Speaker 1: Which fantasy stud coming off an injury needs to be
Speaker 1: known on your radar right now after good news this week?
Speaker 2: Is there another.
Speaker 1: Lesser heralded NFC East receiver that needs to be smashed
Speaker 1: late in FFPC Big Gorilla Drafts? And who are the
Speaker 1: forty two Joes that will represent the FFPC in the
Speaker 1: annual Pros Versus Joe's competition this season? Plus twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two FFPC Pros Versus Joe's third place team owners Christian
Speaker 1: Helmer's and John Hurd will drop in to talk Brenton Strange,
Speaker 1: Zach Charbonnet, and so much more. We've got a great
Speaker 1: show for you. Farrell Elliott is here. I'm Eric Balkman.
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Speaker 1: Tonight show, We're going to discuss some injury news about
Speaker 1: one breakout wide receiver, will reveal the twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: roster of Joe's competing in the twenty twenty six f
Speaker 1: FPC Pros Versus Joe's Challenge, and then the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two f f PC Pros versus Joe's third place overall finishers.
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Speaker 1: Before we can get to what's coming up next week,
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Speaker 1: I'm bringing my co host to help me out with that.
Speaker 1: The incomparable Definitive Commissioner of Fantasy Football. You find him
Speaker 1: at kfffc dot com. He is Farrell Elliott. How was
Speaker 1: Sin City last week? My friend?
Speaker 2: Well, well, then there were no sins made because I
Speaker 2: was just working. That was working so hard, and I
Speaker 2: really really loved it, and I really hated missing the show.
Speaker 2: But you know what, you had a great show. I
Speaker 2: watched it on demand and you and it was really good.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I better get back here and
Speaker 2: redeem my territory or I may find that, you know,
Speaker 2: I may continue to be all those accolades as you
Speaker 2: give me being the definitive Commissioner, but I might be
Speaker 2: definitively out of a spot on Wednesday night. So I'm
Speaker 2: back here. And speaking of that, Bill Hollywood says that
Speaker 2: this is ground Hog's Day, I think plural, meaning that
Speaker 2: there's two hogs. I'm trying to understand what he's saying there.
Speaker 2: You know, Oinker took exception to it immediately, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just, yeah, I wonder what he's talking about. Another
Speaker 2: guy said, it's Christmas like Christmas easy. You think you're
Speaker 2: talking about some of the things that are gonna happen tonight.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean it could be.
Speaker 1: I know everybody's excited to find out if there's gonna
Speaker 1: be one of the forty two jos. Technically there can
Speaker 1: only be one of the forty one jos because the
Speaker 1: guy who co hosted with me last week, Fred Hogg,
Speaker 1: is the first.
Speaker 2: Joe who got in the bread Bread.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we know that there's gonna be forty one names.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna list off here in just a few minutes,
Speaker 1: so hopefully everybody will we'll stick around for that. I
Speaker 1: do want to get some fantasy football stuff, Ferrel before
Speaker 1: we get to that, and then we get Helmer's coming
Speaker 1: up little bit as well. All right, let's kick things
Speaker 1: off tonight and talk about Teteroa McMillan. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: just me. You know, there's not a ton of news
Speaker 1: coming out right now, Farrell, and and maybe this is
Speaker 1: just me. Over hyping this a little bit or not
Speaker 1: hyping it, but like being overly concerned. He's got some
Speaker 1: foot sore oness. He says he hopes to be ready
Speaker 1: for training camp. This, according to Mike k Now, mc
Speaker 1: millan has practiced some in OTAs. He's also set out
Speaker 1: a lot of OTAs as well. He told reporters that
Speaker 1: he feels good even though he missed today's practice. He
Speaker 1: remember at the end of last season he was playing
Speaker 1: through a foot injury. In twenty twenty five, he didn't
Speaker 1: miss any you know, time on the field. He played
Speaker 1: in every game because he didn't miss any time because
Speaker 1: of the of the foot injury. But the fact that
Speaker 1: that was December or early January or whatever it was
Speaker 1: when the Panthers were in the playoffs, and it's still
Speaker 1: bothering him, Pharrell, make me nervous, man. And this is
Speaker 1: an observer that you know, being having good footwork and
Speaker 1: being able to plant and cut to get in and
Speaker 1: out of his brakes, that's key. Are you concerned at
Speaker 1: all about foot soreness here in June, basically six months
Speaker 1: later from at least five months later from when he
Speaker 1: was feeling this.
Speaker 2: They just may be their excuse for keeping him on
Speaker 2: the sidelines and letting him take a slower movement into camp. Yes,
Speaker 2: of course, this is an elite player seventy catches, seven touchdowns,
Speaker 2: thousand plus yards. He's just beginning a career. Anytime in boky,
Speaker 2: you know, when your feed urge, you hurt all over,
Speaker 2: you know, you just it's just there's there's bad things
Speaker 2: that can come from that. No, I'm not particularly concerned
Speaker 2: because I believe in the health and wellness of the
Speaker 2: training crew from the NFL, and you know, they'll get
Speaker 2: him right if they If they had any thoughts that
Speaker 2: he wasn't danger in himself by being on the field,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have him out there, even in the limited
Speaker 2: way he is. Yeah, and that's a good point.
Speaker 1: You know, if they were concerned about this, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing anything at Oates's to her point Pharaoh right now.
Speaker 1: According to fantasymojo dot com. At Fantasy Mojo on x
Speaker 1: derren Armani the godfather of the pros versus Joe's competition.
Speaker 1: Anytime we cite ADP on this show, it's all due
Speaker 1: to his website fantasymojo dot com. If you play in
Speaker 1: the f FPC. You yourself a favor, get a subscription
Speaker 1: there and enhance your f FPC experience experience. Ted Rowan
Speaker 1: McMillan in The Big Gorilla over the last five days
Speaker 1: as wide receiver seventeen. At the four h five, it's
Speaker 1: between He's going between Garrett Wilson and Zay Flowers. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm fine at that price despite the foot soreess.
Speaker 1: I think you talked me off the ledge, which is
Speaker 1: why having you on this show for sure you you
Speaker 1: can wax poetic on this next one too. This is
Speaker 1: right in my backyard in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Tucker Kraft
Speaker 1: told reporters today that he expects to play Week one
Speaker 1: with no pitch count.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get on my soapbox here a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's playing with a pitch count in
Speaker 1: Week one because we play football. I ain't throwing any
Speaker 1: pitches out there.
Speaker 2: It's snapcount, thank you for it. Irritates the heck out
Speaker 2: of me. It is. People call it a pitch count.
Speaker 1: It is a snapout in football anyway. Rant Over Ryan
Speaker 1: Wood reporting this for Packers dot Com, Kraft said he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be getting on the pup list to begin
Speaker 1: training camp, but he's said that he's going to use
Speaker 1: that time to get his conditioning right and get ready
Speaker 1: for Week one, coming off the Week nine ACL tear
Speaker 1: last year. Now I have concerns about Craft. And this
Speaker 1: is not necessarily like I'm feeling better about the injury.
Speaker 1: But I had Chris Weck from Fantasy Points on Insider
Speaker 1: Access last week and he talked about, you know, forget
Speaker 1: about the knee injury, think about how hyper efficient this
Speaker 1: guy was last year and how hot he ran. Can
Speaker 1: we really be expected to see that again this year
Speaker 1: now with Christian Watson and Jaden Reid healthy. You know,
Speaker 1: crafted so much of his damage last year when Watson
Speaker 1: and Reid were off the field. And how are FFPC
Speaker 1: players drafting Tucker Craft right now?
Speaker 2: They're drafting him.
Speaker 1: Near the ceiling Farrell, He is going off the board
Speaker 1: right now. Craft tight end seven at the six oh four.
Speaker 1: He's just behind Kyle Pitts, He's just ahead of Sam Laporta.
Speaker 1: He's within knocking distance of being tight end five, just
Speaker 1: a few picks behind Harold Fannin. I'm starting to get
Speaker 1: worried that if you draft Craft that high, it's fine
Speaker 1: if he's producing the way that he was or close
Speaker 1: to what he was last year. Don't know if that's
Speaker 1: going to be the case with Reid and Watson healthy.
Speaker 2: Though, you know one of the one of the who
Speaker 2: is it whole? Into this whole NFC North is fun
Speaker 2: to draft Sean Greeney, and you know Greeney is right
Speaker 2: about that. That's a situation where you see a lot
Speaker 2: of points, you see a lot of potential, and you
Speaker 2: see the teams and players. You're familiar with the teams
Speaker 2: and players you opened up, and you do not live
Speaker 2: in fear bulky. So I do not want you to worry.
Speaker 2: But I think this is as high as Craft goes
Speaker 2: in the draft. I think it really is. Is this
Speaker 2: is you know, he's at his upper ceiling right now.
Speaker 2: You have thirty two catches about five hundred yards six
Speaker 2: tds in eight games. Now, this is if you can
Speaker 2: keep these three receivers healthy and these three receivers on
Speaker 2: the field at the same time all together, who did
Speaker 2: they lose? Dubs is gone Watson. Watson is my guy
Speaker 2: in this group, but I can make an argument for
Speaker 2: the other players as well. I think, in much the
Speaker 2: same way that we talked about Jacksonville two weeks ago
Speaker 2: that the conversation that we need to take from this
Speaker 2: goes to the quarterback. I very very much like what
Speaker 2: the quarterback can do. The quarterback twenty three tds last
Speaker 2: year with only six picks. One of his quarterback rating
Speaker 2: was way up in the league amongst the starters. I really,
Speaker 2: I really think that, I really think that if you
Speaker 2: want to get involved with the Packers, you can look
Speaker 2: at the quarterback and get him at a bargain price.
Speaker 2: What would our man tell us about that? The mojo
Speaker 2: on What did mojo have to say about that?
Speaker 1: Armani's mojo has love a quarterback twenty right now.
Speaker 2: And it's just free. And so if you like Craft
Speaker 2: that much to draft him his seven, then God knows
Speaker 2: everybody likes Watson and the two other receivers are open
Speaker 2: to debate. I probably like Read best amongst them. But
Speaker 2: any way you look at it, if these guys are
Speaker 2: going to be that successful draft picks, why aren't you
Speaker 2: drafting Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: It's a great point, and considering this nebulous situation we
Speaker 1: have with Josh Jacobs going on right now, Love still
Speaker 1: hasn't risen up to you know, past Mayfield, past Shook,
Speaker 1: you know, players like this.
Speaker 2: He's still down there, so I think he's a value
Speaker 2: right now. I think you're nineteen touchdown passes by Love
Speaker 2: to the receiving cord, the outside wide receivers last year.
Speaker 2: It's a great number.
Speaker 1: I I we're minutes away from announcing the Joe's roster,
Speaker 1: maybe just a minute, So I want to get to
Speaker 1: one more thing here, Ferrell before we get to that.
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce is saying that he could return late in
Speaker 1: Colts training camp.
Speaker 2: Mike Chapel or Chappelle, I'm not sure how to pronounced.
Speaker 1: Apologies to you, Mike, who covers the Colts report of
Speaker 1: this today. He had ankle surgery in late April.
Speaker 2: Pierce did. He waited on it.
Speaker 1: He talked to some doctors and they said you should
Speaker 1: probably have the surgery. It's a four to six month
Speaker 1: recovery and he had this surgery in April. We don't
Speaker 1: know if this dude's going to be active for week
Speaker 1: one at this point, when you consider that Michael Pittman's gone,
Speaker 1: that Pierce. The Colts were expecting big things from Pierce
Speaker 1: this year, and now I wonder if Pierce is being
Speaker 1: overdrafted and guys like Tyler Warren and Josh Downs should
Speaker 1: be moved up because I'm a little bit nervous about
Speaker 1: Pierce not only not starting the season on time, but
Speaker 1: maybe you know, having a slow start to the season
Speaker 1: that maybe goes into October while he kind of gets
Speaker 1: up into football ship because he'll missing training camp. I
Speaker 1: think I'm off Alec Pierce and I gotta be you know,
Speaker 1: on Downs and Warren at this point, and maybe Ady
Speaker 1: Mitchell is or not Adie Mitchell. Uh oh god, I
Speaker 1: gotta bring up my cold step chart. The other the
Speaker 1: other receiver there in Indianapolis not Downs and obviously warns
Speaker 1: the tight end the other. I know they drafted Dion Burks.
Speaker 1: It's a westbrookikini late in in basketball. You can look
Speaker 1: at that guy as well. So I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of down about Alec Pierce after after reading
Speaker 1: this today from from Mike Chappel, I would.
Speaker 2: Encourage everyone in the league to get down on him
Speaker 2: where I can continue draft from him and drafting late. Now.
Speaker 2: This player is who they want to target. He's the
Speaker 2: guy that's going to carry Jones. That's that's what it's
Speaker 2: all about. This is a great downfield pass catcher, but
Speaker 2: you're a right bulky. He's got to get downfield. He's
Speaker 2: unquietionable that he can do so many things what you're
Speaker 2: looking at as a receiver to be successful. He high
Speaker 2: points the ball, he wins the contested catches ses, he's
Speaker 2: glued to the deep pass. He's everything you want in
Speaker 2: a downfield receiver. This is the most disturbing news that
Speaker 2: anyone who's been drafting early should have, because if you
Speaker 2: drafted this guy, you believe in this guy. You drafted
Speaker 2: doing for a reason. You just didn't throw out a
Speaker 2: pick out there. A lot of the people are you know,
Speaker 2: good about Downs? And yeah, Downs is a good little receiver,
Speaker 2: good little complimentary receivers. It's not the kind of player
Speaker 2: that this guy is. There's no player that I'm rooting
Speaker 2: for more to return in full health because I'm really
Speaker 2: anxious to see what he's what he could do. And
Speaker 2: you know how much I love Pittman. I love the
Speaker 2: new location for Pittman. But Pittman leaving opens up a
Speaker 2: world of possibilities for this player. So I hope he
Speaker 2: heals very aggressively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have I have some alec Pierce. I
Speaker 1: was drafting him early because I thought I was getting
Speaker 1: a deal on him, and now I'm kind of a
Speaker 1: little nervous that wide receiver depth behind him in September.
Speaker 1: At least the buys don't start till week five.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's still a little still a little uh nerve wracking.
Speaker 2: Okay, we have Ak's got a question as we'll go
Speaker 2: ahead and answer that. Don't don't don't rewind Frankie.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's what I'm postrank Frankie said, just getting
Speaker 1: off work.
Speaker 2: Do I need to start from the beginning.
Speaker 1: To see pros Versus Joe's or is that coming later?
Speaker 2: Still I'm glad you put the word work in there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crucial otherwise we'll be demonetized by by YouTube. Scott
Speaker 1: Kobe is going to be joining us on Friday for
Speaker 1: extra reps, says, I'm about to announce him, and that's it.
Speaker 1: It is time to announce twenty twenty six roster for
Speaker 1: the f FPC Pros Versus Joe's. As a reminder, the
Speaker 1: names I'm about to mention all had their main event
Speaker 1: teams in by and paid in full by May thirty
Speaker 1: first the early bird deadline, they got entered into the drawing.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the support for everybody supporting
Speaker 1: the FFPC Main Event this year. It's a ton of
Speaker 1: entries and we had to narrow it down to forty two.
Speaker 1: Each one of these teams or players I should mention,
Speaker 1: will have the opportunity to draft in a twelve team
Speaker 1: league against five other Joes and six other industry pros.
Speaker 1: The winners of each of those leagues will win a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven FFPC Main Event entry, which is twenty
Speaker 1: two hundred bucks. Farrell may or may not be sending
Speaker 1: the second place team a pair of socks.
Speaker 2: We don't know. We have the socks covering.
Speaker 1: Okay, the socks are coming. And then I believe ARMANI
Speaker 1: and I have to check and I didn't see, but
Speaker 1: he's been putting together a championship belt for the overall
Speaker 1: winner out of all eighty four teams the last couple
Speaker 1: of years.
Speaker 2: See and I'm predicting that out he's forty two. At
Speaker 2: least eight to twelve of the guys are regularly seeing
Speaker 2: a podiatrist for some foot issue. I think that's probably
Speaker 2: what's going on. That's why we have socks, Bourbon socks.
Speaker 2: According to Sean Green Ring those bad boys out.
Speaker 1: All right, without further ado, here are the names I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read co owners as well. Okay, so the first
Speaker 1: ones we have here, Griffin Bushell and Brian Wells are
Speaker 1: in pros Versus Joe's this year. A member of the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Sopranos family, Michael Carboni is actually going to be
Speaker 1: drafting in pros Versus Joe's this year. No stranger to
Speaker 1: the high stakes fantasy football or in fact the guy
Speaker 1: we had on just a few weeks a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: Bill Hollywood and his brother and pros Versus Jo's this year.
Speaker 1: Bill's in the chat room tonight. So congratulations to you, Bills.
Speaker 1: Ever since we switched the show to Wednesday's Pharrell, I
Speaker 1: always say at the end of the show, as our
Speaker 1: friend Vince staff Alino likes to.
Speaker 2: Say, you're over the hump.
Speaker 1: Now, welcome aboard to pros Versus Joe's twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: You're over the humped. Staff Allno, Vince Dallino is back
Speaker 1: in pros Versus Joes this year.
Speaker 2: I do believe I have to check on this. I
Speaker 2: think he was in before. I'm almost positively on the
Speaker 2: show before.
Speaker 1: No, not Vince, I'm talking about the next guys on
Speaker 1: ire Matt and Andrew Stone. I think Matt Stone's been
Speaker 1: on the short show before. He will be in a
Speaker 1: preview of the next roado Is High Stakes Lowdown, which
Speaker 1: is going to be held July seventh at ten pm.
Speaker 1: My guests on that show will be in pros Versus
Speaker 1: Joe's this year. It's Caleb Alcorn and Sean Isaacs, who's
Speaker 1: who's been on this show before. They'll be on the
Speaker 1: roadov Is High Stake Slowdown and they're drafting and pros
Speaker 1: Versus Joe's this year. Congratulations to them. Another friend of
Speaker 1: the show, a guy who has been on multiple times,
Speaker 1: Steve g Steven Irglos the Fantasy Soprano himself drafting and
Speaker 1: pros Versus Joe's. That's going to be a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: So welcome aboard there, longtime FFPC player Graham Dowick and
Speaker 1: Damon Hibbert. That combo will be drafting and pros Versus Joe's.
Speaker 1: Harry Mills, Welcome board to pros Versus Joe's twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Another former guest of the show, I believe I had
Speaker 1: him on. I could be wrong about this. I know
Speaker 1: I tried to get him out in the past. Maybe
Speaker 1: our schedules didn't match up. But Jim Robertson is going
Speaker 1: to be drafting and pros Versus Joe's this year. We
Speaker 1: go through the list, John Sellinger is drafting and PJ.
Speaker 1: Nico Tamasi is drafting and pros Versus Joe's this year,
Speaker 1: and then back from the dead. I don't I think
Speaker 1: this is a screen name. Rhet Auerbach Farrell is going
Speaker 1: to be in pros Versus jose this year, so that'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see him come back from the dead
Speaker 1: to draft up with a cigar. With a cigar, no
Speaker 1: doubt it all right, Former guest of the show. I
Speaker 1: believe both these guys have been on. Roy Parinzuela and
Speaker 1: Corey Hanstein welcome to Pross Joe's.
Speaker 2: They've drafted in it before.
Speaker 1: I believe Sean and Jackson Sullivan will be one of
Speaker 1: the forty two Joes in pros Versus Joe's, Tim Parker
Speaker 1: and Josh Bishop as well. The former back to back
Speaker 1: Midstakes League winner overall winner, I should say, has the
Speaker 1: first in first and fifteen podcasts. Stay Ready a beab
Speaker 1: Egg Buttoba You will be in pros Versus Joe's this
Speaker 1: year as well. Christopher and Brandon Betts drafting in pros
Speaker 1: Versus Jo's. Harrison Dillman is going to be drafting in
Speaker 1: PBJ Farrell one of our Kentucky buddies by way of California.
Speaker 1: James Bednar welcome aboard, Hey, absolutely yeah, John Flake and
Speaker 1: Dave Nichols, Kevin Robinson, Pat Leo, Michael Faye will all
Speaker 1: be on that whole lot of guys there. Nolan Cradell
Speaker 1: and James Doubleday that tandem will be drafting Anthony Detoma
Speaker 1: and then a guy that I've hung out with in
Speaker 1: Vegas before drafts in some of the big paybacks out there,
Speaker 1: Matt Gruberger along with Scott Breuger. Gruberger will be in
Speaker 1: pros Versus Joe's this year. We move on through the list,
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Turner and Chris Herbert, john Shaw, the War Eagle himself,
Speaker 1: John Shaw and Jay Winning sharing a team in Pro
Speaker 1: Versus Jo's this year. Dave mcquisten in PVJ, Dave Coleman,
Speaker 1: longtime FFPC player, Troy Wells, and Nicholas Trice. I have
Speaker 1: to go back through the annals in hsff our history.
Speaker 1: I think I might have had those guys on at
Speaker 1: one point, but they're in pros Versus Jos this year
Speaker 1: as well. Clayton Etheridge Welcome to pros Versus Joe's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. Adam Rillett Welcome a board. Former FFPC main
Speaker 1: event winners Tim Deno and Tim Bolu will be joining
Speaker 1: pros Versus Jos this year. Exciting to have those guys drafting.
Speaker 1: They will be a force to be reckoned with. Steve
Speaker 1: and Sean Klitzner will be drafting in pros Versus Joe's.
Speaker 1: Matt Moore Welcome a board to pros Versus Joe's. Mark
Speaker 1: and Brent Messina, no stranger to the FFPC family of podcasts,
Speaker 1: they will be in pros Versus Joe's. Kevin and Brad Brophy,
Speaker 1: who I know draft in Las Vegas every year. Paul
Speaker 1: Tiicera and Peter Puzzo, who have been on this show
Speaker 1: multiple times, will be in pros Versus Joe's. I have
Speaker 1: two names left, but one of them you already know.
Speaker 1: It's Fred Hong, who who co hosted the show. With
Speaker 1: me last week, you know he was in. And then
Speaker 1: the final pros Versus Joe's member for twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: will be Vy Warburg. Welcome aboard to pros Versus Joe's.
Speaker 1: That's the list I have for you tonight. Congratulations to
Speaker 1: all the people who got selected in the random drawing.
Speaker 1: I will have a full announcement on the FFPC email
Speaker 1: that goes out on Friday morning, so you'll see the
Speaker 1: full list there. You can reference that if you heard
Speaker 1: your name called, Darren ARMANI will be reaching out to
Speaker 1: you via email shortly to get you scheduled for these drafts,
Speaker 1: which do happen I believe, don't quote.
Speaker 2: Me on this.
Speaker 1: They are going to go off July twenty six, twenty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, August second, August third, August fourth, and then
Speaker 1: the slow draft pops off I believe just before July
Speaker 1: twenty six as well.
Speaker 2: So there you go, Ferrel. It's quite the list we
Speaker 2: have here. It's an impressive list, and I recognize about
Speaker 2: thirty of these guys, which makes me happy to know
Speaker 2: this group, and you know, our Kentucky and Las Vegas
Speaker 2: FFPC crossover guys. It makes me happy to see that
Speaker 2: they'll be in there as well. It's a good group,
Speaker 2: and you know, the pros can The pros can just
Speaker 2: continue to live in fear because these Joe's will bury
Speaker 2: them in a crypt that no one will ever discover.
Speaker 1: The jose have controlled this the last several years. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens going forward here. Now, I want to
Speaker 1: bring in Tonight's guest. They've been incredibly patient and both
Speaker 1: of them require significant introductions.
Speaker 2: Farrel.
Speaker 1: The first guy I want to bring a board is
Speaker 1: a player who's never been on this show before. Really,
Speaker 1: he is the twenty fourteen World Series of Horse Racing champion.
Speaker 2: I'm not making this up.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy thousand at the Orleans Casino. It
Speaker 1: there the first two times he and our other guest
Speaker 1: Tonight hung out. He won two hundred thousand dollars at
Speaker 1: the Breeders' Cup betting challenge and finished second in the
Speaker 1: World Series the World Series of horse Racing. Then they
Speaker 1: used to have a gambling reality show called horse Players
Speaker 1: started back in twenty fourteen. You can check that out
Speaker 1: on Amazon. And he also has a new fantasy horse
Speaker 1: racing company called Long Shot Fantasy, which blends fantasy and
Speaker 1: horse racing, So that's going to be coming up soon.
Speaker 1: And you can watch him on YouTube right now for
Speaker 1: his The Price is Wrong show, a fast horse racing show.
Speaker 2: You follow him on Raw or Dive.
Speaker 1: Please welcome on to the show, mister Christian Helmer's Christian Evening.
Speaker 1: This series is so good to have you.
Speaker 4: Man, Hey, it's always good to see Unferrell.
Speaker 5: I think the last time I saw you was in Vegas,
Speaker 5: and I'm not going to say what was going on
Speaker 5: when I saw you in that casino.
Speaker 2: Will we were talking. We were talking, we were talking horses.
Speaker 2: I do believe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was uh, it was sin city. There was
Speaker 4: there was a lot of sin going on at that time.
Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, Well you must have different you must have
Speaker 2: different measuring sticks for this sin stuff.
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think what you could do is
Speaker 5: you could upgrade the socks and come up with maybe
Speaker 5: something that could be a little more sinful.
Speaker 4: That might be you, and that might inspire more people
Speaker 4: to want to play.
Speaker 2: We have some players that need to use those socks,
Speaker 2: so it is it will be important.
Speaker 4: Like the like the red hot chili peppers us the
Speaker 4: socks or.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, maybe so we're not.
Speaker 1: We're this close that we're walking the line tonight. We're
Speaker 1: walking the line, but but I want to move past
Speaker 1: it and bring in our other guests tonight.
Speaker 2: Uh, we have two guests. Two guests. Yeah, we have
Speaker 2: two guests. U.
Speaker 1: His best finish in the mid Stakes contest back in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Uh, he finished in the tenth in the
Speaker 1: top ten famously. The last time that this guy was
Speaker 1: on this show, Pharaoh, it was the day before I
Speaker 1: got married. The day before I got married, I did
Speaker 1: a show, and he was on this show with actually
Speaker 1: Mark and Brent Messina who are in pro Versus Jos.
Speaker 2: This year, he had a really bad.
Speaker 1: Final week, didn't end up winning the thing, the whole
Speaker 1: Midstakes contest. But he's been very talented one main event
Speaker 1: league in his career, and he along with Christian finished
Speaker 1: third overall in the twenty twenty two FFPC pros Versus Jos.
Speaker 1: In fact, they finished third overall, second in their division,
Speaker 1: and the team that they finished behind overall drafted right
Speaker 1: next to him. They were in These guys were in
Speaker 1: the ninth spot, and Dan Williamson and JD from the
Speaker 1: Goat District were in the in the eighth spot, and
Speaker 1: they ended up winning the whole thing. Anyway, you follow
Speaker 1: him on x at know Logistics. Please welcome in back
Speaker 1: to the show, mister John Hurd, John, good evening.
Speaker 2: Welcome, what's up fellas? Hey John, I excited to have
Speaker 2: you on.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this out of the way right away,
Speaker 1: I said. I listed the full list of Pros Versus
Speaker 1: Joe's for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Once again I lied.
Speaker 1: There is one more team I didn't name, and it
Speaker 1: is the tandem of Helmer's and Herd.
Speaker 2: Welcome pros versus Joe's. Yeah, well man, thank you. I
Speaker 2: didn't know you had that in you.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you were that kind of crafty. You're
Speaker 4: gonna tease us like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's shade. He just shaded this. It was shade.
Speaker 2: But you you end up winning. You you end up
Speaker 2: profiting off of it. So I feg brother, We'll take
Speaker 2: it all day.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: That's right, okay, So welcome aboard now twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: third place finishers and pros Versus Joe's and maybe twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six overall winners. We shall see on that before
Speaker 1: we get into fantasy football.
Speaker 2: I do I do want to.
Speaker 1: I mean, Christian, I kind of gave you this big
Speaker 1: introduction here with with your horse racing background. Is there
Speaker 1: anything I missed because like, you're a big name in
Speaker 1: horse racing.
Speaker 4: I take it real serious.
Speaker 5: I think I've probably spent ninety five percent of my
Speaker 5: weekends either looking at at the cards and finding some
Speaker 5: form of value.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 5: The thing I will say about horse racing is it's
Speaker 5: almost identical to fantasy football. It's it just takes that
Speaker 5: muscle where you got to try to find the patterns
Speaker 5: and you got to kind of break things down. You
Speaker 5: got to be different, you gotta find value. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 5: I I have won about thirty something tournaments, you know,
Speaker 5: cash games. I just finished third in the Belmont Stakes
Speaker 5: Challenge this weekend. I don't know if you guys watch
Speaker 5: the Belmont, do you guys see that?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 4: Anyway, there's there's so many cool things about racing, but
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: We had the female trainer win again ye for a
Speaker 1: first one ever to win a triple crown in the race,
Speaker 1: and then she wins two of them this year.
Speaker 2: I forget her. I apologize, Yeah.
Speaker 4: No worries. She Cheryl DeVoe, she Cherdovo.
Speaker 5: She The thing that's interesting is that horse just real quick,
Speaker 5: because I know this is about fantasy football, but she
Speaker 5: she Everybody disrespected that horse in the derby.
Speaker 2: Very time.
Speaker 5: It's back in the Belmont, and everybody's hating on this
Speaker 5: horse because you know, they think this renegade horse that
Speaker 5: they that this horse beat is better.
Speaker 4: Man, the public is wrong. That's why it's to show
Speaker 4: the price is wrong. Dude.
Speaker 2: People don't know what they're doing. John, What about you?
Speaker 1: What are you doing for a living when you're not
Speaker 1: winning f FPC Maine event leagues?
Speaker 6: Man, I'm a dad, Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I'm a
Speaker 6: financial advisor for a living.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: So you guys, you definitely know how to price players
Speaker 1: correctly when it comes to a drafting fantasy and and
Speaker 1: I think that's that's where we should We should lead
Speaker 1: off Farrell because and we'll throw this to John, there's
Speaker 1: an interesting price on one sophomore tight end right now
Speaker 1: that him going this high at this point last year.
Speaker 2: Right we have a recency bias, just like in horse racing.
Speaker 2: We want to know what you did the last time out.
Speaker 2: So Coastal Loveland is a guy that I think our
Speaker 2: FFPC drafters with the one point five points per reception
Speaker 2: to the tight end the tight end Premium League. I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's any aspect of considering this guy
Speaker 2: to be overdrafted. So if you guys are at the
Speaker 2: end of the second round, is that about the right
Speaker 2: time for you or are you Loveland guys, will you
Speaker 2: just go out and get him no matter what the price? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it was a good question. You know.
Speaker 6: Last year FFPC points, he was at tight end twelve,
Speaker 6: you know, and he was at right at one hundred
Speaker 6: and ninety points.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: But the thing that you got to watch out when
Speaker 6: you look at those stats is the beginning of the season,
Speaker 6: you know, he was averaging like four points a game.
Speaker 6: Was a little bit hurt, you know whatnot, and then
Speaker 6: he finished the season strong, and you got to look
Speaker 6: at that production the last ten games.
Speaker 2: You know, let's say he averaged fifteen points a game.
Speaker 6: You know, he's got klebit quarterback, talented young quarterback obviously,
Speaker 6: you know. But the thing with him, I do, like
Speaker 6: I'm a Loveland fan. I collect sports cards. He's a
Speaker 6: hot name right now in sports cards. The kids love him,
Speaker 6: you know, when they ripping packs. So I look at
Speaker 6: these things. But for me, I'm not shooting for Loveland.
Speaker 6: There's other players I feel like. I think the tight
Speaker 6: end We'll get into this later with some questions, but
Speaker 6: the tight end position I feel is pretty pretty average
Speaker 6: in the let's say around seven to seventeen, where you
Speaker 6: can get a bunch of different tight ends, and I
Speaker 6: think Loveland's I think it's just it's not enough love
Speaker 6: for me in the second round.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way, bro, I feel the same one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I mean, granted, when I was
Speaker 1: drafting in Kentucky, the tight ends don't get pushed up
Speaker 1: because it's not tight end premium, but I felt like
Speaker 1: I was getting up pretty solidly in like the fifth
Speaker 1: or whatever. And now even in kffs C drafts, he's
Speaker 1: being pushed up, and I feel like, God, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's how I feel. And two eleven, man,
Speaker 2: I mean, you really got to believe in Loveland.
Speaker 6: He needs to go from a one ninety four total
Speaker 6: points to a two point fifty and above for him
Speaker 6: to be really second round material for me, even at
Speaker 6: the second end, of the second round, and those people.
Speaker 2: Love him, they'll argue with him that he's already there
Speaker 2: and beyond right, Yeah, it's all.
Speaker 1: About range of outcomes, and certainly he could hit that.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's it's difficult to say that that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's likely and and I want to to draft
Speaker 1: him at that spot now, Christian. The tight end that
Speaker 1: is not going near as high as Lovelin is Brenton Strange. Now,
Speaker 1: he had his coach, I think it was Liam Cohen
Speaker 1: talking him up today and saying he's going to be
Speaker 1: a big piece of what they do in the passing
Speaker 1: game this year, which is an interesting thing to say
Speaker 1: when you consider Jacoby Myers, Travis Hunt, well, not maybe
Speaker 1: not Travis Hunter, but Jacoby Myers, Parker Washington, Brian Thomas,
Speaker 1: who's getting a lot of flowers right now. Strange is
Speaker 1: going off the board at tight end nineteen right now
Speaker 1: in the FFEC big gorilla that's mid eleventh round between
Speaker 1: Kenyon Sadiq and Juwan Johnson. When when you look at,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever teams you're going to be drafting this year,
Speaker 1: does does Strange strike you as a guy at that
Speaker 1: price in that offense, as a potential target for you
Speaker 1: on your FFPC teams.
Speaker 5: It's kind of interesting because we are publicly facing right
Speaker 5: now and I kind of have to keep my cars
Speaker 5: a little close to my chest.
Speaker 4: But I won't because it's fair all that's ball key, Like,
Speaker 4: why would I not be open with you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's It's one of those things where anytime I
Speaker 5: make a decision, whether it's in business and love and
Speaker 5: fantasy football and horses, it's all about my options. So
Speaker 5: when I look at my options and I look at
Speaker 5: that position, there's a lot of really interesting players.
Speaker 4: In that round eleven.
Speaker 5: So it will boil down to the structure of the
Speaker 5: of the build. And you know, John brings up a
Speaker 5: good point and we're gonna probably go back and forth on.
Speaker 2: This a little bit this year.
Speaker 5: But when you have like a lot of interesting, reliable,
Speaker 5: kind of old faithful tight ends in the later rounds,
Speaker 5: you can grab three of them and and diversify and
Speaker 5: then play roulette when when the time comes and do
Speaker 5: the matchups. But if I don't, if I don't have
Speaker 5: a tight end in the in the first six rounds
Speaker 5: and I and I definitely will consider them, but I
Speaker 5: think there's just there's so much juice.
Speaker 4: In that, in that, in that uh, in that lemon
Speaker 4: or lime.
Speaker 2: Or citrus fruit, you want to pick it with with
Speaker 2: this player, With with all the Jacksonville receivers, I'm even
Speaker 2: beginning to question some of my appreciation of Parker Washington.
Speaker 2: There's just there's just so many players here and all
Speaker 2: of them, all of them seem to have spike games,
Speaker 2: including Jakobe Myers, who's, you know, one of my absolute favorites.
Speaker 2: But it was like a roller coaster with every player.
Speaker 2: Parker Washington finished strong in this league. You know, we
Speaker 2: talked about Jordan Love earlier, Balky, we talked to two
Speaker 2: weeks ago when I was with you guys, we talked
Speaker 2: about the quarterback here. Here's just another situation where I
Speaker 2: like the quarterback better than any of the other fantacy
Speaker 2: options around him. I think the quarterback is going to
Speaker 2: do well. I'm just not just not afraid who he's
Speaker 2: going to do well with. Now, I can't say that
Speaker 2: I want to. I guess I'll throw this one to you, Christian.
Speaker 2: I can't say that about Cleveland. I just think of
Speaker 2: this is situation that I want to avoid. Although I
Speaker 2: love the two young players. The two young receivers, you're
Speaker 2: Boston CONCEPTSI and then Jerry Judy bad speed, a bad
Speaker 2: hands at any speed. You know, it's just that's my
Speaker 2: that's my line on him, and not a great not
Speaker 2: not much play strength. And then I don't know which
Speaker 2: quarterback is going to be. I'd like to hear your
Speaker 2: opinion on that. But these intriguing wide receivers, are you
Speaker 2: going to do anything with them on the draft or
Speaker 2: are you just gonna be like me sitting on the
Speaker 2: sidelines and let someone else take that risk.
Speaker 5: Well, I think the the interesting thing is Boston, you
Speaker 5: know there's some value there, So I will say, you know,
Speaker 5: there's definitely you know, you get picked that guy up
Speaker 5: in fifteen, sixteenth, seventeenth round. I'll probably get some drum
Speaker 5: beats To'll probably move up. The problem I face is,
Speaker 5: you know, rookies they get going late, so you got
Speaker 5: to sit for a long time. But if you're picking
Speaker 5: them up late in the game in the draft, it
Speaker 5: doesn't matter. But you might see a quarterback change and
Speaker 5: Shad will probably be playing by then, I'm guessing, so
Speaker 5: it could be a whole different situation. So I guess
Speaker 5: I can't I can't take any of these guys earlier
Speaker 5: than that, so I'm I've only got to be interested.
Speaker 4: It would be probably Boston.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough right now if we if we look
Speaker 1: at the mojo on these Cleveland receivers, especially the rookie
Speaker 1: ones that we just talked about, you can get Denzel
Speaker 1: Boston is wide receiver sixty six in the Big Gorilla
Speaker 1: in the fifteenth round.
Speaker 2: Concepts one, you got to pay up.
Speaker 1: He's now moved into the late tenth round as wide
Speaker 1: receiver fifty one, and he is going off the board
Speaker 1: as the number one wide receiver for Cleveland. Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: falling to the seventeenth round at wide receiver seventy. Speaking
Speaker 1: of falling, well, this guy should have been a high
Speaker 1: pick this year, John Hurd, it's not happening because he
Speaker 1: tore his ACL late in the season. And that is
Speaker 1: one Zach Charbonnet from Seattle. So you would think with
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walkering on Sharbona, this would be like round two
Speaker 1: territory right for him and healthy, and they don't take
Speaker 1: Jadarian Price probably, but he's not healthy and they did
Speaker 1: use a first round pick on Price.
Speaker 2: Re draft leagues, I'm concerned about this guy because he
Speaker 2: tore his ACL so late.
Speaker 1: And we know that even when you come back, the
Speaker 1: first time you come back from an ACL tear, you're
Speaker 1: not really you know, your your true self, right. It
Speaker 1: takes a while, even once you get back on the
Speaker 1: field to sort of trust the need get back to
Speaker 1: you know, your regular flexibility, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: And then John, I look, he's running back forty four
Speaker 1: right now at the twelve oh one. This guy might
Speaker 1: not be playing football until December. I had the opportunity
Speaker 1: several times in draft Sharbone and I just can't do it.
Speaker 1: Am I missing out on Sharbonay here? How high are
Speaker 1: you willing to draft him? Is that a spot that
Speaker 1: you'd take him at that eleven twelve turn right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's a good question. I'm a Notre Dame guy.
Speaker 6: My stepdad was all American. You played football at Notre Dame,
Speaker 6: so I'm really familiar with the program. Jadarium Price is
Speaker 6: a great player. Obviously, he had a really good running
Speaker 6: back with him in his backfield that got drafted pretty high.
Speaker 6: But he was a first rounder. You know, he's going
Speaker 6: you know what, five fifth round here right now? I
Speaker 6: feel like if I'm taking a back in that backfield.
Speaker 6: I'm taking the younger horse. I think that charbon A
Speaker 6: is great, I mean great player. Last year he had
Speaker 6: what twelve touchdowns seven hundred yards. You know, he's definitely
Speaker 6: a producing back. But in this situation, unless he falls
Speaker 6: further like twelfth or thirteen, and I can steal him
Speaker 6: somewhere around there, depending on how I'm constructing that team
Speaker 6: and where I am and the build in the process.
Speaker 6: If I need a guy, yeah, I'll consider Charbonna in
Speaker 6: that spot. But if there's someone else I find I
Speaker 6: need better, I'm going with that with that back just
Speaker 6: because I think I think JP is going to be
Speaker 6: the leader in that backfield.
Speaker 2: John, Let's go to somebody I know you like better,
Speaker 2: somebody somebody that I absolutely love. And when the announcement
Speaker 2: was made that David Montgomery would be leaving Detroit to
Speaker 2: play in Houston, I said, this is a this is
Speaker 2: a change of venue that I can get behind. What
Speaker 2: do you anticipate for him there? How are you You know,
Speaker 2: the offense may not be as explosive, but I see
Speaker 2: it as dependable, and I think he's going to raise
Speaker 2: all boats. I think he's going to be a little
Speaker 2: bit better ballplayer to help everyone out at this ball club.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Montgomery and are we going to see
Speaker 2: a true breakthrough year for this player?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good, great question. Montgomery's what going in
Speaker 6: the fifth round right now? Last year he had seven
Speaker 6: hundred yards, eight touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Kind of guy. You know.
Speaker 6: Obviously he is in a community share backfield with some
Speaker 6: with a stud running back, so this is his opportunity
Speaker 6: to share. I do think he'll still be in some
Speaker 6: bit of a community here in his position now because
Speaker 6: Mark Woody Marx is not bad out of USC.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy put up seven hundred yards last year.
Speaker 6: I think that Montgomery will beat a goal line back
Speaker 6: Christian and I you know, we look we looking at
Speaker 6: Montgomery as more of a goal line guy, which that's good,
Speaker 6: good for him, good for his production numbers. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean I would definitely consider Montgomery depending on who's
Speaker 6: there in the fifth round. I mean, I'm looking at
Speaker 6: my board right now. You got DeAndre Swift, Bucky you know,
Speaker 6: Darien Price, all these guys. You know this Scataboo fall,
Speaker 6: this straight just driven Henderson fall. So these are the
Speaker 6: questions you got to you know, look while you're on
Speaker 6: the board. But yeah, I like Montgomery, always have. I
Speaker 6: think he's a he's a physical specimen to look at.
Speaker 6: Here's a beast.
Speaker 2: You guys are broke gum guys. So give me some numbers.
Speaker 2: I want your I want numbers on on rushes and
Speaker 2: touchdowns and yeah, whatever you can give me on Montgomery
Speaker 2: because you're a great numbers guy. I got it as
Speaker 2: a great predictor.
Speaker 6: So let's if he did if he was a seven
Speaker 6: hundred eight last year, I'm gonna say he's a twelve
Speaker 6: hundred type maybe eleven twelve guy this year. And now
Speaker 6: if he stays healthy. M hm, Sky's the limbit guy
Speaker 6: could go for fourteen fifteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's what I'm seeing and what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 2: And in the fifth round, doesn't that sound pretty good?
Speaker 2: Sounds great?
Speaker 1: And I actually had to slow down on drafting this
Speaker 1: guy because I got too much Montgomery. I'm like, geez,
Speaker 1: I gotta work at DeAndre Swift, Engenderian Price here a
Speaker 1: little bit in the fifth route. Plus that's also like
Speaker 1: if you look at for FFTC for big Gorilla, I
Speaker 1: mean you can also get Jalen Wattle there. You can
Speaker 1: also get Evans there, DJ Moore. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people high. Uh you know, seems
Speaker 1: different sets of people are high on all three of
Speaker 1: those receives. That's another thing to look at in the
Speaker 1: fifth round as well. Yeah, okay, let's go deeper again,
Speaker 1: Christian and we'll talk Malik Willis here, and I bring
Speaker 1: this up. Farrell's probably sick of talking about Malik Willis,
Speaker 1: but I bring it up because I want to get
Speaker 1: as many opinions as possible on this player, quarterback twenty
Speaker 1: one right now in the big Gorilla at the end
Speaker 1: of the fifteenth round. I think about how good he
Speaker 1: was in Green Bay when he was asked to make plays,
Speaker 1: especially in that Baltimore game when Baltimore was daring Willis
Speaker 1: to beat him, and he did beat him both with
Speaker 1: his arm and his legs. But it was a small
Speaker 1: sample size. And now he goes to a much less
Speaker 1: talented team, a team that did you know is going
Speaker 1: to grow up this year that they're not going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, competing for the playoffs or a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But I still see that tantalizing upside. I was just
Speaker 1: in a Kentucky draft now and I took him as
Speaker 1: my backup co back again. I think the upside here
Speaker 1: at quarterback twenty one I've been I've been drafting them
Speaker 1: a lot there. But I'll ask you, maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 1: missing something on Willis your thoughts on him this year
Speaker 1: the new Dolphins quarterback?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it kind of reminds me a little
Speaker 4: bit of Daniel Jones last year for me, And this
Speaker 4: is that you get him for free.
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, if you want to, you know,
Speaker 5: pass the hat, go ahead. I mean I got I
Speaker 5: got a ton of Daniel Jones and some of and
Speaker 5: and so I liked.
Speaker 4: I like getting these cheap quarterbacks that are going to
Speaker 4: be starters, that especially have upside on the on the ground.
Speaker 4: And this is a this is going to be a
Speaker 4: broken team.
Speaker 5: We all know that they're they're going to be eunctional
Speaker 5: and it's going to take a long time to figure
Speaker 5: it out. But I think ultimately at that point you
Speaker 5: want to you need to, Like I'm thinking of trying
Speaker 5: to win a million dollars, So I'm thinking, how can
Speaker 5: I how can I take this thing down? And so
Speaker 5: Malik is is kind of like a I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's like a nice dessert or something. Maybe it's a second,
Speaker 5: second or third, you know, kognak or whatever.
Speaker 4: But but to me, it's like I focused on round.
Speaker 5: Like you know, Balky, I'm looking I'm looking at the
Speaker 5: first seven, bro, I'm looking at the first seven, and
Speaker 5: I'm trying to come up with a unique combination that's
Speaker 5: going to separate me from everybody. Like last year, I
Speaker 5: took Puka at the one and the two and the three.
Speaker 5: I got I got lucky, but I couldn't get the
Speaker 5: best of it. So I'm looking at things in the
Speaker 5: first seven.
Speaker 4: So have at it.
Speaker 5: Take as much Molik as you want. I don't think
Speaker 5: there's any there's any problem there, but I think I think.
Speaker 4: The game that I like to play is be different.
Speaker 5: So in the first rounds, like I may I may
Speaker 5: take a guy you know, like and that goes in
Speaker 5: the you know, in the twenties at at ten or eleven,
Speaker 5: things like that, to try to mix it up.
Speaker 2: You're just a man.
Speaker 1: So we we have we have a new nickname for
Speaker 1: Malik Willis on this show, Pharah.
Speaker 2: We are going to refer to him as second Cognac
Speaker 2: from here on.
Speaker 4: Wait, third Cognac.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have to at least get four in me
Speaker 2: before I would draft him. Who's the quarterback that's going
Speaker 2: at twenty Well, yeahs in twenty one, Mobunkie makes all
Speaker 2: kinds of sense for you to take the link.
Speaker 6: Another another issue he's gonna have is quinn UIs and
Speaker 6: a bunch of a slew of just rookie receivers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you go go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like the thing is on the surface, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like a bad play. How many times fare
Speaker 1: have we had people on the show, Why don't you
Speaker 1: guys just draft good David Hubbard says this all the time.
Speaker 1: I've asked David Hubbard to be on the show, and
Speaker 1: usually he does. But the thing he always says is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give good advice. Just draft good players.
Speaker 2: Right there, you go, that's all you need. But how
Speaker 2: many people have come on.
Speaker 1: The show and said draft good players and good offenses?
Speaker 2: Right yeah?
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that Miami does not
Speaker 1: have a good offense. And you know, Christian makes the
Speaker 1: good point. I mean, fifteenth round draft. All you want
Speaker 1: of willis he's not going to kill you.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: I look at the upside and I wonder how many
Speaker 2: people would try a build in like the FFPC Best Ball.
Speaker 1: Tournament or even made an entery gorilla where they wait,
Speaker 1: they really wait on quarterback, and then they have one
Speaker 1: of these steady type guys in like Purdy or Golf
Speaker 1: and staff right as their number one quarterback. And then
Speaker 1: you take Willis as your backup. And then if Willis hits,
Speaker 1: mother of God, you're loaded at running back, receiver and
Speaker 1: tight end right. And now all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: have a top twelve quarterback you got in the fifth
Speaker 1: Not saying that's gonna happen, but certainly you could tell
Speaker 1: yourself a story where that could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's go to Kansas City. Faral for this
Speaker 1: next question.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if the Kansas let's go to Christian
Speaker 2: because I have a horse racing Talia. If if the
Speaker 2: Kansas City backfield was the reserve backs were a claiming race,
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would open up their checkbook. Let's
Speaker 2: just I really can't find anybody there that that I
Speaker 2: would would want to buy. You know, it's uh Walker
Speaker 2: has been uh Walker has been always linked with the
Speaker 2: back and we have a problem in Fantasy Football that
Speaker 2: the backfield by committee. I don't think any of these
Speaker 2: guys are committee eligible. Do you have a favorite one?
Speaker 2: Is there someone that you would be claiming the the
Speaker 2: dark horse in the in the Kansas City Chiefs backfield
Speaker 2: tell us about I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I guess I go back to how can you?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a it's a late pick, so you're
Speaker 5: not really risking much. I think obviously Wilson is going
Speaker 5: to probably have the body, and I think there's some comparables.
Speaker 4: I can't remember who it was, but but he's he's
Speaker 4: he's gonna be he's gonna be decent. I think.
Speaker 5: I think the challenges is, you know, when that offense
Speaker 5: is going to be kind of grinding games out, and
Speaker 5: when they're gonna be playing a style of football that's
Speaker 5: meant to save their players for the playoffs. You know,
Speaker 5: be smart, be clever, mix it up week by week,
Speaker 5: throw curve balls. I just don't see a lot of upside.
Speaker 5: So to me, it's not like, you know, obviously, if
Speaker 5: Walker went down. Now keep in mind, Walker just signed
Speaker 5: a big deal. You know, he's he's happy. He's probably
Speaker 5: gonna eat a little extra, you know, ice cream and
Speaker 5: smoke a little extra but what you know, whatever, But
Speaker 5: it's like it's it's one.
Speaker 4: Of those things where he's he's not what's what are
Speaker 4: you taking head for barrel? What what I'm from California?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about that's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Serve? You know in California you do have a different outlook.
Speaker 1: It's it's, it's it's basically, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't expect him to be uh uh Ricky Waters
Speaker 7: or whatever or Williams, Ricky Williams.
Speaker 2: What was the think? Yeah?
Speaker 5: But but anyway, so I guess I like Bishard Smith
Speaker 5: a lot last year, and I and I drafted a
Speaker 5: bunch of them.
Speaker 4: But again, he's just too little, and so you know
Speaker 4: he's not to get volume. I'm looking for volume.
Speaker 5: I don't think ken Walker is gonna get a ton
Speaker 5: of volume, just given the fact of the way they play.
Speaker 5: So I just don't see it. Again, you look at
Speaker 5: the data for the last couple of years the running
Speaker 5: back position. Pacheco had his moments, but he's obviously not
Speaker 5: the same.
Speaker 4: But you still, I just I.
Speaker 5: Don't get excited for the explosion, and so I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't really care, so I'm pretty indifferent. I would say,
Speaker 5: you know, if you look at the matchups, see if
Speaker 5: there's there's something going on.
Speaker 7: Maybe you could you could get you know, some of
Speaker 7: these guys on waivers, you know, if they if they
Speaker 7: fall off early.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's not not not a serious question
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 2: So Emma Johnson twelve oh nine.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's weird that I don't even see Amri
Speaker 1: Day Mercado anywhere in Kansas, anywhere in Big Gorilla draft boards.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna eventually come up on there. It's
Speaker 1: not fun to draft him right now. But certainly with
Speaker 1: the with the amount of time that Walker has missed
Speaker 1: previously in Seattle, you know that they're and I don't
Speaker 1: think any of these guys are league winners by any
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. But it would be interesting to
Speaker 1: see if Talker does miss two or three weeks with
Speaker 1: a saw tissue, Ludrey, what Day Mercado could do as
Speaker 1: the lead back behind Patrick Mahomes or Emma Johnson behind
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. I think that'd be interesting. And certainly these
Speaker 1: guys Johnson's being pushed up. I think I'm with you,
Speaker 1: Christian get one of these guys late like like day
Speaker 1: Marcylo is not going at all, and you never know
Speaker 1: what you find into Adam Chiming in day Marcylo is
Speaker 1: running back too, and he has been running as running
Speaker 1: back to a LTA's ahead of Emma Johnson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think that's the better value if
Speaker 5: you're going to take one of those guys, especially if
Speaker 5: he's not getting And again, if you want to be different,
Speaker 5: right and you're and you're playing an early event like
Speaker 5: main event stuff right now, you know, getting that guy
Speaker 5: for free could could could add some value.
Speaker 6: So the interesting part to me to Kansas City's backfield
Speaker 6: is all these guys are like five ten, two hundred pounds,
Speaker 6: very similar. You look at de Mercado, you know he
Speaker 6: went to TCU, he was a three point fifty brushes
Speaker 6: with zero touchdowns. Smith was you know, Rishard Smith went
Speaker 6: to SMU. So I mean they're getting them from nearly
Speaker 6: the same city with TCU and SMU as well as
Speaker 6: the same size.
Speaker 2: You know these guys.
Speaker 6: The interesting thing at their stats from last season also
Speaker 6: was that both guys did not have a Russian touchdown,
Speaker 6: but both scored a receiving touchdown one so they had
Speaker 6: more receiving touchdowns than Russian touchdowns. So for those reasons,
Speaker 6: I just I like guys that I see production wise.
Speaker 6: So for me, I'm looking at Emma Johnson coming as
Speaker 6: the rookie with the fresh legs and see if he
Speaker 6: can do anything better, you know, out of those three.
Speaker 6: But you know, if Walker can't get going. But if
Speaker 6: Walker gets hurt or something to me stashed Emma Johnson.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you guys, Walker's not going to take
Speaker 2: many snaps in the preseason, so we'll can see what
Speaker 2: the other guys can do. That's true, That's a very
Speaker 2: good point. Take a look at it later.
Speaker 1: And to John's point as well, Yes, I mean Johnson
Speaker 1: is the more most expensive backup or back up running
Speaker 1: back there, but he's also the guy we don't know about,
Speaker 1: right Like we have a season of Rashard Smith, we
Speaker 1: have several seasons of Amari day Ricabo.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen anything with Emma Johnson.
Speaker 1: And this is a player too that did all these
Speaker 1: things at the combine and did great athletically speaking, and
Speaker 1: what he did when when there was like actual football
Speaker 1: going on, he was an actually pretty good football player.
Speaker 1: So yeah, said that is all right, guys, let's let's
Speaker 1: fly here. Well, we don't have to fly, but you can.
Speaker 1: You can break this down, John, I'm gonna throw this
Speaker 1: first email from you. It comes to us from Joe
Speaker 1: and Queen's what's up, guys, I noticed that Trevion Henderson
Speaker 1: has been moving up draft boards. Should I be buying
Speaker 1: or staying away?
Speaker 2: Go Nicks?
Speaker 1: That is Joe in Queens. We appreciate the email. Your
Speaker 1: Knicks aren't doing so good so far tonight, but hey,
Speaker 1: it's the NBA. Anything can happen in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: We look at the ADP John, for one, Trevion Henderson.
Speaker 1: Right now, he has moved up to running back twenty one,
Speaker 1: knocking on the door of the fourth round. He is
Speaker 1: at the five three right now. I'll let you weigh
Speaker 1: in on whether that's a price you'd be willing to pay.
Speaker 1: You feel differently about this new England backfield.
Speaker 2: Look, I do like Henderson. You know, obviously he's going
Speaker 2: in the fourth round.
Speaker 6: Last year he was close to a thousand yards non touchdowns,
Speaker 6: you know, receiving two hundred yards in the touchdowns.
Speaker 2: But I kind of for me, I'm.
Speaker 6: Waiting for Stevenson in the seventh where I can get
Speaker 6: a guy that's gonna get a little bit he dumps,
Speaker 6: you know, out the backfield. He had a little bit
Speaker 6: more receiving yards, receiving touchdowns. They were they were similar
Speaker 6: on the in the in the in the Russian stats.
Speaker 6: So for me, I'm looking at Stevenson would be my
Speaker 6: play and spend up on another play in the fourth
Speaker 6: round that you could get right now, depending if you
Speaker 6: need a receiver or or a running back. I mean,
Speaker 6: Judkins I think is pretty good, so he might be there.
Speaker 1: I I think it's interesting too with like no nobody
Speaker 1: ever come on this show and said, boy, I really
Speaker 1: love drafting Remandre Romandre Stevenson. It's so much fun. Nobody,
Speaker 1: it's not fun. I understand that, But like we're trying
Speaker 1: to win, right and this is a player that could
Speaker 1: be a significant and that should be a significant part
Speaker 1: of the backfield from the NFC champion team last year.
Speaker 1: And you can get by the top thirty running backs
Speaker 1: in the Big Gorilla. You mean, that seems on the
Speaker 1: certain pretty good, especially as as John pointed out, if
Speaker 1: you skip Henderson in the fourth or the fifth round,
Speaker 1: think about that player that you could get there and
Speaker 1: then get Stevenson in the seventh round.
Speaker 2: There there is certainly a path to victory. There one
Speaker 2: more email, Christian. I'll leave this one to you.
Speaker 1: It is from Randy and Sacramento High Christian and John.
Speaker 1: How big of a step forward are Tyler Shook and
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints taking this year? That is Randy
Speaker 1: and Sacramento Randy, who appreciate the email, Christian. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people talking up the Saints offense lately, Jok,
Speaker 1: is it warranted?
Speaker 4: I mean, well, John elites New Orleans blood.
Speaker 2: Which is why I didn't want to ask him this
Speaker 2: the question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you if you saw when we did the
Speaker 5: when we did the draft on the pros versus Joe's,
Speaker 5: and you saw him, you know, getting all excited about
Speaker 5: a lave that year, and and we took him over
Speaker 5: Trenton uh or Traylon Burks or whatever that other you
Speaker 5: know Tennessee guy. And it's there's some about loyalty, there's
Speaker 5: some about passion. But I'm I'm with John. I do
Speaker 5: think Shuck is he showed a lot. He's got an
Speaker 5: incredible coach, offensive minded, there's a lot of weapons there now.
Speaker 2: So to me, like.
Speaker 4: Dynamite. That he's dynamite.
Speaker 5: I I think that that's a very very that's a
Speaker 5: that's a pick that that if if, if I, if
Speaker 5: I can take him, I'll probably take take him as
Speaker 5: a as a backup, as a backup.
Speaker 2: Just don't let him grab Marquez Coast, stay off coast.
Speaker 4: This year.
Speaker 1: You know what's wild too, is we were talking about
Speaker 1: the ADP for Willis in love. Tyler Shuck is quarterback
Speaker 1: eighteen at the fourteen oh five. Guys, that's after he's
Speaker 1: been climbing like he was going even later than that.
Speaker 1: But there's some shuck love coming through right now. John,
Speaker 1: am I pronouncing that right? Is a Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2: Better than me? Hey, this is my guy? Okay, I
Speaker 2: got this.
Speaker 6: This is this is Tyler Shuck. He's gonna be shucking
Speaker 6: oysters like you know. I would say this when last
Speaker 6: year when we started Spencer Rattler, I'm like, what are
Speaker 6: we doing? We go draft this tall guy who's twenty
Speaker 6: something years old, twenty five plus big dudes like six seven,
Speaker 6: Why are we not starting this guy? Finally through the
Speaker 6: season they put him in and you saw what he
Speaker 6: did the last few games. The Saints look good. They
Speaker 6: got a great quarterback, you know, and and they got
Speaker 6: a great quarterback coach and a head coach that and
Speaker 6: Kellen Moore who played the position. So I'm a I
Speaker 6: think and I'm not being a homer at all. I
Speaker 6: just I think the guy is gonna do good this year.
Speaker 6: He's got they they surrounded him with some good players,
Speaker 6: whether it's the running backs, order receivers.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no denying watch out of the Saints
Speaker 2: this year. And guys here in Louisville, every radio jock,
Speaker 2: every local broadcaster on the local sports from the various
Speaker 2: network shows, they all pronounced it differently. It took it
Speaker 2: I never to New Orleans for me to learn how
Speaker 2: to pronounce the D.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well anyway, One thing about that too is just
Speaker 5: real quick ball key is that you know more is
Speaker 5: he's the kind of guy that would that would put
Speaker 5: up thirty points for a player if he has an
Speaker 5: advantage in a game. And I think that's one thing
Speaker 5: I kind of look for sometimes, is which coaches like
Speaker 5: That's one of the reasons I'm not a big Chiefs
Speaker 5: guy is because I don't feel like you're going to
Speaker 5: get that kind of consistency.
Speaker 4: But if if Moore has an edge, he'll just like
Speaker 4: cut people's throats step on him.
Speaker 2: You know they're point he's born.
Speaker 1: And on the last question, Pharrell, I will leave to
Speaker 1: you and I'll you you do how you want. But
Speaker 1: John you can go first on this after Pharaoh ascid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the uh John, you do this question?
Speaker 2: And then Chris Christian will I want you to tell
Speaker 2: me who wanted what? Which horse won the twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby, because that's when I went into retirement from
Speaker 2: horse race after ten years off. In twenty seven, I
Speaker 2: may have to come back riding on your coattails of
Speaker 2: your genius. But okay, guys, we've mentioned a lot of
Speaker 2: players tonight. I want to know somebody we haven't mentioned.
Speaker 2: Somebody you love. You haven't you promised not to hold back?
Speaker 2: Do you telling everyone that tuned in uh to hear
Speaker 2: the pros versus shows line up from the Joe's side,
Speaker 2: exactly what you're going to do, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Tell us one player that we haven't talked about that
Speaker 2: you absolutely love, and then tell me a player that
Speaker 2: you're completely out of No, don't want to have anything
Speaker 2: to do? All right, two questions.
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's tough because the guy that I like,
Speaker 6: we've already mentioned and that you can't mention him. I
Speaker 6: think he's a sleeper, you know. But if if I
Speaker 6: can't go shuck, then that's a tough question. Maybe maybe
Speaker 6: possibly a Shane the running back. I think that if
Speaker 6: he if if in his current situation, if if, if
Speaker 6: he can, if they can give him the ball, he
Speaker 6: can go for a thousand plus and be sneaky. So
Speaker 6: I just think that he's got he's got the talent
Speaker 6: to do it. So for me, if I'm looking for
Speaker 6: a sneaky play, maybe maybe, but I gotta go with Shuck.
Speaker 2: He's he's gonna explode this year. Get it in there
Speaker 2: one more time. Brother than New Orleans Saints quarterback.
Speaker 5: What is his name?
Speaker 2: Tyler? Baby? There you go, man, there you go.
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta love the New Orleans pronunciation of
Speaker 5: of a Shane. He he John has his his uh
Speaker 5: Southern draw.
Speaker 2: And watch out is too, so maybe you get a
Speaker 2: little extra watch out for et N. He's going to
Speaker 2: be a homer. He's the Productsiana. He's coming home to
Speaker 2: run for the Saints, and it's a different story. When
Speaker 2: you get that super Dome and you put on that
Speaker 2: black and gold.
Speaker 6: Baby, So watch watch out for him because Camara, you
Speaker 6: know he's he's a little banged up. They're gonna still
Speaker 6: run Kamar because you know he's he's our guy. But
Speaker 6: watch out for Etn.
Speaker 2: The super Dome is my football home. Baby.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, John, is in your opinion right now?
Speaker 1: What's the percentage chance that Kamara is on the Week
Speaker 1: one roster for New Orleans this year?
Speaker 2: Zero?
Speaker 6: Oh, he's not going to be on the rond No,
Speaker 6: what I'm what I mean is like starting like, I
Speaker 6: don't I don't think healthy enough to start, right?
Speaker 1: I get that, But but what's the percentage chance that
Speaker 1: he is a New Orleans Saints on the roster at all?
Speaker 2: Week one?
Speaker 6: He'll play for free to play for the Saints, and
Speaker 6: well they left him playing, will they the stadium?
Speaker 2: Nobody will show up? Okay, everybody will have his back, right.
Speaker 1: Second part of the question for you, John, before we
Speaker 1: get into Christian, who is off your board? Who's the
Speaker 1: guy that you're you're not gonna have anywhere this year?
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say the top three or four tight ends. Okay,
Speaker 6: I feel that when I'm looking at the board, if
Speaker 6: I'm looking at tight end, I'm saying round seven to
Speaker 6: round seventeen, there is just a plethora of tight ends
Speaker 6: that to me are kind of mid range all the same,
Speaker 6: and I'm just staying.
Speaker 2: Away from the top tight ends. That would be my answer.
Speaker 6: The top let's say Rock Bowers, uh Loveland and you know,
Speaker 6: make Bride. You know, maybe if McBride somehow slipped to
Speaker 6: the bottom of the second round, I'll take him. But
Speaker 6: other than that, I'm and I love tight ends in FPC,
Speaker 6: so in f f PC, so I'm just waiting on
Speaker 6: the tight ends.
Speaker 2: I'm against the top four. Hey, Bunky, Adam Hearn is
Speaker 2: having real problems with he pronouncement.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know Adams, he's the pronunciation guy
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 2: He's, you know, mister Hearn's having all kinds of issues.
Speaker 1: So so McBride, I would say, has slipped a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I think he's coming back up right now. He briefly,
Speaker 1: very briefly, was a second round pick. He's back up
Speaker 1: into the one eleven, one to twelve area. I'm Christian,
Speaker 1: I promise you were going to get to this. But
Speaker 1: I do have to ask Jimmy Williams right now. Oh god,
Speaker 1: where did I see it?
Speaker 2: Now? Where is Jimmy?
Speaker 1: I thought Jimmy had a question. Oh yeah, right here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it up on the screen. Jimmy wants
Speaker 1: to know, John, what you think of Juwan Johnson this
Speaker 1: year in New Orleans.
Speaker 6: I love Kuwan Johnson. He is like a receiver playing
Speaker 6: tight end. He's got speed, He's a big dude. He's
Speaker 6: he doesn't really get if he gets hurt, he plays hurt.
Speaker 6: I think I love him, like if whatever he's in
Speaker 6: right now, wherever he's going right now, I hadn't really looked,
Speaker 6: but uh, oh no, I'm trying to see if I see,
Speaker 6: Oh there he is. He's in the eleventh round. Yeah,
Speaker 6: take I pay up for him. I think Juwan he's
Speaker 6: he's a baller man. He's he's every year I try
Speaker 6: to get him on my squad and he's just one
Speaker 6: of those guys you know, he's he's gonna play hurd
Speaker 6: if he has to tight.
Speaker 1: End twenty right now, as John pointed out eleven oh six,
Speaker 1: this is a player, a tight end coming off a
Speaker 1: seventy seven catch.
Speaker 2: For eight great numbers. Great, He's like he's like a
Speaker 2: fast receiver. Yeah, quite a seventy seven catch tight end.
Speaker 2: And he's the guy that the ball finds him. It
Speaker 2: just finds him. John, I'm going to jazz fast with you, Christian.
Speaker 2: I'm going good Derby with you. I've got twenty twenty
Speaker 2: seven lined down, I mean.
Speaker 1: A show, Christian before we let you guys go give
Speaker 1: us your sleeper and uh and fade that you can
Speaker 1: bring on the show for us tonight to close us out.
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, let me thank Pharel for picking
Speaker 5: a big scab on my on my heart for always
Speaker 5: dreaming winning the Kentucky Derby.
Speaker 2: I believe in twenty seventeen, right, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that uh, that one was in.
Speaker 5: I was in a tournament and I was betting Classic
Speaker 5: Empire and always dreaming, and I ended up instead of
Speaker 5: betting always dreaming to win.
Speaker 4: I bet the exact uh and uh and I and
Speaker 4: I busted out. So thank you.
Speaker 2: Bulky's dear friend, Bulks dear friend dot Brandon Hake gave
Speaker 2: me a tip in January for that horse and uh
Speaker 2: we bet it at the wind Sportsbook at one twenty
Speaker 2: five to one. Oh wow, that was a wonderful experience,
Speaker 2: and I wish you had been on that, but you
Speaker 2: know what, it's been ten years since that, so you
Speaker 2: can you can forget about it and they'll give us
Speaker 2: to your winner. We've got to have you back on
Speaker 2: the show in January where you can tell us who's
Speaker 2: gonna win the Kentucky Derby. But meanwhile we want to
Speaker 2: know all about all about the podcast where people can
Speaker 2: tune in and listen.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well well yeah for the podcast real quick.
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Speaker 5: hardcore tournament guys that that bet for a living.
Speaker 4: So it's it's really just.
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Speaker 4: It's just awesome.
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Speaker 4: But let me answer your question.
Speaker 5: So the first thing I will say is, there's there's
Speaker 5: every year I have to take a stand. I probably
Speaker 5: take a stand on eighty percent of the guys. I
Speaker 5: don't try to win this thing by by just waiting patiently.
Speaker 5: I don't have that kind of patience and just let
Speaker 5: the draw the draft fall to me.
Speaker 4: It's so hard. So sometimes I will if I get
Speaker 4: to a certain place.
Speaker 5: But the first guy I'm going to take a big
Speaker 5: stand against first round You guys, you guys know who
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 1: Well, my first round bust I've been sticking away from.
Speaker 1: I've been staying away from Trey McBride. But we already
Speaker 1: mentioned him, so I don't know if he's your guy
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, who do you think it is?
Speaker 2: Bro? I don't believe in Bust. I'm too positive of
Speaker 2: a person. So round bust. McCaffrey, is it? McCaffrey, Christian,
Speaker 2: Adam and and and Pharaoh?
Speaker 5: You don't you don't sin in sin City? I believe you,
Speaker 5: So I would say I would say that after further inspection,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be avoiding mister mister gent this year.
Speaker 1: This is a spicy Christian we need to hear.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's one of those things where first of all,
Speaker 5: to build is the number one thing. So if you're
Speaker 5: going to build in my world or John and I
Speaker 5: are going.
Speaker 4: To do this, I really think that the receiver position
Speaker 4: is vital early.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a hard time taking a running back
Speaker 5: in that exact position. So that's the number one is
Speaker 5: the build. The second thing is he you know, visually
Speaker 5: doesn't like a stonnt. He doesn't knock the wind out
Speaker 5: of me.
Speaker 4: So he's he's fine.
Speaker 5: But there's also just the history of these second year
Speaker 5: guys that come back in, you know, that don't have
Speaker 5: like amazing numbers. They just I don't know, there's just
Speaker 5: a lot of guys that come to my mind, like
Speaker 5: even though I wasn't like a huge fantasy guy, but
Speaker 5: you know, I'm you know, in my forties, but you know,
Speaker 5: Forte and Doug Martin, Alfred Morris, Jeremy Hill. There's like
Speaker 5: guys that come to my mind that the second year
Speaker 5: they just kind of dip. They didn't they didn't excel,
Speaker 5: and so Maurice Jones, Drew, There's there's a lot of
Speaker 5: these guys that to me are over hyped. He's in
Speaker 5: a system that who knows what's gonna happen. Bowers is
Speaker 5: going to get a lot of I mean, god, he's
Speaker 5: an alien. He's just incredible.
Speaker 4: So like you have you have I don't know, I
Speaker 4: just don't have the faith that he's going to get.
Speaker 5: To the level that he's projected, So I would say
Speaker 5: he's a he's an easy he's an easy bet against
Speaker 5: for me this year.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, okay, I and and uh, I think I think
Speaker 1: where you had me Christian and and this makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: If you are drafting in the back half of the
Speaker 1: first round, that's usually not a spot I like to
Speaker 1: take a running back anyway. And if you skip genty,
Speaker 1: maybe you could get Saint Brown, but you should be
Speaker 1: able to get Jefferson. You should be able to land
Speaker 1: proven players at positions that that don't necessarily go through
Speaker 1: the car accident treatment for injuries throughout the season. So
Speaker 1: I think there's something said it is is there a
Speaker 1: sleeper Christian that you can give us as well tonight?
Speaker 5: And and and again, a couple of other guys can
Speaker 5: my mind Clyde, you know, Clyde, ed Edwards Laire, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, even R Harris, like these guys like they're
Speaker 5: all kind of like they're just they're solid, they're they're
Speaker 5: they're okay. So I'm not gonna bet Okay with my
Speaker 5: first pick. So that's the the number one thing. The
Speaker 5: other guy I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give a
Speaker 5: little bonus. It's not that it's not that sexy though,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna I'm not gonna be using Derrick Henry
Speaker 5: this year either.
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go.
Speaker 4: So I'm also I respect the heck.
Speaker 2: Out of him.
Speaker 4: He's just he's a he's a lion. But I also
Speaker 4: just I can't. I can't do that. So there's other players,
Speaker 4: there's other bills that I would rather do.
Speaker 5: So those would be my two guys that I'm taking
Speaker 5: a heavy, heavy stand against this year. I probably have
Speaker 5: less than you know, best ball, less than two percent
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and then I guess when it comes to
Speaker 4: you know, value, this is.
Speaker 5: This is not easy for me to share because I
Speaker 5: can't tell you everything right now, So I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 2: Kind of I think everybody knows the guy you're going
Speaker 2: to bring up. They may not know the guy, to
Speaker 2: say the guy, they don't know the guy.
Speaker 4: So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna leave a little.
Speaker 4: Since you like it, Spicy Ball, could you.
Speaker 2: Draw a picture of him and hold it up on
Speaker 2: the screen.
Speaker 4: Just because we you know, we're competitors here we are,
Speaker 4: we are in this to for for more than a
Speaker 4: main event.
Speaker 5: It's ego driven, so I'll play I'll play with a
Speaker 5: long shot because I like long shots, and I'll say yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll say I'll say Chris, Chris Braselay.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now what is it about brasl Is it situation? Is
Speaker 2: it talent? What? What? What has you on brasle late.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the it's the number one the value getting
Speaker 5: him in the last couple of rounds. We don't know
Speaker 5: what the drum beats are yet, so we're gonna find
Speaker 5: out in the next month. So it's early and he
Speaker 5: looks like like nothing, then it's it's nothing and we'll
Speaker 5: we'll find out. But the system, I do believe that
Speaker 5: that team is going to get better later in the
Speaker 5: season too. And I do think that that's when you
Speaker 5: want these rookies to develop, is after the work more time.
Speaker 5: And so I'm kind of I'm just he's he's caught
Speaker 5: my eye a little bit. I like the way he moves,
Speaker 5: I like the way he catches. I just think he's
Speaker 5: I think he's underrated. So he's he's a guy I'm
Speaker 5: comfortable sharing in this situation, and hopefully somebody doesn't take him,
Speaker 5: you know, in the last round, and then the shoe's
Speaker 5: but but yeah, I mean, there's a lot of guys. Honestly,
Speaker 5: I'm just against I'm like I said, I'm against about
Speaker 5: eighty percent of the guys in the in the first
Speaker 5: like seven rounds.
Speaker 4: So I'm really strict.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: You got to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you guys are drafting pros
Speaker 1: versus Joe's next month or in early August. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be slamming easy for you the first seven rounds because
Speaker 1: you'll be dialed in and know which.
Speaker 4: Guys you want, which guys I'll take him early. Well, well, John,
Speaker 4: and I will take him early.
Speaker 2: We don't care. I like your style. You know, there's
Speaker 2: some players on the pup and there's some players on
Speaker 2: the I R on the missing person's report. That's okay,
Speaker 2: you know, I really know. I think that's a ballsy
Speaker 2: with that player has some things that like. I want
Speaker 2: both of you guys to come to Kentucky. It'll be
Speaker 2: easy to get John here, It'll be easy to get
Speaker 2: Christma here. John. We have a division named after the
Speaker 2: greatest general manager in the history of football, Jim Thinks.
Speaker 2: So you'll love that. Christian will take you uh to
Speaker 2: Churchill Downs and and and let you stay there as
Speaker 2: long as you want, and then we'll come back and
Speaker 2: then we'll do we'll be with you, We'll and I
Speaker 2: have I have a friend that has produced a Churchill
Speaker 2: Downs board game, and uh, I'm gonna send you. Uh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go and and send you one. And uh
Speaker 2: and John, you'll just have to wait for your New
Speaker 2: Orleans Saints Pharaoh.
Speaker 6: I dressed appropriately. I knew you said it was Groundhog's Day,
Speaker 6: so I wore my live in the Rock, Arkansas. So
Speaker 6: I got my wu pigs, Suie pigs.
Speaker 2: Nobody is gonna hold that against you, especially in Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. Done good. So you're already closer to be
Speaker 2: in here from New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Yes, the gentleman who probably has set a record Tonight
Speaker 1: for longest span in between appearances on this show, John Hurd,
Speaker 1: joining us tonight from season one to now season fifteen.
Speaker 1: That's right at no logistics on on X great stuff.
Speaker 1: The former top ten finisher in the FPC, John, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for making us a part of your
Speaker 1: Evening Tonight.
Speaker 2: Process.
Speaker 1: To Joe's and then Christian Helmer is at raw or
Speaker 1: guy on X you need to check out the horse
Speaker 1: racing show The Price is Wrong, YouTube dot com slash
Speaker 1: the Price is Wrong with two g's that is the
Speaker 1: best way to find it. And Christian, I think with
Speaker 1: everything else going that you have going on x dot com, slash,
Speaker 1: raw or Die, we're gonna find.
Speaker 4: It there, right, Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be putting.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be some announcements may the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's gonna I really love this this community.
Speaker 5: You guys are great. This is like John and I
Speaker 5: met like on the the reality show, became friends. He's like,
Speaker 5: I love betting Big Fantasy Football. Literally the first year
Speaker 5: he got he talked to me to play the main
Speaker 5: event f FPC. We ended up drafting. We picked up
Speaker 5: who was it, Miles Gaskin, and we had so many
Speaker 5: guys that we finished fifteenth in the main event on
Speaker 5: one entry our first year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it opened me.
Speaker 5: And so now we did the High Society for ten
Speaker 5: thousand blew that and a heartbeat and you know, all
Speaker 5: these things got a little full of ourselves, but you
Speaker 5: know this is great. Thanks thanks for you know, for
Speaker 5: taking the time and hopefully we'll see you out in
Speaker 5: Vegas and I'll do a live one out there too.
Speaker 2: So hey, guys, congratulations on y'all show. Y'all have done
Speaker 2: like amazing over the years.
Speaker 6: Man, Seriously, y'all like or the leader in the industry,
Speaker 6: and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I know Christian feels the same way. You guys. Y'all
Speaker 2: really are. Y'all are legends in this in this industry.
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate that for sure, and certainly from Christian
Speaker 1: going from World Series of Horse Racing Champions and FF's
Speaker 1: main event champion this year there it could happen, you guys,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what you're gonna do. If you
Speaker 1: do choose one of the live drafts. We'd love to
Speaker 1: have you back both back on for like a five
Speaker 1: to ten minute interview when we vesus Joe's drafts. That'd
Speaker 1: be tremendous. So thank you once again. I know we
Speaker 1: kept you long tonight, but you guys were fantastic. This
Speaker 1: was so much fun. Keep up all the great work
Speaker 1: both of you guys, and good luck and made the
Speaker 1: ball bounce your way in the FFPC this season. We
Speaker 1: appreciate who that who that Indeed, thanks guys, be good
Speaker 1: talk soon. That is Christian Helmer's and John Hurd third
Speaker 1: place finishers and the Prosers Joe's Barrel. Maybe they win
Speaker 1: the whole thing this year. Maybe they're the first duo
Speaker 1: to win Pros versus Joe's and the main event this year.
Speaker 2: That's not only that it could happen. What do you
Speaker 2: say that about the non zero chance there's a non
Speaker 2: zero chance of anything. Yeah, it's it's great, man. And
Speaker 2: you know the thing about it is that I really
Speaker 2: like what Christian's coming with.
Speaker 5: He he he.
Speaker 2: He puts the double line under and through so many players.
Speaker 2: You know. My situation with drafting is I can find
Speaker 2: something to like about every player, Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: so I just try to grate them as how I
Speaker 2: like him more. If it's probably taking a shortcut and
Speaker 2: find something you don't like about, I'm gonna take him
Speaker 2: off your list. But I think his I think his
Speaker 2: first round pick that makes a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: picking gents as being a player that he does not
Speaker 2: want to get involved with. I think that's a lot
Speaker 2: of logic there, you know, for him, especially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you most I don't like I will
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, like Matthew Berry always says, this. I
Speaker 1: don't hate players. I hate ADPs, and ADP fluctuates players
Speaker 1: throughout the season, right, so I'm always looking at from
Speaker 1: from like if I'm drafting in Kentucky or whatever.
Speaker 2: At a certain point, Yeah, there's players I know I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be out on.
Speaker 1: I know I will not have those players, but if
Speaker 1: ADP shifts a month later or two months later, I
Speaker 1: might be in on them at that point. Now, the
Speaker 1: argument he presented for genty, I think that that to
Speaker 1: me strikes me as even if genty is like a
Speaker 1: round three or Round four player, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If Christian is gonna be them at that point.
Speaker 1: Which is fine. I mean, it's good to have players.
Speaker 1: It's good to have your belief system in place, so
Speaker 1: you know what's going on in the belief system within
Speaker 1: the within the f f PC, k FSC. It is
Speaker 1: so cemented.
Speaker 2: You will have people tell you that Aaron Rodgers it
Speaker 2: was a terrible quarterback last year, but they will beat
Speaker 2: on their chest for Lamar Jackson. And you know, Lamar
Speaker 2: was six and seven last year and there Rogers one
Speaker 2: I thank ten games, you know, So it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's just a fascinating hobby. That's why it makes
Speaker 2: it so great. And know Jimmy Williams does speak nicely
Speaker 2: about us.
Speaker 1: Do yeah, that you gave us and gave us props
Speaker 1: legends Bulky and Farrell. We appreciate that, Jimmy legends in
Speaker 1: our own mind. Perhaps we have to wrap up tonight show, Farrell.
Speaker 2: I know we went a little bit long.
Speaker 1: We're going to record extra reps here with Scott Kobe
Speaker 1: coming up. But I will let everybody know. The KFFFC
Speaker 1: main event is filling up. The KFFFC Sweet sixteen Best
Speaker 1: Ball Championship is filling up. There is a Draftmasters Best
Speaker 1: Ball that is close, very close to filling that I'm
Speaker 1: in compete against me and play against a lot of
Speaker 1: the people we've had on the show KFFFC dot com.
Speaker 1: We just had Greg Wiener on a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He's in the main event Kentucky Slow Draft that I'm
Speaker 1: in right now, and we've been We've been talking about
Speaker 1: it on x and sharing our opinions on each other's team.
Speaker 1: So far, it's been a lot of fun. Check it
Speaker 1: out KFFS. Ferrel, we will talk with you on Friday.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: That is Farrell Elliott, the definitive Commissioner of Fantasy Football. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a marathon show tonight. We revealed all forty two
Speaker 1: joes in the pros versus Joes this year. If you
Speaker 1: are looking for a copy of that in the FFPC
Speaker 1: email that will go out on Friday afternoon Friday morning,
Speaker 1: that's gonna have the full list in there so you
Speaker 1: can check it there. I want to thank Christian Helmer's,
Speaker 1: John Hurd, Farrell Elliott, the FFPC, Rob Rice, and of
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Speaker 1: Yes, well in the never Say Die department. I know
Speaker 1: I talked to Crap about Joe from Queens New York
Speaker 1: Knicks before, but.
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Speaker 2: We love Fantasy football a little bit more. Great show tonight,
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
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