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Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of The High Strangers Factor Copywriting

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on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm your host, Steve Board,

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along with Andy Mercer and Susie Basstiel. Andy Mercer and

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I have been doing this for oh god, a little

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over half a decade. I keep wanting to say half

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a century, but it hasn't been quite that. Loe and

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Susie Basstiel is a recent addition to our show. We

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have talked to very interesting guests and have over several years.

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And we'll just get started here. So Andy and Susie,

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welcome back to the show. It's been a little while.

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I've been a bit of a slacker, I know, but

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nice to have you guys back.

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Speaker 2: It is good to be back together the crazy Amathur

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of us. It's been not just she's been pretty quiet generally.

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I think some of the other shows have a little

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bit on the quiet side. So we've all take a

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bit of a bit of a break. But it's nice

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to get things rolled again. And as you come into

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the auto winter and these cold window nights with the

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storms are raging inside, we'll wrapped up wall enjoying a

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nice good podcast and.

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Speaker 1: And and as listeners know that Andy is far far

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away across the ocean in a place called the UK England,

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and Susie it's not quite so far away, but everything's

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far away from West Virginia. She and she lives in Connecticut.

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So I'm in the.

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Speaker 3: New England instead of the Old England.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm of the old ones.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's uh uh. Actually I should start by Andy,

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tell us about your your publishing company.

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Speaker 2: Oh, can I tell you? It's all going rather well.

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The second book has now sold out as well, so

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I'm now working on laying out the third book, which

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is on a complex topic, to be honest with you,

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it's all related to traditional witchcraft and judas. As in Judas,

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the of Jesus plays a central role in some early

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witchcraft practices and modernized witchcraft practices as well. That one

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i'm working at the moment, which is going to be

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hopefully out in January. It's rightly delayed because a few

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issues have had over here, nothing to do with publishing,

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and do with my house, which has delayed things a

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little bit. And then that one should be out hopefully

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sort of in the spring, say January, fibry time. And

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then I'm working on my next book from me, my

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own book, which is talking about Essex witchcraft, which is

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where I am now. Now, witchcraft a big part in

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the formation of things like what's called traditional witchcraft, and

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these are very wicked and witchcraft are very different things.

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I should emphasize. In fact, Susan and I did the

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show a little while ago talking about the difference between

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the two forms of witchcraft. They are very different. But

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there's two characters that came from Essex in the eighteen

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hundreds who played a pivotal role in the formation of

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what the witchcraft. One of them is very important and

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very real. The other one is probably more than a

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myth than a real person, and that's going to cause

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a bit of a hooha with a few people who

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very much think this person called George specking Gill was

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real and had lose magical powers, but there's little evidence.

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So that's what I'm working on next. It could be

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quite a controversial book in the world of witchcraft and

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those sort of things, so can be interest to see

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how that one goes. But that's what I've been up to.

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And ask them you were.

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Speaker 1: And the name of your company if people want to

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find it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Yes, Ninth Circle Press. That's Ninth Circle Press, which

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comes from Dante and Dante's Inferno, which I am fascinated

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by actual written a book about it as well, which

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came back a few years ago called under Organosis the

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occult currency in Dante's Inferno, and should say I've just

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come back, well so just it was back in early October.

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Came back from Florence in Italy, where Dante was from,

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so I finally got to visit his house in the

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muse and our museum and see all the sites, which

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was fascinating and my phone is now full a photograph

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around the medieval France. Yes, Ninth Circle Press dot com

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or dot co dot UK both lead to me and

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you can find the books there.

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Speaker 1: And the Susi Masstiel also known as the Puck Wedgie

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Whisperer tell us where people can find you.

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Speaker 4: So you can find me on YouTube at the Puck

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Wedgy Whisper Although I will warrn people that I have

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been actually out in the fields frolicking through the woods

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to try to do some boots on the ground research

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this summer. So there has not been much been going

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on on my YouTube channel as.

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Speaker 3: Of late, but.

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Speaker 4: We are now at the time of year where I

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am struggling between wanting to be out in the woods

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and not wanting to be cold. So it's only a

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matter of time before the not wanting to be cold

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winds over. So that should pick back that pretty soon, very.

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Speaker 1: Good, okay. Sherry Break is a paranormal researcher, podcaster, author,

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dowser and paranormal class instructor. With over thirty years in

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the field of the paranormal. Sherry has instructed classes at

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colleges and community centers on subjects such as dowsing, ghost hunting,

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one oh one Spirit photography, and advanced ghost hunting. She

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has been a speaker on many conferences and enjoys sharing

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dark history. She has been featured on Destination, Fear, Ghost Lab,

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ABC's Scariest Places on Earth, Midwest Mysteries, and many other

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documentaries and has worked as a researcher for several series.

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Her adventures feature international ghost tours to Ireland and Scotland,

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and she has published over a dozen books and journals

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on harder locations, Samson folklore. While the paranormal is her passion,

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her love of history, photography, science, cryptids, cemetery, symbolism and

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folklore add to the enlightening mix of her presentations and tours.

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Sherry is a past columnist of over a decade with

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her Haunted Appalachia and Fireside folklore columns in Graffiti Magazine,

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Hashtag West Virginia and Two Lane Living publications. Her best

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selling books include The Haunted History of the Ohio State Reformatory,

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The Ghost Hunter's Guide to West Virginia Penitentiary, and The

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Haunted History of the trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. In the

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early two thousand, Sherry began the award winning Haunted Heartland Tours,

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which is one of the few female run ghost tour

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companies in the nation and received the ranking of number

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five best ghost Tours by USA Today in twenty fifteen,

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with tours in eight dates in three countries. She lives

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in the mountains of Summerville, West Virginia, surrounded by Mothman,

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the Flatwoods Green Monster, and the Greenbriar Ghost, Bigfoot, and

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other oddities hidden in the dark hills and valleys. Her

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website is www dot hanted History dot net. And let's see,

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she's not back yet. So okay, we got another message here.

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so well, we'll see what happens here. But in the meantime, actually, I.

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Speaker 4: Have a somewhat relevant question for Andy So in Sherry's bio,

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I heard trans Alleghany lunatic asylum, right, and paranormal investigations

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at places like that are very common here? Is that

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the case in the UK also not very much.

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got a lot of buildings in the market. Seems to

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be just a bud and the left and to die

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and fall apart. Here it's not so much. The case

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obviously is not less land tend to get reused. Yes,

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I mean you often get places get closed down for

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a while and opportune to investigate, and then they'll be

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torn down or redeveloped. I mean a good example local

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to me is Shepton Mallet, which has a huge prison,

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or had a huge prison or larger in the country

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that closed down and about ten years ago, maybe it

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slightly less, but it's now empty and it's going to

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be redeveloped. At the moment is it is available for investigations.

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buried that executed prisoners in the grounds, and they have

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to wait a hundred years after the last execution before

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they can redevelop the place, and that is about two

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years time. So once that date passes, they will then

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be able to redevelop it. But now you don't tend

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to get large brains like that left demand, and it

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tends to be that you have to hire places and

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pay to go in them that are museums or created

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more than just somebody who can just roll up to Unfortunately,

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so you know, you guys are quite lucky that.

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Speaker 1: We have our guest back, excellent Sherry.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, I just magically appeared right, Yes, and I

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already gave your your stellar introduction, so we're all set

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to go.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I know you warned me that there was

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going to be some some bad weather coming help your way.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there are disadvantages to living on a mountain side

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in the middle of nowhere and electric with the high

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winds and whatnot. Yeah, it can make it can make

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it interesting. I apologize. It's it's so nice to meet you,

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Susie and Andy.

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Speaker 6: It's nice to meet you too, and I have the

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the pleasure the constriction that I have actually met Cherry

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Speaker 1: I think the first time was at the Fraudman conference

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some months ago. Yeah, and uh, which is a a

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really good, well attended conference, by the way, believe it

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or not. You know, I was always a little little jealous.

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I mean, I mean, it took how many decades did

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it take for Mothman to get his own conference? Frog Man?

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and he gets his own bloody conference and T shirts

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and everything.

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Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. I thought it was a great,

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a great turnout. I think they had around four or

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five thousand people.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was amazing. Yeah, yes, it was great.

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Speaker 5: It's good to see the cryptids getting some love.

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Speaker 1: And and also I happened to come across Sherry. You

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do a lot of tours, different types of tours and

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so forth. One of them takes place in Point Pleasant

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West by god Virginia, and you talk people to talk

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to people about the history and the mystery of the area.

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take one of your tours one of these days, because well,

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I know, the the weird stuff that weird history pretty well.

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and I really need to bone up on that. But

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what is that like? I mean, you get a really

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good crowd and what kind of things do you and

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Speaker 5: And when I started my tour company twenty four years ago, Wow,

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do something that I was going to really enjoy as

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well as a paranormal paranormal researcher and investigator, I kind

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of wanted to share my love of dark history because

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a lot of history is just boring repetition with the

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numbers and the dates and this and that. But when

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you throw in a good ghost story or somebody was executed,

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you know, or somebody was hung from this tree, or

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this happened or you know whatever, people tend to sit

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up and take notice. So I found early on that

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being able to weave the history into the folklore, the

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urban legend, even paranormal investigations whatever. When you can kind

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of kind of put it all together, it makes a

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really good recipe for a walking tour. And my first

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walking tour I did in Point Pleasant was in two

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thousand and two. Wow, and that's that's when I first

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met Jeff Walmsley. And so that I mean, that's how

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that's a couple of decades. If me walk in the

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streets of Point Pleasant and I just love it. Average

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between forty sixty people on the walking tour, so it's

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a pretty good sized group that come, and they have

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a really good appreciation for not only the history, but

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also you know, the darker side of it. We talk

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about architecture of some of the buildings, we talk about

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the Ohio River, we talk about the Battle of Point Pleasant,

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which just celebrated its two hundred and fiftieth ann first

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three this year. So so yeah, I love doing it.

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I love featuring Point Pleasant and and Susan, Susie, have

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you been there? Have you been to Point Pleasant before?

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Speaker 3: I have not. I'm hoping to go this coming spring.

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Speaker 5: And Andy, You've got a very far away to travel.

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Speaker 2: A couple of years back. But the costs when.

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Speaker 5: When I explain to people what I what I feel,

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Point Pleasant is like it's as if you would take

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the Andy Griffith show, you know, Mayberry and the Twilight

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Zone hashed them together and they have a baby. The

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baby would be Point Pleasant because the people are wonderful,

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they're gracious, they're they're there are town characters. Uh, they're entertaining,

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they're very knowledgeable with their history. Uh. But also there's

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that quirkiness you know, that you find in any small town.

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And I just love being able to feature Point Pleasant.

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to Chief Cornstock to matt Anne Bailey, the frontier heroine

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who's there far away from Chief Cornstock. And you know

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the fact that George Washington walked that very ground, and

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Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton and all these big figures

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from from our frontier history. Just it's just really an

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amazing place. I'm really lucky to be able to do

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walking tours there. I really enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: You know, even some of the displaced people that have

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come from oh places like Michigan are pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Also Frogman exactly use the Frogman if you didn't know at.

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Speaker 5: Frogman was actually this I want to say, maybe nearly

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two and a half foot three foot tall entity that

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these two policemen saw just outside of Cincinnati, Ohio, back

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in the nineteen seventies and they saw this this frog

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kind of like stand up on its legs and it

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crawled over a bridge and then walked down the embankment.

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seeing this unusual creature, and it led to the whole

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folklore legend of the Loveland frog Man. So there you

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have it. Now he has his own little festival.

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Speaker 1: It was what wasn't the little of Miami River It

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came out of and I think these policemen saw it

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about two weeks apart, if I remember correctly. So yeah,

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who was what was the name of the famous the

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guy Ray Shockley?

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Speaker 2: Is that his name?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it might be a researcher whose

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name I can't recall. He tracked him down. He tracked

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this guy down, and for the longest time, this guy

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got ridiculed for what he had seen. So he finally said, oh,

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it was probably some kids iguana or whatever they got loose.

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isn't that many years ago, and he the guy was

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very reluctant to talk talk about it, but on the

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way out the door. The guy said, well, it wasn't

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an iguana, and so the researcher said, well what was it?

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would say. So something bizarre happened there. And even there

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was another kind of a sighting back in the mid

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fifties of something like that. And actually, if you go back,

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this guy found out, if you go back into folklore,

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there was there's a French. When the French were there,

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there was a tradition of them talking about some kind

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of a I don't know, like a frog or lizardman

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in that area. So so anyway, it's again, you know,

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I listen, I love the frog man, but he shows

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up a couple of times, he gets his own festival.

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How long did it take for a mothman to get

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his his festival?

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Speaker 5: I mean, come on, I'm telling you, I love the

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whole cryptid thing. I you know, when I do my

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Scotland tours, we we take a boat on lock Ness

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and yeah, I've done it. This will be let's see.

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I think it was my ninth time on lock Ness.

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The last time that we were there in April and

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we've never seen NeSSI but there's a bar on the

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boat that serves hot chalk and scotch, so I figure,

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if you have a few of those, you may see.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, if you have enough of it, I was there, Well,

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go ahead, go ahead there. In nineteen seventy three, I

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did backpacking through Europe, but way back in nineteen said

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do you remember nineteen seventy three, right, Susie.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, of course I was negative eleven negative.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, I was staying at the youth hostels and so forth.

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And I stayed in the uh the youth hostel in Inverness,

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and a group of us went down, took a bus down.

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We actually we went you know when four years is

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about halfway down the loch. We we followed the river

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down to the lock and it was you know back

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in you know, I was I was what twenty twenty

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one or whatever, and dumber than dirt. I mean, we

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were following this river and we were actually on like

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the edge of a It looked like, I looked like

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Indiana Jones. There was like this this narrow pathway along

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the cliff, and we're going where I got. I don't

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know why we did this, but I mean any one

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of us could have fallen and that would have been it.

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But we made our way down to the lock after

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after following the uh the Foyer's river. But of course

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I didn't see anything. I was uh. I had read

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uh the book called the Great orm O r M

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of Lockness by F. W. Holliday, and he talked about

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some of the signings of NeSSI where people saw it

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on the on the road crossing the road. So while

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I was looking diligently at the lock to see if

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this thing was out there, I would look over my

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shoulder once in a while to make sure this thing

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wasn't bouncing around and creeping up behind me.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Yeah, I muself studying mother looking out

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looking for the water, and we're looking for.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I love Scotland. I love Inverness, the Highlands. When we

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do our tours, we spend a couple of nights in

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Inverness and a couple of nights in oh, Edinburgh. How

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could I forget one of my favorite towns. Yeah, yeah,

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I love love Edinburgh. And you know, of course when

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we do tours there, we take people into the old

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Blackfriars Kirkyard and we go into the catacombs under Edinburgh, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I used to run. I used to run

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my own investignation ghost investigation team back in the only

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two thousands. We were the first group to investigate Edube volts,

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the first people in there at the time. One of

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my one of my team cousins worked for Murkout Tools,

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you rant at the time. There were six of us

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plus one person from the company. We paid five six

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pound each for the night, had it to ourselves the

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whole night, and we captured some incredibly good footage of something.

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If you know the vaults. She got the main entrance,

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you downstairs, you've got those two rooms that go through

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to the back. My wife is video.

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Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just trying to picture. Is this like

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the south the south vault, the.

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Speaker 2: Main one under the green, the main ones on the

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other one, the aim of it to Mary King's close.

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That's the other one that's there. And then you've got

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the vaults themselves. My wife is filming down the corridor

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one of the vaults, so we were in a different

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section to where she was. She had my camera with

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infrared lights on and you can see in the back

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of the area there's a water back, there's a figure

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move across like someone rise up and walk across, and

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there's no one there to create the show. There's no

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one between my wife's with her camera and that blackwall.

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We actually showed it to a professional TV cameraman and

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he said, I don't see how this has been made.

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You have to have something physical between you and the

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camera that shadow. If there's only the in fred lights

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it was just infrared that it's pitched black and nothing else,

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then he couldn't explain it because you can see a

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shadow appear by the wall, which is a doorway, and

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then it appears on the black wall moments later, and

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it's like, that is pretty good stuff, which I didn't recall.

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My wife did. She's got into the ghost so she

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came along with the.

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Speaker 5: YEA, that is impressive. I'm honored to be in your presence.

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I mean that's a big deal. That's a big deal.

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I mean, I love whistle Binkies. I don't know if

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you've ever been to that pub. It's a mile there,

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but they always talk about you know, they've got access

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into the vaults and right tough store down there, so

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they don't like going down there to get some of

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their supplies. Because of just different the energy feels underground there.

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Speaker 2: It's cool. They were originally built to be used as

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workshops because obviously the bridge is huge. It would take

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too much to be a solid bridge. It would literally

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be millions of tons. So it was that's what's hollowed out.

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I know later on, when conditions were such that people

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came very poor, that the people were living in those

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little hovels which were pretty awful, and they were sealed

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up for a good about hundred years where they we rediscovered,

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say back in the early nineties. I think it was

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that were first rediscovered. I may develop the public and

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the idea of having ghost investigations overnight that lived in

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thought of that before until so my friend has put

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our team suggested to a cousin and they were like, oh, yes,

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they had our official ghost reports on their website for years.

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And I have the video footage online. It's on the YouTube.

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I keep it hidden because I don't want the whole

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world to sort of ridicul it.

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Speaker 5: But well I would hide it too. I would hide

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it too. But yeah, I love Edinburgh, just the history

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and of course you know with the with the witches.

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You know, we were talking earlier, before my lights went out,

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I was listening about your your upcoming books, and that's

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that's pretty fascinating. Scotland and Ireland both have such absolutely

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full history with with witchcraft and those those accused of

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the craft.

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Speaker 2: But when you're here in the UK, do you come

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south with border? Do you had them into England?

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Speaker 3: What we do?

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Speaker 1: We do?

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Speaker 5: We do Dublin, we do Belfast, a couple of nights

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in Belfast and then we we ferry over and we

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do the Inverness in Glasgow, and we don't do England.

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Speaker 1: I wish why Well, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I've been doing them since twenty fourteen and I'm

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a creature. I habit. I've got my favorite places and

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I'm like, I just need to go over and explore England.

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I need to do it.

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Speaker 3: And you used to give Jack the Ripper tours.

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Speaker 2: I do indeed, Yes I have.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have over London, you know I can come.

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I mean eaven some that I've got family over in

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London still come over and give the Ripper tour.

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Speaker 5: The folks that organize my tours for me, and they,

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you know, they do all that, the booking of the

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flights and getting of my hotels. They they handle all that.

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They're on me constantly to do to do England and

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to do the Tower of London and Jack the Ripper,

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and I'm like, I'll get there.

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Speaker 2: If you're looking for another location in the in England

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that would be good for the kind of tours you're

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talking about is York, which is very far north as

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not that far from the Scottish border. And York is

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replete the ghost. There's lots of places you could do

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tours around there, and they do tours available, so you

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could you range someone like York to go to York's

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to fabulous city as well.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I love all of that history, the Medieval,

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the Viking. Even I descend down from Strongbow. He was

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a grandfather of mine, so I have that that love

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of of not Viking raiders or Normandy raiders or anything

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like that, but I just love that whole time frame.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure I do too. One of the books I

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written is about rooms as well, so I know a

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lot about the Viking stuff too.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I love it. I feel like I need

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to go back right now now that I have your

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story for Edinburgh, I'm like, ooh, yeah, I really do

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love showing people new places and with a tour company.

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You know, when I began it, it was merely selfish reasons.

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It is because I wanted to go do this with everybody,

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and nobody was really organizing these trips. Like what I like?

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Speaker 6: What I do?

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Speaker 5: I have a haunted Las Vegas and an area fifty

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one tour than I do. I have a haunted Gettysburg.

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I rent out locations like the Ohio State Reformatory, the

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West Virginia Penitentiary, Eastern Straight, Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia,

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the USS North Carolina Battleship, Waverley Hills Sanatorium, all of

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these big, huge, you know, wonderful places to explore. And

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you know, I'm selfish because I have fun. I have fun.

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I enjoy it just as much as as everybody does.

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And I love that side of tourism, you know, the

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darker side of it. It's fascinating and I think, you know,

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even though I get my sheriff skeptics, people that are

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forced to come, you know, they have to drive their

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wife or date night, you know, and they show up,

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they always end up having a good time. And I'm

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just really blessed to be able to have such a

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quirky career for twenty four years, and I get to

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meet weird people like Steve.

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00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll come to that.

472
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

473
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

474
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: To get people into history too, because sometimes, you know,

475
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,000
like the history they're teaching in school, it's not always

476
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,240
the most but there there is a lot of fascinating

477
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:08,599
things historically that I think the paranormal is kind of

478
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,920
the gateway for people learning more about some you know,

479
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,680
local history.

480
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I agree, Susie. When my kids were in school, uh,

481
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:23,039
we we did Civil War reenacting as a hobby and

482
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,240
we would all travel, my husband and I and our

483
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,599
two kids, and we would set up a camp and

484
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,319
we were Confederate reenactors for the American Civil War. And

485
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,519
the teachers, my children's teachers always would call me a

486
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:40,920
couple of times a year to come into the classroom

487
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:45,279
and dress in the period attire and come in and

488
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:49,440
talk about the Civil War history, you know, age appropriate.

489
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:51,799
And I was always you know, permitted to throw in

490
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,839
some ghost stories, so the kids really sat forward and

491
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,480
paid attention because you know, it just wasn't your bland

492
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:02,400
everyday history. We've had some good battle stories or you know,

493
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,920
stories about ghost horses, and you know, apparitions on the

494
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,799
battlefield and things like that, and they I think they learned,

495
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,160
they learned a little bit more because they were into

496
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,319
into the storytelling part of it.

497
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,839
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

498
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,759
Speaker 1: You know, you may want to team up with Susie.

499
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,559
She's kind of very knowledgeable about the Bridgewater Triangle and

500
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,960
some of the inhabitants of the Bridgewater Triangle like the

501
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,720
puck Wodgies.

502
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. Yeah, see, I would love that.

503
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: And you can't understand the current day activity without knowing

504
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,759
the history of the land it's happening on. So that

505
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,519
has been a big focal point of mine and led

506
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,000
me down a huge rabbit hole that you know, I

507
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,759
just wanted to learn about these little fake creatures, but

508
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:55,079
that's not how it went. So Yeah, if you're ever

509
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,359
up in New England, we can do some dark tourism

510
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,559
tours for you.

511
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: I would. I would love to. My my son was

512
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,759
actually in the Navy and he was stationed up there

513
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,480
for a while, so I would. I would truck up

514
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,480
to Connecticut and I love mystics.

515
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool.

516
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,759
Speaker 4: Steve was probably stationed at the at the same place

517
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:18,400
your son was.

518
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,279
Speaker 1: I was. I was stationed in Rotten Grotten, Connecticut at

519
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,599
the New London Service. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He

520
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,400
on a submarine.

521
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: He drove, Yes, he drove. I always said, you operate

522
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,559
a submarine. He goes, no, Mom, I drive it the sub.

523
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,559
Speaker 1: I actually drove it once in a while too. Now

524
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,519
I didn't get to decide where it was going or

525
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:44,759
how deep or anything like that.

526
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:45,119
Speaker 2: I was.

527
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,319
Speaker 1: I was told, you know, I was just a uh

528
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,279
the the the Actually, when you're part of the forward crew,

529
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:55,000
non nuclear crew, you helmes are and plainsman, right, you

530
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,799
they tell you how you know, make my depths whatever,

531
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,759
and you just you just do it. You would say, hey,

532
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:01,880
I want to go over here.

533
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,279
Speaker 5: Wow, well how cool, Well thank you for your service.

534
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,119
Speaker 1: That's awesome, my pleasure.

535
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,359
Speaker 5: My son was on the USS Alaska.

536
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,079
Speaker 2: That's the oh okay.

537
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: I was on a fast attack sub, the USS Billfish.

538
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,559
We we were a fast attack sub, so we did

539
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,440
not have a missile compartment, but we did have big

540
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:22,960
green torpedoes. I want to I want to make that clear.

541
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: Oh my, I'll never forget talking to my son the

542
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,559
first the first time we got a chance to talk,

543
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,759
and he'd been out to see and they were out.

544
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,920
He's on a boomer. So he was out for almost

545
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,640
three months right when he came back. When he came back,

546
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,759
I said, well, how how do you do with sleeping?

547
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:43,720
Is it noisy? Is it you know? Is it quiet?

548
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:45,559
I mean, do you have a like a bunk bed?

549
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,000
He said, Mom, I sleep and where the missiles are at.

550
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: And I'm all right, yeah.

551
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 5: What he goes it's really super warm in there. And

552
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,640
I'm like, oh my god, I'm thinking of all the

553
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,440
you know, the radiation and everything that he's going to

554
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,799
live here by the time he's twenty five.

555
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:03,359
Speaker 6: You know.

556
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: The navy now. But I do, Susie. I do love

557
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,440
the Connecticut area. It's beautiful because.

558
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: So you don't need radiation to lose your hair. My

559
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,039
mind got on in case obviously can't see you were

560
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:22,960
on a submarine then there. Yeah, definitely something else. An

561
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,720
interesting coincidence that Susie pointed out where Bridgewater is. There's

562
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,079
a Bridgewater here. Of course, I live in Somerset. I

563
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,759
live in just outside of the town called Taunton, and

564
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,119
Taunton and Bridgewater are the same relationship in terms of

565
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:39,119
distance to each other and direction to the well in America,

566
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,279
because there's Bridgewater and Taunton where Susie lives, and Port

567
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,960
is to the northeast. I thing it is, and it's

568
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,039
the same with me. The relationship is exactly the same.

569
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,359
Blood too, maps side by side, the relationship between Taunton

570
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:52,640
to Bridgewater is the same same position.

571
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:53,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

572
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: I went to my maps app and I put in

573
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,920
Taunton and it gives you the suggestion. So the first

574
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,240
one was Math and the second was UK, and I said, huh,

575
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,559
let me. I'm going to push the UK one and

576
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:08,359
see what's going on over there. And the first thing

577
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,559
that popped up was Bridgewater, and I said, there's no way.

578
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,039
Speaker 5: That's kind of wild.

579
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't just borrow the town's names. The positions are

580
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:18,839
the same as well.

581
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:21,319
Speaker 5: That's interesting.

582
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,319
Speaker 2: I must say that the Bridgewater here is rather dull.

583
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,039
There's nothing specially about that one.

584
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: We have a hunted swab in ours, so you can't speat.

585
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,839
Speaker 2: That both towns are. Thaunton's hundreds of years old, I

586
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,720
think Bridgewaters as well, but Taughton certainly, as you've got

587
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,000
a monastery there in the tenth century, so it's pretty

588
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,119
old around here as quite as you go. A's ghost

589
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,000
tours and that sort of thing. Around here. It's just nice.

590
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 5: So I have a question, Andy, have you always been

591
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,519
interested in history or is that something that just happened

592
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:49,359
when you got older?

593
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: Curious, so you had a strongenessuit in both the paranormal

594
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,279
and history. To give you the story, I was originally

595
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,000
going to university when I was twenty one to study history.

596
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720
We had ports of university, but life change didn't do that,

597
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,960
and ten years later I did philosophy instead. But you know, history,

598
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,679
particularly twentieth century modern history has been more my thing.

599
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,480
World War two, but also ancient history as well fascinates

600
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,079
me too, So history has been an interest in mine

601
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,679
as well as the paranormal as well, side by side.

602
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,760
So yeah, it's kept me. It was almost going to

603
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,519
be my job teaching history, where that life changed in

604
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,239
place at the way that we're going to be in

605
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,280
psychotherapist instead.

606
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 5: Well, that's interesting, I wondered, because I hated history when

607
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,920
I was younger. I got ds F. I mean, I

608
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,920
was almost failing these history classes and then and then

609
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,159
what happens I start writing books and they're all on history.

610
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:40,519
I don't know what happened.

611
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,679
Speaker 2: I think when you're not being forced to study things

612
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,760
are more interesting I think tends me. I mean, I've

613
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,000
got three different qualifications. I've got twentieth century history, which

614
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,039
is mainly during the Wars, what's called social economic history,

615
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,039
which is a Victorian agent onwards history from the bottom.

616
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,840
It's the social history about because so much histories taught

617
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,239
from top down to the leader's roles and that kind

618
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,880
of thing. The social history is from the bottom up,

619
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,800
so it's a different approach. And ancient Greek history so

620
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:09,360
other end of the scale.

621
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, that's fascinating. I think we just need

622
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,880
to start our own tour company, the four of us,

623
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:19,480
just conquer the world.

624
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: That sounds good, especially if I get the province.

625
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,559
Speaker 5: Well, I think we pretty much got the corner on

626
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:29,000
point pleasant West Virginia.

627
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: I guess so right. But you mentioned I also loved Edinburgh,

628
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,639
and you know that Edinburgh has that four square miles.

629
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,000
I think it is a parkland in the center of

630
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,239
the city, this huge metropolis, and there's that. You know,

631
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,599
your thing is big wooly sheep wandering around out there.

632
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,239
I remember climbing up Arthur's seat and so forth, and

633
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,920
I thought, man and even bought my I still have

634
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,679
my Scottish cap somewhere that I bought on Princess Street

635
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,000
many years ago.

636
00:35:59,079 --> 00:35:59,599
Speaker 2: Things to go.

637
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: Back, Yeah, I do. I actually, I actually did go

638
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:08,639
back to the UK. In nineteen eighty one. Our submarine

639
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:12,119
pulled into Portsmouth, England in the southern and I only

640
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,239
had you know, I was. I was so frustrated when

641
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,280
I went over the first time. I had almost four

642
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,039
months just to wander around, you know, yeah, part of

643
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:25,400
the continent and the UK. And when I came back

644
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,000
via submarine, I had four days and I was lucky

645
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,679
that I got my duty day off, and so I

646
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,760
went back to Stonehenge. I got to see that again,

647
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,760
and you know a few other places. But man, I was,

648
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,920
I was so frustrated. I wanted to And there was

649
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,239
one time when I just, for the hell of it,

650
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,320
I just walked through the English countryside. I mean I

651
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,039
just looked at the map and I and it was

652
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,800
it was so much fun. And I walked by this

653
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,360
house in the middle of nowhere, and this guy came out.

654
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,079
You could see I had my sea bag on my back,

655
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,679
like I like a back back, and so he knew

656
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,840
I was a yank, right, And so he came out

657
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,719
and talked to me. And he talked about how he

658
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,840
was he was in the hospital with a couple of

659
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,760
Yanks sometime back, and what a great time, you know.

660
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,840
I just it was just so much fun being back.

661
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,360
But four days, how you know, it was so frustrating

662
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,440
that I had to leave after that that period of time.

663
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: M Yeah, I love my tours over there. The longest

664
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,079
that we do is ten days, and that is a lot.

665
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,880
That is. It's it's a lot to fit into ten

666
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,760
days landing at Doblin and doing Doblin and Belfast and

667
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Inverness and in Edinburgh and Glasgow. It's a lot to

668
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,559
squeeze into it. And I think the closest I've ever

669
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,840
been to England, Andy, I think the closest was Gretna Green.

670
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,000
So I was like right there, yeah, it's yeah, right right,

671
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,480
you you don't need the passport anything.

672
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,559
Speaker 2: You kind of across the boarder. It's okay.

673
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,599
Speaker 5: I was. I was trapped on a bus with forty

674
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,320
five people, so I culdly would have noticed if I left,

675
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,000
But was It wasn't Grettona Green where everybody would sneak

676
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:09,159
off to to get married.

677
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: You can do. Yes, It's the Blacksmifth that has been

678
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,519
empowered to marry people, so people will want to go

679
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:17,440
off illicately. This is a bit off. Not the famies

680
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,960
don't want to get married off the Gretna Green and

681
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,360
get married by yes. I mean, I don't know if

682
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,679
it's still don't but it was real for some considerable time.

683
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me do a brief intermission. Here we are

684
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,840
listening to the Highest Strangers Factor copyrighted on the Paranormal

685
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,519
UK Radio Network, and today we are talking to Sherry

686
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:39,039
Break about all things paranormal and her tourism and so

687
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,400
forth and having one hell of a good time. Sherry,

688
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,280
I have to ask you. You mentioned that you are

689
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,159
a dowser. What what methods do you hy ride? L

690
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,320
Rod pendulum? How do you practice dowsing?

691
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 5: I learned over thirty years ago, and I use l

692
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,239
Rod Okay, basically I use copper ones. I'd make them

693
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,880
and we make them and we actually sell them. And

694
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,559
I instruct classes in dowsing as well. And the first

695
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,960
time I ever saw dowsing done this is a hilarious story.

696
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,280
I was really big into genealogy. I still am really

697
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,079
really much into my family's history, and I was living

698
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,119
in Ohio at the time. And my parents are from

699
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,480
a very small town in West Virginia called Whoopster Springs,

700
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,760
and I had come back to do some genealogy and

701
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,840
to see some family members, and I stopped at a

702
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:37,360
very old remote cemetery and this gentleman was walking around

703
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,719
with these sticks. I couldn't tell what they were because

704
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,440
I was sitting in my car kind of eye in

705
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:45,199
this guy, like I don't know what this guy's up to.

706
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,119
He looks really strange, had a big long beard, kind

707
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,599
of like Rip van Winkle, you know, all slender guy.

708
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,679
And he's holding his arms out and he's using these

709
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,199
sticks to do something. And every couple of feet he

710
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,599
stops and he he takes a notepad out of his

711
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:05,199
back pocket and he makes a notation, and then he

712
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,360
takes something else out of the other pocket and he

713
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,760
throws it on the ground, and then he takes a

714
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,880
few more steps. The Rod's cross the sticks is what

715
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,880
I called him at the time, and he makes a

716
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,440
notation in the notebook and then he throws something down.

717
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,519
And I sit there in my car with the door

718
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,239
locked because I'm not sure, like what is this guy doing?

719
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:27,079
And after about fifteen minutes, I hop out and I

720
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,599
walk over to him and I ask him, you know,

721
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,079
can I ask you what you're doing here out in

722
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,079
the middle of nowhere? And you know, I have family

723
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,039
that's buried in the cemetery. And we start to talk

724
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,559
and I find out that he's my third cousin. We're

725
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:49,599
in West Virginia, my third cousin, and he was dowsing

726
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,119
and he explained to me that dows dw se means

727
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,559
to seek or to find. It's about the power of intention.

728
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,519
Whatever you're looking to find is what you will find,

729
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,039
as long as you're completely concentrating on the item that

730
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,320
you're looking for. And I said, well, I don't understand

731
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,639
what you're trying to find here, because I in my mind,

732
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,719
I'm thinking of those people back in the old days.

733
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,199
They called him water witchers, you know, they would witch

734
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,800
for water. And I'm like, why is he looking for

735
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,039
water in a cemetery. Well, then he explains to me

736
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,840
he's looking for unmarked graves. And now he's got my

737
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,679
attention because I'm thinking, well, this, this is the reason

738
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,440
I'm here today is I'm looking for the graves of

739
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,199
my ancestors. And I know that my great great grandmother

740
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,679
does not have a headstone in this cemetery, and I

741
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,880
wanted to walk around and just you know, visit. So

742
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,400
I said, well, how does it work? And he says, well,

743
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,480
I'm going to show you, he said. When I walk,

744
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,119
I'm thinking about a body, he said, and then they

745
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:54,199
will cross and they'll make an X, and I know

746
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,400
that I have located a body. And I'm like, okay,

747
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,199
well then what are you doing with the notes? Are

748
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:03,360
you just writing down where you find a body? He said, well,

749
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,840
I'm hired, you know, from the Cemetery Association to find

750
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,800
all the unmarked graves. So what I'm doing is I've

751
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,639
made a map and I'm putting in details of where

752
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,639
I find the body. And then I take a poker

753
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,079
chip out of my pocket and I throw it on

754
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,960
the ground in that spot. I'm marking it in that manner.

755
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,000
He said. The red is for females and the blue

756
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:32,880
is for a male. And I'm like, whoa wait a minute.

757
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:35,639
Not only can you find the body, but you can

758
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,280
determine the sex. You can determine the gender. And he said,

759
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,320
well sure, he said, would you like to learn? And

760
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,199
I've been doing it ever since then, And he showed

761
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,760
me that day how to determine the sex of a body,

762
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,559
and of course you can test yourself, you just don't

763
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,960
have to do the unmarked graves. You can do the

764
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,440
marked graves as well and just not look at the name,

765
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,519
and you're kind of testing yourself that way. Ninety five

766
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:03,599
percent accuracy with the methods that he showed me. And

767
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:07,840
you can also determine the length of the body, so

768
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,559
you would know then if you're dealing with a child,

769
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,679
a baby, an infant, a child, or an adult by

770
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,880
the length of the time that the rods stay crossed

771
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,199
as you walk, you walk up and down the body.

772
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,960
Most Christian burials are buried in an east west direction,

773
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,119
so when you're in these old cemeteries, they would orient

774
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,920
the first burial with where the sun was coming up

775
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,679
and going down due to their Christian beliefs of you know,

776
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,000
the body sitting up in the grave and facing towards

777
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,079
towards the east for judgment day. So most Christian cemeteries

778
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:46,159
will follow that plan of being buried east to west.

779
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,760
So I was really I was really bit by the

780
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,679
bug that day, and I found it so completely fascinating.

781
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,199
And then he explained to me, not only can you

782
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,159
do this for bodies. But you can do this. Say,

783
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:02,719
for instance, you bury your dog in your backyard, you

784
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,440
can't remember where you buried your dog. You would think

785
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,760
about your dog and the rods would cross over the

786
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,400
area where you've buried your dog. You can find your

787
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:17,039
septic tank, you can find water lines, underground cables. During

788
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,719
the Vietnam Conflict, I've heard that they've trained some of

789
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,119
the troops to find enemy tunnels by using dousing rods

790
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,400
because they had that intent to find those tunnels and

791
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,239
destroy those tunnels. So that's one of my favorite things

792
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,239
to do. I use dowsing rods. I also use pendulums,

793
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,519
but doalsing rods are my go to. And I've actually

794
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,880
I've worked at a veterans cemetery to find unmarked graves

795
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,199
and then had it backed up by the use of

796
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,480
ground penetrating radar and I was on one correct with

797
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,599
what I did, which really validated me. And that was

798
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:57,360
back in the nineties. But I've worked on projects where

799
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,039
there's a place in Ohio where they were putting and

800
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,159
then a subdivision, and when the doser operator was in

801
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,320
there grading, he felt that there was a chance that

802
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,119
he had unearthed some headstones, some fieldstones, and so of

803
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,880
course they stopped development, and the Historical Society got a

804
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,000
hold of me and they had me come in and

805
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:23,480
douast that entire area, and I found eighteen I call

806
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:28,000
them anomalies, but their bodies, eighteen bodies buried in that

807
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:32,119
east west direction. And I was so happy to find

808
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,320
out that they would not be building where they found

809
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,719
those bodies at and they decided instead to make it

810
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,679
a green area. And every once in a while I'll

811
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,119
drive through that subdivision when I'm in that area of

812
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,760
Ohio just to make sure they haven't built anything over

813
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,679
top of those bodies. So it's a fascinating I don't

814
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,360
want to call it an art because it's not really

815
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,920
an art because about eighty five percent of people can

816
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,400
do it, so it's just an interesting technique.

817
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,159
Speaker 1: I had a plumber out here a couple of years

818
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:09,079
ago that used l rods to find the waterline right

819
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,960
here in modern day West by God, Virginia. Yes, are

820
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,119
you familiar with Tom Lethbridge TC Lethbridge. He was a

821
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:20,920
famous dowser that.

822
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:22,599
Speaker 5: JARH.

823
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,519
Speaker 1: Wilson wrote about him.

824
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,199
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you know, well we're still learning here in

825
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,519
the United States, but even like in England. I mean,

826
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,000
you know, Andy, you guys have been doing it forever.

827
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he was.

828
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: It was fascinating. I mean he used a pendulum and

829
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,039
he had a he had had something set up where

830
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:47,280
he would have a line with about forty inches and

831
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,559
if he adjusted the uh whatever you want to call it,

832
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,599
the pendulum or whatever at a certain length, it would

833
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,840
react to certain types of material. He could tell what

834
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,039
was buried underneath the ground depending on how it reacted.

835
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,480
And it was that, you know, it was one almost

836
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,719
And then I started buying his books. He wrote The

837
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,760
Power of the Pendulum, which was fascinating. I think Colin

838
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,639
Wilson had that published after his death. But then there

839
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,719
are several other other books like Ghost and Ghoul and

840
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,159
uh oh, Ghost and Dowsing Rod or whatever. They get

841
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,960
a little pricey sometimes, but he was, my god, he

842
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,920
was so innovative and so fascinating.

843
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,599
Speaker 5: Yeah. As a matter of fact, one of the books

844
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:33,000
that I've been working on is called a Dowsing for

845
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:37,920
Ghosts and Grapes, and it covers everything from map dowsing,

846
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,440
how you're able to do long distance dowsing by the

847
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:44,199
use by using a map. I mean I've I've found

848
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:48,800
lost items before, lost my car keys. My kids lose

849
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,239
stuff all the time, and I'm constantly finding their cell

850
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,719
phones or their or their glasses. And it has to

851
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,519
do with intent. Just like your plumber next door. His

852
00:47:57,639 --> 00:47:59,800
intent was to find the water lines. And I had

853
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,480
a lumber that lived next door to me in Ohio,

854
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,199
and he says, a lot of us carry uh these

855
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,679
rods on our trucks. I had a gas leak at

856
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,360
my house in Ohio and the gas company came out

857
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,119
and they were unable to find where my gas line

858
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,360
came from the street. So you know, he had this

859
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,079
high tech tool he was walking around with. A couple

860
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,119
of minutes later, he came to my door. He goes,

861
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,280
I can't this is strange. He said, I can't find

862
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,559
where your gas line is located at This is so odd.

863
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,760
And I said, hold on just a minute, and I

864
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,719
went and I got my dowsing rods and I came

865
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,039
out and we found it within just a couple of minutes.

866
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,000
And he left with my dousing rods. I said, go

867
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:44,519
forth and dows I said, everybody. He goes, this is amazing,

868
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,639
this is amazing. And my kids actually did some of

869
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:51,159
their science projects uh in high school. In junior high

870
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,639
they did it on dowsing.

871
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:55,199
Speaker 3: Well, that's so interesting.

872
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:58,079
Speaker 4: So I have my grandfather's dowsing rods. He is the

873
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,159
he had a farm. I my mother said he used

874
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:05,280
them to find water. But how often do you need

875
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,760
to find water when you live in a farm with

876
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,360
four natural springs, I'm not sure exactly.

877
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 3: So at any.

878
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,599
Speaker 4: Rate, I have them, and I had had them for years,

879
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:21,400
and it was I never did anything with them until

880
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,199
one day I had lost all three of.

881
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: My headphones, could not find any.

882
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,159
Speaker 4: Of them, and I was, I'm addicted to them. I

883
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:35,599
have them in all the time while I'm working because

884
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,239
I work from home and I need the background noise,

885
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,119
and I was just I was so frustrated. I needed

886
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,840
my headphones. I got out the dowsing rods. And I

887
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,840
think because I was so intent on finding them, and

888
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,800
where I finally found them was like behind my shoe

889
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,320
rack under the baseboard heater, and I would never have

890
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:57,960
found them there.

891
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's some serious intention. When you lose a

892
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,559
cell phone or your glasses or your headphones or anything

893
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:09,000
like that, it's it's just amazing. And you know, when

894
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,880
I do these walking tours, I instruct people. I've instructed

895
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,440
thousands of people how to use dousing rods, and so

896
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:18,440
many times I'll get phone calls and emails and you

897
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,239
know text messages where people have questions. They're like, what

898
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,559
else can I how can I use these? What else

899
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,199
can I use these for? And uh, you know, when

900
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:29,800
I when I do my my dousing class, one of

901
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,639
the little experiments that we use is I have a

902
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:36,400
couple of mason jars and inside they're clear mason jars,

903
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,159
and one mason jar has moonshine in it, and one

904
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,880
jar has water, and then the other uh jar has

905
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,800
flat seven up or flat sprite, something that doesn't have

906
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,320
any type of carbonation or bubbles to it. And I'll

907
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,360
spread those apart on the table and then I will

908
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,400
have everybody come up, one at a time, and you know,

909
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,800
they don't know what is in what glass, and I'll say,

910
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,800
I want you to tell me which jar has moonshine

911
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,360
in it. You know, of course they want to drink

912
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:09,880
They want to drink it after they find it. But

913
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,960
it's just the power of intention. You know, they all

914
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,760
look identical, but you know the rods will cross above

915
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:22,199
above the correct the correct jar, so and Susie too.

916
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,719
I was going to tell you I had a farmer

917
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,480
friend who would use the dowsing rods to determine the

918
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:31,679
sex of an animal that was unborn, So for instance,

919
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480
if he had a cow with a calf or whatever. Uh,

920
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:36,679
he said, just out of curiosity, he said, I would

921
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,840
test myself that way. And uh, of course you're only

922
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,679
got you got chances of fifty to fifty being right

923
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,280
or wrong.

924
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, that's interesting.

925
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: I always thought, you know, he must have been up

926
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,960
to something else with those dowsing rods, because there's, like

927
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,719
I said, there's four natural springs on the farm, so

928
00:51:55,679 --> 00:52:00,960
you know, there's no real need to go look for water, right.

929
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 5: And a good dowser with water, a good dowser is

930
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,519
able to tell you which way the stream is flowing.

931
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,559
They'll be able to tell you how many gallons, you know,

932
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,840
per minute that you'd be able to get, and if

933
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,719
the water would be drinkable. You know, it all has

934
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,480
to do with the questions. How you pose the questions

935
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,239
to get the answers. And of course nobody really knows

936
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,800
how these rods work. I just like to think it's

937
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,360
just an extension of your own ability anyway, and I

938
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,639
think that you're just tuning in and you know, allegedly

939
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:33,559
it's it's one of the rare times that the right

940
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,440
brain and the left brain actually work and sync with

941
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,159
each other. And there's nothing magical or mysterious about the rods.

942
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:45,760
It's just we're we're zoning in there and we're paying

943
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,079
attention and for some reason they work.

944
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,559
Speaker 2: I'd tell you if you're involved in any ritual magic,

945
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,599
you tend to use tools the dagger of one et cetera,

946
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:59,400
which they are like for they're using ritual magic for

947
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,840
focusing the mind. Well, an intent and what you're describing

948
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,920
fits very much into ceremonial magic. That's exactly you're trying

949
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,480
to do. You use things like that, and it is

950
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:10,960
all about that whether an intent that drives these things.

951
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,079
The more you use, the more your mind works better

952
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,199
with the more focus you become, the more able to become.

953
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,880
And that's true of magic, witchcraft, et cetera, and things

954
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,000
like downs in There is a line between these things.

955
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,920
They all connect together. It's that focusing of the mind

956
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,039
and using the full more power of the mind that

957
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,239
we really need to tap into more that we don't

958
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,039
really understand as much as we think we do about

959
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:34,719
what the mind's capable of doing. We limit ourselves very

960
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,840
much now to very kind of modern, mature way of

961
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,719
viewing things. But my years of experience, both as a

962
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,239
therapist and as a ritual magician, if you like that,

963
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,400
the mind is capable of so much more have given

964
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,920
the chance. It really has enormous power.

965
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 5: And energy.

966
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. You work with natural energy that surround

967
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,119
us all the time. These energies and fields and energy

968
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,000
are there, and that's what you're working with.

969
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:03,079
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And the copper is a good conductory, Yes it is.

970
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 5: And you know I talk in my in my ghost

971
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,679
hunting classes and in my dowsing classes. When I instruct people,

972
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,960
we cover lay lines, you know, when we talk about

973
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,599
these lines of energy, and it's just fascinating, you know,

974
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:24,519
the paranormal, the fringe, the craft, you know, everything from

975
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,320
UFOs to cryptids. And every day I learned something new,

976
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:31,719
you know. I I say every day of school because

977
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,679
I think when you when you sit back and you're

978
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,000
you've got a mindset that this is the way it is,

979
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,119
it's not that way. And the paranormal, it's just shades

980
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,559
of gray. We don't know anything for sure.

981
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,639
Speaker 2: So what would you say was your most unusual experience

982
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:45,800
that you've had yourself share?

983
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, there have been so many. I'll tell you.

984
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,480
Probably the most unsettling experiences for me, and they're still

985
00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:01,880
going on when I'm in these locations, is having somebody

986
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,679
say my name out loud and there's nobody around. And typically,

987
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,360
and I think part of it's the fact that I

988
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,960
go to these locations so many times for so many years,

989
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,320
it's almost as if maybe they recognize me. But it's

990
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:25,079
still to this day utterly uh, fascinating. And also I

991
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,320
don't want to say upsetting, but startling to hear sherry

992
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:35,079
and to turn in a cell in a prison and

993
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,199
there's nobody in the cell, nobody outside of the cell,

994
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,960
nobody down that hallway, and to know that there was

995
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,320
an intelligent form or energy there that knew I was

996
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,960
there and said my name. So to me, it makes

997
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,679
me curious. It doesn't, it doesn't frighten me, but it's

998
00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:00,039
that it's that unsettledness of knowing that they know that

999
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:01,480
I'm there and they know my name.

1000
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely true. I mean I used to be

1001
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,599
involved in a parallel event company that used to go

1002
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,400
to locations overnight, take the public with us and spend

1003
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,519
the night. Then there's a few locations I've been to

1004
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,880
so many times. Do you know that whatever's there does

1005
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,519
know you since you? I mean, it's a place called

1006
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:18,320
ches A Manchon, which I often talk about. I've been

1007
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,760
to that I don't know how many times. Amazing old

1008
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,239
Neo Gothic building in the middle of nowhere in the UK,

1009
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,000
and there's a particular era the cellar, which is quite active.

1010
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,239
A lot of people experience very strange things in the cellar,

1011
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,360
and you get this weird sense of familiarity that it

1012
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,639
knows you, he knows you're there. You can almost work

1013
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,199
with that. It's very strange. Yeah, there's definitely the more

1014
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:41,440
you do any of this sort of stuff, the more

1015
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,320
you become tuned with it, and the place comes tuned

1016
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:44,599
to you.

1017
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, exit stage left. You know, if I

1018
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,639
were to hear my voice, it's like a cartoon character.

1019
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,679
You know, gone.

1020
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,639
Speaker 3: Steve heard the story last night.

1021
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 4: But I recently had my name come through multiple times

1022
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:04,159
on a spirit box. So the other people called me

1023
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,280
over said hey, keep saying your name, can you come

1024
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:06,639
in here?

1025
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: And then when I came in and asked, like, how do.

1026
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,599
Speaker 4: You know me, it said it was Snow and Snow

1027
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,440
was an investigator on the paranormal team I'm a member

1028
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:20,400
of who just passed away recently.

1029
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: Sorry, but we don't think it's actually her though. That's

1030
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:28,119
the thing.

1031
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 4: Right after that, it also gave me my aunt's nickname,

1032
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,960
and I think it was throwing out names it knew

1033
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:37,480
I would know.

1034
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:45,599
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, that takes it to a whole different level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

1035
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: I was on the about ten years ago. A bunch

1036
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,840
of us went down to where the Silver Bridge collapsed

1037
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,920
down in Point Pleasant and a couple of the people

1038
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,599
I was with were very good at getting EBPs for

1039
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:01,880
whatever reason, and this one lady we were with set

1040
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,519
up a flashlight on the on the shoreline, you know

1041
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,519
the way they do on the TV shows where it's

1042
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:10,920
just about ready to come on but it's not right.

1043
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:13,280
So all of a sudden, this thing came on and

1044
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,320
we thought, wow, that's weird. We didn't even know it

1045
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,239
was there, and so were you know, stamping our feet

1046
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,639
to see if the vibrations are doing whatever. Anyway, it

1047
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,840
went off again, and so I thought, well, hey, I've

1048
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,280
seen enough TV shows. I know how to do this.

1049
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,559
So I said, if there's anybody here, would you please

1050
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,280
turn the flashlight on on the counter three? And I

1051
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,159
did three, and then boom the flashlight came on and

1052
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,760
for three beats and went off, and I said, excuse

1053
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,320
my language, can I say holy shit now? And later

1054
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,880
on I did that. I thought, well, I'm going to

1055
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,239
go for brokes, so I said, you know, would you

1056
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:56,400
please turn the flashlight onto the counter three? Three beats? Nothing?

1057
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,400
It came on for three beats and then went off. Now,

1058
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,840
later on one of the guys I was with, he

1059
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,159
he listened to the audio afterwards he said, look, this

1060
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:07,639
is not a class A E v P. But he

1061
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,599
thought he heard a voice say after I said, can

1062
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:18,360
I say holy shit now? Little baby? So I was

1063
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,960
being dissed by perhaps a disembodied spirit because I was

1064
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,920
a being a weenie.

1065
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, never have had a paranormal experience. And

1066
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,119
then he comes out with these stories where he got.

1067
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,039
Speaker 1: I've had that, that's that, that's one little one maybe.

1068
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:35,920
And then it was the one where I had I

1069
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,960
had a TV set turned on after I came back

1070
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,280
from the T and T area one night, I opened

1071
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,280
up the door to my uh A motel. It was

1072
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,800
across the river, and a TV set turned on by

1073
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,000
itself and started flipping through stations. So, uh, anyway, that

1074
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,679
that's it. That's that's all I got, you know. That's

1075
00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:57,960
that's uh.

1076
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:03,159
Speaker 5: That was a I had. Something really really cool happened

1077
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:07,159
on a walking tour in October in Ohio. I was

1078
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:10,199
leading a tour in Canal Fulton, Ohio, which was built

1079
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:12,920
on the Ohio and Erie Canal, and the town dates

1080
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,440
back to about eighteen fourteen and the Tuscarorsa River flows

1081
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,480
through the area, and you've got lots of great stories

1082
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:22,639
in this little town and I've been doing tours there

1083
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:26,519
for twenty four years. Well, there was one building that

1084
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,199
I loved taking people into back in the old days

1085
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,920
when I first started, and unfortunately it has been closed

1086
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:38,159
for twenty two years. So I spent two years six

1087
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:41,320
six times a weekend, because I would do tours on

1088
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,840
Friday and Saturday eight o'clock, ten o'clock and midnight. For

1089
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,800
two years, I'm going in this building, taking fifty to

1090
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,440
sixty people in and telling them the history of this building, well,

1091
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,239
I haven't been in it for twenty two years. Last

1092
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,039
year it was purchased and they turned it into a

1093
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:03,400
wedding event center and they've got it beautifully decorated, and

1094
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,440
they've got the exposed brick walls and the tall ceilings

1095
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:10,320
with the metal tin. And the owner came up to

1096
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,079
me on the street that night before my eight o'clock

1097
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,280
walk and he said, listen, this is back in October.

1098
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,840
He said, listen, I know you haven't been in the

1099
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,559
building for a while. Would you like to bring your

1100
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:22,159
group inside the building? And I'm like, oh my god,

1101
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,360
I love the building. It's a huge warehouse. I would

1102
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:28,159
love to bring my group in. Do you mind there's

1103
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,280
going to be fifty to sixty people, And I know

1104
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,920
you know you do weddings, and I don't want to

1105
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,280
disturb anything in there, you know, or break anything because

1106
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,639
I'm bringing in so many people. He said, don't worry.

1107
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,840
The main room is open. We've got it all lit,

1108
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,320
We've got the string lights turned on for you. I'll

1109
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,280
leave the door unlocked and one of us will be

1110
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,800
there to lock the door after you leave if you

1111
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,280
want to bring them in for a few minutes. At

1112
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,079
eight o'clock, please please do so. I couldn't wait because

1113
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:55,079
this building had been one of the most active buildings

1114
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:56,679
I'd ever been in, which is why it was on

1115
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:59,519
my ghost walk. So I go up to the front

1116
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:02,039
of the building. I've got about fifty five people that night,

1117
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,320
and I'm talking to them about the history of this

1118
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,599
warehouse building. And I have my hand on the door,

1119
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,840
and you know, I'm saying, you know, it's always wonderful

1120
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,920
to stand out in front of these old buildings and

1121
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,440
tell you the ghost stories. Wouldn't it be great if

1122
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,920
we could step inside and everybody's eyes were real big,

1123
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,079
and you know, I'm like, please, God, make them remember

1124
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:22,920
that they unlock that door or this is going to

1125
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,119
be really embarrassing, right, So I turn them off and

1126
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:28,719
it creaks open. I mean it was like very theatrical,

1127
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,039
like squee, you know the door. We all go walking in.

1128
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:39,920
There's this very large empty warehouse room, brick walls, hundreds

1129
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,159
and hundreds of the Edison bull lights hanging in this room.

1130
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:46,880
This is where they have their weddings at And I

1131
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,840
look over and there's a chair in the corner and

1132
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,639
the owner is sitting over in the corner and he's

1133
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,320
watching me. So I bring the group in and I

1134
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,679
start to tell them about all the times I've been

1135
01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,559
in this building, that in the basement there used to

1136
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:03,400
be a more ctuary, and that during the nineteen seventeen

1137
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:08,039
nineteen eighteen influenza epidemic there were hundreds of bodies stored

1138
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:11,679
on ice in the basement. And I go on and

1139
01:03:11,719 --> 01:03:14,559
I talk about the owner of the building, mister Fennafrock,

1140
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:17,760
and how you know mister Fenafrock had built this building,

1141
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,559
and I believe that he still is in this building

1142
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:24,000
because he loved this building so much. And I said,

1143
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,159
as a matter of fact, and of course everybody's listening

1144
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:28,159
to me, and the lights are, you know, up above

1145
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,320
my head. So as a matter of fact, there was

1146
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,199
one night that I was in here with a group

1147
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,960
and when I started talking, we smelled cigar smoke, and

1148
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,760
then the lights started flickering, and I kid you not,

1149
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,679
all of those lights above my head were going on

1150
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,000
and off, and we all went and I looked over

1151
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,800
at the owner and I'm like, are you doing that?

1152
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,440
He goes, the light switch is over there, and he

1153
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:59,360
points and along this wall where nobody's at is the

1154
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,400
light switch. And I'm like that's crazy, and everybody's like,

1155
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,159
oh my gosh. And it did it for like ten seconds.

1156
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:10,000
So I said, let's try this again. So I want

1157
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,800
to tell you a story about mister Fennifrack, you know,

1158
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,920
and we believe he's still here in the building. And

1159
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,960
you know, years ago, when I would talk to people,

1160
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:20,920
the way that he made his presence knowing is the

1161
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,119
lights would flicker, and I'm thinking, there's no way in

1162
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:26,480
the world that's going to happen again. It did it again,

1163
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,119
flick flick, flick flick, and I look over at the

1164
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:32,880
owner and he's like, I'm never having you back in

1165
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:39,880
my building again. So it gets better. I say, Okay, goodbye,

1166
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,840
mister Finnfrack. We've had a great night. Because I know

1167
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,480
I'm not going to try this a third time because

1168
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,800
it's not going to work. I'm going to leave on

1169
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,239
a high note. So I go walking out the door

1170
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,960
with all fifty five people and this girl, she looks

1171
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,079
to be about ten or twelve years old. She comes

1172
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:54,800
over to me and she puts her hand on my

1173
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,280
arm and she said, can I tell you something? And

1174
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,559
I said, sure, sweetie, I'm you know, thinking she's going

1175
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:02,280
to tell me she's freaked out and she wants to

1176
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leave with her mom. You know, she's seen enough. She said,

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01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,320
I just want to let you know that there was

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,320
an old man standing over in a corner when you

1179
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,840
were talking, and he was smiling ear to ear and

1180
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,840
as you were speaking, he was nodding his head. She said,

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01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,559
I can see ghosts. And she just walked away from me,

1182
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:24,199
and I went, holy crap. It's such a high note

1183
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:26,519
to start the walking tour on. Nothing else happened the

1184
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:29,280
rest of the night, you know, of course not, but

1185
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,239
oh man, I'll tell you what. I can't wait to

1186
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:35,440
get back in that building again if you let you in.

1187
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,039
Of course, Yeah, I know, he was. He's like, what

1188
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,800
are you doing? And I'm like, are these old lights? What?

1189
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:44,159
He goes, No, everything's been brought up to code. This

1190
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:47,000
is all new. Everything's new. I said, did they blink

1191
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:51,519
like that? He goes, never, Never, so blake. Thank you,

1192
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:52,440
mister Fennerfrock.

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01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,679
Speaker 1: So now you're I think I saw a post on

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01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:01,400
Facebook where your tours are kind of are winding down

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01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:01,880
for the year.

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01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, just finished up. November the ninth, we did an

1197
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:11,559
overnight at the West Virginia Penitentiary in Moundsville, and I

1198
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,559
had fifty people with me for that overnight hunt. And

1199
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,400
when I rent those buildings out, we start about ten

1200
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,760
o'clock at night and we go till about four o'clock

1201
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,760
in the morning, and it seemed to be pretty active.

1202
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,519
The most active area was the chapel, which is no

1203
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:29,039
surprise to me. It was a surprising to a lot

1204
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,599
of other people. You know, They're like, how can a

1205
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:32,880
church have energy?

1206
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh?

1207
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:39,519
Speaker 5: Of course. So yeah, So I'm actually done for the year.

1208
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:43,480
I have a couple of local TV spots I'll be

1209
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:47,679
doing in December, and then don't I don't start back

1210
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:52,400
up until February. I'm doing a program in Ohio on UFOs.

1211
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:55,800
Oh okay, so that's going to be fun. So you

1212
01:06:56,159 --> 01:06:59,760
cover everything I do I do. You know, when I

1213
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,360
did the Haunted Las Vegas and Area fifty one tour

1214
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:05,800
that we do out in Nevada, we put a bunch

1215
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,920
of people on a bus, usually about fifty people, and

1216
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,880
we traveled about four hundred miles around the entire perimeter

1217
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,960
of Area fifty one. And you know, we gamble a

1218
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,239
little bit, and we're in casinos and we stayed a

1219
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,239
couple of Haunted hotels along the way and we're out

1220
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,519
in those old gold and silver mining towns and so yeah.

1221
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:28,920
So I've explored the perimeter of Avery fifty one and

1222
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,280
talked to witnesses and it's so fascinating all of it.

1223
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:36,079
Speaker 1: And tell us about your books.

1224
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 5: Well, I've got, uh, what do I have? Thirteen fourteen

1225
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,679
books out now? I've got four that I'll hopefully be

1226
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:46,519
getting published here within the next few months. The first

1227
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:48,639
book that I did was on the county that I

1228
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:52,159
lived in. It was by the History Press which is

1229
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:56,519
now Arcadia. It's called Haunted Stark County, Ohio. And then

1230
01:07:56,599 --> 01:07:59,519
my second book was the Haunted History of the Ohio

1231
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:02,280
State Refs Formatory. And then I had to do one

1232
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,599
on the Haunted History of the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum.

1233
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,800
I've done the ghost Hunter's Guide to the West Virginia Penitentiary,

1234
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,800
and then I have books on on folklore in West

1235
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,720
Virginia and hopefully be getting this this Haunted Ireland book done,

1236
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:21,560
and the book on Dowscene as well here pretty soon.

1237
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,399
Speaker 1: Very good. And uh, and how can people find you?

1238
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,319
Speaker 5: Well, they can find me at my website which is

1239
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,920
www dot Haunted history dot net.

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01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: Excellent well, Sherry, we're going to have you back. This

1241
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,319
has been I knew it was going to be fun,

1242
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,199
but this has been really fun.

1243
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,520
Speaker 5: Thank you guys and Susie and Andy. It was great

1244
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,920
talk to you. I love I loved hearing your stories

1245
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:50,640
as well.

1246
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 3: I'll be looking forward to your dowsing book first and

1247
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:54,640
tips for.

1248
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 5: Me absolutely, Oh yeah, yeah, I love it. It's a passion.

1249
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,399
I mean, I have rods every room in this house.

1250
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,399
Speaker 1: They're everywhere, and I'll.

1251
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: Be looking forward to you going to do a tour

1252
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:06,960
in England somewhere.

1253
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 5: I love to partner up with you. I would love to.

1254
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,279
Speaker 2: Down here in the West Country. There's plenty of things

1255
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,000
here in the West Country to visit. You know, it's

1256
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,880
like Glastonbury Stone, He's not that far away. It's all

1257
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:24,479
around here, Corn Devon and Tangial boss Cast, the Witchcraft Museum,

1258
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,479
it's all down here, you know.

1259
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 5: I know, I got Lancashire. What is that Lancashire Witches.

1260
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:33,279
Speaker 2: Oh that's up there, That's that's up normal. I know

1261
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:35,640
it doesn't seem very far from you American people, but

1262
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,880
that's a long way for us English people. The country.

1263
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:42,119
I mean, you can drive to Lancashire and you're like

1264
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:44,079
across the whole country. You could drive the same distance

1265
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:45,600
in the State of Americans still be in the same state.

1266
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,399
So you know, there is a different scale of things here.

1267
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,079
But we've got a lot of stuff here, and that's

1268
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:52,079
kind of crammed into small space. We've got a lot

1269
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:52,399
of stuff.

1270
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: Very good, Thank you. Well, let me do again, Thank you, Sheryan.

1271
01:09:58,039 --> 01:10:01,119
Let me do my clothes out here. The High Strangers

1272
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:04,000
Factor was created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and

1273
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:09,840
as copyrighted by the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Can't read

1274
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,239
my que cards, I wrote him in pencil, so I'm

1275
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:16,680
stumbling here. I want to thank our fearless leaders, Irene Allen, Block,

1276
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,800
Mark Johnson and Andy Mercer. Andy as as producer and

1277
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,920
he also composed the ending theme for the show. Bryan Zeller,

1278
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,000
who composed the opening theme. You can also hear, actually

1279
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,239
you can hear all three of us occasionally on mc

1280
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:39,000
maloney's Military ex Files on this same network. And to

1281
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:42,760
close out, I am Steve Ward, your humble host here

1282
01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:47,399
on The High Strangers Factor, a displaced Michigander deep in

1283
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,920
the Ohio Valley, living on the same road that the

1284
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,840
Mothman chased those two couples back on November fifteenth, nineteen

1285
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,479
sixty six. Thank you all for listening, and we will

1286
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,680
see you all again in about a fortnight unless I

1287
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,359
drag my heels again, but we will see you soon.

1288
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:06,960
Thank you all for listening.

1289
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:39,760
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