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of July weekend, Independence Day weekend, and we're talking about
the Revolutionary War and how we got here through the
shot heard around the world, and a lot of people
want to talk about the guns of the revolution and
what happened there. All right, we're talking with Evan Brewed.
He is the executive editor of American riflem and at
the NRA. And Evan, you got a background in history
and journalism and you're a real fishonado of well Revolutionary
War and Civil War. You wrote a piece about or
started off with the movie the Patriots said, you know,
like typical movies, they get a lot of stuff wrong
in guns. What is it that we think we know
that isn't true about.
Speaker 4: That well, you know, and I have to start with,
you know, giving my apologies to mel Gibson, because it
is really just a wonderfully entertaining film and you know,
I enjoyed a lot of people enjoy it. But when
you start looking at the details that the film conveys,
that's where things start to fall apart. And you know,
it kind of gives you this idea that fighting in
the American Revolution was you know, a lot more simplistic
than it actually was. You know, the British weren't just
these red coated automatons marching in a line, and you know,
the Americans weren't all, you know, hunting shirt clad snipers
operating from the woods either.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the British would line up, you know and
shoot their muskets and we like to think that, yeah,
they did that because the guns weren't accurate, but you
made the point that they could actually shoot a lot
farther than we thought. And they were actually very professional armies.
Speaker 4: They were, I mean, Great Britain had the professional army
of the middle of the eighteenth century. These were guys
who had fought in the seven years more, they'd fought
in North America, before they had experience, and they did
learn from those experiences. Now, the British they actually trained
to see what the effectiveness of their regiment was at
distances that are a lot farther than we might imagine.
You know. They'd lay out strips of cloth at one
hundred and two hundred and three hundred yards and beyond
and fire volleys at them to see what kind of
hit rate they would get. And so they were exploring
some of the capabilities of these arms that went beyond
just individual marksmanship, because that really wasn't the priority at
the time.
Speaker 2: Was there a basic difference between what the colonists were
using and how they operated in the British.
Speaker 4: There were, absolutely, but you know a lot of it
once you get into the details. You know, the best answer,
best simple answer is it really depends. You know, the
American colonies were not this homogeneous set of people who
all use the same sort of arms. You know, in
New England a popular sort of civilian firearm was the Follower.
It was a smooth boar hunting arm, but it also
allowed them to do militia service as well because they
could load more rapidly. The other thing is, you know,
the American long rifle the quintessential American gun. Right, its
utility was really limited more to the mid Atlantic colonies.
It first emerges in southern Pennsylvania in the seventeen forties
and fifties, and then you see it spread into Maryland
and Virginia and the Carolinas. These were guys that were
operating on the frontier, and the long rifle really developed
to serve their needs. And so you know, in June
of seventeen seventy five, when the Continental Army is formed,
they raised ten companies of riflemen. But it's important to
remember none of these guys were actually there in the
Siege of Boston. They all had to come marching up
from Maryland and Virginia to join the fight.
Speaker 2: Sure, these are just folks living in their lives out there.
They weren't part of an organized military arm at all,
and they just had to show up with what they had,
or maybe even didn't have.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right, And you know, in a lot of
cases it really was more a question of what they
didn't have, you know. And the run up to the
fighting around Boston in seventeen seventy five, you had the
so called committees of Safety right, and these were groups
of individuals that were looking to cobble together all the
things you need to sustain a fight army. And you know,
you have to remember too, just because a lot of
folks owned arms of this period doesn't mean all of
them were really perfectly adequate for you know, military use
or militia use. So that's where you start seeing the
rise of the you know, the Committee of Safety musket,
you know, these military arms that they're building clandestinely to
equip themselves for the coming war.
Speaker 2: It is a fascinating area of study, and there are
people who keep this alive with reenactments and of course
the study and the museums we have. What's a good
way for people if they said, yeah, that's interesting, I
want to know more about that, how should people try
to research that?
Speaker 4: Well, there's you know a lot of really dedicated groups
out there, you know, muzzle loading forums. There's some good
reproduction makers. David Petter Sally is a good one. Kibbler's
long Rifles. They make some good kids too. You know,
there's a there's a pretty solid growing market to get
involved in black powder shooting in general. And in fact,
we'll have an upcoming article in American Riflemen in our
September issue that lays out where people can find some
of these reproduction arms.
Speaker 2: Is there a reason for people now, with all our
modern firearms to know about and maybe even explore the
world of what we were shooting two hundred years ago?
Speaker 4: Absolutely there is. You know, one of the you know,
constant refrains that you hear among you people on the
gun control side of things, the people who want to
see more regulation of modern firearms is they'll say things like,
you know, the Founders could never have envisioned modern firearm technology,
or you know, the Second Amendment was written only for muskets. Right, Well,
you start exploring this world and you begin to realize
that it's a lot more rich and varied and interesting
than you know, many people might think it is. They
were experimenting with rifles, They had breech loading designs like
the Ferguson rifle of seventeen seventy six. They were employing
military rifles that went far beyond the capabilities of the
issue smooth or musket of the British Army. So, you know,
the founding fathers recognized that firearms could really be a
lot more than even what they were at the time,
and that it was a continuing evolution in capability, and
they made use of those new capabilities during the American Revolution.
Speaker 2: Okay, gotta ask what was the puckle gun.
Speaker 4: The puckle gun, Yeah, that's an early form of breechloader
that you know, was a revolving kind of Gatling esque
style of breech loading firearm. But this is in the
days before the self contained cartridge, so they had to
kind of come up with these little containers that you know,
allowed them to sort of primitively contain cap and ball
to create a firearm that could be fired more rapidly.
Speaker 2: But it was in fact a rapid firefirearm. For those
who say were the only the founders could never imagine, Yeah,
they could they hit a rapid fire gun.
Speaker 4: They absolutely had rapid fire guns. And again, you know
I mentioned the Ferguson rifle. You know, Major Patrick Ferguson
was you know, in the British Army and he devised
this rapid fire breech loading infantry rifle that he used
during the conflict that allowed him to fire six well
aimed shots a minute. It was an ingenious design and
you know it just didn't see all that much use
during the Revolution, but it was used, and it was
used quite effectively. That's a guy that was you know,
he was almost a century ahead of his time, and
again just really limited by the powder of the time
and some of the manufacturing capabilities of the time. But
the idea was there, the thought process was there, and
how can we make these arms better and more effective?
Speaker 2: And tikers have really focused on firearms throughout history, and
a lot of innovation, I mean, even to the point
of mass production came from the firearms world.
Speaker 4: Absolutely it did, you know. I mean the Charlotteville that
ended up becoming the primary arm of the Continental army
by war's end. That was the catalyst for a lot
of the early development in mass production. You had a
French gunsmith named Honore A Blanc who was working to
find expedient ways to mass produce guns. He was doing
this with the Model seventeen seventy seven, which was also
used by French troops, but it was used during the Revolution.
Speaker 2: Amazing stuff. Evan Burnan, thank you so much. I look
forward to reading the article. It comes down in the
September issue of American Riflemen. Keep up the good work.
You inform a lot of us and we love your
enthusiasm you bring to this.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Tom. And you know folks want to
read the article, they can download the July issue at
the NRI app or checkout American Riflemen dot org.
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, take care and again, Happy
birthday to America and our independence of two hundred and
fifty years.
Speaker 4: Happy two fiftieth yea, thanks Tom.
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Let's see here a range of four coming in from
Steven out of Utah Online. Three, Hey Steven, what's that man?
Speaker 9: So back in March. I went to a gun show
and I picked up a Schmidt Rubin MODDEL eighteen ninety
six eleven. It was made nineteen oh one.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 9: It is a Swiss straight pole military rifle.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 9: And I waited until now to fall in and talk
about it because since it's chambered in seventy five by
fifty five Swiss today seventy five, So I'm trying to
make a seventy five.
Speaker 2: Day Why not? Right? I like it? So now I'm
kind of vaguely familiar with straight pull. This must have
been one of the early straight poll models.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: It was made in nineteen oh one, and the cartridge
was developed by mister Ruben and the rifle was developed
by mister Schmidt. It's a thirty cow projectile, so I
can use my three white bullets in it. I usually
go about one sixty five. It pushes them out at
about twenty three hundred to twenty seven hundred fixt per second.
Speaker 2: Okay. I want to ask you the question that I'm
sure you have heard many times from people when you
tell them about this rifle. Why why do you have it?
Why do you like it?
Speaker 9: I like things that are a little bit different, but
not completely entertainium when it comes to AMMO. You know,
I have a lot of older guns that you know,
shoot twenty two short. I got a Winchester pump action
twenty two gallery gun that was made in nineteen oh two.
But I can still get that AMMO really easily today.
You know, I've got to say AK and three eight
because I have three O eight and so I just
like I guess odd rifles in common rounds, I guess.
Speaker 10: Is what I like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't mind having weird as long as you
can feed it and shoot it.
Speaker 9: It's right, That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's cool. What a neat idea. I love that. Well, look,
thank you, sir. That's I arranged a port. I didn't
know where we're going to beginning today, but I appreciate that.
I still grabbed Joel Online five out of New Jersey.
He's got a thought for us, Hey.
Speaker 10: Joe, Tom.
Speaker 11: The gun that's the America's gun has to be the
lever action rifle invented here over one hundred and fifty
years ago and still being produced today in massive quantities.
Speaker 2: And maybe more now than ever, more and ever.
Speaker 11: And I think if you showed a picture of a
lever action rifle to anybody in the world who knows
anything about a gun, and you say where was this
gun originated, they'd have to say America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course people have seen them in Western movies,
you know, for one hundred years now, and so that
probably has a huge impact on awareness. So you would
put the lever action above. Oh, I don't know the
m one Carbean or the Grand or the nineteen eleven pistol.
Speaker 11: In terms of being iconic. And again, it's got a
longer it's got a longer lifespan than any of those
some you know, because it was what eighteen seventy three
was the Winchester the gun that won the West. So
it's got a longer lifespan. It's more than more are
being produced today than every before. Anybody in the world
would recognize it as an American gun. The close runner
up would have to be the Thompson submachine gun, which
again is you know, recognizable as an American.
Speaker 2: Icon right, right, So do you have a lever action?
Speaker 10: Oh? Absolutely.
Speaker 11: I got a Marlon thirty thirty tome that I've had
for I bought it when I was eighteen years old,
and I've had it for over fifty years, So that
tells you how old I am.
Speaker 2: Now, Wow, do you still shoot it?
Speaker 11: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the weirdest thing. And we just take it for
granted that we can buy this gun, We'll shoot it
for fifty years and expect it to last another fifty years.
Speaker 11: Oh absolutely, Tom, this that gun is. You know, if
I hand a team and say I bought it last year,
you'd have a hard time by looking at it, tell
me that I didn't.
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing stuff.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 2: You know, I do not disagree with it. I want
to leave the floor open for other nominations as we
get out here, but I appreciate that this is at
least one nomination for what we would call America's gun
on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country,
the lever Action. If you've got a thought on that,
give me a call an eight six y six talk
gun or Tom talk gun. All right, let me jump
back to where we are today, and that is the
US Supreme Court has agreed to take a case looking
at the bans on Air fifteen rifles. We've been trying
to get this before the United States Supreme Court for
many many years and they just agreed to take the case.
I mean like last week they said, yeah, we're going
to accept this. We're going to grant cert so in
its next session next year or later on this year,
actually they will hear the oil arguments. And then what
they did is they took there were several cases that
had been appealed to the Supreme Court from various states.
They took two of them and combined them. The primary
one is out of Cook County in Illinois. And of
course JP Pritzker, the governor, has said, oh, yeah, yeah, no,
it's perfectly constitutional to ban these guns. Well, no, it's not.
Almost every scholar who has looked at this, no matter
which side of the issue they're on or said no,
according to Heller and Bruin, you cannot ban guns that
are in common use for lawful purposes. Well, the AR
fifteen is probably we don't know twenty million of them
out there. We do call that common. And are they
commonly used for lawful purposes? Yes, they are. In fact,
if you start looking at guns used in crime, rifles
are used in crime, like three percent of murders are
committed with rifles, and the AIR fifteen's is a subset
of rifles. Actually, the FBI more people are murdered with
fists and feet than they are with AR fifteens. And
yet none of that actually really matters, because the only
thing that really matters is is the AR fifteen. Is
this platform covered by the Second Amendment? Enter, Yes, it's
an arm? Okay, I can't say it's not an arm
because it is. And then step two is is there
a historical analog back to when the Second Amendment was
written to ban commonly owned guns? And there was not.
There's nothing like this in our nation's history. So the
thinking right now is that the AR fifteen bans in
states like Virginia that just passed them, California that has them, Illinois,
on and on and on, several state, number of states
have these, they're all going to go down. It will
be perfectly go for people in those states. For you
to purchase and own and shoot an AR fifteen and
any number of other semi automatic firearms that are banned
by these unconstitutional laws. We're in a new place, we're
in a new time. I got some more thoughts on
that when we come back, but i'd love to get
your take if you're in one of these states where
you have not been able to have one? Are you
ready to buy an AR fifteen? Our number here is
Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun Talk.
All right, We're going to go straight to the phones,
and I got some thoughts here. Tim is online too
out of Georgetown, Ohio. Hey, Tim, you're on gun Talk.
What you got Hey?
Speaker 10: Great? Thanks Tom for taking my call. First of all,
I want to say thanks for everything you do for
the gun community and everything that you've done in the past.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
Speaker 10: But I've got a Stealth Arms Platypus that I ordered
some time ago, and I think it's probably an underrated
gun as far as the twenty three to eleven style
guns go. I've had. I've probably got about thousand rounds
through it at this point. And the only failure I had,
and I'll kind of classify that as an operator error,
was the slide didn't lock back on my second magazine
through the gun, but I think that was due to
my finger placement. But it's just an accurate gun. It's fun.
Speaker 2: It's Tim. Let me get you if you were I'm
a backup. Let's get you to explain to the listeners
what is the platypus O.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry. It's a It's a customizable, highly customizable twenty
three to eleven handgun, and the one I have takes
block magazines, and I just recently purchased the second one
for my wife to keep her grubby hands off of mine,
and we got it compatible with the CI three twenty mags.
But you get on their website and you can build
this gun. I'll call it paint but so Sarah could finish.
But you can make it look just any way you
wanted to look. And beyond that, it's just real, accurate
and reliable as you can be. Just a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: What was it that motivated you to choose that? I mean,
there are a lot of double stacked ninety eleven pistols
out there. Why did you go that way?
Speaker 10: Well, I guess because of the unique uniqueness of the look.
I didn't want the typical black gun. But I also
didn't want it to look like a toy. You know,
that was important to us. We didn't want to build
it and make it look all toys looking with sure
you know all the colors, and run that risk. But yeah,
just just that fact. My wife loves that kind of stuff.
So she was a big part of it. And like
I mentioned, she's got her own now. So yeah, it's
just one of those things. I got the twenty three
eleven bug about a year and a half ago, and
that was the first one I got.
Speaker 2: So what do you do? Are you shooting competition with them?
Or these your carry guns? Home defense?
Speaker 10: What's the deal the home defense and just a arranged toy?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't compete, but.
Speaker 10: It's just just keep them by my bed every night.
And now my wife has one on hers as well
as Okay, I've got red dot on it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's where I was going, optics over ironsight. I
was assuming optics because when you go that level of pistol,
you're probably going to drop an optic on it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and then again it's it's one of the things
you can customize it or have it built to accept
virtually any any red dot you want in this direct
mount without any plate. I've been shooting them, like I said,
for over a year now, and I've had no issues
with the optic come and loose or anything that.
Speaker 2: Great we have we have such wonderful guns being made now,
high level gun now a lot of them are not
like bargain basement guns, but you sure are getting a
lot of quality.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, absolutely, and so I've got the bug this That
was my first twenty three eleven or twenty eleven double stack.
I'm not sure how you classify them, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just call them all nineteen elevens or double stack's.
Speaker 10: That's probably a better better description. I've got to see
GT four, the P two eleven GT four right, Haven't
that it quite as long? But I really love that gun.
It shoots, It shoots well too, just a little on
the heavy side.
Speaker 2: Carry, but it makes it fun to shoot, doesn't it.
Speaker 10: Absolutely you can't even tell you fired, and it stays flat.
Speaker 2: They're so flat it's incredible. Well, I appreciate great range support, Tim,
Thank you for the call, sir. Look at the kind
of talking about where we are today with the Supreme
Court finally, finally, finally taking the AR fifteen band cases
are There are a dozen states that ban ownership of
AAR fifteen's, are selling them or buying them. Some of
them say you can still on them at your grandfather.
It occurred to me that not everybody knows because I've
been at this for so long, I just kind of
know this stuff, where the term assault weapon came from,
and where the idea came from to try to get
these things banned, and I was just looking at this thing.
I'm I'm just going to read this that I found.
It's from a really good article some background. I just
posted this on x if you want more detail on
how the bands started, where they came from, what the
thinking was behind them. Josh Sugarman was the founder and
executive director of the Violence Policy Center. He laid out
the strategy of misdirection and obfuscation in a nineteen eighty
eight report called quote Assault Weapons and Accessories in America.
I hope you heard that. This is nineteen eighty eight.
Sugarman observed that quote the weapons menacing looks coupled with
the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi
automatic assault weapons dash anything that looks like a machine
gun is assumed to be a machine gun, can only
increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
So Josh Sugarman, founder of the Violence Policy Center, a
gun band group, he said at the time in nineteen
eighty eight, and this is the basis for all of
these laws, the basis for this entire movement. He said,
the public doesn't know the difference between a machine gun
and a semiato. They look the same. We can use
that confusion to misdirect, to lie, and tell them that
these are machine guns and get these semi automatic firearms banned.
Well did it work? Yes, it did. When we had
the nineteen ninety four Clinton gun Band, also known as
the Federal Assault Weapon Ban. Running up to that, I
remember ceing them run every time they would run stories
about the bill to ban assault weapons, they showed file
video of full automatic firearms. I pointed out to them
this mistake others. Did they knew the difference. It was
not a mistake where they, oh, yeah, well they're running
video of machine guns. They just don't know the difference. Yes,
they did. They do exactly what the difference was. They
did it fully intending to mislead the public, and it
worked for many many years. Maybe not quite so much now,
but for many years. You ask anybody what these assault
weapons were that were being banned, they was say, machine guns.
They just assumed because they've been told and been shown
in video that these were in fact full auto guns.
They were machine guns. Now you may say, well, you
shouldn't ban machine guns either. Well, I get it, I
understand it, and I would agree with you. But to
the public, they're not ready for that. They weren't there,
they're not now. So Josh Sugarman said back in eighty eight, Hey,
the public doesn't think you should be able to own
a machine gun. So let's convince them that these semi
autos are actually machine guns. And that has been the
plan since nineteen eighty eight. And now finally the Supreme
Court has taken a case on these gun bands, and
the prediction is that we're going to win it. They're
going to rule these bands unconstitutional. The wild card is
going to be how narrowly or how widely they will
write the opinion. Generally speaking, they write them more narrowly
than we would like. We'll see what happens, but it's
going to be fascinating to watch that whole thing. Let's
go grab John online three out of Dallas, Texas. Hey, John,
you're on gun Talk. What's up? Maybe? Hey John? You there?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Oh? John put his phone down. He took another call.
He's got a sandwich. Well, we're pulling back at some
point the question on the floor. Since we're doing our
two hundred and fiftieth birthday for the United States of America,
what gun or platform would you nominate to be called
America's gun? Just curious. I also had a weird thought this
morning because I decided that for in Dependence Day weekend,
what am I going to wear during the show? Yeah? No,
not close. We're gun. Well for me, it's this is
gonna be easy. So I put on a full size
five inch forty five ACP nineteen eleven single stack John M.
Browning's specialty, this one with a gold bead front sight.
Oh and by the way, don't confuse that because people
say brass bead not the same. A brass bead is
not a gold bead. Richard Heine Heinegun Sights makes a
gold bead. It is actual gold. It's fourteen carrot plated gold.
And it shines like somebody said, yeah, that's an early
model night sighte. Yeah, it is kind of. And I
love the way they look. And I have brass front
sights and they don't shine the same way. So if
you had ever considered, say I want to do something
to my gun, yeah, you always put new grips. You
can do this to that. But if you want to
make it maybe more shootable, something you really like. And
let me tell you, at the range it glows like
crazy gold bead front site, the Hindi gold Bead front
site I really like. So anyway, I put on the
full sized nineteen level. That's where I got on today.
And then I had this weird thought. You know how
when they have the red carpet where there's Academy Awards
whatever it is, people are going by and the media
is there there. They've got these models and actresses and
all walking by in their gowns and the media will
yell out who are you wearing. I'm thinking with our
crew would be like, well, I'm wearing John M. Browning.
Or I'm wearing you know, fashion by Gaston Glock that
is of course. Or I'm wearing a Belgian special yeah
you know from FN Yeah, okay, a high power whatever.
I don't know. It's just the weird way my strange
brain works sometimes. So I gotta tell you. So, we
have these cases going to the Supreme Court. We just won.
In case you weren't paying attention over the last few weeks,
we just want two major Second Amendment cases at the
Supreme Court, the Hawaii case on them basically banning constio
carry everywhere unless all I pushed up a science says
concil carry welcome. And then we had the uh Hamani case,
and then we had Walford case, two major cases out
of the Supreme Court with them basically saying yeah, we're
gonna do some more. And then just like a very
few days later, they announced we're going to take an
AR fifteen case again, taking two of those cases and
combining them. It's a different time. And let me just
say this for all those to keep saying, yeah, he
hasn't really done anything for us. This is Donald Trump.
The Department of Justice right now has a Second Amendment
section headed up by Harmeyt Dylon. She has filed suit
against Virginia for their here fIF team band. She has
file suit against California. She has file suit against sheriff's
departments who delay issuing cosio carry permits. We got the
United States Department of Justice, we've got a new head
of the ATF, we've got a new Attorney General, and
all of them are pro gun, pro Second Amendment. Are
they everything you want? Of course? Not this is a
real world. This is real life, you know? Was it?
Mick Jagger, the famous philosopher, He said, you can't always
get what you want, but if you try, you might
get what you need. And I think that's kind of
where we are. Fifty years ago. After following the paste
even of the nineteen sixty eight Gun Control Act, and
then the Brady Bill and then the Clinton gun ban,
this so called assault weapon ban, it was going only
one way. It was going downhill. And I was looking
at that back then and thinking, I don't know how
long we're going to be able to hold on to
gun rights at all. It's just all going downhill. And
we had a Supreme Court that was wildly liberal and
ruling things to be constitutional which current or obviously were not.
And I just didn't know how we're going to get
out of it. And it's interesting how you get these
unintended consequences. And because of all of that, and then
all that was going on and the excesses in clamping
down on our constitutional rights, we ended up with a
stronger NRA and Second Amendment Foundation in fires Policics Center
and Gun Owners of America and other groups that all
now have come together and working together in concert, pooling
their resources and getting more done. Michael Bluemberg dropped millions,
hundreds of millions of dollars into gun control, and we said,
we don't have that kind of money, but we can
work together and we'll get this work done. And that's
being done right now. It's a different time, and I
have to admit I there were times when I just
did not know if whatever ever get to this point
where we would be getting positive decisions out of the
US Supreme Court blocking gun bands, blocking these bands on
concealed carry, you know, And no, we never get the
decision we really want, but we get good ones. You've
got to be able to accept the good and say, well,
you know, I didn't get perfect, but I got good.
This was pretty good this time. And then what do
you do? You say, well, okay, that was good. We're
going to go home, and no, this just means we're
gonna turn around and go get more. Give me some now,
and I'll go back and get more later. That's the plan.
That's what we do. It's as simple as that, but
it's also as difficult as that. And the reality, I
guess the thing I would like to point out to everybody,
because I've been doing this for more than fifty years.
Anybody starts right now, we'll be doing it for more
than fifty years because the gun banners will never cease.
Trust me on this. Once we get rid of the
bands on air fifteens and they realize that their multi
decade effort to try to get those guns banned is dead,
it's not going to happen. They will go back to
where they were fifty years ago. They were trying to
get handguns banned. The idea was to bang and look.
Way back then, more than fifty percent of the people
in America supported the ban on handguns. Not only do
I say they're going to return to that, they already have.
We already have bands passed on glock and glock clones
in more than one state. Those are going to end
up falling, and the Department Justices already sued on those
as well. But the gun ban industry is already making
their shift, going back to their area plan of trying
to ban handguns. You know, they're not going to be
able to get that done either in light of Heller
and Bruin and McDonald and the other decisions, but it
is where they are. And my point here is that
we can never give up, and we can never rest,
we can never say we won, because this battle will
go on forever. All right. Thanks to the modern the
modern miracle, if you will, of technology, we're able to
get John back in here out of Dallas, Texas. Say John,
you got to range support for us?
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, thanks for having me again on again.
Speaker 2: Hey job.
Speaker 8: So, if you recall I kind of complained about that
HSM five hundred magnum AMO kind of be on the
weaker side of felt recoil. Well, I got my uh,
I got my wish with this new double tap M
four and forty hard cast bullet traveling at eighteen hundred
foot per second, and oh boy, it was a handful,
but I learned a valuable lesson. That was my point
of the phone call is you got to test your AMMO.
So after I shot a cylinder, I could not eject
the brass.
Speaker 10: It was just hard stuck.
Speaker 8: And if I had to reload in the inventor emergency,
oh boy, I'd be in trouble. So everybody out there
listening about what their carry AMO, test your carry ammo
regardless of the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point because we go out and
we shoot cheap practice amo a lot, and then we
go buy the good defensive AMMO and we put in
our guns and we said, well, I'm not going to
shoot that stuff. It's expensive. But you make an excellent point.
How do you know it's actually going to function in
your gun if you want to at least shoot some
rounds through it.
Speaker 8: That's exactly it. And I'll be honest with John. I Tom,
I am a revolver guy. I shoot three fifty seven
magnum forty four magnum fifty AE and Desert Eagle in
five hundred. First time I've had brass stuck and I
wanted to pick your brain.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 8: Is that a danger of over pressure because there's just
so much pressure expanding on the brass. You think I
need to be careful with that.
Speaker 2: There could be a couple of things going on. Could
be the type of brass being used, It could be
a little stickier. It also obviously can be higher pressure
and double tap AMMO. I think Mike loads this stuff
right up to the limit. A lot of companies that
are back in theirs off from the Sammy specs, but
I think Mike to get all the velocity can get
out of it. At double tap. He loads them right
up to the limit safe limit. But it is, you know,
right there at the top level and in some guns
and some chambers, and it may turn out what you
need to do. And just throwing ideas out here, you
might even consider polishing the chambers of your revolver, just
to make them a little slicker and to help with extraction. Yep.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I've done that. I'm shooting hard task lists
and I swapped the I swap it with a board
brush after each rain session. But yeah, that's a good point.
Maybe I shall shall polish it. But the brass, it's
starline brass.
Speaker 10: Each brass looks okay.
Speaker 8: It's just man, I was surprised that it just would
not eject.
Speaker 10: But lesson learned.
Speaker 2: Yep, there you go. Well, thanks for passing that along.
It's good information. Yeah. Look, guys, if you run into
something like that and you got a particular batch of
AMMO that and the thing is, you know what, that
may be sticky and John's revolver and in somebody else's revolver,
same cartridge, same chambering, it may not be sticky. There
just depends on the gun. But if you find a
badge like that and it's a show some kind of
an issue in your gun, I'm tempted to say, just look,
sell to somebody else. Maybe it works in their gun better.
You may not want to keep shooting in your gun.
It may it may not be worth it. It's one
of the reasons we try different AMMO and we always
talk about twenty two Rimpire. You definitely have to try
different types of AMMO, different brands, just to find out
what works best. But that's true in pretty much any
caliber cartridge. Try different ones. You know, we do that
for accuracy, but you also want to make sure it's
functioning correctly. That's especially true for semi ottos. You know,
do you have enough power to run the bolt, run
the slide? Is everything working like it should? Is it
feeding well? If you've got a problem, try different AMMO.
It is one variable that is easy to switch up
rather than trying to tune a gun or something. Sometimes
just switch of AMMO can make the difference. All right.
So the question on the floor is if you had
to name one gun that is America's gun, what would
it be. Also, always looking for the range of courts
and you know, I just want to know that you
go shooting on Independence Day and if so, I want
to hear that story as well. Eight six six Talk Gun.
We'll be right back with more gun talk.