WEBVTT 1 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:56.320 Wow, can you believe it? 2 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:02.320 Another year has come to an Yeah, we're finishing up 3 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:07.000 twenty twenty five and birthing twenty twenty six. 4 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.879 You know, I guess as you get older, it's like, 5 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:12.079 what happened to the year? What happened to the year. 6 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.280 It's because we have so much responsibility when we're older. 7 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:20.000 We're looking out for our loved ones. We're paying the bills, 8 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:27.239 we're working, we're worrying. We have governmental issues, we have 9 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.959 health care, we have health issues, and it just adds 10 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.439 up and all of a sudden, the time is going. 11 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.719 So I enjoyed twenty twenty five. We did a lot 12 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:45.719 of fun things. We introduced some new and provocative topics 13 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:49.879 here on Earth, ancients, our little sister Destiny has some 14 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.239 fun material too. I got to tell you, this last 15 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:59.519 tour to Guatemala was impressive, not only because we had 16 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:03.159 the wonderful access to the ruins, to be able to 17 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:07.280 walk among them, to climb them, to sit among them, 18 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:12.000 but it was it was fun connecting with the people 19 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:14.719 as well. And I think I've mentioned that a couple 20 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:18.800 of times. But hey, there's many more trips coming up, 21 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.199 and we have a lot happening in twenty twenty six. 22 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.159 I'm not going to be as active in twenty twenty 23 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:28.120 six as I have in the last couple of years 24 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.039 because I'm trying to get this book done. The book 25 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.080 must be finished. 26 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:36.360 I've been talking about it forever so and the publisher's 27 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.199 kind of going, what's going on, buddy, what's happening there. 28 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:44.319 But I want to mention that Gail Tour, our producer, 29 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.960 has been hard at work with new people. We have 30 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:52.400 a lot of new authors that were introducing in twenty 31 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.680 twenty six. Right off the bat. On the first part 32 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.840 of the new year, we have a panel discussion where 33 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.000 we look back at twenty twenty five with some of 34 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.159 the important discoveries that have been made, and that's always 35 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:10.080 that's always good to go through and highlight. But we 36 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.919 also have some new people, we have some old people. 37 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:16.599 We always have a nice mix on Earth Ancients, and 38 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.719 so I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, as I hope 39 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.400 you are with most of the programs here on Earth Ancients. 40 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.159 We try to make the show as interesting as possible, 41 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:33.360 and in some cases we're cutting edge. We present topics 42 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:38.639 that are new, provocative and insightful. Now, one of the 43 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.400 things I do want to talk about is We've had 44 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:43.159 doctor a Vio Lobo on the program a number of times, 45 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.919 and I've been asked to continually have him back when 46 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:53.199 there's new information. He has come out and said, basically 47 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.439 that what is happening was this with the three I 48 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.319 Atlas meteor is that it's not a meteor at all, 49 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.439 It's not a floating rock. It is actually a craft 50 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:07.199 and this is this is We'll have him back at 51 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:11.319 the end of the in of January. This is pretty provocative, 52 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.879 This is pretty unusual for him to say something like that, 53 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:20.040 so but he has he is determined, based on some 54 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:27.279 of the latest Hubble imagery and the science behind the trajectory, 55 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:32.879 how this so called asteroid is moving. He's determined that 56 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:37.360 it is actually as an it's a et craft of 57 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.600 some kind. And we'll have to get him on the 58 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.720 show to hear about this. I mean when I heard that, 59 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.160 I was I was amazed. He has been on countless 60 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.439 programs now and he's backing up what he has to say. Now, 61 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.800 I don't know, he hasn't given us an idea of 62 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.399 is this craft coming to land on Earth or is 63 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.360 he just going to do a flyby. If it's just 64 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:04.639 going to be a flyby, you know, maybe we'll see 65 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:09.279 the body, maybe some craft will come out of this 66 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:14.519 larger mothercraft mothership is if you want to call it that. 67 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.240 I don't know, nobody really knows, but you know me, 68 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:23.759 I mean, I'm all about first contact. Let's stop, you know, 69 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:31.360 pussy footing around with UAPs UFOs, sightings, occasional interactions. Let's 70 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.759 have a ship land, Let's have some communication. Let's have 71 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:40.680 some audio communication where they're actually speaking to us, welcoming 72 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:46.560 us to the planetary brotherhood or whatever. You know, it's time. 73 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.199 I think we're ready. I think we are ready to go. 74 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.399 I think if you think about it, and you're sitting 75 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.079 there and you're going, do I want to have contact 76 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:02.199 with another race of beings? Most people would go, yeah, 77 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.199 I would like to know more about our place in 78 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:11.319 our cosmos. Heaven knows. Our ancestors seem to have understating 79 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:14.600 of it. The Maya talk about the Star people, the Hope, 80 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:19.160 the Navajo, and many other indigenous people to the United 81 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.600 States were very much in tune with Star people. I 82 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:26.560 remember one time we had Cliff Mahodi on the program 83 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:32.399 and he was actively talking about the lineage of his people, 84 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:40.000 the Hope and their interactions with star people. So this 85 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.600 is not casual discussion. This is stuff that happens, but 86 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:45.720 I want it to happen on a larger scale. I 87 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.319 want like the ships to land or a representative of 88 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.759 ship to land. But you know what doesn't have to 89 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:57.040 be that they could send some information through the cosmos 90 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:01.040 and we pick it up on our big dish and 91 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:05.560 all of a sudden we're like, hey, you know, we're 92 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.600 here to talk to you. We want you to wake 93 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:10.360 up and understand that you're not the only ones in 94 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.160 the universe. So that would be a great Willn't that 95 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:16.839 be wonderful for twenty twenty six? I'm thinking it would 96 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:20.160 be great. So anyhow, we're gonna have a great year 97 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.720 twenty twenty six. I hope that you're as you conclude 98 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.560 twenty twenty five, it's been a good year for you. 99 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.600 And if not, this hope twenty twenty six is better. 100 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:35.279 Let's hope it's better. So Happy New Year. Today's program 101 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:40.439 is on ancient history that has been lost, understanding which 102 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:46.639 libraries have been burnt and destroyed, forgotten technology, forgotten wisdom, 103 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:52.600 and just history that we've completely forgotten. So today's program 104 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.439 is Lost in Time, Are Forgotten and Vanishing Knowledge? And 105 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:04.439 my guest is Jack Biolic. You've just finished Christmas, you're 106 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:08.360 preparing for the new year. You have family, you have friends. 107 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.839 You need to keep a connection with that past, to 108 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.480 those events that you've been participating in. What better choice 109 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.720 than our frames. You can collect everything. 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It's the perfect gift for 118 00:08:54.080 --> 00:09:36.399 the holidays and a great way to store memories every year. 119 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.600 Gail Toward, my producer, and I are kind of scanning 120 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:44.600 the internet looking for new material on the ancient civilization topic, 121 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:46.600 and we found a good one in a book called 122 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:51.639 Lost in Time, Are Forgotten and Vanishing Knowledge. It's written 123 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:55.720 by Jack or Bailick. And this is a fascinating book, 124 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:59.200 not only because Jack doesn't have a good job in 125 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:06.679 research unknown and forgotten technologies and systems, but he actually 126 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.639 has a section where he's looking at lost data and 127 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:16.279 how we store maintain our data, how we've lost centuries, 128 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.679 if not thousands of years of information in libraries that 129 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:22.799 have burned, which is horrible. When you read the chapter, 130 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:27.559 you'll be sick. But he's done a great job in 131 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:32.840 looking at technology that people may not have known existed. 132 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.639 That is the title of the book, Lost in Time, 133 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.639 or I should say lost Technology would be a good subtitle. 134 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.559 So Jack, Welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great to have 135 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.399 you on the program. Thank you Cliff for having me 136 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.879 talk a little bit about the motivation behind writing a 137 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.440 book like this, because it's not like sitting down and 138 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:54.840 you know, going through the internet and going, hey, this 139 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:57.840 is something I'm interested in. What was the what was 140 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:02.480 the motivation to write such a detail book? Yeah, well, 141 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:07.200 you know this book took ten years to write. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, 142 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.360 and so you know it started out and the title, 143 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.840 you know, it was interesting too, Lost and time are 144 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:18.399 forgotten and vanishing knowledge, And you think about it, how 145 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:23.120 can you write about knowledge that's been lost or forgotten? 146 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.279 But it turns out that we do it all the time. 147 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.120 So what happened to me was I was sitting there, 148 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.159 I was watching a TV show, I think, and I saw, Oh, 149 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:40.519 they had vending machines in ancient Rome, you know, And 150 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:44.720 I'm like, wow, you know how I didn't realize that, 151 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.399 you know, and you could put a Roman coin in 152 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:51.799 a vending machine and it would dispense holy water at temples, 153 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:56.480 and even more sophisticated, it would send steam up on 154 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:59.279 top of these idols to make them look like they're 155 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:04.000 crying so that the people in the temple would give 156 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:04.600 more money. 157 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:11.039 That hasn't changed in two thousand years. But yeah, but 158 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.000 you know, I said, wow, you know, that's really interesting. 159 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:18.200 But wait a minute, did we always have that? And 160 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.840 then you know, I ran into another fact and another fact, 161 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.600 and I just kind of built upon it and started 162 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.399 investigating it. And there's a lot of things that we've 163 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.320 done before, forgot and then found it again later. 164 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.200 Yeah. You bring up a number of topics that are 165 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:38.960 just fascinating. We're going to go through a few of 166 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:42.919 them today for those of you listening. Lost in Time 167 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:47.279 just It came out a few months ago and is 168 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:51.600 available on Amazon. Is there an audible version? Did you 169 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.799 narrate a copy of the book itself? 170 00:12:55.360 --> 00:13:00.840 Yeah, no, there isn't one yet. There is a kindle version, 171 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:02.919 you know, you can get it on Barnes and Noble two, 172 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.679 So there's a nook version. But yeah, you can get 173 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.039 a electronic version. It's hard back in paperback. 174 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.360 Yeah. Okay, well, let's jump into this. I was a 175 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:17.440 little shocked that you opened with this cataract surgery, which 176 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.440 is something that we all kind of cringe at having 177 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.159 your eyes messed with it all at all, But you 178 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:30.399 discovered that they were doing cataract surgery over four thousand 179 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:38.159 years ago in ancient Egypt. Talk a little bit about that. Yeah, 180 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:44.159 just a side note. Is it record supposed to be on? Yeah, no, 181 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:45.440 I'm recording. 182 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.879 Okay, very good. Yeah, okay, Yeah, cataract surgery. You know, 183 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:56.159 that was probably the most amazing thing that popped out 184 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:04.039 to me. The know, we started cataract surgery and you know, 185 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:08.360 seventeen hundreds or whatever, you know, and it was kind 186 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:13.320 of a tough thing to do, you know, because your 187 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.759 corny of your eye has more nerve endings per square 188 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.720 inch than any other part of your body. 189 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:20.440 Yeah, that's so. 190 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.000 You know, if you get a hair in your eye 191 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:24.679 or a piece of dust, you know, it drives you 192 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.559 nuts until yeah, it out. So what they had to 193 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:32.039 do was tie you to a chair and then do 194 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.759 the cataract surgery, which was a little bit different than 195 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.320 how we do it today. They did a couch that 196 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.120 they lends the eye out of the way so that 197 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:46.759 you could see clearly. But then I found that there's 198 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:53.120 a very famous physician, Shashuda and eight hundred BC, who 199 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.960 did cataract surgery, among other things. He did nose jobs, 200 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:01.720 he did diabetes, treated people for diabetes, all kinds of things. 201 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.720 There's a big book written about him that he wrote, 202 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:09.440 he left notes on what he did, and that was 203 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.679 an eight hundred BC. So he did cataract surgery. And 204 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:17.360 then there's the ebers but Pyrus and on there they 205 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:21.039 did they show where they did cataract surgery in ancient 206 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.639 Egypt and twenty four hundred BC. Oh my god, there's 207 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.600 even records that the Babylonians did cateract surgery as well. 208 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:33.200 So you know, here's a surgery that we think is modern, 209 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.559 although our version is probably better. I think they had 210 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.440 a forty percent success rate. But but you know, very 211 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.320 very amazing that you know, we've we did that, we 212 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.519 forgot about it, lost it, then we did it again, 213 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.200 and then we found it again. 214 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:55.559 Talk about that because you know cateract surgery is the 215 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.840 lens is foggy and you're not able to see through 216 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:05.240 your eye. They're not removing the lens. What are they doing, Jack? 217 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:10.120 Are they are they clearing out some fluid and the eye? 218 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:14.120 What is the exact procedure that they're doing because I 219 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.759 don't think they had artificial lenses back then, did they? 220 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:19.799 No, Well, what they would do is they would just 221 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:25.440 get behind and would push the lens out of the 222 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:29.679 way so that there would be no lens in front 223 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:34.240 of your vision because that lens gets cloudy as you age. 224 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.320 That's a natural thing that happens. So they would just 225 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:40.720 push the lens out of the way. Now you know 226 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.200 it would you wouldn't be focused. You know, you'd lose 227 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:48.879 some of your focusing ability, you know, so you know 228 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:55.080 it's marginally useful, but at least you could see clearly. 229 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:56.960 You know, it would be clear and you could see. 230 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.399 So they're pushing the lens into the eye. Are they 231 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.960 are they moving the limbs? Is that what you're reading? 232 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:04.680 They would push it out of the way. I think 233 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:05.920 they would push it to the side. 234 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.720 Oh my god. Well that doesn't sound very scientific at all. 235 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.559 But I so you're saying that you read that the 236 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:17.920 success rate was forty percent. 237 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:23.400 Yeah, Well, the people would eventually end up blind or 238 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.200 you get an infection in their eye, and then they 239 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:28.359 wouldn't be able to see out of their eye anyways. 240 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:32.480 But you know, I guess people who really wanted to 241 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:33.839 do that would take that chance. 242 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:37.400 Yeah. You know, it's funny because if you study some 243 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.640 of the Greek and of course during the Renaissance period, 244 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:45.000 people like Leonardo da Vinci and Michaelangelo actually did dissection 245 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.440 on the body, and so they kind of would know 246 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.519 some of the inner workings of the body. And I 247 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.119 wonder if we know of this Greek physician that you 248 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:01.200 talk about doing dissection and really understanding that the intricacies 249 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:01.799 of the body. 250 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:07.000 Yeah, from what I've read, there's a lot of information 251 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.880 about the procedures he did. You know, he would tell 252 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.440 in great detail, like for this cataract surgery, they would 253 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.319 put butter on the eye to help heal it. 254 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:18.119 Again. 255 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.000 I don't know if that was a good idea, but 256 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.279 that's what they used, you know, so there's a lot 257 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.599 of details about what he did. I don't know how 258 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.400 he came up with his techniques or how he figured 259 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.359 it out. I don't know that that is documented. 260 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.519 That's fascinating. Let's move on. The famous bag Dad battery 261 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.000 is another feature in your book. Can you talk a 262 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.119 little bit about how that works, because that's a fascinating topic. 263 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.920 Yeah, well that was about two thousand years ago. You know, 264 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:53.720 that's when those batteries were made. There basically, you know, 265 00:18:53.880 --> 00:19:01.240 just a clay pot. But they've been able to reproduce 266 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:06.680 how these worked today. I think MythBusters did a thing 267 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.240 on them where they actually made some, but there's been 268 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.240 other experiments and what they would do is take a 269 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:16.599 mild acid, like by using lemon juice or something like that, 270 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:24.160 and you could make it into a battery that they 271 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:30.359 estimate would generate about one point one volts. So, you know, 272 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.680 the next question is now, what do we do with 273 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.880 one point one volts? Two thousand years ago? 274 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:38.640 Yeah, so. 275 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:44.400 You know there's conjecture maybe a light of some kind 276 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:49.359 or maybe for some healing kind of effects or something 277 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:53.519 like that. But we're not sure, of course, but they 278 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:56.160 found twelve of them, so you know, it wasn't a mistake, 279 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:02.160 it wasn't an accident. They definitely were manufacturing these. And yeah, 280 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:07.359 so it's pretty interesting. And we think batteries are you know, 281 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:13.359 today's invention. Yeah, it's amazing that we have found these batteries. 282 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.599 You suggest a light of some kind. Is there any 283 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.599 attachment that they would use to create a low vault 284 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:24.200 light of some kind or is it just they've only 285 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:29.839 measured the electrical charge? Yeah, yeah, they've just done the measurement. 286 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:34.519 They know that that voltage is there and that it 287 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.799 can be you know, it could be used. 288 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:40.839 And no idea what what it could be used for 289 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.559 such a low charge. Just like it's amazing though that 290 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.440 they're able to generate that. It's almost like it's part 291 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:51.680 of a lost technology of some kind. Yeah, well that 292 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:55.319 this this is really the crux of it is that 293 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.799 there are many examples of things. You know, we have 294 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:01.880 things that we find or whatever that we don't know 295 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:02.920 what they were. 296 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:08.000 Four. So if I can I have here a replica 297 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.680 of an ancient Roman dough decahedron, Right, I've seen a bit. 298 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:14.279 Have you seen these? Yeah? 299 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.200 Yeah, So the interesting thing about these is so they're 300 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:24.359 twelve sided device. They found these artifacts around They think 301 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:29.920 they're manufactured around the year two hundred and in Roman 302 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.920 encampments in Britain, and they found one hundred or so 303 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:39.640 of these, so they're not mistakes. There's twelve sides. There's 304 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:41.960 six on the top and six on the bottom. That's 305 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:47.559 a dough decahedron. But the interesting thing about these is 306 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:51.680 we don't know what they're for. Like we know that 307 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.440 they made them. There's a lot of conjecture. We think 308 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:58.680 maybe they're used for knitting, or they think they were 309 00:21:58.759 --> 00:22:03.359 used for you know, games, or they think maybe they 310 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:08.599 were used for all sorts of all sorts of things, 311 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:12.799 for doing what do you call it when you measure 312 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:19.160 distances and that sort of thing. But we don't know. 313 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:23.559 There's nothing written, there's no drawing of one of these. 314 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.319 There's no indication even of how they made them. They're 315 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.279 they're kind of this is a replica, of course, the 316 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.519 real ones. You can look up a real picture. They 317 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.000 look very similar to this. They have these knobs out them. 318 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:34.160 They're made out of bronze. 319 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:39.240 They are made out of bronze. Yeah. Are they manufactured 320 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:43.079 like poured into a mold or how are they made? Yeah, 321 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:46.240 well that's the question because they're kind of sophisticated in 322 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:50.160 their manufacture. You know, could you pour this into a mold? 323 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:54.440 How would you get these knobs out? I mean, would 324 00:22:54.480 --> 00:23:00.759 be an interesting thing to make even you know today 325 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:05.680 might be a bit of a challenge, but you know, 326 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.160 we have so just like the Bagdad battery, we've got 327 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:13.440 these do decahedron. We don't know, you know, we don't 328 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:15.240 know how they made them. We don't know what they 329 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:16.799 were for. We know there's a lot. 330 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:21.960 Of them, you know, there's and then there's the big one, 331 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.680 you know, and Egypt, the elephant in the room, so 332 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:31.960 to speak, the Great Pyramids you know of Egypt. 333 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:32.720 Yeah. 334 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.359 Yeah, all kinds of conjecture about how they were made 335 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.759 as aliens or not or people or what technology did 336 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.920 they use, And the point is we don't know. I mean, 337 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:49.519 it's all conjecture. Yeah, so it's lost technology. 338 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:55.839 That thehedron is Roman period, you're saying, And was it 339 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.319 attached when they found it? Was it buried? Was it attached? 340 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.559 You said, You've there's been a number of them that 341 00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:07.640 were found. What is the speculation? Is there any ideas 342 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:13.039 that's not a simple item. It looks very sophisticated. Some 343 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:17.759 engineering genius made it for some purpose. Yeah. 344 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.559 Well, you know it had to be made. It had 345 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:24.119 to be made with purpose. You know, you just can't 346 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:28.039 put you know, you know, it's just going to build 347 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:30.160 one of those, you know, maybe for to put on 348 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:35.720 the table. I don't know, I don't know. Uh. Yeah, 349 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:42.000 they think maybe it was a rangefinder, a candlestickholder, a 350 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:46.799 dice for gambling, something for the venation, you know, maybe 351 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:51.839 a spiritual use. It seems too sophisticated for that simple 352 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.559 of use, which brings me the next topic that you describe, 353 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:01.440 which is the Anticotherian device or mechanism that has been 354 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.400 dated to over two thousand years old. Now that thing 355 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:09.640 is really an out of place artifact because it's a computer, 356 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:15.359 isn't it. Yeah, well, it's been called by many sources 357 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:23.039 a computer. It's got sophistication in it that is very contemporary, 358 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:28.880 very modern, and so whoever built that, and they've done 359 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.440 a lot of testing on it. There's replicas of it 360 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:38.519 that have been built. You know, they've done X rays 361 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:44.839 to find the dials and the gears that are within it, 362 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:49.599 so they know pretty much how it was, how it worked. 363 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:53.480 But I mean, that's that's one of these devices that 364 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:58.480 shows up at the bottom of the ocean in I 365 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:06.119 think it's in crete somewhere, and they can't link it 366 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:10.000 to any known civilization. It's like it was, you know, 367 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.680 it came out of nowhere. It's just so sophisticated in 368 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.759 its gears. And one of the questions I wanted to 369 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:19.559 ask you is are the gears manufactured or are they 370 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.039 hand carved on that thing? 371 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:29.680 Well, of course they've been underwater for a couple of 372 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:36.720 thousand years and they're encrusted, so I don't know that 373 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:44.359 they've been able to determine exactly, you know, how they 374 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:49.200 were manufactured, but they you know, they had manufacturing techniques 375 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:54.359 at that time where something could be you know, possibly 376 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.720 made that way. Well we see the decahedron here, and 377 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:04.440 I mean the Romans were very smart. But yeah, so 378 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:11.799 it's it's got dials on it and gears. I think 379 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:18.000 they estimate seventy five discrete fragments with Okay, handcut, they 380 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:18.680 are handcut. 381 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:24.960 The gears are handcut. Yeah, that that's you know, was 382 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.960 it cut from was it duplicated from a master plan 383 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.720 that was manufactured. Is it from Atlantis? Is it from 384 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:38.559 the Minoans? Is it from an earlier civilization? It is 385 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:45.759 really an enigma, a complete enigma. Well, they estimate it 386 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.279 was from built in two hundred BC. Now I don't 387 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.640 know how they can estimate that, because metal, you can't 388 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:57.400 carbon dates anything like that. So I mean, could it 389 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:02.200 have come from an older you know, an. 390 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:07.599 Older culture suppose, so you know, it's metal, so it 391 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.519 could have been around a long time. But it is 392 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:16.160 a type of astrolobe, so that was something in ancient 393 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:21.079 times people were very interested in. You know, an astrolobe 394 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.799 shows the position of the stars around the earth. You know, 395 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:29.839 it's a globe and it would show where the stars 396 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:35.079 would be at any particular time, and that could help 397 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:42.559 with navigation or different different purposes that they might have 398 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:51.279 zodiac signs and that sort of thing. But you know 399 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.680 who would use an astrolobe. You know, they've been used 400 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:59.119 for thousands of years. Those have been manufactured in other 401 00:28:59.200 --> 00:28:59.960