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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. Folks, I have hit the mother load when

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it comes to OIG witness interviews in regards to the

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death of Jeffrey Epstein. Not only did we just go

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through the Michael Thomas deposition, well, now I also found

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the depositions for all the other Corrections officers that were

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brought in for questioning. And you know what else, I

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found the OIG interview with Mark Epstein. So in this episode,

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we're going to begin taking a look at that interview

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and we're going to see what Mark Epstein had to

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say to the OIG inspectors about the death of his brother,

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Jeffrey Epstein. So they swear them in. We're gonna skip

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all of that, but they swear them in, and then

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they start asking the questions, and the person asking questions

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is redacted with Mark Epstein. Is his lawyer, mister Richmond. Question,

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Just for the record, you're Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother,

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Mark Epstein. Yes, question, And I understand that basically you

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reached out through Attorney Richmond. You reached out to us

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and you stated that there were a few things you

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wanted to share with the OIG Mark Epstein. Yes, question,

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go ahead, you can go ahead, Epstein, okay, redacted. Let

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me just ask some like just or asked to maybe

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see his license just so we can verify redacted. Yeah.

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Question If you don't want to ask him for his

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date of birth redacted, yeah, can we verify? Epstein? Sure? Question,

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Or you can just ask your birthday date of birth Epstein, Oh,

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it's only my driver's license redacted. Mister Mark Epstein has

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shown me a photo driver's license and it has his

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picture on it and it states his name on it.

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Just for the record, here is my credential Epstein. Okay,

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redacted on special agent redacted with doj oig Epstein okay,

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redacted and these are my credentials, Senior special Agent blah

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blah blah Epstein. Okay. As I mentioned before you came,

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I told him that when I first heard of Jeffrey's death,

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I just assumed that it was the suicide because it

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was reported as such, and at the time I had

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no reason to doubt it, and I just respected his

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decision to take himself out. But then as things progressed

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and when more information came out, it looks like if

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you just look at the information. There is no way

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in the world you would say that this is the suicide.

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The first thing being the autopsy. The autopsy was conducted

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the next day. It was conducted by the city pathologist,

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and I was right. I was able to get a

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pathologist to witness this and had doctor Boden. I don't

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know if you know doctor Boden, but you can't get

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Richmond cuts him off. He's the former chief Medical Examiner

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of the City of New York. Richmond, so he went

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back to his office because he was hired by Mark

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to review and be present at the autopsy. Epstein. Yeah, Normally,

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if I hire a forensic pathologist to review the autopsy,

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he has a right to just stand there and watch,

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and then we can get the body afterwards to do

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a second autopsy if needed. But because of who redacted is,

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they did whatever he requested them to do with the autopsy,

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so there was no need for a second autopsy. Redacted

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also had been on the Special Commission Investigating prison deaths

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since the Attica riots in seventy Redacted here is doctor Boden,

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so he's been doing this for a long time. There

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is no better authority in prison deaths than doctor Boden,

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and the city pathologists came out with doctor Boden and

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her determination was she could not call this a suicide.

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There were too many unquestionable things, you know, like the

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broken bones in his neck. And Boden confirmed that he

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also not to call this a suicide. It looks much

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more like a homicide. Plus there were the wounds on

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his body. I'm like, I have pictures I could show you.

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And then when we get the death certificate to move

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to claim the body, the cause of death was pending,

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you know, pending for an investigation. And then a few

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days later the Chief Medical Examiner of New York declares

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that a suicide Richmond, just to clarify, we found out

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through the media they were going to make that change.

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So we called the Medical Examiner's office asking how come

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you haven't notified the family and what is the central

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reason for changing that. We interviewed them for about an

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hour and we discovered that they really didn't have much

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of a basis, but everyone was just closing the investigation.

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And what I persisted is when I learned that the

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camera on the floor where mister Epstein cell was had

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been corrupted and no one had actually viewed that ca

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mister Epstein. Now, one of the questions about the camera

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on the tier, I don't know. There's some pictures of

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you know, we're walking through the tier and indiscernible all

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the cameras right that camera wasn't working. So one of

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the questions I have is when did the camera stop working?

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When was the last time that camera actually took a picture?

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And you know, have they determined why that camera wasn't working.

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Were the wire's cut? Was it unplugged, or you know,

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why was that camera not working? There is an answer

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to that, you know, and I'm going to get it.

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I had I could start showing some pictures, but to

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keep going on, you know, because they did they swabbed

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under autopsy report. They swabbed his fingers for DNA evidence

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in case somebody was there. Was that ever checked. I

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never saw the results of that DNA testing. You know,

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nothing has been indiscernible for that. And one of the

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things that lit up my mind on top of this,

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one of the big things is that Attorney General Barr

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made a statement saying that he viewed camera that was

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outside of the tier that showed the door and the

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guards and that's directly right between that the guards were

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just you know, jerking off or indiscernible web or whatever

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they were doing, making sure that that videotape, and he

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said he said that nobody went that he personally saw it,

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which I thought was strange. You know, that nobody went

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in or out of that tier, so that convinced them

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that it was a suicide. You guys are professional investigators.

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I am not. But for me, the lights went off.

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I said, either this is the stupidest guy on the planet,

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or if Jeffrey was killed, the killer was already on

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the tier, so it's just things that might come into

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the tier to kill him. I mean, there's too many witnesses.

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How do you get somebody in or out? But if

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he was killed, the killer was already on the tier.

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So for him to make the statement that no one

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went in or out, that convinced them it was a suicide.

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I mean, that's like I think we agree it was

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like an amateur mistake in the investigation because there were

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a number of people inside it. Right, Well, let me

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pull up something to show you redacted on that note.

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Do you have any information that anyone actually was in

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the cell Epstein, there was nobody in his cell, Richmond, Well,

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was he gets cut off by Epstein. There was supposed

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to be somebody in his cell because he was supposedly

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on suicide watch doing whatever, and he was released and

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there was supposed to be somebody in his cell, and

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there wasn't and he was taken out. He was alone

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that night in his cell, and so other like just

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evidentiary things. They report that he was found non responsive

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in his cell and then he was taken to the hospital.

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He wasn't found unresponsive, he was found dead. Okay, Jeffrey

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was dead for a minimum of two hours before they

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found him. And I will show you how we know that.

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Richmond also talk about the description of the indiscernible Epstein. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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a whole bunch of things. I have a list of

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the number of the photos. I left it at home, unfortunately,

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but I'll pull them up to have a look. Redacted. Now,

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are you going to show us why you know that

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he was dead for at least two hours? Ebstein? Yeah, question, Okay, Epstein.

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I'm going to get to that picture as soon as

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I can. Redacted. Just for the recording, I'm just going

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to state that mister Epstein has his own laptop and

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he is providing us. He's just going to explain the

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pictures to us. Epstein, Yeah, pictures in your custody. Epstein. Yeah.

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Also in the autopsy, Richmond, and the picture is from

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the autopsy redacted from the autopsy, Epstein. They also found,

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you know, three broken bones in his neck, which is

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extremely rare to have broken bone when you don't have

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what's called a soft hanging. You have like Robin Williams

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hung himself with a bathrobe thing, with the belt thing.

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he had three breaks, which is one of the reasons

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they thought it was more like a homicide question. So

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what we're looking at is do you know which bones

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we're talking about? Ebstein. It's the higher bone, something like

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the indiscernible is what it's called redacted? And did they

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ever Ebstein cuts them off and it really isn't he

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gets cut off. Discuss anything about chess compressions. Would that

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potentially have happened during cpr Epstein? No, Richmond, No, Epstein,

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this is the neck, Richmond. Chess compressions are lower Epstein, Yeah,

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chess compressions. It can break a rib, not the higher Richmond,

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so Ebstein, it felt pretty useful. See this is the

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camera that wasn't working redacted, right, Ebstein, that would show

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them indiscernible question, and they provided you with all of

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this Epstein. Yeah, question, okay, redacted? Really Richmond? Uh huh question?

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Oh for the statement of information Richmond that was just

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released and announced by indiscernible Epstein. Do you, guys indiscernable

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with murder investigations? Is that part of the normally? I mean,

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do you have like any forensic experience on that redacted?

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So our investigation pertains to the death of he gets

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cut off by Epstein, all right, then he gets cut

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off by the guy asking the questions, Jeffrey Epstein. Okay.

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One thing I'll show you now before we get to

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is that the only way they was trying to say that, well,

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he put a noose on his neck and sort of

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jumped off the top bunk. That would give him that break,

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or it would be harsh, you know, like if you

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saw Shawshank Redemption when Brooks kicked himself off the chair,

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you know, the fall down that's indiscernible because it has

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to be harsh like that the top bunk and Jeffrey

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cell was filled with his medication. Indiscernible. Nobody was on

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that bunk. Nobody jumped off that bunk. I'm just looking

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for the next pictures. Also, let me get back for

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one second. Should I apologize for not having that list,

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mister Richmond indiscernible Epstein. Also, what another question I have

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is who was in charge in the prison. First of all,

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they move the body, which you're not supposed to do,

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and supposedly they indiscernible. You know, when they find a

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dead body in prison, they're not supposed to move it.

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They're supposed to get the medical Examiner's office indiscernible. Surprise.

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I mean, they had it look like he was moved. Now,

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if you saw the photographs when they took him out

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of the hospital, he was on a gurney and he

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was innovated. They were trying to squeeze the tube with

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no air in it. It said he's dead for two hours.

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was alive? The EMTs, and I would like to talk

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to them. It's redacted, and I think it's indiscernible them

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to EMTs if I recall they're the EMTs that were

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actually in the cell. Redacted. Okay, Epstein, Now just let

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me go back one second. Here's another picture of the

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top bunk. You see nobody was there, so I would

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like to talk to those two guys redacted. Yeah, Ebstein,

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this is the noose right. Look at that. When the

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guards found him, the guy was indiscernible. He's saying that

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he cut him down, and I think the guard said

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Michael Thomas, the guard that found him, he said he

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cut him down. You see the edge of his noose thing,

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that's a hymned edge that wasn't cut. Okay. If this

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was tied to something, this would be wrinkled, it would

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be marked from there, you know, like here you see

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like creases in this part. There would be something here

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showing that this was tied to something. Okay, here's another

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question I have. He was dead when they took him

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in when they found him, and he was wearing I

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checked through someone who was there who said, I guess

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that he was wearing in the cell, and he was

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wearing his orange boxer shorts and T shirt. The prison

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clothing question. Okay, Ebstein. They take his dead body out

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and it was either they cut the stuff off of him,

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because I have pictures of the boxer shorts cut. Who

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dressed the dead body with the hospital gown? Okay, dead

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bodies you cover with the sheet. He wasn't going to

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run down the hall in the hospital with his balls

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flapping in the wind. He didn't have to hide, So

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who made that decision? Now? I know that when they

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took him to the hospital, there were four people in

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the room and somebody had a handheld video and like

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they were working down at the hospital. Where's the tape? Redacted? Okay?

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How do you know that, Epstein? I was told? Question? Okay.

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Also there's a question of why was he moved? Because

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you know, you know what indiscernible is redacted? Yes, Ebstein,

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you know you die, you fall in your back, your

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gut turns purple because you indiscernible. Question okay, Epstein, Now

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he was moved. So I want to find out from

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Michael Thomas what position was Jeffrey in when he found him.

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And I'll know the answer to that because he was

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sitting like right by indiscernible. You know, your ass in

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the back, your legs are going to go, you know

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if you're leaning forward doing it that way, but indiscernible

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eggs are going to go. You know, So what position

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was he in after they found him? Question, so you

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said Michael Thomas made statements, which statements indiscernible Epstein, Well,

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he said, he cut him down. Question Where did you

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get that statement from Ebstein? It was in the paper,

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mister Richmond. It was Ebstein that was that question like

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recently or was that Epstein? No question at the time,

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Epstein at the time, Richmond. At the time, they hadn't

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received the statements from him, then, did they? Epstein. Yeah,

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he was indiscernible at the time, but you know he said,

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I mean, that's what he said. He would cut him

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down and said, you fucked up or you messed up.

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You know when the supervisor, he said he messed up

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and he didn't do the checks or something to that effect. Question. Okay,

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all right, So we're gonna wrap up right here, and

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then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna

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