1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty years of American liberty. Ruger's two 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,719 hundred and fiftieth anniversary series limited production firearms marked for 3 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:09,279 a milestone. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,599 Speaker 2: Moment in history. 5 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: On a piece of it, Well, you still can. 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 3: From the range to the field. CZ firearms are built 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,920 to perform when it counts. Known for accuracy, durability, and reliability. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,440 CZ stands apart. CZ built for those who demand more 9 00:00:25,839 --> 00:00:28,039 CZ Firearms dot Com. 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,399 Speaker 2: All right, that's quickly. Here is the course, the fourth 11 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:34,399 of July weekend, Independence Day weekend, and we're talking about 12 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:37,840 the Revolutionary War and how we got here through the 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,640 shot heard around the world, and a lot of people 14 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:43,280 want to talk about the guns of the revolution and 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,240 what happened there. All right, we're talking with Evan Brewed. 16 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,280 He is the executive editor of American riflem and at 17 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:53,159 the NRA. And Evan, you got a background in history 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,479 and journalism and you're a real fishonado of well Revolutionary 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,600 War and Civil War. You wrote a piece about or 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,840 started off with the movie the Patriots said, you know, 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,840 like typical movies, they get a lot of stuff wrong 22 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:10,359 in guns. What is it that we think we know 23 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:12,000 that isn't true about. 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 4: That well, you know, and I have to start with, 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,599 you know, giving my apologies to mel Gibson, because it 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,959 is really just a wonderfully entertaining film and you know, 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,719 I enjoyed a lot of people enjoy it. But when 28 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,879 you start looking at the details that the film conveys, 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,719 that's where things start to fall apart. And you know, 30 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:34,480 it kind of gives you this idea that fighting in 31 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:40,079 the American Revolution was you know, a lot more simplistic 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,640 than it actually was. You know, the British weren't just 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,519 these red coated automatons marching in a line, and you know, 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,480 the Americans weren't all, you know, hunting shirt clad snipers 35 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:52,799 operating from the woods either. 36 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,319 Speaker 2: Okay, so the British would line up, you know and 37 00:01:57,359 --> 00:01:59,480 shoot their muskets and we like to think that, yeah, 38 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:01,959 they did that because the guns weren't accurate, but you 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,599 made the point that they could actually shoot a lot 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,760 farther than we thought. And they were actually very professional armies. 41 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 4: They were, I mean, Great Britain had the professional army 42 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:16,639 of the middle of the eighteenth century. These were guys 43 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:21,319 who had fought in the seven years more, they'd fought 44 00:02:21,319 --> 00:02:24,319 in North America, before they had experience, and they did 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,680 learn from those experiences. Now, the British they actually trained 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,639 to see what the effectiveness of their regiment was at 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,960 distances that are a lot farther than we might imagine. 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,080 You know. They'd lay out strips of cloth at one 49 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,879 hundred and two hundred and three hundred yards and beyond 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,159 and fire volleys at them to see what kind of 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,159 hit rate they would get. And so they were exploring 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,919 some of the capabilities of these arms that went beyond 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,520 just individual marksmanship, because that really wasn't the priority at 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:02:59,879 the time. 55 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,759 Speaker 2: Was there a basic difference between what the colonists were 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,280 using and how they operated in the British. 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,759 Speaker 4: There were, absolutely, but you know a lot of it 58 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,680 once you get into the details. You know, the best answer, 59 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,360 best simple answer is it really depends. You know, the 60 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:21,520 American colonies were not this homogeneous set of people who 61 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:24,360 all use the same sort of arms. You know, in 62 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:30,479 New England a popular sort of civilian firearm was the Follower. 63 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:33,439 It was a smooth boar hunting arm, but it also 64 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:37,680 allowed them to do militia service as well because they 65 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:42,199 could load more rapidly. The other thing is, you know, 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,520 the American long rifle the quintessential American gun. Right, its 67 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,599 utility was really limited more to the mid Atlantic colonies. 68 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,520 It first emerges in southern Pennsylvania in the seventeen forties 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,680 and fifties, and then you see it spread into Maryland 70 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,159 and Virginia and the Carolinas. These were guys that were 71 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:07,319 operating on the frontier, and the long rifle really developed 72 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:11,199 to serve their needs. And so you know, in June 73 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,240 of seventeen seventy five, when the Continental Army is formed, 74 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,120 they raised ten companies of riflemen. But it's important to 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,800 remember none of these guys were actually there in the 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,120 Siege of Boston. They all had to come marching up 77 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,199 from Maryland and Virginia to join the fight. 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,639 Speaker 2: Sure, these are just folks living in their lives out there. 79 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,879 They weren't part of an organized military arm at all, 80 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:33,879 and they just had to show up with what they had, 81 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,360 or maybe even didn't have. 82 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: That's exactly right, And you know, in a lot of 83 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:39,920 cases it really was more a question of what they 84 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,800 didn't have, you know. And the run up to the 85 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:48,560 fighting around Boston in seventeen seventy five, you had the 86 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,519 so called committees of Safety right, and these were groups 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,879 of individuals that were looking to cobble together all the 88 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,439 things you need to sustain a fight army. And you know, 89 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,680 you have to remember too, just because a lot of 90 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,839 folks owned arms of this period doesn't mean all of 91 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:12,160 them were really perfectly adequate for you know, military use 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,920 or militia use. So that's where you start seeing the 93 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 rise of the you know, the Committee of Safety musket, 94 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:21,600 you know, these military arms that they're building clandestinely to 95 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,199 equip themselves for the coming war. 96 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: It is a fascinating area of study, and there are 97 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:33,680 people who keep this alive with reenactments and of course 98 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,600 the study and the museums we have. What's a good 99 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,600 way for people if they said, yeah, that's interesting, I 100 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,560 want to know more about that, how should people try 101 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:41,720 to research that? 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 4: Well, there's you know a lot of really dedicated groups 103 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,279 out there, you know, muzzle loading forums. There's some good 104 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:53,839 reproduction makers. David Petter Sally is a good one. Kibbler's 105 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:56,480 long Rifles. They make some good kids too. You know, 106 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,319 there's a there's a pretty solid growing market to get 107 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,639 involved in black powder shooting in general. And in fact, 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,720 we'll have an upcoming article in American Riflemen in our 109 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,879 September issue that lays out where people can find some 110 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:14,160 of these reproduction arms. 111 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:17,439 Speaker 2: Is there a reason for people now, with all our 112 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,319 modern firearms to know about and maybe even explore the 113 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,839 world of what we were shooting two hundred years ago? 114 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely there is. You know, one of the you know, 115 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:32,079 constant refrains that you hear among you people on the 116 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,560 gun control side of things, the people who want to 117 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,680 see more regulation of modern firearms is they'll say things like, 118 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,600 you know, the Founders could never have envisioned modern firearm technology, 119 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:47,879 or you know, the Second Amendment was written only for muskets. Right, Well, 120 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,240 you start exploring this world and you begin to realize 121 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:57,839 that it's a lot more rich and varied and interesting 122 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:01,000 than you know, many people might think it is. They 123 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,839 were experimenting with rifles, They had breech loading designs like 124 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,120 the Ferguson rifle of seventeen seventy six. They were employing 125 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,199 military rifles that went far beyond the capabilities of the 126 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,040 issue smooth or musket of the British Army. So, you know, 127 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:24,199 the founding fathers recognized that firearms could really be a 128 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:26,439 lot more than even what they were at the time, 129 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,759 and that it was a continuing evolution in capability, and 130 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:35,319 they made use of those new capabilities during the American Revolution. 131 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: Okay, gotta ask what was the puckle gun. 132 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:44,639 Speaker 4: The puckle gun, Yeah, that's an early form of breechloader 133 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:49,279 that you know, was a revolving kind of Gatling esque 134 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,319 style of breech loading firearm. But this is in the 135 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:57,000 days before the self contained cartridge, so they had to 136 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:00,199 kind of come up with these little containers that you know, 137 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,759 allowed them to sort of primitively contain cap and ball 138 00:08:04,199 --> 00:08:07,199 to create a firearm that could be fired more rapidly. 139 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:10,959 Speaker 2: But it was in fact a rapid firefirearm. For those 140 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,519 who say were the only the founders could never imagine, Yeah, 141 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,240 they could they hit a rapid fire gun. 142 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 4: They absolutely had rapid fire guns. And again, you know 143 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:21,800 I mentioned the Ferguson rifle. You know, Major Patrick Ferguson 144 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:25,360 was you know, in the British Army and he devised 145 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,680 this rapid fire breech loading infantry rifle that he used 146 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,080 during the conflict that allowed him to fire six well 147 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,799 aimed shots a minute. It was an ingenious design and 148 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,559 you know it just didn't see all that much use 149 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,720 during the Revolution, but it was used, and it was 150 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,840 used quite effectively. That's a guy that was you know, 151 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,600 he was almost a century ahead of his time, and 152 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,600 again just really limited by the powder of the time 153 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,960 and some of the manufacturing capabilities of the time. But 154 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,120 the idea was there, the thought process was there, and 155 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,480 how can we make these arms better and more effective? 156 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: And tikers have really focused on firearms throughout history, and 157 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:12,840 a lot of innovation, I mean, even to the point 158 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:15,320 of mass production came from the firearms world. 159 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely it did, you know. I mean the Charlotteville that 160 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,879 ended up becoming the primary arm of the Continental army 161 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:28,000 by war's end. That was the catalyst for a lot 162 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:32,879 of the early development in mass production. You had a 163 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,720 French gunsmith named Honore A Blanc who was working to 164 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:44,159 find expedient ways to mass produce guns. He was doing 165 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:47,600 this with the Model seventeen seventy seven, which was also 166 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,159 used by French troops, but it was used during the Revolution. 167 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,919 Speaker 2: Amazing stuff. Evan Burnan, thank you so much. I look 168 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:55,679 forward to reading the article. It comes down in the 169 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,519 September issue of American Riflemen. Keep up the good work. 170 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,519 You inform a lot of us and we love your 171 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:03,000 enthusiasm you bring to this. 172 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Tom. And you know folks want to 173 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:11,200 read the article, they can download the July issue at 174 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,399 the NRI app or checkout American Riflemen dot org. 175 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:17,399 Speaker 2: There you go, all right, take care and again, Happy 176 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:20,519 birthday to America and our independence of two hundred and 177 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:21,480 fifty years. 178 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 4: Happy two fiftieth yea, thanks Tom. 179 00:10:25,159 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty years of American liberty. Ruger is 180 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,480 honoring that milestone with firearms worthy of the moment. 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I went to a gun show 254 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,679 and I picked up a Schmidt Rubin MODDEL eighteen ninety 255 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,879 six eleven. It was made nineteen oh one. 256 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: What is that? 257 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,679 Speaker 9: It is a Swiss straight pole military rifle. 258 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:09,639 Speaker 2: Okay. 259 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 9: And I waited until now to fall in and talk 260 00:15:14,759 --> 00:15:17,600 about it because since it's chambered in seventy five by 261 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:21,639 fifty five Swiss today seventy five, So I'm trying to 262 00:15:21,679 --> 00:15:22,639 make a seventy five. 263 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: Day Why not? Right? I like it? So now I'm 264 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,120 kind of vaguely familiar with straight pull. This must have 265 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:33,919 been one of the early straight poll models. 266 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 10: Yeah. 267 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 9: It was made in nineteen oh one, and the cartridge 268 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,240 was developed by mister Ruben and the rifle was developed 269 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,960 by mister Schmidt. It's a thirty cow projectile, so I 270 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,279 can use my three white bullets in it. I usually 271 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,759 go about one sixty five. It pushes them out at 272 00:15:49,799 --> 00:15:53,039 about twenty three hundred to twenty seven hundred fixt per second. 273 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,919 Speaker 2: Okay. I want to ask you the question that I'm 274 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:58,879 sure you have heard many times from people when you 275 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:03,320 tell them about this rifle. Why why do you have it? 276 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,279 Why do you like it? 277 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,679 Speaker 9: I like things that are a little bit different, but 278 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,519 not completely entertainium when it comes to AMMO. You know, 279 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:17,120 I have a lot of older guns that you know, 280 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:21,559 shoot twenty two short. I got a Winchester pump action 281 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:25,120 twenty two gallery gun that was made in nineteen oh two. 282 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:28,120 But I can still get that AMMO really easily today. 283 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,679 You know, I've got to say AK and three eight 284 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:35,360 because I have three O eight and so I just 285 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,559 like I guess odd rifles in common rounds, I guess. 286 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:39,919 Speaker 10: Is what I like. 287 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't mind having weird as long as you 288 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:44,639 can feed it and shoot it. 289 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 9: It's right, That's right. 290 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's cool. What a neat idea. I love that. Well, look, 291 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,679 thank you, sir. That's I arranged a port. I didn't 292 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:55,480 know where we're going to beginning today, but I appreciate that. 293 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:59,279 I still grabbed Joel Online five out of New Jersey. 294 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,879 He's got a thought for us, Hey. 295 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 10: Joe, Tom. 296 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,559 Speaker 11: The gun that's the America's gun has to be the 297 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,799 lever action rifle invented here over one hundred and fifty 298 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,519 years ago and still being produced today in massive quantities. 299 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,519 Speaker 2: And maybe more now than ever, more and ever. 300 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 11: And I think if you showed a picture of a 301 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,480 lever action rifle to anybody in the world who knows 302 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:23,920 anything about a gun, and you say where was this 303 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,839 gun originated, they'd have to say America. 304 00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:31,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course people have seen them in Western movies, 305 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,279 you know, for one hundred years now, and so that 306 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,319 probably has a huge impact on awareness. So you would 307 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,160 put the lever action above. Oh, I don't know the 308 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:46,200 m one Carbean or the Grand or the nineteen eleven pistol. 309 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 11: In terms of being iconic. And again, it's got a 310 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,920 longer it's got a longer lifespan than any of those 311 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,960 some you know, because it was what eighteen seventy three 312 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,720 was the Winchester the gun that won the West. So 313 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:01,519 it's got a longer lifespan. It's more than more are 314 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:04,519 being produced today than every before. Anybody in the world 315 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:08,759 would recognize it as an American gun. The close runner 316 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:12,279 up would have to be the Thompson submachine gun, which 317 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:16,160 again is you know, recognizable as an American. 318 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: Icon right, right, So do you have a lever action? 319 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 10: Oh? Absolutely. 320 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,039 Speaker 11: I got a Marlon thirty thirty tome that I've had 321 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:25,279 for I bought it when I was eighteen years old, 322 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,720 and I've had it for over fifty years, So that 323 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:28,680 tells you how old I am. 324 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: Now, Wow, do you still shoot it? 325 00:18:31,799 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 11: Absolutely? 326 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:33,279 Speaker 2: Well? 327 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:33,559 Speaker 10: Yeah. 328 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,319 Speaker 2: And the weirdest thing. And we just take it for 329 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,839 granted that we can buy this gun, We'll shoot it 330 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,480 for fifty years and expect it to last another fifty years. 331 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 11: Oh absolutely, Tom, this that gun is. You know, if 332 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,880 I hand a team and say I bought it last year, 333 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,880 you'd have a hard time by looking at it, tell 334 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,599 me that I didn't. 335 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing stuff. 336 00:18:55,319 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 8: All right. 337 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: You know, I do not disagree with it. I want 338 00:18:58,039 --> 00:19:00,960 to leave the floor open for other nominations as we 339 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,799 get out here, but I appreciate that this is at 340 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,799 least one nomination for what we would call America's gun 341 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,559 on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country, 342 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,759 the lever Action. If you've got a thought on that, 343 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:14,319 give me a call an eight six y six talk 344 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:16,799 gun or Tom talk gun. All right, let me jump 345 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:24,880 back to where we are today, and that is the 346 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,359 US Supreme Court has agreed to take a case looking 347 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,839 at the bans on Air fifteen rifles. We've been trying 348 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,079 to get this before the United States Supreme Court for 349 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,079 many many years and they just agreed to take the case. 350 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,000 I mean like last week they said, yeah, we're going 351 00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:46,519 to accept this. We're going to grant cert so in 352 00:19:46,599 --> 00:19:51,400 its next session next year or later on this year, 353 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,920 actually they will hear the oil arguments. And then what 354 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,400 they did is they took there were several cases that 355 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,039 had been appealed to the Supreme Court from various states. 356 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:04,039 They took two of them and combined them. The primary 357 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:08,000 one is out of Cook County in Illinois. And of 358 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:12,680 course JP Pritzker, the governor, has said, oh, yeah, yeah, no, 359 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:17,160 it's perfectly constitutional to ban these guns. Well, no, it's not. 360 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:20,319 Almost every scholar who has looked at this, no matter 361 00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:23,160 which side of the issue they're on or said no, 362 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,960 according to Heller and Bruin, you cannot ban guns that 363 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,680 are in common use for lawful purposes. Well, the AR 364 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,359 fifteen is probably we don't know twenty million of them 365 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,160 out there. We do call that common. And are they 366 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,640 commonly used for lawful purposes? Yes, they are. In fact, 367 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,400 if you start looking at guns used in crime, rifles 368 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,119 are used in crime, like three percent of murders are 369 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,960 committed with rifles, and the AIR fifteen's is a subset 370 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:04,359 of rifles. Actually, the FBI more people are murdered with 371 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:10,359 fists and feet than they are with AR fifteens. And 372 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,960 yet none of that actually really matters, because the only 373 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,240 thing that really matters is is the AR fifteen. Is 374 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:19,880 this platform covered by the Second Amendment? Enter, Yes, it's 375 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,000 an arm? Okay, I can't say it's not an arm 376 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,319 because it is. And then step two is is there 377 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:34,279 a historical analog back to when the Second Amendment was 378 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:39,079 written to ban commonly owned guns? And there was not. 379 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,519 There's nothing like this in our nation's history. So the 380 00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:47,519 thinking right now is that the AR fifteen bans in 381 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,079 states like Virginia that just passed them, California that has them, Illinois, 382 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,640 on and on and on, several state, number of states 383 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:59,240 have these, they're all going to go down. It will 384 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,759 be perfectly go for people in those states. For you 385 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,720 to purchase and own and shoot an AR fifteen and 386 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:11,480 any number of other semi automatic firearms that are banned 387 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:15,200 by these unconstitutional laws. We're in a new place, we're 388 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,720 in a new time. I got some more thoughts on 389 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,119 that when we come back, but i'd love to get 390 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,160 your take if you're in one of these states where 391 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,640 you have not been able to have one? Are you 392 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,119 ready to buy an AR fifteen? Our number here is 393 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,079 Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun Talk. 394 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,480 All right, We're going to go straight to the phones, 395 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:42,480 and I got some thoughts here. Tim is online too 396 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,160 out of Georgetown, Ohio. Hey, Tim, you're on gun Talk. 397 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,880 What you got Hey? 398 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,799 Speaker 10: Great? Thanks Tom for taking my call. First of all, 399 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:51,720 I want to say thanks for everything you do for 400 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:55,680 the gun community and everything that you've done in the past. 401 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. 402 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:01,319 Speaker 10: But I've got a Stealth Arms Platypus that I ordered 403 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,559 some time ago, and I think it's probably an underrated 404 00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:08,799 gun as far as the twenty three to eleven style 405 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,160 guns go. I've had. I've probably got about thousand rounds 406 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,000 through it at this point. And the only failure I had, 407 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:22,000 and I'll kind of classify that as an operator error, 408 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,440 was the slide didn't lock back on my second magazine 409 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,920 through the gun, but I think that was due to 410 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,039 my finger placement. But it's just an accurate gun. It's fun. 411 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: It's Tim. Let me get you if you were I'm 412 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,319 a backup. Let's get you to explain to the listeners 413 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,640 what is the platypus O. 414 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:46,319 Speaker 10: I'm sorry. It's a It's a customizable, highly customizable twenty 415 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,799 three to eleven handgun, and the one I have takes 416 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,039 block magazines, and I just recently purchased the second one 417 00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:58,680 for my wife to keep her grubby hands off of mine, 418 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:04,079 and we got it compatible with the CI three twenty mags. 419 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,039 But you get on their website and you can build 420 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:12,119 this gun. I'll call it paint but so Sarah could finish. 421 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:14,480 But you can make it look just any way you 422 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:18,240 wanted to look. And beyond that, it's just real, accurate 423 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:21,559 and reliable as you can be. Just a lot of fun. 424 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: What was it that motivated you to choose that? I mean, 425 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,599 there are a lot of double stacked ninety eleven pistols 426 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:28,839 out there. Why did you go that way? 427 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,039 Speaker 10: Well, I guess because of the unique uniqueness of the look. 428 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:39,960 I didn't want the typical black gun. But I also 429 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000 didn't want it to look like a toy. You know, 430 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,640 that was important to us. We didn't want to build 431 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,319 it and make it look all toys looking with sure 432 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,359 you know all the colors, and run that risk. But yeah, 433 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:54,240 just just that fact. My wife loves that kind of stuff. 434 00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:56,279 So she was a big part of it. And like 435 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,559 I mentioned, she's got her own now. So yeah, it's 436 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,039 just one of those things. I got the twenty three 437 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:04,000 eleven bug about a year and a half ago, and 438 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:05,880 that was the first one I got. 439 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: So what do you do? Are you shooting competition with them? 440 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,359 Or these your carry guns? Home defense? 441 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,759 Speaker 10: What's the deal the home defense and just a arranged toy? 442 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't compete, but. 443 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 10: It's just just keep them by my bed every night. 444 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:24,799 And now my wife has one on hers as well 445 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,759 as Okay, I've got red dot on it. 446 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,519 Speaker 2: Okay, that's where I was going, optics over ironsight. I 447 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,640 was assuming optics because when you go that level of pistol, 448 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,279 you're probably going to drop an optic on it. 449 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, and then again it's it's one of the things 450 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,640 you can customize it or have it built to accept 451 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,359 virtually any any red dot you want in this direct 452 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,640 mount without any plate. I've been shooting them, like I said, 453 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,759 for over a year now, and I've had no issues 454 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,519 with the optic come and loose or anything that. 455 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,519 Speaker 2: Great we have we have such wonderful guns being made now, 456 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,880 high level gun now a lot of them are not 457 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:05,319 like bargain basement guns, but you sure are getting a 458 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:07,079 lot of quality. 459 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,599 Speaker 10: Absolutely, absolutely, and so I've got the bug this That 460 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:14,880 was my first twenty three eleven or twenty eleven double stack. 461 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,440 I'm not sure how you classify them, but I don't know. 462 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,759 Speaker 2: I just call them all nineteen elevens or double stack's. 463 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 10: That's probably a better better description. I've got to see 464 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,640 GT four, the P two eleven GT four right, Haven't 465 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,119 that it quite as long? But I really love that gun. 466 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,279 It shoots, It shoots well too, just a little on 467 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:38,359 the heavy side. 468 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: Carry, but it makes it fun to shoot, doesn't it. 469 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:46,519 Speaker 10: Absolutely you can't even tell you fired, and it stays flat. 470 00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: They're so flat it's incredible. Well, I appreciate great range support, Tim, 471 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,000 Thank you for the call, sir. Look at the kind 472 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,279 of talking about where we are today with the Supreme 473 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:02,000 Court finally, finally, finally taking the AR fifteen band cases 474 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,240 are There are a dozen states that ban ownership of 475 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,839 AAR fifteen's, are selling them or buying them. Some of 476 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,599 them say you can still on them at your grandfather. 477 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:19,680 It occurred to me that not everybody knows because I've 478 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,240 been at this for so long, I just kind of 479 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,920 know this stuff, where the term assault weapon came from, 480 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,640 and where the idea came from to try to get 481 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,359 these things banned, and I was just looking at this thing. 482 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,359 I'm I'm just going to read this that I found. 483 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,759 It's from a really good article some background. I just 484 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,039 posted this on x if you want more detail on 485 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,559 how the bands started, where they came from, what the 486 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:46,519 thinking was behind them. Josh Sugarman was the founder and 487 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:50,720 executive director of the Violence Policy Center. He laid out 488 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:56,359 the strategy of misdirection and obfuscation in a nineteen eighty 489 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,720 eight report called quote Assault Weapons and Accessories in America. 490 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,880 I hope you heard that. This is nineteen eighty eight. 491 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,799 Sugarman observed that quote the weapons menacing looks coupled with 492 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:18,039 the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi 493 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:24,039 automatic assault weapons dash anything that looks like a machine 494 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:27,359 gun is assumed to be a machine gun, can only 495 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,640 increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. 496 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,039 So Josh Sugarman, founder of the Violence Policy Center, a 497 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:40,319 gun band group, he said at the time in nineteen 498 00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:42,079 eighty eight, and this is the basis for all of 499 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:45,559 these laws, the basis for this entire movement. He said, 500 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,000 the public doesn't know the difference between a machine gun 501 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,599 and a semiato. They look the same. We can use 502 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:59,000 that confusion to misdirect, to lie, and tell them that 503 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,160 these are machine guns and get these semi automatic firearms banned. 504 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,160 Well did it work? Yes, it did. When we had 505 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,240 the nineteen ninety four Clinton gun Band, also known as 506 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:16,759 the Federal Assault Weapon Ban. Running up to that, I 507 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,000 remember ceing them run every time they would run stories 508 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:26,200 about the bill to ban assault weapons, they showed file 509 00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:31,599 video of full automatic firearms. I pointed out to them 510 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,720 this mistake others. Did they knew the difference. It was 511 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,480 not a mistake where they, oh, yeah, well they're running 512 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,279 video of machine guns. They just don't know the difference. Yes, 513 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:47,920 they did. They do exactly what the difference was. They 514 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:54,039 did it fully intending to mislead the public, and it 515 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:58,400 worked for many many years. Maybe not quite so much now, 516 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,480 but for many years. You ask anybody what these assault 517 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000 weapons were that were being banned, they was say, machine guns. 518 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,440 They just assumed because they've been told and been shown 519 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680 in video that these were in fact full auto guns. 520 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,039 They were machine guns. Now you may say, well, you 521 00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,240 shouldn't ban machine guns either. Well, I get it, I 522 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,839 understand it, and I would agree with you. But to 523 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,920 the public, they're not ready for that. They weren't there, 524 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,359 they're not now. So Josh Sugarman said back in eighty eight, Hey, 525 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,640 the public doesn't think you should be able to own 526 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,960 a machine gun. So let's convince them that these semi 527 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,319 autos are actually machine guns. And that has been the 528 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:44,240 plan since nineteen eighty eight. And now finally the Supreme 529 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:48,960 Court has taken a case on these gun bands, and 530 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,799 the prediction is that we're going to win it. They're 531 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:57,400 going to rule these bands unconstitutional. The wild card is 532 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,799 going to be how narrowly or how widely they will 533 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,880 write the opinion. Generally speaking, they write them more narrowly 534 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,759 than we would like. We'll see what happens, but it's 535 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,440 going to be fascinating to watch that whole thing. Let's 536 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,640 go grab John online three out of Dallas, Texas. Hey, John, 537 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,519 you're on gun Talk. What's up? Maybe? Hey John? You there? 538 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,359 Speaker 4: Uh? 539 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: Oh? John put his phone down. He took another call. 540 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,119 He's got a sandwich. Well, we're pulling back at some 541 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,720 point the question on the floor. Since we're doing our 542 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720 two hundred and fiftieth birthday for the United States of America, 543 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,440 what gun or platform would you nominate to be called 544 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:47,200 America's gun? Just curious. I also had a weird thought this 545 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,160 morning because I decided that for in Dependence Day weekend, 546 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,039 what am I going to wear during the show? Yeah? No, 547 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,759 not close. We're gun. Well for me, it's this is 548 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:03,519 gonna be easy. So I put on a full size 549 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,960 five inch forty five ACP nineteen eleven single stack John M. 550 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:16,000 Browning's specialty, this one with a gold bead front sight. 551 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,119 Oh and by the way, don't confuse that because people 552 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,880 say brass bead not the same. A brass bead is 553 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,160 not a gold bead. Richard Heine Heinegun Sights makes a 554 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:32,839 gold bead. It is actual gold. It's fourteen carrot plated gold. 555 00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,000 And it shines like somebody said, yeah, that's an early 556 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,240 model night sighte. Yeah, it is kind of. And I 557 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,799 love the way they look. And I have brass front 558 00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:46,000 sights and they don't shine the same way. So if 559 00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,559 you had ever considered, say I want to do something 560 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,920 to my gun, yeah, you always put new grips. You 561 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,599 can do this to that. But if you want to 562 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,839 make it maybe more shootable, something you really like. And 563 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,480 let me tell you, at the range it glows like 564 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,119 crazy gold bead front site, the Hindi gold Bead front 565 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,880 site I really like. So anyway, I put on the 566 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000 full sized nineteen level. That's where I got on today. 567 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,400 And then I had this weird thought. You know how 568 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,640 when they have the red carpet where there's Academy Awards 569 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640 whatever it is, people are going by and the media 570 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,640 is there there. They've got these models and actresses and 571 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,519 all walking by in their gowns and the media will 572 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,599 yell out who are you wearing. I'm thinking with our 573 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,799 crew would be like, well, I'm wearing John M. Browning. 574 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:38,200 Or I'm wearing you know, fashion by Gaston Glock that 575 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:43,319 is of course. Or I'm wearing a Belgian special yeah 576 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,759 you know from FN Yeah, okay, a high power whatever. 577 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,920 I don't know. It's just the weird way my strange 578 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,880 brain works sometimes. So I gotta tell you. So, we 579 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,440 have these cases going to the Supreme Court. We just won. 580 00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,880 In case you weren't paying attention over the last few weeks, 581 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,480 we just want two major Second Amendment cases at the 582 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,639 Supreme Court, the Hawaii case on them basically banning constio 583 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,360 carry everywhere unless all I pushed up a science says 584 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,920 concil carry welcome. And then we had the uh Hamani case, 585 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,719 and then we had Walford case, two major cases out 586 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,840 of the Supreme Court with them basically saying yeah, we're 587 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,039 gonna do some more. And then just like a very 588 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,199 few days later, they announced we're going to take an 589 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,880 AR fifteen case again, taking two of those cases and 590 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:39,159 combining them. It's a different time. And let me just 591 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,360 say this for all those to keep saying, yeah, he 592 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,360 hasn't really done anything for us. This is Donald Trump. 593 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,519 The Department of Justice right now has a Second Amendment 594 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,559 section headed up by Harmeyt Dylon. She has filed suit 595 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,840 against Virginia for their here fIF team band. She has 596 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,360 file suit against California. She has file suit against sheriff's 597 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,800 departments who delay issuing cosio carry permits. We got the 598 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,039 United States Department of Justice, we've got a new head 599 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:20,360 of the ATF, we've got a new Attorney General, and 600 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,440 all of them are pro gun, pro Second Amendment. Are 601 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,320 they everything you want? Of course? Not this is a 602 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,880 real world. This is real life, you know? Was it? 603 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,239 Mick Jagger, the famous philosopher, He said, you can't always 604 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,039 get what you want, but if you try, you might 605 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,840 get what you need. And I think that's kind of 606 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:44,639 where we are. Fifty years ago. After following the paste 607 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,639 even of the nineteen sixty eight Gun Control Act, and 608 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,079 then the Brady Bill and then the Clinton gun ban, 609 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:54,719 this so called assault weapon ban, it was going only 610 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,400 one way. It was going downhill. And I was looking 611 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,840 at that back then and thinking, I don't know how 612 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,159 long we're going to be able to hold on to 613 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,400 gun rights at all. It's just all going downhill. And 614 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,039 we had a Supreme Court that was wildly liberal and 615 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,800 ruling things to be constitutional which current or obviously were not. 616 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,880 And I just didn't know how we're going to get 617 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,519 out of it. And it's interesting how you get these 618 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,800 unintended consequences. And because of all of that, and then 619 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,880 all that was going on and the excesses in clamping 620 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,480 down on our constitutional rights, we ended up with a 621 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:33,159 stronger NRA and Second Amendment Foundation in fires Policics Center 622 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,639 and Gun Owners of America and other groups that all 623 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,280 now have come together and working together in concert, pooling 624 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,760 their resources and getting more done. Michael Bluemberg dropped millions, 625 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,800 hundreds of millions of dollars into gun control, and we said, 626 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,159 we don't have that kind of money, but we can 627 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,880 work together and we'll get this work done. And that's 628 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,639 being done right now. It's a different time, and I 629 00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,360 have to admit I there were times when I just 630 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,519 did not know if whatever ever get to this point 631 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,079 where we would be getting positive decisions out of the 632 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:15,679 US Supreme Court blocking gun bands, blocking these bands on 633 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,599 concealed carry, you know, And no, we never get the 634 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:25,159 decision we really want, but we get good ones. You've 635 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,079 got to be able to accept the good and say, well, 636 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,400 you know, I didn't get perfect, but I got good. 637 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,320 This was pretty good this time. And then what do 638 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,199 you do? You say, well, okay, that was good. We're 639 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,000 going to go home, and no, this just means we're 640 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,199 gonna turn around and go get more. Give me some now, 641 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,000 and I'll go back and get more later. That's the plan. 642 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,119 That's what we do. It's as simple as that, but 643 00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:51,679 it's also as difficult as that. And the reality, I 644 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:53,719 guess the thing I would like to point out to everybody, 645 00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,519 because I've been doing this for more than fifty years. 646 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,960 Anybody starts right now, we'll be doing it for more 647 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,639 than fifty years because the gun banners will never cease. 648 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,719 Trust me on this. Once we get rid of the 649 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,519 bands on air fifteens and they realize that their multi 650 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,519 decade effort to try to get those guns banned is dead, 651 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,079 it's not going to happen. They will go back to 652 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:24,599 where they were fifty years ago. They were trying to 653 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:29,039 get handguns banned. The idea was to bang and look. 654 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,159 Way back then, more than fifty percent of the people 655 00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:36,320 in America supported the ban on handguns. Not only do 656 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,599 I say they're going to return to that, they already have. 657 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,360 We already have bands passed on glock and glock clones 658 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,519 in more than one state. Those are going to end 659 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,000 up falling, and the Department Justices already sued on those 660 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:56,800 as well. But the gun ban industry is already making 661 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,079 their shift, going back to their area plan of trying 662 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,519 to ban handguns. You know, they're not going to be 663 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,880 able to get that done either in light of Heller 664 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,599 and Bruin and McDonald and the other decisions, but it 665 00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,039 is where they are. And my point here is that 666 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,000 we can never give up, and we can never rest, 667 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,960 we can never say we won, because this battle will 668 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:31,920 go on forever. All right. Thanks to the modern the 669 00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,679 modern miracle, if you will, of technology, we're able to 670 00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,719 get John back in here out of Dallas, Texas. Say John, 671 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,920 you got to range support for us? 672 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 8: Yes, sir, thanks for having me again on again. 673 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:44,559 Speaker 2: Hey job. 674 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:47,559 Speaker 8: So, if you recall I kind of complained about that 675 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,079 HSM five hundred magnum AMO kind of be on the 676 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:55,000 weaker side of felt recoil. Well, I got my uh, 677 00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,199 I got my wish with this new double tap M 678 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:03,599 four and forty hard cast bullet traveling at eighteen hundred 679 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:07,119 foot per second, and oh boy, it was a handful, 680 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,719 but I learned a valuable lesson. That was my point 681 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,400 of the phone call is you got to test your AMMO. 682 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,199 So after I shot a cylinder, I could not eject 683 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,760 the brass. 684 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,519 Speaker 10: It was just hard stuck. 685 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 8: And if I had to reload in the inventor emergency, 686 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,960 oh boy, I'd be in trouble. So everybody out there 687 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,239 listening about what their carry AMO, test your carry ammo 688 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:30,880 regardless of the situation. 689 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point because we go out and 690 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,119 we shoot cheap practice amo a lot, and then we 691 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,679 go buy the good defensive AMMO and we put in 692 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,280 our guns and we said, well, I'm not going to 693 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,360 shoot that stuff. It's expensive. But you make an excellent point. 694 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,920 How do you know it's actually going to function in 695 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,679 your gun if you want to at least shoot some 696 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,599 rounds through it. 697 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 8: That's exactly it. And I'll be honest with John. I Tom, 698 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,639 I am a revolver guy. I shoot three fifty seven 699 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,559 magnum forty four magnum fifty AE and Desert Eagle in 700 00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,519 five hundred. First time I've had brass stuck and I 701 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,800 wanted to pick your brain. 702 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:03,519 Speaker 1: Is that? 703 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 8: Is that a danger of over pressure because there's just 704 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,679 so much pressure expanding on the brass. You think I 705 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:10,679 need to be careful with that. 706 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,639 Speaker 2: There could be a couple of things going on. Could 707 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,159 be the type of brass being used, It could be 708 00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:21,960 a little stickier. It also obviously can be higher pressure 709 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,960 and double tap AMMO. I think Mike loads this stuff 710 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:26,840 right up to the limit. A lot of companies that 711 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,840 are back in theirs off from the Sammy specs, but 712 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,320 I think Mike to get all the velocity can get 713 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,360 out of it. At double tap. He loads them right 714 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,480 up to the limit safe limit. But it is, you know, 715 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,360 right there at the top level and in some guns 716 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,000 and some chambers, and it may turn out what you 717 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,480 need to do. And just throwing ideas out here, you 718 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:51,280 might even consider polishing the chambers of your revolver, just 719 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,320 to make them a little slicker and to help with extraction. Yep. 720 00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, and I've done that. I'm shooting hard task lists 721 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,280 and I swapped the I swap it with a board 722 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,840 brush after each rain session. But yeah, that's a good point. 723 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,599 Maybe I shall shall polish it. But the brass, it's 724 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:11,199 starline brass. 725 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 10: Each brass looks okay. 726 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 8: It's just man, I was surprised that it just would 727 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,400 not eject. 728 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,559 Speaker 10: But lesson learned. 729 00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 2: Yep, there you go. Well, thanks for passing that along. 730 00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,199 It's good information. Yeah. Look, guys, if you run into 731 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,000 something like that and you got a particular batch of 732 00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,039 AMMO that and the thing is, you know what, that 733 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:33,280 may be sticky and John's revolver and in somebody else's revolver, 734 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,679 same cartridge, same chambering, it may not be sticky. There 735 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,039 just depends on the gun. But if you find a 736 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,800 badge like that and it's a show some kind of 737 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,679 an issue in your gun, I'm tempted to say, just look, 738 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,800 sell to somebody else. Maybe it works in their gun better. 739 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:53,760 You may not want to keep shooting in your gun. 740 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,400 It may it may not be worth it. It's one 741 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,000 of the reasons we try different AMMO and we always 742 00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,079 talk about twenty two Rimpire. You definitely have to try 743 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,199 different types of AMMO, different brands, just to find out 744 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:09,360 what works best. But that's true in pretty much any 745 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,840 caliber cartridge. Try different ones. You know, we do that 746 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,639 for accuracy, but you also want to make sure it's 747 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,320 functioning correctly. That's especially true for semi ottos. You know, 748 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,320 do you have enough power to run the bolt, run 749 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,800 the slide? Is everything working like it should? Is it 750 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,079 feeding well? If you've got a problem, try different AMMO. 751 00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:34,840 It is one variable that is easy to switch up 752 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,880 rather than trying to tune a gun or something. Sometimes 753 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:41,199 just switch of AMMO can make the difference. All right. 754 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,920 So the question on the floor is if you had 755 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,599 to name one gun that is America's gun, what would 756 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:48,159 it be. Also, always looking for the range of courts 757 00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:50,320 and you know, I just want to know that you 758 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,559 go shooting on Independence Day and if so, I want 759 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,199 to hear that story as well. Eight six six Talk Gun. 760 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,320 We'll be right back with more gun talk.