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<v Speaker 1>The hope is that falling in love will bring out

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<v Speaker 1>the best in us, but that's not always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>As twelve year old Jasmine Richardson fell in love with

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<v Speaker 1>her twenty three year old boyfriend Jeremy Steinke, they came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a plan so sinister it had the community

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<v Speaker 1>of Medicine Hat Alberta in complete shock, and a family

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<v Speaker 1>was permanently destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Morning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and graphic contentmentarial for a mature audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener discussion is a US, Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you are listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast. Clankety clink clankity clink clink.

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<v Speaker 2>We're being responsible and hydrating ourself with Good Old. It's

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<v Speaker 2>too old today, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's finally hot in our town, in our town,

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<v Speaker 1>third city, town, community, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, Good Old Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it like thirty degrees or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Celsius should clarify that right now, because people in

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<v Speaker 2>Fahrenheit are probably like, oh, that's cold. Oh yeah, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty degrees celsius right now, which is hot for us yet,

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<v Speaker 2>so we finally have summer right in time for fall.

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<v Speaker 2>To start kicking in pretty quick, so that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw a leaf on the ground already, really

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<v Speaker 1>I did, but I think it was just like the

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<v Speaker 1>tree was dying because there's no sure. Oh yeah it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be. It's too early. It's too early. That

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<v Speaker 1>shit won't happen for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave me like a slight panic attack.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we're damn We're not there yet. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, in the meantime, we're going to hydrate ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>in this hot weather. Actually, fun fact. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I've mentioned it many times before, but I am

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<v Speaker 2>a safety professional at work.

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<v Speaker 1>Right you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Today in my safety meeting at work, I gave a

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<v Speaker 2>good old talk on heat stress and staying hydrated was

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<v Speaker 2>a very important key on that. Oh that's good, So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you can say I'm following my own advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done, Thank you. Well, I am the opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>a safety person and I had a very bad tumble

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<v Speaker 1>on the weekend and fucked myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Up mountain biking. Yeah, I extracurricular.

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<v Speaker 1>I well, I'm learning ish right, And I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>using my front break a little bit too heavily going

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<v Speaker 1>down a hill and I went right over my handlebars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a good old. In the mountain bike community, we

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<v Speaker 2>call it an OTB over the bars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you said that to some of the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what's that? And yeah, I have some massive,

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<v Speaker 1>massive bruises and scabs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you look bad ass now, I do you

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<v Speaker 2>look like you just took someone the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna wear dress actually what today, like a

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<v Speaker 1>really pretty dress and I was like, I just can't

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<v Speaker 1>right now because I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think anyone can sued anytime, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What you well some huge bruises. I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't fit.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair doesn't fit. Should we get onto Patreons? Yeah, Patreon,

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon and patrons. There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>And well the really exciting thing too about these lucky

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<v Speaker 1>Patreons is on Sunday, we'll be dropping our monthly extra episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, the exclusive. Uh so the individuals we had sign

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<v Speaker 2>up for Patreon this week, so special shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>Melissa Harper, Angie Arms McDaniel, Lexi Roy, Amy, Rudy Edge,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jessica Meeks Rutledge Rutledge, Amy Ruttledge. I just I

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<v Speaker 2>read the l is an I for a moment there

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<v Speaker 2>so Amy Ruttledge, I just clued in, so and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Meeks, awesome, awesome, awesome, Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>supporting us over on Patreon. To those who can't support

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<v Speaker 2>us or don't want to, that's totally cool. There's no need.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no hard feelings whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Just appreciate you being here. And to those who do

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<v Speaker 2>decide to go support on Patreon, we appreciate that too,

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much. And yeah, the patrons will

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<v Speaker 2>get that extra exclusive episode coming up at.

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<v Speaker 1>The end of the month, yeah, which is very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we are a day late today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was just going to say that. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>all really because of my injury. Actually I could blame

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<v Speaker 1>it all that, but it's honestly like I started doing

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<v Speaker 1>this case and then there and it was like it

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<v Speaker 1>was all right. But then I saw the book on

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<v Speaker 1>it and I was like, holy, this has like insane amount.

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<v Speaker 1>And one day I read like one hundred pages of

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<v Speaker 1>this book and I was like, uh, yeah, I need

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<v Speaker 1>an extra day, and we're putting a bunch more shit

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<v Speaker 2>That's totally fair. Once in a while we take that

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<v Speaker 2>extra day and we do it just to make sure,

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<v Speaker 2>we get that extra information and we do case justice.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so this is there's a lot of info.

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<v Speaker 1>This is part one. This is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>two parter. Now, it was definitely not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with, but I did not stop it in

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<v Speaker 1>an asshole spot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could very much listen to this and then

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<v Speaker 1>very much to listen to the next one and not

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm a giant jerk. So fair, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I touch on some true crime news that occurred today, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>before we get into the episodes, you do. So we

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<v Speaker 2>had two crazy things get announced today in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>You okay, Well I heard about the one, the John

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<v Speaker 1>Bene Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So the headline from Fox News says this regarding job

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<v Speaker 2>and a John Bine Ramsey crime scene, DNA could be

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<v Speaker 2>id'd in hours, Cold case researchers says, as family pushes

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<v Speaker 2>for answers, so really quick elevator pitch of this article,

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<v Speaker 2>which we will put in the links maybe this episode

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and of course social media elevator pitch. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there is some uh, some DNA that the family pushing

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<v Speaker 2>to get idd it could potentially get turned away, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're really pushing idd and it could help in solving

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<v Speaker 2>the case. So that is really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, because I'm just looking here. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety six that she passed away. Okay, So gosh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be incredible if they were able to solve that, Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be that'd be amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And second piece of incredible news that came out today,

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<v Speaker 2>the infamous Somerton Man mystery may have been solved as

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<v Speaker 2>DNA points to the man's identity. Professor claims that is

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<v Speaker 2>the title of the article on CNN. So basically, a

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<v Speaker 2>professor who has dedicated decades to solving one of Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>most like enduring mysteries claims he's discovered the identity of

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<v Speaker 2>this mysterious Somerton Man. Apparently. He says that the body

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<v Speaker 2>of the man who identified as a Somerton Man was

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<v Speaker 2>one of a man called Carl Charles Webb, an electrical engineer,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's who he claims the mysterious man is in

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<v Speaker 2>this case is from nineteen forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight to so, and so this man was just never identified.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not familiar with this to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a crazy case, okay, And maybe you have

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<v Speaker 2>to cover that. Oh I planned on it one day

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe now have too, sooner than later. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but his findings have been yet to be verified. So

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<v Speaker 2>both the job and a case and this Somerton Man

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<v Speaker 2>case are currently still in the limbo mystery stage, but

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<v Speaker 2>both very well could be solved very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's so good like that they just don't give

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<v Speaker 1>up because and that's the thing. People think they get

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<v Speaker 1>away with shit, but you just might not.

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<v Speaker 2>And the biggest thing is conversations us on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We probably will never solve a case. I mean, that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be absolutely insane if we did. But we probably will

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<v Speaker 2>never solve the case, let's be honest. However, us having

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation can get you guys out there having the conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and it could get someone's name to someone who might

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<v Speaker 2>know something or might end up researching and passing that

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<v Speaker 2>information on and it accumulates and snowballs and years down

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<v Speaker 2>the road, someone might figure it out because someone somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>heard it on our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, it's just saying that these people are not

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<v Speaker 1>they've never gotten forgotten right exactly, Which is it's awesome

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<v Speaker 1>And like true crime, is this a popular thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's great that these things are still talked about

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<v Speaker 1>and still researched and.

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<v Speaker 2>It is and exploring it through conversation like it's the

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<v Speaker 2>best thing you can can do. Like you say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>never been forgotten about and that sums it up beautifully.

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<v Speaker 2>So all done on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I five, Oh, thank you, smack smack.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we took up like almost eight minutes of an

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<v Speaker 2>intro here, so let's get into this epic stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's go okay, okay, this is wild. Okay. I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to say the book, too, is unbelievable because

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<v Speaker 1>they've kind of skimmed and read some other true crime

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<v Speaker 1>books and I'm like, eh, it's kind of boring, but

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<v Speaker 1>this one no. So it's called The Runaway Devil, How

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<v Speaker 1>Forbidden Love drove a twelve year old to murder her

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<v Speaker 1>family And it is by Robert Remington. So I honestly

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<v Speaker 1>suggest reading this you listen to our podcast first and

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<v Speaker 1>then read it. And it is wild, wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Story, roller coaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah, like unbelievable because I can't fit

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<v Speaker 1>everything in the podcast. I wish I could, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>just so much. Okay. So it was April twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six in Medicine hat Alberta, Canada, a

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<v Speaker 1>city of roughly sixty thousand people. Gareth Jacob Richardson's next

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<v Speaker 1>door neighbor and best friend Race next door, after arriving

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<v Speaker 1>home from a morning out to see Jacob. The two

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<v Speaker 1>boys were supposed to have a sleepover at the Richardson's

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<v Speaker 1>house the previous night, but Gareth ended up going to

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<v Speaker 1>a hockey game with his grandma. Good old hockey game

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada, it's pretty typical.

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<v Speaker 2>A hello out there, we're on here. It's hockey night tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>As he peered through the window, he made a haunting

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<v Speaker 1>discovery and raced back to his mum and he said, Mummy,

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<v Speaker 1>there's bodies at Jacob's with blood all over them. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw them through the basement window.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's disturbing in itself, especially for a little boy

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<v Speaker 2>to be saying that. Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think he was only like five or

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would assume she probably didn't believe him at first.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, so Gareth's mom, Sarah looked at him in disrelief,

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<v Speaker 1>but followed Gareth across the driveway. They shared a driveway

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<v Speaker 1>with the Richardsons, and she warned Gareth though that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>better not be lying, that this is not something to

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<v Speaker 1>joke about fair. As Gareth pressed his hands and face

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<v Speaker 1>and she saw the body of a man laying face

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<v Speaker 1>up on the floor in his black boxer sorts. His

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<v Speaker 1>legs and face were coated in blood, so much so

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah couldn't even tell if it was Jacob's dad, Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Richardson or not. He appeared to be reaching out with

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah took her son, fearing the attacker could still be

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, way to jump in head first.

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<v Speaker 2>of time. Okay, yeah, that's page one. Wow, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>So when Inspector Brent Sickendyke arrived at the scene and

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<v Speaker 1>and waited for the backup to arrive. At one pm,

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<v Speaker 1>what they would witness. This is just too much Already,

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<v Speaker 1>blood smears on the wall leading to the upstairs and basement.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, more blood smears in the kitchen near the

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<v Speaker 1>of smeared blood down to the basement. At the base

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<v Speaker 1>lying on the floor in an unnatural position, partly on

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<v Speaker 1>She had a large blood stain around her body on

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, why did we have to bring animals into this?

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<v Speaker 2>That just fucking breaks my heart even more. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>To the left, a burly, dark haired man in his

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<v Speaker 1>The man's hands were clunched upright as if ready to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>His right eye socket was a gaping red wound, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had multiple slices, punctures, and cuts all over his

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<v Speaker 1>Blood was literally splattered all throughout the basement, on the

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<v Speaker 1>exercise equipment, TV and ceiling. Wow, like it would have

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, that is more than a murder scene. That

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<v Speaker 2>is that sounds like a massacre. Holy shit, that's not cool, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets worse As they continued their search, Following this

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<v Speaker 1>smeared blood to the upstairs bedrooms. They would come across

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<v Speaker 1>a girl's pink bedroom. The bed was unmade, but there

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be no signs of violence within the room.

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<v Speaker 1>The scene in the next bedroom was unfortunately drastically more gruesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little boy's room, and on the bed

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<v Speaker 1>lay the body of Jacob in his underwear with a

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<v Speaker 1>large gash in his throat. There was blood on the bed, floor, walls,

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<v Speaker 1>and all over the toys that surrounded him, including his

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<v Speaker 1>Pokemon cards, wrestling figurines, and Star Wars lightsaber. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is the most gut wrenching part here, Like I freaking

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<v Speaker 1>solved when I read this. It was suspected that Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed his lightsaber at one point during the attack and

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I can't shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I bawled my face off. That is just

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my stomach is in fucking notts. Holy shit, that

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the saddest things I think we have

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<v Speaker 2>ever even come close to saying on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I know I'm like spreading I almost left it out,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just it's gut wrenching to like say the.

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<v Speaker 2>Least, and it honestly, I mean, I don't know the case,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure it's very important to understand, like what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>what this end of it, ju ole did And if

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<v Speaker 2>I may say, can Jacob be or badass of the

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<v Speaker 2>day for trying to fight back with his lightsaber?

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<v Speaker 1>Well the dad too, Like I mean, we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>that at some point, but the dad fought, like hell

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<v Speaker 1>okay to like protect and save his family as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So three out of the four members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Richardson family just gone. Jacob was eight years old, Deborah

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<v Speaker 1>was forty eight, and Mark was forty two. Jasmine Richardson was, however,

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<v Speaker 1>missing from the scene. They searched the house numerous times

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<v Speaker 1>for her, but she was not to be found, which

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<v Speaker 1>the police were thankful for. Maybe she had spent the

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<v Speaker 1>night at a friend's house, But they also feared the worse,

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<v Speaker 1>did the person responsible for this scene also abduct Jasmine?

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<v Speaker 1>Was she the ultimate target in this gruesome crime? So

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<v Speaker 1>the police released statement that said they were searching for

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<v Speaker 1>the Richardson's daughter regarding a serious family matter. And sent

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<v Speaker 1>out an amber alert. Jasmine was twelve years old, but

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<v Speaker 1>as the events started being pieced together, they were in

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<v Speaker 1>for a shock of a lifetime. You see, Jasmine wasn't abducted,

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<v Speaker 1>her life was not miraculously spared, nor was she heartbroken

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<v Speaker 1>over the loss of her family, because the deaths of

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<v Speaker 1>her two parents and her little brother were at the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of herself and her twenty three year old boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate, can you repeat that, please?

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<v Speaker 1>The deaths of her two parents and her little brother

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<v Speaker 1>were at the hands of herself and her twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>year old boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a whole shit ton too unpack in that

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<v Speaker 2>sentence right there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a brutal one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's brutal first and foremost, before we get into age.

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<v Speaker 2>You have this individual who slaughtered their family, their little

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<v Speaker 2>brother at the age of twelve, twelve, twelve years old,

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<v Speaker 2>with the help of their boyfriend in their years older. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>holy shit, Yes, it's wild. It's a wild case.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, devastating. So I'm gonna jump back and give some

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<v Speaker 1>backstory on the Richardsons.

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<v Speaker 2>Please do because everyone's everywhere like what.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? So, Mark and Deborah, who both suffered from addiction

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<v Speaker 1>previously before meeting, would marry in nineteen ninety one in

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<v Speaker 1>Ontario and vow to change their lives forever. They would

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<v Speaker 1>have their first child in October of nineteen ninety three, Jasmine,

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<v Speaker 1>and shortly before having their second child three years later, Jacob.

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<v Speaker 1>They would they would move to Aukentalks, Alberta. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>never even heard of this town. It's parents say it's

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<v Speaker 1>like eighteen kilometers south of Calgary, so it's very close.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would have driven through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then. I think that's how you say.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds fun to say, oktos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like an Alberta town. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that rudely at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it sounds like an amber alert town.

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<v Speaker 1>Alberta town.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm pretty sure you said it sounds like an

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<v Speaker 2>amber alert town.

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<v Speaker 1>And the amber alert happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Due no, but I thought you were meaning like, if

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere an amber alert is going to happen, it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like this place. I was God, no, yeah, I was like, holy,

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<v Speaker 2>way to judge. Wow, but okay, thankfully you didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>that that was my assumption.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you assumed wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank God. For a moment I thought you might be

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<v Speaker 2>a monster.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Wow, I'm not a monster.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna do it, but I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Okay, I'm gonna do it. You're monster. There

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<v Speaker 2>we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Okay. Times weren't always easy for the family. Deborah

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<v Speaker 1>would have to get food from the food bank at times,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was always stretching a dollar and making good

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<v Speaker 1>meals for the kids. Mark and Deborah also devoted their

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<v Speaker 1>lives to helping people get off drugs and alcohol, with

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah a mentor and sponsor at Narcotics Anonymous. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's freaking awesome, no kidding, Like really shows what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of people they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In the book regarding this case runaway Devil like, I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned a friend. A close friend said Deborah would sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>call and say, don't need to call me back, just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to let you know that I love you until

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<v Speaker 1>you love yourself. Her famous words were I love the

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<v Speaker 1>bones and the skin you're in. Like that sounds so nice,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding. Another one that described the family would say

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<v Speaker 1>they were a loving family and treated each other with respect.

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<v Speaker 1>In September of two thousand and three, the family would

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<v Speaker 1>get some good fortune when Mark, who had upgraded his

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<v Speaker 1>courses in electrical engineering, was promoted in his career with

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<v Speaker 1>Encana Corporation, which is a large Canadian oil and gas company.

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<v Speaker 1>The company even paid for the family to move to

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<v Speaker 1>Medicine Hat, which really excited them. It was about a

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<v Speaker 1>three hour move away from where they were currently living.

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<v Speaker 1>They had gone from relying on getting food from the

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<v Speaker 1>food bank at one point in their lives to now

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<v Speaker 1>having workers pack and move their belongings to their newly

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<v Speaker 1>purchased family home in the suburban neighborhood of Rose Glenn.

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<v Speaker 1>Their hard work showed, and they didn't seem to take

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<v Speaker 1>it for granted either. Like does this family not sound amazing?

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<v Speaker 2>They sound like they are picture perfect out of a

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<v Speaker 2>Hallmark movie at this point. Yeah, Like I quite literally

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<v Speaker 2>am like picturing their house with like fake snow on

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<v Speaker 2>the front lawn, like Christmas lights and the dad's putting

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<v Speaker 2>up a reindeer on the roof and rocking around the

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas trees playing well, mom's taking cookies, Like holy.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, Yeah, I would honestly say, all that's probably true.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Their son, Jacob was described as joyful and energetic. His

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<v Speaker 1>teachers referred to him as the class clown in his

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<v Speaker 1>kindergarten year book. He wrote that he wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>a policeman or a soldier when he grew up, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, and that the thing he liked best about

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<v Speaker 1>himself was that he has a family and is very fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, can you please stop fucking pulling at

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<v Speaker 2>my heart? Holy shit, I know, I know, Oh my

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<v Speaker 2>fucking god. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>As for Jasmin, well, maybe she was pure and innocent

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<v Speaker 1>at one time in her life, but she definitely took

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<v Speaker 1>a very dark turn when the family moved to Medison

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<v Speaker 1>Hat Jasmine was going into grade five, she decorated her

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<v Speaker 1>room with treasures typical for an innocent preteen, stuffed animals,

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<v Speaker 1>sheer white canopy over her single bed, collection of books,

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<v Speaker 1>and the usual girlish clutter of scarfs, pens, body lotion,

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<v Speaker 1>and a small wooden jewelry box with glass doors. Jasmine

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<v Speaker 1>was described as happy and social who shared her mom's

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<v Speaker 1>luminous smile. She attended a Catholic school and didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to struggle making new friends. It would be in grade six, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that Jasmine would start to change her Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair, I think at grade six we all

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<v Speaker 2>started to change.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's a fucked up age.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you go through a whole lot of shit. There's hormones,

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<v Speaker 2>there's you notice things, things are changing with things around

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<v Speaker 2>you and with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And in grade six or maybe more so like seven eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean once you start getting there, things start happening. Yeah,

427
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<v Speaker 2>whether it's like immediate like a lot of shit. And

428
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not necessarily just talking puberty, but personality changed too, right, well.

429
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<v Speaker 1>When she was an early bloomer, which will get to

430
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<v Speaker 1>which I think doesn't help with a lot of things.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, So don't I don't want us to start

432
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<v Speaker 2>judging her just because she started changing, because at that age,

433
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<v Speaker 2>we all fucking know.

434
00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:12.039
<v Speaker 1>That's totally fair. That's totally fair. So it was grade

435
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<v Speaker 1>six though, oh I already said that jazz and search

436
00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.759
<v Speaker 1>exchange bla blah. Her and some of her friends began

437
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<v Speaker 1>to question the formal religion taught at their school, including

438
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<v Speaker 1>the concept of hell. Jasmine seemed to absorb her mother's

439
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>New Age interests, which included rey k Riky crystals and meditation.

440
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:36.480
<v Speaker 1>She also became interested in Wicca, which is a predominantly

441
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Western movement whose followers practice witchcraft and nature worship, and

442
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.759
<v Speaker 1>who see it as a religion based on pre Christian traditions.

443
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<v Speaker 2>Which again Wicka has another bad ambience around it, sort

444
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<v Speaker 2>of thing.

445
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<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily yeah, but it's not bad. It didn't

446
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<v Speaker 1>seem all bad from what I read.

447
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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not necessarily black magic. No, though some do

448
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<v Speaker 2>correlate the two that way and do practice that, but

449
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<v Speaker 2>that is not standard.

450
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just because you have an interest in that, I

451
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<v Speaker 1>don't think right away you'd be like, oh my gosh,

452
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that person's sketch, right, So you wouldn't.

453
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.359
<v Speaker 2>It's just like we have a true crime podcast, but

454
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<v Speaker 2>we're not gonna go fucking murder someone. Some people think that.

455
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>We've had people question that already, and it's we.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Talked about that. Oh my gosh. So on her wall,

457
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<v Speaker 1>out of black tape, she did she did up the

458
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<v Speaker 1>pentagram symbol, which was like kind of an odd appearance

459
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<v Speaker 1>in her like little girl room. You know, it was

460
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<v Speaker 1>probably like a kind of a first sign ish, right.

461
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<v Speaker 1>So she also started testing the limits of authority and

462
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<v Speaker 1>at the Medicine hat Mall, she was drawn to the

463
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<v Speaker 1>teens from the local goth crowd. Soon her and her

464
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<v Speaker 1>friends would start adopting the goth look. Her wardrobe change

465
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<v Speaker 1>to be more black, She started applying darker and more

466
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<v Speaker 1>heavy makeup. She occasionally wore a choker and an oversized

467
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<v Speaker 1>hoodie with the logo of a heavy metal band. One

468
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<v Speaker 1>of her favorites at the time was the Misfits.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Misfits are awesome.

470
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they actually named a lot of bands, And I

471
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<v Speaker 1>really would not have known if it wasn't for you.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough. I have a feeling that a lot

473
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<v Speaker 2>of her her musical interests would have lined up a

474
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<v Speaker 2>lot with me, I think so.

475
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<v Speaker 1>So she started being feared and avoided at school, with

476
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<v Speaker 1>teachers often concerned over her appearance and how she acted.

477
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<v Speaker 2>Feared and avoided. Oh, I guess this is like a

478
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<v Speaker 2>religious a strict religious schoo Well, and I.

479
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<v Speaker 1>Mean she was starting to like wear pretty dark makeup

480
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<v Speaker 1>and dark clothes.

481
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<v Speaker 2>And well, I mean that I wouldn't like, thinking back

482
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<v Speaker 2>to high school. I know people who were like that

483
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.640
<v Speaker 2>in high school, and it's like teachers and stuff weren't

484
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>fearful of them, you know. But I could see it

485
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:51.359
<v Speaker 2>maybe being a little more predominant in a say, for example,

486
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 2>a heavily Catholic school. Yeah, because I mean that is

487
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<v Speaker 2>going to more correlate to you know, satanic worship and stuff,

488
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<v Speaker 2>whereas general public it's not. It's just all that person's goth,

489
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>which is just like clothes.

490
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know, yeah, in like a public school, it

491
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<v Speaker 1>might not be as noticed kind of thing.

492
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I think so.

493
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

494
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<v Speaker 2>So.

495
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<v Speaker 1>By the summer of two thousand and five, between grades

496
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.839
<v Speaker 1>six and seven, Jasmine was physically more mature than most

497
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 1>of her friends. She was only eleven, but looked much

498
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 1>older and could easily pass for fifteen or sixteen, Like way,

499
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>looked way.

500
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Older, to be fair, to be fair, some people, some

501
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:38.039
<v Speaker 2>people might get that reference anyways. To be fair, I'm

502
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure that most kids nowadays who are like fucking

503
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 2>ten twelve do look like they're sixteen anyways.

504
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh nowadays. Yeah, but this was back in like

505
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 1>oh five or six.

506
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough.

507
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Like, sh shouldn't she be wearing like fucking butterfly clips

508
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and shit? Am I around that?

509
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Just because that's what you for doesn't mean that's what

510
00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>everyone else bought.

511
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I'm still probably wearing those in the

512
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.039
<v Speaker 1>grade eleven.

513
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Shit, I'm pretty sure you still have butterfly hair.

514
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know you sure I still have like my

515
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 1>polly pockets and stuff. Though, point proven they as are.

516
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm keeping those for life. Man, those are sweet. Not

517
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>that I like play with them. They're keepsake ban.

518
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, they're collectibles. Yeah, it's not a toy. It's an

519
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 2>action figure, right, I.

520
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Know, my keepsake being probably some weird shit there.

521
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I've got action figures and they're displayed on our shelf

522
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:27.319
<v Speaker 2>right now. So I can't judge.

523
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>You can't judge at all. Definitely not okay, So this

524
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 1>is interesting. In the book I read, it mentioned research

525
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 1>has shown that girls who reach early puberty are at

526
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:44.599
<v Speaker 1>risk for delinquency and aggressive behavior, and are also more

527
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 1>likely to be depressed socially withdrawn, moody, and sexually active,

528
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>which kind of all makes sense a little bit.

529
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, doesn't that all just come with hormones

530
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>and puberty.

531
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, it does a little bit. But like I think

532
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 1>they're probably feeling a bit like uncomfortable in their body

533
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 1>when like other people in their age aren't where they're at,

534
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and so then they act out or they even like

535
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>they are getting bullied about it. Yeah, like I could

536
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 1>see developing early being not easy.

537
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I can see it too. I just question the fact

538
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 2>that it took a scientific team to come up with that.

539
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, doesn't it take a scientific team to

540
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>come up with everything?

541
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough?

542
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean that nicely, do you? Okay? So in August

543
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and five, still eleven, Jasmine started dabbling

544
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 1>on online social networking sites, which I feel like was

545
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 1>not a good decision at what age eleven?

546
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's a little early. I guess.

547
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

548
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was on MSN and all that stuff

549
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:48.039
<v Speaker 2>back in the day.

550
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, it's just like she could go selth like.

551
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think I could have a kid. I'd

552
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>just lock them up like they're they're not allowed to

553
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 1>go anywhere.

554
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I just want to sum this up because I've been

555
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of cutting in a lot here, But to sum

556
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 2>it up, I just I don't see a major problem

557
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>with her actions yet. No, I know what it does

558
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>later clearly have a problem with that.

559
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 1>You'll they'll start getting a little bit more sketch.

560
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 2>As for now, it just seems like your typical teenager

561
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>going through.

562
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Something a little young though, Like I gosh, I'm just

563
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:18.839
<v Speaker 1>trying to remember what the hell I was doing at eleven.

564
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what grade is that that's like

565
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.079
<v Speaker 1>grade five. Okay, I definitely was not on the fucking computer.

566
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 1>I was probably still making my advice and.

567
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Shit grade five, oh shit really? Oh yeah, I was

568
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 2>playing Pokemon, yeah, a game boy.

569
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't think i'd be showing because

570
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I said it. Where was it? Okay? No? Grade six? No?

571
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, I just think I would be still like

572
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty innocent at that age. But I mean, everyone develops differently, fair.

573
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 1>So she started with mind whiz dot Com, listing her

574
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 1>orientation as bisexual and describing herself as single with a dog,

575
00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and like, I'm sorry, but at that age, I don't

576
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>even know if I necessarily have known what bisexual was.

577
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Her profile picture consisted of her holding a realistic looking

578
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 1>replica handgun in her right hand and pointing it towards

579
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling.

580
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 2>I do want to touch on the bisexual thing. I mean, like,

581
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>things have evolved a lot since the early two thousands.

582
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't much of a topic for us when we

583
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.279
<v Speaker 2>were that age. Yeah, so yeah, it would be a

584
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.319
<v Speaker 2>little bit more rare for someone to have that conversation. Yeah,

585
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>but if they felt that way, I mean I'm sure

586
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 2>that they would know inherently you're right.

587
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Nowadays, that probably wouldn't be abnormal to know that.

588
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Definitely not. No, I think that's a good thing.

589
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, it is a good thing. Actually, yeah, so I'll

590
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>actually post a photo of I think that's the photo,

591
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a post of her holding the replica handgun, because it

592
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>is literally mind blowing that in that fucking photo she's eleven. Like,

593
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.839
<v Speaker 1>there's just no way, There's just no way. I don't know. Okay.

594
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Then she was on MySpace, where she had the username

595
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>x Underscore Madness Underscore x and listed her age as sixteen,

596
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>listing her interests as hatchets, serial killers, criminal psychology, blood moonlight,

597
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 1>human anonymy, and kinky shit and kinky shit, also listing

598
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dalmer as a hero

599
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.519
<v Speaker 1>along with Chris Angel and a few heavy metal artists.

600
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Chris Angel we can barely consider him a heavy metal artist.

601
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>No, he no, along with Chris Angel, and oh well

602
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 1>he was he was.

603
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 2>He he's a musician as well.

604
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought he was just a magician.

605
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 2>He was a magician and a musician. You know that

606
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>song I am a mind for he sold mine for?

607
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was him? It Okay, because yeah, he was

608
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>like you'd consider him probably goth right, little goth.

609
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, his style, I would say, is goth.

610
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Yah, yeah, which I mean, okay, all, that's pretty much fine.

611
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 1>The kinky shit's okay. No, Actually, no, being interests of

612
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>serial killers, well, I guess that. Fuck. I don't even

613
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>know if I can say, because with that be one

614
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of my interests, there's a line. Shit, and like having

615
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Dahmer is a hero, Yes, that's fuck.

616
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.000
<v Speaker 2>That's where it kind of gets into it. If you

617
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 2>have an interest in serial killers, I think there is

618
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 2>a problem in my opinion, and I could be wrong,

619
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.079
<v Speaker 2>and it may not be one hundred percent of the time.

620
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.079
<v Speaker 1>But it would be an interest in like true crime.

621
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an interest in the stories. It's an interest

622
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 2>in what happened. It's an interest in understanding all the dynamics.

623
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 2>But saying I like the serial killers that I think

624
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>is not cool because I love true crime. I fucking

625
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 2>hate Cereal kills.

626
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they're assholes, They're nasty. What do you say?

627
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Douche canoes?

628
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Douche canoes to the nines.

629
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>So when she started grade seven that fall, the change

630
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.359
<v Speaker 1>in Jasmine was very noticeable and dramatic as for the

631
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>school counselor short skirts, chains, fishnet stockings, spiked callers, blackmeshed

632
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 1>and heavy eye makeup with eye accents of teardrops and

633
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>stars drawn in black eyeliner, which all was very much

634
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>so breaking the school's dress code. As you could imagine,

635
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Shortly after Jasmine's twelve birthday, she would be introduced to

636
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Stanky in the mall and she was very much

637
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>so drawn to him. He was hyper and the center

638
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:32.280
<v Speaker 1>of attention. People really loved him. Around this time, Jasmine

639
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 1>would also start getting into arguments with her parents. They

640
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>did not approve of her older male friends, and rightfully so,

641
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:45.760
<v Speaker 1>along with Raven who was nineteen and trench Coat, who

642
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 1>was in his early twenties. Trench Coat, yep, these are

643
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 1>two people's names.

644
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>You know you're a winner if your nickname is trench Coat,

645
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 2>if that's what people go by, good old trench Coat.

646
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>So those were two of her friends that were just

647
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.880
<v Speaker 1>like friends. There was Jeremy who was twenty seven years old,

648
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>that's eleven years older than Jasmine. Now, Jeremy was a

649
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 1>high school dropout with a history of violence. To say,

650
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 1>his upbringing wasn't great would be an understatement. His mother

651
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>was an alcoholic and she had terrible partners over the

652
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>years that abused him like very much, so abused him.

653
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 1>He also started down a path of drugs and alcohol

654
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 1>in his early teen years, including pot, ecstasy, acid, and mushrooms.

655
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>His mom said he suffered from ADHD and at one

656
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>point tried to hang himself, saying he wished he was

657
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>never born. He was also a cutter.

658
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Damn.

659
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if I need to elaborate on

660
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 1>what a cutter is.

661
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.639
<v Speaker 2>No, And I mean that's super unfortunate. Honestly, I know

662
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>some people in real life who did that in their

663
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 2>early years and stuff. And it's not not something to

664
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>joke about. No, it's very unfortunate.

665
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was actually a stat Oh my gosh, I

666
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I could find really quickly in here

667
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 1>about how this many people actually do this, Like it

668
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 1>was like, whoa.

669
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>It's actually quite prevalent.

670
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I feel like it said it was, oh,

671
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>my Internet's not going to be nice to me, like

672
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 1>twenty percent or wow or something. Okay, So I found

673
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 1>this just distict and what it says is that one

674
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.599
<v Speaker 1>in every two hundred adolescent girls between the age of

675
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 1>thirteen and nineteen regularly cut themselves.

676
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's still high, but it's definitely lower than twenty.

677
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is lower, but I that is like a

678
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 1>lot higher than I anticipated it to be.

679
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>That is still significant.

680
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I was like, holy, Okay. So it wasn't

681
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>until the summer of two thousand and five that Jeremy

682
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.639
<v Speaker 1>started to go goth. He was looking for a new

683
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.119
<v Speaker 1>crowd and they were very accepting of him, which I

684
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.639
<v Speaker 1>have heard that of people who are goth, right, like

685
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 1>they're very accepting.

686
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, like I've been kind of not goth, but

687
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 2>like punk. I've been kind of part of that scene

688
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>throughout my life, and people in that sort of genre

689
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>they're generally outcast themselves. So if you feel like you're

690
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.119
<v Speaker 2>fitting in with them, they accept that. They're not going

691
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to fight back because they know what it feels like.

692
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>So they're usually open arms in those sort of crowds.

693
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, so, and Jeremy enjoyed hanging out with

694
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>a younger crowd. Though his mom never admitted to drinking

695
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 1>during her pregnancy, it was speculated that Jeremy had fetal

696
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>alcohol spectrum disorder, and apparently the desire to hang out

697
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>with a younger crowd is common among people with this disorder.

698
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Their developmental problems often include scented growth and lower mental

699
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 1>and emotional capabilities than others in their age group. So

700
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>though they have a desire to have friends, they can

701
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.119
<v Speaker 1>often be rejected by their peers because of their social immaturity.

702
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.639
<v Speaker 2>So just kind of like what I said, we have

703
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.559
<v Speaker 2>two people who are trying to fit in right, and

704
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.840
<v Speaker 2>once they find someone else like them, they're going to

705
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>be open arms. Yeah, so we kind of almost have

706
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.679
<v Speaker 2>a perfect storm between these two. One who's not fitting

707
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>with their peers because they're outgrown them, for lack of

708
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>better words, and one who is not fitting with their

709
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>peers because their peers are outgrowing them, for lack of

710
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 2>better terms.

711
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, and this is the other thing I really

712
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 1>wanted to know. Jeremy was also described as hyperactive. His

713
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.159
<v Speaker 1>mom described him as ADHD, and it's common to suffer

714
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:36.280
<v Speaker 1>from both. So people with fetal alcohol effects and ADHD

715
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 1>can be impulsive and can put themselves in dangerous situations

716
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 1>without thinking about the consequences, which I think really needs

717
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>to be mentioned in this case. More commonly, what you

718
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>might hear about Jeremy though, is that he like this

719
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>is like all this other stuff that I said was

720
00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in the book, But when you read like news stories,

721
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 1>it's often that he wore a vile of blood around

722
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.320
<v Speaker 1>his neck, claiming he liked the taste of blood. He

723
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.880
<v Speaker 1>was a self proclaimed three hundred year old werewolf and

724
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.039
<v Speaker 1>a soul eater. Wow, that would be like kind of

725
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>how the media described him. Jasmine and Jeremy would start

726
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>casually seeing each other in December of two thousand and five,

727
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>and around February of two thousand and six, Jeremy sent

728
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine an email asking her to be his girlfriend, to

729
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>which she said yes. And you could say the pair

730
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>might not have been the best influence on each other.

731
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>One thing I should note too, is like Jeremy didn't

732
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>realize how old Jasmine was exactly. Like I think he

733
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>thought that she was like fifteen or something, which is

734
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:53.840
<v Speaker 1>still way too young that is, but I mean her

735
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 1>profile online did say she was sixteen years old. Yeah,

736
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.519
<v Speaker 1>and she didn't realize some of the stuff I read

737
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 1>how old exactly he was, So I don't know, I

738
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 1>don't know. The two of them communicated through VampireFreaks dot Com,

739
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 1>which is currently an online clothing store, but up until

740
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty was a social networking site. And Next how

741
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:17.840
<v Speaker 1>do you say that.

742
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Nextopia, Nextopia or Nextopia?

743
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so pa and which is a Canadian networking website.

744
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy went By Soul Eater and Jasmine Runaway Devil. They

745
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 1>confess their love to each other over Messenger at the

746
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>beginning of March, so like, that's very soon. They pretty

747
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>much were official and like around Valentine's Day and then

748
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>beginning of March they're like telling each other they love

749
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>each other.

750
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding, but.

751
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean lots of times at young ages.

752
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Yea, Yeah, things go really fast. It's lust and you

753
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 2>don't quite understand it and.

754
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 1>It could have been like first love kind of thing.

755
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

756
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>So a few days after, Jeremy wrote Jasmine song titled

757
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Till death do We Part and I'll bless your ears

758
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>with it.

759
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Let's hear it.

760
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>You're the blood that flows through my veins. You're the

761
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>sun breaking through the clouds when it rains. My love

762
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:18.320
<v Speaker 1>is for you forever as we die here together, We'll

763
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:24.039
<v Speaker 1>be together forever till death do we part. And then

764
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>he signed it off, hope you enjoy, love you tons later,

765
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 1>cuddle Bunny, and he went later as like I had

766
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to look this up because like, yeah, I was like

767
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>what does that mean? And I just like I should

768
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 1>have known, but it's been a wall. It's been a wall.

769
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's how he spelled later.

770
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

771
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine's relationship with her parents, as you could imagine, was

772
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>steadily declining. Yeah, I would assume so after leaving her brother. Okay,

773
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 1>this is so. At one point she left her brother

774
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 1>alone while she was supposed to be baby sitting him

775
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and they were at like a work function, and so

776
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>they grounded her indefinitely because he got scared. I mean

777
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 1>he was like eight and called and was like I'm

778
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>home alone when she was supposed to be babysitting, Like

779
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck. They also started monitoring her computer pages,

780
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.760
<v Speaker 1>eventually deciding to box up their computer altogether so she

781
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 1>could no longer use it. This soever didn't stop Jasmine.

782
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think a lot of things parents do,

783
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:28.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like they just find a way, right.

784
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, kids will always find a way. The best thing.

785
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm no parents, I don't know, but from

786
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 2>my experience, what my parents did with me. The best

787
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>thing to do is be involved, be involved with it. Yeah,

788
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.119
<v Speaker 2>because I was starting to get to the age where

789
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 2>I was going to go out and you know, have

790
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.920
<v Speaker 2>some drinks with friends and party when I was under age.

791
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Not to you know, criminalize my parents here with this,

792
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.480
<v Speaker 2>but they would bootleg for me. They would go buy

793
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 2>me alcohol, and they would tell me, Okay, as long

794
00:42:58.440 --> 00:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>as you have the money, we'll buy it for you.

795
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Drink responsibly, tell us where you are, tell us when

796
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you need to be picked up, doesn't matter the time, whatever,

797
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 2>we will be there. We will get you. And that

798
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 2>honesty kept a lot open.

799
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>You would have found a way to get that alcohol.

800
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Regardless of that.

801
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent.

802
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my parents were pretty involved too, So like if

803
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I wanted alcohol as well, I would be able to

804
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>just get it from them.

805
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Not to say you should go buy your underage

806
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 2>kids alcohol. That's not what I'm saying.

807
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 1>No, But like, yeah, the involvement and stuff, I don't know. Yeah,

808
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 1>but honestly, sometimes I think you could probably just do

809
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 1>anything and it's not going to work either.

810
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 2>That's true, But work with them, not against them, you

811
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:41.559
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

812
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>So she would just go about using the computers at

813
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.559
<v Speaker 1>the public library, like done right, and she would go

814
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.280
<v Speaker 1>about imagining her life what her life would be like

815
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>without parents. After completing some successful family counseling sessions, Mark

816
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and Debra decided to let jazz and go to one

817
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of the punk shows to see her friends, with the

818
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 1>stipulation that they attended with her. I mean, she's twelve, right.

819
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like that's that bad.

820
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.760
<v Speaker 2>That's not outrage I don't even.

821
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of parents probably wouldn't even let them

822
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 1>go at twelve, right, that's like really young, that is young.

823
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.599
<v Speaker 1>But that proved to be a disaster because at one

824
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>point she wandered off and was later found in the

825
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 1>back alley making out with Jeremy. That's when the real

826
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 1>punishment started. She was grounded for a month, no phone

827
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>or computer privileges, not allowed to listen to music. They

828
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>took away her eyeliner and hair straightener, and she was

829
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>to go directly to school and home afterwards. All friends

830
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 1>were turned away at the door. So boom, they're like

831
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>putting their foot down here.

832
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, I mean, rightfully?

833
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 1>So yeah. So Jasmine, though, felt like she was a

834
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 1>prisoner in her own home and grew increasingly angry, angry

835
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>about her lack of freedom and privacy. On March twentieth,

836
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 1>she wrote to Jeremy Rarr, I hate them, so I

837
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>have this plan. It begins with me killing them and

838
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 1>ends with me living with you. So we are set.

839
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try and call you, but I really

840
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I'll be able to. They are treating

841
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>me like shit. I hate them so much, but I

842
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 1>hope this won't bring us apart. I hope to talk

843
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to you soon, and I love you with all my

844
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:30.199
<v Speaker 1>heart love.

845
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, there's a lot of emotion in that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next day Jeremy wrote back and said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I love your plan, but we need to get a

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<v Speaker 1>little more creative with like details and stuff. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't treat you that way, Gurr. It angers me

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<v Speaker 1>to hear that I dislike them very much. Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you too, my sexy beast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay that was a bit much.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay your eye rolls, I just can see and go up.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope to hear from you soon. To take care

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<v Speaker 1>of my love. You have the key to my heart,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon enough you shall have my heart if I

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<v Speaker 1>die anyway, because if I give it to you now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll die then and you won't be able to hear

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<v Speaker 1>me say how much I love you love xoxo.

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<v Speaker 2>Xo xox So that's very gossip Girl of him. Wow, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ashamed that I know that. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, he went XO xoxo in gossip Girl. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just xoxo gossip Girl. Still, anyway, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>a bit much.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a bit much for sure, Like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit much. I'm a little done with that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of shit emails I read.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going I think it's a bit much, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to judge him on that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>young love and with the potential alcohol feed al alcohol

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<v Speaker 2>syndrome was.

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<v Speaker 1>It, yes, fetal alcohol syndrome disorder and ADHD. I know, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but the yeah, and he's showing his affection

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, but it's like it's a bit over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit over the top for me. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>not to say anyone can be like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what the fuck, I've never received any love notes

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you get a go fuck yourself instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, bring maybe I need to find a Jeremy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So on March twenty fourth, Jeremy posted a poem on

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<v Speaker 1>his next Opia how do you say that shit nextopia

883
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:41.039
<v Speaker 1>or next Opia page that read my and like this

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<v Speaker 1>shit's public. This is the thing that's just like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just not very smart. So my girlfriend's family are totally unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>They say that they really care, They don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>is going on. They just assume. As their greed continues

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<v Speaker 1>to consume, she is slowly going insane. She continues to

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<v Speaker 1>think that I came into her life to help her

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<v Speaker 1>out and to stop what they keep trying to shout.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all total bullshit their throats. I want to slit.

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<v Speaker 1>They will regret the shit they have done, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>I see to it that they are gone. They pay

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<v Speaker 1>for their insolence. Finally they shall be silence. Their blood

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<v Speaker 1>shall be payment.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's that's incriminating. If there's anything I've ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>that is incriminating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, And right there, we're stopping the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, of course you are, so next episode. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought you said you weren't leaving us on a cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 1>That's alanger. I've given so many details.

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<v Speaker 2>Still we are at the point where we know he

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<v Speaker 2>is about to converse about committing this.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt it was a very kind spot. So next

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<v Speaker 1>episode we'll be talking about the final days leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to the murders, Jeremy's final words to Jasmine's dad, and

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<v Speaker 1>the aftermath that entailed, including how they spent their time

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<v Speaker 1>before being caught, which is just disgusting, and the punishments

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<v Speaker 1>they received or the lack thereof.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So tune in next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Tune in next time to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to get more announcing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I could do it really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do it, do it? Let's hear it. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll both do our best announcer voice. Let's do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tune in next time to Wicked and Graham. That was

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<v Speaker 1>actually pretty shitty.

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<v Speaker 2>Really like this. You gotta get like authority. Authority.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I see how you're setting yourself up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna lose shoulders math right, So you go tune

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<v Speaker 2>in next time to Wicked and Grim like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's how you can finish all of our episode.

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<v Speaker 1>From here on out, Ben will become an announcer at

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<v Speaker 1>the very end of every podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>How I'll do our outro a whole like Patreon social

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<v Speaker 2>media speel like this. Okay, le's that I can do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>For the record, this is completely improv so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have scriptures.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell this is fucking improv.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So well, thank you very much for being here

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<v Speaker 2>with us today on Wicked and Grim. We appreciate every

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<v Speaker 2>single one of you. Coming from the bottom of our heart,

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<v Speaker 2>we sincerely do mean that. If you want to support us,

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<v Speaker 2>you can find all of our social links down in

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<v Speaker 2>the description of this podcast. We have Instagram, Facebook, website,

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<v Speaker 2>We're even on Reddit. If you want to supportus on Patreon,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go ahead and do that too, But don't worry,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not necessary. We appreciate every single one of you regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>We love you. Thank you so much for being here,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course don't forget too, Stay Wicked.