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Speaker 2: three hundred and one. And if you are a regular
Speaker 2: listener to this show, you know that our world is
Speaker 2: run and owned by the Darker cult. I although I
Speaker 2: touched on various bits a lot, I don't consider myself
Speaker 2: an expert. I consider myself kind of like a student
Speaker 2: in learning. And when I started looking at these these
Speaker 2: occult groups, I had of very narrow, naive idea of
Speaker 2: how it all works, almost like a cartoon version. You
Speaker 2: could say, it's easy to throw everything in a basket
Speaker 2: and write everything off. But there's a lot to look
Speaker 2: at with the occult and nature of this information and
Speaker 2: how it really works. And I look at it as
Speaker 2: as they have a dark magic spell on humanity. They've
Speaker 2: got us all chasing federal reserve notes here in America
Speaker 2: or an equivalent in your country. You have magical sigils
Speaker 2: on your money and humanity isn't a trance and they
Speaker 2: have no idea. So today I got the occult rejects
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having us on.
Speaker 2: Oh oh what did I do? Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah here we are all right. Well, yeah, great to
Speaker 2: have you guys. So uh, I kind of wanted to
Speaker 2: get into some like top level pyramid top of the
Speaker 2: pyramid stuff here. I mean, so, I mean the question
Speaker 2: is what dark occult group is at the top of
Speaker 2: the pyramid. I mean, who really runs this ship hole?
Speaker 2: I mean, my second book ever, Down the rabbit Hole
Speaker 2: was Committee of three hundred by doctor John Coleman, just
Speaker 2: in front of Behold a Pale Horse. This is way back.
Speaker 2: And although I think more of the people he's pointing
Speaker 2: at are like bankers and geopolitical players and like you know,
Speaker 2: like royalty and roundtables, but I want to read this
Speaker 2: real quick quote here and from him here, and he says,
Speaker 2: what are the goals of the secret elite group the
Speaker 2: Inheritors of Illuminism, Mariah conquering Wind, the Cult of Dionysius,
Speaker 2: the cult of Isisism, Bogo Millism, the elite group that
Speaker 2: calls itself the Olympians. And then he lists the goals
Speaker 2: and you know what, we don't need to get into
Speaker 2: that because but we can. But that kind of steers
Speaker 2: the show in a different direction. But I thought we
Speaker 2: could start there because a lot was said there, just
Speaker 2: just in that little paragraph. What do you what do
Speaker 2: you guys? Who do you guys think is running this
Speaker 2: this this hell whole system? What kind of dark magic
Speaker 2: are we dealing with here?
Speaker 3: I don't know if somebody else wants to go first.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can actually give you an
Speaker 4: exact person, specific group to blame, but it could be
Speaker 4: able to say certain magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I don't know. If somebody wants to
Speaker 3: go before.
Speaker 5: I go, I'll throw in a little bit, you know,
Speaker 5: in the hat. I think that you don't know their
Speaker 5: names on purpose, you don't know their location on purpose,
Speaker 5: to know who they are means that they have lost
Speaker 5: the game because another faction has taken over and casted
Speaker 5: them below the top. When we discuss people that Rockefellers, Rothschild,
Speaker 5: whomever they're they're at the top, but there I don't think,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, that they still hold the power that
Speaker 5: they did when they did. And I do believe that
Speaker 5: you don't know the names of the people that are
Speaker 5: at the top because they're vne amongst each other and
Speaker 5: they like living in the shadows. They like living in anonymity.
Speaker 5: There's more power that way. So I will throw that
Speaker 5: two sins in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 6: I totally agree with Lisa. I think that was a
Speaker 6: great articulation of it. I sort of am going through
Speaker 6: I guess would say ideological changes. Maybe not ideological, but
Speaker 6: I'm just looking at parapolytics very differently, very differently than
Speaker 6: I would have two years ago. So for me, I
Speaker 6: kind of am looking at, Yes, magic is real, and
Speaker 6: so what do we do with that information? And what
Speaker 6: do we do with the wisdom sciences and the texts
Speaker 6: and the knowledge, and like people like Nick who are
Speaker 6: parts of fraternal organizations, like what do we make of
Speaker 6: all that in the midst of if we assume that
Speaker 6: there's kind of a metapolitical elite factions, which I think
Speaker 6: is true. And so I think that magic is not
Speaker 6: good per se, but I think it's a tool that
Speaker 6: which we can utilize, you know.
Speaker 1: To.
Speaker 2: Do whatever we want.
Speaker 6: Really, I mean, but we we can have greater goals
Speaker 6: and lesser goals, and so I think it's better that
Speaker 6: we acknowledge that it's real and that we can use
Speaker 6: it if we want, if we so will. And yeah,
Speaker 6: that's us where I'm at with it. I don't know
Speaker 6: how Nick's gonna follow me up, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually something that I think is good to
Speaker 4: Maybe I wasn't even thinking of it this way before.
Speaker 4: I guess I get into like, I guess my idea.
Speaker 4: I think one thing to press, you know, I think
Speaker 4: on how person is using magic, is it bad or good? Occultism?
Speaker 4: Maybe keeping things hidden on purpose I don't agree with.
Speaker 4: But uh, you know again when it comes to magic,
Speaker 4: and I guess, you know, I'm using the word of cults,
Speaker 4: which does mean hidden. So I guess like I was saying,
Speaker 4: like maybe things shouldn't be hidden. But as people use
Speaker 4: the word a cult or magic, I think people might
Speaker 4: be a little confused and think it's always negative. So
Speaker 4: you know, before I go any father, like, just because
Speaker 4: I'm saying that this stuff is bad and it's being
Speaker 4: used against us, doesn't mean that it always has to be.
Speaker 4: I think if the person practices magic on themselves, they.
Speaker 2: Will have an enlightenment and they.
Speaker 4: Will actually grow as a person positively. But when you
Speaker 4: use it against others, I think it just corrupts you.
Speaker 4: So just saying that, uh, I can't say, and I'm
Speaker 4: not necessarily blaming it on the Nazis, But what I
Speaker 4: would say right now, I think the type of that
Speaker 4: is really fucking people over is Nazi style magic, which
Speaker 4: when I say Nazi style it doesn't necessarily mean sacrificing
Speaker 4: people or you know, doing horrible shit, you know, to
Speaker 4: actual people physically. You know, it doesn't even mean there's rituals.
Speaker 4: When I say Nazi style of magic is handing you
Speaker 4: video and audio that is not correct or you're not
Speaker 4: looking at it the way it's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: They will present you visuals to.
Speaker 4: Get you going and to fuck up your head, to
Speaker 4: make you think certain ways, to make you react certain ways,
Speaker 4: you know, and like some examples they'll give you like
Speaker 4: the Ukraine War at first, when a lot of that
Speaker 4: stuff was going off, we had a's off battalion that
Speaker 4: was for some reason giving the United States news companies
Speaker 4: what's going on over there? Well, the azof battalion's fucking
Speaker 4: Nazi battalion. Why are they handing the United States footage
Speaker 4: to watch? Because they probably made it up and they
Speaker 4: want people to believe whatever the fuck they're telling us
Speaker 4: is going on over there, you know, And even the
Speaker 4: thing with NASA, I would say, like almost the same thing.
Speaker 4: They're telling us shit about out of space, but I
Speaker 4: don't believe they're actually telling us unciphered you know. It's
Speaker 4: it's you actually have to understand what the fuck they're
Speaker 4: saying to make sense out of it. I know everybody
Speaker 4: wants to say that, you know, NASA is a propaganda
Speaker 4: to an extent, it is, but it's because we don't
Speaker 4: understand the way their context is. I think if we
Speaker 4: understood what they were saying, we'd know a hell of
Speaker 4: a lot more. But it be in a cult aspect,
Speaker 4: and that's so much space as we look at it.
Speaker 4: That's even another thing. I don't know if a lot
Speaker 4: of people know this. The whole idea we have of
Speaker 4: what's out there has always been constructed and handed to
Speaker 4: us from alchemists or ocultist anyway, so we shouldn't even
Speaker 4: really go by what we think they're saying. But and again,
Speaker 4: even with that, you know, somebody's telling us what's out there,
Speaker 4: but we don't fucking know, just like how when we're
Speaker 4: being handed something on the TV and it's like like
Speaker 4: like another way to I guess explain it. And not
Speaker 4: that I'm picking any side, but I remember one time
Speaker 4: a while ago during the election, when the Proud Boys
Speaker 4: and Antifa were fighting. Depending on which news channel you
Speaker 4: saw it, they showed you a different clip to make it.
Speaker 4: If you were on CNN, they made it look like
Speaker 4: the Proud Boys through the first punch, and if you're
Speaker 4: on Fox, it made it look like Antifa through the
Speaker 4: first punch. So you don't know who the fuck actually
Speaker 4: started what, you know what I'm saying, what really happened.
Speaker 4: They're just showing you what they want you to believe,
Speaker 4: so it gives you a certain, you know, feeling. I
Speaker 4: think that is exactly really what's uh going on right now,
Speaker 4: I think, and it's through politics, sexuality, a few other
Speaker 4: things but uh, even with a lot of the conspiracies
Speaker 4: that are going on right now, in my opinion, at
Speaker 4: all it is is to create hate, you know. And
Speaker 4: that's that's all, you know. Again, I'm not sticking up
Speaker 4: for the Jews, but yo, not but nothing. You got
Speaker 4: a lot of racist motherfuckers out there over that shit
Speaker 4: that like, honestly, you should get your fucking head checked.
Speaker 3: If you're that fucking feeling that fucking way, man.
Speaker 4: There's something wrong with you, you know. And in just
Speaker 4: other certain races or you know, sexualities. It's like, yo,
Speaker 4: if you have that much fucking anger in you, like,
Speaker 4: and you think you're godly, No, you gotta look in
Speaker 4: the mirror, man, that's fucking satan, you know. It's just
Speaker 4: it's just weird times, you know. And uh, And I
Speaker 4: think like again, like Nazi style of magic is giving
Speaker 4: you visuals and images and sounds to get you fucking
Speaker 4: stirring and thinking you certain way to change the way
Speaker 4: you act and the way you think.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I I would even say, like QAnon could be a
Speaker 4: real good basic explanation of that. They gave you comms.
Speaker 4: They really didn't even give you images. They gave you
Speaker 4: words and people believe that shit to where they actually
Speaker 4: live in a complete separate.
Speaker 3: Reality of what the fuck ever we're living.
Speaker 4: In because that shit's not real or it's the way
Speaker 4: they're looking at it.
Speaker 3: That's some serious magic.
Speaker 4: You have actually convinced people that they're living in a
Speaker 4: world that doesn't exist just due to fucking words on
Speaker 4: a screen. And it's certain certain words that sound you know,
Speaker 4: sit rep. Let's throw any calms. We'll throw in a
Speaker 4: couple of things to make people feel like when they're
Speaker 4: reading that they're educated in terms.
Speaker 2: Oh I know something now.
Speaker 4: I mean, you got people basically bust the nuts over
Speaker 4: saying the word treason on Twitter. Now, it's like you
Speaker 4: weren't even using that word fucking five years ago, and
Speaker 4: now because you think you know something about politics and
Speaker 4: you're a Trump TRD, every time you yell treason, it's
Speaker 4: just like fucking silly shit. I was watching that shit today.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, you b the fuck is it dumb?
Speaker 4: Obama's not gonna get arrested. He has presidential immunity. And
Speaker 4: I actually tell you the truth, because of what Trump
Speaker 4: did in court and beat that case, it's actually given
Speaker 4: presidents coming forward and presidents behind this more of excuse
Speaker 4: to do the dumb shit they did. So honestly, Trump
Speaker 4: opened up the door for every fucking president to fuck
Speaker 4: us over and the ones in the past get away
Speaker 4: with it now. Like, I don't think people realize what
Speaker 4: the fuck's going on. They're so stupid because they're being
Speaker 4: controlled by images, memes, you know, fake fucking photos. That's
Speaker 4: how I think is that I can't tell you the
Speaker 4: exactly the person behind it, but the style of magic.
Speaker 4: I think that's what's ruling the world right now, you know,
Speaker 4: in social media. Social media is a huge way that
Speaker 4: I think it had to be a vehicle to do
Speaker 4: it because now I can show you know, when we
Speaker 4: grew up, when we were kids, what was our influence
Speaker 4: the people around us?
Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit of the TV. Now I got
Speaker 3: some motherfucker in.
Speaker 4: Zimbabwe making me think I should act a certain fucking
Speaker 4: way when I never would have known my motherfucker existed
Speaker 4: twenty years ago. It isn't even real. I could be
Speaker 4: watching an AI video and thinking I have to be
Speaker 4: like that person so I can have friends. What the
Speaker 4: fuck is going on? That's magic?
Speaker 2: The screen magic. It's a bunch of screens telling everybody
Speaker 2: what to think, how to act, and embedding ideas and ideologies.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, I guess when you mentioned the Nazis,
Speaker 2: I guess I think of the real society. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm no expert on really that too much. But that
Speaker 2: is that is pretty good because that is the magic
Speaker 2: that we're seeing in our lives. The uh, well, the
Speaker 2: mind control magics. What it is, isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, even another reason why I did even kind of
Speaker 4: throw the Nazi in there is like, again I can't
Speaker 4: give you certain names, but in my opinion, we are
Speaker 4: seeing you know, nineteen forties kind of replaying out again,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Or we're seeing kind of
Speaker 4: like the same tricks that they did back then.
Speaker 3: I think here it's just you know, being labeled a
Speaker 3: little bit different. You know, it's just weird.
Speaker 4: You know, we're we're having we have we have a
Speaker 4: different reason to do it, but we're throwing people into
Speaker 4: fucking buildings now, and it's like, how do we know
Speaker 4: what's going on in there?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: Oh, you hop the border, which I don't agree with,
Speaker 4: but now we're gonna start stuffing in them into prisons
Speaker 4: and like again they should they should be just sent
Speaker 4: the fuck home, honestly, because now we're wasting tons and
Speaker 4: tons of money on them.
Speaker 3: That was another thing that blows my mind.
Speaker 4: When I was in the FEDS, do there was people
Speaker 4: there for fucking years waiting to get deported. Why are
Speaker 4: we giving the you know how much money it costs
Speaker 4: to house somebody in the fucking Feds for a year?
Speaker 4: Send them the fuck home? No, this there's a fucking
Speaker 4: reason this is going on. But you know again, it's
Speaker 4: just like, yo, why are we all of a sudden
Speaker 4: toss some brown people in the fucking buildings?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: It's just you know, and it's just the thing for
Speaker 4: me as Anna cult this, it's like, all right, well
Speaker 4: they're in the middle of the road to melotonin, So like,
Speaker 4: to me, that might be interesting. What the fuck is
Speaker 4: up with their panel Glee? Because it's different than a
Speaker 4: white person, they're different than a black person.
Speaker 3: We can't hear you anyway, Lisa immuted.
Speaker 7: It's good because I was laughing.
Speaker 2: Okay, me and a friend we're doing a show. Well
Speaker 2: we're still continuing on how we all. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: there is interesting things about this is a little side trip,
Speaker 2: but like how everybody got, you know, the different races
Speaker 2: on Earth occurred, like I mean, the DNA is it,
Speaker 2: you know, like the facial features and the you know,
Speaker 2: just the pigments. I mean, did it really happen the
Speaker 2: way they said it did? But that's a side trip.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot more to look at it there.
Speaker 2: I think that we're not that no one wants to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I've even said before this is gonna
Speaker 4: sound crazy. We don't have to even go into it.
Speaker 4: But I think the whole race war is just to
Speaker 4: mimic the pupil and the scallere of your roible mm hmm,
Speaker 4: because I do think that that has to change in
Speaker 4: order to have a magical experience. Yeah, I know that
Speaker 4: sounds fucking out there and way off, but I do
Speaker 4: I do wonder about that at times.
Speaker 2: Interesting well, they certainly keep it, hold on to that
Speaker 2: in any division they can divide people here in this
Speaker 2: in this alternative media truth movement, whatever the fuck you
Speaker 2: want to call it. I mean they they hand this
Speaker 2: community's things too, and people riff off of it. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like we're not immune to it either, you know,
Speaker 2: like we get we get it too. On our level
Speaker 2: of study too, if we're not careful.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would say, if you want to you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know how how fall Lisa wants to go
Speaker 4: with this, but I would say, if you wanted to
Speaker 4: get into maybe specific names of people who might and
Speaker 4: now again, I do think you might be into the occult.
Speaker 4: I think he's more of a tech person who knows
Speaker 4: what the fuck he's doing. But my opinion, I think
Speaker 4: Peter Teal's got to slumb up the fucking the United
Speaker 4: States is right now controlling it. I think he's controlling Trump,
Speaker 4: he's controlling jd. Evans, probably knocked off whole Kogan too,
Speaker 4: who the fuck knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is interesting what Nick's saying. Sorry, loomis no,
Speaker 2: no go for it. I had nothing real good to say,
Speaker 2: go ahead. I just wanted to say.
Speaker 6: What Nick's saying is really interesting because It's come up
Speaker 6: in several discussions that I've had lately, is that this
Speaker 6: idea of like parafictional magic, which is people will die.
Speaker 6: So Haul Cogan could have died last week, like Nick
Speaker 6: was sing, we don't know because we weren't there. We
Speaker 6: have no no fucking idea, So he could have died
Speaker 6: at any time, but they tell us magical dates or
Speaker 6: they re narrativize the dates, so it's not untrue, like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he died recently, maybe died two days ago, but it's
Speaker 6: not a magic number. So we're gonna just a lot
Speaker 6: of Chinese people do this. This is why I know
Speaker 6: about this, because especially for birthdays, they will do it.
Speaker 6: If you're born in an inauspicious day or an unlucky
Speaker 6: day or very very unlucky day. There are certain remedies
Speaker 6: that people do and like they're kind of magical. I
Speaker 6: would say, like one of the things is this happened
Speaker 6: to Bruce Lee's. They dressed him as a girl for
Speaker 6: a year and gave him a girl's name, so then
Speaker 6: when that year was done, he became a boy and
Speaker 6: then that was his actual birthday was one year later.
Speaker 2: So me neither.
Speaker 6: So there's a lot of ways that I think that
Speaker 6: this happens with especially with people who know occult numbers
Speaker 6: and know numerology and astrology. I think they pick dates
Speaker 6: for themselves. I don't think it necessarily just aligns like
Speaker 6: yes to a degree, yes, but in general I think
Speaker 6: that they choose magic things to happen on magic numbers
Speaker 6: or at least things that appear here magical. So I
Speaker 6: know this has been something that Nick and Lisa I've
Speaker 6: talked a lot a lot about on a NIXT show
Speaker 6: is that it's like magic is about perception, exactly like
Speaker 6: what Nick said, it's about what you believe, like your
Speaker 6: own preconceptions of what you have around things, rather than
Speaker 6: what they actually are.
Speaker 5: And to build upon with Jinn said, doesn't royalty do
Speaker 5: that with numbers like birth definitely like death dates. I
Speaker 5: don't know about birth dates, but I do know like
Speaker 5: about marriage dates and all of that other stuff, royalty
Speaker 5: do align the dates specifically to their liking or to
Speaker 5: whatever they want it's more magical or powerful. And then
Speaker 5: to build upon wa Joe was saying, Yeah, I one
Speaker 5: hundred percent believe exactly what Jin is saying, and as
Speaker 5: well as with Nick and then magic is the hammer.
Speaker 5: You can either use it to help you or you
Speaker 5: can use it to harm others. And usually if you're
Speaker 5: that hammer on other people, it's probably too harm where
Speaker 5: it's not in their favor because you're wanting to manipulate
Speaker 5: a situation. But if you're using the hammer for yourself, obviously,
Speaker 5: but you know, if you're using you know, you're probably
Speaker 5: trying to benefit your situation or you're trying to benefit
Speaker 5: yourself and grow as a person. And I do think
Speaker 5: that when we initially my experience, when I heard about
Speaker 5: the word occult or I heard the word of magic,
Speaker 5: it had a negative connotation.
Speaker 7: That was the I guess.
Speaker 5: The society that I grew up in, the culture I
Speaker 5: grew up in, that that was kind of the sentiment,
Speaker 5: so to speak. But then when you go into the
Speaker 5: Hispanic culture and you're speaking in Spanish, it didn't have that.
Speaker 5: And so I existed in these two planes where in
Speaker 5: the English speaking world of my life, magic was bad,
Speaker 5: a cult was bad. In my Spanish speaking way of life,
Speaker 5: magic was a tool. A cult was hidden knowledge that
Speaker 5: the Shamans practiced, and that it was outside of the
Speaker 5: realm of institutionalized and centralized medicine. So I mean, I
Speaker 5: think it has a lot to do with breaking that
Speaker 5: stigma and realizing that it is a tool, just it's portrayed.
Speaker 5: And like Jim was saying, the perception is everything. Goebbels
Speaker 5: was a master at this in the Nazi Party. That
Speaker 5: perception was the actual way to sway and manipulate, and
Speaker 5: that was a magic tool. And what he did, especially
Speaker 5: what you said was screen What did you say, screen magic?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: They even see people compare these things phones to a
Speaker 2: scrying mirror, you know. So yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I always like bringing this up.
Speaker 4: As as Kirchis said back in the day, he said,
Speaker 4: at some point you believe that, you know, in the future,
Speaker 4: that through crystals and light, we'll be.
Speaker 3: Able to project demons and spirits. I mean, and that's.
Speaker 4: Basically exactly how how our technology works. I mean, are
Speaker 4: all these screens line up with crystals and with the
Speaker 4: internet that we have? All it is is flashing light
Speaker 4: through fucking waters, so I mean technically through that and
Speaker 4: then turning into Wi Fi you know whatever. But technically
Speaker 4: the guy wasn't wrong. He said that in the sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah, Well where is this technology really originating from? Too?
Speaker 2: That's that's probably an answer that leads up to the
Speaker 2: top too, because this kind of this this stuff, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you were living a tribal member coming out of
Speaker 2: the the forest, been living there your whole life, and
Speaker 2: you saw that you can get internet anywhere, that's magic.
Speaker 2: I mean, even I don't. I don't understand how Wi
Speaker 2: Fi totally works. Like I can get it here in
Speaker 2: this room. It's like it's like a radio station in
Speaker 2: a way, but like it's just weird. It's like it's
Speaker 2: magic in itself. So where's this technology coming from? It
Speaker 2: seems like they're just giving us little bits, like giving
Speaker 2: us a little here there here. You guys have these
Speaker 2: phones now, but they're they're coming from like some kind
Speaker 2: of stockpile of of you know, really high tech stuff,
Speaker 2: and they're just there's slowly releasing it out to the public.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna jump in really quick. Loomis, Oh sorry, Loomis.
Speaker 6: I think that the reality is is that technology is
Speaker 6: magic to a high degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it's basically indistinguishable. This is why I think
Speaker 6: it's really important what Nick and Lisa both said. It's
Speaker 6: like if you call magic evil but then post from
Speaker 6: your phone, just to use a personal example, you're doing magic,
Speaker 6: whether you acknowledge it or not. Maybe you remain in
Speaker 6: ignorance or maybe you grow in wisdom. I think that's
Speaker 6: interesting sort of way to put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 5: We always like if we were to drop a car
Speaker 5: back in I don't know eight hundred BC. They would
Speaker 5: immediately say it was magic, or it was a devil,
Speaker 5: or it was a demon, or it was it something
Speaker 5: because they don't understand it, they don't know how it works,
Speaker 5: they don't know what it is. Fear Fear taints and
Speaker 5: colors the object, for instance, the car in this scenario
Speaker 5: as being back as being magic because they fear it.
Speaker 5: And the moment you place fear and you color it
Speaker 5: with fear, it automatically becomes bad. And so with the technology,
Speaker 5: like Jen was saying, I think it is it is magic,
Speaker 5: and maybe a lot of it is that what we
Speaker 5: perceive as chaos isn't really chaos.
Speaker 7: We just don't understand the language.
Speaker 5: We don't understand how it works, and immediately we immediately say, oh,
Speaker 5: it's this or it's and maybe it is again, but
Speaker 5: we don't know the ins and outs of it per se.
Speaker 5: But to an extent, it is magic. You are summoning information.
Speaker 5: I mean, isn't that the whole definition of acquiring the
Speaker 5: Akashak records? That you are summoning information that exists out
Speaker 5: in this unorganized air into an actual scrying rock. And
Speaker 5: you said, tribe tribal I mean John D when he
Speaker 5: uses grying rock, it came from the Macha cup people,
Speaker 5: the astic people, and that's where you got rock from,
Speaker 5: and that's where he got And please correct me if
Speaker 5: I'm wrong, most of the Innokian magic.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 5: You're accessing this information and organizing it into this device
Speaker 5: to project a more ordered form of information for you
Speaker 5: to understand. And that's exactly it. I mean again, I
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know if that was incorrect, so
Speaker 5: please correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 6: I think that's great. So I mean, that's exactly what
Speaker 6: Least said. It's like the ipsos, it's like the many
Speaker 6: or what we're drawing knowledge. That's what really what it is,
Speaker 6: because that's what the Internet presents to us, like an
Speaker 6: infinite possibility of knowledge, specifically that word knowledge. But it
Speaker 6: comes with so many pitfalls, so much misinformation, so much
Speaker 6: false things, and even in truth things can also be false.
Speaker 6: So I think that you brought this up, Blu misses
Speaker 6: that like the even the quote unquote truth community, Like
Speaker 6: what truth are they really looking for? Because there's truth
Speaker 6: that that's meaningful and truth that that is what I
Speaker 6: would call a cleap up.
Speaker 2: But maybe we won't go there today.
Speaker 6: But it's it's it's a pitfall really, like it's like
Speaker 6: a truth that doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4: I had, you know, right, I don't know if anybody
Speaker 4: here has an avenged sevenfold fan. Well, like I've posted
Speaker 4: this and I really do think it really encapsulates humanity today.
Speaker 4: And I'm sorry if people take it, you know, it's
Speaker 4: their line. Uh, tell me a lie in a beautiful way.
Speaker 4: I believe in truth, but just not today. That's exactly
Speaker 4: what the fuck people want. They want to hear some
Speaker 4: alien ufo, fucking somebody got fucked in the ass and
Speaker 4: Alista Crowley did it.
Speaker 3: That's what they want to hear.
Speaker 4: They don't want to hear the fucking truth of science
Speaker 4: that they can't understand and it scares them.
Speaker 3: So it's just fucking weird.
Speaker 4: I can't understand this, it's not I can't digest this
Speaker 4: in a meme, so must be bullshit and I don't
Speaker 4: want to entertain it. But like you got people covering
Speaker 4: some of the most ignorant shit being praised for that work.
Speaker 4: There's something wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I well, I think the
Speaker 2: pursuit for truth for some people it's just kind of
Speaker 2: exposing this, you know, the darker agendas in the world,
Speaker 2: which you know, I get behind. But a lot of
Speaker 2: people will get into this and they they don't realize
Speaker 2: what they're not really trying to dig out real truth,
Speaker 2: and they don't really want to take it that far,
Speaker 2: you know. And of course the the what is that
Speaker 2: saying that?
Speaker 1: The the.
Speaker 2: Two worst crimes I'm butcher butchering it is is not
Speaker 2: getting started and not going all the way. So a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't want to go all the way
Speaker 2: when they really seek this knowledge and really go well this,
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't want to I don't want to
Speaker 2: go there. That just that's too much for me. I
Speaker 2: just want to know a couple of things. So I guess, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's good that you said that, because what are
Speaker 2: people really seeking in this truth community? You know?
Speaker 4: But I think they're seeking more of dick and far
Speaker 4: jokes and dudes rubbing themselves down with baby ohill, that's
Speaker 4: what I think they're seeking more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's half assed for sure. Yeah, well you know that,
Speaker 2: it's I think dark there. There is definitely dark occultism
Speaker 2: where people are using this against us, but they're just
Speaker 2: using like you guys have said a tool. So I
Speaker 2: guess going back to kind of the original sort of
Speaker 2: thing we started with, is these Olympias they called themselves.
Speaker 4: What when he said that was that I didn't get
Speaker 4: that because in my opinion, maybe Gin and Lisa might
Speaker 4: even thought the same thing when I heard Olympians, I'm like,
Speaker 4: those are gods like we would use in magic, like
Speaker 4: or planetary gods.
Speaker 2: I just didn't understand very yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, technically, they're not like
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, they're really like not like they're
Speaker 4: in the flesh. So like, I didn't understand where that
Speaker 4: was coming from.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's what they called himselves, So I
Speaker 2: guess they think that of themselves, As you know.
Speaker 4: I found that interesting people he said the Olympians. I'm like, see,
Speaker 4: now those are actual like planetary.
Speaker 3: Gods and like what she said in Pika Tricks and stuff.
Speaker 4: I did find that interesting that that was mentioned, because
Speaker 4: I don't know if most people would even know.
Speaker 3: That, and they might think Olympians is something else. But
Speaker 3: I don't know how he was using it. I find
Speaker 3: that interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, he's using it because he got information at the
Speaker 2: London I think it was a London library or somewhere
Speaker 2: where he got a lot of this information and found
Speaker 2: out about the Committee of three hundred. But this group
Speaker 2: called self the Olympians. Now I don't know, but that
Speaker 2: I mean, then then you get into the well, okay,
Speaker 2: is this is this going off off planet or interdimensional?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like these blood line are
Speaker 2: these the are these the blood lines of the Nephilum
Speaker 2: where you know that we're put in charge of this planet?
Speaker 2: I mean, is that what they're getting at. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just just going off riffing off of it. You know.
Speaker 4: Well, I think like even the Lisa's talked about it
Speaker 4: on our show a bunch of times in different ways.
Speaker 4: I Mean, the blood line thing, I do think is
Speaker 4: something that's trying to be kept for sure. I mean,
Speaker 4: you could definitely see preserving blood or the DNA.
Speaker 2: For a reason.
Speaker 3: If they came from, like you know, fallen angels.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but you know, I wonder how much
Speaker 5: of it is that they're referring themselves to, Like they
Speaker 5: don't want to call themselves elite because elite has now
Speaker 5: been given a bad connotation, but they do consider themselves
Speaker 5: an elite group. You know, think of an Olympian, a
Speaker 5: person that trains and they get to the Olympics and
Speaker 5: compete in the Olympics. Technically they are the elite in
Speaker 5: their group, right, They basically competed against other people and
Speaker 5: they qualify there and now they're going for the gold.
Speaker 5: And maybe that's how they are perceiving themselves and why
Speaker 5: they refer to themselves unless they're Greek, I don't know.
Speaker 5: But it's interesting that they say themselves because it's like
Speaker 5: if there's the three, you know, if them three hundred
Speaker 5: morphed into the twelve. When I say twelve the Olympians,
Speaker 5: the gods, they were a group of twelve, weren't they.
Speaker 5: I mean in twelve in your group? I mean, is
Speaker 5: that what we're saying.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 5: And then when we go with blood lines, yeah, there's
Speaker 5: definitely a search for bloodlines. Blood lines have been very important.
Speaker 5: If most of the important texts that we know they
Speaker 5: document bloodlines. There's this constant surveillance of blood throughout when
Speaker 5: and I go back to Royalty because I think their
Speaker 5: decisions us what is important to them, and they do
Speaker 5: all kinds of blood testing to see who is related,
Speaker 5: and you can only marry who is related, and keeping
Speaker 5: the bloodlines clean and what have you. It is important
Speaker 5: to them. And so my assumption is that it is
Speaker 5: important in a grander scheme that we don't understand or
Speaker 5: don't see it how they see it.
Speaker 4: So one thing I would like to add to what
Speaker 4: she's even saying, even when it comes to science and
Speaker 4: physiology in the body. You know, me and Lisa and
Speaker 4: I even myself are doing solo work, have like showed
Speaker 4: multiple times people from the fifteen to sixteen hundreds that
Speaker 4: are drawing eyeballs and brains and nerves and talking about
Speaker 4: the blood. You know, that's how long ago you know,
Speaker 4: they were occultists. They understood that. There's a lot of times,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, there is actually science, like legit science
Speaker 4: about the body that's even being shown in occultism, and
Speaker 4: people don't catch it at all. You know, But if
Speaker 4: you start looking back at some of the people that influenced,
Speaker 4: you know, all the bad guys that we have now, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, the ogs that nobody even knows the exist
Speaker 4: they're looking at, you know, how the eyeball works, how
Speaker 4: it works with the brain. You know, they're talking about
Speaker 4: how blood is important. You know, you're talking about alchemy
Speaker 4: and saying it's not even metals, that it's spiritual. You know,
Speaker 4: you have to start wondering is there actually some science
Speaker 4: behind the magic as well? Because they were talking about
Speaker 4: it then, how could we don't hear about it now?
Speaker 4: You know, so like you know, even getting into just
Speaker 4: tying the blood into it. You know, they were looking
Speaker 4: at that stuff a long time ago. Yeah, I think, uh,
Speaker 4: one of the people, Robert Flood, I think, uh, Lisa
Speaker 4: correct d it was you who found it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't he the one.
Speaker 4: Who I think kind of figured out or like worked
Speaker 4: on somebody's something with blood pressure, the way the blood flowed.
Speaker 4: I think, so, yeah, I know it's yeah, and I
Speaker 4: know I put it in the in the in the show,
Speaker 4: but it was something that you had told me about
Speaker 4: and I looked into it more. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: even he was you know, this guy was from the
Speaker 4: sixteen hundreds. He was an alchemist, and you know that
Speaker 4: guy was like basically kind of set the set the
Speaker 4: standard of like something to do with blood flow. You know,
Speaker 4: these these people were into ship like that.
Speaker 5: But you know, when you look at okay, you're saying Olympians,
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking Greece, and correct me if I'm wrong, Gen, please,
Speaker 5: stuff and that Greece and Turkey as somewhat of a
Speaker 5: bridge between Sufiism and all of coming from the East
Speaker 5: into the West. And you had this this kind of bridge,
Speaker 5: I think. And so most of what we know with
Speaker 5: occultism is Western occultism, and most of the Western occultism
Speaker 5: originated in the East. They borrowed it, or they synthesized it,
Speaker 5: or they made it their own and put their own
Speaker 5: label on it, but most of it came from them,
Speaker 5: and a lot of nipple stuff, a lot of the
Speaker 5: scientific stuff. Almost all the polymaths, all of the occulties
Speaker 5: of old were polymaths everything everything from literature, debate, to
Speaker 5: medical science, astronomy. They knew everything. And I believe, Jenny,
Speaker 5: please correct me if I'm wrong. You had this huge
Speaker 5: East that came across and you have this pivot almost
Speaker 5: within Greece and Turkey, I mean geographically speaking, and then
Speaker 5: it moves over into the West.
Speaker 7: Is that correct, Gen.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what happened, Lisa, you said it really well,
Speaker 6: so absolutely, I think that that's a really interesting way
Speaker 6: and I think that's sort of why we all work
Speaker 6: well together on the when that invites me on and
Speaker 6: Lisa is obviously on the with me. Is that is
Speaker 6: because we kind of are able to like suspend our
Speaker 6: disbelief in sort of the modern ideas of how occult
Speaker 6: texts got transmitted. So obviously this is a running joke
Speaker 6: on the show. I'm sorry, Nick, I'm not trying to
Speaker 6: tease you, but we say, well, I will say it's
Speaker 6: a larp or I'll say we was kings wearer kind
Speaker 6: of words. So a lot of a lot of modern
Speaker 6: occultists do we as kings, which means that they believe
Speaker 6: that they are the originator of all that'll call knowledge. Right,
Speaker 6: everybody does this, every ethnicity, every single one. I can
Speaker 6: guarantee you there's not a you know, there's not a
Speaker 6: tribal there's not a tribal group in this world that
Speaker 6: doesn't believe that they are the chosen people. So I'm
Speaker 6: not going to say that, but yeah, so I also
Speaker 6: have I'm a Central Asianist by sort of how I
Speaker 6: look at the world, loo miss, And so for me,
Speaker 6: it definitely what Lisa said, It's like Turkey is such
Speaker 6: an important point it's a point of person Persianification. That's
Speaker 6: really where a lot of this idea ideas come from.
Speaker 6: Is really is Zorastrianism, if you want to call it.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 6: A lot of our sort of alcoholism, whether it's Eastern
Speaker 6: or Western, there is sort of like where they're meeting
Speaker 6: in the middle the world island.
Speaker 2: You could even say, so an origin point. You're saying
Speaker 2: kind of in Turkey, you think, I think that's that's
Speaker 2: very close to the truth.
Speaker 6: I think that you see in Turkey because Turks aren't Arabs, right,
Speaker 6: So we ascribe a lot of our modern medical knowledge
Speaker 6: to the Arabic texts. But the Arabic texts were actually
Speaker 6: written by Mughalized meaning Persianified North Indians. So is it
Speaker 6: really Arab knowledge? I mean, I don't really think it matters.
Speaker 6: That's not how I sort of think of it. But
Speaker 6: I'm just when we're looking at a continuum of ocult ideas,
Speaker 6: we have to say that this kind of Aryan Persian,
Speaker 6: Kashmir KASHMIRI sort of like Tibetan, Kazakhstani, Azerbaijani, Armenian. There's
Speaker 6: kind of a nexus point. There's a nexus point with
Speaker 6: all these different religions Christianity included and esoteric Christianity maybe
Speaker 6: the most important in terms of how we understand the
Speaker 6: different Like Lisa was saying, it's like a wheel that
Speaker 6: pushed all the information in all ten directions.
Speaker 7: You'd say, yeah.
Speaker 5: And the reason I bring this up because you mentioned
Speaker 5: the Olympians in that they consider themselves to be at
Speaker 5: the top, and so where do you sit at the top.
Speaker 5: It's going to be advantage point or a vantage view
Speaker 5: where you can see all. You can see into the east,
Speaker 5: and you can see into the west, you can see
Speaker 5: into the north, and you can see into the south.
Speaker 7: They are doing.
Speaker 5: They sit at the top like on Mount Olympus, right,
Speaker 5: they could see over everything and synthesize all knowledge and
Speaker 5: incorporate it into their own and utilize it for their
Speaker 5: own And that's what I'm assuming is what is happening
Speaker 5: with all that. But again going back to the bloodline,
Speaker 5: I think that is very very important. They do think
Speaker 5: there's a preservation for a purpose, but we cannot forget
Speaker 5: that they are they were privy if they are bloodlines
Speaker 5: and they preserved and that means that they've preserved knowledge
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 7: They probably were at.
Speaker 5: The new ground zero during the biting of the apple,
Speaker 5: don't take of the fruit of knowledge and evil. They
Speaker 5: decide to take the bite, and they want all knowledge,
Speaker 5: regardless if it's good or evil, and so they sit
Speaker 5: at that point absorbing the knowledge for regions. In my mind,
Speaker 5: that's how I see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 6: The Olympian point is also really important. Like Lisa, I
Speaker 6: know she keeps coming back to it because it's so important. No,
Speaker 6: it is important because I think it's about archetypes. I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't want to speak for Lisa or Nick. I
Speaker 6: just want to say I think it's about.
Speaker 2: At least one layer, one layer.
Speaker 6: You should say there are multiple layers of meaning, right,
Speaker 6: but I think at one layer, I think it's about
Speaker 6: the planetary archetypes, the actual god names that people are
Speaker 6: familiar with. Like when people say, like Jupiter, I know
Speaker 6: that's not a Greek name, that's a Roman name for
Speaker 6: the quote unquote same deity. But we're saying they're equivalent.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying they're cosmologically equal. For this conversation, I
Speaker 6: think when people don't understand like what that actually means,
Speaker 6: like Nick was saying, like from the pictrix, there is
Speaker 6: a hierarchy. There's a hierarchy in angelic intelligences and also
Speaker 6: planetary like there's there's layers of how these things should
Speaker 6: be understood, and everything is kind of ordered underneath God.
Speaker 6: So people get really caught up with these what I
Speaker 6: have called lower density names, and because that's exactly how
Speaker 6: a book like The Pictricks would describe it. It's a
Speaker 6: lower quality name. You're drawing something else. So if you're
Speaker 6: doing an invocation or an election to Jupiter, you're probably
Speaker 6: going to do it for my maybe getting a job
Speaker 6: maybe depends. It depends. Different people have different ways they work.
Speaker 6: But you can do it for that. You can do
Speaker 6: it for like maybe a promotion that would be a
Speaker 6: really good jubiterarian working. So I think that people draw
Speaker 6: in these archetypes in the lesser quality is what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: So they try and embody it like a CEO that
Speaker 6: fulfills a lot of magical archetypes. A tech CEO fulfills
Speaker 6: a lot of magical archetypes because tech is also magic
Speaker 6: to a degree. So you could say these are quote
Speaker 6: unquote modern alchemists. Now do I think they're very smart?
Speaker 6: Not really, but there are really smart people in the sciences,
Speaker 6: and there are really smart people doing tech work. So
Speaker 6: I think it's about it's kind of a race to
Speaker 6: see which idea wins. It's kind of liberated absolutely, you know,
Speaker 6: ecosystem of information or a more hyper controlled one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And just to kind of interject into exactly what
Speaker 5: j'en said in that it it is they I feel
Speaker 5: like maybe the Olympians where they sit in the Committee
Speaker 5: of three hundred, or probably the Polymaths of the three hundred,
Speaker 5: they are sitting at the very top. They are the
Speaker 5: administrative staff. I don't know something, and that they and
Speaker 5: everything that we see today and we talk about today,
Speaker 5: that that is where they're trying to do the most manipulation.
Speaker 5: Whether it's biological, whether it's electromagnetic, whether it's human consciousness,
Speaker 5: whether anything that you have heard on some sort of
Speaker 5: truth or conspiracy podcast. They've looked into it, and they
Speaker 5: probably have their own science team, they probably have their
Speaker 5: own lab, They probably outsource their stuff, and they are
Speaker 5: aware of it all because that is important to them.
Speaker 5: And again we go back to the synthesis of knowledge
Speaker 5: and that they know they're taking from all the different
Speaker 5: cultures and all the different belief systems and synthesizing something
Speaker 5: for themselves and taking a bite of that apple.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about Zoroastrianism. Is that right? Would that
Speaker 2: have come from something else? Though? Like would they have
Speaker 2: taken that from the Samerians or the Acadians or I
Speaker 2: mean it's that same region. So do you think it
Speaker 2: even came goes further back? Or what are we looking
Speaker 2: at here?
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll just say really, I'll see my part really
Speaker 6: quick and then I'll let weecond LEAs a go. So
Speaker 6: for me, I don't think it matters lumis. That's how
Speaker 6: I sort of look at it. I'm more like, we
Speaker 6: have this information. We know it came from about the
Speaker 6: first century AD, maybe the first century DC. We have
Speaker 6: texts that come before, sure, one hundred percent, But what again,
Speaker 6: what narratives do we believe? It's like the ecosystem of ideas,
Speaker 6: which ones do we build our world around? So for me,
Speaker 6: I just think, okay, yeah, sure, it's all those stories,
Speaker 6: the other ones that came before. They're great, they're nice,
Speaker 6: so it's beautiful. Okay, But I because I'm a Buddhist liimits.
Speaker 6: So for me, we believe it, we treat religion or
Speaker 6: not religion. Me, we treat cycles much more axially, so
Speaker 6: it progresses. We're always in a progression forward. Doesn't mean
Speaker 6: that it's not a cycle. Sure it's a cycle, but
Speaker 6: what we do with it in our consciousness right now,
Speaker 6: like this very moment, like us in discourse right now,
Speaker 6: the four of us, like what do we take of
Speaker 6: these little these ideas that we're talking about and then
Speaker 6: move it forward into our conversations like in a week
Speaker 6: or in a month, or like.
Speaker 2: The ways that I'm more interested in.
Speaker 6: Consciousness is I guess what I'm saying, rather than speculative archaeology.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to take that long Beta. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Lea's sake over, you can go, Lisa.
Speaker 5: So the what I know about Zoroastrianism and Zarathustra was
Speaker 5: the stuff that Nick and I covered on vehicul Rechecks
Speaker 5: when we looked at occultists from the past, and to me,
Speaker 5: it was a very interesting trip down what is available
Speaker 5: historically about that. Now we all know that history is
Speaker 5: written by the winner, Honker right, and so have to
Speaker 5: look at all history as okay, who's.
Speaker 7: Giving who wrote it?
Speaker 5: And what was the skirmish that led to this person
Speaker 5: writing that, but and knowing that what we do have, Yes,
Speaker 5: Zoroastrianism does come from that area. To answer your question,
Speaker 5: or at least that's what it is said, and please
Speaker 5: correct me if I'm wrong here.
Speaker 6: That seems like that seems like what it's said. I mean,
Speaker 6: that seems like our origin point. So we just say speculatively,
Speaker 6: that's our origin point, right.
Speaker 5: That's our data point. That's what we know so far.
Speaker 5: And I like to say that to nick a lot,
Speaker 5: it's a data point. We don't know if it's right.
Speaker 5: We don't know now, liar, we don't know what. At
Speaker 5: some point we're collecting all the data and we'll see
Speaker 5: where it falls on the graph, right, But.
Speaker 7: I will say that it is.
Speaker 5: It is older than some of the religions that today,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of are more of the headliners, you know,
Speaker 5: or the super bowls of the religions. And it does
Speaker 5: come from that region. It has it crept into other religions.
Speaker 5: I'm sure it has. I'm sure at some point there's synthesis.
Speaker 5: I mean, being a Hispanic, I know a lot about
Speaker 5: the belief system of the indigenous because it was married
Speaker 5: into Catholicism. Because I was the only way. The indigenous
Speaker 5: were just going to uptake it. Now, I think that's
Speaker 5: true of other tribes or other peoples. In order to
Speaker 5: come in and bring in your thought, your belief system,
Speaker 5: you had to somehow adopt it into what they currently
Speaker 5: were doing. They're not going to incorporate tomatoes into someone's
Speaker 5: diet if they've never seen it how to use it.
Speaker 7: Same thing with religion.
Speaker 5: So I think that I've heard the narrative that zero
Speaker 5: Astrium is just Islam, or as lom as just Zoroastrium.
Speaker 7: I'm sure there's.
Speaker 5: Remnants and there's I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 5: But with the Zoroastrianism, yes, it is a completely different
Speaker 5: belief system to.
Speaker 7: What we do know.
Speaker 5: But I will say, if you look at the actual
Speaker 5: person that they attribute Zoroastrianism, he had a lot of
Speaker 5: inspiration from Pythagoras. And yet you know, we have a
Speaker 5: lot of these secret societies that all get their belief
Speaker 5: system from Pythagoras as well. All these people were building
Speaker 5: upon each other, All these people were incorporating these ideas
Speaker 5: into their belief system because they were all seeking knowledge
Speaker 5: as well. They were all seeking the truth as well.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that answers your question that was
Speaker 5: really long when died to apologize.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good, it's pretty good, very nicely.
Speaker 4: I guess my answer and why I had to let
Speaker 4: Lisa go first is because mine Pia just actually probably
Speaker 4: kill the whole the whole question, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: But it's just that's my opinion.
Speaker 4: I think most of these stories and all these different
Speaker 4: you know, pantheons, I think that is a group of
Speaker 4: people that happened to start having their own magical experiences
Speaker 4: and started using art and symbols to express it. I
Speaker 4: just think different areas just have different art. And what
Speaker 4: I'm getting at is like these symbols in this art
Speaker 4: and these gods that they create are archetypes to express
Speaker 4: the experience of dying and coming back. And you know,
Speaker 4: that would be my opinion, that's what happens when you
Speaker 4: cross the abyss, so have a magical experience, you separate
Speaker 4: your soul from the body or tell pretty damn far
Speaker 4: and uh you know, just say and it sounds crazy,
Speaker 4: but uh yeah, it's the experience the visuals that they see,
Speaker 4: and then I think they're even expressing and I know
Speaker 4: this sounds crazy, like I think a lot of gods
Speaker 4: and a lot of archetypes are actually parts of your body.
Speaker 4: And when you have this magical experience, things change, and
Speaker 4: that change is depicted in god names and all this
Speaker 4: other stuff. But you know, I have even said before,
Speaker 4: you know, when you want to start getting into it,
Speaker 4: even when you start looking at how the nervous system
Speaker 4: looks in the body, it looks a little bit like wings.
Speaker 4: And what does the nervous system do? They send messages?
Speaker 4: My opinion, I think angels are just fucking nervous system.
Speaker 4: That's one part of it. You know, Jim was saying
Speaker 4: before that you have all these different these different levels
Speaker 4: of angels or gods and this and that. I have
Speaker 4: said this multiple times. There is basically one male and
Speaker 4: one female and then all those other fucking names. We're
Speaker 4: all just the same person going through their journey and
Speaker 4: changing through an alchemical experience. It's like if I, you know,
Speaker 4: had a flashlight and I shined it here onto the wall,
Speaker 4: you're gonna have Isis and Isis and raw or Isis
Speaker 4: and Osiris just those two. I mean, I could probably
Speaker 4: go back fall the Hathorne Raw whatever those two. Now,
Speaker 4: you know, between this Flashlight and that wall are gonna
Speaker 4: change into all these other characters until they finally hit
Speaker 4: the wall different spaces of time, And I honestly think,
Speaker 4: like that's.
Speaker 3: You know, it's again. I'll put it this way.
Speaker 4: Tooth is Horace and Raw at some other point, you know,
Speaker 4: it is all just the same one or two male
Speaker 4: and female energies that are going through this love dance
Speaker 4: like a DNA and changing, you know, as they're intermingling.
Speaker 4: So I mean, so I guess what I'm getting at
Speaker 4: is I think a lot of these gods actually and
Speaker 4: all these.
Speaker 3: Pantheons really aren't literal.
Speaker 4: There's another thing I say on the show, I don't
Speaker 4: believe these things again just for me maybe because like
Speaker 4: if that at some point I stopped reading comic books.
Speaker 4: I don't think like fucking Thori is some real fucking
Speaker 4: dude that's.
Speaker 3: Gonna come down and smashing people with his hammer. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 4: There's you know, uh, it's Modious is waiting in some
Speaker 4: room for someone to fucking call him down so he
Speaker 4: can manifest and start doing horrible shit. It's all parts
Speaker 4: of your fucking mind and your whatever your body. I
Speaker 4: don't believe these things are like the way people look
Speaker 4: at them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So that's why I said, it kind of kills the
Speaker 3: whole the whole question.
Speaker 4: You're asking because I just kind of basically shit on
Speaker 4: all those ideas. But again, you know, they I think
Speaker 4: they do tell a story, but I just think the
Speaker 4: deepest story of it is, uh, is actually physiology, parts
Speaker 4: of the body and the experience of dying and coming back.
Speaker 2: Wow, I've never thought about it like that. That's awesome.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you like one thing, like this is my
Speaker 4: honest opinion because of fucking with magic. If you have
Speaker 4: you ever seen the movie Flat Liners, that shit has
Speaker 4: to be real because of my appearance. That's just that's
Speaker 4: a hack to have a magical experience. I'll go into
Speaker 4: a meditation to knock myself out. They'll just use fucking
Speaker 4: medications that knock themselves out and bring them back.
Speaker 3: Same thing.
Speaker 5: That's really uh, Please correct me if I'm the so
Speaker 5: Thustra J. How do you say his name? I don't
Speaker 5: know how you say his name? Okay, he was in
Speaker 5: meditative stance on the river bank when he had an
Speaker 5: experience with God. Everything that you're talking about meditation and
Speaker 5: most of these people. I'm assuming most of these people
Speaker 5: that are practicing magic for themselves are wanting to have
Speaker 5: an experience with God. They're wanting to have an experience
Speaker 5: with a divine or with something outside of themselves, bigger
Speaker 5: than themselves. And I think that they want to cut
Speaker 5: out the middleman and and no longer adhere to the
Speaker 5: middleman and just me and me and JC or me
Speaker 5: and g O D or me and whoever want to
Speaker 5: just have that conversation without someone interpreting or having the
Speaker 5: type of of a you know, middleman situation. But you know,
Speaker 5: with your question going back to Zas, yes, this is
Speaker 5: where I guess again, Jin please please please please correct
Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. Zoroastrianism is where we start to
Speaker 5: see dualism enter into the Western religion. This is where
Speaker 5: we get eschatology, this is where we get angelogy, and
Speaker 5: dualism is in that Trojan Or Am I wrong on that?
Speaker 2: No, You're totally correct.
Speaker 6: Like before Zoroastrianism, there really wasn't a philosophy of religion.
Speaker 6: There was just practical ritual texts, like just texts that
Speaker 6: you did performed for state rituals or maybe private rituals,
Speaker 6: whatever it wasn't. It wasn't like people didn't think about
Speaker 6: it in these like more intricate ways.
Speaker 5: So the world wasn't ending like in eschatology type scenarios, right.
Speaker 2: It just continued.
Speaker 6: You just performed the daily sacrifices or the daily and
Speaker 6: the world just continued.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 6: It wasn't particularly demarketed by time. Now, this is really
Speaker 6: interesting because even the concept of time and divinity comes
Speaker 6: from this split that Lisa's referring to. In early Babylon,
Speaker 6: they applied Aristotelian logic to ritual text and then derived
Speaker 6: the philosophy of religion, meaning that they can speculate on
Speaker 6: the nature of God. Zoroastanism is very specific that you
Speaker 6: do not speculate on the nature of God because God
Speaker 6: is all that is good, that's the primordial idea. But
Speaker 6: when you speculate on them on Him in your consciousness
Speaker 6: exists a husk that like the if you believe God
Speaker 6: can be any part of evil, then that sort of
Speaker 6: takes shape in the world. So that's really what Lisa
Speaker 6: is speaking to, is like this idea of dualism. This
Speaker 6: is something that I think the Dharmic religions get really right.
Speaker 6: Is that we really put a high emphasis on non duality,
Speaker 6: so not understanding like spell text. So when they say
Speaker 6: ferocious things for us, it doesn't mean that it's actually
Speaker 6: a coded language, a twilight language that you have to
Speaker 6: sort of pierce the densities understand it. Like Nick is saying,
Speaker 6: like you have to understand it at a biological level,
Speaker 6: you have to understand the level of consciousness and maybe
Speaker 6: a secret.
Speaker 2: Level, maybe a more magician's level.
Speaker 6: So that's that's a lot what I think where all
Speaker 6: the three of us are. I think we're coming at
Speaker 6: it from different angles, but we're saying very much the
Speaker 6: same thing. Is that the story presentation, the mythology doesn't
Speaker 6: really matter that much.
Speaker 2: It's it's yes, it can help you, but you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: It's not a crutch.
Speaker 6: And people, especially in modern magic, tend to use it
Speaker 6: as a crutch. And I'm not saying it as.
Speaker 4: Like especially the Zodiac call man, it's everybody's past on
Speaker 4: doing dumb.
Speaker 7: The shit.
Speaker 6: Totally is yeah, you're not a passive agent. And I
Speaker 6: think that's what Zarathustra was also saying. It was like
Speaker 6: you need to be performing these acts. He called them tapisa,
Speaker 6: which is you are the flame. You are the flame
Speaker 6: of perception. So all the work that you need to
Speaker 6: do is inward. It's all turned inward to yourself, and
Speaker 6: that's where the experience of God will be.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: So here's a little little direction changes slightly. But I've
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of know this a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 2: what is the Is there a is there an application
Speaker 2: that for gold and magic like to gold? Is there
Speaker 2: something that gold is so important about gold? Like through
Speaker 2: history people are trying to chase this stuff that has
Speaker 2: no intrinsic value, yet it's it's so valuable that all
Speaker 2: these people are Is there is there a magic application
Speaker 2: with gold? I mean, what what is so important about gold?
Speaker 2: And why are these people chase it so much everywhere?
Speaker 7: I'll take a standout at first.
Speaker 5: Okay, so gold is the most and gen police correct
Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 7: Gold is one of one of.
Speaker 5: The metals that's the least reactive with other elements, and
Speaker 5: so you can you.
Speaker 7: Can wear it all the time and it's not going
Speaker 7: to turn green.
Speaker 5: You know, you can put it into something and it's
Speaker 5: not going to it's not going to react readily with
Speaker 5: that other elements. And I think one. That's what they
Speaker 5: what chemists love about gold. What I do know about
Speaker 5: gold is that gold is not created on Earth. It
Speaker 5: never has been. Gold is in police, correct me if
Speaker 5: I'm wrong. Gold is the product of supernova's dying, right, crashing, bursting,
Speaker 5: And so at some point something happened that we ended
Speaker 5: up with a whole lot of gold, whether we were
Speaker 5: near a supernova or we were with a star collapsing
Speaker 5: or something like that, and we ended up with that.
Speaker 5: And usually what happens is that when you have like
Speaker 5: a bursting or a crash or a dying of a star,
Speaker 5: it ejects, you know, all kinds of material, and that
Speaker 5: ejection tends to you know, do you know, I guess
Speaker 5: what send out? And then we acquire it in our
Speaker 5: Earth's crust land whatever, and then you know, more dirt
Speaker 5: gets laid on top, or lava gets laid on top,
Speaker 5: or the flood comes and puts that into the ground.
Speaker 5: So when we are mining gold, we're actually mining something
Speaker 5: that is not produced by the Earth per se. It
Speaker 5: was somehow given to us by the universe or the
Speaker 5: collapsing of stars. And that's why it's finite there. The
Speaker 5: Earth cannot produce what I guess. The Earth doesn't produce gold,
Speaker 5: so it's a finite quantity. So you know, the law
Speaker 5: of you know, economics is that we're not making anymore.
Speaker 5: So why do we want to create more gold? I
Speaker 5: think because alchemically when it has a high value. But
Speaker 5: to the fact that it's it's a very stable compound
Speaker 5: and it doesn't react with a whole lot of other compounds,
Speaker 5: I think, m.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would even say with gold, I would even
Speaker 4: go more I guess into science with that too, or
Speaker 4: I can't really explain it too much, but I do
Speaker 4: think that for neither vibratory cimatics or I think in
Speaker 4: a science way, gold actually can help maybe change frequencies
Speaker 4: stuff to do with, you know, with electricity. It may
Speaker 4: sound crazy, but I do actually think that is one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why the Catholic Church might sometimes put
Speaker 4: certain you know, gold and use a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of times now not a lot of
Speaker 4: times without finding out now and like I'm just wondering
Speaker 4: the type of metals have anything to do with it too.
Speaker 4: They're finding out now that there's churches that just the
Speaker 4: way they're built is will change the sound of the
Speaker 4: organ that's being played in there, so like whatever they're playing,
Speaker 4: actually the church is making it a different sound, but
Speaker 4: people don't even realize it. You know, does the metals
Speaker 4: in there even help with that? But I do actually
Speaker 4: think when it comes to certain metals, especially gold, there
Speaker 4: is actually something scientific with it that I think helps
Speaker 4: with like you.
Speaker 3: Know, unseen science.
Speaker 4: And I also do think when it comes to gold,
Speaker 4: just as symbology, I think just looking at it, even
Speaker 4: where it falls on the tree of life, I think
Speaker 4: by the time you hit Tiffer right, you're pretty much
Speaker 4: ready to blast off. So you know, it's also even
Speaker 4: looked at like where the magician would have the experience
Speaker 4: of the Holy Guardian Angel but are come in contact
Speaker 4: with it. But I just feel like even in a
Speaker 4: cult symbology symbolism, gold is used a lot as well
Speaker 4: just to express like maybe experience.
Speaker 6: I agree with that. I agree with both Nick and
Speaker 6: like because I think it is about it's it. I
Speaker 6: think the layer is it's it's alchemically sacred. So I
Speaker 6: think that and this is you can see, like it's
Speaker 6: not that all metaphysicians or wizards or alchemists or whatever
Speaker 6: you want to call them, they don't all agree. So
Speaker 6: there's obviously everybody knows that there are the three states
Speaker 6: in alchemy albedo, rubido, and nigrido, but there's actually a
Speaker 6: fourth state, and there can also be a fifth state,
Speaker 6: depends on how you count, and different alchemists will say
Speaker 6: different things. So there's obviously the state of greening, which
Speaker 6: is called chrysopia. So this is like a it's kind
Speaker 6: of what like Nick was talking about, like if you're
Speaker 6: talking about Cabala sometimes Tiffer, it is also described as
Speaker 6: having a green corona. But then you're if you're depending
Speaker 6: on which way directly. I know this is getting really esoteric,
Speaker 6: but depending on which way you're facing when you're there,
Speaker 6: you could see blue green or you could see kind
Speaker 6: of sparkling gold. It's kind of interesting if you're thinking
Speaker 6: about in a level of magical experience, how do you
Speaker 6: understand the sort of sign posts that are before you
Speaker 6: and which way do you want to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's cool, man. I I always just
Speaker 2: thought there was some kind of alchemical thing with gold.
Speaker 2: So there's something important that's there that we're not saying.
Speaker 3: That's another thing too, uh.
Speaker 4: Not not to get off of that, but if you really,
Speaker 4: if I really mean this, if people are like Google,
Speaker 4: you know, all the old alchemists, you know, like you know,
Speaker 4: the ogs, the people that I really had something to say,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now, probably ninety percent of them
Speaker 4: are going to tell you in their work this is
Speaker 4: not actually metals. This is the spiritual alchemy. I'm not
Speaker 4: trying to disc but I'm just the saying that I
Speaker 4: do think when it comes to alchemy, it's really not
Speaker 4: so much about.
Speaker 3: Creating a gold out of like a couple of the metals.
Speaker 4: I think it's more of like again, even with the
Speaker 4: Cobaalistic tree of life, every one of those fears, if
Speaker 4: you look at it hermetically, they all have some sort
Speaker 4: of mineral or you know, iron, this and that, aluminum,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, they all have something associated with that.
Speaker 4: If you start looking at like what those things do
Speaker 4: in science, you'll almost be like, I might almost make
Speaker 4: more sense for it to be like that. And certain
Speaker 4: things are reflective, certain things absorb more heat, certain things
Speaker 4: reflect more heat.
Speaker 3: So you know you saw one. You know, certain things
Speaker 3: that believe it or not tell you the truth.
Speaker 4: If you were to wear tinfoil hats for a long time,
Speaker 4: that could actually start to become a bad thing for
Speaker 4: your fucking brain. People probably don't know that, and it's
Speaker 4: a joke, but like there's somebody on my show actually
Speaker 4: really looked into it, and they even sent me some
Speaker 4: like shit, They're like, yo, it's actually not good for
Speaker 4: you to wear tinfoil hats. I was like, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: People will proponent it. Probably know that too, but uh, again,
Speaker 4: these original alchemists, a lot of them, were saying it
Speaker 4: has nothing to really do with that, and again just
Speaker 4: trying to show like when it comes to science, in
Speaker 4: my opinion, when you want to start looking at metals,
Speaker 4: it to me it almost makes no sense that they
Speaker 4: might have. And I know the weird thing is is
Speaker 4: to say, like, well, how did these people know this?
Speaker 4: My opinion, we've had this tech or understanding for a
Speaker 4: long time occultist at least did. I hate to say it,
Speaker 4: but you know, people again, like I was saying, people,
Speaker 4: it's certain people that I've covered, in my opinion, in
Speaker 4: their books. When they were drawing the eye in the brain,
Speaker 4: it's just as detailed as shit that you look at
Speaker 4: today that's done with like you know, microscopes. How the
Speaker 4: fuck were you doing that, but they were, you know,
Speaker 4: and it's a little weird. I don't know if like
Speaker 4: people like you don't maybe don't really notice it or
Speaker 4: be like even think. You know, I probably looked at
Speaker 4: the shit for a while until I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: how did you do this in the sixteen hundred? You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Most people wouldn't think of that, though,
Speaker 4: But there's something there with that. These people actually, in
Speaker 4: my opinion, they understood a lot more than we than
Speaker 4: we think that we understood back then.
Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Yeah, well, I mean so they've always been
Speaker 2: had they've always had an understanding I've been going back
Speaker 2: to like these Olympians or whatever. They've had an understanding
Speaker 2: that the average people don't. So they want to keep
Speaker 2: it hidden. So I would consider that dark occultism, as
Speaker 2: in they're using it against us.
Speaker 4: So well, yeah, that's I think, you know, keeping it
Speaker 4: hidden is a problem to be do with, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But do they do they think too? I mean
Speaker 2: I don't know, of course, we don't know what they think.
Speaker 2: But do people in the circles of magic think that
Speaker 2: the regular people just couldn't handle it? Anyway? I mean
Speaker 2: because it is a lot can we handle magic, I
Speaker 2: guess is a question. You know, I'm going to do
Speaker 2: a really quest or anything. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I just want to say this has been a discussion
Speaker 6: on Twitter like the Furious for the last few weeks.
Speaker 2: I actually see that is people.
Speaker 6: So Peter Carroll, who obviously wrote Libernel in the Psychoanod
Speaker 6: and many other chaos.
Speaker 2: Books he chas magic works, Excuse me.
Speaker 6: He he basically said that we're going to liberate magic
Speaker 6: for the masses. We're going to give it to them
Speaker 6: and we're going to not let them be slaves to
Speaker 6: the arcons.
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing. That's not his exact words, but it's pretty close.
Speaker 3: Like what's his definition of magic?
Speaker 6: It so it's a lot about sigilization, applying your will
Speaker 6: that sigil and getting yourself there there. So I'd say, yeah,
Speaker 6: those are the three components of good chaos magic.
Speaker 8: All right, Okay, But I just think it's I think
Speaker 8: it's that's I think I know a lot of conspiracy
Speaker 8: insury people will dislike this answer, but I actually think
Speaker 8: that there has been a kind of large scale and
Speaker 8: call an occulting, ad oculting of ocult tax, and I
Speaker 8: like to think.
Speaker 6: In a small, small way, like next much bigger than that,
Speaker 6: and Lisa obviously as well, but I think in a
Speaker 6: small way, I'd like to think that I contributed to
Speaker 6: a little bit of that.
Speaker 3: H No.
Speaker 2: I so yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Well there's a lot of the there's a lot of
Speaker 2: entry levels. I mean, I'd still consider myself there even
Speaker 2: though I've been looking at this for a long time myself,
Speaker 2: but like, there's so much, there's so much more to know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just when does it stop?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 3: You know, it's like a while too.
Speaker 4: If you saw looking at all the cultists and see
Speaker 4: all the inventions they made, You're like, holy fuck, Like
Speaker 4: all of our toys and everything we love today were
Speaker 4: actually created by them originally. It's like even it's like, yo,
Speaker 4: why does it even seem like any like valuable invention?
Speaker 4: I hate to say it came from somebody who fucked
Speaker 4: with dabbled with that stuff. I mean, think tech we
Speaker 4: have today will comes from the computer, the processor. A
Speaker 4: lot of that shit all comes from people are into
Speaker 4: the occult and we fell in love with this shit.
Speaker 5: I think I think the occult to take kind of
Speaker 5: a one look at it. I think the occult and magic.
Speaker 5: Putting it in the hands of the masses is no
Speaker 5: difference then putting AI in the hands of the masses.
Speaker 5: There are some that will utilize it as a tool
Speaker 5: and they'll become brilliant for using it, and then there
Speaker 5: are some that will use it for a bad and
Speaker 5: either will make them dumber or it'll not help the
Speaker 5: situation that we all are. I think I think to
Speaker 5: an extent, you should have to go through a process,
Speaker 5: some sort of I'm going to go with Lake for instance,
Speaker 5: losing weight in you could take a diet pill, you
Speaker 5: could do ozembic, lose a bunch of weight. Fantastic, you
Speaker 5: lost the weight that.
Speaker 7: Was a goal.
Speaker 5: But everybody knows that when you go through the process
Speaker 5: of trying to lose weight, you're going to the gym,
Speaker 5: You're waking up to go to the gym. You're overcoming
Speaker 5: not wanting to go to the gym, You're overcoming the
Speaker 5: frustration of not seeing anything and having to choose between
Speaker 5: this food or that food, choosing that or this that.
Speaker 5: After about a year of that, you are mentally changed.
Speaker 5: It's no longer about losing weight. It's that you have
Speaker 5: psychologically and mentally become stronger and the weight the weight
Speaker 5: loss is a positive side effect. I think that's true
Speaker 5: of knowledge too. You have to go through the processes
Speaker 5: of struggle in order to somehow appreciate what that knowledge
Speaker 5: is on the other side after the challenge. I'm not
Speaker 5: saying that knowledge should be kept from the masses. I'm
Speaker 5: just saying it could be a process of maturation in
Speaker 5: the attempt to gain it.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 2: I guess it's like martial arts or anything you know,
Speaker 2: go through and to get to the the real knowledge. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you really want to take it serious.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I guess when it comes to magic, uh,
Speaker 4: I guess. I mean, I guess it depends on how
Speaker 4: fast you want this to happen. But uh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: like I guess.
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, now the definition of magic for me
Speaker 3: will be uh, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I always have to take it to an extreme.
Speaker 4: I would say again, definition of magic are crossing the
Speaker 4: abyss is working on yourself and having any experience with
Speaker 4: God that I do think involves a death to get
Speaker 4: to that point. I mean, even in that, if you
Speaker 4: want to really think about it, that is the ultimate sacrifice.
Speaker 4: You're gonna give up the flesh and blood. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give up possibly podcasting again. I'll give up you know,
Speaker 4: people that i'm you know that I have relationships with,
Speaker 4: or I have love for, you know, things that I
Speaker 4: have fallen in love with in this world. I'll have
Speaker 4: to give all of that up, possibly not even maybe
Speaker 4: things won't go right and I won't come back. So
Speaker 4: you're giving up like some serious shit to have that
Speaker 4: experience now, And if you know how I look at it,
Speaker 4: if death is a part of that, and from my experience,
Speaker 4: whenever I've crossed the abyss and I have come back
Speaker 4: and opened up my eyes, there isn't like a faith anymore.
Speaker 4: There's a knowing in certain things. It's really hard to explain.
Speaker 4: First you'll probably see visions that will actually like confirm
Speaker 4: it's hard to explain, like almost like flashing things that
Speaker 4: are like you just somehow get something out of it,
Speaker 4: and like even opening up it sounds a lot like
Speaker 4: matrix with neo.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, komfun nouns and I'm not that.
Speaker 4: Drastic, but you know, every time I've ever had a
Speaker 4: magical experience, I can tell you when I've opened up
Speaker 4: my eyes. I've understood suff I didn't understand before. I
Speaker 4: knew stuff that I didn't know before. Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I think you will also be shown truths that you
Speaker 4: may not have been ready for, or when you see
Speaker 4: certain things or you have these things that are not
Speaker 4: faith anymore, and it's a knowing and it's completely opposite
Speaker 4: of what your faith has been your whole life.
Speaker 2: That can be really hard.
Speaker 4: To swallow and could possibly even drive people mad. So well,
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm getting at is that like if
Speaker 4: this was a long drawn out process where maybe people
Speaker 4: are actually told like, yeah, if you want to have
Speaker 4: a magical experience, you're gonna have to probably die for
Speaker 4: a few seconds. And if they were like okay, cool
Speaker 4: with that, Uh, then you might have to actually tell them,
Speaker 4: you know, Like to me, I think you would have
Speaker 4: to be extremely mentally prepare to just unleash magical experiences
Speaker 4: onto everybody. And if they weren't, I do think I
Speaker 4: mean it probably be interesting. I mean I don't know,
Speaker 4: like maybe if I like lived somewhere where I didn't
Speaker 4: have people living around me, it might be pretty interesting
Speaker 4: to watch, because I do think you'll probably get mass
Speaker 4: suicides and mass murder and fucking all sorts of crazy
Speaker 4: shit because people are don't want to even admit what
Speaker 4: the fuck happened, or they thought they lost their mind,
Speaker 4: or they think they're schizophrenic now to like the test
Speaker 4: degree that like, you know some shit, And I do
Speaker 4: actually think you will probably see some sick, crazy shit
Speaker 4: done because people are like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Or you'll got people who are like, wait, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: I could do some fucking nasty shit now because I
Speaker 3: understand certain things that I didn't understand before.
Speaker 4: I do think it will be a shit show, will
Speaker 4: be chaotic, and I think it was shitty at first,
Speaker 4: probably see things we never wanted to see, but I
Speaker 4: think after that it's done and over with. I do
Speaker 4: think the better of people would actually outnumber the others
Speaker 4: and might be okay.
Speaker 2: But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 4: I think if we were able to flip a switch
Speaker 4: and then make everybody have a magical experience, this world
Speaker 4: would be fucking chaos for a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, because I don't think we're ready to deal with it.
Speaker 4: But if it was something that was a prolonged thing,
Speaker 4: kind of like what Lisa was saying, maybe it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: to work yourself.
Speaker 2: Up to it.
Speaker 4: I think that could reap benefits, you know a lot better,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, but it would take longer. But that's
Speaker 4: just my I honestly think this is my opinion too.
Speaker 4: A lot of serial killers were magicians. Neither they're mk
Speaker 4: altered and that's why they acted out because I don't
Speaker 4: think a lot of them are also even told like
Speaker 4: go kill. I think some of them just were like
Speaker 4: acting out because I'm having a magical experience and just
Speaker 4: didn't know how to sit in their skin comfortably because
Speaker 4: they were just out of it for too long, or
Speaker 4: maybe they brought something back.
Speaker 3: Or this is another thing too.
Speaker 4: When you start fucking with magic, you'll start actually opening
Speaker 4: up all the parts of your brain. I do believe
Speaker 4: demons are inside our head. So if you start turning
Speaker 4: on all the parts of your brain that you haven't
Speaker 4: turned on before, you're gonna wake up the good and
Speaker 4: the bad with it. And now you're gonna have a
Speaker 4: demon that you've never even confronted before because you just
Speaker 4: woke the motherfuck up. So you better make sure that
Speaker 4: you're real good in the head before you pull the trigger.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to deal with maybe some shit when
Speaker 4: you open up your eyes, and I don't think most
Speaker 4: people would be able to do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have to just second what next set? It
Speaker 6: is quite profound, really, and also I believe that about
Speaker 6: serial killers because it does actually make sense. They would
Speaker 6: translate horrific things that they saw in a magical experience
Speaker 6: the quote unquote carnal ground, as we would call it.
Speaker 6: They see that, And yes, you do see that, but
Speaker 6: that's as an next set. It's also your own mind.
Speaker 6: So how do you perceive that? How do you take that?
Speaker 6: Do you take it in a sick o way? Or
Speaker 6: do you kind of come back and be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm actually human. The things I saw were crazy, but
Speaker 6: you know, I'm going to reconcile them and myself and
Speaker 6: my mind and sort of come back to like a
Speaker 6: place of like wholeness and oneness or whatever you want
Speaker 6: to call it. And I think that that's I think
Speaker 6: that that's a quintessential core of magic really, and so
Speaker 6: people can take it in whatever way. Like Lisa was saying, like,
Speaker 6: did we go through a kind of threshold in twenty twenty,
Speaker 6: I personally think so, And so I think this is
Speaker 6: why we saw initially, why some people were attracted to
Speaker 6: truth or attracted to Q or attracted to like these things,
Speaker 6: because I think that those were illuminant events. Now how
Speaker 6: much did people take of them? I think the whole
Speaker 6: point was not to get caught up in the narratives,
Speaker 6: or rather to just take it as an illuminant event.
Speaker 6: Like I wasn't even personally aware of Q like at all.
Speaker 6: I had no idea existed. Oh you're lucky, so I
Speaker 6: can just look back at it. And then there are
Speaker 6: people who have looked at it in a more magical way,
Speaker 6: and they kind of are like, Okay, there are like
Speaker 6: there are actually interesting metaphysics in it, whether without judgment,
Speaker 6: you're just you know, just true neutral.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I so, I we'd probably should wrap this up
Speaker 2: pretty soon here. But I I kind of liken it
Speaker 2: to people that take psychedelics that aren't ready to you know,
Speaker 2: when you when you take any hallucinogens and you're not
Speaker 2: ready for that experience. I mean I've I've seen it
Speaker 2: myself when I was younger, you know, like you know, teenagers,
Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, this guy, you know, my friend
Speaker 2: took some MASSID and freaked the fuck out because they're
Speaker 2: not ready for that experience. But I guess if you're
Speaker 2: ready for it, and you're you're a psychonaut or something,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna be able to deep dive and come
Speaker 2: out okay. But we're not all equipped for that, and
Speaker 2: I can't say that I am totally either, you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, one thing I even I've said before
Speaker 4: just from my experiences, uh like if you know, I've
Speaker 4: had these magical experiences and it's just like just even
Speaker 4: for me as a mind fucker, it was just like,
Speaker 4: if that exists, why the fuck am I stuck here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: So like even me dealing with that and even trying
Speaker 4: to wrap up, like wrap my mind around that, I'm
Speaker 4: like just like, okay, so like where did I go wrong?
Speaker 2: Like what went wrong?
Speaker 4: Like that was that was an experience that It's just like,
Speaker 4: if that's real, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: It's just it's hard to wrap.
Speaker 4: Your mind around because it's it's almost like it is
Speaker 4: almost like ultimate freedom and experiencing this pure love.
Speaker 3: So you know, And this is another thing I even
Speaker 3: want to add to.
Speaker 4: Why even you know, giving everybody a magical experience right
Speaker 4: away is really bad is because in my opinion, I
Speaker 4: guess maybe I.
Speaker 3: Can liken it to drugs in a certain sense.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm assuming, you know, I haven't done everything,
Speaker 4: but I'm assuming if you shoot heroin, really the only
Speaker 4: thing that's gonna make you feel like you shot dope
Speaker 4: is shooting dope. Maybe another opioid to something. But you
Speaker 4: know what I'm getting out like that is only going
Speaker 4: to be due to that one thing, magical experience. And
Speaker 4: I'm just being honest. And again I do think like
Speaker 4: death is a part of it. When I have my
Speaker 4: magical experiences besides seeing visuals that are also which only
Speaker 4: happen and it's only it's repetitive. Every time I do it,
Speaker 4: I see the same shit, and there are feelings in
Speaker 4: my body that I will get and I will experience
Speaker 4: before I cross over, and those visuals and those experiences
Speaker 4: physically that I feel the only time I ever have
Speaker 4: that or ever feel that is due to that experience.
Speaker 3: The only time I will feel that.
Speaker 4: Physical experience and feel that, I guess coming out of
Speaker 4: the flesh is due to that. So I guess what
Speaker 4: I'm getting at That's the only time you're going to
Speaker 4: feel it. So if you really really really liked it,
Speaker 4: which I think people will it can almost be addictive,
Speaker 4: and now you're starting to really fuck with something that's
Speaker 4: very dangerous. And I do think people will You'll turn
Speaker 4: into Kanye West or Joe Biden if you abuse it.
Speaker 3: So I think you'll.
Speaker 4: Get people that are very you know, oh my god,
Speaker 4: that was amazing here to experience that again and will
Speaker 4: fuck themselves up physically and mentally. Yeah, because I could
Speaker 4: even say, like, I did it a bunch of times
Speaker 4: in one week, because I just I like, I was
Speaker 4: just like, that was amazing. And that's the only you know,
Speaker 4: I've said on the show. You know, I stopped because
Speaker 4: I could see it becoming addictive and I don't think
Speaker 4: that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, guys us start to wrap this up. It's
Speaker 2: kind of hard to so we kind of went from
Speaker 2: talking about the Olympians to Zoroastrianism and magic and the
Speaker 2: responsibility with it. So I don't know exactly how you
Speaker 2: guys want to wrap this up. But what kind of
Speaker 2: words would you like to say to kind of finalize this?
Speaker 4: Anyone so many I'll do, oh you know what, I'll
Speaker 4: go real quick. I'm sure they'll say something like really profound.
Speaker 4: They're a lot better than me, So I'll just throw
Speaker 4: in something that I would like to try to say
Speaker 4: a lot when I was going on shows recently, because
Speaker 4: I was kind of covering the topic.
Speaker 3: But I do want to say for your listeners.
Speaker 4: Just in case they've never heard the show before and
Speaker 4: haven't heard me say this.
Speaker 3: It's just something I.
Speaker 4: Do want to throw out there, just for people to
Speaker 4: look at things differently. When it comes to a cult symbolism,
Speaker 4: I really do think that a lot of it, especially
Speaker 4: in sigils and especially Italian Renaissance art and Catholic art,
Speaker 4: a lot of that is depicting the inside of the
Speaker 4: eyeball and part of the brain.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: That may sound crazy, but start studying the eyeball and
Speaker 4: what it looks like and this and that, and I
Speaker 4: guarantee you'll start seeing religious shit in there. And again,
Speaker 4: like I was talking about before, you know, and I'm
Speaker 4: considering that, believe it or not, I do consider that
Speaker 4: giving away secrets that aren't supposed to actually be known.
Speaker 4: And another one that I'm going to say right now,
Speaker 4: which I've said on the show, I do believe that
Speaker 4: some of the secrets of secrets of the mysteries and
Speaker 4: a lot of symbolism and parts of stories. It's in there,
Speaker 4: and people will never understand the story completely unless they
Speaker 4: have the experience of dying. So I just want to
Speaker 4: let people know that I do think that is actually
Speaker 4: just like that movie Flatliners. People want to go check
Speaker 4: it out. It's people putting themselves out on purpose so
Speaker 4: they have this experience and when they come back, yeah,
Speaker 4: the same shit coming out of my mouth, they'll know stuff.
Speaker 3: They'll be different. You're not the same anymore.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I do think that is.
Speaker 4: An actual Like again, expressing the feelings that you had
Speaker 4: in the visuals that you've had in sigils and art
Speaker 4: is huge, and I don't you know, that is a
Speaker 4: thing that I don't think people will fully grasp unless
Speaker 4: they've had that experience, or they start entertaining that just
Speaker 4: like Jesus tells you you gotta fucking die, you start
Speaker 4: entertaining that this death and rebirth that everybody talks about,
Speaker 4: the death may have to be literal.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's scary, but it might actually be true. All right, I'm.
Speaker 6: Done, awesome, mic Drop, How can we follow that up here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Exactly, yeah, go go.
Speaker 6: I actually don't have anything more profound than that for sure,
Speaker 6: but I think the I think Nick was on fire tonight.
Speaker 6: I think everything he said was one hundred percent true.
Speaker 6: I think as close to the truth as you can
Speaker 6: really say. It's really fundamentally about these experiences, these kind
Speaker 6: of thurgic surgical climbings of the tree, I guess, And
Speaker 6: so I think that that's fundamentally like the nature of
Speaker 6: our realities, which is also contained in our minds. So
Speaker 6: be careful about what you put in your minds. And
Speaker 6: number one, and be careful what you believe. And it
Speaker 6: doesn't mean that you have to. It's not about paranoia
Speaker 6: or fear, like to bring up something Lisa said, It's
Speaker 6: about sort of overcoming that and realizing that actually there
Speaker 6: are deeper understandings. It's not about good or evil, it's not.
Speaker 6: It's just about what you take of it and what
Speaker 6: you do with it, and you have agency over yourself,
Speaker 6: like Nick was saying, like people in the ocall community,
Speaker 6: I think he's seizing me because I've lately been setting him. Oh,
Speaker 6: a mercury is in combustion and all this stuff that
Speaker 6: I never used to. For two years, I never would
Speaker 6: say anything about astrology, and then I started to a
Speaker 6: few weeks ago. So that's okay, Nick. I accept that
Speaker 6: because I always say, like astrology is just a it's
Speaker 6: just a sign post or a guide post. It's not
Speaker 6: it doesn't really matter if it's real or not real.
Speaker 6: It's like how you take it. Do you want to
Speaker 6: be Like the planets can be considered arcons, so you know,
Speaker 6: like do you want to be ruled by the archons
Speaker 6: or do you want to be ruled by yourself?
Speaker 2: See again, that's basically what I think even when.
Speaker 3: It comes to astrology. And sorry it's robens, we're closing down.
Speaker 3: But like again, if you look at the symbols and
Speaker 3: you think of the stories that you get from the.
Speaker 4: Zodiac, I do think that all applies to ether. You
Speaker 4: know what's going on in a person when they have
Speaker 4: a magical experience. It's almost like you're breaking devices. And
Speaker 4: I don't want to get into it too much, but
Speaker 4: again I do think those stories in that sense, it
Speaker 4: is telling you that. But again, like I agree with
Speaker 4: you too what you were saying.
Speaker 6: You have to know the stories. I think that's really
Speaker 6: important too. Is like Nick was even referencing, so you
Speaker 6: wouldn't know it exactly. It's like the both of those
Speaker 6: things together. It's it's understanding, wisdom and understanding. That's exactly
Speaker 6: what it is. If you want to look at think
Speaker 6: of in a cabalistic way, it's wisdom and understanding together.
Speaker 6: So exactly what Nick said, Yeah, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 6: It's the You have to know the text and you
Speaker 6: have to have the experience, and when you put those
Speaker 6: things together, then you get your knowledge.
Speaker 9: Awesome, Okay, and now that leaves me and both of
Speaker 9: those were hard to follow, but I will say this,
Speaker 9: I know that, and I apologize to the listeners and
Speaker 9: to you that you know, it did seem like we're.
Speaker 7: All over the place.
Speaker 5: We started with three hundred, I mean with Olympians and
Speaker 5: three hundred and then kind of ended on this, you know,
Speaker 5: magical experience in physiology. However, and in part part of
Speaker 5: the episodes that we cover are like that. And if
Speaker 5: we suspend our belief in terms of having things organized,
Speaker 5: what we I believe are doing, especially we did on
Speaker 5: this episode is we're placing pieces of the puzzle in
Speaker 5: the right side to be later moved over and locks together.
Speaker 5: Right now, they look like puzzle pieces just scattered on
Speaker 5: the table.
Speaker 7: That's what they look like. Right now.
Speaker 5: But if you continue to listen, and you continue to learn,
Speaker 5: and you continue to seek, you'll finally start to put
Speaker 5: pieces together. And that's really what I think the truth
Speaker 5: or community, the conspiracy community is trying to ultimately hopefully accomplish.
Speaker 5: And that's what I think this episode really highlighted on,
Speaker 5: is that we brought in a couple pieces of knowledge
Speaker 5: and hopefully someone somewhere will be like, oh, that puzzle
Speaker 5: piece fits here.
Speaker 7: So that's what I'd like to land on and thank
Speaker 7: you for having us.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks for coming in guys. That's this is
Speaker 2: exactly what I wanted to do. I wanted to start
Speaker 2: out with that, but I knew it wouldn't stay there.
Speaker 2: I wanted to start out with the Olympians, but I
Speaker 2: knew it wouldn't stay there. I like, how can we
Speaker 2: stay there when we start talking about magic and going there?
Speaker 2: So this is exactly where I wanted to go, except
Speaker 2: I didn't know where it was going to go. So
Speaker 2: thank you guys for coming on. You joined an awesome show.
Speaker 2: Awesome great work you guys. You occult rejects. Is how
Speaker 2: many of you are are there? I've kind of that's
Speaker 2: something I don't.
Speaker 4: Know right now, and it's staying this way in case
Speaker 4: anybody happens to hear this no more, We're not taking
Speaker 4: any more applications. We've gone through our growing pains, and
Speaker 4: I'm quite happy where we are right now.
Speaker 3: There is a total of twelve of us.
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, so, and I kind of wanted to keep
Speaker 4: it that way from it just sounds good, and it
Speaker 4: is nine men and three women, so you know, we
Speaker 4: got to keep the ninety three going. So so but yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was a bunch of us. Not everybody is you know.
Speaker 4: Uh again, everybody has their own forte. Everybody's a little
Speaker 4: bit different, and everybody comes on with the same shows.
Speaker 4: But I even wanted to like that, you know. But uh,
Speaker 4: I think everybody that I have on the show is
Speaker 4: the best at what they're doing. And I'm very lucky
Speaker 4: to uh right now as it stands, I'm very lucky,
Speaker 4: i'd say, to be working with the people I'm working
Speaker 4: with now. You know, I have zero anxiety of a
Speaker 4: podcasting and I have a really good time and I
Speaker 4: learn a lot with the people I'm using now, So
Speaker 4: that's a blessing, you know, And and I do believe
Speaker 4: that that is some of the benefits of magic. You know, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, that's like just one thing. I know we
Speaker 4: already like wrapped it up, but like one thing I
Speaker 4: do want. I just want to leave with people. You know,
Speaker 4: with magic, especially magic with the k it could be
Speaker 4: the most beautiful experience that somebody can have with themselves
Speaker 4: in God that will change them so much that I mean,
Speaker 4: this is I do think is when you really have
Speaker 4: to not worrying about the judgment of character. You know,
Speaker 4: after you have that experience, you can either be a
Speaker 4: very manipulative person or you can share your story and
Speaker 4: help you know, I'm no different, no special, I am
Speaker 4: not special. If I can have a magical experience, anybody
Speaker 4: can magic. If you have a magical experience, it's going
Speaker 4: to be the most beautiful thing you've ever had. In
Speaker 4: my opinion, after you've had that, you need to share
Speaker 4: that with everybody else and let them know how they
Speaker 4: can have their own. And I do think magic in
Speaker 4: that sense would change the world for better. And it's
Speaker 4: not bad. Magic is not always bad. I think all
Speaker 4: three of us here and the rest of the show
Speaker 4: would say magic is having a spiritual experience with God
Speaker 4: and having some understanding, you know, and and being blessed
Speaker 4: with that experience. You know, that can change the world.
Speaker 4: It's not all bad, but that's what I'm getting at.
Speaker 4: You know, magic is not all bad. So you know,
Speaker 4: don't don't worry if you're gonna put on the Aicle
Speaker 4: Rejects or not. You know, Satanists, you know, we're not
Speaker 4: promoting bad stuff. There is actually benefits, I think to
Speaker 4: having a magical experience.
Speaker 2: Everybody should have a magical experience because when I got
Speaker 2: graduated high school years ago and I saw what people
Speaker 2: were doing every day, I was like, there's got to
Speaker 2: be more to the world than just going to work
Speaker 2: every fucking day. You know, this is not it. This
Speaker 2: can't be it, and it's not so we but you
Speaker 2: have to experience magic too, and synchronicity and well psychedelics
Speaker 2: helped me, but you know, all that just to really
Speaker 2: see what this world's really made out of, not just
Speaker 2: what's been put for us to do. So thank you
Speaker 2: guys for coming on, and we'll do it again sometime
Speaker 2: and check out the Occult Rejects. Everyone that they got
Speaker 2: a ton of shows, probably all podcast players. You guys
Speaker 2: have a website. I didn't plug that we do.
Speaker 5: We have one this called Occult Research Institute dot org
Speaker 5: where some of the regions contributed into like a literary
Speaker 5: format of content. So if you'd like to consume your
Speaker 5: content like that checks out a culte research into too.
Speaker 7: John Wick.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Jen Lisa Nick, thanks for coming on
Speaker 2: the show and we'll be in touch and thanks for everything.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, mess appreciate it.
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