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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's going to happen? That's all right, Welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to chane It Down. I'm your host, Loomis Channitdownradio. Dot

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<v Speaker 2>com is the website, UH sacred site. Dot info is

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<v Speaker 2>the website for the documentary series. If you're if you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't checked it out yet, welcome again. This is episode

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and one. And if you are a regular

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<v Speaker 2>listener to this show, you know that our world is

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<v Speaker 2>run and owned by the Darker cult. I although I

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<v Speaker 2>touched on various bits a lot, I don't consider myself

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<v Speaker 2>an expert. I consider myself kind of like a student

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<v Speaker 2>in learning. And when I started looking at these these

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<v Speaker 2>occult groups, I had of very narrow, naive idea of

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<v Speaker 2>how it all works, almost like a cartoon version. You

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<v Speaker 2>could say, it's easy to throw everything in a basket

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<v Speaker 2>and write everything off. But there's a lot to look

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<v Speaker 2>at with the occult and nature of this information and

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<v Speaker 2>how it really works. And I look at it as

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<v Speaker 2>as they have a dark magic spell on humanity. They've

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<v Speaker 2>got us all chasing federal reserve notes here in America

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<v Speaker 2>or an equivalent in your country. You have magical sigils

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<v Speaker 2>on your money and humanity isn't a trance and they

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea. So today I got the occult rejects

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<v Speaker 2>in the house experts in their field of study. You

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<v Speaker 2>can catch the occult rejects on any podcast player. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of material out there, great stuff, deep

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<v Speaker 2>studies and a lot of great minds on some serious

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<v Speaker 2>topics of studies. So you guys are a wealth of

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge and welcome all to chant it down.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having us on.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh what did I do? Thank you appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah here we are all right. Well, yeah, great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you guys. So uh, I kind of wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>get into some like top level pyramid top of the

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<v Speaker 2>pyramid stuff here. I mean, so, I mean the question

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<v Speaker 2>is what dark occult group is at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the pyramid. I mean, who really runs this ship hole?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my second book ever, Down the rabbit Hole

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<v Speaker 2>was Committee of three hundred by doctor John Coleman, just

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<v Speaker 2>in front of Behold a Pale Horse. This is way back.

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<v Speaker 2>And although I think more of the people he's pointing

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<v Speaker 2>at are like bankers and geopolitical players and like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like royalty and roundtables, but I want to read this

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<v Speaker 2>real quick quote here and from him here, and he says,

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<v Speaker 2>what are the goals of the secret elite group the

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<v Speaker 2>Inheritors of Illuminism, Mariah conquering Wind, the Cult of Dionysius,

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<v Speaker 2>the cult of Isisism, Bogo Millism, the elite group that

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<v Speaker 2>calls itself the Olympians. And then he lists the goals

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what, we don't need to get into

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<v Speaker 2>that because but we can. But that kind of steers

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<v Speaker 2>the show in a different direction. But I thought we

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<v Speaker 2>could start there because a lot was said there, just

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<v Speaker 2>just in that little paragraph. What do you what do

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<v Speaker 2>you guys? Who do you guys think is running this

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<v Speaker 2>this this hell whole system? What kind of dark magic

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<v Speaker 2>are we dealing with here?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if somebody else wants to go first.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if I can actually give you an

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<v Speaker 4>exact person, specific group to blame, but it could be

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<v Speaker 4>able to say certain magic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but I don't know. If somebody wants to

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<v Speaker 3>go before.

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<v Speaker 5>I go, I'll throw in a little bit, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in the hat. I think that you don't know their

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<v Speaker 5>names on purpose, you don't know their location on purpose,

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<v Speaker 5>to know who they are means that they have lost

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<v Speaker 5>the game because another faction has taken over and casted

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<v Speaker 5>them below the top. When we discuss people that Rockefellers, Rothschild,

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<v Speaker 5>whomever they're they're at the top, but there I don't think,

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<v Speaker 5>in my opinion, that they still hold the power that

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<v Speaker 5>they did when they did. And I do believe that

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<v Speaker 5>you don't know the names of the people that are

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<v Speaker 5>at the top because they're vne amongst each other and

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<v Speaker 5>they like living in the shadows. They like living in anonymity.

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<v Speaker 5>There's more power that way. So I will throw that

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<v Speaker 5>two sins in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Cool.

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<v Speaker 6>I totally agree with Lisa. I think that was a

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<v Speaker 6>great articulation of it. I sort of am going through

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<v Speaker 6>I guess would say ideological changes. Maybe not ideological, but

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just looking at parapolytics very differently, very differently than

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<v Speaker 6>I would have two years ago. So for me, I

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<v Speaker 6>kind of am looking at, Yes, magic is real, and

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<v Speaker 6>so what do we do with that information? And what

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<v Speaker 6>do we do with the wisdom sciences and the texts

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<v Speaker 6>and the knowledge, and like people like Nick who are

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<v Speaker 6>parts of fraternal organizations, like what do we make of

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<v Speaker 6>all that in the midst of if we assume that

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<v Speaker 6>there's kind of a metapolitical elite factions, which I think

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<v Speaker 6>is true. And so I think that magic is not

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<v Speaker 6>good per se, but I think it's a tool that

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<v Speaker 6>which we can utilize, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>To.

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<v Speaker 2>Do whatever we want.

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<v Speaker 6>Really, I mean, but we we can have greater goals

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<v Speaker 6>and lesser goals, and so I think it's better that

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<v Speaker 6>we acknowledge that it's real and that we can use

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<v Speaker 6>it if we want, if we so will. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that's us where I'm at with it. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>how Nick's gonna follow me up, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I actually something that I think is good to

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe I wasn't even thinking of it this way before.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess I get into like, I guess my idea.

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<v Speaker 4>I think one thing to press, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>on how person is using magic, is it bad or good? Occultism?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe keeping things hidden on purpose I don't agree with.

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<v Speaker 4>But uh, you know again when it comes to magic,

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<v Speaker 4>and I guess, you know, I'm using the word of cults,

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<v Speaker 4>which does mean hidden. So I guess like I was saying,

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<v Speaker 4>like maybe things shouldn't be hidden. But as people use

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<v Speaker 4>the word a cult or magic, I think people might

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<v Speaker 4>be a little confused and think it's always negative. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know, before I go any father, like, just because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that this stuff is bad and it's being

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<v Speaker 4>used against us, doesn't mean that it always has to be.

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<v Speaker 4>I think if the person practices magic on themselves, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Will have an enlightenment and they.

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<v Speaker 4>Will actually grow as a person positively. But when you

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<v Speaker 4>use it against others, I think it just corrupts you.

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<v Speaker 4>So just saying that, uh, I can't say, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not necessarily blaming it on the Nazis, But what I

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<v Speaker 4>would say right now, I think the type of that

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<v Speaker 4>is really fucking people over is Nazi style magic, which

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<v Speaker 4>when I say Nazi style it doesn't necessarily mean sacrificing

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<v Speaker 4>people or you know, doing horrible shit, you know, to

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<v Speaker 4>actual people physically. You know, it doesn't even mean there's rituals.

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<v Speaker 4>When I say Nazi style of magic is handing you

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<v Speaker 4>video and audio that is not correct or you're not

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<v Speaker 4>looking at it the way it's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>They will present you visuals to.

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<v Speaker 4>Get you going and to fuck up your head, to

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<v Speaker 4>make you think certain ways, to make you react certain ways,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and like some examples they'll give you like

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<v Speaker 4>the Ukraine War at first, when a lot of that

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<v Speaker 4>stuff was going off, we had a's off battalion that

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<v Speaker 4>was for some reason giving the United States news companies

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on over there? Well, the azof battalion's fucking

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<v Speaker 4>Nazi battalion. Why are they handing the United States footage

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<v Speaker 4>to watch? Because they probably made it up and they

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<v Speaker 4>want people to believe whatever the fuck they're telling us

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<v Speaker 4>is going on over there, you know, And even the

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<v Speaker 4>thing with NASA, I would say, like almost the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>They're telling us shit about out of space, but I

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<v Speaker 4>don't believe they're actually telling us unciphered you know. It's

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<v Speaker 4>it's you actually have to understand what the fuck they're

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<v Speaker 4>saying to make sense out of it. I know everybody

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<v Speaker 4>wants to say that, you know, NASA is a propaganda

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<v Speaker 4>to an extent, it is, but it's because we don't

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<v Speaker 4>understand the way their context is. I think if we

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<v Speaker 4>understood what they were saying, we'd know a hell of

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more. But it be in a cult aspect,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's so much space as we look at it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's even another thing. I don't know if a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people know this. The whole idea we have of

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<v Speaker 4>what's out there has always been constructed and handed to

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<v Speaker 4>us from alchemists or ocultist anyway, so we shouldn't even

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<v Speaker 4>really go by what we think they're saying. But and again,

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<v Speaker 4>even with that, you know, somebody's telling us what's out there,

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<v Speaker 4>but we don't fucking know, just like how when we're

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<v Speaker 4>being handed something on the TV and it's like like

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<v Speaker 4>like another way to I guess explain it. And not

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm picking any side, but I remember one time

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<v Speaker 4>a while ago during the election, when the Proud Boys

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<v Speaker 4>and Antifa were fighting. Depending on which news channel you

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<v Speaker 4>saw it, they showed you a different clip to make it.

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<v Speaker 4>If you were on CNN, they made it look like

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<v Speaker 4>the Proud Boys through the first punch, and if you're

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<v Speaker 4>on Fox, it made it look like Antifa through the

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<v Speaker 4>first punch. So you don't know who the fuck actually

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<v Speaker 4>started what, you know what I'm saying, what really happened.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just showing you what they want you to believe,

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<v Speaker 4>so it gives you a certain, you know, feeling. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that is exactly really what's uh going on right now,

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<v Speaker 4>I think, and it's through politics, sexuality, a few other

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<v Speaker 4>things but uh, even with a lot of the conspiracies

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<v Speaker 4>that are going on right now, in my opinion, at

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<v Speaker 4>all it is is to create hate, you know. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's all, you know. Again, I'm not sticking up

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<v Speaker 4>for the Jews, but yo, not but nothing. You got

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of racist motherfuckers out there over that shit

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<v Speaker 4>that like, honestly, you should get your fucking head checked.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're that fucking feeling that fucking way, man.

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<v Speaker 4>There's something wrong with you, you know. And in just

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<v Speaker 4>other certain races or you know, sexualities. It's like, yo,

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<v Speaker 4>if you have that much fucking anger in you, like,

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<v Speaker 4>and you think you're godly, No, you gotta look in

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<v Speaker 4>the mirror, man, that's fucking satan, you know. It's just

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<v Speaker 4>it's just weird times, you know. And uh, And I

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<v Speaker 4>think like again, like Nazi style of magic is giving

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<v Speaker 4>you visuals and images and sounds to get you fucking

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<v Speaker 4>stirring and thinking you certain way to change the way

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<v Speaker 4>you act and the way you think.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I I would even say, like QAnon could be a

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<v Speaker 4>real good basic explanation of that. They gave you comms.

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<v Speaker 4>They really didn't even give you images. They gave you

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<v Speaker 4>words and people believe that shit to where they actually

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<v Speaker 4>live in a complete separate.

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<v Speaker 3>Reality of what the fuck ever we're living.

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<v Speaker 4>In because that shit's not real or it's the way

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<v Speaker 4>they're looking at it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's some serious magic.

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<v Speaker 4>You have actually convinced people that they're living in a

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<v Speaker 4>world that doesn't exist just due to fucking words on

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<v Speaker 4>a screen. And it's certain certain words that sound you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sit rep. Let's throw any calms. We'll throw in a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of things to make people feel like when they're

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<v Speaker 4>reading that they're educated in terms.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I know something now.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you got people basically bust the nuts over

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<v Speaker 4>weren't even using that word fucking five years ago, and

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<v Speaker 4>now because you think you know something about politics and

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<v Speaker 4>you're a Trump TRD, every time you yell treason, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just like fucking silly shit. I was watching that shit today.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, Yo, you b the fuck is it dumb?

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<v Speaker 4>Obama's not gonna get arrested. He has presidential immunity. And

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<v Speaker 4>presidents coming forward and presidents behind this more of excuse

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<v Speaker 4>to do the dumb shit they did. So honestly, Trump

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<v Speaker 4>us over and the ones in the past get away

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<v Speaker 4>with it now. Like, I don't think people realize what

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<v Speaker 4>controlled by images, memes, you know, fake fucking photos. That's

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<v Speaker 4>how I think is that I can't tell you the

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<v Speaker 4>exactly the person behind it, but the style of magic.

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<v Speaker 4>the people around us?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe a little bit of the TV. Now I got

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<v Speaker 4>Zimbabwe making me think I should act a certain fucking

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<v Speaker 4>way when I never would have known my motherfucker existed

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years ago. It isn't even real. I could be

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<v Speaker 4>watching an AI video and thinking I have to be

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<v Speaker 4>like that person so I can have friends. What the

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<v Speaker 4>fuck is going on? That's magic?

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<v Speaker 2>The screen magic. It's a bunch of screens telling everybody

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<v Speaker 2>what to think, how to act, and embedding ideas and ideologies.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I mean, I guess when you mentioned the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I think of the real society. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm no expert on really that too much. But that

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<v Speaker 2>is that is pretty good because that is the magic

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<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing in our lives. The uh, well, the

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<v Speaker 2>mind control magics. What it is, isn't it. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, even another reason why I did even kind of

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<v Speaker 4>give you certain names, but in my opinion, we are

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<v Speaker 4>seeing you know, nineteen forties kind of replaying out again,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Or we're seeing kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like the same tricks that they did back then.

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<v Speaker 3>I think here it's just you know, being labeled a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit different. You know, it's just weird.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we're we're having we have we have a

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<v Speaker 4>different reason to do it, but we're throwing people into

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<v Speaker 4>fucking buildings now, and it's like, how do we know

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on in there?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you hop the border, which I don't agree with,

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<v Speaker 4>but now we're gonna start stuffing in them into prisons

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<v Speaker 4>and like again they should they should be just sent

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<v Speaker 4>the fuck home, honestly, because now we're wasting tons and

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<v Speaker 4>tons of money on them.

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<v Speaker 3>That was another thing that blows my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was in the FEDS, do there was people

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<v Speaker 4>there for fucking years waiting to get deported. Why are

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<v Speaker 4>we giving the you know how much money it costs

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<v Speaker 4>to house somebody in the fucking Feds for a year?

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<v Speaker 4>Send them the fuck home? No, this there's a fucking

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<v Speaker 4>reason this is going on. But you know again, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just like, yo, why are we all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 4>toss some brown people in the fucking buildings?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>It's just you know, and it's just the thing for

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<v Speaker 4>me as Anna cult this, it's like, all right, well

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<v Speaker 4>they're in the middle of the road to melotonin, So like,

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<v Speaker 4>to me, that might be interesting. What the fuck is

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<v Speaker 4>up with their panel Glee? Because it's different than a

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<v Speaker 4>white person, they're different than a black person.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't hear you anyway, Lisa immuted.

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<v Speaker 7>It's good because I was laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, me and a friend we're doing a show. Well

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<v Speaker 2>we're still continuing on how we all. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there is interesting things about this is a little side trip,

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<v Speaker 2>but like how everybody got, you know, the different races

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<v Speaker 2>on Earth occurred, like I mean, the DNA is it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like the facial features and the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just the pigments. I mean, did it really happen the

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<v Speaker 2>way they said it did? But that's a side trip.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot more to look at it there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we're not that no one wants to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I've even said before this is gonna

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<v Speaker 4>sound crazy. We don't have to even go into it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the whole race war is just to

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<v Speaker 4>mimic the pupil and the scallere of your roible mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 4>because I do think that that has to change in

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<v Speaker 4>order to have a magical experience. Yeah, I know that

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<v Speaker 4>sounds fucking out there and way off, but I do

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<v Speaker 4>I do wonder about that at times.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting well, they certainly keep it, hold on to that

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<v Speaker 2>in any division they can divide people here in this

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<v Speaker 2>in this alternative media truth movement, whatever the fuck you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it. I mean they they hand this

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<v Speaker 2>community's things too, and people riff off of it. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like we're not immune to it either, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like we get we get it too. On our level

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<v Speaker 2>of study too, if we're not careful.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I would say, if you want to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how how fall Lisa wants to go

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<v Speaker 4>with this, but I would say, if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>get into maybe specific names of people who might and

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<v Speaker 4>now again, I do think you might be into the occult.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's more of a tech person who knows

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<v Speaker 4>what the fuck he's doing. But my opinion, I think

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Teal's got to slumb up the fucking the United

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<v Speaker 4>States is right now controlling it. I think he's controlling Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>he's controlling jd. Evans, probably knocked off whole Kogan too,

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<v Speaker 4>who the fuck knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, this is interesting what Nick's saying. Sorry, loomis no,

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<v Speaker 2>no go for it. I had nothing real good to say,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead. I just wanted to say.

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<v Speaker 6>What Nick's saying is really interesting because It's come up

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<v Speaker 6>in several discussions that I've had lately, is that this

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<v Speaker 6>idea of like parafictional magic, which is people will die.

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<v Speaker 6>So Haul Cogan could have died last week, like Nick

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<v Speaker 6>was sing, we don't know because we weren't there. We

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<v Speaker 6>have no no fucking idea, So he could have died

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<v Speaker 6>at any time, but they tell us magical dates or

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<v Speaker 6>they re narrativize the dates, so it's not untrue, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>he died recently, maybe died two days ago, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>not a magic number. So we're gonna just a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of Chinese people do this. This is why I know

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<v Speaker 6>about this, because especially for birthdays, they will do it.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're born in an inauspicious day or an unlucky

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<v Speaker 6>day or very very unlucky day. There are certain remedies

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<v Speaker 6>that people do and like they're kind of magical. I

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<v Speaker 6>would say, like one of the things is this happened

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<v Speaker 6>to Bruce Lee's. They dressed him as a girl for

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<v Speaker 6>a year and gave him a girl's name, so then

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<v Speaker 6>when that year was done, he became a boy and

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<v Speaker 6>then that was his actual birthday was one year later.

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<v Speaker 2>So me neither.

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<v Speaker 6>So there's a lot of ways that I think that

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<v Speaker 6>this happens with especially with people who know occult numbers

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<v Speaker 6>and know numerology and astrology. I think they pick dates

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<v Speaker 6>for themselves. I don't think it necessarily just aligns like

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<v Speaker 6>yes to a degree, yes, but in general I think

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<v Speaker 6>that they choose magic things to happen on magic numbers

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<v Speaker 6>or at least things that appear here magical. So I

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<v Speaker 6>know this has been something that Nick and Lisa I've

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<v Speaker 6>talked a lot a lot about on a NIXT show

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<v Speaker 6>is that it's like magic is about perception, exactly like

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<v Speaker 6>what Nick said, it's about what you believe, like your

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<v Speaker 6>own preconceptions of what you have around things, rather than

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<v Speaker 6>what they actually are.

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<v Speaker 5>And to build upon with Jinn said, doesn't royalty do

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<v Speaker 5>that with numbers like birth definitely like death dates. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know about birth dates, but I do know like

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<v Speaker 5>about marriage dates and all of that other stuff, royalty

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<v Speaker 5>do align the dates specifically to their liking or to

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<v Speaker 5>whatever they want it's more magical or powerful. And then

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<v Speaker 5>to build upon wa Joe was saying, Yeah, I one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred percent believe exactly what Jin is saying, and as

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<v Speaker 5>well as with Nick and then magic is the hammer.

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<v Speaker 5>You can either use it to help you or you

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<v Speaker 5>can use it to harm others. And usually if you're

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<v Speaker 5>that hammer on other people, it's probably too harm where

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<v Speaker 5>it's not in their favor because you're wanting to manipulate

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<v Speaker 5>a situation. But if you're using the hammer for yourself, obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, if you're using you know, you're probably

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<v Speaker 5>trying to benefit your situation or you're trying to benefit

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<v Speaker 5>yourself and grow as a person. And I do think

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<v Speaker 5>that when we initially my experience, when I heard about

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<v Speaker 5>the word occult or I heard the word of magic,

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<v Speaker 5>it had a negative connotation.

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<v Speaker 7>That was the I guess.

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<v Speaker 5>The society that I grew up in, the culture I

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<v Speaker 5>grew up in, that that was kind of the sentiment,

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<v Speaker 5>so to speak. But then when you go into the

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<v Speaker 5>Hispanic culture and you're speaking in Spanish, it didn't have that.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I existed in these two planes where in

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<v Speaker 5>the English speaking world of my life, magic was bad,

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<v Speaker 5>a cult was bad. In my Spanish speaking way of life,

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<v Speaker 5>magic was a tool. A cult was hidden knowledge that

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<v Speaker 5>the Shamans practiced, and that it was outside of the

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<v Speaker 5>realm of institutionalized and centralized medicine. So I mean, I

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<v Speaker 5>think it has a lot to do with breaking that

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<v Speaker 5>stigma and realizing that it is a tool, just it's portrayed.

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<v Speaker 5>And like Jim was saying, the perception is everything. Goebbels

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<v Speaker 5>was a master at this in the Nazi Party. That

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<v Speaker 5>perception was the actual way to sway and manipulate, and

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<v Speaker 5>that was a magic tool. And what he did, especially

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<v Speaker 5>what you said was screen What did you say, screen magic?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 2>They even see people compare these things phones to a

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<v Speaker 2>scrying mirror, you know. So yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I always like bringing this up.

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<v Speaker 4>As as Kirchis said back in the day, he said,

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<v Speaker 4>at some point you believe that, you know, in the future,

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<v Speaker 4>that through crystals and light, we'll be.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to project demons and spirits. I mean, and that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically exactly how how our technology works. I mean, are

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<v Speaker 4>all these screens line up with crystals and with the

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<v Speaker 4>internet that we have? All it is is flashing light

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<v Speaker 4>through fucking waters, so I mean technically through that and

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<v Speaker 4>then turning into Wi Fi you know whatever. But technically

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<v Speaker 4>the guy wasn't wrong. He said that in the sixteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, yeah, Well where is this technology really originating from? Too?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's probably an answer that leads up to the

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<v Speaker 2>top too, because this kind of this this stuff, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you were living a tribal member coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>the the forest, been living there your whole life, and

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<v Speaker 2>you saw that you can get internet anywhere, that's magic.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even I don't. I don't understand how Wi

422
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<v Speaker 2>Fi totally works. Like I can get it here in

423
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<v Speaker 2>this room. It's like it's like a radio station in

424
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<v Speaker 2>a way, but like it's just weird. It's like it's

425
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<v Speaker 2>magic in itself. So where's this technology coming from? It

426
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<v Speaker 2>seems like they're just giving us little bits, like giving

427
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<v Speaker 2>us a little here there here. You guys have these

428
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<v Speaker 2>phones now, but they're they're coming from like some kind

429
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<v Speaker 2>of stockpile of of you know, really high tech stuff,

430
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<v Speaker 2>and they're just there's slowly releasing it out to the public.

431
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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna jump in really quick. Loomis, Oh sorry, Loomis.

432
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<v Speaker 6>I think that the reality is is that technology is

433
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<v Speaker 6>magic to a high degree.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

435
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<v Speaker 6>I think it's basically indistinguishable. This is why I think

436
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<v Speaker 6>it's really important what Nick and Lisa both said. It's

437
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<v Speaker 6>like if you call magic evil but then post from

438
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<v Speaker 6>your phone, just to use a personal example, you're doing magic,

439
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<v Speaker 6>whether you acknowledge it or not. Maybe you remain in

440
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<v Speaker 6>ignorance or maybe you grow in wisdom. I think that's

441
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<v Speaker 6>interesting sort of way to put it.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't know.

443
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<v Speaker 5>We always like if we were to drop a car

444
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<v Speaker 5>back in I don't know eight hundred BC. They would

445
00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:16.519
<v Speaker 5>immediately say it was magic, or it was a devil,

446
00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:18.119
<v Speaker 5>or it was a demon, or it was it something

447
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.599
<v Speaker 5>because they don't understand it, they don't know how it works,

448
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:25.680
<v Speaker 5>they don't know what it is. Fear Fear taints and

449
00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.799
<v Speaker 5>colors the object, for instance, the car in this scenario

450
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<v Speaker 5>as being back as being magic because they fear it.

451
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<v Speaker 5>And the moment you place fear and you color it

452
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<v Speaker 5>with fear, it automatically becomes bad. And so with the technology,

453
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<v Speaker 5>like Jen was saying, I think it is it is magic,

454
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<v Speaker 5>and maybe a lot of it is that what we

455
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<v Speaker 5>perceive as chaos isn't really chaos.

456
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<v Speaker 7>We just don't understand the language.

457
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<v Speaker 5>We don't understand how it works, and immediately we immediately say, oh,

458
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<v Speaker 5>it's this or it's and maybe it is again, but

459
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:05.039
<v Speaker 5>we don't know the ins and outs of it per se.

460
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<v Speaker 5>But to an extent, it is magic. You are summoning information.

461
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.359
<v Speaker 5>I mean, isn't that the whole definition of acquiring the

462
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:17.839
<v Speaker 5>Akashak records? That you are summoning information that exists out

463
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<v Speaker 5>in this unorganized air into an actual scrying rock. And

464
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<v Speaker 5>you said, tribe tribal I mean John D when he

465
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<v Speaker 5>uses grying rock, it came from the Macha cup people,

466
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<v Speaker 5>the astic people, and that's where you got rock from,

467
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<v Speaker 5>and that's where he got And please correct me if

468
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<v Speaker 5>I'm wrong, most of the Innokian magic.

469
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<v Speaker 2>And so.

470
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<v Speaker 5>You're accessing this information and organizing it into this device

471
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<v Speaker 5>to project a more ordered form of information for you

472
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<v Speaker 5>to understand. And that's exactly it. I mean again, I

473
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<v Speaker 5>don't know, I don't know if that was incorrect, so

474
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<v Speaker 5>please correct me if I'm wrong.

475
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<v Speaker 6>I think that's great. So I mean, that's exactly what

476
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<v Speaker 6>Least said. It's like the ipsos, it's like the many

477
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<v Speaker 6>or what we're drawing knowledge. That's what really what it is,

478
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.319
<v Speaker 6>because that's what the Internet presents to us, like an

479
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:16.160
<v Speaker 6>infinite possibility of knowledge, specifically that word knowledge. But it

480
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:22.160
<v Speaker 6>comes with so many pitfalls, so much misinformation, so much

481
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:27.119
<v Speaker 6>false things, and even in truth things can also be false.

482
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<v Speaker 6>So I think that you brought this up, Blu misses

483
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<v Speaker 6>that like the even the quote unquote truth community, Like

484
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.279
<v Speaker 6>what truth are they really looking for? Because there's truth

485
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 6>that that's meaningful and truth that that is what I

486
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<v Speaker 6>would call a cleap up.

487
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<v Speaker 2>But maybe we won't go there today.

488
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<v Speaker 6>But it's it's it's a pitfall really, like it's like

489
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<v Speaker 6>a truth that doesn't really matter.

490
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<v Speaker 4>I had, you know, right, I don't know if anybody

491
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<v Speaker 4>here has an avenged sevenfold fan. Well, like I've posted

492
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 4>this and I really do think it really encapsulates humanity today.

493
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<v Speaker 4>And I'm sorry if people take it, you know, it's

494
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<v Speaker 4>their line. Uh, tell me a lie in a beautiful way.

495
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.799
<v Speaker 4>I believe in truth, but just not today. That's exactly

496
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:09.480
<v Speaker 4>what the fuck people want. They want to hear some

497
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.880
<v Speaker 4>alien ufo, fucking somebody got fucked in the ass and

498
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:14.039
<v Speaker 4>Alista Crowley did it.

499
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:15.359
<v Speaker 3>That's what they want to hear.

500
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:17.079
<v Speaker 4>They don't want to hear the fucking truth of science

501
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.400
<v Speaker 4>that they can't understand and it scares them.

502
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<v Speaker 3>So it's just fucking weird.

503
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<v Speaker 4>I can't understand this, it's not I can't digest this

504
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.079
<v Speaker 4>in a meme, so must be bullshit and I don't

505
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.440
<v Speaker 4>want to entertain it. But like you got people covering

506
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 4>some of the most ignorant shit being praised for that work.

507
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<v Speaker 4>There's something wrong.

508
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you. I well, I think the

509
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>pursuit for truth for some people it's just kind of

510
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 2>exposing this, you know, the darker agendas in the world,

511
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.920
<v Speaker 2>which you know, I get behind. But a lot of

512
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.799
<v Speaker 2>people will get into this and they they don't realize

513
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>what they're not really trying to dig out real truth,

514
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and they don't really want to take it that far,

515
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:00.759
<v Speaker 2>you know. And of course the the what is that

516
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>saying that?

517
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>The the.

518
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Two worst crimes I'm butcher butchering it is is not

519
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>getting started and not going all the way. So a

520
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:11.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of people don't want to go all the way

521
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.920
<v Speaker 2>when they really seek this knowledge and really go well this,

522
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I don't want to I don't want to

523
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.640
<v Speaker 2>go there. That just that's too much for me. I

524
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>just want to know a couple of things. So I guess, yeah,

525
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.759
<v Speaker 2>it's it's good that you said that, because what are

526
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.559
<v Speaker 2>people really seeking in this truth community? You know?

527
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:28.839
<v Speaker 4>But I think they're seeking more of dick and far

528
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.799
<v Speaker 4>jokes and dudes rubbing themselves down with baby ohill, that's

529
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 4>what I think they're seeking more.

530
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's half assed for sure. Yeah, well you know that,

531
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>it's I think dark there. There is definitely dark occultism

532
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:50.359
<v Speaker 2>where people are using this against us, but they're just

533
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>using like you guys have said a tool. So I

534
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 2>guess going back to kind of the original sort of

535
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.319
<v Speaker 2>thing we started with, is these Olympias they called themselves.

536
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<v Speaker 4>What when he said that was that I didn't get

537
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 4>that because in my opinion, maybe Gin and Lisa might

538
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 4>even thought the same thing when I heard Olympians, I'm like,

539
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 4>those are gods like we would use in magic, like

540
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 4>or planetary gods.

541
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't understand very yeah.

542
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I was like, technically, they're not like

543
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, they're really like not like they're

544
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 4>in the flesh. So like, I didn't understand where that

545
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 4>was coming from.

546
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that's what they called himselves, So I

547
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.759
<v Speaker 2>guess they think that of themselves, As you know.

548
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 4>I found that interesting people he said the Olympians. I'm like, see,

549
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.680
<v Speaker 4>now those are actual like planetary.

550
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 3>Gods and like what she said in Pika Tricks and stuff.

551
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 4>I did find that interesting that that was mentioned, because

552
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if most people would even know.

553
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 3>That, and they might think Olympians is something else. But

554
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how he was using it. I find

555
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:47.359
<v Speaker 3>that interesting.

556
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's using it because he got information at the

557
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 2>London I think it was a London library or somewhere

558
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>where he got a lot of this information and found

559
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 2>out about the Committee of three hundred. But this group

560
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>called self the Olympians. Now I don't know, but that

561
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, then then you get into the well, okay,

562
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.519
<v Speaker 2>is this is this going off off planet or interdimensional?

563
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know, like these blood line are

564
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 2>these the are these the blood lines of the Nephilum

565
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>where you know that we're put in charge of this planet?

566
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, is that what they're getting at. I don't know.

567
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just just going off riffing off of it. You know.

568
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think like even the Lisa's talked about it

569
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 4>on our show a bunch of times in different ways.

570
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:30.319
<v Speaker 4>I Mean, the blood line thing, I do think is

571
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 4>something that's trying to be kept for sure. I mean,

572
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 4>you could definitely see preserving blood or the DNA.

573
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>For a reason.

574
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>If they came from, like you know, fallen angels.

575
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but you know, I wonder how much

576
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 5>of it is that they're referring themselves to, Like they

577
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 5>don't want to call themselves elite because elite has now

578
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 5>been given a bad connotation, but they do consider themselves

579
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.680
<v Speaker 5>an elite group. You know, think of an Olympian, a

580
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.920
<v Speaker 5>person that trains and they get to the Olympics and

581
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 5>compete in the Olympics. Technically they are the elite in

582
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 5>their group, right, They basically competed against other people and

583
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 5>they qualify there and now they're going for the gold.

584
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 5>And maybe that's how they are perceiving themselves and why

585
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.519
<v Speaker 5>they refer to themselves unless they're Greek, I don't know.

586
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.359
<v Speaker 5>But it's interesting that they say themselves because it's like

587
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<v Speaker 5>if there's the three, you know, if them three hundred

588
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 5>morphed into the twelve. When I say twelve the Olympians,

589
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 5>the gods, they were a group of twelve, weren't they.

590
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 5>I mean in twelve in your group? I mean, is

591
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<v Speaker 5>that what we're saying.

592
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

593
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 5>And then when we go with blood lines, yeah, there's

594
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 5>definitely a search for bloodlines. Blood lines have been very important.

595
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 5>If most of the important texts that we know they

596
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 5>document bloodlines. There's this constant surveillance of blood throughout when

597
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 5>and I go back to Royalty because I think their

598
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:19.559
<v Speaker 5>decisions us what is important to them, and they do

599
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 5>all kinds of blood testing to see who is related,

600
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 5>and you can only marry who is related, and keeping

601
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.960
<v Speaker 5>the bloodlines clean and what have you. It is important

602
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 5>to them. And so my assumption is that it is

603
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 5>important in a grander scheme that we don't understand or

604
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 5>don't see it how they see it.

605
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 4>So one thing I would like to add to what

606
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 4>she's even saying, even when it comes to science and

607
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 4>physiology in the body. You know, me and Lisa and

608
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 4>I even myself are doing solo work, have like showed

609
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 4>multiple times people from the fifteen to sixteen hundreds that

610
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.880
<v Speaker 4>are drawing eyeballs and brains and nerves and talking about

611
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.359
<v Speaker 4>the blood. You know, that's how long ago you know,

612
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 4>they were occultists. They understood that. There's a lot of times,

613
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, there is actually science, like legit science

614
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 4>about the body that's even being shown in occultism, and

615
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.960
<v Speaker 4>people don't catch it at all. You know, But if

616
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.640
<v Speaker 4>you start looking back at some of the people that influenced,

617
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, all the bad guys that we have now, uh,

618
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, the ogs that nobody even knows the exist

619
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 4>they're looking at, you know, how the eyeball works, how

620
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 4>it works with the brain. You know, they're talking about

621
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 4>how blood is important. You know, you're talking about alchemy

622
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.920
<v Speaker 4>and saying it's not even metals, that it's spiritual. You know,

623
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 4>you have to start wondering is there actually some science

624
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 4>behind the magic as well? Because they were talking about

625
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 4>it then, how could we don't hear about it now?

626
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 4>You know, so like you know, even getting into just

627
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 4>tying the blood into it. You know, they were looking

628
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 4>at that stuff a long time ago. Yeah, I think, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the people, Robert Flood, I think, uh, Lisa

630
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<v Speaker 4>correct d it was you who found it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't he the one.

632
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 4>Who I think kind of figured out or like worked

633
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 4>on somebody's something with blood pressure, the way the blood flowed.

634
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I think, so, yeah, I know it's yeah, and I

635
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 4>know I put it in the in the in the show,

636
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 4>but it was something that you had told me about

637
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 4>and I looked into it more. But I mean, you know,

638
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 4>even he was you know, this guy was from the

639
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 4>sixteen hundreds. He was an alchemist, and you know that

640
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 4>guy was like basically kind of set the set the

641
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 4>standard of like something to do with blood flow. You know,

642
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 4>these these people were into ship like that.

643
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<v Speaker 5>But you know, when you look at okay, you're saying Olympians,

644
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 5>and I'm thinking Greece, and correct me if I'm wrong, Gen, please,

645
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:41.160
<v Speaker 5>stuff and that Greece and Turkey as somewhat of a

646
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 5>bridge between Sufiism and all of coming from the East

647
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 5>into the West. And you had this this kind of bridge,

648
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:58.240
<v Speaker 5>I think. And so most of what we know with

649
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 5>occultism is Western occultism, and most of the Western occultism

650
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 5>originated in the East. They borrowed it, or they synthesized it,

651
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 5>or they made it their own and put their own

652
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 5>label on it, but most of it came from them,

653
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.760
<v Speaker 5>and a lot of nipple stuff, a lot of the

654
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 5>scientific stuff. Almost all the polymaths, all of the occulties

655
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 5>of old were polymaths everything everything from literature, debate, to

656
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 5>medical science, astronomy. They knew everything. And I believe, Jenny,

657
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 5>please correct me if I'm wrong. You had this huge

658
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 5>East that came across and you have this pivot almost

659
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 5>within Greece and Turkey, I mean geographically speaking, and then

660
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.800
<v Speaker 5>it moves over into the West.

661
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 7>Is that correct, Gen.

662
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.280
<v Speaker 6>That's exactly what happened, Lisa, you said it really well,

663
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 6>so absolutely, I think that that's a really interesting way

664
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 6>and I think that's sort of why we all work

665
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.199
<v Speaker 6>well together on the when that invites me on and

666
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 6>Lisa is obviously on the with me. Is that is

667
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 6>because we kind of are able to like suspend our

668
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 6>disbelief in sort of the modern ideas of how occult

669
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 6>texts got transmitted. So obviously this is a running joke

670
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 6>on the show. I'm sorry, Nick, I'm not trying to

671
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 6>tease you, but we say, well, I will say it's

672
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 6>a larp or I'll say we was kings wearer kind

673
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.960
<v Speaker 6>of words. So a lot of a lot of modern

674
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 6>occultists do we as kings, which means that they believe

675
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 6>that they are the originator of all that'll call knowledge. Right,

676
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.800
<v Speaker 6>everybody does this, every ethnicity, every single one. I can

677
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 6>guarantee you there's not a you know, there's not a

678
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 6>tribal there's not a tribal group in this world that

679
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Speaker 6>doesn't believe that they are the chosen people. So I'm

680
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 6>not going to say that, but yeah, so I also

681
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 6>have I'm a Central Asianist by sort of how I

682
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 6>look at the world, loo miss, And so for me,

683
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 6>it definitely what Lisa said, It's like Turkey is such

684
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 6>an important point it's a point of person Persianification. That's

685
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 6>really where a lot of this idea ideas come from.

686
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 6>Is really is Zorastrianism, if you want to call it.

687
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>That.

688
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 6>A lot of our sort of alcoholism, whether it's Eastern

689
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 6>or Western, there is sort of like where they're meeting

690
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 6>in the middle the world island.

691
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 2>You could even say, so an origin point. You're saying

692
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of in Turkey, you think, I think that's that's

693
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>very close to the truth.

694
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 6>I think that you see in Turkey because Turks aren't Arabs, right,

695
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 6>So we ascribe a lot of our modern medical knowledge

696
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 6>to the Arabic texts. But the Arabic texts were actually

697
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 6>written by Mughalized meaning Persianified North Indians. So is it

698
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.559
<v Speaker 6>really Arab knowledge? I mean, I don't really think it matters.

699
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 6>That's not how I sort of think of it. But

700
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm just when we're looking at a continuum of ocult ideas,

701
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 6>we have to say that this kind of Aryan Persian,

702
00:36:53.880 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 6>Kashmir KASHMIRI sort of like Tibetan, Kazakhstani, Azerbaijani, Armenian. There's

703
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 6>kind of a nexus point. There's a nexus point with

704
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 6>all these different religions Christianity included and esoteric Christianity maybe

705
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.039
<v Speaker 6>the most important in terms of how we understand the

706
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.199
<v Speaker 6>different Like Lisa was saying, it's like a wheel that

707
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 6>pushed all the information in all ten directions.

708
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 7>You'd say, yeah.

709
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:20.960
<v Speaker 5>And the reason I bring this up because you mentioned

710
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.679
<v Speaker 5>the Olympians in that they consider themselves to be at

711
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 5>the top, and so where do you sit at the top.

712
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 5>It's going to be advantage point or a vantage view

713
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 5>where you can see all. You can see into the east,

714
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 5>and you can see into the west, you can see

715
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 5>into the north, and you can see into the south.

716
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 7>They are doing.

717
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 5>They sit at the top like on Mount Olympus, right,

718
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 5>they could see over everything and synthesize all knowledge and

719
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.039
<v Speaker 5>incorporate it into their own and utilize it for their

720
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 5>own And that's what I'm assuming is what is happening

721
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 5>with all that. But again going back to the bloodline,

722
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 5>I think that is very very important. They do think

723
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:10.840
<v Speaker 5>there's a preservation for a purpose, but we cannot forget

724
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 5>that they are they were privy if they are bloodlines

725
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 5>and they preserved and that means that they've preserved knowledge

726
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 5>as well.

727
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 7>They probably were at.

728
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 5>The new ground zero during the biting of the apple,

729
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 5>don't take of the fruit of knowledge and evil. They

730
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 5>decide to take the bite, and they want all knowledge,

731
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 5>regardless if it's good or evil, and so they sit

732
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:40.280
<v Speaker 5>at that point absorbing the knowledge for regions. In my mind,

733
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.280
<v Speaker 5>that's how I see that.

734
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that.

735
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 6>The Olympian point is also really important. Like Lisa, I

736
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 6>know she keeps coming back to it because it's so important. No,

737
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 6>it is important because I think it's about archetypes. I mean,

738
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to speak for Lisa or Nick. I

739
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.119
<v Speaker 6>just want to say I think it's about.

740
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 2>At least one layer, one layer.

741
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 6>You should say there are multiple layers of meaning, right,

742
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.599
<v Speaker 6>but I think at one layer, I think it's about

743
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.039
<v Speaker 6>the planetary archetypes, the actual god names that people are

744
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.519
<v Speaker 6>familiar with. Like when people say, like Jupiter, I know

745
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 6>that's not a Greek name, that's a Roman name for

746
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 6>the quote unquote same deity. But we're saying they're equivalent.

747
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.239
<v Speaker 6>I'm just saying they're cosmologically equal. For this conversation, I

748
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 6>think when people don't understand like what that actually means,

749
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.760
<v Speaker 6>like Nick was saying, like from the pictrix, there is

750
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:33.119
<v Speaker 6>a hierarchy. There's a hierarchy in angelic intelligences and also

751
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 6>planetary like there's there's layers of how these things should

752
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.519
<v Speaker 6>be understood, and everything is kind of ordered underneath God.

753
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 6>So people get really caught up with these what I

754
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 6>have called lower density names, and because that's exactly how

755
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 6>a book like The Pictricks would describe it. It's a

756
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 6>lower quality name. You're drawing something else. So if you're

757
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 6>doing an invocation or an election to Jupiter, you're probably

758
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.800
<v Speaker 6>going to do it for my maybe getting a job

759
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.159
<v Speaker 6>maybe depends. It depends. Different people have different ways they work.

760
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 6>But you can do it for that. You can do

761
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 6>it for like maybe a promotion that would be a

762
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:13.400
<v Speaker 6>really good jubiterarian working. So I think that people draw

763
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 6>in these archetypes in the lesser quality is what I'm saying,

764
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.119
<v Speaker 6>So they try and embody it like a CEO that

765
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:23.519
<v Speaker 6>fulfills a lot of magical archetypes. A tech CEO fulfills

766
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 6>a lot of magical archetypes because tech is also magic

767
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.079
<v Speaker 6>to a degree. So you could say these are quote

768
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.400
<v Speaker 6>unquote modern alchemists. Now do I think they're very smart?

769
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 6>Not really, but there are really smart people in the sciences,

770
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.760
<v Speaker 6>and there are really smart people doing tech work. So

771
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:41.960
<v Speaker 6>I think it's about it's kind of a race to

772
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 6>see which idea wins. It's kind of liberated absolutely, you know,

773
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 6>ecosystem of information or a more hyper controlled one.

774
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:58.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And just to kind of interject into exactly what

775
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 5>j'en said in that it it is they I feel

776
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 5>like maybe the Olympians where they sit in the Committee

777
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 5>of three hundred, or probably the Polymaths of the three hundred,

778
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 5>they are sitting at the very top. They are the

779
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.679
<v Speaker 5>administrative staff. I don't know something, and that they and

780
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:22.800
<v Speaker 5>everything that we see today and we talk about today,

781
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 5>that that is where they're trying to do the most manipulation.

782
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 5>Whether it's biological, whether it's electromagnetic, whether it's human consciousness,

783
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 5>whether anything that you have heard on some sort of

784
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 5>truth or conspiracy podcast. They've looked into it, and they

785
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.239
<v Speaker 5>probably have their own science team, they probably have their

786
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.599
<v Speaker 5>own lab, They probably outsource their stuff, and they are

787
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.000
<v Speaker 5>aware of it all because that is important to them.

788
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 5>And again we go back to the synthesis of knowledge

789
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.320
<v Speaker 5>and that they know they're taking from all the different

790
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 5>cultures and all the different belief systems and synthesizing something

791
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 5>for themselves and taking a bite of that apple.

792
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about Zoroastrianism. Is that right? Would that

793
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.360
<v Speaker 2>have come from something else? Though? Like would they have

794
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 2>taken that from the Samerians or the Acadians or I

795
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>mean it's that same region. So do you think it

796
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>even came goes further back? Or what are we looking

797
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 2>at here?

798
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 6>Okay, I'll just say really, I'll see my part really

799
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.639
<v Speaker 6>quick and then I'll let weecond LEAs a go. So

800
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 6>for me, I don't think it matters lumis. That's how

801
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.119
<v Speaker 6>I sort of look at it. I'm more like, we

802
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.719
<v Speaker 6>have this information. We know it came from about the

803
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 6>first century AD, maybe the first century DC. We have

804
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 6>texts that come before, sure, one hundred percent, But what again,

805
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 6>what narratives do we believe? It's like the ecosystem of ideas,

806
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 6>which ones do we build our world around? So for me,

807
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 6>I just think, okay, yeah, sure, it's all those stories,

808
00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 6>the other ones that came before. They're great, they're nice,

809
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 6>so it's beautiful. Okay, But I because I'm a Buddhist liimits.

810
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 6>So for me, we believe it, we treat religion or

811
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.880
<v Speaker 6>not religion. Me, we treat cycles much more axially, so

812
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.280
<v Speaker 6>it progresses. We're always in a progression forward. Doesn't mean

813
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 6>that it's not a cycle. Sure it's a cycle, but

814
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 6>what we do with it in our consciousness right now,

815
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Speaker 6>like this very moment, like us in discourse right now,

816
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.400
<v Speaker 6>the four of us, like what do we take of

817
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 6>these little these ideas that we're talking about and then

818
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 6>move it forward into our conversations like in a week

819
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:36.920
<v Speaker 6>or in a month, or like.

820
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.280
<v Speaker 2>The ways that I'm more interested in.

821
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 6>Consciousness is I guess what I'm saying, rather than speculative archaeology.

822
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I didn't mean to take that long Beta. Yeah,

823
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Lea's sake over, you can go, Lisa.

824
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 5>So the what I know about Zoroastrianism and Zarathustra was

825
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 5>the stuff that Nick and I covered on vehicul Rechecks

826
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 5>when we looked at occultists from the past, and to me,

827
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 5>it was a very interesting trip down what is available

828
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 5>historically about that. Now we all know that history is

829
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 5>written by the winner, Honker right, and so have to

830
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 5>look at all history as okay, who's.

831
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 7>Giving who wrote it?

832
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 5>And what was the skirmish that led to this person

833
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 5>writing that, but and knowing that what we do have, Yes,

834
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 5>Zoroastrianism does come from that area. To answer your question,

835
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 5>or at least that's what it is said, and please

836
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:44.119
<v Speaker 5>correct me if I'm wrong here.

837
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.679
<v Speaker 6>That seems like that seems like what it's said. I mean,

838
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.880
<v Speaker 6>that seems like our origin point. So we just say speculatively,

839
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 6>that's our origin point, right.

840
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.320
<v Speaker 5>That's our data point. That's what we know so far.

841
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.000
<v Speaker 5>And I like to say that to nick a lot,

842
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 5>it's a data point. We don't know if it's right.

843
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 5>We don't know now, liar, we don't know what. At

844
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 5>some point we're collecting all the data and we'll see

845
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 5>where it falls on the graph, right, But.

846
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 7>I will say that it is.

847
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 5>It is older than some of the religions that today,

848
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, kind of are more of the headliners, you know,

849
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.239
<v Speaker 5>or the super bowls of the religions. And it does

850
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 5>come from that region. It has it crept into other religions.

851
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure it has. I'm sure at some point there's synthesis.

852
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean, being a Hispanic, I know a lot about

853
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.599
<v Speaker 5>the belief system of the indigenous because it was married

854
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.480
<v Speaker 5>into Catholicism. Because I was the only way. The indigenous

855
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 5>were just going to uptake it. Now, I think that's

856
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Speaker 5>true of other tribes or other peoples. In order to

857
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 5>come in and bring in your thought, your belief system,

858
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.599
<v Speaker 5>you had to somehow adopt it into what they currently

859
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.760
<v Speaker 5>were doing. They're not going to incorporate tomatoes into someone's

860
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:00.679
<v Speaker 5>diet if they've never seen it how to use it.

861
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 7>Same thing with religion.

862
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 5>So I think that I've heard the narrative that zero

863
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 5>Astrium is just Islam, or as lom as just Zoroastrium.

864
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 7>I'm sure there's.

865
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 5>Remnants and there's I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

866
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.840
<v Speaker 5>But with the Zoroastrianism, yes, it is a completely different

867
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.280
<v Speaker 5>belief system to.

868
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 7>What we do know.

869
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.000
<v Speaker 5>But I will say, if you look at the actual

870
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 5>person that they attribute Zoroastrianism, he had a lot of

871
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.320
<v Speaker 5>inspiration from Pythagoras. And yet you know, we have a

872
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 5>lot of these secret societies that all get their belief

873
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.320
<v Speaker 5>system from Pythagoras as well. All these people were building

874
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:47.000
<v Speaker 5>upon each other, All these people were incorporating these ideas

875
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 5>into their belief system because they were all seeking knowledge

876
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 5>as well. They were all seeking the truth as well.

877
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if that answers your question that was

878
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 5>really long when died to apologize.

879
00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good, it's pretty good, very nicely.

880
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess my answer and why I had to let

881
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 4>Lisa go first is because mine Pia just actually probably

882
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 4>kill the whole the whole question, unfortunately.

883
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But it's just that's my opinion.

884
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 4>I think most of these stories and all these different

885
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, pantheons, I think that is a group of

886
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:26.599
<v Speaker 4>people that happened to start having their own magical experiences

887
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:31.199
<v Speaker 4>and started using art and symbols to express it. I

888
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.239
<v Speaker 4>just think different areas just have different art. And what

889
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm getting at is like these symbols in this art

890
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 4>and these gods that they create are archetypes to express

891
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:53.639
<v Speaker 4>the experience of dying and coming back. And you know,

892
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:55.719
<v Speaker 4>that would be my opinion, that's what happens when you

893
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.679
<v Speaker 4>cross the abyss, so have a magical experience, you separate

894
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.159
<v Speaker 4>your soul from the body or tell pretty damn far

895
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 4>and uh you know, just say and it sounds crazy,

896
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 4>but uh yeah, it's the experience the visuals that they see,

897
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 4>and then I think they're even expressing and I know

898
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 4>this sounds crazy, like I think a lot of gods

899
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of archetypes are actually parts of your body.

900
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 4>And when you have this magical experience, things change, and

901
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 4>that change is depicted in god names and all this

902
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 4>other stuff. But you know, I have even said before,

903
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, when you want to start getting into it,

904
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 4>even when you start looking at how the nervous system

905
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 4>looks in the body, it looks a little bit like wings.

906
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 4>And what does the nervous system do? They send messages?

907
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.039
<v Speaker 4>My opinion, I think angels are just fucking nervous system.

908
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 4>That's one part of it. You know, Jim was saying

909
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.360
<v Speaker 4>before that you have all these different these different levels

910
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 4>of angels or gods and this and that. I have

911
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 4>said this multiple times. There is basically one male and

912
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.519
<v Speaker 4>one female and then all those other fucking names. We're

913
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 4>all just the same person going through their journey and

914
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.679
<v Speaker 4>changing through an alchemical experience. It's like if I, you know,

915
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 4>had a flashlight and I shined it here onto the wall,

916
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.079
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna have Isis and Isis and raw or Isis

917
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.039
<v Speaker 4>and Osiris just those two. I mean, I could probably

918
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 4>go back fall the Hathorne Raw whatever those two. Now,

919
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, between this Flashlight and that wall are gonna

920
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 4>change into all these other characters until they finally hit

921
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.360
<v Speaker 4>the wall different spaces of time, And I honestly think,

922
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:31.119
<v Speaker 4>like that's.

923
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's again. I'll put it this way.

924
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Tooth is Horace and Raw at some other point, you know,

925
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 4>it is all just the same one or two male

926
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.519
<v Speaker 4>and female energies that are going through this love dance

927
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 4>like a DNA and changing, you know, as they're intermingling.

928
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, so I guess what I'm getting at

929
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.039
<v Speaker 4>is I think a lot of these gods actually and

930
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:53.559
<v Speaker 4>all these.

931
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Pantheons really aren't literal.

932
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 4>There's another thing I say on the show, I don't

933
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.639
<v Speaker 4>believe these things again just for me maybe because like

934
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 4>if that at some point I stopped reading comic books.

935
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't think like fucking Thori is some real fucking

936
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:06.400
<v Speaker 4>dude that's.

937
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Gonna come down and smashing people with his hammer. You know,

938
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

939
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 4>There's you know, uh, it's Modious is waiting in some

940
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.519
<v Speaker 4>room for someone to fucking call him down so he

941
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 4>can manifest and start doing horrible shit. It's all parts

942
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.639
<v Speaker 4>of your fucking mind and your whatever your body. I

943
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.800
<v Speaker 4>don't believe these things are like the way people look

944
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 4>at them.

945
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:25.719
<v Speaker 2>You know.

946
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:27.239
<v Speaker 3>So that's why I said, it kind of kills the

947
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 3>whole the whole question.

948
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.480
<v Speaker 4>You're asking because I just kind of basically shit on

949
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 4>all those ideas. But again, you know, they I think

950
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 4>they do tell a story, but I just think the

951
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.800
<v Speaker 4>deepest story of it is, uh, is actually physiology, parts

952
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:42.320
<v Speaker 4>of the body and the experience of dying and coming back.

953
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I've never thought about it like that. That's awesome.

954
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you like one thing, like this is my

955
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 4>honest opinion because of fucking with magic. If you have

956
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.920
<v Speaker 4>you ever seen the movie Flat Liners, that shit has

957
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.239
<v Speaker 4>to be real because of my appearance. That's just that's

958
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.559
<v Speaker 4>a hack to have a magical experience. I'll go into

959
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.559
<v Speaker 4>a meditation to knock myself out. They'll just use fucking

960
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.679
<v Speaker 4>medications that knock themselves out and bring them back.

961
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Same thing.

962
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 5>That's really uh, Please correct me if I'm the so

963
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 5>Thustra J. How do you say his name? I don't

964
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:17.679
<v Speaker 5>know how you say his name? Okay, he was in

965
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 5>meditative stance on the river bank when he had an

966
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 5>experience with God. Everything that you're talking about meditation and

967
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 5>most of these people. I'm assuming most of these people

968
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 5>that are practicing magic for themselves are wanting to have

969
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:35.519
<v Speaker 5>an experience with God. They're wanting to have an experience

970
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 5>with a divine or with something outside of themselves, bigger

971
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 5>than themselves. And I think that they want to cut

972
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 5>out the middleman and and no longer adhere to the

973
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 5>middleman and just me and me and JC or me

974
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 5>and g O D or me and whoever want to

975
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 5>just have that conversation without someone interpreting or having the

976
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 5>type of of a you know, middleman situation. But you know,

977
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 5>with your question going back to Zas, yes, this is

978
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:13.079
<v Speaker 5>where I guess again, Jin please please please please correct

979
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 5>me if I'm wrong. Zoroastrianism is where we start to

980
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:23.320
<v Speaker 5>see dualism enter into the Western religion. This is where

981
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 5>we get eschatology, this is where we get angelogy, and

982
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 5>dualism is in that Trojan Or Am I wrong on that?

983
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>No, You're totally correct.

984
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 6>Like before Zoroastrianism, there really wasn't a philosophy of religion.

985
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 6>There was just practical ritual texts, like just texts that

986
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.239
<v Speaker 6>you did performed for state rituals or maybe private rituals,

987
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.039
<v Speaker 6>whatever it wasn't. It wasn't like people didn't think about

988
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 6>it in these like more intricate ways.

989
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:55.920
<v Speaker 5>So the world wasn't ending like in eschatology type scenarios, right.

990
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Speaker 2>It just continued.

991
00:52:56.920 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 6>You just performed the daily sacrifices or the daily and

992
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:01.880
<v Speaker 6>the world just continued.

993
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:02.480
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't.

994
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.960
<v Speaker 6>It wasn't particularly demarketed by time. Now, this is really

995
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 6>interesting because even the concept of time and divinity comes

996
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.760
<v Speaker 6>from this split that Lisa's referring to. In early Babylon,

997
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 6>they applied Aristotelian logic to ritual text and then derived

998
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 6>the philosophy of religion, meaning that they can speculate on

999
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 6>the nature of God. Zoroastanism is very specific that you

1000
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:33.000
<v Speaker 6>do not speculate on the nature of God because God

1001
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:36.719
<v Speaker 6>is all that is good, that's the primordial idea. But

1002
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 6>when you speculate on them on Him in your consciousness

1003
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 6>exists a husk that like the if you believe God

1004
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.679
<v Speaker 6>can be any part of evil, then that sort of

1005
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:50.719
<v Speaker 6>takes shape in the world. So that's really what Lisa

1006
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.719
<v Speaker 6>is speaking to, is like this idea of dualism. This

1007
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.960
<v Speaker 6>is something that I think the Dharmic religions get really right.

1008
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:00.920
<v Speaker 6>Is that we really put a high emphasis on non duality,

1009
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 6>so not understanding like spell text. So when they say

1010
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.840
<v Speaker 6>ferocious things for us, it doesn't mean that it's actually

1011
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.679
<v Speaker 6>a coded language, a twilight language that you have to

1012
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.320
<v Speaker 6>sort of pierce the densities understand it. Like Nick is saying,

1013
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 6>like you have to understand it at a biological level,

1014
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 6>you have to understand the level of consciousness and maybe

1015
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 6>a secret.

1016
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Level, maybe a more magician's level.

1017
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 6>So that's that's a lot what I think where all

1018
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 6>the three of us are. I think we're coming at

1019
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.440
<v Speaker 6>it from different angles, but we're saying very much the

1020
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.079
<v Speaker 6>same thing. Is that the story presentation, the mythology doesn't

1021
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 6>really matter that much.

1022
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.119
<v Speaker 2>It's it's yes, it can help you, but you shouldn't.

1023
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not a crutch.

1024
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.719
<v Speaker 6>And people, especially in modern magic, tend to use it

1025
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.519
<v Speaker 6>as a crutch. And I'm not saying it as.

1026
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.199
<v Speaker 4>Like especially the Zodiac call man, it's everybody's past on

1027
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:50.719
<v Speaker 4>doing dumb.

1028
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:51.239
<v Speaker 7>The shit.

1029
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.239
<v Speaker 6>Totally is yeah, you're not a passive agent. And I

1030
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 6>think that's what Zarathustra was also saying. It was like

1031
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.199
<v Speaker 6>you need to be performing these acts. He called them tapisa,

1032
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 6>which is you are the flame. You are the flame

1033
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:11.400
<v Speaker 6>of perception. So all the work that you need to

1034
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 6>do is inward. It's all turned inward to yourself, and

1035
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:17.519
<v Speaker 6>that's where the experience of God will be.

1036
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

1037
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 2>So here's a little little direction changes slightly. But I've

1038
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted to kind of know this a little bit. I mean,

1039
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>what is the Is there a is there an application

1040
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 2>that for gold and magic like to gold? Is there

1041
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 2>something that gold is so important about gold? Like through

1042
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:43.599
<v Speaker 2>history people are trying to chase this stuff that has

1043
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Speaker 2>no intrinsic value, yet it's it's so valuable that all

1044
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 2>these people are Is there is there a magic application

1045
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.639
<v Speaker 2>with gold? I mean, what what is so important about gold?

1046
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.760
<v Speaker 2>And why are these people chase it so much everywhere?

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00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:58.559
<v Speaker 7>I'll take a standout at first.

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00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:03.920
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so gold is the most and gen police correct

1049
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 5>me if I'm wrong.

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00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.320
<v Speaker 7>Gold is one of one of.

1051
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 5>The metals that's the least reactive with other elements, and

1052
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 5>so you can you.

1053
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:14.519
<v Speaker 7>Can wear it all the time and it's not going

1054
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 7>to turn green.

1055
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, you can put it into something and it's

1056
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 5>not going to it's not going to react readily with

1057
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:27.480
<v Speaker 5>that other elements. And I think one. That's what they

1058
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:31.320
<v Speaker 5>what chemists love about gold. What I do know about

1059
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 5>gold is that gold is not created on Earth. It

1060
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:38.119
<v Speaker 5>never has been. Gold is in police, correct me if

1061
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 5>I'm wrong. Gold is the product of supernova's dying, right, crashing, bursting,

1062
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.679
<v Speaker 5>And so at some point something happened that we ended

1063
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 5>up with a whole lot of gold, whether we were

1064
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.679
<v Speaker 5>near a supernova or we were with a star collapsing

1065
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.239
<v Speaker 5>or something like that, and we ended up with that.

1066
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.679
<v Speaker 5>And usually what happens is that when you have like

1067
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.519
<v Speaker 5>a bursting or a crash or a dying of a star,

1068
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.960
<v Speaker 5>it ejects, you know, all kinds of material, and that

1069
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:13.400
<v Speaker 5>ejection tends to you know, do you know, I guess

1070
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:18.199
<v Speaker 5>what send out? And then we acquire it in our

1071
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Speaker 5>Earth's crust land whatever, and then you know, more dirt

1072
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 5>gets laid on top, or lava gets laid on top,

1073
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.280
<v Speaker 5>or the flood comes and puts that into the ground.

1074
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:33.199
<v Speaker 5>So when we are mining gold, we're actually mining something

1075
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:37.480
<v Speaker 5>that is not produced by the Earth per se. It

1076
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.199
<v Speaker 5>was somehow given to us by the universe or the

1077
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:44.400
<v Speaker 5>collapsing of stars. And that's why it's finite there. The

1078
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.639
<v Speaker 5>Earth cannot produce what I guess. The Earth doesn't produce gold,

1079
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:51.159
<v Speaker 5>so it's a finite quantity. So you know, the law

1080
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 5>of you know, economics is that we're not making anymore.

1081
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 5>So why do we want to create more gold? I

1082
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 5>think because alchemically when it has a high value. But

1083
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 5>to the fact that it's it's a very stable compound

1084
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 5>and it doesn't react with a whole lot of other compounds,

1085
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 5>I think, m.

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00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would even say with gold, I would even

1087
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.599
<v Speaker 4>go more I guess into science with that too, or

1088
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:21.840
<v Speaker 4>I can't really explain it too much, but I do

1089
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:29.400
<v Speaker 4>think that for neither vibratory cimatics or I think in

1090
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 4>a science way, gold actually can help maybe change frequencies

1091
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:39.039
<v Speaker 4>stuff to do with, you know, with electricity. It may

1092
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:41.239
<v Speaker 4>sound crazy, but I do actually think that is one

1093
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.519
<v Speaker 4>of the reasons why the Catholic Church might sometimes put

1094
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 4>certain you know, gold and use a lot of stuff.

1095
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:49.159
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of times now not a lot of

1096
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.719
<v Speaker 4>times without finding out now and like I'm just wondering

1097
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 4>the type of metals have anything to do with it too.

1098
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 4>They're finding out now that there's churches that just the

1099
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:01.719
<v Speaker 4>way they're built is will change the sound of the

1100
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 4>organ that's being played in there, so like whatever they're playing,

1101
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.079
<v Speaker 4>actually the church is making it a different sound, but

1102
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.639
<v Speaker 4>people don't even realize it. You know, does the metals

1103
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.920
<v Speaker 4>in there even help with that? But I do actually

1104
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:16.400
<v Speaker 4>think when it comes to certain metals, especially gold, there

1105
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.000
<v Speaker 4>is actually something scientific with it that I think helps

1106
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:19.559
<v Speaker 4>with like you.

1107
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:21.519
<v Speaker 3>Know, unseen science.

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00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 4>And I also do think when it comes to gold,

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00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 4>just as symbology, I think just looking at it, even

1110
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.639
<v Speaker 4>where it falls on the tree of life, I think

1111
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.480
<v Speaker 4>by the time you hit Tiffer right, you're pretty much

1112
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:36.960
<v Speaker 4>ready to blast off. So you know, it's also even

1113
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.000
<v Speaker 4>looked at like where the magician would have the experience

1114
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 4>of the Holy Guardian Angel but are come in contact

1115
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 4>with it. But I just feel like even in a

1116
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 4>cult symbology symbolism, gold is used a lot as well

1117
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.400
<v Speaker 4>just to express like maybe experience.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree with that. I agree with both Nick and

1119
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.480
<v Speaker 6>like because I think it is about it's it. I

1120
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:09.719
<v Speaker 6>think the layer is it's it's alchemically sacred. So I

1121
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.039
<v Speaker 6>think that and this is you can see, like it's

1122
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.559
<v Speaker 6>not that all metaphysicians or wizards or alchemists or whatever

1123
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:17.519
<v Speaker 6>you want to call them, they don't all agree. So

1124
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.639
<v Speaker 6>there's obviously everybody knows that there are the three states

1125
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:26.079
<v Speaker 6>in alchemy albedo, rubido, and nigrido, but there's actually a

1126
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:28.840
<v Speaker 6>fourth state, and there can also be a fifth state,

1127
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.280
<v Speaker 6>depends on how you count, and different alchemists will say

1128
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:36.719
<v Speaker 6>different things. So there's obviously the state of greening, which

1129
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.679
<v Speaker 6>is called chrysopia. So this is like a it's kind

1130
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:41.719
<v Speaker 6>of what like Nick was talking about, like if you're

1131
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:45.000
<v Speaker 6>talking about Cabala sometimes Tiffer, it is also described as

1132
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 6>having a green corona. But then you're if you're depending

1133
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.679
<v Speaker 6>on which way directly. I know this is getting really esoteric,

1134
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 6>but depending on which way you're facing when you're there,

1135
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.880
<v Speaker 6>you could see blue green or you could see kind

1136
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:03.960
<v Speaker 6>of sparkling gold. It's kind of interesting if you're thinking

1137
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:07.320
<v Speaker 6>about in a level of magical experience, how do you

1138
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 6>understand the sort of sign posts that are before you

1139
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:12.239
<v Speaker 6>and which way do you want to go?

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01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's that's cool, man. I I always just

1141
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:23.639
<v Speaker 2>thought there was some kind of alchemical thing with gold.

1142
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:27.880
<v Speaker 2>So there's something important that's there that we're not saying.

1143
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 3>That's another thing too, uh.

1144
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Not not to get off of that, but if you really,

1145
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.760
<v Speaker 4>if I really mean this, if people are like Google,

1146
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, all the old alchemists, you know, like you know,

1147
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.440
<v Speaker 4>the ogs, the people that I really had something to say,

1148
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.599
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you right now, probably ninety percent of them

1149
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 4>are going to tell you in their work this is

1150
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:53.280
<v Speaker 4>not actually metals. This is the spiritual alchemy. I'm not

1151
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:55.760
<v Speaker 4>trying to disc but I'm just the saying that I

1152
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.519
<v Speaker 4>do think when it comes to alchemy, it's really not

1153
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:01.079
<v Speaker 4>so much about.

1154
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.199
<v Speaker 3>Creating a gold out of like a couple of the metals.

1155
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 4>I think it's more of like again, even with the

1156
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 4>Cobaalistic tree of life, every one of those fears, if

1157
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 4>you look at it hermetically, they all have some sort

1158
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:15.119
<v Speaker 4>of mineral or you know, iron, this and that, aluminum,

1159
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.280
<v Speaker 4>you know whatever, they all have something associated with that.

1160
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:20.280
<v Speaker 4>If you start looking at like what those things do

1161
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 4>in science, you'll almost be like, I might almost make

1162
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 4>more sense for it to be like that. And certain

1163
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:29.159
<v Speaker 4>things are reflective, certain things absorb more heat, certain things

1164
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:30.519
<v Speaker 4>reflect more heat.

1165
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 3>So you know you saw one. You know, certain things

1166
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:34.719
<v Speaker 3>that believe it or not tell you the truth.

1167
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:38.320
<v Speaker 4>If you were to wear tinfoil hats for a long time,

1168
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.920
<v Speaker 4>that could actually start to become a bad thing for

1169
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 4>your fucking brain. People probably don't know that, and it's

1170
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.800
<v Speaker 4>a joke, but like there's somebody on my show actually

1171
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:49.599
<v Speaker 4>really looked into it, and they even sent me some

1172
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:51.760
<v Speaker 4>like shit, They're like, yo, it's actually not good for

1173
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:55.320
<v Speaker 4>you to wear tinfoil hats. I was like, yeah, that's interesting.

1174
01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:01.119
<v Speaker 4>People will proponent it. Probably know that too, but uh, again,

1175
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:04.239
<v Speaker 4>these original alchemists, a lot of them, were saying it

1176
01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:07.440
<v Speaker 4>has nothing to really do with that, and again just

1177
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.400
<v Speaker 4>trying to show like when it comes to science, in

1178
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:13.039
<v Speaker 4>my opinion, when you want to start looking at metals,

1179
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 4>it to me it almost makes no sense that they

1180
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.960
<v Speaker 4>might have. And I know the weird thing is is

1181
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:19.880
<v Speaker 4>to say, like, well, how did these people know this?

1182
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:24.360
<v Speaker 4>My opinion, we've had this tech or understanding for a

1183
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:28.599
<v Speaker 4>long time occultist at least did. I hate to say it,

1184
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.159
<v Speaker 4>but you know, people again, like I was saying, people,

1185
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:35.000
<v Speaker 4>it's certain people that I've covered, in my opinion, in

1186
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:37.440
<v Speaker 4>their books. When they were drawing the eye in the brain,

1187
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.079
<v Speaker 4>it's just as detailed as shit that you look at

1188
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.639
<v Speaker 4>today that's done with like you know, microscopes. How the

1189
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:47.960
<v Speaker 4>fuck were you doing that, but they were, you know,

1190
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:49.519
<v Speaker 4>and it's a little weird. I don't know if like

1191
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.880
<v Speaker 4>people like you don't maybe don't really notice it or

1192
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.679
<v Speaker 4>be like even think. You know, I probably looked at

1193
01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:57.000
<v Speaker 4>the shit for a while until I was like, wait,

1194
01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:58.760
<v Speaker 4>how did you do this in the sixteen hundred? You

1195
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:00.519
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. Most people wouldn't think of that, though,

1196
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.639
<v Speaker 4>But there's something there with that. These people actually, in

1197
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 4>my opinion, they understood a lot more than we than

1198
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 4>we think that we understood back then.

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01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Hm hmm. Yeah, well, I mean so they've always been

1200
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.480
<v Speaker 2>had they've always had an understanding I've been going back

1201
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:20.159
<v Speaker 2>to like these Olympians or whatever. They've had an understanding

1202
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.800
<v Speaker 2>that the average people don't. So they want to keep

1203
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 2>it hidden. So I would consider that dark occultism, as

1204
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:30.079
<v Speaker 2>in they're using it against us.

1205
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.639
<v Speaker 4>So well, yeah, that's I think, you know, keeping it

1206
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 4>hidden is a problem to be do with, you know

1207
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:36.039
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying.

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01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But do they do they think too? I mean

1209
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, of course, we don't know what they think.

1210
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.559
<v Speaker 2>But do people in the circles of magic think that

1211
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:47.239
<v Speaker 2>the regular people just couldn't handle it? Anyway? I mean

1212
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.960
<v Speaker 2>because it is a lot can we handle magic, I

1213
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:53.280
<v Speaker 2>guess is a question. You know, I'm going to do

1214
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:55.280
<v Speaker 2>a really quest or anything. I'm sorry.

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01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.679
<v Speaker 6>I just want to say this has been a discussion

1216
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:02.119
<v Speaker 6>on Twitter like the Furious for the last few weeks.

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01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:05.199
<v Speaker 2>I actually see that is people.

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01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:09.000
<v Speaker 6>So Peter Carroll, who obviously wrote Libernel in the Psychoanod

1219
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 6>and many other chaos.

1220
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Books he chas magic works, Excuse me.

1221
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 6>He he basically said that we're going to liberate magic

1222
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.280
<v Speaker 6>for the masses. We're going to give it to them

1223
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:21.239
<v Speaker 6>and we're going to not let them be slaves to

1224
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 6>the arcons.

1225
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm paraphrasing. That's not his exact words, but it's pretty close.

1226
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.639
<v Speaker 3>Like what's his definition of magic?

1227
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:38.480
<v Speaker 6>It so it's a lot about sigilization, applying your will

1228
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 6>that sigil and getting yourself there there. So I'd say, yeah,

1229
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 6>those are the three components of good chaos magic.

1230
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:50.400
<v Speaker 8>All right, Okay, But I just think it's I think

1231
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:53.559
<v Speaker 8>it's that's I think I know a lot of conspiracy

1232
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:56.920
<v Speaker 8>insury people will dislike this answer, but I actually think

1233
01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Speaker 8>that there has been a kind of large scale and

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01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 8>call an occulting, ad oculting of ocult tax, and I

1235
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:05.920
<v Speaker 8>like to think.

1236
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:09.639
<v Speaker 6>In a small, small way, like next much bigger than that,

1237
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:12.800
<v Speaker 6>and Lisa obviously as well, but I think in a

1238
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.280
<v Speaker 6>small way, I'd like to think that I contributed to

1239
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:16.039
<v Speaker 6>a little bit of that.

1240
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:18.960
<v Speaker 3>H No.

1241
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:24.519
<v Speaker 2>I so yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, yeah,

1242
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Well there's a lot of the there's a lot of

1243
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:29.559
<v Speaker 2>entry levels. I mean, I'd still consider myself there even

1244
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:31.679
<v Speaker 2>though I've been looking at this for a long time myself,

1245
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.960
<v Speaker 2>but like, there's so much, there's so much more to know.

1246
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just when does it stop?

1247
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:37.719
<v Speaker 7>You know?

1248
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:39.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like a while too.

1249
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:40.920
<v Speaker 4>If you saw looking at all the cultists and see

1250
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.159
<v Speaker 4>all the inventions they made, You're like, holy fuck, Like

1251
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.920
<v Speaker 4>all of our toys and everything we love today were

1252
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:51.000
<v Speaker 4>actually created by them originally. It's like even it's like, yo,

1253
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:55.199
<v Speaker 4>why does it even seem like any like valuable invention?

1254
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.079
<v Speaker 4>I hate to say it came from somebody who fucked

1255
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.440
<v Speaker 4>with dabbled with that stuff. I mean, think tech we

1256
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:04.679
<v Speaker 4>have today will comes from the computer, the processor. A

1257
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:06.679
<v Speaker 4>lot of that shit all comes from people are into

1258
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:08.800
<v Speaker 4>the occult and we fell in love with this shit.

1259
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:12.639
<v Speaker 5>I think I think the occult to take kind of

1260
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:18.079
<v Speaker 5>a one look at it. I think the occult and magic.

1261
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.000
<v Speaker 5>Putting it in the hands of the masses is no

1262
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:25.000
<v Speaker 5>difference then putting AI in the hands of the masses.

1263
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:28.079
<v Speaker 5>There are some that will utilize it as a tool

1264
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 5>and they'll become brilliant for using it, and then there

1265
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.039
<v Speaker 5>are some that will use it for a bad and

1266
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 5>either will make them dumber or it'll not help the

1267
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:47.920
<v Speaker 5>situation that we all are. I think I think to

1268
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:55.360
<v Speaker 5>an extent, you should have to go through a process,

1269
01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:01.719
<v Speaker 5>some sort of I'm going to go with Lake for instance,

1270
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:07.400
<v Speaker 5>losing weight in you could take a diet pill, you

1271
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.400
<v Speaker 5>could do ozembic, lose a bunch of weight. Fantastic, you

1272
01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:11.159
<v Speaker 5>lost the weight that.

1273
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 7>Was a goal.

1274
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.440
<v Speaker 5>But everybody knows that when you go through the process

1275
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.159
<v Speaker 5>of trying to lose weight, you're going to the gym,

1276
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 5>You're waking up to go to the gym. You're overcoming

1277
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:22.600
<v Speaker 5>not wanting to go to the gym, You're overcoming the

1278
01:08:22.600 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 5>frustration of not seeing anything and having to choose between

1279
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.880
<v Speaker 5>this food or that food, choosing that or this that.

1280
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:33.399
<v Speaker 5>After about a year of that, you are mentally changed.

1281
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.520
<v Speaker 5>It's no longer about losing weight. It's that you have

1282
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:43.520
<v Speaker 5>psychologically and mentally become stronger and the weight the weight

1283
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:47.640
<v Speaker 5>loss is a positive side effect. I think that's true

1284
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.319
<v Speaker 5>of knowledge too. You have to go through the processes

1285
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:58.760
<v Speaker 5>of struggle in order to somehow appreciate what that knowledge

1286
01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:02.720
<v Speaker 5>is on the other side after the challenge. I'm not

1287
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:05.760
<v Speaker 5>saying that knowledge should be kept from the masses. I'm

1288
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:09.960
<v Speaker 5>just saying it could be a process of maturation in

1289
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:11.720
<v Speaker 5>the attempt to gain it.

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01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:12.800
<v Speaker 7>That's it.

1291
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's like martial arts or anything you know,

1292
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.880
<v Speaker 2>go through and to get to the the real knowledge. Yeah,

1293
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:24.079
<v Speaker 2>if you really want to take it serious.

1294
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:29.600
<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah, I guess when it comes to magic, uh,

1295
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.960
<v Speaker 4>I guess. I mean, I guess it depends on how

1296
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:36.960
<v Speaker 4>fast you want this to happen. But uh yeah, I mean,

1297
01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:42.359
<v Speaker 4>like I guess.

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01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:43.920
<v Speaker 3>All right, yeah, now the definition of magic for me

1299
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:46.119
<v Speaker 3>will be uh, you.

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01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Know, I always have to take it to an extreme.

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01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.039
<v Speaker 4>I would say again, definition of magic are crossing the

1302
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:55.199
<v Speaker 4>abyss is working on yourself and having any experience with

1303
01:09:55.279 --> 01:10:00.520
<v Speaker 4>God that I do think involves a death to get

1304
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:02.680
<v Speaker 4>to that point. I mean, even in that, if you

1305
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:04.960
<v Speaker 4>want to really think about it, that is the ultimate sacrifice.

1306
01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:07.640
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna give up the flesh and blood. I'm gonna

1307
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:10.119
<v Speaker 4>give up possibly podcasting again. I'll give up you know,

1308
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:13.520
<v Speaker 4>people that i'm you know that I have relationships with,

1309
01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:15.840
<v Speaker 4>or I have love for, you know, things that I

1310
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:17.680
<v Speaker 4>have fallen in love with in this world. I'll have

1311
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:21.199
<v Speaker 4>to give all of that up, possibly not even maybe

1312
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:24.000
<v Speaker 4>things won't go right and I won't come back. So

1313
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:27.119
<v Speaker 4>you're giving up like some serious shit to have that

1314
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:31.079
<v Speaker 4>experience now, And if you know how I look at it,

1315
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:36.079
<v Speaker 4>if death is a part of that, and from my experience,

1316
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:40.680
<v Speaker 4>whenever I've crossed the abyss and I have come back

1317
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:45.319
<v Speaker 4>and opened up my eyes, there isn't like a faith anymore.

1318
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:49.000
<v Speaker 4>There's a knowing in certain things. It's really hard to explain.

1319
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 4>First you'll probably see visions that will actually like confirm

1320
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 4>it's hard to explain, like almost like flashing things that

1321
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.560
<v Speaker 4>are like you just somehow get something out of it,

1322
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.399
<v Speaker 4>and like even opening up it sounds a lot like

1323
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:02.399
<v Speaker 4>matrix with neo.

1324
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know, komfun nouns and I'm not that.

1325
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.399
<v Speaker 4>Drastic, but you know, every time I've ever had a

1326
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:09.079
<v Speaker 4>magical experience, I can tell you when I've opened up

1327
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.079
<v Speaker 4>my eyes. I've understood suff I didn't understand before. I

1328
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:14.800
<v Speaker 4>knew stuff that I didn't know before. Uh, you know,

1329
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:20.239
<v Speaker 4>I think you will also be shown truths that you

1330
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:23.399
<v Speaker 4>may not have been ready for, or when you see

1331
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.600
<v Speaker 4>certain things or you have these things that are not

1332
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.880
<v Speaker 4>faith anymore, and it's a knowing and it's completely opposite

1333
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:31.920
<v Speaker 4>of what your faith has been your whole life.

1334
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:34.479
<v Speaker 2>That can be really hard.

1335
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:39.479
<v Speaker 4>To swallow and could possibly even drive people mad. So well,

1336
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:41.199
<v Speaker 4>I guess what I'm getting at is that like if

1337
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:43.840
<v Speaker 4>this was a long drawn out process where maybe people

1338
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:46.600
<v Speaker 4>are actually told like, yeah, if you want to have

1339
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:48.960
<v Speaker 4>a magical experience, you're gonna have to probably die for

1340
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.680
<v Speaker 4>a few seconds. And if they were like okay, cool

1341
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:54.399
<v Speaker 4>with that, Uh, then you might have to actually tell them,

1342
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:56.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, Like to me, I think you would have

1343
01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:02.840
<v Speaker 4>to be extremely mentally prepare to just unleash magical experiences

1344
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:07.439
<v Speaker 4>onto everybody. And if they weren't, I do think I

1345
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:10.159
<v Speaker 4>mean it probably be interesting. I mean I don't know,

1346
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:12.399
<v Speaker 4>like maybe if I like lived somewhere where I didn't

1347
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.720
<v Speaker 4>have people living around me, it might be pretty interesting

1348
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.720
<v Speaker 4>to watch, because I do think you'll probably get mass

1349
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 4>suicides and mass murder and fucking all sorts of crazy

1350
01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:24.640
<v Speaker 4>shit because people are don't want to even admit what

1351
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:26.640
<v Speaker 4>the fuck happened, or they thought they lost their mind,

1352
01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:29.439
<v Speaker 4>or they think they're schizophrenic now to like the test

1353
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.319
<v Speaker 4>degree that like, you know some shit, And I do

1354
01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:36.600
<v Speaker 4>actually think you will probably see some sick, crazy shit

1355
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.239
<v Speaker 4>done because people are like what the fuck?

1356
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Or you'll got people who are like, wait, what the fuck?

1357
01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

1358
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:44.880
<v Speaker 3>I could do some fucking nasty shit now because I

1359
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.000
<v Speaker 3>understand certain things that I didn't understand before.

1360
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:49.239
<v Speaker 4>I do think it will be a shit show, will

1361
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:51.119
<v Speaker 4>be chaotic, and I think it was shitty at first,

1362
01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:54.119
<v Speaker 4>probably see things we never wanted to see, but I

1363
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:55.760
<v Speaker 4>think after that it's done and over with. I do

1364
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:59.640
<v Speaker 4>think the better of people would actually outnumber the others

1365
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:01.880
<v Speaker 4>and might be okay.

1366
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:03.600
<v Speaker 2>But that's just my opinion.

1367
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.680
<v Speaker 4>I think if we were able to flip a switch

1368
01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:08.319
<v Speaker 4>and then make everybody have a magical experience, this world

1369
01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:10.640
<v Speaker 4>would be fucking chaos for a little.

1370
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Bit, because I don't think we're ready to deal with it.

1371
01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:16.359
<v Speaker 4>But if it was something that was a prolonged thing,

1372
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:18.520
<v Speaker 4>kind of like what Lisa was saying, maybe it's like, yeah,

1373
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:19.479
<v Speaker 4>to work yourself.

1374
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Up to it.

1375
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 4>I think that could reap benefits, you know a lot better,

1376
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.199
<v Speaker 4>you know whatever, but it would take longer. But that's

1377
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:31.920
<v Speaker 4>just my I honestly think this is my opinion too.

1378
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.520
<v Speaker 4>A lot of serial killers were magicians. Neither they're mk

1379
01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:37.800
<v Speaker 4>altered and that's why they acted out because I don't

1380
01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 4>think a lot of them are also even told like

1381
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.039
<v Speaker 4>go kill. I think some of them just were like

1382
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:46.720
<v Speaker 4>acting out because I'm having a magical experience and just

1383
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:49.720
<v Speaker 4>didn't know how to sit in their skin comfortably because

1384
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:52.239
<v Speaker 4>they were just out of it for too long, or

1385
01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:53.600
<v Speaker 4>maybe they brought something back.

1386
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Or this is another thing too.

1387
01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.479
<v Speaker 4>When you start fucking with magic, you'll start actually opening

1388
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:00.319
<v Speaker 4>up all the parts of your brain. I do believe

1389
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:03.039
<v Speaker 4>demons are inside our head. So if you start turning

1390
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:04.479
<v Speaker 4>on all the parts of your brain that you haven't

1391
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:06.199
<v Speaker 4>turned on before, you're gonna wake up the good and

1392
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:08.119
<v Speaker 4>the bad with it. And now you're gonna have a

1393
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:10.199
<v Speaker 4>demon that you've never even confronted before because you just

1394
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.199
<v Speaker 4>woke the motherfuck up. So you better make sure that

1395
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:15.760
<v Speaker 4>you're real good in the head before you pull the trigger.

1396
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna have to deal with maybe some shit when

1397
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:19.720
<v Speaker 4>you open up your eyes, and I don't think most

1398
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:20.760
<v Speaker 4>people would be able to do that.

1399
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:25.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I have to just second what next set? It

1400
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.399
<v Speaker 6>is quite profound, really, and also I believe that about

1401
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.560
<v Speaker 6>serial killers because it does actually make sense. They would

1402
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:37.159
<v Speaker 6>translate horrific things that they saw in a magical experience

1403
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:39.720
<v Speaker 6>the quote unquote carnal ground, as we would call it.

1404
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:43.079
<v Speaker 6>They see that, And yes, you do see that, but

1405
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:45.279
<v Speaker 6>that's as an next set. It's also your own mind.

1406
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:48.479
<v Speaker 6>So how do you perceive that? How do you take that?

1407
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.000
<v Speaker 6>Do you take it in a sick o way? Or

1408
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:52.880
<v Speaker 6>do you kind of come back and be like, yeah,

1409
01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:55.760
<v Speaker 6>I'm actually human. The things I saw were crazy, but

1410
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, I'm going to reconcile them and myself and

1411
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.520
<v Speaker 6>my mind and sort of come back to like a

1412
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.439
<v Speaker 6>place of like wholeness and oneness or whatever you want

1413
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:08.520
<v Speaker 6>to call it. And I think that that's I think

1414
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:11.600
<v Speaker 6>that that's a quintessential core of magic really, and so

1415
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:14.960
<v Speaker 6>people can take it in whatever way. Like Lisa was saying, like,

1416
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.439
<v Speaker 6>did we go through a kind of threshold in twenty twenty,

1417
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.880
<v Speaker 6>I personally think so, And so I think this is

1418
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:25.640
<v Speaker 6>why we saw initially, why some people were attracted to

1419
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:30.279
<v Speaker 6>truth or attracted to Q or attracted to like these things,

1420
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:33.039
<v Speaker 6>because I think that those were illuminant events. Now how

1421
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:35.560
<v Speaker 6>much did people take of them? I think the whole

1422
01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:38.720
<v Speaker 6>point was not to get caught up in the narratives,

1423
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:41.600
<v Speaker 6>or rather to just take it as an illuminant event.

1424
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.039
<v Speaker 6>Like I wasn't even personally aware of Q like at all.

1425
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:48.520
<v Speaker 6>I had no idea existed. Oh you're lucky, so I

1426
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:50.920
<v Speaker 6>can just look back at it. And then there are

1427
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:54.800
<v Speaker 6>people who have looked at it in a more magical way,

1428
01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:57.439
<v Speaker 6>and they kind of are like, Okay, there are like

1429
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:02.720
<v Speaker 6>there are actually interesting metaphysics in it, whether without judgment,

1430
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:05.119
<v Speaker 6>you're just you know, just true neutral.

1431
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I so, I we'd probably should wrap this up

1432
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:17.640
<v Speaker 2>pretty soon here. But I I kind of liken it

1433
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.600
<v Speaker 2>to people that take psychedelics that aren't ready to you know,

1434
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:25.319
<v Speaker 2>when you when you take any hallucinogens and you're not

1435
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:29.359
<v Speaker 2>ready for that experience. I mean I've I've seen it

1436
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.920
<v Speaker 2>myself when I was younger, you know, like you know, teenagers,

1437
01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, like yeah, this guy, you know, my friend

1438
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.319
<v Speaker 2>took some MASSID and freaked the fuck out because they're

1439
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:38.560
<v Speaker 2>not ready for that experience. But I guess if you're

1440
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:42.000
<v Speaker 2>ready for it, and you're you're a psychonaut or something,

1441
01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:44.319
<v Speaker 2>then you're gonna be able to deep dive and come

1442
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:47.399
<v Speaker 2>out okay. But we're not all equipped for that, and

1443
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that I am totally either, you know.

1444
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:54.159
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, yeah, one thing I even I've said before

1445
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:59.560
<v Speaker 4>just from my experiences, uh like if you know, I've

1446
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:02.920
<v Speaker 4>had these magical experiences and it's just like just even

1447
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:04.439
<v Speaker 4>for me as a mind fucker, it was just like,

1448
01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:07.000
<v Speaker 4>if that exists, why the fuck am I stuck here?

1449
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>You know?

1450
01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:10.720
<v Speaker 4>So like even me dealing with that and even trying

1451
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.039
<v Speaker 4>to wrap up, like wrap my mind around that, I'm

1452
01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:16.680
<v Speaker 4>like just like, okay, so like where did I go wrong?

1453
01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Like what went wrong?

1454
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:22.239
<v Speaker 4>Like that was that was an experience that It's just like,

1455
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:25.359
<v Speaker 4>if that's real, what the fuck is this?

1456
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:27.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's hard to wrap.

1457
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:30.479
<v Speaker 4>Your mind around because it's it's almost like it is

1458
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.760
<v Speaker 4>almost like ultimate freedom and experiencing this pure love.

1459
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:38.560
<v Speaker 3>So you know, And this is another thing I even

1460
01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:39.159
<v Speaker 3>want to add to.

1461
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:43.279
<v Speaker 4>Why even you know, giving everybody a magical experience right

1462
01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.640
<v Speaker 4>away is really bad is because in my opinion, I

1463
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:47.520
<v Speaker 4>guess maybe I.

1464
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:49.319
<v Speaker 3>Can liken it to drugs in a certain sense.

1465
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:52.359
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm assuming, you know, I haven't done everything,

1466
01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:54.680
<v Speaker 4>but I'm assuming if you shoot heroin, really the only

1467
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:56.279
<v Speaker 4>thing that's gonna make you feel like you shot dope

1468
01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:59.319
<v Speaker 4>is shooting dope. Maybe another opioid to something. But you

1469
01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:01.560
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm getting out like that is only going

1470
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:07.239
<v Speaker 4>to be due to that one thing, magical experience. And

1471
01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:09.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm just being honest. And again I do think like

1472
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.800
<v Speaker 4>death is a part of it. When I have my

1473
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:17.960
<v Speaker 4>magical experiences besides seeing visuals that are also which only

1474
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:21.560
<v Speaker 4>happen and it's only it's repetitive. Every time I do it,

1475
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:25.279
<v Speaker 4>I see the same shit, and there are feelings in

1476
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.520
<v Speaker 4>my body that I will get and I will experience

1477
01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:33.039
<v Speaker 4>before I cross over, and those visuals and those experiences

1478
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:37.640
<v Speaker 4>physically that I feel the only time I ever have

1479
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:40.479
<v Speaker 4>that or ever feel that is due to that experience.

1480
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:43.479
<v Speaker 3>The only time I will feel that.

1481
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:47.119
<v Speaker 4>Physical experience and feel that, I guess coming out of

1482
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 4>the flesh is due to that. So I guess what

1483
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:51.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm getting at That's the only time you're going to

1484
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.439
<v Speaker 4>feel it. So if you really really really liked it,

1485
01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:58.159
<v Speaker 4>which I think people will it can almost be addictive,

1486
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:01.319
<v Speaker 4>and now you're starting to really fuck with something that's

1487
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:06.399
<v Speaker 4>very dangerous. And I do think people will You'll turn

1488
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:08.920
<v Speaker 4>into Kanye West or Joe Biden if you abuse it.

1489
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:10.600
<v Speaker 3>So I think you'll.

1490
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:12.399
<v Speaker 4>Get people that are very you know, oh my god,

1491
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:14.960
<v Speaker 4>that was amazing here to experience that again and will

1492
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:20.680
<v Speaker 4>fuck themselves up physically and mentally. Yeah, because I could

1493
01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:22.720
<v Speaker 4>even say, like, I did it a bunch of times

1494
01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:25.039
<v Speaker 4>in one week, because I just I like, I was

1495
01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:27.920
<v Speaker 4>just like, that was amazing. And that's the only you know,

1496
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.680
<v Speaker 4>I've said on the show. You know, I stopped because

1497
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:34.399
<v Speaker 4>I could see it becoming addictive and I don't think

1498
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:35.239
<v Speaker 4>that's good.

1499
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, guys us start to wrap this up. It's

1500
01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:44.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of hard to so we kind of went from

1501
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:53.199
<v Speaker 2>talking about the Olympians to Zoroastrianism and magic and the

1502
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:57.079
<v Speaker 2>responsibility with it. So I don't know exactly how you

1503
01:19:57.119 --> 01:19:59.319
<v Speaker 2>guys want to wrap this up. But what kind of

1504
01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.560
<v Speaker 2>words would you like to say to kind of finalize this?

1505
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Anyone so many I'll do, oh you know what, I'll

1506
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:11.359
<v Speaker 4>go real quick. I'm sure they'll say something like really profound.

1507
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:12.880
<v Speaker 4>They're a lot better than me, So I'll just throw

1508
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:15.199
<v Speaker 4>in something that I would like to try to say

1509
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:18.000
<v Speaker 4>a lot when I was going on shows recently, because

1510
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:19.319
<v Speaker 4>I was kind of covering the topic.

1511
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:21.760
<v Speaker 3>But I do want to say for your listeners.

1512
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:23.159
<v Speaker 4>Just in case they've never heard the show before and

1513
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:24.279
<v Speaker 4>haven't heard me say this.

1514
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:25.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just something I.

1515
01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:27.199
<v Speaker 4>Do want to throw out there, just for people to

1516
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.560
<v Speaker 4>look at things differently. When it comes to a cult symbolism,

1517
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.119
<v Speaker 4>I really do think that a lot of it, especially

1518
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:37.119
<v Speaker 4>in sigils and especially Italian Renaissance art and Catholic art,

1519
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:39.680
<v Speaker 4>a lot of that is depicting the inside of the

1520
01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:40.920
<v Speaker 4>eyeball and part of the brain.

1521
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:41.720
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1522
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.119
<v Speaker 4>That may sound crazy, but start studying the eyeball and

1523
01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:45.560
<v Speaker 4>what it looks like and this and that, and I

1524
01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:49.199
<v Speaker 4>guarantee you'll start seeing religious shit in there. And again,

1525
01:20:49.239 --> 01:20:51.880
<v Speaker 4>like I was talking about before, you know, and I'm

1526
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:53.920
<v Speaker 4>considering that, believe it or not, I do consider that

1527
01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:56.279
<v Speaker 4>giving away secrets that aren't supposed to actually be known.

1528
01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:57.760
<v Speaker 4>And another one that I'm going to say right now,

1529
01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:00.279
<v Speaker 4>which I've said on the show, I do believe that

1530
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:02.079
<v Speaker 4>some of the secrets of secrets of the mysteries and

1531
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:05.279
<v Speaker 4>a lot of symbolism and parts of stories. It's in there,

1532
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:08.960
<v Speaker 4>and people will never understand the story completely unless they

1533
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:13.159
<v Speaker 4>have the experience of dying. So I just want to

1534
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:15.800
<v Speaker 4>let people know that I do think that is actually

1535
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:18.359
<v Speaker 4>just like that movie Flatliners. People want to go check

1536
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:20.520
<v Speaker 4>it out. It's people putting themselves out on purpose so

1537
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:24.239
<v Speaker 4>they have this experience and when they come back, yeah,

1538
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:26.199
<v Speaker 4>the same shit coming out of my mouth, they'll know stuff.

1539
01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:28.640
<v Speaker 3>They'll be different. You're not the same anymore.

1540
01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1541
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:31.439
<v Speaker 3>I do think that is.

1542
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:36.000
<v Speaker 4>An actual Like again, expressing the feelings that you had

1543
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:38.800
<v Speaker 4>in the visuals that you've had in sigils and art

1544
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.439
<v Speaker 4>is huge, and I don't you know, that is a

1545
01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:44.720
<v Speaker 4>thing that I don't think people will fully grasp unless

1546
01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.560
<v Speaker 4>they've had that experience, or they start entertaining that just

1547
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:52.520
<v Speaker 4>like Jesus tells you you gotta fucking die, you start

1548
01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:55.560
<v Speaker 4>entertaining that this death and rebirth that everybody talks about,

1549
01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:57.399
<v Speaker 4>the death may have to be literal.

1550
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's scary, but it might actually be true. All right, I'm.

1551
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:09.359
<v Speaker 6>Done, awesome, mic Drop, How can we follow that up here?

1552
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1553
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.079
<v Speaker 7>Exactly, yeah, go go.

1554
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:16.840
<v Speaker 6>I actually don't have anything more profound than that for sure,

1555
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.840
<v Speaker 6>but I think the I think Nick was on fire tonight.

1556
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:22.960
<v Speaker 6>I think everything he said was one hundred percent true.

1557
01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:24.720
<v Speaker 6>I think as close to the truth as you can

1558
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:30.000
<v Speaker 6>really say. It's really fundamentally about these experiences, these kind

1559
01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:35.560
<v Speaker 6>of thurgic surgical climbings of the tree, I guess, And

1560
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:38.279
<v Speaker 6>so I think that that's fundamentally like the nature of

1561
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.119
<v Speaker 6>our realities, which is also contained in our minds. So

1562
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.039
<v Speaker 6>be careful about what you put in your minds. And

1563
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:46.479
<v Speaker 6>number one, and be careful what you believe. And it

1564
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:48.640
<v Speaker 6>doesn't mean that you have to. It's not about paranoia

1565
01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:50.720
<v Speaker 6>or fear, like to bring up something Lisa said, It's

1566
01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:54.640
<v Speaker 6>about sort of overcoming that and realizing that actually there

1567
01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:57.880
<v Speaker 6>are deeper understandings. It's not about good or evil, it's not.

1568
01:22:57.920 --> 01:22:59.760
<v Speaker 6>It's just about what you take of it and what

1569
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:02.840
<v Speaker 6>you do with it, and you have agency over yourself,

1570
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.680
<v Speaker 6>like Nick was saying, like people in the ocall community,

1571
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:09.760
<v Speaker 6>I think he's seizing me because I've lately been setting him. Oh,

1572
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:12.399
<v Speaker 6>a mercury is in combustion and all this stuff that

1573
01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:15.640
<v Speaker 6>I never used to. For two years, I never would

1574
01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:17.760
<v Speaker 6>say anything about astrology, and then I started to a

1575
01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:20.640
<v Speaker 6>few weeks ago. So that's okay, Nick. I accept that

1576
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.560
<v Speaker 6>because I always say, like astrology is just a it's

1577
01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:25.920
<v Speaker 6>just a sign post or a guide post. It's not

1578
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:28.760
<v Speaker 6>it doesn't really matter if it's real or not real.

1579
01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:31.119
<v Speaker 6>It's like how you take it. Do you want to

1580
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:35.000
<v Speaker 6>be Like the planets can be considered arcons, so you know,

1581
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:37.239
<v Speaker 6>like do you want to be ruled by the archons

1582
01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:38.720
<v Speaker 6>or do you want to be ruled by yourself?

1583
01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:41.920
<v Speaker 2>See again, that's basically what I think even when.

1584
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:44.359
<v Speaker 3>It comes to astrology. And sorry it's robens, we're closing down.

1585
01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:46.119
<v Speaker 3>But like again, if you look at the symbols and

1586
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:47.600
<v Speaker 3>you think of the stories that you get from the.

1587
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:50.279
<v Speaker 4>Zodiac, I do think that all applies to ether. You

1588
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:54.560
<v Speaker 4>know what's going on in a person when they have

1589
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.199
<v Speaker 4>a magical experience. It's almost like you're breaking devices. And

1590
01:23:57.279 --> 01:23:58.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to get into it too much, but

1591
01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:01.680
<v Speaker 4>again I do think those stories in that sense, it

1592
01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.359
<v Speaker 4>is telling you that. But again, like I agree with

1593
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:05.880
<v Speaker 4>you too what you were saying.

1594
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:08.520
<v Speaker 6>You have to know the stories. I think that's really

1595
01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:12.039
<v Speaker 6>important too. Is like Nick was even referencing, so you

1596
01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:14.960
<v Speaker 6>wouldn't know it exactly. It's like the both of those

1597
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:18.840
<v Speaker 6>things together. It's it's understanding, wisdom and understanding. That's exactly

1598
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:20.079
<v Speaker 6>what it is. If you want to look at think

1599
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:23.399
<v Speaker 6>of in a cabalistic way, it's wisdom and understanding together.

1600
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:26.760
<v Speaker 6>So exactly what Nick said, Yeah, one hundred percent agree.

1601
01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:28.760
<v Speaker 6>It's the You have to know the text and you

1602
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:30.399
<v Speaker 6>have to have the experience, and when you put those

1603
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.600
<v Speaker 6>things together, then you get your knowledge.

1604
01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:39.800
<v Speaker 9>Awesome, Okay, and now that leaves me and both of

1605
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.840
<v Speaker 9>those were hard to follow, but I will say this,

1606
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:46.159
<v Speaker 9>I know that, and I apologize to the listeners and

1607
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:48.640
<v Speaker 9>to you that you know, it did seem like we're.

1608
01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:49.279
<v Speaker 7>All over the place.

1609
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:51.479
<v Speaker 5>We started with three hundred, I mean with Olympians and

1610
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:55.039
<v Speaker 5>three hundred and then kind of ended on this, you know,

1611
01:24:55.319 --> 01:25:00.399
<v Speaker 5>magical experience in physiology. However, and in part part of

1612
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:06.000
<v Speaker 5>the episodes that we cover are like that. And if

1613
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:09.720
<v Speaker 5>we suspend our belief in terms of having things organized,

1614
01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:12.920
<v Speaker 5>what we I believe are doing, especially we did on

1615
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:17.239
<v Speaker 5>this episode is we're placing pieces of the puzzle in

1616
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:22.359
<v Speaker 5>the right side to be later moved over and locks together.

1617
01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:25.800
<v Speaker 5>Right now, they look like puzzle pieces just scattered on

1618
01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:26.520
<v Speaker 5>the table.

1619
01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:28.159
<v Speaker 7>That's what they look like. Right now.

1620
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:30.880
<v Speaker 5>But if you continue to listen, and you continue to learn,

1621
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.880
<v Speaker 5>and you continue to seek, you'll finally start to put

1622
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:38.319
<v Speaker 5>pieces together. And that's really what I think the truth

1623
01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:44.359
<v Speaker 5>or community, the conspiracy community is trying to ultimately hopefully accomplish.

1624
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:48.359
<v Speaker 5>And that's what I think this episode really highlighted on,

1625
01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:52.039
<v Speaker 5>is that we brought in a couple pieces of knowledge

1626
01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:57.079
<v Speaker 5>and hopefully someone somewhere will be like, oh, that puzzle

1627
01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:58.359
<v Speaker 5>piece fits here.

1628
01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:01.800
<v Speaker 7>So that's what I'd like to land on and thank

1629
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:03.279
<v Speaker 7>you for having us.

1630
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, thanks for coming in guys. That's this is

1631
01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:08.640
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I wanted to do. I wanted to start

1632
01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>out with that, but I knew it wouldn't stay there.

1633
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to start out with the Olympians, but I

1634
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.279
<v Speaker 2>knew it wouldn't stay there. I like, how can we

1635
01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:19.119
<v Speaker 2>stay there when we start talking about magic and going there?

1636
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:21.640
<v Speaker 2>So this is exactly where I wanted to go, except

1637
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:23.039
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know where it was going to go. So

1638
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:26.319
<v Speaker 2>thank you guys for coming on. You joined an awesome show.

1639
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Awesome great work you guys. You occult rejects. Is how

1640
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:34.399
<v Speaker 2>many of you are are there? I've kind of that's

1641
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:35.279
<v Speaker 2>something I don't.

1642
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:39.359
<v Speaker 4>Know right now, and it's staying this way in case

1643
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:41.640
<v Speaker 4>anybody happens to hear this no more, We're not taking

1644
01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:44.920
<v Speaker 4>any more applications. We've gone through our growing pains, and

1645
01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:46.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm quite happy where we are right now.

1646
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:48.479
<v Speaker 3>There is a total of twelve of us.

1647
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.399
<v Speaker 4>Wow, yeah, so, and I kind of wanted to keep

1648
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:55.079
<v Speaker 4>it that way from it just sounds good, and it

1649
01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:57.680
<v Speaker 4>is nine men and three women, so you know, we

1650
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:04.600
<v Speaker 4>got to keep the ninety three going. So so but yeah, yeah, yeah,

1651
01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:07.279
<v Speaker 4>there was a bunch of us. Not everybody is you know.

1652
01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:10.800
<v Speaker 4>Uh again, everybody has their own forte. Everybody's a little

1653
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:12.760
<v Speaker 4>bit different, and everybody comes on with the same shows.

1654
01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.119
<v Speaker 4>But I even wanted to like that, you know. But uh,

1655
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.119
<v Speaker 4>I think everybody that I have on the show is

1656
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:19.960
<v Speaker 4>the best at what they're doing. And I'm very lucky

1657
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:23.800
<v Speaker 4>to uh right now as it stands, I'm very lucky,

1658
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.760
<v Speaker 4>i'd say, to be working with the people I'm working

1659
01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:30.600
<v Speaker 4>with now. You know, I have zero anxiety of a

1660
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.079
<v Speaker 4>podcasting and I have a really good time and I

1661
01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:34.840
<v Speaker 4>learn a lot with the people I'm using now, So

1662
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:38.600
<v Speaker 4>that's a blessing, you know, And and I do believe

1663
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:42.520
<v Speaker 4>that that is some of the benefits of magic. You know, uh,

1664
01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:44.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, that's like just one thing. I know we

1665
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:46.279
<v Speaker 4>already like wrapped it up, but like one thing I

1666
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:47.640
<v Speaker 4>do want. I just want to leave with people. You know,

1667
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:50.760
<v Speaker 4>with magic, especially magic with the k it could be

1668
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.880
<v Speaker 4>the most beautiful experience that somebody can have with themselves

1669
01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:57.319
<v Speaker 4>in God that will change them so much that I mean,

1670
01:27:57.359 --> 01:27:59.840
<v Speaker 4>this is I do think is when you really have

1671
01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:02.920
<v Speaker 4>to not worrying about the judgment of character. You know,

1672
01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:04.960
<v Speaker 4>after you have that experience, you can either be a

1673
01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:09.880
<v Speaker 4>very manipulative person or you can share your story and

1674
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:13.640
<v Speaker 4>help you know, I'm no different, no special, I am

1675
01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:16.159
<v Speaker 4>not special. If I can have a magical experience, anybody

1676
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:20.039
<v Speaker 4>can magic. If you have a magical experience, it's going

1677
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:22.000
<v Speaker 4>to be the most beautiful thing you've ever had. In

1678
01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.239
<v Speaker 4>my opinion, after you've had that, you need to share

1679
01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:25.680
<v Speaker 4>that with everybody else and let them know how they

1680
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:28.960
<v Speaker 4>can have their own. And I do think magic in

1681
01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:32.039
<v Speaker 4>that sense would change the world for better. And it's

1682
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:35.279
<v Speaker 4>not bad. Magic is not always bad. I think all

1683
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:36.920
<v Speaker 4>three of us here and the rest of the show

1684
01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:40.319
<v Speaker 4>would say magic is having a spiritual experience with God

1685
01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:44.640
<v Speaker 4>and having some understanding, you know, and and being blessed

1686
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:47.439
<v Speaker 4>with that experience. You know, that can change the world.

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01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:49.560
<v Speaker 4>It's not all bad, but that's what I'm getting at.

1688
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:51.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, magic is not all bad. So you know,

1689
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:53.840
<v Speaker 4>don't don't worry if you're gonna put on the Aicle

1690
01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:58.439
<v Speaker 4>Rejects or not. You know, Satanists, you know, we're not

1691
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:02.000
<v Speaker 4>promoting bad stuff. There is actually benefits, I think to

1692
01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:03.159
<v Speaker 4>having a magical experience.

1693
01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:07.439
<v Speaker 2>Everybody should have a magical experience because when I got

1694
01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>graduated high school years ago and I saw what people

1695
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>were doing every day, I was like, there's got to

1696
01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:14.359
<v Speaker 2>be more to the world than just going to work

1697
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:16.520
<v Speaker 2>every fucking day. You know, this is not it. This

1698
01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:19.039
<v Speaker 2>can't be it, and it's not so we but you

1699
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:24.279
<v Speaker 2>have to experience magic too, and synchronicity and well psychedelics

1700
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.079
<v Speaker 2>helped me, but you know, all that just to really

1701
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>see what this world's really made out of, not just

1702
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:34.119
<v Speaker 2>what's been put for us to do. So thank you

1703
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:37.319
<v Speaker 2>guys for coming on, and we'll do it again sometime

1704
01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:41.119
<v Speaker 2>and check out the Occult Rejects. Everyone that they got

1705
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>a ton of shows, probably all podcast players. You guys

1706
01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:47.800
<v Speaker 2>have a website. I didn't plug that we do.

1707
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:52.000
<v Speaker 5>We have one this called Occult Research Institute dot org

1708
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:56.399
<v Speaker 5>where some of the regions contributed into like a literary

1709
01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:59.640
<v Speaker 5>format of content. So if you'd like to consume your

1710
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:02.279
<v Speaker 5>content like that checks out a culte research into too.

1711
01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:02.720
<v Speaker 7>John Wick.

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01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:06.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, Jen Lisa Nick, thanks for coming on

1713
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the show and we'll be in touch and thanks for everything.

1714
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, mess appreciate it.

1715
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:21.359
<v Speaker 1>All right, close your eyes, look into the darkness, find

1716
01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the blazing start focus on it will be called the eclipse.

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01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Don't feel looky, sure we do gues you sh