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Speaker 5: Sure oome, my friends, to the Memorial Day edition of
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eight hundred and eight for eight nine two two two.
But we have a pack schedule, so we may not
with us today, my friends, is one of my all
time favorite people in the world. He is the former
web producer for the Russian limbo show, one of them.
In addition to that, he's a brilliant columnist. In fact,
I have his Memorial Day column here and I also
have here his Tom Cruise movie review, which I was
a little surprised that he runs a website historyauthor dot com.
And if you love history, he's the guy. His name
Dean Carrianus and he is our official historian here. And
before we even hi, Dean, how are you hey? How
are you?
Speaker 6: Thanks for welcoming me on, And there's always a great introduction.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm always glad that you can appear, Dean. Before
we delve into into memorial Dane the meanings of that,
I just want to touch on a story real quickly
for the audience that I need to do Charles Wrangell
passed away. Charles Wrangel, Democrat, a Democrat that I very often,
very often disagreed with on some policy matters. There were
a few policy things that Charlie Wrangele used to talk
about back when he was a member of Congress. He
served goodness. I think he served twenty fourth three. He
served twenty three terms in Congress, which you know, Yetta,
that's a long time. Became the first African American to
head up the Ways and Means Committee, which used to
mean something back when committee chairs had real power in Congress.
Represented Harlem, part of the New York the Gang of Four,
the Big Four, Basil Pattison, Charlie Wrango, Percy Sutton, David
Dinkins of African Americans that actually had political power. But
Charlie Wrangle was. Charlie Wrangle was a man who served
his country and heroically as well. In the Korean War,
he won the Purple Heart and the Soul Star for bravery.
I mean, this guy led his troops out of a
situation with an unexpected attack from North Korea that just
really could have killed them all. He was wounded in
that process. He's a high school dropout who later went
back after serving in the military and applied himself became
not just a college college graduate, but then went on
to get his law degree. And at a time this
was a difficult time in America when Charlie Wrangell rose
to power. Wasn't the most difficult time in America, but
it certainly was. We were still dealing with the Jim
Crow Democrat apartheid system in America that Democrats set up.
And again, there's a lot that I want to say
about Charlie Wrangele. I don't want to spend the show
doing it. Perhaps I'll have more time to talk about
him Saturday. I disagreed with him on so many things,
but I always had a fondness for Charlie Wrangell, a
fondness that also recognized his service to this country in
the military and his passion. Of course, he ran into
some ethics problems with the Democrats later in life, which
is one of the reasons why he decided not to
seek reelection in twenty seventeen. But I don't even want
to focus on that. At the time, when he was
being censured, he said that his legacy's not going to
be or his story's not going to be defined by that,
but by the story of his life, and he led
an amazing life, and I felt a sense of loss today.
And yes, I disagreed with him profoundly on so many things.
But I always had a very fond view of Charles B. Wrangle,
who passed away at age ninety four, who did a
lot for the city of New York and for Harlem,
and so I just wanted to take a few minutes
and also give condolences to his family into all of
those in New York who knew him. And I think
that Charlie Wrangle, I think that it would be fair
to say that he had a great life, Dean, would you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm making notes as you talking nodding, because
he was one of those old school politicians.
Speaker 6: And I guess maybe every carry generation thinks that in
those days, but I don't think so in this case.
I think Charlie Wrangle was somebody where you say, he
just had a different instinct. I wrote about this recently
in The New York Sun about the example between John
Kerry in that one town hall and he starts borrating
the guy did you wrote for Bush? Are you a Republican?
And I remember thinking at the time and saying to
Rush the time that the thing about this clip is
if that's a Bill Clinton, that's a Charlie Wrangle, if
that's a Donald Trump, They've they've lived for those moments
and they say, hey, you may maybe you are a
Republican and you know, I'm I'm not gonna ask you.
It's a private matter, but I want your vote this time,
and here's why. And that person leaves there feeling like
a million bucks instead of getting booed by a crowd
like in that John Kerry count Hall. And then people
identify with that little guy. And I think I have
a couple of stories and stories by proxy from when
he used to come by Fox News Channel. Charlie Wrangle
and Brian from the old Rush TV show once was
saying to him, Oh, can I can I get your car?
And he says, nah, I drove myself here, Brian, and
he said, wow, you drove yourself and he said, yay.
You know, Congressman could do all sorts of things. We
can drive cars, I could go to the supermarket. Just
to him, it seemed like, you know, always on, you know,
with that thing not getting pupped up, didn't demand a
car just yeah, I can drive and do my own things.
I'm not just because I'm in Congress doesn't mean I,
as I said of William McKinley, had his ears so
close to the ground that he had grasshoppers in it.
And that's the kind of person I think, before Twitter,
before all of these consultants, that that Charlie Wrangle was
and you met him and he knew and you and
I had different experiences with that. But of course sometimes
you'd meet somebody, they'd know that you worked for RUSS
and then they would they would go right to you,
like if you know what cats are like, they go
right for the person that that doesn't like them for
this to try to seduce them a little bit and
to try to be friendly. And I think especially since
as you said, he was a real partisan guy, he
was a dedicated Democrat, but that didn't mean that he
had to be a nasty, hateful person, and that he
could be somebody where you would see him. And we've
met a million people over the courses of our career,
not to name droppers say things, but somebody who had
real gravitas, and you'd say, yeah, I'd like to I'd
like to hang out with that guy and have a beer,
and I'd like to just hear what he thought. And
and as you said, great service to the city of
New York, a real understanding of New York. New York
was never just a stepping stone to something else. And
or was his military service you think of being surrounded
by the Red Army, by the yes, communist Chinese Army there,
I mean, this wasn't just oh he was in the Ditcheny.
He exaggerated his service and oh he served four years
and came home and earned the earned the Purple Heart
which always say earned, and the Silver Star. This was
a moment that that was really the stuff of movies.
And I think he may even have featured in a
movie at one point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had. It was remarkable how he led his
men out of harm's way being surrounded in North Korea.
It was studying. And what a great thing to talk
about on this Memorial Day. You have a column here today.
In the past, we talked about the origins of Memorial Day,
and if you want to do that, if we wanted
to bring people up to speak, because there are people
on social media. I saw clips of people who had
no idea why we even celebrate right Memorial Day. I
don't think any of those people are in this audience,
but you have a column today. First of all, Dean, seriously,
Tom Cruise, Final Mission really, really really Dean, so well,
you're really Dean, really Dean.
Speaker 6: He'st from New Jersey. I'm from New Jersey. There's a
certain level of mutual respect we have to give to
each other. And hey, when you go see it, I'm
telling you that.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to see it. I'm not going to
see m I five. I'll wait for it on TV.
It delivers the movie magic Hollywood's been missing. That's Dean.
Carryanis uh on Tom Cruise's new movie and The Final
Mission Impossible. Apparently Dean thinks it's a great movie that
was yesterday.
Speaker 6: Enjoyed the heck out of it. Exciting and it was fun,
and it was It's nice to see the US military
portrayed as people who are are confident and tip of
the spear and not always own we don't want to
do anything. I like that part of it, and I
think that your audience would like that part of it.
It's nice to see them the general is not always
the evil guy, and I thought that's some birds expectations
and yeah, it's it's silly and it's implausible, as I
write in the column, and defies the laws of physics
and common sense a lot of times. But he really
cares about movie making, cares about the audience. And you know,
the only other person that I could think of that
cared about the audience in recent memory was Rush, who
says I do the audience thanks to the audience. This
guy does not, you know, he's not out there. They
asked him to comment on the tariffs. He said, I
want to keep the focus on the movie. Who does
that anymore? Everybody just wants to start to ramble off
their politics at the moment. He does those little thank
yous before the movie, thanking the audience for coming, thanking
them for seeing it an imax, for the privilege of
being able to make movies. I mean what I just
I just think, wow, he deserves all the praise.
Speaker 5: That's impressive. What do you say? Wait a minute, Carlos,
was it there?
Speaker 8: I read an article. I don't know if mister k
saw that. He apparently lied to a rival studio. When
they called him, they were like, we have stuff production,
and he said, we're doing our movie regularly during COVID,
and that scared out their studios and they made them
continue making movies during COVID.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I read that too. Carlos. He went around
and told people to try to keep them working. And
when COVID hit they were shooting in Italy, he rented
a cruise ship so that all of the old cast
and crew would have someplace to stay and I wouldn't
just be thrown out on the street because they of course,
everything shot down overnight for COVID. And so I think
all of that is really something makes me want to
support the guy and go and see these movies. And
I also wrote something good about the previous one that
was Part one, and I I never really watched these movies.
I of course I'm old enough to watch the TV
show Mission Impossible, but I never watched these films. My
late father in law, Ed was a big fan of them,
and my wife liked to go watch them with them.
So then I started watching them, and yeah, I think
I think he deserves it when they call him the
last movie star.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, so a little so now I have a
deeper understanding of why we're getting pro Tom cruise, final
mission impossible columns from history author Dean carry Onis.
Speaker 5: Folks, stay right there because when we get back. Dean
has an amazing column today from Memorial Day eighteen seventy five,
A call for sweet reconciliation echoes today. This is a
really interesting I had to read this column twice, Dean,
because at first I was a little confused, to be
quite frank with you, I was like, what, why'd her?
And then when I reread it, I'm like, WHOA. You
chose a very interesting angle, a historical angle, for today's
column on Memorial Day, and I want you to explain
to the audience why you did it and what's in this.
James Godlan Snurly, Jan Carryannis, historian from a web producer
with Russe Lombaugh, historyauthor, dot com head and columnist for
The New York Sun is with us. James Golden is thoughly.
James Carriannis is with us. You're with us. It's Memorial Day.
Stay right here, honoring those who fought for our country.
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Speaker 5: We will never forget the brave. Today we honor all heroes.
James Golding is thirty, Dean Cary andis is here? Dean?
Why did you okay from Memorial Day eighteen seventy five?
We have only about a minute here. We'll go into
it and more definitely come back. But tell us why
you decided that this was the approach that you wanted
to use for your column today.
Speaker 6: Well, I wanted to write something that was uplifting and
that connected us, because, as you were saying before, a
lot of people don't have a lot of people don't
have that direct connection. They don't really think about what
we are doing today. People sometimes say happy Memorial Day.
It's not meant to be a happy occasion. Although over
time it's become something to celebrate the contributions, it's always
a little jarring, and so I wanted to think about
what was the Civil War generation saying in eighteen seventy five,
which was a year before the centennial. Next year is
the next year is the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary?
What did they have to say to us? So that's
what I covered, and that's just a great take. So
we were folks a decade, just a little more decade
from the Civil War, and Dean went back and looked
in history. What were people talking about on Memorial Day
as America approached its one hundredth birthday. Here we are
ready to approach our two hundred and fiftieth. We're going
to go into that in more depth. So keep it
right here in Memorial Day edition.
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Speaker 5: We will never forget the Brave. Today we honor all
heroes with me. Dean carrianis historyauthor dot com, a New
York Sun columnist. All right, Dean, Today's by the way
quick reference. Lady Benedict texted me. She wants to know
is this the final mission for Mission Impossible or the
final final mission?
Speaker 6: I don't claim to have any inside knowledge of Okay,
I don't, I don't. I don't want to give any spoils. Well,
let's put it this way. I think if they want
to do another one, they can.
Speaker 5: Do another one.
Speaker 6: And I think that they probably will know that Tom
Cruise started. I'm going to mix it in with the Beatles. There,
what did he do today?
Speaker 5: He started that franchise.
Speaker 6: It was it wasn't quite three years ago today, but
I said, because but it was start. It's been going
for a long long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has going in the nineties. Yeah, all right. Now,
So you decided to look back at one hundred years now,
this was the period after the Civil War and obviously
the Civil War, you know, you said, so you wrote
something in your column, Dean that kind of blew my
mind and I had never even thought about it. You
mentioned that it the death hole in the Civil War.
You say, at least six hundred and twenty thousand people
died in the Civil War. That's about two percent of
the population. Now, if we had a war and we
put it on in today's numbers, what two percent of
the American population would be, that would be equal to
six point eight million people dying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the population of Massachusetts. So everyone in that poppy.
Speaker 5: Wow, And I had never even that is stunning and jarring.
So you look back and what did you find when
you look back one hundred What America was talking about
on Memorial Day? As we've prepared to celebrate the hundredth
anniversary of this country was.
Speaker 6: A surprise that it was a time of real optimism.
And I like, if I look back at those dates
and just see and this is a period, this is
about midway point and reconstruction. So something that I always
keep at the forefront of my mind is that for
Ken Burns to tell that beautiful story that everybody likes,
with the exception of me, I guess he has to
cut out the fact that that beautiful picture of Gettysburg
and shaking hands of old veterans across the hedge was
done by selling out the freedmen and leaving the formerly
enslaved people in the Southern States in many cases completely disenfranchised.
Even if they well, and often they couldn't even vote.
It wasn't much better than slavery. And that's often cut
out of those stories. So I wanted to look at
eighteen seventy five, what is our thinking. We're still electing
civil war generals, all these civil war republicans as president
and looking to them. Ulysses Grant has made his war
against the kukuks Klan, the militant wing of the Democratic
Party at the time, trying to reassert their dominance and
white supremacy over those same freedmen. But this is such
a high watermark for that dream of equality. In eighteen
seventy five, we've just elected a senator or they've appointed. Right,
it's mostly the Republicans.
Speaker 5: Go to the South.
Speaker 6: They reconstruct those Southern states and their governments. We have
six black Republicans also serving in the House of Representatives.
You mentioned Charlie Wrangel earlier, and now he's the head
of the Ways and Means Committee. This back then, they
probably thought this is going to be the norm, and
of course it ends up not being the norm. There
ends up being a long period of time where there
aren't any more black representatives in Congress and so. But
to me, it was interesting that because the war had
been so brutal, the South had been so soundly defeated,
that you had people saying who had been on the
defeated side, who'd been generals. I quote one of them here,
General Clement and Slim Evans. You can you can hear him, right,
I was. I was thinking of my head hearing it
in the fog worn leghorn voice. Try not to say
it like that, General Evans, U and the New York
Sun of the time described what he said as as
embodying the true reconstruction spirit. And he said, let us
do nothing to keep alive the passions of war. To
study its lessons is prudence, to profit by its teaching
his wisdom. But to stir up the own animosities is madness.
And he said, the Confederate Confederacy was buried and utterly defeated,
and we dismissed our resentment. And I compared that to today,
and I said, we're so many people want to hold
on to resentment, whoever they are. I'm not speaking of
any one group. It's so easy for all of us
to hold on to resentment. But they had paid that
massive price that you just described. They'd seen farms destroyed,
people had lost their sons, entirely people. This is not
six hundred and twenty thousand figure is on the low end, probably,
And it doesn't even count the shambling people that lost eyes,
that lost limbs. This was such a brutal war that
people had just had enough of it. This was something
William to come to. Sherman said, the Great Union General
the South has chosen war. Well, let's give it to
them until they're sick of it. And that's indeed what
they did. And by eighteen seventy five, ten years after
the surrender at Appromatus Courthouse, that's what people are thinking of, thinking,
you know, let's never have this happen again. Let's go
back to settling things that are in the using the
tool the Constitution gives us, as I guess what I write,
and so they avoid that, whereas today people talk about
another civil war and you're met with nods, you know,
these knowing nods that if fatalism is somehow enlightened, as
if this nihilistic view that oh, sure of course people
are just going to start shooting each other. We just
accepted nothing.
Speaker 5: We can do.
Speaker 6: Well, if you live through that civil war these people
did in eighteen seventy five, they wanted none of it.
They wanted to move on. They accepted Lincoln's vision, even
though he passed away Grant, of course, enforced it at
the point of a bayonet, at the point of a gun,
which is what it also required for us to do,
not sify Germany, for us to get rid of the
war lost in Imperial Japan, very similar to what Israel
will have to do if they don't want to end
up having to do to deal with Hamas again in
another twenty years. And that was the idea of reconstruction.
And as I said, you even add in Arkansas you
had former black Federal soldiers marching alongside former Confederates under
the one United States flag, not one side carrying a
different flag. It was the Confederate flag force that would
have been. So that to me was an amazing time
to check in on them where they were saying, let's
do better, let's never again for all this we hear
about the South shall rise again, and we I don't
know if people still hear that at all today, but
occasionally you'd hear someone someone say that the North and
South wanted to find ways to avoid that ever happening again,
because they the nation just went crazy and to war
against itself and had this horrible bloodlust. And so I
thought that looking ahead to our two hundred and fifty,
if we could draw some inspiration from that and set
our goal also to create a more perfect, more just.
Speaker 5: Union, well that is quite the inspirational. And that I would
urge people to look for your column, jan Where can
they find your column number one?
Speaker 6: They can go see me at history Dean. I won't
ask anybody to learn to spell Carrie Annis. But also
I put it up on substack. This is my first
substack post Historydean dot substack dot com. Even though I
think substacks are blogs for people who are too pretentious
to say they have blogs. I decided to put it
up there because it was something I went back and
forth with a little bit trying to figure out what
to do with it. And I said, I really just
want to get it out there because it was very
personal to me, and that substack seemed like a good
place for it. But and you were kind enough to
tweet it out, So thank you for doing that. And
you can see a picture there by the way of
those those six African Americans who served in Congress at
that period, and think a little bit about what might
have been if we if we've been able to keep
our foot on the on the gas and keep our
foot on the Yeah.
Speaker 5: If it had, if Lincoln's vision for a reconciliated country
without malice had been followed through America, would be quite
different than it is today. There's no question about it.
Speaker 2: Dean.
Speaker 5: I got to thank you again and thank you for
always being here for us on these very important days
in American history. I cannot tell you how much I
appreciate that. Again, folks, you can find his website historyauthor
dot com, Dean carrianas History Dean and Dean. We'll look
forward to we need to do figure out something special
for the two hundred and fifty Dean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 5: We should definitely do that, Okay.
Speaker 6: Lets yeah, thank you connection.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Jane. We appreciate it. Folks. We
are going to end today, thank you. We're going to
end today with Pete hag Seth. Now, Donald Trump made
great speech. He released a statement, but I thought Pete
hag Seth's speech today as the Tomb of the Unknown
Sol was incredible. We want to leave enough time so
you can hear it. So coming up Secretary of Defense,
Pete Hegseeth. His speech today just simply incredible. Coming back,
do not go away.
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Speaker 5: We are forever grateful who served. James Golden sternly. Time
is running out. I want to get to this speech
today by Defense Secretary Pete heigsth Folks, you'll understand why
I thought this. If you haven't heard it, why I
thought you should.
Speaker 10: President Trump, Vice President Vance, Chairman Kin, Gold Star, Families, ladies,
and gentlemen, thank you for joining us today to remember
our fallen warriors. We gather here to honor our very
best gone in their youth. To properly do so, we
understand who they are and what they fought for. It
is our simple duty to them. You know, throughout time,
civilizations have honored the powerful, the well connected, and the
well born. Emperors and kings have built magnificent shrines to
their own royal greatness. Yet in America, with our great
experien in self government, it is fitting that the most
honored and closely guarded tomb in the land is that
of an anonymous soldier of an unknown rank.
Speaker 2: When the first unknown.
Speaker 10: Soldier was selected for burial in nineteen twenty one, he
laid in state at the Capitol Rotunda. Throngs of Americans
paid their respects when the tomb was dedicated on November eleventh,
Veterans Day. The unknown received the Medal of honor. It's
a uniquely American tradition that we honor anonymous sacrifice above
worldly greatness. While we don't know the Unknown's identity, race, or.
Speaker 2: Creed, we know his story. It's the story of every soldier,
every warrior. It's a simple story as old as war.
Speaker 10: A young man with hopes and dreams and loves who's
called by his God country leaves behind his hometown, his parents,
his siblings, his sweetheart, all that he knows to go
fight a war that he may or may not understand.
He's called to go through helen back, to sleep in
a trench, to eat out of a tin cup, or
on the hood of a hum v to pray as
bullets and bombs thunder around him, to fear for the
bullet or the mortar, or the ied or the RPG
with his name on it. He does it willingly and
stoically because he loves his country, his brothers in arms,
and his family. This is the story of the Unknown,
the story of the fallen soldier who we have gathered
today to honor. It is the story of the American warrior.
He answered the call, fought and died for this republic.
Speaker 2: The ultimate sacrifice of a free people. You see, the.
Speaker 10: American soldier fights not because he hates what's in front
of him, but because he loves what's behind him.
Speaker 2: We honor his.
Speaker 10: Self for sacrifice, his courage, his duty, and his love,
as Jesus taught his disciples, Greater love hath no man
than this, that a man lay down his life for
his friends. This love is a gift given freely. And
yet this gift comes with responsibility to those living.
Speaker 2: We owe a duty to those who have fallen in war.
Speaker 10: They have paid a debt we can never repay, and
for that we owe gratitude and remembrance.
Speaker 2: We owe at least this.
Speaker 10: To remember their sacrifice and honor their memory year after year,
salute after salute, ceremony after ceremony, parade after parade, pray
after prayer, that by our remembrance we keep lit the
eternal flame of their heroic deeds in defense of our nation.
And we owe eternal vigilance, eternal vigilance the price of freedom.
These men died for something, the hope of a free, secure.
Speaker 2: And peaceful republic.
Speaker 10: That is our inheritance, and we must steward it and
hand it down to our kids.
Speaker 2: And our grandkids. We must live worthy of it.
Speaker 10: These men dreamt of a future in which their children
would not fear of attack. No enemy could threaten their peace,
no war could require them to take up arms. The
duty we owe these men is peace, which only can
be achieved through strength. And because we strive for peace,
we must prepare for war. That's the job of the
Chairman and I and so many others at the Defense
Department each and every day. We will never on behalf
of those who've given so much.
Speaker 2: We will never be complacent. We owe these men nothing.
Speaker 10: Less our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. So
on this Memorial Day, in honor of the unknown soldiers
and the known, let us rededicate ourselves to God and country,
to our great Republic two hundred and forty nine years on.
We stand on the shoulders of great men, and on
the shoulders of those great men in those graves.
Speaker 2: And may we live worthy of it.
Speaker 10: Thank you, God bless our warriors, and may God bless
our fallen and Amen, Amen.
Speaker 5: And amen. And on this Memorial day, what I would
just like to do add to that is say God
bless all of the men and women who have sacrificed
their lives so that we can be the beneficiaries of
a freedom that changed the world and the direction of
the world, and that we can call ourselves proudly American citizens.
Because if you go back, this did not come easy.
It does not come easy as God intended. May God
bless and protect each and every single one of you,
your family, your loved ones. Love and gratitude my friends
always for your being here with me and allowing me
to be with you. We're here, God willing for the
Tuesday edition. Until then, my friends, I bid you, I
do Happy Memorial Day. Bye.
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