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much for your support. Let's get into TikTok, shall we,

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because all of the stuff. If you think TikTok is bad,

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oh man, deep Seek Deep Seek is way worse, way,

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way worse. So first let's explore TikTok a little bit

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and all of the hullabaloo over the social media app

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that one hundred and seventy million Americans use. That's like

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half of us. That's crazy, one hundred and seventy million Americans. Now,

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before I go into this, I think there are a

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couple things that must be defined right up front. So

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my card's on the table here. I'm not on TikTok.

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Just for the record, I'm not on TikTok. I would

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never be on TikTok. There's a reason why government, state,

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local national have banned it on any of the government

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laptops and phones and such. So the first thing, and

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this goes to what I just said there is we

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have to answer the first question, which is does the

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Chinese Communist Party control it in some way or do

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they benefit from it in some way? Okay, that's the

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first question. And while the Chinese government being commies and all,

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just because they don't technically quote unquote own it over

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in that communist country, that is a distinction without a difference.

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Because over in China they've got laws. I mean, yes,

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they could change their laws whenever they want to, it's

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the beauty of being a communist regime. But they have

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a law over there that allows the government to take

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whatever it wants from any business. So if the Chinese

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Communist Party asks for something, and I say asks with

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big fat air quotes around that, if they ask for something,

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the businesses turn it over. Okay. So there is effectively

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no real distinction or difference, I should say, between TikTok

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and the Communist Party. It has an outward facing facade

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of private ownership and investment, but the back end that

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you don't see is what the Communist Party has access

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to and or controls. And in my mind, again cards

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on the table, I don't see any difference there. That

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is a government controlled app because the company cannot do

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anything if the government doesn't allow it to do so.

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In economic terms, this is a fairly fascistic model. The

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outward veneer of a free operating you know, business or

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corporate entity, but behind the scenes everything is regulated and

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run by the government. So does the Communist Party control it?

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I submit? Yes, you may come to a different conclusion,

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but I would submit you are incorrect, so, but that's

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my opinion. Number two, is the Communist Party materially different

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than a private US company? Right? Are? These are first

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principles here in discussing the TikTok issue, you have to

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address these. In my mind that the Communist Party running China,

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I submit, is in fact materially different than private US

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businesses that operate competing social media apps. Because while the

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government in America may actually go and cajole or ask

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request or pressure companies to do things, to my knowledge

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up to now, the companies are not legally required to

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upon penalty of like the murder of their CEOs with complying.

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They're not legally required to comply with simple requests if

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they're if companies or s. If the government wants stuff,

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they have to still go to the companies, and the

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companies still can reject those solicitations. Also that the government

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isn't calling all of the shots. Again with the punishment

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being death of your CEOs or imprisonment of your CEOs.

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The government does not call the shots on the algorithms,

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on the coding, on the data collection stuff, how it's used. Right,

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the government isn't supposed to be scooping all that stuff up, right,

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So to me, there is in fact, and again that's

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a comparison between the US government and the Chinese communist government.

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That's a different thing, which is actually the third question

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is is the Communist Party materially different than the United

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States government? Again, I submit yes. I submit yes. In practice,

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they do often do a lot of things similarly, and

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that is objectionable here in America. I oppose those things

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when I learn of them. Most Americans object when their

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government acts like the Communist Chinese Party in China. They're

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not allowed to object. They if they are even aware

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of what their government is doing. Right, So, those are

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my biases going into this story. That I do believe

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the Chinese Communist Party controls TikTok. I do believe that

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the Communist Party is materially different than private US businesses.

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And I do believe that the Communist Party in China

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is materially different than the United State State's government. I

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do there are different philosophies and ideologies and all of that.

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So those are my biases. Okay, So one hundred and

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seventy million Americans use TikTok. Over at the RAND Corporation.

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They do a lot of defense contracting and stuff like that.

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They do white papers analysis on you know, national international

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military stuff, have for decades. And there's a guy over

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there named Nate Levoy, and you can read this. It's

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at rand dot org. The headline is TikTok is a

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threat to national security, but not for the reason you think.

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So what have we heard up to now about the

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national security thread about TikTok. It's always framed where I

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see it's, it's framed and usually dismissively, so as oh,

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they're just going to collect your information for some future

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that nobody knows, and that's all hypothetical. But that's not really,

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that's not really the big deal. The discourse surrounding the

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national security implications of the app overlooks a critical threat.

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According to Lavoy, an unprecedented corpus or body of videos

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ideal for training advanced deep fake generating AI systems. Okay,

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all of the videos that you're posting up there can

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be used to create the AI knowledge database with images, audio,

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and then that AI can take all of your videos

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and make you say whatever they want you to say.

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This has been a concern of mine being in the

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industry that I am in for probably about ten years,

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that I have such a corpus, a body of work

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that is available in audio format. Anybody can take my

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audio and make me say whatever they want me to say,

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and produce an audio clip that has me saying things

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I've never said. All it takes I forget what the

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exact number is. It's not a large number. It's like

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fifteen or twenty or something like that. Vocal sounds and

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with those fifteen or so twenty thirty sounds AI programs

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and they've been able to do this for about a decade.

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They can take those sounds and construct every word in

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the English language the inflection in tone will be a

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little bit off. But the more I feed it, the

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more audio you give it, then the more it can

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mimic me. The national implication threat here, should it right now?

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Be obvious? Right? If you can make anybody say anything,

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particularly if you've got audio recordings of them or videos,

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then why couldn't you start spreading these deep fake videos

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in audio? I don't know of clearance requests and information requests. Hey,

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it's your boss, tell me this thing. What was that

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meeting we just had? Which, by the way, they can

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scrape off of your TikTok as well your location. It's

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because when you click that little I agree to terms

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of service on the TikTok app, you're giving it access

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to like everything in your phone everything, and so that

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all goes back to the Chinese. And for you, I'm

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just watching cat videos. Yeah, that's fine for you. And

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then what happens ten, fifteen, twenty years down the road road,

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Maybe not you, but maybe somebody close to you, maybe

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a spouse, maybe a kid, maybe a brother or sister

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in law. Something They get a they get a job

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in a sensitive field, and a sensitive field could be

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really anything that the Chinese are interested in sabotaging or

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learning more about or stealing stuff. Right, they get they

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can access information about that other person through you and

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your phone. They can construct timelines and calendars and stuff,

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find out where this person was, where they were going,

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and all this, all this stuff, they just keep scraping

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and scraping and scraping. And then what do they do

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with the information and the videos and the audios. They

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feed them into their AI models, these learning models. And

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that's what these That's what this deep fake thing or

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what is it deep deep dive, what is it deep

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deep speak, deep state, deep seek. That's what this thing

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is doing. That's what the race is over right, They're

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trying to get all of the information they can about

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every single person on the entire planet. Oh and then,

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by the way, they sell all of this technology to

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authoritarian regimes to keep their populations in line. It's very

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The discourse surrounding the national security implications of the app

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overlooks a critical threat training for AI systems. Right. These

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AI systems are built by feeding information into them and

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then it quote learns and all your TikTok videos are

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being fed into Chinese controlled AI systems to learn about you,

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to learn about you, and maybe to pretend to be

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you if it has to, if they want to. Right.

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For example, there's a story from early twenty twenty four,

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a Hong Kong based employee at a British engineering company

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transferred over twenty five million dollars to foreign accounts after

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receiving oral authorization from his chief financial officer over the

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course of a couple of routine zoom meetings. The CFO

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was never on those zoom calls. This would have been

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standard procedure, except that the CFO and all the other

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employees on the calls were all impersonations created by scammers

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using artificial intelligence. I found out about this story from

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my financial advisor. It has the financial advising industry freaking out,

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well some some people maybe others not so much. And

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so anytime I want to do anything, I have to

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if I call my financial advisor. He calls me back.

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He doesn't believe it's me unless he can call me back.

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Think about that. You're on a zoom call. You take

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you know, hey, got an email. We're going to do

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a zoom call. Got to do some money transfers like

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we always do on Tuesdays. And you join the call

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and there are a bunch of employees there. They all

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look like your colleagues. You've seen them all before, You've

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been in these zoom chats with them many many, many

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many times, but none of them are actually there. They

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sound the same, they look the same, they look like

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they're talking, but it's not them. As AI systems rapidly scale,

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these fabrications are increasingly hard to distinguish from real people.

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There have been, you know, a couple of sort of

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tells with AI stuff, Like one of the big ones

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was six fingers. For some reason, AI generated images has

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a problem with five fingers, and so it throws on

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an extra finger so you can look at the fingers.

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You can look at look for things that should be

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straight lines like in the background, but may bend. Stuff

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like that, eyes, ears, little things, little details like that,

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like you now have to inspect all of these images

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to make sure that it's not some AI generated image.

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He says, it's this is Nate Lavoy at Rand Brand Corporation.

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It's easy to imagine the national security implications of an

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adversary artificially generating videos of Americans doing and saying anything

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they please. How about this battlefield movements or atrocities. Mmm,

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we have video of US marines doing some awful things

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to poor innocent people. Right then? And then what do

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you say, like, well, that's not me. I didn't say

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that thing. I didn't do that thing. Prove it? How

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can I prove I didn't do that? But also, the

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propaganda value is limitless for an adversary, and that's the

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thing that maybe I should have laid out. Also, I

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view China as an adversary. I view them no differently

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than I view the Soviet Union. That's how I view China.

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You don't have to, but I do. We should not

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be trading with them at all, because we did not

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do trades with the Soviet Union, right. We did not

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allow them to own companies here, we did not allow

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them to invest here. They were our geopolitical foe. They

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are an adversary, and we don't treat them like that.

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I disagree with that, thanks a lot, Bill Clinton, But

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like most favored nation status all of that. No, they

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are playing a long game that we cannot even as

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a body politic, as a citizenry like we can't even discuss.

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That's what it seems like to me. We are not equipped,

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We are not serious enough to discuss what China is doing.

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They know what they're doing. They watched what happened with

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the Soviet Union. They're not going to make the same

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mistakes the Soviets made. All right, I hope you had

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got this message from Russ. He says, this AIDEP stuff

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is why I make my wife provide three factor verification

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anytime she asks me to do something around the house.

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You can't be too carerifying that it's true. That's a

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good that's a good plan. Dennis says. If you have

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to figure out what is the juice derived from the

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squeeze on TikTok, what does it provide that other apps don't?

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It does that buru, it does that thing. I think

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that's the difference. That's it. No, there's no difference. Now

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they will say the secret sauce is in the algorithm,

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and it's our algorithm that pushes all of the you know,

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psychologically damn damaging stuff, I mean, the stuff you want

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to see. But no shooting videos like remember vines. Remember

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that that was the Twitter version of it, These little

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six and seven second clips or whatever they were. They've

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got it for Instagram, they got it on Facebook, they

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got it for YouTube. They have all of these short

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clip things too. Now there are people, and I do

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feel bad for them that ignorantly built massive followings on

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TikTok and do their little dance videos and lip sync

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videos and tide pod ingestion videos whatever like they and

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they've amassed millions of followers and they have created careers.

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Basically they make money, a lot of money. Millions. Some

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people on TikTok make millions and millions of dollars. I

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mean it's no only fans, but just as damaging psychologically.

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But the now, the TikTok creators, you know, these pioneers

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that did all of this work. Yeah, like that's going

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to be difficult to rebuild. I get it. Moving from

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one platform to another is difficult. You're going to lose

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people in that migration process. You will, but I will

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tell you a secret of all content creation. Content is king.

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If you make good content, people will find you. That

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is why I toil in obscurity. That's and so that's

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the key. And so if you just focus on making

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whatever the content is that got you the success, you

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will continue to enjoy success even if you lose some

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of your fan base when they don't migrate over to

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whatever platform. Isn't a national security threat and it's also

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a personal threat to you. Right if you amass a

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large following on TikTok? Do you think that the Chinese

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government isn't going to use you? Do you think the

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Commis are not going to use you and your images

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and your audio to make you say things or may

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shoot videos of you that you didn't do in order

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to manipulate Americans. Like, that's the game the Chinese are playing.

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The Communists do not like us. I don't know what

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it takes to get this through people's thick skulls. Communists

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do not like America. They don't like the American form

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of government. They see us as their rival. This isn't

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like a ooh, like, Oh, who's going to be the

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first to do this? Oh, isn't that going to be

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such an achievement. This is like the race to control

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outer space, which by the way, the Chinese are trying

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to do also so to curb foreign development of these

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and other dangerous AI capabilities, the government controls exports of semiconductors,

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which are the physical underpinning of AI. Equal emphasis, according

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to this piece at Rand, equal emphasis should be placed

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on cross border transfers of large data sets or bulk data,

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because that's the fuel for generative AI systems. Right, AI

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systems that can generate information, they rely on massive transfers

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of data. This means re examining foreign controlled data aggregation platforms,

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especially TikTok. The US government has raised several objections to

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TikTok's data collection practices, mainly focused on American users sensitive

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personal information. TikTok has responded to these concerns by creating

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Project Texas Everybody Out Texas, an initiative to store protected

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US user data like emails, birthdays, and behavioral data on

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US based oracle servers. It's the company oracle safeguarding that

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kind of data is really important, though, but equally significant

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national security risks emerge from the flood of publicly posted

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videos TikTok assures that quote US users of the TikTok

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platform can still communicate and interact with global users for

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a cohesive global experience. See that's the problem. The videos

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that users are posting publicly are not subject to Project

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Texas restrictions and can still end up on those foreign servers,

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where they then get fed into the AI systems. Most

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of the individual videos that Americans post on social media

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platforms are harmless at face value, but every day there

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are thirty four million videos posted onto TikTok and that

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is used as training material for their AI systems. These

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models will be able to create convincing deep fakes and

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could be used to launch discrete, large scale and highly

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targeted influence operations. This is not an abstract threat either.

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This is not something oh that could happen in the future.

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No policymakers have to understand. In the age of generative ID,

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bulk audio visual data can be more valuable than the birthdays.

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The email addresses all of that stuff that users have

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to have and give over when they sign up for TikTok.

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That's not even the information that they want anymore. Chinese

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actors have already used generative AI to spread disinformation. They

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use TikTok to spread anti American propaganda within our country.

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TikTok releases monthly lists of uncovered covert influence operations on

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the app, and they show that in May of twenty

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twenty four, a network with hundreds of thousands of followers

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operated from China targeted a US audience. The individuals behind

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the network created inauthentic accounts, so fake accounts in order

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to artificially amplify narratives that the US is corrupt and unsafe.

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They are working to destabilize our society. Do you understand

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what that means? TikTok users? Do you understand what that

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means that a communist regime halfway around the planet is

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using you and your videos and your TikTok accounts to

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destabilize our entire society. I'm not saying the sky is falling.

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I mean, I'm kind of saying that it already has.

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But no, but the threat is real. This is not

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something in the future. Why do you think TikTok tells

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everybody post your videos vertical? Like? Make your videos vertical, like,

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not horizontal. Make them vertical with a nine to sixteen

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aspect ratio. They want uniformity. They want all of the

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same stuff because they're communists, but also because they want

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to be able to feed same data sets into their systems,

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so it reads the same template all the time. It

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doesn't have to worry about, you know, turning the video

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and different aspect ratios, right, perfect training material for the

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AI systems. Also the dynamic water marking, you know, the

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little logos and such that TikTok adds to all uploaded

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videos to make it difficult for other actors to scrape

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those videos for AI training purposes. It means though, that

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they get to keep using it and nobody else can, right,

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So it's it's unique to them. It's their AI training material.

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Nobody else gets to use it, all right. If you're

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listening to this show, you know I try to keep

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up with all sorts of current events, and I know

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you do too, And you've probably heard me say get

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your news from multiple sources. Why, Well, because it's how

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you detect media bias, which is why I've been so

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and it combines news from around the world in one place,

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the band by the way, I just for the record,

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for the record, I will say I don't believe Donald

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Trump made the right decision on the executive order to

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save TikTok. I believe he caved to either a pressure

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campaign by TikTok and its board, its president, the guy

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that was at the inauguration, and the big donor jeff

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yass who funded a lot of Trump's campaign expenses. I

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don't know if he did it as a quid pro quo.

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I'm not alleging that, but I think his reversal because

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Donald Trump was the first one to start calling for

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the TikTok band, and then it happened by law. Bipartisan

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legislation was passed signed by Biden, and then the pressure

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campaign ramps up. TikTok applies more pressure by taking their

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site down the day before the deadline in order to

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have all of these millennials and zoomers freak the bleep

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out and they have nothing like if you spend seven

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hours a day scrolling TikTok videos and it goes away

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like you are a junkie looking for a fix. What

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do you do with your time? Oh my god, I

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can't do it anything. Ah, you know, I can't even

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go cry on TikTok because it's down. And uh, I

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believe he caved. Maybe he works out some deal. But

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TikTok had months to do a divestiture. TikTok had months

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and they refused, which was the tell that it is

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not actually a company. It is an arm of the

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Communist Party in China, because they would rather fold the

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company and blow out all that shareholder value rather than

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give up ownership of what it is they're using TikTok for.

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That should tell you everything. They went to court, they

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lost in court, they appealed, they lost again, and they

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would prefer to not sell. They would prefer to shut

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it down. Byte Dance is the parent company who also

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has its own AI system. Yeah, they have their AI.

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What do you think is feeding their AI ByteDance is

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supposed to sell TikTok to an American buyer. Oh, actually,

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like a week ago and they didn't. Failure to comply

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would result in a fine of five grand per user,

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totaling almost one trillion dollars. Mass collection of bulk training

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data for deep fake systems is not currently part of

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the dialogue, but it needs to be, and it needs

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to be at the forefront. There are no laws banning

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the sale of bulk audio visual data overseas. The issue

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with TikTok, according to the rand folks, the issue is

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with TikTok is not what is set on the app.

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It is the pipeline of training data to countries of concern.

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Even if China lost access to the body of TikTok data,

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they could still potentially use American AI platforms for nefarious purposes.

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Both Russia and China have already used chat gps to

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generate malicious content. However, companies like open ai and Meta

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are subject to American regulations. In July twenty twenty four,

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Congress introduced a bill that would force domestic generative AI

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companies to water mark their models AI generated content, So

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you would be required to have something on there that

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says this is AI. A water mark on the video,

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you know, like one of those kind of faint images

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or something, or logo. This would limit any adversary's ability

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to effectively use American models for nefarious purposes, because the

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generated outputs would be permanently marked as such and therefore

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would be hard to pass off as reality. Chinese made models,

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on the other hand, are not restricted by these rules.

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The bulk data supplied by TikTok will streamline China's creation

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of those tools. And that brings us to deep Seek,

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which upended the marketplace yesterday. All of a sudden, everybody

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became aware of deep Seek, and much like leftists flocking

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to Blue Sky or that other Chinese app where they

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were like, how dare you take away my TikTok I

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want to give China all my information, and they went

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over to some other Chinese app. Right Deep Seek is

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doing the same stuff but worse, and it also did

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up end the entire model. All right, that'll do it

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for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I

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could not do the show without your support and the

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support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so

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if you'd like, please support them too and tell them

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you heard it here. You can also become a patron

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at my Patreon page or go to dpetecalnarshow dot com. Again,

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone. M m hmm.