Speaker 1: Wow, can you believe it?
Speaker 2: Another year has come to an Yeah, we're finishing up
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and birthing twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess as you get older, it's like,
Speaker 1: what happened to the year? What happened to the year.
Speaker 1: It's because we have so much responsibility when we're older.
Speaker 2: We're looking out for our loved ones. We're paying the bills,
Speaker 2: we're working, we're worrying. We have governmental issues, we have
Speaker 2: health care, we have health issues, and it just adds
Speaker 2: up and all of a sudden, the time is going.
Speaker 2: So I enjoyed twenty twenty five. We did a lot
Speaker 2: of fun things. We introduced some new and provocative topics
Speaker 2: here on Earth, ancients, our little sister Destiny has some
Speaker 2: fun material too. I got to tell you, this last
Speaker 2: tour to Guatemala was impressive, not only because we had
Speaker 2: the wonderful access to the ruins, to be able to
Speaker 2: walk among them, to climb them, to sit among them,
Speaker 2: but it was it was fun connecting with the people
Speaker 2: as well. And I think I've mentioned that a couple
Speaker 2: of times. But hey, there's many more trips coming up,
Speaker 2: and we have a lot happening in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be as active in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six as I have in the last couple of years
Speaker 2: because I'm trying to get this book done. The book
Speaker 2: must be finished.
Speaker 1: I've been talking about it forever so and the publisher's
Speaker 1: kind of going, what's going on, buddy, what's happening there.
Speaker 1: But I want to mention that Gail Tour, our producer,
Speaker 1: has been hard at work with new people. We have
Speaker 1: a lot of new authors that were introducing in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. Right off the bat. On the first part
Speaker 1: of the new year, we have a panel discussion where
Speaker 1: we look back at twenty twenty five with some of
Speaker 1: the important discoveries that have been made, and that's always
Speaker 1: that's always good to go through and highlight. But we
Speaker 1: also have some new people, we have some old people.
Speaker 1: We always have a nice mix on Earth Ancients, and
Speaker 1: so I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, as I hope
Speaker 1: you are with most of the programs here on Earth Ancients.
Speaker 1: We try to make the show as interesting as possible,
Speaker 1: and in some cases we're cutting edge. We present topics
Speaker 1: that are new, provocative and insightful. Now, one of the
Speaker 1: things I do want to talk about is We've had
Speaker 1: doctor a Vio Lobo on the program a number of times,
Speaker 1: and I've been asked to continually have him back when
Speaker 1: there's new information. He has come out and said, basically
Speaker 1: that what is happening was this with the three I
Speaker 1: Atlas meteor is that it's not a meteor at all,
Speaker 1: It's not a floating rock. It is actually a craft
Speaker 1: and this is this is We'll have him back at
Speaker 1: the end of the in of January. This is pretty provocative,
Speaker 1: This is pretty unusual for him to say something like that,
Speaker 1: so but he has he is determined, based on some
Speaker 1: of the latest Hubble imagery and the science behind the trajectory,
Speaker 1: how this so called asteroid is moving. He's determined that
Speaker 1: it is actually as an it's a et craft of
Speaker 1: some kind. And we'll have to get him on the
Speaker 1: show to hear about this. I mean when I heard that,
Speaker 1: I was I was amazed. He has been on countless
Speaker 1: programs now and he's backing up what he has to say. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he hasn't given us an idea of
Speaker 1: is this craft coming to land on Earth or is
Speaker 1: he just going to do a flyby. If it's just
Speaker 1: going to be a flyby, you know, maybe we'll see
Speaker 1: the body, maybe some craft will come out of this
Speaker 1: larger mothercraft mothership is if you want to call it that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, nobody really knows, but you know me,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all about first contact. Let's stop, you know,
Speaker 1: pussy footing around with UAPs UFOs, sightings, occasional interactions. Let's
Speaker 1: have a ship land, Let's have some communication. Let's have
Speaker 1: some audio communication where they're actually speaking to us, welcoming
Speaker 1: us to the planetary brotherhood or whatever. You know, it's time.
Speaker 1: I think we're ready. I think we are ready to go.
Speaker 1: I think if you think about it, and you're sitting
Speaker 1: there and you're going, do I want to have contact
Speaker 1: with another race of beings? Most people would go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to know more about our place in
Speaker 1: our cosmos. Heaven knows. Our ancestors seem to have understating
Speaker 1: of it. The Maya talk about the Star people, the Hope,
Speaker 1: the Navajo, and many other indigenous people to the United
Speaker 1: States were very much in tune with Star people. I
Speaker 1: remember one time we had Cliff Mahodi on the program
Speaker 1: and he was actively talking about the lineage of his people,
Speaker 1: the Hope and their interactions with star people. So this
Speaker 1: is not casual discussion. This is stuff that happens, but
Speaker 1: I want it to happen on a larger scale. I
Speaker 1: want like the ships to land or a representative of
Speaker 1: ship to land. But you know what doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be that they could send some information through the cosmos
Speaker 1: and we pick it up on our big dish and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're like, hey, you know, we're
Speaker 1: here to talk to you. We want you to wake
Speaker 1: up and understand that you're not the only ones in
Speaker 1: the universe. So that would be a great Willn't that
Speaker 1: be wonderful for twenty twenty six? I'm thinking it would
Speaker 1: be great. So anyhow, we're gonna have a great year
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. I hope that you're as you conclude
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, it's been a good year for you.
Speaker 1: And if not, this hope twenty twenty six is better.
Speaker 1: Let's hope it's better. So Happy New Year. Today's program
Speaker 1: is on ancient history that has been lost, understanding which
Speaker 1: libraries have been burnt and destroyed, forgotten technology, forgotten wisdom,
Speaker 1: and just history that we've completely forgotten. So today's program
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Speaker 1: Gail Toward, my producer, and I are kind of scanning
Speaker 1: the internet looking for new material on the ancient civilization topic,
Speaker 1: and we found a good one in a book called
Speaker 1: Lost in Time, Are Forgotten and Vanishing Knowledge. It's written
Speaker 1: by Jack or Bailick. And this is a fascinating book,
Speaker 1: not only because Jack doesn't have a good job in
Speaker 1: research unknown and forgotten technologies and systems, but he actually
Speaker 1: has a section where he's looking at lost data and
Speaker 1: how we store maintain our data, how we've lost centuries,
Speaker 1: if not thousands of years of information in libraries that
Speaker 1: have burned, which is horrible. When you read the chapter,
Speaker 1: you'll be sick. But he's done a great job in
Speaker 1: looking at technology that people may not have known existed.
Speaker 1: That is the title of the book, Lost in Time,
Speaker 1: or I should say lost Technology would be a good subtitle.
Speaker 1: So Jack, Welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great to have
Speaker 1: you on the program. Thank you Cliff for having me
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the motivation behind writing a
Speaker 1: book like this, because it's not like sitting down and
Speaker 1: you know, going through the internet and going, hey, this
Speaker 1: is something I'm interested in. What was the what was
Speaker 1: the motivation to write such a detail book? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know this book took ten years to write. Oh wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you know it started out and the title,
Speaker 1: you know, it was interesting too, Lost and time are
Speaker 1: forgotten and vanishing knowledge, And you think about it, how
Speaker 1: can you write about knowledge that's been lost or forgotten?
Speaker 1: But it turns out that we do it all the time.
Speaker 1: So what happened to me was I was sitting there,
Speaker 1: I was watching a TV show, I think, and I saw, Oh,
Speaker 1: they had vending machines in ancient Rome, you know, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, you know how I didn't realize that,
Speaker 1: you know, and you could put a Roman coin in
Speaker 1: a vending machine and it would dispense holy water at temples,
Speaker 1: and even more sophisticated, it would send steam up on
Speaker 1: top of these idols to make them look like they're
Speaker 1: crying so that the people in the temple would give
Speaker 1: more money.
Speaker 3: That hasn't changed in two thousand years. But yeah, but
Speaker 3: you know, I said, wow, you know, that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: But wait a minute, did we always have that? And
Speaker 3: then you know, I ran into another fact and another fact,
Speaker 3: and I just kind of built upon it and started
Speaker 3: investigating it. And there's a lot of things that we've
Speaker 3: done before, forgot and then found it again later.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You bring up a number of topics that are
Speaker 1: just fascinating. We're going to go through a few of
Speaker 1: them today for those of you listening. Lost in Time
Speaker 1: just It came out a few months ago and is
Speaker 1: available on Amazon. Is there an audible version? Did you
Speaker 1: narrate a copy of the book itself?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there isn't one yet. There is a kindle version,
Speaker 3: you know, you can get it on Barnes and Noble two,
Speaker 3: So there's a nook version. But yeah, you can get
Speaker 3: a electronic version. It's hard back in paperback.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, well, let's jump into this. I was a
Speaker 1: little shocked that you opened with this cataract surgery, which
Speaker 1: is something that we all kind of cringe at having
Speaker 1: your eyes messed with it all at all, But you
Speaker 1: discovered that they were doing cataract surgery over four thousand
Speaker 1: years ago in ancient Egypt. Talk a little bit about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a side note. Is it record supposed to be on? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm recording.
Speaker 3: Okay, very good. Yeah, okay, Yeah, cataract surgery. You know,
Speaker 3: that was probably the most amazing thing that popped out
Speaker 3: to me. The know, we started cataract surgery and you know,
Speaker 3: seventeen hundreds or whatever, you know, and it was kind
Speaker 3: of a tough thing to do, you know, because your
Speaker 3: corny of your eye has more nerve endings per square
Speaker 3: inch than any other part of your body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 3: You know, if you get a hair in your eye
Speaker 3: or a piece of dust, you know, it drives you
Speaker 3: nuts until yeah, it out. So what they had to
Speaker 3: do was tie you to a chair and then do
Speaker 3: the cataract surgery, which was a little bit different than
Speaker 3: how we do it today. They did a couch that
Speaker 3: they lends the eye out of the way so that
Speaker 3: you could see clearly. But then I found that there's
Speaker 3: a very famous physician, Shashuda and eight hundred BC, who
Speaker 3: did cataract surgery, among other things. He did nose jobs,
Speaker 3: he did diabetes, treated people for diabetes, all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: There's a big book written about him that he wrote,
Speaker 3: he left notes on what he did, and that was
Speaker 3: an eight hundred BC. So he did cataract surgery. And
Speaker 3: then there's the ebers but Pyrus and on there they
Speaker 3: did they show where they did cataract surgery in ancient
Speaker 3: Egypt and twenty four hundred BC. Oh my god, there's
Speaker 3: even records that the Babylonians did cateract surgery as well.
Speaker 3: So you know, here's a surgery that we think is modern,
Speaker 3: although our version is probably better. I think they had
Speaker 3: a forty percent success rate. But but you know, very
Speaker 3: very amazing that you know, we've we did that, we
Speaker 3: forgot about it, lost it, then we did it again,
Speaker 3: and then we found it again.
Speaker 1: Talk about that because you know cateract surgery is the
Speaker 1: lens is foggy and you're not able to see through
Speaker 1: your eye. They're not removing the lens. What are they doing, Jack?
Speaker 1: Are they are they clearing out some fluid and the eye?
Speaker 1: What is the exact procedure that they're doing because I
Speaker 1: don't think they had artificial lenses back then, did they?
Speaker 3: No, Well, what they would do is they would just
Speaker 3: get behind and would push the lens out of the
Speaker 3: way so that there would be no lens in front
Speaker 3: of your vision because that lens gets cloudy as you age.
Speaker 3: That's a natural thing that happens. So they would just
Speaker 3: push the lens out of the way. Now you know
Speaker 3: it would you wouldn't be focused. You know, you'd lose
Speaker 3: some of your focusing ability, you know, so you know
Speaker 3: it's marginally useful, but at least you could see clearly.
Speaker 3: You know, it would be clear and you could see.
Speaker 1: So they're pushing the lens into the eye. Are they
Speaker 1: are they moving the limbs? Is that what you're reading?
Speaker 3: They would push it out of the way. I think
Speaker 3: they would push it to the side.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well that doesn't sound very scientific at all.
Speaker 1: But I so you're saying that you read that the
Speaker 1: success rate was forty percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the people would eventually end up blind or
Speaker 3: you get an infection in their eye, and then they
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to see out of their eye anyways.
Speaker 3: But you know, I guess people who really wanted to
Speaker 3: do that would take that chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it's funny because if you study some
Speaker 1: of the Greek and of course during the Renaissance period,
Speaker 1: people like Leonardo da Vinci and Michaelangelo actually did dissection
Speaker 1: on the body, and so they kind of would know
Speaker 1: some of the inner workings of the body. And I
Speaker 1: wonder if we know of this Greek physician that you
Speaker 1: talk about doing dissection and really understanding that the intricacies
Speaker 1: of the body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from what I've read, there's a lot of information
Speaker 3: about the procedures he did. You know, he would tell
Speaker 3: in great detail, like for this cataract surgery, they would
Speaker 3: put butter on the eye to help heal it.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was a good idea, but
Speaker 3: that's what they used, you know, so there's a lot
Speaker 3: of details about what he did. I don't know how
Speaker 3: he came up with his techniques or how he figured
Speaker 3: it out. I don't know that that is documented.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Let's move on. The famous bag Dad battery
Speaker 1: is another feature in your book. Can you talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about how that works, because that's a fascinating topic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was about two thousand years ago. You know,
Speaker 3: that's when those batteries were made. There basically, you know,
Speaker 3: just a clay pot. But they've been able to reproduce
Speaker 3: how these worked today. I think MythBusters did a thing
Speaker 3: on them where they actually made some, but there's been
Speaker 3: other experiments and what they would do is take a
Speaker 3: mild acid, like by using lemon juice or something like that,
Speaker 3: and you could make it into a battery that they
Speaker 3: estimate would generate about one point one volts. So, you know,
Speaker 3: the next question is now, what do we do with
Speaker 3: one point one volts? Two thousand years ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: You know there's conjecture maybe a light of some kind
Speaker 3: or maybe for some healing kind of effects or something
Speaker 3: like that. But we're not sure, of course, but they
Speaker 3: found twelve of them, so you know, it wasn't a mistake,
Speaker 3: it wasn't an accident. They definitely were manufacturing these. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's pretty interesting. And we think batteries are you know,
Speaker 3: today's invention. Yeah, it's amazing that we have found these batteries.
Speaker 3: You suggest a light of some kind. Is there any
Speaker 3: attachment that they would use to create a low vault
Speaker 3: light of some kind or is it just they've only
Speaker 3: measured the electrical charge? Yeah, yeah, they've just done the measurement.
Speaker 3: They know that that voltage is there and that it
Speaker 3: can be you know, it could be used.
Speaker 1: And no idea what what it could be used for
Speaker 1: such a low charge. Just like it's amazing though that
Speaker 1: they're able to generate that. It's almost like it's part
Speaker 1: of a lost technology of some kind. Yeah, well that
Speaker 1: this this is really the crux of it is that
Speaker 1: there are many examples of things. You know, we have
Speaker 1: things that we find or whatever that we don't know
Speaker 1: what they were.
Speaker 3: Four. So if I can I have here a replica
Speaker 3: of an ancient Roman dough decahedron, Right, I've seen a bit.
Speaker 1: Have you seen these? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the interesting thing about these is so they're
Speaker 3: twelve sided device. They found these artifacts around They think
Speaker 3: they're manufactured around the year two hundred and in Roman
Speaker 3: encampments in Britain, and they found one hundred or so
Speaker 3: of these, so they're not mistakes. There's twelve sides. There's
Speaker 3: six on the top and six on the bottom. That's
Speaker 3: a dough decahedron. But the interesting thing about these is
Speaker 3: we don't know what they're for. Like we know that
Speaker 3: they made them. There's a lot of conjecture. We think
Speaker 3: maybe they're used for knitting, or they think they were
Speaker 3: used for you know, games, or they think maybe they
Speaker 3: were used for all sorts of all sorts of things,
Speaker 3: for doing what do you call it when you measure
Speaker 3: distances and that sort of thing. But we don't know.
Speaker 3: There's nothing written, there's no drawing of one of these.
Speaker 3: There's no indication even of how they made them. They're
Speaker 3: they're kind of this is a replica, of course, the
Speaker 3: real ones. You can look up a real picture. They
Speaker 3: look very similar to this. They have these knobs out them.
Speaker 3: They're made out of bronze.
Speaker 1: They are made out of bronze. Yeah. Are they manufactured
Speaker 1: like poured into a mold or how are they made? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's the question because they're kind of sophisticated in
Speaker 1: their manufacture. You know, could you pour this into a mold?
Speaker 1: How would you get these knobs out? I mean, would
Speaker 1: be an interesting thing to make even you know today
Speaker 1: might be a bit of a challenge, but you know,
Speaker 1: we have so just like the Bagdad battery, we've got
Speaker 1: these do decahedron. We don't know, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: know how they made them. We don't know what they
Speaker 1: were for. We know there's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of them, you know, there's and then there's the big one,
Speaker 3: you know, and Egypt, the elephant in the room, so
Speaker 3: to speak, the Great Pyramids you know of Egypt.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all kinds of conjecture about how they were made
Speaker 3: as aliens or not or people or what technology did
Speaker 3: they use, And the point is we don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's all conjecture. Yeah, so it's lost technology.
Speaker 1: That thehedron is Roman period, you're saying, And was it
Speaker 1: attached when they found it? Was it buried? Was it attached?
Speaker 1: You said, You've there's been a number of them that
Speaker 1: were found. What is the speculation? Is there any ideas
Speaker 1: that's not a simple item. It looks very sophisticated. Some
Speaker 1: engineering genius made it for some purpose. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know it had to be made. It had
Speaker 3: to be made with purpose. You know, you just can't
Speaker 3: put you know, you know, it's just going to build
Speaker 3: one of those, you know, maybe for to put on
Speaker 3: the table. I don't know, I don't know. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they think maybe it was a rangefinder, a candlestickholder, a
Speaker 3: dice for gambling, something for the venation, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: a spiritual use. It seems too sophisticated for that simple
Speaker 3: of use, which brings me the next topic that you describe,
Speaker 3: which is the Anticotherian device or mechanism that has been
Speaker 3: dated to over two thousand years old. Now that thing
Speaker 3: is really an out of place artifact because it's a computer,
Speaker 3: isn't it. Yeah, well, it's been called by many sources
Speaker 3: a computer. It's got sophistication in it that is very contemporary,
Speaker 3: very modern, and so whoever built that, and they've done
Speaker 3: a lot of testing on it. There's replicas of it
Speaker 3: that have been built. You know, they've done X rays
Speaker 3: to find the dials and the gears that are within it,
Speaker 3: so they know pretty much how it was, how it worked.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's that's one of these devices that
Speaker 1: shows up at the bottom of the ocean in I
Speaker 1: think it's in crete somewhere, and they can't link it
Speaker 1: to any known civilization. It's like it was, you know,
Speaker 1: it came out of nowhere. It's just so sophisticated in
Speaker 1: its gears. And one of the questions I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you is are the gears manufactured or are they
Speaker 1: hand carved on that thing?
Speaker 3: Well, of course they've been underwater for a couple of
Speaker 3: thousand years and they're encrusted, so I don't know that
Speaker 3: they've been able to determine exactly, you know, how they
Speaker 3: were manufactured, but they you know, they had manufacturing techniques
Speaker 3: at that time where something could be you know, possibly
Speaker 3: made that way. Well we see the decahedron here, and
Speaker 3: I mean the Romans were very smart. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's it's got dials on it and gears. I think
Speaker 3: they estimate seventy five discrete fragments with Okay, handcut, they
Speaker 3: are handcut.
Speaker 1: The gears are handcut. Yeah, that that's you know, was
Speaker 1: it cut from was it duplicated from a master plan
Speaker 1: that was manufactured. Is it from Atlantis? Is it from
Speaker 1: the Minoans? Is it from an earlier civilization? It is
Speaker 1: really an enigma, a complete enigma. Well, they estimate it
Speaker 1: was from built in two hundred BC. Now I don't
Speaker 1: know how they can estimate that, because metal, you can't
Speaker 1: carbon dates anything like that. So I mean, could it
Speaker 1: have come from an older you know, an.
Speaker 3: Older culture suppose, so you know, it's metal, so it
Speaker 3: could have been around a long time. But it is
Speaker 3: a type of astrolobe, so that was something in ancient
Speaker 3: times people were very interested in. You know, an astrolobe
Speaker 3: shows the position of the stars around the earth. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a globe and it would show where the stars
Speaker 3: would be at any particular time, and that could help
Speaker 3: with navigation or different different purposes that they might have
Speaker 3: zodiac signs and that sort of thing. But you know
Speaker 3: who would use an astrolobe. You know, they've been used
Speaker 3: for thousands of years. Those have been manufactured in other
Speaker 3: forms as well.
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Speaker 1: who has written a book called Lost in Time, Are
Speaker 1: Forgotten and Vanishing Knowledge. This is a history of knowledge
Speaker 1: lost through time, through fires, through wars, through pestilence, but
Speaker 1: also inventions that we've forgot about and have been handed
Speaker 1: down through the ages. So this device or mechanism was
Speaker 1: it used primarily for navigation? Do you think so? They
Speaker 1: would set up in a pattern. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: and maybe you can shed some light on it. How
Speaker 1: they hypothesize it was used. What the theory is on
Speaker 1: the use of this mechanism, because I always thought it
Speaker 1: was like you said it and then you as you're sailing,
Speaker 1: you fix on a certain star constellation so you know
Speaker 1: where you're going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they So the experts say that it's a
Speaker 3: ancestor of weather tracking, uh and a type of a
Speaker 3: GPS device really, so it would be it would do
Speaker 3: many of the calculations that you would use to figure out, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, where you're at, that sort of thing, so
Speaker 3: you know, GPS tells you where you are and and
Speaker 3: date and time too. So this this device was accurate
Speaker 3: with date and time and compensated for leap years as well.
Speaker 3: So what's your gut feeling on this, Jack?
Speaker 1: Is it something that comes out of uh nowhere? And
Speaker 1: it is so as you know as a rudimentary computer.
Speaker 1: Who's the brains behind that?
Speaker 3: Who thought that up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, again we don't have written records or there were
Speaker 3: no records found with it, and so you know, obviously
Speaker 3: somebody you know designed that and put it together. Uh
Speaker 3: you know, but we have other experts in the world
Speaker 3: that have divine you know, design things and and trying
Speaker 3: to think, you know, even samples of the death ray
Speaker 3: that was used in ancient times to fight the Romans
Speaker 3: off and so we have records of that. But if
Speaker 3: this artifact is older than two thousand years old, you know, look,
Speaker 3: only one point six percent of human history has been recorded,
Speaker 3: so you know, there's much out there that we don't
Speaker 3: know about. They've forgotten that we don't even know. And
Speaker 3: so this balls into one of those categories.
Speaker 1: Hans lost in time. Good title. You spend a great
Speaker 1: deal of time on water works or plumbing, your chapter
Speaker 1: of the Great Plumbing Debate is really amazing because there's
Speaker 1: a number of extremely old uh clization that felt that
Speaker 1: plumbing and toilets were essential. And I want you to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Orkney Islands of Scotland.
Speaker 1: They had indoor toilets and I didn't know that, And
Speaker 1: I want you to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: waterworks that would go into something like that, because I
Speaker 1: didn't have a clue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know they have archaeologists have found that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: back in Neolithic people in Scotland and the Orkney Islands
Speaker 3: they found toilets and sewers, and you know that's three
Speaker 3: thousand to two thousand BC, and that's pretty pretty old. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Babylonians had sewers and twenty nine hundred BC, and even
Speaker 3: the Romans and five hundred BC. So but the Middle Ages,
Speaker 3: you know, they they forgot about toilets, and you know,
Speaker 3: we had sewage running off the top of buildings and
Speaker 3: into streets. So you know, it took until the fifteen
Speaker 3: hundreds for us to start to use toilets again in castles.
Speaker 3: So you know, this is an example of something that
Speaker 3: we really need. You know, it's a human need and
Speaker 3: not only that. You know, in the Middle Ages we
Speaker 3: had all the problems with the Black plague and a
Speaker 3: lot of death that was probably unnecessary if we would
Speaker 3: have had good hygiene. They knew about that, They knew
Speaker 3: about that years ago. Yeah, I mean, you're right, the
Speaker 3: black plague.
Speaker 1: And these these horrible diseases were cultivated in that terrible period.
Speaker 1: The other thing about the plumbing is that you go
Speaker 1: into copper pipes that are found in the Indus Valley
Speaker 1: of India, and that area has been dated to thousands
Speaker 1: of years before Christ. I think in this valley is
Speaker 1: twelve thousand years and some places are older. How do
Speaker 1: they use the copper pipes in that situation? Did they
Speaker 1: run them under the buildings or what did they discover? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well certainly they did find them under the buildings,
Speaker 3: and there are many civilizations. While that Indus Valley is
Speaker 3: very interesting the technology and things that they've found there.
Speaker 3: There is some indication that they've even found remnants of
Speaker 3: an atomic explosion that in that area. They've found classified
Speaker 3: artifacts and some radioactive senders have been found. So not
Speaker 3: only did they have toilets, they had, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: some other technology as well that could be useful. But
Speaker 3: the interesting thing we're having with with that civilization is
Speaker 3: that there is writing available, there is language available there
Speaker 3: from fifty three hundred years ago, and the Tamil Nadu
Speaker 3: organization there, the government of Tamil Nadu, has put up
Speaker 3: a one million dollar reward for anyone who can crack
Speaker 3: the script that was used by these people. So maybe
Speaker 3: if we do that, we could figure out what these
Speaker 3: things and what their technology was. Is there any written
Speaker 3: documents or tablets of any any kind that we have
Speaker 3: in our possession that we just need to crack in
Speaker 3: terms of understanding, Oh yeah, there are several. I mentioned
Speaker 3: this one. This is a language there that's fifty three
Speaker 3: hundred years old. We've also had the manuscript of I
Speaker 3: forgot the name of oh okay, the Vanoyage manuscript, which
Speaker 3: is housed at the Yale University Library. They have and
Speaker 3: that manuscript is interesting because scholars and linguists and cryptologists
Speaker 3: have all tried to crack that manuscript. Now it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: You can look it up online and view it and
Speaker 3: it's got interesting pictures of people and they're dancing plants
Speaker 3: that seem otherworldly almost in a language. They have been
Speaker 3: able to determine by using computers that the language is
Speaker 3: a real language. There's a certain law that languages have
Speaker 3: to follow in order to be an actual language, not
Speaker 3: one that's been made up, you know, for example. But
Speaker 3: this is a real language, and it follows the correct
Speaker 3: laws for languages. And that manuscript has been around, oh
Speaker 3: for hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: We found it.
Speaker 3: They think it was made somewhere in fourteen hundreds or
Speaker 3: something like that. Carbon dated the paper, but they don't
Speaker 3: know how to read it. They don't know how to
Speaker 3: decode it. So you need something that you know, you
Speaker 3: need a progression in order to be able to decode
Speaker 3: a language, you know, if you lose the context of
Speaker 3: how that language was put together. You know, ancient hieroglyphs,
Speaker 3: they had a difficult time. They were on the wrong
Speaker 3: track for many, many years trying to decode the hieroglyphs
Speaker 3: until they found the stela there that had several languages
Speaker 3: on it and they could translate it right exactly. Let's
Speaker 3: talk about the lost libraries. This is a real sad
Speaker 3: statement about human kind. You start with Alexandria Library, which
Speaker 3: was at its time the largest, most sophisticated library in
Speaker 3: the world, and something that you wrote I thought was
Speaker 3: quite interesting. I think you believe you wrote that the
Speaker 3: administrators of the library would talk to all the captains
Speaker 3: who would more their ships in the harbor and say,
Speaker 3: we need to have all your books that we can translate.
Speaker 3: You'll get a copy, and we're going to keep a
Speaker 3: copy too, because these guys are all over the world
Speaker 3: and perhaps talking to other civilizations that are in existence
Speaker 3: at the time. How many documents scrolls did Alexandria have
Speaker 3: it as peak?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: They think it had as many as thirty thousand tablets there.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah at one time. And so how did someone
Speaker 1: go in and I asked to research I'm sorry, thirty
Speaker 1: thousand tablets four hundred thousand scrolls, so one hundred thousand scrolls?
Speaker 3: Wow? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So how did someone access that library? Is it's just
Speaker 1: like you go in? Do we know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure that we have knowledge of that.
Speaker 3: I would think there would be some sort of you know,
Speaker 3: I would imagine it be like a library today where
Speaker 3: maybe you could go in, But you know, I think
Speaker 3: back then not many people could read, you know, reading
Speaker 3: right was you know, pretty rare. A lot of information
Speaker 3: traveled by word of mouth. So who's going to go
Speaker 3: into a library like that, You know, it has to
Speaker 3: be a pretty scholarly person to want to go in there,
Speaker 3: so it was probably limited to certain people that with
Speaker 3: an education I get.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what year did it burned? And who burnt it?
Speaker 1: Was it the Romans?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, it was burned down a couple of times actually,
Speaker 3: but I think the last one was in three ninety
Speaker 3: one was the last fire that destroyed that building. And
Speaker 3: part of the reason that it was destroyed was because
Speaker 3: it held a lot of pagan scrolls, a lot of
Speaker 3: pagan cultural artifacts, and the people at that time didn't
Speaker 3: want that. They wanted to destroy it, which this happens
Speaker 3: all the time, turns out, and it was always destroyed, Yeah,
Speaker 3: by the Romans.
Speaker 1: If you were to pick another great loss of a
Speaker 1: library following Alexandria, because you do list a number of them,
Speaker 1: what would you choose as a real loss to human history? Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the interesting ones I think is probably the
Speaker 3: libraries that were destroyed in ancient China. The emperor there,
Speaker 3: the first Emperor China, Quinn Chi, and around the year
Speaker 3: to thirteen BC, told everyone that they were destroy all
Speaker 3: their books, all their papers, all their readings and writings,
Speaker 3: all their books, and the only books that were allowed
Speaker 3: were the ones in his library of course. So if
Speaker 3: you were caught with a book back in his day,
Speaker 3: you'd be tattooed on your face and sent to work
Speaker 3: on the wall of China.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: There were many fires at that time. They burnt classics,
Speaker 3: there were ancient Chinese literature, and they were all lost forever.
Speaker 1: So these repositories of knowledge aren't really that safe, are they.
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you a question about cuneiforms,
Speaker 1: which are the clay tabits. It seems that there are
Speaker 1: different digs and excavations going on where they find parts
Speaker 1: of libraries in these Sumerian ruins. So we still might
Speaker 1: luck out at some point and find our library of those,
Speaker 1: because we've had people on the show who are experts
Speaker 1: at cuniform decipherment, and there's apparently in the British Museum
Speaker 1: in London there's thousands of these cuniforms that have not
Speaker 1: been decod Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well there's a fairly famous one. I think it was
Speaker 3: found fairly recently. Esher rupinol I think I'm saying that right.
Speaker 3: He had a library of thirty thousand cuneiform tablets that
Speaker 3: he assembled in around six hundred BC, and they found it,
Speaker 3: you know, and now we could open them, we can
Speaker 3: read them, you know, we can see what they were
Speaker 3: talking about and Nick found you know, they're finding all
Speaker 3: kinds of things. Some of them are not too fascinating.
Speaker 3: Some of them were, you know, just like.
Speaker 1: Receipts or daily activities like I bought groceries or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny that they would write some
Speaker 1: daily activity like that. But when you got that many tablets,
Speaker 1: there may be some very important information hidden in that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of the old stories and
Speaker 3: things that maybe our culture is even based on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Do we know if AI is involved with
Speaker 1: the cipherment yet or would you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Actually, I was at a talk at the at
Speaker 3: It was a webinar for they were talking about the
Speaker 3: Vannoyage manuscript and they were talking about the linguists there,
Speaker 3: the scholars that were on the call. We're talking about
Speaker 3: the use of AI to decipher languages, and it's very ineffective. Really,
Speaker 3: they couldn't use it, and I think the reason is
Speaker 3: that AI is based on all the knowledge that we have.
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't have knowledge we don't have.
Speaker 1: You know, it all can't think independently and come up
Speaker 1: with a system or a technique to decipher unknown language.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it has some capabilities in that area,
Speaker 3: but without a good basis, you know, it runs into
Speaker 3: the same problem we run into. You know, we can't
Speaker 3: figure it out either, don't So I think, you know,
Speaker 3: at least they said for the Venoige manuscript, it's been
Speaker 3: ineffective at helping them it.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's kind of sad. Maybe there's something to
Speaker 1: look forward to. I want to talk about the vanishing cultures,
Speaker 1: but before I go there, you have a whole chapter
Speaker 1: on media life expectancy where you're looking at the old
Speaker 1: days where we had beta tape and we had all
Speaker 1: types of encryption devices and data storage. This is really
Speaker 1: a critical issue because as we continue to grow and sophisticate,
Speaker 1: become more sophisticated, storing data and keeping it is important.
Speaker 1: So what is your conclusion on the life of media?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think this is this is really getting
Speaker 3: to the point of the book. Really, you know, after
Speaker 3: I assembled all this information, I said, well, so what's
Speaker 3: the point, you know, I mean, this is interesting. It's
Speaker 3: interesting to know that we did catteract surgery thousands of
Speaker 3: years ago, But you know, what's the point. What can
Speaker 3: we learn from it? And really the point is that
Speaker 3: our knowledge, in our data is being stored on equipment
Speaker 3: and devices that have a shorter and shorter lifespan. I mean,
Speaker 3: if we look at the cuneiform tablets that are thousands
Speaker 3: of years old, or even papyrus last thousands of years.
Speaker 3: You know, paper lasts a long time, but digital media
Speaker 3: has less and less life. You know, your USB drive
Speaker 3: that you put a tremendous amount of information on, how
Speaker 3: long is that going to last? I was just trying
Speaker 3: to find a picture the other day and I pulled
Speaker 3: out eight of my old USB drives and two of
Speaker 3: them didn't work.
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah.
Speaker 3: That's that's gonna happen. I mean, how long is your
Speaker 3: computer work now before it died.
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Jack Biolek, discussing his new book
Speaker 1: Lost in Time. Will be right back. My guest today
Speaker 1: is author Jack Biolek. He has written an important book
Speaker 1: called Lost in Time Are Forgotten and Vanishing Knowledge. This
Speaker 1: is on historical museums and libraries that have been burnt
Speaker 1: down and all the data lost to us, and also
Speaker 1: inventions and other bits of knowledge that we have lost
Speaker 1: through history. What about cloud storage, Jack? What about you
Speaker 1: know where you have these data mines or these huge
Speaker 1: offices or warehouses where there's nothing but computers that are
Speaker 1: storing data for everybody. Does that make a difference?
Speaker 3: Well, this is this is maybe one of the things
Speaker 3: that could help us is replicating data. So data replication
Speaker 3: and having it in multiple places, because you know, events
Speaker 3: can happen. You know, if we look at those libraries
Speaker 3: that have all been lost and destroyed, different things happen. Wars, earthquakes, fires, floods.
Speaker 3: You know, war actually destroys a lot of artifacts and
Speaker 3: a lot of history. But you know, maybe if we
Speaker 3: replicate our data in multiple places. But even that isn't
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a perfect solution. But the point is
Speaker 3: we don't really think about it in terms of is
Speaker 3: our children's children going to be able to remember or
Speaker 3: find this information? You know, we're thinking about, well, how
Speaker 3: can we get our information in a smaller device, you know,
Speaker 3: make it more cost effective and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So I think as one of our design ideas we
Speaker 3: need to keep in mind what about the future, you know,
Speaker 3: and how's that going to work? There definitely are possibilities
Speaker 3: for catastrophic events, even in our world, where a lot
Speaker 3: of the information could get destroyed.
Speaker 1: So you have a diagram of your book, I thought
Speaker 1: was funny. The best kept system is stella, which is
Speaker 1: like cutting and carving in a stone, which we see
Speaker 1: with the Maya and the Egyptians and so forth and
Speaker 1: so on. But hell, that's going to be the slowest
Speaker 1: way to imprint data that you can possibly think of.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: It's fail safe though, And I've been to Mexico many
Speaker 1: times and study these stala, which are time markers or
Speaker 1: events with kings and things like that. But what do
Speaker 1: you suggest, what have you found is one of the
Speaker 1: better ways in modern times to store data?
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of brings up the idea. I interviewed the
Speaker 3: head curator at the Computer History Museum near San Francisco,
Speaker 3: and we were talking and they have all these original
Speaker 3: IBM PCs, you know, and they all have floppy, floppy drives. Right,
Speaker 3: and those those floppies, you know, they get dry, brittle,
Speaker 3: they crack, fall apart, and and so he's talking to me.
Speaker 3: He says, well, you know what we have to do
Speaker 3: to save the computer programs have to print them on paper.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so they're going backwards. And so I
Speaker 3: think the point is when we're trying to save data information,
Speaker 3: we need to be thoughtful about it, you know, and
Speaker 3: think about it. You know, should does this? Well, what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to save, is it a good place to
Speaker 3: put it on this USB drive? Or would it be
Speaker 3: better if I printed a picture of it? Or would
Speaker 3: it be better if I had three USB drives all
Speaker 3: at the same thing, you know, whatever, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: just depending on what it is you trying to save,
Speaker 3: you know. So I think just be thoughtful about it
Speaker 3: and different purposes when I have different applications on how
Speaker 3: you want to save it. But isn't there is there
Speaker 3: any any technology that is up and coming that you've
Speaker 3: discovered that is the best avenue to store quantities of data.
Speaker 3: I don't think there is a single one. There are
Speaker 3: organizations that are working on archival grade kinds of techniques
Speaker 3: to save information for many years so I mean, there
Speaker 3: is some inroads being made. What is it, m drive
Speaker 3: I believe is the name of it. Where it's supposed
Speaker 3: to be good for a thousand years. You know, even
Speaker 3: CDs and DVDs degrade over time. Yeah, the pits will oxidize,
Speaker 3: so even those aren't forever. But there are some inroads
Speaker 3: being made to try to address that, but probably not enough.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think people think about this in
Speaker 3: their normal life.
Speaker 1: Which is scary because you know, if we have an
Speaker 1: asteroid hit in the part of our civilization and is
Speaker 1: burnt up in the fire, keeping this data available is critical,
Speaker 1: you know, otherwise we've fallen into the dark ages and
Speaker 1: we have to turn all over again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to start all over again. We have
Speaker 3: sewage in the streets. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: where we're gonna go. But yeah, and there's even other events,
Speaker 3: you know, I think talk a little bit about Carrington
Speaker 3: events from the Sun. You know, they had a Carrington
Speaker 3: event back in the eighteen fifties. And Carrington event is
Speaker 3: a large, you know, emp event from the sun, you know,
Speaker 3: a solar flare, and it was so big that it
Speaker 3: energized all the power lines well, they didn't have power lines.
Speaker 3: Then they had telegraph lines because they had the telegraph
Speaker 3: back in those days. But it energized all those telegraph
Speaker 3: lines and cause fires at telegraph stations. And I mean,
Speaker 3: what would happen today if we had one of those.
Speaker 3: I mean, it would be a huge mess. You know,
Speaker 3: it would be a big problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, solar flares have been a problem in the past.
Speaker 1: We've recorded them. As we come down to our time here,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about your chapter
Speaker 1: on vanishing cultures or vanishing civilizations. There's quite a few,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting to note that some of these cultures
Speaker 1: have left records and artifacts of their time on Earth,
Speaker 1: but having a culture completely vanishes kind of scary. One
Speaker 1: of the cultures you didn't mention, which is Insai in
Speaker 1: South America, is the Parrakas people, and they are the
Speaker 1: strangest people we have their skeletal remains. They have these
Speaker 1: very long heads. I think I had a pathologist on
Speaker 1: the program one time and he said they had between
Speaker 1: fifteen and thirty percent more brain mass than we did,
Speaker 1: and yet all we have of their remains are these
Speaker 1: mud brick buildings, which is very sophisticated. But what was
Speaker 1: the idea behind a chapter on these lost, vanishing cultures?
Speaker 1: Is it because maybe they have given us part of
Speaker 1: our humanity in a way that you felt was important
Speaker 1: to mention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's part of our growth. You know,
Speaker 3: it's part of our growth. And I think it's maybe that,
Speaker 3: as you know, cultures grow over time, the strong survive too.
Speaker 3: You know, they're making the right choices, and so they
Speaker 3: have continued on until they don't anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, the.
Speaker 3: Ancient Egyptians would get overthrown by the Romans or right
Speaker 3: whomever you know is stronger, smarter, better, And maybe that's
Speaker 3: just part of the natural progression of humankind.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, you know, through wars and through
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could call it natural selection
Speaker 1: or not, because it's not really nature's human against human.
Speaker 1: Let's bring let's talk about a few of them. One
Speaker 1: of the ones that I thought is interesting is the Manoans,
Speaker 1: who we find in create. They we have a lot
Speaker 1: of evidence for them. They have some beautiful sculptures, and
Speaker 1: we don't know where they came from. I mean, some
Speaker 1: people believe that the Minoans are descendants of at Lentinians
Speaker 1: because they are sophisticated and they're their statuary and their
Speaker 1: sculptures are gorgeous. Talk a little bit about them. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Most of what we know about the Minoan civilization comes
Speaker 3: from what they left behind, you know, and they've left
Speaker 3: a lot of art and architecture. We have artifacts of
Speaker 3: tools that they used. They also had toilets. Yeah, smart people,
Speaker 3: and even we even have lightning rods that they you know,
Speaker 3: put in place. So these people were, you know, sophisticated
Speaker 3: and you know, but it is interesting. I think they
Speaker 3: just recently were able to decode discs that had the
Speaker 3: Minoan language on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, did did they? Are they referred to
Speaker 1: by other cultures like the Egyptians or Romans or any
Speaker 1: cultures that have survived today.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that they had a lot of references
Speaker 3: from other organizations or other cultures, I should say, but
Speaker 3: they they were a significant ancient civilization. I think part
Speaker 3: of their religion was also sent you know, other other
Speaker 3: parts of the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they are really baffled by archaeologists and have
Speaker 3: been for years, for hundreds of years. Yeah, talk about
Speaker 3: the Tambora people of Indonesia, I've never heard of them,
Speaker 3: and I'm wondering if they are the ones who built
Speaker 3: the pyramid on Java, Java Island, because there's never a
Speaker 3: name of those people. But whoever built the pyramid that
Speaker 3: everyone's curious about was very sophisticated.
Speaker 1: They were good engineers, good designers.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the Tambora people, you know, they were destroyed
Speaker 3: by volcanic eruptions, pyroplastic flows.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a.
Speaker 3: Thing that happens a lot in history, of course, and.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That again, I think we know very little about these people,
Speaker 3: but you know, it's unfortunate that we keep losing this information.
Speaker 3: I think the point of these these cultures is really that,
Speaker 3: you know, we have records. We see the Tambora people
Speaker 3: were there, and we see that the harpen And people
Speaker 3: were there, But what we don't see is what they
Speaker 3: did and what did they learn or what could they
Speaker 3: do that could help us. So we I have a
Speaker 3: there's a really good example of this in Peru. They
Speaker 3: have examples of where cranial surgery has been done and
Speaker 3: it was done in four hundred BC. A cranial you know,
Speaker 3: somebody got hit in the head from acts or fight
Speaker 3: or something like that, and so they had to do
Speaker 3: a patch you know on the on the hard structure
Speaker 3: the skull. Well that they were forty percent successful in
Speaker 3: that cranial repair. Well, they continued to do those repairs
Speaker 3: up to the year fourteen hundred, and then the year
Speaker 3: fourteen hundred they were over ninety percent effective, ninety percent
Speaker 3: successful in their cranial surgery. Now, if we look at
Speaker 3: the Civil War in the United States, when we were
Speaker 3: doing cranial surgery, we were about fifty percent effective, fifty
Speaker 3: percent successful. So somehow we could have got the knowledge
Speaker 3: that those Peruvians had and kept it, you know, alive,
Speaker 3: we could have saved people's lives during the Civil War.
Speaker 3: And I think this is the point is, you know,
Speaker 3: if we could save our knowledge so that it can
Speaker 3: help people in one hundred years and a thousand years,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a good thing, you know, and and
Speaker 3: we just need to take steps to do that.
Speaker 1: This is just the nature of the human being to
Speaker 1: kind of hopefully trip around and stumble and kind of
Speaker 1: try to exist the best you can and not really
Speaker 1: pay attention to the past. I mean, I'm fascinated by
Speaker 1: the past. That's why I started this podcast. Or Earth ancients,
Speaker 1: because I think we're missing a lot of history. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'm having you on the show, Jack, is
Speaker 1: because you've got a book that says, pay attention, look
Speaker 1: at what the hell's happened here, and you know, note
Speaker 1: it as best you can and don't let it, you know,
Speaker 1: don't forget it, you know. But maybe it's our our
Speaker 1: nature to reboot, restart our existence after certain catastrophes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I liken it to the difference between knowledge and wisdom,
Speaker 3: Like we have a lot of knowledge, but how much
Speaker 3: wisdom do we have? Are we making the right choices?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: It's sort of like, you know, a child, You tell
Speaker 3: a child, now, don't touch that stove. It's hot, you know,
Speaker 3: don't touch And what do they do? They go and
Speaker 3: touch the stove and then they get burned and then
Speaker 3: they're you know, but now they have wisdom, you know,
Speaker 3: they're not going to touch that stove again because it's hot,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think until we get to the
Speaker 3: point where we're like, look, guys, girls, ladies, gentlemen, we
Speaker 3: keep doing this to ourselves over and over again. Can
Speaker 3: we not do this? You know? Can we make a
Speaker 3: better choice? Quit putting our hand in the door and
Speaker 3: slamming the door on our hand, you know, and do
Speaker 3: something smart, something wise. You know, the books called lost
Speaker 3: in time are forgotten and vanishing knowledge.
Speaker 1: My guest today has been Jack Bullock, and what would
Speaker 1: you like to leave us with. Why is this book
Speaker 1: important to read? I think it's got a ton of
Speaker 1: good material in it. But what would you say is
Speaker 1: the key takeaway that you are trying to instill in
Speaker 1: your writing? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I really believe that awareness is a catalyst for change,
Speaker 3: and by being aware of these things that have happened
Speaker 3: in the past. You know, you can't change the past.
Speaker 3: The past is only good for one thing, and that's
Speaker 3: to learn from And if we can use the past
Speaker 3: to help us be smarter today and be a catalyst
Speaker 3: for change in the right direction, then we can live
Speaker 3: better lives in the future.
Speaker 1: Fantastic Jack. Do you have a web site or social media?
Speaker 1: Give us other contacts people can check you out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go to Loston Time dot World. That's my website,
Speaker 3: and from there you can go to all my media
Speaker 3: I've got, I'm on everything. I'm there, all right, Fantastic Jack.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much, Cliff for having me.
Speaker 1: On Lost in Time just came out. You can get
Speaker 1: it on Amazon, and he also has a nice website
Speaker 1: with some other details and information on upcoming books that
Speaker 1: he's been writing. So Lost in Time are forgotten and
Speaker 1: vanishing knowledge. You know, it's one thing to think about
Speaker 1: the Great Alexandria Library in Egypt, but the Spanish destroyed
Speaker 1: huge repositories of knowledge and books and information when they
Speaker 1: came to the New World present day Mexico and Central America.
Speaker 1: We know about the book burning that DeLanda did in
Speaker 1: Mexico in Yucatan when he arrived, and he wanted to
Speaker 1: control the natives and so he wanted to impress upon
Speaker 1: them their need to convert to Catholicism. But that loss
Speaker 1: is significant. Even today we can feel the loss. And
Speaker 1: also this happened in Central America in Guatemala. I discovered
Speaker 1: there was another book burning in Idle burning about the
Speaker 1: same level. And so we don't talk enough about the
Speaker 1: indigenous loss of knowledge, but it probably would shed light
Speaker 1: on lost civilizations. It shed light on where the natives
Speaker 1: got their brains in cosmology, because they were able to
Speaker 1: track planets and constellations and use it for prediction, for prediction,
Speaker 1: for prophecy, and astrology. You know, we think astrology is
Speaker 1: kind of a game or a not a real science,
Speaker 1: but when it's applied correctly, it's very very powerful. And
Speaker 1: we know the Maya and the Aztecs used it quite regularly,
Speaker 1: so that's something to consider. Hey, I want to mention
Speaker 1: that if you are thinking about vacation, if you're thinking
Speaker 1: about next year and when you want to get away,
Speaker 1: think about Earth Ancient seventh annual Grand Egyptian Tour. It's
Speaker 1: scheduled for April twenty eight through May tenth. We all
Speaker 1: meet in Cairo, and it is one of the best
Speaker 1: and most reasonably priced twelve day tours that you can
Speaker 1: ever consider. Not only do we have an expert in
Speaker 1: travel that's Muhammed, Imbrahem and Saba Tours, but we're going
Speaker 1: to see some of the most unique sites in the world,
Speaker 1: including the Great Pyramid, the Sphinx, and a number of
Speaker 1: ancient cities that have megalists. The focus is Megalithic Tour
Speaker 1: for this twenty twenty six Earth Ancients Tour. For all
Speaker 1: the details and more information, go to Earth Ancients dot com,
Speaker 1: forward Slash Tours and see our entire itinerary. This includes
Speaker 1: a boat ride for a few days on the Nile River,
Speaker 1: five star accommodations everywhere you go. And this is what
Speaker 1: we call a diplomatic tour. And what's fascinating about this
Speaker 1: is when you look at the price, it's over half
Speaker 1: of what you'll typically pay, which is around twelve grand
Speaker 1: on this kind of a tour. For all the details
Speaker 1: again and all the information, go to earth Ancients dot
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Speaker 1: send me an email senter to earth Ancients the number
Speaker 1: four the letter you at Gmail say Hey, Cliff, what's
Speaker 1: going on? I want to know more about this? Come
Speaker 1: out and join us. We only take about twenty maybe
Speaker 1: twenty five people and it is excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent.
Speaker 1: The semi annual Grand Egyptian Tour April twenty eighth through
Speaker 1: May tenth, not to be missed. All right, that's it
Speaker 1: for this program. I want to think like my guest today,
Speaker 1: Jack Bullock, coming to us from the East coast of
Speaker 1: the United States. As always, the team of Gueltour, Mark
Speaker 1: Foster and Feya in Pakistan. You guys rock, Happy New Year.
Speaker 1: We'll see you on the other end in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year.
Speaker 2: I don't