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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back in Your Leadership. I'm Chris and I'm Lorenzo

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<v Speaker 1>and Lorenzo.

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<v Speaker 2>On this episode, we're continuing our discussion on pieces of

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<v Speaker 2>advice that coaches would give their younger selves from the

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<v Speaker 2>Forbes article of the of the same title. We've been

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<v Speaker 2>doing this for a few weeks now, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this advice is is really good advice if you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get better at coaching or trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're more effective coach.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know the importance.

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<v Speaker 2>Of great coaching and how that's kind of being elevated

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<v Speaker 2>with regard to how it impacts a person's ability to

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<v Speaker 2>lead and their and their quality of leadership. On last

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<v Speaker 2>week's episode, we had a great discussion on getting a

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<v Speaker 2>mentor and being vulnerable about it. If you haven't listened

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<v Speaker 2>to that when yet, go back and do so. On

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, we're gonna talk about a couple more. The

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<v Speaker 2>first one is around following your passion and I like

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<v Speaker 2>this one, but I want to caveat it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit because the verbiage in the article it's it sounds great,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love the way it sounds, but it's in.

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<v Speaker 1>A real world. It's not perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>The way it is, I think I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot that there's more to it that can be impact.

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<v Speaker 2>It talks about how finding true fulfillment is around being

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and that you shouldn't look for alignment or agreement

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<v Speaker 2>with others. And I don't necessarily know that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we hear, we hear from people you know

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<v Speaker 2>in the you know, in the news, or in pop

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<v Speaker 2>culture all the time that talked about how I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to I've been wanting to do this since I was

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<v Speaker 2>ten years old, and and everybody told me I was crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to push forward and do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And those stories sound amazing and they sound great.

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<v Speaker 2>The goal, I think is to have the right people

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<v Speaker 2>around you, so that if someone is telling you that

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<v Speaker 2>you are crazy for doing this or that you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be there, that you have the ability to know the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between a person who is doing that because they

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about you and they just don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>see you succeed, or a person who genuinely has your

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<v Speaker 2>best interests at heart.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the context of assuming.

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<v Speaker 2>That you have people around you that that have your

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<v Speaker 2>best interests at heart, then you do want to look

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<v Speaker 2>for alignment with some people. Sometimes you don't necessarily want

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<v Speaker 2>to just push everybody away and and steamroll ahead into

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is that you want to do. But in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the in the instances where you don't have that,

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<v Speaker 2>where the naysayers are not people who are close to you,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not people have your best interests at heart, it

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<v Speaker 2>is one hundred percent, very very good advice to say

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<v Speaker 2>ignore those people and don't look for alignment with them.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's I think it's the the caveat here is

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that that you know the difference and and

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<v Speaker 2>that that the alignment you're seeking is from people who

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<v Speaker 2>value the relationship and value you and not just looking

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<v Speaker 2>at for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's you know, whenever I see language like

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<v Speaker 3>always and never, it always kind of teaks me a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit. Yeah, you know, but I think at the

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<v Speaker 3>at the core of this and when you think about

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<v Speaker 3>like following your passions and your intuition, I do think

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<v Speaker 3>that's really really important when it comes to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to the way in which you approach in this context

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<v Speaker 3>of on like coaching people and working with people, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you know, I hear myself often say

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<v Speaker 3>things like, you need to trust your intuition to remember

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<v Speaker 3>what got you to this point. You have to know

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<v Speaker 3>that like the things that you've had to lean into

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<v Speaker 3>to make, you know, really good decisions to get to

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<v Speaker 3>this point are the things that will help you continue on.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you've you've got to feel comfortable knowing that

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<v Speaker 3>that there is something unique about the way in which

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<v Speaker 3>you lead people, the way in which you communicate, the

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<v Speaker 3>way in which you connect with people, and you should

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<v Speaker 3>stick to that. You should use that as your superpower.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's kind of how I read this. It's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like everyone has a unique talent, right, whatever that

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<v Speaker 3>thing is, whatever that approach is, whatever that way is,

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<v Speaker 3>that that people know that to be you, that authenticity

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<v Speaker 3>of who you are and how you do these these

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<v Speaker 3>things is really really important when you are thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>building trust and building culture with a team, and people

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<v Speaker 3>can look and say that's exactly who they are, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that's who they've always been, and like there are things

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<v Speaker 3>that you can learn or sharpen or refine when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to communication, when it comes to creating strategies, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>that might be. But who you are and what you're

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<v Speaker 3>passionate about and especially in a space of leadership, when

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<v Speaker 3>you're passionate about people like always make sure that you

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<v Speaker 3>you keep that forefront and that people know that's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what you are passionate about, and that's that's that's a

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<v Speaker 3>reflection of who you are as a person, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's important to know to not just convince yourself

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<v Speaker 2>that that's what you're passionate about, but to put it

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<v Speaker 2>through tests. Right, So you have to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be able to do things to work

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<v Speaker 2>towards those passions in a way that have the potential

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<v Speaker 2>of failure. I know a lot of people who talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how passionate they are about doing something, and they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it in this kind of act in the ether,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you look at their daily actions, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>in spirit of that. They're not in spirit of moving

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<v Speaker 2>towards something like that. And in some cases, actually I

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<v Speaker 2>think in a lot of cases, I think it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>a fear of failure. It's like a I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to push forward with this because if I fail at

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, it will be so detrimental to the core

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<v Speaker 2>of who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I've always believed.

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<v Speaker 2>For the longest, for as long as I remember that

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<v Speaker 2>this was my passion. It's like, well, in order to

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<v Speaker 2>say that you're passionate about something, it only it only

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<v Speaker 2>works if you're actually doing something towards it. Otherwise you're

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<v Speaker 2>not really passionate about it. You're passionate maybe about that

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<v Speaker 2>being part of your brand. You know, you're passionate about

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<v Speaker 2>saying that you're passionate about it, but are you actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Passionate about it?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you say that you're passionate about leadership and

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<v Speaker 2>about leading and coaching others, then you need to leading

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<v Speaker 2>coach others. You need to get better at doing that

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<v Speaker 2>and put work into doing it and know that you

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<v Speaker 2>will fail along the way many times and learn from

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<v Speaker 2>those failures hopefully.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's part of that. The passion is around the

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<v Speaker 1>journey of getting there and around the process you go

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<v Speaker 1>through every day.

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<v Speaker 2>If the passion is just around, if just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>around the aggregate of I'm passionate about leading and coaching,

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<v Speaker 2>then no, you're That means you're just passionate about saying

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<v Speaker 2>that you're a coach or a leader, or about being

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<v Speaker 2>identified or recognized or labeled as a coach or a leader.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're actually passionate about leading people and coaching people,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to leading coach people. And so I think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's this this kind of like you know, dichotomy

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<v Speaker 2>of of the or the two sizes can kind of

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<v Speaker 2>butt heads a little bit. So following your passion doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that you're that you're always going to be great

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<v Speaker 2>at what it is that you're doing. You can be

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<v Speaker 2>very passionate about something that you're not great at doing

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<v Speaker 2>and then get better at it. But if you're passionate

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<v Speaker 2>about it, or you say that you are, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>not practicing it every day, then you are You either

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<v Speaker 2>aren't good at it at all, or you were, but

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<v Speaker 2>you will you will stop being good at it because

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<v Speaker 2>the the thing that you're doing is changing so quickly

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to you constantly learn and change and

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<v Speaker 2>growth with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, I think it's a great point, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that saying like if you raise your hand to

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<v Speaker 3>say I want to be a leader of people, then

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<v Speaker 3>what you are saying is that you want to be

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<v Speaker 3>responsible for their development, their growth, their success. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>a very high level of commitment that you are making,

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<v Speaker 3>right because now all of a sudden, it's not about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, maybe it is like are you raising your

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<v Speaker 2>hand to say I want to be a leader of people?

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<v Speaker 2>Or are you raising your hand to say I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To lead people? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? Like like if your passion is leading people, then

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<v Speaker 3>you have to lead people. If your passion is getting

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<v Speaker 3>a title, if your passion is getting a promotion, right like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be exposed very very quickly because you're

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<v Speaker 3>not truly and you won't have to right, miserable and

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<v Speaker 3>getting the next job or the next title isn't really

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<v Speaker 3>a passion, right you know what I'm saying, Like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not truly a passion. So if you're if you're in

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<v Speaker 3>that space, then then you really need to pull back

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<v Speaker 3>and think about what are you really trying to accomplish,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in life to a degree around like the

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<v Speaker 3>passions that you have, Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>The other the next one in this in this article,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go over and I think it relates

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit to the previous one. The next one

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<v Speaker 2>is knowing your worth. And you know, when you when

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about knowing knowing your worth, the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>I think about is imposter syndrome. And I've I've definitely

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<v Speaker 2>been in rooms where I didn't perform the way that

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<v Speaker 2>I should, and I when I look back at it,

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<v Speaker 2>the only reason why is because I didn't think I

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<v Speaker 2>inherently had the right to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I was worthy of being there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of subconsciously lived up to that, like I

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<v Speaker 2>lived up to not being allowed to be there by

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<v Speaker 2>acting in a way that that validated my own beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>that I shouldn't have been there. But if I had

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<v Speaker 2>gone into it differently and believing in myself that I

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<v Speaker 2>that I do have the right to be there, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I do I can take a contribution, then I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's also something that we have a tendency to

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<v Speaker 2>rise to the to the occasion of. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's one of those whether you think you can

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<v Speaker 2>or you think you can't, you're right that this is

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<v Speaker 2>where that comes in. If you think that you do

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<v Speaker 2>have a right to be somewhere, and if you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like and you do believe in yourself and you are

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<v Speaker 2>worth this process, then you are far more likely to

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<v Speaker 2>live up to that. And it takes passion around something

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to get through that. If you don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you have the right to be someplace and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't care about it anyway, Good luck.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting out of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's you don't even have the will to be

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<v Speaker 2>there to begin with, let alone whether or not you

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<v Speaker 2>think you should be. But in order to get through

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<v Speaker 2>the potential imposter syndrome or having difficulty knowing you're worth,

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<v Speaker 2>it has to at the very least be around something

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<v Speaker 2>you're passionate about doing so you can push through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's it's not a.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem that it's there. It's a problem if you can't

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<v Speaker 3>Think too, you know, it's knowing your worth and then

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it speaks about this in the article a

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes we get caught up in our own heads when

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<v Speaker 1>A bunch of hurdles.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's human nature to kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Is this really?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this something that I should be able to accomplish?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're you're you're you're worthy.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that. I want to caveat it with

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<v Speaker 1>But but that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're talking about whether or not a person has

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<v Speaker 2>or a stretch assignment or something like that, that knowing

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<v Speaker 2>they're worthy of that that will never happen for them

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<v Speaker 2>just by you saying you're good enough, go for it,

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<v Speaker 2>you should do it. You need to root those words

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<v Speaker 1>That that is leading you to believe that they are

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<v Speaker 2>And so a great example of this, you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>she phrased it in a way that took the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I absolutely have done, like the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>Have done, and said, well, you've done this. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading this to me says that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>able to articulate it in a way that said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you do have it. You just aren't looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>work that you've done in the right way, but you

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<v Speaker 2>actual real things that I know got done, it just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of flipped my perspective on that interaction. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>should do this. It's here's why, here's what you've done

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<v Speaker 2>and why you've accomplished this, and now this is why

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, that's a great point. And with that it brings

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<v Speaker 1>All right, for this episode one minute Hackers wanted you

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're listening to this show, we have to start

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<v Speaker 2>with the assumption that you are passionate about being a

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<v Speaker 2>better leader and being a better coach for people. So

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<v Speaker 2>why why are you passionate about doing this. Obviously, if

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is because you want the title and you

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<v Speaker 2>want more money, then you should probably rethink things. But

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<v Speaker 2>once you've written down the reasons why you're passionate about

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<v Speaker 2>leading coaching others, and no one can give that to you,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to kind of figure that out on your own,

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<v Speaker 2>do some soul searching around that, and write down those reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Those reasons are needed to remind you why you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that you're doing that you're not doing it

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can coach people. You're not doing it

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can lead people. You're doing it for

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<v Speaker 1>Those exact same things.

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<v Speaker 2>Not people who also value leadership or can lead, Not

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<v Speaker 2>people who also value coaching or can coach, but people

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<v Speaker 2>who value the things that you articulated as the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why you are passionate about leading coaching people. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>through the times when you think you can't get something

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<v Speaker 2>if the people you surround yourself with don't share those

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with. Whereas that the people who do share

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<v Speaker 2>those values with you, they don't even need to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the lookout for them. Their feelers are out all

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<v Speaker 2>the time for them. They inherently see them in action

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<v Speaker 2>and feel them coming from you in your interactions anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>And they want you to do much thinking to come

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<v Speaker 2>up with reasons why you should be somewhere or why

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't. You know, that you're worthy to be in

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<v Speaker 2>a role that you're in or taking on an assignment.

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<v Speaker 2>So so know those passions, why you want to be there,

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<v Speaker 2>what the values are behind them, and then and then

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<v Speaker 2>make sure as many people are around you as possible

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<v Speaker 2>who share those exact same things. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it's a great hack.

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<v Speaker 1>And again it's.

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<v Speaker 3>How you clearly understand what it is that you enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>you're so drawn to the work. I think is such

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<v Speaker 3>see the things that you're doing as something that relates

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<v Speaker 3>to them as well. It makes the experience so much

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<v Speaker 3>difficulties a lot smoother, because there's going to be difficulties,

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<v Speaker 3>there's going to be hurdles, there's going to be things

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<v Speaker 3>you have a passion for what you do that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a part of helping you to work through them.

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<v Speaker 3>And then having those around you that see your value,

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<v Speaker 3>that see your worth, and that are aligned with those

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<v Speaker 3>that you can learn quickly and then adapt and then

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and if the people who you've done a good

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you should be thinking about doing other things first,

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<v Speaker 2>or you should kind of work on this before you

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, then maybe you should listen to them.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, the whether or not you are able to

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<v Speaker 2>take their advice in a way that is, whether you

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<v Speaker 2>should follow their advice, it depends wholly on whether they're

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<v Speaker 2>giving that advice because they genuinely want you to succeed,

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<v Speaker 2>or if they are just kind of, you know, looking

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<v Speaker 2>for them to so that the relationships have to be reciprocal.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you're asking people to help validate your worth,

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely and with that it brings us to the end

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<v Speaker 3>of this episode. This is hacking your leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lorenzo and I'm Chris, and we'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>all next time.
