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<v Speaker 1>Can I get out.

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<v Speaker 2>For what's going down in Massachusetts tonight? Because they tried

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<v Speaker 2>to run and put a quick one by Tim Brado,

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Bedrow and turn Boy and guess what it ain't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen, Captain.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we got to say. So, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Boston Bea uh was able to hear this today. By

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<v Speaker 3>the way, welcoming back to Calling All Beings, our special

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<v Speaker 3>guest should be here, Mom and Ary Lam and Terry.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the link and I am your host DJ with

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<v Speaker 3>the Motor GP shirt right here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Boston Bea your co host.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I get it am from somebody? All right?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Is she here? Is the official the official attorney of

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<v Speaker 3>satisfying that's a good adjective, valve. The official attorney of

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<v Speaker 3>Calling All Beings is here? And oh, we're ready to

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<v Speaker 3>have an intro song here in the second who with

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<v Speaker 3>oh and harah just came in the studio. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>here we go. All right, so our next guest can

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<v Speaker 3>be characterized by this song right here.

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<v Speaker 5>So let's let's get the damn thing going. Let's do

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<v Speaker 5>this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I see.

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<v Speaker 6>You sit, but you know in the line when you're

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<v Speaker 6>making the sit, you got to know, put my head

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<v Speaker 6>off sensing the show to my when it what's it for? Last?

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<v Speaker 6>You gotta stand.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen there, we got That's what I'm talking about right there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the Private Eye party. People, put your

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<v Speaker 2>hands together. None other than Miss Lauren Kaden.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that? Did you expect to hear Hollow Notes tonight? Lauren?

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<v Speaker 7>Who knows? What's this guy?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Did you know that song from them? Yes? Of

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<v Speaker 3>course you did.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't hear because my WiFi was going in and out.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's actually just texting BA because I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh you can see me back her or not?

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<v Speaker 7>So I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, we saw you. It was we played Private

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<v Speaker 3>Eyes from uh Private Eyes from Hollow Notes for you.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, absolutely, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, cool, I'm men. I was like, man, total fails.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't like it anyway, welcome back to call beans, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>miss Lauren, Katie and boy I got to catch up

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<v Speaker 3>on the way well at the gym and on the

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<v Speaker 3>way from the gym by listening to our good friend

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<v Speaker 3>brother Counsel who's an amazing attorney. So please, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 3>kick us off you and b A, let's kick us

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<v Speaker 3>off here and then I'll you know, I'll get into

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<v Speaker 3>it as I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, Well, thank you for coming on.

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<v Speaker 8>I know it was last minute, but I saw your

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<v Speaker 8>post on X and I'm like, I have to reach

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<v Speaker 8>out this. I just felt like all the stars stars

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<v Speaker 8>were going to outline. What did you think about the

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<v Speaker 8>you know, today's hearing about unim poundtown that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what a like roller coaster of emotions, right,

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<v Speaker 4>like we thought things were gonna happen and then absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>nothing happened. And then I was frustrated because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>is the judge even understanding what's going on?

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<v Speaker 7>Or is this going over his head? I mean, it

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<v Speaker 7>was a mess.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I just thinking about all these cases, right

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<v Speaker 4>I care and read and then we have all of

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<v Speaker 4>the other one miles King, all of these cases that

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<v Speaker 4>are connected to these same individuals, and they're all sitting

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<v Speaker 4>on information and discovery that they haven't turned over and

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<v Speaker 4>the judge is That's what it's frustrating me the most

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<v Speaker 4>is all of these judges that.

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<v Speaker 7>Are on these cases.

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<v Speaker 4>Like this is not okay, Like there are repercussions for

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<v Speaker 4>this and it's all we do is ask them, well,

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<v Speaker 4>do you feel like you've you know, satisfied your roll fourteen?

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<v Speaker 7>Of course they're gonna say yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and so then nothing happens. So, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 4>like a simple analogy with like a child. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you have a kid and the parent doesn't straighten out

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<v Speaker 4>a certain action that the child's doing when they're young.

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<v Speaker 7>They just keep doing it and it progressively gets worse.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's exactly what's going on in Norfolk County is

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<v Speaker 4>that you have all these judges or parents that have

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<v Speaker 4>never straightened out their children, and so they're sitting on

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<v Speaker 4>the bench and they're letting these commonwealth just get away

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<v Speaker 4>with everything and never having any accountability for them doing well.

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<v Speaker 4>Just in this instance the discovery, like that's a huge

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<v Speaker 4>violation and they should be sanctioned period. And they've been

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<v Speaker 4>getting away with it for years, so of course they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to continue to do this. And this is what

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<v Speaker 4>you have with Aiden's case, them not turning over things

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<v Speaker 4>and they got more information just last night, yeah than

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<v Speaker 4>even yeah exactly, Yeah I did too, I did too.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>It does seem to get it, don't you feel like

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<v Speaker 8>judge Doolan seems to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just his laughter and like little outbursts today.

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<v Speaker 8>I thought that was like a good sign for Aiden

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<v Speaker 8>because I think he's seen through the BS.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he does too.

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<v Speaker 4>But then again, just like Scott said, I thought that

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<v Speaker 4>he would do more today, at least say hey, give him.

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<v Speaker 7>The stuff and no, we're not gonna, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>if this stuff is.

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<v Speaker 4>Out in the open and been produced by Foya, we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're gonna release everything Like that's silly, that's

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely silly. So then I you know, I'm like, is

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<v Speaker 4>he being what the strings being pulled behind the scenes?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know, but I do like dueling. I think

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<v Speaker 7>he does.

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<v Speaker 4>Think it's ridiculous really, but I don't Again, who's controlling him?

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<v Speaker 4>And somebody's got to set the precedent though, Like someone

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<v Speaker 4>has to stand up and be like, okay, look, you

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<v Speaker 4>can't hide discovery.

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<v Speaker 7>This is not okay. But I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 7>gonna be doling because I think the metadata thing just

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<v Speaker 7>went over his head. So I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 7>was irritated, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>All of these defendants deserve more. Some of them seem

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<v Speaker 4>like they could be guilty, but at the very least

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<v Speaker 4>they deserve to have discovery and all of their rights preserved.

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<v Speaker 7>And so, you know, and then you.

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<v Speaker 4>Have people like Aiden who he's literally facing one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and five years.

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<v Speaker 7>That's insane, That is Chad.

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<v Speaker 3>Brought up today. Actually sure, and so that this is

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<v Speaker 3>so ironically, this is ironic that Lauren went exactly where

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to go after listening to brother counsel exactly. It.

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<v Speaker 3>So the term discovery implies and that you have discovered something,

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<v Speaker 3>and oh my god, we've discovered evidence. We have a

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<v Speaker 3>we have a requirement to turn that over, an obligation,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess they say in llegal ease to turn that

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<v Speaker 3>over to the defense, because there are constitutional protections afforded

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<v Speaker 3>the defendant that are not afforded the state. And we

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<v Speaker 3>have just seen what the weight of the state can

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<v Speaker 3>do when it wants to. You know, they were able

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<v Speaker 3>to conjure nearly a million dollars or perhaps over a

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars. Well it's certainly over a million dollars when

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<v Speaker 3>you consider everything, but just in paying the attorney and

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<v Speaker 3>one of the expert witnesses was you know, was nine

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand dollars just that. So I'm very, very concerned

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<v Speaker 3>that not only is there a slippery slope relative to

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<v Speaker 3>the First Amendment and his right to say what he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to say and attack people if he wants to

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<v Speaker 3>attack people, but there's also a problem with they're not

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<v Speaker 3>seeing that people are not being afforded the right to

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<v Speaker 3>defend themselves. And that is what I find problematic. He

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<v Speaker 3>has to be able and how can he defend himself

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<v Speaker 3>when you're pretending like we're all dummies and we can't

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<v Speaker 3>figure out that all of a sudden, four thousand pages

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<v Speaker 3>materialized last night when Betero is sitting there with the

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<v Speaker 3>cup of decalf, you know, and watching some preview of

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL season. Yeah, I mean, are we do you

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<v Speaker 3>think that we think that you just discovered that yesterday? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Discovery back to that that we're discovery, We're not, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna dump this on this guy and his attorneys

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<v Speaker 3>the night before. How is he supposed to defend himself?

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<v Speaker 8>And just to back up on that, the so last

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<v Speaker 8>night's discovery dump was a result of the last hearing

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<v Speaker 8>there being a discovery dump the morning of the hearing,

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<v Speaker 8>and then to find out they were missing a ton

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<v Speaker 8>of there was a ton of miss not I don't

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<v Speaker 8>want to say missing. There were a ton of redacted

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<v Speaker 8>pages and blank pages in that four forty seven hundred dump.

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<v Speaker 8>So now last night, again before the hearing, they dump

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<v Speaker 8>more information on them, the same information they should have

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<v Speaker 8>had before the last hearing that they didn't. So it's

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<v Speaker 8>like this little game that they keep playing is and

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<v Speaker 8>not just in Turtle Boy's case, even in the Walsh case,

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<v Speaker 8>the King case. They keep dumping all this discovery to

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<v Speaker 8>overwhelm the defense attorneys and they don't have the time.

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<v Speaker 8>So then they show up to court and they say,

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<v Speaker 8>but I gave it to them. It's like, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 8>you haven't given us time to look through everything. And

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<v Speaker 8>it's literally just to shut the like, shut everybody up

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<v Speaker 8>as they're doing the hearing, and then they still have

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<v Speaker 8>to dit digest everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So and that's an insult to our intelligence, Yes it is,

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<v Speaker 3>because it feigns propriety, it feigns propride. We've hey, we've

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<v Speaker 3>been our obligate, we've done the right thing. See, and

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<v Speaker 3>like we're all dumb and we can't figure out what

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing. We're not that smart. We don't get it. What,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that's so awesome. He turned it over last night. Great.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they should be able to come in and

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<v Speaker 3>speak to all four thousand pages.

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<v Speaker 7>But the thing is that the discovery has to be

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<v Speaker 7>turned over in a timely manner.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>These cases like Aiden's case, what has it been going

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<v Speaker 4>on for two years now? That's ridiculous, Miles King almost

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<v Speaker 4>four years? That is not acceptable. Where are the sanctions,

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<v Speaker 4>where are.

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<v Speaker 9>The real Yeah, yeah, I mean it's maddening, like and

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I get it small towns.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes this corruption happens. Massachusetts has like a name, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a name for corruption and all of that. But usually

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<v Speaker 4>when you have the eyes of the world on you,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna trial to do a little bit better. And

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<v Speaker 4>this is not happening. No judge is standing up and

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<v Speaker 4>saying it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 3>The justice system is in periled here, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>the justice system is in periled because you are going

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<v Speaker 3>to embolden the prosecutor's office. They're gonna spend another two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand dollars on top of this. Other guys, and

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<v Speaker 3>and relative to what Scott said here, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>highlight what Scott says with former Judge Cross. Former Judge

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<v Speaker 3>Cosgrove takes offense at the Commonwealth uh being disparaged by

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<v Speaker 3>the likes of Turtle Boy. How dare he not only that?

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<v Speaker 3>What I find problematic is he's a judge. He's supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to know that you're protecting the right of the defendant.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not just a zelot. You're not supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>a zelot, which is what okay, Mark Betero is supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be a zealot, right and Tim Bradle is supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be a zealot. That's what a defense attorney does.

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<v Speaker 3>He could be guilty of murder, and they know he's guilty,

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<v Speaker 3>but he is defending their right to deny this guy

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<v Speaker 3>and that you're you're fine with not liking what he says,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can't do this. You were going to embold

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and they're going to continue to do it, just

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<v Speaker 4>like you're saying, and they're going to get more braves

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<v Speaker 4>than all that. But he's a prosecutor in this case.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not a defense attorney, Cosgrove, He's not a judge.

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<v Speaker 4>He's supposed to wear the white hat and he's not,

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<v Speaker 4>just like Hank Brennan wasn't and he was slimy and

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<v Speaker 7>And this is exactly how Cosgrove is coming across. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's disgusting. And here's my thing too. They went out

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<v Speaker 4>that they were already getting paid, and they went out

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<v Speaker 4>and they seek them out. Well they did too. They

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<v Speaker 4>did Karen's and now Aiden's case. Okay, so they should

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<v Speaker 4>not be their main concern. They went out and got

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<v Speaker 4>this special prosecutor to prosecute the case. Kissed or get

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<v Speaker 4>off the pod? Where is a trial? Why is this

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<v Speaker 4>keeping going up? This is insane, Like either try the man,

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<v Speaker 4>give him what he needs to actually try a case,

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<v Speaker 4>or drop the charges.

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<v Speaker 7>This is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>They're continuing to pay this man out of the taxpayer's

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<v Speaker 4>dollars up there for something that they're using the justice

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<v Speaker 7>It's absurd.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what I mean, what can we you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what can we infer from this? Because we did make

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<v Speaker 3>an inference in the Karen Reid case, and I'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to get y'all's take, starting with you being then going

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<v Speaker 3>to Lauren. I think they're trying to drain him of

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<v Speaker 3>his resources. They're like, if we keep making motions and

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<v Speaker 3>then we're going to make him take another motion to

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<v Speaker 3>for an evidential hearing. What a brother counsel said, They

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<v Speaker 3>can just keep drawing, drawing on his resources and challenging

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<v Speaker 3>the you know how much he can make on YouTube

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<v Speaker 3>to pay multiple attorneys and keep coming to trial. What

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<v Speaker 3>do you think do you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean they just keep kicking the can down the road. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>so today is August thirteenth, Now the follow up to

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<v Speaker 8>this hearing is September twenty fourth. Like they just keep

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<v Speaker 8>pushing it off, and it's like, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 8>the motions today or some of the everything, the things

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<v Speaker 8>that were being argued is, oh, i'll take it under advisement,

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<v Speaker 8>So is it really gonna And it didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 8>the judge was taking notes either, So I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 8>I kept thinking to myself, well, how is he gonna

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<v Speaker 8>remember everything he just said? Hopefully somebody was writing it

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<v Speaker 8>down because he was too busy chuckling, and you know

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<v Speaker 8>putting his arms up like, you know, he looked like

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<v Speaker 8>he was just.

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<v Speaker 1>Having a good old time.

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<v Speaker 7>He did entertainment these murder.

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<v Speaker 4>Cases all day. He's like, Oh, finally he's an entertainment.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's on you know, it's in Aiden's expense.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think do you feel like this there's a

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<v Speaker 3>tactic that's going on here that you see Lauren.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that that's probably part of it. But honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking about that today. I think they are

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<v Speaker 4>bring charges against people, and their main concern was getting

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<v Speaker 4>Aiden off of YouTube and getting him behind bars putting

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<v Speaker 4>charges against him, and I don't think they thought everything through. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 4>their evidence against Aiden is dirty and it's not something

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to hold up in court. And so now

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<v Speaker 4>they're actually having to produce this stuff and they don't

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<v Speaker 4>have it, and they know that it's going to get

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<v Speaker 4>kicked back. And so I think that that is where

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<v Speaker 4>they're trying to like hide things. That's why they don't

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<v Speaker 4>want anything unsealed. They don't want to give it over

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<v Speaker 4>because all of that proves that he was set up

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<v Speaker 4>up for all the charge. So I think they didn't

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<v Speaker 4>think it through and now they're trying to cover it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Not you know, in this case, they're not planning tail light,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're trying to hide evidence because it's what they

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<v Speaker 7>So I think it has a little bit to do

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<v Speaker 7>with both.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, and I mean it would it would seem

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, I think they want to play around with

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<v Speaker 3>whole drain a his resources and use a tactic that

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<v Speaker 3>they can use because, like you said, they don't have

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<v Speaker 3>a tail light that they can go and sprinkle on

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<v Speaker 3>the lawn. And boy, you know, my co host here

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<v Speaker 3>came up with a really good one that Procter had

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<v Speaker 3>a very specific tactic weight behind. Don't go to the

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<v Speaker 3>scene because if you go to the scene, you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to have to report on what you saw at the scene.

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<v Speaker 3>So don't go there. Wait until the late afternoon evening

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<v Speaker 3>to even go visit the scene because you'd find tail

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<v Speaker 3>light and we've got to wait to plant the tail

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<v Speaker 3>light there before we go there, which is brilliant. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't believe that. But I've some things here in the

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<v Speaker 3>chat that I want to highlight because we have the

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<v Speaker 3>official attorney of calling all beings Valhalla law bal My

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<v Speaker 3>question to you, based on your comment here, have you

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<v Speaker 3>argued against somebody or felt when you were trying cases

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<v Speaker 3>that are defending defendants? Do you feel like you were

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<v Speaker 3>put under the gun like this, like you were being denied,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Commonwealth was prosecution was playing games, and that

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<v Speaker 3>the judge was, to one degree or another, playing along

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<v Speaker 3>with it. I have that question if you could put

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<v Speaker 3>that in the chat and we'll put that up there

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<v Speaker 3>for you, and if you want to call in, I

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<v Speaker 3>think I can get you in here as well. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have my earbud case, so I have a

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<v Speaker 3>feeling that the earbuds could answer. But I'll try to

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<v Speaker 3>connect the phone to the studio. Scott to get a

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<v Speaker 3>said Cosgrove walked into court at one pm Eastern today.

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<v Speaker 3>Just that is amazing. I'm under the belief that Cosgrove

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<v Speaker 3>passed away on the judge's bench in the late seventy

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<v Speaker 3>I can say, is this, Scott. The hip replacement should

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<v Speaker 3>be imminent. I've had a hip replacement, Cosgrove. I really

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<v Speaker 3>recommend that you go and get that hip replacement. You're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna walk better, You're gonna feel better. Yes, sure, certain

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<v Speaker 3>weather will bother you. But but yes, I agree it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is shocking, to say the least. And Val says,

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<v Speaker 3>I think trying to make TV broke is a motivation,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is secondary. The primary voter motivation is to

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<v Speaker 3>prevent the evidence of the Commonwealth and MSP. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a you know what that is. That's it right there,

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's it right there. Val. He So now

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and this is going back to what Lauren

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<v Speaker 3>just said. What Lauren was saying is basically he equated

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<v Speaker 3>Cosgrove and Brennan in a in a scuzzy way, which

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<v Speaker 3>they both are. But in this instance he is now

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<v Speaker 3>the defense attorney for the Commonwealth who is secondarily trying

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<v Speaker 3>to prosecute Aiden. But really he's trying to keep there

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<v Speaker 3>must don't keep this stuff from coming out. Argue your

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<v Speaker 3>ass off so that this stuff does not get released

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<v Speaker 3>in open court because we'll look terrible. Gotta be his

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<v Speaker 3>marching orders. And I'll shut up now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Brady had a oh sorry, go ahead, Oh that's it.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just agreeing, absolutely, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel, yep with uh because Kate falsified the uh was it?

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<v Speaker 3>What with the descriptions? Do they mean the descriptions of

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<v Speaker 3>the YouTube shows.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, they mean for instance, yes, I I so she

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<v Speaker 8>so let me see, like for instance, I wrote the okay,

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<v Speaker 8>so episode seven five was in regards to you know,

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<v Speaker 8>corruption with the Commonwealth, but the it was actually they

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<v Speaker 8>called it Costgrove gets frisky like, so they they renamed

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<v Speaker 8>different information so that the grand with the grand jury,

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<v Speaker 8>and there was one in regards to Colin Albert and

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<v Speaker 8>you know, but again they didn't match up to what

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<v Speaker 8>the episodes were.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the links. So here's the other problem.

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<v Speaker 8>A lot of the links that they have with attachments

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<v Speaker 8>and files, like Bradle said today, files that can't be

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<v Speaker 8>opened short of Bill Gates because they're including attachments that

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<v Speaker 8>you can't access there.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they don't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>We did what yeah was what it was attached to.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a link there, but there's no file associated with

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<v Speaker 3>the link.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They're trying to play games. They're trying to play games,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're trying to deny this guy the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>defend himself, which is with everything that is would inculpate them.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, so they're using false information to that got him indicted.

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<v Speaker 8>So of course to the grand jurors it's going to

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<v Speaker 8>look like in was up to no good going literally

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<v Speaker 8>going after these people, when all he was is just

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<v Speaker 8>you know, again being a journalist, being a satirist, and

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<v Speaker 8>you know, speaking on what, you know, the outrage of

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<v Speaker 8>the Karen Reid trial, because ultimately that's what this you know,

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<v Speaker 8>his issue is was, is you know he was outraged

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<v Speaker 8>about Karen Reid.

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<v Speaker 3>Well he is going, I'm sorry, go ahead, man, good No,

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<v Speaker 3>I just think that's miscommic.

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<v Speaker 7>They can't present false information to the grand jury.

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<v Speaker 4>And also Kate Peter can't falsify evidence that's tampering with videns.

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<v Speaker 7>You can't do that. None of that works. That's gonna

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<v Speaker 7>get thrown out. But if that's what they did to.

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<v Speaker 4>Get him indicted, his whole indictment is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>thrown out. So I think once they get information that

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<v Speaker 4>they're wanting, all of that is going to come to

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<v Speaker 4>light and it's gonna they're gonna be screwed. So they're

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<v Speaker 4>doing whatever they can to hide the ball and hide

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<v Speaker 4>it from them so that they can continue this absolute

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<v Speaker 4>like persecution. You know that it's absurd.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what is What is interesting though, is you have

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<v Speaker 3>lock them. I wish we could like put them on

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<v Speaker 3>in a cell block together where they would be vine

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<v Speaker 3>for who's going to be the shock caller? Kate and Jen?

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<v Speaker 3>Because she I said this to I talked to Sean

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<v Speaker 3>McDonough yesterday and I said, she is the smartest one

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<v Speaker 3>of all of us. And why because Tolly didn't think

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<v Speaker 3>of this. You know, Cosgrove didn't think of this. He

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<v Speaker 3>thought of this. He thought to do this and to

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<v Speaker 3>lie and to he is going and be a He

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<v Speaker 3>is going after those people. But that's okay. He can

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<v Speaker 3>go after those people. The problem is that when you

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<v Speaker 3>lie and you characterize him in a different way, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>even in a Rated R kind of a way or

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<v Speaker 3>Rated X kind of a way, because that implicate Cosgrove

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<v Speaker 3>gets it's frisky, you know, their implications like some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a porn film there, right, and that that is

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<v Speaker 3>is lying and misrepresenting evidence to the jury. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure there are laws associated with that that that's not legal,

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<v Speaker 3>but they did it just like planting evidence, and.

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00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:24.000
<v Speaker 4>They didn't find out about it until this latest thing.

425
00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:28.440
<v Speaker 4>So all of this is being hidden and it's it's

426
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:32.079
<v Speaker 4>mind blowing. It's disgusting. It's not how our system works.

427
00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.720
<v Speaker 4>You know, he's going up one hundred and five years.

428
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.240
<v Speaker 4>Like most murderers don't get that type of time.

429
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.119
<v Speaker 3>This wouldn't have got that. It's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah,

430
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.079
<v Speaker 3>we in fact, yeah, I mean, I don't know. We

431
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.359
<v Speaker 3>talked to a guy, Nathaniel Brown. I think he has

432
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.920
<v Speaker 3>a life sentence. I can't I can't recall and I

433
00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:56.079
<v Speaker 3>don't know if that was first or second degree murder

434
00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 3>that he was convicted of. His conviction was overturned though.

435
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Also he was arrested by Lieutenant Tully, believe it or not.

436
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:08.000
<v Speaker 3>And now he's going to get into trial in September,

437
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 3>thank god. And we'll see, we'll see. We don't. I mean,

438
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I can't say that. I know he's innocent, but uh

439
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 3>he it was the I guess what was it? Inadequate representation?

440
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so his effective assistance of counsel.

441
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you. Lloyd didn't do good job, That's what

442
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you. See it, she didn't do for good

443
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.000
<v Speaker 3>freaking job got.

444
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Rid of and how yeah go ahead, no, no, go ahead?

445
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.880
<v Speaker 4>How about uh the information that we just found out

446
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:45.160
<v Speaker 4>that Karen Reid didn't even have certain certain text messages from.

447
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.240
<v Speaker 8>Yes Ni came Yes Ali and Jen mccab that she

448
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 8>claims that they allowed her to delete before they took

449
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:57.480
<v Speaker 8>her phone. And now Aiden last night was given information

450
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.960
<v Speaker 8>regarding those those text messages and Karen didn't even know.

451
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>He said, I talked to Karen this morning. She didn't

452
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>even have these, So you.

453
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Know, these kept bringing it because I'm only just tangentially

454
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 3>where tell me about these texts and what it means

455
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.559
<v Speaker 3>and who who texted who? And I know Jen was

456
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:17.279
<v Speaker 3>allowed to and she said, oh, my kids telling me

457
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.039
<v Speaker 3>to clean out my phone. That bulls where every time

458
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:24.359
<v Speaker 3>she gets in trouble she says, my kids, right.

459
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Because normal moms do that.

460
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

461
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Right as they're waiting for the ice cream truck, Yes.

462
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes, with the vacuum cleaner salesman in the driveway, right.

463
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 8>And then you don't give them your name, and you

464
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.279
<v Speaker 8>don't make up a name, you give them your sister's.

465
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 3>And yah, everybody does that.

466
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, still in the family. No, So he just alluded

467
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>to the fact while he was.

468
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 8>On he went live on Melanie's channel on the way home,

469
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.079
<v Speaker 8>and all he said was that basically he had gotten

470
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 8>hold of these text messages that were in last night's

471
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.960
<v Speaker 8>dumb that were between Jen McCabe and Ally McCabe, but

472
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.599
<v Speaker 8>they were supposed to have been deleted before she turned

473
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 8>her phone over, So I don't know if they didn't

474
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 8>fully delete, I don't know how.

475
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, soccer mom, Yeah right, you know what. You gave

476
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:17.559
<v Speaker 3>soccer a bit. You gave soccer a bad name.

477
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:17.799
<v Speaker 4>Jen.

478
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't if I had a child right now, I

479
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.079
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't want them to play soccer just because of you.

480
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:25.680
<v Speaker 3>I'd ask them to pick a different sport.

481
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Yes, obviously they were able to pull these deleted messages

482
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 4>up and didn't produce them to Karen's defense team. So

483
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 4>again hiding discovery, cherry picking what you want to give,

484
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 4>and that's not.

485
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 7>How it works, and no one for it. That's not

486
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 7>the thing. We have no idea. I will die on

487
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:53.720
<v Speaker 7>this on this hill.

488
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.319
<v Speaker 4>We have no idea what really there was that we

489
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 4>didn't see in the Karen Ree trial. Same with Aiden.

490
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 4>They get all the information last night. I would bet

491
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 4>money on it.

492
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.720
<v Speaker 7>They are hiding so many things.

493
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 4>It's disgusting and again the judges, the judges need to

494
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:10.960
<v Speaker 4>step it up.

495
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's ridiculous.

496
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Not only that that what that text message jump that

497
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 3>you're referring to, I mean, I would assume that right now,

498
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Alan Jackson and you know, Eliza Little, this is an

499
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 3>additional cause of action, a nineteen eighty three cause of

500
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 3>action that they're going to add to their suit. They're like,

501
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 3>they hid a discovery from us.

502
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely it's a gift now because of that, but it

503
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't have been a gift had she, you know, been convicted.

504
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 4>So absolutely that's gonna that's going to be a huge,

505
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 4>a huge issue for them to bring up.

506
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:54.720
<v Speaker 8>And then time and time again, there's no accountability for

507
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:59.680
<v Speaker 8>the prosecutors who are bringing these cases. There's no accountability

508
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:02.000
<v Speaker 8>and just keep getting away with it and it's like

509
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 8>no big deal. They just get up and they're not

510
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.640
<v Speaker 8>like even I don't want to say remorseful because that's

511
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.240
<v Speaker 8>probably not the right word, but like they there's just like,

512
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 8>oh it just it is what it is type of attitude,

513
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:16.160
<v Speaker 8>and there's no accountability. They're not being sanctioned, and they

514
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 8>just you know, hey, we'll give it to you when

515
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:19.799
<v Speaker 8>we give it to you type of thing. And there's

516
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 8>no urgency and that's why they're saying, you know, the

517
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 8>saying like the wheels of justice turned slowly because hey,

518
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 8>we're just know, we're working on it, like hey, we'll

519
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 8>meet in a month. Like again, no accountability, none, absolutely none,

520
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 8>And it's not going to change because the judges are

521
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 8>not requiring them to go buy the actual laws.

522
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 7>I mean, they're there for a reason, so why would

523
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:44.400
<v Speaker 7>they produce it?

524
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.039
<v Speaker 4>It's you know, in a normal case, it's going to

525
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 4>be more work for them to do it in a

526
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 4>timely manner.

527
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 7>But if they've been used to doing this for thirty years,

528
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 7>they're not worried about it.

529
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Speaker 4>Judges are going to do anything, So why would we,

530
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, stay up late and get discovery ready forget.

531
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that they didn't go after in

532
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.039
<v Speaker 3>trial that still kind of bugs me is we had

533
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 3>on a young lady from Connecticut who goes by video

534
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Jesus named Abby, and she's an expert, and I mean

535
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.880
<v Speaker 3>she could tell you more about file types than I

536
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.160
<v Speaker 3>can comprehend. Like that, that's the level of depth. And

537
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 3>the fact that they didn't get a unedited version of

538
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 3>that sally Port video that it was manipulated, even an

539
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 3>original unedited version, which she said because she went out

540
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>and bought those cameras in that system so she could

541
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 3>see what the file types are, and they never got that,

542
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 3>and they they didn't argue at a trial, but they

543
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 3>denied Karen an original unedited copy front to back of

544
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 3>when that car came in there and when that car left,

545
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:02.559
<v Speaker 3>and obviously they fucking deleted the part where they smashed

546
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:03.160
<v Speaker 3>the tail light.

547
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, absolutely, it's that that's the This place is

548
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 4>so dirty, like it almost seems to be burnt to

549
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 4>the ground and start started over like it's horrible. And

550
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.599
<v Speaker 4>I mean for the judge to not again with the

551
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Speaker 4>metadata all of that, they she didn't care.

552
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 7>So I mean.

553
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 3>Concerns, right, yes, that right, No grave concerns, only that

554
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Alan Jackson had a freaking signal call or signal messages

555
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 3>with doctor Renschler or something.

556
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.119
<v Speaker 8>No, no, it was dimples at.

557
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 3>Whatever, any either one of them, either one of them,

558
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter. It could have been any one of

559
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 3>the witnesses. Like that's a big deal. Hing is is

560
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 3>that it It's that she was outraged about that, not

561
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 3>outraged that the video was reversed to make it look

562
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 3>like they were standing behind the opposite tail light.

563
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 8>And when you alreadys said, is this a true inaccurate

564
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 8>representation with the potentially the plow driver getting out of

565
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 8>the what should have been the driver's side, but it

566
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.960
<v Speaker 8>was actually or it looked like it was the passenger

567
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 8>side where it should have been the driver's side.

568
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Again, he said, yes, that is a true representation.

569
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 8>It took till the next day, till the defense you know,

570
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 8>pointed it out that he goes, well, it's just a mirror,

571
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Speaker 8>Like you look at yourself in the mirror and try

572
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 8>to make this whole excuse.

573
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah, Like when I look at myself in

574
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.400
<v Speaker 3>the mirror, as it turns out, I don't see that

575
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 3>the leg that the knee that I just had replaced,

576
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 3>It turns out it's not the right need to the

577
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 3>left knee. So I think he's missing the primary part.

578
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 3>As for Canton talking about it being a small town,

579
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 3>it is a town of just under twenty five thousand.

580
00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 3>The median income there average income is one hundred and

581
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 3>seventy just under one hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars

582
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.519
<v Speaker 3>a year. I'm gonna tell you what, and it touches Boston,

583
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 3>is what I'm told. No, I mean, this is not

584
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is not like the small town I

585
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 3>come from. I mean, for sure it's it's not, but

586
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 3>they act like it is. They act like this is Philadelphia, Mississippi.

587
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 3>It's nineteen sixty four. The three civil rights workers just

588
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 3>came in there, and we're gonna kill him and we're

589
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna bury him on some farms. Say, don't know what

590
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.839
<v Speaker 3>happened in them Silver Riots boys. That's what they're acting like.

591
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the good old boys system.

592
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Yep, you operate there. Yeah, this is this is Uh,

593
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 3>let me see what is this? Noodle's Mama, good evening

594
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.279
<v Speaker 3>djb A Lauren and chat, watching TV on Chromebook and

595
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 3>watching Well, thank you very very much. I forgot Yeah

596
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.240
<v Speaker 3>you are, thank you very much, Noodle's mama. I think

597
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 3>I knew that TV was on, and I know Mike

598
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.480
<v Speaker 3>was on earlier. Also, I don't know if Mike is

599
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 3>still on with the young jerks. So yeah, I mean

600
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna suck up all the resauces. But uh, as

601
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:13.320
<v Speaker 3>it is. You know, he's got a hundred and I

602
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know he's got one hundred and fifty thousand. I

603
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 3>don't know many A little over that.

604
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it was closer to one fifty five.

605
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Nice, well done. Also Cobb Cosco she's trying to shift

606
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 3>his discovery burdens to the defense. Yeah, I know exactly,

607
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 3>I know, like he did with the with the thumb drive.

608
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Nice try the thumb drive that you already have a

609
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 3>forensic copy of. Okay, got it? And they make from lma,

610
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 3>he should be asleep, broid. Now it's my light over there.

611
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 3>Well two o'clock in the moon and thereabouts. Anyway, I'm sorry,

612
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 3>go ahead, please.

613
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.639
<v Speaker 4>I love how the judge basically just ignored the whole

614
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 4>mellow situation and.

615
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 7>Like, aylbol, is he healthy? Is he dead? We don't know,

616
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.199
<v Speaker 7>and he's just like and didn't even ask Costcrow.

617
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh because he yeah, because there they were supposed to

618
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.719
<v Speaker 3>remove him as counsels because they want to call him

619
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 3>as a witness. So he didn't rule on that either. Yeah.

620
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:18.719
<v Speaker 3>So I don't have a lot of faith in Douelin.

621
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 3>I really don't.

622
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

623
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.679
<v Speaker 8>I have a good feeling about Doolan, he I don't know,

624
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 8>just since I've seen him the last couple of times,

625
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 8>I definitely get a like I feel like he gets

626
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 8>it and just his I mean, he literally laughed a

627
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 8>few times today, Like I can't tell you like I

628
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 8>think he sees through it, and he does.

629
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I have to say he he is playing.

630
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 8>Fair because he does give Bradle an opportunity to speak

631
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 8>on everything. He's not just you know, unlike Auntie Bev.

632
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 8>This was it's just a different demeanor with Doolan, I think,

633
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.360
<v Speaker 8>And he's definitely getting it. He's also the one that

634
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 8>dismissed those those other you know what do you forget

635
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 8>the verbiage, but he's the one that he's the one

636
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.039
<v Speaker 8>that dismissed some of the charge the charges or the

637
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 8>indictments or no, just.

638
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 7>Part of that because.

639
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 1>They were witness intimidation. Yeah, so he was responsible for that.

640
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>So I do think he gets it.

641
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 8>And I don't know, I have a good feeling about him,

642
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 8>you know again, just based on his attitude today, and

643
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 8>I don't know, I feel like I feel good about it.

644
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.519
<v Speaker 8>I think eventually this they're either going to drop this

645
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.280
<v Speaker 8>because of the embarrassment to the state or it's good

646
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 8>they're going to file a motion to dismiss for this

647
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 8>malicious prosecution and they're going to have to they're going

648
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 8>to let him go, let.

649
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Them go free. Well, he is free. I mean, you

650
00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:58.280
<v Speaker 1>know they're gonna.

651
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 3>But here's the thing, though, they can't Okay, they're not

652
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 3>going to be embarrassed if he doesn't unimpound things. So

653
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 3>one has to happen before the other happens. So he

654
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.440
<v Speaker 3>has to rule in their favor to embarrass them so

655
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.760
<v Speaker 3>that maybe they'll drop the charges or dismiss the charges.

656
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 3>And if he doesn't do that, and he doesn't, for example,

657
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, say okay, you're allowed to call Ken Mellow

658
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 3>as a witness, you know, things like that. If they don't,

659
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 3>if he doesn't start ruling on these things, make them,

660
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, make them answer for the discovery violations that

661
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 3>that they've made or you know that they have not made,

662
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 3>because there I believe there's language in there, a better

663
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.800
<v Speaker 3>a good faith, you know, effort, and that's not good

664
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 3>faith turning over four thousand pages overnight, Nor is it

665
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 3>good faith to have four thousand blank pages which Attorney

666
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 3>Cosgrove apparently said that he didn't see that. They well,

667
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 3>if you didn't see it, then that means that's your

668
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 3>mouth feastings. That means you suck as an attorney. And

669
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:07.079
<v Speaker 3>they're wasting the two hundred thousand dollars in addition to

670
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 3>your two hundred thousand dollars retirement. They're wasting this other

671
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 3>two hundred thousand dollars because you're not looking at discovery.

672
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 3>But we know you are, and we know you knew

673
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 3>they were blank because as it turns out, we're not idiots,

674
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.639
<v Speaker 3>big surprise. We know what you're doing. It's just a

675
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:24.679
<v Speaker 3>matter if you're going to be held to account.

676
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 10>Right, Yeah, totally prepared everything too, I feel like, and

677
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 10>you know so, yeah, they just conveniently weren't.

678
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.559
<v Speaker 3>There either that or cages. They're paralegal. You know, she's

679
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 3>probably like the smartest one in the whole thing. I mean,

680
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:48.679
<v Speaker 3>just think about put yourself in her shoes. Put yourself

681
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 3>in her shoes for a second. You are gonna have

682
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 3>the cajones, right, the mammary glands to go up to

683
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 3>the prosecutor and and a detective lieutenant and tell them, hey,

684
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 3>I think this is what you guys should do for

685
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:12.199
<v Speaker 3>the grand jury. That is devious, evil, genius.

686
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 7>And why did she have the cohonas to do that?

687
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.400
<v Speaker 4>Because she knew morcy and she's not going to be

688
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:23.119
<v Speaker 4>charged with anything. So it's a double edged sword, like

689
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 4>this is the whole thing is just the most corrupt

690
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 4>thing I've ever seen.

691
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:29.639
<v Speaker 7>It really is.

692
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 3>It's beyond anything. And if we don't get a judge

693
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 3>that is going to follow the law, follow the law,

694
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.440
<v Speaker 3>then we're screwed. I mean they're screwed. I'd say we're screwed.

695
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm not screwed, and I don't live there. But people

696
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 3>whose rights I care about, whether I know them personally

697
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 3>or not, is it issue here?

698
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, And the way it was said today, Miss Peter

699
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 8>repeatedly is providing attachments to the state troopers working on

700
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.159
<v Speaker 8>videos that were exhibits in the grand jury. Again, some

701
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 8>of this information is coming from her that were used

702
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 8>to indict him.

703
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what we're talking. Yeah, that's how brilliant she is. Yeah,

704
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.199
<v Speaker 3>because she would have authored I don't think. I don't

705
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 3>think cosgro Well, he wasn't even on I don't you know.

706
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Ken Mellow was the attorney at the time, But I

707
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.599
<v Speaker 3>don't think he thought, Hey, let's change the titles of

708
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.360
<v Speaker 3>here and make it sound more salacious so that the

709
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 3>grand jury thinks this guy's an X rated pervert.

710
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:41.280
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

711
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.679
<v Speaker 4>How embarrassing is that for them? They have some random,

712
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.519
<v Speaker 4>random in their town doing the.

713
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 7>Work for them.

714
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the problem it's not they're not embarrassed. That's

715
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 3>the problem. They were embarrassed. They wouldn't do it. You

716
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.920
<v Speaker 3>have to first, you have to have the ability to

717
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 3>feel shit, you you know, and to not feel shame.

718
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 3>You must have some you know my Dean college, you know,

719
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:11.920
<v Speaker 3>psychology class, some measure of sociopathy, to not feel any

720
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.559
<v Speaker 3>shame about any of this, about going up and like

721
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Urian presenting a video and saying, yes, this is true

722
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 3>and accurate description as she just said, and then go ah,

723
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.920
<v Speaker 3>well it's like that, but it's a mirror and then

724
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 3>just pivot on a one to eighty. Doesn't care anything

725
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 3>about do you swear child truths? Hold truth? Not truth?

726
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.960
<v Speaker 3>So help you god, I do? Does it not shamed

727
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.119
<v Speaker 3>at all? Or Katie or Jen? I didn't know they

728
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 3>were FBI agents. They look like salesmen. There is I mean, Lauren,

729
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 3>you've been around, I mean, you've worked out of Atlanta, Okay,

730
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 3>you've got experience. Is there anyone that would mistake two

731
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.039
<v Speaker 3>gentlemen pulling up in your driveway in a government vehicle

732
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:03.400
<v Speaker 3>getting out with Blake? Would you mistake them for traveling

733
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.239
<v Speaker 3>salesmen or do you think you'd figure out that they're

734
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 3>the FBI within let's say thirty seconds of them exiting

735
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 3>the vehicle.

736
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:13.719
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, And we know she was on high alert because

737
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 4>of what she did in like the ten minutes that

738
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:18.920
<v Speaker 4>she was, you know, asked to go brush her teeth,

739
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 4>So she knew she was on high alert, and she knew.

740
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 7>Exactly who they were. That's why she did what she did.

741
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 7>And she can brush her teeth. I got nobody brushed

742
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.039
<v Speaker 7>their teeth in that ten minutes. She was too busy

743
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 7>calling people.

744
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah either, did you see her on the stand? Clearly

745
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:38.840
<v Speaker 3>there was yes, yeah, yeah. I Mean the thing is

746
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 3>is they would have already identified themselves. They already established

747
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.800
<v Speaker 3>they first said she she had already said she was

748
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Nicole Albert. I'm sure she already then reidentified herself as

749
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Jennifer McCabe. Go, figure, I call myself Andrew all the

750
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 3>time because my brother's names Andrew. When people go, hey,

751
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 3>are you David, No, I'm Andrew. You know, I do

752
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 3>it all the time. It just I don't know why

753
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.119
<v Speaker 3>I get scared. But but so they would have already

754
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 3>identified themselves. She would have known who they were, so

755
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 3>that was the first lie. The second lie was about

756
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 3>the phone calls. But I think she is when she

757
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:18.199
<v Speaker 3>said she thought they were Electrolux vacuum cleaner salesmen, they

758
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.280
<v Speaker 3>would have already pulled out their badge and said we're

759
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 3>with the FBI or you miss mckab yeah, or she

760
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 3>would have.

761
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Said I'm not interested in what you're selling, and then

762
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 4>they would have told her who they were, so it

763
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:31.440
<v Speaker 4>doesn't have I.

764
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Mean, yeah, and that that there's the dead giveaways of

765
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 3>the white license plate that say US Government on them.

766
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of a kind of a giveaway.

767
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:41.119
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

768
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And the embedded blue lights in the grill. Oh

769
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 3>look at that. Yeah? About that.

770
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 4>She's familiar with the police. She knows what vehicles look like.

771
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 4>That are, you know, government vehicles.

772
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.239
<v Speaker 3>She knows, to say the least. But she thinks we're

773
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 3>all so dumb that we're gonna believe her. And she's

774
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 3>gonna look look at me. I just had a spri

775
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.280
<v Speaker 3>and my hair and I haven't eaten three days. You know,

776
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:08.679
<v Speaker 3>all I've had is those nutril shakes. I mean, she

777
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 3>thinks we're all fucking idiot. That's what's so annoying is

778
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 3>all these people think we're so stupid that we're gonna

779
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:20.079
<v Speaker 3>believe mellow, you know with that Oh my god, though

780
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 3>that Harry looks like a game show host from the

781
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 3>sixties Osgrove who needs a hip replacement. And I happen

782
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 3>to know doctor fram uh Jen McCabe, The other girl says,

783
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.599
<v Speaker 3>I knew a girl named Caitlin Albert in high school.

784
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 3>I know a lot of people in high school. But yeah,

785
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can't you can't make you can't even

786
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.639
<v Speaker 3>make this up. Now, what do you mean you knew

787
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 3>somebody named Kate? You were just with her at a wedding,

788
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 3>at a baby shower. Why not just tell us that

789
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 3>I know her? Because then I would put more me

790
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.760
<v Speaker 3>who's free care and read one hundred percent, would put

791
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:11.239
<v Speaker 3>more credibility on her testimony. But she can't even tell

792
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 3>the truth that she knows the girl. So how am

793
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.559
<v Speaker 3>I supposed to believe anything you say after that? Is

794
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 3>a lie?

795
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 7>Absolutely?

796
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:25.639
<v Speaker 3>Right? Would you? Would you? Would you look at her

797
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.440
<v Speaker 3>differently if she if she respectfully said yes, I'm friends

798
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 3>with Caitlin Albert, and yes we you know, we went

799
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:36.119
<v Speaker 3>to high school together, and we saw each other in college,

800
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 3>and in fact I saw her at an event within

801
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 3>the last year. That's acceptable. Do you know who her

802
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.559
<v Speaker 3>father is? Yes? I know her father, Brian Albert, is

803
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 3>a very popular man within the town, coach football at

804
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Kenton High School.

805
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 8>Sure, they just make themselves look more guilty. If they

806
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 8>just admit it and make it like it's no big deal,

807
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 8>it wouldn't be a big deal. But it's the way

808
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.760
<v Speaker 8>you're saying, I went to school with a girl named

809
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:03.159
<v Speaker 8>Caitlyn Albert.

810
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.920
<v Speaker 1>You know it's like me, that's just say yes. It

811
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 1>would have just been as simple as that. Instead she

812
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:14.000
<v Speaker 1>just she's looking down. She just looks more guilty. They're

813
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 1>making bigger issues than there leeds to be.

814
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh sorry, let me hit the palls.

815
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 7>But sorry, ridiculous.

816
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 3>Say again, I'm sorry, I miss what you said. Can

817
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 3>you repeat that, Lauren?

818
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:30.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, no, I'm just saying.

819
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.280
<v Speaker 4>And then everything else that comes out of her mouth

820
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 4>following that, you're saying, or don't believe at all?

821
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 3>And you know what the folly is, Lauren. And I

822
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.960
<v Speaker 3>know you've been around, You've been around trials and and

823
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 3>so forth. We're you know, we're newer to this than

824
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 3>you are. Other than what we've seen on television is

825
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 3>what they really you know, this is this is how

826
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.079
<v Speaker 3>how dumb they are. And I don't mean Kate right now,

827
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:55.880
<v Speaker 3>because Kate is, like I said, she's smarter than all

828
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.360
<v Speaker 3>of us. But these idiots on the stand, the jury

829
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.880
<v Speaker 3>might have believe them. They might have had a better

830
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 3>shot of getting a conviction against Karen if they were

831
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 3>at least honest about the very simple things. If Jen

832
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 3>would have said yes, I'm Jen McCabe and then answered

833
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 3>their questions, and she could have not told them the truth,

834
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:26.679
<v Speaker 3>but at least not get caught in two lies before

835
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 3>you even get to open the front door of the house,

836
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, to go in there and go, oh my god, Brian,

837
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 3>you can't believe that the Feds are at my house?

838
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 3>What do I do? I don't know who she called

839
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 3>the prosecutors here. I don't even know who.

840
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.440
<v Speaker 8>I think it was the witness victim advocate Steve Nelson,

841
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 8>It was Peggy O'Keefe, It was Kerrie Roberts, it was

842
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:53.360
<v Speaker 8>her husband, Matt McCabe, and then it was Brian Albert.

843
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:54.119
<v Speaker 1>It was five.

844
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.920
<v Speaker 3>People there, you go, right, so, oh, so she didn't

845
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 3>call the prosecutor, Okay.

846
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 8>No, but she called but it was the witness victim

847
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.679
<v Speaker 8>advocate that is at the prospect at Norfolk County DIA's office.

848
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would have been our friend that we lost. No,

849
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 3>what's our friend that we lost from the state Police

850
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 3>academy that did it in Essex? Enrique was a victim advocate, right,

851
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 3>but this.

852
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Was position Steve Nelson the one that was there.

853
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean same position as what correct?

854
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm sorry, yes, correct?

855
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So so yeah, like she might have been more

856
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.599
<v Speaker 3>believable if she if they don't look to lie about everything,

857
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 3>then the I hit him, I hit him, I hit him,

858
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.639
<v Speaker 3>would have been more believable if you could have just

859
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 3>told people, Yeah, I know, Brian Albert is, did Kevin did?

860
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Did Kevin Albert detective at Canton p D reach out

861
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.320
<v Speaker 3>to you to set up your interview with Mike Procter, Yes?

862
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

863
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.400
<v Speaker 4>Or how about yeah, it was strange that he didn't

864
00:48:59.400 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 4>come out of the house.

865
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.880
<v Speaker 7>Yes, Like what's wrong with saying that?

866
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:03.280
<v Speaker 3>You know?

867
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Like, why are you trying to make everything go your way?

868
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 4>Like you said, if you want something to stick and

869
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.800
<v Speaker 4>you want the jury to believe you, Okay, admit to

870
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.360
<v Speaker 4>the stuff. That doesn't matter what you're therefore is that

871
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:20.800
<v Speaker 4>supposedly she said, I hit him, so, you know, pick

872
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 4>your battles.

873
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 7>But she just looked like an idiot.

874
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 3>That's how dumb they are. And I think the same

875
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:31.519
<v Speaker 3>something very similar with the other young lady, the police officer. Kelly.

876
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Is their name Kelly Beaver?

877
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Kelly.

878
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:41.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying it incorrectly on purpose, but but yeah, you know,

879
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:43.480
<v Speaker 3>even with her, you know, it could have been a

880
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.320
<v Speaker 3>different demeanor. It could have been she could have been

881
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.639
<v Speaker 3>more believable if she would have been more mature and

882
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:53.440
<v Speaker 3>she would have been honest about about what she said.

883
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, I mean, I think I don't know, what

884
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 3>would it I still think in a way if she

885
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.960
<v Speaker 3>would have just told the truth. Yes, I was in

886
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 3>there's a way to testify in a very monotone, very

887
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.159
<v Speaker 3>calm voice. Yes I was in there. Yes, those TVs

888
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 3>showed the sally Port and showed the different views that

889
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 3>whatever he was trying to ascertain. And yes, I thought

890
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 3>it was weird that they were there for a long time,

891
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:26.079
<v Speaker 3>because they're not going to ask you what you think

892
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 3>they were doing. I don't know what they were doing.

893
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.199
<v Speaker 3>I just thought it was weird they were there for

894
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 3>a long time, and if they would have done that again,

895
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, her testimony would have been more believable. But

896
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:41.880
<v Speaker 3>instead of acting like an eighth grade girl who just

897
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.559
<v Speaker 3>is in the assistant principal's office, you know, and they

898
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 3>just brought in the school psychologist and the mom just

899
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:51.400
<v Speaker 3>got called to come down because you're acting up. And

900
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:56.119
<v Speaker 3>then you're acting like that you said my name Ry.

901
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 3>He knows that, you know. I mean, they just look

902
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.599
<v Speaker 3>they might have you know, you're so don't. I want

903
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 3>to thank you guys. Actually I want to thank Kelly

904
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Kelly Deaver. I want to thank Katie McLaughlin. I want

905
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 3>to thank Jen McCabe and from the bottom of my heart,

906
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I want to thank you guys for helping Karen get off.

907
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 3>I really do. So, you know what, let's do a

908
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.599
<v Speaker 3>cab right now. We'll do an applause. Thank you guys,

909
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. You guys were so not believable on the

910
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 3>stand and you look like such liars. You made Brian

911
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.519
<v Speaker 3>Albert look honest, which is really difficult to do, but

912
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 3>you were successful in making Brian Albert look good in

913
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:43.079
<v Speaker 3>from the first trial, and you helped to free Karen Reid.

914
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.519
<v Speaker 3>So thank you. On behalf of everybody. FKR, thank you

915
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.239
<v Speaker 3>very much. I appreciate you, ladies. Yep.

916
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.360
<v Speaker 8>I mean, ultimately, I think it came down to the

917
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 8>science and you know, and I think that's what made

918
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 8>her be acquitted, you know, especially that the FBI handed

919
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 8>the marka But yes, I mean the fact that these

920
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 8>people that that should have been had not They shouldn't

921
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:10.400
<v Speaker 8>have had any skin in the game. They should have

922
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.280
<v Speaker 8>just been aboo tell the story how it happened, especially

923
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 8>the you know, the firefighters, and you know, yeah, I mean, ultimately,

924
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 8>they they're the way that they just couldn't be truthful

925
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 8>and just answer simple questions.

926
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:27.280
<v Speaker 1>You know.

927
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, I told you before trial number two, I said,

928
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.239
<v Speaker 3>and now people are agreeing with me. I had better

929
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.480
<v Speaker 3>I agree with me. I've had sean yesterday. I said,

930
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.760
<v Speaker 3>it's all about the tail light. I said, if they

931
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 3>believe Nicholas Burrows, the case is over. But and I'm

932
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 3>I believe I'm exaggerating and saying that. And this is

933
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 3>why you hear attorneys say all the time, and all

934
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 3>of us have listened to all these brilliant law tubers

935
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 3>that we have, and you hear them say that I'm

936
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 3>building a case. I'm building a case against you for

937
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 3>my client, for her innocence. So it's not one thing.

938
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 3>It's not just ARCA. They didn't even get to say

939
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.199
<v Speaker 3>if she would have done what she's supposed to do,

940
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 3>bev and allow them to say that the FBI did that,

941
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.079
<v Speaker 3>then they would have really been screwed. But they didn't

942
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 3>have all the pieces of information. Hers in the last

943
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 3>trial thought they were hired by Karen Reid's insurance company.

944
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 3>There's all kinds of things like that. But ultimately, when

945
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:34.239
<v Speaker 3>you're trying to build a case, which is what Hank

946
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.440
<v Speaker 3>was trying to do, the reason that he chose these

947
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.679
<v Speaker 3>people is he said, these are my best witnesses. This

948
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 3>is my best chance to not I didn't mean for

949
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 3>that to happen in the background, This is my best

950
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:53.559
<v Speaker 3>chance not to convict Karen Reid. Because I don't think

951
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:55.719
<v Speaker 3>he ever thought he was going to get twelve Oh.

952
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I said that before this trial. I said, they have

953
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.239
<v Speaker 3>no thought in their head that they're gonna get twelve

954
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 3>people to say she's guilty. All they want to do

955
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 3>is get a hung jury so they can make her

956
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 3>spend more money and they can say we'll try her

957
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 3>a third time, which I'm I'm one hundred percent sure

958
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Morrissey would have done again. Yeah, but in building a case,

959
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:19.519
<v Speaker 3>the people they brought on that Hank said, these are

960
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 3>my best, not Procter, not Albert, not Chris Albert, not Coco,

961
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, not Julie Albert, not Colin Albert. He chose

962
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 3>these people and they went up there and they were

963
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.719
<v Speaker 3>absolutely awful because the jury didn't believe him. So if

964
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:41.079
<v Speaker 3>you take the taillight, which I believed in and I

965
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.760
<v Speaker 3>was hoping Nick Borrows was going to be better than

966
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.239
<v Speaker 3>he was last time. And when I say that, I

967
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:51.400
<v Speaker 3>mean the defense would actually examine him in this case.

968
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.039
<v Speaker 3>It would have last time it would have been a

969
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 3>cross examination because he was Lally's witness, and they didn't

970
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.800
<v Speaker 3>cross examine him, so I thought that was an error.

971
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 3>This time they examined him, he was cross examined. They

972
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:07.159
<v Speaker 3>had all aces on that, they had doctor Lopisada, but

973
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 3>the witnesses that he brought looked like fucking liars. And

974
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.400
<v Speaker 3>that you don't build a case on people that can't

975
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:20.719
<v Speaker 3>go up there, that act like children, can't answer simple questions.

976
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 3>And thank god that we did not know about the

977
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 3>entire FBI episode during trial one. We never knew that

978
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 3>they came in the driveway and that they caught Jen

979
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 3>mccabon not one, but two lies in the span of

980
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.119
<v Speaker 3>ten minutes, and then she had to call them back

981
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:41.159
<v Speaker 3>in mag Kulpa.

982
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.280
<v Speaker 8>Same thing with Kerry Roberts. They didn't cross examine her,

983
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.000
<v Speaker 8>examine her in trial one, and this time they did

984
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.239
<v Speaker 8>and they got out of her that she lied to

985
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:51.039
<v Speaker 8>the Grand Jerry.

986
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:52.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah that was huge.

987
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 1>That was huge.

988
00:55:55.519 --> 00:56:00.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it definitely because they were able to

989
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 3>take the soccer mom and while she didn't admit that

990
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:06.440
<v Speaker 3>she lied, they could see that she lied, and and

991
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 3>the other girls. You look like a liar when you

992
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:12.480
<v Speaker 3>could just say I know these people and yes I

993
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 3>did hear her say I hit him, I hit him.

994
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.519
<v Speaker 3>And you know what, if I don't know this woman

995
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:21.639
<v Speaker 3>and I don't have any affinity at all for Karen

996
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Reid or any fealty towards Karen Reid, I might have

997
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 3>believed her as a juror. I might I might have

998
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 3>believed Katie mclacham and her colleagues right, but she blew

999
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 3>it because she just couldn't say basic things that we

1000
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.519
<v Speaker 3>all know to be true. You say you don't know her. Well,

1001
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Speaker 3>there's the photo dummy. How do you explain that? Do

1002
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 3>you put women? And that you don't know?

1003
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1004
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 8>And another thing was like say firefight ant and trial

1005
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 8>one he thought she John was wearing a puffy jacket.

1006
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 8>And then in trial too, he's saying, oh, my memory

1007
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 8>gets better with time, little things like that.

1008
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:04.400
<v Speaker 1>That he did not.

1009
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 8>I mean, your memory gets better with time. And then

1010
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 8>you're saying you've been talking about it all around the fire.

1011
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Station, else getting fed a story to tell. Oh, that's

1012
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 3>what he was wearing. It was a sweat jacket. Okay,

1013
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 3>got it that he.

1014
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Remembers cutting a puffy jacket like he wasn't wearing one, sir?

1015
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 7>You think he spared him to that?

1016
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.760
<v Speaker 4>Like, if you're asked if you remember it gets better

1017
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 4>at a time, do not say yet, Like come on,

1018
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 4>if you lose.

1019
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Everything, Oh my god, science will prove you a liar. Yeah,

1020
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 3>if you say that, I mean it just it's just

1021
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 3>not true. And I'm I'm living proof of it. There's

1022
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.400
<v Speaker 3>so little that I remember from my past that that's

1023
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.719
<v Speaker 3>why I'm going to my high school reunion. People can

1024
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:50.639
<v Speaker 3>remind me of when an idiot I was in high

1025
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:54.559
<v Speaker 3>school and all the dumb things I did at parties,

1026
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.559
<v Speaker 3>so uh, because I don't remember, but I will be

1027
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:02.719
<v Speaker 3>reminded now remember, right, But yeah, this is a it

1028
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.599
<v Speaker 3>really was a comedy of errors. And I never really

1029
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 3>thought to thank those women for Keith Free and Karen Reid.

1030
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.559
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm going, you know, I think I'm going

1031
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:14.559
<v Speaker 3>to make a Twitter post to say thank you Jen McCabe,

1032
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe like some kind of big hug thing,

1033
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 3>thank you Katie, because you guys are you guys are

1034
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:22.119
<v Speaker 3>such terrible liars.

1035
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:25.719
<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, they really did.

1036
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll see if we're going to get better. We're

1037
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:30.519
<v Speaker 3>about out of time for tonight. I want to get

1038
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:34.760
<v Speaker 3>final thoughts from everybody, and uh, we'll see what happens

1039
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.239
<v Speaker 3>going forward. Maybe you can give us a preview via

1040
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.599
<v Speaker 3>of these what's going on in the civil case. I

1041
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 3>think they made an emotion. There's some back and forth

1042
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.360
<v Speaker 3>between the plaintiffs and Karen's team.

1043
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so the it was to.

1044
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.840
<v Speaker 8>It was to dismiss counts eight through twelve, which had

1045
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:57.480
<v Speaker 8>to do with the emotional distress because it basically that

1046
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 8>her defense is saying that they don't qualify for it.

1047
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 1>They weren't there, so they had.

1048
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.079
<v Speaker 8>They cited some case law, and you know, if that

1049
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.679
<v Speaker 8>was the case, going to a hospital when you know

1050
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 8>your loved one is injured or potentially killed, would everybody

1051
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.360
<v Speaker 8>would have that right, So you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>So I think they that's what they were saying, that

1053
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:21.000
<v Speaker 8>they have to kind of you know, they have to

1054
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:25.199
<v Speaker 8>walk a fine line with that because anybody who goes

1055
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:29.199
<v Speaker 8>to a hospital will also have that trauma. So because

1056
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 8>she wasn't there, they weren't there. But then there's also

1057
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 8>case law with the regarding to the timeframe. So I mean,

1058
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:40.519
<v Speaker 8>it's it's some back and forth. So I think Peter

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00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.840
<v Speaker 8>Trego's was discussing this today, and I think Peter Trego's

1060
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.480
<v Speaker 8>discussed this and said that basically they have to start.

1061
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:50.800
<v Speaker 8>They can't just come in and say, you know, we're

1062
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.719
<v Speaker 8>gonna requesting that we dismiss everything. They have to start

1063
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 8>with the things that don't fit. And it's a whole

1064
00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:00.519
<v Speaker 8>process because the preponderance of the evidence, I'm sorry, the

1065
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:06.440
<v Speaker 8>preponderance of the information is yeah, it's so it's.

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01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Not taken as fact, but it is.

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<v Speaker 8>So I mean, I think, you know, this is going

1068
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 8>to be a long road because she's already filed within

1069
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:19.280
<v Speaker 8>her her I'm sorry the the o'keefs filed it within

1070
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 8>their time frame.

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01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 1>This is going to be a long road, this is.

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01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:24.880
<v Speaker 8>But I mean she has set up a very nice

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01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:28.360
<v Speaker 8>I mean the fact that Elizabeth Little and Jackson joined

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01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 8>her defense team is amazing. I think there's a lot

1075
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.519
<v Speaker 8>of information and a lot of you know, good things

1076
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:36.599
<v Speaker 8>that they're going to be able to bring.

1077
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:40.519
<v Speaker 1>So, but just to kind of loop it around or

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01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:41.199
<v Speaker 1>wrap it up.

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<v Speaker 8>And my final thoughts is, you know, this is the

1080
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 8>nonsense is still continuing. It just shifted from Karen Reid

1081
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:51.719
<v Speaker 8>to Turtle Boy now and you know, obviously we wish

1082
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:54.400
<v Speaker 8>them all the best. This is I think they're both

1083
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:58.480
<v Speaker 8>going to have good you know, nineteen eighty three malicious

1084
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:03.599
<v Speaker 8>prosecution claim against the Commonwealth because everything that Turtle Boy

1085
01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:05.280
<v Speaker 8>is uncovering.

1086
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Is you know, everything exactly.

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01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:11.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, that's about what I have to say tonight, Lauren.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, no, I echo what would be it says. I'm

1090
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.840
<v Speaker 4>excited for the civil trial just because I think there's

1091
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.719
<v Speaker 4>gonna be a whole lot of more evidence coming out.

1092
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:31.320
<v Speaker 4>They're going to get those for instance, like what you said,

1093
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:34.039
<v Speaker 4>the videos and they're gonna be able to look at

1094
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.199
<v Speaker 4>them more closely and find these things that I think

1095
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:39.519
<v Speaker 4>that you know, they possibly could find that it was

1096
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:41.360
<v Speaker 4>tampered with and all of that thing. So I think

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01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:44.599
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of really great stuff that can can

1098
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.480
<v Speaker 4>happen with that. And I'm waiting for the nineteen eighty

1099
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:51.519
<v Speaker 4>three suit to be dropped because that would be amazing.

1100
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.920
<v Speaker 4>But basically I say too, like, I know, you guys

1101
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.519
<v Speaker 4>did an awesome show and fundraiser for Turtle Boy, but

1102
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.159
<v Speaker 4>today it was an another reason why if we can

1103
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.960
<v Speaker 4>donate to his fund, we need to because there's another

1104
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:09.280
<v Speaker 4>hearing now a month from now that his attorneys have

1105
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.800
<v Speaker 4>to come in spend more of their time. That's more money,

1106
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.920
<v Speaker 4>and we don't even know what is going to happen

1107
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.280
<v Speaker 4>at that hearing. You know, they're going to keep kicking

1108
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:20.199
<v Speaker 4>the can or they're actually going to do something. So

1109
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:24.000
<v Speaker 4>he needs our help. So yeah, just keep donating if

1110
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:24.400
<v Speaker 4>you can.

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01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:26.000
<v Speaker 7>And every little.

1112
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Bits I can't disagree with you. Absolutely it's they're going

1113
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 3>to try to drain him of his funds and of Karen.

1114
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you heard her attorney interview, this

1115
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:44.119
<v Speaker 3>new attorney, this is her second civil attorney prior to

1116
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:47.679
<v Speaker 3>Jackson in Eliza a little joining and I don't recall

1117
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.400
<v Speaker 3>his name, but I heard him interviewed by Larry Foreman,

1118
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:55.360
<v Speaker 3>who is the DUI guy, another attorney, and this guy's

1119
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.519
<v Speaker 3>an Afri Connor like he was a classmate in law

1120
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:03.119
<v Speaker 3>school of Thank Brennan, Like, what are the chances that

1121
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Karen would have an African or a South African guy

1122
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 3>as her attorney who was a classmate of Fred and lost?

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01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:17.719
<v Speaker 3>And he is sharp as attack being interviewed by another attorney.

1124
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:19.440
<v Speaker 3>He was as sharp as can be.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna have to look for that now.

1126
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's yeah, it was. It was a great interview

1127
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.159
<v Speaker 3>by d u I guy Larry Foreman, who we almost

1128
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:32.480
<v Speaker 3>got on the show We're over two. He was scheduled twice,

1129
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.599
<v Speaker 3>hasn't appeared yet, but who knows. Maybe you know, we're

1130
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:39.480
<v Speaker 3>not dead yet. So thank you Lauren for taking the

1131
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:45.159
<v Speaker 3>time to join us, for asking every time you're on.

1132
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:48.559
<v Speaker 3>You you just like fit so well with the two

1133
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.719
<v Speaker 3>of us, so we just love having you on.

1134
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:57.119
<v Speaker 4>So and make sure and make sure everyone's following her

1135
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:57.840
<v Speaker 4>on X.

1136
01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:59.559
<v Speaker 1>What's your ex handle?

1137
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:06.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's Lauren Katie, Okay, at Lauren Katie and yeah,

1138
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 3>so we got to have you. Well, she's got her

1139
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 3>her bitness hand. Or if you need a private investigator

1140
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:17.159
<v Speaker 3>and you are in the southeast, private investor investigator Lauren Valucci. Uh,

1141
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure if you're this sharp here, you're even

1142
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.920
<v Speaker 3>more sharp at what you do for a living. And yeah,

1143
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.480
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, if you ever want to have

1144
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.559
<v Speaker 3>a feeling like hey, I want to go on and

1145
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:33.119
<v Speaker 3>talk about something, you can always just message me or

1146
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:35.400
<v Speaker 3>be and we're gonna get you on. So thank you

1147
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:39.480
<v Speaker 3>so much, Thank you guys, thank you all right on

1148
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.920
<v Speaker 3>behalf of Lauren Katy in Boston, Bia. This is DJ

1149
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:47.119
<v Speaker 3>saying peace out, one love and as you know, we'll

1150
01:04:47.119 --> 01:05:16.599
<v Speaker 3>see you down the road.
