Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. Folks, I have hit the mother load when
it comes to OIG witness interviews in regards to the
death of Jeffrey Epstein. Not only did we just go
through the Michael Thomas deposition, well, now I also found
the depositions for all the other Corrections officers that were
brought in for questioning. And you know what else, I
found the OIG interview with Mark Epstein. So in this episode,
we're going to begin taking a look at that interview
and we're going to see what Mark Epstein had to
say to the OIG inspectors about the death of his brother,
Jeffrey Epstein. So they swear them in. We're gonna skip
all of that, but they swear them in, and then
they start asking the questions, and the person asking questions
is redacted with Mark Epstein. Is his lawyer, mister Richmond. Question,
Just for the record, you're Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother,
Mark Epstein. Yes, question, And I understand that basically you
reached out through Attorney Richmond. You reached out to us
and you stated that there were a few things you
wanted to share with the OIG Mark Epstein. Yes, question,
go ahead, you can go ahead, Epstein, okay, redacted. Let
me just ask some like just or asked to maybe
see his license just so we can verify redacted. Yeah.
Question If you don't want to ask him for his
date of birth redacted, yeah, can we verify? Epstein? Sure? Question,
Or you can just ask your birthday date of birth Epstein, Oh,
it's only my driver's license redacted. Mister Mark Epstein has
shown me a photo driver's license and it has his
picture on it and it states his name on it.
Just for the record, here is my credential Epstein. Okay,
redacted on special agent redacted with doj oig Epstein okay,
redacted and these are my credentials, Senior special Agent blah
blah blah Epstein. Okay. As I mentioned before you came,
I told him that when I first heard of Jeffrey's death,
I just assumed that it was the suicide because it
was reported as such, and at the time I had
no reason to doubt it, and I just respected his
decision to take himself out. But then as things progressed
and when more information came out, it looks like if
you just look at the information. There is no way
in the world you would say that this is the suicide.
The first thing being the autopsy. The autopsy was conducted
the next day. It was conducted by the city pathologist,
and I was right. I was able to get a
pathologist to witness this and had doctor Boden. I don't
know if you know doctor Boden, but you can't get
Richmond cuts him off. He's the former chief Medical Examiner
of the City of New York. Richmond, so he went
back to his office because he was hired by Mark
to review and be present at the autopsy. Epstein. Yeah, Normally,
if I hire a forensic pathologist to review the autopsy,
he has a right to just stand there and watch,
and then we can get the body afterwards to do
a second autopsy if needed. But because of who redacted is,
they did whatever he requested them to do with the autopsy,
so there was no need for a second autopsy. Redacted
also had been on the Special Commission Investigating prison deaths
since the Attica riots in seventy Redacted here is doctor Boden,
so he's been doing this for a long time. There
is no better authority in prison deaths than doctor Boden,
and the city pathologists came out with doctor Boden and
her determination was she could not call this a suicide.
There were too many unquestionable things, you know, like the
broken bones in his neck. And Boden confirmed that he
also not to call this a suicide. It looks much
more like a homicide. Plus there were the wounds on
his body. I'm like, I have pictures I could show you.
And then when we get the death certificate to move
to claim the body, the cause of death was pending,
you know, pending for an investigation. And then a few
days later the Chief Medical Examiner of New York declares
that a suicide Richmond, just to clarify, we found out
through the media they were going to make that change.
So we called the Medical Examiner's office asking how come
you haven't notified the family and what is the central
reason for changing that. We interviewed them for about an
hour and we discovered that they really didn't have much
of a basis, but everyone was just closing the investigation.
And what I persisted is when I learned that the
camera on the floor where mister Epstein cell was had
been corrupted and no one had actually viewed that ca
mister Epstein. Now, one of the questions about the camera
on the tier, I don't know. There's some pictures of
you know, we're walking through the tier and indiscernible all
the cameras right that camera wasn't working. So one of
the questions I have is when did the camera stop working?
When was the last time that camera actually took a picture?
And you know, have they determined why that camera wasn't working.
Were the wire's cut? Was it unplugged, or you know,
why was that camera not working? There is an answer
to that, you know, and I'm going to get it.
I had I could start showing some pictures, but to
keep going on, you know, because they did they swabbed
under autopsy report. They swabbed his fingers for DNA evidence
in case somebody was there. Was that ever checked. I
never saw the results of that DNA testing. You know,
nothing has been indiscernible for that. And one of the
things that lit up my mind on top of this,
one of the big things is that Attorney General Barr
made a statement saying that he viewed camera that was
outside of the tier that showed the door and the
guards and that's directly right between that the guards were
just you know, jerking off or indiscernible web or whatever
they were doing, making sure that that videotape, and he
said he said that nobody went that he personally saw it,
which I thought was strange. You know, that nobody went
in or out of that tier, so that convinced them
that it was a suicide. You guys are professional investigators.
I am not. But for me, the lights went off.
I said, either this is the stupidest guy on the planet,
or if Jeffrey was killed, the killer was already on
the tier, so it's just things that might come into
the tier to kill him. I mean, there's too many witnesses.
How do you get somebody in or out? But if
he was killed, the killer was already on the tier.
So for him to make the statement that no one
went in or out, that convinced them it was a suicide.
I mean, that's like I think we agree it was
like an amateur mistake in the investigation because there were
a number of people inside it. Right, Well, let me
pull up something to show you redacted on that note.
Do you have any information that anyone actually was in
the cell Epstein, there was nobody in his cell, Richmond, Well,
was he gets cut off by Epstein. There was supposed
to be somebody in his cell because he was supposedly
on suicide watch doing whatever, and he was released and
there was supposed to be somebody in his cell, and
there wasn't and he was taken out. He was alone
that night in his cell, and so other like just
evidentiary things. They report that he was found non responsive
in his cell and then he was taken to the hospital.
He wasn't found unresponsive, he was found dead. Okay, Jeffrey
was dead for a minimum of two hours before they
found him. And I will show you how we know that.
Richmond also talk about the description of the indiscernible Epstein. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
a whole bunch of things. I have a list of
the number of the photos. I left it at home, unfortunately,
but I'll pull them up to have a look. Redacted. Now,
are you going to show us why you know that
he was dead for at least two hours? Ebstein? Yeah, question, Okay, Epstein.
I'm going to get to that picture as soon as
I can. Redacted. Just for the recording, I'm just going
to state that mister Epstein has his own laptop and
he is providing us. He's just going to explain the
pictures to us. Epstein, Yeah, pictures in your custody. Epstein. Yeah.
Also in the autopsy, Richmond, and the picture is from
the autopsy redacted from the autopsy, Epstein. They also found,
you know, three broken bones in his neck, which is
extremely rare to have broken bone when you don't have
what's called a soft hanging. You have like Robin Williams
hung himself with a bathrobe thing, with the belt thing.
There are soft hangings, you usually don't break bones, and
he had three breaks, which is one of the reasons
they thought it was more like a homicide question. So
what we're looking at is do you know which bones
we're talking about? Ebstein. It's the higher bone, something like
the indiscernible is what it's called redacted? And did they
ever Ebstein cuts them off and it really isn't he
gets cut off. Discuss anything about chess compressions. Would that
potentially have happened during cpr Epstein? No, Richmond, No, Epstein,
this is the neck, Richmond. Chess compressions are lower Epstein, Yeah,
chess compressions. It can break a rib, not the higher Richmond,
so Ebstein, it felt pretty useful. See this is the
camera that wasn't working redacted, right, Ebstein, that would show
them indiscernible question, and they provided you with all of
this Epstein. Yeah, question, okay, redacted? Really Richmond? Uh huh question?
Oh for the statement of information Richmond that was just
released and announced by indiscernible Epstein. Do you, guys indiscernable
with murder investigations? Is that part of the normally? I mean,
do you have like any forensic experience on that redacted?
So our investigation pertains to the death of he gets
cut off by Epstein, all right, then he gets cut
off by the guy asking the questions, Jeffrey Epstein. Okay.
One thing I'll show you now before we get to
is that the only way they was trying to say that, well,
he put a noose on his neck and sort of
jumped off the top bunk. That would give him that break,
or it would be harsh, you know, like if you
saw Shawshank Redemption when Brooks kicked himself off the chair,
you know, the fall down that's indiscernible because it has
to be harsh like that the top bunk and Jeffrey
cell was filled with his medication. Indiscernible. Nobody was on
that bunk. Nobody jumped off that bunk. I'm just looking
for the next pictures. Also, let me get back for
one second. Should I apologize for not having that list,
mister Richmond indiscernible Epstein. Also, what another question I have
is who was in charge in the prison. First of all,
they move the body, which you're not supposed to do,
and supposedly they indiscernible. You know, when they find a
dead body in prison, they're not supposed to move it.
They're supposed to get the medical Examiner's office indiscernible. Surprise.
I mean, they had it look like he was moved. Now,
if you saw the photographs when they took him out
of the hospital, he was on a gurney and he
was innovated. They were trying to squeeze the tube with
no air in it. It said he's dead for two hours.
Why were they trying to make it look like he
was alive? The EMTs, and I would like to talk
to them. It's redacted, and I think it's indiscernible them
to EMTs if I recall they're the EMTs that were
actually in the cell. Redacted. Okay, Epstein, Now just let
me go back one second. Here's another picture of the
top bunk. You see nobody was there, so I would
like to talk to those two guys redacted. Yeah, Ebstein,
this is the noose right. Look at that. When the
guards found him, the guy was indiscernible. He's saying that
he cut him down, and I think the guard said
Michael Thomas, the guard that found him, he said he
cut him down. You see the edge of his noose thing,
that's a hymned edge that wasn't cut. Okay. If this
was tied to something, this would be wrinkled, it would
be marked from there, you know, like here you see
like creases in this part. There would be something here
showing that this was tied to something. Okay, here's another
question I have. He was dead when they took him
in when they found him, and he was wearing I
checked through someone who was there who said, I guess
that he was wearing in the cell, and he was
wearing his orange boxer shorts and T shirt. The prison
clothing question. Okay, Ebstein. They take his dead body out
and it was either they cut the stuff off of him,
because I have pictures of the boxer shorts cut. Who
dressed the dead body with the hospital gown? Okay, dead
bodies you cover with the sheet. He wasn't going to
run down the hall in the hospital with his balls
flapping in the wind. He didn't have to hide, So
who made that decision? Now? I know that when they
took him to the hospital, there were four people in
the room and somebody had a handheld video and like
they were working down at the hospital. Where's the tape? Redacted? Okay?
How do you know that, Epstein? I was told? Question? Okay.
Also there's a question of why was he moved? Because
you know, you know what indiscernible is redacted? Yes, Ebstein,
you know you die, you fall in your back, your
gut turns purple because you indiscernible. Question okay, Epstein, Now
he was moved. So I want to find out from
Michael Thomas what position was Jeffrey in when he found him.
And I'll know the answer to that because he was
sitting like right by indiscernible. You know, your ass in
the back, your legs are going to go, you know
if you're leaning forward doing it that way, but indiscernible
eggs are going to go. You know, So what position
was he in after they found him? Question, so you
said Michael Thomas made statements, which statements indiscernible Epstein, Well,
he said, he cut him down. Question Where did you
get that statement from Ebstein? It was in the paper,
mister Richmond. It was Ebstein that was that question like
recently or was that Epstein? No question at the time,
Epstein at the time, Richmond. At the time, they hadn't
received the statements from him, then, did they? Epstein. Yeah,
he was indiscernible at the time, but you know he said,
I mean, that's what he said. He would cut him
down and said, you fucked up or you messed up.
You know when the supervisor, he said he messed up
and he didn't do the checks or something to that effect. Question. Okay,
all right, So we're gonna wrap up right here, and
then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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