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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. No, here is your host TJ Leaves. Well,

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we get ready for the first weekend of April and

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a whole bunch of fights all over the glow actually

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coming up for this weekend to preview from Australia to

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Las Vegas, Kazakhstan, anyone, Manchester, England. Hello, we will have

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it all with a bunch of different fight are King?

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I could be it would be normally Houston, Hello, but

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for TJ, it's San Antonio.

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Speaker 2: Hello. But do you think are our listeners underlake or

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do you have a clue who you're No chance?

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Speaker 1: No chance on Larry King with all of the kids, Keepsie,

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New York. Hello, Uh, good to be with you on

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the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast. Yes, I am mostly

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packed and headed to San Antonio, Texas for the basketball

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men's Final four. Someone's Duke Blue Devil's Rayphael's Dukes in

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the final four against Husha. You want to confirm for

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the record you did not go to Duke. You've explained

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before why you have allegiance to Duke. They have not

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won a national title? Have they won a national title

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since your son Jesse was born that he may have

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been won. Yeah, twenty fifteen, correct, chance to get another

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one here for Duke of course, Florida, Auburn and my

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part of the world. The Gators are going crazy. Florida,

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Auburn and Houston are the other teams a knowledge?

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, I am not I don't have

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to rehash the story, but I am not a Dandwagon

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Duke fan. I've been a Duke fan since like the

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I understand nineteen eighty six or eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going way back, all right. So in any event,

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this year is a boxing podcast. We got a lot

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to preview. We got Giron boots and is on the

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podcast coming up as well with Dan in advance of

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his unified Walter wait a showdown with a Montestaniona stand

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by for that a little bit later on. And we're

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about to be on the latest anniversary of Sugar Ray

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Leonard and Marvin Hagler with a twist when Rayfield and

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I discuss it coming up later on in the pod.

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As always, thank you for finding us. We preview going

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into the weekend, We recap coming off the weekend twice,

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the Rayfield twice. The fun is we like to say,

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make sure you rate us in review us if you

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enjoy what's going on here on the reviews. We did

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have did some reviews I did. I did peruse the

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reviews at the end of March, and we had a

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couple We could use a couple more. I love the

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split back and forth where people love me as the

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host with you, and then other people hate me because

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I interrupt you and I talk too much. So I'm

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doing my job, I guess, because I'm fifty to fifty

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down the middle.

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Speaker 2: The one you got to worry about is me.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You have much love for me because

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I'm going to get you Duke paraphernalia if they win

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the national title rites and understood premise. All right, so

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thank you for finding us. Let's get into it, Rayfield,

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where do you want to begin? We got fight cards

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everywhere besides Peoria El Hello, how about Newcastle, Australia. Tim Zuo,

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who you just recently talked to on this year podcast feed,

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is back in the ring fighting American Joey Spencer. This

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is Sunday afternoon in Australia's Saturday night US time on

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the PBC on Prime Card. Again. They can go back

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and hear Tim and his own words on the previous pod.

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We put it up as a standalone. All right, he's back,

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he's in the ring. Let's get in the preview mode.

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I guess I come at it like this question marks

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about Zoo off the knockout question marks as a whole

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about Joey Spencer. So what are your thoughts this is?

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but you know, if Tim Zoo wants to continue as

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a top dog, as a a side, as a star fighter,

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as a guy that can be considered in world championship

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level events, you gotta win this fight because A he's

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coming off two losses in a row, and B he's

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fighting a guy that is not on his level. In

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my opinion, no offense to Joey Spencer. So forgivable loss

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against Sebastian Frondora late replacement fight. You know, Sebastian moved

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up from the undercard a totally different style to adjust

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the size and shape of the opponent. And then of

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course they had the horrendous gash in his scalp. That

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was massive bloodshed for the entire fight. So he still

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made it a competitive fight. He lost only a split decision.

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felt like he was on the verge of stopping Fondora

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before the cut happened. So you put that aside. It's

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a forgivable kind of loss. What are you going to

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do when he showed a warrior spirit. All that comes

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back in October against Burke Baker Martazalev's challenging him for

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the IBF title at one hundred and fifty four pounds

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and gets fucking annihilated yep, in a very big shocking situation. Now,

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Baker Matazel is a good fighter. He had gone over,

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you know, he'd gone to his opponent's home turf in

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Germany and cole K Jack col Kay's homery knocked him

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out won the belt that was vacant, has a good

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amateur background, has a good record, He's undefeated. He was

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twenty two and oh going into the fight, has good power,

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look strong. I saw that a cal K fight. He

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had been fighting on some PBC undercards. He had fought

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on one of Tim's under cards. As a matter of fact,

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he had met each other. You know, It's not like

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he was unfamiliar with him and he just got his

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revent kicked over the place. I mean it was I

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was there.

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Speaker 1: There was shocking. It was shocking.

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Speaker 2: So he gets dropped three times in round in round

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two and gets knocked down again in the third round.

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silver lining is you showed the warrior heart. You got

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up all the times he was getting up when he's

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you know, suffered the last knockdown, and then the referee

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obviously stopped to fight. Not like it was a bad

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stoppage or anything, but you know, he wanted to continue.

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He got clipped and as he said to me in

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the podcast, which folks can listen do, we just got caught.

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he said, he admitted that he might have overlood him

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a little bit. He said, I thought it was going

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to knock him out and you know the first time

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I touched him, knock him out one side of two

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rounds and said he was the one that got knocked

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out inside three rounds. That was a horrendous loss. Not

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because he lost the fight, the way that he lost

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was horrendous. The mentality that he took into the fight

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was horrendous. If you want to be a top boxing

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world chamber, you cannot go in the fight against anybody,

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but especially somebody that's undefeated, that's got good power, that

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you're that has a title and anyway overlooked that person,

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knowing what's at stake and what you have in front

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of you. So that was, hopefully for his sake, a

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learning lesson. Now, I did pose the point to him

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in our interview, which again folks can listen to and

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maybe this may me a positive motivation for him. His

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father the great Causes. It was a Hall of Famer,

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Hall of Fame, first ballot Hall of Famer, former undisputed

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junior welterweight world champ. He had held the IBF title

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at one hundred and forty pounds and was a you know,

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a guy on the big time rise. He was connected

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to a possible fight with Oscar de la Hoya and

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all that he was fighting on HBO and he got

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his clock cleaned by Vince Phillips and a giant upset

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and lost that title. However, he rebounded from that and

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went on to score his biggest wins of his career,

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become the undisputed champion and become a Hall of Famer.

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So if Tim Zoo can take anything from what happened

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against Parta's layoff, maybe he can get it together and

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do what his dad did, which is shake off the

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losses that he took in the last two fights and

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go on to have you know, that type of career.

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thirty years old. He should have, you know, several more

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years left in front him if he just chooses to

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do so. And so now it's all about can I

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get rid of Spencer? Set up the We've discussed the

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bigger business down the road. The Keith Thurman is through

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his comeback fight scored a win by knockout in Australia.

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That's the plan for PBC that they would fight each

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other later this year. If Tim comes out successful, no injuries,

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that is a tremendous battle just onto itself would be

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rescheduling what occurred in last year when Thurman got injured

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and Fandora stepped in. And then obviously if he wins,

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you know, that opens up the door for other things,

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whether it's a rematch against Fondora or other you know,

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good quality opponents at one fifty four. But Spencer, look,

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he's got nothing to lose here. He's the guy that

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no one gives a chance to. He's the guy that was,

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in my opinion, badly exposed when he got knocked out

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by Jesus Ramos. He got a ton of hype by PBC.

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They kept calling him prospect of the Year for PBC.

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It felt like about ten years in a row. It

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was probably only like two years in a row, right,

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I'm not knocking the kid. I'm sure he trains hard

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and wants to be a top fighter, but I just

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never saw it. I mean, they gave him every opportunity

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in the world. They put him on a million of

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their primetime shows and plumb slots. He didn't deserve it.

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He never really impressed. He did suffer the loss. To

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his credit, he's bounced back. He's won three fights in

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a row since that knockout loss against Jesus Ramos, and

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he's playing with house money here. He's gonna go on

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the road, He's gonna go to a show. He even

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puts up a good fight and has a moment. It's

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gonna be good for his career if he wins.

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Speaker 1: I let's be honest, you expect it. It's expected that

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Zoo is gonna beat him, and beat him easily. Let's

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Speaker 2: That's when it comes to by the way, about it

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is they've been bitching and moaning about the judging that

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that Spencer because the the Australian regulators did not deem

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this like a top level fight. I think that's probably

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because of Spencer as the opponent. They didn't have to

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have a a mix of judges, so they had as

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signed I believe two Australian judges and the Spencer team

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kind of flipped out about that and threatened to walk

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and this and that. They finally got that situated, so

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Australian judges. And so therefore the fight is is gonna

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happen if there's a big I got you.

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Speaker 1: If there's a big time Uh well, look, if there's

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a name fighter that's fighting in the United States that

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is not fighting in a world title type situation, you

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would suspect even if the fight, if the fighter he's

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fighting is from somewhere else, it would be three American

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judges more than likely, maybe one would be different. That's

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not uncommon. It's not even if it's not any of that,

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you're going to Australia.

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Speaker 2: Where's your thing about it? TJ. That's the kind of

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shit that has to get situated before you even sign

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the contract. That's right, that's something that's on your mind.

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So you're a thousand percent right. Not a title fight

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of any kind for any organization, regional or otherwise. It's

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just a regular fight. It's like you said, if you

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went to Vegas and you're an American, you're finding a

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guy from Canada or Mexico or Japan, whatever the commission

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assigned judges. You're gonna wind up with a probably you know.

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Speaker 1: Two Americans and maybe one more or three Americans.

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Speaker 2: You probably wind up with three Americans. They'll have the

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regular Las Vegas panel. Maybe they bring in like the

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New Jersey or California or something like that. They bring

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in a white felt, they bring in a trailer wherever.

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you know, the Spencer people should have just figured that out.

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Speaker 1: But and again we clarify Saturday night it is not

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a pay per view. If you're on Amazon Prime, you

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get the fight PBC on Prime. Sorry night, now, full disclosure,

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I'm tied up with the basketball Final Four. You're also

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going to be watching Duke unless you're gonna time displays

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in the college basketball going on. But again this is

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Australian fights, but there will be multiple fights on the

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on the on the stream on Prime. But the stream

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will start at ten o'clock Eastern time. When they originally

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announced it, it was nine o'clock Eastern time, but for

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whatever the reasons are, they shifted that by one hour.

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Speaker 1: So I'll keep them on I'll tell you what. One

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big reason is college basketball Final Four and someone's Duke

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Blue Devils, which they didn't know at the time, but

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they are in the game going on at the same time,

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so stay tuned. It's not the only reason, but that's

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another reason. Put it on after it's in Australia Sunday afternoon.

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All right, shall we move on because we have a

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bevy of fights before we get to Boots in US,

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Let's move to Las Vegas. Speaking of Las Vegas and

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Richard Torres, the up and coming United States heavyweight undefeated

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on the rise, will fight Guido Vianello in the ESPN

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Top one main event of ESPNN Plus. We should qualify

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ESPN Plus for Saturday night. So give me a little

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more because we have begun to pick up the interest

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in Richard Torres. He's taken another step here against a

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big Italian former Olympian, So pick it up from there

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on that fight in this car, I.

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Speaker 2: Really like this fight. I mean it may not be

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a world title fight, it may not be hugely hyped.

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I mean it's not got a tremendous amount of attention,

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but if you like heavyweights, this is going to be

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a fun fight. I have no doubt in my mind

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about this now. The level of slaber knockishness that we'll see,

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I think I just made up a word.

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Speaker 1: DoD dam DoD king words slaber knocker ish. Okay, keep going.

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Speaker 2: That remains to be seen, but I have very little

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doubt that this is going to be a fun fight

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for as long as it goes. Look, we've seen Richard

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Torres develop from his professional debut. He's twelve and zero

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eleven knockouts. He won the silver medal in the Olympic

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Games in the delayed twenty twenty Games it took place

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in twenty twenty one. He's a puncher, he has no

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problem mixing it up. He's been blowing guys out and

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he has been gradually, ever so slightly. They've been very

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careful with him, and I understand that because matchmaking is

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a fine art. Top rank has, in my opinion, the

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best matchmaker in the game. And that said, with no

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offense to any other matchmaker, but when you deal with

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Bruce Trampler and Brad Goodman, those guys know their shit

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better than anybody in my opinion, so they have done

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a great job bringing Richard Torres along they're matching them

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with the right guys. He's knocking guys out, even guys

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that they thought would get rounds in, which is their

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aim early in a young fighters curse to get them rounds.

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He's been knocking most of them out and doing so

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generally early. He did go into the eighth round against

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Curtis Harper, for example, before he stopped him. But he's

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been a dominating fighter. The only time he didn't get

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a knockout, which was kind of he got robbed of

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the knockout was when they called a d Q against

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Joey Deweco a couple of fights ago because Diweco kept

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spitting out his mouthpiece and not doing that because and

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partly he was getting it punched out of his face.

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Speaker 1: Exactly so, and.

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Speaker 2: By all rights, Joe Torres should be not only undfeed,

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but you'd have a perfect knockout record. But nonetheless, this

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is a definite step up, you know, from the Deuecos

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and Brandon Moore, who was undefeated, guys like that, even

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a Curtis Harper, who has got a bad record but

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is a very tough journeyman type of opponent. So Vannello

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he matches him for the amateur accolades, even though he

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didn't win a medal, but he had that big amateur career.

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And you know, Guido's got some hard luck losses on

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his record. He lost a very close split decision to

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Faa Jagua, who's now, you know, fighting in a fight

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over in Saudi Arabia against Martin mccoley coming up. He

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has won one fight since then. The previous time he

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had the loss was to Jonathan Rice. That was a

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very unfortunate situation. He was winning that fight easily and

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he suffered a cut and the referee stopped the fight

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in the seventh round. So yeah, it goes down as

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a knockout loss. But you know, it wasn't like he

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was being dominated. He didn't get knocked out out. So

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his record is a little deceiving in my opinion. But

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he's a big, tall guy. You know, he goes six

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foot six. He's going to be taller than Richard Torres,

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who is not nearly as big. It's like four it's difference.

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He's six foot two. It's a fascinating kind of fight

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and I think it's gonna be very exciting. Now southpaw style.

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We'll see how Guido deals with that because Richard is

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a lefty. But I think these guys are gonna go

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for it. And look, if you're top rank, I think

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wants Richard Torres to win the fight. He's the prospect

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more so than Guido at this stage of the game,

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because Guido's thirty years old already and Richard's still a

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young guy. But whatever, this is gonna be a fun fight,

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I think, and may the best man win, but a

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good heavyweight fight you can't go.

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Speaker 1: And Vanello lives in Vegas, which you alluded to as well,

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and trains in Vegas. Now, so let's see, let's and

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again and again a step up for toys and what

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about the undercard? Real Quick on the top rank ESPN

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Speaker 2: So that's that's the main event. The undercard again is

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not again not star studded, but the co feature is

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actually a I find it to be an intriguing fight.

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You have the undefeated Mexican olympian who's a good brawler

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but also can box a little bit, and that's Lindulfo Delgado,

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who's been in a bunch of good fights since he's

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been a professional. He's been sort of climbing up the rankings,

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and he's taken on Elvis Rodriguez, who is a guy

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that's got a ton of hype, which I personally have

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never really seen and I've kind of been critical. But

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he's trained by my boy Freddie Roach, who sees a

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lot in him, and you know, he had a good

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amateur background. Also, he's just got the one loss that

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was a very close decision, a majority against Kenneth Sims,

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who has established himself as a quality contender in the

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one hundred and forty pound way class. So this is

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sort of like Top Ranks version of and they do

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this from time to time, and it is kind of

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similar to what's going on in the main event. It's like,

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we've spent a lot of time, we spent a lot

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of money, we spent a lot of resources building these

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guys up. Although Elvis Rodriguez left Top rank for a

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little bit, was with PBC, and then when that was

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over he came back to top rank, they resigned him.

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But the point here is that these are two guys

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that have been with the company, who've been developed by

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the company, and it's sort of like, okay, guys, time

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the shit or get off the pot, and the winner

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of the fight will take a very big step forward,

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and the loser, not like their careers over obviously, but

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is going to take a definite step backwards.

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Speaker 1: There's some stakes here. There are some stakes.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like an official eliminator or anything like that,

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but in one sense, it's an eliminator perhaps in terms

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of if you're going to keep your contract with top

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rank number one and number two. If you win, you're

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going to be in position for good fights because top

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ranks got guys in the one hundred and forty town

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Way class also, and it's a talent rich division and

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you know, we'll see so's it's kind of interesting. And

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then the other undercard fight that is, at least in

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my opinion, that is interesting. It's not so much that

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the reason is not so much the opponent. It's that

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Abdulla Mason is back in action and we all know

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that he's one of the best prospects in boxing. He's

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a lightweight seventeen to zero with fifteen knockouts. You know,

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he's coming off you know, a whole bunch of knockouts

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in a row and had a very exciting fight in

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the one where he did get knocked down a couple

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of times two fights ago, but he survived, and he

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came back and destroyed his opponent. Came back after that

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in February, destroyed Manual Hims and now he's back in action.

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So they're building him up. You know, he's, if he

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continues his pathway clearly going to be if youture world

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title challengers. So those are the main three fights, but

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I'm really interested in the heavyweight main event.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's continue again. Boots Ennis coming up here

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on the pod with Dan. But wait, there's more. All right,

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So we've been in Australia, we've been in Las Vegas

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previewing the action. Now let's go to Kazakhstan, shall we?

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And janebec Alum Knulei will defend his his two middleweight titles.

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All right, I'm gonna try the name again.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't even know how to say this.

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Speaker 1: Annuel is it in Gama Singue? We'll missing way. We'll

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try that Annuel and got missing way something like that.

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What do we know about this opponent? Is he any

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thread at all against janebec at one sixty in this

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title defense in Kazakhstan Saturday.

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Speaker 2: He's fourteen and oh with nine knockouts. He is born

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in Congo. He is based in France, right just you

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know where he's from. I guess you know where he's lived,

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you know, growing up. And I looked over his record

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when they announced the match in the first and I

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wrote a little bit about janebec having this fight, which,

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by the way, Janebek, as you know, is with Top Rank.

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He has never fought a professional fight in his home country,

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or at least not since the very you know. I

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take that back. He's had his first two professional fights

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in his home country. This will be his homecoming as

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a world champion. He hasn't fought there again since his

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first two pro fights in twenty sixteen, in twenty seventeen,

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so that was something he wanted to do. So there

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was a promotion company that came to Top Rank and

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was going to do an event there and they were

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to work out a deal to have Janebec go and

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have the fight in the main event and have a

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homecoming fight. So Top Ranks involved in that sense, and

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therefore will also be on ESPN Plus from Kazakhstan, as

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you mentioned. So in terms of the opponent, though not

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a lot to look at on the record, I was

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saying when I first wrote about this fight, when it

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was made, I was looking at the record, and I mean,

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I've heard of a couple of guys, but nobody that

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stands out is like, Okay, that's a top solid contender.

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So to me, like he's completely a blank slate as

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far as I can tell. I mean, there's not a

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lot on the record. He's fought, you know, guys like

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eight and forty with five draws, but he's also fought

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you know, a guy like Fedor Kazarian who's like twenty

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two and oh, so you know, but his last fight

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was against a guy twelve thirty two and two, so

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go figure, and he stopped that guy in the third

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round of only a scheduled six runner. This will be

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his first twelve rounder for what it's worth. And Jannebec

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obviously is now a season professional world champion, he's a

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unified title holder, he was an Olympian just on the surface,

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and it's his homecoming for all those reasons. Obviously he's

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going to be the heavy favorite. How the opponent operates, though,

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I have no idea, and I'd be bullshitting you if

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I said I did it right right, So, but janebec

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goes home. You know, he's coming off the domination of

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Mikalovich that he did in Australia that was back in October,

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so he's not coming off of a long layoff. If

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you if you follow Janebek on social media, like every

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thirty seconds, he's like, who's gonna fight me?

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Speaker 3: I want to?

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to. I want all the belts,

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blah blah blah. Whoever's running his Twitter account. In any event,

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you know it's the homecoming. He is a unified middleweight champion.

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I think at this point, if you take a look

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at the division, which we've discussed many times as being

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pretty quote unquote berefed of top names, he's probably.

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Speaker 1: Love squeezing the word score in with Beraft about the

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middleweight division. I love it. I love devoid too. It's bereft.

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It's devoid of names.

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Speaker 2: So the biggest names you got the Okay so Jenabex,

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the WBO and the IBF title holder Arislandi Laura, who's

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been holding the WBA title hostage for the last few years,

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who has fought absolutely the worst opposition you could fight

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at middleweight, don't I don't view Danny Garcia who was

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his last one as a bad fighter, but he was

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way out of his weight class, so that was ridiculous.

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So and then you have Carlos Adamis, who was the

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00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:50,480
WBC champion. He just had to draw against Shiraz the

471
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:54,720
fight he's probably deserved to win. Sharraz disappointed in that fight.

472
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:56,319
He was the guy that was making a lot of noise.

473
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,880
He's now apparently gonna move up to super middleweight, so

474
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:01,519
you know, and l O is long gone from middleweight,

475
00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:04,680
Triple G is retired. I mean, it's just it's woeful

476
00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:08,839
right now in terms of big names. So by process

477
00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:10,759
of elimination, and Jannibeck is the number one.

478
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: Guy right now, and we should clarify because I did

479
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,839
look it up. Kazakhstown is nine hours ahead of Eastern time,

480
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,200
so I'm just doing the math on Saturday. This is

481
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,920
going to be middle of the afternoon Saturday, if they're

482
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fighting in a normal time, right early afternoon US time.

483
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have the time off the top of

484
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my head in there, but yeah, it's it's not going

485
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,440
to conflict with the evening show that of course doing so.

486
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: And then also on the undercard is jalaalof the big

487
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,839
heavyweight as well, and you're intrigued to see him while

488
00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:36,359
we're in the preview mormenting while we're here, right.

489
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sock back there. Baker Deer Javalov was

490
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:43,000
the two time super heavyweight gold medalist when he won

491
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,680
the gold medal in the most recent Olympic in the

492
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,119
twenty twenty. In the twenty twenty one Olympics that were

493
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:52,000
supposed to be in twenty twenty, he defeated Richard Torres

494
00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:55,559
in the final and actually defeated Richard Torres twice in

495
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,400
the amateurs, once by massive knockout, and then in the

496
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,079
gold medal match he he won a decision that was

497
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,559
much more competitive. Uh. And then he went back to

498
00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:05,359
the Olympics and won the second gold medal in a

499
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,759
row in Paris. And so he hasn't had a professional

500
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,000
fight in a little bit. He was supposed to fight

501
00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:11,920
on a card a few months ago. He had some

502
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,559
kind of illness or something and ended up canceling that fight.

503
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,720
So this is his return to professional boxing. He is

504
00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:20,839
fourteen and zero with fourteen knockouts. Big massive south puff

505
00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:24,000
from Uzbekistan, not fighting a big name that I could

506
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,720
even pronounce. The name of so let's just call it another.

507
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,759
Speaker 1: Try ehoor Chevan duskef Sky. I think that's it, and

508
00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:35,960
I have no idea. I mean, there's more consonants there.

509
00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:38,359
There's there a white can deal with on wheel of fortune.

510
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,559
Speaker 2: Brother very well said, here's what we'll call him when

511
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,279
this is over with another jalla lov knockout.

512
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: And Jallalaalov is an enormous human being, like good luck

513
00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:52,319
ihor fighting a grizzly bear. He's not seven ft seven.

514
00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, like that six foot I got

515
00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:00,480
basketball in my mind. Teach six foot seven out pot

516
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,960
with tremendous punching power and all the amateur experience you

517
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:06,920
could want. I mean he he could compete probably right

518
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,880
now with any heavyweight.

519
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,279
Speaker 1: In that season or monstrously sized. Not yao ming, but

520
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:13,039
he's monstrously sized, look out.

521
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: But thing.

522
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: So that's that's earlier in the day on ESPN Plus.

523
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,640
But wait, there's more. Now you said slobber knocker ish

524
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,039
earlier on the Torres heavyweight main event. Now we got

525
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,119
Joe Joyce and Philip Hergovich for our fans in Britain

526
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,240
and in Europe, they're intrigued by this Saturday afternoon US

527
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,000
time and Saturday night in Manchester, England on the Zone

528
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,240
as Frank Warren has begun his new relationship by the way,

529
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,400
with Queensberry Promotions and to Zone. I have one fundamental question.

530
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,200
I put it right to you, mighty one. I don't

531
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,640
know that Joe Joyce has anything left. We're about to

532
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,039
find out. Go ahead, No, this is uh.

533
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: Well, like you mentioned, it's the Frank's recent shows have

534
00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,359
been on the Zonne, but this is officially the first

535
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,400
one as part of the exclusive contract where all of

536
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,920
their Queensberry events will be on his own for the

537
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,039
next few years. So that's a big deal for Queensberry

538
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720
and it's another addition to the stable for his owne

539
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,480
because now they have on contracts with Matt Room, Golden

540
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:16,359
Boy and now Frank Warren, and they've also been doing

541
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,000
business with some smaller promoters Dimitri Salita's company, et cetera.

542
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:22,400
But in terms of this main event, remember was supposed

543
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,359
to be Joe Joyce against Dylan White, which were two

544
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:28,079
sort of long in the tooth type heavyweights, but both

545
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,400
still with aspirations, both who have made a series of

546
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,119
good fights through their careers, and so there's some intrigued there.

547
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,640
You know, two Brits that were you know, kind of

548
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,759
have never fought each other, so there was definitely the

549
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,720
idea that this would be a fun fight. Dylan White

550
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,160
got to pull out with some type of I guess

551
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,119
a hand injury. That was a couple of weeks ago.

552
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,160
And Philip Herkovich, who has not fought since he got

553
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,119
stop on cuts against Daniel Dubat and what was a

554
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,160
tremendous battle in Saudi Arabia that was back in June.

555
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:58,079
That was for the interim IBF heavyweight title. He was

556
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:00,839
ready to return. They were looking for a fight for

557
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,920
him and he agreed to take this fight on I

558
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,279
guess it was about what two two weeks notice three

559
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:09,400
weeks notice something like that, maybe two weeks. Anyway, it's

560
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,640
a great safe because in my mind it's more meaningful

561
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,880
because no offense to White, but but Hergovich still has

562
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,279
more of a chance to do something at the at

563
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,759
the championship level. So even though he takes the fight

564
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,000
on kind of short notice, relatively speaking, I still look

565
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,079
at him if he's got anything. It's not so much

566
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:31,200
physical to me, it's about his mental state of mind

567
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,400
in terms of the way Hurgovich. He's an emotional kind

568
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,759
of guy when it comes to his career. If he

569
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,920
can keep himself under control, I think that he should

570
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,599
beat Joe Joyce.

571
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: But we should we should touch on this. It's been

572
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,640
what about three years ago that his father passed away,

573
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,920
Herkovic's father, who was his trainer forever, and he was

574
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,599
out of the ring for like over six months because

575
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,680
of that, and you you really wonder is he ever

576
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,599
going to be the same fighter here. We're gonna we're

577
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:02,640
gonna find out he can get back in the picture

578
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,319
a win here and maybe one more winning. He's looking

579
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,160
at a title shot. I'm saying that, Yeah, I know

580
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,160
he's intrigue.

581
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: He's definitely in the picture. A couple of things. These

582
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,480
are both very very experienced fighters. They've faced some good

583
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,039
opposition as professionals. You know, like I said, he already

584
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,279
thought he fought uh he lost obviously to Duboi. He

585
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,680
also fought against Zilli Jang, who has two wins by

586
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:29,440
knockout against Joe Joyce. They've mixed with good company. Joe

587
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:31,559
Joyce has fought some good opponents as well. He has

588
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:33,720
a win over Dubois. So there's a lot of stuff

589
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,880
terms of like looking at who they face and the

590
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,160
level of opponents. But here's the other thing. A I

591
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:43,920
said it out the Richard Torrez fight against against Guido Vannelle,

592
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,319
I called it possible slobberknockers. I have very little doubt

593
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:50,640
that this is going to be just whoever. You know,

594
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,319
someone's probably gonna be laying on the deck when this

595
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:53,880
one's over with.

596
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: As I like to say, there is no mystery here

597
00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:59,720
on what we're getting. And Uh again, I don't know

598
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,480
what Joyce has left after what Jasro was doing to him,

599
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,720
hammering him and Rudge and Jang knocked him out twice,

600
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:06,559
so I don't know what's.

601
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,599
Speaker 2: Go Dubois had a really gave gave, gave Hergebek a

602
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,359
really really rough night, and yes he got stopped on

603
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,039
the cuts, but that was a highly physical, highly grueling fight.

604
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,039
The other interesting aspect of the fight between Joyce and

605
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,720
Uh and Hergovic is that they have fought each other

606
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,640
before in twenty thirteen, it's a long time ago, in

607
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,519
the World Series of Boxing, which was sort of that

608
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,480
quasi professional, quasi amateur outfit. He lost a split decision

609
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,119
a five rounder in Joe Joyce, I should say, won

610
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,160
that fight against Hergovic in the in that quasi amateur

611
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,599
outfit I have. I've watched that fight, it's on YouTube.

612
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:46,720
It was close, but definitely Joyce deserved the victory. It

613
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,039
was a split decision, nonetheless than a five rounder, So

614
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,880
they have familiarity from that standpoint. Obviously it's a long

615
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,119
time ago, but I'm sure Hergovic, when you lose, especially

616
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,000
at that level when he won an Olympic medal, you

617
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680
don't you don't forget those types of losses. So it's

618
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,839
not like they go into each other in the ring

619
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,759
with each other being completely unfamiliar. So there's a lot

620
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:07,680
of stuff going on in that fight, and I feel

621
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,480
like that's going to be a pretty damn good heavyweight fight.

622
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Hey, did we cover most of the globe Australia, Las Vegas, Kazakhstan,

623
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,559
and Manchester, England with four different sets of main event

624
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,240
fights and fight cards? Why don't we do this? Jaron

625
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:28,279
boots innis coming next weekend in Atlantic City to fight Stanionis.

626
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,319
But before we even get to that fight week, you're

627
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,920
gonna hear from him right now before the welterweight title showdown.

628
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,680
Here's Boots Ennis with Dan.

629
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,319
Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to the show this

630
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,480
week to the podcast. It is the IBF Welterweight Champ

631
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,960
of the World, Jaron Bootsennis, Boots, thanks for doing this.

632
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,960
You've got a very big fight coming up. I would

633
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,839
say we'll talk about this, the biggest of your career.

634
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,920
You'll square off against Amontes Stanionis to unify your IBF

635
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,799
title with his WBA welterweight title April twelfth. It's the

636
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,480
mattrom Boxing main event live on the Jones at the

637
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,880
Boardwalk Call in Atlantic City, not too far from your

638
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,079
hometown in Philadelphia. So welcome to the show. Uh, and

639
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,599
answer that question, is this do you think this is

640
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,119
by far the biggest fight of your career?

641
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:13,079
Speaker 3: Honestly, we don't know.

642
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,359
Speaker 4: We'll you know, we'll see you on you know, on

643
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,559
finite but but you know, citations wise, yeah.

644
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: You know, because you gotta belt, I gotta built. But

645
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,000
you know, as style war as we all know, you know.

646
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,359
Speaker 2: Well, you have been calling out for unification fight for

647
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,920
quite some time, ever since you uh picked up the

648
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,759
title that you have at the moment. Is this uh?

649
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: Is it? Uh?

650
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,279
Speaker 2: It's been a long trek to get there. How are

651
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,400
you feeling now that you finally have at least one

652
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,359
of these unification fights that you've been asking for for

653
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:39,920
such a while.

654
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,319
Speaker 4: I feel great, you know, to be able to have,

655
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,240
you know, finally get what I want, you know, and

656
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,960
that's unifications and not fighting these these are other guys

657
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,920
and things like that. So I mean, you know, I'm

658
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,759
excited to be able to to fight for unification, and I.

659
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: Say, show the world I'm the best in the world.

660
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,119
Speaker 2: When you and your team, when you and your father

661
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,079
and everybody looks over Standiona's checks out the video. Maybe

662
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,960
you've seen him fight, you know, in person in the past. However,

663
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,240
it may be what do you see in his style

664
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,640
that that makes him appealing for your style?

665
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:14,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean we see we see a lot,

666
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720
you know, he you know, he hit a good fight

667
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:20,160
and things like that. But there's nothing we've never seen before.

668
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,599
He come forward, no pressure, He come forward with pressure,

669
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,000
tried jam tat, throw a lot of punches.

670
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: You know, we've seen all that before. Ain't nothing we've

671
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:29,200
never seen before.

672
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,799
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm re excited and uh, we can't wait,

673
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:33,519
you know, already ready to make a big steament on

674
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:34,559
next send of it.

675
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: You're coming off of your your last fight in the

676
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,799
mandatory rematch against current Chikazi in which was a fight

677
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,559
that I don't think you wanted. I don't think anybody wanted,

678
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,440
but because of the IBF situation, he wound up as

679
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,160
the fight you kind of had to take, and you

680
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480
had you had beat him so easily in your first fight,

681
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,720
which was for an interim title back in twenty twenty three.

682
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,160
How annoyed? How annoyed were you that you were sort

683
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,119
of forced into that fight if you wanted to maintain

684
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,200
your title. It's one thing boats to have a mandatory.

685
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,079
It's a hard thing to have a mandatory not that

686
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,000
long after you already kicked the guys are not that

687
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:06,720
long ago.

688
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's very hard.

689
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's frustrating, but you know, in the day,

690
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:14,279
it is boxing. You gotta do what you gotta do.

691
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:15,680
You know, you put them in front of me. I

692
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,559
gotta fight him, and I gotta beat him, So That's

693
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:18,160
what I'm gonna do.

694
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,759
Speaker 2: He seemed to give you at least a little bit

695
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,240
of a more competition in the second fight, change things

696
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:24,640
up a little bit, didn't run the way he did

697
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,480
the first time, actually did stand for for for time

698
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,759
for times during that match and fight. You uh you

699
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,640
yourself kind of were critical of your own performance when

700
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,920
it was over. Were you were you a little disappointed

701
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,480
in that particular not the result because you won the fight,

702
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,039
but just in the way that you boxed.

703
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,599
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I mean, uh, you know it's it's definitely

704
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,519
not not disappointment. I know better than things like that.

705
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,920
And it's it's it's hard to fight guys like that,

706
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:55,640
you know. You know, like let me just say, I

707
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,920
beat him already and you know I already kind of

708
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,480
like didn't want to want to fight out was wheus.

709
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: To fight him. So you know, today is a boxing you.

710
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: Live and you learnt you got you gotta you gotta

711
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
push through it, you know, and uh you know it

712
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,799
it made me actually a better better fighter.

713
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:13,759
Speaker 3: And and uh and take you know two things differently

714
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:14,200
in camp.

715
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: You know, before you had the rematch, I mean, the

716
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:19,839
one way that you could have not had to fight

717
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,240
him at least right away to keep your title was

718
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,480
under IBF rules because the mandatory was due. You could

719
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240
have done the unification fight. And obviously you guys Eddie

720
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,920
Hearn and your team at Mattroom and your your side

721
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,240
of the uh of the Alleger had conversations about the

722
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,960
possibility of a unification with Brian Norman and it did

723
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,400
not come about because you guys were a little part

724
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,039
on the money. I wonder were how disappointed were you

725
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,160
about that? That here On the one hand, you're like, well,

726
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,559
maybe I'm gonna get the unification I've wanted, uh and

727
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
then obviously it fell apart and the alternative was you

728
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:50,279
having to fight the mandatory again.

729
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's very it's very disappointing.

730
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, we're here now,

731
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:58,480
I got my unification, you know, and I'm ready to

732
00:33:58,519 --> 00:33:59,319
put it over next year.

733
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm ready to should run the best in the world.

734
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,079
I guess I'm not to stay honest.

735
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,559
Speaker 2: Brian Norman did come back from his own injury that

736
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,480
he had and he did fight just recently against Derek Wavis.

737
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,760
He got a third round knockout. You know, look really good, uh,

738
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,000
you know, blowing him away. Obviously not a top level

739
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:15,960
opponent like if he was fighting one of the other champions.

740
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,519
But if you if you take care of your business,

741
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,840
like I know you expect to do against Danionis and

742
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,639
you unify. Is that a fight you want to revisit

743
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,440
before you go to one fifty four and try to

744
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,119
continue to unify the welterweight division.

745
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: My mean phobus right.

746
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: Now is a Manchester owness.

747
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,519
Speaker 3: You know.

748
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: Once I handle business next Saury Day and uh should

749
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,719
a world around the best in the world, we'll figure

750
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,000
it out.

751
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,079
Speaker 3: You will figure out what we're gonna do from there,

752
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,000
you know. But like my mean phobus right now.

753
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,679
Speaker 4: I'm I ain't really worrying about nobody else outside of Montes,

754
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,119
Stay honest. I'm locked in on him and uh, once

755
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,920
i'm Victoria's you know, uh, next hey Day and we'll

756
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,480
take it from there.

757
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: You know, we'll see from there.

758
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,119
Speaker 2: Well, I certainly understand that attitude of being locked in,

759
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920
especially on an undefeated champion that you gotta fight. Uh,

760
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,360
but I do want to ask you about all the

761
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,599
things that went into before this guy on which was

762
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,840
the conversations. Uh, you know, you know what happened with

763
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,719
you know, you were tied to the fight potentially going

764
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,360
over to Saudi Arabia that would have been this past

765
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,719
February against Virgil Ortiz, that would have been a heck

766
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,159
of a fight, be a great fight, you know, in

767
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,920
the future, I would imagine. I just like to hear

768
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,400
from your perspective what exactly happened in your mind, because

769
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,360
it seemed like that fight was the deal made. Everybody

770
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,800
seemed to be excited. Turkey al Shehkh was into the fight.

771
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

772
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:25,639
Speaker 2: And then it came time to get it done done

773
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,800
and it was a difference over what the weight was.

774
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,920
Where he was at fifty four, you were at forty seven.

775
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,199
You had said maybe I'll move up to fifty four

776
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,159
after the Chikazian fight, and then when he got the paperwork,

777
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,679
it said forty seven No a no go for him.

778
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,519
What what was your what was your side of that situation?

779
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,159
Speaker 1: Good?

780
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: It is. Uh, I'm a one forty one, you know,

781
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,719
and that's that's the way that I'm at right now.

782
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: So you know, there was a lot of confusion and

783
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,760
mishands going on, but it's out of you know, and

784
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,679
uh day I'm at one free and I'm I'm like,

785
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,239
you know, on freezing right now at the moment, and

786
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,800
I'm I'm getting here to collect these boats, unify and

787
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,599
uh uh you know, at.

788
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: Tray to get the other chambers as well.

789
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: So you know I'm done here for them, Okay, I

790
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:14,840
mean I just was asking that because it always seemed

791
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,920
to me anyway that it was contemplated at one along

792
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,760
because of his way and because of your comments after

793
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,400
the h the recent fight.

794
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I.

795
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,519
Speaker 4: That's like, that's like me telling you I might come

796
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,719
to a party if I don't show up, I said,

797
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,159
I said, Mike, might you know, like I said before,

798
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,280
I feel like I got unfinished visions at one forty seven.

799
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,639
I can't I can't just leave a division without without

800
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,639
no accomplishing what I want to accomplished, you know, and

801
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,639
things like that. And I said, like I said, I

802
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,039
never I never fought for a war title. I'm a

803
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,639
one forty seven champion. I got the IVY, but I

804
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,480
never fort for the boat. The boat was given to me.

805
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:56,280
So you know, I feel like I feel like I'm

806
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,360
finally getting what I want and now everything like rolling,

807
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,079
everything like perfect timing, you know, and things like that.

808
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: So I was finally going to one I was gonna

809
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,199
ask you about that because you know, obviously you've already

810
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,719
shown yourself to uh to be maybe already people some

811
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,639
people think you're number one, at one and forty seven,

812
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,239
there are other champions, but like you said, you won

813
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,320
the interim belt when you fought to Chikazian, but not

814
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,639
the full belt. That was you know, not your fault

815
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,440
because the champion was Terrence Craford. He was moving up

816
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,880
to another way class and vacated, so you took over

817
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,079
that mantle. Uh So this, this would be the first

818
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,559
time to win real, a real full title if you

819
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,519
will in the ring exactly.

820
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: And im and I'm gonna be able to take it

821
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,039
from a champion. So this I'm this my first time

822
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,880
fighting for about you know, like I said, I'm excited

823
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,159
this I finally getting what I won. And like I said,

824
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,840
I can't leave one forty seven and go to fifty

825
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,880
four and and but what I and I can't leave

826
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400
forty seven without you know, handling my business. And then

827
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,320
once I handle my business at forty seven, then I

828
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,280
go to fifty four head right now seven?

829
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:01,199
Speaker 2: Uh well, it seems like if you do take out

830
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:03,360
of your business that you're talking about, that the future

831
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,639
is immensely bright, whether you're fighting at forty seven or

832
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,000
at one fifty four. I wanted to ask you about this,

833
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,559
and it's not. It's lots of fans talk about this,

834
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:13,800
but it was Turkey al Chic that put this out

835
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,159
there and posted to a social media not that long

836
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,480
ago where obviously you have this fight coming up, but

837
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:20,519
he has a big show he's doing in Times Square

838
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:24,480
in May. Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney are on that car.

839
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,880
Tiafimo Lopez is on that card, and we all know

840
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,800
the deal. If Tiafimo wins, and if if Garcia and

841
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,800
Hainey both win, they're going to have a rematch in

842
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,079
the fall. He would like to have you fight tia

843
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:39,880
Fimo on that same card if Tiafimo also wins. I

844
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:41,320
just wondered your thoughts about that.

845
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,119
Speaker 3: I mean, he a good fighters, you know, you know

846
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,039
all a great fighters. You know that's a good card.

847
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 4: Hey, Well, like I said for you, I'm I'm like,

848
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,480
I'm doubting on one one goal right now and that's

849
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:58,239
becoming even if bringing at thirty b Built Home and

850
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,880
then the ring magasine Bill Hayes say, I belt about

851
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,559
nobody else ouse Saturday. You know, like we didn't talk

852
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:10,159
about day right now now then a hand.

853
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:12,159
Speaker 2: Let me ask you then about standing on us in

854
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,000
terms of the way the schedules have gone. Uh, I

855
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,239
wonder if you know, you you have fought, you know,

856
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,159
as boxing goes today regularly. You fought two times in

857
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,840
twenty twenty three, you fought two times in twenty twenty four,

858
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,119
and so you've been you know, act what what goes

859
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,719
for active these days? He has been very inactive though

860
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,440
he's just had one fight. He's coming off of your

861
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,960
layoff when he fights you for the unification, but he's

862
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,519
only had one fight in three years. When he gets

863
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:41,920
in the ring with you, I wonder if you think

864
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,239
that that is a significant advantage for you, and just

865
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,079
in terms of the you know, the roster, the the

866
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,039
timing and all the things that are go into preparing

867
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,400
for a significant fight. It's hard enough to fight boots

868
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,320
enis no matter what a boots and that's been active

869
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,039
and you're coming off a long lay off. That seems

870
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,360
to be a kind of a tough hill to climb,

871
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:00,639
you know.

872
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,159
Speaker 3: What I mean. Uh, that's a lot of things that's

873
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:04,320
gonna play the part. You know.

874
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: Uh, this fight is gonna be It's gonna be me,

875
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,719
you know, doing what I'm gonna do to him. It's

876
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,960
gonna be the crowd. You know, like I said before,

877
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,199
he he fought on big cars, but he never was

878
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,719
like the meaning of it or so every time he

879
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,559
thought it was no crowds and that stuff and things

880
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,039
like that. You know, Like I said, he a great fighter,

881
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,960
but a lot of things are gonna play a faker,

882
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,360
uh into this. The crowd, you know, fight week, the media,

883
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,960
all the you know, cameras and all that stuff being around.

884
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,719
All this stuff gonna hit the tool. And then once

885
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,320
he finally get in the ring with me, he gonna

886
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,320
be like, I think that's switch gonna.

887
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,159
Speaker 3: Hit like like damn, I'm finally in the ring with

888
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,599
which is like.

889
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: They're gonna go and see what it feels like, you know.

890
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,079
And uh I heard I heard him talking and things

891
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:43,519
like that, saying this and saying that.

892
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: But you know, we I can't wait. I'm excited, I'm prepared,

893
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:49,119
I'm ready to handle business.

894
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: Well, I want to wrap up with this. You mentioned

895
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,360
about the crowd. The fight's taking place at Boardwalk Calls

896
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,679
a very hallowed, very famous arena for lots of things,

897
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,400
but boxing is hosted some huge fights of the years,

898
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:04,320
big mega fights, Mike Tyson, Arturo Gotti, Bernard Hopkins of

899
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Vladimir Klitschko, Miguel Coto, Kelly Pavlck, and Jermaine Taylor. I mean,

900
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:10,239
I could I've covered so many of those fights that

901
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,159
can go on and on, but this is as crazy

902
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:13,519
as it sounds. And I actually had to go look

903
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,800
this up because just to make sure. This is going

904
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,360
to be the first fight they've had in the main

905
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,079
arena at Boardwalk. All they've had so I'm in the

906
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,440
upstairs arena over the last several years. But it's the

907
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:24,800
first really big championship fight card in the main arena

908
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,960
since Bernard Hopkins and Sergey Kovo have fought in a

909
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:31,239
light heavyweight unification fight back in twenty fourteen. That is

910
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,480
a long time ago, Boots, I saw. I wondered, just

911
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:35,559
from your point of view, how does it feel to

912
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:38,920
be like the main guy bringing boxing, big time boxing

913
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,840
back to this great old arena that is so close

914
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,800
to your hometown of Philly.

915
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 3: It's phenomenal, you know, I guess say, I ee.

916
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: In the little room roman Ve, you know, so like

917
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:56,760
this is gonna be you know, I had a couple

918
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,840
of legendary you know fights, you know in La City,

919
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,320
and I'm excited to be able to do it in

920
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,480
a big arena, the bigger arena, you know, and Floyd

921
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:07,039
for Deer before Goutti. There a lot of I think

922
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:08,960
Mickey Ward and Garrity for dere you know, a lot

923
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,440
of a lot of legendary fights been you know, been

924
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,760
held at this arena. And I'm I'm ready to depend

925
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,679
on the legendary performance, you know, come come next Saturday.

926
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:18,840
So I think it's it's my turn.

927
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 3: Everything.

928
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:21,159
Speaker 4: Like I'm saying, I feel like everything just felt right

929
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,760
in a place, perfect time, and uh, I feel like

930
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,840
we're gonna have a legendary night, you know, next heur day.

931
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,599
Speaker 3: I'm ready to show up.

932
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,599
Speaker 2: Did you ever as a younger guy go to any

933
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,760
of those fights at Boardwalk Calls Young as a kid? Maybe?

934
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 4: Uh, every fight that I went as a kid was

935
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,360
at this the smaller one, the smaller venue.

936
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: So you're gonna be in Boardwalk Calls Maine Arena for

937
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,199
the first time as a as as a fighter in

938
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,440
the ring, as even though you've been there as a spectator.

939
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,719
But upstairs, Yeah, yeah, it's my.

940
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 4: First time being in a bigger the bigger room, you know,

941
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,159
and uh, I'm excited, Like like I said, before a

942
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,079
lot of legends came through, you know, and I'm ready

943
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:58,039
to I'm ready to state my uh my legacy, my

944
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,599
my legendary performance on April, so you know already for

945
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,599
my legendary performance in a borough go well.

946
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: I certainly wish you the best luck in doing so.

947
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:09,079
It's gonna be a big night for you, a big

948
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,000
night for boxing, a big night for STADIONUS as well. So, Boots,

949
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,519
I wish you the best luck. And I really appreciate

950
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:14,760
you doing this today. Thank you so much.

951
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,039
Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate it.

952
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: And again Ennis has been clamoring to collect belts. Here

953
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,280
this is a shot at unification. We know that in

954
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:29,840
his general area of Atlantic City should have a big

955
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,199
crowd for Boots and us. It's set up for him.

956
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,000
What other thoughts do you have after talking to him

957
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:36,639
as you did, Dan Rayphield.

958
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: Good fight. Listen. In the history of boxing, there hasn't

959
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,679
really been that many welterweight unification fights. I mean, it's

960
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,559
it's it's such a storied sort of traditional division. There

961
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,840
have only been a handful. There's been, like, you know,

962
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,920
maybe a dozen or so. I mean some of them

963
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,880
are super famously know Mayweather, Pac Yao and Spence and Crawford,

964
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,599
things like that Trinidad in Oscar. But so this is

965
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:01,280
one of the those types of fights where you just

966
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,280
don't see in this weight class too many unification fights.

967
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,119
But you know, it is a good matchup. They come

968
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:11,159
in this fight undefeated. Both guys are looking to continue

969
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,840
to make their name. It is for the Ring Magazine title,

970
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,000
so you know, too many people, the winner of this

971
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:17,920
fight will be the man in the division that is

972
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,199
sort of not had the man ever since Crawford left

973
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,840
after he defeated Errol Spence. So this is sort of

974
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,639
the one that picks up that slack. Stanionis has been

975
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:29,159
woefully inactive. I mean, he's one of the worst defenders

976
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,480
of all. It's not his fault, it's just he had layoffs.

977
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,519
He had the you know problems because of there was

978
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,559
the whole thing that happened with him in Virgil Ortiz

979
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,320
where one guy got sick and he got an appendectomy.

980
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,159
Then Rabel got sick again with his blood disorder and

981
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,000
all that anyway, so that he lost a lot of

982
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:49,119
time with that. So he comes into this fight off,

983
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,239
you know, a year layoff, but he's only had one

984
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,760
fight in three years, so who knows how he's going

985
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,039
to perform. At least Ennis he's had by our normal standards,

986
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:59,559
as we talked about in the interview, two fights last year,

987
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,000
two fights in twenty three, you know, so that's active

988
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,920
by today's standards. But this is a good fight. This

989
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,719
is a big time matchup. Like I said, they're both undefeated, TJ.

990
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,239
The crazy thing to me is this Boardwalk Hall, which

991
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,360
has hosted any number of mega fights and huge names

992
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,239
over the years. You know, that's the place where Mike

993
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,880
Tyson fought many times. That's where Arturro Gotti made a

994
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,119
second home and had a whole series of fights to

995
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,079
the last nine fights.

996
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: I was just there three weeks ago. We keep talking

997
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,679
about the nostalgia of this place exactly.

998
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: And well, you were there for basketball, but in terms

999
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,760
of boxing, you know, Floyd Mayweather fought there against Gotti,

1000
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,360
Klitchco fought there Miguel Coto on one of the great

1001
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,079
Middleway Championship fights ever between.

1002
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:40,679
Speaker 1: Kelly just talked about Foreman holy Field in the Boardwalk Hall.

1003
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,679
Speaker 2: So anyway, here's the thing. Bernard Hopkins fought there. There

1004
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,800
hasn't been a fight in the main arena now in

1005
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,280
the Boardwalk Hall too, if the listeners are not familiar.

1006
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,559
There's the main arena, which is like the you know,

1007
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,760
fifteen thousand seater or whatever it holds, and then upstairs

1008
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,440
you take out like a flight of stairs or an

1009
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,960
escalator or element upstairs, and there's another room that holds

1010
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,039
about what three three and a half four thousand that

1011
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,320
most kind of similar like if you're at Madison Square

1012
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,239
Guard and there's the downstairs theater which holds about five thousand,

1013
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,519
go upstairs to the main Madison Square Guard holds twenty thousand. So,

1014
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,360
but the main arena at Boardwalk Hall has not hosted

1015
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,199
a boxing event since twenty fourteen, when Bert Hopkins that's

1016
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,039
get COVID have fought in a light head the league.

1017
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: It's been that long.

1018
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they're going there obviously because Boots is from

1019
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,840
nearby Philadelphia. He'll draw a crowd. He's drawn crowds his

1020
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,559
last couple of fights in Philly. It's probably you know,

1021
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:32,800
they they probably getting some uh you know, it was

1022
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,760
sort of a to a pee stanionis Wu and they

1023
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,719
mightn't have to actually fighting in his hometown, although close enough,

1024
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,440
but anyway, it should be a pretty decent crowd on

1025
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,800
the boardwalk. You know, Atlantic City has really fallen off

1026
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,320
in terms of the heyday of boxing, but this is

1027
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,119
one of those kind of fights that can maybe bring

1028
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:46,800
it back a little bit.

1029
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,199
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. They have cleaned a lot

1030
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,840
of it up, literally brightened it up. The casinos are back,

1031
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,719
and they're maybe trying to get back into the swing

1032
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,239
of it within us and maybe a couple of other

1033
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Philadelphia or New Jersey area fighters. It doesn't know, they

1034
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:01,400
don't They didn't share their plans with me.

1035
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: But the thing about Atlantic City is the big fights

1036
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,679
never mattered if the guy was from Philly or Atlantic City.

1037
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,400
I mean, Miguel Coto was a Puerto Rican. Vladimir Klitschko

1038
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,039
was from Ukraine. You know Kelly Pavlick. I still remember

1039
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,599
going to the arena when Kelly Pavlock fought Jermain Taylor,

1040
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,119
and it was like a sea of of the Kelly

1041
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,320
Pavlock fans that had traveled from Youngstown. Everywhere you went,

1042
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,719
everybody was dressed up in the Ohio state. So you know,

1043
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,599
you don't have to be from the region. It doesn't

1044
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,039
hurt in terms of if you're a Bernard Hopkins bringing

1045
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,039
people in or you know, if you are a gad

1046
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:34,639
who was making his home in New Jersey, or you

1047
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,559
know you're a be hop from Philly, that's made. That's

1048
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,000
that makes sense. But anyway, this should be a very

1049
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:44,679
interesting fight. Bliss Boots can make a name for himself

1050
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,119
bigger because he's been you know, a lot of people

1051
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:48,559
in down on it because of what happened with the

1052
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:51,480
Artis situation, with that fight falling out because they were

1053
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,719
not going on the same weight situation.

1054
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,039
Speaker 1: The bottom line is if he wins this fight. They

1055
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,199
were trying to make the Brian Norman fight before. We

1056
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,719
talked about it at last weekend and Norman won his

1057
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,119
fight by knockout cal Us Crazy Laula's crazy. It's set

1058
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:08,159
up now for another unification fight next with Norman if

1059
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:09,800
you want to make that fight for Boot sentence, but

1060
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,480
take care of this first and again that's next week.

1061
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,519
We'll preview that more next week and the fight next weekend.

1062
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,760
Nice get there with Bootsentnace and we think the match

1063
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,840
room people as well. All Right, some news and then

1064
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,440
we're getting to Sugar Ray, Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Nostalgia and

1065
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,679
the anniversary coming this week. But first some news, and

1066
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,280
that is PBC on Prime making the announcement on Wednesday

1067
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,639
that Caleb Plant is back this is non pay per

1068
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,920
view now to defend his interim super middleweight title. And

1069
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,400
oh look, it's Jamal Charlow who is back after yet

1070
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,880
another layoff. Jamal Charlow has literally had one fight in

1071
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,559
almost four years or maybe more. All right, so here's

1072
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,360
the announcement. I don't know how many people are amped

1073
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,239
about either one of these names, but PBC's got them

1074
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,280
a dat and got them fights.

1075
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Dan, well listen. I think that people will

1076
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,639
be happy to see these guys back in their ring.

1077
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,079
Kayla Plant has been uh, you know, in a bunch

1078
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,440
of interesting fights. Charlot when he's active and he's fighting,

1079
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,320
which has been a while, he's been in some good fights.

1080
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400
But the big thing about this one is and and

1081
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,679
and they I'm glad that PBC did this. They didn't

1082
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,840
kind of beat around the bush because the matchups themselves

1083
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,119
are not overwhelming. Let's just be honest about that. We

1084
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,360
keep it real. But it's also made very clear when

1085
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,119
they made their announcement that this is what they're doing.

1086
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,039
And then we're putting them together because they've had all

1087
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:31,920
kinds of bad blood with each other. They almost gotten

1088
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,400
they almost got into a fight that'd be separated. They've been,

1089
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,000
you know, all over each other on social media, back

1090
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,559
and forth. You know, Kayla Plant would get into a

1091
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:40,239
fight with anybody on social media, if you could say,

1092
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,360
with Charlot, but they bring in particular with each other,

1093
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:44,239
have needled each other for the last couple of years.

1094
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,079
This has been a long time.

1095
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,559
Speaker 1: Weren't they throwing punches at each other in the tunnel

1096
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,199
at the T Mobile Arena before, like uh, one of

1097
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,320
one of the other people I forget in pay per

1098
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,239
view that it wasn't even their fight. They had an

1099
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,760
they had an undercard preliminary fight on a on a

1100
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,039
fight card in the tunnel of the team allbiles.

1101
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:02,559
Speaker 2: It was just kind of a mess. But the fact

1102
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:05,519
is they've wanted to fight each other. So you can't.

1103
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,159
You can't ask Charlotte come off an eighteen month layoff

1104
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,079
and get in the ring with Kayleb Plant. I mean,

1105
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,199
I don't think that's anything that you want. You want

1106
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,320
to see him in a good spot. So hopefully, look

1107
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,039
it's not pay per view like you said. I mean,

1108
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:18,599
when they fight each other. It's gonna be a pay

1109
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:20,920
per view obviously, but the main thing is they're getting

1110
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,119
in the ring. There is the regular schedule coming of

1111
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
non pay per view fights. As I've said all along,

1112
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,400
it's taken them a while why, I don't know the

1113
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,159
exact reason, but they're here now. Cost Tim zu we

1114
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,800
got this fight coming up in May. They did the

1115
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,000
one that was just recent with Fondora. They did the

1116
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:37,519
Tim Zoo fight at the end of last year when

1117
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,159
he got knocked out by martazeleevf And so there's gonna

1118
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:44,079
be others, I think, as I am told, coming June July. Anyway,

1119
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,760
in terms of this matchup, you've got cayleb Plant taking

1120
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,920
on the very tough Armando Razendez, who's probably best known

1121
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,440
for a really good performance at a knockout against Jared

1122
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:56,440
Hurd that was a couple of fights ago. You have,

1123
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:59,320
so that's that's Caleb's assignment. And then you have Charlow.

1124
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,719
He's come in again, I think against a pretty soft

1125
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,599
opponent in Thomas Lamana. Yeah, you know, let's last time

1126
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,760
he was in a fight against a known opponent. He

1127
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,960
got stopped in the first round by Arizlonti, Lara.

1128
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: Laura Laura knocked him out with one punch against Cornflake Lamana.

1129
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,519
Speaker 2: So he has won like nine fights in a row.

1130
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:20,519
But it's their nine opponents nine right, yeah, exactly. But anyway,

1131
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:22,599
if they take care of their business, they're gonna.

1132
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: Fight each other, right, Rayfield, I always have fun with

1133
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,840
you Bay in Las Vegas. If you had to bet

1134
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,719
one hundred dollars that Jamal Charlow makes it to May

1135
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,800
thirty first in this fight, which way would you bet?

1136
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,920
We are six or seven weeks away? Does he make

1137
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,400
it to May thirty first and make it to this

1138
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,119
fight card? He's he's pulled out of fights, he's had

1139
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:42,079
alcohol problems, he's had arrests. Is he gonna make it

1140
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,519
to May thirty first? Stay tuned?

1141
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: I think yes in this case. All right, maybe I'm

1142
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,599
just being uh being off. I have a positive mindset today,

1143
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:51,880
all right.

1144
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: I like that because Duke's playing in the Final four

1145
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,519
this weekend. You got a positive nine set about that

1146
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:59,559
your Yankees are hitting home runs. It's gonna be positive for.

1147
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,639
Speaker 2: The sake of Jamal's career and his life. I hope

1148
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:05,320
he's good to go, because when he is in the

1149
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,599
right frame of mind, and he's not dealing with all

1150
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,280
kinds of issues, and he's got his life under control.

1151
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,079
He is a heck of a fighter, and so is

1152
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,159
his brother, but they just have had so many issues.

1153
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,599
It's unfortunate to watch it unfold like that. But he

1154
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:19,719
ain't getting any younger, and it's not something.

1155
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: And probably needs the money. We often talk about that,

1156
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,199
all right, Moving on most valuable promotions, Jake Paul's outfit

1157
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,480
has announced now that they've signed Alicia Bomgardner. She's going

1158
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:32,039
to make a mandatory defense. Tell me about the opponent

1159
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,679
and when is the fight and where? Give me the

1160
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,960
Give me the lowdown on Alicia Bomgardner's return again. She's

1161
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,440
been under drug suspension as well.

1162
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: Go ahead, well that she was never actually suspended, I guess.

1163
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,639
But nonetheless, she has a fight coming back. She did

1164
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,639
fight back in October. This will be her next fight

1165
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,400
since then. She is still the undisputed champion. Whatever was

1166
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,000
the situation with that drug situation from her fight in

1167
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:57,000
Detroit that took place a while back. In any event,

1168
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:58,480
I made a mistake when I told you that she

1169
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:00,679
was a mandatory. She is out the mandatory.

1170
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,159
Speaker 1: What she is is.

1171
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,039
Speaker 2: The opponent is a woman named Jennifer Morand who was

1172
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,320
twelve and zero with one knockout. She is from Spain.

1173
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,800
She's actually the wva's interim featherweight titlelder. She's moving up

1174
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,840
to challenge Alisha one hundred and thirty pounds, so I

1175
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,519
thought she was the thirty pound interim champion. My mistake there. Nonetheless,

1176
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,719
Bomb Garner getting back in action for this fight. It

1177
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,239
will take place on the undercard when Katie Taylor and

1178
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,440
Amanda Serrano have their third fight. That's in July July

1179
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,400
eleventh to be specific, at Madison Square Guard And as

1180
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,559
soon as that she was signed with MVP back you

1181
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:34,800
know what about a week or two ago. In absolutely

1182
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,880
zero shock whatsoever. I mean, I sort of had known

1183
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,800
this ahead of time, that it wasn't definite, but it

1184
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,199
was like, that's what we're gonna If we can get

1185
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,480
this wrapped up, we're putting her on that undercard, which

1186
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:45,920
makes all the sense in the world. The MVP, of

1187
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,199
course a women's card for that event. Alicia is one

1188
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,880
of the best women's boxers out there. She's the undisputed

1189
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,079
champion at one thirty and as I said to you,

1190
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:58,199
when we talked about the signing, she if she wins

1191
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,880
the fight on this card against Miranda, obviously, if she's

1192
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,960
at one thirty and Serrano is the unified champ at

1193
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,679
one twenty six, but she's going up to one forty

1194
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,880
to challenge Taylor, and Taylor's at one forty has been

1195
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,719
a champion also at one thirty five, Bombgarner fits in

1196
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,760
the picture to fight the winner or the loser for

1197
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,000
that matter, however it goes. You know, so if if

1198
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:23,480
Serrano were to were to win, I means she could

1199
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:25,519
challenge her at one forty or you know, if Katie

1200
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:28,880
she can move up. If Serrano loses and she's still

1201
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,800
back at featherweight, she could probably still you know, jump

1202
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,599
up the four pounds to one thirty and challenge Bombgarner.

1203
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,000
Point is, if you're MVP, you've got now three of

1204
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,440
the best women in boxing, all under your under your

1205
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,239
promotional banner, and they're fighting at twenty six.

1206
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: And then we'll be honest. We talked about this and

1207
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,719
we'll talk about them when we can. Told her this

1208
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,280
is going to be a massive event in the summer

1209
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,599
with these two fighting a third time. Taylor and Serrano

1210
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,880
in Madison Square Garden, which they sold out as a

1211
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,119
headlining fight back three years ago. So for Bombgarner to

1212
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:04,960
be part of that card and an option for the winner,

1213
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:09,360
that's a significant deal in this the chess moves that

1214
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,519
are being made well, by.

1215
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: The way, Besides just the fact that Serrano and Katie

1216
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,119
sold out the Garden for the first fight, the rematch

1217
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,039
was on the undercard of Mike Tyson Jake Paul, which

1218
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,280
did tens of millions of viewers around the world on

1219
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,360
Netflix and was in front of a crowd of like

1220
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,519
seventy thousand or whatever it was at at and T Stadium.

1221
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:29,960
So the Garden will be sold out in Bombgarner as

1222
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,079
the co feature will have and that's also going to

1223
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:35,760
be on Netflix. We'll have by far and away, by multiples.

1224
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,719
I couldn't even count her biggest exposure ever. Her biggest

1225
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,360
fight before this one was her victory against MICHAELA. Mayer

1226
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,559
by split decision back in twenty twenty two. That was

1227
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:48,800
a one hundred and thirty pound unification fight on her

1228
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,760
way to becoming the undisputed champion. That was a pretty

1229
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,519
good fight and it had wide exposure on ESPN in

1230
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:57,679
the United States or ESPN Plus and you know, I

1231
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,079
guess it was on what Sky channel in the United.

1232
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: Because they fought in the UK in the middle of

1233
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,320
the afternoon.

1234
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: You know, Netflix is going to blow right both of

1235
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,440
those numbers. So she's in a wonderful position to get

1236
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,280
a fight on this card and to not only get

1237
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,559
that opportunity but set herself up to be definitely one

1238
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,000
hundred in the picture for whoever it merges from the

1239
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:17,440
main event.

1240
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,559
Speaker 1: One more news item, and that is Noayoya in a

1241
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:25,320
Way have they officially engraved the Japanese Boxer of the

1242
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,239
Year as just the Naoya in a Way award because

1243
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,760
he accepted his seventh consecutive Japanese Boxer of the Year

1244
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,000
award this week. But the interesting thing is he was

1245
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:41,199
at the ceremony with Junto Nakatani, and so it's not

1246
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,320
hard to put the pieces together here. That's a fight

1247
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,239
down the road in the future that everybody's interested in.

1248
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,519
They were together in Japan. Rayphael is all over all

1249
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:53,400
the news all over the globe, including who's having the

1250
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:57,280
chicken dinner at an award ceremony in Japan together? And

1251
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,960
in this case it's the monster and Nakatani.

1252
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,519
Speaker 2: This is a fight that will be when it happens,

1253
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,639
and I hope it happens, and it probably will happen.

1254
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,519
I'm not like Japanese boxing expert, but I know enough

1255
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,280
and I know people that are in the boxing business

1256
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,440
from Japan. This is, if it happens, will be the

1257
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:20,440
most significant, biggest, most hyped up fight in the history

1258
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,000
of Japan boxing. In terms of two Japanese boxers fighting

1259
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:27,559
each other. They are both tremendous fighters in a way

1260
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,840
of course, is you know, at worst, like the third

1261
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,039
best fighter in the world power for pound, probably on

1262
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:35,519
a lot of people's minds one or two. He and

1263
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:38,960
Nakatani are the two best fighters in Japan presently if

1264
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,599
you ask me, no doubt about it. Now, this was

1265
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:44,440
a matchup that's been discussed. I went back and I

1266
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,679
remember if an interview I had with Bob Aram at

1267
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,239
the end of last year, Bob and Top Rank they

1268
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,239
are the co promoter in a way and of Nakatani,

1269
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:54,440
and so they're they're heavily involved in those plans. They

1270
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,199
were talking about maybe doing Nakatani moving up to one

1271
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,119
twenty two to fight in a way sometime this year,

1272
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:03,519
maybe in the summer. That is not going to happen.

1273
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,119
For one of the main reasons was because they just

1274
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,000
they want to do the fight at the Tokyo Don't

1275
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,239
which is a huge stadium obviously in Tokyo where Tyson

1276
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,639
fought a couple of times, where in a way fought

1277
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:16,199
Luis Neary. They had a huge crowd there. It's a

1278
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:18,840
hard building to get. I mean, they've got professional baseball

1279
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,039
the plays there, and they've got other activities that take

1280
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,239
place there on a regular basis. So then you also

1281
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,599
had the situation within a way, having mandatories to deal

1282
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:28,840
with and wanting to maintain the title, wanting to come

1283
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,440
back to the United States, also dealing with the Saudi's

1284
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,480
because he's got a thing with riad season where he's

1285
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,639
supposed to fight at the end of the year. Anyway,

1286
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:39,440
long story short, that fight's not happening in twenty twenty

1287
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,639
four because in a way, fought in January. He's got

1288
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:45,280
the fight coming up in May in Las Vegas. He's

1289
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,760
got the September fight back in Japan. If he wins

1290
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,639
against Acmadalia, and if that's okay and he's not injured,

1291
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:52,960
no issues, he's supposed to be going to fight at

1292
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,000
the end of the year in Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, you

1293
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:58,519
got knakatan He's been knocking everybody out. He just come

1294
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,679
off of defense a few weeks ago against Kwaar. He's

1295
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:03,840
gonna fight probably at least one more time, maybe twice

1296
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,199
more this year. But of all that transpires and their

1297
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,760
winners and they're good to go, then Nakatani's moving up

1298
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,079
to one twenty two, which is it's not a matter

1299
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:15,039
of if he moves up. It's just a matter of

1300
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:17,440
when he moves up. And it's similar in terms of

1301
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,039
in a way, it's not if he'll move the federally,

1302
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,280
it's when. So it strikes me that if they get

1303
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,840
through all this stuff I just mentioned and they fight

1304
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,320
each other in the first fight of next year, at

1305
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,559
that point they'll have plenty of time that I get

1306
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,039
a date for the Tokyo Dome. That will be a

1307
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:32,199
gargantuan fight. But the reason I'm setting all this up

1308
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,960
is because at this dinner where they were at this

1309
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,360
awards galap that's put on every year by the Japanese

1310
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,800
Boxing Comision, where in a way was voted once again

1311
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,599
the Japanese boxer of the year. When he got up

1312
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:46,639
to make his remarks accepting the award, he said, he

1313
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,400
challenged Nakatani was sitting and you know it was there

1314
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:53,159
also said, and this was remarks that were translated from Japanese,

1315
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,840
let's let's explode Japanese boxing at the Tokyo Dome next year,

1316
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,440
Knakatani got up, went over to in a way, shook

1317
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,840
his hand and took pictures together, and he said, let's

1318
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,480
do it. So the two fighters are on board. They

1319
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:10,239
share a promotional outfit who was already talked about doing

1320
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,519
the fight. It's a it's just a massive event for

1321
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,519
the country of Japan. It's a great fight for boxing.

1322
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,440
It's a great fight in the ring. Two talented punchers,

1323
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,920
two fearless guys. Two guys have been fighting good competition.

1324
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:28,400
They're not worried about, you know, losing their zero if

1325
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,119
they lose. It's a legacy kind of fight. It's, you know,

1326
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:32,440
in a way, is already going to be a Hall

1327
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,480
of famer. Nakatani is making his case. Obviously he wins.

1328
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:38,199
That's a humongous thing. I just adored this fight. I

1329
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,280
know I've said in the past my preference would be

1330
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,079
to see na Katani against Bam Rodriguez first. But I

1331
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:47,199
can't be upset about the prospect of a fight between Nakatani.

1332
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:48,920
In a way, it's an awesome fight if it happens.

1333
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:51,639
Speaker 1: And I said chicken dinner, maybe it was eel, maybe

1334
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:53,559
it was sushi. I don't know what they served at

1335
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:54,320
the fighter.

1336
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't get the menu.

1337
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bud, you did get the translation. So

1338
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,960
good on staying on that about the monster and Nakatani

1339
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,039
likely next year in the Tokyo Dome.

1340
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: What an awesome fucking time.

1341
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

1342
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: We got time to ramp up.

1343
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,119
Speaker 2: If I'm ever gonna make a trip to Japan, that

1344
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,559
might be the one I might sing it right now,

1345
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,159
says to me. My son says. My son is very

1346
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,360
interested to travel, and he said to me on a

1347
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,960
multiple of occasions he wants to go to Japan. That

1348
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:21,639
might be the one.

1349
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: I have to go to Rayfield and Rayfield headed to

1350
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,440
the Tokyo Dome. Stay tuned on that, all right. One

1351
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:31,239
piece of business left, and that is nostalgia. It is

1352
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,960
this weekend, on Final four weekend that is now going

1353
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:38,960
to be the thirty A thirty eighth Rayfield Anniversary April sixth,

1354
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:43,880
nineteen eighty seven of Sugar Ray Leonard's monumental upset of

1355
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,800
Marvin Hagler to win the middleweight world title coming out

1356
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,079
of a long retirement. You and I are obviously long

1357
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:55,320
in the bag for Sugar Ray Leonard. We talked about this.

1358
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:59,960
It's well known. You and I likewise believe that, even

1359
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:03,000
though some think it's controversial, he won this fight. It's

1360
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:05,360
amazing to go back and relive the nostalgia. All right,

1361
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,280
So give a little bit of background, and then I'm

1362
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,320
going to pose something that you and I are going

1363
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,960
to debate that's a little different beyond this fight. But

1364
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:17,519
let's go back in time to after again. We're coming

1365
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:20,760
up on the fortieth anniversary of Hagler. Hearns by the way,

1366
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,719
that's happened. Marvin is taking a year off. He actually

1367
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,760
had an injury. He's beaten John the Beast Mugabi in

1368
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,199
nineteen eighty six. This is his next fight and it

1369
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,639
turns out to be his final fight of his career.

1370
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,519
Wax nostalgic about Sugar Ray Leonard. Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

1371
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:40,559
Speaker 2: First of all, great fight, one of the biggest events

1372
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:43,199
in the history of boxing. I mean, it was the fight.

1373
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:46,880
It was the culmination of the four Kings that they

1374
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,360
had been fighting each other. I mean, yes, there was

1375
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:53,760
other fights that followed, you know, certainly the Duran Leonard

1376
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,000
was a Duran Leonard three. And if I'm not mistaken,

1377
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:57,880
Leonard versus.

1378
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,039
Speaker 1: Up that after that one ride, right that the both came.

1379
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,760
One came in eighty nine and the other one came

1380
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,039
in nineteen ninety, I believe, right.

1381
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:08,559
Speaker 2: So so the Four Kings nine fights were not totally

1382
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:11,519
over yet because, like I said, Ray still had other fights,

1383
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:14,599
but this was really the last of the new fights

1384
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:18,239
that had to happen, uh for for that, you know,

1385
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,480
for uh, for the the round robin to be complete.

1386
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:22,239
Speaker 4: Uh.

1387
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: And there had been so much conversation about this fight

1388
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,440
for years. Hagler wanted it and Ray kept kind of

1389
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:30,719
playing around with him, and they talked about this fight

1390
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,639
for years and years, I mean, as a matter of fact.

1391
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:36,360
And when Sugar Ray Leonard first won the wealthweight title

1392
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,440
against Benitez in nineteen was it in nineteen seventy nine, right,

1393
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,599
it was Marvin Hagler in the first fight against Antifarmo

1394
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,639
on the undercard where he fought for the middleweight title

1395
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:48,000
for the first time. I got a draw. So they

1396
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:51,639
were featured on ABC and Hagler was the co feature

1397
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,559
and Ray was the main event, and that was a

1398
01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:56,280
thought even back in nineteen seventy nine and down the

1399
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,880
road they would fight each other and once.

1400
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:00,239
Speaker 1: What we should also point out is Ray was such

1401
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:03,159
a megastar. When you go back and watch the documentary

1402
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:06,199
that Showtime did the four part documentary on the Four Kings,

1403
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:09,880
Ray Leonard as a brand new world champion fighting for

1404
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,519
a world championship that night made like five times or

1405
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:15,880
maybe even seven or eight times the money that Marvin

1406
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,719
Hagler made him. What Hagler understood is I got to

1407
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,039
find a way to get in the ring with Ray

1408
01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:23,559
Leonard to make serious, significant money. And the chase began

1409
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:27,360
in seventy nine, nineteen seventy ninety.

1410
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,239
Speaker 2: Took years when Ray was off in his retirement. Marvin

1411
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,239
did great because he had the Duran fight. He had

1412
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,800
a huge money fight against right against Tommy Hearns. But

1413
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,960
the thing about it is so just put it in

1414
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,599
perspective about the length of time that Ray had been

1415
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,159
out of the ring. He wins the undisputed. He becomes

1416
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:45,119
the undisputed welterweight champion against Tommy Hearns in eighty one,

1417
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:47,960
and their fantastic, legendary first fight stops him in the

1418
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:51,840
fourteenth round. He then has one defense against Bruce Finch

1419
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:55,400
in early nineteen eighty two. He has the retina injury.

1420
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:58,400
He retires. That's in like February of eighty two. He

1421
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,559
comes out of retirement May of eighty four, two years

1422
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:04,000
plus he's been out of the ring. He fights Kevin

1423
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,519
Howard in a non title fight, just a ten rounder.

1424
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,519
He gets knocked down. He looks atrocious. He's like, okay,

1425
01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:11,840
he's done. He goes back in the retirement, so he's

1426
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:14,800
he's looked bad. Even though he got the win ninth

1427
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,519
round knockout against Howard May of eighty four. Retired, now

1428
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,719
done right, people are still clamoring for the fight. He

1429
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,719
comes out of retirement and for the fight against Hagler.

1430
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,079
So from May of eighty four last time he's in

1431
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,400
the ring to April of eighty seven, so almost you know,

1432
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,840
it's three years. Yes, he's been out of the ring,

1433
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,000
and he it's not like he was active before that.

1434
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:37,880
And he's also by the way moving up to weight divisions.

1435
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,559
Marvin Hagler, meanwhile, is like the dominating middleweight champion of

1436
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,119
the world, the badass of badass. He's been in the

1437
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:46,719
war with Hearns, He's been in a lot of tough fights,

1438
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,760
but he's still a dominating Champion's making his twelfth defense.

1439
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:53,039
He had the fight with Mugabi. You mentioned that sugar RYE.

1440
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:55,679
Leonard's that ring side for that fight. As the legend goes,

1441
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,039
and by the way, I've said this a thousand times.

1442
01:05:58,159 --> 01:05:59,599
If you want to know the history of not only

1443
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:01,679
this fight, but the Four Kings in general, do yourself

1444
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,199
a favor and go and buy the great George Kimball

1445
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:06,079
book called The Four Kings, and it recounts all this

1446
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:08,599
stuff I'm talking about. I've read the book a thousand times.

1447
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,199
Ray was sitting their ringside at the Hagler Mgabi fight,

1448
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,960
and it was there where he decided that he so

1449
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,599
called saw something, if you will, and now was the

1450
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:21,000
time to strike and to end the retirement and fight

1451
01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:21,320
the guy.

1452
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: So whatever he tell you what he saw, if I

1453
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:26,119
can interject, he saw him in a war with Tommy Hearns,

1454
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,320
and that Mugabi fight was a war because mcgaby took

1455
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,960
all of his best shots and was firing back on him.

1456
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,280
But again, it's remarkable, and you and I can be

1457
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,840
considered biased. He comes out of a three year retirement

1458
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,320
against a guy that most people believed was indestructible as

1459
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,000
the Middleway champ and Sugar Ray Leonard out Box Team

1460
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:45,679
out at Fox Team and beat him.

1461
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: First of all, I am not biased because I'm a

1462
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,760
huge Marvin Hagler fan also, so I love both of

1463
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,239
them dearly. So when I say I think that Ray

1464
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,840
won the fight, I don't say that with any shred

1465
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,800
of bias towards Ray over Hagler because I adore both

1466
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,719
of them. But look, I've watched that fight numerous times.

1467
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:07,480
It was a masterful performance. Ray was very intelligent in

1468
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:10,159
the way it was negotiated. It was a twelve round fight,

1469
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,320
not a fifteen round fight. Ray had, you know, got

1470
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,960
the size of the ring he wanted a little bit

1471
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,119
larger than not it was within regulation, but you know,

1472
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:21,599
I think it was a little bit bigger. But as

1473
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:23,559
he got everything that he wanted and Hager just wanted

1474
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:25,480
to fight and so but Ray was a you know,

1475
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,159
Ray was a very shrewd business person, very calculated in

1476
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:31,960
the way he did his deals in many ways reminiscent

1477
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,559
of the way that Mayweather did his deals. But you know,

1478
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,480
he always got the results in soded Floyd. So it

1479
01:07:36,599 --> 01:07:39,599
was a fantastic fight. He had a great game plan.

1480
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:42,159
But the thing that people have to remember is coming

1481
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:44,639
off of that layoff, coming off of how horrible he

1482
01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:47,559
looked against Howard, people thought he was going to die

1483
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,760
in the ring. I mean, the only thing I can

1484
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,119
think of in my time of covering boxing that had

1485
01:07:52,159 --> 01:07:56,679
the similar thought from media and fans, but the script

1486
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,199
was completely flipped was when Oscar de la Hoya fought

1487
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,119
Nanny Packyow. When that fight got made, that was a

1488
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,920
death match. Oscar was gonna literally kill Paki in the ring.

1489
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,599
There was like a movement in the Philippines to like

1490
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,639
not let him fight the fight Pacyao because they didn't

1491
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,800
want their national treasure to be mortally wounded. Okay, I'm

1492
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,279
not joking when I say that, right, So I understand

1493
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:20,880
how that goes. And obviously pak Ya went in the

1494
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,720
ring and absolutely annihilated Oscar and sent him to retirement. Now,

1495
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,199
Ray did not annihilate Marvin Hagler Marvin was in the fight,

1496
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,279
but it was a close fight, and but he won

1497
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:32,760
seven rounds. I've scored that fight ten thousand times. I

1498
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,640
come up with the same score every single time. I

1499
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,720
actually TJ this may not be a popular opinion. I

1500
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,359
don't think it's that hard to a fight to score

1501
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:40,520
to be quite hot.

1502
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: Well, especially especially when the fight begins with Leonard being

1503
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,319
busier connecting with the lead right hand connecting with the jab,

1504
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,920
and even on the announced team gil Clancy is filling

1505
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,079
in on the HBO call I don't remember that with

1506
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,119
h yeah, with Barry Tompkins, and Gil Clamsey is the

1507
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:59,880
one saying to Barry Tompkins, I don't understand what Marvin

1508
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:03,079
is doing here. He is giving away round after round

1509
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:04,800
at the beginning of the fight, like in the fourth round.

1510
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:07,520
That's what Gil Clancy says on the PLAYBOFF.

1511
01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:12,079
Speaker 2: Now, so Marvin, you know, he did lose I think

1512
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,920
easily the first four rounds and and then you know, okay,

1513
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,199
you can make that up obviously, but he didn't exactly

1514
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:20,399
look like, you know, he was gonna go out there

1515
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:21,960
and knock him out or anything like that. Never came

1516
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,800
really close to knocking him out. And sugar Ray. Leonard

1517
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,079
had the master game plan. He won the event. Now

1518
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:28,680
people will say a lot of people were sort of

1519
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,039
swayed because Marvin was supposed to knock him out so early.

1520
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,159
And when you look up and it's like the sixth round,

1521
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:35,319
the seventh round, the eighth round, and Ray still not

1522
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:38,000
only standing there, but he's actually doing pretty well. You

1523
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:39,880
maybe you're a biased to lean towards him. And they

1524
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,880
had the whole thing where, you know, he had told

1525
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,479
his quarterman, Angelo Dundee, when we get you know, and

1526
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,439
he had one of his guys in the corner when

1527
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,479
we get to thirty seconds left, you know, shout it

1528
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,399
out or hit the do something. So I know they

1529
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,119
had come up with a plan. So we know there's

1530
01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:54,800
about thirty seconds to go in the round, and then

1531
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,800
he would really turn it on and the judges, and

1532
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,880
that's not unusual the judges.

1533
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,039
Speaker 1: He got that from Muhammad Ali and Dundee helped work

1534
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:05,439
with him on the last impression with the judges. And

1535
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,760
you saw Leonard put together flurry after flurry at the

1536
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,600
end of rounds doing that, and he just.

1537
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: Did a brilliant job. And Hagler had been a little

1538
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,039
diminished by what had occurred in the Mogabi fight and

1539
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:18,359
maybe some other tough fights before that, but the fact

1540
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:20,319
that Ray could get himself in that kind of condition

1541
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,760
and come back after that kind of layoff, take the

1542
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,600
punches that he took from Marvin and outbox this man.

1543
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,359
It is truly one of the I mean, I'm not

1544
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,479
saying it's the greatest fight in the history of the world,

1545
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,039
but in terms of my personal enjoyment of a fight,

1546
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,840
the event, the action, the story, the rivalry, how long

1547
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,800
it took to get the controversy, everything about this fight.

1548
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,479
I absolutely love. I love it, love what I love.

1549
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: And the hair of the back of my neck is

1550
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,920
stand up right now, because again I'm unabashed. I was

1551
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,960
such a sugar Ray Leonard fan before I became a

1552
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:57,319
media member. I was never a Marvin Hagler fan. And again,

1553
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:59,680
you got to appreciate people, because we've talked about this before.

1554
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,119
This is not on pay per view. It didn't exist really.

1555
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:08,479
It was satellite TV, ballrooms, theaters, movie theaters, go close circuit,

1556
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,239
go buy go, buy a ticket and go watch the

1557
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:13,479
closed circuit of the fight and then later watch the

1558
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,000
HBO replay. But I still remember hearing on the radio

1559
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,479
that night. I'm up late night as a junior in

1560
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,920
high school that Sugar Ray Leonard breaking news. You know,

1561
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,000
a couple of quick sentences, Sugar Ray Leonard has won

1562
01:11:26,039 --> 01:11:28,560
the world middleweight title fight with Marvin Hagler, and I

1563
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,720
like screamed out in my house running around with no

1564
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,720
video and ESPN's kind of in its primitive games.

1565
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,359
Speaker 2: They're showing the photos.

1566
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,039
Speaker 1: They're showing the still photos the whole bit. Way what

1567
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:41,680
a moment in between rounds. Go back and watch this,

1568
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,640
peeps at the end of the eleventh round, which I

1569
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,960
believe Sugar Ray Leonard wins the eleventh round of the fight.

1570
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,319
They can since they've won the fight. In the corner

1571
01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:51,319
they if he can last the twelfth round, they've won

1572
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:54,439
the fight. And Richard Steele comes over as the referee

1573
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,359
and says, last round of the fight, and Angelo Dundee says,

1574
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,000
you bet new world champion and right here and Leonard

1575
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:03,840
let's go off the stool and puts his hands up,

1576
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:08,000
and everybody's going crazy because the mentality was we're gonna

1577
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:09,159
win this fight right here on.

1578
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:16,359
Speaker 2: Decision outdoor Caesar's y Vegas, huge event. Uh, they made

1579
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,840
crazy amounts of money for this fight for the times.

1580
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:24,960
I mean the amount of money was just gigantic. Ah It, No,

1581
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,560
there's no fight that even compares in this day and

1582
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,439
age to this kind of fight. I understand that we've

1583
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,960
seen big meg events, and I obviously covered fights like

1584
01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:36,039
Mayweather pack Ow and I mean that was obviously gargantuan,

1585
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,439
but this was just off the charts.

1586
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this scene was so much more mainstream. This

1587
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,960
is a front page of the newspapers, lead story on

1588
01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:46,159
the national news.

1589
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 2: The first of all, people should also know this was

1590
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,119
no Saturday night fight like we're used today, like a

1591
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:55,199
Monday or Tuesday night in Vegas. I mean, I remember

1592
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:59,359
when I was getting ready, I was I was I'll

1593
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:01,359
digress for a quick minute, when when Oscar de la

1594
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:04,000
Hoya was getting ready to fight Bernard Hopkins and Oscar

1595
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:06,720
was fighting him and was at the time it was

1596
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,079
going to be the first ever four belt unification fight

1597
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:11,399
at middleweight, And I was working at USA Today and

1598
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,359
I was writing an extensive piece about this event before

1599
01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:16,960
I was going to travel to Vegas the fight, and

1600
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:19,239
we were talking about this with my editor, like what

1601
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,159
is it compared to? And there was a lot of

1602
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:25,760
similarities between that match and Ray against Hagler, where Hopkins

1603
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,680
was like the Hagler figure, the guy that had never

1604
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,119
gotten the respect, who had come up the hard way,

1605
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:32,680
who had to make his name by fighting some guys

1606
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,600
that had come up in wait that were bigger stars

1607
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:38,640
like Hearns, like Leonard, the same way Hopkins had done

1608
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,000
against guys like Trinidad. And now he was fighting Oscar

1609
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:44,119
and obviously Bernard Hopkins's idol was Marvin Hagler. That was

1610
01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:47,640
well established. Anyhow, So as I'm doing my research, I'm

1611
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,880
preparing to write the piece, and I've done the interviews

1612
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,520
with Oscar, and I've done the interviews with, you know,

1613
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,800
with Bob Aram who was the promoter of both fights

1614
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,039
between Hopkins and Packett as well as Hagler and Leonard

1615
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:02,600
and I and I'd to also talk to Bernard. Anyway,

1616
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,520
I was going through the USA Today like our library,

1617
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,039
like looking at the not that i was looking on

1618
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:10,960
the microfilm or whatever it was, and I'm reading some

1619
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:14,439
of the real time accounts that were in the newspaper

1620
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,079
at USA Today of their coverage of Hagler versus Leonard.

1621
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,039
Not only was it on the front page, they actually

1622
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:25,079
sent multiple writers to cover the fight. Now, I worked

1623
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:27,920
for USA Today for five years and covered boxing, and

1624
01:14:28,039 --> 01:14:30,720
I covered a shitload of fights. And I don't know

1625
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,560
if maybe but one time, and I don't remember what

1626
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,960
might have been an Oscar fight that my colleague, one

1627
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,159
of the columnists they had sent to cover the fight

1628
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:39,720
with me and I did the main stuff and he

1629
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wrote a couple of comps. But that just shows you

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01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:44,520
how big it was that and it wasn't as USA Today,

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the AP, the New York Times, all the big papers

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in the whole country, La Times, you name it. They

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didn't just send a writer, they sent a whole team

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01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:55,560
of people. This was on the same level as a

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01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,239
Super Bowl, as the World Series, as the Olympics. That's

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how fucking big this was.

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Speaker 1: It was a big deal, there is no doubt. And

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it was now good Lord thirty eight years ago and

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01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:11,359
Marvin Hagler never fought again as Sugar Ray Leonard won

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,760
that night. Leonard did fight on, as you mentioned, including

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01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,560
fighting Duran a third time, including rematching Thomas Hearns and

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01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,680
then fighting and we've talked about the anniversaries of these fights,

1643
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,560
fighting a couple of fights with Terry Norris, and Hector

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,640
Camacho that he should not have fought such as life

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01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:26,159
as he fought on. But Hagler never fought again.

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01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: What did you want to debate? You want to say,

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01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:28,159
you want a debate.

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01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:31,359
Speaker 1: Quick debate. We've never debated this, you and me? Okay,

1649
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,720
who do you hold responsible that we didn't see this again?

1650
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:41,079
Leonard or Hagler? Did? I believe that if Hagler had

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01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:43,880
some time to stew and had gotten the right financial offer,

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01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,000
he would have done it. Ray was always elusive with

1653
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:49,920
rematches after he won the fight. He took forever to

1654
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:53,760
give Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns rematches years, years and

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,399
years and years. So I kind of hold Ray a

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01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:58,960
little more responsible that this never happened again. Do you disagree?

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01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 2: I totally disagree. And I say that because A Bob

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01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:06,079
Aram offered the Marvin the rematch and he didn't want it.

1659
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,479
And uh Seth Abraham, who was the at the time,

1660
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,720
the boss of HBO Sports, who was obviously very involved

1661
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,840
in making these matches and you know, dealing with everything

1662
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,479
related to pay per view and their broadcasts and all that,

1663
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,039
had been told that Marvin had told him that I'm

1664
01:16:22,079 --> 01:16:24,760
not fighting again. I'm done now. They made an offer.

1665
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,439
He said, no, Marvin, if you if you go by

1666
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,359
the the legend as it goes, never put gloves on again.

1667
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,760
He took the gloves off that night, left the ring,

1668
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,359
and never put boxing gloves on his hands ever again

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01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:36,960
for the rest.

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01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,199
Speaker 3: Of his life.

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01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, he passed away, you know, a couple of years ago.

1672
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,720
But uh, you know, Aaron says it never happened. Ray

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01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:45,600
was willing to fight him, supposedly according to Ray and

1674
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,640
his team, and uh and Seth said that because Marvin

1675
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,239
uh not only felt he got robbed the fight and

1676
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:52,760
it was never going to fight again. He never did,

1677
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,960
and he said there was The quote from Seth was

1678
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,520
something to the extent of, you know, we had conversations,

1679
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,680
but there was never like an actual negotiation. It was

1680
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,520
sort of like, are you before you can negotiate, you

1681
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,000
got to find out that two sides are interested, so

1682
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:07,960
that that conversation occurred about are you interested? And the

1683
01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:09,640
answer they came up with his note.

1684
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: And by the way, Marvin disappeared basically from public life.

1685
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,199
He met his second wife, married her, and moved to

1686
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,680
Italy and was not even living in the United States.

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01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,279
Speaker 2: He didn't really disappeared from public life in America for

1688
01:17:21,319 --> 01:17:23,439
the most part, but he started acting in movies in Italy.

1689
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was I mean, he was not around

1690
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,239
the big fights. He was not ever fighting again, and

1691
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,119
he did not he The.

1692
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 2: One thing he did do was every year he was

1693
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,920
always a guest at the Hall of Fame. He would

1694
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,079
always make the trip back to Canistota for the inductions.

1695
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:40,720
Were always one of the more popular figures. And I've

1696
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,720
said this before, I was one of the greatest things

1697
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,359
I ever got to do in my careers. When I

1698
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,079
was working at ESPN years ago and I was covering

1699
01:17:47,119 --> 01:17:49,840
Bernard Hopkins against Winkie Wright. I was out in Las

1700
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,560
Vegas for the week to cover the fight, but I

1701
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,520
was also we were doing I guess there must have

1702
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,279
not been a lot going on at that time because

1703
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,640
they had we had a sports center crew to cover

1704
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,279
the fight. I was there with my boy Brian Kenny,

1705
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:02,159
who was doing you know, he was our host and

1706
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:04,199
I was like the second guy. But they brought in

1707
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,840
for those few days, brought in Marvin Hagler to be

1708
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,680
like our third guy. So I had the most awesome time.

1709
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,640
I spent like, you know, three days doing TV stuff

1710
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,840
with Marvin Hagler and hanging out with him at events,

1711
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,720
you know, and sitting in the arena watching the wigh

1712
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,279
in and doing this and that. That was one of

1713
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:21,119
the joys of my life was to meet Marvin Hagler

1714
01:18:21,119 --> 01:18:22,600
and hang out with him like that. What a great

1715
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,399
what a great time.

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01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,159
Speaker 1: Brockton, Massachusetts. He actually was born in Newark, New Jersey,

1717
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:32,079
but then adopted adopted in Brockton, Massachusetts. Marvin Hagler Sugar

1718
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:35,439
Ray Leonard nearly forty years old. By the way, we're

1719
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,359
coming up in about a week on the fortieth of

1720
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,600
Hagler hearns. Get ready for that. That was two years earlier.

1721
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:46,800
Fight with that full show, my friend the service, work

1722
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,039
with Boots in plenty of previews. My god fights everywhere

1723
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:55,680
from Australia to Vegas, to Kazakhstan and to England. All

1724
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,079
this weekend we will do our best to recap this.

1725
01:18:59,399 --> 01:19:01,399
I don't know what kind of mood you're gonna be

1726
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,520
in after the Duke game on Saturday night with Houston.

1727
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,359
I like your Blue Devils to win this game. Stay tuned.

1728
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,640
I will be in San Antonio at the Alamo Dome,

1729
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:13,640
Remember the Alamo. I will be there and then when

1730
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,840
the college basketball is done Saturday night, when all the

1731
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,119
fights are done Saturday, you and I will reconvene at

1732
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:20,560
some point off the weekend for the fight Freakching and

1733
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,000
I recap podcast. My friend you just made.

1734
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:25,159
Speaker 2: I got one thing I must add. It's not boxing related,

1735
01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:27,680
but I've covered several fights in San Antonio through the years,

1736
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:29,520
and the one thing that blew my mind is the

1737
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,520
first time I went to San Antonio. Like everybody, you

1738
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,199
gotta go see the Alamo, right because remember the Alamo

1739
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,960
the most striking thing in the history of the world

1740
01:19:37,079 --> 01:19:39,960
to me, somebody who has been all over the United

1741
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,680
States and even some international places. And I've tried to

1742
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,279
do some non boxing things when you're there, tour around,

1743
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,640
see the sights and stuff like that, because you're you

1744
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,600
got the opportunity while you're there if you can squeeze

1745
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,880
it in is going with some of the guys I

1746
01:19:53,079 --> 01:19:57,399
was with to the Alamo. Yep, A it like is

1747
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,479
the size of like a fucking shack, correct ten b

1748
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,239
It's like Samwich between a fucking gas station.

1749
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: That's correct. Shopping plaza, Yes, there's a shopping plaza. Besides

1750
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,319
next to a gas station. I will try to get

1751
01:20:09,319 --> 01:20:11,640
a photo this weekend if I'm there by the Alamo,

1752
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,479
to prove exactly what you're saying on a selfie. I

1753
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,720
think you can fuel up and get your twinkies or

1754
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,479
whatever you need, your five hour energy. This legendary to

1755
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:22,560
the Alamo.

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01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: Legendary spot in American folklore and history of this country.

1757
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:31,560
Remember the Alamo, David to like a fucking Exxon station

1758
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,000
or whatever.

1759
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, I'll try to verify that

1760
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,039
this weekend. I'll have some enchiladas on your behalf and

1761
01:20:39,239 --> 01:20:41,520
let's go do Let's see what happened or go Gators

1762
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,319
in my part of the world. For Florida, Auburn and

1763
01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:45,199
Houston are in the basketball Final four. I'll be there

1764
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:48,079
in San Antonio. Dan, have a great weekend. By the way,

1765
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:51,119
you and I will reconvene on the bet Us Boxing show.

1766
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:54,199
We'll handicap some of these fights and then we're back

1767
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:56,520
with a preview off the weekend on this podcast feed.

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,479
For now, we are good, my Fred, have a good weekend.

1769
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,359
Thank you you too, Harris, Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ.

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01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,600
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