Speaker 1: Can I get out.
Speaker 2: For what's going down in Massachusetts tonight? Because they tried
Speaker 2: to run and put a quick one by Tim Brado,
Speaker 2: Mark Bedrow and turn Boy and guess what it ain't
Speaker 2: gonna happen, Captain.
Speaker 3: That's what we got to say. So, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Boston Bea uh was able to hear this today. By
Speaker 3: the way, welcoming back to Calling All Beings, our special
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Speaker 1: And I'm Boston Bea your co host.
Speaker 3: Can I get it am from somebody? All right?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Is she here? Is the official the official attorney of
Speaker 3: satisfying that's a good adjective, valve. The official attorney of
Speaker 3: Calling All Beings is here? And oh, we're ready to
Speaker 3: have an intro song here in the second who with
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Speaker 5: So let's let's get the damn thing going. Let's do
Speaker 5: this thing.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 6: You sit, but you know in the line when you're
Speaker 6: making the sit, you got to know, put my head
Speaker 6: off sensing the show to my when it what's it for? Last?
Speaker 6: You gotta stand.
Speaker 2: Listen there, we got That's what I'm talking about right there.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the Private Eye party. People, put your
Speaker 2: hands together. None other than Miss Lauren Kaden.
Speaker 3: How about that? Did you expect to hear Hollow Notes tonight? Lauren?
Speaker 7: Who knows? What's this guy?
Speaker 3: Right? Did you know that song from them? Yes? Of
Speaker 3: course you did.
Speaker 4: I couldn't hear because my WiFi was going in and out.
Speaker 4: So it's actually just texting BA because I was like,
Speaker 4: oh you can see me back her or not?
Speaker 7: So I couldn't.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we saw you. It was we played Private
Speaker 3: Eyes from uh Private Eyes from Hollow Notes for you.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, absolutely, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, cool, I'm men. I was like, man, total fails.
Speaker 3: She didn't like it anyway, welcome back to call beans, uh,
Speaker 3: miss Lauren, Katie and boy I got to catch up
Speaker 3: on the way well at the gym and on the
Speaker 3: way from the gym by listening to our good friend
Speaker 3: brother Counsel who's an amazing attorney. So please, uh you know,
Speaker 3: kick us off you and b A, let's kick us
Speaker 3: off here and then I'll you know, I'll get into
Speaker 3: it as I do.
Speaker 1: Sounds good, Well, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 8: I know it was last minute, but I saw your
Speaker 8: post on X and I'm like, I have to reach
Speaker 8: out this. I just felt like all the stars stars
Speaker 8: were going to outline. What did you think about the
Speaker 8: you know, today's hearing about unim poundtown that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: I mean, what a like roller coaster of emotions, right,
Speaker 4: like we thought things were gonna happen and then absolutely
Speaker 4: nothing happened. And then I was frustrated because I'm like,
Speaker 4: is the judge even understanding what's going on?
Speaker 7: Or is this going over his head? I mean, it
Speaker 7: was a mess.
Speaker 4: And then I just thinking about all these cases, right
Speaker 4: I care and read and then we have all of
Speaker 4: the other one miles King, all of these cases that
Speaker 4: are connected to these same individuals, and they're all sitting
Speaker 4: on information and discovery that they haven't turned over and
Speaker 4: the judge is That's what it's frustrating me the most
Speaker 4: is all of these judges that.
Speaker 7: Are on these cases.
Speaker 4: Like this is not okay, Like there are repercussions for
Speaker 4: this and it's all we do is ask them, well,
Speaker 4: do you feel like you've you know, satisfied your roll fourteen?
Speaker 7: Of course they're gonna say yes.
Speaker 4: Right, and so then nothing happens. So, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: like a simple analogy with like a child. You know,
Speaker 4: you have a kid and the parent doesn't straighten out
Speaker 4: a certain action that the child's doing when they're young.
Speaker 7: They just keep doing it and it progressively gets worse.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what's going on in Norfolk County is
Speaker 4: that you have all these judges or parents that have
Speaker 4: never straightened out their children, and so they're sitting on
Speaker 4: the bench and they're letting these commonwealth just get away
Speaker 4: with everything and never having any accountability for them doing well.
Speaker 4: Just in this instance the discovery, like that's a huge
Speaker 4: violation and they should be sanctioned period. And they've been
Speaker 4: getting away with it for years, so of course they're
Speaker 4: going to continue to do this. And this is what
Speaker 4: you have with Aiden's case, them not turning over things
Speaker 4: and they got more information just last night, yeah than
Speaker 4: even yeah exactly, Yeah I did too, I did too.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It does seem to get it, don't you feel like
Speaker 8: judge Doolan seems to get it.
Speaker 1: I mean just his laughter and like little outbursts today.
Speaker 8: I thought that was like a good sign for Aiden
Speaker 8: because I think he's seen through the BS.
Speaker 7: I think he does too.
Speaker 4: But then again, just like Scott said, I thought that
Speaker 4: he would do more today, at least say hey, give him.
Speaker 7: The stuff and no, we're not gonna, like, you know,
Speaker 7: if this stuff is.
Speaker 4: Out in the open and been produced by Foya, we're gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna release everything Like that's silly, that's
Speaker 4: absolutely silly. So then I you know, I'm like, is
Speaker 4: he being what the strings being pulled behind the scenes?
Speaker 7: I don't know, but I do like dueling. I think
Speaker 7: he does.
Speaker 4: Think it's ridiculous really, but I don't Again, who's controlling him?
Speaker 4: And somebody's got to set the precedent though, Like someone
Speaker 4: has to stand up and be like, okay, look, you
Speaker 4: can't hide discovery.
Speaker 7: This is not okay. But I don't know if it's
Speaker 7: gonna be doling because I think the metadata thing just
Speaker 7: went over his head. So I don't know, but I
Speaker 7: was irritated, Like.
Speaker 4: All of these defendants deserve more. Some of them seem
Speaker 4: like they could be guilty, but at the very least
Speaker 4: they deserve to have discovery and all of their rights preserved.
Speaker 7: And so, you know, and then you.
Speaker 4: Have people like Aiden who he's literally facing one hundred
Speaker 4: and five years.
Speaker 7: That's insane, That is Chad.
Speaker 3: Brought up today. Actually sure, and so that this is
Speaker 3: so ironically, this is ironic that Lauren went exactly where
Speaker 3: I wanted to go after listening to brother counsel exactly. It.
Speaker 3: So the term discovery implies and that you have discovered something,
Speaker 3: and oh my god, we've discovered evidence. We have a
Speaker 3: we have a requirement to turn that over, an obligation,
Speaker 3: I guess they say in llegal ease to turn that
Speaker 3: over to the defense, because there are constitutional protections afforded
Speaker 3: the defendant that are not afforded the state. And we
Speaker 3: have just seen what the weight of the state can
Speaker 3: do when it wants to. You know, they were able
Speaker 3: to conjure nearly a million dollars or perhaps over a
Speaker 3: million dollars. Well it's certainly over a million dollars when
Speaker 3: you consider everything, but just in paying the attorney and
Speaker 3: one of the expert witnesses was you know, was nine
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars just that. So I'm very, very concerned
Speaker 3: that not only is there a slippery slope relative to
Speaker 3: the First Amendment and his right to say what he
Speaker 3: wants to say and attack people if he wants to
Speaker 3: attack people, but there's also a problem with they're not
Speaker 3: seeing that people are not being afforded the right to
Speaker 3: defend themselves. And that is what I find problematic. He
Speaker 3: has to be able and how can he defend himself
Speaker 3: when you're pretending like we're all dummies and we can't
Speaker 3: figure out that all of a sudden, four thousand pages
Speaker 3: materialized last night when Betero is sitting there with the
Speaker 3: cup of decalf, you know, and watching some preview of
Speaker 3: the NFL season. Yeah, I mean, are we do you
Speaker 3: think that we think that you just discovered that yesterday? Right?
Speaker 3: Discovery back to that that we're discovery, We're not, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna dump this on this guy and his attorneys
Speaker 3: the night before. How is he supposed to defend himself?
Speaker 8: And just to back up on that, the so last
Speaker 8: night's discovery dump was a result of the last hearing
Speaker 8: there being a discovery dump the morning of the hearing,
Speaker 8: and then to find out they were missing a ton
Speaker 8: of there was a ton of miss not I don't
Speaker 8: want to say missing. There were a ton of redacted
Speaker 8: pages and blank pages in that four forty seven hundred dump.
Speaker 8: So now last night, again before the hearing, they dump
Speaker 8: more information on them, the same information they should have
Speaker 8: had before the last hearing that they didn't. So it's
Speaker 8: like this little game that they keep playing is and
Speaker 8: not just in Turtle Boy's case, even in the Walsh case,
Speaker 8: the King case. They keep dumping all this discovery to
Speaker 8: overwhelm the defense attorneys and they don't have the time.
Speaker 8: So then they show up to court and they say,
Speaker 8: but I gave it to them. It's like, yeah, but
Speaker 8: you haven't given us time to look through everything. And
Speaker 8: it's literally just to shut the like, shut everybody up
Speaker 8: as they're doing the hearing, and then they still have
Speaker 8: to dit digest everything.
Speaker 3: So and that's an insult to our intelligence, Yes it is,
Speaker 3: because it feigns propriety, it feigns propride. We've hey, we've
Speaker 3: been our obligate, we've done the right thing. See, and
Speaker 3: like we're all dumb and we can't figure out what
Speaker 3: you're doing. We're not that smart. We don't get it. What,
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's so awesome. He turned it over last night. Great.
Speaker 3: I mean they should be able to come in and
Speaker 3: speak to all four thousand pages.
Speaker 7: But the thing is that the discovery has to be
Speaker 7: turned over in a timely manner.
Speaker 1: And so that's the thing.
Speaker 4: These cases like Aiden's case, what has it been going
Speaker 4: on for two years now? That's ridiculous, Miles King almost
Speaker 4: four years? That is not acceptable. Where are the sanctions,
Speaker 4: where are.
Speaker 9: The real Yeah, yeah, I mean it's maddening, like and
Speaker 9: you know, I get it small towns.
Speaker 4: Sometimes this corruption happens. Massachusetts has like a name, you know,
Speaker 4: a name for corruption and all of that. But usually
Speaker 4: when you have the eyes of the world on you,
Speaker 4: you're gonna trial to do a little bit better. And
Speaker 4: this is not happening. No judge is standing up and
Speaker 4: saying it's not okay.
Speaker 3: The justice system is in periled here, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: the justice system is in periled because you are going
Speaker 3: to embolden the prosecutor's office. They're gonna spend another two
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars on top of this. Other guys, and
Speaker 3: and relative to what Scott said here, I want to
Speaker 3: highlight what Scott says with former Judge Cross. Former Judge
Speaker 3: Cosgrove takes offense at the Commonwealth uh being disparaged by
Speaker 3: the likes of Turtle Boy. How dare he not only that?
Speaker 3: What I find problematic is he's a judge. He's supposed
Speaker 3: to know that you're protecting the right of the defendant.
Speaker 3: You're not just a zelot. You're not supposed to be
Speaker 3: a zelot, which is what okay, Mark Betero is supposed
Speaker 3: to be a zealot, right and Tim Bradle is supposed
Speaker 3: to be a zealot. That's what a defense attorney does.
Speaker 3: He could be guilty of murder, and they know he's guilty,
Speaker 3: but he is defending their right to deny this guy
Speaker 3: of his right because they don't like what he says,
Speaker 3: and that you're you're fine with not liking what he says,
Speaker 3: but you can't do this. You were going to embold
Speaker 3: him to do it to somebody else.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and they're going to continue to do it, just
Speaker 4: like you're saying, and they're going to get more braves
Speaker 4: than all that. But he's a prosecutor in this case.
Speaker 4: He's not a defense attorney, Cosgrove, He's not a judge.
Speaker 4: He's supposed to wear the white hat and he's not,
Speaker 4: just like Hank Brennan wasn't and he was slimy and
Speaker 4: he's dirty.
Speaker 7: And this is exactly how Cosgrove is coming across. You know.
Speaker 4: It's disgusting. And here's my thing too. They went out
Speaker 4: and they hired two special prosecutors for these cases, knowing
Speaker 4: that they had fine people who could try a case,
Speaker 4: that they were already getting paid, and they went out
Speaker 4: and they seek them out. Well they did too. They
Speaker 4: did Karen's and now Aiden's case. Okay, so they should
Speaker 4: not be their main concern. They went out and got
Speaker 4: this special prosecutor to prosecute the case. Kissed or get
Speaker 4: off the pod? Where is a trial? Why is this
Speaker 4: keeping going up? This is insane, Like either try the man,
Speaker 4: give him what he needs to actually try a case,
Speaker 4: or drop the charges.
Speaker 7: This is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: They're continuing to pay this man out of the taxpayer's
Speaker 4: dollars up there for something that they're using the justice
Speaker 4: system as a complete joke.
Speaker 7: It's absurd.
Speaker 3: And so what I mean, what can we you know,
Speaker 3: what can we infer from this? Because we did make
Speaker 3: an inference in the Karen Reid case, and I'd like
Speaker 3: to get y'all's take, starting with you being then going
Speaker 3: to Lauren. I think they're trying to drain him of
Speaker 3: his resources. They're like, if we keep making motions and
Speaker 3: then we're going to make him take another motion to
Speaker 3: for an evidential hearing. What a brother counsel said, They
Speaker 3: can just keep drawing, drawing on his resources and challenging
Speaker 3: the you know how much he can make on YouTube
Speaker 3: to pay multiple attorneys and keep coming to trial. What
Speaker 3: do you think do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I mean they just keep kicking the can down the road. Now,
Speaker 8: so today is August thirteenth, Now the follow up to
Speaker 8: this hearing is September twenty fourth. Like they just keep
Speaker 8: pushing it off, and it's like, you know, some of
Speaker 8: the motions today or some of the everything, the things
Speaker 8: that were being argued is, oh, i'll take it under advisement,
Speaker 8: So is it really gonna And it didn't seem like
Speaker 8: the judge was taking notes either, So I don't know how.
Speaker 8: I kept thinking to myself, well, how is he gonna
Speaker 8: remember everything he just said? Hopefully somebody was writing it
Speaker 8: down because he was too busy chuckling, and you know
Speaker 8: putting his arms up like, you know, he looked like
Speaker 8: he was just.
Speaker 1: Having a good old time.
Speaker 7: He did entertainment these murder.
Speaker 4: Cases all day. He's like, Oh, finally he's an entertainment.
Speaker 4: But it's on you know, it's in Aiden's expense.
Speaker 7: It's not okay.
Speaker 3: Do you think do you feel like this there's a
Speaker 3: tactic that's going on here that you see Lauren.
Speaker 4: I think that that's probably part of it. But honestly,
Speaker 4: I was thinking about that today. I think they are
Speaker 4: so used to doing whatever they have to do to
Speaker 4: bring charges against people, and their main concern was getting
Speaker 4: Aiden off of YouTube and getting him behind bars putting
Speaker 4: charges against him, and I don't think they thought everything through. Clearly,
Speaker 4: their evidence against Aiden is dirty and it's not something
Speaker 4: that's going to hold up in court. And so now
Speaker 4: they're actually having to produce this stuff and they don't
Speaker 4: have it, and they know that it's going to get
Speaker 4: kicked back. And so I think that that is where
Speaker 4: they're trying to like hide things. That's why they don't
Speaker 4: want anything unsealed. They don't want to give it over
Speaker 4: because all of that proves that he was set up
Speaker 4: up for all the charge. So I think they didn't
Speaker 4: think it through and now they're trying to cover it up.
Speaker 4: Not you know, in this case, they're not planning tail light,
Speaker 4: but they're trying to hide evidence because it's what they
Speaker 4: can do.
Speaker 7: So I think it has a little bit to do
Speaker 7: with both.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I mean it would it would seem
Speaker 3: so yeah, I think they want to play around with
Speaker 3: whole drain a his resources and use a tactic that
Speaker 3: they can use because, like you said, they don't have
Speaker 3: a tail light that they can go and sprinkle on
Speaker 3: the lawn. And boy, you know, my co host here
Speaker 3: came up with a really good one that Procter had
Speaker 3: a very specific tactic weight behind. Don't go to the
Speaker 3: scene because if you go to the scene, you're going
Speaker 3: to have to report on what you saw at the scene.
Speaker 3: So don't go there. Wait until the late afternoon evening
Speaker 3: to even go visit the scene because you'd find tail
Speaker 3: light and we've got to wait to plant the tail
Speaker 3: light there before we go there, which is brilliant. I
Speaker 3: can't believe that. But I've some things here in the
Speaker 3: chat that I want to highlight because we have the
Speaker 3: official attorney of calling all beings Valhalla law bal My
Speaker 3: question to you, based on your comment here, have you
Speaker 3: argued against somebody or felt when you were trying cases
Speaker 3: that are defending defendants? Do you feel like you were
Speaker 3: put under the gun like this, like you were being denied,
Speaker 3: like the Commonwealth was prosecution was playing games, and that
Speaker 3: the judge was, to one degree or another, playing along
Speaker 3: with it. I have that question if you could put
Speaker 3: that in the chat and we'll put that up there
Speaker 3: for you, and if you want to call in, I
Speaker 3: think I can get you in here as well. Right now,
Speaker 3: I don't have my earbud case, so I have a
Speaker 3: feeling that the earbuds could answer. But I'll try to
Speaker 3: connect the phone to the studio. Scott to get a
Speaker 3: said Cosgrove walked into court at one pm Eastern today.
Speaker 3: Just that is amazing. I'm under the belief that Cosgrove
Speaker 3: passed away on the judge's bench in the late seventy
Speaker 3: I can say, is this, Scott. The hip replacement should
Speaker 3: be imminent. I've had a hip replacement, Cosgrove. I really
Speaker 3: recommend that you go and get that hip replacement. You're
Speaker 3: gonna walk better, You're gonna feel better. Yes, sure, certain
Speaker 3: weather will bother you. But but yes, I agree it is.
Speaker 3: It is shocking, to say the least. And Val says,
Speaker 3: I think trying to make TV broke is a motivation,
Speaker 3: but it is secondary. The primary voter motivation is to
Speaker 3: prevent the evidence of the Commonwealth and MSP. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a you know what that is. That's it right there,
Speaker 3: That's right, that's it right there. Val. He So now
Speaker 3: I think, and this is going back to what Lauren
Speaker 3: just said. What Lauren was saying is basically he equated
Speaker 3: Cosgrove and Brennan in a in a scuzzy way, which
Speaker 3: they both are. But in this instance he is now
Speaker 3: the defense attorney for the Commonwealth who is secondarily trying
Speaker 3: to prosecute Aiden. But really he's trying to keep there
Speaker 3: must don't keep this stuff from coming out. Argue your
Speaker 3: ass off so that this stuff does not get released
Speaker 3: in open court because we'll look terrible. Gotta be his
Speaker 3: marching orders. And I'll shut up now.
Speaker 1: Well Brady had a oh sorry, go ahead, Oh that's it.
Speaker 7: I was just agreeing, absolutely, that's right.
Speaker 3: Rachel, yep with uh because Kate falsified the uh was it?
Speaker 3: What with the descriptions? Do they mean the descriptions of
Speaker 3: the YouTube shows.
Speaker 8: Yes, they mean for instance, yes, I I so she
Speaker 8: so let me see, like for instance, I wrote the okay,
Speaker 8: so episode seven five was in regards to you know,
Speaker 8: corruption with the Commonwealth, but the it was actually they
Speaker 8: called it Costgrove gets frisky like, so they they renamed
Speaker 8: different information so that the grand with the grand jury,
Speaker 8: and there was one in regards to Colin Albert and
Speaker 8: you know, but again they didn't match up to what
Speaker 8: the episodes were.
Speaker 1: And then the links. So here's the other problem.
Speaker 8: A lot of the links that they have with attachments
Speaker 8: and files, like Bradle said today, files that can't be
Speaker 8: opened short of Bill Gates because they're including attachments that
Speaker 8: you can't access there.
Speaker 1: No, they don't exist.
Speaker 3: We did what yeah was what it was attached to.
Speaker 3: There's a link there, but there's no file associated with
Speaker 3: the link.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They're trying to play games. They're trying to play games,
Speaker 3: and they're trying to deny this guy the ability to
Speaker 3: defend himself, which is with everything that is would inculpate them.
Speaker 8: Right, so they're using false information to that got him indicted.
Speaker 8: So of course to the grand jurors it's going to
Speaker 8: look like in was up to no good going literally
Speaker 8: going after these people, when all he was is just
Speaker 8: you know, again being a journalist, being a satirist, and
Speaker 8: you know, speaking on what, you know, the outrage of
Speaker 8: the Karen Reid trial, because ultimately that's what this you know,
Speaker 8: his issue is was, is you know he was outraged
Speaker 8: about Karen Reid.
Speaker 3: Well he is going, I'm sorry, go ahead, man, good No,
Speaker 3: I just think that's miscommic.
Speaker 7: They can't present false information to the grand jury.
Speaker 4: And also Kate Peter can't falsify evidence that's tampering with videns.
Speaker 7: You can't do that. None of that works. That's gonna
Speaker 7: get thrown out. But if that's what they did to.
Speaker 4: Get him indicted, his whole indictment is going to be
Speaker 4: thrown out. So I think once they get information that
Speaker 4: they're wanting, all of that is going to come to
Speaker 4: light and it's gonna they're gonna be screwed. So they're
Speaker 4: doing whatever they can to hide the ball and hide
Speaker 4: it from them so that they can continue this absolute
Speaker 4: like persecution. You know that it's absurd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is What is interesting though, is you have
Speaker 3: two of the most devious women. I wish we could
Speaker 3: lock them. I wish we could like put them on
Speaker 3: in a cell block together where they would be vine
Speaker 3: for who's going to be the shock caller? Kate and Jen?
Speaker 3: Because she I said this to I talked to Sean
Speaker 3: McDonough yesterday and I said, she is the smartest one
Speaker 3: of all of us. And why because Tolly didn't think
Speaker 3: of this. You know, Cosgrove didn't think of this. He
Speaker 3: thought of this. He thought to do this and to
Speaker 3: lie and to he is going and be a He
Speaker 3: is going after those people. But that's okay. He can
Speaker 3: go after those people. The problem is that when you
Speaker 3: lie and you characterize him in a different way, maybe
Speaker 3: even in a Rated R kind of a way or
Speaker 3: Rated X kind of a way, because that implicate Cosgrove
Speaker 3: gets it's frisky, you know, their implications like some sort
Speaker 3: of a porn film there, right, and that that is
Speaker 3: is lying and misrepresenting evidence to the jury. And I'm
Speaker 3: sure there are laws associated with that that that's not legal,
Speaker 3: but they did it just like planting evidence, and.
Speaker 4: They didn't find out about it until this latest thing.
Speaker 4: So all of this is being hidden and it's it's
Speaker 4: mind blowing. It's disgusting. It's not how our system works.
Speaker 4: You know, he's going up one hundred and five years.
Speaker 4: Like most murderers don't get that type of time.
Speaker 3: This wouldn't have got that. It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we in fact, yeah, I mean, I don't know. We
Speaker 3: talked to a guy, Nathaniel Brown. I think he has
Speaker 3: a life sentence. I can't I can't recall and I
Speaker 3: don't know if that was first or second degree murder
Speaker 3: that he was convicted of. His conviction was overturned though.
Speaker 3: Also he was arrested by Lieutenant Tully, believe it or not.
Speaker 3: And now he's going to get into trial in September,
Speaker 3: thank god. And we'll see, we'll see. We don't. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't say that. I know he's innocent, but uh
Speaker 3: he it was the I guess what was it? Inadequate representation?
Speaker 1: Yes, so his effective assistance of counsel.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you. Lloyd didn't do good job, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm telling you. See it, she didn't do for good
Speaker 3: freaking job got.
Speaker 1: Rid of and how yeah go ahead, no, no, go ahead?
Speaker 4: How about uh the information that we just found out
Speaker 4: that Karen Reid didn't even have certain certain text messages from.
Speaker 8: Yes Ni came Yes Ali and Jen mccab that she
Speaker 8: claims that they allowed her to delete before they took
Speaker 8: her phone. And now Aiden last night was given information
Speaker 8: regarding those those text messages and Karen didn't even know.
Speaker 1: He said, I talked to Karen this morning. She didn't
Speaker 1: even have these, So you.
Speaker 3: Know, these kept bringing it because I'm only just tangentially
Speaker 3: where tell me about these texts and what it means
Speaker 3: and who who texted who? And I know Jen was
Speaker 3: allowed to and she said, oh, my kids telling me
Speaker 3: to clean out my phone. That bulls where every time
Speaker 3: she gets in trouble she says, my kids, right.
Speaker 1: Because normal moms do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Right as they're waiting for the ice cream truck, Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, with the vacuum cleaner salesman in the driveway, right.
Speaker 8: And then you don't give them your name, and you
Speaker 8: don't make up a name, you give them your sister's.
Speaker 3: And yah, everybody does that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still in the family. No, So he just alluded
Speaker 1: to the fact while he was.
Speaker 8: On he went live on Melanie's channel on the way home,
Speaker 8: and all he said was that basically he had gotten
Speaker 8: hold of these text messages that were in last night's
Speaker 8: dumb that were between Jen McCabe and Ally McCabe, but
Speaker 8: they were supposed to have been deleted before she turned
Speaker 8: her phone over, So I don't know if they didn't
Speaker 8: fully delete, I don't know how.
Speaker 3: Yeah, soccer mom, Yeah right, you know what. You gave
Speaker 3: soccer a bit. You gave soccer a bad name.
Speaker 4: Jen.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't if I had a child right now, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want them to play soccer just because of you.
Speaker 3: I'd ask them to pick a different sport.
Speaker 4: Yes, obviously they were able to pull these deleted messages
Speaker 4: up and didn't produce them to Karen's defense team. So
Speaker 4: again hiding discovery, cherry picking what you want to give,
Speaker 4: and that's not.
Speaker 7: How it works, and no one for it. That's not
Speaker 7: the thing. We have no idea. I will die on
Speaker 7: this on this hill.
Speaker 4: We have no idea what really there was that we
Speaker 4: didn't see in the Karen Ree trial. Same with Aiden.
Speaker 4: They get all the information last night. I would bet
Speaker 4: money on it.
Speaker 7: They are hiding so many things.
Speaker 4: It's disgusting and again the judges, the judges need to
Speaker 4: step it up.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Not only that that what that text message jump that
Speaker 3: you're referring to, I mean, I would assume that right now,
Speaker 3: Alan Jackson and you know, Eliza Little, this is an
Speaker 3: additional cause of action, a nineteen eighty three cause of
Speaker 3: action that they're going to add to their suit. They're like,
Speaker 3: they hid a discovery from us.
Speaker 4: Absolutely it's a gift now because of that, but it
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been a gift had she, you know, been convicted.
Speaker 4: So absolutely that's gonna that's going to be a huge,
Speaker 4: a huge issue for them to bring up.
Speaker 8: And then time and time again, there's no accountability for
Speaker 8: the prosecutors who are bringing these cases. There's no accountability
Speaker 8: and just keep getting away with it and it's like
Speaker 8: no big deal. They just get up and they're not
Speaker 8: like even I don't want to say remorseful because that's
Speaker 8: probably not the right word, but like they there's just like,
Speaker 8: oh it just it is what it is type of attitude,
Speaker 8: and there's no accountability. They're not being sanctioned, and they
Speaker 8: just you know, hey, we'll give it to you when
Speaker 8: we give it to you type of thing. And there's
Speaker 8: no urgency and that's why they're saying, you know, the
Speaker 8: saying like the wheels of justice turned slowly because hey,
Speaker 8: we're just know, we're working on it, like hey, we'll
Speaker 8: meet in a month. Like again, no accountability, none, absolutely none,
Speaker 8: And it's not going to change because the judges are
Speaker 8: not requiring them to go buy the actual laws.
Speaker 7: I mean, they're there for a reason, so why would
Speaker 7: they produce it?
Speaker 4: It's you know, in a normal case, it's going to
Speaker 4: be more work for them to do it in a
Speaker 4: timely manner.
Speaker 7: But if they've been used to doing this for thirty years,
Speaker 7: they're not worried about it.
Speaker 4: Judges are going to do anything, So why would we,
Speaker 4: you know, stay up late and get discovery ready forget.
Speaker 3: One of the things that they didn't go after in
Speaker 3: trial that still kind of bugs me is we had
Speaker 3: on a young lady from Connecticut who goes by video
Speaker 3: Jesus named Abby, and she's an expert, and I mean
Speaker 3: she could tell you more about file types than I
Speaker 3: can comprehend. Like that, that's the level of depth. And
Speaker 3: the fact that they didn't get a unedited version of
Speaker 3: that sally Port video that it was manipulated, even an
Speaker 3: original unedited version, which she said because she went out
Speaker 3: and bought those cameras in that system so she could
Speaker 3: see what the file types are, and they never got that,
Speaker 3: and they they didn't argue at a trial, but they
Speaker 3: denied Karen an original unedited copy front to back of
Speaker 3: when that car came in there and when that car left,
Speaker 3: and obviously they fucking deleted the part where they smashed
Speaker 3: the tail light.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, it's that that's the This place is
Speaker 4: so dirty, like it almost seems to be burnt to
Speaker 4: the ground and start started over like it's horrible. And
Speaker 4: I mean for the judge to not again with the
Speaker 4: metadata all of that, they she didn't care.
Speaker 7: So I mean.
Speaker 3: Concerns, right, yes, that right, No grave concerns, only that
Speaker 3: Alan Jackson had a freaking signal call or signal messages
Speaker 3: with doctor Renschler or something.
Speaker 8: No, no, it was dimples at.
Speaker 3: Whatever, any either one of them, either one of them,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. It could have been any one of
Speaker 3: the witnesses. Like that's a big deal. Hing is is
Speaker 3: that it It's that she was outraged about that, not
Speaker 3: outraged that the video was reversed to make it look
Speaker 3: like they were standing behind the opposite tail light.
Speaker 8: And when you alreadys said, is this a true inaccurate
Speaker 8: representation with the potentially the plow driver getting out of
Speaker 8: the what should have been the driver's side, but it
Speaker 8: was actually or it looked like it was the passenger
Speaker 8: side where it should have been the driver's side.
Speaker 1: Again, he said, yes, that is a true representation.
Speaker 8: It took till the next day, till the defense you know,
Speaker 8: pointed it out that he goes, well, it's just a mirror,
Speaker 8: Like you look at yourself in the mirror and try
Speaker 8: to make this whole excuse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, Like when I look at myself in
Speaker 3: the mirror, as it turns out, I don't see that
Speaker 3: the leg that the knee that I just had replaced,
Speaker 3: It turns out it's not the right need to the
Speaker 3: left knee. So I think he's missing the primary part.
Speaker 3: As for Canton talking about it being a small town,
Speaker 3: it is a town of just under twenty five thousand.
Speaker 3: The median income there average income is one hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy just under one hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars
Speaker 3: a year. I'm gonna tell you what, and it touches Boston,
Speaker 3: is what I'm told. No, I mean, this is not
Speaker 3: you know, this is not like the small town I
Speaker 3: come from. I mean, for sure it's it's not, but
Speaker 3: they act like it is. They act like this is Philadelphia, Mississippi.
Speaker 3: It's nineteen sixty four. The three civil rights workers just
Speaker 3: came in there, and we're gonna kill him and we're
Speaker 3: gonna bury him on some farms. Say, don't know what
Speaker 3: happened in them Silver Riots boys. That's what they're acting like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the good old boys system.
Speaker 3: Yep, you operate there. Yeah, this is this is Uh,
Speaker 3: let me see what is this? Noodle's Mama, good evening
Speaker 3: djb A Lauren and chat, watching TV on Chromebook and
Speaker 3: watching Well, thank you very very much. I forgot Yeah
Speaker 3: you are, thank you very much, Noodle's mama. I think
Speaker 3: I knew that TV was on, and I know Mike
Speaker 3: was on earlier. Also, I don't know if Mike is
Speaker 3: still on with the young jerks. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: he's gonna suck up all the resauces. But uh, as
Speaker 3: it is. You know, he's got a hundred and I
Speaker 3: don't know he's got one hundred and fifty thousand. I
Speaker 3: don't know many A little over that.
Speaker 1: I think it was closer to one fifty five.
Speaker 3: Nice, well done. Also Cobb Cosco she's trying to shift
Speaker 3: his discovery burdens to the defense. Yeah, I know exactly,
Speaker 3: I know, like he did with the with the thumb drive.
Speaker 3: Nice try the thumb drive that you already have a
Speaker 3: forensic copy of. Okay, got it? And they make from lma,
Speaker 3: he should be asleep, broid. Now it's my light over there.
Speaker 3: Well two o'clock in the moon and thereabouts. Anyway, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: go ahead, please.
Speaker 4: I love how the judge basically just ignored the whole
Speaker 4: mellow situation and.
Speaker 7: Like, aylbol, is he healthy? Is he dead? We don't know,
Speaker 7: and he's just like and didn't even ask Costcrow.
Speaker 3: Oh because he yeah, because there they were supposed to
Speaker 3: remove him as counsels because they want to call him
Speaker 3: as a witness. So he didn't rule on that either. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I don't have a lot of faith in Douelin.
Speaker 3: I really don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I have a good feeling about Doolan, he I don't know,
Speaker 8: just since I've seen him the last couple of times,
Speaker 8: I definitely get a like I feel like he gets
Speaker 8: it and just his I mean, he literally laughed a
Speaker 8: few times today, Like I can't tell you like I
Speaker 8: think he sees through it, and he does.
Speaker 1: I have to say he he is playing.
Speaker 8: Fair because he does give Bradle an opportunity to speak
Speaker 8: on everything. He's not just you know, unlike Auntie Bev.
Speaker 8: This was it's just a different demeanor with Doolan, I think,
Speaker 8: And he's definitely getting it. He's also the one that
Speaker 8: dismissed those those other you know what do you forget
Speaker 8: the verbiage, but he's the one that he's the one
Speaker 8: that dismissed some of the charge the charges or the
Speaker 8: indictments or no, just.
Speaker 7: Part of that because.
Speaker 1: They were witness intimidation. Yeah, so he was responsible for that.
Speaker 1: So I do think he gets it.
Speaker 8: And I don't know, I have a good feeling about him,
Speaker 8: you know again, just based on his attitude today, and
Speaker 8: I don't know, I feel like I feel good about it.
Speaker 8: I think eventually this they're either going to drop this
Speaker 8: because of the embarrassment to the state or it's good
Speaker 8: they're going to file a motion to dismiss for this
Speaker 8: malicious prosecution and they're going to have to they're going
Speaker 8: to let him go, let.
Speaker 1: Them go free. Well, he is free. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, though, they can't Okay, they're not
Speaker 3: going to be embarrassed if he doesn't unimpound things. So
Speaker 3: one has to happen before the other happens. So he
Speaker 3: has to rule in their favor to embarrass them so
Speaker 3: that maybe they'll drop the charges or dismiss the charges.
Speaker 3: And if he doesn't do that, and he doesn't, for example,
Speaker 3: you know, say okay, you're allowed to call Ken Mellow
Speaker 3: as a witness, you know, things like that. If they don't,
Speaker 3: if he doesn't start ruling on these things, make them,
Speaker 3: you know, make them answer for the discovery violations that
Speaker 3: that they've made or you know that they have not made,
Speaker 3: because there I believe there's language in there, a better
Speaker 3: a good faith, you know, effort, and that's not good
Speaker 3: faith turning over four thousand pages overnight, Nor is it
Speaker 3: good faith to have four thousand blank pages which Attorney
Speaker 3: Cosgrove apparently said that he didn't see that. They well,
Speaker 3: if you didn't see it, then that means that's your
Speaker 3: mouth feastings. That means you suck as an attorney. And
Speaker 3: they're wasting the two hundred thousand dollars in addition to
Speaker 3: your two hundred thousand dollars retirement. They're wasting this other
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars because you're not looking at discovery.
Speaker 3: But we know you are, and we know you knew
Speaker 3: they were blank because as it turns out, we're not idiots,
Speaker 3: big surprise. We know what you're doing. It's just a
Speaker 3: matter if you're going to be held to account.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, totally prepared everything too, I feel like, and
Speaker 10: you know so, yeah, they just conveniently weren't.
Speaker 3: There either that or cages. They're paralegal. You know, she's
Speaker 3: probably like the smartest one in the whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: just think about put yourself in her shoes. Put yourself
Speaker 3: in her shoes for a second. You are gonna have
Speaker 3: the cajones, right, the mammary glands to go up to
Speaker 3: the prosecutor and and a detective lieutenant and tell them, hey,
Speaker 3: I think this is what you guys should do for
Speaker 3: the grand jury. That is devious, evil, genius.
Speaker 7: And why did she have the cohonas to do that?
Speaker 4: Because she knew morcy and she's not going to be
Speaker 4: charged with anything. So it's a double edged sword, like
Speaker 4: this is the whole thing is just the most corrupt
Speaker 4: thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 7: It really is.
Speaker 3: It's beyond anything. And if we don't get a judge
Speaker 3: that is going to follow the law, follow the law,
Speaker 3: then we're screwed. I mean they're screwed. I'd say we're screwed.
Speaker 3: I'm not screwed, and I don't live there. But people
Speaker 3: whose rights I care about, whether I know them personally
Speaker 3: or not, is it issue here?
Speaker 8: Yeah, And the way it was said today, Miss Peter
Speaker 8: repeatedly is providing attachments to the state troopers working on
Speaker 8: videos that were exhibits in the grand jury. Again, some
Speaker 8: of this information is coming from her that were used
Speaker 8: to indict him.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we're talking. Yeah, that's how brilliant she is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because she would have authored I don't think. I don't
Speaker 3: think cosgro Well, he wasn't even on I don't you know.
Speaker 3: Ken Mellow was the attorney at the time, But I
Speaker 3: don't think he thought, Hey, let's change the titles of
Speaker 3: here and make it sound more salacious so that the
Speaker 3: grand jury thinks this guy's an X rated pervert.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: How embarrassing is that for them? They have some random,
Speaker 4: random in their town doing the.
Speaker 7: Work for them.
Speaker 3: I mean, the problem it's not they're not embarrassed. That's
Speaker 3: the problem. They were embarrassed. They wouldn't do it. You
Speaker 3: have to first, you have to have the ability to
Speaker 3: feel shit, you you know, and to not feel shame.
Speaker 3: You must have some you know my Dean college, you know,
Speaker 3: psychology class, some measure of sociopathy, to not feel any
Speaker 3: shame about any of this, about going up and like
Speaker 3: Urian presenting a video and saying, yes, this is true
Speaker 3: and accurate description as she just said, and then go ah,
Speaker 3: well it's like that, but it's a mirror and then
Speaker 3: just pivot on a one to eighty. Doesn't care anything
Speaker 3: about do you swear child truths? Hold truth? Not truth?
Speaker 3: So help you god, I do? Does it not shamed
Speaker 3: at all? Or Katie or Jen? I didn't know they
Speaker 3: were FBI agents. They look like salesmen. There is I mean, Lauren,
Speaker 3: you've been around, I mean, you've worked out of Atlanta, Okay,
Speaker 3: you've got experience. Is there anyone that would mistake two
Speaker 3: gentlemen pulling up in your driveway in a government vehicle
Speaker 3: getting out with Blake? Would you mistake them for traveling
Speaker 3: salesmen or do you think you'd figure out that they're
Speaker 3: the FBI within let's say thirty seconds of them exiting
Speaker 3: the vehicle.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And we know she was on high alert because
Speaker 4: of what she did in like the ten minutes that
Speaker 4: she was, you know, asked to go brush her teeth,
Speaker 4: So she knew she was on high alert, and she knew.
Speaker 7: Exactly who they were. That's why she did what she did.
Speaker 7: And she can brush her teeth. I got nobody brushed
Speaker 7: their teeth in that ten minutes. She was too busy
Speaker 7: calling people.
Speaker 3: Yeah either, did you see her on the stand? Clearly
Speaker 3: there was yes, yeah, yeah. I Mean the thing is
Speaker 3: is they would have already identified themselves. They already established
Speaker 3: they first said she she had already said she was
Speaker 3: Nicole Albert. I'm sure she already then reidentified herself as
Speaker 3: Jennifer McCabe. Go, figure, I call myself Andrew all the
Speaker 3: time because my brother's names Andrew. When people go, hey,
Speaker 3: are you David, No, I'm Andrew. You know, I do
Speaker 3: it all the time. It just I don't know why
Speaker 3: I get scared. But but so they would have already
Speaker 3: identified themselves. She would have known who they were, so
Speaker 3: that was the first lie. The second lie was about
Speaker 3: the phone calls. But I think she is when she
Speaker 3: said she thought they were Electrolux vacuum cleaner salesmen, they
Speaker 3: would have already pulled out their badge and said we're
Speaker 3: with the FBI or you miss mckab yeah, or she
Speaker 3: would have.
Speaker 4: Said I'm not interested in what you're selling, and then
Speaker 4: they would have told her who they were, so it
Speaker 4: doesn't have I.
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, and that that there's the dead giveaways of
Speaker 3: the white license plate that say US Government on them.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a kind of a giveaway.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the embedded blue lights in the grill. Oh
Speaker 3: look at that. Yeah? About that.
Speaker 4: She's familiar with the police. She knows what vehicles look like.
Speaker 4: That are, you know, government vehicles.
Speaker 3: She knows, to say the least. But she thinks we're
Speaker 3: all so dumb that we're gonna believe her. And she's
Speaker 3: gonna look look at me. I just had a spri
Speaker 3: and my hair and I haven't eaten three days. You know,
Speaker 3: all I've had is those nutril shakes. I mean, she
Speaker 3: thinks we're all fucking idiot. That's what's so annoying is
Speaker 3: all these people think we're so stupid that we're gonna
Speaker 3: believe mellow, you know with that Oh my god, though
Speaker 3: that Harry looks like a game show host from the
Speaker 3: sixties Osgrove who needs a hip replacement. And I happen
Speaker 3: to know doctor fram uh Jen McCabe, The other girl says,
Speaker 3: I knew a girl named Caitlin Albert in high school.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people in high school. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't you can't make you can't even
Speaker 3: make this up. Now, what do you mean you knew
Speaker 3: somebody named Kate? You were just with her at a wedding,
Speaker 3: at a baby shower. Why not just tell us that
Speaker 3: I know her? Because then I would put more me
Speaker 3: who's free care and read one hundred percent, would put
Speaker 3: more credibility on her testimony. But she can't even tell
Speaker 3: the truth that she knows the girl. So how am
Speaker 3: I supposed to believe anything you say after that? Is
Speaker 3: a lie?
Speaker 7: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Right? Would you? Would you? Would you look at her
Speaker 3: differently if she if she respectfully said yes, I'm friends
Speaker 3: with Caitlin Albert, and yes we you know, we went
Speaker 3: to high school together, and we saw each other in college,
Speaker 3: and in fact I saw her at an event within
Speaker 3: the last year. That's acceptable. Do you know who her
Speaker 3: father is? Yes? I know her father, Brian Albert, is
Speaker 3: a very popular man within the town, coach football at
Speaker 3: Kenton High School.
Speaker 8: Sure, they just make themselves look more guilty. If they
Speaker 8: just admit it and make it like it's no big deal,
Speaker 8: it wouldn't be a big deal. But it's the way
Speaker 8: you're saying, I went to school with a girl named
Speaker 8: Caitlyn Albert.
Speaker 1: You know it's like me, that's just say yes. It
Speaker 1: would have just been as simple as that. Instead she
Speaker 1: just she's looking down. She just looks more guilty. They're
Speaker 1: making bigger issues than there leeds to be.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, let me hit the palls.
Speaker 7: But sorry, ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Say again, I'm sorry, I miss what you said. Can
Speaker 3: you repeat that, Lauren?
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: And then everything else that comes out of her mouth
Speaker 4: following that, you're saying, or don't believe at all?
Speaker 3: And you know what the folly is, Lauren. And I
Speaker 3: know you've been around, You've been around trials and and
Speaker 3: so forth. We're you know, we're newer to this than
Speaker 3: you are. Other than what we've seen on television is
Speaker 3: what they really you know, this is this is how
Speaker 3: how dumb they are. And I don't mean Kate right now,
Speaker 3: because Kate is, like I said, she's smarter than all
Speaker 3: of us. But these idiots on the stand, the jury
Speaker 3: might have believe them. They might have had a better
Speaker 3: shot of getting a conviction against Karen if they were
Speaker 3: at least honest about the very simple things. If Jen
Speaker 3: would have said yes, I'm Jen McCabe and then answered
Speaker 3: their questions, and she could have not told them the truth,
Speaker 3: but at least not get caught in two lies before
Speaker 3: you even get to open the front door of the house,
Speaker 3: you know, to go in there and go, oh my god, Brian,
Speaker 3: you can't believe that the Feds are at my house?
Speaker 3: What do I do? I don't know who she called
Speaker 3: the prosecutors here. I don't even know who.
Speaker 8: I think it was the witness victim advocate Steve Nelson,
Speaker 8: It was Peggy O'Keefe, It was Kerrie Roberts, it was
Speaker 8: her husband, Matt McCabe, and then it was Brian Albert.
Speaker 1: It was five.
Speaker 3: People there, you go, right, so, oh, so she didn't
Speaker 3: call the prosecutor, Okay.
Speaker 8: No, but she called but it was the witness victim
Speaker 8: advocate that is at the prospect at Norfolk County DIA's office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been our friend that we lost. No,
Speaker 3: what's our friend that we lost from the state Police
Speaker 3: academy that did it in Essex? Enrique was a victim advocate, right,
Speaker 3: but this.
Speaker 1: Was position Steve Nelson the one that was there.
Speaker 3: I mean same position as what correct?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, yes, correct?
Speaker 3: Okay, So so yeah, like she might have been more
Speaker 3: believable if she if they don't look to lie about everything,
Speaker 3: then the I hit him, I hit him, I hit him,
Speaker 3: would have been more believable if you could have just
Speaker 3: told people, Yeah, I know, Brian Albert is, did Kevin did?
Speaker 3: Did Kevin Albert detective at Canton p D reach out
Speaker 3: to you to set up your interview with Mike Procter, Yes?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Or how about yeah, it was strange that he didn't
Speaker 4: come out of the house.
Speaker 7: Yes, Like what's wrong with saying that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Like, why are you trying to make everything go your way?
Speaker 4: Like you said, if you want something to stick and
Speaker 4: you want the jury to believe you, Okay, admit to
Speaker 4: the stuff. That doesn't matter what you're therefore is that
Speaker 4: supposedly she said, I hit him, so, you know, pick
Speaker 4: your battles.
Speaker 7: But she just looked like an idiot.
Speaker 3: That's how dumb they are. And I think the same
Speaker 3: something very similar with the other young lady, the police officer. Kelly.
Speaker 3: Is their name Kelly Beaver?
Speaker 1: Kelly.
Speaker 3: I'm saying it incorrectly on purpose, but but yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: even with her, you know, it could have been a
Speaker 3: different demeanor. It could have been she could have been
Speaker 3: more believable if she would have been more mature and
Speaker 3: she would have been honest about about what she said.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I think I don't know, what
Speaker 3: would it I still think in a way if she
Speaker 3: would have just told the truth. Yes, I was in
Speaker 3: there's a way to testify in a very monotone, very
Speaker 3: calm voice. Yes I was in there. Yes, those TVs
Speaker 3: showed the sally Port and showed the different views that
Speaker 3: whatever he was trying to ascertain. And yes, I thought
Speaker 3: it was weird that they were there for a long time,
Speaker 3: because they're not going to ask you what you think
Speaker 3: they were doing. I don't know what they were doing.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was weird they were there for
Speaker 3: a long time, and if they would have done that again,
Speaker 3: you know, her testimony would have been more believable. But
Speaker 3: instead of acting like an eighth grade girl who just
Speaker 3: is in the assistant principal's office, you know, and they
Speaker 3: just brought in the school psychologist and the mom just
Speaker 3: got called to come down because you're acting up. And
Speaker 3: then you're acting like that you said my name Ry.
Speaker 3: He knows that, you know. I mean, they just look
Speaker 3: they might have you know, you're so don't. I want
Speaker 3: to thank you guys. Actually I want to thank Kelly
Speaker 3: Kelly Deaver. I want to thank Katie McLaughlin. I want
Speaker 3: to thank Jen McCabe and from the bottom of my heart,
Speaker 3: I want to thank you guys for helping Karen get off.
Speaker 3: I really do. So, you know what, let's do a
Speaker 3: cab right now. We'll do an applause. Thank you guys,
Speaker 3: Thank you. You guys were so not believable on the
Speaker 3: stand and you look like such liars. You made Brian
Speaker 3: Albert look honest, which is really difficult to do, but
Speaker 3: you were successful in making Brian Albert look good in
Speaker 3: from the first trial, and you helped to free Karen Reid.
Speaker 3: So thank you. On behalf of everybody. FKR, thank you
Speaker 3: very much. I appreciate you, ladies. Yep.
Speaker 8: I mean, ultimately, I think it came down to the
Speaker 8: science and you know, and I think that's what made
Speaker 8: her be acquitted, you know, especially that the FBI handed
Speaker 8: the marka But yes, I mean the fact that these
Speaker 8: people that that should have been had not They shouldn't
Speaker 8: have had any skin in the game. They should have
Speaker 8: just been aboo tell the story how it happened, especially
Speaker 8: the you know, the firefighters, and you know, yeah, I mean, ultimately,
Speaker 8: they they're the way that they just couldn't be truthful
Speaker 8: and just answer simple questions.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, I told you before trial number two, I said,
Speaker 3: and now people are agreeing with me. I had better
Speaker 3: I agree with me. I've had sean yesterday. I said,
Speaker 3: it's all about the tail light. I said, if they
Speaker 3: believe Nicholas Burrows, the case is over. But and I'm
Speaker 3: I believe I'm exaggerating and saying that. And this is
Speaker 3: why you hear attorneys say all the time, and all
Speaker 3: of us have listened to all these brilliant law tubers
Speaker 3: that we have, and you hear them say that I'm
Speaker 3: building a case. I'm building a case against you for
Speaker 3: my client, for her innocence. So it's not one thing.
Speaker 3: It's not just ARCA. They didn't even get to say
Speaker 3: if she would have done what she's supposed to do,
Speaker 3: bev and allow them to say that the FBI did that,
Speaker 3: then they would have really been screwed. But they didn't
Speaker 3: have all the pieces of information. Hers in the last
Speaker 3: trial thought they were hired by Karen Reid's insurance company.
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of things like that. But ultimately, when
Speaker 3: you're trying to build a case, which is what Hank
Speaker 3: was trying to do, the reason that he chose these
Speaker 3: people is he said, these are my best witnesses. This
Speaker 3: is my best chance to not I didn't mean for
Speaker 3: that to happen in the background, This is my best
Speaker 3: chance not to convict Karen Reid. Because I don't think
Speaker 3: he ever thought he was going to get twelve Oh.
Speaker 3: I said that before this trial. I said, they have
Speaker 3: no thought in their head that they're gonna get twelve
Speaker 3: people to say she's guilty. All they want to do
Speaker 3: is get a hung jury so they can make her
Speaker 3: spend more money and they can say we'll try her
Speaker 3: a third time, which I'm I'm one hundred percent sure
Speaker 3: Morrissey would have done again. Yeah, but in building a case,
Speaker 3: the people they brought on that Hank said, these are
Speaker 3: my best, not Procter, not Albert, not Chris Albert, not Coco,
Speaker 3: you know, not Julie Albert, not Colin Albert. He chose
Speaker 3: these people and they went up there and they were
Speaker 3: absolutely awful because the jury didn't believe him. So if
Speaker 3: you take the taillight, which I believed in and I
Speaker 3: was hoping Nick Borrows was going to be better than
Speaker 3: he was last time. And when I say that, I
Speaker 3: mean the defense would actually examine him in this case.
Speaker 3: It would have last time it would have been a
Speaker 3: cross examination because he was Lally's witness, and they didn't
Speaker 3: cross examine him, so I thought that was an error.
Speaker 3: This time they examined him, he was cross examined. They
Speaker 3: had all aces on that, they had doctor Lopisada, but
Speaker 3: the witnesses that he brought looked like fucking liars. And
Speaker 3: that you don't build a case on people that can't
Speaker 3: go up there, that act like children, can't answer simple questions.
Speaker 3: And thank god that we did not know about the
Speaker 3: entire FBI episode during trial one. We never knew that
Speaker 3: they came in the driveway and that they caught Jen
Speaker 3: mccabon not one, but two lies in the span of
Speaker 3: ten minutes, and then she had to call them back
Speaker 3: in mag Kulpa.
Speaker 8: Same thing with Kerry Roberts. They didn't cross examine her,
Speaker 8: examine her in trial one, and this time they did
Speaker 8: and they got out of her that she lied to
Speaker 8: the Grand Jerry.
Speaker 7: Yeah that was huge.
Speaker 1: That was huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it definitely because they were able to
Speaker 3: take the soccer mom and while she didn't admit that
Speaker 3: she lied, they could see that she lied, and and
Speaker 3: the other girls. You look like a liar when you
Speaker 3: could just say I know these people and yes I
Speaker 3: did hear her say I hit him, I hit him.
Speaker 3: And you know what, if I don't know this woman
Speaker 3: and I don't have any affinity at all for Karen
Speaker 3: Reid or any fealty towards Karen Reid, I might have
Speaker 3: believed her as a juror. I might I might have
Speaker 3: believed Katie mclacham and her colleagues right, but she blew
Speaker 3: it because she just couldn't say basic things that we
Speaker 3: all know to be true. You say you don't know her. Well,
Speaker 3: there's the photo dummy. How do you explain that? Do
Speaker 3: you put women? And that you don't know?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 8: And another thing was like say firefight ant and trial
Speaker 8: one he thought she John was wearing a puffy jacket.
Speaker 8: And then in trial too, he's saying, oh, my memory
Speaker 8: gets better with time, little things like that.
Speaker 1: That he did not.
Speaker 8: I mean, your memory gets better with time. And then
Speaker 8: you're saying you've been talking about it all around the fire.
Speaker 3: Station, else getting fed a story to tell. Oh, that's
Speaker 3: what he was wearing. It was a sweat jacket. Okay,
Speaker 3: got it that he.
Speaker 1: Remembers cutting a puffy jacket like he wasn't wearing one, sir?
Speaker 7: You think he spared him to that?
Speaker 4: Like, if you're asked if you remember it gets better
Speaker 4: at a time, do not say yet, Like come on,
Speaker 4: if you lose.
Speaker 3: Everything, Oh my god, science will prove you a liar. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you say that, I mean it just it's just
Speaker 3: not true. And I'm I'm living proof of it. There's
Speaker 3: so little that I remember from my past that that's
Speaker 3: why I'm going to my high school reunion. People can
Speaker 3: remind me of when an idiot I was in high
Speaker 3: school and all the dumb things I did at parties,
Speaker 3: so uh, because I don't remember, but I will be
Speaker 3: reminded now remember, right, But yeah, this is a it
Speaker 3: really was a comedy of errors. And I never really
Speaker 3: thought to thank those women for Keith Free and Karen Reid.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm going, you know, I think I'm going
Speaker 3: to make a Twitter post to say thank you Jen McCabe,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe like some kind of big hug thing,
Speaker 3: thank you Katie, because you guys are you guys are
Speaker 3: such terrible liars.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, they really did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see if we're going to get better. We're
Speaker 3: about out of time for tonight. I want to get
Speaker 3: final thoughts from everybody, and uh, we'll see what happens
Speaker 3: going forward. Maybe you can give us a preview via
Speaker 3: of these what's going on in the civil case. I
Speaker 3: think they made an emotion. There's some back and forth
Speaker 3: between the plaintiffs and Karen's team.
Speaker 1: Yes, so the it was to.
Speaker 8: It was to dismiss counts eight through twelve, which had
Speaker 8: to do with the emotional distress because it basically that
Speaker 8: her defense is saying that they don't qualify for it.
Speaker 1: They weren't there, so they had.
Speaker 8: They cited some case law, and you know, if that
Speaker 8: was the case, going to a hospital when you know
Speaker 8: your loved one is injured or potentially killed, would everybody
Speaker 8: would have that right, So you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: So I think they that's what they were saying, that
Speaker 8: they have to kind of you know, they have to
Speaker 8: walk a fine line with that because anybody who goes
Speaker 8: to a hospital will also have that trauma. So because
Speaker 8: she wasn't there, they weren't there. But then there's also
Speaker 8: case law with the regarding to the timeframe. So I mean,
Speaker 8: it's it's some back and forth. So I think Peter
Speaker 8: Trego's was discussing this today, and I think Peter Trego's
Speaker 8: discussed this and said that basically they have to start.
Speaker 8: They can't just come in and say, you know, we're
Speaker 8: gonna requesting that we dismiss everything. They have to start
Speaker 8: with the things that don't fit. And it's a whole
Speaker 8: process because the preponderance of the evidence, I'm sorry, the
Speaker 8: preponderance of the information is yeah, it's so it's.
Speaker 1: Not taken as fact, but it is.
Speaker 8: So I mean, I think, you know, this is going
Speaker 8: to be a long road because she's already filed within
Speaker 8: her her I'm sorry the the o'keefs filed it within
Speaker 8: their time frame.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a long road, this is.
Speaker 8: But I mean she has set up a very nice
Speaker 8: I mean the fact that Elizabeth Little and Jackson joined
Speaker 8: her defense team is amazing. I think there's a lot
Speaker 8: of information and a lot of you know, good things
Speaker 8: that they're going to be able to bring.
Speaker 1: So, but just to kind of loop it around or
Speaker 1: wrap it up.
Speaker 8: And my final thoughts is, you know, this is the
Speaker 8: nonsense is still continuing. It just shifted from Karen Reid
Speaker 8: to Turtle Boy now and you know, obviously we wish
Speaker 8: them all the best. This is I think they're both
Speaker 8: going to have good you know, nineteen eighty three malicious
Speaker 8: prosecution claim against the Commonwealth because everything that Turtle Boy
Speaker 8: is uncovering.
Speaker 1: Is you know, everything exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, that's about what I have to say tonight, Lauren.
Speaker 4: Yes, no, I echo what would be it says. I'm
Speaker 4: excited for the civil trial just because I think there's
Speaker 4: gonna be a whole lot of more evidence coming out.
Speaker 4: They're going to get those for instance, like what you said,
Speaker 4: the videos and they're gonna be able to look at
Speaker 4: them more closely and find these things that I think
Speaker 4: that you know, they possibly could find that it was
Speaker 4: tampered with and all of that thing. So I think
Speaker 4: there's a lot of really great stuff that can can
Speaker 4: happen with that. And I'm waiting for the nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: three suit to be dropped because that would be amazing.
Speaker 4: But basically I say too, like, I know, you guys
Speaker 4: did an awesome show and fundraiser for Turtle Boy, but
Speaker 4: today it was an another reason why if we can
Speaker 4: donate to his fund, we need to because there's another
Speaker 4: hearing now a month from now that his attorneys have
Speaker 4: to come in spend more of their time. That's more money,
Speaker 4: and we don't even know what is going to happen
Speaker 4: at that hearing. You know, they're going to keep kicking
Speaker 4: the can or they're actually going to do something. So
Speaker 4: he needs our help. So yeah, just keep donating if
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 7: And every little.
Speaker 3: Bits I can't disagree with you. Absolutely it's they're going
Speaker 3: to try to drain him of his funds and of Karen.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard her attorney interview, this
Speaker 3: new attorney, this is her second civil attorney prior to
Speaker 3: Jackson in Eliza a little joining and I don't recall
Speaker 3: his name, but I heard him interviewed by Larry Foreman,
Speaker 3: who is the DUI guy, another attorney, and this guy's
Speaker 3: an Afri Connor like he was a classmate in law
Speaker 3: school of Thank Brennan, Like, what are the chances that
Speaker 3: Karen would have an African or a South African guy
Speaker 3: as her attorney who was a classmate of Fred and lost?
Speaker 3: And he is sharp as attack being interviewed by another attorney.
Speaker 3: He was as sharp as can be.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to look for that now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, it was. It was a great interview
Speaker 3: by d u I guy Larry Foreman, who we almost
Speaker 3: got on the show We're over two. He was scheduled twice,
Speaker 3: hasn't appeared yet, but who knows. Maybe you know, we're
Speaker 3: not dead yet. So thank you Lauren for taking the
Speaker 3: time to join us, for asking every time you're on.
Speaker 3: You you just like fit so well with the two
Speaker 3: of us, so we just love having you on.
Speaker 4: So and make sure and make sure everyone's following her
Speaker 4: on X.
Speaker 1: What's your ex handle?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's Lauren Katie, Okay, at Lauren Katie and yeah,
Speaker 3: so we got to have you. Well, she's got her
Speaker 3: her bitness hand. Or if you need a private investigator
Speaker 3: and you are in the southeast, private investor investigator Lauren Valucci. Uh,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure if you're this sharp here, you're even
Speaker 3: more sharp at what you do for a living. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if you ever want to have
Speaker 3: a feeling like hey, I want to go on and
Speaker 3: talk about something, you can always just message me or
Speaker 3: be and we're gonna get you on. So thank you
Speaker 3: so much, Thank you guys, thank you all right on
Speaker 3: behalf of Lauren Katy in Boston, Bia. This is DJ
Speaker 3: saying peace out, one love and as you know, we'll
Speaker 3: see you down the road.