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Peaking Yona's show. Well, we delayed this one for a
little bit while I was dealing with some issues and
getting take taking some time off. I got Carl Dahl
and Stormy Waters here and I'm just going to let
them start talking. Probably Carl's going to kick this off,
and we are going to talk about some really really
crazy stuff that you may not have heard of when
it comes to the spiritual world, of the metaphysical world
and Asia. So Carl has spent time in Asia, He's
talked about that before, and we'll let him. Let him rip.
Speaker 2: Carl, Thanks Pete, Thanks Stormy. I'm glad that you're both
here to not only let me talk about my feelings
as it relates to this issue, but I think there's
a lot of really substantive conversations that can be had
or stirred up based on this topic and some things
that Stormy's talked about my experiences directly or semi indirectly
and learning about things that I saw like after the fact. Right, So,
as Peple pointed out, I did spend some time in
Southeast Asia in my youth, and I was learning the
language and working with working for an NGO that had
primarily you know, Europeans working for it, but then we
had some local fixers and everything, and I through this experience,
I had some really wacky exposure to things that I
then came home and learned more about kind of in
retrospect as well, you know, both from people who are
from the area specifically laos Maekong River and you know,
also talking to you know, priests and stuff about these topics,
because there's some wacky shit. So the first thing that
I'll point out is that metaphysically, like the foundational building
blocks of in all around the world are essentially the
same when it comes to the physical world. In the
spiritual world, I mean, there'll be different ways that things
are expressed, but fundamentally, there's nothing in this that isn't
explained through Christianity and Western conceptions, and there's nothing unique
in terms of like what you're dealing with in different
parts of the world. You're just seeing them through different
filters or you're having, for example, what I believe is
more encounters in areas where there is current frankly demon
worship as well as the recency of demon worship. So
like one of the explanations that we hear about the
New World being spoopier then European forests, for example, is
that Europe has been subdued. You have actual in both
the New World and in Europe. You have religious holidays
where the land is reclaimed for Christ and under his
power on a regular basis. This is done in cities
all around the New World, and particularly Catholic you know,
Spanish cities, they do these essentially reconsecrations. That protects you.
Church bells we've talked about pretty extensively. Church bells are
a demon repellent. You see this in Asia as well.
In Tibet you'll see those spinning prayer wheels and there's
bells and the explanation from the local practitioners of Buddhism,
and you know, everywhere things go. In Asia, it's a
little different because of syncretism. You know, you're dealing with
different aspects of different cultures, and so it's kind of
hard to know with the origin of a lot of
these things. But they do use bells in Asia to
repel evil spirits as well.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, the bells thing, specifically in Tibetan Buddhism right there,
they're actually udly enough called the same thing, all right,
So the bells out front of a monastery or a
church are called the same thing. They're both called sanctuary bells,
and they do exactly what Karl said.
Speaker 2: And it's really important to understand that. There's also an
interesting thing if you've spoken with less modernity poisoned missionaries
who've been around the world, and especially in the old
days when people when Christians were again just less poisoned
by modernity and less materialist in their mindset, you know,
despite their religion. You know, right now, when missionaries go
on these pointless missions, when you know, running around the
world with their telescopic you know, empathy and not taking
care of people right next door to them. You know,
it's so that they can have a trip, and it's
so that they can pat themselves on the back and say,
I'm just like these people that went into you know,
the outer reaches in the old days. You know, there's
some who are like doing it for the right reasons,
but I think we're very aware that there's many who
do not and are not if you talk to the
people that've been around for a while. And I heard
this all the time in the eighties and nineties in
my church, and I don't hear it anymore, which is bizarre.
But people used to constantly talk about dealing with evil spirits,
and now they kind of treat it like the materialists,
where they're like, oh, well, their explanation for these things
is evil spirits because they don't really understand it. It's like, no,
there are evil spirits out there. So let me get
to some real examples here. Before the modern era, probably
some point in the middle of the nineteenth century in
the Western world, a schizophrenic person was known to be
essentially possessed, mentally ill and possessed right, and there are
there are some very interesting write ups from psychiatrists who
are Christian and can interact with these people from this basis.
There's a really good four chan write up that the
screenshots are floating around out there that point to some
really good work on this subject. And it's identical to
what I heard as a kid growing up in my
church in the eighties and nineties from people who were
very devout, who fully believed that you're, you know, you're
dealing with you know, powers and principalities, and their mindset
is from that perspective, so that they can address from
all angles what they're dealing with with people with schizophrenia.
And I had the misfortune of a friend of mine,
my best friend in the world, going totally crazy when
you turned twenty one, with no hints, no information about it,
and he basically had this schizophrenic break. You know, they
would always describe it as bipolar, and then there's whatever
thirty some classes of sub bipolar iterations, but it's basically
paranoid schizophrenia where you're hearing voices that are something else,
that is something else someone else communicating with you. It's
not from you, and they're telling you to kill yourself.
For example, as our friend Clay Martin would call it,
it's the demon of suicide, right, even if we have
other names for this entity that can dwell in many others.
And before I went to Asia, the whole reason I'm
bringing this up is I had kind of fallen away
from the church essentially at this point, I was twenty one,
twenty two thinking, you know, I knew better. You know,
I know in my heart that this is true, but like,
I don't really like the direction things are going, so
I can, you know, go out on my own and
as long as I have this belief and you know,
my family and stuff to go back to. But I
was kind of not fully like getting the reinforcement that
I needed on a lot of these things. And I
went to visit my friend in a mental institution and
I was talking to him or his body, and behind
his eyes that wasn't him. There was a smirk and
there was a negative energy and when my when I
recognized what it was, and there there would have been
a flash of recognition in my face. It laughed at
me because it knew that I knew that there was
something else in there. And when his medication, you know,
the whole biochemical explanation, his medication would be, you know,
straight out so that he's more with it and has
more control over himself. He would tell me, he said,
they don't want to hear me talk about these as
other entities other than them being thoughts that aren't my
thoughts or their thoughts that I that I know I
shouldn't listen to. But they won't let me say what
it is because he's dealing with modern medicine, right, And
that scared the hell out of me. Frankly, that made
me say, Okay, this this whole all the stuff that
I learned about you know, as a child from my
grandparents in the church, like this is a real encounter
with these things. So flash forward, it doesn't go well
for him. He dies, I bail on America and I
take a job that will take me far away. And
so I was in Laos because I it was this
thing that was available. It was a simple it was
within my skill set to do this simple job and
just travel around and have no responsibilities for a while
other than just doing this job and kind of learning
and seeing a place that I had read about and
heard about since I was a kid, because I was
obsessed with the Vietnam War, as you would know if
you've listened to these seven or eight episodes I did
with with Thomas on the subject. So anyhow, it's it's
a very interesting, strange place because there's sheer like limestone
kars cliffs everywhere, and jungle constantly growing unless you're fighting
it back. And the people are extremely religious. Theravada Buddhism
is the is the formal name for the real you know,
the formal religion, but there is an animist thing layered
throughout that merges beautifully with Buddhism because Buddhism acknowledges all
these spirits that are out there and all these entities,
and they're just put into that. They use the the
language of Buddhism through poly script and terminology and naming
conventions for all of these things to explain it. And
before this the area had been Hinduized, and that was
to give a kind of formal pomp for the organization
of society. But these old things are still there, fortunately,
and you know, just kind of naturally, frankly, they can
be explained through Buddhist explanation. And I was out in
this village, in this very remote area, and at night
I was hearing I thought I heard drums one night,
and I asked someone in the morning and they were
far away, and it would have been around two or
three in the morning when this took place. And I
asked a host, I said, with someone playing? Are there
people who played drums late at night? And they all
kind of look at each other, and a guy basically says,
I wouldn't worry about it, you know, And then we
went to He thought it was a good idea that
my fixer guy to go see. He was talking to
some people and said, we're going to go see someone.
And so we go to this house and you climb
up the stilts and you take your sandals off and
leave them outside the door. I always wore Choco sandals
for my hyper tactical sandals. You don't wear boots because
the dust just gets everywhere. Boots are good, you know,
when you're working with heavy equipment everything like that. But
otherwise you're just going to be taking your boots and
socks and everything off constantly. You're gonna be really dirty.
So do what the locals do and where tech sandals basically.
And so we go to this place and the guy
that I'm with says, just sit here and I can
do the talking for you. And if you have questions,
you can ask me. But there's some areas I'll tell
you not to say anything. And so there's some ceremony
taking places is at night, and this man and his
it's two guys really, one is like an assistant. It
becomes very obvious they're lighting cigarettes and they're not like
conventional filtered cigarettes, but they're just hand rolls. And the
whole place is filled up with tobacco smoke very quickly.
And the guy leading this thing starts doing chance and
I'm like, okay, I recognize some of these things from
other ceremonies. And what it is is it's a It's
a version of what they call a bossi where they
pull they call the family spirits and the and the
guardians that watch over the family and the spirits in
the area to come to. Basically, there's the bossi version
as they give blessings. This one, it was a spirit
medium who wanted to check some things out. And he
starts asking me some questions and so I'm relaying them
through my guy, whose English is pretty good, but like
there's elements that he couldn't like fully translate that I
would have to talk to people back home, like Lao
who were settled here to get some full explanations. And
the guy starts saying, when you were a child, you
had bad dreams that all involved the same thing, and
you thought it was a person, but it wasn't. And
I knew immediately what he was talking about. And he said,
it is strong, and it's been with your family for
some time.
Speaker 3: May such cases, but.
Speaker 2: It will not carry on. It will not carry on.
And I was like, what does that mean? It will
not carry on? And he said it it's been too long,
so I was I explained this to our mutual friend
Philos and he said five generations, and I said, that's
very that's very interesting that you bring that up, because
that's in line with what this fellow was talking about.
So let me. Let me explain what it was, because
this is cropped up elsewhere. When I was a little kid,
I had these recurring nightmares until I was in like
third or fourth grade, and I wouldn't say anything about
it until one day I told my mom, I have
I have this dream. And it's like an old witch
or something dressed in black, and it's a misty area
and it's all green with no trees, like rolling like
the moors, like from movies that I've seen as a child.
I've never been to the UK, but it looks like that.
And I see her from far away and she's cackling
and it zooms up and she's like right in my face.
And my mother's eyes go wide and she says nothing,
and then she says, you just have to pray, and
if this happens again, call on the name of Jesus Christ.
And so she gave a recognition that this sounded familiar.
I asked her about it later, and she kind of
played it off like I don't remember that conversation. Maybe
she did because I asked her much later. However, this
spirit medium proceeds to explain to me precisely what I
just described to you all, and he said, it's an
old spirit that attached to your family, and it's still
attached to you, but like by a thread, and that
thread will break. And so I was like the next generation.
So the interesting thing is, I asked my kids, you know,
twenty some years later, do you ever have like recurring nightmares?
Because you guys weren't really kids that had nightmares, you know.
I remember a handful when they were very little. But
and my you know, I explain it, and both of
my kids just look like, I have no idea what
you're talking about. So it's very interesting because the spirit
medium recognized it. And another person who recognized it is
my mother in law when she first met me and
my folks, when my wife and I became a formal
thing to the whole family. My mother in law, who
is a spooky country Baptist, said to my wife, this
is very interesting. They're very nice people, and they're genuine
and they're good, but there's an old spirit attached to them,
and I think you should ask your husband about it,
well whatever fiance at the time, So we talked about
it and uh, and then I told them about this
experience and she was just like, huh interesting. And when
I say spooky country Baptist, think of like the Foxfire
series and the the old women telling stories about like
when you go into the woods, if you hear a voice,
don't don't answer and get out of there. You know
that that kind of that kind of spooky country Baptist.
So uh, it was. It was a very very interesting
moment that made me just realize the continuity between all
these things. And it was I basically explained right there
to my my guy and he and they're all just
nodding like, yeah, okay, that's that's totally normal. And it's
because you have those conversations here and very few people
are going to be receptive to a conversation of that type.
So that's that storyline.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say very few, I would I would say
like almost none. And I think before I started talking
about it, I don't know if anybody was on like
on our side of things, but I think it's impossible, Like,
I think it's very unwise to not have these conversations
because of basically what we what we have to deal with,
and the medium of technology is actually quite a bit
of a force multiplier, which means we should be doubly
concerned about it. It's funny. Would you would you describe
these dreams as being awake but unable to move? Would
this old woman sit at the edge of your bed?
Speaker 2: That happened one time?
Speaker 3: You? Usually?
Speaker 2: Yeah, usually it was not the.
Speaker 3: Case in your room.
Speaker 2: It would be, yes, it would be, or it would
be I'd be in this other world and then I
would wake up. But but what what happened is I
would wake up and I would be, you know, frozen
in bed and exhausted. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Wait so no, so you'd wake up and you'd be
frozen in bed and.
Speaker 2: Quite often, not always, but quite often, Yeah, and I
would feel like we're still there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, awake and unable to move yep. And it being
in your room yep. Many such cases.
Speaker 2: But my mother was correct, because that's how I got
it to stop, is I would pray about it every.
Speaker 3: Night, and it's it's who's authority exactly it's all about authority.
Speaker 2: In the name of Jesus Christ be gone, and I
had had other.
Speaker 3: Truth, And truly I tell you, I tell you that
anything I am going to my father, and the Father
shall glorify the son, and anything you ask of me
in my name. It's very funny because you basically have
to people don't think that these that authority matters. It
matters to these things quite a bit. If you dare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't have authority, and if you don't
actually believe you can say these things. And if you
don't actually believe, it might not work out so well
for you. It doesn't that you best start believing.
Speaker 3: Truly, truly, if you have faith in me the size
of a pee, you can look over at this mountain
and say, mountain, go jump in the sea and the
mountain we'll do it. Paraphrasing. Yeah, yeah, it's faith. You
have to believe that the thing that you are calling
upon has the power to do it and also has
the authority to do it. Right. It's about intention. It
doesn't matter what words you say, right, because words don't
matter these things, like it doesn't have ears, right. It's
like when you looked upon your friend right, and then
you realized it. You didn't say any words, like it
was not looking at your face. It does not have eyeballs, right, correct,
you knew, and then it knows if you don't believe,
it doesn't do anything. They're just words. They don't matter, right,
It's the intention behind it that matters. And the reason
that I was able to guess how your dreams happened
is because that is a funny enough something that I
get talked to about rather frequently. I guess I've become
like the lightning rod for guys in our thing to
tell me about stuff like this that they haven't told
me buddy about before. And the old woman particularly is
one that is a reoccurring thing. This, Uh, the Jews
call it like it's like it's Lilith, right, it's it's
the Yes, she's also a real problem for like you
knows how she does. She doesn't come around when you're old.
They only she only cares about babies. Yeah, I mean,
And this is something that the Babylonians were describing six
thousand years ago, right, like these things never went away, right,
but with the Church had a methodology for exerting power
over them and making them relent, and we've lost that.
It's been completely drummed out of people's consciousness, even so
much that the clergy doesn't even know basically that its
job is a post is not just to like, they
don't they think that that shepherding the faithful means that, oh,
I make sure you're a good person, and I make
sure like you do this, or you don't, like leave
the church whatever. Like No, that's that's a portion of
what it means. But even a lot of the clergy,
outside of their relationship with Christ, the rest of their
worldview is a materialist one, yes, And they're actually supposed
to be the ones guarding, like you know, shepherding in
the literal sense, protecting them from wolves, and that aspect
is kind of lost and is to say it hasn't
had a detrimental effect on our society would be an understatement,
because our collective enemy, like I talked about with Pete
and Filo, not only believes these things are real, but
has spent the better part of a thousand years compiling
the knowledge of how to you know, entice transact with
these things to make them do what they want in exchange,
of course, but generally that's a price that they, you know,
aren't paying themselves, but we end up paying for So basically,
the church at scale has forgotten that these things exist
and that it's that their job is to protect people
from them or give them the tools to protect themselves.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. The other the other team that transaction, which
we can get into later.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but real quick about the about your mom
or sorry, your mom and your stepmom. Does your step
mom have green eyes.
Speaker 2: My mother in law? No, no blue.
Speaker 3: Eyes or green eyes amber amber. Yeah, okay, so that's
even rarer. Everybody thinks that like blue eyes are like
super rare. It's actually greens and ambers that are the rarest.
There seems to be a type of But there's another
popular guy in our sphere who also had the same
dream repetitively, and the only person in the family that
was kind of aware of what was up was the grandmother.
Mom not so much because that type of that instinct
usually skips a generation. And I asked him. I was like, okay,
so like, what about you know, cousins, And he's like, well,
all of you know, because that would be two generations.
All the ladies are insane, they you know, clinically they
think that, you know, they're diagnosed with like bipolar or
schizophrenya or whatever, but that's actually not what's happening, right, Like,
their grandmother existed in a time where there was a
framework for the gift that they I shouldn't say gift
because it's.
Speaker 2: Not you often don't want to see these things.
Speaker 3: Now, it's pretty fucking terrible, and at least in the
grandmother's generation, a framework existed to where not only she
could grapple with this in a way that wasn't you know,
going to make her insane, but actually use it to
protect the family. Right. So unfortunately the daughters and well sorry,
the granddaughters have basically been given the same gift and
instead of them using it, like as women always have
a better sense of this than men, no matter whether
they you know, have the gift or not. A woman
is like half in our world and half out. But
the and the thing that you know they inherited is
basically being numbed out of their brain and they are
they have been convinced that they are, you know, mentally defective.
It seems like it was a sense that we in
our previous times, when the world was a lot less
advanced served a very important purpose, right like evolutionarily to
where like you know, anyways, go on, I didn't mean
to interrupt.
Speaker 2: No, No, I think that's all. That's all a good
you know, reinforcement of what we're talking about, and the
fact that a lot of this has been lost that
I wouldn't have been befuddled by these things one hundred
and fifty years ago, two hundred years ago. Right. Let
me just tell a very quick story. When I was
a kid, a kid who grew up in my I
grew up in church with in the late seventies, uh
had to have an exorcism, And I grew up in
a non denominational evangelical church that was very Lutheran informed,
like in terms of the doctrine and everything. It was
almost completely Lutheran in terms of you know, the seminaries
and everything that there. Where this flows from ethnic you
know Pacific Northwest, you know Ethnics that are blended Anglo,
you know, Germanic basically everybody. And this was a very
serious thing to where they had to get a Catholic
priest who specialized in this to deal with it, because again,
you know, your average pastor is is able to recognize
what's or should be able to recognize what's taking place,
doesn't necessarily know how to deal with it in an
extreme case, in a way that everyone will get through
this without being hurt, right, And that was the big concern.
That he was very young when this happened. I want
to say, three or four years old, Uh, maybe five.
And moving forward, he's completely stable and did very well.
And all these other kids they grew up with him,
because ten years later, why would you take that seriously? Right,
it's like the late eighties, Like why would you why
would you think that that would be a concern that
you can't just deal with with like treatment or sending
them to you know, uh, what is it or whatever?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And so when kids would have get into
trouble and get into drugs and stuff, like tons of
these kids are schizos now because they were just like, oh, well,
we'll send them to this like you know, out bounds
program or whatever, instead of dealing with it in the way,
you know, in a real religious fashion.
Speaker 3: Yep. So the Catholic predis tell me how that went.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know a ton about it, but
it was all I know is it was an ordeal.
They tried to deal with it with this incident, because
again I was very young. I would have been three
or four, and I only remembered I remember hearing about
it when I was really young and having like a
twenty minute conversation with his father about it when I
was in high school, because I it was right before
we were all graduating, and I wanted to ask him
because he was a great guy who was an elder.
My dad and him were elders in the church, and
I just was like, I remember this, Can I ask
you some questions about it? Or is it too uncomfortable?
And he very openly talked about it, and yeah, they
had to get a Catholic priest that was I think
he came from even from out of state to do it.
Speaker 3: This is the really sad thing about it, is so
like the Catholic Church, which is one of the I mean,
it's my confessional heritage. But one of the things that
brought me back to the Catholic Church is because and
you know, my journey through mysticism, which you know, comprised
like a bulk of my formative you know, adult years
thinking about you know, spirituality. I hate that word. Yeah,
was in that framework. So the Catholic Church really was
the only one that had the language to address what
I already knew existed, and it basically allowed me to,
you know, have a dialogue with my faith in the
way that like I am reading about things that I
have experienced, it is describing things as I have experienced them. It,
you know, it was basically talking to me. But the
Catholic Church used to have, you know, because the other
thing is that the fact that you were able to
find an exorcist is a blessing, right. There used to
be hundreds of them, because an exorcist is is sanctioned
directly by the Pope, right like they're they're they're like
a separate thing. Like they're not, you know, preaching to
the congregation. This is what they do. This is the
necessary service that they perform in the.
Speaker 2: World spiritual special forces and the doctrine that they like.
Speaker 3: The tools at their disposal are tools accumulated over you know,
fifteen hundred years, and it's not an easy thing, all right.
So there used to be more of them, and now
I think there's only like I don't know the exact number.
I have a friend that lives in Vatican City that
told me it's like less than twenty Wow for the world.
Think about that in a time where we are like
that's great, exactly, like when Satan's actually on the march. Now,
like we have the least amount of exorcists and the
process is not like easy. It's not like you just
like wave some holy water around. I urge anyone that's
listening to search the exorcism of Roland Doe. Doe, all right,
it's an It's the exorcism that the movie The Exorcist
is based on. And that's by this way, the movie,
for as scary as it was, whatever, is a sanitized
version of what actually happened, right, it's a much more
mild version. And this was witnessed by over one hundred
people because of who the family was, right as the
upper crust of Saint Louis, Missouri society. So they had
access to the best doctors in the state, the best
psychiatrist in the state, right, the best of everything, and
boy did they try all of them. So the amount
of you know, medical professionals that witnessed what was happening
made it something that's not really disputable, so much so
that the cross used in the exorcism is in the
Lewis Museum, like today, it's a very real thing, like
this isn't a fucking nan Joe or it's not like
a matter of faith, like oh I don't believe in that, Like, well, sorry,
it believes in you.
Speaker 2: Interesting. It took and it's wow.
Speaker 3: Two weeks, thirteen fourteen hours a day. It took two exorcists.
Speaker 2: This this kid's was I know, it was an ordeal,
and it took it took months to get it to
where they had the right person come out, and it
took multiple days.
Speaker 3: Yep, wild I wish that happened to your I wish
that happened to your your friend growing up.
Speaker 2: I know exactly. I know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: What was he doing right prior to this? You know,
I went in too.
Speaker 2: What I can say is that he did psychedelics before
he was eighteen, which is not a good thing people
out there. That's a very that's very bad.
Speaker 3: Happy to explain why if anyone wants to reach out
to me, like, oh no, I've had great experience with this, Like, yes,
that is possible, but unless you acknowledge the possibility, unless
you were reading the warning label on the back of
the fucking box and you understand the risk, then don't
put it in your body.
Speaker 2: And the one of the unfortunate things is that we
then found out later, like after everything, that in her
his mother's brother, who had committed suicide around the same age,
you know, forty years before, had been schizophrenic. And no
one they never knew that. No one knew this, like
even her husband didn't know this. And so yeah, it's
people talk about things.
Speaker 1: Please, Well, yeah, you Stormy mentioned Roland Doe. How deep
have you gone into that? Do you know what he
was what he was doing?
Speaker 3: That's exactly where I was going with this Pete.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he had nothing to do with those kinds
of devices. It would have been chemical only this friend
of mine.
Speaker 3: I mean, Roland Doe was like what was it, was
he like thirteen or fourteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He was fourteen and his aunt Harriet
introduced him, who was a spiritualist, introduced him to auija
board when he expressed interest in it.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's all it takes, like the movie, just like
the Yep, that's all it takes. So all of these
people doing like oh I'm all these girls you know,
you know, oh, I'm just spiritual, and then they think
that they can kind of like forge their own theology,
you know, crystals, like you don't know what you're fucking with,
like you think you do, but you don't. And unfortunately,
ignorance to the rules is not innocence, right, Ignorance of
the law is not innocence of the law.
Speaker 2: That reminds me of all the normies being one shotted
by like ayahuasca, d MT Salvia divinorum, Oh, all the
most pernicious.
Speaker 3: I met some deities, some spirit elve creatures, and they
exist outside of space and time and these things that
exist forever. They really really care about helping me with
my specific They.
Speaker 2: Would never lie to me. Come two years later they
realize that they lie to them.
Speaker 3: They always lie. They can only do. They can't do
anything but lie.
Speaker 2: From that lovely anime series, Freeer and Demons learned human
language so that they could lie and deceive and conquer humanity.
Speaker 3: That's all they do. Like, I can't express this enough,
which is why we do.
Speaker 2: Is when people talk about like psychedelic therapy, you have
to keep in mind, yeah, they could be lying to
you also some things like I think there's there's legitimate
cases where if someone is at the end of the
rope where they might kill themselves, where in the right
circumstances with a guide with the right.
Speaker 3: Thing PTSD, I think is probably the only use case
that I've.
Speaker 2: Found it that's about it because it because it does
it does a factory reset, and.
Speaker 3: That's actually what opens you up exactly, right. So the
reason that you saw these things, these dreams as a child,
but you didn't as like a late teen in or
in the early twenties, is because there's a flexibility, right,
a neuro plasticity, like the neurological pathways haven't solidified like
when you're young, right, your brain is still wiring itself,
so the antenna that it has is much more open,
and you narrow the frequencies as you get older because
your brain is constantly sorting. Right, things like what you
see out of your eyes is actually not the reality
that exists in front of you. You think it is,
but that's really just the very limited series of photons
that your eye is able to focus on at every
any given time. People barely know what's happening in their
peripheral vision, right, So the picture of the world that
people have that they exist in is not the world
that they exist in. They forget how they interact with
the world. Right, You are a brain in a jar
using sensory organs right, limited sensory organs. So if you
limit your perception to only what you can see, then
you're missing out on a very large portion of what's
actually happening. And a child hasn't done that stack ranking, right,
hasn't done that input accounting to where It's just like, oh,
the you know, like you think about like your drive
home from work. Anyone that's listening to this that has
a commute, you know, a twenty thirty hour long commute.
You get into your car, and then you get home.
You near as makes no difference teleport home. If I
were asked you what happened on your commute, you wouldn't
be able to tell me because your brain has basically
seen that route so many times there is no new
information to log, so it doesn't. Right. Cognitive capacity is
incredibly calorically intensive. Thinking is the hardest thing that your
body has to do, So whenever your brain has a
chance to not it doesn't. It's just like if you
stay inside all day inside your house, could do nothing
at all, but it seems like the day flies by.
It didn't fly by. There's just no new information for
your brain to log into memory. It is your memory
that gives you your perception of time. Time does not
exist in the way you think it does, the way
you experience it. The world around you doesn't exist in
the way you experience it, right, Like, I don't know
how to put it, but there is a wavelength of light.
I guess I explain it. You know, Carl, you're a
gun artist, all right. I'm imagining you've got, you know,
a pair of you know, either binos or a monocle,
so you're very familiar seeing only in infrared light. You
can see things an infrared like that you can't with
your visible eye, even if there's sunlight, right yep, Like
not you notice it in like animal furs are entirely different. Yes, yeah,
Like I tell the story of like I almost stepped
on a rabbit because I didn't see a rabbit. I
saw a black like solid black outline. And only when
I was right about to step on it that I
realized that this thing is rabbit shaped. And I was like,
holy shit, that's a rabbit. And I almost stepped on it,
but I couldn't see it at all because it's fur
reflected or sorry, absorbed infrared light. Interesting, So how many
rabbits exist that reflect the visible light spectrum? If a,
I mean, it's only a little bit further on the wavelengths,
And if it just reflected a different set right, you
wouldn't be able to see it. It could be standing
right in front of your face and you would have
no idea it was there.
Speaker 2: This is an excellent, excellent CEGEU for exactly that topic
as it relates to spooky Asian black magic.
Speaker 3: Oh nvg's ready to hear it. Yeah, oh real quick, Yeah,
next time you have them on you live in the
Pacific northwest, correct, find a nice patch of non treeified
area and just stare up at the sky for at
least thirty minutes. There's all types of little things running
around up there, isn't there.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, Yes, yes, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Earth is a busy place.
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on up there.
Speaker 3: Yep. Anyways, so things that we can't see that or
we we don't see anymore.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I was, I was in a The biggest
thing about Laos is that like almost all the old
stuff is in ruins because of successions of wars with
the Siamese. They would just go in and like raise
towns and cities. If you leave it alone for two years,
it's going to get covered in jungle, et cetera. Right,
But there's old sites where they have monasteries around them
because before Buddhism, there would be human sacrifices in these places.
There's a place called Watpu down in Champa Sak. It's
incredibly cool. It's basically the northernmost Khmer outpost from the
old Khmer Empire, and it there were human sacrifices there.
Although the archaeologists will argue this, the royal family who's
still around of Champa Soak in that region has the
old stories and they'd say no, they used to, you know,
like annually sacrifice two virgins in front of this like
Shiva Linga and CALLI right, yes, yes, correct, correct Collie.
But there's there's stuff for Shiva around this area. So anyway, speaking.
Speaker 3: Of Collie, blood for the Blood God.
Speaker 2: Yes, I When my wife and I were first freshly married,
we went to New York City to visit a friend
of hers. And this was the year after nine to eleven,
and we went for New Years and they shut down
the whole city, you know, security wise, Like all the
tunnels were totally filled with armed men and they were
filtering access to any large events. And we saw the
Metropolitan Museum of Art and we're like, hey, why don't
we go check out the met And they had an
Asian art exhibit in there, Asian quote unquote art.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I mentioned that my wife's mother is a spooky country Baptist.
My wife is definitely very perceptive to certain kinds of
things as well. Yeah, and very very very good, very good,
greater than greater than the sum of the parts. And
we were up in this area looking at stuff. We're like, okay,
this is interesting, you know, cool buddhistatutes. And then we
go into this corridor where there's smaller statuary and they
have all these little segmented rooms and this is a
long time ago. I tried to look it up before this,
and I don't think it's part of a permanent collection.
It might have been a temporary collection just being displayed.
And before I went through this doorway, the walls were
black in this area. My wife says, something is creeping
me out. In the next room, can you look? And
I look in and I'm like, oh, there's just little
statues and stuff, and she's like, okay. It felt very weird.
And then she steps into the room and she's like,
it's coming from over there, and she points towards this
section where there's you know, they're on little pillars and
they have a statue and there's light shining down from
the ceiling. And I walked up to this thing that
was in the area where she was pointing at, and
it was a Collie statue, Collie multi arms holding not vives.
But here's the thing. I knew that it was a
Collie statue from like the pose and everything, but I
couldn't focus on the face. There was like a blur
in like that I could see in front of it.
And the way I would describe it is it it
was the kind of blur that you see in the
fields when you're on psychedelics at night, like the visual distortion.
But it was very distorted, like I couldn't focus on
the face. You know. Of course you can see the
form of the statue and I could focus on certain things.
And then I looked at the the description of the
art piece, and it was from Indonesia, and there had
been human sacrifices for hundreds of years in front of
this statue.
Speaker 3: How big was the statue It.
Speaker 2: Was about eighteen inches high maybe, and it was made
of silver.
Speaker 3: It's an ambulet. It's not a statue.
Speaker 2: It was wild.
Speaker 3: It was an amulet. It can be a statue, it
can be anything.
Speaker 2: Right, it's a tether, Yes, precisely.
Speaker 3: That's what it is. Right. So they weren't giving sacrifices
to a statue, giving sacrifices to the deity, because that's statue. Right.
So this is the thing about displaying like Egyptian statues everywhere.
The Egyptians didn't carve them as statues. Oh like, this
looks like the thing that we worship. That's cool. It's
like a nice little reminder. No no, no, no, like
that's our western brains putting spin on it. If you
were to ask an Egyptian priest what that is or
why he is making it, he's not going to tell you.
It is a memento. So when I look at it,
I remember the deity. They make it to then put
the deity in it physically. But since they can't put
a deity in it. What they do is they create
an amulet. Right, So it's like a tether. A good
way to explain it is like the sim It's all
about the intention, right. So like I've given up on
Italian automobiles, but let's just say I have it, and
I draw a picture of a Ferrari in my driveway,
all right. I draw a picture of a Ferrari, and
then I go out into my driveway and place it
in my driveway. I go back inside. All right. If
I were to like meditate deeply and you know, fall
out of my body and float around, there's going to
be a Ferrari in my driveway. Any spirit is going
to see a Ferrari in my driveway, right, because the
intention that a thing is being made with is the
only thing that transfers, right. Every intention is what matters.
So that statue, just like that piece of paper that
I drew a picture on, is a tether between the
ferrari that exists in my driveway in this other place
and the picture of the Ferrari that I put out
in my driveway. It's just a picture, it's just a drawing.
But there is a connection between a ferrari that exists
on the spiritual plane that is very real and a
picture that I have, and these two things never get disconnected, right.
It's like a route that can be traveled back and
forth between the thing and the amulet of a thing.
So this is why I believe it was in the
fifteen hundreds, fourteen hundreds, I can't remember. They it's very famous, well,
not very famous, but you have to go look it
up and you'll find it. They brought over an obelisk
from Egypt and they put it in one of the
Vatican gardens, and a whole bunch of bad stuff started happening,
so much so that, I mean the poet liked it
because it is pretty. I believe it's still there to
this day. But the Pope had to perform an exorcism
himself while on this obelisk to get the thing out
of it that came from Egypt that wasn't happy it
came from Egypt. So it caused all types of you know,
raised all types of hell.
Speaker 2: Do you want a nice example of another type from
Southeast Asia? The speakiest I have in my quiver? Yeah, okay,
this is dark black magic. You know, if you read
about the Vietnam war and stuff. You'll see tales of,
especially like the hill tribes getting protective tattoos. But everyone
does this in some way or another, and you know,
various levels of purported power. Well, the interesting thing is
that in the monasteries there the Buddhist monasteries monks that
stay for a long time. Quite often it ends up
being a form of a sanitarium, you know, just like
in the old monasteries in Europe and everything were. But
the monks can explore their interests and quite often this
involves magic. And one of the greatest temptations is that
black magic is very lucrative, and so keeping monks away
from that is a big deal. And a friend of
mine who was low explained something that I saw to me.
I had seen this little protective amulet that was shriveled
up and it looks almost like a little black shrimp
or a fetus or something, and it looked like it
was lacquered. And I asked him about it, and he said, oh,
it is lacquered and it is a fetus. And I
was like, what are you talking about, And he said,
this is the darkest black magic. For it to really work,
it's so evil. I have to like, pause before I
say it. You have to take the woman you love,
and you must love her for it to work, because
again this is the binding of this evil entity to you.
You have to experience extreme loss and suffering and what
killing the goodness and love in yourself. And you must
take her and impregnate her, kill her, cut out the fetus,
and then perform a ritual, and then you wear the
fetus as a protective amulet for yourself. And in Thailand
you can buy these amulets and their fetuses. Maybe maybe not.
They might be getting them from abortion clinics, you know,
that kind of stuff. You know, but everyone says that
doesn't really work. But the other one with bullshit?
Speaker 3: Do you want to tell why they care about abortion
so much?
Speaker 2: Do tell.
Speaker 3: All right to kill a baby before it is born?
Is that it? So? Why do Why do these evil
fucking people, why do they care about kids so much?
Why is it that every time we, you know, turn
over a stone. There's like all of the people in
the Jeffrey Epstein scandal that are all attached in Jeffrey's orbit,
from Lex Wexner to Igor Kolomoiski. They're not just regular
Jews they're shabbat nicks, right. Shabad is a mystical form
of Judaism, a magic form of Judaism, right, so hard
and the Kabbalah less of the talmut, and these people
act to actively practice magic. It's the very real thing
to them. Right. So again, like, if these people rule
the world, that's what I'm being told, then the people
that run the show sure believe that this has a
lot of firepower. So the reason they go after children
is because the child is the closest to God, right,
not just in the fact that they are innocent, but
like an infant, the infant hasn't developed any opinions, any thoughts,
It hasn't imbibed the opinions of others. Right, It's just
a little ball of pure awareness. And that's what your
soul is, right. So, like the infant hasn't basically built
up an ego yet, it has no concept of self.
It's just soul embodied and as it grows older, it
creates you know. Well, but the trinity in man is mind,
body and spirit. Everyone sorry, mind soul and spirit or
body soul spirit. I think I fucked that one out.
The tripartite nature of man is his physical body, his
spirit we can call his consciousness or his conscious mind,
and his soul. The soul is different and distinct from
the conscious mind. So the baby doesn't have any of that.
It is just body and soul. It will slowly develop
conscious mind, but it doesn't have one yet. And that's
about as peer of a thing as you can get.
But if you can get it before it's born, you
now have it without original sin. Why does everyone want
to call me when I like, my phone's not moved
all day, but now all of a sudden. Anyways, it's
funny how that goes. That was de so it was
probably calling to yell at me about something. So, yeah,
if it's not born yet, it doesn't have original sin yet,
it's the most pure offering. Right, So the deal, the
pact that is being made with whatever demon follows that
little amulet around, is probably the probably like the bee's
knees like gold good silver, all right, blood is better.
Blood is the spiritual currency. Like we could see that
in the Old Testament, God's laying down the law. He's like, listen,
if you kill an animal, you make sure that you
drip drain that animal. Right, the blood and the meat
is not for you. The blood is for me, for
the repentance of your sin. It's currency to them, like
it's life. There's something in blood. I don't know what.
I'm not a biologist, but there's something going on in there.
So that does not surprise me at all. I have
some interesting Asian flavored stories as well. A good friend
of mine, actually the guy that's my banker and a
very good friend, which is probably why I like, you know,
I trust him as much as I do. But he
spent a lot of time in Asia when nobody else
was right, so he's he's a lucky guy, all right.
All of like in the eighties, all of the young
you know, Goldman and JP Morgan guys, they're all trying
to go to Japan and he goes to China. Wow,
all right, which you know, being the only guy of
a major American bank in China probably didn't seem that
exciting to people that didn't know anything about China. But like,
what is it is a seven or nine families in
China or they call him like the nine Princelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, there's there's a there's a class of Chinese
that have a tremendous, tremendous amount of capital, right on
par with any of our you know, Bill Gates or
our Elon Musk's is that no one talks about, like
these people exist outside of the CCP. All right, But yeah,
he was a lucky duck because China would then, you know,
in less than five or six years, the wealthy in
China became wealthy beyond anyone's like wildest dreams. But he
spent a lot of time in Indonesia, in Laos, in Vietnam,
in Malaysia, and one of the stories that he told
me was he was given like he was basically I
think doing what you were doing, like just being a
young man wanting to explore as much of Southeast Asia
as possible, because I mean, it is the place that
is still wild enough for adventures to actually happen. You know,
it's not all it's not as it's not like the West.
People people there live like the Stone Age.
Speaker 2: When I was there, that there were two things that
would commonly happen as you would interact with tourists who
are like they would complain that there was no tourist
infrastructure there, and it's like, yeah, congratulations, like you you
can't just like hop on a bus and have everything
go smoothly, right, You have to like actually learn to
interact with these people. And then the other one was
you'd go out into remote areas and people would own
like two items with iron in them, but then they
would also have a cell phone.
Speaker 3: That's funny. So they only have like two or three
pieces of metal objects.
Speaker 2: Correct, but a phone, every and everything handmade.
Speaker 3: Just wild as they got cell phone service out there.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing is they were able to leap
frog like these tech epochs because it's really easy to
build a cell tower up on a mountaintop with a
generator and just run like connect the whole country that way.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, they're all running on That makes so much
sense because you couldn't run the power infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the power infrastructure came later where they just went
hydro electric and there's because there's so many rivers there
that it's basically the battery. Like their their chief exupport
is power to Vietnam and Thailand and China.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the altitude like there?
Speaker 2: It's not super high, but it where it's steep and
so up up in like the the on a mountain range.
It just plunges. The rivers just plunge out, and so
they put them hard against the mountain range because by
the time they get to the Maykong they're in these
like fairly level areas, but it's extremely steep in the
mountains and it just drops out of nowhere where they
come from underground out of caves like these crazy rivers
and stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh that's crazy. I was actually at the brought up
the More earlier I was. I visited The More about
a month or two back, and there's a there's a
place called Dartmoor which has which is funny enough, which
is very funny for me personally, which is where the
the Baskerville hound story originated. Yes, indeed, yeah, and a
black dog has been like something that pops in and
out of like my life story for you know, since
I was born. But I find it really funny. But
they have this place called the Devil's Pool, which is
about maybe five or six miles from where the More starts.
The More is a very interesting place. It's really cool.
You know, there's wild ponies that run around.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting. I did not know, like.
Speaker 3: Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. They just come
up and you know, sometimes they're skittish whatever, but it's
really cool. You can go like walk the more and
like go see some of the ruins that are all
throughout there, and then they'll just be like wild ponies
running around you just eating grass like the cows and
the sheep. It's pretty cool. But yeah, there's a place
called the Devil's Pool, which is one of these things
that you're describing with these rivers that literally just plunge
out of a cliff. It looks like a cave, but
all like, like the cave is huge, but the river
that comes pouring out of this thing is is equally
as huge. Right, you see so much water coming out,
You're like, how is how is even this massive hole? Somehow?
Like this doesn't seem big enough for the amount of
water that's coming out. It's wild. But yeah, I think
I know what you're talking about with like the water
coming out of caves and then falling down you know,
the mountains. But the reason I bring up Pete's story
his name is also Pete, is because he we were
talking about amulets earlier. So he was given a cool
knife by one of the uh one of the people
in like the village that he was staying at. He
was like, oh, this is really really nice, and he
tried to I think he gave the guy. I can't
remember what it was. It wasn't money, it was something
that he had in his kit. And about a day
later he got really really sick and was sick for
like two weeks, and no matter what they no matter
what he did. He went into town, got you know, medicine,
went to town again. When that didn't work, you know,
tried to see a doctor. Doctor didn't know what to do,
gave him different medicine, and it was just getting progressively
worse and worse, to the point where he was almost
entirely bedridden. And they basically like helper slash housekeeper person
he didn't speak much English, was like, you need to like,
you know, you need to come with me. I need
we need to go and take you to see this guy.
You know, will you know, make you not sick anymore?
And he go like you know, he gets up and
manages to make out of the door, and the lady
runs back inside and grabs his dagger that he had
given and you know stick sticks it in his belt
strap and they go walk, you know, basically through the woods.
I mean, all of these villages, all of these you know,
dwellings are separated by little tiny walking paths. And they
get to this old guy in his house and as
soon as he as soon as he walks in, the
old guy yanks the dagger out of his belt, throws
it on the ground like it's you know, five hundred
degrees you know and burning. Just immediately like flicks it,
picks it up, barely touching it, throws it on the ground,
and then starts sprinkling stuff on it. And Pete's like, like,
what the fuck's going on? I thought we were here
for me. This guy seems to be really interested in
my knife. And the guy is like saying some words
over it, and and I'm assuming still sprinkling stuff over it.
And then he just picks it up and throws it
out the window behind him. And as soon as he
does that, the whole fucking hut lifts off the ground
like like a giant, you know, hit it like a
linebacker and just tips it up on one side and
puts it comes back down, you know, enough to where
Pete and the person who brought him to this place
was knocked, you know, to their feet or to the
or sorry, to their to their knees. And Pete looks
up and he can see out the window of like
right over the right over the old man's shoulder, and
there is just this thing. I was like, what do
you mean, like a thing? And he's trying to describe it.
He's like, it was blurry. You know, it was a thing.
It was a very big thing, you know, many times
the size of a man. But I couldn't really tell
you what it looked like. It you know, had like
a shape but not any defined edges. You know, it
was like like made of fog, but very definitively just
kind of like moving basically, like the the outline or
the the shape of the thing was itself moving.
Speaker 2: Was this in Indonesia by chance? Yes, because they have
the keras or Chris staggers. Yes, they do ceremonies around
them and pray over them and they're binding spells with them.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: I am not surprised to hear this at all, to
be honest.
Speaker 3: And then the thing just ran into the jungle.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really funny, because yes, it was a little
tiny dagger that apparently had some type of critter in there,
and it was making him sick.
Speaker 2: And people don't take this stuff seriously. People pay hundreds,
if not thousands of dollars to collect these things. But
if you look at the way that that's very dumb,
very dumb. The way that the Muslims handle these things
is you have to like have them ritually cleansed on
a regular basis. And they have bodies on them too.
Speaker 3: So like.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: You have to feed them. Yeah, exactly, you have to
feed them or the thing, the spirit goes away. It's
a deal.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the origin of the the or one of
the origins of the If I draw this knife, it
has to shed blood is knife. Yes, yes, you have
to feed it.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I thought that was just from the forty year old version.
Speaker 3: In China too. This is very much still a thing,
all right, not like the Chris Daggers, but magic. Oh yeah,
I don't know if you have any stories about that,
and then I can. I'll tell one briefly.
Speaker 2: Uh you you go ahead. I have less experience with China,
just Chinese people in America, Seattle.
Speaker 3: I've never I've never been to China, but I have
a lot of uh, A lot of friends have done
business there, and a couple you know, good Chinese f
well they're from Hong Kong, and they will tell you
that that is a very big difference. Yeah, and so
not to be confused with you know Chinese people, but yeah,
China was never really like a unified country. Each one
of the cities basically existed as separate nation states for
almost all of its history. So like where you're from,
city wise, there's a lot more to do with like
how you look and how you act than you know,
being Chinese. But friends from Hong Kong would tell me that,
like some of the richest guys, right, so these guys
are multi billion dollar guys that will spend tremendous amounts
of money on Fung Shuei. And I used to laugh
at that. I used to think, like they'd be like no, no, no,
like these guys take it life or death serious, right,
Like these guys will clear their schedules for months to
work with you know, the varying. I hate calling them
priests because that, like you know, they're basically magi just
people that do magic professionally. And this is a career
in China, right, doing magic professionally is very much a thing.
And you know, they will spend many, many, many years
of their life going around and collecting spirits, right, buying
them and put them in their toolkit, so to speak,
so they can call on them and use them toffulfill
various tasks that you know, people pay them to do.
And obviously the ones that go for the most money
are the ones that have the most tools and their toolkit.
So these guys are really dark people, you know, because
just having these things, like know, you personally exist is bad.
Speaker 2: That's a bad idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like basically we exist to these things like grass, right,
Like we are part of the background. Right. So imagine
if you're out sitting in your backyard and all of
a sudden a blade of grass shouts at you and goes, hey, faggot,
be like what this is now the most interesting blade
of grass in the world, And I'm going to pay
a tremendous amount of attention to it. I'm gonna like
check in on it every day. I want to examine it,
I want to watch it grow, Like this is very
interesting grass now to where I didn't give a fuck
about grass prior, Like that's what seeing these things are
like or dealing with them at all. Right, if you
deal with them, you are now a conscious actor to them.
You are now very very interesting. You were part of
the background, but now you're not. And it's just a
bad place to be. Everyone thinks that demons only care
about possession. That's not the case. They do affliction just
as well. Somebody can be tormented by something, right, basically
fucking up their life without actually being possessed. All right,
So anyways, these guys will spend tremendous amounts of money,
and they will tell you that they derive tremendous amount
of wealth from it, like they basically see it as investing.
Oh yeah, Like if I do this, and I do
the functue thing, and I organize like not just their house,
like to the most tiniest detail, but where their house
is located, right, what objects are allowed in the house,
what objects are not allowed in the house? Right? Just
a crazy amount of effort down to the minutest detail. Right,
it depends on you know, when the person was born,
down to the minute. It's really crazy the amount of
effort that goes into into these types of things. And
it will give you an idea of how seriously they
take these things at all levels of society, from the
most wealthy down to the most poor. Like they don't
view this as like, you know, fantasy or like you know, gimmick.
Speaker 2: Right, that's all of Asia if you think about it,
if you think about it, the level of seriousness, if
less elaborate. That's how it was in the West as
well in Christendom.
Speaker 3: I find it very interesting that at a time we're
basically being bombarded, there is a subset of society that
spends all of its time running around trying to convince
everyone else that bombs don't exist. I find that very
very interesting. The spreaders of materialism seem to also be
the same groups of people who, as a people group,
utilize this type of stuff regularly. It would be very
much in their interest if Christians forgot this existed, or
forgot that this was actually the world that they lived in,
which is kind of my purpose of bringing it up,
and you know, constantly talking about it because one side
is using a weapon system that they have convinced their
enemies does not exist. Well, how do you fight something
that doesn't exist? You don't, You just die. So everywhere
else in the world takes this shit very very seriously. Yep,
and we used to as a society. I don't know
how that gets fixed, though, because I think the people
that would find my, you know, arguments persuasive, I think
they would always find it persuasive. And I think there's
just a core group of people that refuse whether they
think Christianity is uncool or whatever. But there's a reason
that we conquered the world, and it's not just how
great we were, right, I can't remember, did you ever
do you guys catch that episode that Orn did with
Andrew Isker And I can't remember who the other guys were.
But they're basically going through the history from other non
Christian sources of what would happen when the early Church
would set up in a town, or relics of a
saint were buried near previous pagan temples. And this was
very much still a time when paganism was very active. Right,
all of a sudden, the priests and the oracles of
Apollo at the temple weren't able to see shit anymore.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm familiar with that story. I can't remember if
I got it from them.
Speaker 3: Bro, there's one undreds of documented ones. Yes, and this
would happen all across the ancient world. Right, all of
the like you go to, like the Mayans, all of
their priests just became ineffectual. Right, they no longer had
the juice anymore when the gey stores and the priests
showed up. Right. And I think it's really interesting when
there's that bit where Christ is in the desert being tempted.
I'm gonna rip this and it was just that phrased
this this way, but it makes it's hard to disagree with. Right,
So that Satan is tempting Christ like if hey, if
just about me, like I will give you dominion over
the whole world. Well, ah, Satan's a liar, so he
didn't have that power. He couldn't do that. Well, then
it's not a temptation, is it. YOUU just didn't say, oh, well,
you're a liar, fuck off. The temptation had to be
real or else it would not have been a temptation.
So that means it would have been in his power
to grant. And Christ answer was like no, I'm just
going to take it like I'm going to be king
of this world. Anyways.
Speaker 2: You want to know who the most hardcore, the most
hardcore demon destroyers were in Southeast Asia during French Indo
China era.
Speaker 4: Who the Catholic priests the Jesuits, Yes, yeah, man, they
were like Seal Team six or sorry not Seal Team six,
an actual branch of the Special Forces that doesn't just
write books.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I don only talk about that. I'm just repeating
stuff that you know, soft guys, soft guys tell me.
But yeah, the lifespan, the life expectancy of a Jesuit
priest that was doing missionary work was very very, very
very small. Like these guys knew that, you know, the
fates laid out like they weren't just like killed, right,
They were usually tortured and mutilated and then killed, and
they still went and did what they did. Like those
were some of the hardest guys. I can't even imagine,
Like you know that, you're Their experience of their faith
was much more visceral then we often get to experience today, right,
Like they understood their faith is not like Okay, well
God's up in heaven and if I don't watch porn
and I'd be really good and well behaved, then I
get to go up there with God when I die.
But that's it. Right, like their their interaction with the
domain in which God in habits only happens when they die.
But if you were to ask any medieval Christian, they'd
be like, no, the fight's all around you man, all
the time, and we seem to have lost that, right Like,
it's almost like our faith is like as like a
philosophical thing that we just you know, grapple with and
play with in our heads up until the moment like
we expire, and not a living faith that like we
see the hand of God, we see his enemies like
in our day to day existence, because that's how they
really are. And that's how those missionaries, those Jesuits, that's
how they saw the world. And you would have to
see the world that way to basically risk horrible, excruciating
deaths as the more likely outcome than you coming home,
like you would have to, like your faith would have
to be one that you live in your day to
day existence. Things happen, oh well, not because you know,
random series of events. No, it's because God wanted them
to happen, right Like when we see things that are
strange and crazy or unexplainable, we immediately reach to materialist
reasons why that thing happened, and that would be the
last thing that they would do. Right. The spiritual dimension
is the first thing that they went to to explain
things that they were that were difficult to explain, or
phenomenon that we see. Now we have millions of atheoids
that just come out of the woodwork to try and
explain away all of the phenomenon that still very much
exists in our day to day life. Like every time
Karl looks up at the night sky with his binos on,
he will tell you that there is a whole bunch
of shit going on on our plane of existence that
we don't have the language for.
Speaker 2: It's uh. And with what's taking place right now with
attacks on churches and religious people, it's escalating and coming
out into the open, and the enemies think it's funny.
And I spent two hours talking to Dee about what
was going on in Spain from you know, the religious
issue in the lead up to the Civil war and
the beginning of the civil war, and it's just people
need to get with it. And the people who are
religious but are basically materialists, they need to get with it. Man.
Maybe we just need more, Maybe more church bells will help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you think about it, like if you're
religious quote unquote, but you're still like materialists, like your
faith is like this thing that exists outside of you
and your day to day existence, then you're not going
to be able. You're not going to possess the impetus
needed to fight that fight until it's way, way, way
too late, right, Like the guy that doesn't believe in
the way that we are describing is not going to
be the one that goes over the top of a
trench for that belief structure. Like if that guy gets shot,
he's going to be scared. Like he hopes there's a heaven,
but he doesn't know there is, Unlike those monks, those
Jesuit priests, that wasn't even a question that ever went
through their brain, Like they weren't, you know, dying thinking, oh,
I hope heaven is real, like that was a known
quantity and the other where the other place that we
see this and this is an unpopular comparison, but is
in Jihati's a Jihati doesn't doubt whether he is going
he's wrong, which is unfortunate, but to him, like you
can't threaten him, you can't buy him off, there's there's
in fact, there's nothing that you could possibly give this
person to make them stop what they're doing, because the
alternative to them not doing that is unimaginable, and the
mandate to which they have trumps everything else, Like there's
no honors that you can bestow on them, there's no
amount of you know, cash or gold that you could
give them to stop doing what they're doing. They are,
you know, they're wrong, but they're on a mission from God,
and they fight like it. They don't give a shit,
Like you can't torture that person, you can't threaten to
kill that person, you can't bribe that person, and that
is something the regime has a lot of difficulty fighting,
which it seems to be of very high importance that
it stops that from happening anywhere else. Right, Like, it
seems to I, out of all the archetypes, it hates
the warrior priest the most because it has no tools
and its toolkit because if you like kill a priest, okay,
that's bad, but if you kill a Jahati, Like how
did Wesley Clark describe Jahati math? Right, it's like this
different type of math where if you have one hundred
and you minus twenty, you don't get eighty, you get
two hundred. Yeah, because they set an example, right like
it basic, every dead Jahati is a question to everyone
else back in the village, like Okay, what are you
going to do? And it's really like it kind of
lays down a spiritual gauntlet for the other men in
the village, and that's how you get two hundred instead
of eighty. And we saw that in the Spanish Civil War,
right like the Oh there's so many stories of men
putting their life in the lowest of the priority categories
in comparison to God. And I think without faith, I
don't think the nationalists win one percent. I don't see
a single way.
Speaker 2: I always like to point out that the Carlist Recutez,
the militiamen and the early volunteers. The war couldn't have
been won without them. They captured and held the most
territory at the beginning, so that there were even places
for the army to connect with. And they treated themselves
as shock troops so that civilian populations in the north
would not be bombed. They would put themselves on the line,
even if it meant their whole company would get wiped out,
taking a you know, an embedded position because they didn't
want their people to be bombed. Carlos Math.
Speaker 3: Carlos Math.
Speaker 2: Basically, my reward, my reward is in heaven, and that's.
Speaker 3: The only way that they want that they win. I
just don't see it. The Communists controlled too many levers
of a state that was still slightly functioning enough to
where that offered them an advantage, and there was way
way more of them. Right, Like, Okay, so let's say
Franco's army magically lands. Right, you basically have the largest
nation in both natural resource wealth and population at that time,
throwing infinity resources at this You have the nation of France,
which prior to World War Two was the largest military
on the you know, the European peninsula. They're throwing weapons,
they're throwing men, and they're throwing gear, and you got
dumb faggots like what's his name, that's stupid English orwell,
you know, coming in from all over because the Jewish
media basically made this look like the Holy Crusade, you
know that you had to go join the nationalist army
Like I'm sorry, Like that's not enough to beat that. Yeah, his.
Speaker 2: Franco attributed their victory to God. Yeah, it's as simple
as that.
Speaker 3: Not like you know, in a cynical way or not like, oh,
I won this victory in God's glory, Like, no, he is.
He is the person that did this exactly.
Speaker 2: And our people are your people and it's ever been.
Thus is his proclamation.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that the the other groups, one in particular,
who ye, some can argue fought under the cross. Some
would argue definitely didn't. I definitely wasn't direct for sure lost.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, they lost.
Speaker 3: And you see that all.
Speaker 1: And one of the first things you're going to get
is is that, oh well, as soon as as soon
as you start talking about faith, that means it's uh,
that means it's multicultural and everything. And you're talking about,
you know, multiculturalism is fine. You're just you're just advocating
from assagination.
Speaker 2: Now, yes, retards, they're useless.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's like those people that say, like Christianity
is universalists, so therefore is multi culture, multi ethnic, you know,
biomass slomp. The scriptures were written in Greek. Christianity has
been European from its beginning. It is a European religion.
The only reason it exists elsewhere is because Europeans bring
it there and then maintain it, or else it turns
into Santa Ria fucking witchcraft in a generation. Right, Like
Woes and Corey make this point, Christianity can sustain itself
in none of these fucking places unless constantly reinforced and
watched over by Europeans. The reason Latin Americans get to
be Christian is because Europeans go there and maintain the church. Right,
even in the brief fifty years since they've been bringing in,
you know, from the native population. Their redesign basically recasting
the Virgin Mary as a volcano deity. I'm go look
this up, like the same exact thing in Africa, same
exact thing in Asia. Right, Like all of the traditions
and all the magical practices that Karl and I just
went through at length, These things are embedded into the
culture of these people. It's embedded into their soul. It's
never coming out. Communism couldn't smush it, right, Nothing is
going to separate these people from this. So unless the
church is constantly maintained by Europeans, it goes back to
that in a generation. Christianity is a European religion. It
is the European religion, so like to think it could
be a universalist faith is idiotic, right, It is only
like that is a invitation and a privilege that Europeans
extend to other people, not because it's theirs. If it
was theirs, they would be able to maintain it, and
they can't. It just it's so retarded. It's if anybody
wants to talk to me about like paganism or spirituality,
like you don't know what you're talking about, Like you
haven't studied the shit, because even from an esoteric and
occult position, Christianity is the only go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the guys in my supporter chat today was
talking about someone specifically who, yeah, advocates that the whole
thing about how Christianity is a Jewish subversion thing, and
he says, basically, everybody making those arguments is using the
word concept fallacy. And for those for people who don't
know what the word concept fallacy is, it means that
words what one word means right now, that's what it
meant a thousand years ago or fifteen hundred years ago,
or two hundred years ago or two thousand years ago.
They can only play with words. Yeah, they can only
play with words. You can only you know, And I mean,
I don't know if that is a deceptive, purposely deceptive
on their part, or they're just not intelligent enough to
realize what they're doing. But words have different meanings, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean it was personally purposely deceptive by the person
they heard that from.
Speaker 1: I bet, yeah, probably. And you know it's like, you know,
even the terrible things like I mean, what did that mean?
Speaker 3: That means?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he was so that was a term
of endearment. How do we use it today? So it's like,
you know, I mean, it's really exhausting. I think Thomas's
Thomas is right. Most people, most people, even people with followings,
even people you know who are you know, I'm more popular,
will say things like I'm more popular than you on
the internet. They're not equipped to talk about the things.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they have they don't have any backgrounds in it.
They don't they don't even know how to perceive what
they're seeing in front of their eyes.
Speaker 3: Now, this is why they can't predict. If you notice,
there's very few people in our sphere that can act
accurately predict all right, you have to know something inside
and out before you can apply it as a filter
or a rule set. They only talk about things have
happened in the past, like great, that's awesome. Now all
that shit that you just meant forever, you know, lecturing
us about how does that apply going forward?
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is something that I've talked about previous,
is that it's actually very easy for them to appear
as somebody who is predicting things properly, because if you
just assume everything is getting worse, then pretty much, you know,
entropy is a real thing. So things do appear to
be getting worse all around us. But you know, they
these are the kind of people who always have an out.
It's like, okay, so something you know, oh something just improved.
Oh well, I mean but yeah, there someone with a
Jewish name was involved in that. So yeah, that's not
an improvement. That's what we're being deceived. We're purposely being deceived.
I don't know, but my life seems to have gotten
better because of it. Oh well, you're just you're just filosmitic.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it's yeah, it's survivorship biased.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just people people play these games because the Internet.
I say, I've said this a lot. The Internet is
the greatest gift and the greatest curse we've ever had,
because if you know how to use the Internet, you
can understand the world. You can understand the world better
than probably ninety nine percent of the people who ever lived.
But it also opens the door for people who are
not very bright, but actually very manipulative and not how
to talk well into corralling people into a way of
thinking that keeps them bound. And these are the same
people who will talk about gatekeepers not realize that they are,
not realizing that they've and gate kept into a silo
by the fact that we live in an age where
everybody is political. But these people don't have the mental ability.
They don't have the natural mental ability to be able
to understand how politics works and how it's worked historically
and how it's playing out, and exactly how things would
improve or how things would get worse while improving at
the same time. They can't see those things. So what
they do is then they when and the easiest way
to spot these people is that they default to absolute purity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've neutralized themselves through that. The whole way I
ended up getting in contact with you, Pete, was that
after October seventh, I saw things happening, and the channels
that I was in, no one could almost no one
could explain them. There would be like one or two
and other people know like we're defeated by the Jews
forever b boo boo boo boo boo, and it's like, no,
you don't understand what's taking place. And so I was
reaching out and finding other people. I think one of
the first was Kingpilled and then someone was like, hey, Carl,
you should talk to pe con Yunis about the Spanish
Civil War. And I was like, I know, and I
like pe can Unas and I was like, oh, I
listened to like three or four podcasts you did in
twenty like early twenty twenty four before we got in contact,
and maybe even in twenty twenty three, because you were
talking about the things that I was seeing and talking
to people who are talking about the things that I
was seeing, and these other people they just they can't
even describe what they're seeing, like they don't even know
how to process it, and it just is a persistent
feature and they they've neutralized their their relevance, and but
they're still out there and they have their four to
six thousand followers and they get high engagement on quippy
little posts, but they have nothing, yep to say.
Speaker 3: It's like factions, right, I mean, Pete, how long have
I been saying that there's more than one team at play?
Speaker 1: I mean there's more than one jew of Jews that
are fighting against each other. Yes, I made I made
the statement on Twitter the other day that this was
a couple weeks ago that Pambondy and put Cash Betel
are owned. They are run by Ronda Santis. They are
loyalists of Rondo Santus and who is Rondo Santus loyal to?
And someone then someone stepped up and said, well who
Trump loyal to? I'm like a different faction. There are
factions within the There are factions within Israel right now
that are both They're both pushing to destroy Gaza, They're
both pushing for Era. It's Israel. They're both pushing for this,
but they're actually fighting against each other. And people can
and you try to tell that to people and they're like, no,
these are these are super uber mentions that have taken
over the whole world by doing this, I'm like, yeah,
they've insinuated themselves into every single important cultural, financial, YadA,
YadA everything. Sure, but they fight against each other. And
if you don't realize that, and if you don't realize
how important it is to realize that that if they're
fighting against each other, they're actually weakening each other. While
they're weakening, while they're weakening the world, most of the
world's perception of them is looking at them as monsters.
Right now, if you don't.
Speaker 3: Just type in child suicide into your search engine, you'll
find that a lot of these supposed master of the
universe at top of the top of the totem pole
all die really interesting deaths that one would struggle to
see as suicides a right, Like these people off each other.
Speaker 2: They don't just argue, oh yeah, And you have these
people claiming that, oh, well, he didn't actually die and
he's somewhere else. And it's like, why it's so easy
to kill people, Like why would you leave this asset
out there? Oh, it's because you're you're making them invulnerable
and undefeatable in your mind, is what you're doing. And
yet you claim to be fighting against them.
Speaker 1: Huh. I mean when they killed when when when Jeffrey
Epstein was killed, there was a faction of Judaism that
was pissed off at another faction of Judaism that killed him.
They're not all working together. And if you don't understand,
if you don't understand how important that is in our
to realize that in our fight going forward. I mean,
as Thomas would say, this is why Thomas says this
all the fucking time. You're not in the game because
you think everything is one thing. It's not one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is no regime. There's a collection of interests.
I remember there's a certain guy. It was very prominent,
still rather prominent. But like I remember, like twenty twenty two,
like when I first got on, already got involved in
the conversation. I was like, no, there is a faction
of this that is not Jewish, that wants to get
back in charge. Right. Basically, their interests now diverge because
we are at a point in time where the jew
plan is to throw America into a two front war
that it cannot win, right, that's the plan. These are
also the same people that we're planning on moving their operation.
It's in this group, right, or less the Shabbotniks, right,
they're less of the militant Zionists that Pete is talking
about that back to Santas. These are more of like
the globo homo Jews, right. They're also the money Jews. Right.
So this is where you get a lot of your
like mega donors from, not outside of the mega group, right.
Israel has made the ultra like hardcore Zioshabat Nicks right, Like, yes,
they're rich, like you know a lot of people on
the Epstein you know network, are very, very wealthy, but
not in the category of these others, right, like if
you've got like one or two billion dollars, you know,
what's his name, Leon Black, like cool, but like you're
not at the top of the totem pole. It's not intergenerational.
And the global homo Jews, you know, they were planning
on moving their opper like the host was trying to
get Like they were trying to move hosts to China,
like that was the plan. And this is why if
you see like Larry Fink, Bill Gates, all of like
the puppets that they dangle all of a sudden, we're
all suck in China, like Soros, everyone was sucking China's
dick as much as humanly possible, like Texi, Like everyone
was like, oh, no, we need to be more like China,
like China is where we need to be investing, and
da da da da da da da da dad. And
then one day after the evergrand collapse right, which was
like the asset backed real estate development firm in China
that sucked up hundreds of billions of Western dollars. Once
that implodes, and Jijingping goes, yeah, we're going to prioritize
foreign bond holders last, which is a nice way of saying,
never go fuck yourself. All of a sudden, the very
next day in the Wall Street Journal and the very
day after that in the Financial Times, two op eds
from George Soros saying, not only is Jijingping both the
devil and the Antichrist, which is funny coming from an
atheist jew but he needs to be regime changed immediately, Like, oh,
it sounds like something is not going to plan. There
seems to be a wrinkle in the plan. And obviously
there's going to be powerful elements inside the US that
are not Jewish that really don't like the plan of
let's destroy America because they have to live here. Like,
if you're a billionaire, being rich in China's not cool, right,
Like being rich in Europe. Like being a billionaire in Europe,
okay cool, but you're not really at like on top
of the social scene of that class unless you're a
billionaire in America. And there's a lot of people that
don't like the idea of America turning into a shithole.
And for some reason this is very hard for people
to understand, Like there are people whose financial interests aren't financialized, right,
So there's a difference between capitalism that it like there's
two types of capitalism. There's financial capitalism and there's dutustrial capitalism.
Industrial capitalism is inherently nationalistic because it cannot move from
place to place. Yes, you can outsource factories and jobs.
Financial capital can do that, and then they can import
those goods from other places and hurt and eventually put
out of business industrial capital inside the nation. But there
are certain things like let's say oil for instance, or defense,
that you can't do that with. So there's going to
be hundreds of billions of dollars behind people that very
much don't want to see this place turn to a shithole.
So to think that these people don't have interests their money, like,
oh no, we can't your campaign money, your campaign funding
money is no good because it's not Jewish money. We
only take Jewish money, Like no, I'm sorry, they're whorees.
They take money money. And people fail to see this.
It's either all the Jews and then the Jews are
a monolith and that's it. Like that's the only worldview
that these people have. So they don't understand internay seine
fighting between the factions, and they can't see any other faction, right,
so they're basically blind to three quarters of what's actually
fucking going on.
Speaker 1: Well, and another thing that they can't see is is
that once you realize that there's another faction out there
that's not Jewish and is fighting against them, they don't
realize it. Representatives from that faction are going to have
to play along. They're going to have to say nice
things about Jews. They may even have to have Jews
on their show. They may even have to, like do
a businessman may have to do business with Jews. That's
the way the fucking world works. Okay, if you want
to stay in the game, You're going to have to
continue playing the game, and.
Speaker 3: They're going to bazz out like a retord.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's like, you know, people are like, oh,
you know, no, I don't think anyone has done more
to open the eye open, you know, like elite eyes
about Jewish power in the last two years, and Tucker
Carlson has and Socker Carlson still has some Jewish people
on the show every once in a while, and he
still says nice things about the Jews, like oh, well,
you know, I love Israel and I love Jews, and
then he for the next hour and a half he
just goes on a rants against them. And people just
don't get I mean, people are so stuck in their
purity spiraling spurgy bullshit. They don't see how the game
is being played. They don't understand how like imagine these
people try to do spy shit, Like when you're doing
spy shit, you might have to work with some of
the worst fucking people in the world. But no, let
me just purity spiral on the Internet. But that's why
it's like.
Speaker 3: It's so easy to manipulate these people, and they're literally
a fucking anchor that is weighing everything down.
Speaker 2: They don't even talk to their parents because they're not
like one hundred percent in lockstep with like their ideology.
Speaker 1: Oh I've talked to I've had people tell me they've
disowned their parents exactly, and I'm like, you realize, you
realize you disowned your parents because what they're philo Semitic,
because I mean that's the way they've been raised. And
the Jews just won because now they've derastinated your family exactly.
Speaker 2: Congratulations retard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're a fucking genius. The only thing that
even matters in the world. Family, you know, the first thing,
the first and when it pops out of you, who's there?
Your fucking family when you pop out of your mom
is family you've derastinated because of politics.
Speaker 3: Are your friends going to be on your deathbed?
Speaker 1: Idiot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete. Are your friends going to be there in
the nursing home coming to visit you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Are they going to be there on your deathbed to
comfort you? No? No, they won't because they're going to
be just as old and just as decrepit as you are.
So unless you have family, you will die alone and
no one will give a shit, all Right, you'll end
up in some potter's field. I just think second and
third order consequences, like think down the road for once,
it's maddening. And the other thing is like nobody can
conceptualize a reality in which a Jewish person is not
a member of like Shabbotnik hyper like orthodox wu wu
like cult, which there is a lot of them, like
Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, right, Like these are those are Shabbotnicks. Right.
If they wear they'll dress like regular people, but they'll
wear the tiny little kippa. Right, that's a good tell
that they're Shabbotnik Jews. Right. But there's a lot of
Jews that aren't Shabotnicks and that aren't like intergenerational money
global homo right, Like these are people whose dads may
have been like an accountant or a doctor, right, and
those people go on to have some success, those people,
like I know two Jews right now off the top
of my head, Pete. I think I've talked to you
at least once or twice reference them in our private conversations.
But they think the idea of sacrificing anything as a
nation for Israel is insane, right. They think the Israelis
and the hardcore Zionists in America are insane. They think
Globo Homo is insane. Where do these people go? Right? Like,
I've got a Jewish Hesh Fund manager that's a good
friend of mine that listens to most of the podcasts
in our sphere. He thinks Tucker Carlson's amazing and doing
the Lord's work. Yeah, we have a different conception of
who that guy is. But to think that all Jews
are like some hive mind is idiotic. One is a
function of their circumstances. If you weren't born in magic
Shabbat Club or don't get recruited by magic Shabbat Club
or any type of radical type of Judaism, you're just
like you know, the Baker kid, right, And you're not
some intergenerational wealth like old European Jew. You're just an American. Like, yeah,
you're gonna have ethnic solidarity. But all of the political
stuff that we're talking about right now flies over their
head like they don't know what's happening. They're not participating
in it. Right, They have loyalty to their people group,
but doesn't necessarily make them enemy combatants as in like
enemy combatants that know what's going on or what the
directionality of the fight is. It's ridiculous. So, oh my god,
Tucker Carlson has a normal jew on his show, or
oh my god, this person has a Jewish guy in
their organization. Like, if you ever talk to serious people,
you're going to sound like a fucking retard, because the
serious person is going to know at least five or
six of those type of people that aren't politically engaged,
that are just normal businessmen.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a shorthand that really helps that a
friend picked up cobbled from the nineteen seventies. Actually, and
it's Team AY versus Team B. And it's a good
shorthand for understanding the concept of factions that I hope
people would like who are struggling with this would incorporate
into their thinking. Team AY is shorthand for like the
radical left, blue hair, trans the world, hyper anti white,
total white death, now right, crash everything, Crash America right now.
Team B is we want business as usual. We're gonna
quibble on Israel, but we need to build America up.
There's and we need like to get rid of the
street violence and the nonsense, and there's Jews of all
kinds of a bunch of different factions on each side
of these, and there's White Christians all over the place,
there's you know whatever on all sides of it. And
so you have to think about how these people groups coalesce.
Are they an immediate enemy, are they a long term enemy,
or are they not an enemy at all? They're just
not necessarily directionally with you, right, and really important to
think really clearly and not this. Every everything is a
so that when you encounter a case where they're not
a you, you don't freeze in your brain fry, like,
people need to stop with this crap.
Speaker 3: It makes coalition building impossible, even on our own side,
even with guys that are non Jewish. Right, every single
every single thing, every single thing that Carl dis mentioned
truons and blue haired people, Well, there's a team A
and a team B for that issue, right, name another issue.
There's a team A and a Team B for every
single issue. Right, it's a very it's a matrix, right,
Like we we need to think in complexity or else
we're not going to understand anything. Right, there is a
complexity behind every single issue that has a cascade, Team A,
Team B. About it, right, So at best you're going
to have a rough outline of these are the people
that are genuine generally more on a team. Okay, but
are they is that like is that circle filled with
one hundred percent red dots? No, it's not, because I'm
just going to have a dot map, just a bunch
of dots everywhere, and I'm going to have to try
and draw the ven diagram of people that are more
A than B. Like this is a complex issue, right,
Those are the people that are capable of forming groups, right,
that's coalition building can happen here. But if you go
through the whole fucking thing list of every single issue
and be like, oh, this person's a team B on
issue X, they have to go, then you're going to
have no one left to work with. And there are
people that are pretending to be our friend that are
very much in favor of that happening. Right, All of
the purity is dishonest, I Pete. You know that episode
of like Cognitive Warfare we did now Benjamin Netanyaho is
telling the world that the greatest battlefront that Israel faces
is in the mind of Americans. Well great, if you
thought it was going to be bad and confusing before
it's going to be way worse. So like these type
of skills and this paradigm, how you evaluate information around
you and what you see is really really, really important,
and you may accidentally be working against your own interests
while thinking that you're working for your own interests. Pete,
I mean, yeah, you probably see this probably more than
anybody is. Because of your visibility. People probably come at
you with the most ridiculous shit, So you have infinitely
more patience than I imagine I would. But is this
a thing that you just see as a constant stumbling
block he regardless of whatever issue is being discussed.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but you know, I've gotten to the point
where I'm not trying to change people's minds. If that's
where they are, that's where they are. You know, I'm
just going to move on. They're not part of you.
They're not somebody that I want to work with personally.
I mean, I appreciate them listening. I hope they get
a lot out of it, and I hope they make
the journey one day to you away from a place
that is unproductive in the real world. But I mean,
I see a lot of people who contact me and
reach out that they may. I mean, I assume most
of them are just really good people, but they just
aren't ready. They basically they're coming to you with how
they see the world working. And if you don't assent
to where they're at, there, you know there's something wrong
with you. You're taking Palateer money, You're taking Peter Teel money.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just.
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't. I just try to be
as polite as possible, but you know, publicly I do,
you know, I have advertise it. I want I want
this to be a Spergra free zone. And yeah, just not.
I mean, it's it's impossible because too many people now
have grown up online and their whole they have no
they have very few in real life acquaintances, do very
do very little in real life. They're definitely not organizing
trying to make their lives better and their and their
people's lives better. So, you know, I'm polite as long
as they're polite. But if you know they want to
get out of line with me, you know then and
PM I'm pretty good at getting out of line with them.
Speaker 3: So it's so dumb, man, It's so dumb. I guess
we'll leave it at this, but like, your views had
to change a lot to get you wherever you're at. Like,
let's say, if you're listening to the show, right, you
got a lot of things wrong in the past, and
now you see things much much differently. To think that
you have it one hundred percent right this moment is
as dumb as you thinking you had it one hundred
percent right before you ended up on this journey. So
if you're looking for people to validate your existing worldview,
you haven't actually taken the time to think. There's no
way that this is one hundred percent accurate my worldview.
There are things that I'm still not seeing, just like
they were things that you were still not seeing back
in five years ago when you were a normally conservative
or whatever or libertarian. Right. This is a never ending process.
It's you're never going to have an accurate description of
the world.
Speaker 2: Be humble, be flexible.
Speaker 1: We could do a whole another episode on this about
just basically how how the internet. You know, the way
I grew up was we talked to each other face
to face, and if you wanted to say some ship,
you knew that there was a chance that you were
going to get up for consequences for saying you for
saying ship yep, and yeah, I've said it forever. It's
like the problem with most people today is they've never
taken a punch to the face mm hmm yep, or
they've never punched someone.
Speaker 2: In the face. They're both wonderful experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's also like getting in trouble, Like
you have a hostile regime, chances are it's going to
fuck with you. Like there's a good chance that you're
going to get in trouble, and just like getting punched
in the face, if like you're not mentally prepared for
that eventuality, you're going to get laid out. Like these
people basically have existed in the world where there's no act,
there's no consequences for any action that they do. They
don't get punched in the face, they don't get hmmed up.
They don't they haven't really experienced anything, but they're so
sure that they have everything correct. Like the life experiences
column is blank.
Speaker 1: The anon on the internet can do some amazing things,
but they think that's all they are. Yeah, it's like
even worse, it's a bit Yeah, you know, it's like
I mean, you're not going to win this war on
the internet. You're actually going to have to get out
and meet people and organize. And then what they will
say is and what you know a lot of scumbags
and our enemies will say is well, as soon as
you do that, the Fed's infiltrate and you know, and
now everything's just a fed up.
Speaker 2: Okay, just my friend is chill.
Speaker 1: Run with that, Run with that, and then watch watch
how nothing improves for you.
Speaker 2: Nothing. Stop being a scaredy cat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like, oh, I want to change the
political regime, but I don't want to get in trouble
doing it.
Speaker 2: Well, I demand total Riyan victory without me lifting a finger.
Speaker 3: Yes exactly, I want to.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's going to win that for them. I mean
I had somebody like unsubscribe from one of my platforms,
and then the reason they unser subscribed was because I
was too black pilling. Okay, God, off your ass, go
out and do something for yourself. And you are waiting
for Donald Trump to save you, you fucking idiot.
Speaker 3: They want infotainment, Pete.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump only helps those who help themselves.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, right there, Carl, Carl do your plugs.
Speaker 2: Thanks man, great talking to both of you, had a
great time. Thank you very much. Author of two books,
Faction and Faction with Their Crusaders. We use that word
faction a lot. There's a reason I used it in
the title of my book. You need to think about factions,
not monoliths. Get with the fucking program. You can see
more of my stuff on my sub stack. That's where
I put all my podcast appearances and short articles. And
I got another short story coming up on there from
the World of Faction. Carldall dot substack dot com. Thank you, gentlemen,
happy to do it.
Speaker 1: Do you have a substack?
Speaker 3: Now, I do have a substack. I've published an audio
essay on it, and I think I should probably, judging
by the feedback, I should probably do a lot more
of them. So I'm gonna start dropping audio essays.
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 1: What's the name of the substack.
Speaker 3: It's just Stormy Waters.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I'll here, let.
Speaker 3: Me let me check. I'm kind of retarded. Yeah it is. Uh,
there you go, I'll drop in the chat. Yeah, it's
just Stormy Waters.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, gentlemen, Thank you, take care right,
Thank you.