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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, we're on a short break and hope you're

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enjoying the holidays too, But just in case you're missing

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your daily dose of the Chicks, we got something special

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We hope you enjoyed this replay of one of our

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favorite interviews, and be sure to tune back in this

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or wherever you get your podcasts link in bio. Welcome

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to another deep dive edition of The Chicks on the

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Right podcast. We are thrilled today to be joined by

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all the fellas from the Ruthless Podcast. We were guests

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of theirs several weeks ago and had just the best

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time and wanted to absolutely return the favor. So we're

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glad to have the fellas with us, and I thought

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a way to kick off our conversation today because I

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know we're going to talk about a lot of things,

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but for those people in our audience who may not

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know or be new to you, fellas, could you talk

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a little bit about how you all began and why

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you refer to your show as the program.

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Speaker 2: Well, how dare anyone not be familiar? How dare they listen?

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Thanks for the hospitality. We really loved having you guys

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on when you were on our show. I think we

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had a good time and good enough where we didn't

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offend you where you wouldn't return the favors. So here

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we are, listen the program. It's it's probably a downstream

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effect of all of our sort of idiosyncrasies, oddities and

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otherwise weirdness that we just can't call it a program.

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over indexed on Midwesterners here on the program. And truth

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be told, I'm not even sure how it is that

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it started, but I know we did a lot of variety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it. I thought program came from trying

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to mimic like the southern genteel senator sound of the

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you know the program, Yes, them program, you know, that's

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that's what I mean. I don't know. Some of it's

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just apocryphal. I don't know how we come up with

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these things, but we stick with them, and the lore

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of the program is rather deep. At this point. You

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need like a decoder ring to get all the jokes.

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Speaker 2: We should put together like a glossary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, rightictionary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we do.

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Speaker 2: You guys get it.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen years fourteen years of like inside jokes that we

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Speaker 5: Well, we totally get this program.

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Speaker 4: The whole show. I feel like the whole show is

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basically just, you know, our lunchtime conversation. And we kind

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of got this whole thing started during COVID. You know,

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five pm zoom from our homes and after a while

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sitting around and joking and having a few pops, we

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were like, you know, this might actually make for a

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good podcast, and so you know, here we are three

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Speaker 2: It's a lunchtime conversation. If your lunchtime includes like three

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tip toppers of bourbon, yeah.

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Speaker 6: That's that's And also, to be fair, it wasn't just

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while drinking bourbon. Yeah, completely on fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, transparency is a hallmark of the variety.

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Speaker 6: So I mean we had a great time. We had

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Speaker 1: We're so we're kind of kindred in that sense because

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our website is we just went to lunch and talked

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of these, and you know, instantly we hit it off.

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Speaker 4: No I was gonna say all of our fears were confirmed.

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Speaker 2: But and the rest of us have worked John and Duncan,

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offshoot of ruthless when talking politics, like we don't in

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it extends far beyond that into culture and into you know,

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sports and just animal animal fighting, which is now what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I husky.

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Speaker 3: So it's all the.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there you go totally.

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Speaker 1: The screamings exactly exactly and dunking on the Kardashians we

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Speaker 2: Nobody's done better with less than the Kardashians.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they are going to be the cause for.

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Speaker 5: The demise of Western civilization.

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Speaker 4: They're trying their d.

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Speaker 2: That in the show The Bachelor. The Bachelor, I felt

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like that in and of itself was the symptomatic of

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Speaker 4: Like that was.

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Speaker 1: Tell me it's not still on the bacause that still happens.

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Speaker 5: I thought they have like a show one now.

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Speaker 1: Right, the firing Congress people, it's like firing Congress people.

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Speaker 5: It's going to live for.

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Speaker 3: They're doing a geatric version now, Oh my yeah, I

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just read that They've got like some I don't know,

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like widow, like some sixty seventy year old widow that's

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Speaker 2: The winner becomes president of the United States. I've seen it's.

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Speaker 5: He has to be at least eighty to right.

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Speaker 3: So you, guys, are I mean, since you're so entrenched

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in DC, I'm assuming that sometimes you get accusations of

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Speaker 2: So what is it?

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it at all. What are you hearing about this upcoming

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election and where people's heads are arming? We look at

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the polls and it looks like Trump's running away with this.

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Speaker 2: Glad, I'll kick it off. I know everybody's got their

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Speaker 2: It looks like Donald Trump has got a massive lead,

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and it doesn't matter if you are indicted or what

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the news cycle looks like like, it only expands. I

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national poll. I think that's something to watch as you

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what's been done to him is egregiously wrong, and you

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here was born however, correct, Like the perspective that we

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Speaker 4: I understood, I understand.

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Speaker 4: I do. I do. I mean, like I think when

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Speaker 4: Is that.

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about my buddies back in Indiana and whether that this

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content and the stories recovering are accessible to them in

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the way that they consume politics. And like nobody just

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sits down for a lunch or at the water cooler

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and they're only talking about politics, or like they want

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to be lectured too, right, Like, if they talk about politics,

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they're talking about that for the time. And they're talking

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about sports, they're talking about culture, they're talking about movies,

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they're talking about all this sort of stuff. So I

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think we try to make our show approach from that

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lens of like how do normal people actually consume politics?

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and Indiana, and when I talk to them, they're only

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kind of sort of paying attention to this Republican primary

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at this point. Like, and these are people who definitely

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consume a lot of political news. But I think what

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people are seeing in the polling is like the response

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bias of people who pick up the phone and talk

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to a polster for twenty minutes and say, yes, I'm

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definitely voting for this person.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I think the like, just based on my conversations with

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family across the country, everybody is much more open for business. Yeah,

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then the polls would suggest. And like even if you

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look at some of the polls, like, you know, Donald

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the cross tabs in those polls, half the people that

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are saying they're supporting Donald Trump today are open to

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other candidates. And like, you would never really know that

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from reading just headlines.

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Speaker 7: You know, No, talking to family and friends is the

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best way I've found to stay grounded in all all

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kinds of politics, but picularly this presidential election. And I mean,

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I'm also from the Midwest, Like these guys.

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Speaker 2: You can't literally the thing you need to know about

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smash is that he actually cannot complete a sentence without

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linking it back to Cincinnati. It is impossible, you can't.

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It is literally wait, just wait.

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Speaker 7: Guy loves his town, proud of his town.

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Speaker 4: That's a rare thing these days.

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Speaker 6: The truth is it's because Crooks the only DC guy here.

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He's friends with journals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, That's.

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Speaker 7: What I found is that you you really cannot get

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a good understanding what's happening in politics by talking to

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people in DC. You just fundamentally can't. And you were

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asking about the presidential race. And what I've heard from

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a lot of my family and a lot of my

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friends is that people are open minded, Like Michael says,

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they they want they still like Trump, they still want

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to stick up for Trump, but they want to win,

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and so they don't They're not ready to like completely

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turn away from Trump. You know, they like the things

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that he did. Uh, this is probably like what you

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guys here on a daily basis. But they also want

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to win and they don't want another four years of

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Joe Biden. So it's it's a conflict that they are

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wrestling with on a routine basis, and the mainstream media

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will never capture that yeah.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of diehards though, I mean, you'd

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be surprised, like we have a you know, we have

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a definitely we have like the real folks out here

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in our audience, but a lot of the diehard Trump people.

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What we're struggling with, I think, audience wise, is we're

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trying to get a gauge as to whether or not

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those folks will be never Bideners, if that makes sense, Like,

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we want to make sure that when it when push

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comes to shove, they will vote for whoever it is

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that is on our ticket, and it's not going to

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be Biden, you know what I mean, because at this.

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Speaker 2: Point, I I mean, I think my sense is both

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sides of the party we have equal concern. Now generally speaking,

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this thing works its way back together because it's quite

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great equalizer and consolidator is always a Democratic party and

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their willingness to do absolutely insane things that drive people

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through the moon with woke culture and everything else. So look,

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I think we're gonna get there. But there is a chasm,

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no question about it, that we may not have seen

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since like H. W. Bush and Bob Dole right where

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you just have two sort of competing visions that are

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not working together hand in hand, and then they're just

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going to run this thing all the way through. And

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I don't know that that's necessarily DeSantis and Trump. I mean,

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it's the field in Trump and I think we're going

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to get there. But I agree with you. I think

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that for us, we take time trying to explain that

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I'm like eighty five on the issues themselves. I mean,

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other than like a handful of things, everybody agrees on

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almost everything right, right, exactly, yeah, and the case. So

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what we try to suss out, and I'm sure you

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guys do a lot of this too, is why is

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it that you are where you are? And you know,

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for an awful lot of Trump supporters that thirty percent

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sort of what it feels like a basement that he

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can't go below that. I'm not sure that there's a

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ton of issues in them of themselves that have consolidated

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that support. I think they just love Donald Trump and

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that is fair, and that is exactly That is how

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you build a movement, and that's what a base looks like.

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I mean, it doesn't almost matter what it is that

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the issues are. For the rest of the field, there

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are issues that sort of helped consild for people were very,

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very concerned about the advancement of woke culture and corporations

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and schools and things like that. I mean, DeSantis has

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historically had a big lead with that crew, you know,

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and there's been different candidates have different pitches. I think

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at some point everybody will get back together. Here we're

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just gonna We're not there yet. We had a lot

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of road to go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was roughly at this point in

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the previous Republican primary that we had Jeb Bush leading

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and people are thinking about Scott Walker might be Yeah,

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the next thing so.

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Speaker 2: Well of his breath, best brewsters, millions impersonations, Right, that's

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been it all one day, like thirty seven mil what

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was it?

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Speaker 5: And what did they call him?

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Speaker 3: Remember they called always referred to himself as aggressively normal.

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Speaker 5: He was very normal way too because he was his normal.

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Speaker 6: His track record of just kicking the hell out of

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unions was incredible, Like he had a great track run

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that was It's just you never know the way these

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things turn out.

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Speaker 2: He ran for president as a vanilla ice cream going

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There is no question about that.

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Speaker 1: Is like the guy on the vanilla. I order vanilla

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ice cream. There's nothing wrong with vanilla ice cream for

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some of us.

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Speaker 2: On yourself, you're telling on yourself.

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Speaker 5: It's okay, it's all right.

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Speaker 3: Are you guys all? Are you all on the same

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page when it comes to who you would like to

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see advance to be the nominee?

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Speaker 5: I don't think squabbled squabble about the squabble.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's what we love about.

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We all have very diferent perspectives, extremely different perspectives on

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the show, and we you know, that comes up and

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we do sort of squabble a little bit about it,

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which I think is, you know, it gives a little spice.

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Speaker 3: I think that you got to tell everybody go around

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the table and like name your horse.

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Speaker 4: Oh I don't have that.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we don't have a horse yet.

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Speaker 2: And plus we have made a concerted effort within UH

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in both with our agreement with when we're talking to

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Ron McDaniel and the rn C, and they're gracious offer

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to help or to allow us to host a a

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pregame show for the debate that we weren't going to

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be endorsing candidates. That would make it a little difficult

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to having partiality in.

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Speaker 5: That same Yeah, so that's fair.

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Speaker 2: But we also have made a commitment to our audience

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that we were going to have every single presidential candidate

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on and give them a long form, half hour interview

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where we ask them all kinds of different stuff. We're

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not going to put thumbs on the scale and they

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can make the determination. You know, they've look some of

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the prize people. Right, we had Doug Bergham on the

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show who crushed it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an incredible like I'm telling you, when

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more folks know about Doug Burgham, like his story of

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essentially he used to be a chimney sweep who got

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into Stanford and started a company in North Dakota to

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keep kids in North Dakota working in North Dakota.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the then he sold to Microsoft for a billion dollars,

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Like building a tech company in North Dakota.

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Speaker 5: It actually puts me to sleep.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do love the business people stories. I like that

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aspect and that's one of the reasons I like Vivague too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: I think. I mean, I think.

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Speaker 1: Business people coming in and running for office rather than

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career politicians. And that's one of the reasons that truck

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Speaker 7: People liked it from Let me just say, Vivek is

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Speaker 4: We gother up by the bootstraps. Guys, he's a billionaire

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because of his hard work. You just knew Cincinnati was coming. Look,

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Speaker 1: He's He's also resonating with young people. I have two

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older kids, that is millennials.

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Speaker 5: They really like the vague.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys are hearing from the

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millennial folks like it, but that is that is something

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is that is attractive to the younger demo.

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Speaker 5: Is the fact that he is not eighty years old.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, I think I think that's key. And

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my feedback loop, Yeah, my feedback loop on him is

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biased because he's from Cincinnati and we actually have some

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some friends in common. Uh, But I think you're right

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about the age thing. I think the age thing. And

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Michael has gone to the mat on this on the show.

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I'll let him talk about his his war on boomers.

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our generation? It's like nice jen X has just been

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overlooked for how long? And it's like it's our time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think.

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Speaker 5: It's like enough already with old people.

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Speaker 4: I think the boomers would admit, but they have sort

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of a stranglehold on our culture, you know, like here.

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Speaker 2: We go, you wound him up, you stick a corner

478
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in his back, Ladies, here we go.

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Speaker 5: Okay, go let let him go. I'm good with it.

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We'll shake it.

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Speaker 4: I think about think about this. Okay, two big before

482
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the Oppenheimer and Barbie, right, the two big summer blockbusters

483
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were Another Mission Impossible movies starring Tom Cruise and Another

484
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movie with Harrison Ford, you know, and and like yeah,

485
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I'm sorry, but those people have been around since like

486
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the nineteen eighties, like and the boomers are like, yes,

487
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these stars need to be headlining more summer blockbusters. It

488
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needs to be more about when I was, you know,

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forty years younger, you know, and like nothing new, nothing new.

490
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And then think about like the two leading candidates for president.

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You got Joe Biden, he's technically silent generation. He's not

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even a baby boomer. But let's let's say it's of

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the same you know, era. And then you know, Donald

494
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Trump baby boomer, right, And I think about the fact that, like,

495
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you know, when we elected the first baby boomer president,

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Bill Clinton, was nineteen ninety two, and my father, who

497
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is a baby boomer, was the age I am. Now

498
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my son is the age I was when we elected

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the first baby boomer president.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Think about that. Wow. And that was thirty years ago. Now,

502
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thirty years ago we elected the first baby boomer president,

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and the two leading candidates for president are still baby

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boomers thirty years later. Wow. And it's like these baby

505
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they talk about like leaving a better country for the

506
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next generation. When does that start? When does that start? Exactly?

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Speaker 5: You're so right, Let's.

508
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Speaker 2: Get a little let's go samp bring your thoughts on

509
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social Security.

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Speaker 4: I love the baby boomers, but like, you know, we

511
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could start passing the passing the dorcha all I'm saying,

512
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it's you know, and I know I'm not going to

513
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get an angry call from my mom.

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Speaker 1: No. The only thing I'll say about that, like, especially

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about the creative stuff, like the movies, we wouldn't they

516
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wouldn't be making so many mission impossible movies if millennials

517
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would make stuff that was actually decent, like I mean,

518
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start being quit remaking all of our ship.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the tragedy of it, is that millennial

520
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generation is actually more destructive boom because they take everything

521
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that was sacred and wonderful and then they'll be like,

522
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now this person is a different race, this person is

523
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a different gender, and they're going to be fighting like

524
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capitalism or something like this is.

525
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Speaker 2: A different movie.

526
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Speaker 4: It's like the Magic Fish or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quit redoing all of our stuff. Quit like warping

528
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all of the great stuff that we did back in

529
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the eighties and nineties and like come up with your

530
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own stuff. But other than that, I totally agree with

531
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everything else that you say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what do you guys, What do you guys

533
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make of DeSantis's decline in the polls like he's people

534
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,519
are going after him so hard. And you know, my

535
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view is personally is that I think Trump has really

536
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tainted his entire campaign and his idolator followers are just

537
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doing to Dysantis everything that they complained was ever done

538
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to Trump in the last campaign cycles. But is it

539
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something that you think that he can recover from And

540
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do you think that he's messaging correctly and that he

541
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needs to just stick with what he's doing or does

542
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he need like a whole shake up.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me start with the first piece

544
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of this, which is always overlooked because of all the

545
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headlines about Donald Trump. He's actually running a pretty good

546
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campaign and he's got some really smart people that'll help

547
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to steer the ship right now. And there's little things

548
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for those of us who have been in the business

549
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for a long period of time that you look at

550
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and like they're technically very sound for the first time

551
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in any of Donald Trump's previous campaigns, like their Sarah

552
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Get deployment, their endorsements to overshadow news events and other

553
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candidates are making like they're just technically very sound. And

554
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that includes strip and bark from Ron de Santis for

555
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like six eight months and spending an enormous amount trying

556
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to define him. I do think that. Look, when Ron

557
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DeSantis was in the lead in this race in January

558
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and February of this year, he had a consolidation post

559
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his big win in Florida, where everybody who didn't want

560
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to just revote for Trump saw in him as the alternative.

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And that included everything from the base that Ron DeSantis

562
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currently enjoys that we talked about with the woke, you know,

563
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anti woke crowd, to your center left, center right suburban

564
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voter who may have walked off the stage during the

565
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Trump years because they were just sort of fed up

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with the Republican Party. And that consolidation made for a

567
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forty five forty six percent of the Republican electorate at

568
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the time. His role out of the campaign was less

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than perfect, let's just say that, and coupled on top

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of that a real significant offensive move from Donald Trump

571
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and his campaign. It's been a pretty precipitous decline. I

572
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will say this, in the last ten days, I have

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noticed a significant rhetorical and presentation change out of Rond

574
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DeSantis that I think had he hit from the very

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beginning that the decline may not have happened, but he's

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sort of opening up the kamono here on everything that

577
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it is that he is talking about why he's running,

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his record and everything else, and he's not afraid to

579
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go on perhaps adversarial shows and talk about it, and

580
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nobody's pulling one over on Ronde Santis. He's pretty good

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at this kind of thing, and he's demonstrated that in Florida,

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and I think that gives him an ability to build

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back now. Whether it gets back to where it was

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at the beginning of this year or not, I guess

585
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time will tell. But I think he's running a hell

586
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of a lot better campaign today than he was a

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month ago.

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Speaker 6: And also, I think, you know, it's not just Trump's attacks.

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I think in January of February, when he was pulling

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much higher, folks didn't know about, you know, the half

591
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,799
dozen other candidates that are in this race that are

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garnering support of their own right. You Know, we mentioned Vivek,

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we mentioned Bergham. There's a lot of candidates who've been

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getting attention, so he's no longer seen as the only alternative.

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I would say one thing, like echoing what Josh said,

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is the more that they make the campaign about Governor DeSantis,

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the better it is for him. He's got that record

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of victory, you know, winning huge in Florida, and you

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00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,200
talk to Floridians and I don't think I've met a

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single one who isn't a huge DeSantis fan, you know,

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especially during COVID. Yeah, they you know, they remained open

602
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and they were very vocal about how, you know, look,

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we can actually live like normal, free humans, when in

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many parts of the country it was an absolute nightmare

605
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where folks weren't allowed to attend the funeral for a

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family member.

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Speaker 4: It was that dire time.

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Speaker 6: And you know a lot of folks on the left

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are hoping everyone just completely forgets that that happened. So

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I think that'd be one of the things that you know,

611
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DeSantis needs to really highlight much more, is his success

612
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as a governor. Again, I still think it's just so

613
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early until you see the folks on stage, like the

614
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way that Trump caught fire in that first debate where

615
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,119
no one, you know, debates used to be this like boring,

616
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,160
very formal event, and he gets up there and just

617
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punches everyone in the mouth and folks love that. So

618
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you know, when they all get up there and you

619
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actually see, you know, how they interact and who wants it.

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And the last thing is, you know, I think McCain's

621
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640
a great example. There's been so many of these come

622
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from behind wins in primaries where the most important step,

623
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it's almost like the hero's journey, is they have to

624
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480
lose everything, they have to strip down, they have to

625
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be beaten, and then they have to crawl back from that, you.

626
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Speaker 2: Know, and do love a comeback.

627
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Speaker 6: That's the thing is you can come back from adversity.

628
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That's I mean, that's the story of America.

629
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: Well, and you can't run against a former president of

630
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the United States without contrasting them versus you, right, And

631
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I think you know, for the for the first six

632
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weeks of the campaign, Ron DeSantis, you know, only kind

633
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of sort of tangentially attacked Donald Trump, and it's like, well,

634
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if you aren't going to take the guy head on,

635
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440
you aren't gonna win because he had the job, he

636
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was president.

637
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Speaker 2: Right, and no Trump voter is going to vote Trump

638
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,519
light when Trump is in right right, and it's happen.

639
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Speaker 4: And if keyty argument is I'm a winner. I just

640
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:38,200
won Florida by twenty points. That contrast only really works

641
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,799
if you point out the fact that Donald Trump lost

642
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,119
to Joe Biden, right, And if you aren't comfortable doing that,

643
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,279
then just give up and go home, you know. And

644
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I think over the last week, back to Holmes's point,

645
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,759
is like he sort of changed his rhetorical tact on

646
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this and I think a way that that is productive

647
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for his campaign. Now, no consultant in DC would have

648
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:02,480
told Ron DeSantis to do that, because if you looked

649
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,400
at every single poll, you'd be like, oh, well, you know,

650
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,920
you can't criticize Donald Trump because these voters love him

651
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,759
and they love what he accomplished when he's president, and

652
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:11,880
all of that may well be true, But if you

653
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960
intend on beating him in a Republican primary, you have

654
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,960
to create the contrast that allows you to win. Otherwise,

655
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:18,799
what are we doing here?

656
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 5: You think that Trump's going to show? I mean, yeah, well,

657
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I'm just going to ask that.

658
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Speaker 7: It's funny you mentioned that, because this is actually why

659
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I think it's one of the reasons I really really

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hope Trump does show at that debate, because.

661
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Speaker 2: He is entertaining.

662
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 7: He doesn't have anything to be afraid of. We all

663
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know what he can do in a debate setting, but

664
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,119
I really want to see him go toe to toe

665
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with this new class of candidates. This is almost a

666
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,400
completely different class of Republican presidential candidates than we saw

667
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,400
when Trump first ran in twenty sixteen. He's getting a

668
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720
little older, he's got some record to stick up for,

669
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,240
some record to be proud of, you know, and I

670
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,759
think everybody should get a chance to have their say.

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Speaker 4: And just purely from.

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Speaker 7: A spectator perspective here, I think Republican primary voters really

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want to see all of them in the ring together,

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because even if you do like Trump, you have the

675
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,519
confidence that he's going to be able to come out

676
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on top.

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Speaker 6: And also, I feel like he has more upside than downside.

678
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,680
I'm sure like consultants are telling him, oh, listen, you're

679
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,160
up in the polls, don't rock the boat. Let's just

680
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,720
you know, stay on cruise control and let's get this nomination.

681
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,480
But if he shows up and it's like the line

682
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is still running the jungle and just wallops everybody, I

683
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,319
think a lot more consolidate this and you.

684
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: Can actually put it down.

685
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Speaker 6: He could put it away if he just shows up

686
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and just.

687
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Speaker 4: Sweat and he already did that town hall on He

688
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,839
can can't hurt it, you know, I mean, like he can,

689
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:43,400
he clearly can hurt him.

690
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:43,559
Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think if he doesn't show up, here's like I

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I mean, I think there are.

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Speaker 2: Two maxims in politics that I just have internalized. The

694
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,920
first is, you can never take a vote for granted,

695
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,480
regardless if it's your column or not. People want you

696
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:05,720
to earn their vote, regardless of where they are, and

697
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:09,559
they could be just totally enamored with your candidacy, but

698
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,680
if it ever feels like you're not really working for it,

699
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,640
they walk away pretty damn fast. The electorate is pretty

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dynamic in that regard. I agree, And if you're Donald Trump,

701
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you do not want to give any sliver of an

702
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:23,880
inclination that you think this thing is over and you're

703
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,519
mailing it in.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin, she didn't show them.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a perfect example, right, I mean, there's just.

706
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Speaker 5: They're such a great example, it really is.

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Speaker 2: And then the other, the other maximum that I live

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by that I think Duncan was getting to is there's

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never been a Republican nominee for president ever that has

710
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:45,440
run and won the nomination off of somebody else's movement. Ever,

711
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,599
it just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The closest you could say was George H. W. Bush

714
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,799
coming off of eight years of Ronald Reagan, but it

715
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,279
wasn't because he reframed everything with a thousand points of

716
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,960
light and it was like a very different message than

717
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,519
Ronald Reagan had. People do not just sort of like

718
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,279
fixate on one thing that gave them their vote four

719
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:09,440
years ago or eight years ago and then apply it

720
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,199
to other people. And that is the biggest mistake the

721
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,480
consultants in our line of work make is if they

722
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,679
look at poles statically and they say, well, seventy percent

723
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,360
of people believe this. That's all that's true. But it's

724
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,400
also a very dynamic atmosphere. When you convince people to change,

725
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,880
you build a movement of your own, and that is

726
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,800
actually what defines every single nominee as far back as

727
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,519
I can remember.

728
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,559
Speaker 3: You know what else tracks is giving your dog rough greens.

729
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,519
I don't know why you would not want to do

730
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,400
that when they lap it up like it's freaking candy

731
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,039
and it's good for them.

732
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: My dogs love this stuff, you guys, especially the shepherds.

733
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,920
I mean, Coda really likes it. But the shepherds they

734
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,440
will not eat their food until I put this stuff on,

735
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,599
until I sprinkle the green stuff on it. They wait,

736
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,760
They look at me like, where is it? What's going on?

737
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738
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It gives them energy, shine, vitality like theirs, their coach change.

739
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,199
Speaker 5: It's great stuff, you guys.

740
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Their breath gets better too, Yes it does. It sues

741
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:17,559
older joints, It sharpens their vision. It adds happiness because

742
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,800
I'm happier. Happier dogs, happier healthier dogs. It was developed

743
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,199
by naturopathic doctor Dennis Black, and you do really see

744
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,920
real results, like we've noticed it, like Mack said, fresher breath,

745
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,079
They become playful, more playful, shine your coats. You do

746
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:34,960
see a big difference. Give it a couple months and

747
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,239
you'll see. So you just put a little bit of

748
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,880
it on top of their meals. I do it twice

749
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,599
a day. I know some people only do it once,

750
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,519
but I do it twice a day, and it's just

751
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,039
a really great way to help them live their best life.

752
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,519
Speaker 5: Yolo with the dogs give them the gift of health

753
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,719
for Christmas.

754
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Speaker 2: Do it.

755
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757
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Speaker 3: Do you want to switch gears? Since we've talked a

758
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,280
lot of polyt Yeah, and you want to switch gears and.

759
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: Talk a little bit radio a little bit.

760
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,519
Speaker 3: You guys have probably heard this story about Don Geronimo.

761
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Don Geronimo. So he's sixty four. Charlotte McBride

762
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,599
is thirty nine. So Don Geronimo is a radio He's

763
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,000
been a radio for a very very long time. And

764
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,760
obviously you guys have heard a little bit about this story.

765
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,480
But he and his sidekick, I think his name is Crash.

766
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,760
I don't know his real name. I'm sure his parents

767
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,199
didn't name him Crash. But they were at the commander's

768
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,039
training camp and they said a few things about Charlotte

769
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,480
not knowing I'm assuming they didn't really know who she was,

770
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,880
but since she is a very beautiful woman and she

771
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,239
does resemble Barbie, I mean she has the look that

772
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,960
kind of looks like Barbie, he made some comments and

773
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,960
he said I thought she was a cheerleader, referred to

774
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,599
as being you know, Barbie, and they were both fired

775
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,000
for those comments, and Mock and I did a whole

776
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:59,960
podcast on this about a week ago, and we.

777
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:01,679
Speaker 5: Both disagree with it.

778
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean, just wholeheartedly agree with the fact that both

779
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,880
these guys were fired. I think one of the reasons

780
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,639
we agree with it is because we're of the generation

781
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,199
where we just don't get offended by much. But also,

782
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,320
we both worked in radio for you know, almost a decade,

783
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,199
and we worked with all dudes, and so we look

784
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,000
at this and we're like, God, we could have gotten

785
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:26,199
all these guys fired, they said, you know what I mean,

786
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,519
because because it was just a playful, fun, frat like

787
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,519
environment that we just we really enjoyed it because they

788
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,480
were like, oh, they were our brothers. Was like working

789
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,320
with a bunch of brothers. But also, I mean, if

790
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,000
if you know, Mack said this in our podcast, because

791
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,159
I don't look a thing like Barbie, but she could

792
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:43,920
probably pass.

793
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,679
Speaker 5: More for Barbie, don't.

794
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: But if some if some dude came up to her

795
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,079
and said you look like Barbie or I thought you

796
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,519
were a cheerleader, both of us would take that as

797
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:55,239
a compliment.

798
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god, like slow over myself with glee.

799
00:37:59,159 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 5: I would really.

800
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: So nice.

801
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, look, this is the thing, and

802
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,159
we're both educated, you know, I feel like accomplished women,

803
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,519
and I wouldn't be like, I just wouldn't be offended

804
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:11,440
by that at all.

805
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,199
Speaker 5: But so many women are offended.

806
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,159
Speaker 1: By this stuff, and the fact that they that she

807
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,840
is okay with this guy or both these guys getting

808
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:20,960
fired from their jobs for this stuff. Just people women

809
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,360
are so okay with the cancel culture. I'm just curious.

810
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,199
You guys are younger than us, and so I'm just

811
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,360
curious what your take is on this whole debacle, all

812
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,320
these shenanigans.

813
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

814
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, look, I think.

815
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: It's an indictment of our culture in a lot of ways,

816
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,119
and that we've become victims and everybody feels like the

817
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,719
only recourse they have is to be victimized by something.

818
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,679
I'm not saying that this woman wasn't offended. She may

819
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,920
very well have been offended. But I think you know,

820
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,800
in generations past in this country, when you're offended by

821
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,000
something like that, she's also an incredibly accomplished professional. And

822
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:58,039
if you've got two dudes out there saying something that's

823
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,199
offending you, you know, I thinkations past, certainly you two

824
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,199
would have done this. You walk up to their radio

825
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:05,000
show and you intimidate the hell out of them. Yeah,

826
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,679
the old geriatric bastards. You don't know anything about what

827
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,599
you're talking about, and it's nice of you to appreciate something.

828
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:11,599
Speaker 5: We actually said.

829
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, offend them right back, right, right, right right.

830
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,639
Speaker 1: We said we would have challenged them to some sort

831
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:19,679
of a you know, like a like a man or

832
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,000
not a radio exactly. It would have been something where

833
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,719
we could have elevated our show by going back and

834
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,039
forth with those guys. It would have been like, yeah, okay,

835
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:29,519
well let's go back and forth with them for a

836
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,760
little bit. But yeah, she just didn't do that. She

837
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,199
did play the victim, which makes all women look bad, and.

838
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 6: We know they're just it's like there's an absolute loss

839
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,239
of forbearans and just trying to understand each other. And

840
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,719
you know, the first instinct in our society has now become,

841
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,880
how do I take away this person's livelihood if I

842
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,239
feel they've wronged me? Like the major reaction to just

843
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,880
make sure someone will worry about how they're going to

844
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,920
pay rent or mortgage or feed their family is the

845
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,119
first actually decide to take instead of maybe pulling them

846
00:39:58,159 --> 00:39:59,599
over and saying, you know, that was kind of a

847
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,760
jerk to say that actually has more of an impact

848
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,840
on a person I would say. Then you know, their

849
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,119
reaction from losing their livelihood becomes like, well, I hate

850
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:11,400
this person. Now you know the problem hasn't been solved.

851
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,599
You've just made someone extremely bitter and hardened.

852
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: And what does it teach people about, Like, basically the

853
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,360
message that it sends that you have no agency whatsoever,

854
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,039
right that you are just sort of walking this earth,

855
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,320
and anything that happens to you you can cry file

856
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,079
and the imaginary referee comes in and lays penalties on

857
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,880
the opposition. You imagine teaching your kids that right, that

858
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,199
life's not harden that if somebody comes at you and

859
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,239
offends you or tries to do something to you to

860
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,039
hurt your livelihood and what you're trying to do for

861
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:45,920
a living, the only thing you can do is throw

862
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,119
up your hands and ask for somebody's you know, third

863
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:53,360
party intermediary to help you out. Like, granted, there are

864
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,159
horrible stories that we've had over the years of people

865
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,360
actually being sexually harassed and actually, you know, having horrible

866
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,840
workplaces that all of us completely agree need to be

867
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,199
addressed immediately. But this kind of thing is an offense.

868
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,840
You're offended. If she was, like you said, you probably

869
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,000
wouldn't be offended. None of the women in my life

870
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,639
would have been offended by something like that. But I

871
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,320
understand that there's some people who would take offense to that.

872
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 5: Some people would, Yeah, some people would.

873
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: And the idea that she doesn't have any agency of

874
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,519
her own to address that, I think is a really

875
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:32,719
shitty thing to tell young women who are trying to

876
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,400
be professionals, who are trying to get to a point

877
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,360
where they're that guy's boss, right, And if someday in

878
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,400
the next Don Geronimo of thirty years from now, his

879
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,440
boss looks a lot like Barbie instead of whoever his

880
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,000
boss is now, my sense is he probably has a

881
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,559
very different way of handling that kind of thing. And

882
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,559
that's how you make societal change. It's not by just

883
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:57,159
like blowing the.

884
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 5: Whistle exactly exactly.

885
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: So, Fellas, if you could let our audience know more

886
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,559
about this upcoming debate night preview.

887
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 6: That you're doing, it's a huge deal. I mean, I

888
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,000
still can't believe it's happening. It was incredibly generous. We

889
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:19,599
had Rona on our show and on the spot she's like, well,

890
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,039
why don't you guys do like a game day pregame

891
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,760
for the debate? So, I mean, you know, if that's

892
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,679
what she wanted, she may regret it, but we're going

893
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,440
to do our best.

894
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,639
Speaker 2: Deeply regret it. I mean, for those of your audience

895
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:36,480
who aren't familiar college game days of famous ESPN show

896
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,400
that they do before college football games, or they have

897
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,079
a big desk in front of a crowd in front

898
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,239
of the stadium of the week, game of the week.

899
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: We big sec girls here. Yeah, yeah, you know exactly.

900
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: I mean literally camp out in the sweet territory. But

901
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,800
but what this is is like a first of its

902
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,519
kind in politics where you use the energy and the

903
00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,280
interest in a younger generation to help amplify the event

904
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,559
a little bit and you have some fun. And it's

905
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,320
not gonna be like four dudes up with like the

906
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,440
third tier surrogate of each campaign be like, well, what

907
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,400
does the governor need to do tonight? You know, I mean,

908
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,440
we're going to be having fun, and we're gonna be

909
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,239
telling jokes, and we're going to be doing a little analysis,

910
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,920
but more than anything, we're going to try to get

911
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,880
people really into it.

912
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to be it's it's the official pregame

913
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,599
show for the debate. There's gonna be a massive crowd

914
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,440
behind us. Uh, the logistics are getting finalists, but it

915
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000
should really just be a massive party. That's what the

916
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,639
goal is, celebrating that, like the time has come to

917
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:36,800
get rid of Joe Biden.

918
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,159
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great.

919
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and where and where is it going to be live?

920
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,199
Where are you guys going to be so to be.

921
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,159
Speaker 7: On rumble, we'll be We'll be right outside of the

922
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,599
venue in Milwaukee. So just st step from the front

923
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,760
steps from the front door going into the debate, and

924
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,719
people who are going into the debate are going to

925
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,280
be behind us with signs and everything and fun.

926
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: It is going to be a babing on you guys.

927
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 7: And I mean there's so much stuffy coverage of politics,

928
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,760
and everybody is kind of like comes at this from

929
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,159
a background of being a nerd who was their lunch

930
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,519
money was taken from them every day and they lived

931
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:14,199
in a locker in high school. And what we tried,

932
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,880
what we're trying to do is bring this into normal

933
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,320
people culture where it's like a little bit more like

934
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,519
the regular types.

935
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,199
Speaker 2: In your eyes, their discussion of politics is all like

936
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,800
a vindictive revenge on their childhood.

937
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,639
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, And if you can you know what.

938
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 5: I was just going to say.

939
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,199
Speaker 1: We have been talking about culture and just the bravo

940
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,320
to the R and C for doing this, because we've

941
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,679
been talking about culture and politics literally for fourteen years

942
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,960
since we started this, and so the fact that they

943
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,039
did this and they engage you guys to do this

944
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:50,920
that night is just such a fantastic It's just a

945
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,880
win for them. It's a total win for us, it's

946
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,039
a win for conservatism. So bravo to them for doing this,

947
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:57,119
and bravo to y'all.

948
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. Thanks for the kind words. You guys

949
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,760
have been a big part of that revolutionary change and

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looking at politics and a little different, little lighter side.

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Speaker 6: Very necessary change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just there's not a lot of us

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out there, so it's nice. It's nice to stick together.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we appreciate you being on with us today,

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So looking forward to just continued appearances on each other's programs.

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Guys are a blast, and it's it's always great to

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talk to you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks so much, absolutely,