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<v Speaker 3>Fifty eight degrees. Right now, let's go to travel. I

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<v Speaker 3>up the big chuck Ingram from the UCLP Traffic Center. UC

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<v Speaker 3>Health wake Well Center offers comprehensive obesity care and advanced

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<v Speaker 3>searching OH expertise.

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<v Speaker 4>Call five one three nine three nine two two sixty three.

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<v Speaker 3>to Dixie coming up next, our guest is actually a

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<v Speaker 3>great horse picking expert, So just in time for the

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<v Speaker 3>Kentucky Derby, our guest is going to go with rendered

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<v Speaker 3>judgment to win, American promised to place and journalism to show. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>those are actually names of horses in this week's Kentucky Derby.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's almost like the judge had the inside track.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck Ingramont fifty five krs the talk station, five cars

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<v Speaker 3>the talk station. I thought it's creative, Yes, very creative.

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<v Speaker 5>He never ceases to amaze, never.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you have a racing form there? Judge of PAULA. Tada,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Vity five Jacy Warning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend, I didn't even know that Kentucky Derby was

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend.

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<v Speaker 5>It's really not something that's on.

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<v Speaker 1>My rate screen, understood Thomas Massey or ran Paul.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's not something.

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<v Speaker 4>I follow understood.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mentioned congressomassing the lead up to the segment

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<v Speaker 2>because as I told you yesterday when I got your column,

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<v Speaker 2>which is always brilliant and is always on point, that

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, sometimes my listeners disagree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I suggested that probably they would disagree with you

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<v Speaker 2>because your position relative to Judge Dugan, who was scheduled

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<v Speaker 2>to preside over hearing against the Mexican national Eduardo Flores Ruiz,

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<v Speaker 2>who had been charged with criminal batteries. So he's in

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<v Speaker 2>her courtroom and the immigration officials show up armed with

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<v Speaker 2>and arrest. Weren't that an immigration official had issued? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is where your argument hinges on that

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<v Speaker 2>the Fourth Amendment in your mind, in the mind of

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<v Speaker 2>the judge disagrees and says, this is not an official warrant.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not something that is constitutional on its face.

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<v Speaker 2>Er go, she's not obstructing anything because the immigration official

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have the actual constitutional authority to issue and arrest

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<v Speaker 4>Have I got that basic right?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, you do have that right. And this is a

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<v Speaker 5>good faith.

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<v Speaker 1>And from my perspective, and I presume hers widely held

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<v Speaker 1>judicial view of the Fourth Amendment, that these administrative warrants

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<v Speaker 1>are unconstitutional and government officials are not obligated to comply

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<v Speaker 1>with them. Hey, judge, there's a guy in the hallway

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<v Speaker 1>that wants to arrest a person in your courtroom.

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<v Speaker 5>What should we do? Does he have an arrest warrant? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, tell him to go take a hike. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>see what he has. This isn't an arrest warrant. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to honor it.

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<v Speaker 5>And for that she gets arrested.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and here's me.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where I think that the confusion perhaps comes

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<v Speaker 2>in or the immediate actions. You know, she should have

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<v Speaker 2>been arrested because she's obstructing administrative law or the the

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<v Speaker 2>the the immigration law. A federal magistrate found probable cause

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<v Speaker 2>for her arrest in basically this act of quote unquote obstruction.

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<v Speaker 2>So is this one of those analysis like you and

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<v Speaker 2>I have, that the federal government is violating our Fourth

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment rights to be free of unreasonable searches, their Fifth

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<v Speaker 2>that they do all the time. But it's never been

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<v Speaker 2>tested in court kind of arguments. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the law on the books, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if if evidence were obtained from an administrative warrant,

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<v Speaker 1>it can't be used in court.

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<v Speaker 5>So to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Extent, it's been tested because it's obviously in violation of

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<v Speaker 1>the Fourth Amendment. But this is also in violation of

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of federalism. I cited the recent Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>cases reminding everybody that the states are sovereign, and one

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<v Speaker 1>an instrument of sovereignty is the state court system, and

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<v Speaker 1>the FEDS can't interfere with it. I remember case. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a s to me but one of my colleagues,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was on the bench. I don't have an

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<v Speaker 1>FBI agent who was stopped on the Garden State Parkway,

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<v Speaker 5>The main highway that goes along.

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<v Speaker 1>The spine of New Jersey north to south, going eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five miles an hour, and he actually came into Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>said well, I work for the FBI.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not bound by New Jersey law. They locked him up.

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<v Speaker 5>It took his gun and his shield and locked him up.

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<v Speaker 1>And nobody gets locked up for speeding, but you do

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<v Speaker 1>get locked up for interfering with the sovereignty of a state.

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<v Speaker 1>That's probably And it wasn't, as I said, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>I who locked him up. It was one of my colleagues.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't toy with the concept of sovereignty. You respect

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<v Speaker 1>the court. You don't show up with something that is

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<v Speaker 1>arguably not even a warrant and expect a judge to

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<v Speaker 1>stop what she's doing to comply with what you want.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know this is an unpopped popular view. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people viewing this and probably most people listening to us

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<v Speaker 1>now are scratching their heads saying, well, who wants to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the constitutional weeds. Trump's job is to get

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<v Speaker 1>illegals off the streets. I understand that argument, and I

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<v Speaker 1>even respect the argument. I don't always agree with it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I understand it. But Trump has an obligation. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't personalize this to the president. He wasn't making these

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<v Speaker 1>decisions himself to follow the Constitution, which means respect the

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<v Speaker 1>sovereignty of the States, and follow the Fourth Amendment and

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<v Speaker 1>follow due process, none.

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<v Speaker 5>Of which was done in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, to make matters worse, the Supreme Court of Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 4>Suspended the judge yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's basically a month long vacation. She has

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<v Speaker 1>all of her perks and she gets paid, but she

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<v Speaker 1>does not have to come to work. That would upset me,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of people would say, well, this is great,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going Italy form.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess the two fold component of this is

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<v Speaker 2>the federal magistrate found probable cause for the arrestaurant of

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<v Speaker 2>the judge based upon her conduct, and now the Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court has relieved her of our official duties, at

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<v Speaker 2>least temporarily. Doesn't that sort of I mean, flying the

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<v Speaker 2>face of the argument that you're making, which is that

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<v Speaker 2>this she had no obligation because this was not a

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<v Speaker 2>judicial arrest warrant.

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<v Speaker 5>It does not in my view.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to tell you this dark and dirty secret,

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<v Speaker 1>but every federal magistrate wants to become a federal judge,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they don't find probable cause, the FBI will

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<v Speaker 1>block their ascendants. That is well known in the judiciary.

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<v Speaker 1>The federal magistrate finding probable cause is the moral equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>of a grand jury in dighting a ham sandwich.

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<v Speaker 4>That's seventy times over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, these analogies are not original to me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've even used the ham Sandwench analysis a grand jury.

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<v Speaker 2>A prosecutor can get a jury, a grand jury to

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<v Speaker 2>indict a ham sandwich. It's easy to do. You select

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<v Speaker 2>what evidence they hear and they see. You don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to provide it with all the facts and information.

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<v Speaker 4>Ergo.

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<v Speaker 1>Same thing when you're trying to get an arrest warrant

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<v Speaker 1>or a search warrant from a magistrate.

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<v Speaker 5>So an Article three judge that's different.

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<v Speaker 2>So put your defense attorney hat on. What is her

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<v Speaker 2>next step given with the current situation she finds herself in,

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<v Speaker 2>is that going to court?

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<v Speaker 1>She should move she should move to Well, she hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been indicted yet, which is another crazy thing. They shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have removed her from the bench until there's an indictment,

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<v Speaker 1>because maybe there won't be an indictment.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe she'll testify before the grand jury. You know, she

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<v Speaker 5>is a former defense lawyer herself.

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<v Speaker 1>But her next step would be, once indicted, to move

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<v Speaker 1>to dismiss the indictment. First Amendment, fourth Amendment, Amendment, and

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<v Speaker 1>even tenth Amendment, which is the residue of state sovereignty grounds.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Well, I would.

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<v Speaker 5>Also throw in there.

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<v Speaker 1>A statement from the president's press secretary that he would

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<v Speaker 1>not hesitate to arrest Supreme Court justices if he felt

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<v Speaker 1>it was appropriate. Man, you talk about an inappropriate statement,

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<v Speaker 1>an intimidating statement, a statement that will backfire.

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<v Speaker 2>That was it, well, and that certainly fuels what I

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<v Speaker 2>can only characterize is this sort of unhinged anger that's

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the left over a lot of times really

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely nothing, but this is the attack on the judicial system.

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<v Speaker 2>This fuels the fire of those arguments and those claims

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<v Speaker 2>by the left against the Trump administration writ large right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean those who are rejoicing in Judge Dougan's arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>Flip the switch and think of a liberal president and

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<v Speaker 1>DJ arresting a conservative judge and how would you feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Or arresting parents who show up at school board

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<v Speaker 2>meetings professing their anger over policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, there you go, Yeah, there you go. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an even better analogy because it actually.

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<v Speaker 4>Happened in spite of the First Amendment.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I mean the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same FBI, which, by the way, could have said, Judge Dugan,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a warned for your arrest.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you surrender with your lawyer? Here's where you should go,

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<v Speaker 5>and here's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time when you can do it, Like when the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of New York was indicted. Instead, rather than telling her

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<v Speaker 1>they were coming for her, they told the press yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they showed up when she got out of

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<v Speaker 1>her car in the parking lot of the courthouse and

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<v Speaker 1>handcuffed to behind her back, which is the way you

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<v Speaker 1>handcuff dangerous people obviously meant to intimidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when CNN was alerted ahead of time that they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to be rating Donald Trump's House for Privileged Documents, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Or when they rated when Bob Muller rated the Roger

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<v Speaker 1>Stones House, and CNN just happened to be there at

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<v Speaker 1>five thirty.

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<v Speaker 5>In the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, they talked to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote a piece called an American Nightmare, and these

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<v Speaker 1>things happen and they shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well food for thought, and I'm glad you're able to

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<v Speaker 2>break this down. And I excellent explanation. I understand exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where you're coming from. And I know you provided my

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<v Speaker 2>listeners with at least a clear eyed perspective on the situation,

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<v Speaker 2>and Popcorn will remain out well.

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<v Speaker 5>I think your listeners. I think your listeners are smart people.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hearing an argument which is not one they're familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>here accustomed to hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what we all need. Don't live in an

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<v Speaker 2>echo chamber. Listen to someone different, different perspective. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>it's a refreshing thing to have a great you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of I don't want to say intellectual, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>patting myself on the back, but that's exactly what we

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<v Speaker 2>get an involved, you know, fact based, law based driven discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the point of this segment. That's why I love

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<v Speaker 2>having you on the show every week. God love you,

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<v Speaker 2>my man, Judge Ennitapolitana. I'll talk next week with you

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<v Speaker 2>and I help you have a wonderful, wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>Week, My friend, all the best friends. Thank you, Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a forty fifty five KRC the talk station, be

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