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Everything's there. I want to welcome everyone back to the

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Peaking Yona's show. Well, we delayed this one for a

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little bit while I was dealing with some issues and

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getting take taking some time off. I got Carl Dahl

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and Stormy Waters here and I'm just going to let

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them start talking. Probably Carl's going to kick this off,

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and we are going to talk about some really really

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crazy stuff that you may not have heard of when

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it comes to the spiritual world, of the metaphysical world

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and Asia. So Carl has spent time in Asia, He's

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talked about that before, and we'll let him. Let him rip.

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Speaker 2: Carl, Thanks Pete, Thanks Stormy. I'm glad that you're both

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here to not only let me talk about my feelings

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as it relates to this issue, but I think there's

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a lot of really substantive conversations that can be had

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or stirred up based on this topic and some things

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that Stormy's talked about my experiences directly or semi indirectly

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and learning about things that I saw like after the fact. Right, So,

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as Peple pointed out, I did spend some time in

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Southeast Asia in my youth, and I was learning the

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language and working with working for an NGO that had

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primarily you know, Europeans working for it, but then we

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had some local fixers and everything, and I through this experience,

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I had some really wacky exposure to things that I

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then came home and learned more about kind of in

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retrospect as well, you know, both from people who are

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from the area specifically laos Maekong River and you know,

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also talking to you know, priests and stuff about these topics,

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because there's some wacky shit. So the first thing that

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I'll point out is that metaphysically, like the foundational building

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blocks of in all around the world are essentially the

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same when it comes to the physical world. In the

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spiritual world, I mean, there'll be different ways that things

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are expressed, but fundamentally, there's nothing in this that isn't

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explained through Christianity and Western conceptions, and there's nothing unique

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in terms of like what you're dealing with in different

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parts of the world. You're just seeing them through different

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filters or you're having, for example, what I believe is

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more encounters in areas where there is current frankly demon

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worship as well as the recency of demon worship. So

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like one of the explanations that we hear about the

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New World being spoopier then European forests, for example, is

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that Europe has been subdued. You have actual in both

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the New World and in Europe. You have religious holidays

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where the land is reclaimed for Christ and under his

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power on a regular basis. This is done in cities

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all around the New World, and particularly Catholic you know,

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Spanish cities, they do these essentially reconsecrations. That protects you.

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Church bells we've talked about pretty extensively. Church bells are

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a demon repellent. You see this in Asia as well.

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bells and the explanation from the local practitioners of Buddhism,

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little different because of syncretism. You know, you're dealing with

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different aspects of different cultures, and so it's kind of

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these things. But they do use bells in Asia to

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they're actually udly enough called the same thing, all right,

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church are called the same thing. They're both called sanctuary bells,

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and they do exactly what Karl said.

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Speaker 2: And it's really important to understand that. There's also an

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interesting thing if you've spoken with less modernity poisoned missionaries

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who've been around the world, and especially in the old

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days when people when Christians were again just less poisoned

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by modernity and less materialist in their mindset, you know,

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despite their religion. You know, right now, when missionaries go

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on these pointless missions, when you know, running around the

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world with their telescopic you know, empathy and not taking

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care of people right next door to them. You know,

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it's so that they can have a trip, and it's

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so that they can pat themselves on the back and say,

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the outer reaches in the old days. You know, there's

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some who are like doing it for the right reasons,

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but I think we're very aware that there's many who

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do not and are not if you talk to the

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people that've been around for a while. And I heard

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this all the time in the eighties and nineties in

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my church, and I don't hear it anymore, which is bizarre.

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and now they kind of treat it like the materialists,

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where they're like, oh, well, their explanation for these things

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is evil spirits because they don't really understand it. It's like, no,

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there are evil spirits out there. So let me get

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to some real examples here. Before the modern era, probably

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some point in the middle of the nineteenth century in

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the Western world, a schizophrenic person was known to be

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essentially possessed, mentally ill and possessed right, and there are

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there are some very interesting write ups from psychiatrists who

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are Christian and can interact with these people from this basis.

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There's a really good four chan write up that the

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screenshots are floating around out there that point to some

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really good work on this subject. And it's identical to

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what I heard as a kid growing up in my

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church in the eighties and nineties from people who were

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very devout, who fully believed that you're, you know, you're

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dealing with you know, powers and principalities, and their mindset

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is from that perspective, so that they can address from

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all angles what they're dealing with with people with schizophrenia.

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And I had the misfortune of a friend of mine,

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my best friend in the world, going totally crazy when

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you turned twenty one, with no hints, no information about it,

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and he basically had this schizophrenic break. You know, they

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would always describe it as bipolar, and then there's whatever

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thirty some classes of sub bipolar iterations, but it's basically

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paranoid schizophrenia where you're hearing voices that are something else,

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that is something else someone else communicating with you. It's

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not from you, and they're telling you to kill yourself.

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For example, as our friend Clay Martin would call it,

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it's the demon of suicide, right, even if we have

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other names for this entity that can dwell in many others.

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And before I went to Asia, the whole reason I'm

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bringing this up is I had kind of fallen away

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from the church essentially at this point, I was twenty one,

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twenty two thinking, you know, I knew better. You know,

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I know in my heart that this is true, but like,

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I don't really like the direction things are going, so

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I can, you know, go out on my own and

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as long as I have this belief and you know,

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my family and stuff to go back to. But I

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was kind of not fully like getting the reinforcement that

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I needed on a lot of these things. And I

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went to visit my friend in a mental institution and

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I was talking to him or his body, and behind

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his eyes that wasn't him. There was a smirk and

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there was a negative energy and when my when I

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recognized what it was, and there there would have been

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a flash of recognition in my face. It laughed at

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me because it knew that I knew that there was

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something else in there. And when his medication, you know,

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the whole biochemical explanation, his medication would be, you know,

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straight out so that he's more with it and has

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more control over himself. He would tell me, he said,

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they don't want to hear me talk about these as

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other entities other than them being thoughts that aren't my

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thoughts or their thoughts that I that I know I

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shouldn't listen to. But they won't let me say what

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it is because he's dealing with modern medicine, right, And

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that scared the hell out of me. Frankly, that made

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me say, Okay, this this whole all the stuff that

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I learned about you know, as a child from my

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grandparents in the church, like this is a real encounter

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with these things. So flash forward, it doesn't go well

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for him. He dies, I bail on America and I

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take a job that will take me far away. And

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so I was in Laos because I it was this

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thing that was available. It was a simple it was

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within my skill set to do this simple job and

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just travel around and have no responsibilities for a while

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other than just doing this job and kind of learning

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and seeing a place that I had read about and

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heard about since I was a kid, because I was

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obsessed with the Vietnam War, as you would know if

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you've listened to these seven or eight episodes I did

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with with Thomas on the subject. So anyhow, it's it's

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a very interesting, strange place because there's sheer like limestone

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kars cliffs everywhere, and jungle constantly growing unless you're fighting

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it back. And the people are extremely religious. Theravada Buddhism

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is the is the formal name for the real you know,

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the formal religion, but there is an animist thing layered

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throughout that merges beautifully with Buddhism because Buddhism acknowledges all

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these spirits that are out there and all these entities,

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and they're just put into that. They use the the

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language of Buddhism through poly script and terminology and naming

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conventions for all of these things to explain it. And

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before this the area had been Hinduized, and that was

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to give a kind of formal pomp for the organization

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of society. But these old things are still there, fortunately,

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and you know, just kind of naturally, frankly, they can

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be explained through Buddhist explanation. And I was out in

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this village, in this very remote area, and at night

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I was hearing I thought I heard drums one night,

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and I asked someone in the morning and they were

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far away, and it would have been around two or

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three in the morning when this took place. And I

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asked a host, I said, with someone playing? Are there

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people who played drums late at night? And they all

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kind of look at each other, and a guy basically says,

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I wouldn't worry about it, you know, And then we

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went to He thought it was a good idea that

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my fixer guy to go see. He was talking to

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some people and said, we're going to go see someone.

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up the stilts and you take your sandals off and

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leave them outside the door. I always wore Choco sandals

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for my hyper tactical sandals. You don't wear boots because

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the dust just gets everywhere. Boots are good, you know,

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when you're working with heavy equipment everything like that. But

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otherwise you're just going to be taking your boots and

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socks and everything off constantly. You're gonna be really dirty.

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that I'm with says, just sit here and I can

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do the talking for you. And if you have questions,

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you can ask me. But there's some areas I'll tell

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you not to say anything. And so there's some ceremony

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taking places is at night, and this man and his

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it's two guys really, one is like an assistant. It

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becomes very obvious they're lighting cigarettes and they're not like

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conventional filtered cigarettes, but they're just hand rolls. And the

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whole place is filled up with tobacco smoke very quickly.

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I'm like, okay, I recognize some of these things from

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other ceremonies. And what it is is it's a It's

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a version of what they call a bossi where they

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pull they call the family spirits and the and the

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guardians that watch over the family and the spirits in

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the area to come to. Basically, there's the bossi version

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as they give blessings. This one, it was a spirit

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medium who wanted to check some things out. And he

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starts asking me some questions and so I'm relaying them

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through my guy, whose English is pretty good, but like

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there's elements that he couldn't like fully translate that I

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would have to talk to people back home, like Lao

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who were settled here to get some full explanations. And

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the guy starts saying, when you were a child, you

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had bad dreams that all involved the same thing, and

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you thought it was a person, but it wasn't. And

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I knew immediately what he was talking about. And he said,

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it is strong, and it's been with your family for

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some time.

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Speaker 3: May such cases, but.

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Speaker 2: It will not carry on. It will not carry on.

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And I was like, what does that mean? It will

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not carry on? And he said it it's been too long,

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so I was I explained this to our mutual friend

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Philos and he said five generations, and I said, that's

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very that's very interesting that you bring that up, because

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that's in line with what this fellow was talking about.

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So let me. Let me explain what it was, because

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this is cropped up elsewhere. When I was a little kid,

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I had these recurring nightmares until I was in like

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third or fourth grade, and I wouldn't say anything about

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it until one day I told my mom, I have

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I have this dream. And it's like an old witch

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or something dressed in black, and it's a misty area

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and it's all green with no trees, like rolling like

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the moors, like from movies that I've seen as a child.

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I've never been to the UK, but it looks like that.

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And I see her from far away and she's cackling

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and it zooms up and she's like right in my face.

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And my mother's eyes go wide and she says nothing,

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and then she says, you just have to pray, and

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if this happens again, call on the name of Jesus Christ.

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And so she gave a recognition that this sounded familiar.

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I asked her about it later, and she kind of

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played it off like I don't remember that conversation. Maybe

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she did because I asked her much later. However, this

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spirit medium proceeds to explain to me precisely what I

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just described to you all, and he said, it's an

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old spirit that attached to your family, and it's still

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attached to you, but like by a thread, and that

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thread will break. And so I was like the next generation.

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So the interesting thing is, I asked my kids, you know,

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twenty some years later, do you ever have like recurring nightmares?

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Because you guys weren't really kids that had nightmares, you know.

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I remember a handful when they were very little. But

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and my you know, I explain it, and both of

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my kids just look like, I have no idea what

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you're talking about. So it's very interesting because the spirit

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medium recognized it. And another person who recognized it is

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my mother in law when she first met me and

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my folks, when my wife and I became a formal

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thing to the whole family. My mother in law, who

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is a spooky country Baptist, said to my wife, this

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is very interesting. They're very nice people, and they're genuine

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and they're good, but there's an old spirit attached to them,

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and I think you should ask your husband about it,

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well whatever fiance at the time, So we talked about

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it and uh, and then I told them about this

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experience and she was just like, huh interesting. And when

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I say spooky country Baptist, think of like the Foxfire

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series and the the old women telling stories about like

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when you go into the woods, if you hear a voice,

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don't don't answer and get out of there. You know

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that that kind of that kind of spooky country Baptist.

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So uh, it was. It was a very very interesting

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moment that made me just realize the continuity between all

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these things. And it was I basically explained right there

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to my my guy and he and they're all just

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nodding like, yeah, okay, that's that's totally normal. And it's

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because you have those conversations here and very few people

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are going to be receptive to a conversation of that type.

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So that's that storyline.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say very few, I would I would say

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like almost none. And I think before I started talking

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about it, I don't know if anybody was on like

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on our side of things, but I think it's impossible, Like,

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I think it's very unwise to not have these conversations

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because of basically what we what we have to deal with,

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and the medium of technology is actually quite a bit

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of a force multiplier, which means we should be doubly

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concerned about it. It's funny. Would you would you describe

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these dreams as being awake but unable to move? Would

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this old woman sit at the edge of your bed?

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Speaker 2: That happened one time?

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Speaker 3: You? Usually?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, usually it was not the.

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Speaker 3: Case in your room.

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Speaker 2: It would be, yes, it would be, or it would

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be I'd be in this other world and then I

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would wake up. But but what what happened is I

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would wake up and I would be, you know, frozen

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in bed and exhausted. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Wait so no, so you'd wake up and you'd be

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frozen in bed and.

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Speaker 2: Quite often, not always, but quite often, Yeah, and I

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would feel like we're still there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, awake and unable to move yep. And it being

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in your room yep. Many such cases.

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Speaker 2: But my mother was correct, because that's how I got

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it to stop, is I would pray about it every.

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Speaker 3: Night, and it's it's who's authority exactly it's all about authority.

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Speaker 2: In the name of Jesus Christ be gone, and I

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had had other.

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Speaker 3: Truth, And truly I tell you, I tell you that

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anything I am going to my father, and the Father

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shall glorify the son, and anything you ask of me

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in my name. It's very funny because you basically have

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to people don't think that these that authority matters. It

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matters to these things quite a bit. If you dare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't have authority, and if you don't

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actually believe you can say these things. And if you

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don't actually believe, it might not work out so well

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for you. It doesn't that you best start believing.

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Speaker 3: Truly, truly, if you have faith in me the size

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of a pee, you can look over at this mountain

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and say, mountain, go jump in the sea and the

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mountain we'll do it. Paraphrasing. Yeah, yeah, it's faith. You

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have to believe that the thing that you are calling

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upon has the power to do it and also has

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the authority to do it. Right. It's about intention. It

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doesn't matter what words you say, right, because words don't

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matter these things, like it doesn't have ears, right. It's

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like when you looked upon your friend right, and then

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you realized it. You didn't say any words, like it

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was not looking at your face. It does not have eyeballs, right, correct,

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you knew, and then it knows if you don't believe,

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it doesn't do anything. They're just words. They don't matter, right,

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It's the intention behind it that matters. And the reason

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that I was able to guess how your dreams happened

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is because that is a funny enough something that I

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get talked to about rather frequently. I guess I've become

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like the lightning rod for guys in our thing to

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tell me about stuff like this that they haven't told

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me buddy about before. And the old woman particularly is

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one that is a reoccurring thing. This, Uh, the Jews

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call it like it's like it's Lilith, right, it's it's

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the Yes, she's also a real problem for like you

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knows how she does. She doesn't come around when you're old.

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They only she only cares about babies. Yeah, I mean,

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And this is something that the Babylonians were describing six

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thousand years ago, right, like these things never went away, right,

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but with the Church had a methodology for exerting power

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over them and making them relent, and we've lost that.

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It's been completely drummed out of people's consciousness, even so

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much that the clergy doesn't even know basically that its

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job is a post is not just to like, they

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don't they think that that shepherding the faithful means that, oh,

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I make sure you're a good person, and I make

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sure like you do this, or you don't, like leave

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the church whatever. Like No, that's that's a portion of

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what it means. But even a lot of the clergy,

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outside of their relationship with Christ, the rest of their

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worldview is a materialist one, yes, And they're actually supposed

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to be the ones guarding, like you know, shepherding in

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the literal sense, protecting them from wolves, and that aspect

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is kind of lost and is to say it hasn't

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had a detrimental effect on our society would be an understatement,

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because our collective enemy, like I talked about with Pete

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and Filo, not only believes these things are real, but

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has spent the better part of a thousand years compiling

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the knowledge of how to you know, entice transact with

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these things to make them do what they want in exchange,

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of course, but generally that's a price that they, you know,

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aren't paying themselves, but we end up paying for So basically,

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the church at scale has forgotten that these things exist

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and that it's that their job is to protect people

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from them or give them the tools to protect themselves.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. The other the other team that transaction, which

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we can get into later.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but real quick about the about your mom

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or sorry, your mom and your stepmom. Does your step

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mom have green eyes.

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Speaker 2: My mother in law? No, no blue.

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Speaker 3: Eyes or green eyes amber amber. Yeah, okay, so that's

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even rarer. Everybody thinks that like blue eyes are like

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super rare. It's actually greens and ambers that are the rarest.

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There seems to be a type of But there's another

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popular guy in our sphere who also had the same

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dream repetitively, and the only person in the family that

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was kind of aware of what was up was the grandmother.

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Mom not so much because that type of that instinct

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usually skips a generation. And I asked him. I was like, okay,

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so like, what about you know, cousins, And he's like, well,

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all of you know, because that would be two generations.

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All the ladies are insane, they you know, clinically they

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think that, you know, they're diagnosed with like bipolar or

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schizophrenya or whatever, but that's actually not what's happening, right, Like,

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their grandmother existed in a time where there was a

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framework for the gift that they I shouldn't say gift

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because it's.

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Speaker 2: Not you often don't want to see these things.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's pretty fucking terrible, and at least in the

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grandmother's generation, a framework existed to where not only she

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could grapple with this in a way that wasn't you know,

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going to make her insane, but actually use it to

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protect the family. Right. So unfortunately the daughters and well sorry,

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the granddaughters have basically been given the same gift and

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instead of them using it, like as women always have

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a better sense of this than men, no matter whether

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they you know, have the gift or not. A woman

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is like half in our world and half out. But

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the and the thing that you know they inherited is

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basically being numbed out of their brain and they are

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they have been convinced that they are, you know, mentally defective.

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It seems like it was a sense that we in

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our previous times, when the world was a lot less

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advanced served a very important purpose, right like evolutionarily to

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where like you know, anyways, go on, I didn't mean

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to interrupt.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I think that's all. That's all a good

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you know, reinforcement of what we're talking about, and the

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fact that a lot of this has been lost that

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I wouldn't have been befuddled by these things one hundred

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and fifty years ago, two hundred years ago. Right. Let

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me just tell a very quick story. When I was

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a kid, a kid who grew up in my I

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grew up in church with in the late seventies, uh

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had to have an exorcism, And I grew up in

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a non denominational evangelical church that was very Lutheran informed,

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like in terms of the doctrine and everything. It was

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almost completely Lutheran in terms of you know, the seminaries

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and everything that there. Where this flows from ethnic you

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know Pacific Northwest, you know Ethnics that are blended Anglo,

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you know, Germanic basically everybody. And this was a very

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serious thing to where they had to get a Catholic

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priest who specialized in this to deal with it, because again,

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you know, your average pastor is is able to recognize

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what's or should be able to recognize what's taking place,

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doesn't necessarily know how to deal with it in an

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extreme case, in a way that everyone will get through

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this without being hurt, right, And that was the big concern.

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That he was very young when this happened. I want

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to say, three or four years old, Uh, maybe five.

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And moving forward, he's completely stable and did very well.

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And all these other kids they grew up with him,

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because ten years later, why would you take that seriously? Right,

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it's like the late eighties, Like why would you why

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would you think that that would be a concern that

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you can't just deal with with like treatment or sending

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them to you know, uh, what is it or whatever?

476
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:39,159
Speaker 3: Oh?

477
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And so when kids would have get into

478
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,400
trouble and get into drugs and stuff, like tons of

479
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,599
these kids are schizos now because they were just like, oh, well,

480
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:55,000
we'll send them to this like you know, out bounds

481
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,519
program or whatever, instead of dealing with it in the way,

482
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,880
you know, in a real religious fashion.

483
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,559
Speaker 3: Yep. So the Catholic predis tell me how that went.

484
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know a ton about it, but

485
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,760
it was all I know is it was an ordeal.

486
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,400
They tried to deal with it with this incident, because

487
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,039
again I was very young. I would have been three

488
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,920
or four, and I only remembered I remember hearing about

489
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,639
it when I was really young and having like a

490
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,360
twenty minute conversation with his father about it when I

491
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,320
was in high school, because I it was right before

492
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,079
we were all graduating, and I wanted to ask him

493
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,079
because he was a great guy who was an elder.

494
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,800
My dad and him were elders in the church, and

495
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,760
I just was like, I remember this, Can I ask

496
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,119
you some questions about it? Or is it too uncomfortable?

497
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,000
And he very openly talked about it, and yeah, they

498
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,079
had to get a Catholic priest that was I think

499
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,760
he came from even from out of state to do it.

500
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: This is the really sad thing about it, is so

501
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:07,519
like the Catholic Church, which is one of the I mean,

502
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,639
it's my confessional heritage. But one of the things that

503
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,559
brought me back to the Catholic Church is because and

504
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:27,679
you know, my journey through mysticism, which you know, comprised

505
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:32,199
like a bulk of my formative you know, adult years

506
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:39,599
thinking about you know, spirituality. I hate that word. Yeah,

507
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:44,000
was in that framework. So the Catholic Church really was

508
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:48,159
the only one that had the language to address what

509
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:55,199
I already knew existed, and it basically allowed me to,

510
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,639
you know, have a dialogue with my faith in the

511
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:03,039
way that like I am reading about things that I

512
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:08,440
have experienced, it is describing things as I have experienced them. It,

513
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,639
you know, it was basically talking to me. But the

514
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:18,199
Catholic Church used to have, you know, because the other

515
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:20,679
thing is that the fact that you were able to

516
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:25,719
find an exorcist is a blessing, right. There used to

517
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,280
be hundreds of them, because an exorcist is is sanctioned

518
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,440
directly by the Pope, right like they're they're they're like

519
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,440
a separate thing. Like they're not, you know, preaching to

520
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,679
the congregation. This is what they do. This is the

521
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,000
necessary service that they perform in the.

522
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:57,599
Speaker 2: World spiritual special forces and the doctrine that they like.

523
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,559
Speaker 3: The tools at their disposal are tools accumulated over you know,

524
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,960
fifteen hundred years, and it's not an easy thing, all right.

525
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:10,920
So there used to be more of them, and now

526
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,320
I think there's only like I don't know the exact number.

527
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,480
I have a friend that lives in Vatican City that

528
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,559
told me it's like less than twenty Wow for the world.

529
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:26,400
Think about that in a time where we are like

530
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:33,719
that's great, exactly, like when Satan's actually on the march. Now,

531
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,039
like we have the least amount of exorcists and the

532
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:40,920
process is not like easy. It's not like you just

533
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,079
like wave some holy water around. I urge anyone that's

534
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:54,559
listening to search the exorcism of Roland Doe. Doe, all right,

535
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,679
it's an It's the exorcism that the movie The Exorcist

536
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,920
is based on. And that's by this way, the movie,

537
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:06,320
for as scary as it was, whatever, is a sanitized

538
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:12,719
version of what actually happened, right, it's a much more

539
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,400
mild version. And this was witnessed by over one hundred

540
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,639
people because of who the family was, right as the

541
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,119
upper crust of Saint Louis, Missouri society. So they had

542
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,599
access to the best doctors in the state, the best

543
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:33,400
psychiatrist in the state, right, the best of everything, and

544
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,599
boy did they try all of them. So the amount

545
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:41,480
of you know, medical professionals that witnessed what was happening

546
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,519
made it something that's not really disputable, so much so

547
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,000
that the cross used in the exorcism is in the

548
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:58,639
Lewis Museum, like today, it's a very real thing, like

549
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,039
this isn't a fucking nan Joe or it's not like

550
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,239
a matter of faith, like oh I don't believe in that, Like, well, sorry,

551
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,119
it believes in you.

552
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,159
Speaker 2: Interesting. It took and it's wow.

553
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: Two weeks, thirteen fourteen hours a day. It took two exorcists.

554
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: This this kid's was I know, it was an ordeal,

555
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,960
and it took it took months to get it to

556
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,039
where they had the right person come out, and it

557
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:29,719
took multiple days.

558
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,559
Speaker 3: Yep, wild I wish that happened to your I wish

559
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,119
that happened to your your friend growing up.

560
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: I know exactly. I know, yeah, exactly.

561
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: What was he doing right prior to this? You know,

562
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,800
I went in too.

563
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: What I can say is that he did psychedelics before

564
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:01,199
he was eighteen, which is not a good thing people

565
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,360
out there. That's a very that's very bad.

566
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: Happy to explain why if anyone wants to reach out

567
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
to me, like, oh no, I've had great experience with this, Like, yes,

568
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,159
that is possible, but unless you acknowledge the possibility, unless

569
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,400
you were reading the warning label on the back of

570
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,760
the fucking box and you understand the risk, then don't

571
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,519
put it in your body.

572
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: And the one of the unfortunate things is that we

573
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:36,239
then found out later, like after everything, that in her

574
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:41,679
his mother's brother, who had committed suicide around the same age,

575
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:48,920
you know, forty years before, had been schizophrenic. And no

576
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,639
one they never knew that. No one knew this, like

577
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:59,280
even her husband didn't know this. And so yeah, it's

578
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:01,840
people talk about things.

579
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: Please, Well, yeah, you Stormy mentioned Roland Doe. How deep

580
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,960
have you gone into that? Do you know what he

581
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,159
was what he was doing?

582
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: That's exactly where I was going with this Pete.

583
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: Oh no, he had nothing to do with those kinds

584
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,519
of devices. It would have been chemical only this friend

585
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:28,159
of mine.

586
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:37,119
Speaker 3: I mean, Roland Doe was like what was it, was

587
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:38,360
he like thirteen or fourteen?

588
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He was fourteen and his aunt Harriet

589
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:51,280
introduced him, who was a spiritualist, introduced him to auija

590
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,159
board when he expressed interest in it.

591
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,639
Speaker 3: Yep, that's all it takes, like the movie, just like

592
00:43:56,679 --> 00:44:01,360
the Yep, that's all it takes. So all of these

593
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,599
people doing like oh I'm all these girls you know,

594
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,280
you know, oh, I'm just spiritual, and then they think

595
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,519
that they can kind of like forge their own theology,

596
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,800
you know, crystals, like you don't know what you're fucking with,

597
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,440
like you think you do, but you don't. And unfortunately,

598
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:33,519
ignorance to the rules is not innocence, right, Ignorance of

599
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:35,599
the law is not innocence of the law.

600
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:39,159
Speaker 2: That reminds me of all the normies being one shotted

601
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:44,360
by like ayahuasca, d MT Salvia divinorum, Oh, all the

602
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,440
most pernicious.

603
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:53,039
Speaker 3: I met some deities, some spirit elve creatures, and they

604
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:56,079
exist outside of space and time and these things that

605
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,599
exist forever. They really really care about helping me with

606
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,840
my specific They.

607
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: Would never lie to me. Come two years later they

608
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,840
realize that they lie to them.

609
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: They always lie. They can only do. They can't do

610
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,800
anything but lie.

611
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: From that lovely anime series, Freeer and Demons learned human

612
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,400
language so that they could lie and deceive and conquer humanity.

613
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: That's all they do. Like, I can't express this enough,

614
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:29,920
which is why we do.

615
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 2: Is when people talk about like psychedelic therapy, you have

616
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,719
to keep in mind, yeah, they could be lying to

617
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:45,920
you also some things like I think there's there's legitimate

618
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,719
cases where if someone is at the end of the

619
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,880
rope where they might kill themselves, where in the right

620
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,400
circumstances with a guide with the right.

621
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 3: Thing PTSD, I think is probably the only use case

622
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,159
that I've.

623
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:00,559
Speaker 2: Found it that's about it because it because it does

624
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,360
it does a factory reset, and.

625
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: That's actually what opens you up exactly, right. So the

626
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:12,760
reason that you saw these things, these dreams as a child,

627
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:18,719
but you didn't as like a late teen in or

628
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,039
in the early twenties, is because there's a flexibility, right,

629
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:30,119
a neuro plasticity, like the neurological pathways haven't solidified like

630
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,000
when you're young, right, your brain is still wiring itself,

631
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:41,280
so the antenna that it has is much more open,

632
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:46,320
and you narrow the frequencies as you get older because

633
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:53,880
your brain is constantly sorting. Right, things like what you

634
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,719
see out of your eyes is actually not the reality

635
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:02,440
that exists in front of you. You think it is,

636
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,760
but that's really just the very limited series of photons

637
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,840
that your eye is able to focus on at every

638
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,360
any given time. People barely know what's happening in their

639
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,760
peripheral vision, right, So the picture of the world that

640
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,360
people have that they exist in is not the world

641
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,239
that they exist in. They forget how they interact with

642
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:32,159
the world. Right, You are a brain in a jar

643
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:40,199
using sensory organs right, limited sensory organs. So if you

644
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:49,679
limit your perception to only what you can see, then

645
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,920
you're missing out on a very large portion of what's

646
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,800
actually happening. And a child hasn't done that stack ranking, right,

647
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:04,599
hasn't done that input accounting to where It's just like, oh,

648
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,480
the you know, like you think about like your drive

649
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:11,199
home from work. Anyone that's listening to this that has

650
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:14,679
a commute, you know, a twenty thirty hour long commute.

651
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,320
You get into your car, and then you get home.

652
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,599
You near as makes no difference teleport home. If I

653
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,519
were asked you what happened on your commute, you wouldn't

654
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:33,280
be able to tell me because your brain has basically

655
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,760
seen that route so many times there is no new

656
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:43,280
information to log, so it doesn't. Right. Cognitive capacity is

657
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,000
incredibly calorically intensive. Thinking is the hardest thing that your

658
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,519
body has to do, So whenever your brain has a

659
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,679
chance to not it doesn't. It's just like if you

660
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,800
stay inside all day inside your house, could do nothing

661
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,840
at all, but it seems like the day flies by.

662
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,840
It didn't fly by. There's just no new information for

663
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,079
your brain to log into memory. It is your memory

664
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,840
that gives you your perception of time. Time does not

665
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,280
exist in the way you think it does, the way

666
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,960
you experience it. The world around you doesn't exist in

667
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:32,239
the way you experience it, right, Like, I don't know

668
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,880
how to put it, but there is a wavelength of light.

669
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:41,719
I guess I explain it. You know, Carl, you're a

670
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,480
gun artist, all right. I'm imagining you've got, you know,

671
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,039
a pair of you know, either binos or a monocle,

672
00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:02,599
so you're very familiar seeing only in infrared light. You

673
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:04,760
can see things an infrared like that you can't with

674
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,440
your visible eye, even if there's sunlight, right yep, Like

675
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:13,280
not you notice it in like animal furs are entirely different. Yes, yeah,

676
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,000
Like I tell the story of like I almost stepped

677
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,159
on a rabbit because I didn't see a rabbit. I

678
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:25,719
saw a black like solid black outline. And only when

679
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,280
I was right about to step on it that I

680
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,360
realized that this thing is rabbit shaped. And I was like,

681
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,840
holy shit, that's a rabbit. And I almost stepped on it,

682
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:38,039
but I couldn't see it at all because it's fur

683
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,880
reflected or sorry, absorbed infrared light. Interesting, So how many

684
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:49,599
rabbits exist that reflect the visible light spectrum? If a,

685
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,960
I mean, it's only a little bit further on the wavelengths,

686
00:50:54,559 --> 00:51:01,360
And if it just reflected a different set right, you

687
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,079
wouldn't be able to see it. It could be standing

688
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,519
right in front of your face and you would have

689
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:07,480
no idea it was there.

690
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: This is an excellent, excellent CEGEU for exactly that topic

691
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,519
as it relates to spooky Asian black magic.

692
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,519
Speaker 3: Oh nvg's ready to hear it. Yeah, oh real quick, Yeah,

693
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,480
next time you have them on you live in the

694
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:32,400
Pacific northwest, correct, find a nice patch of non treeified

695
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,840
area and just stare up at the sky for at

696
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,079
least thirty minutes. There's all types of little things running

697
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:42,000
around up there, isn't there.

698
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: It's incredible, Yes, yes, it's amazing.

699
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. Earth is a busy place.

700
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,119
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on up there.

701
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,199
Speaker 3: Yep. Anyways, so things that we can't see that or

702
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,199
we we don't see anymore.

703
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: Yes, so I was, I was in a The biggest

704
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,840
thing about Laos is that like almost all the old

705
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:19,320
stuff is in ruins because of successions of wars with

706
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,760
the Siamese. They would just go in and like raise

707
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:28,199
towns and cities. If you leave it alone for two years,

708
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,719
it's going to get covered in jungle, et cetera. Right,

709
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:38,639
But there's old sites where they have monasteries around them

710
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:45,440
because before Buddhism, there would be human sacrifices in these places.

711
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,599
There's a place called Watpu down in Champa Sak. It's

712
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:56,719
incredibly cool. It's basically the northernmost Khmer outpost from the

713
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:05,800
old Khmer Empire, and it there were human sacrifices there.

714
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:12,400
Although the archaeologists will argue this, the royal family who's

715
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,519
still around of Champa Soak in that region has the

716
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:22,480
old stories and they'd say no, they used to, you know,

717
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:30,159
like annually sacrifice two virgins in front of this like

718
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:38,840
Shiva Linga and CALLI right, yes, yes, correct, correct Collie.

719
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:45,159
But there's there's stuff for Shiva around this area. So anyway, speaking.

720
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,159
Speaker 3: Of Collie, blood for the Blood God.

721
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I When my wife and I were first freshly married,

722
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,719
we went to New York City to visit a friend

723
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,719
of hers. And this was the year after nine to eleven,

724
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,480
and we went for New Years and they shut down

725
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:07,119
the whole city, you know, security wise, Like all the

726
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:12,880
tunnels were totally filled with armed men and they were

727
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:18,760
filtering access to any large events. And we saw the

728
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,440
Metropolitan Museum of Art and we're like, hey, why don't

729
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,679
we go check out the met And they had an

730
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,320
Asian art exhibit in there, Asian quote unquote art.

731
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 3: Right.

732
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:37,639
Speaker 2: I mentioned that my wife's mother is a spooky country Baptist.

733
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,599
My wife is definitely very perceptive to certain kinds of

734
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:47,599
things as well. Yeah, and very very very good, very good,

735
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:51,559
greater than greater than the sum of the parts. And

736
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:56,199
we were up in this area looking at stuff. We're like, okay,

737
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:01,360
this is interesting, you know, cool buddhistatutes. And then we

738
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,199
go into this corridor where there's smaller statuary and they

739
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,960
have all these little segmented rooms and this is a

740
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,639
long time ago. I tried to look it up before this,

741
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,880
and I don't think it's part of a permanent collection.

742
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,559
It might have been a temporary collection just being displayed.

743
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,880
And before I went through this doorway, the walls were

744
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,599
black in this area. My wife says, something is creeping

745
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:30,960
me out. In the next room, can you look? And

746
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,320
I look in and I'm like, oh, there's just little

747
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,159
statues and stuff, and she's like, okay. It felt very weird.

748
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,159
And then she steps into the room and she's like,

749
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:43,039
it's coming from over there, and she points towards this

750
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,960
section where there's you know, they're on little pillars and

751
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,320
they have a statue and there's light shining down from

752
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,159
the ceiling. And I walked up to this thing that

753
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,079
was in the area where she was pointing at, and

754
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:00,360
it was a Collie statue, Collie multi arms holding not vives.

755
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:03,400
But here's the thing. I knew that it was a

756
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,639
Collie statue from like the pose and everything, but I

757
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:10,320
couldn't focus on the face. There was like a blur

758
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:18,360
in like that I could see in front of it.

759
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,559
And the way I would describe it is it it

760
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:26,239
was the kind of blur that you see in the

761
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:32,679
fields when you're on psychedelics at night, like the visual distortion.

762
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,840
But it was very distorted, like I couldn't focus on

763
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,320
the face. You know. Of course you can see the

764
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,920
form of the statue and I could focus on certain things.

765
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,039
And then I looked at the the description of the

766
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,199
art piece, and it was from Indonesia, and there had

767
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,840
been human sacrifices for hundreds of years in front of

768
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,039
this statue.

769
00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 3: How big was the statue It.

770
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: Was about eighteen inches high maybe, and it was made

771
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:01,840
of silver.

772
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: It's an ambulet. It's not a statue.

773
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,639
Speaker 2: It was wild.

774
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 3: It was an amulet. It can be a statue, it

775
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,559
can be anything.

776
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,599
Speaker 2: Right, it's a tether, Yes, precisely.

777
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:27,639
Speaker 3: That's what it is. Right. So they weren't giving sacrifices

778
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:37,039
to a statue, giving sacrifices to the deity, because that's statue. Right.

779
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,519
So this is the thing about displaying like Egyptian statues everywhere.

780
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,199
The Egyptians didn't carve them as statues. Oh like, this

781
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,840
looks like the thing that we worship. That's cool. It's

782
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,599
like a nice little reminder. No no, no, no, like

783
00:57:56,639 --> 00:58:01,480
that's our western brains putting spin on it. If you

784
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:05,559
were to ask an Egyptian priest what that is or

785
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,199
why he is making it, he's not going to tell you.

786
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,039
It is a memento. So when I look at it,

787
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:17,280
I remember the deity. They make it to then put

788
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:24,039
the deity in it physically. But since they can't put

789
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,239
a deity in it. What they do is they create

790
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:33,679
an amulet. Right, So it's like a tether. A good

791
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:37,519
way to explain it is like the sim It's all

792
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:43,039
about the intention, right. So like I've given up on

793
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:49,199
Italian automobiles, but let's just say I have it, and

794
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,639
I draw a picture of a Ferrari in my driveway,

795
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:00,480
all right. I draw a picture of a Ferrari, and

796
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,239
then I go out into my driveway and place it

797
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:13,039
in my driveway. I go back inside. All right. If

798
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:19,599
I were to like meditate deeply and you know, fall

799
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:24,760
out of my body and float around, there's going to

800
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,519
be a Ferrari in my driveway. Any spirit is going

801
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:34,679
to see a Ferrari in my driveway, right, because the

802
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:39,239
intention that a thing is being made with is the

803
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,159
only thing that transfers, right. Every intention is what matters.

804
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:51,559
So that statue, just like that piece of paper that

805
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:57,000
I drew a picture on, is a tether between the

806
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,000
ferrari that exists in my driveway in this other place

807
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:05,280
and the picture of the Ferrari that I put out

808
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,159
in my driveway. It's just a picture, it's just a drawing.

809
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:17,159
But there is a connection between a ferrari that exists

810
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:21,840
on the spiritual plane that is very real and a

811
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,000
picture that I have, and these two things never get disconnected, right.

812
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:29,280
It's like a route that can be traveled back and

813
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,440
forth between the thing and the amulet of a thing.

814
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,239
So this is why I believe it was in the

815
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:43,559
fifteen hundreds, fourteen hundreds, I can't remember. They it's very famous, well,

816
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,519
not very famous, but you have to go look it

817
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:49,599
up and you'll find it. They brought over an obelisk

818
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,079
from Egypt and they put it in one of the

819
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:56,400
Vatican gardens, and a whole bunch of bad stuff started happening,

820
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,360
so much so that, I mean the poet liked it

821
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,079
because it is pretty. I believe it's still there to

822
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:08,480
this day. But the Pope had to perform an exorcism

823
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:14,519
himself while on this obelisk to get the thing out

824
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:18,320
of it that came from Egypt that wasn't happy it

825
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,440
came from Egypt. So it caused all types of you know,

826
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:23,599
raised all types of hell.

827
01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:31,679
Speaker 2: Do you want a nice example of another type from

828
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,280
Southeast Asia? The speakiest I have in my quiver? Yeah, okay,

829
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:42,000
this is dark black magic. You know, if you read

830
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:46,639
about the Vietnam war and stuff. You'll see tales of,

831
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:53,639
especially like the hill tribes getting protective tattoos. But everyone

832
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,400
does this in some way or another, and you know,

833
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:05,079
various levels of purported power. Well, the interesting thing is

834
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:10,400
that in the monasteries there the Buddhist monasteries monks that

835
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,000
stay for a long time. Quite often it ends up

836
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,440
being a form of a sanitarium, you know, just like

837
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,639
in the old monasteries in Europe and everything were. But

838
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,960
the monks can explore their interests and quite often this

839
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:35,599
involves magic. And one of the greatest temptations is that

840
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:40,400
black magic is very lucrative, and so keeping monks away

841
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,440
from that is a big deal. And a friend of

842
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,320
mine who was low explained something that I saw to me.

843
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:50,440
I had seen this little protective amulet that was shriveled

844
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:53,199
up and it looks almost like a little black shrimp

845
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,679
or a fetus or something, and it looked like it

846
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,159
was lacquered. And I asked him about it, and he said, oh,

847
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,760
it is lacquered and it is a fetus. And I

848
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,679
was like, what are you talking about, And he said,

849
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:11,079
this is the darkest black magic. For it to really work,

850
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:15,400
it's so evil. I have to like, pause before I

851
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:20,119
say it. You have to take the woman you love,

852
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:23,239
and you must love her for it to work, because

853
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,480
again this is the binding of this evil entity to you.

854
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,719
You have to experience extreme loss and suffering and what

855
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,559
killing the goodness and love in yourself. And you must

856
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:41,440
take her and impregnate her, kill her, cut out the fetus,

857
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:44,159
and then perform a ritual, and then you wear the

858
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:49,679
fetus as a protective amulet for yourself. And in Thailand

859
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:55,079
you can buy these amulets and their fetuses. Maybe maybe not.

860
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,440
They might be getting them from abortion clinics, you know,

861
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,400
that kind of stuff. You know, but everyone says that

862
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,519
doesn't really work. But the other one with bullshit?

863
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 3: Do you want to tell why they care about abortion

864
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:09,000
so much?

865
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:11,239
Speaker 2: Do tell.

866
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: All right to kill a baby before it is born?

867
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:21,320
Is that it? So? Why do Why do these evil

868
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:24,760
fucking people, why do they care about kids so much?

869
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,239
Why is it that every time we, you know, turn

870
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,519
over a stone. There's like all of the people in

871
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:39,719
the Jeffrey Epstein scandal that are all attached in Jeffrey's orbit,

872
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:46,760
from Lex Wexner to Igor Kolomoiski. They're not just regular

873
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:55,320
Jews they're shabbat nicks, right. Shabad is a mystical form

874
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,960
of Judaism, a magic form of Judaism, right, so hard

875
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:07,280
and the Kabbalah less of the talmut, and these people

876
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,800
act to actively practice magic. It's the very real thing

877
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,880
to them. Right. So again, like, if these people rule

878
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,719
the world, that's what I'm being told, then the people

879
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,440
that run the show sure believe that this has a

880
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,880
lot of firepower. So the reason they go after children

881
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:34,960
is because the child is the closest to God, right,

882
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,559
not just in the fact that they are innocent, but

883
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:47,880
like an infant, the infant hasn't developed any opinions, any thoughts,

884
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,440
It hasn't imbibed the opinions of others. Right, It's just

885
01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:57,639
a little ball of pure awareness. And that's what your

886
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:02,280
soul is, right. So, like the infant hasn't basically built

887
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,239
up an ego yet, it has no concept of self.

888
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:14,159
It's just soul embodied and as it grows older, it

889
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:19,320
creates you know. Well, but the trinity in man is mind,

890
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:24,800
body and spirit. Everyone sorry, mind soul and spirit or

891
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,599
body soul spirit. I think I fucked that one out.

892
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,800
The tripartite nature of man is his physical body, his

893
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,159
spirit we can call his consciousness or his conscious mind,

894
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:47,559
and his soul. The soul is different and distinct from

895
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:54,159
the conscious mind. So the baby doesn't have any of that.

896
01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:59,840
It is just body and soul. It will slowly develop

897
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,880
conscious mind, but it doesn't have one yet. And that's

898
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,599
about as peer of a thing as you can get.

899
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,920
But if you can get it before it's born, you

900
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:16,400
now have it without original sin. Why does everyone want

901
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:21,280
to call me when I like, my phone's not moved

902
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:23,880
all day, but now all of a sudden. Anyways, it's

903
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,800
funny how that goes. That was de so it was

904
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:36,880
probably calling to yell at me about something. So, yeah,

905
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:39,920
if it's not born yet, it doesn't have original sin yet,

906
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:51,039
it's the most pure offering. Right, So the deal, the

907
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:55,679
pact that is being made with whatever demon follows that

908
01:07:55,679 --> 01:08:00,920
little amulet around, is probably the probably like the bee's

909
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,320
knees like gold good silver, all right, blood is better.

910
01:08:07,639 --> 01:08:11,719
Blood is the spiritual currency. Like we could see that

911
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,199
in the Old Testament, God's laying down the law. He's like, listen,

912
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,560
if you kill an animal, you make sure that you

913
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,840
drip drain that animal. Right, the blood and the meat

914
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,479
is not for you. The blood is for me, for

915
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:38,560
the repentance of your sin. It's currency to them, like

916
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,159
it's life. There's something in blood. I don't know what.

917
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:48,600
I'm not a biologist, but there's something going on in there.

918
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,720
So that does not surprise me at all. I have

919
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:58,760
some interesting Asian flavored stories as well. A good friend

920
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,760
of mine, actually the guy that's my banker and a

921
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,880
very good friend, which is probably why I like, you know,

922
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,840
I trust him as much as I do. But he

923
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,399
spent a lot of time in Asia when nobody else

924
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,000
was right, so he's he's a lucky guy, all right.

925
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:20,920
All of like in the eighties, all of the young

926
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:25,760
you know, Goldman and JP Morgan guys, they're all trying

927
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:33,159
to go to Japan and he goes to China. Wow,

928
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:36,840
all right, which you know, being the only guy of

929
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,439
a major American bank in China probably didn't seem that

930
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:45,760
exciting to people that didn't know anything about China. But like,

931
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:53,039
what is it is a seven or nine families in

932
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:55,079
China or they call him like the nine Princelings.

933
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe.

934
01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:02,279
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, there's there's a there's a class of Chinese

935
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:05,359
that have a tremendous, tremendous amount of capital, right on

936
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,159
par with any of our you know, Bill Gates or

937
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,560
our Elon Musk's is that no one talks about, like

938
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,119
these people exist outside of the CCP. All right, But yeah,

939
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:21,359
he was a lucky duck because China would then, you know,

940
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,840
in less than five or six years, the wealthy in

941
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:31,199
China became wealthy beyond anyone's like wildest dreams. But he

942
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:35,720
spent a lot of time in Indonesia, in Laos, in Vietnam,

943
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:42,560
in Malaysia, and one of the stories that he told

944
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,760
me was he was given like he was basically I

945
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,359
think doing what you were doing, like just being a

946
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:52,000
young man wanting to explore as much of Southeast Asia

947
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,720
as possible, because I mean, it is the place that

948
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,680
is still wild enough for adventures to actually happen. You know,

949
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:06,640
it's not all it's not as it's not like the West.

950
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,039
People people there live like the Stone Age.

951
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: When I was there, that there were two things that

952
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:20,600
would commonly happen as you would interact with tourists who

953
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,279
are like they would complain that there was no tourist

954
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:28,000
infrastructure there, and it's like, yeah, congratulations, like you you

955
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:30,800
can't just like hop on a bus and have everything

956
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,039
go smoothly, right, You have to like actually learn to

957
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:38,359
interact with these people. And then the other one was

958
01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:41,199
you'd go out into remote areas and people would own

959
01:11:41,279 --> 01:11:43,319
like two items with iron in them, but then they

960
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:45,439
would also have a cell phone.

961
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 3: That's funny. So they only have like two or three

962
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,800
pieces of metal objects.

963
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:55,039
Speaker 2: Correct, but a phone, every and everything handmade.

964
01:11:56,199 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 3: Just wild as they got cell phone service out there.

965
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: So here's the thing is they were able to leap

966
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,600
frog like these tech epochs because it's really easy to

967
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,800
build a cell tower up on a mountaintop with a

968
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:16,600
generator and just run like connect the whole country that way.

969
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 3: Oh wow, they're all running on That makes so much

970
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,159
sense because you couldn't run the power infrastructure.

971
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the power infrastructure came later where they just went

972
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:33,479
hydro electric and there's because there's so many rivers there

973
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,479
that it's basically the battery. Like their their chief exupport

974
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,560
is power to Vietnam and Thailand and China.

975
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the altitude like there?

976
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: It's not super high, but it where it's steep and

977
01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:01,640
so up up in like the the on a mountain range.

978
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:07,079
It just plunges. The rivers just plunge out, and so

979
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,279
they put them hard against the mountain range because by

980
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:12,319
the time they get to the Maykong they're in these

981
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:16,439
like fairly level areas, but it's extremely steep in the

982
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,960
mountains and it just drops out of nowhere where they

983
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,079
come from underground out of caves like these crazy rivers

984
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:23,640
and stuff.

985
01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 3: Oh that's crazy. I was actually at the brought up

986
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:32,560
the More earlier I was. I visited The More about

987
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,560
a month or two back, and there's a there's a

988
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:44,760
place called Dartmoor which has which is funny enough, which

989
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:51,960
is very funny for me personally, which is where the

990
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:58,600
the Baskerville hound story originated. Yes, indeed, yeah, and a

991
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:05,680
black dog has been like something that pops in and

992
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,479
out of like my life story for you know, since

993
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,399
I was born. But I find it really funny. But

994
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:17,720
they have this place called the Devil's Pool, which is

995
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:23,399
about maybe five or six miles from where the More starts.

996
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,800
The More is a very interesting place. It's really cool.

997
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,319
You know, there's wild ponies that run around.

998
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 2: Oh interesting. I did not know, like.

999
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 3: Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. They just come

1000
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,239
up and you know, sometimes they're skittish whatever, but it's

1001
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:40,760
really cool. You can go like walk the more and

1002
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:43,600
like go see some of the ruins that are all

1003
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,159
throughout there, and then they'll just be like wild ponies

1004
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:50,159
running around you just eating grass like the cows and

1005
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:53,399
the sheep. It's pretty cool. But yeah, there's a place

1006
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,399
called the Devil's Pool, which is one of these things

1007
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:59,880
that you're describing with these rivers that literally just plunge

1008
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:09,239
out of a cliff. It looks like a cave, but

1009
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:15,720
all like, like the cave is huge, but the river

1010
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,920
that comes pouring out of this thing is is equally

1011
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,720
as huge. Right, you see so much water coming out,

1012
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,920
You're like, how is how is even this massive hole? Somehow?

1013
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,760
Like this doesn't seem big enough for the amount of

1014
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,439
water that's coming out. It's wild. But yeah, I think

1015
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,199
I know what you're talking about with like the water

1016
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:36,840
coming out of caves and then falling down you know,

1017
01:15:37,079 --> 01:15:42,920
the mountains. But the reason I bring up Pete's story

1018
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:50,039
his name is also Pete, is because he we were

1019
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:54,640
talking about amulets earlier. So he was given a cool

1020
01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,479
knife by one of the uh one of the people

1021
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:04,039
in like the village that he was staying at. He

1022
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:06,640
was like, oh, this is really really nice, and he

1023
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,119
tried to I think he gave the guy. I can't

1024
01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:12,279
remember what it was. It wasn't money, it was something

1025
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:17,319
that he had in his kit. And about a day

1026
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:22,239
later he got really really sick and was sick for

1027
01:16:22,319 --> 01:16:27,399
like two weeks, and no matter what they no matter

1028
01:16:27,399 --> 01:16:31,520
what he did. He went into town, got you know, medicine,

1029
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,479
went to town again. When that didn't work, you know,

1030
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,359
tried to see a doctor. Doctor didn't know what to do,

1031
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:42,399
gave him different medicine, and it was just getting progressively

1032
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:45,279
worse and worse, to the point where he was almost

1033
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:53,720
entirely bedridden. And they basically like helper slash housekeeper person

1034
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,000
he didn't speak much English, was like, you need to like,

1035
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:00,840
you know, you need to come with me. I need

1036
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,880
we need to go and take you to see this guy.

1037
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,960
You know, will you know, make you not sick anymore?

1038
01:17:08,319 --> 01:17:11,760
And he go like you know, he gets up and

1039
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:15,640
manages to make out of the door, and the lady

1040
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,319
runs back inside and grabs his dagger that he had

1041
01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:23,039
given and you know stick sticks it in his belt

1042
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:29,079
strap and they go walk, you know, basically through the woods.

1043
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:31,880
I mean, all of these villages, all of these you know,

1044
01:17:32,079 --> 01:17:37,039
dwellings are separated by little tiny walking paths. And they

1045
01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:40,960
get to this old guy in his house and as

1046
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,800
soon as he as soon as he walks in, the

1047
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,319
old guy yanks the dagger out of his belt, throws

1048
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:50,520
it on the ground like it's you know, five hundred

1049
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,520
degrees you know and burning. Just immediately like flicks it,

1050
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,439
picks it up, barely touching it, throws it on the ground,

1051
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:03,760
and then starts sprinkling stuff on it. And Pete's like, like,

1052
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,279
what the fuck's going on? I thought we were here

1053
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:10,479
for me. This guy seems to be really interested in

1054
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,359
my knife. And the guy is like saying some words

1055
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:21,600
over it, and and I'm assuming still sprinkling stuff over it.

1056
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,640
And then he just picks it up and throws it

1057
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,239
out the window behind him. And as soon as he

1058
01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:32,319
does that, the whole fucking hut lifts off the ground

1059
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,239
like like a giant, you know, hit it like a

1060
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:40,000
linebacker and just tips it up on one side and

1061
01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:44,600
puts it comes back down, you know, enough to where

1062
01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:48,439
Pete and the person who brought him to this place

1063
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,319
was knocked, you know, to their feet or to the

1064
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:58,560
or sorry, to their to their knees. And Pete looks

1065
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,680
up and he can see out the window of like

1066
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,760
right over the right over the old man's shoulder, and

1067
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,520
there is just this thing. I was like, what do

1068
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,239
you mean, like a thing? And he's trying to describe it.

1069
01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:14,920
He's like, it was blurry. You know, it was a thing.

1070
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,439
It was a very big thing, you know, many times

1071
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,359
the size of a man. But I couldn't really tell

1072
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:29,399
you what it looked like. It you know, had like

1073
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:34,920
a shape but not any defined edges. You know, it

1074
01:19:35,039 --> 01:19:43,600
was like like made of fog, but very definitively just

1075
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,439
kind of like moving basically, like the the outline or

1076
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,880
the the shape of the thing was itself moving.

1077
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 2: Was this in Indonesia by chance? Yes, because they have

1078
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:02,359
the keras or Chris staggers. Yes, they do ceremonies around

1079
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:05,680
them and pray over them and they're binding spells with them.

1080
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:06,239
Speaker 3: Yes.

1081
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,199
Speaker 2: I am not surprised to hear this at all, to

1082
01:20:09,239 --> 01:20:09,760
be honest.

1083
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,199
Speaker 3: And then the thing just ran into the jungle.

1084
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:13,079
Speaker 2: Wow.

1085
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really funny, because yes, it was a little

1086
01:20:20,039 --> 01:20:26,000
tiny dagger that apparently had some type of critter in there,

1087
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,000
and it was making him sick.

1088
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: And people don't take this stuff seriously. People pay hundreds,

1089
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:38,840
if not thousands of dollars to collect these things. But

1090
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,119
if you look at the way that that's very dumb,

1091
01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:45,840
very dumb. The way that the Muslims handle these things

1092
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,279
is you have to like have them ritually cleansed on

1093
01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:51,960
a regular basis. And they have bodies on them too.

1094
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:52,520
Speaker 3: So like.

1095
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1096
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,279
Speaker 3: You have to feed them. Yeah, exactly, you have to

1097
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:02,239
feed them or the thing, the spirit goes away. It's

1098
01:21:02,279 --> 01:21:02,680
a deal.

1099
01:21:03,399 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's the origin of the the or one of

1100
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,439
the origins of the If I draw this knife, it

1101
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:16,720
has to shed blood is knife. Yes, yes, you have

1102
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:17,960
to feed it.

1103
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1104
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: I thought that was just from the forty year old version.

1105
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 3: In China too. This is very much still a thing,

1106
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,359
all right, not like the Chris Daggers, but magic. Oh yeah,

1107
01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:37,920
I don't know if you have any stories about that,

1108
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,720
and then I can. I'll tell one briefly.

1109
01:21:41,039 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 2: Uh you you go ahead. I have less experience with China,

1110
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,880
just Chinese people in America, Seattle.

1111
01:21:49,359 --> 01:21:52,399
Speaker 3: I've never I've never been to China, but I have

1112
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,079
a lot of uh, A lot of friends have done

1113
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:59,840
business there, and a couple you know, good Chinese f

1114
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,119
well they're from Hong Kong, and they will tell you

1115
01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:07,359
that that is a very big difference. Yeah, and so

1116
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:13,760
not to be confused with you know Chinese people, but yeah,

1117
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,439
China was never really like a unified country. Each one

1118
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,119
of the cities basically existed as separate nation states for

1119
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:23,479
almost all of its history. So like where you're from,

1120
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,640
city wise, there's a lot more to do with like

1121
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,800
how you look and how you act than you know,

1122
01:22:30,119 --> 01:22:37,039
being Chinese. But friends from Hong Kong would tell me that,

1123
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:40,640
like some of the richest guys, right, so these guys

1124
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:46,840
are multi billion dollar guys that will spend tremendous amounts

1125
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:53,119
of money on Fung Shuei. And I used to laugh

1126
01:22:53,159 --> 01:22:56,239
at that. I used to think, like they'd be like no, no, no,

1127
01:22:56,279 --> 01:22:59,479
like these guys take it life or death serious, right,

1128
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,640
Like these guys will clear their schedules for months to

1129
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:07,720
work with you know, the varying. I hate calling them

1130
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:12,239
priests because that, like you know, they're basically magi just

1131
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:16,079
people that do magic professionally. And this is a career

1132
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:20,600
in China, right, doing magic professionally is very much a thing.

1133
01:23:22,079 --> 01:23:27,640
And you know, they will spend many, many, many years

1134
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:33,680
of their life going around and collecting spirits, right, buying

1135
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,920
them and put them in their toolkit, so to speak,

1136
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,840
so they can call on them and use them toffulfill

1137
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,520
various tasks that you know, people pay them to do.

1138
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,760
And obviously the ones that go for the most money

1139
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,159
are the ones that have the most tools and their toolkit.

1140
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:58,520
So these guys are really dark people, you know, because

1141
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:08,199
just having these things, like know, you personally exist is bad.

1142
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 2: That's a bad idea.

1143
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:16,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like basically we exist to these things like grass, right,

1144
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:22,479
Like we are part of the background. Right. So imagine

1145
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:26,319
if you're out sitting in your backyard and all of

1146
01:24:26,359 --> 01:24:30,520
a sudden a blade of grass shouts at you and goes, hey, faggot,

1147
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:36,479
be like what this is now the most interesting blade

1148
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,399
of grass in the world, And I'm going to pay

1149
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,760
a tremendous amount of attention to it. I'm gonna like

1150
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:50,159
check in on it every day. I want to examine it,

1151
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,560
I want to watch it grow, Like this is very

1152
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,279
interesting grass now to where I didn't give a fuck

1153
01:24:57,319 --> 01:25:02,399
about grass prior, Like that's what seeing these things are

1154
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,319
like or dealing with them at all. Right, if you

1155
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:08,520
deal with them, you are now a conscious actor to them.

1156
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:13,199
You are now very very interesting. You were part of

1157
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:18,199
the background, but now you're not. And it's just a

1158
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:24,479
bad place to be. Everyone thinks that demons only care

1159
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:30,319
about possession. That's not the case. They do affliction just

1160
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:38,399
as well. Somebody can be tormented by something, right, basically

1161
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:46,319
fucking up their life without actually being possessed. All right,

1162
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:52,319
So anyways, these guys will spend tremendous amounts of money,

1163
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:59,800
and they will tell you that they derive tremendous amount

1164
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,319
of wealth from it, like they basically see it as investing.

1165
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,800
Oh yeah, Like if I do this, and I do

1166
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,119
the functue thing, and I organize like not just their house,

1167
01:26:10,359 --> 01:26:14,720
like to the most tiniest detail, but where their house

1168
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:19,600
is located, right, what objects are allowed in the house,

1169
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,359
what objects are not allowed in the house? Right? Just

1170
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:28,640
a crazy amount of effort down to the minutest detail. Right,

1171
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,720
it depends on you know, when the person was born,

1172
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:36,359
down to the minute. It's really crazy the amount of

1173
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:39,439
effort that goes into into these types of things. And

1174
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,239
it will give you an idea of how seriously they

1175
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:45,359
take these things at all levels of society, from the

1176
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:49,720
most wealthy down to the most poor. Like they don't

1177
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:59,399
view this as like, you know, fantasy or like you know, gimmick.

1178
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Right, that's all of Asia if you think about it,

1179
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:08,960
if you think about it, the level of seriousness, if

1180
01:27:09,039 --> 01:27:13,439
less elaborate. That's how it was in the West as

1181
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:14,640
well in Christendom.

1182
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 3: I find it very interesting that at a time we're

1183
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:27,439
basically being bombarded, there is a subset of society that

1184
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,359
spends all of its time running around trying to convince

1185
01:27:30,399 --> 01:27:38,159
everyone else that bombs don't exist. I find that very

1186
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:42,920
very interesting. The spreaders of materialism seem to also be

1187
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,199
the same groups of people who, as a people group,

1188
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,680
utilize this type of stuff regularly. It would be very

1189
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,880
much in their interest if Christians forgot this existed, or

1190
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,239
forgot that this was actually the world that they lived in,

1191
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:02,199
which is kind of my purpose of bringing it up,

1192
01:28:02,279 --> 01:28:07,800
and you know, constantly talking about it because one side

1193
01:28:08,199 --> 01:28:13,479
is using a weapon system that they have convinced their

1194
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:17,359
enemies does not exist. Well, how do you fight something

1195
01:28:17,359 --> 01:28:24,399
that doesn't exist? You don't, You just die. So everywhere

1196
01:28:24,399 --> 01:28:29,000
else in the world takes this shit very very seriously. Yep,

1197
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:36,159
and we used to as a society. I don't know

1198
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:40,840
how that gets fixed, though, because I think the people

1199
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:49,119
that would find my, you know, arguments persuasive, I think

1200
01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:51,199
they would always find it persuasive. And I think there's

1201
01:28:51,239 --> 01:28:55,359
just a core group of people that refuse whether they

1202
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:02,800
think Christianity is uncool or whatever. But there's a reason

1203
01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:06,439
that we conquered the world, and it's not just how

1204
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:12,800
great we were, right, I can't remember, did you ever

1205
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,920
do you guys catch that episode that Orn did with

1206
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,920
Andrew Isker And I can't remember who the other guys were.

1207
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,600
But they're basically going through the history from other non

1208
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:30,119
Christian sources of what would happen when the early Church

1209
01:29:30,119 --> 01:29:34,159
would set up in a town, or relics of a

1210
01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:40,439
saint were buried near previous pagan temples. And this was

1211
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:45,479
very much still a time when paganism was very active. Right,

1212
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:50,319
all of a sudden, the priests and the oracles of

1213
01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:54,319
Apollo at the temple weren't able to see shit anymore.

1214
01:29:55,239 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm familiar with that story. I can't remember if

1215
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,359
I got it from them.

1216
01:29:59,279 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 3: Bro, there's one undreds of documented ones. Yes, and this

1217
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,960
would happen all across the ancient world. Right, all of

1218
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:12,640
the like you go to, like the Mayans, all of

1219
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:19,359
their priests just became ineffectual. Right, they no longer had

1220
01:30:19,359 --> 01:30:24,840
the juice anymore when the gey stores and the priests

1221
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:32,359
showed up. Right. And I think it's really interesting when

1222
01:30:33,359 --> 01:30:41,840
there's that bit where Christ is in the desert being tempted.

1223
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:49,039
I'm gonna rip this and it was just that phrased

1224
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:55,000
this this way, but it makes it's hard to disagree with. Right,

1225
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:01,279
So that Satan is tempting Christ like if hey, if

1226
01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:04,600
just about me, like I will give you dominion over

1227
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:09,359
the whole world. Well, ah, Satan's a liar, so he

1228
01:31:09,399 --> 01:31:13,720
didn't have that power. He couldn't do that. Well, then

1229
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:20,319
it's not a temptation, is it. YOUU just didn't say, oh, well,

1230
01:31:20,319 --> 01:31:25,239
you're a liar, fuck off. The temptation had to be

1231
01:31:25,359 --> 01:31:27,520
real or else it would not have been a temptation.

1232
01:31:29,079 --> 01:31:31,600
So that means it would have been in his power

1233
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:36,760
to grant. And Christ answer was like no, I'm just

1234
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:41,479
going to take it like I'm going to be king

1235
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,399
of this world. Anyways.

1236
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 2: You want to know who the most hardcore, the most

1237
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:54,520
hardcore demon destroyers were in Southeast Asia during French Indo

1238
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:55,199
China era.

1239
01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:01,319
Speaker 4: Who the Catholic priests the Jesuits, Yes, yeah, man, they

1240
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:04,239
were like Seal Team six or sorry not Seal Team six,

1241
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,000
an actual branch of the Special Forces that doesn't just

1242
01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:08,600
write books.

1243
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,159
Speaker 3: Sorry, I don only talk about that. I'm just repeating

1244
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:18,039
stuff that you know, soft guys, soft guys tell me.

1245
01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:23,720
But yeah, the lifespan, the life expectancy of a Jesuit

1246
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:30,920
priest that was doing missionary work was very very, very

1247
01:32:31,039 --> 01:32:37,680
very small. Like these guys knew that, you know, the

1248
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:42,039
fates laid out like they weren't just like killed, right,

1249
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:49,159
They were usually tortured and mutilated and then killed, and

1250
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:51,319
they still went and did what they did. Like those

1251
01:32:51,319 --> 01:32:55,479
were some of the hardest guys. I can't even imagine,

1252
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:04,520
Like you know that, you're Their experience of their faith

1253
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:12,840
was much more visceral then we often get to experience today, right,

1254
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:19,640
Like they understood their faith is not like Okay, well

1255
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:26,039
God's up in heaven and if I don't watch porn

1256
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:30,439
and I'd be really good and well behaved, then I

1257
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,920
get to go up there with God when I die.

1258
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:42,800
But that's it. Right, like their their interaction with the

1259
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:47,680
domain in which God in habits only happens when they die.

1260
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,920
But if you were to ask any medieval Christian, they'd

1261
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,800
be like, no, the fight's all around you man, all

1262
01:33:53,840 --> 01:34:00,279
the time, and we seem to have lost that, right Like,

1263
01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:04,159
it's almost like our faith is like as like a

1264
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:09,920
philosophical thing that we just you know, grapple with and

1265
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:14,760
play with in our heads up until the moment like

1266
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:20,159
we expire, and not a living faith that like we

1267
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:26,960
see the hand of God, we see his enemies like

1268
01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:30,880
in our day to day existence, because that's how they

1269
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,800
really are. And that's how those missionaries, those Jesuits, that's

1270
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,600
how they saw the world. And you would have to

1271
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:42,399
see the world that way to basically risk horrible, excruciating

1272
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:47,880
deaths as the more likely outcome than you coming home,

1273
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:53,159
like you would have to, like your faith would have

1274
01:34:53,359 --> 01:34:55,479
to be one that you live in your day to

1275
01:34:55,560 --> 01:35:02,840
day existence. Things happen, oh well, not because you know,

1276
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,239
random series of events. No, it's because God wanted them

1277
01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:09,439
to happen, right Like when we see things that are

1278
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:18,000
strange and crazy or unexplainable, we immediately reach to materialist

1279
01:35:19,319 --> 01:35:22,960
reasons why that thing happened, and that would be the

1280
01:35:23,039 --> 01:35:29,920
last thing that they would do. Right. The spiritual dimension

1281
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
is the first thing that they went to to explain

1282
01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:38,159
things that they were that were difficult to explain, or

1283
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:42,279
phenomenon that we see. Now we have millions of atheoids

1284
01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:44,600
that just come out of the woodwork to try and

1285
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,680
explain away all of the phenomenon that still very much

1286
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,319
exists in our day to day life. Like every time

1287
01:35:52,399 --> 01:35:57,039
Karl looks up at the night sky with his binos on,

1288
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,239
he will tell you that there is a whole bunch

1289
01:35:59,319 --> 01:36:03,399
of shit going on on our plane of existence that

1290
01:36:05,079 --> 01:36:06,279
we don't have the language for.

1291
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:16,279
Speaker 2: It's uh. And with what's taking place right now with

1292
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:22,920
attacks on churches and religious people, it's escalating and coming

1293
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:26,119
out into the open, and the enemies think it's funny.

1294
01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:31,640
And I spent two hours talking to Dee about what

1295
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,720
was going on in Spain from you know, the religious

1296
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,640
issue in the lead up to the Civil war and

1297
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:43,399
the beginning of the civil war, and it's just people

1298
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,560
need to get with it. And the people who are

1299
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:50,600
religious but are basically materialists, they need to get with it. Man.

1300
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,439
Maybe we just need more, Maybe more church bells will help.

1301
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you think about it, like if you're

1302
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:03,319
religious quote unquote, but you're still like materialists, like your

1303
01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:06,039
faith is like this thing that exists outside of you

1304
01:37:06,119 --> 01:37:10,439
and your day to day existence, then you're not going

1305
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:15,680
to be able. You're not going to possess the impetus

1306
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:20,479
needed to fight that fight until it's way, way, way

1307
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:28,159
too late, right, Like the guy that doesn't believe in

1308
01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:30,159
the way that we are describing is not going to

1309
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:31,640
be the one that goes over the top of a

1310
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:40,159
trench for that belief structure. Like if that guy gets shot,

1311
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:46,119
he's going to be scared. Like he hopes there's a heaven,

1312
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:53,319
but he doesn't know there is, Unlike those monks, those

1313
01:37:53,399 --> 01:37:59,439
Jesuit priests, that wasn't even a question that ever went

1314
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:08,600
through their brain, Like they weren't, you know, dying thinking, oh,

1315
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:14,079
I hope heaven is real, like that was a known

1316
01:38:14,199 --> 01:38:18,119
quantity and the other where the other place that we

1317
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:23,399
see this and this is an unpopular comparison, but is

1318
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:33,479
in Jihati's a Jihati doesn't doubt whether he is going

1319
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:43,800
he's wrong, which is unfortunate, but to him, like you

1320
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:50,479
can't threaten him, you can't buy him off, there's there's

1321
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,039
in fact, there's nothing that you could possibly give this

1322
01:38:54,119 --> 01:39:00,800
person to make them stop what they're doing, because the

1323
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:04,479
alternative to them not doing that is unimaginable, and the

1324
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:11,439
mandate to which they have trumps everything else, Like there's

1325
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:15,439
no honors that you can bestow on them, there's no

1326
01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:19,720
amount of you know, cash or gold that you could

1327
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:24,079
give them to stop doing what they're doing. They are,

1328
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:31,640
you know, they're wrong, but they're on a mission from God,

1329
01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:34,920
and they fight like it. They don't give a shit,

1330
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,399
Like you can't torture that person, you can't threaten to

1331
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:44,199
kill that person, you can't bribe that person, and that

1332
01:39:44,319 --> 01:39:48,159
is something the regime has a lot of difficulty fighting,

1333
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:54,399
which it seems to be of very high importance that

1334
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:59,520
it stops that from happening anywhere else. Right, Like, it

1335
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:04,840
seems to I, out of all the archetypes, it hates

1336
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:09,920
the warrior priest the most because it has no tools

1337
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:18,279
and its toolkit because if you like kill a priest, okay,

1338
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,760
that's bad, but if you kill a Jahati, Like how

1339
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:27,439
did Wesley Clark describe Jahati math? Right, it's like this

1340
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,720
different type of math where if you have one hundred

1341
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:34,479
and you minus twenty, you don't get eighty, you get

1342
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:40,520
two hundred. Yeah, because they set an example, right like

1343
01:40:42,279 --> 01:40:46,079
it basic, every dead Jahati is a question to everyone

1344
01:40:46,119 --> 01:40:51,800
else back in the village, like Okay, what are you

1345
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,439
going to do? And it's really like it kind of

1346
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:58,760
lays down a spiritual gauntlet for the other men in

1347
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,319
the village, and that's how you get two hundred instead

1348
01:41:01,359 --> 01:41:06,520
of eighty. And we saw that in the Spanish Civil War,

1349
01:41:09,319 --> 01:41:23,000
right like the Oh there's so many stories of men

1350
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:32,079
putting their life in the lowest of the priority categories

1351
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:42,079
in comparison to God. And I think without faith, I

1352
01:41:42,119 --> 01:41:48,960
don't think the nationalists win one percent. I don't see

1353
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:49,520
a single way.

1354
01:41:50,279 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 2: I always like to point out that the Carlist Recutez,

1355
01:41:55,520 --> 01:42:01,359
the militiamen and the early volunteers. The war couldn't have

1356
01:42:01,399 --> 01:42:05,000
been won without them. They captured and held the most

1357
01:42:05,079 --> 01:42:09,399
territory at the beginning, so that there were even places

1358
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:14,359
for the army to connect with. And they treated themselves

1359
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:20,399
as shock troops so that civilian populations in the north

1360
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:24,880
would not be bombed. They would put themselves on the line,

1361
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:28,239
even if it meant their whole company would get wiped out,

1362
01:42:29,359 --> 01:42:33,600
taking a you know, an embedded position because they didn't

1363
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:39,640
want their people to be bombed. Carlos Math.

1364
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 3: Carlos Math.

1365
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:47,079
Speaker 2: Basically, my reward, my reward is in heaven, and that's.

1366
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,520
Speaker 3: The only way that they want that they win. I

1367
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:54,560
just don't see it. The Communists controlled too many levers

1368
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:57,880
of a state that was still slightly functioning enough to

1369
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,600
where that offered them an advantage, and there was way

1370
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,880
way more of them. Right, Like, Okay, so let's say

1371
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:11,159
Franco's army magically lands. Right, you basically have the largest

1372
01:43:11,279 --> 01:43:18,119
nation in both natural resource wealth and population at that time,

1373
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:25,840
throwing infinity resources at this You have the nation of France,

1374
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:30,159
which prior to World War Two was the largest military

1375
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:38,880
on the you know, the European peninsula. They're throwing weapons,

1376
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:44,920
they're throwing men, and they're throwing gear, and you got

1377
01:43:45,359 --> 01:43:49,520
dumb faggots like what's his name, that's stupid English orwell,

1378
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:55,159
you know, coming in from all over because the Jewish

1379
01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:59,319
media basically made this look like the Holy Crusade, you

1380
01:43:59,359 --> 01:44:05,279
know that you had to go join the nationalist army

1381
01:44:05,319 --> 01:44:10,479
Like I'm sorry, Like that's not enough to beat that. Yeah, his.

1382
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 2: Franco attributed their victory to God. Yeah, it's as simple

1383
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:19,159
as that.

1384
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,319
Speaker 3: Not like you know, in a cynical way or not like, oh,

1385
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:27,680
I won this victory in God's glory, Like, no, he is.

1386
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,840
He is the person that did this exactly.

1387
01:44:31,159 --> 01:44:35,119
Speaker 2: And our people are your people and it's ever been.

1388
01:44:35,159 --> 01:44:38,520
Thus is his proclamation.

1389
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:46,399
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that the the other groups, one in particular,

1390
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:52,199
who ye, some can argue fought under the cross. Some

1391
01:44:52,399 --> 01:45:00,960
would argue definitely didn't. I definitely wasn't direct for sure lost.

1392
01:45:03,079 --> 01:45:06,640
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, they lost.

1393
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 3: And you see that all.

1394
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:12,199
Speaker 1: And one of the first things you're going to get

1395
01:45:12,319 --> 01:45:15,159
is is that, oh well, as soon as as soon

1396
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:17,439
as you start talking about faith, that means it's uh,

1397
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,800
that means it's multicultural and everything. And you're talking about,

1398
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:26,680
you know, multiculturalism is fine. You're just you're just advocating

1399
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:27,520
from assagination.

1400
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 2: Now, yes, retards, they're useless.

1401
01:45:37,079 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 3: It's it's it's like those people that say, like Christianity

1402
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:46,840
is universalists, so therefore is multi culture, multi ethnic, you know,

1403
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:59,079
biomass slomp. The scriptures were written in Greek. Christianity has

1404
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:08,319
been European from its beginning. It is a European religion.

1405
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,279
The only reason it exists elsewhere is because Europeans bring

1406
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:17,199
it there and then maintain it, or else it turns

1407
01:46:17,239 --> 01:46:26,279
into Santa Ria fucking witchcraft in a generation. Right, Like

1408
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:31,640
Woes and Corey make this point, Christianity can sustain itself

1409
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:38,000
in none of these fucking places unless constantly reinforced and

1410
01:46:38,119 --> 01:46:43,760
watched over by Europeans. The reason Latin Americans get to

1411
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:52,520
be Christian is because Europeans go there and maintain the church. Right,

1412
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,479
even in the brief fifty years since they've been bringing in,

1413
01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:09,319
you know, from the native population. Their redesign basically recasting

1414
01:47:09,399 --> 01:47:16,840
the Virgin Mary as a volcano deity. I'm go look

1415
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:23,640
this up, like the same exact thing in Africa, same

1416
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:28,680
exact thing in Asia. Right, Like all of the traditions

1417
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,439
and all the magical practices that Karl and I just

1418
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:36,039
went through at length, These things are embedded into the

1419
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:40,039
culture of these people. It's embedded into their soul. It's

1420
01:47:40,079 --> 01:47:46,359
never coming out. Communism couldn't smush it, right, Nothing is

1421
01:47:46,399 --> 01:47:50,079
going to separate these people from this. So unless the

1422
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:54,159
church is constantly maintained by Europeans, it goes back to

1423
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:59,319
that in a generation. Christianity is a European religion. It

1424
01:47:59,359 --> 01:48:05,399
is the European religion, so like to think it could

1425
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:13,319
be a universalist faith is idiotic, right, It is only

1426
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:18,520
like that is a invitation and a privilege that Europeans

1427
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:24,600
extend to other people, not because it's theirs. If it

1428
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,239
was theirs, they would be able to maintain it, and

1429
01:48:27,319 --> 01:48:35,760
they can't. It just it's so retarded. It's if anybody

1430
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,560
wants to talk to me about like paganism or spirituality,

1431
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,720
like you don't know what you're talking about, Like you

1432
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:47,000
haven't studied the shit, because even from an esoteric and

1433
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:51,119
occult position, Christianity is the only go ahead. Yeah.

1434
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 1: One of the guys in my supporter chat today was

1435
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:01,800
talking about someone specifically who, yeah, advocates that the whole

1436
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:05,520
thing about how Christianity is a Jewish subversion thing, and

1437
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:10,359
he says, basically, everybody making those arguments is using the

1438
01:49:10,359 --> 01:49:15,119
word concept fallacy. And for those for people who don't

1439
01:49:15,159 --> 01:49:17,319
know what the word concept fallacy is, it means that

1440
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:21,880
words what one word means right now, that's what it

1441
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:24,680
meant a thousand years ago or fifteen hundred years ago,

1442
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,279
or two hundred years ago or two thousand years ago.

1443
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,960
They can only play with words. Yeah, they can only

1444
01:49:31,039 --> 01:49:35,800
play with words. You can only you know, And I mean,

1445
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,399
I don't know if that is a deceptive, purposely deceptive

1446
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,239
on their part, or they're just not intelligent enough to

1447
01:49:42,319 --> 01:49:46,119
realize what they're doing. But words have different meanings, you know.

1448
01:49:46,199 --> 01:49:50,039
Speaker 3: I mean it was personally purposely deceptive by the person

1449
01:49:50,079 --> 01:49:50,840
they heard that from.

1450
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:54,079
Speaker 1: I bet, yeah, probably. And you know it's like, you know,

1451
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:59,239
even the terrible things like I mean, what did that mean?

1452
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 3: That means?

1453
01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he was so that was a term

1454
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:08,039
of endearment. How do we use it today? So it's like,

1455
01:50:09,159 --> 01:50:13,279
you know, I mean, it's really exhausting. I think Thomas's

1456
01:50:13,279 --> 01:50:18,159
Thomas is right. Most people, most people, even people with followings,

1457
01:50:18,319 --> 01:50:23,079
even people you know who are you know, I'm more popular,

1458
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:25,399
will say things like I'm more popular than you on

1459
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:29,520
the internet. They're not equipped to talk about the things.

1460
01:50:30,079 --> 01:50:33,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, they have they don't have any backgrounds in it.

1461
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:35,720
They don't they don't even know how to perceive what

1462
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:37,800
they're seeing in front of their eyes.

1463
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:44,159
Speaker 3: Now, this is why they can't predict. If you notice,

1464
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:46,560
there's very few people in our sphere that can act

1465
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:51,640
accurately predict all right, you have to know something inside

1466
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:57,880
and out before you can apply it as a filter

1467
01:50:58,079 --> 01:51:00,199
or a rule set. They only talk about things have

1468
01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:03,960
happened in the past, like great, that's awesome. Now all

1469
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,960
that shit that you just meant forever, you know, lecturing

1470
01:51:06,039 --> 01:51:08,479
us about how does that apply going forward?

1471
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is something that I've talked about previous,

1472
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,600
is that it's actually very easy for them to appear

1473
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:21,720
as somebody who is predicting things properly, because if you

1474
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:27,279
just assume everything is getting worse, then pretty much, you know,

1475
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:31,119
entropy is a real thing. So things do appear to

1476
01:51:31,159 --> 01:51:34,960
be getting worse all around us. But you know, they

1477
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:38,279
these are the kind of people who always have an out.

1478
01:51:39,079 --> 01:51:43,159
It's like, okay, so something you know, oh something just improved.

1479
01:51:43,359 --> 01:51:46,319
Oh well, I mean but yeah, there someone with a

1480
01:51:46,399 --> 01:51:49,680
Jewish name was involved in that. So yeah, that's not

1481
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:53,800
an improvement. That's what we're being deceived. We're purposely being deceived.

1482
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:56,359
I don't know, but my life seems to have gotten

1483
01:51:56,399 --> 01:52:02,560
better because of it. Oh well, you're just you're just filosmitic.

1484
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it's yeah, it's survivorship biased.

1485
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just people people play these games because the Internet.

1486
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,479
I say, I've said this a lot. The Internet is

1487
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,680
the greatest gift and the greatest curse we've ever had,

1488
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,359
because if you know how to use the Internet, you

1489
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:24,800
can understand the world. You can understand the world better

1490
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,359
than probably ninety nine percent of the people who ever lived.

1491
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:36,399
But it also opens the door for people who are

1492
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:42,600
not very bright, but actually very manipulative and not how

1493
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:48,880
to talk well into corralling people into a way of

1494
01:52:49,079 --> 01:52:54,239
thinking that keeps them bound. And these are the same

1495
01:52:54,359 --> 01:52:58,880
people who will talk about gatekeepers not realize that they are,

1496
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:02,800
not realizing that they've and gate kept into a silo

1497
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:07,800
by the fact that we live in an age where

1498
01:53:08,079 --> 01:53:13,199
everybody is political. But these people don't have the mental ability.

1499
01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:17,079
They don't have the natural mental ability to be able

1500
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:22,000
to understand how politics works and how it's worked historically

1501
01:53:22,279 --> 01:53:27,439
and how it's playing out, and exactly how things would

1502
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:31,079
improve or how things would get worse while improving at

1503
01:53:31,079 --> 01:53:38,000
the same time. They can't see those things. So what

1504
01:53:38,039 --> 01:53:42,239
they do is then they when and the easiest way

1505
01:53:42,279 --> 01:53:48,319
to spot these people is that they default to absolute purity.

1506
01:53:49,319 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've neutralized themselves through that. The whole way I

1507
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:58,119
ended up getting in contact with you, Pete, was that

1508
01:53:58,199 --> 01:54:04,079
after October seventh, I saw things happening, and the channels

1509
01:54:04,119 --> 01:54:07,399
that I was in, no one could almost no one

1510
01:54:07,399 --> 01:54:09,720
could explain them. There would be like one or two

1511
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,279
and other people know like we're defeated by the Jews

1512
01:54:12,319 --> 01:54:15,399
forever b boo boo boo boo boo, and it's like, no,

1513
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:18,399
you don't understand what's taking place. And so I was

1514
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:23,039
reaching out and finding other people. I think one of

1515
01:54:23,079 --> 01:54:27,119
the first was Kingpilled and then someone was like, hey, Carl,

1516
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,119
you should talk to pe con Yunis about the Spanish

1517
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:33,359
Civil War. And I was like, I know, and I

1518
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,439
like pe can Unas and I was like, oh, I

1519
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,720
listened to like three or four podcasts you did in

1520
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:43,600
twenty like early twenty twenty four before we got in contact,

1521
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,079
and maybe even in twenty twenty three, because you were

1522
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:49,399
talking about the things that I was seeing and talking

1523
01:54:49,439 --> 01:54:51,920
to people who are talking about the things that I

1524
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:55,880
was seeing, and these other people they just they can't

1525
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:58,640
even describe what they're seeing, like they don't even know

1526
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,920
how to process it, and it just is a persistent

1527
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:08,279
feature and they they've neutralized their their relevance, and but

1528
01:55:08,359 --> 01:55:11,359
they're still out there and they have their four to

1529
01:55:11,439 --> 01:55:15,640
six thousand followers and they get high engagement on quippy

1530
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:19,720
little posts, but they have nothing, yep to say.

1531
01:55:20,039 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 3: It's like factions, right, I mean, Pete, how long have

1532
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:28,840
I been saying that there's more than one team at play?

1533
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:34,159
Speaker 1: I mean there's more than one jew of Jews that

1534
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:37,880
are fighting against each other. Yes, I made I made

1535
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:41,439
the statement on Twitter the other day that this was

1536
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:46,520
a couple weeks ago that Pambondy and put Cash Betel

1537
01:55:47,279 --> 01:55:52,119
are owned. They are run by Ronda Santis. They are

1538
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:56,479
loyalists of Rondo Santus and who is Rondo Santus loyal to?

1539
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,920
And someone then someone stepped up and said, well who

1540
01:56:00,199 --> 01:56:05,560
Trump loyal to? I'm like a different faction. There are

1541
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:09,680
factions within the There are factions within Israel right now

1542
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:15,600
that are both They're both pushing to destroy Gaza, They're

1543
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:19,039
both pushing for Era. It's Israel. They're both pushing for this,

1544
01:56:19,279 --> 01:56:22,560
but they're actually fighting against each other. And people can

1545
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:25,119
and you try to tell that to people and they're like, no,

1546
01:56:25,319 --> 01:56:29,039
these are these are super uber mentions that have taken

1547
01:56:29,079 --> 01:56:31,239
over the whole world by doing this, I'm like, yeah,

1548
01:56:31,359 --> 01:56:38,760
they've insinuated themselves into every single important cultural, financial, YadA,

1549
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:43,840
YadA everything. Sure, but they fight against each other. And

1550
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:47,800
if you don't realize that, and if you don't realize

1551
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:50,720
how important it is to realize that that if they're

1552
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:55,800
fighting against each other, they're actually weakening each other. While

1553
01:56:56,159 --> 01:57:02,000
they're weakening, while they're weakening the world, most of the

1554
01:57:02,039 --> 01:57:05,800
world's perception of them is looking at them as monsters.

1555
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:07,680
Right now, if you don't.

1556
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 3: Just type in child suicide into your search engine, you'll

1557
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,319
find that a lot of these supposed master of the

1558
01:57:13,439 --> 01:57:15,600
universe at top of the top of the totem pole

1559
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:23,920
all die really interesting deaths that one would struggle to

1560
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:28,600
see as suicides a right, Like these people off each other.

1561
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:32,079
Speaker 2: They don't just argue, oh yeah, And you have these

1562
01:57:32,079 --> 01:57:35,479
people claiming that, oh, well, he didn't actually die and

1563
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,760
he's somewhere else. And it's like, why it's so easy

1564
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:41,159
to kill people, Like why would you leave this asset

1565
01:57:41,239 --> 01:57:45,079
out there? Oh, it's because you're you're making them invulnerable

1566
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,520
and undefeatable in your mind, is what you're doing. And

1567
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:51,920
yet you claim to be fighting against them.

1568
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Huh. I mean when they killed when when when Jeffrey

1569
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:02,600
Epstein was killed, there was a faction of Judaism that

1570
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:06,600
was pissed off at another faction of Judaism that killed him.

1571
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:11,760
They're not all working together. And if you don't understand,

1572
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:15,039
if you don't understand how important that is in our

1573
01:58:15,359 --> 01:58:18,520
to realize that in our fight going forward. I mean,

1574
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,319
as Thomas would say, this is why Thomas says this

1575
01:58:21,439 --> 01:58:24,960
all the fucking time. You're not in the game because

1576
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:29,399
you think everything is one thing. It's not one thing.

1577
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is no regime. There's a collection of interests.

1578
01:58:37,239 --> 01:58:40,720
I remember there's a certain guy. It was very prominent,

1579
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:46,319
still rather prominent. But like I remember, like twenty twenty two,

1580
01:58:47,279 --> 01:58:50,000
like when I first got on, already got involved in

1581
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,199
the conversation. I was like, no, there is a faction

1582
01:58:53,319 --> 01:58:57,119
of this that is not Jewish, that wants to get

1583
01:58:57,159 --> 01:59:03,840
back in charge. Right. Basically, their interests now diverge because

1584
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,960
we are at a point in time where the jew

1585
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:11,479
plan is to throw America into a two front war

1586
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:19,239
that it cannot win, right, that's the plan. These are

1587
01:59:19,279 --> 01:59:26,159
also the same people that we're planning on moving their operation.

1588
01:59:27,359 --> 01:59:34,359
It's in this group, right, or less the Shabbotniks, right,

1589
01:59:34,399 --> 01:59:39,279
they're less of the militant Zionists that Pete is talking

1590
01:59:39,319 --> 01:59:42,079
about that back to Santas. These are more of like

1591
01:59:42,199 --> 01:59:47,960
the globo homo Jews, right. They're also the money Jews. Right.

1592
01:59:48,039 --> 01:59:50,239
So this is where you get a lot of your

1593
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:55,000
like mega donors from, not outside of the mega group, right.

1594
01:59:55,159 --> 02:00:03,600
Israel has made the ultra like hardcore Zioshabat Nicks right, Like, yes,

1595
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:07,760
they're rich, like you know a lot of people on

1596
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:13,840
the Epstein you know network, are very, very wealthy, but

1597
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:17,079
not in the category of these others, right, like if

1598
02:00:17,079 --> 02:00:19,720
you've got like one or two billion dollars, you know,

1599
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:25,199
what's his name, Leon Black, like cool, but like you're

1600
02:00:25,239 --> 02:00:28,359
not at the top of the totem pole. It's not intergenerational.

1601
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:35,279
And the global homo Jews, you know, they were planning

1602
02:00:35,279 --> 02:00:39,119
on moving their opper like the host was trying to

1603
02:00:39,159 --> 02:00:41,720
get Like they were trying to move hosts to China,

1604
02:00:43,479 --> 02:00:45,520
like that was the plan. And this is why if

1605
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:51,199
you see like Larry Fink, Bill Gates, all of like

1606
02:00:51,239 --> 02:00:53,840
the puppets that they dangle all of a sudden, we're

1607
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:56,880
all suck in China, like Soros, everyone was sucking China's

1608
02:00:56,920 --> 02:01:02,319
dick as much as humanly possible, like Texi, Like everyone

1609
02:01:02,399 --> 02:01:04,000
was like, oh, no, we need to be more like China,

1610
02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:05,800
like China is where we need to be investing, and

1611
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:08,000
da da da da da da da da dad. And

1612
02:01:08,039 --> 02:01:12,720
then one day after the evergrand collapse right, which was

1613
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:17,319
like the asset backed real estate development firm in China

1614
02:01:17,399 --> 02:01:22,000
that sucked up hundreds of billions of Western dollars. Once

1615
02:01:22,079 --> 02:01:25,800
that implodes, and Jijingping goes, yeah, we're going to prioritize

1616
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:29,359
foreign bond holders last, which is a nice way of saying,

1617
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,520
never go fuck yourself. All of a sudden, the very

1618
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:37,159
next day in the Wall Street Journal and the very

1619
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:39,680
day after that in the Financial Times, two op eds

1620
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:48,199
from George Soros saying, not only is Jijingping both the

1621
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:51,039
devil and the Antichrist, which is funny coming from an

1622
02:01:51,039 --> 02:01:56,720
atheist jew but he needs to be regime changed immediately, Like, oh,

1623
02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:00,239
it sounds like something is not going to plan. There

1624
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:04,880
seems to be a wrinkle in the plan. And obviously

1625
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,399
there's going to be powerful elements inside the US that

1626
02:02:07,439 --> 02:02:09,399
are not Jewish that really don't like the plan of

1627
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:14,079
let's destroy America because they have to live here. Like,

1628
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:21,560
if you're a billionaire, being rich in China's not cool, right,

1629
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:25,279
Like being rich in Europe. Like being a billionaire in Europe,

1630
02:02:25,359 --> 02:02:31,359
okay cool, but you're not really at like on top

1631
02:02:31,399 --> 02:02:34,439
of the social scene of that class unless you're a

1632
02:02:34,439 --> 02:02:39,319
billionaire in America. And there's a lot of people that

1633
02:02:39,479 --> 02:02:42,119
don't like the idea of America turning into a shithole.

1634
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:45,039
And for some reason this is very hard for people

1635
02:02:45,039 --> 02:02:53,399
to understand, Like there are people whose financial interests aren't financialized, right,

1636
02:02:53,399 --> 02:02:57,279
So there's a difference between capitalism that it like there's

1637
02:02:57,279 --> 02:03:01,000
two types of capitalism. There's financial capitalism and there's dutustrial capitalism.

1638
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:06,199
Industrial capitalism is inherently nationalistic because it cannot move from

1639
02:03:06,199 --> 02:03:11,840
place to place. Yes, you can outsource factories and jobs.

1640
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:16,079
Financial capital can do that, and then they can import

1641
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:19,199
those goods from other places and hurt and eventually put

1642
02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:24,000
out of business industrial capital inside the nation. But there

1643
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,880
are certain things like let's say oil for instance, or defense,

1644
02:03:28,399 --> 02:03:31,159
that you can't do that with. So there's going to

1645
02:03:31,159 --> 02:03:37,159
be hundreds of billions of dollars behind people that very

1646
02:03:37,239 --> 02:03:40,000
much don't want to see this place turn to a shithole.

1647
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:46,520
So to think that these people don't have interests their money, like,

1648
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:50,439
oh no, we can't your campaign money, your campaign funding

1649
02:03:50,479 --> 02:03:52,960
money is no good because it's not Jewish money. We

1650
02:03:53,079 --> 02:03:56,279
only take Jewish money, Like no, I'm sorry, they're whorees.

1651
02:03:56,359 --> 02:04:01,039
They take money money. And people fail to see this.

1652
02:04:01,239 --> 02:04:04,039
It's either all the Jews and then the Jews are

1653
02:04:04,039 --> 02:04:10,560
a monolith and that's it. Like that's the only worldview

1654
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:15,960
that these people have. So they don't understand internay seine

1655
02:04:16,039 --> 02:04:22,800
fighting between the factions, and they can't see any other faction, right,

1656
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:26,239
so they're basically blind to three quarters of what's actually

1657
02:04:26,319 --> 02:04:27,079
fucking going on.

1658
02:04:29,279 --> 02:04:31,800
Speaker 1: Well, and another thing that they can't see is is

1659
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:34,760
that once you realize that there's another faction out there

1660
02:04:35,239 --> 02:04:38,399
that's not Jewish and is fighting against them, they don't

1661
02:04:38,439 --> 02:04:43,520
realize it. Representatives from that faction are going to have

1662
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:46,640
to play along. They're going to have to say nice

1663
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:49,039
things about Jews. They may even have to have Jews

1664
02:04:49,079 --> 02:04:52,840
on their show. They may even have to, like do

1665
02:04:53,319 --> 02:04:56,359
a businessman may have to do business with Jews. That's

1666
02:04:56,399 --> 02:04:59,840
the way the fucking world works. Okay, if you want

1667
02:04:59,880 --> 02:05:02,399
to stay in the game, You're going to have to

1668
02:05:02,439 --> 02:05:04,159
continue playing the game, and.

1669
02:05:04,119 --> 02:05:05,760
Speaker 3: They're going to bazz out like a retord.

1670
02:05:06,479 --> 02:05:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's like, you know, people are like, oh,

1671
02:05:12,279 --> 02:05:14,600
you know, no, I don't think anyone has done more

1672
02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:18,840
to open the eye open, you know, like elite eyes

1673
02:05:19,079 --> 02:05:22,000
about Jewish power in the last two years, and Tucker

1674
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:25,159
Carlson has and Socker Carlson still has some Jewish people

1675
02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:28,119
on the show every once in a while, and he

1676
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:30,800
still says nice things about the Jews, like oh, well,

1677
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:33,640
you know, I love Israel and I love Jews, and

1678
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:35,640
then he for the next hour and a half he

1679
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:40,159
just goes on a rants against them. And people just

1680
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:44,560
don't get I mean, people are so stuck in their

1681
02:05:45,239 --> 02:05:50,279
purity spiraling spurgy bullshit. They don't see how the game

1682
02:05:50,359 --> 02:05:55,359
is being played. They don't understand how like imagine these

1683
02:05:55,359 --> 02:05:59,640
people try to do spy shit, Like when you're doing

1684
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:01,800
spy shit, you might have to work with some of

1685
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:04,960
the worst fucking people in the world. But no, let

1686
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,840
me just purity spiral on the Internet. But that's why

1687
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:09,279
it's like.

1688
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:15,479
Speaker 3: It's so easy to manipulate these people, and they're literally

1689
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:19,880
a fucking anchor that is weighing everything down.

1690
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:23,520
Speaker 2: They don't even talk to their parents because they're not

1691
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:27,479
like one hundred percent in lockstep with like their ideology.

1692
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,000
Speaker 1: Oh I've talked to I've had people tell me they've

1693
02:06:30,039 --> 02:06:34,720
disowned their parents exactly, and I'm like, you realize, you

1694
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:38,039
realize you disowned your parents because what they're philo Semitic,

1695
02:06:38,119 --> 02:06:40,319
because I mean that's the way they've been raised. And

1696
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:44,880
the Jews just won because now they've derastinated your family exactly.

1697
02:06:45,039 --> 02:06:46,520
Speaker 2: Congratulations retard.

1698
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're a fucking genius. The only thing that

1699
02:06:51,039 --> 02:06:54,920
even matters in the world. Family, you know, the first thing,

1700
02:06:55,399 --> 02:06:57,439
the first and when it pops out of you, who's there?

1701
02:06:57,479 --> 02:06:59,840
Your fucking family when you pop out of your mom

1702
02:07:00,479 --> 02:07:03,720
is family you've derastinated because of politics.

1703
02:07:04,319 --> 02:07:06,079
Speaker 3: Are your friends going to be on your deathbed?

1704
02:07:06,439 --> 02:07:07,199
Speaker 1: Idiot?

1705
02:07:09,199 --> 02:07:12,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete. Are your friends going to be there in

1706
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:15,960
the nursing home coming to visit you?

1707
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:16,039
Speaker 1: No?

1708
02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:18,600
Speaker 3: Are they going to be there on your deathbed to

1709
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:22,960
comfort you? No? No, they won't because they're going to

1710
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:26,159
be just as old and just as decrepit as you are.

1711
02:07:27,159 --> 02:07:31,880
So unless you have family, you will die alone and

1712
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:36,239
no one will give a shit, all Right, you'll end

1713
02:07:36,319 --> 02:07:41,439
up in some potter's field. I just think second and

1714
02:07:41,479 --> 02:07:44,840
third order consequences, like think down the road for once,

1715
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:51,760
it's maddening. And the other thing is like nobody can

1716
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:58,760
conceptualize a reality in which a Jewish person is not

1717
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:03,239
a member of like Shabbotnik hyper like orthodox wu wu

1718
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:06,479
like cult, which there is a lot of them, like

1719
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:14,239
Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, right, Like these are those are Shabbotnicks. Right.

1720
02:08:14,359 --> 02:08:17,600
If they wear they'll dress like regular people, but they'll

1721
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:21,800
wear the tiny little kippa. Right, that's a good tell

1722
02:08:23,079 --> 02:08:26,680
that they're Shabbotnik Jews. Right. But there's a lot of

1723
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:33,159
Jews that aren't Shabotnicks and that aren't like intergenerational money

1724
02:08:34,439 --> 02:08:38,159
global homo right, Like these are people whose dads may

1725
02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:44,279
have been like an accountant or a doctor, right, and

1726
02:08:44,359 --> 02:08:50,119
those people go on to have some success, those people,

1727
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:54,039
like I know two Jews right now off the top

1728
02:08:54,039 --> 02:08:57,960
of my head, Pete. I think I've talked to you

1729
02:08:58,720 --> 02:09:02,600
at least once or twice reference them in our private conversations.

1730
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:10,840
But they think the idea of sacrificing anything as a

1731
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:19,159
nation for Israel is insane, right. They think the Israelis

1732
02:09:19,880 --> 02:09:26,199
and the hardcore Zionists in America are insane. They think

1733
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:35,760
Globo Homo is insane. Where do these people go? Right? Like,

1734
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:39,560
I've got a Jewish Hesh Fund manager that's a good

1735
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:42,680
friend of mine that listens to most of the podcasts

1736
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:48,960
in our sphere. He thinks Tucker Carlson's amazing and doing

1737
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:51,920
the Lord's work. Yeah, we have a different conception of

1738
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:56,399
who that guy is. But to think that all Jews

1739
02:09:56,439 --> 02:10:00,439
are like some hive mind is idiotic. One is a

1740
02:10:00,479 --> 02:10:04,680
function of their circumstances. If you weren't born in magic

1741
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:09,159
Shabbat Club or don't get recruited by magic Shabbat Club

1742
02:10:10,119 --> 02:10:14,279
or any type of radical type of Judaism, you're just

1743
02:10:14,439 --> 02:10:20,920
like you know, the Baker kid, right, And you're not

1744
02:10:21,039 --> 02:10:30,000
some intergenerational wealth like old European Jew. You're just an American. Like, yeah,

1745
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:32,560
you're gonna have ethnic solidarity. But all of the political

1746
02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:36,239
stuff that we're talking about right now flies over their

1747
02:10:36,279 --> 02:10:40,439
head like they don't know what's happening. They're not participating

1748
02:10:40,439 --> 02:10:47,359
in it. Right, They have loyalty to their people group,

1749
02:10:48,359 --> 02:10:52,720
but doesn't necessarily make them enemy combatants as in like

1750
02:10:53,439 --> 02:10:56,720
enemy combatants that know what's going on or what the

1751
02:10:56,720 --> 02:11:02,359
directionality of the fight is. It's ridiculous. So, oh my god,

1752
02:11:02,399 --> 02:11:05,279
Tucker Carlson has a normal jew on his show, or

1753
02:11:05,319 --> 02:11:08,159
oh my god, this person has a Jewish guy in

1754
02:11:08,199 --> 02:11:12,640
their organization. Like, if you ever talk to serious people,

1755
02:11:12,640 --> 02:11:15,720
you're going to sound like a fucking retard, because the

1756
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:17,800
serious person is going to know at least five or

1757
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,600
six of those type of people that aren't politically engaged,

1758
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:22,000
that are just normal businessmen.

1759
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:28,960
Speaker 2: There's a there's a shorthand that really helps that a

1760
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:33,640
friend picked up cobbled from the nineteen seventies. Actually, and

1761
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:36,760
it's Team AY versus Team B. And it's a good

1762
02:11:36,840 --> 02:11:40,319
shorthand for understanding the concept of factions that I hope

1763
02:11:40,399 --> 02:11:44,319
people would like who are struggling with this would incorporate

1764
02:11:44,399 --> 02:11:48,520
into their thinking. Team AY is shorthand for like the

1765
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:54,960
radical left, blue hair, trans the world, hyper anti white,

1766
02:11:55,279 --> 02:11:59,640
total white death, now right, crash everything, Crash America right now.

1767
02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:03,840
Team B is we want business as usual. We're gonna

1768
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:08,199
quibble on Israel, but we need to build America up.

1769
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:12,520
There's and we need like to get rid of the

1770
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:17,279
street violence and the nonsense, and there's Jews of all

1771
02:12:17,399 --> 02:12:20,119
kinds of a bunch of different factions on each side

1772
02:12:20,119 --> 02:12:24,319
of these, and there's White Christians all over the place,

1773
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:29,319
there's you know whatever on all sides of it. And

1774
02:12:29,359 --> 02:12:32,319
so you have to think about how these people groups coalesce.

1775
02:12:32,720 --> 02:12:36,520
Are they an immediate enemy, are they a long term enemy,

1776
02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:38,359
or are they not an enemy at all? They're just

1777
02:12:38,439 --> 02:12:44,319
not necessarily directionally with you, right, and really important to

1778
02:12:44,399 --> 02:12:49,239
think really clearly and not this. Every everything is a

1779
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:53,359
so that when you encounter a case where they're not

1780
02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:58,520
a you, you don't freeze in your brain fry, like,

1781
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:01,199
people need to stop with this crap.

1782
02:13:01,439 --> 02:13:04,279
Speaker 3: It makes coalition building impossible, even on our own side,

1783
02:13:04,279 --> 02:13:07,960
even with guys that are non Jewish. Right, every single

1784
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:11,840
every single thing, every single thing that Carl dis mentioned

1785
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:15,239
truons and blue haired people, Well, there's a team A

1786
02:13:15,359 --> 02:13:19,600
and a team B for that issue, right, name another issue.

1787
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:22,319
There's a team A and a Team B for every

1788
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:28,920
single issue. Right, it's a very it's a matrix, right,

1789
02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:35,199
Like we we need to think in complexity or else

1790
02:13:35,239 --> 02:13:40,560
we're not going to understand anything. Right, there is a

1791
02:13:40,760 --> 02:13:47,680
complexity behind every single issue that has a cascade, Team A,

1792
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:54,520
Team B. About it, right, So at best you're going

1793
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:59,159
to have a rough outline of these are the people

1794
02:13:59,159 --> 02:14:06,359
that are genuine generally more on a team. Okay, but

1795
02:14:06,439 --> 02:14:10,399
are they is that like is that circle filled with

1796
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:14,760
one hundred percent red dots? No, it's not, because I'm

1797
02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:16,920
just going to have a dot map, just a bunch

1798
02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:20,560
of dots everywhere, and I'm going to have to try

1799
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:25,760
and draw the ven diagram of people that are more

1800
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:32,000
A than B. Like this is a complex issue, right,

1801
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:39,800
Those are the people that are capable of forming groups, right,

1802
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:43,520
that's coalition building can happen here. But if you go

1803
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:46,159
through the whole fucking thing list of every single issue

1804
02:14:46,199 --> 02:14:48,079
and be like, oh, this person's a team B on

1805
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:51,399
issue X, they have to go, then you're going to

1806
02:14:51,479 --> 02:14:53,960
have no one left to work with. And there are

1807
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:58,720
people that are pretending to be our friend that are

1808
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:04,399
very much in favor of that happening. Right, All of

1809
02:15:04,439 --> 02:15:11,159
the purity is dishonest, I Pete. You know that episode

1810
02:15:11,159 --> 02:15:14,520
of like Cognitive Warfare we did now Benjamin Netanyaho is

1811
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:18,920
telling the world that the greatest battlefront that Israel faces

1812
02:15:19,239 --> 02:15:22,760
is in the mind of Americans. Well great, if you

1813
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:24,720
thought it was going to be bad and confusing before

1814
02:15:25,439 --> 02:15:28,960
it's going to be way worse. So like these type

1815
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:33,680
of skills and this paradigm, how you evaluate information around

1816
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:37,279
you and what you see is really really, really important,

1817
02:15:39,279 --> 02:15:44,399
and you may accidentally be working against your own interests

1818
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:50,359
while thinking that you're working for your own interests. Pete,

1819
02:15:50,359 --> 02:15:54,600
I mean, yeah, you probably see this probably more than

1820
02:15:54,640 --> 02:15:59,279
anybody is. Because of your visibility. People probably come at

1821
02:15:59,279 --> 02:16:04,000
you with the most ridiculous shit, So you have infinitely

1822
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:07,960
more patience than I imagine I would. But is this

1823
02:16:08,039 --> 02:16:11,880
a thing that you just see as a constant stumbling

1824
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:15,760
block he regardless of whatever issue is being discussed.

1825
02:16:17,319 --> 02:16:19,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but you know, I've gotten to the point

1826
02:16:19,600 --> 02:16:22,479
where I'm not trying to change people's minds. If that's

1827
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:24,800
where they are, that's where they are. You know, I'm

1828
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,199
just going to move on. They're not part of you.

1829
02:16:27,359 --> 02:16:29,720
They're not somebody that I want to work with personally.

1830
02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:32,120
I mean, I appreciate them listening. I hope they get

1831
02:16:32,159 --> 02:16:34,159
a lot out of it, and I hope they make

1832
02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:38,600
the journey one day to you away from a place

1833
02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:42,600
that is unproductive in the real world. But I mean,

1834
02:16:42,760 --> 02:16:45,680
I see a lot of people who contact me and

1835
02:16:45,719 --> 02:16:50,319
reach out that they may. I mean, I assume most

1836
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:52,079
of them are just really good people, but they just

1837
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:57,280
aren't ready. They basically they're coming to you with how

1838
02:16:57,360 --> 02:17:02,680
they see the world working. And if you don't assent

1839
02:17:02,760 --> 02:17:06,719
to where they're at, there, you know there's something wrong

1840
02:17:06,760 --> 02:17:11,399
with you. You're taking Palateer money, You're taking Peter Teel money.

1841
02:17:12,680 --> 02:17:13,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just.

1842
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't. I just try to be

1843
02:17:20,079 --> 02:17:22,440
as polite as possible, but you know, publicly I do,

1844
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:25,719
you know, I have advertise it. I want I want

1845
02:17:25,719 --> 02:17:29,879
this to be a Spergra free zone. And yeah, just not.

1846
02:17:30,200 --> 02:17:34,360
I mean, it's it's impossible because too many people now

1847
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:38,719
have grown up online and their whole they have no

1848
02:17:38,879 --> 02:17:43,079
they have very few in real life acquaintances, do very

1849
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:47,280
do very little in real life. They're definitely not organizing

1850
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:50,680
trying to make their lives better and their and their

1851
02:17:50,680 --> 02:17:55,879
people's lives better. So, you know, I'm polite as long

1852
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:58,200
as they're polite. But if you know they want to

1853
02:17:58,200 --> 02:18:00,639
get out of line with me, you know then and

1854
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:04,159
PM I'm pretty good at getting out of line with them.

1855
02:18:04,520 --> 02:18:07,239
Speaker 3: So it's so dumb, man, It's so dumb. I guess

1856
02:18:07,479 --> 02:18:12,559
we'll leave it at this, but like, your views had

1857
02:18:12,600 --> 02:18:17,760
to change a lot to get you wherever you're at. Like,

1858
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:20,719
let's say, if you're listening to the show, right, you

1859
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:23,920
got a lot of things wrong in the past, and

1860
02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:28,520
now you see things much much differently. To think that

1861
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:34,120
you have it one hundred percent right this moment is

1862
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:37,760
as dumb as you thinking you had it one hundred

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percent right before you ended up on this journey. So

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if you're looking for people to validate your existing worldview,

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you haven't actually taken the time to think. There's no

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way that this is one hundred percent accurate my worldview.

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There are things that I'm still not seeing, just like

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they were things that you were still not seeing back

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in five years ago when you were a normally conservative

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or whatever or libertarian. Right. This is a never ending process.

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It's you're never going to have an accurate description of

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the world.

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Speaker 2: Be humble, be flexible.

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Speaker 1: We could do a whole another episode on this about

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just basically how how the internet. You know, the way

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I grew up was we talked to each other face

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to face, and if you wanted to say some ship,

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you knew that there was a chance that you were

1879
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going to get up for consequences for saying you for

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02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:43,959
saying ship yep, and yeah, I've said it forever. It's

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like the problem with most people today is they've never

1882
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taken a punch to the face mm hmm yep, or

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they've never punched someone.

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Speaker 2: In the face. They're both wonderful experiences.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's also like getting in trouble, Like

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you have a hostile regime, chances are it's going to

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fuck with you. Like there's a good chance that you're

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going to get in trouble, and just like getting punched

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in the face, if like you're not mentally prepared for

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that eventuality, you're going to get laid out. Like these

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people basically have existed in the world where there's no act,

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there's no consequences for any action that they do. They

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02:20:31,239 --> 02:20:34,399
don't get punched in the face, they don't get hmmed up.

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They don't they haven't really experienced anything, but they're so

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sure that they have everything correct. Like the life experiences

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column is blank.

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Speaker 1: The anon on the internet can do some amazing things,

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but they think that's all they are. Yeah, it's like

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even worse, it's a bit Yeah, you know, it's like

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I mean, you're not going to win this war on

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the internet. You're actually going to have to get out

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and meet people and organize. And then what they will

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say is and what you know a lot of scumbags

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02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:20,639
and our enemies will say is well, as soon as

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you do that, the Fed's infiltrate and you know, and

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now everything's just a fed up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just my friend is chill.

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Speaker 1: Run with that, Run with that, and then watch watch

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how nothing improves for you.

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Speaker 2: Nothing. Stop being a scaredy cat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like, oh, I want to change the

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political regime, but I don't want to get in trouble

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doing it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I demand total Riyan victory without me lifting a finger.

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Speaker 3: Yes exactly, I want to.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's going to win that for them. I mean

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I had somebody like unsubscribe from one of my platforms,

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and then the reason they unser subscribed was because I

1919
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was too black pilling. Okay, God, off your ass, go

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out and do something for yourself. And you are waiting

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for Donald Trump to save you, you fucking idiot.

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Speaker 3: They want infotainment, Pete.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump only helps those who help themselves.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it, right there, Carl, Carl do your plugs.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man, great talking to both of you, had a

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great time. Thank you very much. Author of two books,

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Faction and Faction with Their Crusaders. We use that word

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faction a lot. There's a reason I used it in

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the title of my book. You need to think about factions,

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not monoliths. Get with the fucking program. You can see

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more of my stuff on my sub stack. That's where

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I put all my podcast appearances and short articles. And

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I got another short story coming up on there from

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the World of Faction. Carldall dot substack dot com. Thank you, gentlemen,

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happy to do it.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a substack?

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Speaker 3: Now, I do have a substack. I've published an audio

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essay on it, and I think I should probably, judging

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by the feedback, I should probably do a lot more

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of them. So I'm gonna start dropping audio essays.

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Speaker 2: You should.

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Speaker 1: What's the name of the substack.

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Speaker 3: It's just Stormy Waters.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I'll here, let.

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Speaker 3: Me let me check. I'm kind of retarded. Yeah it is. Uh,

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there you go, I'll drop in the chat. Yeah, it's

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just Stormy Waters.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, gentlemen, Thank you, take care right,

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Thank you.