Speaker 1: Welcome back to Making It. So this is episode number
Speaker 1: forty seven. On this one, we are covering Star Trek
Speaker 1: Strange New World's season four episode one, Vallas MARINERUS. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Craig and my co host all the way
Speaker 1: from the US, Steve. Hey, you going, buddy?
Speaker 2: How are we doing?
Speaker 1: I am freezing my ass off right now. It is
Speaker 1: the coldest winter morning in Australia in Queensland that we've
Speaker 1: had so far. And it might not sound a lot
Speaker 1: to you guys where you're from, but it's only five
Speaker 1: degrees celsius here, which is that's fucking cold. It was
Speaker 1: ten degrees at the same time yesterday, so we've literally.
Speaker 2: Had the seeing is no I only deal with freedom units.
Speaker 2: I don't really know what that even means, but I
Speaker 2: do know it's hot as balls over here and I
Speaker 2: went through back right now.
Speaker 1: This season, Maddie. He's too busy with work and everything
Speaker 1: else going on in his life at the moment, so
Speaker 1: I think Steve's probably going to join us for most
Speaker 1: of this season. Not only we doing the normal podcast
Speaker 1: using just the audio medium, I'm a video recording this
Speaker 1: for the first time as well, so I might chuck
Speaker 1: it up on my YouTube, so we'll see what goes
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 2: It just depends on how many times I pick my nerves.
Speaker 1: I really don't care. Like I'm definitely not going to
Speaker 1: blur anything out mate, So yeah, behave anyway, so you
Speaker 1: can hear that nicely. Steva here clear as David excellent.
Speaker 1: All right, So spoilers. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: heavy spoiler chat for season four, episode one of Star
Speaker 1: Trek Strange New Worlds Vallas Marinerus. If you haven't seen
Speaker 1: the episode and you don't want to be spoiled, just
Speaker 1: to pause this podcast right now and go away and
Speaker 1: watch the episode. If you don't mind being spoiled, Yeah,
Speaker 1: come listen, you know, all.
Speaker 2: Right, and I'm going to spoil my teake on it.
Speaker 2: Go and watch it, Go and watch it.
Speaker 1: Well before were we actually start talking about it too much.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the synopsis and I'm going to read
Speaker 1: the synopsis off of Prime Video here in Australia. It
Speaker 1: says Pike leads the crew into a stellar storm, which
Speaker 1: sends the Enterprise back sixty five million years to the
Speaker 1: time of the dinosaurs. The crew must find their way
Speaker 1: home before their actions affect the past. And change the
Speaker 1: distant future. Okay, I deliberately made sure that I didn't
Speaker 1: read the synopsis before the episode. I didn't even read
Speaker 1: the name of the episode, jam, But I got curious
Speaker 1: once I did sort of turn it on, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is Valus Marinerus? And then obviously they sort of
Speaker 1: spoke about it throughout the episode. But the Valas Marinerus
Speaker 1: is the largest canyon system in the Solar System. It
Speaker 1: stretches over four thousand kilometers or for Steve two five
Speaker 1: hundred miles. It's up to six hundred kilometers wide or
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy miles, and up to seven kilometers
Speaker 1: or twenty three thousand feet deep. It's located along the
Speaker 1: marsh and Equator and is roughly ten times longer and
Speaker 1: five times deeper than Earth's Grand Canyon, all right, and
Speaker 1: just massive. Yeah. They've got a picture of it here
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at on the Google and it's got
Speaker 1: a map of the US superposed over it, and it's
Speaker 1: actually longer than the US is wide. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been to the Grand Canyon and that
Speaker 2: is something to behold. But they can only imagine what
Speaker 2: that would look like.
Speaker 1: It's like a massive scar on the surface of Mars.
Speaker 1: So as we get through, we'll.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so the season or this sorry, this episode opens
Speaker 1: up with a season recap, and I guess the biggest
Speaker 1: thing from the recap Captain Bettel, you know, Captain Pike's
Speaker 1: girlprind Gone, you know, and spoken la they're sort of
Speaker 1: a they're a thing to use. What a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six sort of thing. They're in a situationship? I guess
Speaker 1: are they still yeah? Yeah, well they definitely got something
Speaker 1: going on. We'll The episode itself opens on the surface
Speaker 1: of a planet, and I didn't really catch the name
Speaker 1: of the planet. With Pike, Laan and then Benga riding horses,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a pretty cool looking planet. It
Speaker 1: was very desert like but rusty looking. It's sort of
Speaker 1: it reminded me of like some of the Old West
Speaker 1: in the US.
Speaker 2: Yes, the thing, Yeah, that's what the vibe I got
Speaker 2: off it right away. Did you we doing like a.
Speaker 1: Hollow deck or is this did you not? Laan was
Speaker 1: carrying a six shooter on her hip as well. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a phaser, it was a six.
Speaker 2: Shoot that's something you pointed out. But like I did
Speaker 2: not notice that at all. But what I was saying
Speaker 2: before is I did notice that there was that she
Speaker 2: had like a bullet belt on whatever that might be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I noticed in one of the behind the
Speaker 1: scenes photos as well, you could quite clearly see that
Speaker 1: it was a revolver on her hip, which is cool
Speaker 1: core that was carrying a phaser pistol. That was really
Speaker 1: from them. They went for the whole aesthetic, they really did.
Speaker 1: I have a really, I have a question, all right,
Speaker 1: So that they beamed up to the Enterprise, what happened
Speaker 1: to the horse? Where the horses?
Speaker 2: Though you've never heard of the USS Enterprise steeble Master, Well,
Speaker 2: I'm thin the horses back that's the cargo B three.
Speaker 1: I'm actually wondering if they were horses that were on
Speaker 1: the Enterprise and they did beam them up into like
Speaker 1: a cargo bay or something like that, or if they
Speaker 1: just left them on the planet.
Speaker 2: And that just pipped into my hand to that maybe
Speaker 2: they would just clumbered while they were at the planet
Speaker 2: or acquired they were at the planet and they're just
Speaker 2: being themselves back up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, they were there for a was it to
Speaker 1: hand out some vaccines to some locals on the planet.
Speaker 1: Now they didn't say if they it was a human
Speaker 1: colony or not that I picked up or not. Now
Speaker 1: I didn't heal either, you know, but it was interesting
Speaker 1: that Pike did take his own saddle, and they did
Speaker 1: look like they were Earth type horses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like the horses from Revenge. Was it
Speaker 2: that Revenge of the Jetto or whatever it was the
Speaker 2: newest one. Yeah, you know what I mean. They have
Speaker 2: the space horses that were working on the ship with sticks,
Speaker 2: legs or whatever they were.
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool though, and it obviously goes
Speaker 1: all the way back to the very first episode of
Speaker 1: Ye ob there and Pike loves his horses, which is
Speaker 1: pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I did like that callback. I noticed that rode away.
Speaker 1: I say, now, the saddlers in just about every episode,
Speaker 1: if not every episode.
Speaker 2: Because it's hinge on his wall, right, Oh, it sits
Speaker 2: in his ready room. That's what it was a conference
Speaker 2: room because it seems.
Speaker 1: To double us both Spock meets them in the transporter
Speaker 1: room and he's actually not there to meet the captain.
Speaker 1: He's there to meet la arm So and you don't
Speaker 1: don't agree or no, no, it's out yeah, so he Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're definitely still a thing, and she invites him
Speaker 1: back to her quarters to help her take her boots
Speaker 1: off because it's rather difficulked.
Speaker 2: Apparently, sometimes you need to help taking your boots after
Speaker 2: you in a while, you.
Speaker 1: Just taking your jacket off, taking your underwear off, like
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been around horse people, Steve,
Speaker 1: but they kind of have a horse smell. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I grew up next to one. Actually
Speaker 1: that in a donkey.
Speaker 2: They have a couple of pitbulls, some chickens, an interesting
Speaker 2: little little spot in the middle of the suburbia.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it right now. I'm probably
Speaker 1: need to shower before her and spot get down with anything,
Speaker 1: especially with his vulcan nose. You would take your smell
Speaker 1: on like that, to have.
Speaker 2: A sip of my Earl Gray tee that I've got
Speaker 2: going on here, Earl Gray hot it is, except it's milk,
Speaker 2: and get my New York American Ferotogla water.
Speaker 1: Just a nice big blue bottle of water. Okay. So
Speaker 1: next we go back to Pike's ready room and UNA's
Speaker 1: in there with Pike, and she's talking about how busy
Speaker 1: they have been in the last six months, so essentially
Speaker 1: it's been six months since Marie Bttel has died by
Speaker 1: the sounds of it, and Pike has been keeping himself
Speaker 1: distracted by keeping the Enterprise busy with missions. Now is
Speaker 1: that fair to the crew? Probably not. And UNA's basically
Speaker 1: saying that they need a break because it's just it's
Speaker 1: been too busy. Yeah, yeah, she's She is also asking
Speaker 1: that maybe she could do an away mission at some
Speaker 1: point as well, because as much as she loves commanding
Speaker 1: the Enterprise, while he's down doing away missions. Like, realistically,
Speaker 1: as we know, the captain should be really staying on
Speaker 1: the ship and the number one should be off doing
Speaker 1: the away missions.
Speaker 2: But as we've seen through our Star Trek, that's number
Speaker 2: the case. The full complement of officers goes down to
Speaker 2: the planet at all times. It's the wild I'll never
Speaker 2: understand that. Let's say that science officer, I'm medical chief
Speaker 2: and medical like everybody just.
Speaker 1: You know, the whole senior stuff. Yeah people every night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Admiral April comes to visit as well, and he's talking
Speaker 1: to Captain Pike about promotion.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, Chris really doesn't want it. He wants to stay
Speaker 1: on the Enterprise, and I don't blame him, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: even Kirk he wanted to stay on the Enterprise. Picard
Speaker 1: he wanted to stay on the Enterprise. Everybody stays longer
Speaker 1: than they probably should, and I don't blame them, because
Speaker 1: you know, who wants an office job at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, especially if you're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to you're going to miss that action
Speaker 2: one hundred per especially with dealing it on a daily
Speaker 2: basis as well, because you're going to be coordinating with
Speaker 2: other captains and seeing what they're doing on field. So
Speaker 2: he's going to miss it every day if he does that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like when I was in the Army, I avoided
Speaker 1: promotion for quite a while so I could still continue
Speaker 1: being a frontline soldier. But yeah, I still ended up
Speaker 1: in an office at the end.
Speaker 2: Anybody took a little bit longer, though, definitely did take
Speaker 2: a bit longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Pike gets his next mission the next mission. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is basically what sets us up for the whole episode. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: or tagus. She's talking to her about Scottie putting alarms
Speaker 1: on her console because as we know, Erica likes to
Speaker 1: push the ship quite hard. As she's piloting and probably
Speaker 1: goes past the design parameters of the ship, and Scotty's
Speaker 1: trying to protect the ship as a good engineer and
Speaker 1: it's really not like that now.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, so obviously this is a little combat
Speaker 2: to when he was more cautious, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, she's having a bit of a
Speaker 1: complaint about that. Hourah is distracted in that conversation because
Speaker 1: they've got a new staff leet cadet from the Academy
Speaker 1: on board, like when she first came on board, and
Speaker 1: she's going to be mentoring her. Now, this is a
Speaker 1: young Vulcan lady. I didn't catch her name, but I
Speaker 1: did not either, And she seems rude, this vulcan. Like
Speaker 1: is it that she's very rude or is it that
Speaker 1: the writers just don't understand how to write a Vulcan.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen it.
Speaker 2: I think a numerous amounts of different Vulcans and how
Speaker 2: they interact with humans throughout the different shows, and I
Speaker 2: think that's pretty much on power for most one hundred
Speaker 2: Vulcans with no mixed blood, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: even to.
Speaker 1: Like to stand up.
Speaker 2: She seems very Maybe she's like the like to begin with,
Speaker 2: she to be mean, but maybe she's the Asperger's the
Speaker 2: Fulcan because she seemed very very focused on whatever whatever
Speaker 2: she was focused on, which was nothing to do with
Speaker 2: anybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was very very abrasive this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So her had been practicing her Vulcan with Spock, but
Speaker 1: then apparently she was terrible at it and she had
Speaker 1: a very bad accent, and the cadet asked her not
Speaker 1: to speak Vulcan's good. Yeah, it was like for a
Speaker 1: cadet to be speaking to a commissioned officer that way.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, coming from my military background
Speaker 1: and everything, I was like, oh damn, that's really pushing it.
Speaker 2: Well, so one thing with the whole house, how she acts, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but how she reacted to it. I said, you know,
Speaker 2: she is definitely Vulcan, but at the same time, you
Speaker 2: would think that somebody who's progressed that far in either
Speaker 2: the Vulcan Science Academy, which I think she was rejected from.
Speaker 2: I think she said at one point or the starts
Speaker 2: with the academy that she would know normal mannerisms and
Speaker 2: normal social you know, cues from humans because she was
Speaker 2: just trying obviously to be nice and connect with her.
Speaker 2: But she didn't get that one, not like not at all,
Speaker 2: which was kind of odd.
Speaker 1: Actually, No, I suppose yeah, coming from a different culture,
Speaker 1: like she doesn't understand humans and she doesn't understand how
Speaker 1: we react to things, and so she's this is probably
Speaker 1: her first like real interaction with humans apart from it,
Speaker 1: like she would.
Speaker 2: Have had you, Well, that's what I mean though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like she would have had that a little
Speaker 2: bit more interactions. And if she's reached that level of
Speaker 2: intellect and in where she's at in her career, you'd
Speaker 2: think that that that one thing as simple as they
Speaker 2: could gesture from somebody that should be able to understand.
Speaker 2: I know, Vulcans don't really deal with emotions, and they
Speaker 2: are definitely a different species, but they definitely understand emotions,
Speaker 2: I guess to a point.
Speaker 1: Do you remember in the I don't know if you
Speaker 1: actually watched this when Tallinn came over to the Critos
Speaker 1: in lower Decks she came straight from a Vulcan ship.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even that abrasive, and she'd comes straight from
Speaker 1: working on a Vulcan ship, where she'd come out of
Speaker 1: the Vulcan science Academy, and so she hadn't had a
Speaker 1: lot to do with humans.
Speaker 2: And she was like, she wasn't part of Star a
Speaker 2: Fleet at all.
Speaker 1: So she was on like a exchange program essentially. But
Speaker 1: she's what I mean, she was wearing a Starfleet uniform.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she she came over directly from a Vulcan ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never.
Speaker 2: Seen the show, as you know. So yeah, I've tried.
Speaker 2: I've tried, but yet Steve and I are somehow still friends.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. Okay, So they go
Speaker 1: on the mission that am April sent them on, and
Speaker 1: there is a Category ten interstellar squall. It's not a
Speaker 1: very common thing, but Pellia interestingly, she says that she
Speaker 1: saw one a long time ago ago from a phone box.
Speaker 1: Now that is definitely what did she say? She said
Speaker 1: that she's seen one a long time ago from a phone.
Speaker 2: Box colon blocks but a phone booth, phone booths. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that is definitely a Doctor Who reference. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so there is somebody on the writing staff for this
Speaker 2: show that is a massive Doctor Who fan. Not only
Speaker 2: have we seen we've seen the phone the police phone
Speaker 2: box from Doctor Who last season. Very quickly, Yeah, Pellia
Speaker 2: has mentioned a couple of Doctor Who things a couple
Speaker 2: of times, so, and apparently early on in Star Trek
Speaker 2: they were trying to do a crossover between Doctor Who
Speaker 2: and Star Trek, but it never happened because of different
Speaker 2: studios and different countries and all that sort of stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they say they're a shared universe. That's what they claim,
Speaker 2: at least a pseudo shared universe like non Cannon.
Speaker 1: It could work, it could work good. But when she
Speaker 1: did say that, Pike's face was like a little bit
Speaker 1: of like, what are you talking about? Confusion? It was
Speaker 1: pretty funny. So apparently this squawl is around a star
Speaker 1: and there's no they've got no idea why Ryan, but
Speaker 1: Spock is very concerned about the ship being destroyed if
Speaker 1: they get too close to it, so her she picks
Speaker 1: up a calm signal from inside the storm with a
Speaker 1: may day. So obviously, as the Enterprise does, and Pike
Speaker 1: orders Erica take us in so you know, we can
Speaker 1: try and help. Essentially, this next part is the one
Speaker 1: part that really really annoyed me about this episode, and
Speaker 1: it's unnecessary and it reminds me of that terrible Stargate origin.
Speaker 1: The scene where they spin the camera around as the
Speaker 1: ship was spiraling into this storm. The camera is just
Speaker 1: spinning around and around and around, and.
Speaker 2: Like, why, terrible choice, terrible choice with a show full
Speaker 2: of beautiful film work or you know, film whatever you
Speaker 2: want to go, film work, animation, c G.
Speaker 1: I that was so bad, Like the director of episode,
Speaker 1: Chris Fisher, like, bro, come on, like they just do
Speaker 1: that to us. It didn't need to happen, mate, But
Speaker 1: I guess it was a choice. It was a choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was just where I really got into
Speaker 2: the episode. By the way, this right after this is
Speaker 2: where I started going because I had my my my
Speaker 2: my walls up and my my barriers up because I
Speaker 2: really loved last season what was season before? So I've
Speaker 2: been kind of cautious on this, and that's just where
Speaker 2: I felt like completely into the show when I was
Speaker 2: one one hundred gig.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, last season, didn't They blame last season on
Speaker 1: like the right strike and you know how they didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of time or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it happened still there, It definitely happened. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of bad choices in my opinion, but and
Speaker 2: I just some people love it, but I just hard
Speaker 2: know the hardest of No.
Speaker 1: I have heard that this is the worst of the
Speaker 1: first six episodes of the season, and I'm like, if
Speaker 1: that is, If this is the worst of the first
Speaker 1: six episodes, I'm pretty impressed. So like, well, well we'll see.
Speaker 1: But Erica tries to reverse them out of this space
Speaker 1: storm thing, but the Enterprise gets caught and sucked in.
Speaker 1: So when they get sucked in, it like cuts for
Speaker 1: a second, and then we go back to the Enterprise
Speaker 1: and life support is the only thing that's working essentially,
Speaker 1: so they've got no weapons, no shields.
Speaker 2: And the ship is still spinning, just we're not seeing
Speaker 2: it through the camera. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So according to Scotty, they've lost their iridium, so
Speaker 1: they can't relight the warp Corps. So is that something
Speaker 1: we've heard before that we need a ridiom to relight
Speaker 1: the warp Corps.
Speaker 2: I was kind of curious about how they last it.
Speaker 2: I didn't really understand that part or what happened to
Speaker 2: make them lose power during that storm. Did their systems
Speaker 2: get fried? Like I didn't understand that part.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, like the systems get fried, yep, cool, But yeah,
Speaker 1: why is there a ridium all gone like somehow did
Speaker 1: the storm suck it out or like yeah that's what
Speaker 1: made me Yeah, okay cool, But yeah, I've never heard
Speaker 1: that we need iridium to you know, ignite the warp
Speaker 1: corps or ignite the warp engines at least.
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, we got hardcore TRACKI fans, But this has
Speaker 2: been established since the original series.
Speaker 1: Book or something somewhere. They can't determine where they are,
Speaker 1: so in the universe or in the galaxy, they've got
Speaker 1: no idea at this point, like they've been sucked into
Speaker 1: this storm and they've got no idea where they are. However,
Speaker 1: they can detect iridium on the nearest planet to them,
Speaker 1: am like okay, all right, well that's quite convenient that
Speaker 1: they've got some very close to where they they are.
Speaker 1: So they decide that Uner is going to take a
Speaker 1: shuttle mission down and she takes Lan and Erica with her. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they go down to this planet on the shuttle. Now,
Speaker 1: when they open up the side of the shuttle to
Speaker 1: get out, it puts out this little i'm gonna call
Speaker 1: it a little ramp bridge thing that goes onto the
Speaker 1: cell on the shuttle. But it's like there's like a
Speaker 1: part on the cell that opens up as well, so
Speaker 1: the bridge can go across onto it. It's I actually
Speaker 1: didn't mind it. I didn't mind it either, but it
Speaker 1: was I don't know, I've not seen that before, But
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you make it so the door was just
Speaker 1: a little bit higher so it didn't need to do
Speaker 1: or the.
Speaker 2: Door was on the back of the ship where there's
Speaker 2: no engine.
Speaker 1: It's got a ramp on the back, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, usually I want to say the shuttle pudged
Speaker 2: from that era where they released from the back. I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I knew the door on the side,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was interesting anyway. I liked it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was smooth. I thought it was it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't like interfere with the n cell, so I knew.
Speaker 2: I knew that was going to be. Like people will
Speaker 2: be like, good, what the hell's going on there? But
Speaker 2: it doesn't interfere with the ntelle though.
Speaker 1: It was something I wasn't expecting. Like not that it's
Speaker 1: bad at all, it was just different, and it seems
Speaker 1: like a different It seems like a redundant thing to have.
Speaker 2: Like you just I think they wanted something cool, if
Speaker 2: like for the ship and it'sthetically pleasing for them to
Speaker 2: get out of it or just you know, new technology whatever,
Speaker 2: and they decided to go with that. I didn't hate it,
Speaker 2: but like you're saying, unnecessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I've said this all the way along with
Speaker 1: this new Trek like strange New Worlds Discovery, and that
Speaker 1: the visuals in this show absolutely stunning. They the CGI
Speaker 1: that in the ar wall thing that they use, it
Speaker 1: is all on point now on this planet, like we
Speaker 1: could see volcanoes and it looked stunning like New World
Speaker 1: to the CGI team, well done, like absolutely, Like even
Speaker 1: the planet where they were riding the horses around earlier,
Speaker 1: like that was cool as well, Like somehow there's on
Speaker 1: that planet where the horses were, there was like floating
Speaker 1: rock formations. So I'm not sure how the gravity works
Speaker 1: on that particular planet. But on this planet, which you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we're talking spoilers here, we end up pointing out
Speaker 1: that this planet that they're on now is Earth. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so Lar detects a large life sign ahead of them,
Speaker 1: and it's in between them and where the iridium is
Speaker 1: and apparently there's no way around now there's an entire
Speaker 1: planet there. How is there no way around? Like if
Speaker 1: they'd have said that the exact thing, there's no fast
Speaker 1: way around. They denied how to deal with the data
Speaker 1: store at all, Like t rex in there, let's not
Speaker 1: deal with a t rex, Sally. It was so weird, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's the only way on the entire player that we
Speaker 1: go is right there. We have to knock him out,
Speaker 1: that's what Yeah, okay, yeah, Lane, She tries to stun
Speaker 1: the dinosaur.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which yeh, as we say, is a t rex.
Speaker 2: Now I knew that by seeing the ass of it,
Speaker 2: by the way my fault the tail and the like
Speaker 2: the backside of it when he was ripping something at
Speaker 2: a part, But I knew it was a t rex.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what else can that be? It's going
Speaker 2: to be like a t rex or something. I just
Speaker 2: think that my head.
Speaker 1: Where I was like, is this Earth?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I really didn't started thinking that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point, they have not figured out that
Speaker 1: it is Earth exactly. Some of the people watching it
Speaker 1: may have like I didn't figure it out at this point,
Speaker 1: but then when I actually saw the dinosaur, I was like,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely a t Rex. Like, so Erica and
Speaker 1: Scotty have got some massive bands. Are things going on?
Speaker 1: Do you think they're setting up some sort of a
Speaker 1: relationship here, like you know, like they're always they're like
Speaker 1: arguing with each other all the time.
Speaker 2: I think, I think all these characters, I think the
Speaker 2: characters that may interact with Scotti is what shapes him
Speaker 2: to who he is and what we see in the
Speaker 2: original series, because the Scarti that we see now we've
Speaker 2: seen glimpses of what you know discardis that we know.
Speaker 2: But he's definitely more refrained and more by the book,
Speaker 2: So I think he changes as time goes on. So
Speaker 2: maybe it's just like a character challenge. But I don't
Speaker 2: really see relationship wise, But.
Speaker 1: At this point he seems like a little bit.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I'm getting at, Like he
Speaker 2: seems kind of like refrained or or just by the book,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want anything bad to happen by any means necessary.
Speaker 2: By adding blinking like light blinking lights to every kind
Speaker 2: of fail safe in the freaking and the ship or
Speaker 2: any kind of indicator, it's it's it's it's odd, definitely,
Speaker 2: And he's so far you're at this point, Appellier is
Speaker 2: still the chief engineer of the Enterprise.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's there's definitely something I can never understand.
Speaker 1: By the way, really I can't understand.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I can't understand it. I try.
Speaker 2: I put the subtable.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm still wondering if they are trying to
Speaker 1: set up some sort of a relationship between these two,
Speaker 1: like maybe we're leading into this season where they have
Speaker 1: like a one night stand or something. Who knows, they're
Speaker 1: both the same rank, so it wouldn't be a problem
Speaker 1: that way. But anyway, the Enterprise is grabbed in some
Speaker 1: sort of I'm going to call it a tractor beam,
Speaker 1: but it's not exactly a tractor beam as we would know,
Speaker 1: but some sort of rule. Yeah, another electrical holder. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: wouldn't attractor beam be some sort of an electrical holder anyway?
Speaker 1: It looked like a lot of light, yeah, true. Hold. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: this is where we actually get the opening credits for
Speaker 1: the show, and we are fifteen minutes and forty five
Speaker 1: seconds in.
Speaker 2: I love that it was such.
Speaker 1: A massive, like opening part before the credits. It's probably
Speaker 1: the longest we've had in Strange New Worlds. Well, I
Speaker 1: could be wrong on that, but it's the longest in my.
Speaker 2: Memory anyway, So you know what, just that whole build
Speaker 2: up that fifteen minutes there and then for them, because
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's been a minute since the show
Speaker 2: has been on since season three or whatever, going into
Speaker 2: the opening, which I absolutely love. I love the opening
Speaker 2: of the show. I loved the song, I love the score,
Speaker 2: I love the visuals of it all. It got me
Speaker 2: right back into it, and it got me kind of
Speaker 2: pumped up in the middle of the show, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it was like boom right into
Speaker 2: the right into the opening, and I'm like I almost
Speaker 2: swore right there trying not to.
Speaker 1: How good is the opening? I love it. I love
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Brilliant, and I love I love all the openings, even
Speaker 2: the show is I don't well maybe not the sad
Speaker 2: track Academy, but I love even in even Discovery, I
Speaker 2: don't mind the opening to it. And you know how
Speaker 2: I feel about the enterprise.
Speaker 1: So they this is probably my favorite opening music of
Speaker 1: any of the Star Trek shows. It really is. I
Speaker 1: absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: Something hits me different with this with these three particular
Speaker 2: the next Generation, Deep Space nine and Voyager. Something hits
Speaker 2: me deep with those, I just nothing can compare to
Speaker 2: those in my in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Look, this is gonna be I even loved the opening
Speaker 1: stuff for Enterprise and hate me for it people, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I even liked that.
Speaker 2: I really loved it actually, and I didn't know everybody
Speaker 2: hated it because I came in, like I'm a huge sciphier,
Speaker 2: but as craignis, I came into Star Trek later and like,
Speaker 2: I just watched them all on my own without any
Speaker 2: connection to any fandom. So when I when I found
Speaker 2: out that everybody didn't want that phone, it's like, man,
Speaker 2: I fucking sing along do and.
Speaker 1: Every time it comes on, I'm bumped here and every time,
Speaker 1: And I honestly think it's more people these days complaining
Speaker 1: about it because like when we watched it very early,
Speaker 1: when I watched it, at least, it was very early
Speaker 1: internet days, so there wasn't so many like message boards
Speaker 1: and YouTube videos and stuff for people complaining about this blugs.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even podcasts and things for people to have
Speaker 1: a wind about them. But blugs were big. The blugs
Speaker 1: were big. They were big during the whole opening title
Speaker 1: sequence of the show here. I think they've changed a
Speaker 1: couple of little things in there. Did you notice there
Speaker 1: was one part where it was sort of black and
Speaker 1: white and it looked like there was an old school
Speaker 1: like blimp and things.
Speaker 2: I thought it's so city at one point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was. I noticed that brown. I
Speaker 1: think it's what Starbase one I think they call it.
Speaker 1: With the ships towards the end there, I think there's
Speaker 1: a couple of new ships in there as well, and
Speaker 1: they might have moved a couple of things around, but
Speaker 1: there were I think there's a little a couple of
Speaker 1: little things in there that are hinting towards what we're
Speaker 1: going to see in the rest of the season. So
Speaker 1: and like I said earlier, I haven't looked at the
Speaker 1: names of the titles of any of the episodes of
Speaker 1: the season yet. I haven't looked at into what any
Speaker 1: of the episodes are supposed to be about, which is.
Speaker 2: Great because I really I don't want trailers or anything
Speaker 2: when it comes to a show of it in a
Speaker 2: franchise that I'm like, he does my bottle that I'm
Speaker 2: super invested in, I don't touch anything to do with
Speaker 2: it until it actually comes out and then I just
Speaker 2: gd like dive right into it.
Speaker 1: You know. I also noticed it said the Anson Mount
Speaker 1: is now an executive producer, Like was he an executive
Speaker 1: producer before? I didn't think he was now.
Speaker 2: But as we know before, like so many of these
Speaker 2: actors that have been on Star Trek have taken on
Speaker 2: you know, producing, riting, you know what I mean, even
Speaker 2: in Stargate. You know, it was a man it's happening,
Speaker 2: you know. Obviously did a bunch of episodes too there
Speaker 2: before she took over to Sanctuary as well.
Speaker 1: So Chris Judge wrote a couple episodes and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's huge with Star Trek. Actually a lot
Speaker 2: of the actors of I mean, Jonathan Frakes being the
Speaker 2: number one, like he still doesn't.
Speaker 1: Speaking of hashtag safetargate, come on, Like I have been
Speaker 1: posting NonStop on my geek Can Camo account on Instagram
Speaker 1: like save Stargate, Like it's it's been brilliant looking at
Speaker 1: all of Amazon MGM's posts on Facebook and Instagram and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That's just full of save Stargate from
Speaker 1: all the fans, like hair like and not save it
Speaker 1: at this point is beyond me.
Speaker 2: You know, it's frustrating, Craig. It's just that all us
Speaker 2: Star Trek fans are obviously stands of all different kinds
Speaker 2: of sci fi, whether it's bad one five, which you
Speaker 2: know is huge to me, it's as well as Stargate.
Speaker 2: It's so frustrating to know that like shows like like
Speaker 2: franchises like Stargate have the backing, but Stargate won't, even
Speaker 2: though it's it's it's re showed or four shows at
Speaker 2: this point, multiple movies, a massive fan base. You know,
Speaker 2: one of their shows lasted ten years. I can't believe
Speaker 2: they would even announce it and then cancel it again. Regardless,
Speaker 2: we can go on about that forever, but it's very inferior.
Speaker 2: It's disappointing.
Speaker 1: Well, Steve and I might have to have another chat
Speaker 1: about that my owner channel, because there's this going out
Speaker 1: on the Get into Geek channel with our friends from
Speaker 1: the Get into Gate. But all right, so the Enterprise
Speaker 1: is still in that tractor beam. I'm just gonna call
Speaker 1: it a tractor beam, and apparently the Universal Translator is
Speaker 1: still working, so they can't get out of this tractor beam.
Speaker 1: So Pike is like, well, let's try and talk to
Speaker 1: them so and the way he says it to them,
Speaker 1: he's like, you have accidentally taken hold of our ship.
Speaker 1: And then battle Commander Cassel she comes back and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: we haven't accidentally taken hold of this ship, like we've
Speaker 1: done it. I cook your ship it is now May
Speaker 1: claimed it as salvage. Basically, she looks familiar, and I'm
Speaker 1: not exactly sure what she's been in that I might
Speaker 1: have seen for.
Speaker 2: I said the same thing, you know what, dude, she
Speaker 2: reminded me of that old school star trek random actor
Speaker 2: that would come in and just be an absolute force,
Speaker 2: whether it's just a single episode or night. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't know what I mean about that, right, Like
Speaker 2: whether it's an old British actor or something like that.
Speaker 2: She was really really really really good.
Speaker 1: Like the character in this was excellent, like as a
Speaker 1: like as I'm going to say, the bad guy of
Speaker 1: the week in this episode, Like she wasn't the typical
Speaker 1: bad guy that just wants to absolutely end us. She
Speaker 1: was the bad guy that you know, not only well
Speaker 1: doesn't really want to end us per se, she just
Speaker 1: wants our technology, you know, to protect.
Speaker 2: Her own exactly and she'll go do that at all
Speaker 2: cost and without knowing the outcome. Yeah, what the ramifications
Speaker 2: might be ramification?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So back on the planet, the away team
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out how to get past the dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: For no reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah this yeah, still good, but still good. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like to me, it looked like you
Speaker 1: could probably walk around, but yes, it would have taken
Speaker 1: a bit longer, like as someone that spent half of
Speaker 1: his career walking on two legs around the place, Like, yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to take an extra hour or so,
Speaker 1: you know it. Does the Enterprise have that time? I
Speaker 1: don't know, like that, if they'd have just put like
Speaker 1: a time crunch on it to go, hey, we don't
Speaker 1: have the time for this, because you know.
Speaker 2: It'll take us an hour to get down that valley
Speaker 2: an hour backup, you'll all be clear ways through that
Speaker 2: way right there.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I guess they did have a time
Speaker 1: crunch because the Enterprise was caught. But did they even
Speaker 1: realize that the Enterprise was caught at that point? I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I can't even remember.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's communication between them and the ship
Speaker 2: was there at that point.
Speaker 1: No, there was, because Erica was talking of Scottie on
Speaker 1: the So now the question is asked, are their captors prewarp?
Speaker 1: Now the technology of their ship would suggest that they're not,
Speaker 1: But okay, maybe they are prewarp and they're only they
Speaker 1: are caught within their own solar system here, So now
Speaker 1: we learn that they don't. Yeah, yeah, it's totally different.
Speaker 1: That ship was. You had the technology to grab hold
Speaker 1: of the Enterprise and hold on to it, but they
Speaker 1: didn't have very good weapons. So, which obviously is a
Speaker 1: lot of the premise of the episodes. This this crew
Speaker 1: was Captain Cassel that her planet is at war with
Speaker 1: a neighboring planet with a species called the Doldrum. So
Speaker 1: Chris invites her on board, and what he uses to
Speaker 1: invite her on board is the premise of her seeing
Speaker 1: their weapons, because you know they're at war. But at
Speaker 1: this point, if they're a pre warp civilization, we shouldn't
Speaker 1: be interacting with them so much. But I guess they've
Speaker 1: really got no choice, and that is sort of spoken
Speaker 1: about really in the episode.
Speaker 2: But the amount of time said steuiffleet breaks their own
Speaker 2: rules is tenfold. It's it's it's uncountable. So all of them,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Look at this.
Speaker 2: There's a huge issue, you know what I mean overall,
Speaker 2: especially if they're a kite somewhere where they don't know
Speaker 2: where they are and they're trying to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back on the planet Lan. So she talks about
Speaker 1: how they've now got a disintegration function on the phases
Speaker 1: and she uses that function to phase the trees down.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it looked cool, it really did. It's good.
Speaker 2: It's good to see what the progression of technology game
Speaker 2: from two or when it was established, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So all right, back on the Enterprise again.
Speaker 1: So we've you know, we keep jumping between the away
Speaker 1: team and the Enterprise. Spock is doing some scans and
Speaker 1: he's determined that they are actually in the Solar System,
Speaker 1: so the Solar System being our Solar system where Earth is, Like,
Speaker 1: what the hell? And they've determined that they are actually
Speaker 1: sixty five million years ago.
Speaker 2: It's totally good idea. I love this.
Speaker 1: Wow, like they have somehow through that subspace squall storm
Speaker 1: thing traveled back sixty five million years into the past.
Speaker 2: So now that's when Craig, that's when I realized that
Speaker 2: my little thing about the tear that's definitely Earth is
Speaker 2: definitely it's definitely Earth. But I didn't know how it
Speaker 2: was going to play out. Obviously, continue sorry, and.
Speaker 1: Like battle Commander Cassel's planet is actually Mars. And then
Speaker 1: when you go look up what the title of the episode,
Speaker 1: Vallas marineris is, it makes sense because later on she
Speaker 1: talks about that trench on the planet. Anyway, perfect, absolutely perfect,
Speaker 1: just like how they didn't well, I guess that their
Speaker 1: sensors and everything are down, but they didn't mention when
Speaker 1: they got that, they didn't recognize any of the staff
Speaker 1: formations or something along those lines, which makes sense now
Speaker 1: because now, yeah, there's sixty five million years ago, like
Speaker 1: the stars and everything approved.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so sardrift, stellar drift exactly, but not only that,
Speaker 2: but not only that, as we see by the end
Speaker 2: of it, everything has changed in this all system by
Speaker 2: the time they leave, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, and then this is where they actually
Speaker 1: tell the away team that they're on prehistoric Earth. So
Speaker 1: and yeah, it is actually confirmed now that that dinosaur
Speaker 1: is an actual Tyrannosaurus rex as we would know it.
Speaker 1: Like if my son was watching it, he would have
Speaker 1: loved it like seven years old loves dinosaurs. So because
Speaker 1: they are yeah, well as because they're in the past. Now,
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we can't actually harm anything, including these dinosaurs,
Speaker 1: because if we harm this dinosaur, it could destroy their
Speaker 1: own future.
Speaker 2: Well wiser, why would killing one trick dinosaur and mess
Speaker 2: up the timeliner of their entire future?
Speaker 1: Well, the butterfly effect. I guess, like, you know, who's
Speaker 1: to say that that dinosaur doesn't eat another one later
Speaker 1: on that's eaten something or doesn't eat something that then
Speaker 1: you know, evolves into humanity.
Speaker 2: I guess they're like, Well, what I'm getting at is
Speaker 2: like they've never been on a planet that doesn't have
Speaker 2: any other kind of They never been in a passion
Speaker 2: had that situation because how many times does their time
Speaker 2: travel throughout sidetrack, They've never run into that situation where
Speaker 2: they can't like that they defend themselves or something like it.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, I find that to be
Speaker 2: a little weird. One thing if you mess with somebody
Speaker 2: is like you kill this guy, and that effects like
Speaker 2: an entire generation of like people, which are facts like
Speaker 2: jobs and you know all that like in human connectivity,
Speaker 2: but with just a random animal on a planet, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I find that to be odd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. I understand it how this works.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like if you if you have questions about it,
Speaker 1: put it down in the comments, like whether you're watching
Speaker 1: this on my YouTube or if you're listening to it
Speaker 1: on the get into get.
Speaker 2: What you can see me veep the entire time. I forgot.
Speaker 1: Stuck on the robot penis Well. The commander Cassell, she
Speaker 1: comes on board the Enterprise and instead of coming on
Speaker 1: the Enterprise the way she was invited to, they just
Speaker 1: phase straight through the wall like she yeah, she she
Speaker 1: plays by her own rule, this woman.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's just coming on doesn't matter. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love that she brought two security guides with her too,
Speaker 2: Like that was that agreed to bone as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she does mention how they are taller than
Speaker 1: like Pike, like due to less gravity on her planet,
Speaker 1: which as we know is mar Has at this point.
Speaker 1: But she's not that much taller that I thought that
Speaker 1: she needed to mention it. But if you actually have
Speaker 1: a look when you see like a full body shot
Speaker 1: of her with her people, her shoes have actually got
Speaker 1: like a big platform on them. And are like two
Speaker 1: or three inches, so that's why she's told.
Speaker 2: Her outfit which made her look very tall as well
Speaker 2: pads and the head piece or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: It was a very cool outfit though their whole costume
Speaker 1: loved it, man loved it well. And you know her
Speaker 1: people are Martians as.
Speaker 2: Well, I Craig, I could literally make I would want
Speaker 2: to see the entire show based off their entire culture.
Speaker 1: That's how That's how much I loved.
Speaker 2: This, that pursuit of the concept of what was around
Speaker 2: their people and their struggle forever. But like, it was amazing, man,
Speaker 2: Like I'm blown away by it.
Speaker 1: But we haven't even got to the most interesting and
Speaker 1: they no timeline ending part of the episode yet. So
Speaker 1: in Benger, he asks Commander Cassel if he can examine
Speaker 1: her and her two security people because normally the bio
Speaker 1: filters of the transporters would filter out any pathogens. She
Speaker 1: actually agrees because not only is she the commander, but
Speaker 1: she's trained in medicine as well, and she's curious to
Speaker 1: see what our medical technology is like on the enterprise,
Speaker 1: so which I thought was really cool. So she's not
Speaker 1: only like in the middle of a war fighting for
Speaker 1: her people's survival and grabbing the Enterprise and basically just
Speaker 1: salvaging it and doing whatever the hell she wants. It's
Speaker 1: still curious enough to see, you know, what the Enterprise
Speaker 1: and its people have to offer, which I think is
Speaker 1: pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Very starfl he's very human, you know. Humed. She was
Speaker 2: like you said, she's she's not the villain of the week,
Speaker 2: she's she's like the tragic villain, or like, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: just a tragic story. It sucks.
Speaker 1: You know. She's fighting for the survival of her people
Speaker 1: against a unrelenting enemy, which we've learnt is a insectoid
Speaker 1: species which is going after them as well. So the
Speaker 1: away team back on the planet, they're going to try
Speaker 1: and stun the t rex and Una comes up with
Speaker 1: the shooting the soft palette inside its mouth. This is
Speaker 1: extremely ballsy to go up against the t rex.
Speaker 2: I think twelve feet from it on a plata on
Speaker 2: like a little cliff.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell is behind right now?
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this, like trying to shoot into
Speaker 1: the soft palette of it? Okay, cool, yep, all right,
Speaker 1: yeah she does it thirty yards away, Yeah, she she
Speaker 1: does it. You know, she's lucky she didn't get squashed
Speaker 1: as it collapsed onto the ground. Yeah. Anyway, so back
Speaker 1: in Sick Bay and Benger's completing his scans and she's
Speaker 1: got they've got no pathogens or anything, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's safe for the Enterprise crew and safe for her
Speaker 1: crew on board. So this is when they start to
Speaker 1: explain the Federation to Harmanica Sell and her people. Now,
Speaker 1: one of the things I really loved about where they
Speaker 1: were explaining the UFP, like because they're talking about how
Speaker 1: they exchange weapons and you know, they exchange technologies and
Speaker 1: they protect each other and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that Chapel explains is sometimes
Speaker 1: that exchange between members of the United Federation of Planets
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be weapons, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be people, it doesn't have to be technology. It can
Speaker 1: just come down to sharing music or good recipes like
Speaker 1: it could be.
Speaker 2: It could be new new materials and ways to build
Speaker 2: houses fast there. It could be transported technology to help
Speaker 2: increase its viability, or you know.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to provide troops to protect the UFP,
Speaker 1: like the you known Federation Planets. You can literally just
Speaker 1: the planet that produces food and music and things. I
Speaker 1: thought that was excellent that that is one of the
Speaker 1: most Star Trek things I could possibly ever hear out
Speaker 1: of this stoll, I think, yep, definitely, Like that is
Speaker 1: a great sounding future. Whether it happens or not, you know,
Speaker 1: is yet to be seen for humanity. But like the
Speaker 1: thought of that, you know, as a point where we
Speaker 1: could possibly get to, is quite excellent to me.
Speaker 2: So I get to take on other planets defense forces
Speaker 2: and you know, their contribute ships and technologies, and you know,
Speaker 2: like the enterprise is not just human technology obviously, So
Speaker 2: that's a that's a collaboration of of all the cultures
Speaker 2: that have invested into soft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like at this point, it's humanity. It is the Vulcans,
Speaker 1: it's Andrians rights and you know.
Speaker 2: And we don't know who created the viewer screens on those.
Speaker 2: They could have been the Tylerants, it could have been
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, it's not just Earth
Speaker 2: on thatself. Yeah, it's really cool. It's cool to think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's very very cool. So Captain Pike starts
Speaker 1: to talk about the carrot and stick discussion with her,
Speaker 1: which Captain Cassell or sorry, Commander Cassell. She is like,
Speaker 1: what's a carrot? Like thinking at some sort of way,
Speaker 1: which I thought it was pretty cool. Spock explains to
Speaker 1: her about the science station because you know, she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: is this you know, essentially like where you discover the
Speaker 1: weaknesses of your enemies and things. Well, yes it is,
Speaker 1: but it does a lot more than that, because you know,
Speaker 1: the Enterprise isn't a warship. Like, yes, it is armed
Speaker 1: to the teeth and is probably one of the best
Speaker 1: armed at this point in Stafleet's history, but it's a
Speaker 1: science vessel number one. It is not a warship. It
Speaker 1: is designed to protect itself and protect others, but it
Speaker 1: is definitely not a warship per se.
Speaker 2: Now it's we see it. It's a complaint a lot
Speaker 2: with an accent. It's almost like a luxury layer escape
Speaker 2: the schools and and all that stuff. And meanwhile they're
Speaker 2: only bees are flying around and just warships with just
Speaker 2: the compliment of crew, And.
Speaker 1: They're like, what the hell is wrong with you guys?
Speaker 1: You got children on here? Would think that we were
Speaker 1: very strange having children and families all over the.
Speaker 2: Well they did, and the in the exchange program they
Speaker 2: had with Raker and Welsh brother. Yeah, Kurrent, Yeah, karens
Speaker 2: what the hell is going on here?
Speaker 1: So as Pike is talking to Captain or Kimmander Cassel,
Speaker 1: I keep saying captain. If I say captain, you know,
Speaker 1: excuse me, because yeah, she's still a captain of their ship.
Speaker 1: So he uses the word alone. But apparently in her language,
Speaker 1: when you are speaking, your inflection, which happens with a
Speaker 1: lot of languages, actually means yeah, your inflection means different things.
Speaker 1: And the way that it was translated alone translated into
Speaker 1: him being a widower, which makes sense his loss of
Speaker 1: Marie Battell last season.
Speaker 2: I loved how you can instantly see there's like the
Speaker 2: emptiness in his eyes. Yes, he's very good betrayal, but
Speaker 2: Anson moment right there, like you could see the emptiness
Speaker 2: and his heart skipper beat and just him pulled back
Speaker 2: for like that momentary bubble right there. It was just
Speaker 2: it was a very very good act.
Speaker 1: I don't think Anson Mount's acting chops get enough credit,
Speaker 1: like throughout his career, I really don't. He's such a
Speaker 1: better actor than some of the roles that he's played
Speaker 1: through his career. Like he definitely is like, Yes, he's
Speaker 1: the leading man in this show, but I think he
Speaker 1: deserves a lot more credit than what he's given.
Speaker 2: I'm going to plead ignorant to the fact that I
Speaker 2: don't know what else he's.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that failed in Humans TV show that
Speaker 1: Marvel did. He was in that.
Speaker 2: I never saw it, but he was a leading guy
Speaker 2: in that. He was he was black Bell. I know,
Speaker 2: he seems like somebody who has some gravitas obviously, like
Speaker 2: the show started. I like he he has that that
Speaker 2: Paul as a captain. Yeah, no, a couple of shes
Speaker 2: didn't have faltered make up.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think people are well aware of my opinion on
Speaker 2: the show overall. Had this show has the potential to
Speaker 2: be the best the best, and it's had moments where
Speaker 2: it's not even remotely lived up to that. But this
Speaker 2: episode and hopefully what the season will bring and show
Speaker 2: you what Star Trek could be and what it should be,
Speaker 2: and I have high helps for it.
Speaker 1: Man. I think that was so with the rest of
Speaker 1: this season. And yeah, because we've got a full complement
Speaker 1: of ten or eleven episodes this season, I think next
Speaker 1: season there's only six episodes. I think it is which
Speaker 1: is the last the strange New Worlds, like whether they
Speaker 1: go on and do this Star Trek year one with
Speaker 1: the first year of Kirk is still seen. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to happen, but you know, we will see.
Speaker 1: So But going back to this episode, we actually see
Speaker 1: Mars itself with an atmosphere, and damn that planet looks beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has tend to open a view were screen
Speaker 2: rate She's like pull pull your view screen.
Speaker 1: Up and then yeah, she row take the planet like
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy two degrees or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And this is where we see the Vallast Marinerus, So
Speaker 1: the big scar on the planet, which is apparently where
Speaker 1: the Doldrum crashed a ship on their world deliberately and
Speaker 1: killed two million people. So, as I was saying earlier,
Speaker 1: that scar on the planet with that big valley slash trench,
Speaker 1: the Vallast Marinerus, it is the length of the United
Speaker 1: States of America.
Speaker 2: It was almost the length of the entire planet or
Speaker 2: system is well you know half of it, I mean
Speaker 2: you know half of it, half of that side at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was massive. So and it killed two million people.
Speaker 1: So no wonder you know, this is like they you know,
Speaker 1: they hate this Doldrum species. Now, the Doldrum come from
Speaker 1: a neighboring planet. Now, obviously we know that this is
Speaker 1: our solace them, but we it's not till later we
Speaker 1: figure out, like there's another planet there. Now, because there
Speaker 1: are an insect species, they've been saying that they can't
Speaker 1: communicate with the Doldrum at all. They've tried and they
Speaker 1: failed massively. So this is where they go to Sam Kirk,
Speaker 1: who is a zeno anthropologist, and obviously Stafleet has come
Speaker 1: into contact with quite a few different insectoid species at
Speaker 1: this point, and he's talking to them about how they
Speaker 1: learned to communicate with some of them, and even one
Speaker 1: of them, one of the SPECIESE was it twenty three?
Speaker 2: It could have been twenty three twenty three of the
Speaker 2: species that they've contacted, I believe, I believe don't necessarily
Speaker 2: caught it on me fans, but I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 2: twenty three of them. We're able to communicate.
Speaker 1: One of the species that they've come across. They communicate
Speaker 1: through smell, which is interesting. So and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that translation was rather stinky. Essentially, here's my shit,
Speaker 1: they had tackles anyway. So Commander Cassel, well, she and
Speaker 1: her guards they steal anti matter fuel at this point,
Speaker 1: and then Chris is like okay, So he actually runs
Speaker 1: down to where they are on the ship and they're
Speaker 1: about to exit and phase through the wall where they
Speaker 1: came in onto the Enterprise, and he's like, I thought
Speaker 1: we were getting along, essentially, like you know, but she's like, look,
Speaker 1: you lied to us, you weren't truthful.
Speaker 2: And she's been nothing buted out the entire time, heard
Speaker 2: her full intentions, whether she was going to take the
Speaker 2: ship or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, while she was in the lab, she discovered that we,
Speaker 1: well the crew of the Enterprise and the Enterprise itself
Speaker 1: is from sixty five million years in the future. She's
Speaker 1: discovered that She's figured that out from their own computers,
Speaker 1: and she's not happy about it. And she essentially sees
Speaker 1: it as lying to them because they did explain where
Speaker 1: they were from, but not when, and that's a big
Speaker 1: thing to her, which yeah, I kind of get.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, she's knowing that just how are they going
Speaker 2: to get home? Number one Starfleet isn't there to help
Speaker 2: them or assist, so what's you know? And then obviously
Speaker 2: what you're going to say next.
Speaker 1: So, and you know, Enterprise is giving them what they
Speaker 1: need to win this war. Like, they don't have access
Speaker 1: to the antimatter themselves, so they're just taking it from
Speaker 1: the Enterprise and they're going to use it as a weapon.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: The away team down on the planet, they find the iridium.
Speaker 1: There's a crashed shit.
Speaker 2: You missed one poet, you missed one poet. When she's
Speaker 2: when she's talking with Plaque and she they're talking about
Speaker 2: stifleet and all that, she does make it aware that
Speaker 2: she realizes that her planet is destroyed sixty five million
Speaker 2: years in the future and is a red waste plan
Speaker 2: and she and she the fact that she quotes and
Speaker 2: says red waste plan, you know, and oh wait, she
Speaker 2: didn't see it in the computer actually.
Speaker 1: So so she does. She realizes that, you know, in
Speaker 1: the sixty five million years in the future where the
Speaker 1: Enterprise is from, Mars is just a barren rock essentially,
Speaker 1: and she wants to start And I don't blame her.
Speaker 1: I really don't blame her at all.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 1: The crash Doldrum ship on what we now know as Earth.
Speaker 1: Now there's some pods that are on where that crash
Speaker 1: ship is, And I don't know were they still alive
Speaker 1: or were they.
Speaker 2: Just confused about that because why would if they had
Speaker 2: been there?
Speaker 1: Actually how long were they down there? Well, the ship
Speaker 1: was fio, so it didn't look like it had been
Speaker 1: crashed there for too long to be honest.
Speaker 2: All right, So then that maybe I don't know they
Speaker 2: said reflexes when when they acted when in fact like reacted,
Speaker 2: but I don't see how did you activate like the
Speaker 2: deep like deep rast out of cray of sleep or
Speaker 2: like it was very confusing. I didn't get that boat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It was a quote unquote colony ship.
Speaker 1: So the Doldrum were they heading to Earth to try
Speaker 1: and colonize Earth as well? Like obviously, as we know,
Speaker 1: Earth is the third planet in our Solar system, Mars
Speaker 1: is the fourth, and then there's a a fifth planet
Speaker 1: with the which is the Doldrums planet. There's no fifth
Speaker 1: planet exactly exactly. So anyway, she goes in and she
Speaker 1: gets the iridium fuel pod.
Speaker 2: There's god.
Speaker 1: The next scene, it's honestly okay, So Lan punches what
Speaker 1: looks like a velociraptor. Did it look like a velociraptor to.
Speaker 2: You, Yes, so I was going to mention this earlier
Speaker 2: and igot about this. I so obviously since Drastic Park,
Speaker 2: like which we had deemed at the time very authentic
Speaker 2: looking dinosaurs, a lots come out just to suggest that
Speaker 2: they were other feathered. Not all species were, but I
Speaker 2: do like that they kept one to be roughly about
Speaker 2: the same as it looked in Jurassic Park, and it
Speaker 2: had one look more accurate that raptor came up. It
Speaker 2: is kind of a raptor. Raptors would imagine would be
Speaker 2: a lot bigger than her, probably like three or four feet,
Speaker 2: but at the same time it looked like one it
Speaker 2: was feathered. I do love the accuracy they tried to
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Here is like, yes, I do like dinosaurs, but were
Speaker 1: these actually supposed to be veloci raptors? And my big
Speaker 1: question here is were the loss of raptors actually around
Speaker 1: at the same time as the Tranosaurus rex or were
Speaker 1: they from an earlier period?
Speaker 2: Just throw not was actually knowing this, but knowing how
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg would operate in the accuracy and overall validity
Speaker 2: of validity of his depiction of Jurassic Park that they
Speaker 2: would be in the same era, Jurassic era.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously, as we know, there's like the Jurassic, Jurassic
Speaker 1: and a few other.
Speaker 2: He's very accurate with that kind of stuff. That's why
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think he would do that personally. Later, Yeah,
Speaker 2: something to look up, definitely.
Speaker 1: So one of the veloci raptors comes up and Larne
Speaker 1: punches it in the face.
Speaker 2: Right and defeat sucking squat.
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever I was so thrown off,
Speaker 1: dear Steve, have you ever seen the video where there's
Speaker 1: a massive kangaroo that is choking this dude's dog who
Speaker 1: goes up and punches it. It reminded me.
Speaker 2: Of because of the kangaroo just like leaves back and
Speaker 2: it's like it's still bad about that's so true, that's
Speaker 2: still true.
Speaker 1: So anyway that at this point, the next scene that
Speaker 1: we see is Laan is in sick Bay talking to
Speaker 1: and Benga and Nurse Chapel. She's literally broken her hand
Speaker 1: from punching that raptor in the face. Doesn't feel it,
Speaker 1: she doesn't feel it, so and she says that she's
Speaker 1: been feeling different for a while, so you know for
Speaker 1: those ye.
Speaker 2: But she's still the same, She's still the same line
Speaker 2: to Nurse Chapel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, she's they're still friends and you
Speaker 1: know all that sort of stuff. She's she's talking about
Speaker 1: her augment DNA and then like and Benga's like, well,
Speaker 1: you're not, you know, thinking about taking over the galaxy
Speaker 1: or anything, are you? So a little bit of foreshadowing and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure? So is this always what I was
Speaker 2: just saying too. It's like the fact that she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're still the same person to a deep down inside
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, she's not.
Speaker 2: She's clearly not. She's telling you that she's not.
Speaker 1: It's weird take over the Enterprise, Like, there's still a
Speaker 1: few characters that need to leave, so Lan is one
Speaker 1: of So what happens to her? So we're obviously starting
Speaker 1: to slowly build through this season to losing Lan somehow,
Speaker 1: whether she goes full Khan or whether she gets killed
Speaker 1: somehow or Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's what's going to happen. I think we
Speaker 2: lose lose her. That's my opinion. How nothing to beast
Speaker 2: it off, but I think it's probably a good way
Speaker 2: to protate to Andrew character.
Speaker 1: Like is it one of those things where they wipe
Speaker 1: her from the history books or you know, because we
Speaker 1: never hear about her, so Spock never.
Speaker 2: To she is a scene too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so all right, so they they've installed the
Speaker 1: iridium and we've got our engines back online. So at
Speaker 1: this point they hail Commander Cassel and Pike apologizes to
Speaker 1: her in a way you know, he's sorry, you know,
Speaker 1: and then she shuts off the comms and she's using
Speaker 1: that antimatter. So she's going to destroy the Doldrum's homeworld,
Speaker 1: which is the fifth Deay, not messing around. This is
Speaker 1: like she sees her way to end this war, and
Speaker 1: she is going to end the Doldrum once and for all.
Speaker 2: No pussy food, no pussy flood. They get ready to it.
Speaker 1: This is where they are like, well, hang on, the
Speaker 1: fifth planet in the system is not Jupiter like as
Speaker 1: we would know it now and as they know it.
Speaker 1: So it is another planet, right, It is similar to
Speaker 1: Mars in size and everything, but yeah it is, it's
Speaker 1: just not there in the future. So anyway, she deploys
Speaker 1: the antimatter mine, but they actually say that she's going
Speaker 1: to be too close to it and it's going to
Speaker 1: destroy herself as well, So she actually sacrifices her own
Speaker 1: ship and her own life when she does deploy this
Speaker 1: antimatter onto the Doldrum homeworld, and she kills herself in
Speaker 1: order to make sure that her people survive, which is
Speaker 1: no very noble. Yes, but at this point there's the
Speaker 1: moral conundrum that they have. It was like, well, hang on,
Speaker 1: do we stop this antimatter mind from hitting that planet
Speaker 1: or do we let it happen? And essentially, because Pike
Speaker 1: realizes that hang on, in our time there is no
Speaker 1: fifth planet in between Mars and Jupiter, he lets it happen.
Speaker 1: Like the crew on the bridge are all like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't let this happen, but he does let it happen.
Speaker 2: And as a result of that, it's not just one
Speaker 2: thing that happens too, so no, it's three things happened.
Speaker 1: Really, So yeah, Cassell and her crew dead, the Doldrum
Speaker 1: planet dead.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful Enbagery by the way, sorry to interrupt beautiful.
Speaker 2: I loved Pike standing under bridge and looking at that
Speaker 2: it looked fucking banging that.
Speaker 1: Was destroying the Doldrum home planet. Is it shifts Mars's
Speaker 1: orbit accidentally? Like so she didn't realize that this was
Speaker 1: going to happen. But it also creates the asteroid that
Speaker 1: destroys the dinosaurs on Earth.
Speaker 2: At the Yuca Temple Peninsula, with the extinction actually happens.
Speaker 1: Now, the question is, is the whole incident where the
Speaker 1: Enterprise travels back in time, is it was always meant
Speaker 1: to happen? Were we always responsible for our own evolution?
Speaker 1: Like the mind being with the paradox is paradox is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's awesome, it's a very lovely Sorry, continue, Steve. No,
Speaker 1: You're right. I wish we could see each other.
Speaker 2: We could que we get out.
Speaker 1: I use that type. I can't see you.
Speaker 2: That's but no, I'll upgrade one day if you. Just
Speaker 2: the idea of them being able to make this whole
Speaker 2: concept intrigues me on a level that I've never been
Speaker 2: intrigued before out of a ship. It's been a while
Speaker 2: since I've been intrigued to that to that level. I
Speaker 2: love the concept of it. To follow the potential, like
Speaker 2: I could see like comics coming out of this of
Speaker 2: like the Marus, you know, the Mar's planet and stuff
Speaker 2: like I want to learn more about it. It will
Speaker 2: for me. It was perfect.
Speaker 1: The remnants of the Doldrum planet become what we know
Speaker 1: now as our asteroid belt as well. And as I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: the explosion of that planet changes Mars's orbit. So Commander
Speaker 1: Cassell's actions actually resulted in her killing off her own
Speaker 1: planet and her own people, really, which is creation of ours, yes,
Speaker 1: but it's quite sad for her and her people, I guess,
Speaker 1: and she'll never know what she's done herself, like what
Speaker 1: she was doing, she was doing for the protection of
Speaker 1: her own people, and it's quite sad actually.
Speaker 2: Well, when Clake says I'm sorry when the wave hits
Speaker 2: her ship, that's why he's saying I'm sorry because he
Speaker 2: knows that he knows the planet is going to be destroyed.
Speaker 2: At the same time, he's like, see, I have to
Speaker 2: let this happen. She thinks that it's going to happen
Speaker 2: a certain way, but what's really going to happen is,
Speaker 2: like I said, A followed a four different scenario. The
Speaker 2: Doldroom planets destroyed. Her planet is sent out of orbit
Speaker 2: and basically the atmosphere stripped away becomes a red baron wasteland.
Speaker 2: The asteroid of an asteroid breaks off hits Earth. Dinosaur
Speaker 2: is destroid. It just forms our Solar system as we
Speaker 2: know it today, because then the asteroid belt comes off
Speaker 2: with the ashoid belt. Was the fourth followed Absolutely brilliant,
Speaker 2: Absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 1: It really so the explosion of the Doldrum planet with
Speaker 1: the result with the antimatter explosion and the power of
Speaker 1: that is from that. Spock determines that there is enough
Speaker 1: power from that that if we head into it, it
Speaker 1: should have enough power that we can get the Enterprise
Speaker 1: back to our time.
Speaker 2: Though it wasn't destroyed it exactly.
Speaker 1: Will it destroy the ship? Well, it clearly, but what.
Speaker 2: He says is it. I love what he says, though,
Speaker 2: will it destroy the ship? I'm determined.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I loved it. The crew doesn't
Speaker 1: want to spend the rest of their lives sixty five
Speaker 1: million years in the past, definitely, So let's get the.
Speaker 2: Hell out of there. Yeah, fuck it, let's get that.
Speaker 1: The Enterprise senior staff, they're having their their debrief, shall
Speaker 1: we say, And then Chris orders that the crew needs
Speaker 1: some time off and they have the rest of the
Speaker 1: night off. But as they're leaving the ready room there
Speaker 1: or the conference room, and Benga he has a bit
Speaker 1: of a chat to Chris, and he explains that when
Speaker 1: he scanned Captain Cassell and her guys that he got
Speaker 1: their DNA on record, and their Martian DNA is actually
Speaker 1: throughout the galaxy. So that means that some of the
Speaker 1: people from Mars must have survived and many, many different
Speaker 1: spaces have parts of Martian DNA in them, which I
Speaker 1: think is cool.
Speaker 2: It could be the possibility that the Martians. This is
Speaker 2: why I feel like it's so intriguing to me, like
Speaker 2: the story of their planet and of their time like
Speaker 2: sixty five million years ago, because what if they had
Speaker 2: ships that you know, noticed or were in orbit at
Speaker 2: the time, or on a colony, some asteroid or some moon,
Speaker 2: you know, because they didn't have warp capabilities, maybe they
Speaker 2: had flown two years to this certain destination or whatever,
Speaker 2: and they were able to realize that their planet has
Speaker 2: been destroyed and then go elsewhere to you know, spread
Speaker 2: the varsity DNA throughout the galaxy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's brilliant, dude, it really is. It's brilliant. This is
Speaker 2: the best I have seen star tracking quite sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is probably it is in my top
Speaker 1: five favorite episodes of all of YEA Strange New Worlds.
Speaker 2: So far, it's up there as top episode of Stide. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm not just saying that's like I watched it three times,
Speaker 2: and if you know me, like if I'm going to
Speaker 2: watch something three times since Thursday, you know it's Saturday
Speaker 2: and night here in the US. It hit me in
Speaker 2: a different level. That's a type episode for me in
Speaker 2: Star Trek in general. That's the time sci fi episode
Speaker 2: for me in sci fi let alone, just Star Trek
Speaker 2: that is that hit me on all levels. And I
Speaker 2: blew up Craig right away when it happened. I was like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, Due, it.
Speaker 1: Is extremely good this episode, so Averril April. At this point,
Speaker 1: he is back on the Enterprise and debriefing with Captain
Speaker 1: Pike in his quarters, and Captain Pike pulls out a
Speaker 1: book called The Princess of Mars, and Pike is sort
Speaker 1: of discussing, like wishing he could tell his dad about
Speaker 1: it because his dad is now dead and everything. But
Speaker 1: I like that they have well, Starfleet has determined that
Speaker 1: this whole incident has to stay a secret. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: that aren't watching this, they were just listening. Steve. He's
Speaker 1: picked up his cat what's his cat's name? Heiber, like
Speaker 1: a Kaiber Crystal from Powers.
Speaker 2: Yep, she's honorable, but she made a little attention for
Speaker 2: some thing because she kept me out next to me
Speaker 2: and I can't ignore her.
Speaker 1: So yes, So this whole incident where the Enterprise traveled
Speaker 1: sixty five million years back into the past, it has
Speaker 1: to stay secret and the history books cannot be changed,
Speaker 1: which like, how many times has the Enterprise not even
Speaker 1: just this Enterprise, but well this Enterprise in particular has
Speaker 1: traveled time a couple of times now and it be
Speaker 1: documented too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So well, the ramifications of this, I mean,
Speaker 2: at the same time, I was going to say, the
Speaker 2: ramifications of this are a little bit different, But at
Speaker 2: the same time, the ramifications of this would affect literally
Speaker 2: nobody on Earth or in the Federation.
Speaker 1: So no, But what is it keeps canon for Star
Speaker 1: Trek alive because we've never heard about this before. So
Speaker 1: I like the way they did it. It was a
Speaker 1: smarty I like it with Cannon.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like it in general though, because I love
Speaker 2: secrecy and I feel like there's much people like to
Speaker 2: put Starfleet in Star Trek on a pedestal of this
Speaker 2: utopian society and the ship doesn't think and it's all
Speaker 2: you know, socialism and involvement. That's not what we see
Speaker 2: on the screen every time, exactly here in this episode,
Speaker 2: it's just not what we see. They're still very human.
Speaker 1: So obviously Admiral April is there to say to Chris
Speaker 1: about this promotion. But Chris, he decides not to take
Speaker 1: the promotion. He's not taking it, but he has someone
Speaker 1: that deserves a promotion, and that is number one Una
Speaker 1: Chin Riley. So for those that didn't know, he's actually
Speaker 1: a lieutenant commander. So she actually gets fully promoted to
Speaker 1: full commander at this point, which is.
Speaker 2: Great, yep, which is building her up to where the
Speaker 2: point where she is on the show as well.
Speaker 1: So she is the first officer of the flagship of
Speaker 1: the fleet, and you know, she should be a commander,
Speaker 1: not just a lieutenant commander.
Speaker 2: Of course she should be. That's why. That's why he
Speaker 2: recommended it too. I would imagine too, it's probably it's
Speaker 2: bow time, you know.
Speaker 1: So we go back to her and the Vulcan cadet
Speaker 1: that's there. I still think she is extremely fucking rude, but.
Speaker 2: This is all bar scene by the way, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's odd to bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe she's not rude, maybe she's just very vulcan.
Speaker 2: Yes she is. That's what I was getting at earlier.
Speaker 2: She's Jeff Vulcan.
Speaker 1: So Scotty and Erica. Yeah, they've still got a thing
Speaker 1: going on there. I'm not sure what's happening whether Yeah,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, I think they're setting them up
Speaker 1: for something. But obviously Ortegas she has to leave at
Speaker 1: some point as well in the next season and a half,
Speaker 1: so that'll be interesting. So in the bar as well,
Speaker 1: Chapel wants to know more about the dinosaurs, which is cool.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, obviously this whole thing is supposed to
Speaker 1: be secret, like stop talking about it.
Speaker 2: The other thing is, dude, is like I've always wondered
Speaker 2: this on shit, like everybody, you know, battle stations, everybody.
Speaker 2: Does everybody know what the fuck is actually going on
Speaker 2: at all times? Or are you just on dack foot
Speaker 2: completely ignorant to of your entire five year mission because
Speaker 2: you're not on the bridge, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're confusement and you're going around and fixing light globes
Speaker 1: and stuff on the ship like that's your entire job,
Speaker 1: Like do you know what else has happened? Do you
Speaker 1: know that you've just traveled sixty five million years back
Speaker 1: into the past.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like kind of the premise to some
Speaker 2: lower decks though, I guess to a point.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, love that shows.
Speaker 2: It's to show you the other version or side of
Speaker 2: stuff for you.
Speaker 1: Correct. Now, this last scene of the episode is I
Speaker 1: like it because it is back when they were still
Speaker 1: in the past and the three girls down on the
Speaker 1: planet on the away team. There they are looking out
Speaker 1: over prehistoric Earth and seeing all of the dinosaurs, and
Speaker 1: I thought that scene was brilliant. It was beautiful, and
Speaker 1: the CGI and the ar wall or whatever they were
Speaker 1: using there for that it looked amazing.
Speaker 2: Bang it.
Speaker 1: What did it remind you of at the end?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: What did they call back to? What was they what
Speaker 1: they reference? You tell me Drastic Park? Well, yeah, all
Speaker 1: I can hear in my head was.
Speaker 2: When when I when I saw the t Rex bending
Speaker 2: down and get picking his head up, I was like,
Speaker 2: he's gonna roar, And it's kind of.
Speaker 1: The exact scene the Jurassic Park right there pretty much.
Speaker 1: And then that's the end of the episode. So for me,
Speaker 1: that episode as I've said, was absolutely brilliant. I loved it,
Speaker 1: like such a strong opening episode for a season of
Speaker 1: Strange New Worlds.
Speaker 2: Yep, strong, its strong, and like I said before, dude,
Speaker 2: not only just strong for sty Trek or Strange World
Speaker 2: strong for sci fi. That was incredible. That was the
Speaker 2: for me. I think I told you that I very
Speaker 2: rarely will hand it out of ten. But that's damn close.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: Man, that's that's that's the nine point five for me. Dude,
Speaker 2: that that was.
Speaker 1: Well when Yeah, looking on IMDb as well. At the moment,
Speaker 1: this is one of the highest rated episode of all
Speaker 1: of Strange New Worlds. Still, the highest rated episode is
Speaker 1: those old Scientists, the one with the Lower Decks guys
Speaker 1: coming over?
Speaker 2: Is it really?
Speaker 1: That is the highest rated episode of this show.
Speaker 2: Yea. And I couldn't connect with it because I didn't Obviously,
Speaker 2: I liked the episode, and I understand the characters and
Speaker 2: ape attention to certain things About's Lower Decks. I just
Speaker 2: don't watch it. So I didn't connect with that episode
Speaker 2: that much because obviously I never stow the show.
Speaker 1: Lower Decks for me is one of those shows now
Speaker 1: that I like because I've seen every episode so many
Speaker 1: times I can just put it on in the background
Speaker 1: and it's like a comfort show, Like it's just hilarious.
Speaker 1: Like even my seven year old likes watching it. So probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, right, But I know we've talked about it,
Speaker 2: but did you have you watched Prodigy?
Speaker 1: I haven't watched all of Prodigy yet. I don't even
Speaker 1: think I can get it on any of the streaming
Speaker 1: services here in Australia anymore, not even Netflix.
Speaker 2: I say Netflix has the second season and then Paramount
Speaker 2: had the first season. I'm not even sure if it's
Speaker 2: still longer. But that being said, that show it has
Speaker 2: a very kid elm to do it, just like how
Speaker 2: how I treated Clone Wars back in my day. I
Speaker 2: was like, it's a kid show. It's a kid show.
Speaker 2: But then once people started telling me that, now, trust me,
Speaker 2: this is the best of Star Wars. This is in
Speaker 2: depth storytelling, it deep, it's emotional.
Speaker 1: Well into. Prodigy is the only Star Trek I have
Speaker 1: not seen all of Like I've even seen all of
Speaker 1: the original animated series. So I really do me.
Speaker 2: Too, me too, I like it too.
Speaker 1: Actually I had flood white to that, but anyway, neame
Speaker 1: that's about it from us here, Like, as I was saying,
Speaker 1: I really loved that episode. Next week's episode is called
Speaker 1: the Griffin Incident. Just it looks like it's going to
Speaker 1: be a Kirk heavy episode. Like I'm not going to
Speaker 1: read the synopsis there because I want to stay so
Speaker 1: I want to stay surprised because I hope. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that this is going to be another brilliant episode as well,
Speaker 1: so you reckon you'll.
Speaker 2: Be at Kirk. It's a it's a heavy Kirk episode.
Speaker 1: Well, it's got a picture of Kirk and his brother there,
Speaker 1: so it could be a Kirk episode. This is just
Speaker 1: going off the picture on IMDb, so I could be
Speaker 1: completely wrong. I'm not looking at the synopsis.
Speaker 2: So well, this episode got my hopes up. So regardless
Speaker 2: of how I feel about the Kirk character this and
Speaker 2: this shows incarnation, I feel optimistic about it.
Speaker 1: Excellent. You think he'll be back next week? Mate?
Speaker 2: Now I'm just kidding you, so well, I'll wait, but no,
Speaker 2: I'm willing to do it every week going forward. But
Speaker 2: not only that, I would love to sit down and
Speaker 2: have like a starkeep chat with here or even just
Speaker 2: I know we've talked about this before, but you know
Speaker 2: I would like to just pop up a couple of chatsmens,
Speaker 2: so well, i'll give me more used to it, no
Speaker 2: when to jump in and all that.
Speaker 1: Too as well, but yeah, they're more used to it
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, Steve too many podcasts. He's done a
Speaker 1: couple with us here on this channel before, and I
Speaker 1: think he's done a great job. Like he's a good
Speaker 1: dude and he loves his sci fi. So i'd like
Speaker 1: to have him back. As I was saying earlier, I'm
Speaker 1: going to try and put this out on YouTube as
Speaker 1: well on my Geeking Camo channel, which you can follow
Speaker 1: me on the socials at Geeking Camo on Facebook and Instagram.
Speaker 1: Think I'm on threads as well for it now, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure does anyone use threads?
Speaker 2: I know I did for a while. Then I was like,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like very politically bleased, so it's political.
Speaker 2: Yeahs very heavy on that actually. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Obviously this will go out on the get into Geek
Speaker 1: channel for those guys for audio, so you can listen
Speaker 1: to that on all the different places where those podcasts
Speaker 1: go out, and it goes out on just about every
Speaker 1: podcast platform, so you don't have to just step in one.
Speaker 2: Also, I am going to get a computer. You promise
Speaker 2: Craig that I'm going to get one. Not only that,
Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure like I get a nice setup.
Speaker 2: So if you do post this to YouTube going forward,
Speaker 2: because I have tons of stuff, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: make sure I put it shut up behind me, you know,
Speaker 2: make it actually look like not me just vaping and
Speaker 2: leaning into my desk every five minutes or back in
Speaker 2: my chair or spinning, you know, every once in a while.
Speaker 1: All right, team, until next time that is us, We'll
Speaker 1: catch you later. Don't hang up yet, Steve Ye