share that part

533
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,519
of the story. And at first I was going to

534
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,760
leave it out, and then I thought, no, you know what, Matt,

535
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,639
that may be an important part of the story, and

536
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,480
so I think you should include it and let people

537
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,920
think or make of it or believe what they want

538
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,400
about it. But I think it's an important part of

539
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:09,840
the story.

540
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,119
Speaker 3: It is important. Do you get that a lot? And

541
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,159
sometimes I'll get it while someone will come on and

542
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,119
then they reach out to me, maybe a couple of

543
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,519
weeks later, saying I've left something out right, But yeah,

544
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,280
I I tell people, even if it's completely excused upon

545
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,159
an alien, what you've come on to say, there is

546
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,199
something which completely doesn't make any sense and the sounds

547
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,320
completely outlandish. Include it because it could have some relevance

548
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,280
and it could be important.

549
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: Right.

550
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad I did, And partly I'm glad I

551
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:42,960
did because of you saying, well you did put out

552
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,760
the invitation, and I hadn't contemplated that that hadn't occurred

553
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,119
to me, and I think you might have something there, sir, Well,

554
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,599
that kind of is a wrap up my first sighting

555
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,440
and my second sighting is at daytime sighting. So Nick,

556
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:03,119
I wanted to also share with you my second UFO sighting,

557
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,920
which kind of interesting. Waited my whole life to have one,

558
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,800
finally had one August of twenty twenty two, and then

559
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:21,760
this summer, I think it was probably June of twenty

560
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,159
twenty three, I actually had a second sighting and this

561
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:31,519
was a daytime sighting. The little bit of backstory was

562
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:37,000
that I had gone to the store and come back

563
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,880
and I was listening to MPR radio and sometimes you

564
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,000
get this what they called a driveway moment. You're so

565
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,000
engrossed in the story that you don't want to go

566
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,440
in the house, yet you want to finish listening to

567
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,719
the story. So I'm sitting in my truck, but I

568
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:58,119
do the CE five Stephen Greer protocol, where you you know,

569
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,960
try and call in the UFO and you visualize your

570
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,599
location and give them the invitation. So I do that,

571
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,039
but because I'm sitting my truck and the grouses in

572
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,719
front of me. I give them specific instructions that, hey,

573
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,119
you have to appear outside my driver's side window so

574
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:18,320
I'll be able to see it. You know, don't appear

575
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,679
straight overhead. I can't see it through the roof of

576
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,039
my truck. And I sit there for ten fifteen minutes,

577
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,719
and you know, I don't see anything. So I get

578
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,440
out of my truck and end up going down to

579
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:33,079
the other side of the house and I'm sitting out

580
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:38,719
on ports that's down there, and the porch has basically

581
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,559
I'm kind of in a corner of the ports that's

582
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,159
close to the house. So there's one wall going out

583
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,039
west and one wall going out north, so I basically

584
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,920
have a ninety degree view of the sky and terrain

585
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:57,960
outside a little bit more maybe one hundred degree view.

586
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,559
So I go and I'm sitting down there, and I'm like, oh,

587
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:05,599
I told him to appear, you know, in the south.

588
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,079
I better give him an update. And so I kind

589
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:15,119
of meditated and telepathically said, Okay, I've moved. I'm down here.

590
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,880
Now you need to appear out here where I can

591
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:24,880
see you. I'm guessing within five to ten minutes, and

592
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:30,320
I'm looking, I'm actively looking around, I'm being hopeful about it,

593
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,719
and all of sudden back up just a bit so

594
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,639
I can see ninety degrees. I'm looking now most of

595
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,400
the way through that ninety degrees, so i'll just call

596
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,639
it in the middle. There's a juniper tree about ten

597
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,320
feet in front of me. All of a sudden, coming

598
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,840
from behind the view of that tree. Appearing from behind

599
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:05,599
it comes this thing. So that's kind of the odd

600
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
thing because I have a lot of view to the

601
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,119
left of that, and this thing is big, So it

602
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:14,559
would seem like I should have seen it before it

603
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,519
got to the tree and came out of the tree.

604
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:20,480
I should have seen it coming towards it and then

605
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,480
seen it come out from behind it because I was looking,

606
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,360
I was paying attention, So it kind of seemingly comes

607
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:33,559
out of nowhere. Similarly, seems to be moving relatively slow.

608
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:40,039
It's a bit hard to describe accurately, but so I

609
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:45,239
got to be general here in my terms, But just

610
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,559
to understand this is just the closest comparison I can

611
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:53,800
come up with. It basically looks like a really big

612
00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:01,559
jet like those military C one transport or jets like

613
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,480
those big huge ones that they open the back and

614
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,840
drive tanks into. I mean, this thing is big and

615
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,599
it's fact it's like really tall, so it's not thin

616
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,599
like a commercial plane. Is the fuselage of it, So

617
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,800
it's it's you know, roughly airplane shaped. It has a nose,

618
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,440
but it's like really blunt, not sharp like a commercial plane.

619
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,480
And I don't know exactly what the shape of a

620
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:35,199
C one would be on the nose, but as a

621
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,320
blunt nose, this really fat, tall fuselage and this thing

622
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:47,199
is huge. So I'm up on a hill about eight

623
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,559
hundred feet over the city. So this is a totally

624
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:53,320
different location than my first siding. I'm not up in

625
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,800
the mountains. I'm down in town, so I'm maybe I'm

626
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,960
up on a ridge eight hundred feet above the sea,

627
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,480
and this is about only halfway across the city, so

628
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:09,519
it's only two miles away from me. It's directly pretty

629
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,280
much straight in line with my view, which tells me

630
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,000
it's maybe five to seven hundred feet flying over the city,

631
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,039
which is really really low, and it's flying over like

632
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,079
downtown area. It's not over at the airport or anything

633
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:34,840
like that, really low, going really slow, and because of

634
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,239
the distance and size. If this was a C one,

635
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,519
it would have been much smaller in compared to the

636
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,840
size that I'm seeing appearing to see it would be

637
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,360
like three times as big as one of those. Now

638
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,400
I don't see any wings, but I've got a straight

639
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,400
on view, so if I had wings like an airplane,

640
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,480
I probably couldn't have seen them at that angle. And

641
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:02,320
then I notice it has a tail like the tail

642
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,440
of a jet, except there's something really odd about it.

643
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:12,920
It's really tall, three times taller, three or four times

644
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,800
taller than what a plane's tail would be. And then

645
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,280
it's wider, meaning it goes from the back towards the

646
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,039
front longer than usual, so it's got this huge, you know,

647
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:31,559
triangular tail on it. And then I'm also immediately noticing

648
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:36,039
this thing is making no sound, nick, and I can't

649
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,880
hear any other planes. I can't hear any other jets.

650
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,840
How could I be seeing this thing that's the size

651
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,360
of a giant military plane two miles away from me,

652
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:52,000
maximum six hundred feet off the ground and not hear

653
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:57,519
the war of a massive jet engines. That's just impossible.

654
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:01,119
And it also, like I said, is you know, it's

655
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,559
fine along pretty good, but it seems to be going

656
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,800
pretty slow. And then the coloring of it was unusual,

657
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,320
somewhere like a dark tan to gray. So keep in mind,

658
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,639
it's big enough that if it had like a tail,

659
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,559
numbers or markings or windows, I would have clearly been

660
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:26,519
able to see them. I had none of that, No windows,

661
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,719
no markings, no colorings or you know, two toned white

662
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,679
on top and blue on bomb. It was just this

663
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:42,840
one solid color. And as it's moving, I know I'm

664
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,360
going to lose sight of it as it goes behind

665
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,440
the wall of this porch of the house that I'm

666
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:52,119
kind of sitting back in the corner, So I immediately

667
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,559
stand up before it goes behind that, so I can

668
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,440
keep my eye on the thing. Right and prolonged the sighting,

669
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,519
I stand up and go to the edge of the

670
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:04,199
port so I'll be able to maintain my view of it,

671
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,840
and I keep my eyes on it the entire time.

672
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,599
I never take my eyes off it. And it continues

673
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,519
for you know, another four seconds that I can see

674
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:18,280
it or so, and at that point it does this

675
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,480
turn away from me. It would be making a left

676
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:26,840
hand turn headed towards the north, but there was something

677
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,559
odd about this turn, and the way it moved, and

678
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,960
it's really hard to describe because it doesn't make any

679
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,760
sense in terms of a plane or how things normally fly.

680
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:46,119
It seems like it kind of somehow curves, but it's

681
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:53,079
moving more like diagonally. It's changing its direction slowly, but

682
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:55,519
it's it's not making a curve. I don't know if

683
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,400
that makes any sense. It's going a little bit left

684
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,280
and a little bit forward and a little bit left

685
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,199
on it more like a straight diagonal than like if

686
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,880
it was a plane that tipped its wings and is

687
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,599
making a slow, gentle curve. So it's turning, but not

688
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,360
in a normal fashion. So it does this turn and

689
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,840
the other odd thing. When I've thought about this before,

690
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:21,840
I still don't see wings. And if it was a

691
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,679
plane and made this pretty sharp turn, I should have

692
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,119
seen the wing closest to me pop up into the

693
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:32,800
air right, But that doesn't happen, and maybe the furthest

694
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,440
wing away from me go down. But I never see wings.

695
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,639
And now at that point it's engined, should be facing

696
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:47,360
me and blasting me, and then it vanishes, boom gone.

697
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,960
It just disappears, and I'm looking at it. I haven't

698
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:58,360
lost sight of it. It's still really big. It didn't

699
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,360
go behind anything. It's a clear day, it's close up,

700
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,880
and it just vanished. And I looked, and I kept looking,

701
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:11,440
and I'm like, is it that disappeared in the sun

702
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,760
went away from the light? It's going to reappear. And

703
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,639
I stood there and looked and looked, and I'm like, no,

704
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:24,559
it's gone. So I immediately actually kind of jogged back

705
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,920
to my cellphone sitting on the table there, and I

706
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:32,199
picked it up, and I brought up that app called

707
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,840
flight Radar twenty four that you can track the airplanes on.

708
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,079
And so I immediately and it was already on my

709
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:44,360
local area. And so I look, and there's no airplanes

710
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,280
over the valley whatsoever. I can see there's a couple

711
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,599
on the ground at the airport, which is further to

712
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:57,119
the north, and I see one private plane that's all

713
00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:02,280
the way across the valley that's heading towards me and

714
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,920
towards the airport. I actually, after the thing disappeared, I

715
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,039
actually heard that private plane in the distance. So I

716
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,320
verified with flight radar that there were no airplanes in

717
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,199
the sky over the valley at that time. And I

718
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,159
was just like, what was that? My brother was home.

719
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,239
I met was staying at my brother's house, and later

720
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,280
that afternoon, forty five minutes later, I said, man, I

721
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,800
just saw another UFO. He's like, what do you see?

722
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,360
And I told him and he's like, huh, that's weird.

723
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:46,440
And there was another thing that really tell anybody about

724
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:51,159
or think that much about for a while, almost like

725
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,880
the first one, sort of disappeared from my memory because

726
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,039
my brain just couldn't compute it. It still can't. It

727
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:04,199
doesn't know what to do with it. It doesn't make sense.

728
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,320
I can't explain it, so it doesn't want to think

729
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:12,199
about it, and it's just no, no, we can't make

730
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,840
sense of it, don't want to think about it.

731
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,599
Speaker 3: So that was my second sighting another interest in one

732
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,320
a few Yeah.

733
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:25,599
Speaker 1: What was cool about that one to me was one

734
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,079
i'd been doing the CE five protocol had had freaking worked.

735
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:36,400
And on that note, I had learned about it five

736
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,199
six years before the C five protocol, and I had

737
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,039
tried it a few times and it never worked, and

738
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,119
so I kind of was like eh, and got a

739
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,519
little frustrated. I'm like, it might work for some people,

740
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:51,840
doesn't work for me. Interestingly, this summer before when I

741
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,000
had my first sighting in early summer, like June and July,

742
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,280
I had actually done the CE five protocol, probably at

743
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,760
least two maybe three times, but again it never worked.

744
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,360
But I don't know if maybe I did it early

745
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,119
and they showed up late they were like, ah, you

746
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,760
gotta wait till August. But then, because I had had

747
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,280
a sighting and for some reason I don't know, wanted

748
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,719
another one or something, I had done the protocol and

749
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,920
told them exactly where to appear, and then I see

750
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,119
this thing that I I can't describe now, don't know

751
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,920
what the heck to make of the thing. Coincidence, nick,

752
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,800
I did the C five protocol and you know, twenty

753
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,599
thirty minutes later see this bizarre thing. And the other

754
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,159
thing about it, of course, is it was a total

755
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,440
daylight sighting. You know, there's not lights in the sky.

756
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:56,559
This is a weird cigar shaped thing with a huge tail.

757
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,920
And if they had wings like an airplane, I shirt didn't.

758
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 3: In so well, you know, I don't really believe in coincidence.

759
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,079
It's very possible possibly summoned something, but that isn't a

760
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,679
strange object. Did you think of the time to pull

761
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,239
either of these, you know.

762
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: After the first sighting, I did think to report it

763
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,960
to move On, you know, I wasn't going to like

764
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:24,519
call the local sheriff or anything. And then I checked

765
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:28,159
out the move On website and because I also wanted

766
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:30,440
to investigate how many sightings we have around in the

767
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,079
area and the valley where I saw the second sighting.

768
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,679
We actually get a lot of UFO sightings around here,

769
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,920
and it's not that big of a population. Maybe one

770
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,719
hundred thousand people live here, and our local UFO Facebook

771
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,920
group as like fifteen thousand members. Wow, and like everybody's like,

772
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,239
we see them around here all the time. And interestingly,

773
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,159
you're probably familiar with Skinwalker Ranch. We're probably as the

774
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,239
crow Flies seventy miles away from that, you know, so

775
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,880
we're kind of in a not too far from kind

776
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,199
of some hotspot paranormal UFO activity area. But when I

777
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,480
looked up Moufon, I was really disappointed in trying to

778
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,079
check out sightings in the area. Their stuff was six

779
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,679
months old, they had one month of data, it didn't

780
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,119
have details. I was like, what happened to your online database?

781
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:28,760
And I'm like, if you're not going to put your

782
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,519
stuff out to people, nobody's going to see my report,

783
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,639
and so I thought about maybe the other organization, the

784
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,880
like National UFO Reporting Network, I might you know, go

785
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:44,280
to them, but no, I haven't done any reports on it.

786
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,599
And on the first setting, I'd like to go back

787
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,119
up there to that area and take photographs of exactly

788
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,719
where I saw it and do some measurements and calculations,

789
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,679
and then I can also do like a use a

790
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,440
photoshop at and take the actual photo and then put

791
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,360
in the lights so you could see like the size

792
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,000
and the position instead of doing like a hand drawing.

793
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,519
And I do want to add on that first one

794
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,480
where it was flying because I'm kind of on a ridge.

795
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,440
It does kind of drop down into a valley there

796
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,559
and drops down maybe eight hundred feet, but that valley's

797
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:28,679
really narrow, so I think that craft was actually flying

798
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,119
up that very narrow valley, so you know, it wasn't

799
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:36,760
necessarily two hundred feet above the ground. It was two

800
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,199
hundred feet above me. So maybe there's one thousand feet

801
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,480
above the ground, but it was much closer to the

802
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,039
edge of the valley that I was on than like

803
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,199
flying down the middle of the valley, and that valley

804
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,960
is so narrow at the bottom, you could throw a

805
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,800
rock from one side to the other. I mean that

806
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,719
it's not like a broad valley. So yeah, I haven't

807
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:02,360
made any reports yet, but I thought about doing drawings

808
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,079
for both of them and maybe doing some reporting.

809
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's important, you know, if anyone has a sight

810
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:12,440
in just report it. I mean, I understand about mof ON.

811
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,960
A lot of their information can be difficult to get

812
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,239
hold of. If you're a member, then obviously that's a

813
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,280
little bit different. My preferred organization is the National UFO

814
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,400
Reporting Center. Peter Davenport does.

815
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,599
Speaker 4: A great job with that.

816
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,119
Speaker 3: And plus you know, you can check the area. You

817
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,440
can check if there's any recent sightings around there or

818
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,559
the roughly the same time as you had your own sighting.

819
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,800
So I kind of prefer it in a way, and

820
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,559
it's never too late, even if your site, in your experience,

821
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,760
was thirty years ago. Just report it because there could

822
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,880
be someone else out there which is also trall in

823
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,159
the databases and trying to make it maybe maybe a

824
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:48,920
connection to their own sighting. Not just handy for people,

825
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,400
but it's also handy for researchers that are also trying

826
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,719
to dig up some information too.

827
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking about how much activity and settings

828
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,800
we have in this valley and that I live in.

829
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,639
And you know, this summer, Nick, I would sit out

830
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,000
at night on the same porch and got a great

831
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,480
view out there, and I would see these lights. I

832
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,920
can't explain. They just appeared like I'm sitting there looking

833
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,119
at the sky and a bright light would appear like

834
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,480
a star out of know where. It would just light

835
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:28,280
up and real bright, venus bright and one second one

836
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,320
thousand and one and then just fade out, gone. And

837
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:37,000
then five seconds later, a short distance away in the sky,

838
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:43,519
another one would do that. And then yeah, two seconds

839
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:48,840
later another one light up, and then maybe fifteen twenty

840
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,920
seconds later another one would light up. They never stayed lit,

841
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,800
they didn't move. They kind of all appeared in different areas,

842
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,840
but well in the scene general area, but not in

843
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,000
the same position. And I watched that every single night

844
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:11,360
for maybe ten days, and then it stopped, and I'd

845
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:13,719
go out there every night of summer and I never

846
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,800
saw it. Also seemed to happen at the same time

847
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,360
around ten thirty, but it's not something I can probably

848
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,719
get a good video of. And then if I did,

849
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,440
what are you going to see a black sky and

850
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,039
then a little white light appears. People be like, oh, photoshop, bake,

851
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,960
doctor cgi. I mean, it's not going to show anything.

852
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,800
So I'm like, yeah, okay, that's weird. Probably I don't know.

853
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,480
I wanted to see if there's some weird thing where

854
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:42,360
sometimes satellites will reflect the sun but they're spinning, so

855
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,039
then they go on and off. But I don't think

856
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:50,960
that fits. But yeah, it's almost common around here.

857
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,119
Speaker 3: You kind of get put into a different bracket than

858
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:58,239
just your regular observer because you have aircraft experience and

859
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,119
you do have a knowledge of aircraft recognition, so you

860
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,920
kind of know what you looking at. You understand about

861
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,679
distance and how things can be confused, and you know,

862
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:10,599
we know seeing things at angles and the certain lighting conditions.

863
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I studied astronomy. I know

864
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,079
my stars really well. So I'm out. You know, I

865
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:19,360
can be out at night and there's like a bright

866
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,719
light and I'm like, oh, that's venus. You know, Oh

867
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,840
that's stupid, or oh that's serious. You know, it's kind

868
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,519
of blinks and changes colors and it's got some red

869
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,960
shift and appears to wobble. A lot of people that

870
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:34,039
think they're seeing a UFO. They're they're seeing serious. So

871
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:38,480
I know my sky pretty well. And also I actually

872
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:42,280
had a NASA scholarship in college and had space studies

873
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,280
and got to go to a couple of different NASA centers.

874
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,320
I got to see the Mars Rover, one of the

875
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,320
Mars rovers before it went to bars, and got to

876
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,000
stand fifteen feet away from it. I keep up on

877
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,199
you know, astronomy and NASA stuff, and so I'm pretty

878
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:02,119
aware of like saddles and you know, the space station

879
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,159
and star links. So I try to be pretty rational

880
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,039
and methodical and rule things out before I just jump

881
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,880
to the inclusion, Oh there's a UFO. There's a UFO.

882
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:18,960
It's an alien ship, you know. I try to think

883
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,039
about what I'm seeing and go through a checklist and

884
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:26,159
figure it out. I thought I was seeing, well, something

885
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:29,280
I didn't understand so and couldn't identify, and I thought

886
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,440
it was a UFO, And after a couple of days

887
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,920
of studying it and seeing it multiple times, I was

888
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:39,800
able to determine it's a satellite. But I was kind

889
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,000
of excited about this day. Oh I think I'm seeing

890
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,840
another UFO. A couple of days later, I figured out, No,

891
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:46,840
that's a satellite.

892
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,800
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Speaker 3: It's time it ew It's the x x X. People

903
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,679
have to realize, you know, I mean, there are so

904
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,639
many satellites up there at the minute, and it seems

905
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:54,639
to be the SpaceX just pumping another twenty four, another

906
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,840
twenty four every couple of days, so that you know

907
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,920
there's a lot of activity up there, but sound like

908
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:03,840
it's just continue moving. They going one straight linear path.

909
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:07,480
When people see lights which I think is a satellite,

910
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,159
and then it goes off and makes a strange turn.

911
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,760
It goes off at a different angle, chances are that

912
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,400
that wouldn't be a satellite.

913
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: Change speed makes ninety degree terms, Yeah, that's not a satellite.

914
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: Definitely not a satellite. And I know there is some

915
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:23,880
very bright satellite. I know there's another satellite that's gone

916
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,960
up within the last year. I forget the name of it,

917
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,800
but I know it's a lot brighter than the ISS,

918
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:31,519
because when the ISS comes over that's very bright. It

919
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:33,840
looks like it's very low, especially if you've never seen

920
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,920
it before. But again, if it's moving on a linear path,

921
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:38,840
chances I will be a satellite.

922
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this when I was observing a little interesting. First

923
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,800
of all, like I said, I have a habit of

924
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,280
hanging out on this porch and stargazing, and so I'm

925
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,440
real familiar with, you know, the stars that are up

926
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,280
there and used to the scene and you know, you

927
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,559
get to recognize them and things like that. And this

928
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,760
one I started seeing maybe a week ago, just a

929
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,639
week ago. I'm like, uh, that's not a star. That

930
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,000
doesn't belong there. And I was seeing it, you know,

931
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,960
in early nighttime, and that's not usually there. That's not

932
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,960
a star. I don't know what that is, but it

933
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,840
seemed to be really stationary. It wasn't moving at the

934
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,239
speed of satellite would and so that's why I was

935
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,280
curious about it. I'm like, it's not a star and

936
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:31,079
not moving like a satellite or the space station. So

937
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:33,599
that's what got me real curious about it. And then

938
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:39,039
because it appeared repeatedly at the exact same location, I

939
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:42,679
was like, Okay, maybe this is a geostationary satellite. But

940
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,880
then it was weird. When I got up early for

941
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,800
the show this morning, I saw it and it was

942
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,119
a bit higher, but it was you know, if you

943
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:56,199
went straight down vertically, it was in the exact same position,

944
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,559
so longitude would be exactly the same, and the brightness

945
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:03,960
was same, and I was, Oh, there's that satellite. And

946
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:07,880
I'm like, wait a minute. It's five o'clock in the morning,

947
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:11,920
and usually I see that thing even lower at ten

948
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,920
o'clock at night, so that that can't be if it's

949
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,360
a geostationary satellite. So if it's a satellite, it's not geostationary.

950
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:23,480
But then I continued to watch it and monitor it,

951
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,800
and it's not going at normal satellite speed, so I'm

952
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,840
considering that it's sort of like a you know, a

953
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,000
spy satellite or a mapping satellite, so it's in this

954
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:45,960
interesting speed to where you know it's mapping. So at

955
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,840
one time it might be over the United States during

956
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,199
the day and one time at night or different times

957
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,880
of the day. And I did recently hear I think

958
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,360
North Korea just put up a satellite, I don't know,

959
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:01,320
three four days ago or something. I don't know if

960
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,639
it's a coincidence, but it seems to me it's probably

961
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:05,800
a military satellite.

962
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going out put

963
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:10,440
them in it. Not all the satellites are in the

964
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,760
same height, are they? Some are way further right, some

965
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,800
have lower orbit. When you mentioned flight Radar twenty four,

966
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,760
which is one of my favorite apps, I should really

967
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,920
put this as a list of apps to use on

968
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,719
the website. But to those a listeners that don't know.

969
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:28,320
If you've seen something in the sky and you want

970
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,760
to make sure it's not a plane or a helicopter,

971
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,880
download flight Radar twenty four. It is a good app

972
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,519
and I've been using it for years. With the free version,

973
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:40,280
you can actually go back in time I think about

974
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,280
maybe two to three weeks. So if you saw something

975
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,280
last Saturday at a certain time, put in the details,

976
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,440
and then you can look back. I think for the

977
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,400
paid version you get months. I think in itself is

978
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,119
a great app. And then at least that way you

979
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:55,079
can say, you know, it's not a plane. Of course,

980
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:59,760
some military lights they won't necessarily be registered on this app.

981
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:04,840
And I think some police helicopters I won't show up sometimes,

982
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:08,320
so that's one thing to keep in mind. Another good

983
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,199
app is the sky Tonight. I was asked about this

984
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,400
the other day, and you can basically just hold it

985
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:17,840
up and whichever direction you point it would tell you

986
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,000
what's in that direction. So it's how you know where

987
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:22,480
the moon is and you get to learn a little bit.

988
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, those those are two great ideas. And if you

989
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:30,280
hadn't mentioned the you know, star Treker apps, star map things,

990
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,400
I was just about to mention it, because those are

991
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,039
the two things that if you're interested in UFO stop

992
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:38,639
or even if you're not, they have those on your phone.

993
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,760
They're free. And then if you see something you know,

994
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,840
you can you know, Like when I had my daytime sighting,

995
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,199
I was I was on my cellphone looking at the

996
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:54,119
plane activity within fifteen seconds, so I could rule out

997
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,239
that it was a jet or any aircraft. But between

998
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,639
the two, you see a light in the sky and

999
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,599
you can, you know, you put up this star treker

1000
01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:07,360
thing and let's say it's not moving, and you point

1001
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,719
it right at it, and it's like, oh, that's Venus.

1002
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,320
The funny story of they had I don't know in

1003
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,920
the last year. I think they had a major blackout

1004
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:20,079
in Los Angeles and the police station got flooded with

1005
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,679
like a thousand calls of this UFO report, you know,

1006
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,719
so it turns out, of course it's Venus. But they

1007
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,719
have such bad light pollution in the city there. The

1008
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,639
people had never seen Venus, so they thought it was

1009
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:35,199
a UFO.

1010
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,679
Speaker 3: It's understandable. I mean, even if you go into the

1011
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,719
the you know, the really really old UFO books from

1012
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,440
the seventies and eighties, even before that, you know, that's

1013
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,639
the near enough the first thing on the list, check

1014
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:48,719
it's not Venus, because it could be what you're seeing

1015
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,039
is Venus. A lot of people, you know, they have

1016
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:54,280
no interest in this guy, you know, not necessarily saying that.

1017
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,119
People always looking at their phones and focused on something else.

1018
01:06:57,199 --> 01:06:58,960
I don't think people look up like they used to,

1019
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:01,239
and people that live in the city, you don't see

1020
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,920
the stars because of the pollution and that so when

1021
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,519
you know, when you do get a lot of reports,

1022
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:09,239
people are generally seeing something which you know is usually

1023
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,400
pretty natural or man made. I said, is an understandable

1024
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:15,599
it does happen, But there is a percentage of these

1025
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:18,960
sightings which have absolutely no explanation.

1026
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:22,599
Speaker 1: Right, And you know, that's probably a message I would

1027
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,400
like to get out to people is look up, look

1028
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,480
up more, look at the sky, and even sometimes in

1029
01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:32,719
the day. It's surprising the number of daytime UFO sightings,

1030
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:36,239
but you know, look up at night. I enjoy the stars,

1031
01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:39,559
and you know, or get out of town and enjoy them,

1032
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:42,639
or or even if you can't see the stars, hang

1033
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:44,960
out in your backyard in the summer and look up,

1034
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:47,599
because if you can't see the stars and you see

1035
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:52,360
some bright thing when you can't see these stars. Okay,

1036
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,519
But the thing I've noticed is after my first sighting

1037
01:07:56,639 --> 01:07:59,639
and then spending this whole summer doing a hack of

1038
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:04,480
a lot more looking up and sky watching. Man, I've

1039
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:07,480
seen a ton of stuff and you're starting to you

1040
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:10,280
kind of start to get the idea, like, man, these

1041
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,960
things are flying around all the time. We just don't

1042
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,319
notice them because we're not looking, and everybody's looking at

1043
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,800
their cell phones and hanging out inside and nobody's out

1044
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,359
looking at the night sky. Yeah. I think they're more

1045
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,560
more common than you might think, and you've got a

1046
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,640
better chance of seeing one if you're looking up.

1047
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, But I do think probably preaching to the

1048
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,239
convert already, because you know, listeners to the show, I

1049
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:37,680
guarantee that's exactly what they're doing. I must I do

1050
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,439
say that at the end of the show, keep watching

1051
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,800
the skies every week, which I must add I got

1052
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,560
that from from the nineteen fifties black and white film

1053
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,600
The Thing, Keep watching the skies, right right. Someone did

1054
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,720
ask me about that the other day. Our listeners, you know,

1055
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,199
I'm sure just about all of them will spend their time,

1056
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,239
you know, when they go out dog walking, or they

1057
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,279
you know, they're on the on the way to work

1058
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,560
early in the morning, in taking a look up, taking

1059
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,199
the sky in.

1060
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 2: I reckon.

1061
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:09,119
Speaker 1: Those are my two tails and two experiences I'm thankful for.

1062
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,640
I don't know quite what to make of them. But

1063
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:16,079
like a lot of people say that I've had a

1064
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,880
sighting is you know, I know what I saw, and

1065
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,279
it may not be that you know exactly what you saw,

1066
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:27,479
but you know what it was not. No, if one

1067
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,479
in an airplane, you know, it's like, I know what

1068
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,279
I saw. You don't have to believe anymore. You know,

1069
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,079
if you haven't seen one, you've got to kind of

1070
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,880
believe in it or think maybe it's true or probably

1071
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,640
true or whereever you're at. Well, once you've seen one,

1072
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:44,960
had your experience, you're like, Okay, now I know I

1073
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:47,039
don't have to believe or take it on faith.

1074
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:50,279
Speaker 3: Now I know when you hear other people's accounts, now

1075
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,960
you're not just kind of taking a face value. You

1076
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:55,600
are thinking, chances are this is what they saw.

1077
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: Right. Well, finally in the day and age where you know,

1078
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,520
the US government and public congressional hearings that come out

1079
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,800
and been like, yep, they're real, and yeah, we got

1080
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,439
them on video with multiple sensors, and that is indeed

1081
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,199
our video. You know, the go fast and the gimbal

1082
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:16,439
and the ticktaut and there are other reports and they're

1083
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,079
just like, yeah, we don't know exactly what they are,

1084
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:22,920
but they're a thing. And so when the US government

1085
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:26,039
that's covered it up and won't say crowd about it,

1086
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,640
for seventy years finally comes out and says, yep, it's

1087
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,520
a thing well that even the most skeptical person or

1088
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,279
you know, can start going, okay, there's something here. Now.

1089
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,800
The people that used to be the you know, crazy

1090
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,600
as their tinfoil hats or got a hard time for

1091
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:46,319
telling their stories to get taken more seriously, and there's

1092
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,039
not as much being scared to tell it or being

1093
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:56,119
scorned or ridiculed. It's more acceptable and normal, and that's

1094
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:59,279
a good thing that encourages people to come out and

1095
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:01,600
talk about these things. You know. There's a great story,

1096
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:05,159
amazing experience that a guy had fifty years ago and

1097
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:07,239
never told him body. Yeah, he was just afraid I

1098
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,000
was going to be treated and then he finally since

1099
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:12,960
society has changed warmed up, he was like, okay, I

1100
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:15,920
guess I could tell my story with that being considered

1101
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:16,439
a weird on.

1102
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 3: That then that's exactly what's happened. I've had new listeners

1103
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,079
come into the show which had no interest in it before,

1104
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,119
and yes, as soon as the government came out saying

1105
01:11:25,159 --> 01:11:28,039
all this, and it's then becoming a little bit more

1106
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:31,520
acceptable and people which weren't really interested in the subjects

1107
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,600
you know, and now talking about it. So it is

1108
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,079
a good thing. I think things are probably going to

1109
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:39,800
be continue being as slow as they are. Every week

1110
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,760
there seems to be a new revelation that's coming out,

1111
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:46,800
someone else that's whistleblowing. There's definitely something that they're hiding,

1112
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:49,119
and I think, you know, it goes, you know, straight

1113
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:51,960
to the top. There's a lot of factions involved and

1114
01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:55,600
a lot of secrets which i'd imagine people don't really

1115
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,479
want let out. There's another country other than the United

1116
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,520
States or the UK that is going to come forward

1117
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:04,880
and be a lot more open about, you know, possibly

1118
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,640
things that they have. I think in turn that the

1119
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,439
US will have to come out to do their best

1120
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,439
to come out first, because you don't want to be

1121
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,279
someone that's coming out second. If you understand my drift

1122
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,920
right kind of reminds me of you know, the space

1123
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:22,640
race between the States and the old Soviet Union. That's

1124
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,960
exactly what that was. It was it was important to

1125
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:25,560
be first.

1126
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, along those lines of what you're

1127
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,079
talking about. I don't know if you've heard this, but

1128
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:40,920
so in the United States, in this year's defense budget authorization,

1129
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:46,600
which got delayed for you know, political reasons, but is

1130
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:50,239
just about to be passed or it's right around this time,

1131
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:52,880
or they got to get it done. And I've actually

1132
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:57,359
read the parts of it that they have a whole

1133
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:05,079
section of new leddation that's like literally it's entitled UAP Disclosure.

1134
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:11,760
And so it's all about really having this legislated program

1135
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:18,199
and putting into law that military people with inside knowledge

1136
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:23,800
of like reverse engineering, downcraft all that stuff, have the materials,

1137
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:30,039
know where the materials are, or even into subcontractors, you know,

1138
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:32,800
that work with the government and they firm this stuff out.

1139
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:35,880
You're free to come forward and tell us this stuff

1140
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:40,359
and we'll give you protection. But then it also mandates

1141
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:44,800
that if they have this knowledge, they're required by law

1142
01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:49,720
to inform Congress and say, yeah, I know about this stuff.

1143
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,680
I worked on this reverse engineering program, or I work

1144
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,720
at a company that has this exotic material, you know,

1145
01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:02,760
or whatever, like they and be panalized and put in

1146
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,319
jail and stuff if they don't. And so they get

1147
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:09,600
this like I think it's a ninety day grace period,

1148
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:11,920
and so it's like you got a free pass to

1149
01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:15,560
come forward and we're going to protect you, and you

1150
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,119
get immunity and everything. Like that. I don't remember if

1151
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:20,960
it's three months or six months. And then after that,

1152
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:26,279
if you haven't and you continue to withhold it, you're

1153
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:28,840
breaking the law. And I think they want to use

1154
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,720
that to get some whistleblowers and find out where some

1155
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,319
of this stuff might be, because I think they pretty

1156
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:37,720
much want to go in and repossess it and be

1157
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,279
like this government property, it shouldn't be stored a Lockheed

1158
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:46,720
Martin or wherever. Right, But it's a very slow thing,

1159
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,560
like it goes into effect next year and then or

1160
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:57,800
are the general legislation does. It doesn't apply until twenty

1161
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,199
twenty four, and then these lauses on the up disclosure

1162
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:07,159
doesn't start until three months or six months into the year,

1163
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,560
and then they get this six month grace period and

1164
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:14,479
like so the actual fruits of that really aren't going

1165
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,039
to be I think until the beginning of twenty twenty five.

1166
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,720
But they're actually writing this stuff into laws. They seem

1167
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,359
to be. It seems like to me the Congress is

1168
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:29,760
a little upset that things have been kept from them

1169
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:33,319
and they can't get at them and get told about them,

1170
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,439
and so they're like, all right, we're going to write

1171
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,680
a lot. We're going to get to the bottom of this.

1172
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,279
Speaker 3: You know, for those those of us that have been

1173
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:43,399
interested in the subject since we were kids, you know,

1174
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,359
so so many many years now, one thing we've happened

1175
01:15:46,359 --> 01:15:49,520
to be is patient, and we've always known a lot

1176
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,079
of us ex experienced already, but we've always had that

1177
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,640
knowledge that we know they have it.

1178
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,119
Speaker 4: They have this tech. We know they do.

1179
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Speaker 3: You know, this isn't just people miss idea things these

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to report of these objects. So they have this tech

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definitely hidden behind tape after tape, and you know, the

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people in Congress and even those higher up just have

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no idea because it's so compartmentalized, you know, it's it's

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very difficult. There's someone which knows a little piece and

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that someone knows a little piece of that. I'm optimistic.

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I can be very doubted of pretty much anything that

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comes out of any country's government. But I'm you know,

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I'm a little bit more optimistic than I was a

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couple of years ago. That that's for sure. I think

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interesting things are ahead, hopefully sooner rather than later. But

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this stuff is definitely there, and they have a lot

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more than they've certainly let on so far.

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Speaker 1: I agree, Well, Nick It's been a real pleasure talking

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to you, and I really appreciate the opportunity to share

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my stories. And you know, if I have another one,

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you'll be the first guy a call man.

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Speaker 3: We are glad to hear it. Matt. I really appreciate

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you coming on sharing that two very very interesting sightings.

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And did always say we've always wanted to see a

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UFO since you were a kid, and now you have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, asking thou shout receive or be careful what you asked.

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Speaker 3: For depends on which way you look at it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, well we'll catch up again sometime. I

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might just drop your email sometimes say hello, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Keep in contact match.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good, by.

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Speaker 3: Great, Matt. You enjoyed the rest of your day, all right,

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and we will talk soon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Thanks bye for now, Matt.

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Speaker 3: That's all for this week. Keep updated and connected with

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the show on x Facebook and Instagram. And if you

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have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,

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you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

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or you can reach out to me via the contact

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page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A

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big fan in the mat for sharing tonight and thank

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you all for listening. I will be back next week.

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Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies by